202. hashke - Nov. 10, 1998 - 12:46 PM PT
Home-groan neologism, perhaps subconciously derived from profemeretis' 'supply-cider':
soycide -- self-destruction through over-ingestion of tofu, as in 'She found him in the kitchen, slumped over a huge bowl of tofu. He had committed soycide'.
203. JebXXX - Nov. 10, 1998 - 12:50 PM PT
Hashke:
It bugs me.
204. hashke - Nov. 10, 1998 - 1:03 PM PT
Hahaha, good one Jeb! Gregor Samsa und 'Die Verwandlung'.
205. DanDillon - Nov. 10, 1998 - 1:07 PM PT
hashke,
Your home-groan neologisms, on the whole, are quite good.
206. hashke - Nov. 10, 1998 - 1:10 PM PT
Dan:
Thanks, amigo! Especially great coming from you!
207. philistine - Nov. 10, 1998 - 2:35 PM PT
About what portion of recent English neologisms are imports from foreign languages? From regional or ethnic dialects? Professional jargon gaining wider usage? Net-related?
How do these different types of neologisms differ in the way they are integrated into English? Are there any other distinctive traits that make them different from the rest of the language?
208. DanDillon - Nov. 10, 1998 - 3:03 PM PT
philistine,
You've raised a number of interesting issues, many of which would require nothing less than a doctoral dissertation to answer satisfactorily. Alas, perhaps we'll have to take your queries one at a time. Would you like to prioritize?
209. BobaFett - Nov. 10, 1998 - 3:08 PM PT
Anyone pissed off when people say "literally" when they plainly do not mean literally? ("Man, he hit this guy so hard it LITERALLY knocked his head off...")
Even worse: Tv reporters and such who use the word "ironically" indiscriminately, when it does not apply:
"Little Danny Kelaher was killed in the plane crash. IRONICALLY, he was flying to the coast to see his father for the first time."
This is NOT IRONIC. It is poignant, yes, tragic, yes, coincidental, yes, and a bunch of other words, but ironic it is not.
Reporters LOVE to say things are ironic when they're merely coincidental, odd, unexpected, or poingant.
210. marshame - Nov. 10, 1998 - 3:18 PM PT
Irv
"Try pronouncing some of these Albanian words: gjarpër (snake), zjarm (fire), mblidhet (gathers), and these place names: Rrogozninë, Gjirokastër, Ljbhazhd, and Gramsh."
Obviously, they're pronounced exactly as written! Duh, Irv! Just like Spanish, or Esperanto, for that matter.
Boba
If you are literally irked when some people ironically describe such nonsense, then I'm sure you also appreciate it when you hear about people meeting an untimely death. I always hate it when I hear about someone who was suddenly killed.
I'll be honest with you, I frankly hate it the most when people candidly tell me how they're telling me something.
211. JebXXX - Nov. 10, 1998 - 3:37 PM PT
Marshame:
Message #57
Ditto and more. Heard recently that the State Department will soon announce the sending of tons of vowels to Cechnya.
212. JebXXX - Nov. 10, 1998 - 3:42 PM PT
Sorry. To Marshame: Should have said Message #210
213. DanDillon - Nov. 10, 1998 - 4:26 PM PT
Boob Message #209,
I once heard the TV weatherman describe the forecast as "ironic." To this very day, I still wonder what he meant.
214. hashke - Nov. 10, 1998 - 4:43 PM PT
Chemical rain, Dan.
215. escarbro - Nov. 10, 1998 - 5:20 PM PT
Texas neologism: Grammstanding. (In honor of Phil Gramm, Sen., TX) Taking credit for programs which you opposed but later took credit for in front of the beneficiaries.
Or, the most dangerous place to be? Between a camera and Phil Gramm.
216. escarbro - Nov. 10, 1998 - 5:22 PM PT
When did "mainstream" become "mainline", originally a drug term?
217. escarbro - Nov. 10, 1998 - 5:23 PM PT
When did "ground floor" become "ground zero", to describe being in on the beginning of something?
218. ChristinO - Nov. 10, 1998 - 5:41 PM PT
I always thought "ground zero" was the end of everything within a 50 mile radius.
219. Philistine - Nov. 10, 1998 - 5:45 PM PT
I don't have any particular preference, Dan, just wanted to see if we could focus the thread a bit. Go ahead and start expounding on whatever you want. I'm just an interested amatuer who's been talking almost his whole life.
But I'll add to escarbro's (obligitory neologism to stay on topic) Texiana by repeating Molly Ivins' comment about the senior Senator - "He's got a face that's perfect for radio and a voice made for the printed page."
220. profemeritus - Nov. 10, 1998 - 5:50 PM PT
Great discussion here. I like this thread even though I have little to contribute because it sheds more light than heat. And no scatological language!
221. hashke - Nov. 10, 1998 - 6:16 PM PT
Only recent scatalogical Russian, profemeritus, but it was in the old thread and was expunged along with the thread.
222. AzureNW - Nov. 10, 1998 - 6:24 PM PT
*skat*
223. AzureNW - Nov. 10, 1998 - 6:24 PM PT
(It's like dragging a string in front of a cat. What does he expect me to do?)
224. profemeritus - Nov. 10, 1998 - 7:17 PM PT
Hashke
SCATOlogical, I think from the Greek skatos, excrement.
225. hashke - Nov. 10, 1998 - 8:27 PM PT
profemeritus:
Right-O! That was a typO!
And I notice that I mangled your name in an earlier posting today.
226. hashke - Nov. 10, 1998 - 8:53 PM PT
Interesting, though, that the vulgar Modern Greek word is 'scata', accented 'skatA'. A more benign term is 'perittoma'.
227. harr0004 - Nov. 10, 1998 - 11:43 PM PT
"When did "ground floor" become "ground zero", to describe being in on the beginning of something?"
I don't think they are interchangeable. "Ground floor" is the beginning of something but "Ground Zero" is where everyone will be destroyed when the shit hits the fan.
228. DanDillon - Nov. 11, 1998 - 5:29 AM PT
A word that left the language and one that I propose we reinstate:
discumb (vb.) 1. to recline after a meal at one's place.
(This is a very popular practice across the Arab world and fell victim to its charms myself.)
229. DanDillon - Nov. 11, 1998 - 5:30 AM PT
I fell victim...
230. JebXXX - Nov. 11, 1998 - 5:35 AM PT
DanDillon:
Are you joking? Can I point to my partner and merely say that word?
231. DanDillon - Nov. 11, 1998 - 5:55 AM PT
Jeb,
What? No I'm not joking.
232. tmachine - Nov. 11, 1998 - 6:53 AM PT
you mean…"discumbag?"
233. PsychProf - Nov. 11, 1998 - 7:53 AM PT
ASSMOSIS - The process by which some people seem to
absorb success and advancement by kissing up to the
boss.
BLAMESTORMING - Sitting around in a group discussing
why a deadline was missed or a project failed and who
was responsible.
SEAGULL MANAGER - A manager who flies in, makes a lot
of noise, shits over everything and then leaves.
SALMON DAY - The experience of spending an entire day
swimming upstream only to get screwed and die in the end.
CHAINSAW CONSULTANT - An outside expert brought in to
reduce the employee head count, leaving the brass with
clean hands.
CLM - Career Limiting Move - Used among microserfs to
describe ill-advised activity. Trashing your boss
while he or she is within earshot is serious CLM.
ADMINISPHERE - The rarefied organizational layers
beginning just above the rank and file. Decisions that
fall from the adminisphere are often profoundly
inappropriate or irrelevant to the problems they were
designed to solve.
DILBERTED - To be exploited and oppressed by your
boss. Derived from the experiences of Dilbert, the
geek-in-hell comic strip character. "I've been
dilberted again. The old man revised the specs for the
fourth time this week."
FLIGHT RISK - Used to describe employees who are
suspected of planning to leave the company or
department soon.
404 - Someone who's clueless. From the World Wide Web
error message "404 Not Found," meaning that the
requested document could not be located. "Don't bother
asking him . . . he's 404, man."
GENERICA - Features of the American landscape that are
exactly the same no matter where one is, such as fast
food joints, strip malls, subdivisions. Used as in
"We were so lost in generica that I forgot what city
we were in."
234. PsychProf - Nov. 11, 1998 - 7:54 AM PT
OHNOSECOND - That minuscule fraction of time in which
you realize that you've just made a BIG mistake.
PERCUSSIVE MAINTENANCE - The fine art of whacking the
crap out of an electronic device to get it to work
again.
UMFRIEND - A sexual relation of dubious standing or a
concealed intimate relationship, as in "This is Dyan,
my ... um ... friend."
235. Philistine - Nov. 11, 1998 - 7:57 AM PT
PP -
Those are some good'uns. I especially like assmosis, blamestorming, generica, and 404.
236. profemeritus - Nov. 11, 1998 - 7:57 AM PT
How about old words you haven't heard lately? Some that seem to have disappeared (or I may just be hard of hearing): fuddy-duddy, pinko, heavens to betsy, bust the bank, you betcha, ruptured duck.
I am sure that there are thousands that were part of ordinary conversations a generation ago.
237. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 8:07 AM PT
profemeritus and PsychProf:
There are some very good ones there? Are they home-groaners?
238. IrvingSnodgrass - Nov. 11, 1998 - 8:15 AM PT
ProfE:
Don't tell me you *miss* those words! Those were popular when you were still pushing over outhouses.
What's a "ruptured duck"?
239. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 8:36 AM PT
Btw, the first sentence in #237 is declarative---it's not a question!!!
240. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 8:39 AM PT
Irv:
You mean profE pushed over outhouses just like I did? Perhaps we were looking for some deeper meaning.
241. profemeritus - Nov. 11, 1998 - 8:46 AM PT
Irv
A ruptured duck was the discharge emblem a GI put on his sleeve to show he had served honorably and his military duties had ended.
242. PsychProf - Nov. 11, 1998 - 8:48 AM PT
For Chrissake...you don't know what a ruptured duck is!
243. profemeritus - Nov. 11, 1998 - 9:23 AM PT
Hashke
Yeah, it was about that era. Here are some oldies from my High School Annual: heinie haircut, haymaker, musclehead, dirty pool, hard time dance, get into the swing of, puddle jumper, truckin on down, wacko.
244. IrvingSnodgrass - Nov. 11, 1998 - 9:28 AM PT
Hashké:
I supposed you had to be careful where you stepped when tipping outhouses, or you might have found an unintended deeper meaning.
ProfE:
"Wacko" is still popular. The others, well...
245. PsychProf - Nov. 11, 1998 - 9:30 AM PT
The ruptured duck was a haymaker for some...
246. boohab - Nov. 11, 1998 - 9:33 AM PT
something like a fupped duck.
anyway a mojo is a talisman used to give its possessors charm, and good luck. physically it is a small cotton drawstring bag about the size of a box of tic tacs worn around the neck. inside are various magical elements like scented oils, feathers, rice, shells. what you put in your mojo is a matter of trial and error and/or family history. (but mostly trial and error). finally when you have a lucky day, you are said to have your mojo working.
a mojo is also known as a 'trick bag'. (as in poppa's got a brand new) and the effect of a mojo is extended metaphorically to a new skill or a new rap.
247. JebXXX - Nov. 11, 1998 - 9:53 AM PT
So much appreciate the info on mojo!
248. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 10:28 AM PT
Jeb:
You gave no thanks for 'Sturm und Drang', and you want 'mojo'?
249. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 10:32 AM PT
profE:
Yeah, I remember those, and apropos the outhouse stuff, bad breath was called 'outhouse mouth'. Mebbe still is.
250. JebXXX - Nov. 11, 1998 - 10:40 AM PT
hashke:
Because I like Jimmy Smith and Wes Montgomery, I was especially excited over mojo.
Because I love my teve, I want to thank you for Sturm and Drang in Lithuanian. (Actually, I need Ronski.) It sounds like utchoo.
251. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 10:41 AM PT
Irv:
Tipping those outhouses required stealth, wile, and good balance. A good tipper was known to 'have the outhouse touch'.
The two-seaters were the more difficult because of size; and they could twist on you and throw you off balance. But I never knew, in all of my wide experience, of a tipper who slipped into the mephitic chasm.
252. PsychProf - Nov. 11, 1998 - 10:46 AM PT
The ugliness encountered with outhousetipping...Tippergore
253. JebXXX - Nov. 11, 1998 - 10:49 AM PT
So, what is a ruptured duck? I picture a little old white thing with a truss.
254. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 10:50 AM PT
Jeb:
Gesundheit!
255. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 11:16 AM PT
Jeb:
Is Ronski a native speaker of Lithuanian? If so, I wonder if he would mind throwing in some of the idioms of that language.
What is 'teve', or do you mean 'tevel'?
256. hashke - Nov. 11, 1998 - 11:20 AM PT
PP:
That was very good! I thought that I had posted that to you earlier, but no see.
257. profemeritus - Nov. 11, 1998 - 12:50 PM PT
JebXXX
The reply I gave in 241 is the only meaning I am aware of; it was an actual patch with a flying duck on it - if I remember correctly.
258. haynes - Nov. 11, 1998 - 7:20 PM PT
Wrt pet peeves, the word *ridiculous* irks me when it is used for reasons other than to mock the foibles of man: e.g. "This weather is ridiculous".
(Come to think of it, though, we used to say that the Russians were controlling the weather :-) So perhaps a certain degree of anthropomorphism could be assigned to weather patterns...?)
No, I'm not convinced. I think I'll stand by my first statement.
259. alistairconnor - Nov. 12, 1998 - 1:03 AM PT
I was surprised, and perhaps just a little bit disappointed, when visiting America recently, to discover that in general, English gets less mangled and mistreated than I imagined. But I did hear a few gems. I adore the use of "momentarily", to mean "in a moment". Thus :
"Passengers on flight XX-123 are informed that their baggage will be appearing momentarily on carousel three."
Well obviously, it will be appearing momentarily. Then disappearing, if one is not quick; then reappearing, momentarily. And so on.
260. DanDillon - Nov. 12, 1998 - 5:09 AM PT
Not (really) wrt neologosity but wrt how meanings shift and change:
specialization--fulgurate
generalization--enthusiasm
pejoration--dunce
amelioration--jubilant
transfer--laser
metaphors of all types...
If a the meaning of a word changes on us, don't take it personally. We ought to take it all in stride, folks. It's the natural evolution of things.
And then, of course, there are the various *types* of meaning a word carries, and then there are the ways in which our wordstock expands and innovates, and so on and so on.
261. Ronski - Nov. 12, 1998 - 7:02 AM PT
Sorry, I'm not a native speaker of Lithuanian, but I have a friend who is, and was going to post a thing or two about said tongue (and Lett), after consulting with him. Stay tuned.
"Lithuanians and Letts do it......."
262. IrvingSnodgrass - Nov. 12, 1998 - 8:52 AM PT
Cross-pollination from the Native American thread, where Ronski and I were getting a bit far afield (and *why* do we say "cross-pollination" and not cross-pollenation," anyway?):
222. Ronski - Nov. 12, 1998 - 8:06 AM PT
Irv,
I have heard of Ruhlen's thesis, but have not read it or much about it. I know that linguists have looked for some link between Basque and the Caucasian languages, figuring that they, and possibly Etruscan and a few extinct others, constituted the original European family of languages, with the Indo-European tongues displacing them (aided by several representatives of Finno-Ugric).
One thing I have always found interesting is that until some time in the last century, a dialect of Ossetian, the Indo-Iranian language, was spoken in a small region of Hungary. Hungarians themselves being from Asia, and gypsies, speaking an Indian language, being plentiful in the area, it isn't all that surprising to have found Ossetians there. But it makes me wonder how many other languages had far-flung outposts in Europe, and elsewhere, that perhaps we don't have any record of. Think of how German, Chinese, Malay, Yiddish, Ladino, Greek, and so many others had or still have plantings far from the source. Perhaps you could comment in the Language Thread.
-----
Wow, I love this stuff. I'll answer in a bit, Ronski.
263. thomasd - Nov. 12, 1998 - 9:41 AM PT
How about aardvark to zymurgy? Just wondering. Haven't read anything in this thread yet except the title:)
264. IrvingSnodgrass - Nov. 12, 1998 - 10:00 AM PT
thomas:
"Aardvark" and "zymurgy" aren't new words. We're (ostensibly) discussing recent additions to the English language.
265. RustlerPike - Nov. 12, 1998 - 12:47 PM PT
If I was CharlieL, I'd say that I don't see why Bella Abbzup has to be dragged into this.
266. DanDillon - Nov. 12, 1998 - 1:57 PM PT
RP,
Doncha mean "If I *were* CharlieL..."?
hehe
267. philistine - Nov. 12, 1998 - 2:18 PM PT
Interesting, I think about all the numbers that are becoming used as words. Psychprof mentioned 404 (clueless) and I think we already dealt with 24/7 (all the time) and 411 (information, news.) Some hip-hop slang that's been gaining usage is 187 (murder, from a police radio code) and 5-0 (police, pronounced 'five-oh' like the Hawaii cop show.) Also star sixty nine (I'm coming back, from the call return feature.)
I imagine there are lots more that I can't think of right now, possibly with their origins in technical fields. Volunteers?
268. DanDillon - Nov. 12, 1998 - 2:26 PM PT
philistine,
Books have been written on this very subject (numbers and/or digits as numeric and semantic units), and it's always fun to talk about.
10-4
double zero
1 for the money, 2 for the show, 3 to get ready, 4 to go
sweet 16
2 x 4
-30- (used in journalism for "end")
O, there are many!
269. philistine - Nov. 12, 1998 - 2:30 PM PT
Well, I really meant new ones. I'm trying to stay on subject. But I'm 86ing any of your examples.
270. profemeritus - Nov. 12, 1998 - 3:18 PM PT
Some new number related words:
quad bike
triple whammy
triple supertwist
quantum chaos (theory)
and some old ones:
deep-sixed
4 square
10-4
1 upmanship
8 ball
and a number that has become a word: 911
271. hashke - Nov. 12, 1998 - 3:54 PM PT
Ronski:
Thanks! I would love to see some Lithuanian. They seem to always Lett well enough alone. I am told that many of them are Baltic under those fur hats, losing hair to constant darkness and captivity.
272. Philistine - Nov. 12, 1998 - 4:25 PM PT
not 86ing, NOT.
as you knew.
273. ChristinO - Nov. 12, 1998 - 4:40 PM PT
68: meaning one has been chiseled or gypped
Didn't VanHalen have an album called "5150" which is police code for a suspect needing psychiatric assistence?
274. JebXXX - Nov. 12, 1998 - 4:41 PM PT
You want to see some Lithuanian, Ronski? Look no further. There's been a dybbuk in my computer for thirty-six hours; I just hibernated. Or do I mean estivated?
Anyway, oy yoy yoy.
275. Philistine - Nov. 12, 1998 - 4:54 PM PT
68 as in "you do me and I'll owe you one?"
Lewd and numerical! Keen.
276. ChristinO - Nov. 12, 1998 - 5:41 PM PT
Phil,
That's it exactly.
277. bsnyder100 - Nov. 12, 1998 - 6:37 PM PT
Police code seems to be a rich source of these numerical words. One that is popular with my adolescent students is 4:20, which one student told me means possesion of marijuana.
278. bsnyder100 - Nov. 12, 1998 - 6:39 PM PT
(Or possession)
279. hashke - Nov. 12, 1998 - 7:03 PM PT
Jeb:
Pass dybbuk to Ronski.
280. JebXXX - Nov. 12, 1998 - 7:11 PM PT
Hash:
Where is he? Want to know whether his Lith friend fits I.B. Singer's observation that all Lithuanians are ascetics.
281. JebXXX - Nov. 12, 1998 - 7:27 PM PT
Hash: Teve means father. Ronski: Please ask your Lithuanian friend if it's true that there are no pronouns in the Lithuanian language. Matter of fact, get him on here, will you?
282. usr111 - Nov. 12, 1998 - 8:53 PM PT
These few words may forever mark me as mercenary, but I'd like to know if they are new or just new to me. The words are:
Billable
Consultancy
Upgrade
Outsource
Backscan
283. IrvingSnodgrass - Nov. 12, 1998 - 10:29 PM PT
Ronski (wrt the message I quoted in Message #262):
You should check out Ruhlen's book... it's fascinating, and very readable. Most of it is very convincing, but at the upper reaches of his connections, when he goes waaay back in time, he stretches a bit.
The most convincing part is how the genetic evidence backs up the linguistic evidence so perfectly.
There are few remains of the original tongues of Europe. Apart from the Basques, they have all been relegated to history, by successive waves of Indo-Europeans (and, as you indicate, some anomalies in those waves, such as the Ossetians and the Gypsies/Romany), followed by a few Finno-Ugric and even Altaic intruders.
The relation of language and history has always been one of my favorite topics.
284. RustlerPike - Nov. 13, 1998 - 12:19 AM PT
There is a petition in the "Technical Issues" thread to keep "Israel and Palestine" going for a little while longer. All those interested in signing, just post "I hereby sign petition #1" in the "Technical Issues" thread.
285. RustlerPike - Nov. 13, 1998 - 12:21 AM PT
I think 911 is a very bad emergency number, because it is easily confused with 991. I wonder how many people have dialed 991 when they were in an emergency.
286. JebXXX - Nov. 13, 1998 - 2:26 AM PT
Rustler,
Now that you've placed it in my head, I fear at least one will!
287. RustlerPike - Nov. 13, 1998 - 2:39 AM PT
Jeb:
[#|:-)#
(Hasidic emoticon)
288. JebXXX - Nov. 13, 1998 - 2:49 AM PT
Rustler:
I thought it was the snowman I'd be building when, clutching my chest, I dialed 991 on the portable.
289. RustlerPike - Nov. 13, 1998 - 6:38 AM PT
Jeb:
God forbid! Khamsa khamsa khamsa! Tfu tfu tfu! Melakh mayim melakh mayim! Touch wood!!! lol!
290. marjoribanks - Nov. 13, 1998 - 7:11 AM PT
I've never heard 4:20 (as meaning possession of marijuana).
However, 420 or char soh bis is a common Hindi phrase meaning (roughly) idiot. I think it comes from some civil statute regarding mental health.
291. hashke - Nov. 13, 1998 - 7:54 AM PT
Rustler:
What is the deeper meaning of 'melakh mayim'---beyond salt+water, that is. Interesting correlation between the two words and Arabic 'milH mayya'.
Bli `ayin hara`!
292. hashke - Nov. 13, 1998 - 8:01 AM PT
marjoribanks:
There is an Arabic expression 'Sifr `a sh-shimaal'---'a zero on the left' which means 'a person of no account, a dumb-dumb'.
293. tmachine - Nov. 13, 1998 - 8:01 AM PT
the emergency number in England is 999. It always seemed much easier to me than 911.
I believe that 411 is now a word meaning "information." In fact there is a whole collection of number-words that has evolved from beeper use, since it's possible to send messages and ask questions that way--it's a very in thing among kids who own beepers. I can't remember any more of them though
294. hashke - Nov. 13, 1998 - 8:14 AM PT
Jeb:
In what language is your word 'teve'?
295. RustlerPike - Nov. 13, 1998 - 8:48 AM PT
hashman:
I'm sure *melakh-mayim* is directly from the Arabic, and was brought here by the North African Jews. It's something people say to ward off the evil eye - I think maybe you're supposed to throw salt backwards over your shoulder, too. Possibly you sprinkle water as well?
So there is no deeper meaning. Just H2O NaCl...
*Tfu tfu tfu* is a triple-spit-type thing that people do, just like knocking on wood. And khamsa I'm sure you're familiar with.
296. philistine - Nov. 13, 1998 - 9:43 AM PT
I've heard 4:20 meaning "lets get high" but I always associated it with the time one arrives home from school or work.
297. hashke - Nov. 13, 1998 - 9:44 AM PT
Pikeman:
Todah, khaver!
So for total protection you might say 'khamsakhamsamelakhmayimmelakhmayimtfutfutfuH2ONaClmilHmayyabli`ayinhara`
298. JebXXX - Nov. 13, 1998 - 10:29 AM PT
hashke:
Apologies...cyberdybbuk visited again, this time insisting I do a mad mazurka with her. Anyway, teve (with an accent mark above the e) is the way I see "father" in my Lithuanian mind.
People do tell me that I'm inarticulate. When I search to learn more about the Lithuanian language, I'm attempting to discover what was not available to my father (whose first language was Lithuanian) when he taught me to speak (English).
299. hashke - Nov. 13, 1998 - 12:46 PM PT
Jeb:
Lithuanian is hard to find on the net, but if you go to Yahoo and search 'index of online dictionaries', it will toss up some Latvian stuff and one Lithuanian dictionary of computer terms (real handy).
The Latvian word for 'father' is 'tçvs', not too distant from your 'teve'. Which 'e' is marked, btw?
Waiting for Ronski.
300. ChristinO - Nov. 13, 1998 - 12:59 PM PT
There are apparently no Dead-Heads in this thread.
4:20 is some kind of Greatful Dead mythos. Something like on April 20th at 4:20 in the afternoon at a Dead concert Jerry got high on stage or something like that.
So now 4:20 is like the call to worship for serious stoners who love the Greatful Dead.
Where's DanDillon when questions like this come up? I think he used to be in the know about this sort of thing.