101. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:06 PM PT
Doogie;
I sleep with a quilt and my spouse. And I still can whip you at hoops.
102. incognito - April 15, 1999 - 1:06 PM PT
coolest = fidelity
103. marjoribanks - April 15, 1999 - 1:07 PM PT
The above cross-post proves that Philistine and I are equally cool.
104. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:07 PM PT
vK;
True enough. Isn't that sort of single-minded determination cool? He did it the hard way and with the risk of the men in the boat tossing him overboard.
105. vonKreedon - April 15, 1999 - 1:09 PM PT
Jade - No, fanaticism is definitely uncool.
106. Philistine - April 15, 1999 - 1:09 PM PT
Yes we are, Marj.
I of course, have a slight edge, living in Austin TX, rather than the lame-o town of NY NY.
107. Jenerator - April 15, 1999 - 1:11 PM PT
Marj doesn't think I'm cool. I'm going to kill myself.
Btw, any male who names himself "Marjori", isn't cool.
108. incognito - April 15, 1999 - 1:12 PM PT
I thought that usually it was the parents that named their children?
109. marjoribanks - April 15, 1999 - 1:13 PM PT
The name is marjoribanks, cool people know where it comes from.
Jenerator, please answer my questions in the uncool Religion thread.
110. FreetoChoose - April 15, 1999 - 1:14 PM PT
Diva
”I *like* polkas.”
So do I. But, like my fondness for “A Lion in Winter”, tequila, and steel bands, it more relates to a certain, a certain place and a certain companion, than to an intrinsic affinity.
111. FreetoChoose - April 15, 1999 - 1:15 PM PT
doogie
I'll challenge you to ping-pong, after tequila and orange juice.
112. Raskolnikov - April 15, 1999 - 1:16 PM PT
Marjori:"Similarly, dancing is cool but the polka? And cartoons are cool, but the WB?"
I dance swing, tango, fox trot, samba, rhumba, cha cha, a little salsa, waltz, two step AND polka. The last one is the only one which gets sneers, but it is a hell of a lot of fun, even if the music is awful.
And if you sneer at the WB's cartoons, but admit to being a cartoon lover, I will assert that you have never watched them. The Warner's animation division (for TV anyway, their movies supposedly suck) is by far the best it has been since the Chuck Jones era.
113. Raskolnikov - April 15, 1999 - 1:17 PM PT
Of course, the essence of being cool is appearing not to give a damn about anything. So by defending my preferences, instead of saying:
"You don't think they are cool? figures."
I have blown my coolness quotient.
114. Jenerator - April 15, 1999 - 1:18 PM PT
The "cool" guys in Dallas like to ask women if they're wearing Versace. Other cool people (male and female alike) drink martini's and smoke cigars. But my favorite thing "cool" people do is buy Nagel art books and talk about Paris couture.
115. incognito - April 15, 1999 - 1:19 PM PT
You can talk all you want to about Nagel books but a pregnant woman dunking a basketball is waaaaaaaay cooler!
116. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:19 PM PT
Nothing cool about Dallas, Jen. Sorry.
117. vonKreedon - April 15, 1999 - 1:19 PM PT
Nagel!!?!! Cigars!!?! Yerch! Cool ain't what it used to be.
Nostalgia is cool; young kids today don't know what nostalgia is, why in my day...
118. BobaFett - April 15, 1999 - 1:20 PM PT
Rask:
Who cares?
119. incognito - April 15, 1999 - 1:21 PM PT
Sitting around talking about Paris couture? A mispelling?
What is that?
I guess I'm not cool.
I don't think I want to be though.
120. marjoribanks - April 15, 1999 - 1:22 PM PT
Rask, no, that was a cool answer. You're redeemed if you start listening to some of the better rap.
121. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:22 PM PT
vK;
Nostalgic style is cool. This cigar thing is pretty silly, though.
122. Jenerator - April 15, 1999 - 1:22 PM PT
Jade,
The prices in Dallas are 100% cooler than D.C.'s. Guaranteed.
123. Philistine - April 15, 1999 - 1:22 PM PT
Whereas cool guys in Austin do any damn thing they want, and cool girls do the same.
See, freedom and independent thought are cool. Sniffing the butts of trendoids is the epitome of uncool.
124. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:23 PM PT
Incog;
No worries. If you're discussing anything in Dallas, you're not cool.
125. Jenerator - April 15, 1999 - 1:23 PM PT
Um, I thought for sure that you'd all understand that my post about "cool" guys, etc. (in Dallas) was meant to be somewhat sarcastic?
126. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:24 PM PT
Jen;
We're talking about 'prices?'
Uncool.
127. vonKreedon - April 15, 1999 - 1:25 PM PT
Jen - Oh, ok, that's cool.
128. marjoribanks - April 15, 1999 - 1:25 PM PT
Jenerator, not answering simple questions (see the religion thread) is extremely uncool.
129. Philistine - April 15, 1999 - 1:26 PM PT
Austin is so cool we elected a street corner flower salesman with the unlikely name of Max Nofziger to the city council. Sure, he was a bozo, but politicians are clowns anyway, and at least Max could juggle.
130. Jenerator - April 15, 1999 - 1:27 PM PT
Marjori and Jade don't think I'm cool, now I'm really gonna end it.
But I do think that being tall is cool.
131. marjoribanks - April 15, 1999 - 1:27 PM PT
" Sniffing the butts of trendoids is the epitome of uncool" is an extremely cool way to put it.
132. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:28 PM PT
Austin is cool.
133. Jenerator - April 15, 1999 - 1:28 PM PT
Marjori,
Pestering me, or trying to trap me so that you can (again) insult me, isn't cool.
134. JadeGold - April 15, 1999 - 1:29 PM PT
Jen;
Indeed. Being tall is very, very cool.
135. incognito - April 15, 1999 - 1:29 PM PT
How do we get from talking about being cool to slowly slipping to being cruel?
Yes, being tall is way cool too. Unless you are in Japan.
136. incognito - April 15, 1999 - 1:30 PM PT
Although I've known some tall people that aren't cool at all. Tallness, then, in and of itself, is not cool.
137. Jenerator - April 15, 1999 - 1:31 PM PT
Being is cool.
138. davidtudor - April 15, 1999 - 1:31 PM PT
Cool of course is a moveable feast. Here today, gone tomorrow, usually back again in a few years or decades. One of the few constants is that wearing ANYTHING with a label or logo that is visible is definitely not cool. Even the LaCoste alligator these days. Polo? hahahahaha
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We've been discussing "cool", which is somewhat different from "cultural snobbism". While everyone has their own standards of what is cool and what is not, I think there are arguably two different groups of people that define the "cultural elite" here in the US, at least. Their standards are completely different
And I wrote up their profiles in Frayerphernalia, since both groups are found here in the Fray: the Esoteric Eclectics and the Pop-erati.
Kurt, Philistine, and marjoribanks are the primary representatives of the first group; Rask, Niner, and I are the primary reps in the other. Cellar is the only one who truly floats between the two, although he leans more to the Pop side--and he's a primary rep of both.
I wrote these profiles before Boba showed up, but so far he is sui generis--a defiant lowbrow who Knows Whereof He Speaks. Unusual combo. Pseudo described him beautifully a while ago, and I wish I could remember it. If he doesn't remember, I'll have to look it up. Bobas are rare, though, IRL. But if you consider that the "mainstream" is primarily lowbrow, it is fair to say that Boba is a good hallmark.
Mocking Esoterics has been an art form of its own for many years (Funny Face springs to mind).
Mocking the Pop-erati is more difficult, if only because our range is wider. I think Pseudo has tagged our fatal flaw nicely--when we aren't paying attention, we might fawn excessively over the "middlebrow". The "important" film. PBS specials. Insisting on the one and only true James Bond. And so on. (in fact, there is a post of Rask's in Movies that I submit as Exhibit #1 in How a Pop-erati can go wrong.)
Mocking Boba we just do because it is fun.
According to Boba we mock him because we don't understand him.
davidtudor
i was just thinking that yesterday. I passed by an antique auction house on the upper east side and saw a deeply tanned, man in his fifties doing the whole Lauren look--logos everywhere, and thought god, how early nineties.
Talk about uncool. Obsessive compilation, and needless scoring over of past posts on the ephemeral Internet is decidedly uncool. So is the aggressive and meaningless classifications of personas in the Fray.
Talking about rice and daal for days on end, isn't too cool either.
Being and Nothingness is cool
Cal: (sticking with the cool attitude) be careful, or I will have to kick your ass in two threads.
I'm an "esoteric eclectic?" Yeah, whatever. What I am is a Philistine, duh! I love and value the art forms that most people find idiotic or contemptible; f'rinstance free jazz, hiphop, comic books, cartoon shows, etc. Give me the strange and unpredictable, the exotic and novel. I'll try anything once, but most things are so alike I don't need to try 'em again; this is called "being dull."
And no, I didn't click the link - you get no hits from me.
Of course, I'm slipping. I found myslef enjoying opera earlier this week.
nothing wrong with opera
From my site:
"You know the sort. They bemoan the day that Rotted Heads and Virgins went mainstream, mention the newest techniques of the underground anime art world, or discuss polysyllabic Yugoslavian directors' oeuvres with an insider's delight, giggling at the scandal caused when it became brutally clear that Ludonoz Gauslzit's "Kamibsitica" was a scathing rebuttal to Choksontsiv's "Trapsophicia", attacking the latter's talent, message, and lovemaking. Their posts in Movies/Television and Arts are gloriously indecipherable. "
Philistine says:
"I love and value the art forms that most people find idiotic or contemptible; f'rinstance free jazz, hiphop, comic books, cartoon shows, etc. Give me the strange and unpredictable, the exotic and novel. I'll try anything once, but most things are so alike I don't need to try 'em again; this is called 'being dull.'"
No, I can't think why I thought Phil was a Esoteric.
I mean, apart from the fact that his paragraph defines "esoteric". And "eclectic".
Can't think why at all.
Philistine,
Do you like super baggy pants?
Never heard 'em, Jen. What kind of music do they play?
"Turn ons: long walks in the rain, my chocolate Lab Max, my CD collection, and a man who is truly gallant."
Hey, I can do "gallant!"
Sort of.
Sometimes.
Oh, never mind.
Esoteric means obscure. Just yesterday I said the greatest singles of the 80's were by Public Enemy and Prince.
That's esoteric, all right.
CalGal,
You are simply wrong, and in some ways out of line. But you don't get that and I will not waste any energy explaining it to you. You are uncool.
Some things bear repeating and in their original form. To wit:
"Talk about uncool. Obsessive compilation, and needless scoring over of past posts on the ephemeral Internet is decidedly uncool. So is the aggressive and meaningless classifications of personas in the Fray."
Oh, I don't mind, Marj, I don't expect the norms to get it.
But you're right, it isn't worth the effort to argue about it.
Hmmmmm....
Apparently, I am not only uncool,
I am invisible.
As usual.
Damn typos. That should be simply "classification."
Phil,
Why on earth are you insulted? Other than that I mentioned your name, of course.
I didn't say that esoterics must shun mainstream. But by your own words, you seek out the obscure, the novel, and the strange. That which most people find "idiotic" and "contemptible". I don't think it's a big leap from that to "esoteric".
You really should have read the site before you wrote your post, you know. (I don't track hits at all; this site isn't listed anywhere.)
walks along the river in the cool of the evening is cool
I have always thought Cal should have a category of "people who hate to be categorized".
Marjori,
Good heavens. If I am wrong about *you*, fine. But I doubt you could say I was wrong about the type. As I said, the "type" has been skewered and mocked for years. In addition, they define the bleeding edge of cultural acceptance.
In other words, it wasn't intended as an insult.
I thought this was going to be a discussion of Dwight MacDonald's concept of "midcult" and whether or not it was still applicable. Instead this thread is a variation on "Cafe Majanlahti" in the "Private Life" section of "Table Talk."
Only less gay.
Rask,
It's already written.
But I get so much mileage out of the other stuff that I'm holding it back for a dull moment.
Braces are cool.
" As I said, the "type" has been skewered and mocked for years. In addition, they define the bleeding edge of cultural acceptance. "
Besides the fact I didn't know I was a "type" of contributor to the Fray, I have no idea what the hell your lines above mean.
Marj,
Lighten up. CalGal's link isn't an insult at all!
Christi, being invisible is very cool.
Okay, seeing as the topic of the thread is "Cultural Snobbery" and I mentioned opera a bit back, I may as well clarify.
I'm taking (as a part of my BFA) a class in the history of Western Classical music. I've linked to a discussion of this course in TT in the Music Lit and Arts thread. This Monday, I saw and paid close attention to excerpts of late romantic operas for the first time, most relevantly, the end of Act 1 of La Traviata. I found it unexpectedly beautiful and moving; I had always had this idea of opera as just italians bellowing at each other, then dying. But I actually felt for the characters of Violetta and Alfredo, and didn't want to smack 'em and say "snap out of it!" at all.
I had always subscribed to the outseiders stereotypical view of opera; upper-class low-brow entertainment relying on bizarre spectacle and gossip to keep the audience awake. In that respect, opera pretty much defines cultural snobbery; it's like a soap, um, opera that excludes everyone but the rich.
And yet, I, a self proclaimed Philistine now find something to like in it. What's going on here? Just to throw a further wrench in things, I type this as "Batman Adventures" is ruling my tube.
Marj,
I wasn't talking about the Fray, except in that certain people were representative of one or the other groups. I said, " While everyone has their own standards of what is cool and what is not, I think there are arguably two different groups of people that define the "cultural elite" here in the US, at least. "
And if you really don't know what "bleeding edge" means, whether speaking artistically or culturally, then I'm not the person to tell you. Ask someone whose posts you will actually read before you squawk and jump up and down.
webfoot - the fascinating thing to me about people wearing clothes etc. with labels showing is that it all started with certain elements of the upper classes - the Chanel logo, the Pucci name on their scarves (as if one couldn't already identify both "brands" quite readily), and so on. This need to show one's position or to have one's taste validated in such obvious ways - I guess I can see it for certain types who have aspirations to be "like the rich folks", but from the rich folks themselves?.
Ralph Lauren certainly was a shrewdie. He saw what was going on in certain upper $$ circles and modified it so well that he got middle America hooked on a concept (actually about five different variations on a theme these days), thats so idealized and patently fake that it is amazing that it wasn't just repulsive to most people. Even the quality of a lot of what he puts out isn't so hot.
Ah well, a name is a name is a name.
Batman: The Animated Series is extremely cool.
Philistine, you actually enjoyed opera? Cool. I still can't stand to listen to more than a few minutes of it, although the Wagner "ring" operas with the horned-helmeted valkeries are fun.
Philistine,
The answer is obvious. You are not a philistine, though your championing of their cause is admirable. I am particularly impressed by your diligence in approaching Carnatic music. Very cool.
Phil
You're tops in my book, regardless of what, who or if, you are.
Cllr
Well, I actually started this discussion by commenting on who would, or would not admit their cultural elitism. 109, as usual, polluted the thread by veering off my idea of cultural snobbery as being synonymous with defining cool/uncool, which is, I think, parochial.
To be fair, however (occasionally, I aspire), I didn't bother to differentiate my perspective, and got sucked into a wordfest with him. In addition, others had been referring to cool/uncool prior to my posts, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
For clarity, though, I do not consider cultural snobbery/elitism, the same as defining what is or is not cool. Rather, I see it as linked to individual tastes and preferences, the impact of vulgar popular consumerism, and incompatability of life experiences. As such, it's a bit more complex and interesting, wouldn't you say?
MsIvoryTower - but cool/uncool can both override as well as complement the elements you are defining as cultural snobbism. To me, the ultimate in cool is to know that you are "into something" - be it some individual taste or reaction to popular consumerism (to use your, umm, somewhat heavy, phrase) and to not give a damn whether anyone else either knows what you are into or would understand/appreciate it if they did.
Possibly, DTutor
But, personally, I don't like to delineate what *is* cool or not, to me this is totally subjective, and really irrelevant to the issue.
However, I do consider myself an elitist, if only because I have very clear ideas about what *I* will or will not do, buy, or pursue.
Marj -
Carnatic music! I nearly forgot. In about a month, I'll be in Houston again for a North-South jugalbandi featuring L. Subramaniam and Vishwa Mohan Bhatt. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Irresistable Dr. do his thing in person. The fact that I'll get a _good_ clasical Indian guitarist in the bargain makes it almost too much to ask for. And I didn't even have to ask!
Azure -
Well, according to the prof, Wagner isn't actually opera, it's "musical drama" on account of he wrote in German, wrote really long works, used mythological instead of contemporary subject matter, etc. We also listened to a tiny bit of "Tristan und Isolde" which I didn't like nearly so much, although I admired the way the tension just built and built and built, without any of the harmony resolving.
Tudor -
Exactly. I don't really give a damn about what's cool or not, just what pleases me. As I said before, I think that's what makes cool. That's how those who love Lawrence Welk and runny-eyed clown paintings can be cool in my book, even though I don't think much of either.
Philistine, it's interesting that Wagner is disqualified as opera for being in German and for its non-contemporary subject matter. I thought there were operas in French about legendary gypsies and jousting with windmills and such stuff.
"I don't really give a damn about what's cool or
not, just what pleases me."
That defines cool in my book too!
Wagner not opera? I love Wagner.
Az, DT,
It didn't really make sense to me, either, but that's okay. I just need to know what circle to darken on the scantron.
Oops, that should be:
Az, Incognito -
etc.
Watch it Philistine. The next step is Kammermusik.
Hashke-
I'll bite. What's Kammermuzik? I don't see it on the syllabus.
Chamber Music.
Phil, that concert sounds fantastic. Better than any jugalbandi I've heard in a few years. You're lucky.
May 14th, Marj. Plenty of time to plan a trip.
As for chamber music, I do like the string quartets for the most part. I thought that the quartet version of "The Trout", f'rinstance, redeemed the vocal version.
MsIt -
I actually kind-of understood the thrust of elitism to be " as linked to individual tastes and preferences, the impact of vulgar popular consumerism, and incompatability of life experiences..."
Which is why I posted in Message #29 about my impressions of elitist snobbery in the Fray and about my personal tastes to illustrate how I really don't understand elitist snobbery.
I have been sneered at a few times in my life by people who felt I "just didn't get it". I usually feel more puzzled than hurt, so I guess they're right - I *don't* get "it".
Anyway, Azure has assured me that being invisible is cool. How 'bout that, I've been 'cool' most of my life and never noticed. Shall I turn elitist and sneer at a few others now?
Sure, Christi. The freedom to faces at people while they are taking themselves seriously is one of the very best things about being invisible.
Christi
Well, that's up to you. Frankly, I don't see how anyone can't be elitist in some way or another, even the lowest of lowbrows are elitist about their tastes. Everyone has preferences.
There are some people who yearn to be trendsetters, however, and build their reputations by differentiating themselves from the common "others" (usually by ridicule). These people are with us always, I consider them superfluous, and usually just ignore them, but then that is MY elitism coming out.
What's cool in the Pacific Northwest where everything is always cool? The works of native Northwest artist Chuck Close (who paints with his lips because of a stroke). Plus the many pieces of very recent Eskimo art and finally, best of all, the creations of glassblower Dale Chihuly. A visit to his school in Pilchuck is a basic credential for being a member of the NW cultural elite. Right, Azure?
You know, I haven't been to Dale Chihuly's Pilchuck studio yet, ProfEmeritus, but I very much enjoy seeing his big, dramatic glassworks all over town. I also admire some of the many other lesser-known glass artists he is inspiring in the area.
There are so many cool things to see and do in the Pacific Northwest, it takes a long time to see and do them all.
math modeling is *very* cool.
AzureNW
Indeed, we could have a thread just on cool phenomena in the Pacific Northwest. I have traveled the world, and very few places can compete with the diversity, beauty and inspired artists of our native locale.
We should be careful, though, so as not to attract too many migrants.
Oh, and definitely the very coolest thing about the Northwest is that it rains *all* day, *every* day.
A nice cool drizzle is falling right now.
marjoribanks:
Thanks very much for the fado lead. I'll check into that.
I would say that anything built into the Benaroya is necessarily not cool - possibly perfectly pleasant, but neither bleeding-edge nor going to take the top of anyone's head off so she'll never feel warm again. The Benaroya has much of Seattle's original determined inoffensiveness, which makes it warm, not cool. (Good for a civic center, but not cool.)
Now, the benefit that auctioned off the right to destroy a Chihuly, that was probably cool. Possibly wrong, but cool.
Wow, so much to comment on.
First, you're all idiots.
Jade
You get no points for mocking where I live. *I* mock where I live more mercilessly than you ever could.
Jade/Ms
Yes, I too was of the "rather be dead than minivan" group. And then Fang came. And I bought a stupidass minivan. And it's great. But dorky, I admit. But since *I* drive it, it is, by definition, cool.
(I *did* keep my 72 MG Midget ragtop, though.)
Philistine
Please remind me to link you to my brother's new websight. As you may know, he's a freejazz musician and critic.
Webfeet
My email got bounced back. My bad, I'll send again.
BUT! Being unclean is not cool. The dirty-hair look is easy to achieve but rather specific - being stinky is still not REALLY cool, unlike in the '60's.
Do NONE of you oldtimers remember the minor meltdown in re to BullE? It was about SNOBBISHism, and yes, *I*, *I* was deemed altogether too snobby by none other than my beloved, dearly departed Labarjare.
I cop to it, though.
Ad -
I knew that, but it got misfiled somehow! Um, probably pharmaceutically, to be honest (I mentioned drug abuse is cool, right?) I know you have my current email address, 'cause I saw the bunny pictures this morning. So consider this your reminder, I'm always on the lookout for freejazz links. Like this one.
P.S. I miss Lab, too. In fact, my opera admission was calculated in part to bring him out of lurking (I don't know that he's lurking, btw, I merely hope.) Anyway, remind me about your brother.
The northwest is cool primarily in terms of the weather. Everyone knows central Texas is the Point Of Origin of cultural cool. Sorry Prof, Az. I'll cop to the coolness of glassblowing, though, despite the manifestly high temperatures required.
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