502. CalGal - 4/7/2000 3:05:26 PM
toy check
503. CalGal - 4/7/2000 3:06:16 PM
Uz, must you use SIX italic tags?
504. Seguine - 4/7/2000 3:08:29 PM
Uzmakk's and my attempts to fix his toy surfeit (498-501) have been deleted.
505. Seguine - 4/7/2000 3:10:58 PM
CalGal, you know Uzmakk. An all-out guy like him wants his italics to really lean hard.
506. Uzmakk - 4/7/2000 3:11:26 PM
I forgot the HTML instructions, Cal. I was trying to make a list. Sorry.
507. JudithAtHome - 4/7/2000 3:50:08 PM
Are we listing our e-mail addresses somewhere? JudithAtHome@mailcity.com
510. Seguine - 4/7/2000 7:18:06 PM
No fighting in this thread. Msgs 508 and 509 deleted.
511. 109109 - 4/9/2000 8:17:21 PM
Announcement
I was looking at my moniker - 109109. I really don't like it anymore, and aesthetically, it is ugly and impersonal. "Niner" was okay, but I still feel like I'm in a Huxley book. So, this weekend, I tried out some new names, and settled upon my new moniker.
Effective tomorrow, I will be posting as
Jack Vincennes.
Thank you for your time.
512. CalGal - 4/9/2000 8:41:57 PM
Speaking as the person who dubbed you "Niner" as a way around that absurd moniker that reflects the limitations of a guy who, when faced with the need for a login name, thinks, "Hmm. Well, there's my birthday. I'll use that.", I can only say that "Jack Vincennes" seems a bit Spacey.
But I'm sure Cellar will be proud.
513. Indiana Jones - 4/9/2000 8:47:15 PM
Niner: What do you prefer to be called now? Is Niner okay, or would you rather everyone forget your old name?
514. EricCartman - 4/10/2000 2:06:24 AM
Jack:
Do you mind if I just call you "Hoke"?
515. RosettaStone - 4/10/2000 8:49:57 AM
I'm pretty sure "Jack" did this because I started calling .Niner.
Yes, I'm sure.
532. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/2000 10:29:52 AM
Indy
I'd prefer to be called Jack henceforth.
Or Vince.
Or Ice-T.
540. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2000 10:43:50 AM
Jack by itself is kinda--how to put this tactfully?--ordinary. I was going to go for Jocko, but Vince isn't too bad.
If Jack's what you want, though, I'll give it a try.
541. Seguine - 4/10/2000 12:10:12 PM
516-531 and 533-539 sent to Inferno
542. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/2000 12:57:58 PM
Announcement.
In following Seg's lead on keeping a thread clean, I am regularly deleting some posts. I dig off-topic banter, and the deletion is not to be confused with a dim view of same. But after the fun, when I'm around, I try and keep the thread on the topic of Politics for those who may want to come in and discuss same, only to find strange and foreign patter for which there is no easy entree.
I also find it a bit of a downer to see "I have deleted posts ____" with regularity.
That is all.
543. CalGal - 4/10/2000 1:01:10 PM
Niner--it would be nice to move them to the Inferno, rather than delete them.
544. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/2000 1:04:46 PM
Cal
Inferno is for fighting.
Wabbit
At your leisure, could you change the hosts for Politics to Arky and Jack Vincennes.
Gracias.
548. CalGal - 4/10/2000 1:12:37 PM
No, it is not for fighting. It is for off-topic banter. For that matter, you could move it to the Cafe.
The point is, you can do things other than delete.
551. Dusty - 4/10/2000 1:18:29 PM
Jack Vincennes
In the spirit of keeping a record, yet letting newcomers focus on the on-topic material, what would you think about converting off-topic posts to gray or light grey? I realize you can't do this, but perhaps we could talk Alistair into making it an option for thread hosts.
As an example, your post earlier would look like this:
544. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/00 1:04:46 PM
Cal
Inferno is for fighting.
Wabbit
At your leisure, could you change the hosts for Politics to Arky and Jack Vincennes.
Gracias.
552. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/2000 1:19:23 PM
Dusty
Too weird, too spooky, too much work, and certainly not inviting to newcomers.
But pretty cool looking.
553. SpenceMirrlees - 4/10/2000 1:20:37 PM
Seguine, is it okay to have chitchat in this thread as long as you participate in it, such as the exchange on smoking?
554. CalGal - 4/10/2000 1:20:40 PM
Well, moving posts is what is supposed to happen for stuff that isn't offensive and is just off-topic. I agree that the grey stuff is spooky and offputting--and it'd be impossible to implement.
If you don't know how to move posts, Niner, just say so.
555. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/2000 1:21:43 PM
Too much work.
556. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 1:22:53 PM
We can all agree to write in light grey when we're off topic.
557. Dusty - 4/10/2000 1:23:40 PM
We are dangerously close (probably over the line) to subject that belong in Suggestions.
558. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/2000 1:23:52 PM
Ace
If people are uniform, great idea.
559. Jack Vincennes - 4/10/2000 1:24:20 PM
Dusty
Agreed. Repair there.
560. CalGal - 4/10/2000 1:29:20 PM
Too much work.
It is no more work than deleting them.
561. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 1:30:31 PM
I don't think we *should* do this. I'm just saying we *can.*
Obviously the thread host cannot change the color of every off-topic host. But individual posters can.
I, personally, don't mind "off topic" posts. There are some very boring/repetitive on-topic posts that I don't want to read; I can tell if something is personal/off-topic or on-topic/boring in two or three words. I really don't crave a color-code regarding this.
I'm just saying: We *could*.
562. RosettaStone - 4/10/2000 1:34:47 PM
Who cares?
563. Seguine - 4/10/2000 1:38:21 PM
545-547 and 549-550 deleted
Not all mortally beaten horses are worth transferring to the Inferno.
Spence,
One of my hopes was that this thread might be used to start conversations that would later move elsewhere. I've tried to be consistent about moving chatty exchanges, but most die off very quickly as soon as they're transferred.
This time, I decided to see how long a friendly exchange would persist if I didn't move it. It didn't last long, despite the signal my participation should have sent.
I'm building up to a provisional (negative) opinion about the potential for success of the "seedbed" notion. Meanwhile, assume I'll move chat that has absolutely nothing to do with any notice or query posted here, and that I will delete or move flames and kvetching to their appropriate venues.
564. Seguine - 4/10/2000 1:48:52 PM
Then again, perhaps if the Greying of Off-Topic Posts conversation moves of its own accord over to Suggestions I'll feel a kind of glowing, warm hope for the future of motekind.
565. Seguine - 4/10/2000 1:50:07 PM
Folks: once again, you should feel free to copy and re-post exchanges into threads where you'd like to continue them.
566. Seguine - 4/11/2000 2:42:51 PM
Here is the Public Email List. Anyone I missed, or who wishes to be added to the list, should post a note to me in this thread.
Note: I don't plan to include any personal info (e.g., state or country of residence) in the list just yet. If you want to announce that data anyway, you're welcome to do it in this thread.
Ace of Spades
Kevin_Blackthorn@yahoo.com
Adrianne
Adrianne3@hotmail.com
Arkymalarky
amalarky@yahoo.com
Diva
jazzdeev@yahoo.com
Indiana Jones
IndianaJones@resourceful.com
Irving Snodgrass
IrvingSnodgrass@the-fray.com
Jack Vincennes
slawyer@hotmail.com
Judith At Home
JudithAtHome@mailcity.com
Pelle Nilsson
pelle.o.nilsson@telia.com
Pincher Martin
PincherMartin@yahoo.com
Raskolnikov
Raskolnikov123@yahoo.com
Seguine
seguine@hotmail.com
Spence Mirrlees
SpenceMirrlees@hotmail.com
Tabouli Jones
scratchraster@yahoo.com
567. CalGal - 4/11/2000 2:48:39 PM
Seguine,
Are you going to create a page? If not, I'll be happy to build one. Or are you just going to publish new posts and provide a link to the post?
I realize I forgot to give you my email address.
the_calgal@yahoo.com
568. Seguine - 4/11/2000 2:57:20 PM
CG, I decided to wait (see previous posts) until Alistair had a chance to be consulted about all this before doing anything very elaborate. If he and Jay have no persistent objection, and if you or one of them can devise an automated means of keeping this list, then I'm for it.
Because we're sort of in limbo, I don't know whether it would be worth your while to do a page at this point. Why don't we wait and see how long the list gets, what Alistair says about a fancier manifesto-infrested project, etc.? For the time being, this collection of under 20 addresses can sit here in a message, I think.
569. Seguine - 4/11/2000 2:58:13 PM
infrested=infested
570. CalGal - 4/11/2000 2:58:41 PM
Yes, with a link in the butterscotch bar, which I see you've provided. Works for me.
571. Indiana Jones - 4/11/2000 4:15:50 PM
soupisgoodfood's account has been temporarily disabled for repeatedly revealing personal information in violation of the RoE, even after a warning by wabbit. I will notify wabbit of this immediately, but have taken the action now because I believed the release of a motier's name was imminent.
572. CalGal - 4/11/2000 4:16:49 PM
Indy,
I've decided I'm ridiculously fond of you.
573. AceofSpades - 4/11/2000 4:18:58 PM
Good call, Indy.
574. RosettaStone - 4/11/2000 4:27:01 PM
It should be permanent and you should do the same thing to CharlieL.
575. CalGal - 4/11/2000 4:28:21 PM
You know, Indy, as long as you have an itchy trigger finger....
576. PelleNilsson - 4/11/2000 4:28:36 PM
Supported.
577. Indiana Jones - 4/11/2000 4:41:44 PM
I appreciate the words of support, CalGal, Ace, and Pelle. However, the stress of leadership and crushing the frequent parliamentary plots has proved too great for my "heart condition."
I will be vacationing at my dacha on the Black Sea for the next few days with my Danish "nurse" Ingrid.
578. PsychProf - 4/11/2000 5:11:27 PM
ozzienelson@hotmail.com
579. Seguine - 4/11/2000 9:55:15 PM
CG, PP, I'll add you guys (and any others) to an ammended list in a day or two.
580. ChristiPeters - 4/12/2000 11:09:27 AM
christipeters@hotmail.com
584. Seguine - 4/12/2000 5:36:53 PM
Rosetta, your post 581 and 582 about NATO peacekeepers is better suited to the Current Events thread, which is where they and the commentary by Pelle have been relocated.
585. EricCartman - 4/12/2000 8:30:32 PM
ecartman_61@hotmail.com
586. phillipdavid - 4/15/2000 11:39:24 AM
phildavid@hotmail.com
587. joezan - 4/15/2000 11:49:10 AM
joezan1@hotmail.com
588. Seguine - 4/15/2000 5:28:09 PM
Updated Members' Public Email List
Ace of Spades
Kevin_Blackthorn@yahoo.com
Adrianne
Adrianne3@hotmail.com
Arkymalarky
amalarky@yahoo.com
CalGal
the_calgal@yahoo.com
ChristiPeters
christipeters@hotmail.com
Diva
jazzdeev@yahoo.com
EricCartman
ecartman_61@hotmail.com
Indiana Jones
IndianaJones@resourceful.com
Irving Snodgrass
IrvingSnodgrass@the-fray.com
Jack Vincennes
slawyer@hotmail.com
Joezan
joezan1@hotmail.com
Judith At Home
JudithAtHome@mailcity.com
Pelle Nilsson
pelle.o.nilsson@telia.com
Pincher Martin
PincherMartin@yahoo.com
Phillipdavid
phildavid@hotmail.com
PsychProf
ozzienelson@hotmail.com
Raskolnikov
Raskolnikov123@yahoo.com
Seguine
seguine@hotmail.com
Spence Mirrlees
SpenceMirrlees@hotmail.com
Tabouli Jones
scratchraster@yahoo.com
589. stostosto - 4/15/2000 5:39:36 PM
sto@privat.dk
590. Seguine - 4/15/2000 6:53:44 PM
I wonder, should we start a gift registry in this space?
591. PelleNilsson - 4/15/2000 6:55:53 PM
What is a gift registry?
592. theDiva - 4/15/2000 8:54:08 PM
if one is engaged to be married, one registers one's preferences for china, crystal, silver, etc. at a particular merchant in order to facilitate the purchase of wedding gifts. It is a courtesy to those who would like to assist the couple in setting up their home, but have no idea as to the preferences of the couple.
593. Seguine - 4/15/2000 9:34:11 PM
Yes, and gift registries are also employed by people having babies. I realize that the recent spate of Mote offspring suggests there will now be a lull in that department, but you never know. A guy as handsome as Alistair may be kept busy on many levels.
594. Seguine - 4/15/2000 9:38:26 PM
Naturally, I mention Alistair as a for-instance, one of any number of heart-stoppingly handsome Mote males.
595. theDiva - 4/15/2000 9:43:01 PM
dishy males are rather thick on the ground around here, no?
596. Indiana Jones - 4/15/2000 10:19:02 PM
Diva: That's just the shavings left over from Niner.
597. Seguine - 4/17/2000 8:51:54 AM
Department of Hilarious Anthropomorphizing, Foreign Language Division
598. stostosto - 4/17/2000 9:03:42 AM
...a Pseudo- ... what?
Pseudotropheus Zebra ( Metangula )
1 male, 3 females
This fish is my king of the tank. The male is a beautiful peach pink like color. It isn't really aggresive, but if someone messes with him they wil lose. He owns about 20% of the tank to himself. And has dug a huge pit where gravel use to lay. He has breed many times and I have tried to mix him with other color morphs of his own species. He has quite a big appetite and loves to mess round with my catfish. he only shows aggression to the fish he doesn't like.
---
That Pseudo sounds quite exceptable.
599. theDiva - 4/17/2000 9:06:51 AM
"He also has a large appetite and hates everyone's guts. No matter who the fish is he begins to get in a territorial fighting frenzy!"
Good God, we're all fish in this guy's tank.
600. JudithAtHome - 4/17/2000 10:43:50 AM
Okay, did webfeet have her baby? I can't find an announcement anywhere and yet, people are congratulating her left and right...
601. theDiva - 4/17/2000 10:44:31 AM
webby had a 9 pound baby boy, bless her heart.
And has anyone heard from Seamus or Angel-Five recently?
602. Seguine - 4/17/2000 12:42:30 PM
Sto, you think that's exceptable, you should see my Pseudotropheus demasoni. And lets's not even discuss my latest acquisition, a Pseudotropheus elongatus (one colloquially known as a "jewel spot elongatus").
Diva, re Message # 599, yes. Here's Andres's advice to thread hosts:
"...like I said its up to oneself on how he wants his fish tank."
And this is what should be done to accomodate newbies:
"To introduce a new comer to the tank after the tank is been established. You should leave the bag with the fish inside for about 15 minutes. Then take out all the rocks out before you but the fish in. this will neutralize the fish by not giving them a territory to defend. After this feed them and turn off the light! Then the next day you put back all the rocks. Giving him a chance to retrieve a territory and defend himself from other fish."
[The Mote would be so much better a place if only our rocks were removed, we were all given a good meal and a nap, and newbies had to stay in a protective bag for a full 15 minutes before being released among us.]
Finally, this description of the mating ritual was superbly realistic:
"After the male throbbs in front of the female for a while. She either excepts his dance or ignores him when the male is ignored, she is chased ferociously away from the territory! If she excepts she is led to a flat surface where the male begins to shiver."
603. Seguine - 4/17/2000 12:54:49 PM
My sister gave me a gift of some really neat, spicy-smelling soap. The company that makes it is located in England and, apparently, Canada. Here's the website:
Lush
I'm afraid the names of the products are not very helpful in determining what they might smell like. (Lush's marketing czar is probably from Santa Cruz, CA.) However, I can warn that the "Flying Saucers" involves patchouli.
604. theDiva - 4/17/2000 1:11:30 PM
I am taking this advice to my co-hosts. We will bag up newbies and let the flap around in the Cafe for a bit. Excellent.
605. Seguine - 4/17/2000 1:19:09 PM
Judith, for you, reposted here from the Cafe:
15414. webfeet -4/14/00 3:16:21 PM
Hi everyone
I have been wanting to say a hello but haven't had the time. I ahve a big baby sprawled actoss my lap and am typign with one hand. This should give an idea of what my day to day is like. Please forgive this exhausted mother for straying away too long, i've thought of all of you and look forward to hanging out here more, possibly when i return to work, which should be in 1 week.
I wanted to write a detailed labotr story-something that would convey how HUGE all of this is, but the facts simply are: 9 lbs, 1 ounce. No complications, just 1 little stitch. I popped the bunny out in ten minutes after i dilated. They called me a Star. It was pretty fabulous.
I have a nanny coming for an itnerview now, time's up/The last one i interviewed turned to me suddenly in the middle of conversation and said. "Im nosy: how old are you?"
Maybe it was a sensitive subject..im turning 30 in like 3 weeks..maube it was the fact that tippy-top on the list of things Nanneis should never say in interviews next to "I hate babies" is "Im Nosy."
Do I really want you, lady, poking through my underwear drawers in between commercial breaks of All my Children?
No, I dont want to hear those words. Next.
606. Seguine - 4/18/2000 8:15:38 PM
I wonder if this thread could function just as well as a subthread of the Cafe.
Would people check in here less frequently?
607. Seguine - 4/18/2000 8:49:15 PM
Notice: Thanks to proponents of Chilean wine. I have now tried three late-model cabernets and am a convert, praise be to grape.
608. CalGal - 4/18/2000 9:39:04 PM
Until I can figure out a way to display sub-thread time/date/user last posted info, I don't think N&Q would do well as a subthread. But I would like to have subthreads listed on the front page, below their "parent" thread. If that ever becomes the case, I think it could become a subthread without any impact on its effectiveness (and it does quite well).
I have been very busy for the last month plus, and haven't had any time to revisit the user interface. Hopefully, I'll get to it while I'm on vacation.
609. Indiana Jones - 4/20/2000 11:03:12 AM
Per my earlier query about Mensa: No Motier has revealed a membership in this organization, so either we have no Mensa members or no one wants to admit the affiliation. One more try...
If any Motier is a member of Mensa, please email me at IndianaJones@resourceful.com. I have a (small) favor to ask. Thanks.
610. JudithAtHome - 4/20/2000 11:36:34 AM
Anyone who is in or around North Texas on Saturday, please consider yourselves invited to join our Mini-Mote Texas Get-together. Let either ChristinO or me know by Friday evening by sending an e-mail to either one of us.
611. JayAckroyd - 4/21/2000 1:06:37 PM
I'm sorry I missed the discussion on email listing.
I've been lurking pretty regularly but haven't been looking at the N&Q section.
I don't have an objection to compiling email addresses here, and posting a link in the butterscotch bar. Note that the compiler is gonna have to keep them current.
The previous discussion CalGal is referring to was in the context of using the email addresses stored on the server as the source. I said, at the time, that people can post addresses if they want to. Those addresses won't generally be the same as the one on the database. Moreover, if they are limited to public addresses, there's no risk of unending email harrassment--one just kills that mail account if it happens.
I know the issue is moot; Seguine is doing it anyway. But I didn't want folks to think I objected to the collection and posting of email addresses.
612. Seguine - 4/21/2000 3:50:53 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Jay.
The public email list has been updated once so far. I'll update it periodically as needed.
613. JayAckroyd - 4/21/2000 5:21:59 PM
You can add me, if you'd like, jayac@dbsinyc.com, but that address may violate a rule that says we should only use public addresses. I don't have any public addresses.
614. JayAckroyd - 4/21/2000 5:23:24 PM
And you might want to look at the link. It includes a buncha posts as well as the email addresses.
615. CalGal - 4/21/2000 5:40:57 PM
BTW, I got an email spew from an outraged and angry TT user the other day, reminding me yet again how much I dislike their requirement that we put an email address on all of our posts. The impulse driveby potshot is so much easier when all you have to do is click on a link to get someone's email.
Even more bizarre, it turns out that TT's rationale for requiring the email is that people are more prone to be abusive in email, off their boards. Posters can be unpleasant in private and still keep their "polite" image intact. Likewise, TT administrators don't' have to care what people say in email. So the policy is, if you want to shit all over someone, do it to the email address we have demanded that everyone provide. Leave us out of it.
Not that this would ever happen here, but newbies should know that they never have to post an email address, or respond to someone who they don't wish to respond to.
616. Indiana Jones - 4/21/2000 6:03:12 PM
TT's "reasoning" in the email matter sounds like something you'd get from a government clerk. They want everyone to have a public email address--though it's not necessary you ever check it--because getting private email that violates community standards helps build a better community.
So the sysop must spend time and effort making sure a poster's email address actually works (i.e., receives mail), though it's totally unnecessary that the mail ever reach the intended recipient.
????
617. pseudoerasmus - 4/21/2000 6:09:58 PM
In the past four years of participating in three different on-line fora (Fray/Mote, Suite101, TT's International folder) I have received more insane, abusive, infatuated, vindictive and/or downright bizarre emails than I can count. Most of those have not been from the Fray/Mote, however, because here my email address was not displayed (except when I stupidly posted it myself). I've even had strange people discovering my telephone number somehow and calling me out of the blue.
618. CalGal - 4/21/2000 6:16:32 PM
Spooky.
It's emails like the one I got--and your mention of getting (brrr) phone calls--that makes me keep my name as far offline as possible.
619. Seguine - 4/22/2000 12:57:59 PM
Jay, the link is simply a connection to a "compilation" post I make in this thread.
620. Seguine - 4/22/2000 1:05:27 PM
Jay, also, your mail address does violate the proposed rule. Of course it doesn't matter to me, and I know your lack of concern about privacy. But I would like Alistair to OK a host compiling lists of non-public addresses, just as a matter of policy (as it could conceivably address liability issues), before I add your business address to the list.
I meant to ask before, by the way: Pelle, is your address private? I assumed it wasn't, but I would like you to confirm now that it either is not an ISP address/work address that might make you vulnerable to harassment; or that you, like Jay, wish to have a "private" address listed here.
621. joezan - 4/22/2000 1:13:31 PM
I post to a small, local message board - not unusual at all to run into people you know. There, as at TT, you must provide a non-web-based e-mail address, which is linked from your moniker. You must also post under your real name, although we all know that's impossible to enforce. Still, as far as I can tell, most everyone does.
In their Rules, it states simply that the reason for this is that they want nice, civil discussions, and people are more likely to act civilly when they are identifiable. I don't have a problem with that.
But if they presented themselves as a place where just about anything goes, as TT does, I would definitely have a problem with it. There are probably ten discussions going on at TT right now that I would enjoy taking part in. But I won't, exactly because the loonies would sooner or later start sending me crap like Cal and Pseudo get.
622. JayAckroyd - 4/22/2000 1:33:55 PM
620
Fine with me, either way.
623. PelleNilsson - 4/23/2000 1:28:30 PM
Seguine Message # 620
Like Jay and a few others I post under my real name and use my "real" e-mail. I have published it many times here to no ill effects so I don't see any problem.
624. Seguine - 4/23/2000 3:48:07 PM
I understand, Pelle, and thanks for letting me know, but I wish you hadn't listed your "real" address when we were explicitly discussing listing only public ones in this little directory.
Your post above should reassure anyone who wants to quarrel about the appropriateness of that, however: the responsibility for it is squarely on you.
Unless I hear otherwise from Absent Alistair, I'll leave Pelle's private address in situ and will add Jay's to the list in the next update.
625. Seguine - 4/23/2000 3:54:41 PM
NOTICE TO LINGUISTS with info about Polynesian languages:
QUERY in Language thread
626. marshame - 4/24/2000 2:13:18 PM
Judith, well here I am. Now what do I do??
627. Webfeet - 4/24/2000 2:52:10 PM
Seguine
2 Things: Lush and Chilean wine
I cannot believe you found their website! It's too too uncanny-- when I saw the link, I gasped. I had forgotten all about them! Lush makes the most exquisite smelling rosemary clay/pine mud masks I have ever tried. That statement should carry some weight because I am a beauty-product junkie, a reformed one these days, yet nevertheless, I know my stuff. I first discovered Lush several years ago in London--I think it's on King's Road? And I went bananas. I scooped up little pots of this and that in little plastic containers, similar to the kind you put coleslaw or potato salad in at the supermarket, and I thought it's like a deli of beauty products! What a concept! All natural, all perishable, but they work. And what magic!
I tried to track them down in the US, before the dot.com business took off, and couldn't find them. Until now. Many many mercies.
Chilean wine-- we were 'forced' to drink Chilean wine as our liquor store in this unglamorous Queens neighborhood, run by a gaunt, chainsmoking Vietnamese, offers a scary and arbitrarily priced selection of everything else. French wines worth zip in gay paree are stacked in a barrel with Very Good! written on cardboard in black magic marker priced at 20 bucks. (i know, I know i have to get out of Queens. Frenchcat just got a job and things are looking up) After getting swindled one too many tines, we began to experiment and discovered a chilean wine called 'Carmen.' It is spicy, warm and goes with just about everything. It;s meatier than a beaujolais but quite light over all. It would be great on a drunken picnic in October.
628. Webfeet - 4/24/2000 2:53:28 PM
BTW Seguine--Thanks for reposting my message-- To ALL the Fraygrant/Moties I've Loved Before, thank you all for your kind wishes. I haven't been in here to0 often because of my big, fat, kissable baby,-just popping in and out and haven't really had a dialgue unfortunately-- but now that I am at work, I can check in more often. You all are really so much fun-- and Im so glad this forum still exists as a way of keeping in touch.
Judith--Im sorry I never sent you that blackhead extractor. (What's that nice word for blackhead ? I forgot it. It starts with a C)Believe me, it was for your own good.
629. JudithAtHome - 4/24/2000 3:08:23 PM
webbie:
That's okay...I'd probably be scarred for life if I'd gotten it! (I think that word is comedogen...something something?)
Marshame:
There is a click-on list of public e-mails near the top of the Butterscotch bar on the right of your screen.
630. marshame - 4/24/2000 3:09:38 PM
JaH
I figured it out and sent you a note about 45 minutes ago.
631. ScottLoar - 4/24/2000 7:49:10 PM
Im sorry I never sent you that blackhead extractor. (What's that nice word for blackhead ? I forgot it. It starts with a C)
Carbuncle? No, I guess not.
632. ranheim - 4/24/2000 9:07:29 PM
its comedome
633. ranheim - 4/24/2000 9:09:00 PM
I haven't been hear for months.
Is this the right forum to ask for a recipe for home made Pastrami?
If not, direct me to the right place.
634. robertjayb - 4/24/2000 9:12:12 PM
.
The doctor is back!
Bring out your ill! Make lists of your symptoms!
635. DanDillon - 4/24/2000 9:16:46 PM
ranheim Message # 633,
Try Home & Garden. This thread is intended/reserved for general informational bulletins (notices) and questions (queries). Or at least that was its original intended purpose.
636. Seguine - 4/25/2000 1:57:17 AM
Ranheim, Dillon is correct, Home and Garden is where you should go.
However, this thread is certainly the thread in which to inquire whether this thread is the thread in which to inquire about pastrami.
637. SpenceMirrlees - 4/25/2000 2:35:10 PM
here's a query:
When this place was getting off the ground, contributions were solicited in the typical amount, I believe, of $10, to be sent to JJBiener.
I know that at least some contributions were sent; what's happening with that money? Just curious.
638. theDiva - 4/25/2000 4:23:14 PM
Banks
My child, visiting her father this week, has just called me to extol the virtues of Urbanfetch. 'Link's Revenge For GameBoy Color' and a bag of chocolate chip cookies in under an hour.
639. marjoribanks - 4/27/2000 12:01:50 PM
Cool, Diva.
----
Now, because I don't want to pollute Ilya's thread further - let m announce that salman Rushdie is in love with a hottie and is moving to NY to be with her. A jacket photo of thecover of her recent book is reproduced below: 
640. marjoribanks - 4/27/2000 12:02:15 PM
Any number of cheap puns can be made about the title, of course.
641. marjoribanks - 4/27/2000 12:11:52 PM
Notice: In the last two days, Pseuder has taken links I've placed here and posted them with blinding speed in TT (sans acknowledgement). I wish he'd at least comment about these links before purloining them.
642. pseudoerasmus - 4/27/2000 12:15:45 PM
Don't get too egocentric, marzipranks; I post links from TT here and I post links from the Mote in TT. Of the dozen Mote links in TT, only two have been yours.
643. marjoribanks - 4/27/2000 12:17:42 PM
Yes, but they're really good ones.
Now, what does this exquisite subcon lass see in the increasingly gross Rushdie I wonder. Lucky bastard, he's seen strolling Fifth Ave hand-in-hand with her quite regularly at least according to the NY Post).
644. pseudoerasmus - 4/27/2000 12:20:03 PM
They're not particularly interesting out of context. In context, yes.
Is Rushdie no longer in hiding or something? Where would a man in hiding meet her?
661. msgreer - 4/27/2000 2:27:02 PM
Looking for folks who want to get back into a lively discussion on health. Check out the slow thread, RIP Health.
JJ where are you?
Does anyone know if prof emeritus is on vacation?
677. Seguine - 4/27/2000 4:40:51 PM
The bulk of the conversation about lovely Padma Lakshmi (posts 645-660, 662-676) has been moved to the Cafe; I'm leaving the first portion of it here as a sort of teaser for the other thread, and because it contained posts which I suppose are in fact notices.
Unfortunately, the lack of a copy function means those posts had to be either here or there, not in both places, and I feared photos would fail to post in Cafe if I simply pasted copies of the posts there. The upshot is that the conversation in Cafe now begins with a nonsequitur from PE.
678. theDiva - 4/27/2000 4:42:39 PM
and this is unusual because.......?
679. ScottLoar - 4/27/2000 4:44:01 PM
But, Seguine, surely you've no objection to a bit of lascivity here now and then?
680. Seguine - 4/27/2000 6:36:51 PM
Loar, not at all. It's just that the conversation goes on for some 30-40 posts and doesn't entirely belong here.
Of course, the cigarette conversation didn't either, but letting it unfurl here instead of chasing it elsewhere was something of an experiment. I decided to leave it permanently after Spence's inquiry, which otherwise would have referred to a gaping hole.
But since you asked, I'm in the process of formulating a slightly different approach to this thread. Transferring Hot Padma is iteration #1 of the New and Improved Policy, by which I attempt to avoid obliterating conversations before they get going, yet keep N&Q easily scannable for notices, queries, and conversations related directly to them.
Padma could have happened in the Cafe. But it didn't, and I've come to see no reason it or any other civil conversation shouldn't start here. But once a conversation has run its course, or become lengthy enough to spawn tangents, then it probably needs to go to a more suitable thread.
My working policy at the moment is that a civil conversation that develops here and really doesn't belong anywhere else might as well stay here, unless and until a thread more hospitable to it is opened.
681. ScottLoar - 4/27/2000 6:39:51 PM
Ah, I see that a penny tossed reaps heaps of silver.
682. Seguine - 4/27/2000 7:55:08 PM
General Notice:
Saw a magazine ad for Kaboombooks.com, which promises lowest prices on "scholarly and general interest" books, with $3.00 flat rate shipping.
I ran a search for Amartya Sen's Development as Freedom, and it came up at $17.88, as opposed to Amazon's $19.25. Amazon generally charges $5-6.00 shipping for a book that price (compare w/$3 at Kaboom). However, Amazon allows you to reserve the softcover version, not to be published until August, for $12.
The flat shipping rate makes Kaboom incredibly attractive if you're purchasing several books.
683. CalGal - 4/27/2000 10:58:25 PM
An interesting Time article on buying stocks on a dollar cost averaging basis, recommending two online stock companies that allow you to buy portions of stocks for 2-3 dollars a transaction.
Of particular interest to me is the fact that Netstock allows you to create accounts for your children for only $1/transaction. Rather like a savings account for kids, with a lot better growth potential.
The two sites are:
Netstock
Buy and Hold.
684. CalGal - 4/27/2000 11:02:28 PM
In rereading my post, I realize I make it sound as if the Time writer is saying something new about DCA, which isn't what I meant. It's just usually not possible to do that with a variety of stocks without dealing with the companies directly. This is like a traditional stockbroker account, but with an affordable method of buying into a variety of stocks without killing yourself on commissions--and buying at the rate you can afford, whether for yourself or as a fun investment for your kids.
685. CalGal - 4/28/2000 2:32:16 AM
I don't know if I'm the only person who gets tickets around here, but if your court gives you the Internet traffic school option, take it.
I just did the whole course in two hours, while getting a lot else done as well. It was only $25. I used Web Traffic School, which seemed to have support the most jurisdictions and had the best response time.
686. joezan - 4/28/2000 6:56:44 AM
Cal:
Got it bookmarked, have you?
I never knew such a thing existed. Of course, the speed limit here is 70, and you've got to get up around 85 (or so I'm told) before they even notice you).
What does completing the course get you? Points off of your driving record? Reduced insurance premium?
689. CalGal - 4/28/2000 11:58:31 AM
Joe,
Well, for a long time I spaced my tickets to about 18 months apart. This meant I could keep a clean record by clearing them in traffic school. But back in 95, I was driving to and from Sac'to a lot, and then I started driving from Santa Clara to Pleasanton and then Emeryville--in short, when you drive more, you start to get more tickets. So I just started paying them off and taking the insurance hit--I pay about $4000/year.
The only thing was that this time they made me go to traffic court because I'd been going more than 20 miles over. This turned out to be a good thing--traffic court is one of the all time great deals. The judge just sits there and reduces the fine of anyone who shows up. I'm going to go more often. In this case, she knocked my ticket down to half the penalty and declared me eligible for traffic school, so that ticket's not on my record. I think I got two more that summer, though. I forgot about traffic school, frankly.
I don't have the site bookmarked; I had just finished the course.
698. Seguine - 4/28/2000 1:24:42 PM
CalGal, thanks for the stock site info. I'd been curious if affordable options of that nature existed.
701. CalGal - 4/28/2000 1:28:48 PM
I've been wanting something like that for years. Spawn has already picked his stock--it is, of course, WWF Entertainment. I was halfway through trying to gently discourage him before I realized what I was doing. Buy away, sez I quickly.
711. Seguine - 4/28/2000 11:06:41 PM
The conversation about driving and speeding is now in the Cafe.
712. pseudoerasmus - 5/1/2000 1:44:09 AM
On Monday morning I'll be leaving for five months.
I'll be travelling around in May. I'll spend June, July and August in Moscow. And in September, it's le nozze di Pseudoerasmo and then honeymoon. (Location yet undetermined). Then at the end of September we come back.
See you all later.
713. joezan - 5/1/2000 6:53:59 AM
Happiness to you and the future Mrs., Pseudo.
714. Seguine - 5/1/2000 11:07:34 AM
Have fun, and congratulations, you poor fatted calf.
(He thinks he's in control of this thing, but its only a few years now before little pseudoersamites swarm upon the earth...)
715. JJBiener - 5/1/2000 2:08:26 PM
I hope she doesn't get bored with PE too quickly. She really is the more intelligent of the two.
716. rubberducky7 - 5/1/2000 2:24:46 PM
jj -
i hope i can ask this:
is he marring the former frayperson he dated ('m')?
717. JJBiener - 5/1/2000 2:35:56 PM
Lucky - As far as I know he is marrying Montespan. I haven't heard otherwise. That's why I said she is more intelligent.
718. bubbaette - 5/1/2000 2:37:19 PM
I can't see Pseudo marring anyone. A vicious tounge lashing, maybe, but no lasting scars.
719. rubberducky7 - 5/1/2000 2:44:26 PM
jj -
you should prolly call me scott or rubberducky - there is a "Lucky" scampering about ya know
and thanks for the info. i personally can't see those two getting along for any stretch (i'm inclined to agree with bub) - but that's just me.
monte more intelligent that ps? hmm - i dunno close call, imo.
720. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/1/2000 2:45:50 PM
I can't see Pseudo marring anyone.
Heck, I've seen him mar lots of people around here. In fact, marring is one of his favorite pastimes.
721. bubbaette - 5/1/2000 3:14:37 PM
I stand corrected.
722. JJBiener - 5/1/2000 3:39:07 PM
Bubbaette - Orthopedic shoes?
723. Seguine - 5/3/2000 10:30:33 PM
Notice:
The last three electronic items I've purchased at Circuit City have failed within one year (or less--much, much less). These include a 17" JVC television, a 1 cf Sharp microwave oven, and a mid-price range Maytag dishwasher. (Moreover, I got hijacked on the installation of the dishwasher.)
It's all well and good to have one's appliances die under warranty, but the sales bastards should pay you to deal with the idiots who are supposed to fix or replace them.
I'm seriously beginning to wonder, is all this unreliability a case of bad luck, or the fruits of enhanced manufacturer "productivity"?
724. rubberducky7 - 5/4/2000 9:17:13 AM
Notice:
'I Love You' E-Mail Virus Attacks
Computer Systems World-Wide
Dow Jones Newswires
HONG KONG -- A computer virus spread by e-mail messages bearing the title "I Love You" spread through Asian businesses Thursday afternoon, and appeared to be quickly tainting computer systems world-wide.
If the attachment holding the virus is opened, the virus apparently multiplies by finding other e-mail addresses and prompting the computer to generate new e-mail. Victims sometimes receive dozens of e-mail messages, all contaminated with the virus.
The virus, which appeared in Hong Kong late Thursday afternoon, seemed to particularly hit, among other businesses, public relations firms and investment banks. Dow Jones and the Asian Wall Street Journal offices in Asia were among its victims.
In Hong Kong, Nomura International Ltd. is receiving the e-mail virus, an analyst said. The virus has created a lot of damage in Nomura's London office, he said. "It just multiplies through the system and eradicates whole address books," the analyst said.
Simon Flint, currency strategist at Bank of America in Singapore, said he has received e-mail messages warning him of the virus but hasn't received the actual virus.
I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN IT. So, be warned.
725. theDiva - 5/4/2000 9:26:23 AM
I got it twice this morning. Thank God I deleted it before I opened it.
726. rubberducky7 - 5/4/2000 9:28:58 AM
I'm up to twice as well, diva dear.
Glad someone issued a warnign to me first.
727. EricCartman - 5/4/2000 11:19:59 AM
Seguine:
I bought three items at Circuit City last summer: a Zenith 27" TV, a 100W Technics amp/receiver, and a Technics 60-disc changer.
The TV broke down after 10 days, and took three weeks for them to get the right part to the warranty repair center. (Apprently there is now only one parts center in the entire US for Zenith -- in Huntsville, Alabama. Go figure.)
The amplifier took a dump after five months. After a month in the warranty repair center, Panasonic (who now own Technics) decided that they didn't want to cover it. After a shitload of phone calls, several e-mails, and a veiled threat to buy and use the domain name "panasonicsucks.com", they not only relented, but replaced the entire unit for me. But this took nearly two months of flat-out ranting.
As for the CD player, it's had a few minor loading problems, but so far, so good (crosses fingers). Nonetheless, I'm a bit wary of buying anything from Circuit City in the future -- and CC, by the way, were absolutely no help whatsoever for either problem. If you don't buy their extended warranty (which should be a sucker bet if you think about it), you don't pop up on their radar.
728. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 11:30:43 AM
virus warning:
By SUN ONLINE REPORTER
THOUSANDS of businesses worldwide have been hit by a devastating computer virus, known as the "love letter" bug.
The virus, which is spread by an email message called "I Love You" has infected about ten per cent of UK businesses.
The virus, which is thought to have started in Philippines capital Manila, is spread by opening the email.
Users receive a message reading "Kindly check the attached love letter from me!" with a file attached titled "LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU".
When the file is opened a program runs which automatically copies the email to all the people in the user’s address book.
It then downloads a file from the Internet to keep the computer tied up.
729. Raskolnikov - 5/4/2000 11:44:00 AM
I have received about ten of them. Yecch.
730. Seguine - 5/4/2000 11:49:50 AM
Cartman: I plan to do no more business with Circuit City. You do have to threaten, cajole, etc., to get them to honor their coverage, the 12th-graders they hire to man the returns desk are clearly illiterate, and the salespeople lie in the first place (which we all know, but it's fascinating what they say they warrant but don't put in writing). I never buy the extended warranty ripoff.
Problem is, Circuit City has displaced smaller retailers in our area. Very hard to find places that carry a reasonable selection of merchandise.
731. CalGal - 5/4/2000 11:51:07 AM
I got 8 of them, tried to delete it, but Outlook hung and now I can't get back in. I think that the email server at this client site got infected.
732. uzmakk - 5/4/2000 11:54:55 AM
Does anyone know if there has been a full account written about the discovery of H. Pyloris, the bacterium that causes 90% of stomach ulcers, and the trouble that its discoverer had getting his discovery publicized because of the interference of drug companies who were making lots of money from Tagamet ?
733. Absensia - 5/4/2000 12:05:52 PM
Reason 5642389670 why not to use Outlook!
More on the virus
734. PsychProf - 5/4/2000 12:13:50 PM
LOVE BUG
click on image 
735. Raskolnikov - 5/4/2000 12:39:49 PM
Speaking as a former electronics retailer: Never buy extended warranties. (There are a handful of exceptions for equipment which gets manhandled a lot).
736. EricCartman - 5/4/2000 4:11:59 PM
Extended warranties are for suckers. If you don't think the new TV you're buying is going to last 3 or 5 years, don't buy it in the first place. I mean, it's a goddamned TV; you plug it in, and it shouldn't have any problems for a good 8-10 years.
Then again, something Seguine alluded to earlier is a subject Stumbo and I have argued about before -- I posited that as home electronics have become cheaper, the quality has substantially dropped, along with the service, and that most of these items were essentially disposable lighters with circuit boards in them.
(Which is pretty much a "duh". Anyone who thinks manufacturers really "pass the savings on to you" probably thinks pro wrestling is real, or that N*Stink really write their own songs and play the instruments.)
Anyway, Stumbo did not disagree; in fact he replied "So what?". He didn't mind that the VCR that was $50 cheaper would probably only last half the time it should. Which is fine, except that I do mind, as do a lot of people (I think). Yet the option of quality is no longer available to us. Mind you, the above three items I bought at Circuit City last summer totaled around $1100 or so; we weren't rummaging through the fucking bargain bin.
It's a pretty nauseating philosophy, really. If folks want a cheap piece of shit, good for them. But if you shell out the large dollars for a quality unit, you shouldn't have to wonder if the fucker will work next week, and how long it will take to fix if it breaks down.
I hardly bothered with CC in getting my units repaired; I dealt almost exclusively with the manufacturers themselves. Which is almost as much fun as gouging out your own eyes with a rusty spoon. Circuit City stands behind their products like Billy Barty.
737. Seguine - 5/4/2000 6:34:02 PM
"Does anyone know if there has been a full account written about the discovery of H. Pyloris, the bacterium that causes 90% of stomach ulcers, and the trouble that its discoverer had getting his discovery publicized because of the interference of drug companies who were making lots of money from Tagamet?"
The discoverer, whose name I can't recall, did indeed have trouble convincing fellow researchers that Helicobacter pylori caused ulcers. But this probably had nothing to do with Big Pharma, just overcoming dogma. I think once his data was published (and it was probably a major paper, i.e., in either Science or Nature, back in the late '80s or early '90s), everyone knew about it.
Academic researchers have no further need of "publicizing" such info. They don't get paid for their discoveries.
738. PsychProf - 5/4/2000 6:55:27 PM
"In 1979, pathologist J. Robin Warren (Royal
Perth Hospital in Australia) found large numbers
of spiral- shaped bacteria in tissue from stomach
biopsies. These bacteria, found underneath the
mucous layer that protects the stomach from
acid, were always associated with tissue
inflammation. Warren and his associate Barry
Marshall were finally able to cultivate the
bacteria, and in 1983 they published their first
report. Within six months, scientists all over the
world had found the same bacteria in patients
with gastritis, always in association with persistent
stomach inflammation. The organism was
assigned to a new genus: Helicobacter (species:
pylori)."
739. JJBiener - 5/4/2000 7:11:03 PM
There is another strain of the Love Bug going around. The title is FW:Joke. It has an attachment with a .vbs extension. Do not open the attachment. It reacts like the Love Bug.
BTW, the Love Bug has run rampant though our network. It has now crahsed our mail server. I have received over 100 messages from the two viruses.
740. CalGal - 5/4/2000 7:17:31 PM
Yes, the server here is down, too. One of my clients is Pocket.com, and they are just having an awful day.
741. joezan - 5/4/2000 11:20:07 PM
Cartman:
I don't know - maybe it's our age difference (about 7 years, if I recall correctly). But I bought my first TV at age 20, when I moved out of my folks' house and in with my gf. It was a 19 in. Zenith, on sale at Macy's for $439! I bought the extra year warranty for something like $50, and I still thought I got a great deal.
Then, 2 years later the thing blew. But I had had a repairman in about a month before the warranty expired, because it was arcing something terrible every time we turned it on, and was taking longer and longer for the picture to show. The repairman said it was "just a little dusty", and vacuumed it out. I brought it in when it finally blew, a week after the warranty expired. Some fat manager named Sy says to me, Hey -whatdafuck you want??? It's a friggin' TV - you want it should last forever?
That's why it amazes me that I now have a very nice 27 in. Toshiba for which I paid only $300 4 years ago, and it's still going strong.
I was a hardcore audiophile (till I got married), and used to think nothing of spending $1500 for an amp, and even more for speakers. Now, the sonic difference between a $300 amp and a $1000 amp is so small, I think that only a fool would opt for the more expensive one. The reason these things are disposable is that most things that go wrong with them cost nearly as much to fix as the item cost brand new.
Yea - the $1000 item is gonna last a lot longer than the $300 item. But these days that's no bargain, because you miss out on 3 generations of advancements while you're squeezing your pennies out of your trusty old clunker.
742. joezan - 5/4/2000 11:26:42 PM
Although, my dad is quite proud of his pre-transistor vintage Zenith am/fm receiver/amplifier, which he bought at a garage sale 15 years ago, and for which he bought a nearly complete set of replacement tubes on Canal Street a few years later.
He keeps it in the basement, where it heats up the whole corner of the room around his workbench.
743. EricCartman - 5/5/2000 1:28:38 AM
Joezan:
Those are good points, and true to an extent -- the technology is improving so quickly that a long-lasting part will basically be obsolete before it wears out. That is an important factor; it doesn't make sense to finesse a VCR to last 10 years if it'll be scrapped for a DVD in five.
But you should be able to get more than 10 days out of a brand new $400 TV. And when it does break down, it shouldn't take them 3 weeks to get the correct part to the customer. (Actually, Zenith never did get the proper part for my model in during those three weeks; the repairman finally got sick of seeing me at his shop every other day and found a spare part that would suffice.)
Maybe my case (and Seguine's) is just an anomaly; shit happens. But it does seem to be a natural result of belt-trimming and cost-cutting, a systemic thing. People get more and more used to inferior product quality and customer service, and companies naturally see the opportunity to push that envelope ever further. The M.O. seems to be almost a challenge: "What are ya gonna do about it? Spend your lunch hour playing phone tag with our customer service drones?"
I have lucked out also; I've had my same 200Mhz PC for over 2 years now, and aside from a defective CD-ROM drive early on (which took me about 15 minutes to replace), I've never had a problem with it. The only time it crashes is if I'm running five or six browsers simultaneously, and pushing it too fast. Yet the newer, faster computer at my work is a complete piece of shit that has to be babied through every little task. So you just never know.
One thing I also got at CC that I am more than pleased with -- a pair of Infinity bookshelf speakers. They are sweet, and have been problem-free.
744. joezan - 5/5/2000 8:07:29 AM
Cartman:
The rap on CC around here is that you get no customer support. It's true, but (at least in this area) they're just about the only game in town, having underpriced everyone else into the ground. So for me, it usually comes down to "Do I spend 25% more just in case something goes wrong in the first year?" In my experience, the percentages tell me "No".
I bought my PC, 15 in. monitor, and printer there (all IBM) 2 1/2 years ago. 2 weeks ago the monitor expired. It had cost me $329 new, and that was in a package deal. I did some research, and discovered this fairly new company, emachines, whose stuff was getting very good ratings. I went to CC, and replaced my IBM monitor with the same size emachines monitor - a more advanced component, with better resolution - for $109! If it blows up a year from now, I figure I still made out.
745. ButterfieldSwire - 5/5/2000 10:14:20 AM
Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering if if anyone knows how expensive rents are in coastal Northern California (Moneterey/Big Sur/Santa Cruz). I've heard that Silicon Valley and San Francisco are insane. Does that extend throughout the whole region?
746. PincherMartin - 5/5/2000 12:33:00 PM
ButterfieldSwire --
This is a guess, but I think Monterey apartments are:
One bedroom of fair quality - $900 - 1200
Two bedrooms of fair quality - $1000 - 1400
I have no idea what the rent is in Santa Cruz or Big Sur.
747. CalGal - 5/5/2000 12:49:31 PM
For comparison, I pay $1750/month on a 2BR/2BA in West Santa Clara.
It's not so much that the rents are insane in the Bay Area--it's just that there aren't very many properties (particularly upscale properties) once you get out of San Francisco. Between Menlo Park and Santa Clara, there are only about five properties that charge more than $1000/month for rent. Affording rent isn't the problem--finding a place to rent is.
748. theDiva - 5/5/2000 12:50:48 PM
Jaysus, $1750.
You can get a 5 bedroom house on an acre of land 40 minutes outside DC for that.
749. CalGal - 5/5/2000 12:52:51 PM
Oh, I know. I have a mortgage on a 3600 sq ft home in Cary, NC, on a third of an acre that's only $1500/month. And that's in suburbia.
I'm not buying in this area until the competition goes down. I don't mind paying a lot, but the bidding wars get insane.
750. theDiva - 5/5/2000 12:53:35 PM
I don't blame you. That's crazed.
751. CalGal - 5/5/2000 1:05:14 PM
My ex just wanted a 1br condo, and he ended up paying $50,000 more than he'd originally planned--all of it spent in competition. That eats up equity in a hurry.
And at the upper margins, you have Couple #1 paying Couple #2 $25,000 to walk away and not bid.
752. Seguine - 5/5/2000 1:25:19 PM
Butter: I know people who commute to Silicon Valley from Santa Cruz because the housing is more affordable in SC; I'm told long commutes are the rule now for most newcomers to the area.
But here's a tip. I don't know how good it is, may be too stale. But check into Oakland (maybe Emeryville, too).
In clear traffic, it's about a 40 minute drive to Mountain View/Palo Alto from Oakland. Also, in both cities there are a lot of old warehouses (mainly iron foundries and the like) that got turned into artist's live-work spaces in the last 20 years. Some are fixed up very nicely, some aren't, and they tend to rent out as quickly as everything else. But they may be a little cheaper than regular apartments, and the space is often much more interesting. Look into Ford St. Studios & (I think) Dutch Boy Studios, which are both located parallel to Hwy 880 between the hwy and the bay.
Some of these places, however, strive to rent only to artists and craftspeople. (If you're desperate, you could hire someone to compose a portfolio for you.)
I heard, too, that a bunch of rental property in downtown Oakland was renovated recently. That might be a neat place to live, especially since the BART is pretty extensive downtown.
753. Seguine - 5/5/2000 1:29:11 PM
Butter, I just realized you didn't say you'd be working in Silicon Valley. Sorry, disregard previous.
754. CalGal - 5/5/2000 1:29:25 PM
I was going to mention Oakland, but I figured you'd chime in. I agree--Oakland is doing very nicely, and while the commute to Mountain View is pretty long by my standards, it pales in comparison to the length of time it'd take from Santa Cruz.
755. CalGal - 5/5/2000 1:31:06 PM
At this point, if you're going to live in Santa Cruz, there's enough companies there that you might want to work there as well.
Of course, this assumes that you're looking at a move for job-related reasons.
756. Seguine - 5/6/2000 9:20:19 AM
Another good Bay Area option: Alameda. Good mix of Victorian and arts & crafts architecture. Pleasant, very walkable shopping district. Even a beach.
757. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 10:30:19 AM
An Australian friend of mine, based in Bali, who is an international troubleshooter for the hotel industry, has just been asked to take over a problem hotel in the USA (some of you may remember the photo I posted of him in the old Holidays thread, as he and I ushered in the new year while our wives were in the restroom).
The hotel he will be handling, starting this Friday, is an 800-room monstrosity in Dallas, Texas. He asked me if I knew anyone in Dallas who could fill him in on the city... where to live, where to eat, where to send the kids to school, etc. He's pretty sure his Indonesian wife will find out where to shop quite quickly, but he's interested in some useful information. He's never lived in the USA, but he traveled around the country for a few months about 20 years ago, and is looking forward to the experience.
Does anyone know of a good web site or two about Dallas?
Also, do any of you who live in or near Dallas, or have lived there, have any tips of the sort you just can't find anywhere else?
758. robertjayb - 5/7/2000 1:11:00 PM
.
Irving,
Sounds like a job for JudithAtHome. She's from around nearby Fort Worth, the anti-Dallas. I think marshame is from up that way as well.
This weekly, Dallas Observer is interesting and the article about the convicted former city councilman and civil rights activist reflects a lot of Dallas history.
The Dallas Morning News is the big dog on the block, owned by a multimedia conglomerate said the be among the most profitable in the country.
759. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 1:28:18 PM
Thanks, Robert. You're in Texas, too, aren't you? Where in Texas?
760. PelleNilsson - 5/7/2000 1:39:18 PM
Irv
I just saw in the paper that there has been a high-level chess tournament in Bali with players like Judith Polgar and Jan Tinman. Did you check it out any?
761. robertjayb - 5/7/2000 1:48:06 PM
.
Irving,
Central Texas...the boondocks. South of Dallas-Fort Worth, west of Houston, east of Austin, north of San Antonio.
(...message repeated in Politics for your further enjoyment.
762. JudithAtHome - 5/7/2000 2:27:04 PM
Irving:
Robert is very correct in saying I live in the "anti-Dallas"...in fact, I am terrified of Dallas so much that I seldom go there unless someone else is driving (and treating!) The people for the inside scoop on all things Dallas are Marshame and Jenerator. They will be able to give you the low down on whatever your friend needs to know about living in Dallas. Warn him about the weather...it's hot.
Which hotel is it? There are some spectacular hotels in Dallas. The last 3 times I went there, it was to attend big parties at fancy hotels. And the time before those three, I went to see the premier Kabuki dancer of Japan in his farewell tour. I will also go there to see a good art exhibit. But Dallas is very intimidating to me so I usually just read about it!
763. seguine - 5/7/2000 9:51:25 PM
Judith, last time I knew, Foat Wuth had much better art museums than Dallas.
Irv, tell your friend all he needs in Dallas is two or more very reliable automobiles and a home with central air conditioning. Everything else will follow.
764. seguine - 5/7/2000 9:59:43 PM
What kind of environment does your friend hail from in Australia?
Hmm. Tell him to look into the Lakewood and White Rock Lake areas. Housing is older there, more interesting perhaps. Also Turle Creek, if he has money. Possibly Oak Lawn; however it used to be the center of gay life in Dallas. Around SMU, in Highland Park, there are some attractive properties. I'm told Las Colinas is nice; it's not in Dallas proper.
The suburbs have probably improved a bit since I left.
765. ButterfieldSwire - 5/8/2000 7:55:01 AM
Thanks for the info, Calgal, Seguine and PincherMartin.
766. JudithAtHome - 5/8/2000 10:51:19 AM
Seguine:
We DO have better museums here but the Lalique exhibit and the Treasures of the Romanovs were in Dallas. I'd have walked there for the Lalique...it was his jewelry and it was fabulous.
767. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/8/2000 11:11:51 AM
Thanks for the info, Robert, Judith, and Seguine. I'll pass it along to my friend.
Judith:
Which hotel is it?
I don't know the name. All I know is that it's an 800-room independent hotel which is losing piles of money. It's not affiliated with a chain, and most Americans prefer to stay in chain hotels.
Seguine:
What kind of environment does your friend hail from in Australia?
He's from a medium-sized town originally (± 100,000), but he has been in the hotel industry for 20+ years, and has lived all over, including more than 10 years here in Indonesia (in Bandung and Bali).
768. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/8/2000 11:22:00 AM
Pelle:
I just saw in the paper that there has been a high-level chess tournament in Bali with players like Judith Polgar and Jan Tinman. Did you check it out any?
It was a very big deal here, with banners all over town. I don't think of chess as a spectator sport, so I didn't attend.
769. JudithAtHome - 5/8/2000 11:30:18 AM
Irv:
Tell your friend that at least 2 of us here in Texas would rather stay in non-chain hotels any day...much more character and more individual attention. Most of our best stays away from home have been in smaller, independently owned hotels and inns.
770. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/8/2000 11:57:28 AM
Judith:
True, but would you find a huge independently-owned hotel attractive?
771. JudithAtHome - 5/8/2000 12:53:36 PM
Irv:
I've stayed in big ones...maybe not 800 rooms, though. I honestly don't know if I would or not. Maybe when your friend takes over the one in Dallas, we'll go over for a night and check it out!
772. CalGal - 5/9/2000 3:15:33 PM
We are discussing having a Mote Movie Festival--it will probably start in about a month. I'd love for everyone to join in, and if you have friends or family members that watch movies, tell them to c'mon down.
Tentative plan is one movie a week for about 8 weeks. No commitments necessary; I won't be grading.
I think I'm going to ask Wabbit for a new thread, given that it's summer time and I want to keep the movie thread open for the blockbuster discussions.
If you're interested or have any questions, please post in Movies. I'll be looking for hosts as well.
773. rubberducky7 - 5/10/2000 1:19:51 PM
Yet Another New MS HotMail Hack Attack:
A glitch in Hotmail could allow a hacker to tap into a user's account and read his or her e-mail.
774. Seguine - 5/11/2000 9:38:21 AM
Speaking of Hotmail. I received a Hotmail msg from a motie who asked that her AOL email be listed in the addresses link here.
The precedent of including "private" addresses in the Mote Members' Public Email Address List has been set with Pelle and Jay's addresses. I personally discourage it, but will add a private (i.e., ISP-based) address to the list if the requester truly desires it. Nevertheless:
All listing requests, whether for private or public addresses, must be made publicly in this thread. Please don't email your listing requests, since I have no way of knowing whether the person making the request by email is the same person whose address is being given to me for publication in N&Q.
(Sorry if that seems a little paranoid.)
I will probably do an update in the next week, so any new inclusion requests should be made pretty soon.
Thanks.
775. rubberducky7 - 5/11/2000 9:46:41 AM
seg:
i've posted it enuff, but plesase include mine:
scottanton@yahoo.com
thx,
scott
776. JJBiener - 5/11/2000 10:37:24 AM
Seguine - You can include mine as well.
jjbiener@yahoo.com
It is pretty much common knowledge around here, but there might be some newbies who don't have it.
777. rubberducky7 - 5/11/2000 11:15:01 AM
interesting Slate article about the lovebug with a good response from MS.
my favorite point:
"As a matter of cultural style, it's odd that Microsoft has earned notoriety for laxness about computer security. The company is such a control freak, after all, in other domains. It may be in part because Microsoft itself likes to be able to do things to our computers from a distance. If you spend any time at MSN or Microsoft.com—even at Slate—you've noticed that you are often given a chance to "install and run" some ActiveX control or other, and you are invited to check a box that says, "Always trust content from Microsoft Corporation." These ActiveX controls can do anything, where Java, by contrast, was designed not to have unbridled access to the file system. Last year Microsoft got caught placing secret unique identifiers in Office documents and collecting associated hardware indentifiers from across the Internet. Soon all Office users will be required to register their software, in the name of copy protection, and allow Microsoft to check remotely on where the software has been installed. The company has just patented a technique for installing software upgrades over the Internet, after consulting settings in the registry. All this middleware, all this powerful scripting, helps Microsoft check up on its users. Maybe that's why the company doesn't feel any great urgency about having us batten down the hatches."
778. CalGal - 5/12/2000 4:36:34 AM
I wanted to post a general update on my many old email addresses, to make sure that those who sporadically email me are current.
Start with this:
If you have no idea what my email is, use the public yahoo address on Seguine’s list, and mention it to me (I don’t always check that one daily).
If you know what my home email address is, that’s the safest one to use unless I’ve asked you to send it elsewhere.
For those of you who aren't sure what you have, which one my home address is, or can’t figure out what Outlook is autofilling, you can delete any email addresses whose domain starts with:
OCT
HAM
HOME
CAP
CHA
God forbid you've got anything farther back than that, but zap PB or the one beginning with R if you've still been hanging onto it. (at that point, anything left is probably my home address.)
The email address starting with domain MET is still valid, but very unreliable--I won't see it at all for the next two weeks and then I'll only be there part-time. Don’t send anything to it unless you’ve checked first—otherwise I might not see it for days.
I will be sending some emails from a different address while on vacation—that’s as close to a work address as I have right now. Fine for when I’m on vacation, after that, if it’s time critical, send to my home address.
Phew.
I realize this must seem convoluted to the rest of you, but I often casually send someone an email from a work address and forget to mention that it’s temporary, or that I’m only going to be onsite at it two days a week. Next thing I know, someone has sent a Mote question to an email address I haven't even thought of for six months. Then I feel woefully disorganized and chaotic and hence, guilty.
So remember: Any work email address of mine is best written in pencil.
779. Dantheman - 5/12/2000 10:40:04 AM
New bridge lesson and quiz up in Chess and Bridge subthread of the Slow Thread.
780. Seguine - 5/12/2000 12:55:51 PM
Warning:
I just got an email alerting me to a Census scam in which someone calls you up claiming to need additional info for your census form, gives you your name, address, and perhaps some personal info like a maiden name, and then asks for your social security number.
Someone operating out of an apt. in Baltimore was pulling this & got arrested for it, but apparently isn't the only one working the scam.
781. marshame - 5/12/2000 3:06:31 PM
Irv
Seguine gave good advice about the nicer neighborhoods in Dallas. Is your friend coming with his family? Are they Muslim? There is a large mosque in Richardson (a suburb immediately north of Dallas). If he has family with school aged kids, the suburbs would be best (including Lakewood and Whiterock, though they are a tad expensive.) If he's single, then Turtle Creek and Oaklawn are great (and yes, Oaklawn is still the gay haven.)
782. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/12/2000 7:26:42 PM
Marsha:
That's very helpful advice. My friend is not religious, but his wife is Muslim (though I'm quite certain the location of a mosque would not be a factor in their housing decisions). They have three young children, so schools are a major consideration.
783. Seguine - 5/14/2000 12:06:05 PM
Public Email List, Update 2
Ace of Spades
Kevin_Blackthorn@yahoo.com
Adrianne
Adrianne3@hotmail.com
Arkymalarky
amalarky@yahoo.com
CalGal
the_calgal@yahoo.com
ChristiPeters
christipeters@hotmail.com
Diva
jazzdeev@yahoo.com
EricCartman
ecartman_61@hotmail.com
Indiana Jones
IndianaJones@resourceful.com
Irving Snodgrass
IrvingSnodgrass@the-fray.com
Jack Vincennes
slawyer@hotmail.com
JayAckroyd
jayac@dbsinyc.com
JJBiener
jjbiener@yahoo.com
Joezan
joezan1@hotmail.com
Judith At Home
JudithAtHome@mailcity.com
Pelle Nilsson
pelle.o.nilsson@telia.com
Pincher Martin
PincherMartin@yahoo.com
Phillipdavid
phildavid@hotmail.com
PsychProf
ozzienelson@hotmail.com
Raskolnikov
Raskolnikov123@yahoo.com
Rubberducky7
scottanton@yahoo.com
Seguine
seguine@hotmail.com
Stostosto
sto@privat.dk
Spence Mirrlees
SpenceMirrlees@hotmail.com
Tabouli Jones
scratchraster@yahoo.com
784. rubberducky7 - 5/15/2000 12:15:44 PM
785. theDiva - 5/15/2000 12:17:10 PM
Riv will be happy.
786. bubbaette - 5/15/2000 12:32:23 PM
You can still get Tab. I had a boss who was addicted to it and horded it.
787. marshame - 5/15/2000 12:41:38 PM
I thought he meant Tab Hunter.
788. rubberducky7 - 5/15/2000 12:47:36 PM
Tab Hunter?
789. marshame - 5/15/2000 12:53:50 PM
Oh rubber, you must be young.
790. rubberducky7 - 5/15/2000 12:56:14 PM
...
well, yes, you could say that.
791. marshame - 5/15/2000 1:01:02 PM
RD
Tab Hunter in 1963 with Connie Stevens in some summer blockbuster (sorry, I'm so old, I can't remember the title. But I remember the theme song: Summerplace. Ahh, to be young and blonde and in love!) It changed my life (I decided to grow my hair out so I could wear it like Connie.)
Tab Hunter is still alive and acting today - 55ish, and still ruggedly good looking. He had one of those false Rock Hudson-type voices, though.
792. joezan - 5/17/2000 11:56:53 PM
We never got a second line for our internet connection, but have been thinking about installing one of those programs that alert you to when someone is trying to call you.
I mentioned this to someone at work, and she asked "Why don't you just download Call Wave
- it's free?"
So I did. Best thing I ever got for free. It's simple, takes about 5 minutes, and works great. You download the program, and afterwards you're taken to a page that gives you the option of having them set you up with your phone company, or doing it yourself. I opted for the latter, because I knew the service was not free and wanted to know what my phone company would charge.
I'm with GTE, and it costs $1.25 a month. I was in like Flint in 2 hours.
The way it works is, when you go on-line a miniature control panel, with controls similar to an answering machine, pops up - you can move it anywhere on the screen you want. When someone calls you hear a ring. The caller is prompted to leave a message, and within a few seconds that message is downloaded to your PC, and you hear it over your speakers. It even saves the messages until you delete.
Works like a charm.
793. Indiana Jones - 5/18/2000 11:05:04 AM
794. JudithAtHome - 5/18/2000 11:14:27 AM
So what will happen at 3pm est; will the entire Internet crash?
795. Indiana Jones - 5/18/2000 11:28:44 AM
Judith: I don't think so: no matter how many people want to get to Victoria's Secret (heh), her servers can handle only so many requests.
796. JudithAtHome - 5/18/2000 11:29:58 AM
Boy, sentence #2 is loaded with meaning.
797. rubberducky7 - 5/19/2000 8:47:39 AM
New, Nastier 'Love Bug' Virus Threatens Computers
798. rubberducky7 - 5/19/2000 11:14:32 AM
i'm a self diagnosed germ-a-phobe. it is something i deal with in many ways. that being said, this Salon article did little persuade me of my fears.
My favorite quote? Simple:
Chuck Gerba can tell you the number of bacteria in the average human stool (3 trillion), the average number of toilet paper squares used by American women (7 sheets), the average amount of fecal material in the brown streaks in a pair of men's underwear (a tenth of a gram --an amount comparable to a quarter of a peanut). He knows the scientific term for the sexual organ of a salmonella (pillus), and the average time a man sits on a toilet (10 minutes, according to research done himself, using a stopwatch and a stethoscope in a men's room stall at Baylor University). Gerba knows all.
799. uzmakk - 5/19/2000 12:10:20 PM
Hey, put me on that list as haysweep@hotmail.com.
800. uzmakk - 5/19/2000 12:12:32 PM
Pelle, please erase all memory of the password from your mind. Thank you.
801. PelleNilsson - 5/19/2000 2:30:30 PM
uzmakk
Does that mean you are actually going to do something about your site? I remember certain solemn promises months ago.
802. uzmakk - 5/19/2000 2:34:47 PM
Yes. I am a slow worker, Pelle.
803. uzmakk - 5/19/2000 2:38:55 PM
But its not like I haven't been thinking about it, Pelle. I have my scanner all loaded up with pictures and everything.
804. PelleNilsson - 5/19/2000 2:39:32 PM
uzmakk
Ah, you mean the mail account. Don't worry. Gentlemen don't read the mail of others.
805. marshame - 5/19/2000 3:19:55 PM
rubberducky - ugh!
Did you ever see the Saturday Night Live skit where they sold this light that could detect fecal material? It was hilarious!
806. JudithAtHome - 5/20/2000 9:52:10 AM
marshame:
I'm sure this will be deleted but it IS of vital importance: Tab Hunter was in other movies but the one with the music you recall (Summerplace) starred Troy Donahue and Sandra Dee....
807. JudithAtHome - 5/20/2000 9:55:20 AM
What threw you off was the character played by Troy...Johnny Hunter. The movie was A Summer Place and was made in 1959; a very racy "chick" movie in my day!
808. Indiana Jones - 5/20/2000 3:31:40 PM
I'm setting up a new thread, so things may look bizarre on the Religion thread for a little while
810. Indiana Jones - 5/20/2000 3:56:44 PM
"Tunnel of Love/Tower of Lust" is open for business. I'm currently hosting it, but if anyone else is interested in taking it over, please be my guest.
Its subject matter is described in post #2.
811. Indiana Jones - 5/24/2000 7:01:03 PM
Amaxen: I received your email, but the yahoo address must have had a typo in it or something because it's not working. Since you specified you wanted your password sent to that address, I'm reluctant to send your password to your actual address.
Also, neither address is the one on your account. I think you should email me from your account address requesting your password, or I should send the password to your account address. It seems like a bad idea to send someone's password to a mailbox that I have no way of knowing belongs to them.
Sorry about the red tape. You can of course also create a new account using your new address if you no longer have access to the old one.
812. rubberducky7 - 5/25/2000 9:34:05 AM
Two Comic Related Notices:
Frank Miller writes sequel to Dark Knight!
If you've always wondered, as i have, when and where elements such as Actinium have been mentioned in 60's & 70's comic books, now is the time so quit wondering! Now you can find out!
813. PelleNilsson - 5/28/2000 6:46:27 AM
MoteStories have been updated with one story by ButterfieldSwire and two by PincherMartin.
814. arkymalarky - 5/28/2000 2:47:41 PM
That site really looks great, Pelle. It's very easy to use.
815. PelleNilsson - 5/28/2000 4:19:54 PM
Thanks arky. There are some really good stories too. Angel-Five's, for example.
816. marjoribanks - 5/30/2000 11:14:45 AM
Does anyone know a good on-line source for market research on Internet sites? Like catalogs of page views, unique visitors, etc.
817. JudithAtHome - 5/31/2000 5:51:57 PM
We're having a reverse high school reunion over in the Cafe; post your yearbook photos and join in!
818. Slackjaw - 6/2/2000 4:53:28 PM
trying out the old duds...
819. Slackjaw - 6/2/2000 4:55:35 PM
cool. they fit.
820. Slackjaw - 6/2/2000 4:57:35 PM
I think I will retire SpenceMirrlees. I like this handle better after all.
821. marshame - 6/2/2000 5:14:14 PM
Judith
You are absolutely right about my Tab Hunter/Troy Donahue mix-up. I realized it later, but no-one commented, so I figured it slipped by. But the main point was Connie Stevens' hair! Oh how I longed for that look.(not Sandra Dee, like I said the first time. She was just too Gidget-y for me!)
822. CalGal - 6/2/2000 5:25:48 PM
Slack! I missed you.
823. Slackjaw - 6/2/2000 5:59:58 PM
ha. good to be back.
824. joezan - 6/2/2000 10:22:39 PM
Anyone:
Recently I happened to notice, when I passed my curser arrow over my internet connection thingy, that I was connected at 28800 bps. Since then I have been checking frequently, and find that it varies between 26000 and 32400 - never more, never less.
Considering that my modem's speed is rated at 56 k, is this unusual? If so, what can be done to optimize it?
Thanks
825. AytchMan - 6/2/2000 10:35:03 PM
joezan--
Depends. Your modem speed will vary as line conditions change. Was your modem running faster before, say at 40K or over?
826. CalGal - 6/2/2000 10:46:04 PM
Joe,
I think it depends on the speed of the connection at the other end? I've got a 56K but I never get that speed, and I think that's what someone explained to me once.
827. joezan - 6/2/2000 10:48:22 PM
Aytchman:
Thanks...
I am embarrassed to say that I have never checked before. However, it doesn't seem to be any slower than it was 3 years ago.
BTW - whenever I'm here at the Mote it's at 28800, and I've noticed that the connection speed is consistently 26000 at another site I frequent.
828. AytchMan - 6/2/2000 10:54:22 PM
Further info (risking crossposts)--
Just because your modem is rated at 56K doesn't mean you'll get anywhere near that. It's a weakest-link-in-the-chain kinda deal (phone lines, substations, servers and all). Even if the line is well-conditioned, service can deteriorate for other reasons (like weather).
You can download some software from 3com and run a line test to see if your phone line will handle 56k. I don't have the URL handy but if you can't find it, let me know and I'll track it down.
If the test fails, you're pretty much out of luck. The best the telco's guarantee is still about 24k I think. But if the test succeeds and you can't get somewhere in the 40's at least, then there's a bunch of things you can check in your system. But try the test first.
829. CalGal - 6/2/2000 10:55:24 PM
What's the difference between Windows 98 and Win 98 second edition?
830. joezan - 6/2/2000 10:57:50 PM
Cal:
Yea - I'd considered that too. And I don't know whether it means anything, but when I click the connection icon open, I'm always receiving at a greater rate than I'm sending. For instance, right now it says I've sent 800,000 bytes, and I've received 1,1000,000.
I'm probably obsessing over nothing, I know. I've even had two internet classes within the past year, ferpetesake, and I still can't figure out why this is...
831. AytchMan - 6/2/2000 11:16:39 PM
CG 829--
Not much. Bug fixes mostly. A few new features but most of these you can get elsewhere for free. Some internal rethreading. Save your money.
832. AytchMan - 6/2/2000 11:20:34 PM
joezan--
Here's the line test eddress:
http://www.3com.com/56k/need4_56k/linetest.html
It's really worth running.
833. CalGal - 6/2/2000 11:24:16 PM
Aytch--if I don't have either yet, Edition 2 is the one to get?
I'm usually too lazy to upgrade, but the Y2K bug is still causing me grief every time I reboot, so I figure it must be time.
834. RosettaStone - 6/2/2000 11:36:17 PM
I've punished you guys enough. I'm back.
835. AytchMan - 6/2/2000 11:40:48 PM
Hunh? Why is the Y2K bug biting you? Have you gotten all the fixes? Are you sure it's Y2K? Should we move this to another thread? Will they kick Richard out next week?
Assuming prices are anywhere near equal, Win98se is definitely the choice. As I said, it's not much better but it's sure not worse. But you might want to consider sticking with Win95 until Millenium (or whatever they're calling it this month) gets here. If you pick up all the fixes for Win95, it's finally reasonably stable. The only real hole I can't fix is getting the FAT32 file storage to make a big hard disk more efficient. But there's lots of stuff you can do to optimize Win95.
836. CalGal - 6/2/2000 11:51:30 PM
I can't reboot my system anymore. It stops when it sets the time. I have to reboot it mid-boot, and it gives me that menu where I can reboot in "safe" mode? At that point, no matter what selection I make, it comes up in super large font and I get an error message saying that there is an incompatibility between my display mode and the settings. Brings up my display settings, which are what I want them to be. I hit okay, and reboot. Or not, and then shut down and reboot. It doesn't matter, because half the time that will fix the problem the first time through, other times I have to do the same thing five times.
I address this by rarely rebooting.
I checked the microsoft site for patches, but none of them seemed relevant, and many of them said DON'T APPLY UNLESS and I didn't meet the unlesses.
So when it took five times today, I said fuck it. I want a new operating system, because I'm going to give this PC to my son pretty soon, and I want it to work before then.
(pause for breath).
I don't like futzing with operating systems.
837. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/3/2000 12:00:52 AM
I don't like futzing with operating systems.
There's an easy solution for that, and all the headaches you mention.
838. AytchMan - 6/3/2000 12:04:37 AM
CG--
Go to your happy place. There. Try a couple of simple things.
First, have you reset the date format? Go to Control Panel/Regional Settings/Date and change to one of the 4-digit year formats.
Second, download the y2k patch from Microsoft and install it. They may still be listing it on the main page; I know they were. Otherwise, it's in the Win95 section. The MS site is huge and poorly organized but it's in there somewhere.
If those don't work (or you've already done them), there's several other pretty simple things to try. And you oughtta try 'em, because upgrading to Win98 is not a simple task in most cases. For a lot of reasons.
Bonus technical advice: people who leave their systems on most of the time tend to have more problems because Win9x gets more and more confused the longer it's on.
839. CalGal - 6/3/2000 12:05:05 AM
Oh, I like not being able to futz with operating systems even less.
840. CalGal - 6/3/2000 12:07:04 AM
Yes, I reset the date format and yes, I downloaded the Y2K patch. I think I even applied it.
And yes, I know that installing operating systems is icky. But as I said, I want to give this PC to my son anyway pretty soon, and I think it's best if it has a new operating system on it. I'm reluctant to put the newest version on, because it will be buggy. But 98 has been around for a bit, yes?
841. CalGal - 6/3/2000 12:08:37 AM
I used to reboot all the time. But this problem has only started since after the first of the year, and it's getting worse. I used to be able to reboot without problems one out of every three times. Then I could fix it with just one reboot. Now it takes five.
I feel some part inside of the poor baby is dying, slowly.
842. AytchMan - 6/3/2000 12:16:46 AM
CG--
Yes, Win98 has been out long enough. MS fixed over 3000 of the 200 bugs in Win95. Win98 is somewhat more stable than 95.
Sorry if I'm treating you like a novice. Long experience has taught me to start with the simple, cheap fixes and then consider the more exotic, more expensive stuff. I won't bug you about scandisk, defragging and regclean.
843. AytchMan - 6/3/2000 12:19:19 AM
CG 841--
Your problem doesn't sound like y2k. Have you checked Device Manager?
844. joezan - 6/3/2000 8:15:34 AM
AytchMan:
Thanks for the tip. I ran the test, and it reported that a 56k connection is not possible with my telephone service.
Not that I'm surprised, out here in cow country - 3 weeks ago we had a party line going for a few days with the Lutheran minister and his wife around the corner. Anyone who dialed us or the church got both places. The phone company said they really couldn't do anything till we determined who I was sharing my phone with, but at that point the connection wasn't good enough to tell. A week later I called home from work and my wife and the minister's wife answered simultaneously. The connection was finally clear enough that we could trade info, and it was finally fixed.
Oh well.
845. alistairConnor - 6/5/2000 5:53:00 PM
Linux is a good stable operating system. I'd recommend Red Hat 6.1 or 6.2.
If you must have Microsoft, NT4 is by far the stablest choice.
It's funny, from W98 I always get a 45K connection. Using the same machine, modem and ISP, from NT4 I always get 55K. ????
846. alistairConnor - 6/5/2000 5:56:30 PM
Marj, are you still looking for a web usage analysis tool?
A good one is Fast Stats, you can download it here.
It's a $100 shareware.
There are much more expensive options, but this one does nearly everything.
847. CalGal - 6/5/2000 6:04:57 PM
Alistair, I'm trying to run a perl program on a Linux box, and I can't find out where the perl libraries are? I've tried /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl. Is there a command or something that will tell me the right library?
848. alistairConnor - 6/5/2000 6:12:38 PM
You could try the locate utility : start with
man locate
You need to build its search database with locate -u or something like that, then you can go : locate [some characteristic file]
But don't count on the accuracy of what I tell you... I've been a Unix beginner for 20 years now.
849. CalGal - 6/5/2000 6:14:26 PM
That seemed to give the answer! Thanks.
850. janjon - 6/5/2000 6:14:59 PM
"Alistair, I'm trying to run a perl program on a Linux box, and I can't find out where the perl libraries are? I've tried /usr/bin/perl and /usr/local/bin/perl. Is there a command or something that will tell me the right library?
I was going to suggest the handicrafts section, but I somehow gather that you aren't talking about knitting technique.
Sorry.
Carry on.
851. Indiana Jones - 6/5/2000 9:17:40 PM
Cal: On a Red Hat Linux installation the Perl libraries default to /usr/lib/perl5.
You can also change to the / directory and do
find . -name perl
or
find . -name perl*
find's actual syntax is
find starting_search_point -name name_to_be_found
If you're looking for the binary as opposed to the libraries and you're able to run perl (that is, it executes when you type perl at the command line), you can figure out where the perl you're using is located by
which perl
(The syntax for which is
which search_term
and it returns the first search_term in your current path.)
I'd never been introduced to Alistair's "locate," which is pretty embarrassing since he calls himself a Unix beginner, though he does have more years of experience with it than me. "locate" sounds pretty similar to "find" (in Unix-talk as well as Webster's).
852. Slackjaw - 6/6/2000 4:53:01 AM
EricCartman: check the Slow Thread
853. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/6/2000 7:58:12 AM
Pincher Martin:
Please check your e-mail.
854. AytchMan - 6/7/2000 1:26:49 AM
This just in--
America The Litigial--
One Cleanthi Peters, 57, filed a $15,000-plus lawsuit in Orlando, Florida against Universal Studios for last year's Halloween Horror Nights exhibit; she said she expected it to be frightening but not that frightening.
Charles Settles filed a $2,000 lawsuit in Brunswick, Ohio in January against his son's high school baseball coach. Settles argued that, because the team was so bad (winless on the season), it lost out on an all-expense-paid trip to a Florida tournament.
855. PincherMartin - 6/7/2000 1:38:54 AM
Irv --
Coming back at you.
856. AytchMan - 6/7/2000 4:40:44 PM
CNN is reporting that the judge has ordered Microsoft to be split into two companies.
857. Dusty - 6/7/2000 8:27:37 PM
CalGal
This may not apply to you, but we upgraded to 2nd edition to get the Internet Sharing Wizard. Enables us to have three computers connected to the internet simultaneously. There are a number of other things, but I think they are all bug fixes and available online.
858. CalGal - 6/7/2000 8:52:02 PM
Thanks, Dusty. I've described this problem to a few people now, and they agree with Aytch--it might not be a Y2K problem, but a hardware problem. They recommend that I use a Norton utility to check my BIOS, or something like that.
859. Dusty - 6/7/2000 10:17:35 PM
Aytchman
I was hoping at least you would try my puzzle:
Message # 5802 in thread 29
860. AytchMan - 6/7/2000 10:49:40 PM
Dusty--
Sorry about that, I will. I saw it, couldn't work on it at the time and then thought I saw somebody post a solution. Must be those psychic emanations from the Future War thread...pounding... pounding... it never stops...
861. sakonige - 6/8/2000 1:34:16 AM
tlv
tlv
tlv
tlv
tlv
tlv
tlv
tlv
862. AytchMan - 6/8/2000 1:03:22 PM
CG--
If you're still wrestling with your mochine, I've got some ideas on how to isolate the problem.
863. AytchMan - 6/8/2000 3:12:18 PM
Jesse Berst, a very knowledgeable editor over at ZDNet, recently identified another five dot.com's that are in serious trouble: Jeeves, EarthWeb, Buy.com, FTD, and AutoWeb. Fair warning.
Berst's Report
864. CalGal - 6/8/2000 3:14:23 PM
Aytch,
Response in Tech.
And I think the dotcoms are in trouble because the source of funding (rich people with money in the stock market) is drying up. It was to be expected. And, in fact, desired (provided the drop stays controlled). Too much money makes people careless.
865. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/9/2000 9:02:50 AM
Does anyone still use the old Fray Archives site?
If not, I'd like to take it down. I've been paying for it for over a year and a half (the old place never paid me for it, though they promised to), and I'm tired of shelling out $25 a month.
If anyone is still interested in it, there are two options: 1) Someone else can pay for it, or 2) The archives can be moved to server space we don't have to pay for (Jay?).
866. theDiva - 6/9/2000 9:13:51 AM
I thought we were paying for that out of our startup $$. No? We could split the cost. I'll pick up a month.
867. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/9/2000 9:46:32 AM
Deev:
I'd rather turn the whole thing over to someone else rather than trying to find donators each month. When we first started the Mote, a bunch of people offered to pay for varying periods of hosting the archives site, but I never had time to follow up, and only one contributor actually sent any money. I'd rather unload the whole thing now.
868. theDiva - 6/9/2000 9:49:35 AM
How big is the archive?
869. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/9/2000 9:52:38 AM
Deev:
I'm not sure. I think Wabbit might know, since she was the one who maintained it. The web site itself is enormous... something like 200mb, but we only used a small part of it.
870. CalGal - 6/9/2000 10:10:00 AM
Irv,
We have all that money everyone donated; at the very least I think you should be reimbursed. If it's not all that much space, I think we could move it to our site without it bothering anyone.
871. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/9/2000 10:15:08 AM
Cal:
If those who donated money find that acceptable, I sure wouldn't mind... I've been keeping the site going as a public service (and too lazy/busy to do anything about it, until now).
How would we go about moving the site? I'm not familiar with the mechanics of it.
872. CalGal - 6/9/2000 10:22:17 AM
I don't know if there's a quick way of doing it, but I imagine it's not too terribly difficult to ftp from one site to the other.
873. CalGal - 6/9/2000 10:27:31 AM
As for whether or not the money should be used, I think more people would have a problem if it wasn't used, I think.
874. CalGal - 6/9/2000 10:28:02 AM
Gosh. I must really think that.
875. phillipdavid - 6/9/2000 7:19:02 PM
I vote to reimburse Irv with the start-up money.
And I like to have the old archive site available....lots of good stuff there. So I would appreciate it being moved rather than just dumped and forgotten about.
876. lemwalker - 6/9/2000 7:24:13 PM
The hour is at hand. For the last year, knowing that I would become Lions Club president this year, I grew a ponytail. It is about the 4th time I have gone to such lengths. Naturally the stalwart members of my club were not too happy. Just suckered 'em right in. Tonight the highest bidder, a consortium actually, gets to whack it all off. The bid was for $1000. Guess they really hated it!
877. Slackjaw - 6/9/2000 7:34:04 PM
I third the suggestion of reimbursing Irv with the money that was sent to JJ. Something has to be done with it anyway -- I also think CalGal is right about its disposition.
878. CalGal - 6/9/2000 7:39:24 PM
Hey, Lem!
Wow. If someone paid me 1000 bucks to chop off my hair.....
No, I still wouldn't do it.
879. robertjayb - 6/9/2000 10:29:03 PM
.
By all means, reimburse Irv. Never know when you'll be down and out in Bali.
880. PelleNilsson - 6/10/2000 4:36:56 AM
I want to keep Archives, even to enhance them by adding search capabilities. I agree with others above: reimburse Irv and move them to a less expensive site if found. Jay's is one alternative but we already encroach on his hospitality. Geocities provides 15 MB for free. Each additional 5 MB costs $2.50.
BTW, when looking up Geocities I saw that they now offer streaming media hosting at a start-up cost of $4.95 and $5.00 per month per 100 MB actually used. This includes something called RealProducer for putting stuff on the site.
881. JayAckroyd - 6/10/2000 10:02:05 AM
I don't have a problem moving the archives to the server here.
On streaming media, I've just ordered a new server that would be hefty enough to support that, but I haven't decided whether to use it for internet hosting.
882. CalGal - 6/10/2000 2:52:26 PM
I'll be happy to "own" the transfer--unless someone else wants to do it?
883. Indiana Jones - 6/10/2000 4:08:39 PM
Judith has indicated a lot of interest in another Jeopardy game, but since it's been only about six months since the last one, I'm not too keen on doing the exact same thing again so soon (Rask should be able to enjoy his championship for at least a year).
I have been thinking, though, that it might be good to have an online role-playing game of some sort. Trivia could still play a part in it as folks work to achieve the overall goal. It would involve some competition and some cooperation, but before I put too much work into it, I want to check the level of interest, especially since traffic has slacked off for the summer.
How it would work logistically is I'd announce a "round" of it at least a couple of days ahead of time, most likely it would require about two hours during the weekend, and it would run until either folks lost interest or the goal was achieved, puzzle solved, whatever. Since the Quiz thread is fairly slow, that's where it would happen, unless we decide we need a dedicated thread. I'm thinking of something like those "Host a Murder" parties.
So, if anyone thinks this is something they'd be interested in, please email me IndianaJones@resourceful.com, or post here. In particular, whether you'd like to participate and which of the following settings you'd favor:
1. Old West
2. Film Noir
3. Science Fiction
4. Fantasy
All ideas are welcome.
884. PelleNilsson - 6/11/2000 2:22:45 PM
Indy
I'd be interested although I guess the time difference would be problematic. My best subject would probably be SciFi unless you would consider Norse mythology.
885. JayAckroyd - 6/11/2000 3:02:28 PM
Does anyone know an internet site with baseball statistics? What I'm looking for in particular is game scores and who the home plate umpire was. I'd like to calculate umpire ERAs.
886. JayAckroyd - 6/11/2000 3:07:36 PM
I have decided to use my new server as a webserver. I'm starting to run short on space on the drive where themote is currently residing, so I'll probably move it over to there. I think that'll take about a week after receipt of the server to get it up and tested. At that point, the archive could go up there.
887. Indiana Jones - 6/12/2000 9:13:18 AM
Jay: I posted a site in 7648 in Sports that might help.
Pelle: Noted. Will have to see whether anyone else responds.
To the two folks having trouble with their Mote login, I will respond later today, but unfortunately I left your emails on my other machine and can't remember your usernames.
888. JJBiener - 6/13/2000 11:30:03 AM
As Treasurer for the Mote I concur with the idea of reimbursing Irv. If there is no objection, let me know the amount and I will transfer the funds.
889. theDiva - 6/13/2000 11:34:08 AM
seems fair to me.
890. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/13/2000 11:45:10 AM
Thanks, JJ. I'll drop you a line.
891. JJBiener - 6/13/2000 11:50:49 AM
Irv - Send it to jjbiener@yahoo.com. I don't use my other accounts much these days.
892. alistairconnor - 6/13/2000 3:40:40 PM
Pelle, if we want to add search to the archives, that's something I can do. If Jay doesn't mind running IndexServer on the box - it's probably already running there - it would only take me a few hours to set up a basic search form.
893. rubberducky - 6/13/2000 10:37:55 PM
rubberducky7 now equals rubberducky
(never did like the "7")
894. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/14/2000 6:19:37 AM
And we thought it was your lucky number.
895. theDiva - 6/14/2000 7:29:39 AM
Don't know if I've said it lately, but in any case it bears repeating.
Thanks to Jay, Connor, Cal, JJ, Wabbit for what you have done and continue to do to make this a viable forum.
896. CalGal - 6/15/2000 1:55:55 PM
Deev,
Gosh, thanks.
Indy--left you a message in Tech?
897. PsychProf - 6/15/2000 2:02:04 PM
Cal et al...same message(Diva...895) from me.
898. Indiana Jones - 6/15/2000 2:07:11 PM
Cal: Sorry, hadn't seen it but just answered. (You, AytchMan, and sakonige were into all that Windows stuff last time I checked...heh)
899. theDiva - 6/15/2000 2:07:50 PM
Egads! And Indy. How could I have forgotten?!
900. Indiana Jones - 6/15/2000 2:16:06 PM
Thanks for the sentiment, Diva, but I get much more enjoyment out of the site than effort I have to put into it. The gatekeeper has to do very little.
I'm going to be out next week, though, so make sure you don't forget your password, doll face.
901. Indiana Jones - 6/16/2000 1:16:37 PM
Starting about now, I'll likely be Moteless for the next week, so anyone locked out will have to wait (or try wabbit).
See you all later.
902. arkymalarky - 6/16/2000 1:55:20 PM
Seeya, Indy.
And I absolutely agree with Diva's sentiments earlier in Message # 895.
903. CalGal - 6/16/2000 4:00:24 PM
Is anyone reading the NY Times' "How Race is Lived in America?"
Great stuff; all of the articles are compelling reading. The first I read, today's At A Slaughterhouse, Some Things Never Die was riveting, and that got me started on the rest. Don't miss it.
904. robertjayb - 6/16/2000 5:06:10 PM
.
CalGal,
That packing plant piece is a grim one. I knew something of the ghastly working conditions but I was surprised by the rigid racial divisions.
One of the earlier pieces, "Which Man's Army," intrigued me as well. In the military I knew it was said by blacks and whites alike that for a black man to make any real progress he had to be a Super Nigger.
As the worm turns a bit maybe the crackers will now have to be "Super Honkies."
Quite a series...disturbing in a good way.
905. janjon - 6/16/2000 5:20:54 PM
The first of the series, dealing with a large and now racially mixed church in suburban Atlanta, was both acute and distressing. You got the clear feeling that in the final analysis that church would lose most of its white members, even though it has been successfully mixed for a number of years. Poignant. The one about the way race played a major factor in the roles of white and black internet entrepreneurs also was quietly sad as well as fascinating. Hard to feel terribly sorry for the black who did come out of the venture with $25 million, but the article makes it clear that in many ways that count in those leagues (image, prestige, ability to parlay that success into the next), the black got the short end of the stick. Haven't read either the one about the army or today's episode yet, but certainly will.
Pulitzer - at the very least.
906. CalGal - 6/16/2000 5:37:01 PM
What's also interesting is that Cobb (the "black" guy) agreed that the other guy should be CEO--even though he had more experience and it was his idea.
Yet his white friend (Levy) never sold him out, and they are still friends. But in looking back, I wonder if they should have realized what would happen and work towards making him more visible.
The packing plant one is amazing--beautifully written. Not so much about race as it was power, labor, corporate nastiness and government cooperation. And the illegal Mexican immigrant made less than the older black man who'd been working there two years. How'd that happen?
907. janjon - 6/16/2000 6:04:39 PM
Oh, I think it is quite clear that Cobb and Levy realized, tacitly, that their venture would have a bit easier time of it if Levy the white was seen as being the CEO. And, the article really does make it clear that Levy did his best to portray them as co-equals. With hindsight, perhaps they could have had the courage to overcome the venture capitalists convictions that it would be more difficult to sell the venture as having two heads, etc.
These articles clearly have been in the works for a long time. You don't get the consistently clear and understated writing that abounds in them without a lot of careful, reflective editing and thinking.
908. CalGal - 6/16/2000 6:11:53 PM
Well, I can see deciding to take the easy way out and having the white guy be CEO. But had they known what would have happened vis a vis perception, they probably would have done things differently. And Cobb could have done more to promote his own visibility--actually, as a successful black man in high tech, he wouldn't have had to do much in order to get a lot of press.
909. janjon - 6/16/2000 6:18:06 PM
One also wonders if either of them (or Cobb's now estranged wife) would have even wondered much about the effects on Cobb had his second venture been as successful as the first (and if Levy's had not been). Doesn't seem like it would take too much to dispel the perception at parties, civic gatherings, etc., that Levy had been the swizel stick.
Again, I won't be crying buckets of tears for Cobb. By any material measure, he's got it made.
910. CalGal - 6/16/2000 6:22:34 PM
No, but the whole point is to wonder--at least a bit--if his inability to get funding is linked to the fact that he wasn't viewed as the mover/shaker of the previous company.
That being said, I very much liked the fact that Cobb said, "Look, in the end, the product idea I had just wasn't successful." And hell, he'd already had one successful idea--it's hard to have two. It might just have been Levy's turn.
As for feeling sorry for him--he didn't take on the CEO position in a company that was his idea, even though he had more experience. He didn't do this because he ws black. I think that's pretty sad, no matter how rich he is.
911. janjon - 6/16/2000 6:30:25 PM
Well, yes, he indeed might have been able to get funding for the second venture a bit more easily if he had the instantaneous image of having been the mojo behind the first highly successful venture.
It would be interesting to have a followup article on those two in, say, about five years. I suspect both will have done quite well.
One also wonders if Levy's family connections (Rosenwald money a la Sears Roebuck), and a decision that he might have an easier time tapping same if need be as the CEO, also might have had a bit to do with his and Cobb's decision re the CEO. Nothing in the article to so indicate, though.
As for the church article - the one little simple statement, just left dangling there, that the white family was scoping out another church, said so much so elegantly.
912. CalGal - 6/16/2000 6:33:28 PM
You know, I haven't read the church one yet. I thought it would depress me, and yours and bobbyj's comments reinforce that. I'll get right on it.
913. CalGal - 6/17/2000 7:21:59 PM
BTW, I've noticed a lot of new faces lately, which is good to see, given our usual summer slowdown.
Ready Teddy, someone named Bill, Karl Northam have shown up in the past week. Mandolin and Aytchman have been around for a while now, but I wanted to acknowledge them and say how much fun they are to have around.
I'm sure I've missed some, so chime on in if I have. Anyway, welcome to you all!
914. JudithAtHome - 6/17/2000 7:33:27 PM
I second what CalGal said...welcome to the new guys!
915. seguine - 6/19/2000 12:10:07 PM
NOTICE:
Someone will be needed to replace me as host of N&Q, as I am now formally abdicating my responsibility for it.
Have fun,
Seguine
916. rubberducky - 6/20/2000 8:39:19 AM
New Virus Alert
"The e-mail message contains "funny," "life stages" or "jokes" in the subject line. The text of the message reads "the male and female stages of life," with an attachment, "life_stages.txt" or "life_stages.txt.shs.""
917. Webfeet - 6/20/2000 9:40:48 AM
I got it! I got it! I finally got the virus message!
Maybe now I'll even get called to take a poll!
918. alistairconnor - 6/20/2000 3:52:25 PM
Bibiche, you haven't really been around until you've had crabs.
919. DaveM - 6/20/2000 8:31:48 PM
S. J. Gould is giving a lecture on evolutionary biology at the Natural History Museum in D.C. tomorrow, Wednesday, at Eight pm. 13$.
920. CalGal - 6/20/2000 10:21:07 PM
I saw him when he was in SF. He's a great speaker.
921. CalGal - 6/21/2000 4:17:47 PM
Man. I know I've just said this recently (the last post is still on this page), but it bears repeating: Read the NY Times series How Race is Lived in America.
922. PelleNilsson - 6/22/2000 2:00:50 PM
I've been backtracking a bit. Doing so I took the opportunity to jot down some numbers. So here is the traffic on the Mote from May 22 to June 21.
(I put it on my site because of the pitiful limitations on tables here.)
Highlights: 9,971 posts or 332 per day. Most frequented thread: The Café.
923. JayAckroyd - 6/22/2000 2:08:45 PM
Thanks, Pelle.
Books needs a new host.
Is it easy to calculate how many unique user names posted in the same period?
924. PelleNilsson - 6/22/2000 2:27:12 PM
Jay
I started with the ambition of making a table with posters in rows and threads in columns but when I saw the volumes involved I had to give up.
I don't know what alistair can do on the data base.
925. JayAckroyd - 6/22/2000 2:30:04 PM
I figured that out when I reread your message and saw the reference to "jot." Thanks for straightening me out.
926. Webfeet - 6/22/2000 3:33:09 PM
Why is the Evil One's name still listed as thread host when she has abandoned her post?
927. Uzmakk - 6/22/2000 3:36:12 PM
The Evil One is not abandoning us is she?
928. Uzmakk - 6/22/2000 3:36:39 PM
Just leaving her post.
929. joezan - 6/23/2000 7:15:37 AM
NOTICE: Two days ago, I paid $2.18 per gallon of (regular) gas. It was the cheapest I could find. High test was $2.38 at the same station.
QUERY: What are people paying around the rest of the country?
930. OhioSTOPAS - 6/23/2000 7:21:34 AM
Here in central Ohio, yesterday I paid about $1.90 per gallon for low octane (87). There was a sharp drop of 10 or 15 cents per gallon in the last day or two.
931. joezan - 6/23/2000 7:27:50 AM
Ohio:
Thanks. My brother told me the highest he's paid (in NY) is $1.69. This is ridiculous. I was gonna drive out to NY in about a month.
Looks like I'll be flying.
932. theDiva - 6/23/2000 7:56:55 AM
Joe
That's obscene. $1.55/regular, $1.69/supreme, premium somewhere in the middle.
933. CalGal - 6/23/2000 10:01:48 AM
Now that's odd. I've regularly experienced the highest gas prices of the group of us--but now that "gouging" is going on, I'm paying less. I don't know the price for sure, but it's somewhere between 1.85 and 1.95, and that's what I was paying several months ago when y'all were paying 1.50.
At least now I know why the possibility is being reported--I couldn't figure out why everyone was bitching about price gouging when I was paying under $2.
934. rubberducky - 6/23/2000 10:23:22 AM
yeah, i was "lucky" last nite to find a shop with $1.96. bought $15 and got almost half a tank
bastards
isn't there a country we can bomb for this? sheesh.
935. PelleNilsson - 6/23/2000 10:38:30 AM
Over here it's about $4.50.
936. theDiva - 6/23/2000 11:14:36 AM
What?
For that, they should give you a driver to go with the fuel.
937. CalGal - 6/23/2000 2:57:32 PM
Hey, what the hell happened to the Newsweek site? It was eaten by MSNBC?
938. CalGal - 6/23/2000 3:12:14 PM
For those of you with kids, a good chatroom is Freezone. It is a chatroom, not a forum, but it is well-monitored for both good behavior and pedophiles.
And is there enough interest in the kids of this group to start a thread for them? There aren't any true forums out there for kids, and it might be fun for them to have a place to type something more than: statz 12/m/cal--r u there?
939. theDiva - 6/23/2000 3:15:04 PM
Well, who do we have?
Spawn, Gracie, LD, Mose. Who else has rugrats? JoeZan, Uzzles, Riv.
940. CalGal - 6/23/2000 3:27:26 PM
Irv. Ohio, I think.
941. theDiva - 6/23/2000 3:28:41 PM
Egads, how could I have forgotten Irv's kids! And yeah, Stopas has munchkins, whom I am sure he is misguidely rearing as Red Sox fans. The poor bunnies. They really need to meet Gracie.
942. Fraaankster - 6/23/2000 3:31:02 PM
And, of course, the two that I will have some day ?
I hope. :-)
943. theDiva - 6/23/2000 3:32:30 PM
But of course.
944. Uzmakk - 6/23/2000 3:58:33 PM
Having a thread for our kids is an idea worth considering, but how do we keep them off the adult threads. Too difficult? Yes? Impossible?
945. CalGal - 6/23/2000 4:05:29 PM
There's nothing stopping them from posting there now, is there? In general, I think it would be boring for them, although the ToL would be a bit problematic.
If a kid started running amuk, his or her posts could be deleted and suspensions occur just like normal--this is obviously the worst case scenario, where the parent hasn't done it first.
Incidentally, this might be a bad idea. I'm not promoting it at this point, just talking it through. Some kids might be interested in a real forum. If you've ever seen a kids chat room, you know what I mean.
946. Jack Vincennes - 6/23/2000 4:10:59 PM
I'd be interested in the feedback from motie children on rubberducky's orgy tips.
947. CalGal - 6/23/2000 4:13:14 PM
Right. Thanks for the valuable input. Someone reading in might think that we didn't screen for pedophiles.
948. Indiana Jones - 6/23/2000 4:13:18 PM
I think Ace would make a good mentor and role model for troubled youth.
949. Jack Vincennes - 6/23/2000 4:17:13 PM
Indy
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
New thread.
"Ace Talks to Your Kids"
950. Jack Vincennes - 6/23/2000 4:18:45 PM
MOTIEKID
"Ace, I'm having trouble with my girlfriend. Every since she got a boyfriend, she ignores me."
ACE
"Ignore the little whore. She's getting it and she's getting it good. Barbie doesn't cut it for her anymore. She's found her own Ken. Get over it. Assface."
951. CalGal - 6/23/2000 4:18:50 PM
Actually, that would be pretty good. Spawn could definitely benefit from someone like Ace. I dunno about the girls.
But I was thinking something more for them, although adults could answer questions or provide information if needed.
952. Indiana Jones - 6/23/2000 4:18:50 PM
(Jack's last post not to be read while drinking a carbonated beverage.)
953. Jack Vincennes - 6/23/2000 4:19:37 PM
"And your father's a freaking liberal dickweed. No wonder you're so fucked up. Now, go make an Ovaltine sandwich, princess."
954. CalGal - 6/23/2000 4:19:58 PM
And although I didn't see Jack's last post, I stand by my comment. However, I wouldn't raise a child stupid enough to earn Ace's ire.
955. CalGal - 6/23/2000 4:20:49 PM
And now, take this riff to the inferno, since I don't really feel like seeing 25 more of the same and have to link people back to the previous conversation.
956. Jack Vincennes - 6/23/2000 4:21:52 PM
MOTIE CHILD
"I just can't get these Duplo blocks together."
ACE
"What are you, a fucking crack fiend? They're blocks, for chrissakes. My God, the results of liberal America come home to roost when little Johnny gets a block wedged up his ass. Nice one, fartknocker."
957. Cellar Door - 6/23/2000 8:15:32 PM
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958. PelleNilsson - 6/24/2000 12:58:26 PM
An invitation to a competition in Stories.
959. joezan - 6/24/2000 11:30:37 PM
I dont no abot you peeple, but I been posting hear for 2 years.
Signed,
JoeZan's Daughter
960. CalGal - 6/24/2000 11:34:05 PM
hahahahahha.
Whenever Joe sounded sensible, it was you?
961. joezan - 6/24/2000 11:54:26 PM
Dad saves me for the lite werk. Like last week. he had to go outside and fix the fense so he told me to argew with this man named wizofwow. He cursed at me! But dad sed he just dont know any bedder and so he curses at evrybody.
962. PelleNilsson - 6/27/2000 1:23:26 AM
I've been in contact with stostosto. He has been a bit overworked lately but will now go on a four-week vacation. He will rejoin us when he returns.
963. Slackjaw - 6/27/2000 5:31:03 AM
Oh, I guess it won't get updated now that Seguine has abdicated but my email is slackjaw@hotmail.com.
964. rubberducky - 6/29/2000 12:33:38 PM
Query:
Going home for lunch today, i pulled the bread out of the fridge and began to ponder why it is that keeping the loaf of bread in the frig makes the loaf last longer, by weeks (which is good since i'm a bachelor and that's how long it usually takes for me to eat one), then the shelf life of a loaf of bread.
Why is it that bread lasts longer in such a fashion?
965. Indiana Jones - 6/29/2000 12:40:14 PM
ducky: My guess is (besides the general ability of refrigeration to slow down chemical processes and retard the growth of organisms) that it's the lower ability of cool air to retain moisture, meaning it can't dry out the bread as easily.
So if you put a wet wash rag in the refrigerator it should stay wet longer too.
One of the more scientific types here can probably give you a better answer.
966. rubberducky - 6/29/2000 12:49:58 PM
that's an idea
i was wondering if the cool temp made it harder for mold to grow
but i'd have no idea, but your idea sounds possible too.
967. rubberducky - 7/3/2000 11:15:12 AM
well, here's a quiz that might be a little easier to answer.
i got a 5. i never do well on these things. oh well.
968. Slackjaw - 7/3/2000 6:24:49 PM
I always wondered about that relationship between height and pay. Maybe it has to do with nutrition or something? Which would make more a matter of selection bias (men who are better nourished as young'uns tend to be both smarter and taller, say) than naked, shallow awe at a tall person.
But that quiz claims no such relationship was found in similar studies from the '70s, when I would have expected it to matter more.
Of course it also dates "Rome" to 2000 b.c., when the place didn't even exist by a long shot, and "Greece" to 2000 b.c., ages before even Homer. That tends to given me slight pause in accepting the claims of Underwire's research crew.
969. Max Macks - 7/3/2000 8:13:50 PM
Anybody called Slackjaw must have something special about him/her.
But I wonder what.?
Is the phrase " But I wonder what" a question
or a statement. ?
970. CalGal - 7/7/2000 9:31:12 PM
AIDS in Africa, Washington Post series.
It's not as intensely readable as the Times series on racism, but it's worth a look.
971. PelleNilsson - 7/8/2000 3:53:15 AM
CalGal
I didn't read the article on racisim you linked to, but the IHT later published the one on the pork factory in North Carolina. Fascinating and frightening at the same time. The AIDS series is in the IHT too.
972. CalGal - 7/8/2000 5:44:48 PM
Pelle, you can read the entire series at the Times, and I very much recommend it.
What surprises me about the coverage of AIDS in Africa--not so much in this report, but generally--is that no one comes right out and says that there really isn't a damn thing we can do about it.
973. AytchMan - 7/12/2000 12:38:54 PM
To All Citizens:
Henceforth, all N&Q posts that fail to include at least one favorable reference to the Cosmic Ruler must be submitted to the Political Compliance Committee for review.
974. PelleNilsson - 7/14/2000 7:16:08 AM
Today it is 211 years since the storming of the Bastille.
Congratulations to Alistair.
Allons enfants de la patrie ...
975. rubberducky - 7/14/2000 8:19:08 AM
IE 5.5 is out there for those wanting to upgrade.
976. Indiana Jones - 7/14/2000 8:43:09 AM
I will have limited access to the Net for about the next two weeks, so those having trouble with accounts may have better luck emailing wabbit.
977. Uzmakk - 7/14/2000 12:27:13 PM
caption for picture in my local paper, top left pg.2,
Laugh fest under way
Members of the Australian comedy troupe Chrome on Thursday play a tune on their snorkels as they help launch the Just for Laughs comedy festival in Montreal, Canada. The festival, which runs until July 23, features more than 1,500 different open-air shows by some 800 comics and performers from 20 countries.
--a public service announcement brought to you by The Master of the Blue Wolf.
978. theDiva - 7/25/2000 1:20:35 PM
Geeks
Motie e-mail address page has been updated. See the link in the Cafe.
979. theDiva - 7/25/2000 1:20:50 PM
Good God, uzmak.
980. rubberducky - 7/25/2000 1:36:06 PM
Re: Message # 975.
take it from someone who knows, you can do without this "upgrade"
981. Jenerator - 8/1/2000 11:24:29 AM
Take the Internet Addiction Quiz in the Internet Thread!! 982. Indiana Jones - 8/1/2000 11:33:39 AM
Jen: You might want to use the "News" function on your thread-hosting menu to put this info on the Welcome page. It may not be as effective, but will be less likely to draw ire.
983. Jenerator - 8/1/2000 11:37:45 AM
Indy,
I'm on a MAC and everything appears to be fine.(?) I previewed the post before posting -- everything was in order. I've tried to test for toys after the post and everything appears to be fine. I cannot see from this MAC the problem. Should I go into every thread and type something to fix the problem? If so, what should it be?
984. Indiana Jones - 8/1/2000 12:41:20 PM
Jen: Mom appears to be taking care of it.
</font> fixes the open tag.
985. PelleNilsson - 8/5/2000 3:52:31 PM
Who was Liberty Valence?
It's not a quiz; I want to know.
986. CalGal - 8/5/2000 4:00:55 PM
Liberty Valance was the character played by Lee Marvin in the John Ford classic, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
987. CalGal - 8/5/2000 4:02:31 PM
We are coming up on our year anniversary and are discussing means of publicizing it. Please check out Internet Life if you're interested.
Concrete suggestions and calls to action equally welcome.
988. PelleNilsson - 8/5/2000 4:08:24 PM
CalGal
I know about the film, although I haven't seen it. I thought he was a historical character like, say, Doc Halliday or Wyatt Earp.
989. CalGal - 8/5/2000 4:19:40 PM
I'm pretty sure not. I just checked the IMD, and researched it from there--the film is derived from a Dorothy Johnson short story. Johnson wrote a number of Western short stories and novels, including A Man Called Horse (which was also adapted for film).
I don't follow Western writers much, but Johnson has a long listing at Amazon. So I'd guess that Liberty Valance is her creation, not a real character. If he was a real person, he's not part of the standard canon.
990. PelleNilsson - 8/5/2000 4:32:17 PM
Thanks for your effort. I guess it was the unusual name that fooled me. Sounds like an itinerant preacher or something.
991. PelleNilsson - 8/5/2000 4:32:44 PM
It takes only two ...
992. PelleNilsson - 8/5/2000 4:33:19 PM
... posts to get rid of the Jenerator aberration.
993. rubberducky - 8/7/2000 8:52:56 AM
heh
Random House has announced that its latest edition of Webster’s New College Dictionary is keeping up with the times by adding an assortment of computer-and Internet-related words.
Among the cultural terms Americans will now be able to find a definitive definition for is the word “gaydar,” which the dictionary says is a “homosexual’s ability to spot another homosexual intuitively.”
994. CalGal - 8/11/2000 6:49:01 PM
JJ and Adam Selene (if you're around),
We've been talking about consulting in Employment and Careers, and given that you both are brands X and Y to my brand Z of consulting employment status (employed, running own business, and mercenary indie), I thought you could add in your two bits worth vis a vis Ducky's situation.
995. PelleNilsson - 8/20/2000 2:52:31 PM
I have started a photo gallery on my home page. It is also accessible from the butterscotch bar in the Cafe. If you have any trouble, please let me know, here or there, or here
996. PelleNilsson - 8/20/2000 2:58:59 PM
I forgot to say that currently Early life and Yemen are available.
997. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 6:43:10 AM
I have added some pics from the summer cottage and from Lebanon.
998. marjoribanks - 8/21/2000 10:04:04 AM
Very nice, Pelle. Thanks for sharing those with us. I particularly liked the early life photos. Those are some funky pantaloons you're wearing.
Also, your wife was/is very attractive. Those black and whites (especially) show someone genuinely vivacious and full of joie-de-vivre. You're a lucky fellow.
I'm idly considering putting up a similar page, especially with all the baby photos I have in jpeg format, but haven't yet figured out how to upload them to a webpage. Any suggestions on the best free and easy to use webspace around?
999. rubberducky - 8/21/2000 10:17:43 AM
Banks
I used TopCities to do WoW's fan page and liked the interface. they have an applet that will allow you to upload an impressive amount of pics at once. plenty of space, too, for the kind of site you're planning.
1000. rubberducky - 8/21/2000 10:17:56 AM
a grand
1001. marjoribanks - 8/21/2000 10:44:34 AM
Thanks, I'll check it out.
1002. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 12:37:58 PM
marj
My wife sends her regards, says to thank you and to congratulate you to the adorable little boy on display in International.
1003. alistairconnor - 8/22/2000 11:57:46 AM
Very fine pictures of you and your lady wife, Pelle. Especially with your friend Massey Fergussen.
In that vein, I may reveal that I, too, have a Swedish Partner. In fact, I took her out just yesterday. I cleaned her air filter and spark plug, treated her to some 2% mix, fitted a sharpened chain and started cutting wood for the winter.
She's noisy and she smokes too much, but I love her all the same.
1004. PelleNilsson - 8/22/2000 12:58:06 PM
alistair
I have a 13 inch Partner. What about yours? Isn't it late to cut wood now? What kind? Pine?
1005. theDiva - 8/22/2000 1:01:00 PM
I have a 13 inch Partner. What about yours?
naaaaahhhhh....too easy.
1006. alistairconnor - 8/22/2000 1:15:44 PM
To be honest Pelle, I've never measured mine...
Well I just did. 45 centimetres. About a foot and a half. Yes, mine is bigger than yours.
The wood is mostly oak, 100 years old at a minimum. Hand sawn beams and planks; dirty dusty demolition timber with lots of rusty bolts and old hand-forged square nails waiting to eat the chainsaw blade. More trouble than it's worth, but we have to do something with it.
1007. PelleNilsson - 8/23/2000 3:07:59 AM
I'm posting this in the Cafe and N & Q for maximum exposure.
Our old friend Hashke has published a new book, refer to Language for info. He sent me a copy which I received yesterday and I e-mailed a thank you note. His wife replied thus
Dear Pelle, Alan will be so glad you liked the book. He wanted to make sure you got it. Right now he is in the hospital, but I hope will be home tomorrow and I hope in somewhat better condition. He has been and still is quite ill.
We put the book on Amazon.com and if you have a chance, you might let some others on the mote know. My Best, Kaye ( Alan's wife).
1008. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 8:47:17 AM
Re the dialogue 1003-1006, name the movie:
"Fuck me gently with a chainsaw."
Please post guesses in the quiz thread.
1009. Cellar Door - 8/24/2000 12:29:40 AM
GAYS RULE!
1010. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 2:42:39 PM
Hey marshame--
Did you just become a member at epinions? If so, cool beans. Do you know anything about it?
1011. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 3:17:06 PM
Aytch
I checked out your review there too. Tell us a bit about it.
1012. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 3:43:55 PM
Pelle--
I stumbled across it a couple of months ago. The idea is to get consumers to write reviews of products and services. Each review is then rated by any and all other members at the site. The hope is that the best reviews rise to the top and this is generally the case. The site features reviews on practically everything and the best ones are quite good.
There are some interesting internal politics at epinions (cliques, revenge ratings, etc.)
The basic pay rate is from $0.01 to $0.03 per page view. Nobody's getting rich although I suspect that the prolific review-writers can pull down a hundred bucks or more a month. But I still don't have a good handle on just what's possible.
1013. CalGal - 8/24/2000 5:05:40 PM
I posted some reviews there a while ago, and have collected somewhere in the neighborhood of $2.50. But I didn't post on anything as big as Survivor--or any big movie at all, in fact.
1014. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 5:11:22 PM
cg--
Take a look at mangiotto's movie reviews on epinions. This guy's a killer.
1015. CalGal - 8/24/2000 5:13:12 PM
I think the best known guy at epinions for movies is Brian Koller, who somehow also manages to get his reviews linked into imdb.
1016. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 5:13:54 PM
A little more on epinions:
The site is pretty large. I'd guess that there are 500-1000 active writers. During the day, you can browse through the Just In section and new reviews get posted at a rate of about one every couple of seconds!
Epinions ain't perfect. Some of the old hands are torqued about the reduction of pay rates over the last couple of months. But since epinions is still running in the red, I'm not sure what else they could do. Besides, the higher rates were necessary in the early days because they were just getting off the ground. I think epinions is only about two years old, maybe a little less.
1017. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 5:16:59 PM
cg--
Interesting that you should mention Koller. He's not bad but mangiotto can eat his lunch.
You've hit on one of the big drivers at epinions. It's still far more important to have a large circle of friends than to write great reviews. Still, both are very important.
1018. CalGal - 8/24/2000 5:36:09 PM
I don't understand that business model, btw.
1019. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 5:39:23 PM
How so?
1020. CalGal - 8/24/2000 5:44:13 PM
Where does the money come from?
1021. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 5:48:52 PM
cg--
From what I've gleaned from the grapevine thus far, Epinions may be changing their business model from "internal hits" from their members to "external hits" from search engines and partner sites (like epinions.lycos).
I'm not sure this is accurate but it's what I've heard.
1022. CalGal - 8/24/2000 5:51:49 PM
Aytch,
In which case, the income of most of the writers will go waaaaaaay down.
But again--where is the money coming from? I can only think that they are using hit count to justify ad revenue, and we all know how well that has been working.
1023. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 5:52:00 PM
Their money comes from standard ad banner stuff and some sort of payback from links to other sites. But I don't think they're receiving much from this. It seems like a no-brainer to focus on external sites like lycos even if they beef up the internal model. The two are not mutually exclusive.
1024. AytchMan - 8/24/2000 6:07:31 PM
The writers have a couple of different sources of income. One gets a straight cash payoff from member hits (1 to 3 cents) plus a very mysterious Income Share which represents some portion of the external income. It's based somehow on non-member hits both from within the site and from the external links (like lycos). There's also some payoffs from referral of new members and partner sites (essentially linking in to epinions from one's home page and the like).
1025. Indiana Jones - 8/25/2000 10:45:25 AM
Would thread hosts consider deleting some of the "old news" on the "topics of interest" bar on the Mote front page?
Some of it is from '99. (I would say from the last millennium, but we have sticklers about).
1026. CalGal - 8/25/2000 1:18:08 PM
Anyone know if there's a place to find bluebook information online?
Also, I am thinking of getting a fun sporty car in the 20-30 range. They have ruined the Accord for me (sob). I was considering the Acura Integra. I just walked by the Transam Firebird, or whatever, which is exceptionally cool.
Feedback, suggestions, etc?
1027. Jonesatlaw - 8/25/2000 1:28:58 PM
CalGal- try this Kelly's Blue Book
1028. Jonesatlaw - 8/25/2000 1:31:56 PM
Calgal- here's the latest psychic way to pick the car that suits your personality-Caroscope
1029. Fraaankster - 8/25/2000 1:40:22 PM
From the, I don't care what people might think/I've come to trust the judgement and advice of the Motie gang. file:
Before I went off back east a few weeks ago, I wrote several checks which I meant to cover by transfering funds from my savings account. Well, I forgot to do that and left for the east coast without transfering the funds into my checking account, so as a consequence, about five checks bounced.
... I haven't bounced a check in some 20 years. :-(
What happens now ? Are the checks sent through again, or should I be expecting a call or letter from the businesses which I wrote the checks to asking me for payment ? Am I heading for any "nightmares" ?
Cal,
(swoon)
I just walked by the Transam Firebird...
Boy, those Rockford Files really did play with your head. ;-)
1030. CalGal - 8/25/2000 1:47:32 PM
Fraaaaaaank,
I bounce checks all the time. Never on purpose--in fact, my bank covers a huge amount of them and just fines me on the grounds that I am organizationally incompetent.
But as a result, I have a lot of experience with it.
If it's a grocery store, then run in right away with a new check, full of apologies. They press criminal charges, unfortunately. (No, this didn't happen to me.)
If it's a credit card, they'll just run it through again. No big.
If it's a mortgage payment, call and check with them. I think they generally send it back to you, and you won't know about it. Send in another check right away with late fees to cover it.
If it's a doctor or something like that, call them and ask where to send it and how much.
If it's a friend, grovel.
I think that covers it.
1031. CalGal - 8/25/2000 1:48:08 PM
Jones,
Both are great sites. Thanks!
1032. Indiana Jones - 8/25/2000 1:51:44 PM
Cal: What about a Prelude?
1033. Fraaankster - 8/25/2000 1:54:42 PM
Cal,
Thank you ( Is there any question still as to why I love this woman so much ? ) ;-)
All I received were notices with the amounts from the bank that they were returned. They didn't even list the check numbers...I'll figure it out, and no, I never write friends checks. Are you kidding ? ;-)
Time for brunch!
1034. CalGal - 8/25/2000 1:55:48 PM
I thought of the Prelude, because the old ones, at least, were a pretty car. Haven't seen the new ones--and I'm still in shock over what they did to the Accord, so I'm not sanguine.
But I've read on more than one occasion that Preludes are the weakest of the three Honda cars.
1035. ChristinO - 8/25/2000 1:58:52 PM
Frank,
You'll also want to make sure that the checks were actually returned to the merchants. Many times the bank will actually pay the check even though there aren't funds to cover it if you're a customer in good standing because they know they'll get their money out of you. There's also the fact that a vast number of checks will be put through twice before they're actually returned to the merchant as NSF.
Check with your bank to see if they paid any of the checks and then call the merchants.
1036. Fraaankster - 8/25/2000 2:00:54 PM
Cal,
I haven't read it ( I'm in a hurry at the moment ), but there is a Honda Prelude link at the bottom of this page.
You don't have to read about the male "G" spot et all ...
ttfn
1037. Indiana Jones - 8/25/2000 2:01:14 PM
Cal: I swear by Hondas. A friend of mine has had a Prelude for about 14 years, and I've had similar good experience with the cars (not the dealers, though).
(And this is from someone who believes in buy American when you can.)
A relative has an older Accord I'd love to get my hands on. She's driven it probably less than 5,000 miles/year and garaged it the rest of the time.
It's in practically mint condition.
I don't have firsthand knowledge about Preludes, but one would seem to meet the specs you're looking for.
1038. RosettaStone - 8/25/2000 2:02:16 PM
I've lost our dog.
Black cocker spanial, 4-years-old, named "Pepper." Last seen on Monday night when I came home from work and feed her in our fenced-in back yard. She's wearing all the right tags.
One of our two cats is also gone, but that happens all the time.
Called the Montgomery County Animal Shelter on Wednesay morning. No dog there. No cocker dog dead on the highway.
Waiting. Have not told the kids yet at the beach. Wife knows. Going back on Sunday for the week. Tonight I put posters on mailboxes with my neighbor's phone number on it. Why me? Why now?
BIG REWARD, IF FOUND.
1039. Fraaankster - 8/25/2000 2:03:12 PM
Oh, thanks, Christin!
Gotta start using the Mote box more often. I'll check it out. It all caught me by surprise as you can imagine.
In fact, I'm heading by the bank in a few. Thank you!
1040. CalGal - 8/25/2000 2:03:44 PM
Indy, I think Accords are the finest cars on the planet, but I am furious at them for rejecting my demographic (see the Slow thread). I would not have purchased one of their boxy, pre-1994 cars, and I won't purchase their newer models, which are boxy as well.
I like to look at my car, and get a kick out of thinking I drive something that looks cool. For five years, the Accord was a car that qualified. Sob.
1041. CalGal - 8/25/2000 2:05:28 PM
Oh, yes. That's what I was saying when I said the banks cover them. But usually that is included on the NSF notice. It will say either "The following check was returned" or "The following check was covered".
1042. ChristinO - 8/25/2000 2:23:47 PM
CG,
As you probably know everyone in my family is driving a Mistubishi. My mom and brother are both driving Mirages right now averaging about 5 billion miles a month between them. My brother's is about three years old and I don't think he's had to do anything to it other than change the oil and get regular tune-ups.
The sport coupe is the Eclipse and both Mom and Stepdad as well as a cousin have driven those and loved them. I don't know anyone driving a Spyder right now but they're pretty cool looking and I think they start around $23K.
They've got a website where you can put together all the options etc. and it'll price it out for you. Make sure your speakers are turned down though otherwise you'll bleed from the ears on the opening credits. Mitsubishi Motors
1043. robertjayb - 8/25/2000 4:45:51 PM
CalGal,
Consumer Reports (July issue) ranks the VW Passat above the Camry, Maxima, and Accord. It comes with a 2.8 V6 (190 hp) and a 5-speed manual tranny.
Zero to 60 in 7.8 seconds. My son drove one and liked it...and my cousin who married the orthodontist (thanks for reminding us, Aunt Hazel) has one, following a succession of BMWs.
1044. glendajean - 8/25/2000 4:54:10 PM
Cal -- you might check out the Ford Contour. European designed. Handles quite well.
1045. Fraaankster - 8/25/2000 6:10:06 PM
Cal,
Do it all! Find out what it will cost to insure versus other comparable models. Kick the tires. Slam the doors. Try the old Hugh Down's ball-bearing test. Test drive'em. Flirt with the salesman as you're haggling for a better price, etc., etc., etc.
For me, the most important criteria that would follow after outward design, horsepower and gas mileage, is how the interior dash is designed and set up. After all, you are likely to spend more time there -- in the driver's seat ( How old is Spawn ?) -- during the life of the car, and not under the hood or in the back seat, right ? ;-)
Is everything on the instrument panel at your disposal with handy, large easy to use knobs and buttons ? Ergonomics in other words. Does it have "idiot lights" or actual gauges that give you ample warning that your engine is low on oil or about to overheat ? Is there a place for you to place a cup of ice tea or coffee on ? Are the mirrors, or the A and B pillars in the way ?
Um...I'm sorry. I kinda got carried away there.
Anyway, you've probably thought of all of them already, right ?
1046. Indiana Jones - 8/25/2000 6:43:21 PM
Stone:
Define "big" reward.
1047. arkymalarky - 8/25/2000 9:13:52 PM
Cal,
I promise, once you drive a minivan you'll never go back to cool! ;-)
Frank, on the checks, no problem if you cover them quickly, unless you've written a $6 + change check at a certain Burger King in southern Arkansas with an idiotic manager who sends bounced checks to the prosecuting attorney and who hangs up on people when they try to politely explain that the bounce was due to a bank error, and then hangs up again when the customers call back and try to go into a rant over the phone, and who never seems to have gotten reprimanded, even though customer services for the company was called about five times....
sorry, I'm heading to my Happy Place now....
but the bank charges are murder when it isn't their fault (at least here).
1048. CalGal - 8/25/2000 9:32:54 PM
A minivan? My lord. I'd get a truck before I'd get a minivan or an RV.
But no, I want a cool car. I'm pretty sure.
1049. PelleNilsson - 8/26/2000 3:15:02 AM
It's strange that the US that is so advanced in many (most) things, is so backwards in some. I have a cheque book somewhere but I haven't used it in years.
1050. AytchMan - 8/26/2000 3:56:40 AM
Hi Pelle--
Presumably you use electronic transfers for everything? Rent, salary and the like?
I think we Yanks are a little less trusting. I'm not sure what other reasons there could be. EFT is certainly more convenient.
1051. PelleNilsson - 8/26/2000 4:42:51 AM
Yes, nowadays a lot of people use Internet banking. All the banks have it. You can also put details of your bills on a form, send it to the bank and they will be paid out of your account. An even more trusting form of payment is that you allow a company to bill your account directly (although you will be notified of the details).
1052. joezan - 8/26/2000 8:03:42 AM
Fraaaank:
... I haven't bounced a check in some 20 years.
The only check I ever bounced was to the IRS.
You wanna talk about scared!
There is a little store on the highway near here called The Pickle Barrel. They sell some groceries, do deer processing, and sell a whole lot of bait, beer, and lottery tickets.
Out front they have one of those portable electric signs on wheels, to announce specials, birthdays, EXPECTED LOTTO JACKPOT - whatever. They'll take a check from anyone as long as it's from a local bank, no ID, no questions asked.
But when they get a bad one, it's announced right up there with the lotto jackpot. Last week, the sign said RANDY ****** HAS 3 BAD CHECKS HERE!.
...Randy, as it turns out, is the owner's alky brother.
1053. CalGal - 8/26/2000 11:16:53 AM
I do almost everything online now, and it has really helped me a lot. I have had a lot fewer bounced checks, and a lot more ontime payments.
1054. CalGal - 8/26/2000 11:17:44 AM
Of course, even before I started doing money management online, I hadn't been using a checkbook for years. Far too much hassle, those things.
1055. Fraaankster - 8/26/2000 4:02:13 PM
Cal,
A minivan? My lord. I'd get a truck before I'd get a minivan or an RV.
Thank goodness you aren't leaning toward one of these things. There seems to be some cause and effect relationship going on with these things. I think they make a woman more fertile, because whenever I see one of these things, they are loaded with kids and soccer balls -- DON'T YOU DARE GET ONE !
Arky,
Burger Kings take checks ? Ouch, sounds like quite an ordeal for a couple of Whoppers. I prefer Arby's myself -- they have better curly fries and they also have rasberry ice tea. Yum, yum.
Joe,
The only check I ever bounced was to the IRS.
LOL ! Oooooooh, you really know who to bounce them to, huh ? I hope there weren't any serious repercussions over it ?
So just how far back did they research and audit your tax records ? ;-)
And remind to pay cash at The Pickle Barrel !
1056. CalGal - 8/27/2000 9:43:20 PM
All right, next car question. Man, I'm depressed.
My car got hurt last year, thanks to a pattern problem that Honda Accords suffer that they neglect to cover (and, btw, I'm annoyed by that and it's the only complaint I've ever had against them). It is running fine, and the tests say that it is okay, but the engine light is on. I can't get it to pass a smog test while the engine light is on. Even though the car is okay, the engine needs to be disembowelled at the cost of $1000 or so to find out what the problem is. The only way to make the engine light go away after that $1000--again, even though the car is fine--is to either lightly sand one cylinder to make the engine light not notice anything (cost: next to nothing) or rebuild the engine (cost: 3-5K).
I don't do used cars, period. It is time to get rid of this one, anyway. If I could find someone to disembowel the engine, find out it needs a sanding, sand it and then I can do what I like with the car, great. But if the engine has to be rebuilt (and can I say again how annoying it is that the car is running within spec but that the mere fucking EXISTENCE of that light means it fails the smog test?), then I want the car gone. I don't want it put back together, I never want to see it again.
Or I want to get rid of it as is--either by finding a buyer who knows it's a great car and can fix it themselves for cheap, or by trading it in on a new car.
Tradeins I get. But it seems to me that if I found a mechanic who buys cars that it would be worth my while to have him disembowel it, tell me how much to fix it, and either buy it from me on the spot or I pay to have it fixed.
Then I have a car with increased tradein value, or I can sell it--or keep it for a while longer until I find the car of my dreams. Whatever.
1057. CalGal - 8/27/2000 9:43:35 PM
So my question is, how do you find a mechanic like this? Do they list? Is it a matter of luck? I know they exist, because it's how I got rid of my very first car, and the mechanic who looked at my car last year and told me my options was interested. He left that shop, though, and now I don't know where to look.
1058. robertjayb - 8/27/2000 10:13:03 PM
CalGal,
seems you are not alone:
Honda engine light
1059. CalGal - 8/27/2000 10:15:49 PM
Mother FUCKERS.
1060. CalGal - 8/27/2000 10:16:24 PM
I mean, thanks.
I just thought I was fairly alone with this, and here the bastards are doing it to EVERYONE.
1061. joezan - 8/27/2000 11:19:34 PM
Get a Subaru Outback Wagon. Very, very cool car. Sharp-looking, quick, and they go forever with very little maintenance. Oh - and they're AWD, of course.
I was going to buy one in '98, but got a deal on a new Caravan that I couldn't pass up.
1062. CalGal - 8/27/2000 11:22:29 PM
A wagon? Christ. You don't mean an SUV, do you?
No, I want a sporty cool car, thanks so much. If you take Jones' quiz, you'll see my demographic mapped out before you get too far. My car is a reflection of me. Or at least the me I wanna be.
1063. joezan - 8/27/2000 11:28:24 PM
Outbacks transcend your trite stereotype of the station wagon. They are not your mom's grocery-getter.
In fact, you'd be hard-pressed to see anyone even lugging their kids around in one. They are too cool for that.
But, SUV, you ask?
Sort of.
But with good gas mileage, and a stance which takes up about as much space as your (formerly) beloved Honda.
A perfect car, really.
1064. robertjayb - 8/27/2000 11:30:04 PM
.
Well, hey! I read last week that Porsche is doubling production of 911 Turbos. Got any place you can go one-ninety?
1065. CalGal - 8/27/2000 11:31:57 PM
I might not rant as vehemently as Cart and LadyC on the iniquities of SUVs, but my heart is as one with theirs. Besides, Spawn would kill me.
BobbyJ, I can't justify Porsche dollars yet. But I'm hoping that I'll be able to manage a BMW convertible in about two more cars. Before I'm 50, anyway, I think I'll have the wherewithal to not feel guilty about it.
I did note your Passat reference, though, and although I am leeeeeery about VWs, I will be checking it out.
1066. joezan - 8/27/2000 11:45:26 PM
Cal: 
1067. joezan - 8/27/2000 11:46:16 PM
OOOops!
Sorry.
1068. CalGal - 8/27/2000 11:48:03 PM
Gawd. Maybe it's sporty for a wagon, but it's still a wagon.
I only have the one kid, for heavens sakes. And he'd kill me if I got some sort of "mom" car.
1069. joezan - 8/27/2000 11:50:34 PM
Oh, please!
Next to an Accord, this thing looks like it's doing 80 when it's standing still, ferpetesake!
1070. CalGal - 8/27/2000 11:52:37 PM
Not the Accords from 94-98. They were neat cars.
But then, the beauty of the Accord was that it was practical and looked kind of cool. But they have deliberately removed the cool factor. I weep for my loss.
It was at the outside of the cool spectrum, made acceptable by its other fine qualities. If I am to go cool on the next car, it must exceed the Accord on coolness, since it can't come close in quality.
Except for that damn engine light.
1071. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:05:25 AM
Cal:
Accords were never - do you hear me? - never, ever considered cool. They have always been, first and foremost, "practical".
Like comfy, well-made shoes.
Friggin' Californians - no sense of style.
1072. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:07:36 AM
Talk about your grocery-getters - Spawn doesn't consider your Accord cool, does he?
1073. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:11:47 AM
Um. Duh. Did you not read what I just said? I loved the Accord because they changed it from the boxy earlier style (which was dreadful) and the two door coupes were nicely shaped. It is wrong to say that the 94-98 version wasn't at all cool--it was a neatlooking car. But the whole point was that I could combine sensible with something that didn't offend my sensibilities.
Now I can't. So I'm dropping sensible and moving wholly to cool.
1074. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:16:30 AM
Yea, I read what you said.
But the Accord, regardless its shape, has always been a family car. In the automobile department, you are cool-impaired.
Trust me.
Get the Subaru.
1075. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:17:21 AM
Oh, we love the Accord. We've always wanted to go cooler, but given my intolerance for guilt, it's been the perfect way to settle. 
This is the 4 door version--the coupe is much sleeker. It's not ultra cool, but for a "sensible" car, it's awesome.
1076. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:19:33 AM
Joe,
Sorry. In a world where I can buy a Firebird, the Subaru can go sit on some dad's doorstep and look boring.
I am most certainly not cool-impaired in cars.
In fact, the Accord was so successful in keeping people from moving to Acuras that Honda deliberately boxed it out again. Which means that I wasn't the only person who found it a happy combo. Honda had to kick my demographic out, so they made it boring again.
1077. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:21:29 AM
After Firebird.....
OR an Acura, or a number of other sports cars, or for that matter I can even step into a low-end BMW, if I can bear the notion of low-end. (which I probably can't).
A Subaru station wagon? Fuck that noise, dude.
1078. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:22:15 AM
What the hell's that, the Limited Edition LA Taco Lowrider Accord?
1079. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:23:28 AM
???
No, it's the 4-door EX, I think.
1080. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:26:20 AM
What's all that crap on it?
Give me a Cavalier and 20 minutes in Conversions Plus, and I can buy enough plastic to dress it up to look just like that thing.
1081. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:34:51 AM
Well, I don't like the spoiler. Mine doesn't have it. But I'm talking about the lines in general.
Cavalier? Gawd. They're too ugly. Very boxy. I don't like boxy.
1082. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:36:51 AM
BTW, I just discovered that Accord models come in "generations". The generation I loved was the fifth generation.
Sob.
1083. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:43:08 AM
That's my point.
You see all that stuff - not just the spoiler -the ground effects, the windshield visor, the custom wheels (and, if I'm not mistaken, the extended nose)?
That's all after-market junk - the stuff kids blow 2 months salary on to look make them look cool.
My Cavalier remark refers to the fact that once you put all that staff on, the actual car is indistinguishable.
Do you realize how many BMW 5 series cars you see that are actually late 80's-early 90's Nissan Maximas?
The Outback was born cool.
1084. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:44:00 AM
Ignore the first look...
1085. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:45:13 AM
...come on - just 2 more posts and these margins are fixed.
1086. joezan - 8/28/2000 12:45:40 AM
..for me, anyway.
1087. PelleNilsson - 8/28/2000 12:39:16 PM
CalGal
I drove an Accord like the one in your pic during our last stay in Jordan. All-black, all-cool.
If you go for a BMW you simply must have a 6-cylinder, else why bother? The smallest of these is called 320 here in Europe. I had one and I loved it.
1088. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:43:44 PM
Pelle,
Yes, that is my issue with the BMW. I don't want one that's so low-end I feel like a cheapskate. I'd rather get a high end model of something less expensive. I'll be pricing them.
But I still need a solution to my other problem--how do I get rid of my current car or figure out what is wrong with it? Where do I find mechanics like that?
1089. PelleNilsson - 8/28/2000 12:49:37 PM
CalGal
Can't help you there. I missed the origin of this discussion so I have no idea what your problem is.
1090. CalGal - 8/28/2000 12:54:29 PM
Pelle, see Message # 1056.
1091. rubberducky - 8/28/2000 1:32:55 PM
disconnect the light from the dash
hey, not ethical, but it'll get you past that stupid CA inspection
1092. CalGal - 8/28/2000 2:02:12 PM
I've already thought of that, but it's impossible to reach.
1093. PsychProf - 8/28/2000 2:05:47 PM
The Outback is a very popular model for college students. Lucky them...
1094. Thoughtful - 8/28/2000 2:09:13 PM
I have a '99 Acura 3.2 TL and I just love it. Best car I ever owned. It's bigger than what I was used to, but it has an incredibly tight turning ratio, most definitely a plus for someone who spends as much time as I do parking in shopping center lots. Many wonderful features and yet the price was quite affordable. And no Firestone tires! }:-)
1095. CalGal - 8/28/2000 2:20:50 PM
Thoughtful, the Acura is at the top of my list. I was amazed at how affordable it is.
But I tell you, the Pontiac Firebird, or whatever, is way cool.
1096. Thoughtful - 8/28/2000 3:09:40 PM
I will never buy another GM product after our olds cutlass started falling apart at age 3. I try to avoid all american made cars. My Mercury tracer is an excellent vehicle, but it's really a Mazda made in Mexico. My Acura has been flawless and the care it receives from the service dept is terrific. I'm a very happy customer.
1097. CalGal - 8/28/2000 3:15:32 PM
Yes, I know. In the end my bias against American cars will undoubtedly win out. Besides, even with Honda's failure on this engine light thingy, I love their cars.
On the other hand, I never like keeping a car more than three years. (g)
1098. glendajean - 8/28/2000 3:19:59 PM
When I lived in DC, our Honda flunked the emission test. We took it to the dealer, and they found no problem. They asked us if we had idled a long time before the inspection. Yes, we had sat in line for about an hour (non untypical for DC which only has two inspection stations for the entire city).
They told us to put an engine cleaner in, drive out on the freeway for an hour or so, and especially don't idle prior to inspection.
We passed easily.
The next time inspection came around, I went to the local auto parts store to find the cleaner to put in the car. The clerk pointed to something called "Pass Inspection" or something colorful to that effect. "All the cabbies use it," he said. If you've seen DC cabs, you know that they are often old wrecks kept together by wire.
We passed again.
1099. PelleNilsson - 8/28/2000 3:23:16 PM
CalGal
ducky makes sense. You must be able to find some shady workshop that can dismantle the dashboard and disconnect that light.
1100. CalGal - 8/28/2000 3:28:43 PM
GJ,
But my car runs clean. It's the damn light.
Pelle,
Yes, that's what I'm thinking. But how to find such a person? ANd would that person also just buy my car off of me? I know they will use the light against me in a tradein.
1101. PelleNilsson - 8/28/2000 3:45:00 PM
CalGal
That light is turned on by some electronic box. Suppose that's where the problem is, not in the engine?
1102. joezan - 8/28/2000 6:32:36 PM
Cal:
Disconnect the light.
This won't help, but in a related story:
My favorite car ever was a 1978 Celica GT, which I bought used in '81.
This was the the second year of the second generation Celica (previously they'd resembled miniature Mustangs), and it was the only year they made the famous "California-style" nose - no grill, with the hood curving down between the two sets of front lights.
Very cool.
Anyway, the car was great - dependable, fun to drive, quick. After two years, however, it wouldn't pass emissions. I brought it to a couple of places, and they tried some things that didn't work. Now, I'm past the test date, and forced to drive my beater - a '72 Dodge Dart.
Not cool.
So I call my cousin Angelo, who can swindle a rat out of his cheese.
Set da fuckin' idle at 2500 RPM, go pass da test, and call me in da mawnin', he says after about 2 seconds.
So I do.
I turn up the idle, go rolling into the inspection station doing 30 MPH without my foot on the gas, and I'm squealing my brakes just trying to slow down.
Idle's up kinda high, aint it? asks the mechanic.
Yea, well, um... she's running rough and I hadda turn it up so she won't stall...(gulp), I reply.
Hokay, bring her in, he says.
Bingo.
I pass.
1103. MsIvoryTower - 8/29/2000 9:22:20 AM
Entering this discussion late, but hey....
Calgal, re: Acura's.
Contrary to Thoughtful's experience, my Legend was a nightmare. I bought it in 1990, took excellent care of it, but at around 50,000 miles it began having major problems. I ended up spending over $5,000 in repairs before I finally realized that this "wasn't" a good car, and I needed to replace it. I bought my Rav4 at the end of 1998, traded my Legend in for $4,500 and was glad to have gotten rid of it.
By the way, the final insult was that I'd spent over $1,000 that summer trying to get rid of an erratic overheating problem and it still wasn't fixed when I traded it in. The car was 8 years old, but only had 76,000 miles on it when I let it go.
FYI, I will never buy another Acura product again, and will not consider a Honda for many years to come.
1104. Uzmakk - 8/29/2000 11:31:28 AM
The Suburu Legacy Wagon is the Ultimate in cool cars. Naturally I own one. All wheel drive, 2000lb towing capacity, visible coolness factor - high enough.
1105. theDiva - 8/29/2000 11:45:14 AM
The Lord of the Steppe returns. His people rejoice.
1106. Thoughtful - 8/29/2000 11:54:04 AM
calgal, I missed the "light" issue, but check the owners manual...sometimes there's a way to reset maintenance check lights or some such things.
1107. bubbaette - 8/29/2000 12:28:00 PM
I have a 94 Mustang with near 80,000 miles on it. Mike changes the oil twice a year and the dang thing runs like a sewing machine. I don't think he's even had to tune it. Never had to have any repairs made to it, though the clutch is a little balky going into reverse.
1108. joezan - 8/29/2000 10:25:43 PM
Oooh...
...that reminds me.
Cal, if you're even considering a Firebird, go look at a Mustang. If you're willing to part with a bundle (but less than a low-end BMW) the Mustang Saleen is about as cool as you can get.
1109. CalGal - 8/29/2000 10:31:26 PM
Thanks for all the feedback, but right now I'm in the middle of having an anxiety attack because I don't know what to do with this car.
Worrisome.
1110. EricCartman - 8/29/2000 10:37:09 PM
Those new Firechickens and Mustang Celines are very cool looking, but they're about as practical for real-life stuff as a Corvette or a Porsche. Not to mention how much they'd whack you for registration in CA.
Still, if you also own a small truck for getting groceries and such, those sports cars are indeed sweet.
1111. joezan - 8/29/2000 10:38:17 PM
I hear you.
And, on second thought, disconnecting the light is not a wise idea if you're planning on selling. Anyone with any brains will notice its absence as soon as they start the car.
I don't suppose you have some trusty neighborhhood mechanic you occasionally use?
Nah - you probably use the dealership faithfully, huh?
1112. CalGal - 8/29/2000 10:43:58 PM
I rarely go to mechanics or dealers. My cars don't generally give me any trouble. I'm a bitch on brakes, and run through them rapidly, but that's about it. That's why I feel such a sense of betrayal.
1113. joezan - 8/29/2000 10:56:30 PM
What it sounds like to me is you need to adjust your engine to burn a bit leaner - but just to get you through the inspection.
Of course, back in '78 cars still had carburetors, so it was a simple matter of turning a screw. With electronic fuel injection it's a whole nother ball game. But it can be done. And un-done.
I know this sounds crass and, um, un-pc - but you could probably get something like that done at a repair shop in a Mexican neighborhood. They'll charge you what they feel like charging you, but it'll be a whole lot cheaper than the alternative.
Just go in, explain your problem, and innocently mention that someone told you that there is a little adjustment that can be made...
1114. joezan - 8/29/2000 11:08:08 PM
Oh! And now that I think of it, have you tried any of those gasoline additives that clean out your fuel injectors?
They build up crap in them, and after awhile this can screw up your mix.
Try it - it'd be a very cheap fix if it works.
1115. arkymalarky - 8/30/2000 7:08:36 PM
I always thought my Saturn SL2 looked cool, and my kids liked it--I could have sold it to one of them if the engine hadn't blown up. It was a practical and comfortable car.
One of my students got a brand new Mustang ragtop convertible last year and I had to drive it this summer, just up the street to pick up some pizza, and I couldn't see a dadgum thing. I would hate to have to drive it full time. I guess you get used to it, but I was claustrophobic. The Saturn had much better visibility.
On engine lights, inspections, etc, AR doesn't have inspections any more, but with so many little rural shadetree-type stations inspections were a joke anyway. A former principal of mine used to drive a ragged-out old Datsun to work which had a windshield that looked like a rip-rap rock had been dropped on it--completely shattered from side to side and top to bottom--and he always passed inspection. Can replacing an air filter make an engine light go off? Ours has been on since we were in CO, but as I said, with no inspections, who cares? I'll get to it when I get my four months late state income tax filed and my one month out of date drivers license renewed.
1116. Jonesatlaw - 8/31/2000 5:06:57 AM
CalGal- for cool the Outback is a good choice. The PT Cruiser has cool written all over it. It is one of the coolest looking things to hit the road in years. If you want to take it a notch higher- get a flame paintjob and a turbo. You'll still spend less than a Firechicken, and have coolness and practicality in spades.
1117. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/31/2000 5:11:14 AM
Arky:
I live in a third world country, too (like AR), and we don't have vehicle inspections, either. I wish we did, though, because the streets are infested with those James Bond buses (the ones emitting smoke screens and oil slicks).
1118. arkymalarky - 8/31/2000 7:00:28 PM
Haha.
"I wish we did, though, because the streets are infested with those James Bond buses (the ones emitting smoke screens and oil slicks)."
We had those when we had inspections, except here we call them billet trucks. They just knew what "qualified" mechanic to take them to. At least they kind of act as a combination insecticide/defoliant (very handy in AR). Now without inspections it's just sort of like we've dropped the pretenses, though actually a policeman can stop anyone for anything like that and ticket them. I'm sure that as often as I see those billet-haulers being stopped by policemen on the road (read, never) they must have to pay piles of tickets. Must be what's keeping them from being able to afford to get those rattle-traps fixed.
1119. phillipdavid - 9/1/2000 12:06:34 AM
Does anyone have the text for the J.R.R. Tolkein poem Mythopoeia? Rivendell posted it several years ago, and I thought I had saved it...but, alas, I can't find it now and sure wish I had it.
1120. robertjayb - 9/1/2000 12:29:26 AM
.
phillipdavid,
try this: John Ronald Reuel Tolkien
1121. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 3:16:20 AM
Courtesy of the CIA a handy table for conversion between the metric and imperial systems. It includes some of the more unusual imperial measures too (like hand=4 inches, used to measure the height of horses).
1122. benwolf - 9/1/2000 3:35:03 AM
John Ronald Reuel Tolkien
http://www.elformen.hotmail.ru/Mythopoeia.html
The Web page could not be displayed
1123. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 3:36:20 AM
It worked for me (just before I posted #1121).
1124. Stumbo - 9/1/2000 3:43:40 AM
This brings up a question that has bothered me for a while.
Every place I've looked, the inch-to-centimeter ratio is given as 2.54 -- only 3 significant digits. Since the two measures evolved independently, this seems like more than a coincidence. (Compare, say, pounds vs. kilograms: in either direction, a lot more significant digits are provided.)
Exactly when did inches get rounded off in metric terms -- and, more interestingly, why weren't pounds and the like rounded off at the same time?
1125. Stumbo - 9/1/2000 3:44:55 AM
"This" = #1121.
1126. Stumbo - 9/1/2000 3:59:16 AM
(Perhaps some other unit of weight -- equalling either n pounds or 1/n-th of a pound, for some integer n having a prime factor other than 2 or 5 -- got rounded off instead. But if so, what is it?)
1127. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 5:00:29 AM
Stumbo
It's unfortunate that you should have mentioned this, because now I'm bothered too.
I prefer to think that it's coincidence, i.e. that the "true value" is something like 2.540135..... If not it is by intention. Since the centimeter is immutable, this implies that, at some point in history, the inch was redefined, meaning essentially that the imperial measures became defined in terms of metric units. I see that as unlikely.
1128. cmboyce - 9/1/2000 12:11:08 PM
The MacMillan Dictionary of Measurement (one of my favorite reference books), consistently refers to an inch as = 25.40 cm, though of course this doesn't preclude Pelle's "2.540135..... ", in fact, imo, it makes it more likely.Going the other way, it declares a cm to be 0.3937008 (at least as unlikely to be a completed number, I'd guess), which, multiplied by 2.54, does yield exactly one.
Probably just part of the conspiracy, though.
1129. phillipdavid - 9/1/2000 12:18:02 PM
robertjayb,
(and benwolf)
Thank you so much!
1130. PelleNilsson - 9/2/2000 7:46:43 AM
TableTalk is down.
1131. dusty - 9/2/2000 8:50:41 AM
TT is back up
1132. OhioSTOPAS - 9/2/2000 9:37:45 AM
Hi, Dusty, wherever you are!
1133. CalGal - 9/2/2000 9:43:20 AM
Ohio,
I was flying home from Columbus yesterday, and on the first leg sat next to a blonde woman who was going to California to visit her sister. We both dozed most of the flight, but chitchatted back and forth throughout.
When the flight ended, I said it was nice to meet her--we exchanged names and then I asked where she worked. She worked at a bank and the name sounded very familiar. Then it clicked.
I said, in astonishment, I know a guy who works there! I gave her your name and she described you (young Sean Connery) and I said that's him! And she knows you, too! She hasn't worked with you directly, but other people on the staff.
Her name is Gail.
Put that in the category of very small world, huh?
1134. OhioSTOPAS - 9/2/2000 9:48:55 AM
(in Mel Allen voice) How about that!
1135. CalGal - 9/2/2000 9:57:01 AM
Gosh. I expected more fuss than that. How about being impressed that I remembered? (sniff)
1136. OhioSTOPAS - 9/2/2000 10:04:28 AM
Hey, I don't do my Mel Allen impression for just anyone!
(By the way, I hope you told Gail that I NEVER post to the Mote during business hours!)
1137. CalGal - 9/2/2000 10:13:25 AM
I didn't even mention the Mote. I figured it was safer to let her think we were having an affair.
1138. OhioSTOPAS - 9/2/2000 1:55:45 PM
Ha! Good thinking.
And thank you for diminishing your reputation to enhance mine!
1139. AceofSpades - 9/2/2000 9:12:07 PM
Football Pool
Well, Opening Day is here and we don't have a Football Pool going yet.
But everyone who's interested should check here and the Sports Thread for updates & etc. Hopefully we'll get it all together by next week.
1140. EricCartman - 9/3/2000 7:49:45 PM
You know, I've been wondering if we were going to do that this year. Participation was spotty last season, which can be frustrating.
1141. Dusty - 9/6/2000 2:04:55 PM
TT is down. Yet again.
Are they up more often than they are down?
1142. theDiva - 9/6/2000 2:11:57 PM
(decides not to make the obvious and tasteless joke.)
1143. JudithAtHome - 9/6/2000 2:15:57 PM
Dusty:
It's not down for me....I've been posting off and on all morning.
1144. Dusty - 9/7/2000 11:10:33 AM
JudithAtHome
My bad. There was some sort of problem - my link returned a page with a single character on it, but I made the mistake of simply trying to refresh the link, instead of trying again. Immediately after posting the notice, I tried a new attempt rather than a refresh, and it worked.
1145. CalGal - 9/7/2000 11:18:44 AM
Hey, I've never moved posts before. How do you indicate what thread you want them moved to?
1146. theDiva - 9/7/2000 11:21:01 AM
isn't there a list with the destination threads?
1147. CalGal - 9/7/2000 11:22:34 AM
Oh, fer crissakes. I'm the worst goddamn user on the planet.
1148. theDiva - 9/7/2000 11:22:57 AM
hahahahahaha
1149. CalGal - 9/7/2000 11:23:11 AM
That was a cranky thanks.
Actually, it is a bit confusing, because the error message takes you to a different page. Had it just stayed on the page, I would have figured it out.
1150. CalGal - 9/7/2000 11:24:32 AM
One other question--if you move a series, does it stay in order? Or should they be moved one at a time?
1151. rubberducky - 9/7/2000 11:25:37 AM
they stay in order
1152. theDiva - 9/7/2000 1:07:32 PM
"That was a cranky thanks."
I figgered.
1153. DocBrown - 9/7/2000 3:48:48 PM
I got no takers in the One Year Anniversary thread, so I'll ask here:
Does anyone know a good resource for information on Internet Ettiquette?
How about Internet Ethics?
I need the information because I am teaching my engineering class the basics of Internet life. When I turn them loose doing web research I want them to stay out of trouble.
I have found a handful of sites using search engines, but I am not satisfied with their quality and relevance.
1154. Wombat - 9/7/2000 3:53:34 PM
Back when I was checking out user groups (in 1996) there were a number of netiquette FAQs. Since the level of discourse made Table Talk look like a collection of Nobel Prize winners, I haven't been back, and do not know if they still exist. It might be worth a try.
1155. CalGal - 9/7/2000 3:57:02 PM
There is no absolute on Internet etiquette, is there? Generally, every site will have a link like our RoE that describes the standards for that site. It won't help much, but it will be a place to start.
1156. CalGal - 9/7/2000 3:57:25 PM
Oh, and Internet Policies would be a fascinating course, I think.
1157. DocBrown - 9/7/2000 4:22:41 PM
Wombat, where?
CalGal, thanks. Did you come up with a solutiojn to your car problem?
You might want to go to the Car Questions booth at CarTalk. There are lots of shadetree mechanics' brains to pick there.
1158. Wombat - 9/7/2000 4:34:44 PM
I'm sorry Doc, they were called newsgroups. One used to be able to go directly to them on the older versions of Netscape. I have no idea how to do it now.
1159. CalGal - 9/7/2000 4:53:07 PM
Doc,
Car update: I couldn't get rid of my car with the engine light on, so I bit the bullet and called three different mechanics. Took it in yesterday and the damage apparently will only be $1300. They thought they were giving me bad news, and were confused when I said, "Wow! Really? That's fantastic!"
Bad news is that I'm coping without a car for five days.
1160. robertjayb - 9/7/2000 6:12:43 PM
.
Geez!
I hope that at least you got an Al Gore style smooch.
1161. CalGal - 9/7/2000 6:15:09 PM
Well, I had been told by everyone else that the only way to fix it was to rebuild the engine, for 3-5K. The car was hurt last year when the balance shaft seal came off--I knew that fixing it would require engine work, which is always expensive. So I figure a thousand is getting off light. Plus, I can then drive it for a while and replace it when I'm actually ready to. I had originally wanted to try to keep it for five years at least.
1162. stostosto - 9/7/2000 6:18:23 PM
Cal
Bicycling is good for you. I go to work by bike every day. And you know how extremely fit I am.
1163. CalGal - 9/7/2000 6:26:17 PM
I am going to try it tomorrow. I had a 10 o'clock meeting today--or was supposed to--so I cabbed it again, which is absurdly expensive.
1164. robertjayb - 9/7/2000 7:02:13 PM
.
CalGal,
So I figure a thousand is getting off light.
Probably so. I was thing it was a sensor/fuel system problem.
1165. robertjayb - 9/7/2000 7:03:18 PM
.
Thinging, that is.
1166. AceofSpades - 9/10/2000 12:23:39 PM
Spreads for this week's football pool have been posted in PP's Sports Bar.
You've got thirty-three minutes left to make your picks.
1167. PelleNilsson - 9/10/2000 4:11:49 PM
This is for Moties who whish to publish scanned pictures, documents from subscription sites. and what have you, and who have not gone to the trouble of registering with Geocities or a similar site.
I have opened an account with Geocities for all Moties.
URL: www.GeoCities.com
Identity: themoties
Password: kissme
Open the File Manager to upload your files. I suggest you create a personal sub-directory so that not everything gets mixed up
If you want assistance send me an e-mail
1168. Indiana Jones - 9/13/2000 12:37:59 PM
Both Pelle and ChristinO have signed on as Mote moderators to assist wabbit.
1169. CalGal - 9/14/2000 5:43:21 PM
MY CAR IS READY!!!!
And it passed the smog test, which they did without me asking. Lordy, it might be a good day!
1170. Don S. - 9/14/2000 11:53:12 PM
Well, I can't top that last announcement for relevance, but here's mine:
I am now in synch: Don S. here and in TableTalk.
Happy reading!
1171. joezan - 9/15/2000 12:07:51 AM
Cal:
Hey - did I miss something?
What'd they do?
What'd it cost?
Did you take it to a Mexican chop shop, like I suggested?
1172. CalGal - 9/15/2000 12:20:11 AM
No, I couldn't take it to a chopshop. I didn't know where any were, and I'm not the sort who looks shady enough for people to volunteer the information.
I ended up finding a mechanic (see 1159). It turns out that when my balance shaft seal fell off last year, some hmm..rapidly moving part heated up a bit much because there was no oil for lubrication? But if it was bad, it would have fused and stuck. This didn't happen, jsut a bit of it broke off. So the exhaust was inefficient, maybe?
Anyway, they said that they couldn't guarantee that the "engine bottom" wasn't damaged--in order, when you lose your oil immediately, the engine clanks, then this problem happens, then the cylinders scratch. So they were surprised to see problem 2 without problem 1. But since it was just a tiny chunk of the cylinder, they said it's probably fine.
1173. joezan - 9/15/2000 12:27:16 AM
Cal:
And it passed the smog test, which they did without me asking.
You might consider having that smog test somewhere else before your guarantee on the engine work is up (probably 30 days).
1174. CalGal - 9/15/2000 12:29:59 AM
Well, they didn't guarantee the "bottom", whatever that is.
1175. joezan - 9/15/2000 12:52:21 AM
Cal:
No - what I'm saying is they knew you were having problems passing the smog test. Their explanantion of why that happened sounds logical, since you'd be losing compression and blowing oil with a scratched cylinder.
It's just that anyone can slap an inspection sticker on your window and tell you that you passed. You didn't happen to mention that you were thinking of selling it, did you?
1176. CalGal - 9/15/2000 12:56:11 AM
Honey. This is California. They hook the car up to a computer and the results of the test are automatically sent to the DMV. No slapping of a sticker.
1177. joezan - 9/15/2000 12:58:20 AM
So they couldn't, say, hook up a different car to the computer and render a good reading, then slap the sticker on your car?
1178. CalGal - 9/15/2000 1:05:56 AM
There's no sticker. And no, they couldn't.
Besides, this is a chichi Honda mechanic shop. You should have seen their front office.
1179. joezan - 9/15/2000 1:12:30 AM
Cal:
I don't understand. What I hear you saying is that this smog test computer somehow uniquely identifies your car.
Sticker or not, this would require a technology in the car's computer system that was not widely available a few years ago. How could an older car - say, pre-'90 - pass the test?
1180. CalGal - 9/15/2000 1:18:37 AM
Joe,
I imagine they type in the VIN and the type and such. I know that there are probably smog checkers who are, er, generous. But I'm pretty sure that car swapping isn't generally done. I know for sure it isn't done on newer cars, so for me it's a moot point.
1181. joezan - 9/15/2000 1:22:26 AM
Well okay then.
But sell it pronto.
1182. joezan - 9/15/2000 1:23:27 AM
I'm off to bed.
G'nite, all.
1183. PelleNilsson - 9/18/2000 3:03:36 AM
In my first act as vice moderator I have made RickNelson host of Poetry. He volunteered some time ago to general support. I guess it was forgotten in the general anniversery excitement.
1184. Indiana Jones - 9/19/2000 9:20:26 AM
I like the title "vice moderator" but wouldn't "moderator of vice" add clarity?
1185. PelleNilsson - 9/19/2000 1:13:31 PM
Why go for the bitter cup of clarity when the sweet drink of ambiguity is there?
In my second act of vice I will purge obsolete news items. This will take place in one hour from now, during which time pleas for mercy will be entertained.
1186. PelleNilsson - 9/19/2000 3:32:43 PM
Purge accomplished. Thread hosts are encouraged to add fresh news items.
1187. Indiana Jones - 9/23/2000 12:20:19 AM
My email account seems to be on the fritz, so here are responses to some Mote emails I've received.
Nostradamus: Your account appears to be working.
ReimerReason: Please email me the username you used to register. I don't see that handle in the list.
Joezan: Assuming your friend is someone other than ReimerReason, please have her email me.
BTW, it is likely I will be offline for several days soon. I will try to post a warning but may not have the opportunity. So if someone has a password "emergency" you might try one of the other volunteers.
1188. joezan - 9/23/2000 12:22:41 AM
Thanx, Indy. I was just coming in to ask...
1189. rubberducky - 9/24/2000 12:31:56 PM
Re:Message # 1185, PelleNilsson.
In my second act of vice I will purge obsolete news items.
just a question. i've been waiting for you to delete this on your own, but you don't appear to want to. so, the question is this, why is The Extremely Concise History of the Pathans link still in the Topics of Interest listing when it is something from the archives?
how is that not "obsolete"?
1190. PelleNilsson - 9/24/2000 2:01:45 PM
duckyboy
It is indeed obsolete. I did not delete it because of sentimental reason and because, by clicking, curious newcomers can enjoy some of the best travel writing we've seen here.
1191. Nostradamus - 9/24/2000 2:03:20 PM
I think this pseudo-worship has gone on long enough.
If you want someone to worship, worship me, Baby.
1192. rubberducky - 9/24/2000 4:56:09 PM
i see, Pelle
thanks for answering, i assumed it was sentimental
1193. Indiana Jones - 9/24/2000 6:02:30 PM
Fellow Motiers, as I've been hinting at for a while now, I will have to take an indefinite hiatus from the Mote.
I would like to request that someone else take over the gatekeeping ASAP and hereby relinquish my hosting of Tunnel of Love/Tower of Lust.
I've enjoyed reading the thoughts of many of the people here, you're quite a bunch of folks, and a few of you I'll truly miss. I hope that should the day come when I can pass this way again, the Mote will still be here, and I'll find at least one or two of the old gang still posting. If not, at least we'll always have Paris.
My IndianaJones@resourceful.com address still works, should anyone need to contact me for any reason until then. (Like should you all decide to shut down the place and have a yard sale on butt-waxing equipment and the girly posters in PP's Sports Bar.)
Diva: I'll be sending you an email via your registered Mote address, so be looking for it.
To the rest of my fellow Motiers, in the words of the great RN, we don't really a good word for it in English, so au revoir.
1194. Nostradamus - 9/24/2000 6:05:14 PM
Well, since Indy so graciously offered to take Religion from me when I was being fucked with, I'd be happy to return the favor now that he's off to greener pastures.
1195. rubberducky - 9/24/2000 9:14:06 PM
i'd 2nd that
two reasons: (a) Tower/Tunnel has been practically host-less for weeks now so it couldn't possibly be any worse and (b) i'd like to see more of this "wit" i've heard so much about (all from Nos, of course).
1196. CalGal - 9/24/2000 11:24:08 PM
The last time Nos hosted a thread he decided to delete every post of one particular person and refused to stop, even when asked not to. He then left in a huff and a pout when he was suspended for a day.
1197. SnowOwl - 9/25/2000 12:04:49 AM
I'm sorry to see you go, Indy, and I wish you well in whatever you're doing. I hope you'll be back in the not too distant future.
1198. Nostradamus - 9/25/2000 12:04:53 AM
I was told when I was given the thread that I would be given broad discretion/editorial control including the right to ban specific posters. I exercised that right and was suspended for doing so. I left in a huff because I was suspended without cause and both the thread in question and a completely unrelated subthread I hosted were taken away from me. If the current Mote policy is that NO host is allowed to ban specific posters from his/her thread, I will happily abide by that policy but it was certainly NOT the policy at the time.
1199. Nostradamus - 9/25/2000 12:07:18 AM
At any rate, subsequent events have largely removed that problem and the poster in question (Rosie) and I have no more than a slight degree of antagonism towards one another.
1200. Nostradamus - 9/25/2000 12:12:46 AM
At any rate, that decision wasn't debated in the Mote, it occurred after an extensive email exchange between wabbit and myself. If anyone wants to read that exchange so that you may judge for yourself, email me at jonathanferguson@sprint.ca
1201. Nostradamus - 9/25/2000 12:13:37 AM
At any rate.
==):-)
1202. joezan - 9/25/2000 12:25:56 AM
Hey, Indy - take care, and come back soon.
Excellent job.
1203. CalGal - 9/25/2000 12:30:14 AM
1198 doesn't contradict anything I said. (It's odd, isn't it, that no other thread host thought they had such broad powers that included banning someone?)
While it may or may not have been a grey area about thread hosts being able to ban people from their thread, the fact is that you \eren't suspended for deleting every post, but for continuing to do it after you were told not to by the forum moderator.
That you now get along with Stone is irrelevant, since it doesn't eliminate the possibility that you might decide to ban some other person from your thread.
So no, I don't think that subsequent event have removed the "problem"--which wasn't that you didn't get along with Stone, but that you abused the role of thread host, argued about it, and then refused to acknowledge or acceded to the decision of the forum moderator.
1204. CalGal - 9/25/2000 12:31:07 AM
And yes, Indy, I'll miss you. I hope you come back soon.
1205. Nostradamus - 9/25/2000 12:50:02 AM
Let me repeat myself for you, Cal, since you seem to have missed it the first time: I will happily abide by that rule (preventing hosts from banning specific posters) if it is explicitly spelled out somewhere and applies to ALL hosts.
As to the rest of your post, I don't wish to go there. No point in ripping open old wounds. But I defy you to find a single post in which wabbit orders me to let Rosie post in the SI thread. Find such a post for me and we have something to talk about, otherwise, you're just whistling in the wind.
Anyone who wants to know what REALLY happened can email me and find out. I volunteer to host the Sex thread and to be Mote Gatekeeper.
1206. CalGal - 9/25/2000 1:39:36 AM
But I defy you to find a single post in which wabbit orders me to let Rosie post in the SI thread.
You announced that wabbit had told Stone to stop and then maybe--maybe--she'd order you to let him post in your thread.
Wabbit quoted your announcment and said that she had never said this. (post 2661, Suggestions). She had also told you several times leading up to that post to stop. Several people in the conversation at the time informed you that she had told you to knock it off.
So yes, she did indeed tell you to stop the deletions.
Frankly, your assurance that you will abide by the rules isn't in the slightest bit convincing, since you'll undoubtedly find some other odd interpretation that you'll then abuse, followed by a hissy fit when it turns out that no one agrees with your reading, followed by a fuss in Suggestions, and then you'll leave--after announcing that you'll never be back again.
Then, of course, you'll come back and say shitty things about the place and various people in it.
And then you'll volunteer for a host position and act just a tad wounded when someone points out your history.
I think it's a lousy idea for you to be thread host, but whatever. That's for the administrators to decide (two of whom you insult regularly). I just figured to make sure that any folks not around then were aware of your behavior, so it wouldn't freak them out too badly if you went beserk again.
Gatekeeper is a different issue. I fondly hope that you will be strolling along the banks of a frozen river Styx on a chilly afternoon before you're allowed access to the private emails of forum members.
1207. PelleNilsson - 9/25/2000 1:45:10 AM
That Indy leaves is a loss for the Mote. Hope you can sneak back in now then, Indy!
1208. DocBrown - 9/25/2000 1:59:29 PM
I'll mis Indiana Jones, too. Happy adventures to him!
1209. PelleNilsson - 9/25/2000 2:57:43 PM
DocBrown is now the host for Tunnel of Love/Tower of Lust.
1210. Dusty - 9/25/2000 4:48:41 PM
Can someone share JJBiener's email address with me?
I am hoping that I have an obsolete address.
1211. JudithAtHome - 9/25/2000 4:53:10 PM
Dusty:
Aren't the addresses posted over in the yellow bar of the Cafe?
And thank you for earlier in Suggestions...
1212. Dusty - 9/25/2000 4:59:27 PM
Thanks. I should have known that.
And you're welcome.
1213. ChristinO - 9/25/2000 7:07:38 PM
Mgleason has graciously accepted the nomination to host the Books Thread. Please see her posts in Suggestions beginning with Message # 6496 in thread 25 for an idea of what she envisions for the thread.
1214. AytchMan - 9/26/2000 6:01:06 AM
Indy--
A belated farewell to you. Come back and see us (type us?) when you can.
1215. theDiva - 9/26/2000 9:30:10 AM
Speaking of e-mail addresses....
If you need yours changed, or you want to add yours to the list, post it in the Cafe or email me at jazzdee@yahoo.com. I will upload the updated page over the weekend.
A while back I'd talked about doing a birthday page, but it fell through the cracks during my transition to this agency....is there still interest in that? If so, again, please post in the Cafe or e-mail me.
1216. JayAckroyd - 9/26/2000 11:32:30 AM
Slate's down, if you want to take a moment to sneer, you too can see the server too busy message.
1217. theDiva - 9/26/2000 11:36:22 AM
hahahahahahaha
1218. theDiva - 9/26/2000 11:38:21 AM
Best of the Fray ???? Really?
1219. CalGal - 9/26/2000 11:40:41 AM
Oh my lord. Jimbo you piece of shit by Dump? That's the best?
1220. JayAckroyd - 9/26/2000 11:40:49 AM
It really was down this morning.
1221. theDiva - 9/26/2000 11:44:16 AM
And what a loss, you weren't able to see such gems as 'Jimbo you piece of shit'.
1222. bubbaette - 9/26/2000 12:36:09 PM
If that's the best of the Fray then I can see that we're not missed.
1223. rubberducky - 9/26/2000 12:41:55 PM
yeah, that's true
i mean, the recent bickering between Nos & I was much better than that
1224. theDiva - 9/26/2000 12:43:26 PM
well, I mean, here we descend to that level not infrequently. It's just odd to see that touted as 'best'.
1225. bubbaette - 9/26/2000 12:45:17 PM
I wonder if it's an error or if that really is the best.
1226. glendajean - 9/26/2000 12:47:55 PM
We talked about manure in H&G.
Indy, wish you wouldn't leave. I enjoyed reading your posts.
1233. msgreer - 9/26/2000 2:05:47 PM
I'm on a roll here. OPEN UP THE HEALTH THREAD so I can post in the
appropriate manner please.
1238. JJBiener - 9/26/2000 2:27:29 PM
msgreer - Health policy is a subthread on the Slow Thread.
BTW, I sent you an email a little earlier today.
1239. msgreer - 9/26/2000 2:41:18 PM
JJ
I know Health is in the Slow Thread but in "read only mode" thus I can't post anything there. Let me check my email.
1240. msgreer - 9/26/2000 2:44:40 PM
JJ
Checked my email. I am locked out. Let me work on it. I am sure
your email will get through and I will answer.
1241. msgreer - 9/26/2000 2:58:18 PM
JJ
It appears my ISP is down in the email department for atleast 4 hours. You can send email to nurseisin@yahoo.com. and I will receive it.
Diva
You too young lady.
1242. PelleNilsson - 9/26/2000 3:35:37 PM
msgreer
Please stop spamming this thread. Go to Suggestions and confirm to Christin that you will host and the Health thread will be up within minutes. Impatient women!
1243. ChristinO - 9/26/2000 4:19:54 PM
Posts 1227 -1232 and 1234-1237 have all been moved to the newly reactivated Health Thread.
1244. rubberducky - 9/26/2000 4:22:07 PM
now #1242 just looks stupid
delete it
1245. Nostradamus - 9/26/2000 4:44:00 PM
Ducky
If we had to delete every stupid post, when could anybody ever talk to Judith?
1246. msgreer - 9/26/2000 9:14:21 PM
rubberducky
I agree with your post.I have been away for so long it
is taking sometime to catch up on who the nasties are these days.
Nos.. give Judith a break. I find her to be a bright and sensitive person. Her posts are relevant and she has a great sense of humor. I also enjoy her political posts. She is straightforward with
her ideas.
Perhaps I am missing something but I don't think so.
1249. ChristinO - 9/27/2000 6:13:50 PM
Nostradamus,
The politics of TT should be discussed at TT not here. Further posts on that topic will also be deleted.
1251. msgreer - 9/27/2000 6:31:30 PM
Nos 1252. ChristinO - 9/27/2000 6:31:30 PM The previous post has been moved to the Mote Policies thread. 1253. ChristinO - 9/27/2000 6:32:09 PM Pardon, that should read that post number 1250 has been moved to the Mote Policies thread. 1254. msgreer - 9/27/2000 6:32:14 PM 1251= Nos Get a life. 1255. labwabbit - 9/27/2000 6:45:39 PM #1254 1256. ranheim - 9/28/2000 11:45:00 AM Is this the proper thread to ask a question about "FM" music? I have read that at the beginning of 2001,two new sources are to become available. I have heard that these sources will be availbale in you home as well as your car. Very limited - or no - commercials. 1257. rubberducky - 9/28/2000 12:26:58 PM ranheim: 1258. ranheim - 9/28/2000 12:46:34 PM What is the quality of the sound? CD? Or better? 1259. rubberducky - 9/28/2000 12:55:48 PM ranheim: 1260. ranheim - 9/28/2000 12:57:45 PM ducky 1261. AytchMan - 9/28/2000 1:18:16 PM Hey-- 1262. CalGal - 9/28/2000 1:24:36 PM Aytch, 1263. AytchMan - 9/28/2000 1:43:40 PM cg-- 1264. PelleNilsson - 9/28/2000 4:26:50 PM Folks, 1265. JRoth - 10/2/2000 4:35:25 PM Ranheim, 1266. ChristinO - 10/4/2000 1:22:47 PM Marjoribanks is currently presiding over a new Photography thread. 1267. ChristinO - 10/4/2000 1:37:42 PM The Anniversary thread is being RIPed. 1268. ChristinO - 10/4/2000 1:45:46 PM Employment and Careers is also tagged to RIP. 1269. msgreer - 10/4/2000 2:13:46 PM 800-973-2211.Curious? Go to Health Thread. 1270. ChristinO - 10/5/2000 1:09:53 PM RU-486: The Abortion Pill is being R.I.P.ed 1271. PelleNilsson - 10/5/2000 2:12:53 PM Christin 1272. ChristinO - 10/5/2000 4:00:44 PM We can't disagree ALL the time! ;-> 1273. labwabbit - 10/6/2000 1:37:52 PM Sometimes respect is won or lost on trivial things... 1274. PelleNilsson - 10/6/2000 3:32:11 PM labwabbit 1275. janjon - 10/6/2000 3:51:42 PM I thought he was taking some sort of strange typing test. 1276. labwabbit - 10/6/2000 4:03:16 PM ...a moment of inconsequential expression and ineffectual disappointment. 1277. altitude /w attitude - 10/6/2000 7:27:18 PM You do go on! 1278. labwabbit - 10/7/2000 1:54:47 PM ...as spoken from this site's most renowned 'air-head-up the ass'. 1279. PsychProf - 10/7/2000 1:59:39 PM Coupla beers, eh Labwab... 1280. AytchMan - 10/9/2000 4:33:47 PM Hey Kids-- 1281. CalGal - 10/9/2000 4:40:17 PM Hey, do you know that your epinions profile page is on Yahoo and that puts the Mote there, too? Thanks! 1282. dusty - 10/9/2000 4:44:35 PM AytchMan 1283. AytchMan - 10/9/2000 4:47:19 PM cg-- 1284. AytchMan - 10/9/2000 4:50:12 PM cg-- 1285. altitude /w attitude - 10/10/2000 11:11:40 AM re Message # 1278 Nothing can be done about the oxygen level. I have no en-light-enments. But if you tell me what it is that has offended you so mightily, I'd be happy to attempt reconciliation. With all due respect. 1286. labwabbit - 10/10/2000 12:50:40 PM awa 1287. altitude /w attitude - 10/10/2000 4:23:18 PM labwabbit. 1288. marshame - 10/10/2000 10:06:26 PM Aytchman, 1289. labwabbit - 10/10/2000 10:37:28 PM Do you blow up at your friends that way? or just the new kids on the mote? Initiation or welcome wagon? 1290. altitude /w attitude - 10/10/2000 10:58:16 PM Well what would be an acceptable age to "inflict pain or psychological discourse." Tendering impressionable development? Sorry, I don't think I qualify. What is your e-mail? You're asking for personal information. I don't know if I want to share it with the mote. 1291. altitude /w attitude - 10/10/2000 10:58:59 PM I just seem to rub your fur the wrong way! 1292. labwabbit - 10/10/2000 11:00:26 PM awa 1293. altitude /w attitude - 10/10/2000 11:04:39 PM Probably better if I don't. 1294. altitude /w attitude - 10/10/2000 11:05:23 PM Unless you like the bottom of your feet and your nose rubbed! 1295. marjoribanks - 10/11/2000 12:43:48 PM Whatever happened to Coralreef? 1296. ChristinO - 10/11/2000 12:59:51 PM Banks, 1297. theDiva - 10/12/2000 8:02:46 AM Marsha 1298. theDiva - 10/12/2000 8:04:39 AM Rick Nelson 1299. AytchMan - 10/13/2000 8:59:35 PM marshame-- 1300. Electric Slide - 10/14/2000 12:16:26 PM RosettaStone has changed his moniker to Electric Slide. 1301. arkymalarky - 10/14/2000 1:03:53 PM Hahahaha! I saw that moniker and thought, oh no, some Motie's pre-teenager is now posting, and it'd better not be mine. I should have known. 1302. Electric Slide - 10/14/2000 4:44:06 PM "Children are remarkable for their intelligence and ardor, for their curiosity, their intolerance of shams, the clarity and ruthlessness of their vision." 1303. JayAckroyd - 10/14/2000 7:10:36 PM aytch, 1304. JayAckroyd - 10/14/2000 7:11:57 PM Forgot to include my email address. Sorry. jay@ackroyd.org is my preferred address for personal stuff. 1305. AytchMan - 10/15/2000 1:12:43 PM jay-- 1306. AytchMan - 10/15/2000 1:56:20 PM Speaking of said Mote archives... 1307. JayAckroyd - 10/15/2000 2:17:37 PM Yeah, Aytch, I did mean very indirect promotion. 1308. alistairconnor - 10/15/2000 6:32:02 PM H : 1309. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:01:51 AM Thanks Alistair. 1310. JayAckroyd - 10/16/2000 3:51:28 PM Thanks aytch. 1311. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:00:38 PM Jay-- 1312. CalGal - 10/16/2000 4:03:17 PM I keep on meaning to post more of my reviews over there--I get a fair little stream of cents coming my way. 1313. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:12:55 PM cg-- 1314. CalGal - 10/16/2000 4:25:27 PM Hey, it pays for the connect time that I use the site. Almost. 1315. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:27:24 PM Jay-- 1316. CalGal - 10/16/2000 4:50:43 PM What is HRs? Slow thread would be better--won't get lost. 1317. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:56:22 PM HR is a highly recommended rating. 1318. JayAckroyd - 10/16/2000 7:32:58 PM Epinions post in the slow thread. 1319. JayAckroyd - 10/17/2000 12:18:17 AM The mail functions on the Mote server is acting up. There will be some reboots. 1320. JayAckroyd - 10/17/2000 12:24:12 AM The mail functions on the Mote server is acting up. There will be some reboots. 1321. JayAckroyd - 10/17/2000 12:50:43 AM Microsoft tells me that if I am going to solve this mail issue, I need to stop some services on the Mote server. We will be down for a while, from what I can tell. 1322. CalGal - 10/17/2000 12:53:25 AM Hmm. TT is down right now so I can't tell folks there. Are you thinking it will be down for a day or two, an hour or two, or some time in the middle? 1323. JayAckroyd - 10/17/2000 1:08:37 AM We may stay up. 1324. CalGal - 10/17/2000 1:34:16 AM Okay, it's nice to have warning. I'll alert the media if needs be. 1325. PelleNilsson - 10/19/2000 8:28:34 AM www.jpegwizard.com will compress your JPG files. You can also download the program for free. It's a nifty little thing that allows zooming and brightness control. You can also combine two or more pics to a single image. 1326. ChristinO - 10/19/2000 4:25:17 PM As of 5:35pm PST on Wednesday, October 18, 2000 I am officially the proud aunt of an 8.8lb 21 inch nephew! I'm am completely and totally in love with the little alien-brained, hickey-headed cutie-pie!! 1327. altitude /w attitude - 10/19/2000 5:53:41 PM CO 1328. Indiana Jones - 10/20/2000 9:36:06 AM Kuligan: I can't find what you're looking for without serious digging, but it looks as though AAA publishes the kind of info you want. 1329. JayAckroyd - 10/20/2000 3:15:44 PM My local provider is experiencing intermittent problems with a local telco circuit near their site. There may be speed and connection problems. 1330. PelleNilsson - 10/28/2000 7:51:30 AM I have neglected the Mote Story Collection for some time but today I pulled myself together. Check here for new stories by Adrianne, DanDillon, Uzmakk, Sincerity, RickNelson, jonesatlaw, Angel-Five, and myself. The full collection is linked in Stories. 1331. AytchMan - 10/29/2000 7:12:52 PM What does anybody know about the freexdsl service? I'm hearing widely divergent comments on the deal. Seems too good to be true. Any info? 1332. labwabbit - 10/30/2000 6:54:15 PM 1333. altitude /w attitude - 10/31/2000 12:19:27 AM I thought something else caused blindness! 1334. theDiva - 11/2/2000 1:57:19 PM Motie e-mail list has been updated. See the butterscotch bar/right link in the Cafe. 1335. marjoribanks - 11/6/2000 10:04:23 AM Notice: 1336. theDiva - 11/6/2000 10:06:31 AM you sayin baby bubba got booty on the brain? 1337. marjoribanks - 11/6/2000 10:16:01 AM You do the math, Diva. 1338. theDiva - 11/6/2000 10:16:34 AM (shaking head) 1339. marjoribanks - 11/6/2000 10:22:07 AM Course, Pelle has an 1890's grasp of colloquial English in certain circumstances. So he probably doesn't even know what 'snatch' can connote. But 'slip' is certainly obvious to him. 1340. PelleNilsson - 11/6/2000 12:06:58 PM Whatever you may be thinking of, my dear Banks, I am confident it reveals more about your inner life than about me. 1341. Uzmakk - 11/6/2000 12:21:05 PM Just for your information, I intend to ream out the arrogant prick, A-5, on this thread later today. I like the idea of conducting my business in public; it keeps me honest. 1342. Uzmakk - 11/7/2000 9:19:25 AM I hereby withdraw my threat to ream out A-5. Sorry, duck. 1343. DanDillon - 11/8/2000 10:31:50 PM I publish clever and thoughtful essays and RP's flatulence gets a link in the butterscotch bar. Justice pppbbbmmfffltt has been served. 1344. grannypatsy - 11/15/2000 8:15:15 PM um,ah,(maybe this goes in teccchnical) umm...I don't know what "toys" are. 1345. arkymalarky - 11/15/2000 10:03:28 PM Hi Patsy! The toys are the html tags that people sometimes forget to close for italics and such. 1346. grannypatsy - 11/16/2000 1:17:22 AM Thabk you Arky. So is someone being scolded when the message is only "toy"? 1347. CalGal - 11/16/2000 1:19:24 AM Usually, there is also a closing tag. 1348. CalGal - 11/16/2000 1:21:29 AM 1349. altitude /w attitude - 11/16/2000 11:18:53 AM 1350. marshame - 11/16/2000 11:28:28 AM Uzmakk 1351. theDiva - 11/16/2000 11:39:13 AM Updated Motie e-mail page..... 1352. labwabbit - 11/16/2000 12:47:44 PM wabbit (1st - Where have you been?) 1353. rubberducky - 11/16/2000 1:14:14 PM labby 1354. labwabbit - 11/16/2000 1:55:23 PM Hey ducky! 1355. rubberducky - 11/16/2000 1:58:49 PM labster: 1356. JudithAtHome - 11/16/2000 2:06:48 PM 1357. rubberducky - 11/16/2000 2:08:49 PM J@H: 1358. theDiva - 11/16/2000 2:11:38 PM Ducky darling 1359. rubberducky - 11/16/2000 2:13:26 PM point to you Diva my dear 1360. labwabbit - 11/16/2000 2:21:48 PM Yep ducky... 1362. wabbit - 11/16/2000 2:26:56 PM Labwabbit, 1363. theDiva - 11/16/2000 2:27:28 PM WABBIT! 1364. wabbit - 11/16/2000 2:27:55 PM 1365. rubberducky - 11/16/2000 2:30:00 PM 1366. labwabbit - 11/16/2000 2:32:52 PM Ya, what Diva said...WABBIT!! 1367. theDiva - 11/16/2000 2:34:51 PM Ducky 1368. theDiva - 11/16/2000 2:35:25 PM labwab 1369. rubberducky - 11/16/2000 2:39:46 PM 1370. labwabbit - 11/16/2000 2:42:11 PM Deev... 1371. theDiva - 11/16/2000 2:49:35 PM I KISS YOU BOTH!!!! 1372. labwabbit - 11/16/2000 3:33:38 PM I appreciate that much more Diva...I'm still smarting from the wedgie you gave me last week! Haha. 1373. theDiva - 11/16/2000 3:36:06 PM look, if you'd just stay in line I wouldn't have to wedgify you.... 1374. altitude /w attitude - 11/16/2000 5:44:00 PM 1375. wabbit - 11/16/2000 5:57:20 PM Hello aw/a, 1376. altitude /w attitude - 11/16/2000 8:06:05 PM 1377. altitude /w attitude - 11/16/2000 8:06:32 PM toys 1378. theDiva - 11/16/2000 8:13:23 PM 1379. arkymalarky - 11/16/2000 8:19:24 PM Hi Wabbit!!! 1380. theDiva - 11/16/2000 8:28:34 PM If you're really good, too, you can make sure the bobbycue sauce stains land just so and creative a festive fall pattern.... 1381. theDiva - 11/16/2000 8:28:55 PM create, create, create. 1382. rubberducky - 11/17/2000 8:34:51 AM 1383. CalGal - 11/22/2000 12:23:51 PM New Page Format. You should be able to login and post if you had an id up to February of this year. If you can't, and want a login, just let me know and I'll add one. 1384. labwabbit - 11/22/2000 2:03:59 PM PLEASE... "take comment to Technical" 1385. Indiana Jones - 11/27/2000 7:30:42 AM Considering the circumstances in Florida and a gesture of national reconciliation, I would like to offer at this time to cancel the bet A-5 and I had regarding the outcome of the Presidential election. 1386. Indiana Jones - 11/27/2000 7:31:08 AM "as a gesture" 1387. angel-five - 11/27/2000 10:49:17 AM hahahaha. I'd forgotten about that. And even though the fat lady hasn't sung in FL yet I'll agree. Let it not be said that Indiana Jones isn't a prince among men. 1388. grannypatsy - 11/30/2000 2:57:21 AM General apology and/or explanation for lousy posting. I think I've said that I have macular degeneraqtion, Can't predict how bad it will get but for now I see pretty well except for what my sister calls "raindrops" which are a pretty accurate description of things jjust disappearing. There will always be an outer circle of vision but the centers of things is not always visable. I like solataaire on the computer for instance but I can't see the center spot on a trey. 1389. PsychProf - 11/30/2000 7:14:27 AM Great to see you post here Patsy. 1390. msgreer - 12/1/2000 4:48:18 PM PATSY MACULAR DEGENERATION. THAT'S A ROUGH ONE. I KNOW I HAVE INFO ON MD.MY UNCLE HAS IT ALSO. I WILL EMAIL YOU THE LATEST INFORMATION THIS WEEKEND. I DO KNOW 1391. msgreer - 12/1/2000 4:51:49 PM PATSY YOU ARE NOT GIVING MORE INFORMATION THAN WE WANT TO KNOW. 1392. AytchMan - 12/5/2000 12:55:59 AM They're breaking my heart. 1393. CalGal - 12/5/2000 12:57:42 AM Aytch, 1394. CalGal - 12/5/2000 12:58:01 AM Oh, I forgot. 1395. AytchMan - 12/5/2000 1:01:37 AM Thanks for trying but I'm inconsolable. AV was a good service. Now begins The Long March. 1396. CalGal - 12/5/2000 1:09:06 AM And Bataan is so cold this time of year. 1397. AytchMan - 12/5/2000 1:14:29 AM Bataan is the Death March. The Long March was Mao's trek in China. 1398. rubberducky - 12/5/2000 9:11:54 AM New Virus Floating around work this morning: 1399. CalGal - 12/7/2000 7:46:28 PM Jack Vincennes Announcement: 1400. Indiana Jones - 12/10/2000 11:45:10 PM MsGreer (or anyone who sees her): Please post or email a suggestion for a celebrity image you'd like uploaded. If not, I can pick one for you. Thanks. 1401. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 6:54:21 PM In a blatant power play to get my thread off the bottom of the heap: 1402. Fielding - 12/22/2000 10:35:12 PM 1403. AytchMan - 12/23/2000 1:37:43 AM Just you wait, Fielding. 1404. Fielding - 12/24/2000 12:17:40 AM 1405. JudithAtHome - 12/24/2000 10:51:44 AM 1406. JudithAtHome - 12/24/2000 10:56:46 AM 1407. msgreer - 12/24/2000 1:17:58 PM IJones A celebrity image? One I want to look like, one I admire or one I think shows some slight resemblance? 1408. JudithAtHome - 12/24/2000 3:02:56 PM 1409. msgreer - 12/24/2000 5:28:49 PM Judith I will talk first and look later. Julie Christie. No doubt about it. IJONES JULIE CHRISTIE. CHECK YOUR EMAIL. Now I will check the bar, thanks, Judith. 1410. Fielding - 12/24/2000 8:04:52 PM 1411. CalGal - 12/24/2000 9:36:54 PM One can't be too new. 1412. PelleNilsson - 12/25/2000 6:08:45 AM Judith 1413. anise - 12/25/2000 7:40:39 AM I guess a picture of the scarecrow in the "Wizard of Oz" would work for me. You know, "if I only had a brain". I honestly can't think of any actress that would be right for me to choose. Any suggestions? 1414. PelleNilsson - 12/25/2000 1:51:27 PM anise 1415. JJBiener - 12/25/2000 9:04:29 PM Anise - So if those of you with SOUND minds would maybe think of someone for me, I would appreciate it. 1416. anise - 12/25/2000 11:15:14 PM I have dark brown, very curly hair. It's down to the middle of my back and I do my best to straighten it. I would prefer someone with dark hair. I would choose Fran Dresher, but Shosha actually looks and sounds like her. 1417. msgreer - 12/26/2000 9:25:15 AM JJ I look nothing like Julie Christie but that is who I picked for theMote movie. Anise Stick with JJ. Go for Heather. 1418. anise - 12/26/2000 11:38:45 PM OK. That way I can comment on guys butts and whether or not they are wearing boxers or briefs. That's all I really know about her. The blonde I like best is Melanie Griffith. People that call here often ask to speak to my father. In RL I am very passive. I'm just not tall like her. 1419. AytchMan - 12/27/2000 2:19:45 AM Not that this thread is exactly a hotbed of communication but can you guys take the conversation to the Cafe? Gracias. 1420. jexster - 12/27/2000 8:02:57 PM AlD--- 1421. msgreer - 12/31/2000 11:38:10 AM IndianaJones Could you post a picture of Julie Christie in the Mote Movie for me? She is the actor I have picked to play any role in the up and coming Mote Movie. If you check your email you will see my idea. Thank you. 1422. PelleNilsson - 1/1/2001 1:55:00 PM 1423. Indiana Jones - 1/1/2001 6:35:32 PM I've added msgreer, rubberducky, and Rick Nelson to the Mote Cast. If I missed anyone who has asked to be added, please remind me either here or via email. 1424. arkymalarky - 1/1/2001 8:17:23 PM I want to thank everybody in this wonderful place who asked about me and was concerned over the AR situation. It's funny that outside a (very small) handful of rl people, the first ones I wanted to visit with after getting to a phone line were here. I'm glad I got to ring in the New Year for the third (?) time (losing count) with such a great group of people. 1425. anise - 1/1/2001 9:18:54 PM Sure Indiana, Heather will be fine. I don't know very much about her though. Is she ditzy like me? I have seen her in a few commercials and a few TJ Hooker episodes. 1426. Fielding - 1/1/2001 9:46:01 PM 1427. CalGal - 1/1/2001 9:48:43 PM Indy, 1428. Wombat - 1/1/2001 9:52:35 PM Indy: 1429. Electric Slide - 1/1/2001 9:55:03 PM Notice. As soon as I can figure out my old password, I'm going back to my old Rosetta Stone moniker. My dancing days are almost over. 1430. CalGal - 1/1/2001 10:42:16 PM This isn't just binary day, it's one of the ultimate binary days and as such should not go unnoticed. 1431. mgleason - 1/1/2001 11:32:07 PM Indiana, 1432. CalGal - 1/1/2001 11:34:13 PM Good one. 1433. mgleason - 1/1/2001 11:40:02 PM Thanks; she's always been one of my favorites. 1434. anise - 1/2/2001 4:21:35 AM Well Fielding, I would have to say you are right. I am not bodacious or all that ambitious. I am average in looks and ambition. Terrible at conversation. A little too passive and in RL very shy and quiet. I graduated college with honours, but I did most of my classes in independent study. I think maybe the scarecrow was the better idea. Just give him a sex change and that would be great. 1435. CalGal - 1/3/2001 5:24:20 PM Has anyone heard of im-ur.com? 1436. Hyphenated - 1/3/2001 10:58:05 PM I just got a notice from them, too. 1437. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 11:13:05 PM 1438. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 11:14:07 PM 1439. Hyphenated - 1/3/2001 11:19:03 PM I just got a notice from them, too. 1440. CalGal - 1/3/2001 11:36:48 PM Hiya, Hyph. You new? BTW, don't hit Refresh--it causes the double post. 1441. anise - 1/4/2001 6:05:54 AM http://www.silent-movies.com/Ladies/GishL/Gish85.jpg 1442. mgleason - 1/4/2001 1:40:09 PM What is im-ur? I received e-mail from them, too. 1443. RickNelson - 1/4/2001 6:45:05 PM 1444. AytchMan - 1/5/2001 2:09:28 AM ricknelson-- 1445. Indiana Jones - 1/5/2001 8:50:07 AM Manon and mgleason have both been added to the Mote cast. 1446. Manon Dumay - 1/5/2001 8:58:53 AM Thanks Indiana, but now you will need to go back and capitalize that M in Manon. Tsk, tsk. 1447. Wombat - 1/5/2001 11:20:44 AM Indy: 1448. Wombat - 1/5/2001 11:21:58 AM Indy: 1449. mgleason - 1/5/2001 11:26:25 AM Thanks, Indiana; it's most kind of you. 1450. CalGal - 1/5/2001 11:28:47 AM Well, that's one way of putting it. Edward Herrman is in the Sam Waterston/Bruce Davison/Tony Roberts category. 1451. theDiva - 1/5/2001 11:29:51 AM Wombat 1452. mgleason - 1/5/2001 11:46:07 AM But I think his name is spelt 'Herrmann.' 1453. CalGal - 1/5/2001 11:46:22 AM 1454. mgleason - 1/5/2001 11:47:41 AM I tried to find a picture of him as Franklin Roosevelt, which would be perfect, but haven't found one. 1455. mgleason - 1/5/2001 12:18:00 PM Here's the one I have in mind (too big to post): 1456. RickNelson - 1/5/2001 3:39:49 PM LOL Aytchman, 1457. arkymalarky - 1/5/2001 8:28:55 PM I hadn't given it any thought, but with the talk about Mote Movie Cast, it occurs to me that I've never seen Holly Hunter in a movie and don't know anything about her, and wonder how she got "cast" as me. I don't know what we have in common, since I'm completely unfamiliar with her--except I do recognize the name. 1458. Electric Slide - 1/5/2001 8:47:56 PM Is there anything more pathetic than educated, attractive adults on a Friday night thinking about and/or picking out semi-famous movie "stars" that they want people to associate themselves with. 1459. arkymalarky - 1/5/2001 8:50:27 PM And you're posting that in between what exciting Friday night happenings in your full social book? 1460. Electric Slide - 1/5/2001 8:59:55 PM Holly Hunter was in The Piano and that comedy about TV news, Arky. She's very talented, pretty but tiny. No more than 5'2". But nice eyes. I think she won an Academy Award but I've forgotten for what. 1461. grannypatsy - 1/5/2001 9:11:34 PM If a movie is being made, I will, of course, be Margaret 1462. arkymalarky - 1/5/2001 9:17:07 PM Hey Patsy! 1463. JudithAtHome - 1/5/2001 9:51:32 PM 1464. JJBiener - 1/5/2001 10:17:55 PM Arky - Here is a picture of Holly Hunter 1465. JJBiener - 1/5/2001 10:20:16 PM Well that didn't work! I think I'd better preview next time. 1466. JJBiener - 1/5/2001 10:23:02 PM 1467. Fielding - 1/5/2001 10:30:58 PM Slide: 1468. CalGal - 1/5/2001 10:35:17 PM You will not desecrate Chris Cooper with such an abysmal association. 1469. JudithAtHome - 1/5/2001 11:08:09 PM 1470. joezan - 1/5/2001 11:45:39 PM 1471. Electric Slide - 1/6/2001 5:56:32 AM Exactly, juDY. Marty Feldman is perfect for me. Or Robert Downey, Jr., since I'm wearing eyeglasses now and just love the way he sang Joni Mitchell's "River" on a new Christmas CD. And if more of our "mote cast" would pick those types of pictures for their visual ID, it would be more fun to click on the links. 1472. JudithAtHome - 1/6/2001 9:57:43 AM 1473. JudithAtHome - 1/6/2001 10:01:02 AM 1474. Electric Slide - 1/6/2001 1:33:46 PM Have you seen what the surgeons have done to her face, juDY? There's hope for you yet, dear. 1475. JudithAtHome - 1/6/2001 1:40:23 PM 1476. JudithAtHome - 1/6/2001 1:42:40 PM 1477. Fielding - 1/7/2001 12:38:09 AM 1478. arkymalarky - 1/7/2001 12:44:55 AM Thanks for the picture, JJ, though I must say I don't see anything in her that's like me. She looks a lot different from the picture in IJ's link. 1479. CalGal - 1/7/2001 4:50:46 AM Fielding, 1480. JudithAtHome - 1/7/2001 10:08:13 AM 1481. arkymalarky - 1/7/2001 8:46:23 PM Hahaha! That's like me? Cool! (g) 1482. Electric Slide - 1/7/2001 8:54:40 PM Arky: I thought you were a New Yorker, transplanted to teach in Arkansas so that little sparks might burst into mighty flames. 1483. arkymalarky - 1/7/2001 9:09:30 PM One of these days I'm going to have to get to New York and see what people are really referring to. I don't know that they'd hire a New Yorker to teach where I live, as they're pretty leery of Yankees of any stripe. In fact, I don't know that I've ever met a New Yorker living or even visiting down here. 1484. Electric Slide - 1/7/2001 10:58:02 PM Well, excuse me. I thought I remember reading CalCal's controverial fray-poster profiles where she said that you were from NY and had move to Arkansas. 1485. JJBiener - 1/7/2001 11:31:11 PM Arky - I'll have to make a point to catch her in a movie. 1486. Manon - 1/8/2001 1:47:00 AM That's my favorite Holly Hunter movie as well. 1487. glendajean - 1/8/2001 9:18:20 AM My favorite Holly Hunter movies are Broadcast News, Miss Firecracker, and the HBO movie about the Texas cheeleader mom who tried to kill her daughter's rival. 1488. JudithAtHome - 1/8/2001 9:47:23 AM 1489. arkymalarky - 1/8/2001 7:11:46 PM ES, 1490. Electric Slide - 1/8/2001 7:58:39 PM Don't be a tease. So are you from NY, or not? 1491. arkymalarky - 1/8/2001 8:07:31 PM Worse than that--I'm a Texan. 1492. msgreer - 1/9/2001 7:36:10 AM For anyone who is interested Ms. Katherine Harris will interviewed on PrimeTime this Thursday. 1493. JudithAtHome - 1/9/2001 9:17:32 AM 1494. rubberducky - 1/9/2001 4:52:47 PM just arrived.. 1495. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2001 10:22:05 PM I've been trying this evening to update the Mote cast but am unable to get into the site, so Orson as Wombat is still on hold. Besides the TT trouble, it seems to me like the entire Internet has been goofy today. 1496. msgreer - 1/9/2001 10:28:55 PM IJ Thanks for posting the pic of Julie Christie. 1497. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2001 10:30:05 PM I've been trying this evening to update the Mote cast but am unable to get into the site, so Orson as Wombat is still on hold. Besides the TT trouble, it seems to me like the entire Internet has been goofy today. 1498. arkymalarky - 1/9/2001 10:36:49 PM IJ, 1499. Indiana Jones - 1/10/2001 10:15:09 PM You're welcome Ms. Greer. 1500. rubberducky - 1/11/2001 9:57:09 AM Ripley: 1501. grannypatsy - 1/12/2001 3:26:53 AM Not to worry; both the late Damr Ruterford and I had and have double chins. 1502. Indiana Jones - 1/15/2001 11:48:54 PM Wombat and grannypatsy have been added to the Mote cast. 1503. OhioSTOPAS - 1/16/2001 3:42:38 PM 1504. labwabbit - 1/16/2001 5:19:26 PM Beer? I thought I heard someone say beer. 1505. Uzmakk - 1/16/2001 8:25:40 PM My Dear Mr. Pelle Nilsson: 1506. Uzmakk - 1/17/2001 5:52:44 PM btw, you aren't associated with a mysterious benefactor who has delivered to me via a very charming young lady salesperson a goodly number of books of no great value on which I am to have carte blanche (well..., up to a point) to practice my craft. Among the titles-- 1507. PelleNilsson - 1/17/2001 6:01:51 PM Uzmakk 1508. Uzmakk - 1/17/2001 6:02:20 PM The spirit of Igor of Igorograd clearly hovers about the Mote. 1509. Uzmakk - 1/18/2001 9:35:11 AM Pelle: 1510. PelleNilsson - 1/18/2001 1:11:24 PM 1511. Uzmakk - 1/18/2001 1:59:10 PM Definitely not. I shall find a spot. Actually, I shall sprinkle the various threads with them as the subject matter dictates. 1512. cmboyce - 1/19/2001 12:43:33 AM So when do you start, Uz? It sounds great. 1513. Uzmakk - 1/19/2001 1:14:23 PM Would have started this morning but the kids had a snow day and I couldn't get to the computer. Perhaps this evening, Boyce. Thanks for sticking your nose in; its quite a prod. 1514. Fielding - 1/23/2001 10:30:34 AM 1515. Uzmakk - 1/23/2001 7:35:40 PM #7032 Home and Garden is a post to Pelle. 1516. labwabbit - 1/23/2001 7:40:44 PM Keep on sprinkling Uz. 1517. CalGal - 1/24/2001 3:03:22 AM New "threads" layout 1518. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 9:45:12 AM Ok. I was going to put a bit of effort into this proposal and give it a more formal nature but I just don't have time and time marches on. Of all the bookbinding and related projects that I have done I have done only one "modern designer bookbinding". I did this under the tuteledge of "The Great One". The design was done on a fast track basis, my initial concern being the forwarding(all the work done to a book befor it is decorated) of a fine book. But I cannot say that the design suffered because it was designed as I went along. I am very pleased with the result; it is simple and to the point. This book has been sitting around for about 8 or 9 years now. 1519. cmboyce - 1/31/2001 10:54:13 AM Count me in, Uz. 1520. JudithAtHome - 1/31/2001 11:06:43 AM 1521. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 5:48:22 PM Thanks guys, hardly a world tour but its a good start. To continue from above-- 1522. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 5:52:16 PM While AUBREY BEARDSLEYmakes his rounds I intend to finish a number of "fine" or "extra" pieces several of which have already been forwarded and are ready for finishing. Others are thoroughly planned and I should be able to make a good go of them. I am giving myself a year to finish 5 - 7 "extra" pieces. This is a great deal of work on top of the bread and butter stuff, but I am certain that it will be worth it. I mean I do like to get out of the shop ,i.e., I am happy when the work day is done, i.e., I don't relish the idea of working late into the night on this stuff, but you gotta do what you gotta do. And, by God, if I don't get 5-7 pieces done by the end of the year I want nothing but your scorn. I want to be skewered alive and roasted in hell. I want to be spat upon and flogged to within an inch of my life. 1523. cmboyce - 1/31/2001 5:57:34 PM I'm a little baffled here, Uz. Are you talking about sending us a real book, by UPS or something? Or is it pictures thereof via e-mail? (I assume the latter, but I can't quite satisfy myself that I know that's what you mean.) 1524. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 6:03:51 PM No, Boyce, I want to send you the real thing. What I had in mind was that we would come up with some sort of schedule. I would send the thing out and then it would be sent from motie to motie until it got back to me. I expect that most moties have never seen anything quite like my Beardsley. 1525. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 6:07:18 PM Another thing. I am not trying to sell anything to anyone on the Mote. As I say, you are my moral support, and the knife at my throat, which I apparently need. 1526. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 6:09:20 PM As my wife says, I work far better under pressure, I am trying to create some for myself. 1527. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 6:14:27 PM What could be more of a prod than the threat of making a fool of one's self in front of people he, not knows-- I don't know a blasted one of you-- but respects. 1528. cmboyce - 1/31/2001 6:17:09 PM All right! Lay it on me! This'll be great. I look forward to it a lot, Uz. And rest assured, I am quite interested enough in my own aesthetic responses to things to spare nothing in acquainting you with whatever they are anent your Beardsley. 1529. JudithAtHome - 1/31/2001 6:18:57 PM 1530. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 6:19:19 PM Very cool, Boyce. 1531. JudithAtHome - 1/31/2001 6:21:52 PM 1532. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 6:26:28 PM I thought of that Judith. There is a bit of risk involved, but hey. I believe that if an package is insured for $500 or more it gets special treatment by UPS. Though I value the thing at considerably more than $500, I think that that amount of insurance will put it in the "be specially careful bin." 1533. JudithAtHome - 1/31/2001 6:30:40 PM 1534. wabbit - 1/31/2001 7:53:03 PM (wabbit jumping up and down, ears flying) 1535. Uzmakk - 1/31/2001 8:26:41 PM Absolutely, Wabbit! BTW, all, feel free to talk this up. (to be continued.) 1536. PelleNilsson - 2/1/2001 3:22:58 AM Uzmakk 1537. alistairconnor - 2/1/2001 4:50:48 AM Well, if the book gets to this side of the Atlantic, I certainly want to see it... 1538. alistairconnor - 2/1/2001 4:52:46 AM Further variation : A Mote-person is forbidden to hand the book on to another Mote-person, but has to find an intermediary to do the handover. A sort of degrees-of-separation exercise? 1539. Uzmakk - 2/1/2001 7:08:33 AM alistairconnor: 1540. Adrianne - 2/1/2001 7:55:35 AM 1541. Uzmakk - 2/1/2001 9:09:39 AM Thanks, Adrianne. Certainly a possibility. I guess I will leave the sign-up list open until this coming Sunday and then go from there. I don't know that it is necessary for the book to be transported by "courier" though. It is larger than average and heavier than average and could be a bit of a burden for the world traveller. 1542. PelleNilsson - 2/1/2001 9:39:37 AM Uzmakk 1543. JudithAtHome - 2/1/2001 12:12:21 PM 1544. seadate - 2/1/2001 12:58:43 PM Uz, 1545. JayAckroyd - 2/1/2001 1:52:28 PM I like the face to face idea better than the mail idea. Far more entertaining. I'm not far from Nyack. And I hope to be going to France in March or April. 1546. JudithAtHome - 2/1/2001 2:01:26 PM 1547. Uzmakk - 2/1/2001 2:01:45 PM I believe my e-mail is listed on the butter bar on this thread, Judith. 1548. Uzmakk - 2/1/2001 2:04:09 PM Check, seadate. Check, Ackroyd. 1549. JudithAtHome - 2/1/2001 2:04:38 PM 1550. arkymalarky - 2/1/2001 2:07:49 PM I'd love to see your book Uz, but would be afraid to have it in my care. Maybe after it's been through a few Mote hands I'll add my name to the list. 1551. JayAckroyd - 2/1/2001 2:11:37 PM Surely there's someone near you Judith. 1552. JudithAtHome - 2/1/2001 2:14:45 PM 1553. Uzmakk - 2/1/2001 2:15:49 PM Arky: 1554. JayAckroyd - 2/1/2001 2:17:03 PM Was there in November, Judith. Paris is a lot cleaner, and in a lot better shape than it was last time I was there. 1555. JudithAtHome - 2/1/2001 2:19:39 PM 1556. JayAckroyd - 2/1/2001 2:28:55 PM It's interesting in the winter. Lotsa stuff going on--ballet, concerts. Wasn't that cold. 1557. JudithAtHome - 2/1/2001 2:32:02 PM 1558. theDiva - 2/1/2001 2:55:09 PM "here, in the US, you just can't get a good cup of espresso." 1559. theDiva - 2/1/2001 2:55:53 PM actually, Jay, you're in NYC, aren't you? Do you mean to say you can't even get a good one at Ferrara's anymore? Horrors! 1560. janjon - 2/1/2001 3:06:49 PM Ferrara's sadly passed over to La Turista Trapa some time ago. At least, in my humble opinion. Cafe Roma, nearby, still looks like the real McCoy (even if all the Italian restaurants you can see out its windows are now a mix of Burmese, barbeque and, sadly as in the case of Grotto Azzura, closed), and the coffee ain't bad. 1561. theDiva - 2/1/2001 3:13:31 PM Jan 1562. arkymalarky - 2/1/2001 3:14:39 PM "What difference does that make?" 1563. arkymalarky - 2/1/2001 3:14:51 PM whom 1564. arkymalarky - 2/1/2001 3:15:21 PM None of this coffee talk bothers me. I'm a hop and a skip from a good ol' truck stop. 1565. Uzmakk - 2/1/2001 3:16:31 PM You wouldn't deflect the blame would you, Arky? 1566. PelleNilsson - 2/1/2001 3:18:35 PM The moment you have waited for is here. Uzmakk reveals some of the dark secret of his art. I think we take questions and queries in H&G? I will copy this post there. 1567. janjon - 2/1/2001 3:20:07 PM Diva - I hope for your sake you haven't been to what is still called Little Italy for a while. They still have the San Geronimo (yeah, I know that isn't correct but I don't remember its real name) festival every fall and, I am told, it still looks Italian. BUT, the neighborhood itself is now at least 75% Chinese, at least in terms of the shops (and, I suspect, housing.) Just too much pressure from Chinatown in terms of the numbers of people migrating there and needing places to live, etc. Some very expensive (and crowded) poor housing down there. 1568. arkymalarky - 2/1/2001 3:26:06 PM "You wouldn't deflect the blame would you, Arky?" 1569. JudithAtHome - 2/1/2001 3:30:45 PM 1570. theDiva - 2/1/2001 3:32:51 PM Jan 1571. Uzmakk - 2/2/2001 9:11:41 AM Thanks for your responses, those of you who have responded. I was hoping for more, but the smaller the safer. I will leave the "Tour Location List" open until Sunday. I will then try to come up with something concrete including person to person meetings whereever possible. Please send me your addresses as soon as possible. 1572. JayAckroyd - 2/2/2001 9:31:10 AM My office address is 252 East 89th Street NYC, NY 10128. 1573. theDiva - 2/2/2001 9:41:06 AM Question for Wiz and Wabbit: 1574. JudithAtHome - 2/2/2001 9:58:36 AM 1575. Uzmakk - 2/2/2001 9:59:46 AM Yes, Judith. 1576. cmboyce - 2/2/2001 10:02:23 AM Diva, I'd say, although unasked, art conservation. 1577. Indiana Jones - 2/2/2001 10:11:19 AM Diva: Here's a place to start. 1578. PsychProf - 2/2/2001 10:18:20 AM Deev...how bout a midwest Professor of Theatre that specializes in lighting? 1579. theDiva - 2/2/2001 11:33:30 AM Gosh, thanks, guys. 1580. Uzmakk - 2/2/2001 2:02:33 PM Diva, light damages everything. If the question is do molecules cringe when subjected to a camera flash I think the answer is no. 1581. seadate - 2/2/2001 2:50:27 PM Uzmakk, 1582. Uzmakk - 2/2/2001 3:34:49 PM Check, Seadate. 1583. Uzmakk - 2/2/2001 3:41:08 PM ...and it will be like no prospectus you have ever seen before. 1584. joezan - 2/2/2001 3:46:05 PM 1585. Uzmakk - 2/2/2001 4:12:50 PM Not so far, Joezan.(half-kidding) You are the guilder, correct? 1586. seadate - 2/2/2001 4:21:44 PM Uzmakk's lying - no salesman talks like that. 1587. seadate - 2/2/2001 4:22:02 PM (g) 1588. joezan - 2/2/2001 4:30:59 PM 1589. PelleNilsson - 2/2/2001 4:44:25 PM joezan 1590. Uzmakk - 2/2/2001 4:52:46 PM I remember. 1591. CalGal - 2/2/2001 8:47:34 PM Aytch, 1592. joezan - 2/2/2001 9:28:20 PM 1593. Uzmakk - 2/3/2001 3:01:15 PM btw, Joezan, have you heard about the Caxton-Pennyroyal Bible, being published or been published by now. 1594. ScottLoar - 2/3/2001 3:41:47 PM Uzmakk; 1595. joezan - 2/3/2001 3:49:53 PM 1596. joezan - 2/3/2001 3:53:51 PM 1597. Uzmakk - 2/3/2001 4:02:14 PM Nice like Joezan. That's the most I have ever read about it. Had a chance to hear him lecture but was busy. I think I might snag 5 of the $60 model for future binding. 1598. Uzmakk - 2/3/2001 4:16:46 PM Loar: 1599. Uzmakk - 2/3/2001 4:18:35 PM 1600. JudithAtHome - 2/3/2001 7:33:44 PM 1601. PelleNilsson - 2/4/2001 1:24:31 PM 1602. Uzmakk - 2/4/2001 2:29:00 PM Isn't it though? 1603. AytchMan - 2/4/2001 8:58:11 PM cal-- 1604. CalGal - 2/4/2001 9:03:58 PM Kinda desperate? 1605. AytchMan - 2/4/2001 9:05:42 PM Well, it's family night. 1606. CalGal - 2/4/2001 9:16:18 PM I don't understand why Judith was being charged, though. I thought it was free. 1607. joezan - 2/4/2001 11:07:55 PM 1608. joezan - 2/4/2001 11:15:36 PM 1609. JudithAtHome - 2/4/2001 11:20:03 PM 1610. AytchMan - 2/5/2001 2:40:28 AM Juno is still free but it's a limited service (25 hours a month, I think). Of course, they want you to bump up to the premium service. As long as you keep your usage down, the service works fine. Just use multiple accounts or use two different free ISP's. One should have multiple ISP's just for backup, anyway. 1611. CalGal - 2/5/2001 9:38:27 PM Email "tapping" 1612. JadeGold1 - 2/5/2001 9:55:23 PM Yes. 1613. theDiva - 2/6/2001 10:49:21 AM has anyone seen Banks lately? I'm concerned that he may have family affected by the earthquake. 1614. JudithAtHome - 2/6/2001 10:53:00 AM 1615. JudithAtHome - 2/6/2001 10:54:06 AM 1616. theDiva - 2/6/2001 11:05:03 AM I can't remember. 1617. PelleNilsson - 2/6/2001 11:31:36 AM Judith 1618. theDiva - 2/6/2001 11:32:25 AM (smacks forehead) 1619. PelleNilsson - 2/6/2001 12:11:04 PM Diva 1620. theDiva - 2/6/2001 12:17:08 PM uh oh. Dang, I really hope everything is all right. 1621. PelleNilsson - 2/6/2001 12:24:56 PM 1622. theDiva - 2/6/2001 12:26:18 PM now, is that where's he's visiting? 1623. PelleNilsson - 2/6/2001 12:27:13 PM 1624. PelleNilsson - 2/6/2001 12:28:42 PM 1625. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 2/7/2001 12:46:49 AM Hear ye, hear ye! 1626. labwabbit - 2/8/2001 2:40:35 PM All posts not related to at least somewhat answer-worthy questions and/or their answers will be summarily deleted as I see fit. 1627. JayAckroyd - 2/8/2001 4:35:15 PM Hi, 1628. rubberducky - 2/8/2001 4:40:03 PM 1629. JayAckroyd - 2/8/2001 4:45:49 PM I did notice that. But the good doctor doesn't seem to answer questions that are posted. I'll try it. 1630. CalGal - 2/8/2001 5:17:18 PM Jay, 1631. CalGal - 2/8/2001 7:46:10 PM Jay, 1632. Uzmakk - 2/8/2001 8:17:02 PM 1633. arkymalarky - 2/8/2001 8:21:11 PM Well.....awright, you talked me into it. Hook me up through Judith. 1634. Uzmakk - 2/8/2001 8:25:58 PM Done, Arky. Do not take this object to the truck stop and spill coffee on it. Please send me your address at haysweep@hotmail.com. 1635. arkymalarky - 2/8/2001 8:27:21 PM Will do. 1636. arkymalarky - 2/8/2001 8:27:50 PM What's the html to fix the margins? 1637. Uzmakk - 2/8/2001 8:29:11 PM I hope you are not asking me. 1638. Uzmakk - 2/8/2001 8:31:20 PM I am but a babe in toyland. 1639. CalGal - 2/8/2001 8:35:44 PM 1640. ScottLoar - 2/8/2001 9:18:06 PM Your work will be well received by me in Chicago. 1641. arkymalarky - 2/8/2001 10:04:12 PM I am but a babe in toyland. 1642. JayAckroyd - 2/9/2001 1:50:27 PM CalGal-- 1643. JayAckroyd - 2/10/2001 10:05:00 AM If you're into this kind of thing: 1644. JayAckroyd - 2/10/2001 10:15:38 AM If you are into the kind of thing I posted in the previous note, don't bother to do anything about it if you are in the US. The autoreply I got when I sent in my info said that they'd stopped tracking US responses. They're getting over 5000 responses a day.... 1645. CalGal - 2/10/2001 10:32:32 AM Jay, I sent the info on--did you get it, or was it one of the rejected emails I got from your server today? 1646. JayAckroyd - 2/10/2001 11:27:52 AM Yes, I got it. Thank you. I'll let you know my schedule when I know my schedule. 1647. Uzmakk - 2/12/2001 10:35:31 AM Loar: 1648. theDiva - 2/13/2001 4:17:50 AM Might as well post this here, too (message from our IT dept): 1649. seadate - 2/13/2001 12:50:22 PM I'm excited about seeing Uzmakk's work. 1650. Uzmakk - 2/13/2001 3:15:58 PM Seadate: 1651. seadate - 2/13/2001 3:22:34 PM Uzmakk, 1652. rubberducky - 2/13/2001 3:23:46 PM 1653. seadate - 2/13/2001 3:25:06 PM wasn't very important anyhow .... 1654. Uzmakk - 2/13/2001 4:34:32 PM Thank you for the toy check, Rupert. 1655. Uzmakk - 2/13/2001 5:42:44 PM i.e., Rupert Dickie, Ducky. 1656. ScottLoar - 2/13/2001 5:57:27 PM Uzmakk; 1657. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 2/13/2001 6:56:37 PM I note that in my thread maintenance menu there is an option called "manage conversations." 1658. ChristinO - 2/13/2001 7:52:01 PM Dr. X, 1659. Andonly - 2/14/2001 4:32:54 PM Uzmakk, 1660. seadate - 2/15/2001 12:39:55 PM Uzmakk, 1661. Uzmakk - 2/15/2001 1:08:36 PM 1662. Uzmakk - 2/15/2001 1:09:57 PM 1663. ScottLoar - 2/15/2001 1:32:16 PM Uzmakk, I would most kindly note that I should hardly need a description of a book I'm soon to have in hand, especially one that's illustrated. 1664. Mojo - 2/15/2001 3:56:14 PM I can't log on as Rs, so... 1665. arkymalarky - 2/15/2001 9:57:00 PM No. Surely not. 1666. Uzmakk - 2/16/2001 11:22:23 AM Loar must be showing my book off like a good fellow, otherwise I would have expected some kind of comment by now. 1667. AytchMan - 2/18/2001 5:07:24 PM Get ready for Instant Messaging Spam, everybody. 1668. rubberducky - 2/19/2001 10:52:09 AM 1669. Uzmakk - 2/19/2001 11:55:44 AM seadate: 1670. JudithAtHome - 2/19/2001 11:59:35 AM Uz: 1671. Uzmakk - 2/19/2001 12:10:25 PM I believe it is being sent to you either today or tomorrow. Heads up! 1672. ScottLoar - 2/19/2001 1:13:32 PM Please, I just received the work late Friday afternoon, took pictures on Sunday, and now today must repack and tomorrow send off. Fairly quick I reckon. When I have sent off the book I'll say so giving a tracking number. 1673. wabbit - 2/19/2001 1:24:18 PM Uzmakk, 1674. uzmakk - 2/19/2001 1:26:41 PM Relax, loar, relax. I had originally intended that people could hang on to the book for a week or longer. I believe it was you who mentioning this hurried shipping date. No pressure, relax, hang on to it, it is ribbed for your pleasure after all. 1675. ChristinO - 2/19/2001 1:32:09 PM Dang. 1676. JudithAtHome - 2/19/2001 1:46:24 PM oooooohhh, CO...good one! 1677. JJBiener - 2/19/2001 2:22:41 PM CO - Actually Adam was "ribbed" to make Eve and you are just the beneficiary of it. Of course I am sure you love a good "ribbing" with the best of them, but that is another discussion. 1678. ScottLoar - 2/19/2001 4:00:17 PM JudithAtHome; 1679. Uzmakk - 2/20/2001 8:21:31 AM ChristinO: 1680. Uzmakk - 2/20/2001 8:39:58 AM Wabbit: 1681. seadate - 2/20/2001 12:39:11 PM wabbit, 1682. JudithAtHome - 2/20/2001 12:44:10 PM seadate: 1683. RosettaStone - 2/20/2001 12:56:07 PM I can wait to snuggle up on our flea-bitten couch with my perky, pesty wife and read a good book---the usual. 1684. RosettaStone - 2/20/2001 1:10:03 PM can=can't 1685. Uzmakk - 2/20/2001 2:15:47 PM Texans of the Mote and others round about, be it known among you that one of the finest collections of modern(American) designer bookbindings is at SMU in Dallas. 1686. Uzmakk - 2/20/2001 2:17:13 PM For instance, seadate, a nice shot of you holding the object over the side of your boat as Jaws snaps at it would be good. 1687. labwabbit - 2/20/2001 2:23:58 PM Goodbye all you people, 1688. JudithAtHome - 2/20/2001 2:41:55 PM Oh no...what are doing to us, lab? Surely you jest? 1689. JudithAtHome - 2/20/2001 2:44:00 PM you, what are YOU doing...jeez, I didn't even have wine with lunch! 1690. Uzmakk - 2/20/2001 2:58:50 PM labby: 1691. robertjayb - 2/20/2001 3:15:38 PM Baby please don't go, 1692. Uzmakk - 2/20/2001 3:55:56 PM Van Morrison and Them play as Nicholas Cage heads toward New Orleans in Wild at Heart. 1693. labwabbit - 2/20/2001 6:16:40 PM wabbit, 1694. labwabbit - 2/20/2001 6:20:25 PM To borrow a line from an old classic: 1695. JudithAtHome - 2/20/2001 6:30:01 PM lab: 1696. wabbit - 2/20/2001 11:24:39 PM Seadate, 1697. arkymalarky - 2/21/2001 12:28:30 AM Lab, 1698. Uzmakk - 2/21/2001 12:39:53 PM I must tell you, now that Aubrey is on his way, that I visited the master last weekend. We discussed the execution of one of the items in my portfolio, thus-- 1699. seadate - 2/21/2001 1:36:17 PM An artsy-fartsy type is Uzmakk. 1700. Uzmakk - 2/22/2001 5:25:31 PM Ah, seadate has discovered the true me. 1701. ScottLoar - 2/22/2001 5:27:37 PM Uzmakk is a craftsman inspired by beauty and what his skills can bring to a piece. 1702. Uzmakk - 2/22/2001 8:38:03 PM Actually, seadate, I am surprised that more Republicans have not asked to be put on my tour list. This is truly republican art: while the work is artsy it is hardly fartsy, no excrement at all being used in its decoration. 1703. JayAckroyd - 2/23/2001 9:06:13 AM We are stil experiencing intermittent problems. There are two PVCs supporting our circuit, and one is failing intermittently. 1704. seadate - 2/23/2001 11:43:30 AM This is truly republican art: while the work is artsy it is hardly fartsy, no excrement at all being used in its decoration. 1705. Uzmakk - 2/23/2001 12:07:26 PM I have no idea, seadate. 1706. JudithAtHome - 2/23/2001 12:09:07 PM Uz: 1707. ycmeehan - 2/23/2001 12:23:53 PM JayAckroyd, 1708. Uzmakk - 2/23/2001 12:27:26 PM Ditto that. I believe I made a post somewhere where I said I was starting to get the jitters. 1709. Uzmakk - 2/23/2001 12:28:26 PM Cool, Judith. 1710. ScottLoar - 2/23/2001 1:04:50 PM I, too, am expecting you to get the book JudithAtHome. 1711. PelleNilsson - 2/23/2001 2:19:13 PM I bring greetings from stostosto who has not been around for a while. For some time he has not been happy with his current job and has been looking for more challenging alternatives of which he now has one or two. That's the main reason he has not posted. He hopes to visit next month. 1712. robertjayb - 2/23/2001 3:28:28 PM It would be nice to have a little Danish. 1713. PelleNilsson - 2/23/2001 4:18:02 PM robert 1714. robertjayb - 2/23/2001 4:39:10 PM Thanks, but I was thinking of something in the pastry line. No apricot filling, please. 1715. arkymalarky - 2/23/2001 9:30:42 PM I was worrying about Sto. Glad he's ok. 1716. CalGal - 2/23/2001 9:33:08 PM Ditto. 1717. Uzmakk - 2/27/2001 9:43:55 AM Ditto on Sto. 1718. seadate - 2/27/2001 2:06:11 PM Uzmakk, 1719. wabbit - 3/1/2001 10:01:13 AM Gatekeeping duties have been assumed by glendajean (thanks, gj!). 1720. Uzmakk - 3/1/2001 10:01:57 AM Seadate, 1721. JudithAtHome - 3/1/2001 10:08:02 AM Uz: 1722. Uzmakk - 3/1/2001 10:17:02 AM Cool, Judith. 1723. ScottLoar - 3/1/2001 10:31:14 AM The photos of your book in the hands of my wife and I are still in our camera. 1724. seadate - 3/1/2001 12:33:28 PM Uzmakk, 1725. Uzmakk - 3/1/2001 1:28:29 PM Loar: 1726. PelleNilsson - 3/1/2001 2:18:23 PM If the book arrives here the week before Easter it can travel with me past the northernmost point in Europe (Nordkap). 1727. Uzmakk - 3/1/2001 6:26:59 PM I am looking into it Pelle, for this would be a truly marvelous thing. 1728. arkymalarky - 3/1/2001 8:50:17 PM Who gets it after I do? 1729. AytchMan - 3/2/2001 12:40:44 AM The Second Annual (Sort Of) Survivor Pool is now under way. Check the ridiculously cultured Survivor 2 thread. 1730. CalGal - 3/2/2001 3:48:09 PM Aytch--you might want to add a news article, too. 1731. Uzmakk - 3/2/2001 3:54:34 PM AytchMan: 1732. AytchMan - 3/2/2001 5:22:52 PM Uzmakk-- 1733. ycmeehan - 3/2/2001 5:27:53 PM Uzmakk, 1734. JJBiener - 3/2/2001 6:08:25 PM YC - It is a terrible movie starring Eddie Murphy. 1735. AceofSpades - 3/3/2001 2:21:34 AM 1736. JudithAtHome - 3/3/2001 7:45:38 AM According to reports, it's the XFL which will have a brief career. 1737. joezan - 3/3/2001 9:16:51 AM Ace: 1738. joezan - 3/3/2001 9:33:08 AM 1739. Uzmakk - 3/6/2001 2:16:06 PM Pelle Nilsson: 1740. PelleNilsson - 3/6/2001 4:19:24 PM I am delighted. I'll be sure to take a photo when the book passes the polar circle. Look out tomorrow in the Travel Thread for a map showing the itinarary. 1741. Rivendell - 3/6/2001 5:37:18 PM Diva, Greg and Gracie are pleased to announce the birth of their new daughter/sister. The little one is 9 lbs. 6 oz. and 19 inches long. Gracie left the message on my home answering machine at 2:56pm (CT) and added that she is, "the cutest baby she's ever seen." 1742. PelleNilsson - 3/6/2001 5:41:55 PM That's extraordinarily good news. 1743. AytchMan - 3/11/2001 6:04:38 PM Hey Ace and Jade-- 1744. Uzmakk - 3/11/2001 7:46:48 PM The Great Legal Scholar, Uzmakk, is on the warpath Comments are welcome. 1745. Uzmakk - 3/11/2001 7:47:37 PM Say that zoning laws allow for detached garages in your neighborhood, if certain criteria are met. Your neighbors meet the criteria and have garages. You do not meet the criteria and are not allowed a garage. BUT, the land on which you live is zoned for garages; almost everyone has one. In this case, one applies for a "variance" because, one would argue, that it is a "hardship on the land", i.e., the land cannot be developed in the same manner as other land subject to the same zoning laws. The "hardship" has nothing to do with not being able to make a buck. 1746. Uzmakk - 3/11/2001 7:53:07 PM Perhaps I should decrease the separation between the words "fishy" and "chummy". 1747. seadate - 3/12/2001 2:51:01 PM Uz got mail. 1748. seadate - 3/12/2001 2:52:06 PM Heading to Arky by tonight, hopefully. 1749. arkymalarky - 3/12/2001 6:12:45 PM Cool! 1750. seadate - 3/12/2001 6:15:09 PM Arky, it looks like I'll be sending via Fedex, if it doesn' cost a fortune. 1751. arkymalarky - 3/12/2001 6:19:00 PM Sounds good. 1752. seadate - 3/12/2001 6:24:52 PM Arky, check your email to see that I've got my facts right, cause I'm heading to Fedex. 1753. arkymalarky - 3/12/2001 6:27:04 PM OK. 1754. seadate - 3/13/2001 10:26:11 AM Arky, Uz: 1755. arkymalarky - 3/13/2001 5:47:18 PM I haven't seen it, but I'll keep my eyes open. How late in the day do they deliver? 1756. seadate - 3/13/2001 5:50:36 PM Arky, 1757. arkymalarky - 3/13/2001 5:52:16 PM I'm already starting to worry about it. Maybe I ought to take a day off tomorrow. ;-) 1758. seadate - 3/13/2001 5:55:57 PM haha, I think I will too. 1759. arkymalarky - 3/13/2001 7:33:32 PM I got the book! It's beautifully packaged, and the book itself is lovely. I'm anxious to look over the works inside more closely. I'm going to spend a lot of time enjoying it over the next two or three days before I pass it on. 1760. ScottLoar - 3/13/2001 7:57:51 PM I am flattered you remember my clumsy praise. 1761. ScottLoar - 3/13/2001 8:19:27 PM I've just this late afternoon finished a second reading of Ancient Smut, pp.18-19, Archaeology Odyssey, September/October 2000, explaining that although "the graphic depictions of men, women and gods involved in acts of copulation" were obviously intended to titillate (there is an especially fine photograph of a carved marble satyr screwing a goat - in the missionary position no less) not all artifacts were intended as erotica. The exaggerated and erect penis seemed a talisman for bakeries to ensure the bread would rise, and ithyphallic figurines connotated good luck. I would think such archeaological finds and paintings from ancient Greece and Rome were sufficiently common to Beardsley that he drew on them for his drawings, although in good faith his intent was probably lascivious whitewashed for the late Victorian "younger or more sensitive viewers" by the allusion to the classical figurines and drawings. 1762. ScottLoar - 3/13/2001 8:27:58 PM I'm just trying to put Beardsley's drawings in context, for the likeness to classical works is clearly there. 1763. ScottLoar - 3/13/2001 8:32:26 PM Another related item of interest: The Etruscans used the stone phallus as a gravemarker with names carved on one side, the whole "representing the Etruscans' belief in the afterlife". 1764. arkymalarky - 3/13/2001 8:37:13 PM At Pompeii they were in concrete on the streets, pointing in the direction of the nearest bordellos. They had huge painted ones in homes, for fertility, if I recall, and we were in one villa when Mose had the video camera, and she cracked me up as she filmed the entire wall without ever noticing the humongous phallus painted on it. 1765. JudithAtHome - 3/13/2001 8:45:32 PM arky: 1766. seadate - 3/14/2001 1:38:02 PM Arky, whew! 1767. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 4:19:34 PM I just received this warning about a new virus from our...? protection service? (what are those called?) 1768. Uzmakk - 3/14/2001 5:30:26 PM Egad!!! The Judge's Disembowler!!! It's Capellini, he's after me!! 1769. Uzmakk - 3/14/2001 5:32:23 PM oooooh, I guess the Judge's Disembowler is was written at Bowlerina. 1770. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 5:35:17 PM Bowlerama... 1771. seadate - 3/14/2001 5:37:43 PM The Bowelry? 1772. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 5:41:02 PM Arky is probably deep in bowels of Uzmakks book right now...lucky girl! 1773. seadate - 3/14/2001 5:45:43 PM It's where sinners go. 1774. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 5:49:40 PM I'm there! Glass in hand and.....hmmmm, paté on toast! 1775. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 5:51:54 PM Er, I left a "the" out of the post about Arky and Uzmakks book...and I wish to rescind the noun, anyhow. "Deep in the heart" is much better. 1776. seadate - 3/14/2001 5:57:31 PM Thanks for clearing that up Judith. I thought it was some sort of grammatical joke that I didn't understand ... sorta like Pelle's addition of consonants at the end of properly spelled words. 1777. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 6:00:08 PM We only have what the grocery seafood departments consider fresh...ooooohhh, are you talking the kind we can dip in cocktail sauce and squeeze their little tails off? 1778. seadate - 3/14/2001 6:02:22 PM Yep, or make some of Maria's ceviche. 1779. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 6:03:44 PM Just let me know what we need...where's her recipe? In H&G? 1780. seadate - 3/14/2001 6:08:53 PM I'm not sure, Judith. Maybe in the Cafe somewhere. I asked her for a Cuban recipe, so she gave me one different than any I've had before. We can discuss details as the time approaches ... a full blown shrimp boil may seriously detract from the Fest ;) 1781. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 6:11:01 PM Yes, they have great crawdads at the Fest.(!) I hear.... 1782. seadate - 3/14/2001 6:23:14 PM Yum 1783. AytchMan - 3/15/2001 4:33:33 PM ace-- 1784. Francis Urquhart - 3/16/2001 11:48:47 AM The Mote Consolidation Act of 2001 is in post 9838 in New Thread and Feature Suggestions. 1785. PelleNilsson - 3/16/2001 2:23:21 PM Correction: 1786. ChristinO - 3/16/2001 5:29:20 PM Autodaffy: got your mail and responded. You can also reach me more quickly through instant message at AOL --bridgeburner69 or on ICQ #14021875. 1787. AceofSpades - 3/17/2001 4:16:05 PM 1788. Francis Urquhart - 3/17/2001 4:19:37 PM Well, that reminds me. 1789. AceofSpades - 3/17/2001 4:24:33 PM 1790. AceofSpades - 3/17/2001 4:32:19 PM 1791. CalGal - 3/17/2001 4:34:16 PM I have Sony Playstation. 1792. AceofSpades - 3/17/2001 4:40:26 PM 1793. Francis Urquhart - 3/17/2001 6:23:09 PM Ace, Cal 1794. Autodaffy - 3/18/2001 11:59:07 AM Notice is hereby given that someone using the name Autodaffy is hosting a new thread "The Future of Education." I hereby notify any and all that I will not be responsible for the debts or comments of this host. 1795. AytchMan - 3/19/2001 12:26:27 AM Earthlink Users-- 1796. CalGal - 3/19/2001 12:31:42 AM That's scary. I just signed Spawn up for his own account on Earthlink. 1797. AytchMan - 3/19/2001 12:36:34 AM There doesn't seem to be much doubt about the super-cookie. The question is what it's being used for, if anything. 1798. AytchMan - 3/19/2001 1:00:59 AM While we're on the subject, anybody can get a free online security and/or virus check here: 1799. AceofSpades - 3/20/2001 1:47:06 AM 1800. dusty - 3/23/2001 2:53:29 PM So it TT down yet again?!? 1801. PelleNilsson - 3/23/2001 3:10:42 PM Lately they lost something like 24 hours worth of posts and last I checked in, the subscription feature had gone awry. Looks like it's a big problem and they are doing fixes without knowing what it's really about. 1802. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 3/25/2001 11:10:28 PM Notice to all denzelens of the Mote. 1803. PelleNilsson - 3/26/2001 7:18:19 AM As of Sunday Europe is on summer time. CET=GMT+2 1804. PsychProf - 3/26/2001 7:26:12 AM Pelle...we're gettin snow here today. 1805. PelleNilsson - 3/26/2001 7:31:09 AM So do we as a matter of fact. 1806. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 3/27/2001 2:37:57 PM 1807. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 3/27/2001 2:39:25 PM Add the always wise Muzakk to my friends list. An oversight on the good doctor's part, dear chap. 1808. Uzmakk - 3/30/2001 4:14:43 PM I am going to have to make a trip to NYC this coming Monday. Anyone available for lunch? 1809. AceofSpades - 4/1/2001 9:44:17 PM Help! 1810. marshame - 4/2/2001 2:08:47 PM Atychman 1811. AytchMan - 4/2/2001 8:45:25 PM marshame-- 1812. RickNelson - 4/3/2001 1:45:50 PM There are two new sub-threads in Poetry, Haiku and Limericks. 1813. mgleason - 4/3/2001 4:44:26 PM Dear Salon Reader/Table Talk Participant, 1814. mgleason - 4/3/2001 4:45:09 PM 5. Should Table Talk become a user-supported service, which of the following fee structures most appeals to you? 1815. mgleason - 4/3/2001 4:45:25 PM 9. If so, which other online communities do you frequent (check all that apply)? 1816. CalGal - 4/3/2001 4:50:22 PM Ha, ha. Everyone should answer this survey and put "The Mote" for Other. 1817. MsIvoryTower - 4/3/2001 4:50:51 PM Maria 1818. PsychProf - 4/3/2001 4:52:58 PM Gonna get me an umbrella whilst I can... 1819. mgleason - 4/3/2001 4:53:20 PM CG and the Ms, 1820. CalGal - 4/3/2001 5:23:01 PM Amusing post from Scott Rosenberg: 1821. CalGal - 4/3/2001 5:34:04 PM The other odd thing is this: they'll charge $30/year for ad free content. But most magazines charge $30 or more a year for a subscription and ads. How the hell would they make any money that way? 1822. Shannon - 4/3/2001 5:35:57 PM CG, there's some discussion of the survey in MWT. Your name came up. It's kind of funny. 1823. CalGal - 4/3/2001 5:50:01 PM My name came up? Gosh, that never happens. (g) 1824. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 5:53:07 PM 1825. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 5:55:10 PM 1826. CalGal - 4/3/2001 5:56:22 PM Don't you mean in the black? 1827. CalGal - 4/3/2001 5:58:08 PM Ace, 1828. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 6:01:06 PM "Don't you mean in the black? " 1829. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 6:04:54 PM 1830. CalGal - 4/3/2001 6:05:13 PM Shannon, 1831. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 6:07:13 PM 1832. CalGal - 4/3/2001 6:10:26 PM Ace, 1833. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 6:16:03 PM 1834. Stumbo - 4/3/2001 6:20:29 PM 30,000 is 1-2% of 1.5-3 million. 1835. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 6:22:09 PM "Look, TT is essentially "free content" provided by the readers themselves which is at least as much an attraction as their professional content" 1836. AceofSpades - 4/3/2001 6:23:45 PM "30,000 is 1-2% of 1.5-3 million." 1837. vonKreedon - 4/4/2001 10:12:23 AM Ace - A while back, at the top of this page if viewed at 50 posts per, you asked for computer game suggestions. 1838. aytchman - 4/4/2001 4:29:02 PM ace and vk-- 1839. aytchman - 4/4/2001 4:38:49 PM ace-- 1840. AceofSpades - 4/4/2001 4:41:42 PM 1841. AceofSpades - 4/4/2001 4:47:15 PM Incidentally, let me recommend a game I don't own, but I'd like to: Clive Barker's Undying. 1842. AceofSpades - 4/4/2001 4:51:57 PM 1843. dusty - 4/7/2001 5:25:32 PM To Ms. No. 1844. seadate - 4/9/2001 11:51:38 AM Uzmakk, how about an update on the book. 1845. PelleNilsson - 4/9/2001 11:54:59 AM seadate 1846. seadate - 4/9/2001 1:12:29 PM Thanks, Pelle. Time is certainly running short. 1847. PelleNilsson - 4/10/2001 1:34:37 PM Unfortunately the book has not arrived so it will not go north with us. 1848. Ms. No - 4/10/2001 1:59:29 PM Oh, gosh, Dusty, I'm sorry. I got your emails, which I'm sure you know by now since I responded to you. I never even saw your message here until today. Guess I'd better pay more attention, eh? 1849. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2001 2:28:06 PM 1850. PelleNilsson - 4/10/2001 2:37:34 PM Indy in playing mode and worshippers: 1851. Uzmakk - 4/10/2001 5:03:43 PM Sonofabitch about the book. Pelle mentioned not having received it on the weekend but I figured it would surely reach him within the following two days. Have sent e-mail to Wabbit for information on the carrier and tracking #. What a piss. Oh, the trials and tribulations of a world tour. 1852. JudithAtHome - 4/10/2001 5:06:15 PM Uz: 1853. Ms. No - 4/10/2001 5:09:43 PM What a cool game! Has anyone played it yet? 1854. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2001 5:41:23 PM Ms. No: Not yet, but it does sound like one I ought to stay away from (probably played Civilization II upwards of 200 hours). 1855. Indiana Jones - 4/11/2001 8:23:53 AM 1856. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 1:04:44 PM Say we get 10 requests for ID's in the next half-an-hour. Is registration instantaneous? How long will it take for them to be able to post away? 1857. seadate - 4/11/2001 1:16:57 PM Was well within 30 for me. 1858. Ms. No - 4/11/2001 1:24:46 PM Banks, 1859. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 1:26:19 PM One never knows, Ms No, one never knows. 1860. Ms. No - 4/11/2001 1:40:56 PM grrr...NOT likely 1861. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 1:43:13 PM 1862. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 1:44:51 PM 1863. Ms. No - 4/11/2001 1:47:30 PM Not an actuary, I suppose. 1864. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 1:48:48 PM No, of course not. But thanks. 1865. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 1:50:16 PM 1866. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 1:50:37 PM Spades, 1867. Ms. No - 4/11/2001 1:52:10 PM And how is the archon these days? 1868. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 1:52:49 PM 1869. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 1:53:13 PM 1870. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 1:55:46 PM Pseuder specializes in knowing words like that. 1871. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 1:58:50 PM 1872. Indiana Jones - 4/11/2001 2:04:11 PM 1873. mgleason - 4/11/2001 2:05:11 PM Tahsildar used to mean 'the chief collector of revenue in a subdivision of a district in India.' 1874. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 2:07:09 PM 1875. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 2:10:33 PM It still means that. 1876. mgleason - 4/11/2001 2:16:22 PM According to the OED, tahsildar currently refers to the official in charge of a tahsil, the administrative division comprising several villages. 1877. marjoribanks - 4/11/2001 2:20:49 PM Oh. Yeah, that's what it means. It's in the newspapers a lot. 1878. mgleason - 4/11/2001 2:41:04 PM There's also aulnager (or ulnager), an inspector of textiles who certified the measure and collected taxes. 1879. glendajean - 4/11/2001 2:47:04 PM One thing that could speed up processing is if somebody could send the Mote Gatekeeper a list of current freebie sites. 1880. Indiana Jones - 4/11/2001 2:54:21 PM gj: While gatekeeper, I sent a list to Cal that Jessica Fine gave me of the sites TT screens. I don't think that list was ever implemented in the script because people still used some of them. 1881. Ms. No - 4/11/2001 3:12:29 PM Glendajean, 1882. mgleason - 4/11/2001 3:19:15 PM Ace, 1883. PsychProf - 4/11/2001 3:22:11 PM Very impressive Maria. 1884. mgleason - 4/11/2001 3:26:57 PM Thanks, you; I like word puzzles. 1885. glendajean - 4/11/2001 4:39:24 PM Thanks, Indy, and Mucho Thanks, Ms No. 1886. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 5:00:34 PM mgleason, 1887. AceofSpades - 4/11/2001 5:03:08 PM 1888. ycmeehan - 4/13/2001 8:11:03 AM 1889. Uzmakk - 4/13/2001 11:35:12 AM re: Beardsley, Uzmakk, Mote world tour 1890. Uzmakk - 4/13/2001 11:40:42 AM No, really folks, the book seems to be lost and Wabbit has not answered my e-mails for two days. 1891. Ms. No - 4/13/2001 12:15:24 PM Wabbit's working 18hr days this week, so don't get too worried yet. 1892. JayAckroyd - 4/13/2001 1:30:53 PM I've posted a question in the slow thread regarding the future of computing and MS platforms. I'd appreciate any geeky insights. 1893. Uzmakk - 4/13/2001 2:23:21 PM 18 hr days are not good for a body. 1894. JayAckroyd - 4/13/2001 2:35:01 PM Uzmakk-- 1895. Uzmakk - 4/15/2001 9:31:06 AM Mr. Ackroyd: 1896. labwabbit - 4/16/2001 3:02:17 PM seadate: 1897. seadate - 4/17/2001 12:43:41 PM I knew you wouldn't understand :) 1898. PsychProf - 4/17/2001 1:01:35 PM Seadate's a file short. 1899. seadate - 4/17/2001 2:56:36 PM busted 1900. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 3:34:14 PM Uh sea-shorts... 1901. seadate - 4/17/2001 3:45:01 PM It was Colin Powell's sideways apology. 1902. Deep Thoughts - 4/17/2001 3:52:26 PM Why do rivers flow to the sea? 1903. labwabbit - 4/17/2001 3:54:42 PM Too deep ... 1904. seadate - 4/17/2001 3:55:03 PM Uh-Oh ..... lemee guess. 1905. seadate - 4/17/2001 3:58:59 PM Elementary. Cause water flows to a lower elevation implying that the shallow runs to hide in the 'Deep" ...... Deep Thoughts is Rosie. 1906. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/17/2001 6:51:37 PM > The book should have 1907. arkymalarky - 4/17/2001 7:45:49 PM Hey, nobody'd better messed with Rose. 1908. arkymalarky - 4/17/2001 7:46:39 PM Hey, XTC. Put away your toys. 1909. arkymalarky - 4/17/2001 7:47:00 PM now? 1910. arkymalarky - 4/17/2001 7:47:31 PM Crap. I give up. I don't feel like looking up the html for centered text. 1911. Deep Thoughts - 4/17/2001 7:54:34 PM Is your love in vain? 1912. arkymalarky - 4/17/2001 7:56:59 PM Never. 1913. JudithAtHome - 4/17/2001 8:10:18 PM TT is down again...routine, they say but I didn't notice any previous announcement today. 1914. JudithAtHome - 4/17/2001 8:10:55 PM That looks pretty cool...I don't know how to make it stop. 1915. vw - 4/17/2001 8:43:05 PM 1916. vw - 4/17/2001 8:46:16 PM BTW tag for centering text is (surprise!) <CENTER></CENTER> 1917. Dusty - 4/18/2001 8:12:42 AM TT down again!! 1918. JudithAtHome - 4/18/2001 9:10:54 AM BTW tag for centering text is (surprise!) 1919. msgreer - 4/19/2001 3:32:52 AM jonesatlaw Help me out. I am replying to your email and it keeps getting bounced back. Strange since I'm hitting the reply. I tried the email you gave me and that is bouncing back too. 1920. jonesatlaw - 4/19/2001 4:29:35 AM MsGreer- 1921. msgreer - 4/19/2001 6:36:59 AM jones Yes I do. That is the one that gets bounced back to me. 1922. msgreer - 4/19/2001 6:53:47 AM jones Check your email. I believe this forward forward forward to jonesatlaw@msn.com finally made it. 1923. Uzmakk - 4/20/2001 8:30:59 AM My Dear Dr. Coltrane: 1924. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/20/2001 2:17:24 PM my friend. 1925. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/20/2001 3:09:43 PM The unilateral peace offered by yours truly as a gift to this Mote between myself and Nilson is hereby null and void. 1926. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/20/2001 3:52:20 PM Muzakk: The good doctor notes that Nilson has links to his so-called "cruise" on the front page of this Mote. 1927. Ms. No - 4/20/2001 7:00:00 PM The archived thread Travels with Pseudoerasmus now has a link to a cleaned up page with full color photos which were no longer visible in the Archives due to Geocities' policy change. 1928. Indiana Jones - 4/25/2001 7:00:39 PM I'm going to be gone for a while (no, not working out my sexual orientation). Mod bods, please keep an eye on the Religion Thread during my absence. 1929. ScottLoar - 4/25/2001 8:19:53 PM For a likeness of what he's become look at what you're holding in your hand the next time you take a piss. 1930. Ms. No - 4/25/2001 8:21:48 PM Ace's thread has been retired and archived. 1931. Mr Id - 4/27/2001 10:33:58 AM 1932. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 10:50:46 AM Mr Id - Very cool animation. 1933. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 10:51:45 AM Mr Id - Sticks and stone may break your bones, but stick figures can kick your ass. 1934. PelleNilsson - 4/27/2001 11:06:17 AM Very cool, indeed. 1935. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 4/27/2001 12:19:56 PM I shall henceforth be signing my missives thusly: 1936. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 12:21:53 PM X - "Unconscious of the Mote" might be more appropriate. 1937. mgleason - 4/27/2001 12:22:06 PM Would that it were reciprocated, eh? 1938. CalGal - 4/27/2001 1:37:22 PM Further on Salon--did anyone notice that they moved some regular features to Salon Premium after saying that they wouldn't? 1939. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 1:40:19 PM Cal - That would require me to actually go to Salon's site. I don't think so. I wouldn't have noticed the change even if I did. 1940. CalGal - 4/27/2001 1:46:02 PM Well, so much for the hyperliteral JJ. I shall restate: it is interesting to see that they weren't able to keep from hiding some of their regular stuff behind the wall. I wonder what their finances are? 1941. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 1:49:10 PM Cal - Sorry. 1942. CalGal - 4/27/2001 1:53:57 PM No, I was laughing at the fact that you had indeed answered my question. 1943. rubberducky - 4/27/2001 1:54:14 PM what was moved? 1944. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 3:28:38 PM Cal - I try to be specific. Actually, I do like to answer people on what they actually say, rather than on what they are trying to say. I have a friend who uses the expression, "No shit?" To which I reply, "None whatsoever." He gets a kick out of it. 1945. CalGal - 4/27/2001 3:39:09 PM Oh, I do it too. 1946. Toenails - 4/28/2001 5:27:10 PM 1947. JudithAtHome - 4/28/2001 6:25:46 PM It's now called Scratchpad and is in the Welcome thread...it is to the right in that thread, in the "butterscotch" bar. 1948. Toenails - 4/28/2001 6:56:02 PM 1949. CalGal - 4/30/2001 4:21:20 PM Salon expects to be delisted in June. 1950. Laura C - 4/30/2001 4:25:04 PM I read it. Scary how long they've been running on fumes. 1951. CalGal - 4/30/2001 4:27:27 PM The salaries are absurd. They confuse themselves with high tech folk, rather than publishers. $200K for a small magazine? 1952. Laura C - 4/30/2001 4:33:01 PM Yeah, the salaries are laughable. 1953. CalGal - 4/30/2001 4:39:58 PM I wonder if the netslaves guy is right about the incestuous nature of the board and such. It does seem as if they've been having a nice ride on stockholders money. 1954. JudithAtHome - 4/30/2001 5:09:51 PM I've sent out 14 e-mails today trying to lure people over if TT crashes...one has just paid for a 2 year sub to Salon! I wouldn't give them a weeks worth...that article, even if it's only half right, was chilling. 1955. CalGal - 4/30/2001 5:15:25 PM Back when we forked out our 20 there was no sense that Slate was due to die. 1956. JudithAtHome - 4/30/2001 5:19:12 PM Reading that thread is what made me decide to send out e-mails to some of those on the threads I frequent the most. 1957. CalGal - 4/30/2001 5:23:45 PM That's a good idea. I'm sure a lot of people know about the Mote anyway. If it did die, I would expect a huge influx here to natter about it for a while, but I suspect a good number of them would go to the Times. 1958. JudithAtHome - 4/30/2001 5:27:44 PM Oh yeah, I'm not expecting everyone to stay but it can't hurt to have them check the place out... 1959. seadate - 5/1/2001 2:43:38 PM Uzmakk, 1960. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:07:10 PM Ace 1961. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:08:05 PM 1962. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:09:27 PM 1963. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:09:44 PM It is mine and a collaborator (ha, ha, so, being the ass that I am, it is mine). 1964. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:13:39 PM 1965. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:14:29 PM I don't need a clean copy. 1966. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:15:09 PM Ace 1967. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:17:35 PM 1968. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:19:36 PM Ace 1969. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:20:42 PM 1970. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:21:40 PM Ace 1971. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:22:57 PM No, not an option for a script. 1972. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:28:09 PM Absolutely. Mi compadre has the info. I'll email him and get you the info. 1973. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:28:57 PM 1974. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:32:58 PM 1975. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:33:34 PM Ace 1976. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:35:38 PM I've been working on something else, but it's not a script, and it doesn't even pay that much. In fact, it pays jackshit. 1977. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:36:47 PM 1978. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:36:55 PM Ace 1979. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:38:26 PM 1980. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:39:30 PM Ha ha ha. 1981. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:40:54 PM 1982. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:43:31 PM If you can get a key grip on what matters, perhaps we can manage an understanding. 1983. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:44:47 PM Pseudo nuclear hijack, kidnapping, blow up the Washington Monument, 60 car chase (40 destroyed), full-scale battle, terorist rescue, final scene at the State of the Union with the potential release of toxic chemicals. 1984. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:46:00 PM You could read it that way, but I was really interested in a modified casting couch. 1985. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 3:51:32 PM 1986. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:53:57 PM The new script is an original script. It is a talky chiller. Right up your alley. 1987. Francis Urquhart - 5/1/2001 3:58:42 PM Ace 1988. glendajean - 5/1/2001 4:01:17 PM You gotta love a festival that turned out Disney's Miracle in Lane Two. 1989. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 4:02:02 PM 1990. CalGal - 5/1/2001 4:05:42 PM GJ, 1991. glendajean - 5/1/2001 4:06:43 PM I wasn't being snarky. I thought it was kinda cute. 1992. glendajean - 5/1/2001 4:07:24 PM I am surprised that drama gets a higher paycheck than comedy. Comedy is so damn difficult to create that really good ones should be rewarded. 1993. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 4:12:25 PM 1994. CalGal - 5/1/2001 4:16:33 PM GJ, 1995. glendajean - 5/1/2001 4:18:17 PM I wasn't making fun of anybody entering the contest. That particular blurb did strike me as funny. 1996. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 4:19:20 PM 1997. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 4:20:53 PM "I wasn't making fun of anybody entering the contest. That particular blurb did strike me as funny." 1998. glendajean - 5/1/2001 4:22:04 PM Gotham is too overused. Go for a liberal college town in a conservative state. (ala Austin, or Madison, Wis.) 1999. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 4:22:29 PM 2000. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 4:22:46 PM 2001. AceofSpades - 5/1/2001 4:30:37 PM 2002. CalGal - 5/1/2001 4:33:15 PM slawyer@hotmail.com 2003. Indiana Jones - 5/2/2001 12:38:05 PM Laura C has been added to the Mote cast (that makes two Jean Tierney's but at least they're different shots). 2004. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 5/3/2001 10:22:29 AM The good doctor wishes to promulgate, proclaim, propeciate and procreate the formation of a new so-called "organization" within Das Moat. It shall be known by the by as the Freedom Union Cooperative Opposition Fighting Front. 2005. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 5/3/2001 11:08:10 AM By the by, the good doctor would appreciate it ever so greatly if some wight with so-called "hosting" abilities would create a front-page link to the missive above. 2006. PelleNilsson - 5/3/2001 2:04:59 PM It is a tale 2007. JJBiener - 5/3/2001 2:35:58 PM Pelle - He uses those words on purpose. It is all a part of the gag. 2008. AceofSpades - 5/3/2001 2:46:54 PM 2009. AceofSpades - 5/3/2001 3:08:16 PM 2010. PelleNilsson - 5/3/2001 4:26:04 PM Good point Ace. Let's hope hi archives the current persona. 2011. PelleNilsson - 5/3/2001 4:26:19 PM hi=he 2012. RosettaStone - 5/4/2001 2:46:54 PM Starting Next WeeK!! 2013. ElliottRW - 5/4/2001 3:38:13 PM I was hoping we could have another "Mote Meltdown." Through a combination of bad luck and bad timing, I have yet to be a part of a meltdown, so I'm really interested in seeing one. As best I can tell, it's a kind of Survivor game where the "castaways" either change their names or get banished to a place called TT. What I just can't seem to figure out is what the prize is. 2014. JudithAtHome - 5/4/2001 3:40:59 PM A Rosetta free zone. 2015. AceofSpades - 5/4/2001 3:42:42 PM 2016. Revenant - 5/5/2001 10:05:58 AM Coming in late June to a Mote near you: 2017. Ms. No - 5/5/2001 12:28:19 PM Come tell us more about it in the Suggestions thread. It sounds like a really cool idea so far! 2018. joezan - 5/5/2001 7:47:15 PM HELP! 2019. wonkers2 - 5/5/2001 7:54:18 PM Shut the gas off where it comes into the furnace or into the house (that would also shut down your water heater). You shouldn't really need the furnace until next fall! That'll give you plenty of time to figure out what's wrong. Sorry I don't know enough to be really helpful. I would just look at the sticker on my furnace and call the plumbing and heating company who installed and services my furnace. Past experience indicates that my efforts to repair things around the house usually worsen the situation. 2020. joezan - 5/5/2001 8:02:50 PM Wonk: 2021. seadate - 5/5/2001 8:15:55 PM joe, 2022. Indiana Jones - 5/5/2001 8:19:23 PM joezan: 2023. JJBiener - 5/5/2001 8:23:52 PM Joe - We had a similar problem with our air conditioner. When we stood in a certain spot in front of the thermostat, the air conditioner would come on. We removed the thermostat and it still happened. It turned out that as the house settle, the wires from the thermostat had gotten pinched and stepping on that spot completed the circuit. The heating guy came out and reran the wires and the problem was solved. 2024. joezan - 5/5/2001 8:37:58 PM JJ: 2025. seadate - 5/5/2001 8:45:28 PM joe, there is an automatic shutoff valve (possibly two). It is likely a solenoid valve (it will have wires running to it) .... rapping on the valve to unstick it may be worth a try. 2026. seadate - 5/5/2001 8:50:37 PM Uzmakk, what's the latest on the book? 2027. joezan - 5/5/2001 8:53:27 PM seadate: 2028. Uzmakk - 5/5/2001 8:54:38 PM My private email address is on the fritz. If anyone wants to get ahold of me use the haysweep@hotmailaddress. 2029. seadate - 5/5/2001 8:56:47 PM joe, are there one or two solenoid valves? 2030. joezan - 5/5/2001 9:02:12 PM One...but I think I just found the problem. I was running my fingers along one of the wires going to that solenoid, looking for its other end, when the insulation started cracking off and falling to ashes. 2031. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:09:22 PM I hope you've thrown the breaker to the furnace. 2032. joezan - 5/5/2001 9:10:29 PM Turned the gas off, and pulled the fuse. 2033. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:11:49 PM The main fuse, I take it. Good. Just checking. 2034. Uzmakk - 5/5/2001 9:12:18 PM Back from Sweden to Boston on Monday or Tuesday. 2035. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:15:09 PM Thanks for the update, Uz. 2036. AytchMan - 5/5/2001 9:15:48 PM joezan-- 2037. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:20:09 PM If you're not proficient with a voltmeter, I concur with AytchMan. 2038. joezan - 5/5/2001 9:32:15 PM Well, I am a brave soul, and I will attempt to repair this stupid thing forthwith, as it is very apparent what happened: the wire, which at one time was coiled up so as to keep it away from the heat, lost much of its coil and drooped to a very hot area just a few inches from the burners. So tomorrow I will replace it. 2039. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:34:19 PM Joe, are you one of those who looks for a gas leak with a lit match? 2040. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:34:59 PM Just kidding, and good luck, Joe. 2041. joezan - 5/5/2001 9:42:59 PM You mean I shouldn't? 2042. JJBiener - 5/5/2001 9:46:07 PM Joe - any idea why the pilot won't light? 2043. AytchMan - 5/5/2001 9:50:21 PM He doesn't smoke? 2044. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:54:27 PM any idea why the pilot won't light? 2045. seadate - 5/5/2001 9:55:09 PM That's my guess, anyway. 2046. joezan - 5/5/2001 10:01:19 PM Ahhhhh.... 2047. seadate - 5/5/2001 10:05:39 PM Things that make ya go boom. 2048. joezan - 5/5/2001 10:08:50 PM Screw it - I'm just gonna buy the whole relay assembly and rewire the thing. If I'm not posting here by 9pm tomorrow, you can put up the memorial thread. 2049. Dusty - 5/8/2001 10:47:38 AM Someone (JJ?) mentioned the Mercedes Gullwing yesterday. 2050. JJBiener - 5/8/2001 10:56:05 AM Dusty - I don't have access to the WSJ. What is on the front page? 2051. marjoribanks - 5/16/2001 4:03:52 PM Indiana Jones is now my hero. 2052. marjoribanks - 5/16/2001 4:15:49 PM Kudos, Indiana. 2053. Indiana Jones - 5/16/2001 9:15:55 PM Scott Loar: Your retraction was a laudable move, and I consider the matter finished. 2054. ScottLoar - 5/16/2001 9:20:22 PM My retraction was sincere and for her benefit. I stupidly did not notice her name in the posts; I was singlemindedly absorbed with Ace and his recent sidekick Sto3. I thought the picture was more of Ace's work. 2055. wonkers2 - 5/16/2001 9:39:37 PM Case closed. 2056. AceofSpades - 5/16/2001 9:47:13 PM 2057. RosettaStone - 5/16/2001 10:21:09 PM Since I embarrassed IJ, I'm sorry. 2058. rubberducky - 5/17/2001 12:16:30 PM There is nothing funny about porn 2059. robertjayb - 5/17/2001 2:10:26 PM The NYTimes touts this (ilor.com) as a useful addition to the google search engine 2060. JayAckroyd - 5/17/2001 2:19:56 PM I have almost all the equipment in place for a series of network upgrades. I expect to do the work on Monday. The mote server is affected in different ways, and so will probably be up and down through some part of the day. I'm also replacing the router, so all my servers will be invisible to the internet for a time. I'll announce when I'm about to take it down, and then reannounce when it is up permanently. Does someone have a mailing list for the latter announcement? 2061. CalGal - 5/17/2001 3:26:57 PM I have a large list to start with; I'll incorporate the Mote email address list in case I'm missing any, and I suggest we post it in TT as well. 2062. JayAckroyd - 5/17/2001 3:28:54 PM Wait until i give you a narrower time window. 2063. CalGal - 5/17/2001 3:30:42 PM Absolutely. 2064. JayAckroyd - 5/21/2001 1:51:54 PM In half an hour I am going to switch routers and test. We will be down from 14:30 EDT to 15:00 EDT. 2065. JayAckroyd - 5/21/2001 1:51:57 PM In half an hour I am going to switch routers and test. We will be down from 14:30 EDT to 15:00 EDT. 2066. Fielding - 5/21/2001 2:26:43 PM Is this test going to cause doubles? 2067. Fielding - 5/21/2001 2:26:55 PM Is this test going to cause doubles? 2068. JayAckroyd - 5/21/2001 2:57:51 PM Yes. 2069. JJBiener - 5/24/2001 3:59:15 PM We finally have a date for the BB King gig. My band, Just Water, will be opening for BB King on September 1, 2001 at the Casino Queen Blues Festival. 2070. Ms. No - 5/24/2001 4:02:33 PM Congratulations!!!! 2071. marjoribanks - 5/30/2001 11:42:23 AM Fielding, 2072. seadate - 5/30/2001 1:29:28 PM Fielding's posts were so off-key they were obviously Dylan. 2073. seadate - 5/30/2001 1:29:56 PM Ms No, check yer mail please. 2074. DanDillon - 6/3/2001 2:56:23 PM A wonderful thing. 2075. RickNelson - 6/5/2001 7:28:41 PM I've missed you all, I hope to be back soon, but the truth is I've no computer to use. My time went haywire, when I seperated. Well, maybe I can get settled soon. 2076. CalGal - 6/5/2001 7:34:18 PM Rick, it's good to hear from you. Computers are very cheap these days. Take care. 2077. Uzmakk - 6/6/2001 3:01:27 PM AMD vs. Intel 2078. JJBiener - 6/6/2001 3:42:30 PM Uzmakk - I have an AMD chip in one computer and an Intel chip in the other. I have not noticed a difference between the two. I have heard that there are some slight compatibility problems, but I have never come across one. 2079. Francis Urquhart - 6/6/2001 3:59:44 PM Ace 2080. AceofSpades - 6/6/2001 4:05:40 PM 2081. Uzmakk - 6/6/2001 4:55:57 PM Thank you, Ace. 2082. MaxMacks - 6/7/2001 3:35:53 PM UZ , are you really a bookbinder. 2083. Uzmakk - 6/7/2001 5:14:16 PM I am indeed, Max. I would expect that you could do what I intend to do, and that is enlist the services of a commercial printer. Ofcourse, you could print the book on your computer and I could bind it for you. 2084. Uzmakk - 6/7/2001 5:15:31 PM I don't know how I made the mistake but I thought Ace answered my computer question and not you Beiner. Anyhow, thanks, Beiner. 2085. MaxMacks - 6/8/2001 5:04:33 PM 2083 . Many thanks Kuz Uz. 2086. MaxMacks - 6/8/2001 5:11:16 PM Uz , my keyboard is faulty , the sentence should read,...." discuss this outside of this More via 2087. AytchMan - 6/8/2001 9:51:49 PM Uzperson 2077-- 2088. CalGal - 6/9/2001 12:31:31 AM Aytch, 2089. Slackjaw - 6/9/2001 12:54:47 AM Aytch, anyone 2090. AytchMan - 6/9/2001 7:01:36 PM slackjaw-- 2091. AytchMan - 6/9/2001 7:14:24 PM cal-- 2092. AytchMan - 6/9/2001 8:28:36 PM This just in-- 2093. AytchMan - 6/9/2001 8:41:51 PM slackjaw et all-- 2094. Slackjaw - 6/9/2001 9:19:01 PM Thanks Aytchman. 2095. AytchMan - 6/9/2001 9:44:16 PM Originally, the Celeron was a dog. I can't quite remember now but I think Intel crippled it (with too little cache memory) to protect its big brother's profit margins. They eventually corrected this and now it's an okay chip. But as always, it's not performance that counts for most of us but price/performance. 2096. Uzmakk - 6/10/2001 6:33:38 PM I recommend that we change the name of this thread to Noits and Queeros. 2097. AytchMan - 6/11/2001 12:18:32 AM So noited. 2098. Uzmakk - 6/11/2001 11:32:09 AM I am signing off the Mote until this damn computer gets put in the basement. I just don't have access when I need it. Then my work time gets messed up with Mote time. You people are just so much fun. That includes Ms. Alazman. 2099. CalGal - 6/11/2001 9:33:06 PM Aytch, 2100. AytchMan - 6/12/2001 4:05:22 AM cal-- 2101. PelleNilsson - 6/12/2001 4:23:14 AM Homestead is going subscription. Any other known free sites which allow linking to pictures? 2102. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 1:16:57 PM oris is the magic bean word. 2103. MaxMacks - 6/12/2001 7:14:52 PM Uz or anyone. I told a friend about www.themote.com and he said he tried to register but that the Mote is not taking any new 2104. arkymalarky - 6/12/2001 7:24:06 PM Only if they remove a w. 2105. Uzmakk - 6/12/2001 9:26:03 PM Come on, Max! When are you and your friends going to get your thumbs operated on? 2106. MaxMacks - 6/13/2001 12:10:57 AM Damm , Uz wyed you have to remind me of that 2107. Slackjaw - 6/13/2001 2:08:26 PM Anyone have a DSL provider they like or don't like, and noteworthy reasons why? 2108. Indiana Jones - 6/13/2001 2:24:33 PM Slackjaw: You might try this site-- 2109. boyblue - 6/13/2001 3:02:09 PM Mote registered me...but it took three days. I guess they don't like casual interlopers. 2110. boyblue - 6/13/2001 3:04:10 PM Geocities does. 2111. Slackjaw - 6/13/2001 3:08:56 PM thanks for the tip Indiana 2112. PelleNilsson - 6/13/2001 3:10:46 PM boyblue 2113. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 4:27:20 PM Hey, great website boyblue. 2114. Bill Hubbard - 6/13/2001 7:11:15 PM Testing...1...2...3. Is this thing on? Can you hear me back there? 2115. JudithAtHome - 6/13/2001 7:11:57 PM Yes, we can...welcome to the Mote! 2116. MaxMacks - 6/13/2001 8:41:38 PM Hey there I know someone named Bill. 2117. Indiana Jones - 6/14/2001 4:16:48 PM I've created a Mote Forum at World Crossing so that any Moterheads who wish to promote our site have a venue to do so. 2118. vargasgirl - 6/14/2001 8:25:33 PM Max!! 2119. seadate - 6/15/2001 8:53:59 AM Lotsa new faces. Welcome blueboy, Bill and vargasgirl! 2120. khaval alazman - 6/16/2001 2:19:37 PM How do you create a sub-thread? 2121. AceofSpades - 6/16/2001 3:02:45 PM 2122. joezan - 6/17/2001 12:50:09 AM Did your pc come with a product recovery disk? 2123. AytchMan - 6/17/2001 9:26:50 PM ace-- 2124. AceofSpades - 6/17/2001 10:44:00 PM 2125. Indiana Jones - 6/20/2001 2:48:13 PM Cal: I've copied some profiles to the Mote Bestiary because I was under the impression they were by a third person. If they are yours, please verify that and let me know if you wish them removed. 2126. Indiana Jones - 6/20/2001 3:24:12 PM Never mind. They're gone. 2127. CalGal - 6/20/2001 3:29:34 PM They were mine, but it's fine for you to use them. It's funny how some of them are still accurate, whereas others are completely different--based no doubt on my inaccurate perceptions, not their changing. 2128. Indiana Jones - 6/20/2001 3:46:17 PM Pretty stupid of me to be taken in because as ducky pointed out they referred to everyone by their Fray names. More importantly, the person who provided them to me had already been causing trouble over there. 2129. CalGal - 6/20/2001 3:47:44 PM As I said, it's no big deal. I saw the posts, but didn't mention it one way or another because it seemed that whoever used it wanted a reaction. 2130. Indiana Jones - 6/22/2001 11:06:33 AM If one were to put together a Mote "highlights reel," what should it contain? 2131. rubberducky - 6/22/2001 12:22:30 PM maybe Ace's warm welcome to blueboy in Suggestions? 2132. glendajean - 6/22/2001 12:25:14 PM Was our presidential election in the fray or the mote? 2133. rubberducky - 6/22/2001 12:26:28 PM fray 2134. rubberducky - 6/22/2001 12:37:24 PM found it 2135. Indiana Jones - 6/22/2001 12:43:25 PM Okay. I took the embed out, but left a link to it. The music is "Magic Moments." 2136. khaval alazman - 6/22/2001 12:45:01 PM Can you repost the profiles, IJ? They sound fascinating. 2137. Indiana Jones - 6/22/2001 12:48:47 PM khaval: If you're talking about the ones Cal did, I'll leave it to her to repost them. 2138. khaval alazman - 6/22/2001 1:04:05 PM OK. 2139. Indiana Jones - 6/25/2001 6:44:55 PM Notice: My apologies to anyone who has sent me an email in the last three weeks which I failed to respond to. I don't know what has been up with my "forward" file for indianajones@resourceful.com, because it appeared to have been working (I've received several emails from PP and a couple from wabbit, so it wasn't *consistently* broken). But when I logged into the account where it used to go (which is supposed to be inactive now), there were 37 messages piled up. 2140. AytchMan - 6/28/2001 5:18:34 PM A story just starting to percolate: 2141. Indiana Jones - 6/28/2001 9:08:33 PM glendajean and Stumbo: Please see message #73 on this thread. 2142. Indiana Jones - 6/29/2001 5:38:29 PM khaval alazman and jonesatlaw have been added to the Mote cast. 2143. glendajean - 6/29/2001 5:41:05 PM IJ, I haven't gotten any emails from this person. Tell them to email gatekeeper@themote.com and I will help them. 2144. Indiana Jones - 6/29/2001 5:44:49 PM gj: Okey-dokey. 2145. JudithAtHome - 6/29/2001 5:56:05 PM IJ: 2146. Indiana Jones - 6/29/2001 6:10:43 PM Judith: Both photos are per request. I *think* JonesatLaw asked for a young Rob Reiner, but that's the first halfway decent photo of him I came across (and only because he was in the news re Carrol O'Connor's death). 2147. JudithAtHome - 6/29/2001 6:11:40 PM I need to have a talk with Jonesatlaw...he's NOT Rob Reiner, young or otherwise. 2148. seadate - 7/2/2001 6:27:15 PM Ms No, please check your email. 2149. arkymalarky - 7/3/2001 9:36:17 AM GJ Message # 2143, 2150. RosettaStone - 7/3/2001 9:38:28 AM The process of registering new members so they can post is a scandal. 2151. arkymalarky - 7/3/2001 9:41:48 AM Multiples aren't people. They're one person. 2152. RosettaStone - 7/3/2001 9:56:31 AM In the kitchen, dimples. Off the phone with Judith? 2153. JudithAtHome - 7/3/2001 10:00:05 AM What? We're not allowed to talk with whom we choose when you're around? 2154. RosettaStone - 7/3/2001 10:04:36 AM I just think it's funny to read that when the mote crashes, you call up Arky on the phone to keep up the the gossip. 2155. RosettaStone - 7/3/2001 10:05:05 AM the=with 2156. JudithAtHome - 7/3/2001 10:06:51 AM You'd really think it was funny if you knew we were talking when it happened...see, I just can't type the gossip fast enough so I have to call. 2157. Indiana Jones - 7/3/2001 10:15:35 AM From post #1: 2158. MaxMacks - 7/6/2001 1:57:06 PM Two qeries: 2159. JJBiener - 7/6/2001 2:01:41 PM Max - There are a couple of ways to send email. If a person is a thread host, click on their name on the host line. If they aren't a thread host, check the list of motie email addresses link in the Cafe. If you can't find it there, you can ask them when you see them posting or ask a moderator to make contact for you. 2160. Ms. No - 7/6/2001 2:02:02 PM Max, 2161. Ms. No - 7/6/2001 2:03:03 PM xp ;-) 2162. labwabbit - 7/10/2001 7:00:06 PM Hello 2163. ycmeehan - 7/10/2001 7:05:58 PM That's too bad, lab, msgreer leaving us. We'll miss her very much. 2164. ycmeehan - 7/10/2001 7:06:54 PM What about mgleason? What ever happened to her? Is she on vacation? 2165. labwabbit - 7/10/2001 7:10:12 PM yc 2166. ycmeehan - 7/10/2001 7:16:36 PM A couple of days, I guess. Msgreer, mgleason, Fielding, I am upset. What next? 2167. ycmeehan - 7/10/2001 7:18:17 PM Not so curiouser, lab. 2168. Indiana Jones - 7/10/2001 7:20:48 PM What happened with mgleason? 2169. labwabbit - 7/10/2001 7:25:10 PM Well, step forth from the shadows young man and do say. 2170. ycmeehan - 7/10/2001 7:29:34 PM mgleason has no been around for a while, Indiana I hope she is on vacation, that's all. I havent read anything that could have caused her prolonged absence so far. Not the case with the other two, however. 2171. Indiana Jones - 7/10/2001 7:40:18 PM Fielding sent MsNo an email saying he wished to be relieved as host of the Quiz thread. Other than that, I don't have access to the contents of this personal correspondence. 2172. arkymalarky - 7/10/2001 7:44:16 PM I'm wondering where Wonk's been. I miss him. 2173. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/11/2001 2:08:35 AM I've been in touch with mgleason. She got fed up with some of the nastiness and incivility around here, and found a friendlier place to hang out. I can sympathize with her, as that was one of my own reasons for taking a 7-month break. 2174. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 10:02:32 AM That's a shame. 2175. Francis Urquhart - 7/11/2001 10:31:52 AM I implore all those who communicate with refugees to let them know that the rancor has subsided, and the Age of Urquhart is at hand. 2176. rubberducky - 7/11/2001 10:34:46 AM sounds boring to me 2177. Francis Urquhart - 7/11/2001 10:36:31 AM ducky 2178. Francis Urquhart - 7/11/2001 10:38:14 AM But in the meantime, the declarations of the Age of Urquhart are voluntary. Those who would continue in contravention of the Declarations may continue in said manner. But those who sign on to the Declarations will raise The Mote to a New Age of Wit, Intelligence and Vitality. 2179. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 10:57:50 AM Like the great poets Homer, Agamemnon or even Zeus 2180. CalGal - 7/11/2001 11:50:00 AM While I miss mgleason, I believe that she went to TT, which is certainly not a "friendlier" place to hang out. 2181. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 1:00:37 PM I agree with Irv's Message # 2173, and I think there are a number of people who aren't here at the moment who fit his and Mgleason's description. 2182. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 1:03:14 PM And I might add this place can ill afford to lose good posters. It won't dry up and blow away (I hope), but it becomes boring to Moties and less interesting for new people who check it out. 2183. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 1:36:29 PM In accordance with 2182 above, I propose to send msgreer an email inviting her to reconsider her (apparent) decision of leaving the Mote and abandoning her post in the Health Thread. 2184. ycmeehan - 7/11/2001 1:38:58 PM Indiana, 2185. rubberducky - 7/11/2001 1:39:42 PM why 'propose' sending an e-mail? 2186. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 1:43:57 PM ducky: Well, I think it would be more meaningful if several people did it or if the single email had several names affixed. However, I don't wish to attach people's names w/out checking with them first. I wouldn't want anyone doing that to me. 2187. mgleason - 7/11/2001 1:45:25 PM I thought that was #3 in the Age of RD. ;-) 2188. rubberducky - 7/11/2001 1:53:03 PM heh, well, everything is still in draft mode, but i do hope you sign up! 2189. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 1:56:58 PM None of these could compare to the Age of Arky. Unfortunately, it's by personal invitation only. I sent them out yesterday. If you didn't get one, you're SOL. However, you can send a polite request, a brief letter explaining why you think you're fit to belong to the AofA, and a charitable donation, and I may reconsider. 2190. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 2:01:40 PM Indy: 2191. PelleNilsson - 7/11/2001 2:13:30 PM I'm really reluctant to see this issue raised again, but it has been done. I would love to have msgreer back in the Mote but I'm not sure about her return to hosting. This has nothing to do with the bickering with CalGal. It is because she disinvited ranheim from posting in the thread because of his views on US health care policy. As a European liberal I of course completely disagree with ranheim but I think he has the right to express his opinion. 2192. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 2:17:39 PM Less than an hour after that post, she also apologized to him, Pelle....about 4 posts later, in fact. 2193. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 2:19:41 PM I didn't see her disinvite Ranheim from posting, but maybe I missed something. I saw her disinvite him from being a doctor ;-), but either way, I don't think Ran has ever felt unwelcome to post. A host has as much right to get heated about a subject as a poster, and no one was censored. Of course I couldn't know how Ran felt about it, since he never had a thing to say about the entire affair. 2194. bubbaette - 7/11/2001 2:20:40 PM Dang 2195. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 2:23:40 PM Hey, Bubba, just see the last sentence of my post and we'll fix you right up. 2196. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 2:25:44 PM Actually, Ran came back about a hundred posts later and didn't seem upset at all... 2197. bubbaette - 7/11/2001 2:25:49 PM Harumph. Sounds kinda exclusive for the likes of me. Y'all take greenstamps? 2198. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 2:27:08 PM Pelle, 2199. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 2:28:30 PM Pelle: Do you have a post to support your contention? 2200. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 2:28:36 PM Hmmm. You can get some pretty cool stuff with Greenstamps, but we don't have an outlet nearby. How many you got, and can you send a catalogue with them? 2201. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 2:29:58 PM (Above is not to compare Cal to Rosetta, but to try to demonstrate how msgreer may feel, considering her and Cal's antipathy.) 2202. bubbaette - 7/11/2001 2:35:04 PM I haven't seen a greenstamp outlet since I spent the summers at my grandmother's house in Indiana back in the 1970's Needless to say, they're not pasted in books but you are welcome to them. 2203. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 2:35:46 PM It's actually similar, in the amount of disruption to the forum that has resulted from basically one person's posts. I'd hate to think that was what we wanted things to be like around here 24/7 until all those on the Disapproval List have gone. 2204. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 2:37:54 PM Well, do you at least have the books to paste them in? If so, you've got a deal! Welcome to the club! (badge, seal, and contract will be sent shortly) 2205. CalGal - 7/11/2001 2:42:32 PM MsGreer was not suspended, was she? Was her removal as thread host not due to her own request? 2206. PelleNilsson - 7/11/2001 2:45:17 PM Indy 2207. Francis Urquhart - 7/11/2001 2:51:43 PM The Age of Urquhart. 2208. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 3:05:39 PM Pelle: Substitute Churchill for "Indy," and I believe that was the Swedish response when called upon to help stop Axis aggression as well. Keep doing your ancestors proud. 2209. CalGal - 7/11/2001 3:06:36 PM Incidentally, I had no wish to remove MsG as thread host, nor did I ever ask for it. I also expressed no desire for her to leave the forum. All of this despite Arky's blithe accusations. 2210. Wombat - 7/11/2001 3:11:45 PM Ranheim is every bit as capable of defending his beliefs without rancor under heated criticism as he is in laying them out in the first place. I know this from personal experience (a number of times). 2211. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 3:12:21 PM No one said you did, that I recall, certainly not I. My post was an assertion wrt motive based on my perception of your actions. If I'm wrong, oh well. 2212. Wombat - 7/11/2001 3:13:42 PM MsGreer did not disinvite Ranheim from posting on the health thread. 2213. CalGal - 7/11/2001 3:18:30 PM Indy, 2214. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 3:28:43 PM Cal: The Age of Urquhart was, I thought, meant to be reconciliatory. That was all. 2215. mgleason - 7/11/2001 3:31:22 PM You cannot be both a member of the Revolutionary Council and an apologist for the A of U, Indy. Well, perhaps in a different Age you can. I dunno. 2216. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 3:33:29 PM I keep both flags in my closet, Maria, and wave whichever is parading on that day. 2217. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 3:33:57 PM I wanna be on both lists...Gleeson returneth... 2218. mgleason - 7/11/2001 3:36:02 PM You are a couple of Fifth Columnists. For shame! 2219. seadate - 7/11/2001 3:36:54 PM Indy, ya scared me there for a second. I thought you said fags in your closet. 2220. mgleason - 7/11/2001 3:38:43 PM That too, Seadate. Indy is an Old Etonian. 2221. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 3:39:31 PM seadate: You're thinking of Francis's closet. 2222. seadate - 7/11/2001 3:42:15 PM mgleason, IJ 2223. bubbaette - 7/11/2001 3:49:33 PM Dammit, Francis cannot have a closet. The shed's too small as it is. He can keep his clothes in the toolbox if he needs additional storage room. Either that or hang them from nails on the rafters. 2224. JJBiener - 7/11/2001 4:11:59 PM For the record: MsGreer asked to be removed as host of the Health thread. I have a copy of the email to Ms No if anyone needs proof. She asked to be removed because she will not have time to participate. She has just started a major contract which will take her up to the time she enters law school. 2225. JJBiener - 7/11/2001 4:18:46 PM Cal's assertion that either MsGreer or myself were "humiliated" is as erroneous and misguided as the vast majority of her posts. I assume that anyone reading her posts will take into account the source and not take them seriously. 2226. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 4:21:44 PM And here I was thinkin you were humiliated. 2227. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:22:12 PM Actually, Indy was the one who declared it a humiliation. I used it in quotes the first time, when referencing it with MsG, and should have also used it when I was referring to your "humiliation". I was the only person who did so. Everyone else seemed to agree without question that it was a humiliation. So consider that source. 2228. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:23:49 PM And the issue was that Indy's concern was selective. He had as much reason to think that you had left due to "humiliation" as he did MsG, but he only expressed concern for one. 2229. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 4:25:22 PM No. Silence is not consent. 2230. AceofSpades - 7/11/2001 4:28:16 PM 2231. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 4:29:46 PM Well, Ace, people admitting they were wrong doesn't seem to get much play around here. 2232. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:30:34 PM It certainly means you didn't see fit to protest the use of the word. 2233. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 4:32:35 PM Yes, Cal, you were....most people probably didn't even read it but I agreed with Indy and you didn't. 2234. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 4:34:52 PM It is correct that I used the word humiliation first (though the first time I used it was in a general statement, rather than attached to any person). I wished to convey the sense of being publicly embarrassed because ducky wondered why anyone had to "be nice" to msgreer in public, rather than in private. Personally, I'm given to private praise myself, but in equal doses, I think public criticism stings more than private praise assuages the ego. 2235. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:36:13 PM Most people didn't read it? In this conversation? You can't be serious. It is what kicked off the discussion; everyone in it has posted in response to it. 2236. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 4:36:42 PM Of course, it would do no good to say I was agreeing with Indy in principle and didn't specifically mean that JJ or Msgreer was humiliated...after all, the part I quoted said: 2237. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:39:00 PM Of course, it would do no good to say I was agreeing with Indy in principle and didn't specifically mean that JJ or Msgreer was humiliated 2238. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 4:39:23 PM Cal, please...I meant most people in the entire forum didn't read it. Surely you didn't think I meant the people discussing didn't read it? 2239. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 4:40:38 PM Cal, I realize this all about you so you can drop the "not tracking" bit. 2240. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:45:37 PM I meant most people in the entire forum didn't read it. Surely you didn't think I meant the people discussing didn't read it? 2241. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:46:45 PM I realize this all about you 2242. CalGal - 7/11/2001 4:47:50 PM In any event, we can all graciously allow MsG the myth that she quit hosting because of law school and hopefully Indy will refrain from spawning some sort of group hug. 2243. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 4:49:07 PM I track much more than you think, my dear. 2244. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 4:50:18 PM As far as what would have caused any public embarrassment, I don't think losing an argument would do it by itself. That's the reason I differentiated between JJ and msgreer--not for any other. JJ was raked over by Ace and FU, but speaking for myself, I wouldn't take that the same way, because none of us have long-running feuds. I assumed JJ didn't either. 2245. JudithAtHome - 7/11/2001 4:50:46 PM Why should Indy give up on a group hug? 2246. CalGal - 7/11/2001 5:00:00 PM it's more that Christin backed Cal in a conflict that had its roots in personality. 2247. PsychProf - 7/11/2001 5:02:58 PM It is interesting someone would be "humiliated" by what goes on around here, and equally of interest that someone might take pleasure in the humiliation of others...what's the point? Control?hahaha...Power?hahaha...over what? 2248. mgleason - 7/11/2001 5:06:57 PM I don't think it unreasonable that hosts enter the fray, but they ought to do so without using their powers of double-secret probation and expulsion, even as a threat. 2249. JJBiener - 7/11/2001 5:13:00 PM That's not a conflict rooted in personality. That's abuse of host authority, plain and simple. 2250. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 5:15:03 PM That's not a conflict rooted in personality. 2251. CalGal - 7/11/2001 5:15:24 PM PP, 2252. Ms. No - 7/11/2001 5:15:43 PM This discussion belongs in either Suggestions or Policy. 2253. CalGal - 7/11/2001 5:16:56 PM 2254. arkymalarky - 7/11/2001 5:26:50 PM I don't remember any of the moderators making an issue of the original post to Ran that Cal quoted in Suggestions until Pelle did above, having been under the impression that Ran had been encouraged not to post. 2255. Wombat - 7/11/2001 7:27:57 PM Pelle stuck his oar in when there was no need to. Although, I like and respect Pelle immensely, he occasionally does that. 2256. AytchMan - 7/11/2001 11:25:11 PM Having been away overthrowing foreign governments, I return to an avalancherie, a veritable plethora of commentary in the beloved (and benignly neglected) N&Q. 2257. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2001 11:32:12 PM Aytch: Sorry that I was the primary contributor to that. I should never have responded to any discussion here of my original announcement. 2258. AytchMan - 7/12/2001 12:16:20 AM No worries. N&Q is pretty relaxed (bordering on comatose). It just got a little too relaxed there for a bit. Who knows, a Publisher's Clearinghouse Notification might have been lost in the shuffle. 2259. don s. - 7/12/2001 12:22:59 PM Message # 2180 CalGal: While I miss mgleason, I believe that she went to TT, which is certainly not a "friendlier" place to hang out. 2260. CalGal - 7/12/2001 4:28:15 PM Back on an actual topic: 2261. Ms. No - 7/12/2001 4:50:57 PM How much should it cost to have the front brake pads of a 2000 Mitsubishi Gallant 4 cylinder replaced? (Yes, I'm expecting that they'll flip the rotors as well) 2262. CalGal - 7/12/2001 4:57:16 PM Couple hundred or so? Maybe less. 2263. PsychProf - 7/12/2001 4:59:40 PM Ms No...$100-200 Do-it yourself-add mechanics hourly cost if someone else does it 2264. Ms. No - 7/12/2001 5:55:31 PM Thanks PP! That's exactly what I need! 2265. MaxMacks - 7/16/2001 3:04:34 PM Aytch . don't want to overload you but I don't really know ( care?) who insulted whom and if so. 2266. aytchman - 7/16/2001 4:14:16 PM max-- 2267. aytchman - 7/16/2001 4:15:49 PM What do you want to know about cut and paste? 2268. MaxMacks - 7/16/2001 4:30:05 PM Well to put it simply with my ignorance hanging out for all ( hopefully not ALL ) to see. 2269. aytchman - 7/16/2001 4:37:38 PM A simpler way is to highlight the text you want to copy, hit control-c (this copies it to the clipboard), move your cursor to the message edit box and hit control-v (this pastes it). 2270. MaxMacks - 7/16/2001 7:12:14 PM A simpler way 2271. MaxMacks - 7/16/2001 7:13:07 PM good lord aytch you are a magician 2272. MaxMacks - 7/16/2001 7:15:05 PM now if I can get my printer to go to message 2269 2273. MaxMacks - 7/17/2001 1:52:59 PM Can anyone tell me why the Mote home page 2274. Indiana Jones - 7/17/2001 3:59:32 PM It has come to my attention that one or two people are unhappy with me for something other than my post here. If that be the case, you know my email address and should contact me directly. 2275. Indiana Jones - 7/17/2001 4:01:01 PM Max: I think the Mote dates from approximately August 1999. 2276. MaxMacks - 7/17/2001 4:36:39 PM Indy ...dont worry ,be happy . said Mehr Baba 2277. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/17/2001 10:31:51 PM Indy: 2278. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/17/2001 10:32:18 PM 3) Your action undermines the authority of the Moderators, by purporting in some way to represent a portion of the Mote community (albeit without the consent of at least some of those listed). I am a supporter of the Moderators (having been through it myself when running the Fray for Slate). 2279. mgleason - 7/17/2001 11:06:55 PM Indy, 2280. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:11:37 PM Your name isn't Irving Snodgrass? 2281. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:13:54 PM Indy 2282. arkymalarky - 7/17/2001 11:23:07 PM In the interest of openness, I didn't ask my name be put on the list either, though I didn't object to it being there and didn't say anything about it, since I saw it as a note encouraging Msgreer to stay active in the Mote and assumed that Indy had placed names of people who had posted on the issue or those who had emailed and asked him to be on the list. I don't recall seeing Irv post anything, though, so I don't know how Indy came up with the list. 2283. arkymalarky - 7/17/2001 11:24:38 PM Francis, 2284. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:27:15 PM Well, I haven't seen the letter, but Indiana Jones knows one thing about Francis Urquhart. He's a company man, bought and paid for. 2285. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:30:34 PM Forthwith. 2286. mgleason - 7/17/2001 11:32:23 PM Arky, 2287. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:34:25 PM Take no care 2288. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:36:06 PM Maria 2289. arkymalarky - 7/17/2001 11:36:15 PM MG, 2290. arkymalarky - 7/17/2001 11:37:15 PM Francis, 2291. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:39:42 PM arky 2292. mgleason - 7/17/2001 11:41:21 PM It gets worse. In the interests of full disclosure, I must report that Arky also said 'hummer' the other day. I'm beginning to see a pattern, and it ain't argyle. 2293. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:42:57 PM Ooooooooooooooooooooooh man. 2294. arkymalarky - 7/17/2001 11:43:50 PM Hey now! 2295. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/17/2001 11:45:10 PM Who needs an entire wood? 2296. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:47:47 PM Irving 2297. arkymalarky - 7/17/2001 11:50:15 PM Dadgum I'm glad Francis posted '96 so I wouldn't have to embarrass myself by asking Irv what the Sam Hill '95 meant. 2298. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/17/2001 11:52:34 PM Urq: 2299. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/17/2001 11:53:34 PM Arky: 2300. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:55:26 PM It's a date. When the blood has dried and the wounds of this tawdry summer coup have healed, we shall celebrate over 18 holes the fact that you - Irving Snodgrass - and I - Francois Urquhart - looked into the abyss, reached down our arms, and pulled The Mote's leadership from certain doom. 2301. mgleason - 7/17/2001 11:55:49 PM Au contraire, FU. I am squeaky clean, having recently emerged from an invigorating dip in the pool and shower. I am now quite soignée. 2302. Francis Urquhart - 7/17/2001 11:58:44 PM Maria 2303. arkymalarky - 7/18/2001 12:01:50 AM Well, I've been working with plants, so I guess I'm the only dirty girl in the room at the moment. 2304. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/18/2001 12:02:30 AM Urq: 2305. arkymalarky - 7/18/2001 12:04:03 AM I'm happy my parents have a pool and I don't have to maintain it but I can swim in it. 2306. mgleason - 7/18/2001 12:06:56 AM Pools are great; I practically live in mine during the hot weather. I'm very happy for you, FU! 2307. Francis Urquhart - 7/18/2001 12:07:53 AM Irv 2308. arkymalarky - 7/18/2001 12:11:50 AM Hahaha. You got a big mouth on you, Francis. 2309. mgleason - 7/18/2001 12:16:45 AM FU, 2310. mgleason - 7/18/2001 12:25:49 AM This is an honest-to-goodness query: Does anyone know of any good shareware backgammon games? The one I've got, Backgammon Deluxe, is permanently set at the novice level unless one ponies up $$$, and I haven't lost yet! 2311. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/18/2001 12:29:16 AM Urq: 2312. mgleason - 7/18/2001 12:39:58 AM See, I'm playing right now, and have two men in, all points blocked except the first, and it has four men on that first point, and two waiting to come back in the game. It's an idiot! 2313. CalGal - 7/18/2001 12:42:11 AM Gosh. Out of context, that looks like a post for Francis' thread. 2314. mgleason - 7/18/2001 12:46:06 AM Hahahaha! Well, it deserves what it's getting, at any rate. 2315. Indiana Jones - 7/18/2001 8:47:07 AM Irv: I disagree with your characterization that this is something to be handled through "Mote channels." At least one Mote moderator has made it clear that her correspondence concerning the Mote and its operation is not for public consumption, hence I now find it strange that the same standard of separation does not apply to Mote "plebes." 2316. rubberducky - 7/18/2001 9:00:28 AM i suppose i just see no reason to send an e-mail containing what is already here for all to read. 2317. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/18/2001 9:07:54 AM Indy: 2318. mgleason - 7/18/2001 9:14:21 AM Indiana, 2319. mgleason - 7/18/2001 9:16:31 AM Sorry, Irv. Even though it may not seem like it, my previous message was a cross-post with yours. I was disconnected for some minutes after writing it. 2320. Indiana Jones - 7/18/2001 9:36:22 AM Irv: I don't intend to discuss this further here, there, or anywhere--other than through private email. If there is something else you want me to do, you can post it wherever you like or send me your request. 2321. mgleason - 7/18/2001 9:38:54 AM I will respond in Suggestions. 2322. mgleason - 7/18/2001 9:40:21 AM Or rather, Policy. 2323. Indiana Jones - 7/18/2001 1:35:05 PM 2324. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/18/2001 10:08:34 PM I note that the "Great GIF Debate" thread has been evaporated and I'd appreciate knowing why and why no announcement was made -- or did I miss it? 2325. ElliottRW - 7/18/2001 10:12:06 PM ducky made an announcement in the thread, saying that activity was suspended until something actually gets done. 2326. MsIvoryTower - 7/18/2001 10:13:08 PM Hell's Bells 2327. arkymalarky - 7/18/2001 10:15:39 PM Air of Unguence. 2328. MsIvoryTower - 7/18/2001 10:16:50 PM How refreshing... 2329. arkymalarky - 7/18/2001 10:16:59 PM Look in Suggestions, WoW. 2330. ElliottRW - 7/18/2001 10:17:03 PM The Age of Urquhart. Some crazy pledge that Francis made up that basically amounts to not being (quite) as mean. 2331. MsIvoryTower - 7/18/2001 10:17:47 PM Everything becomes an argument here. It's part of the morbid attraction. 2332. vw - 7/18/2001 10:30:00 PM Well, the arguing would be interesting if it was ever about anything of import. 2333. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/18/2001 10:39:24 PM ERW & arky- Ahhhh -- many thanks! 2334. MsIvoryTower - 7/19/2001 8:35:54 AM vw 2335. ElliottRW - 7/19/2001 8:59:40 AM MsIT -- I have the AoU post here, MsIT. As you will see, I was on the level earlier. 2336. MaxMacks - 7/20/2001 12:52:22 PM was this place down last night? 2337. JudithAtHome - 7/20/2001 1:10:02 PM Yes, Max, it was. And now it seems TableTalk is down today. Something going around, I guess. 2338. AytchMan - 7/28/2001 2:00:36 PM Having been away for another sojourn into skulduggery, I again return to three appropriate posts awash in a tsunami of unrelated seafoam. 2339. ScottLoar - 7/29/2001 11:17:17 AM To Marjoribanks Seeking Enlightenment and Guidance as to Where to Begin His Readings on the North American Indian (Especially, but not Limited to, Contacts between Whites and Amerindians): 2340. phillipdavid - 7/29/2001 12:15:56 PM ScottLoar, 2341. ScottLoar - 7/29/2001 1:48:52 PM There had always been a waxing and waning dichotomy viewing Amerindians as noble or ignoble, but to dismisss the real antagonism between Amerindians and Europeans as simply the desire for more land is too facile. Successive British then American administrations tried again and again to cordon tribal lands from white settlement but to no effect, but the primary antagonism between these peoples was not racial, nor land, but a collision of two very different cultures. The savagery of Amerindian warfare shocked the continental soldiery and officer cadre and brutalized the colonists on the frontier to acts of equal savagery, and inurred either side to what the current generation would term a "peaceful coexistence"; the inability of government to either protect its citizens on the frontier from Amerindian attack or preserve Amerindian lands from encroachment and attendant massacres resulted in the policy of removal either by ruse or force; and after the French and Indian War Amerindians were no longer necessary allies to either side in any conflict. American (using the word to loosely fit those Europeans who settled in what now comprises the lower 48) development of the retreating frontier over the course of two hundred and more years was effected without the Amerindian as an ally, occasionally as an antagonist, but most often as an inconsequential and temporary barrier to expansion. 2342. ScottLoar - 7/29/2001 1:53:04 PM Well, let me qualify that, not inconsequential, because over the course of two hundred and more years on the frontier massacre was a very real probability. 2343. Francis Urquhart - 7/29/2001 2:15:40 PM Evan Connell's "Son of The Morning Star" is a critical addition to Loar's point, and a good review of tensions between settlers and Indians during the time of Custer. It is refreshingly free of the demonization of the white-eye and the canonization of the noble Native American that mars so much history on the topic. 2344. sakonige - 7/29/2001 4:45:10 PM 2352. AytchMan - 7/29/2001 11:57:07 PM Posts 2345-2351 now reside in the Inferno. 2353. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/30/2001 12:01:48 AM AytchMan: 2354. AytchMan - 7/30/2001 12:13:32 AM Hi Irv-- 2355. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/30/2001 12:17:27 AM Irv- Sorry to interrupt here, but while you're around, I thought I might take the opportunity to ask if you know or knew of an American artist on Bali called Baxter? 2356. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/30/2001 12:40:03 AM Aytch: 2357. AytchMan - 7/30/2001 12:49:45 AM Irv-- 2358. ScottLoar - 7/30/2001 8:24:46 AM Again, if Marjoribanks wants recommendations on reading about Amerindian contact with whites he should now go to The Inferno and dig it up. 2359. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/30/2001 9:00:31 AM Irv- Baxter is affiliated with my gallery in Provincetown. I met him recently there. He summers here and he is presently having a kind of memorial exhibition that deals with the loss (to AIDS) of many friends from Ptown over the years. 2360. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/30/2001 9:15:03 AM Irv- The following is a blurb from Baxter's press release: 2361. marjoribanks - 7/30/2001 11:45:22 AM Ooh. Great posts and recommendations Loar, and then PD and Urquhart. Those books (the first two especially) sound like precisely what I am looking for. 2362. Francis Urquhart - 8/2/2001 5:13:56 PM Ace 2363. PelleNilsson - 8/4/2001 2:04:48 PM Starting tomorrow I'll be on vacation for 3-4 weeks. I won't be around much, if at all, because with days getting shorter I need to save on solar power. Besides,it's not a lot of fun surfing at 9.6 Kb at the edge of cellphone coverage. I will read e-mail, though. 2364. MaxMacks - 8/5/2001 3:00:59 PM Like a message in a bottle thrown in the sea , 2365. MaxMacks - 8/5/2001 3:37:01 PM Francis U. . re your book Son of Morning Star, 2366. khaval alazman - 8/5/2001 3:58:12 PM Max, in answer to you question, and to the other Motieres: 2367. khaval alazman - 8/5/2001 4:01:57 PM Shit shit shit. 2368. MaxMacks - 8/5/2001 5:34:45 PM thanks k.a. will do a visit very soon 2369. MaxMacks - 8/5/2001 8:00:55 PM Hey ----khaval alazman. 2370. khaval alazman - 8/5/2001 8:07:18 PM Er... que? 2371. Francis Urquhart - 8/6/2001 10:21:34 AM Max 2372. MaxMacks - 8/6/2001 1:30:33 PM Alas, alazman you then are not my neighbor living in Alameda California? 2373. PelleNilsson - 8/9/2001 6:20:36 AM I have the laptop, I have the cellphone, I have the cable to hook them up, but I forgot the PC-card modem. 2374. Uzmakk - 8/9/2001 2:47:12 PM I read Son of the Morning Star a number of years ago. I liked the way it was written: sort of hypertexty if I recall. Didn't the author do things like start with, say, a peace pipe(the real thing) and expand from that, segway by segway, until you would end up back east in a classroom at Harvard. And while going on one of these little journeys one got a feeling of completeness and totality. I did anyway. I told myself I was going to read more by this author...but never did. Mr. and Mrs. Bridge was one of his famous novels? 2375. Absensia - 8/10/2001 4:58:28 PM SnowOwl's birthday is August 12th which means August 11th, for those of us in the northern hemisphere! 2376. ScottLoar - 8/10/2001 8:48:00 PM Absensia, you are grossly incorrect. Think about it a bit, then look at the hemispheres (all four of them). 2377. Absensia - 8/10/2001 8:55:34 PM Hmmm, I've been "grossly" lots of things...She's about 19 hours ahead of me, time wise...You are correct, I should have not mentioned hemispheres. 2378. ScottLoar - 8/15/2001 2:59:48 PM Doubtlessly asked by others before I ask again, what is the most effective remedy for sea sickness? And yes, I must go on board. 2379. Indiana Jones - 8/15/2001 3:02:47 PM sea sickness remedies 2380. CalGal - 8/15/2001 3:08:37 PM I know people who swear by the bands. (or knew them, back in my sailing days). 2381. JudithAtHome - 8/15/2001 3:08:59 PM I can vouch for ginger! 2382. MaxMacks - 8/15/2001 6:33:03 PM Tis a slow moving blue bar afternoon. 2383. ScottLoar - 8/15/2001 7:23:16 PM I'll try all, and graphically recount the consequences if all fail. 2384. robertjayb - 8/15/2001 7:58:22 PM Where does Nelson Mandela get his shirts? 2385. Uzmakk - 8/16/2001 1:40:01 PM The Uzmakk-Mote-Beardsley world tour continues. Ask one of the sales people, at Bauman Rare Books, 535 Madison Ave, NY NY. to show it to you. 2386. Ms. No - 8/16/2001 2:57:53 PM Anybody have a good web resource for renderings of Flowers and Climbing vines? 2387. MaxMacks - 8/16/2001 3:00:06 PM You mean , boiling them to make soap and/or 2388. MaxMacks - 8/16/2001 3:02:35 PM Wonder what the Mote did in the past week so 2389. Ms. No - 8/16/2001 3:17:08 PM Hiya Max, 2390. JudithAtHome - 8/16/2001 3:21:01 PM The Uzmakk-Mote-Beardsley world tour continues. Ask one of the sales people, at Bauman Rare Books, 535 Madison Ave, NY NY. to show it to you. 2391. Indiana Jones - 8/16/2001 3:23:22 PM Christin: Don't know if you saw this when I posted it before or if it will help, but google now has a (beta) site that just searches images: 2392. Ms. No - 8/16/2001 3:33:49 PM Thanks, Indy. I'll check it out. 2393. Uzmakk - 8/16/2001 3:45:13 PM Judith: 2394. JudithAtHome - 8/16/2001 4:08:11 PM Phew! I was hoping you'd say no. Because I'd have to sell something to buy it! 2395. theDiva - 8/16/2001 4:25:40 PM Glenda and Ms. No 2396. Ms. No - 8/16/2001 4:32:28 PM No problem-o, Deev. 2397. robertjayb - 8/18/2001 1:08:37 AM A new search engine: 2398. uzmakk - 8/19/2001 12:18:39 PM Is there a Motie who can tell me how to perform "imposition" on Pagemaker? 2399. mgleason - 8/19/2001 12:40:02 PM Ms No, these stencils aren't too eleborate, but you may be able to do something with them. These aren't the only illustrations, BTW; there are links to others at the top of the page. 2400. arkymalarky - 8/19/2001 1:25:37 PM What is "imposition"? I use PM for yearbook, but I've never heard of that. 2401. uzmakk - 8/19/2001 5:40:02 PM Imposition is laying several pages out on a single sheet of paper so that when that sheet of paper is folded the information runs consecutively. Pg.1,2,3,4 etc. 2402. JudithAtHome - 8/19/2001 5:58:36 PM I used to work in a printing company and knew how to do that...it was called something else, though. I was a lithographers stripper... 2403. wabbit - 8/19/2001 6:53:18 PM Uz, 2404. JudithAtHome - 8/19/2001 7:21:26 PM Jeeez, I should've know this was about a computer function, not an actual printing company technique. Disregard my previous post... 2405. Absensia - 8/19/2001 8:35:34 PM Judith, I'm still trying to visualize you as a lithographer's stripper, feathers and all. ;-) 2406. AytchMan - 8/19/2001 11:03:38 PM I just blundered across this quote on another site. It's attributed to Albert Einstein: 2407. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 10:27:43 AM Abs: 2408. Absensia - 8/20/2001 10:30:19 AM Judith, I think he was telling me...sigh. 2409. JudithAtHome - 8/20/2001 10:32:11 AM Answer in Cafe... 2410. theDiva - 8/20/2001 11:14:48 AM Upon much deliberation, I have decided that 'Skeetie' is no longer an appropriate alias for my youngest daughter. 2411. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 8/20/2001 5:05:34 PM Speaking of changes, when will the look of The Mote change? 2412. Cellar Door - 8/20/2001 7:48:39 PM Francis, is that you over in the Fray in the Breakfast Table threads about Sully? 2413. CalGal - 8/20/2001 8:09:33 PM I don't think so. Didn't you try clicking the email address? 2414. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 8/20/2001 8:50:28 PM Thanks Cal--I knew I could count on you not to respond! 2415. HollyW - 8/21/2001 1:07:31 AM It bugs me that I'm here infrequently, when I am post and then leave without warning, never to respond for days on end, and by then, the conversation is elsewhere. I feel like it must be damned annoying. 2416. CalGal - 8/21/2001 1:16:29 AM Wiz--I wasn't "not responding". The answer is "I don't know". 2417. HollyW - 8/21/2001 1:29:02 AM Since he's not the kind of guy who walks around trying to impress me with how gassy he can be, "Brussels" will not work. 2418. uzmakk - 8/22/2001 9:28:53 PM Thank you, wabbit. That looks like the ticket. 2419. MaxMacks - 8/23/2001 3:30:18 PM Somewhere , someone, in this heah Mote , had a link to The Rant:: Rantforum. 2420. Absensia - 8/23/2001 6:01:18 PM Max, 2421. AytchMan - 8/29/2001 2:19:14 AM For anyone beginning to commence to prepare to start thinking about buying Windows XP, be aware that the Softies are adding some potentially severe restrictions to your use of it: 2422. CalGal - 8/29/2001 2:28:47 AM Heh. I think I'll pass. 2423. AytchMan - 8/29/2001 2:43:29 AM Apparently, it's all part of the strategy to push people toward (and enforce) subscription services. The wave of the future. 2424. Indiana Jones - 8/29/2001 11:30:22 AM Francis Urquhart: I sent an email to your Leo Sayer account. If you don't respond soon, I'll be convinced that you've seduced Ace and the two of you have started a lion and tiger show in Las Vegas without me. 2425. Indiana Jones - 8/29/2001 11:31:37 AM (Not that I would want to be in the lion and tiger show. Just the concessions franchise.) 2426. seadate - 8/29/2001 11:32:13 AM haha. Has whip, will travel. 2427. Ms. No - 8/30/2001 12:17:12 PM How many words are there on average on a single page of a standard paperback? 2428. mgleason - 8/30/2001 12:33:48 PM Standard is 250 words, 10 words per line, 25 lines per page. 2429. Ms. No - 8/30/2001 1:22:08 PM Thanks, Maria! 2430. mgleason - 8/30/2001 1:25:46 PM Angela Thirkell, one of my favorite authors, has a recurring character in her Barsetshire novels, a wonderfully scatty woman named Mrs Morland, whose definition of agent is someone you pay to make bad blood between you and your publisher. 2431. Ms. No - 8/30/2001 1:34:37 PM ROTFLMAO! 2432. Laura C - 8/30/2001 1:34:42 PM And if a publisher advertises her books, it's to spend the money he would otherwise have to pay her in royalties. 2433. Ms. No - 8/30/2001 1:38:30 PM Hey, can we move over to the Literature thread? I have more questions and I'd hate to get on Aytch's bad side. 2434. AytchMan - 8/31/2001 2:56:45 PM Good move, kids. 2435. Ms. No - 8/31/2001 3:06:02 PM Aytch, 2436. theDiva - 8/31/2001 3:11:08 PM Notice to Ms. No 2437. Ms. No - 8/31/2001 3:26:18 PM Glad to oblige, Deev! (On both counts) 2438. AytchMan - 8/31/2001 3:35:18 PM msno & diva-- 2439. MaxMacks - 9/12/2001 7:56:04 PM How long will it be, do you suppose, before 2440. judithathome - 9/12/2001 8:17:38 PM Quite some time, I would think. And I see no reason for that to be viewed as anything but normal. 2441. MaxMacks - 9/12/2001 10:06:06 PM I predict about 3 days. 2442. labwabbit - 9/19/2001 2:11:40 PM Question: 2443. labwabbit - 9/19/2001 2:29:32 PM sorry... 2444. Erinys - 9/20/2001 3:24:32 AM Hmm, Max, your prediction of 3 days ....it's a bit short. 2445. PelleNilsson - 9/20/2001 3:34:42 AM Rosetta has not been banned. He was suspended for two weeks and that expired weeks ago. 2446. Erinys - 9/20/2001 3:37:45 AM OK, thanks, PelleNilsson. 2447. arkymalarky - 9/20/2001 10:43:42 PM Few things associated with PONR aren't silly. He may be paying good money to see the Jester well past the prime, but I think it's because he knows he's the jester of the Mote. 2448. arkymalarky - 9/20/2001 10:45:39 PM the=his--his strange brand of typos seems to be contagious, as well. 2449. JayAckroyd - 9/24/2001 9:22:46 AM I've posted a request in Technical Issues regarding my failed attempts to restore auto registration. 2450. Absensia - 9/24/2001 5:59:23 PM Question, re Pelle's comment, 2451. JayAckroyd - 9/26/2001 12:40:39 PM Weird stuff happening on the internet. We may be up and down a few more times today. I'm expecting an outage on October 6th, so that we can install, I am very sorry to say, a firewall. 2452. PelleNilsson - 9/26/2001 2:03:17 PM Jay 2453. JayAckroyd - 9/26/2001 3:22:25 PM Alistair said all the servers disappeared for about an hour this morning EDT. The reboot is very weird. Nothing in the event log indicates that anything was going wrong. 2454. seadate - 9/30/2001 7:55:56 AM Has anyone heard from Fielding? As I recall, he works in New York. 2455. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 6:48:09 PM COURT DENIES LAROCK QUARRY 2456. Indiana Jones - 10/2/2001 7:02:46 PM seadate: Any chance Fielding = spudboy? 2457. don s. - 10/2/2001 7:06:18 PM Hey, whatever happened to what's-her-face, that chick with all the hair? 2458. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:06:46 PM 2459. Absensia - 10/2/2001 7:11:56 PM uz, great news! 2460. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 7:14:50 PM Don, 2461. Toenails - 10/2/2001 7:15:18 PM 2462. don s. - 10/2/2001 7:19:19 PM Jen, is that what you call her? That's not very nice. I'm thinking of that Gal with the Louis XIV hairdo. 2463. Indiana Jones - 10/2/2001 7:23:59 PM Well, I never knew spudboy enough to compare the two. But I remember that Fielding equated Republican and racist fairly easily, and that was big talking point with spudboy as well. Also, I thought spudboy was a New Yorker, and now seadate says Fielding was. Anyway, except for spudboy's soap-dropping trips to the shower with Ace, I barely remember him and couldn't recognize his writing voice...unless he got rolling on the white militia movement. 2464. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 7:26:40 PM Don, 2465. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:27:58 PM 2466. arkymalarky - 10/2/2001 7:28:58 PM Spudboy lived on the West Coast, and I thought Fielding was a friend of Raskolnikov's. Don't remember what led me to think that, though. 2467. don s. - 10/2/2001 7:31:45 PM Ace, shalom! 2468. arkymalarky - 10/2/2001 7:32:23 PM I miss Spudboy, actually. He was intelligent and reasonable, and how he got tagged with the Ultr-Liberal label is beyond me. At least he was something of a magnet for Ace's rants. 2469. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:32:36 PM 2470. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:35:16 PM 2471. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 7:36:22 PM I liked Fielding a lot. I hope that he's doing well. 2472. don s. - 10/2/2001 7:36:23 PM I have an announcement. I light of the recent national tragedy I have renamed my cat. 2473. seadate - 10/2/2001 7:40:46 PM Thanks, Indy, Ace, and Arky (et al). 2474. seadate - 10/2/2001 7:41:26 PM An Jen, I miss him too. 2475. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 7:41:51 PM Fielding hated CalGal. 2476. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:43:18 PM 2477. seadate - 10/2/2001 7:43:27 PM I know .... 2478. don s. - 10/2/2001 7:45:30 PM Um, he said wouldn't it be funny … 2479. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:45:46 PM 2480. don s. - 10/2/2001 7:46:51 PM You mean, even more so? 2481. seadate - 10/2/2001 7:47:03 PM That's what would make it funny, dammit! 2482. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:47:34 PM 2483. arkymalarky - 10/2/2001 7:47:42 PM Less so than the idea that there are actually two of you. ;-) 2484. arkymalarky - 10/2/2001 7:48:29 PM Timing is everything in here. 2485. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:49:13 PM 2486. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 7:50:05 PM Don, 2487. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:51:11 PM 2488. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 7:52:25 PM that would be funny. 2489. seadate - 10/2/2001 7:52:35 PM Nah, Ace. Not a sandwich ..... much more like rosie. 2490. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:53:59 PM 2491. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 7:55:15 PM it's magnificently stunning in an overwhelming way. 2492. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 7:57:14 PM 2493. arkymalarky - 10/2/2001 7:58:47 PM Am I the only one the Attack thread is messing up for? 2494. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 7:59:25 PM Greetings all. This seems to be where all the heavy conversation is taking place tonight. 2495. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:01:08 PM 2496. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 8:02:36 PM we're just funnin' in here Don style. 2497. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:05:27 PM You bring a tear to my eye, Ace. There is nothing like a bologna sandwich pulled from the icechest in the back of one's car while on a road trip in the summer. A universe in itself. 2498. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 8:06:36 PM Undecidedly and unabashedly spot on uzzie. 2499. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:07:04 PM 2500. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:07:56 PM 2501. don s. - 10/2/2001 8:09:08 PM I like a nice crisp piece of iceberg lettuce on my bologna sandwich. 2502. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 8:10:21 PM Wouldn't be funny if I was really iceberg lettuce? 2503. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:10:32 PM Thank you, Jenerator. I have been reading the Mote form time to time over the past couple of weeks-- is it true that a number of good people have left us? Irving? Alazman? Cellardo Oro? 2504. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:10:56 PM 2505. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:11:59 PM 2506. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:13:41 PM 2507. Jenerator - 10/2/2001 8:14:38 PM No Kraft slices? 2508. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:16:15 PM 2509. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:16:54 PM Velveeta! I think Ace is a velveeta man! 2510. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:17:38 PM Thank God that in reality there are liverwurst sandwiches too. 2511. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:18:41 PM 2512. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:20:13 PM Bologna and liverwurst have always been close allies. If they ever went to war we would all lose, indeed. 2513. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:22:05 PM And all that would be left would be velveeta and spam. Both have shelf lives of about 40 years. I know this because Jen was kind enough to give me some of her cooking tips. 2514. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:23:16 PM To pull a liverwurst sandwich from an ice chest is nearly as wonderful as pulling a balogna. 2515. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:25:33 PM I have but one can of SPAM in the basement. My wife will not allow me to stock up. She is a SPAMophobe. 2516. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:26:06 PM 2517. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:30:03 PM Message # 2459 Yes, Absentia, it is good news indeed, but this does not end things. We are up against big money. 2518. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:32:05 PM I said nearly. There is nothing as wonderful as a baloney sandwich. 2519. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:32:49 PM 2520. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:32:53 PM That appears to be the case, uzmakk, and when I read your announcement, I was please for you and glad you realized it wasn't over yet. Guess there will be an appeal next, hmmmm, by the "family"? 2521. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:33:51 PM 2522. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:37:09 PM The "family"," mob remnants", "the extractive industries", "current legislation going against us", "a local court so partisan that I wouldn't be surprised to find Mr. Larock and Judge Capellini locked in a passionate embrace". 2523. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:38:05 PM Very very true! 2524. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:39:17 PM How many knuckles do you have, Ace? Are you Shiva? 2525. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:39:34 PM Oops, that was for Ace's post about what he has. 2526. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:40:25 PM Uzmakk, I say send in Ace to NUKE NUKE NUKE them all. 2527. AceofSpades - 10/2/2001 8:41:09 PM 2528. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:41:54 PM No knuckles before their time. And, no knuckle sandwiches unless you serve that rose wine that comes in a square box. 2529. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:44:56 PM We've won two rounds against the local judge. 2530. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 8:53:22 PM Also, absentia, as I see it, we have won our victories in court. Still we are not safe. Others are dismayed that things now move into the realm of politics because they see an unbeatable machine. I piss on the machine. 2531. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:54:34 PM Considering where I think it is, and what you've said, I think I have a good idea. Let your war cry ring out, Steppelord! 2532. Absensia - 10/2/2001 8:56:12 PM Oh yes, if the courts validate you, the pols will just try to change the laws. 2533. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 9:06:26 PM Precisely! New legislation has been passed since this case went to court 2 years ago. But I will attack this new law not as law but as politics. I shall expose the sophists! I shall have Ace shove a baloney sandwich, clenched tightly in his fist, so that we are speaking of all 13 of Ace's knuckles, up their ass 2534. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 9:09:02 PM You know, Ace, spudboy accused me of being nearly retarded. 2535. Absensia - 10/2/2001 9:13:03 PM It sounds like a near perfect defense to me Uzmakk. Hmm, did the judge say the actions were invalid under the existing laws or something else? 2536. uzmakk - 10/2/2001 9:24:50 PM The high court judge (the overturning judge) said that what LaRock attempted was against the current law. 2537. Absensia - 10/2/2001 9:29:12 PM And a pleasure for me. Sweet dreams to you and yours. 2538. JayAckroyd - 10/4/2001 12:06:39 PM This is a reminder that we are planning network maintenance activity for this Saturday between 9 am and 5 pm EDT. The mote server will be down several times within that period. 2539. Ms. No - 10/4/2001 12:11:00 PM Jay, 2540. JayAckroyd - 10/4/2001 12:52:32 PM Thanks. It's a sad day actually. I have to put up a firewall. 2541. judithathome - 10/4/2001 1:03:05 PM What does that mean? (I'm a computer illiterate.) 2542. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/4/2001 1:05:32 PM It means the Mote is vulnerable to terrorism, J@H. 2543. RustlerPike - 10/4/2001 1:06:18 PM Judith: 2544. Property of Jesus - 10/4/2001 1:07:21 PM Right. If this thing starts to snowball, it will catch fire right across the country. 2545. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/4/2001 1:10:14 PM Pricks! 2546. JayAckroyd - 10/4/2001 1:12:00 PM A firewall is a device that controls what internet packets are allowed to enter a local network, and that keeps track of attempts to penetrate a network by outsiders. The rate at which my servers are being scanned by outsiders with presumably ill intentions has hit a point where I need to secure the environment more fully. 2547. judithathome - 10/4/2001 1:20:05 PM Thanks Wiz and Jay... 2548. Property of Jesus - 10/4/2001 1:24:46 PM Hey, you forgot your weakest link, Judith. 2549. Property of Jesus - 10/4/2001 1:25:41 PM you're=your 2550. judithathome - 10/4/2001 1:31:36 PM Those 18 saw your name, Rosie, and decided to leave. 2551. PincherMartin - 10/5/2001 12:41:00 PM PseudoErasmus, 2552. don s. - 10/5/2001 7:34:15 PM My very important announcement got lost in the sandwich shuffle, I fear. 2553. uzmakk - 10/6/2001 11:05:13 AM don s: 2554. arkymalarky - 10/6/2001 1:57:56 PM That's really creepy. 2555. JayAckroyd - 10/6/2001 2:10:26 PM We are, as you can see, up for the moment. But we may come down again as we work through some issues. 2556. arkymalarky - 10/6/2001 2:12:56 PM Thanks, Jay. 2557. Absensia - 10/6/2001 2:23:10 PM Yes, thanks Jay. 2558. arkymalarky - 10/6/2001 2:54:28 PM Oh no, I'm watching a VH1 show about John Meloncamp(sp) even as I type! 2559. PelleNilsson - 10/6/2001 3:31:36 PM Meloncamp? What kind of name is that? 2560. JayAckroyd - 10/6/2001 3:31:59 PM I think we'll be staying up. 2561. PelleNilsson - 10/6/2001 3:34:26 PM It's gone well then? Good. 2562. JayAckroyd - 10/6/2001 3:35:59 PM Pretty smoothly. We have a fair amount of traffic. Over 800 hits in the last hour or so. 2563. Absensia - 10/6/2001 3:36:41 PM Great Jay. Hi Ya Pelle. 2564. Property of Jesus - 10/6/2001 3:46:00 PM Why don't you fix mote's email registration problem while you're at it so you don't have show your drivers' license and give your social security number to gain admitance. 2565. Property of Jesus - 10/6/2001 3:48:13 PM since you 2566. JayAckroyd - 10/6/2001 7:29:51 PM The last little bit of cleanup led to a series of bad things. We've straightened them out, I think. 2567. arkymalarky - 10/6/2001 8:56:43 PM Thanks again, Jay. We appreciate you. 2568. Absensia - 10/6/2001 9:13:07 PM Yes we do, Jay. And the last little bit was POJ's constant whining...that must be what lead to the series of bad things. 2569. joezan - 10/6/2001 11:34:44 PM Thanks, Jay. 2570. Property of Jesus - 10/7/2001 8:14:11 AM Yes, thanx u, J. 2571. JayAckroyd - 10/7/2001 8:15:24 AM Today's NY Daily News has on its front page an incredibly irresponsible story about reporters who have penetrated airport security with exacto knives and other bladed objects. 2572. PelleNilsson - 10/7/2001 3:52:40 PM I removed the Mote Outage item from News. 2573. Property of Jesus - 10/7/2001 4:14:03 PM Of course you did, Make-Work Pelle, and I'm sure you felt good doing it. 2574. judithathome - 10/7/2001 4:30:32 PM Why don't you gather your kids around you, Rose, and tell them they are safe. You stupid asshole. 2575. Property of Jesus - 10/7/2001 4:58:47 PM ...because they're not, Judith. 2576. judithathome - 10/7/2001 5:13:02 PM I don't even watch MTV and Buffy...that's your balliwick, trying to be hip for the kiddos. 2577. Property of Jesus - 10/7/2001 5:18:34 PM So you take credit for "proudnerd"?? 2578. arkymalarky - 10/7/2001 5:20:03 PM Proudnerd isn't a new Motie. 2579. judithathome - 10/7/2001 5:20:22 PM This isn't the place to discuss this and I don't like you so no place is the place. Drop it. 2580. Property of Jesus - 10/7/2001 5:26:24 PM Of course you like me. That's why you follow me around forum after forum. 2581. judithathome - 10/7/2001 5:27:00 PM So long as you don't follow me... 2582. AytchMan - 10/15/2001 5:15:22 PM Stupid question: how does one log off the Mote? 2583. CalGal - 10/15/2001 5:22:04 PM Go to your profile and uncheck Login automatically. That should do it, but double check. Worst case, delete the cookie. 2584. AytchMan - 10/15/2001 5:24:58 PM Thanks. I was afraid there was an obvious button on the home page that I was missing. 2585. arkymalarky - 10/15/2001 9:39:07 PM I accidently unsubscribed to the Mote thread (I guess that's what happened) in WorldCrossing and can't find it anywhere on their list. Anybody know how I can get back on it? 2586. robertjayb - 10/15/2001 9:52:53 PM 2587. arkymalarky - 10/15/2001 9:55:50 PM Thanks Robert! 2588. Fielding - 10/22/2001 5:30:33 PM A few of you sent e-mails asking if I was okay in the aftermath of September 11th. These e-mails were sent to an address which I rarely use nowadays so I didn't know about them. 2589. judithathome - 10/22/2001 5:33:56 PM Hey, Fielding! Hope you stick around for awhile; you've been missed. 2590. arkymalarky - 10/22/2001 5:38:51 PM Hey Fielding! Thanks for the update, and I'm sorry you've had such a difficult experience. 2591. Fielding - 10/22/2001 5:45:42 PM I didn't mean to imply that I've suffered anything out of the ordinary. I'm really OK. 2592. Frankster - 10/22/2001 5:46:14 PM Hey, Fielding! 2593. CalGal - 10/22/2001 5:50:19 PM Hi, Fielding, glad to see you and glad you're okay. 2594. Ms. No - 10/22/2001 5:51:15 PM Fielding, 2595. Jenerator - 10/22/2001 6:56:04 PM Fielding!! 2596. Adrianne - 10/23/2001 7:14:54 AM Hi, everyone. 2597. theDiva - 10/24/2001 8:50:27 AM HEY GANG 2598. Ms. No - 10/24/2001 1:02:11 PM If you want to participate in the Gift Exchange then email your mailing info to Adrianne at: 2599. CalGal - 10/24/2001 1:04:00 PM Deev, 2600. theDiva - 10/24/2001 1:11:00 PM Christin is doing it right now. I prefer not to use my work e-mail for that purpose. 2601. Adrianne - 10/25/2001 11:49:20 AM MOTE GIFT EXCHANGE 2602. OhioSTOPAS - 10/25/2001 1:50:41 PM HELP THE COMPUTER-ILLITERATE! 2603. AytchMan - 10/25/2001 3:27:51 PM Somebody is sending out a fake Red Cross/United Way email solicitation: 2604. Absensia - 10/27/2001 11:24:35 PM For those of us who have to deal with this twice a year, 2605. Frankster - 10/27/2001 11:46:21 PM Abs, 2606. Absensia - 10/28/2001 1:34:18 AM I posted it in two places just for you Frank...I knew you'd be happy because it gives you one more hour to parteeeee. 2607. Adrianne - 11/1/2001 6:55:25 AM Please let me know, all gift exchange participants, if you have NOT received an email with your recipients info. If I don't hear from you, I'll assume you did. 2608. marshame - 11/6/2001 4:58:52 PM Adrianne 2609. Frankster - 11/6/2001 5:08:35 PM Marshame, 2610. Francis Urquhart - 11/10/2001 2:06:33 PM "In the anthrax case, the FBI is hoping its portrait of the perpetrator--as an antisocial loner with some peculiar mannerisms in his handwriting and phrasing--will help lead them to whoever mailed at least three anthrax-laced letters and killed four people." 2611. CalGal - 11/10/2001 2:12:10 PM 2612. Cellar Door - 11/10/2001 2:12:57 PM Where IS Bobo these days anyway? 2613. Francis Urquhart - 11/10/2001 2:24:51 PM Ah. 2614. CalGal - 11/10/2001 2:38:53 PM I can do a decent impression of William Atherton in Real Genius who, of course, taught the children of the world....Everything. 2615. Cellar Door - 11/10/2001 2:40:25 PM And I can do Dolores Gray's "Not Since Ninevah" number from Kismet ! 2616. CalGal - 11/10/2001 2:49:19 PM That was just on TMC last night; I missed all but the last 15 minutes. That Howard boy, he can sing. 2617. Cellar Door - 11/10/2001 2:58:39 PM 2618. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 11/10/2001 9:39:27 PM His hack dentist obviously doesn't care about him -- it looks like his teeth are four sizes too big and way too white for an octogenarian. 2619. Francis Urquhart - 11/12/2001 7:35:50 PM Cartman 2620. CalGal - 11/12/2001 7:52:46 PM As someone who remembers you posting on two of these subjects often, and the other only once: 2621. Francis Urquhart - 11/12/2001 8:08:13 PM "3--I thought you'd said he slept with his dead sister." 2622. CalGal - 11/12/2001 8:11:59 PM I will go look it up and get the exact quote. Are you saying that it did not include anything of morality? 2623. Francis Urquhart - 11/12/2001 8:15:24 PM I am saying, again, that Cart's assertion that I stated "a political candidate who professed his atheism/agnosticism would not get your vote, because he couldn't possibly be as 'good' or 'moral' as a person of faith" is true in the predicate, but the recounting of my reasons is nothing less than a perversion of my words. 2624. arkymalarky - 11/12/2001 8:16:48 PM I'm beginning to envision you in jackboots and a riding crop. This can't be a good thing. 2625. Francis Urquhart - 11/12/2001 8:18:13 PM That depends on whether you like a strong hand or not. It is my understanding that women from the country require a strong hand. 2626. arkymalarky - 11/12/2001 8:19:53 PM Hahaha. Yes, we do. There's lots of work to be done on a farm, and we need men who can handle it. 2627. CalGal - 11/12/2001 8:24:59 PM Francis, 2628. CalGal - 11/12/2001 8:25:42 PM That means you not only agree with Cartman's comment 2629. CalGal - 11/13/2001 10:23:16 AM 10334. 109109 - 12/14/99 7:19:37 PM 2630. CalGal - 11/13/2001 10:29:05 AM 2631. CalGal - 11/13/2001 10:33:53 AM 10495. 109109 - 12/15/99 11:44:16 AM 2632. Erin R. - 11/13/2001 10:35:05 AM I think that people would be reluctant to vote for, or even hostile towards athiest candidates because most athiests seem to think that people who believe in God are mentally ill or weak. 2633. CalGal - 11/13/2001 10:36:03 AM 10391. 109109 - 12/15/99 7:00:14 AM 2634. Francis Urquhart - 11/13/2001 10:45:48 AM Cal 2635. Cellar Door - 11/13/2001 10:48:57 AM There is nothing moral about a God who demands human sacrifice. 2636. Cellar Door - 11/13/2001 10:50:17 AM The Christian God is an alarmingly insecure creature who demands that we "give him the glory" at all times. 2637. rubberducky - 11/13/2001 10:50:48 AM personally, 45 town meetings would do the trick for me -- anymore than that is overkill 2638. Cellar Door - 11/13/2001 10:51:57 AM "I don't know. I would have to see the candidate in 47 town meetings, debates, photo ops, and press conferences. But I'll admit that it would be a strike against him, for the reasons I've stated." 2639. CalGal - 11/13/2001 10:56:38 AM In my opinion, my memory is correct and Cart's restatement is accurate. But if you wish to say that my memory is incorrect, I think it is impossible to deny my "nearly positive" recollection that your reasons had to do with morality and ethics. 2640. Francis Urquhart - 11/13/2001 11:04:45 AM Then, the matter is settled, as I cannot engage in further discussion on a matter in which those who wish to engage me have shown what I deem to be gross negligence in construing my words. 2641. judithathome - 11/13/2001 11:10:59 AM because most athiests seem to think that people who believe in God are mentally ill or weak. 2642. CalGal - 11/13/2001 11:13:23 AM Francis, 2643. Erin R. - 11/13/2001 11:13:30 AM Maybe most of the ones I have met on the Internet think this. Or at least, the ones who don't, don't generally speak up. 2644. judithathome - 11/13/2001 11:19:06 AM Or at least, the ones who don't, don't generally speak up. 2645. CalGal - 11/13/2001 11:45:53 AM Not one statement as to a political candidate who believes in God being better or more moral than one who expresses a belief in God. 2646. Jenerator - 11/13/2001 11:49:11 AM Judith, 2647. judithathome - 11/13/2001 12:48:53 PM Jen... 2648. Ms. No - 11/13/2001 2:23:14 PM Why is this discussion in Notices & Queries? 2649. labwabbit - 11/14/2001 4:49:03 PM You heard it here last. 2650. Francis Urquhart - 11/16/2001 8:47:40 PM Things are crazy busy, and I am terribly addled these days, but I wanted to say to all in case I forget or otherwise do not get a chance -- 2651. AytchMan - 11/19/2001 3:16:36 PM New Online ads: 2652. CalGal - 11/19/2001 3:27:45 PM Aytch, 2653. Property of Jesus - 11/19/2001 3:38:13 PM One of the few on the internet who are honest with chick measurements is The Drudge Report. 2654. HollyW - 11/19/2001 3:44:01 PM Chick measurements? Wouldn't that be 36-24-36? 2655. AytchMan - 11/19/2001 3:47:26 PM cal-- 2656. Property of Jesus - 11/19/2001 3:47:45 PM Oh, to have a post-production edit feature. 2657. AytchMan - 11/19/2001 3:51:38 PM poj-- 2658. CalGal - 11/19/2001 3:53:33 PM Aytch, 2659. AytchMan - 11/19/2001 4:15:56 PM cal-- 2660. CalGal - 11/19/2001 4:18:30 PM Meetchat da slow thread... 2661. joezan - 11/19/2001 10:36:15 PM Does anyone else subscribe to MSNBC News Alert? If so, is it doing what you asked for in your preferences? 2662. Property of Jesus - 11/20/2001 5:43:16 AM AytchMan: Who knows, although he publishes them daily and they go up and down regularly depending on how much fresh information he has. 2663. AytchMan - 11/21/2001 3:16:30 PM To everybody celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday: 2664. ScottLoar - 11/22/2001 11:11:47 AM Not knowing where else to post this: 2665. judithathome - 11/22/2001 11:17:28 AM No Nose 2666. wonkers2 - 11/22/2001 11:35:54 AM I know a guy called "Nose-only" Bruzzone. (He has a very large nose and a very receding chin.) 2667. PelleNilsson - 11/22/2001 2:52:37 PM I wish all Americans a Happy Thanksgiving. 2668. Jenerator - 11/26/2001 9:00:05 AM Who is the moderator around here? 2669. Indiana Jones - 11/26/2001 9:06:24 AM Why would you ask a question like that, Jen? 2670. Indiana Jones - 11/26/2001 9:27:02 AM Pincher and Francis: You both have email. 2671. Jenerator - 11/26/2001 9:42:26 AM Indiana, 2672. rubberducky - 11/26/2001 9:44:57 AM wabbit is the moderator and has been since theMote's inception. Ms No and Pelle are the co-moderators as of more than a year ago IIRC 2673. Jenerator - 11/26/2001 10:00:29 AM Duh. maybe I'm thinking of "Gatekeeper". I'm very distracted at the moment, sorry. 2674. rubberducky - 11/26/2001 10:03:52 AM well, click the 'email the Gatekeeper' link on the front page and see who responds. i think Diva was doing it and Ms No was helping her out. 2675. theDiva - 11/26/2001 10:10:03 AM I have not been Gatekeeper since October 8 due to inability to access my web-based accounts from work. Sorry, I thought I'd announced it here and in Suggs but I guess folks missed it. 2676. Indiana Jones - 11/26/2001 10:16:14 AM No offense take, Jen. 2677. Indiana Jones - 11/26/2001 10:16:26 AM taken 2678. Property of Jesus - 11/26/2001 11:07:23 AM Hilarious. Mote's gatekeeper can't access her e-mail. 2679. theDiva - 11/26/2001 11:51:53 AM Stone 2680. judithathome - 11/26/2001 12:01:32 PM Diva: 2681. Property of Jesus - 11/26/2001 12:08:10 PM With so few posters left here because of our e-mail registration problems , you're right, I shouldn't have missed it. 2682. judithathome - 11/26/2001 12:17:25 PM ...and so it goes..... 2683. Andonly - 11/26/2001 3:53:13 PM From email: 2684. Andonly - 11/26/2001 3:53:45 PM Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino 2685. Andonly - 11/26/2001 3:56:36 PM Skinny Joey is a Philly mobster attempting to work his way up to being a big man, with the law all over him constantly. So he gives conspicuously to charity and has himself videotaped serving food at soup kitchens and such. 2686. Snowowl - 11/26/2001 4:00:08 PM The WTC survivor email is just another hoax. 2687. rubberducky - 11/26/2001 4:07:28 PM yes, it is a hoax 2688. AytchMan - 11/28/2001 1:33:29 AM Google's trying an interesting experiment. The article also discusses some spam and anti-spam techniques (for search engines). 2689. judithathome - 11/29/2001 7:04:52 PM I just received a letter from some goofball in Africa asking if he could use my bank account to deposit 26 million dollars from his bank and I would get 5% of the total if I sent him my account #...how do I send this letter to my mail server and let them know someone is trying to bilk people out of all their money using their service? 2690. judithathome - 11/29/2001 7:09:47 PM Never mind...I found out where to send it.... 2691. arkymalarky - 11/29/2001 7:10:00 PM I got the same thing in my Yahoo account. I get too much spam in my isp email, most of it ludicrous stuff of that sort, if the titles I read on the way to trashing them are accurate. They probably started from one of mine or Bob's local friends or relatives who send forwards, but I just delete it. If it gets to be excessive I'll have to tell my isp, I guess. 2692. mgleason - 11/29/2001 7:10:56 PM The piker who wrote to me wants to transfer only $4.3 million, and talks of a 'substantial' reward. You have a much better offer! 2693. judithathome - 11/29/2001 7:13:27 PM Ha! 2694. Absensia - 11/29/2001 7:14:45 PM Damn, I just don't get any emails promising monetary rewards. 2695. wonkers2 - 11/29/2001 7:19:15 PM I've also gotten emails from Nigeria offering various get rich quick opportunities. They aren't sent by goofballs. I've read about them. These scam artists have successfully defrauded a fair number of Americans. Before email they were using regular mail. 2696. ScottLoar - 11/29/2001 7:42:26 PM The most charming larcenists I've met in person have mostly been Nigerians, and letters promising rich commissions to help their "old school chums" who are now Nigerian government ministers transfer large amounts of cash had circulated among trading companies for decades. 2697. judithathome - 11/29/2001 7:47:29 PM Oh this guy WAS a minister...I evidently hit the big time of rip off artists. 2698. ScottLoar - 11/29/2001 7:47:37 PM In one periodical - maybe Harper's or The Atlantic Monthly - of years ago one American recounts his experience as he is approached in Africa and for the rest of the day and into the evening the scam unfolds. The next morning he tells his newfound buddy, no thanks, and as both know the scam won't go down he asks, "Why me?" 2699. ScottLoar - 11/29/2001 7:49:39 PM I thought those little old ladies gave to a t.v. minister who promised God would call him home unless 50K was raised over the weekend. 2700. judithathome - 11/29/2001 7:56:22 PM Ha....I'm sure they did! It worked, too...he was still around for quite awhile. 2702. judithathome - 11/29/2001 7:59:17 PM oooops! 2701 was a balnk, accidently posted. 2703. Absensia - 11/29/2001 8:15:35 PM No...that was Oral and it was one million. 2704. Absensia - 11/29/2001 8:17:11 PM I never understood that. I'd think a minister would be happy to be called home by the Lord. 2705. ScottLoar - 11/29/2001 10:00:41 PM Speaking of sins and transgressions, wasn't it the televangelist Jimmy Swaggert (Swaggart?) who was discovered in a cheap hotel room with a cheaper whore and then cried out on t.v. "I have sinned"? The subsequent outpouring of Christian compassion and forgiveness would seemingly have humbled most men but Swaggert was found a few months again in the same situation, but that time he pronounced it weren't anybody's business but his own. 2706. Absensia - 11/29/2001 10:07:24 PM Yes, you are right. The very same Jimmy Swaggert who was so critical of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker. 2707. arkymalarky - 11/29/2001 10:09:46 PM He's a cousin of Jerry Lee Lewis, if that tells you anything. 2708. Absensia - 11/29/2001 10:14:16 PM That's right...I forgot about that. Prolly his brother too. 2709. wonkers2 - 11/29/2001 10:14:42 PM Swaggart is a great preacher. But he reminds me of the great and famous french architect, Pierre, who was caught performing oral sex and from then on he was not known as Pierre the architect. 2710. ScottLoar - 11/30/2001 10:45:04 AM Jerry Lee Lewis. Other than his outstanding "Great Balls of Fire" wasn't his outstanding performance marrying then divorcing ever younger girls the last, I think, being 14? 2711. ScottLoar - 11/30/2001 10:51:27 AM Please consider Message # 2710 a continuation of Sins and Transgressions. 2712. judithathome - 11/30/2001 11:14:35 AM I thought she was 13 but am not one to quibble over a few months... 2713. PelleNilsson - 11/30/2001 1:27:01 PM And the marriage was legal, I believe. She was his cousin, wasn't she? Or was that an earlier victim? I've seen Jerry live. Great performer. 2714. Absensia - 11/30/2001 1:33:09 PM Didn't she make a few records? I think her name was Brenda Lee. Pelle, it was in the state they got married in. A southern state, and hey, they were related! 2715. Snowowl - 11/30/2001 1:36:22 PM There was a lot of hooha about it when he was about to tour the UK with his child bride in tow. I think the tour was cancelled because of the outcry over what was seen as child molestation. 2716. ronski - 11/30/2001 2:01:09 PM His marriage was to his second cousin, Myra Gale Brown, not to Brenda Lee, the singer. 2717. ScottLoar - 11/30/2001 2:46:11 PM Another rock n' roll artist with a penchant for the very young: Chuck Berry 2718. Absensia - 11/30/2001 2:50:58 PM Thanks for clearing that up, Ronski...I'm not old enough to remember! ; ) 2719. PelleNilsson - 11/30/2001 3:25:35 PM Supposedly true story from one of the times Chuck visited Stockholm. 2720. theDiva - 11/30/2001 3:30:41 PM talk about your multitasking... 2721. Ms. No - 12/4/2001 2:03:13 PM VIRUS ALERT!!! 2722. PelleNilsson - 12/4/2001 2:18:14 PM Are you sure this is not another hoax? Nothing on Microsoft's site. 2723. AytchMan - 12/4/2001 2:20:54 PM Along those same lines, PC Mag is reporting an estimate that the virus/email ratio is running at the following rates: 2724. CalGal - 12/4/2001 2:23:53 PM It's not a hoax; McAfee alerted all their customers. 2725. Ms. No - 12/4/2001 2:47:46 PM Not a hoax it's been raging all over our servers for the past two hours. 2726. AytchMan - 12/4/2001 3:56:47 PM Since we have no more Quiz thread -- 2727. arkymalarky - 12/4/2001 6:32:36 PM pentagon square? 2728. AytchMan - 12/7/2001 12:06:48 AM arky -- 2729. AytchMan - 12/7/2001 12:13:51 AM For anybody who's annoyed by pop-up ads, you can crush them utterly with PopUp Stopper, a free download from ZDNet. Just look in the downloads section. I've been using it a couple of months and it's a killer. 2730. CalGal - 12/7/2001 12:23:08 AM That would bug me, though. I have a lot of windows going at once. So Target=new wouldn't work? 2731. AytchMan - 12/7/2001 12:34:35 AM I also keep several windows open at once. Even so, it's rare to open a new one (every half-hour or so). Since I used to get a lot of pop-ups (every couple of minutes or worse), it's a small price to pay. 2732. CalGal - 12/7/2001 12:40:05 AM No, an HTML tag that we use here in links. 2733. CalGal - 12/7/2001 12:40:59 AM I don't get popups every couple minutes but they are definitely annoying. But it's quicker for me to close windows than it is to remember to turn it off and on all the time. Still, I may try it on one of my pcs. 2734. AytchMan - 12/7/2001 12:48:54 AM 732-- 2735. CalGal - 12/7/2001 1:02:55 AM Mellifluous, huh? 2736. AytchMan - 12/7/2001 1:10:55 AM Unquestionably. 2737. CalGal - 12/7/2001 1:20:03 AM How long will it take you to wish that you'd responded with "Indubitably"? 2738. AytchMan - 12/7/2001 1:26:33 AM Don't start with me; you know how I get. 2739. CalGal - 12/7/2001 1:34:53 AM Yeah, yeah. But I'm stuck in a server room without a chair and 10,000 lines of code to triple check and test, so cut me some slack. 2740. AytchMan - 12/7/2001 1:41:38 AM Life is a series of problems and their solutions. 2741. CalGal - 12/7/2001 2:01:11 AM See it again. 2742. CalGal - 12/7/2001 2:02:16 AM See it again. 2743. rubberducky - 12/7/2001 9:42:37 AM A-Man, i'm trying it out now and will report back. 2744. arkymalarky - 12/7/2001 8:44:03 PM H, 2745. Indiana Jones - 12/8/2001 11:11:09 AM I have no idea who this belongs to, but came across it on the net. There was a discussion earlier (I think) about some of the Fray archives going away or something. This looks like at least a portion of a Fray archive. 2746. CalGal - 12/8/2001 11:32:05 AM Yeah, that's my one of my three sites. I never bothered with a front page because it just got hooked in to the Fray archive. I now do the same thing by building conversations, but I still haven't hooked them all together. 2747. AytchMan - 12/9/2001 4:32:39 PM arky-- 2748. AytchMan - 12/9/2001 6:46:32 PM Downloading a lot of files? 2749. Jenerator - 12/10/2001 11:48:38 AM When was the world's population roughly 800,000 million? 2750. judithathome - 12/10/2001 11:53:29 AM My e-mail provider is suddenly sending me old e-mails I've already deleted...back from the first day of December. What would cause this? 2751. robertjayb - 12/10/2001 1:41:58 PM Historical Estimates of World Population...Good luck reading the table... 2752. AytchMan - 12/10/2001 9:21:35 PM judith-- 2753. Ms. No - 12/11/2001 2:16:42 PM According to the table it's probably earlier than 1830, but the table is weird. 2754. Ms. No - 12/11/2001 2:18:30 PM Aytch, 2755. rubberducky - 12/11/2001 2:39:27 PM does anyone have any responses to my Message # 477 in thread 107? 2756. Ms. No - 12/11/2001 2:40:32 PM Sorry, Ducky, I can't help you there. 2757. CalGal - 12/11/2001 2:49:53 PM You know, I forked out money on a whim in July for Consumer Reports. You're welcome to borrow my subscription if I can find the id info. Or have you already checked them and are looking elsewhere? 2758. rubberducky - 12/11/2001 2:51:18 PM i'd appreciate it, CG. i haven't looked at CR yet as i am miserly cheap. 2759. CalGal - 12/11/2001 2:53:59 PM I can't for the life of me remember why it seemed like a good idea at the time. I never pay for online stuff. But I'll hunt up the id at home and email it to you. Don't hesitate to nag me if I forget. 2760. Jenerator - 12/11/2001 2:55:32 PM Ms. No, 2761. Jenerator - 12/11/2001 2:56:29 PM CG, 2762. rubberducky - 12/11/2001 2:56:34 PM CG: 2763. Jenerator - 12/11/2001 2:56:41 PM CG, 2764. Jenerator - 12/11/2001 2:57:15 PM Ooops. I tried to stop it before it posted to correct the typo. 2765. Absensia - 12/19/2001 9:59:07 PM I can't seem to find the message announcing that the "Explore the Internet" thread was being archived. Can someone please tell me where that announcement is and who and why it was decided to do it? It might not get used often, but had a lot of interesting and fun urls in it. 2766. uzmakk - 12/21/2001 9:40:11 AM Does PP still post in some type of forum? 2767. judithathome - 12/21/2001 9:45:38 AM Yes, at World Crossing in the Random International section under Ozzies Sports Cafe or something close to that. 2768. judithathome - 12/21/2001 9:49:51 AM Go HERE and scroll down to International Sports Bar with Ozzie Nelson. 2769. uzmakk - 12/21/2001 10:33:58 AM Thanks, Judith, very very much. I am tickled to be receiving these photos. Thanks regarding PP. Won't be long till my lads go off to college. I may need some psychological counseling. 2770. Ms. No - 12/21/2001 2:37:59 PM Absentia, 2771. Francis Urquhart - 12/23/2001 10:26:31 PM I have received my new moniker from the powers that be. 2772. Cellar Door - 12/24/2001 10:16:57 AM "Tiny Tim"? 2773. joezan - 12/25/2001 10:22:45 PM I am finally going to install Windows'98 (or maybe ME), after many happy years with '95. Not by choice - I have to because I finally got a new printer. 2774. AytchMan - 12/26/2001 9:11:59 PM If the price is about equal, go with ME. I was skeptical at first but I've been running it for several months and it works fine. It's a tad slower than Win 98, I think, but faster than 95. It's also the latest/last of the 9x line so future upgrades will be cheaper and easier. 2775. joezan - 12/26/2001 11:54:06 PM Thanks, H. 2776. arkymalarky - 12/28/2001 5:55:46 PM Thanks for getting things going again, Jay, and thanks to you and the moderators for keeping them going in general. I hope all of you are having a good holiday season. 2777. joezan - 12/29/2001 12:23:26 AM Well, I'm all up-dated. I borrowed someone's '98 update disk, and it was a breeze. Didn't have to mess with any settings - it updated everything, far as I can tell - even my internet and mail settings. 2778. joezan - 12/29/2001 9:45:16 PM I spoke too soon... 2779. CalGal - 12/29/2001 10:05:00 PM What file? 2780. joezan - 12/29/2001 11:58:00 PM It said TWAIN32.dll, or something. 2781. CalGal - 12/30/2001 12:06:18 AM 2782. joezan - 12/30/2001 1:40:28 AM Ok - I found the file in the '98 update disk, and apparently that's fixed. Now, I can shut down but have to jump through all sorts of hoops to start up. 2783. CalGal - 12/30/2001 1:50:22 AM Does it continually identify and reinstall all the components on your system? If so, have you run a virus scan on it recently? 2784. joezan - 12/30/2001 8:54:34 AM No - when I accessed the CDROM from the control panel, it zipped through the install without installing anything until I would uncheck items that had already been installed. 2785. joezan - 12/30/2001 8:56:44 AM Oh - I should mention that one of the files I got the message for was the TWAIN32.dll. 2786. CalGal - 12/30/2001 11:05:58 AM When Spawn had a similar problem, it was because he was infected with the Love Bug. Do you download jpgs on that computer? 2787. joezan - 12/30/2001 12:00:48 PM I don't think it would be that - it didn't happen till I installed '98, and I took Outlook Express off years ago and have never re-installed it. 2788. PelleNilsson - 1/1/2002 3:23:48 PM I'll be off skiing for a few days some 600 km north-west of here. Se you Sunday. 2789. arkymalarky - 1/1/2002 3:27:00 PM Have fun, Pelle! 2790. PelleNilsson - 1/1/2002 3:34:22 PM Thanks. There is plenty of snow but it might become too cold to venture outside. We'll bring plenty of books, though, and the cottage has a fire place so a good time is ensured no matter what. 2791. rubberducky - 1/2/2002 9:06:35 AM ...I took Outlook Express off years ago and have never re-installed it. 2792. Julius Caesar - 1/2/2002 1:36:49 PM Is anyone aware of any group that raises funds for the families of members of the military who die on duty? 2793. judithathome - 1/2/2002 1:38:42 PM No...when we were in the military, we were always warned that these sorts of groups weren't sanctioned by the military. They take care of their own. 2794. Julius Caesar - 1/2/2002 1:41:03 PM judithathome 2795. CalGal - 1/2/2002 1:45:21 PM I don't think there is such a charity, although there are charities set up to help people whose spouses are overseas. 2796. AytchMan - 1/2/2002 6:00:49 PM joe-- 2797. Andonly - 1/8/2002 1:54:43 PM Calling all liberal Murcan Jews: 2798. Andonly - 1/8/2002 1:58:04 PM Computerish query: anyone have any idea why I suddenly am unable to print from any online source, while yet being able to print from my desktop? I'm using bloody AOL 6, Windows 98, and an HP Deskjet 710c. 2799. CalGal - 1/8/2002 2:07:03 PM And, I realize this is a stupid query but I'm curious: do they check to ensure that everyone who signs up is Jewish? 2800. rubberducky - 1/8/2002 2:35:04 PM are you trying to print through the shitty AOHelL 'browser' or an actual one? if AOHelL's, try to install their latest version of shit 2801. AytchMan - 1/8/2002 6:43:55 PM andonly-- 2802. CalGal - 1/8/2002 6:50:46 PM Hey, Aytch--can you think of any environmental variable on Win98 that would start forcing a modem disconnect? I've been dealing with this for a couple months now and it is driving me batty. 2803. judithathome - 1/8/2002 6:51:51 PM H-Man: 2804. AytchMan - 1/8/2002 6:59:15 PM cal-- 2805. CalGal - 1/8/2002 7:02:20 PM I'm with Earthlink (via Mindspring via Netcom). But that's the confusing part--it's not a disconnect after a set time, and this happens all times of the day and night. It is entirely driven by the total time I've been using the modem between reboots. It doesn't happen on other PCs that I own, either. Just this one. 2806. AytchMan - 1/8/2002 7:03:28 PM judith-- 2807. Andonly - 1/8/2002 9:00:06 PM "And, I realize this is a stupid query but I'm curious: do they check to ensure that everyone who signs up is Jewish?" 2808. Andonly - 1/8/2002 9:01:23 PM "I don't use anything AOL but (possibly) there's some default printer setting in the browser that's been trashed. Search through the browser's preferences, you may spot something." 2809. RustlerPike - 1/9/2002 8:28:49 AM I've registered a domain name with NamesDirect but they aren't answering my emails. Help!!! 2810. judithathome - 1/9/2002 11:06:07 AM Pat Buchannan is interviewed by Diane Rehm on NPR today...times vary with location. 2811. Absensia - 1/9/2002 11:08:07 AM and I'd want to watch Pat, why??????? :P 2812. Absensia - 1/9/2002 11:09:24 AM errr, rather...listen, not watch...but it's all the same. 2813. judithathome - 1/9/2002 11:25:38 AM To keep abreast of what the lunatic fringe is thinking... 2814. AytchMan - 1/9/2002 5:55:55 PM While I find Pat Buchanan a thoroughly objectionable political player, I find him much easier to listen to than watch. He has learned those hand movement/interviewing techniques far too well. 2815. judithathome - 1/9/2002 5:59:20 PM When he's being interviewed on radio, and laughs, you can't see his beady little eyes disappear, either. 2816. AytchMan - 1/9/2002 6:11:46 PM judith-- 2817. Andonly - 1/9/2002 11:29:46 PM Sigh. In AOHell's preferences menu there are no printer settings having anything to do with internet connections, as far as I can see. 2818. AytchMan - 1/12/2002 6:13:15 PM andonly-- 2819. AytchMan - 1/12/2002 7:12:34 PM For any strategy gamers hereabouts, I'd like to recommend both Europa Universalis (300 years of European diplomacy and war) and Championship Manager (manage a footie club). 2820. RustlerPike - 1/14/2002 11:05:31 PM Seriously - can someone help me contact NamesDirect? They don't answer e-mails and there's no phone number listed either. 2821. RustlerPike - 1/14/2002 11:14:31 PM They're obviously swamped with millions of e-mails. They offered domains at half price. 2822. RustlerPike - 1/14/2002 11:15:37 PM Can you tell me more about Europa Universalis, H? 2823. AytchMan - 1/16/2002 1:03:56 AM rp-- 2824. RustlerPike - 1/18/2002 2:28:46 PM I want it. 2825. Wombat - 1/18/2002 3:25:40 PM As a Civilization addict, I can only say, WOW! What are EU II's system requirements? 2826. AytchMan - 1/18/2002 4:51:39 PM wombat-- 2827. RustlerPike - 1/19/2002 4:23:53 AM But H: are there cool battles with lots of different units or is it all somehow mathematical? I looked at the screen shots and I don't see any action battles. 2828. AytchMan - 1/19/2002 6:44:17 AM No, there isn't any action to the battles. They're nothing like Shogun if you're familiar with that. 2829. Julius Caesar - 1/19/2002 12:46:57 PM Cellar 2830. jayackroyd - 1/21/2002 9:49:37 AM We are doing some upgrading and rearrangement this morning. There may be brief outages. 2831. jayackroyd - 1/21/2002 10:47:22 AM There should be no more interruptions. 2832. judithathome - 1/21/2002 10:54:05 AM Well, do you think there will be more of this linking to nothing? I'm having a hard time getting threads to load... 2833. Ms. No - 1/21/2002 11:36:26 AM Jude, 2834. judithathome - 1/21/2002 11:39:23 AM No, it seems to have cleared up now...but when I first logged on, it was a pain. 2835. arkymalarky - 1/21/2002 7:41:37 PM Thanks Jay. 2836. Andonly - 1/30/2002 5:25:00 PM I'm looking to buy an inexpensive scanner for putting together photographic brochures which would include some black and white non-photographic artwork. Any suggestions? 2837. CalGal - 1/30/2002 5:29:13 PM I've been happy with the UMAX my dad bought me last year. It's under $100. The interface isn't great for scanning a lot of documents in a hurry, but then I'm not sure any of them are better. 2838. jayackroyd - 1/30/2002 5:29:46 PM When I shopped there were plenty of cheap alternatives. I bought a Canon NB700. It works. 2839. concerned - 1/30/2002 6:12:29 PM Re. 2837 - 2840. concerned - 1/30/2002 6:15:18 PM It's a semipro Adara which is a rebranded Microtek that sells for about 20% less (I already have Photoshop so don't need the premium Lite version included in the otherwise identical Microtek scanner version.) 2841. concerned - 1/30/2002 6:18:57 PM When I was looking, Microtek scanners had among the best color and brightness balances in their classes. Don't know if that's necessarily still true. 2842. Al D - 1/30/2002 6:25:40 PM Damn, CalGal, and here I was about to pump your brain about my Umax Astra 2000P, which I know nothing about. Of course, I guess I could read the directions. 2843. CalGal - 1/30/2002 6:27:51 PM What do you need to know? The directions aren't all that useful. I'm not sure what model I have, though. 2844. concerned - 1/30/2002 6:35:35 PM Re. 2817 - 2845. Andonly - 1/30/2002 7:01:47 PM Fuck if I know. We use it because AOL's connection seems to be more stable than Earthlink, whose techs kept resorting to telling me I was getting bumped offline fifteen times a day because of phone line noise. 2846. arkymalarky - 1/30/2002 8:34:03 PM Dumb question, but we use a local ISP. Is that not a good alternative to AOL or Earthlink for people, or do those companies operate through local ISPs? 2847. bubbaette - 1/30/2002 8:38:19 PM Andonly 2848. tonedef - 1/31/2002 2:10:57 AM I'd just like to say, hello, and I am deliriously happy to be here. I wasted some of the best hours of my life four or five years ago, on The Fray -discussing the fine points of twelve tone noise with Mondaugen and JJ, debating biblical literalism with VicKuligin and marshame, and rehashing the OJ trial with Cigarlaw - and now I find the Fray has survived! I'm not just happy, I'm ecstatic. 2849. rubberducky - 1/31/2002 9:16:21 AM hi and welcome back! 2850. tonedef - 1/31/2002 11:40:54 AM I was tonysa in the Fray. 2851. Ms. No - 1/31/2002 1:14:17 PM Hiya tondef, 2852. Julius Caesar - 1/31/2002 2:04:37 PM 2853. rubberducky - 1/31/2002 2:06:54 PM LOL 2854. theDiva - 1/31/2002 3:46:30 PM that is funny as all hell. 2855. PelleNilsson - 1/31/2002 4:21:10 PM It is. It might even be Ace. 2856. Andonly - 2/1/2002 2:21:43 PM Achtung! Test Subjects Needed 2857. Ms. No - 2/1/2002 3:08:46 PM Oh my gawd that's hysterical, Jules! 2858. judithathome - 2/3/2002 1:34:58 PM Does anyone know how Voltaire chaose that name for himself? 2859. judithathome - 2/3/2002 1:35:27 PM ..chose... 2860. judithathome - 2/3/2002 2:00:45 PM His proper name was Francois Marie Arouet. The word Voltaire is simply an anagram of Arouet L. I. (le jeune). 2861. theDiva - 2/5/2002 11:01:16 AM I am damned sick and tired of mollycoddling these whining sobsisters. I swear, from now on my motto is Kick Ass and Take Names. Put up or shut up. Do your job or retire. 2862. AytchMan - 2/5/2002 7:59:45 PM Belated answer to arky-- 2863. AytchMan - 2/5/2002 8:07:23 PM For dial-up users who think their connections are getting slower: they are, sort of. 2864. CalGal - 2/5/2002 8:09:09 PM Wow. I have in fact been noticing that, although I think I am also having problems with either my PC or my provider. 2865. arkymalarky - 2/5/2002 8:17:58 PM Thanks H. I wondered why they didn't seem to be used much by people here. I live near a university town so we have several local ISPs. I know the man who owns mine and it's pretty dependable, and he's been in business for several years. I don't have a contract with him and the price and service are good. He serves a wide area around the town, as well. 2866. Andonly - 2/11/2002 3:55:02 PM Notice to Participants in Berbere Spice Trial: Check your email. Your mix is on the way. 2867. jayackroyd - 2/11/2002 5:50:25 PM Michael Kinsley is resigning from Slate: 2868. judithathome - 2/11/2002 5:53:06 PM That's too bad...I wonder if it is health related? I mean, if he is worse? 2869. CalGal - 2/11/2002 5:53:45 PM Wow, I hope this doesn't mean his health is that much worse. He has looked bad for a long time, though. 2870. judithathome - 2/11/2002 5:55:31 PM Maybe he just wants to enjoy life without the extra hassles now... 2871. CalGal - 2/11/2002 5:56:57 PM I can't believe he thinks of his work as a "hassle". 2872. judithathome - 2/11/2002 6:06:56 PM Maybe he doesn't; that's not exactly what I meant. I meant maybe he'd like a less stressful life at present. 2873. concerned - 2/11/2002 6:10:52 PM I have a question for anybody who uses yahoo mail. 2874. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 2/11/2002 11:15:07 PM Yours truly opens each missive and then cuts and pastes it into my word processor. Then I print off a hard copy and file it in my large gray filing cabinet. 2875. concerned - 2/13/2002 12:31:50 AM Nothing less is worthy of your orotund declamations; however, my squalid and venal missives will, at best, be squirreled away in some dank corner of my hard drive, probably to be ultimately discarded entirely. 2876. AytchMan - 2/13/2002 5:33:30 PM Europa Universalis Alert (rp, wombat, anybody else)-- 2877. AytchMan - 2/15/2050 5:55:30 PM cellar-- 2878. Ms. No - 2/19/2002 2:06:32 PM Wonder what happens if I post in these threads that currently have the weird year. 2879. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/19/2002 5:44:28 PM Can anyone recommend a hotel or B&B in the Bloomsbury area of London --as close to The British Musem as possible -- like Gower Street? 2880. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/20/2002 1:22:54 PM [Nevermind!!!] 2881. AytchMan - 2/20/2002 6:10:37 PM The Mystery Theater opening is scheduled for this Friday at noon central. 2882. jayackroyd - 2/21/2002 9:26:43 AM wabbit, 2883. judithathome - 2/21/2002 10:48:22 AM I got those, too...is this really from Wabbit? Because at the bottom it said "elmo warren"... 2884. theDiva - 2/21/2002 11:00:22 AM elmo warren is another moniker wabbit used back in the old days. 2885. judithathome - 2/21/2002 11:18:06 AM Okay...then I guess I don't have her new address because I deleted the 8 letters in my mailbox this morning. I'm very jumpy about fake e-mail these days... 2886. theDiva - 2/21/2002 11:28:54 AM ooooo-kaaaaayyyy....now I got three from Ms. No. Screwy. Maybe something is up after all. Shoot. 2887. PelleNilsson - 2/21/2002 11:56:52 AM I got multitude of identical messages from wabbit and Ms No. Looks like a virus. 2888. judithathome - 2/21/2002 11:59:14 AM If it is, I hope it's okay to just delete it because that's what I did.... 2889. theDiva - 2/21/2002 12:00:23 PM Boy, am I ever glad I didn't follow that hyperlink. 2890. judithathome - 2/21/2002 12:09:11 PM I empty it each time I delete something...started doing that months ago, after the last virus alert. 2891. theDiva - 2/21/2002 12:11:15 PM I'm going to see whether I can find something on this. 2892. wabbit - 2/21/2002 12:14:46 PM Hi folks, 2893. theDiva - 2/21/2002 12:15:01 PM 2894. theDiva - 2/21/2002 12:15:23 PM WABBIT!!!!!!!!!! 2895. judithathome - 2/21/2002 12:27:08 PM Wabbit: 2896. wabbit - 2/21/2002 12:37:49 PM Well, I'm not in a coma, so that's good. I haven't been able to work since October, for a while I couldn't walk, and now that I can walk I have severe vertigo. The vertigo will either go away in a few weeks or I'll lose my hearing. Ain't life grand? I'm hoping to be able to spend more time here someday in the not-too-distant future. I do try to check in when I'm able to be vertical, so I'm not too far out of the Mote loop. Sounds like you had a fun weekend! 2897. CalGal - 2/21/2002 12:46:04 PM I'm sorry you're having a tough time, wabbit. Did your company have long term disability? 2898. wabbit - 2/21/2002 12:48:48 PM Ah, the joys of contracting... 2899. judithathome - 2/21/2002 12:53:04 PM Gosh, that sounds like a rough time you're having...are you taking much medication for the problems? Maybe that is causing side effects... 2900. theDiva - 2/21/2002 12:53:55 PM Good God, wabbit. (((hugs))) 2901. CalGal - 2/21/2002 12:54:09 PM Oh, lord. I don't know why, but I thought you were employed at this last place. I'm sorry. 2902. Absensia - 2/21/2002 1:16:44 PM Wabbit...I am so sorry. It is such a bummer to have all those things and it doesn't help the temperment either. I hope you are better soon! 2903. wabbit - 2/21/2002 1:28:52 PM Oh, hell, I'm a pharmacological experiment! Luckily, I seem to respond well to most medications and I'm not allergic to anything that we've found so far. The vertigo doesn't seem to be drug induced, but may be a byproduct of going off prednisone after too many years of high dose use. By the way, for those among us with various autoimmune conditions, I highly recommend giving Enbrel a shot (literally) if it is a drug that might be useful for you, it has done wonders for me. 2904. Ms. No - 2/21/2002 1:33:32 PM Good to see you Wabbit! Yeah, I already went to the site when I got the first email and didn't notice all the subsequent spam filling up my inbox while I registered at boxfrog. 2905. robertjayb - 2/21/2002 2:09:15 PM Hey, wabbit. 2906. rubberducky - 2/21/2002 2:16:26 PM wabbit: best wishes, but it is good to see ya here again. 2907. PelleNilsson - 2/21/2002 2:19:46 PM wabbit 2908. arkymalarky - 2/21/2002 2:52:49 PM Well crap. I see I should have read in here first. I sent a response to the email address, Wabbit. I hope that was OK. 2909. Ms. No - 2/21/2002 4:12:22 PM Ducky, 2910. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/24/2002 12:35:01 PM wabbit- I stopped in here to ask Marjori Banks a question and stumbled upon your post above-- which, incidentally was not even close to a whine. I had no idea you were in such cosmic yogurt. 2911. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/24/2002 12:39:48 PM Marj- We're booked in the Fitzroy, so thanks again. 2912. sakonige - 2/24/2002 12:59:04 PM wabbit, what happened to you? I'm so sorry to hear you are not feeling well. 2913. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 1:03:36 PM Wabbit, best wishes and hope you're doing better soon. 2914. sakonige - 2/24/2002 1:23:05 PM 2915. sakonige - 2/24/2002 1:28:22 PM 2916. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 1:32:11 PM Oh darling! So *that* is why you were telling me to get my tachycardia monitored. I couldn't work out why you were suddenly so concerned with it. 2917. sakonige - 2/24/2002 1:57:29 PM 2918. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 2:05:25 PM Oh Sak, how horrible! At least you are managing the problem now with medication. 2919. sakonige - 2/24/2002 2:18:37 PM SMOICH!! 2920. dusty - 2/24/2002 2:19:56 PM wabbit 2921. PelleNilsson - 2/24/2002 3:22:08 PM sakonige 2922. wonkers2 - 2/24/2002 3:27:14 PM Ditto to wabbit and sakonige. We don't realize how precious our health is until something bad happens. 2923. PelleNilsson - 2/24/2002 3:48:42 PM The item ".eec8c71" does not exist, it may have been deleted. 2924. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 3:57:53 PM Pelle, yes. I know. 2925. judithathome - 2/24/2002 3:59:53 PM I get "there are no new messages/your forums" page and then, when I go to "your forums", it says I'm in guest mode. When I attempt to log in, it won't recognize my name and password, which I know I've entered correctly. 2926. judithathome - 2/24/2002 4:02:01 PM Can't register as a new member, either/ 2927. Snowowl - 2/24/2002 4:02:43 PM All I get is a message that World Crossing is currently down for service. 2928. judithathome - 2/24/2002 4:04:53 PM It seems to be all things to all people when it's down, huh? 2929. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 4:18:25 PM Including my academic death certificate :) 2930. judithathome - 2/24/2002 4:24:07 PM :-( 2931. judithathome - 2/24/2002 4:25:31 PM Or: 2932. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 4:30:42 PM More a rueful forwn, no? :) 2933. PelleNilsson - 2/24/2002 4:35:31 PM Cheer up khaval. The data base itself is seldom corrupted in these incidents. 2934. CalGal - 2/24/2002 4:35:35 PM Khaval, you didn't back it up? I'm not trying to make you feel worse, but if it does come back up get a copy of it right away, and realize that WC is a free--repeat, free--forum. They could have deleted your entire thread or arbitrarily decided to delete all posts over 2000 in large threads and there would have been nothing you can do about it. 2935. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 4:47:09 PM Hey Cal Gal. 2936. PelleNilsson - 2/24/2002 4:55:41 PM khaval 2937. khaval alazman - 2/24/2002 5:07:25 PM Pelle, it's due sometime this semester. 2938. profemeritus - 2/24/2002 5:42:06 PM wabbit 2939. arkymalarky - 2/24/2002 6:04:21 PM My goodness, Sak! I'm glad to hear your medicine seems to be working (albeit with annoying side effects). I hope it's a permanent fix for your problem. 2940. sakonige - 2/24/2002 7:06:06 PM profemeritus - 2941. khaval alazman - 2/25/2002 8:51:08 AM SPECIAL AND IMPORTANT NOTICE 2942. theDiva - 2/25/2002 8:56:01 AM aw khavoosh 2943. khaval alazman - 2/25/2002 8:57:20 AM *purring and feeling a leetle better* 2944. stostosto - 2/25/2002 8:58:09 AM Procrastination to me is a spectator sport. 2945. stostosto - 2/25/2002 8:58:12 AM Procrastination to me is a spectator sport. 2946. stostosto - 2/25/2002 8:59:00 AM Two in one three seconds apart - that's odd. 2947. khaval alazman - 2/25/2002 9:01:28 AM Sto, LOL! 2948. khaval alazman - 2/25/2002 3:53:10 PM RI is back and working fine! 2949. Jenerator - 2/25/2002 4:05:24 PM Khaval, 2952. alistairConnor - 2/26/2002 3:47:17 AM Yeah, I suppose the Mote itself is too microcosmic to be a suitable subject for study. Snif. 2953. rubberducky - 2/26/2002 8:56:17 AM i dunno, there's a good case for a paper on a stalker to a whole forum... 2954. Andonly - 2/26/2002 4:54:56 PM What the hell...how many people at the Mote have heartbeat irregularities or autoimmune disorders? 2955. Andonly - 2/26/2002 4:57:42 PM (Sorry about the health probs Wabbit. Went through some weird mystery disease myself last year, with characteristics of mysositis. Sheer terror...) 2956. rubberducky - 2/27/2002 9:19:39 AM i, as my mother does, have an irregular heartbeat. it's not bad, but i do regulate it with medication as i also have hypertension. 2957. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/27/2002 9:33:36 AM FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH Dept: I had PVC's at one time (for about seven years), but it cleared up on it's own without medication. The prescribed meds (Indoral) didn't help. 2958. PelleNilsson - 2/27/2002 1:33:08 PM Through a delicate and potentially explosive combination of intrigue and subterfuge I have now appropriated a new box. Fortunately I managed to upload the whole shambuckle (3.5 GB) to our server farm before the old one finally gave up. I'm now trying to piece things together again. The pirated software (Photoshop and AutoCad) will be troublesome, I guess. 2959. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/27/2002 1:42:18 PM it's=its!!!!! 2960. Andonly - 2/27/2002 1:42:23 PM Duck, Whimsey, 2961. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/27/2002 1:42:26 PM it's=its!!!!! 2962. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/27/2002 1:43:04 PM Inderil???? 2963. Andonly - 2/27/2002 1:44:33 PM Is that a blood pressure medication or an antidepressant? 2964. PelleNilsson - 2/27/2002 2:52:20 PM Looks like Worldcrossing is down again. 2965. PelleNilsson - 2/27/2002 2:52:35 PM Looks like Worldcrossing is down again. 2966. PelleNilsson - 2/27/2002 2:53:05 PM And again. 2967. thoughtful - 2/27/2002 2:58:32 PM that's inderal and i have an autoimmune disorder FWIW: graves' disease 2968. thoughtful - 2/27/2002 2:58:57 PM inderal great stuff for stage fright 2969. Andonly - 2/27/2002 4:36:48 PM thoughtful, 2970. khaval alazman - 2/28/2002 9:13:19 PM Hoo boy! I just read your post 2949 properly, Jenerator. 2971. arkymalarky - 3/1/2002 6:33:05 AM Khaval, 2972. rubberducky - 3/6/2002 1:55:09 PM i ask any lawyer types to please read and respond to questions starting in Message # 4472 in thread 38 2973. judithathome - 3/9/2002 10:03:51 AM Pelle: 2974. Property of Jesus - 3/9/2002 10:08:11 AM ...they can't get in because they don't belong. 2975. judithathome - 3/9/2002 10:14:04 AM You seem to make it in, though... 2976. Property of Jesus - 3/9/2002 10:19:39 AM I'm born again. 2977. PelleNilsson - 3/9/2002 12:30:51 PM Judith 2978. judithathome - 3/9/2002 12:34:56 PM Hosting Notices 2979. Absensia - 3/9/2002 1:05:55 PM "A dog called Klaus" 2980. judithathome - 3/9/2002 1:12:29 PM No, but he speaks German. 2981. jayackroyd - 3/9/2002 1:37:46 PM khaval: 2982. PelleNilsson - 3/9/2002 2:00:43 PM I created a new identity for test purposes. When I try to login I get "password invalid". I use copy and paste from the e-mail. 2983. Property of Jesus - 3/9/2002 3:16:08 PM The curse of JontheCad... 2984. PelleNilsson - 3/9/2002 4:25:38 PM You seem not to remember that JontheCad himself made a brief appearance ten days ago under a new handle. 2985. Property of Jesus - 3/9/2002 6:51:34 PM I forget nothing. 2986. wonkers2 - 3/9/2002 7:49:45 PM Now, that was chutzpah! And irony! And very funny! 2987. jayackroyd - 3/12/2002 1:25:14 PM 2988. Wombat - 3/12/2002 1:31:22 PM PoJ: 2989. Property of Jesus - 3/12/2002 2:45:28 PM No, he was offed by Ms. No, the same moderator cop who hurt the feelings of AceofSpades. 2990. Wombat - 3/12/2002 2:51:28 PM Hurt Ace's feelings??? oooo, poor widdle Acey. You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you in the ass. 2991. LohrM - 3/16/2002 3:02:40 PM A Query... I hope someone can recommend books and supply sources for learning Japanese ink painting... 2992. robertjayb - 3/16/2002 3:27:27 PM Amazing tugboat photos, jay. The seldom seen under-the-bridge-sideways maneuver! Or did it go bottom-up? 2993. arkymalarky - 3/19/2002 9:12:21 PM Thanks to Julius and Betty for the very entertaining threads and the effort they've put into them. I laughed a bunch this afternoon. 2994. Absensia - 3/19/2002 10:12:44 PM Yes,Betty, I have laughed and laughed...great idea you had! Juls, just haven't read your yet, but I am sure they are very amuzing. 2995. PincherMartin - 3/21/2002 8:52:33 AM I need an update on my bet with Indy. I believe he accepted it November 22nd, 2001, but I'm not sure that's the correct date. (The reason that date sticks in my mind is that it was the anniversary of JFK's assassination.) Could either Indy or Niner verify that is the date our one-year countdown began? 2996. Indiana Jones - 3/21/2002 8:55:06 AM PM: I know it was toward the end of November, but we can look up the exact date if it becomes significant. 2997. judithathome - 3/21/2002 8:57:17 AM I can't even remember the bet much less the date...what was it? (Not that it's any of my business but, being dead, at least I won't tell.) 2998. Indiana Jones - 3/21/2002 8:59:46 AM PM deposited $300 with Francis Urquhart, and I deposited $100. If Saddam is out of power before the one-year anniversary of the bet, I receive the money. Otherwise, PM receives it. 2999. betty - 3/21/2002 9:03:19 AM arky and abs, 3000. PincherMartin - 3/21/2002 9:08:11 AM Indy -- 3001. judithathome - 3/21/2002 9:11:42 AM Thanks...I recalled the money and who was holding it but forgot the actual bet.;-) 3002. theDiva - 3/21/2002 9:37:06 AM Will someone please post an entry to the novel? I hate seeing my name just hang there. 3003. Indiana Jones - 3/21/2002 9:40:48 AM I would, Diva, but I feel like I'm dominating the story as it is. 3004. theDiva - 3/21/2002 9:48:26 AM oh, pshaw. 3005. betty - 3/21/2002 9:49:56 AM Indy, 3006. arkymalarky - 3/21/2002 6:22:23 PM Thanks Betty, but it's hard to get in the flow after work. End of the term saps my creative juices. If it's still going when I get some time to think I may pop in a line or two--unless an inspirational idea springs up before then. 3007. theDiva - 3/22/2002 7:56:01 AM Youse are cracking me up with this latest. What a way to start the day! 3008. PelleNilsson - 3/22/2002 11:07:13 AM Agreed. I've read through #107 and it's damned good. One starts to wonder about zojaq ... 3009. theDiva - 3/22/2002 11:13:24 AM The boy got the gift. I may be in love. 3010. Indiana Jones - 3/22/2002 11:20:39 AM I have to protest zojak's penchant for killing off characters. Father Don Jexster was meant to be a major production, and he's bit the dust after one line delivered in a Sergeant Schultz accent, when everyone knowns Father Don was likely an Italian. 3011. theDiva - 3/22/2002 11:22:08 AM wow. Just read that one. Er, maybe not. 3012. arkymalarky - 3/22/2002 5:31:27 PM Oh boy, I can see the future of this novel... 3013. betty - 3/22/2002 5:56:30 PM Indy, 3014. theDiva - 3/25/2002 8:36:01 AM Man, at least you aren't a hoochie stewardess/Mile High Club veteran. Damn. I need to rework my image. 3015. bubbaette - 3/25/2002 9:10:39 AM You know that all the mens round here fantasize about you. What you need is a makeover. I can lend you one of my vinyl muu muus, a pair of gellies, and my second-best hair net. 3016. betty - 3/25/2002 9:14:44 AM hey Indy, you do know that Crowley wasn't a Satanist and he wasn't French, right? 3017. theDiva - 3/25/2002 9:18:31 AM Bubb 3018. Indiana Jones - 3/25/2002 9:21:15 AM The Frenchie is our Alistair, betty. Or at least he lives in France. I forget whether he's actually of French extraction. 3019. Indiana Jones - 3/25/2002 9:45:56 AM Oops...the first names aren't spelled the same either: Aleister versus Alistair. 3020. rubberducky - 3/25/2002 11:14:49 AM sorry, deev. i meant no disrespect. you just have a sexy 'online presence', i suppose. 3021. theDiva - 3/25/2002 11:28:39 AM oh, it's okay, ducky. No apology necessary, I was just goofin. 3022. zojak quafeth - 3/25/2002 11:29:26 AM OK, Indy. I'll stop killing people for now. I had seen Sexy Beast the night before. I was trying to see as many of the nominees as I could. Maybe it inspired me. Ooh. Bad news. My wife just called. She rented Training Day. I'm guessing someone's gonna have to go tomorrow. 3023. alistairConnor - 3/25/2002 12:18:54 PM Betty, I'm really deeply sorry about Ivan. 3024. betty - 3/25/2002 1:18:01 PM aC, 3025. betty - 3/25/2002 1:20:43 PM As for the quote from the Skullfuckers it has more to do with a no longer existing form of Masonry...Rites of Memphis and Mezriam... 3026. zojak quafeth - 3/25/2002 1:34:07 PM OK, Indy. You got your priest back. And he's I-talian now too. :) 3027. alistairConnor - 3/25/2002 2:32:25 PM Hey, we've got a whole plane load of passengers. How about some sub-plots? Vignettes? Cameos? 3028. theDiva - 3/25/2002 2:33:41 PM and could I please be an undercover spy or something? 3029. theDiva - 3/25/2002 2:34:01 PM and where the heck is Bubba, anyway? 3030. betty - 3/25/2002 2:41:17 PM Ok, I'm about to get to work on some writing, vinegarettes and all. 3031. joezan - 3/25/2002 7:56:27 PM Anybody else get an email recently from the Stephanus-Janssen people explaining a little bit more about the purpose of that memory test that was posted in the Mote a couple of months ago, and inviting you to retake it? 3032. CalGal - 3/25/2002 8:09:00 PM I did. 3033. joezan - 3/25/2002 8:14:56 PM Dammit! 3034. joezan - 3/25/2002 8:17:32 PM ...anyway - did that test seem legit to you? Seems I remember having gotten a higher score than someone else, even though we answered the same number correctly. 3035. Indiana Jones - 3/25/2002 8:21:21 PM betty: If I remember correctly, A-5 was arguing your side (that Crowley wasn't a Satanist) and Jen was arguing that he was. 3036. joezan - 3/25/2002 8:29:30 PM A-5 posts a lot (or did, last I checked) in RI. 3037. Indiana Jones - 3/25/2002 8:56:52 PM Yes, I think he was posting under American Vampire, wasn't he? 3038. arkymalarky - 3/25/2002 10:18:37 PM Man Joe, you sure stopped the bleeding fast. 3039. joezan - 3/25/2002 10:34:40 PM It's still bleeding, matter of fact. 3040. betty - 3/25/2002 10:37:50 PM good god man, don't you have any ice? 3041. arkymalarky - 3/25/2002 10:39:47 PM Forget ice. Get a dadgummed needle and thread. 3042. betty - 3/25/2002 10:42:10 PM the ice will help it clot...i suspect the needle and thread, left in joe's hands, would just lead to more blood. 3043. arkymalarky - 3/25/2002 10:45:00 PM I was joking, Betty. 3044. betty - 3/25/2002 10:47:47 PM now see what you've done...he'll probably bleed to death in front of his computer screen trying to carefully follow your instructions. 3045. arkymalarky - 3/25/2002 10:52:30 PM Oh man. 3046. bubbaette - 3/26/2002 8:08:03 AM Good thing you didn't say "bite your tongue", then. Besides, the boy could do with a tongue docking. 3047. AytchMan - 3/26/2002 4:54:07 PM For anybody who needs a good suite of utility software, CompUSA is selling Norton SystemWorks for free (after rebate). 3048. CalGal - 3/26/2002 4:56:24 PM Really? I never remember rebates, though. 3049. AytchMan - 3/26/2002 4:59:30 PM Use the system monitor and the resource meter. I think they're located under Programs/Accessories/System Tools. 3050. AytchMan - 3/26/2002 5:00:37 PM You might also get a copy of RamIdle. It'll free up system memory when it gets too low. 3051. CalGal - 3/26/2002 5:02:39 PM I tried the resource meter but it didn't seem to help. I can't remember my specific question, but I'll post it if I find it again. I am on Win98, btw. 3052. AytchMan - 3/26/2002 5:09:31 PM There'll be another tool you can use in about two months: your car. When prices drop a little further, go buy some more memory. Prices are high right now but they're falling. 3053. CalGal - 3/26/2002 5:11:27 PM I have a lot of memory, though. I added 256MG and that was on top of either 64 or 96. I think there's just something wrong with this laptop. I paid for maintenance; I should just get it in and have them rip it apart. 3054. AytchMan - 3/26/2002 5:14:53 PM If you have at least 256MB, you shouldn't be having probs unless you're running four apps and five browser windows. 3055. CalGal - 3/26/2002 5:18:47 PM I'm still wondering if something is wrong with the modem, or the communications area. I am now using an external modem because the internal one kept disconnecting and then finally refused to work. That solved the disconnecting problem but I've been noticing the memory problem now. 3056. AytchMan - 4/2/2002 5:48:49 PM Anybody considering buying an HDTV set-- 3057. judithathome - 4/2/2002 5:50:05 PM I'd hate to shell out 5 large for a TV, period. 3058. AytchMan - 4/2/2002 5:51:33 PM j-- 3059. AytchMan - 4/2/2002 5:53:00 PM Actually, prices for big HDTV sets have dropped to about two grand, I think. 3060. judithathome - 4/2/2002 5:54:26 PM Ms TV Thread, indeed! 3061. AytchMan - 4/2/2002 6:11:54 PM Another "service" from the friendly 1200-pound marketing gorillas at MS: 3062. CalGal - 4/2/2002 6:24:57 PM New search engine on the block. 3063. Erinys - 4/4/2002 1:52:16 AM I like google too, but that's cool. 3064. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2002 8:31:53 AM I received an email that might have been intended for the Gatekeeper. magoseph is going to be returning to the Mote/Fray after a long absence and hopes to be welcomed with open arms. 3065. AytchMan - 4/10/2002 2:15:47 PM I'm expecting a wooly story of adventure, romance, deceit and storm-door installation after all this time. 3066. PelleNilsson - 4/10/2002 2:19:08 PM I don't recall magoseph. I wonder why not? 3067. CalGal - 4/10/2002 2:19:16 PM I don't remember magoseph. 3068. rubberducky - 4/10/2002 2:27:54 PM me either, so consider my arms open 3069. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2002 4:00:26 PM I sort of thought I remembered the name, and I definitely remember the other stuff in the email. 3070. judithathome - 4/10/2002 4:02:44 PM We should just pretend it is a new person...we get so few of those. 3071. magoseph - 4/10/2002 4:24:22 PM Judith, you do remember me, of course you do, dear. 3072. arkymalarky - 4/10/2002 8:48:30 PM Kisses to magoseph. 3073. judithathome - 4/11/2002 8:27:10 AM Okay, the neighbor brought over a disc with Windows ME on it...Keoni wanted me to ask if anyone has recommendations on whether he should upgrade from Windows 98 to this ME thing or not? Is anyone using it and if so, how do you like it? 3074. magoseph - 4/11/2002 9:13:55 AM Thanks, Arky. 3075. judithathome - 4/11/2002 9:18:35 AM Well, I never get a blue screen so I wonder if I need that feature...I like W98 just fine and unless this ME thing is a whole lot better, can't see the need for an "upgrade". I mean, I don't have problems at all and have been reading on different sites, after a google search, that problems have occured after using this upgrade. 3076. judithathome - 4/11/2002 9:23:24 AM Also, did you upgrade or was the ME installed in the computer when you purchased it? 3077. magoseph - 4/11/2002 10:27:31 AM ME came with the computer. I only get the blue screen when I install a new program, otherwise I have no problems with ME. Knowing my propensity to try out new programs, the GoBack feature is an added reassurance that I won't screw up windows. 3078. judithathome - 4/11/2002 10:29:57 AM From what I'm reading, the problems being mentioned come with trying to upgrade rather than from ME already being installed in the computer. 3079. Indiana Jones - 4/11/2002 1:54:24 PM betty: At one point you mentioned the Mote novel was 20 percent done. How long do you intend for it to be in terms of posts? 3080. PelleNilsson - 4/11/2002 3:05:18 PM Indiana 3081. Indiana Jones - 4/11/2002 3:10:16 PM Thanks, Pelle. But if betty is intending for it to be much longer than it is, somebody else is going to have to jump in, too. 3082. AytchMan - 4/11/2002 4:06:09 PM j-- 3083. judithathome - 4/11/2002 4:08:34 PM Thanks, I'll have Keoni read this tonight! You and Megoseph have been a great help... 3084. AytchMan - 4/11/2002 4:11:47 PM btw, my upgrade from Win95 to ME was almost problem-free...and a first. All previous upgrades had ranged somewhere between a few hours in a Turkish prison and root canal. 3085. betty - 4/11/2002 4:26:11 PM Indy, 3086. Indiana Jones - 4/12/2002 9:28:33 AM betty: Of course contributing to it is fun, but as much as I basically try to be a show off, I like stirring other people up more than just doing it myself. (I'd never take on what Caesar is attempting.) 3087. betty - 4/12/2002 9:36:21 AM hehehe! 3088. Indiana Jones - 4/12/2002 9:59:03 AM No, not at all. But these contributions came post my original question. And I knew you were contributing right along. 3089. betty - 4/12/2002 10:00:52 AM ivan is working on finishing up the semester. 3090. zojak quafeth - 4/15/2002 11:49:37 AM Where's blood-thirsty zojak? 3091. AytchMan - 4/15/2002 8:53:20 PM Stupid questions from a tekkie who, in some areas, relentlessly clings to the 1940's: 3092. CalGal - 4/15/2002 9:02:10 PM 3093. AytchMan - 4/15/2002 9:09:56 PM So one has to go through an operator? How can they be that cheap? I've seen rates of about 2 cents/minute. 3094. CalGal - 4/15/2002 9:14:27 PM You go through the 800 number on the card, I think. Dial the number you want, and dial the number of the card. 3095. AytchMan - 4/15/2002 9:19:06 PM Ah. Thanks, Slim. 3096. arkymalarky - 4/15/2002 9:48:14 PM The really cheap rate ones are sometimes scams. Be careful when you buy them. Mose almost bought one that had some deal with a bunch of minutes but there was such a short space of time to use them it was impossible, or some weird fine print detail. I can't remember specifically what now. 3097. arkymalarky - 4/15/2002 9:50:49 PM The reason Mose wanted hers, btw, is because we were on vacation and she and her b/f were each going to buy one so they could yack endlessly and she could whine about how she wished they were yacking in the brief time we were actually trying to vacation. 3098. theDiva - 4/17/2002 9:29:17 AM when, oh when, will Julio post his next installment! It's been days! 3099. betty - 4/17/2002 9:41:02 AM Aytch, 3100. PelleNilsson - 4/17/2002 11:07:46 AM Didn't Julio "guarantee ten posts a week"? Yes he did. Maybe it's time to take out the R.I.P. stamp. 3101. Julius Caesar - 4/17/2002 11:11:56 AM Clam it, you feeble Nordic shitbag. One quality post of Smack is worth 100 of your Isn't it fascinating what I read in the blah blah blah blah blah posts. 3102. theDiva - 4/17/2002 11:14:00 AM Ace? 3103. rubberducky - 4/17/2002 11:15:25 AM notice how soon those new installments appeared... 3104. theDiva - 4/17/2002 11:23:57 AM geez, ducks. you just now figured this out about him? 3105. rubberducky - 4/17/2002 11:26:01 AM what can i say? i was dazzled by the coolly detached demeanor... 3106. theDiva - 4/17/2002 11:28:37 AM ...and the cute butt.... 3107. Frankster - 4/17/2002 11:33:23 AM Okay, I've got a query: 3108. theDiva - 4/17/2002 2:45:07 PM Pelle 3109. CalGal - 4/17/2002 2:46:49 PM It's France that is issuing the visa, right? 3110. PelleNilsson - 4/17/2002 3:04:32 PM Diva 3111. theDiva - 4/17/2002 3:09:16 PM Too late now. The cat is out of the bag. 3112. bubbaette - 4/17/2002 3:11:33 PM I got the wax pot steaming. 3113. theDiva - 4/17/2002 3:15:24 PM heh heh heh 3114. bubbaette - 4/17/2002 3:19:01 PM But where is the funnel man? I got the come-along and the acetylene torch for the permawedgie, too. 3115. betty - 4/17/2002 3:19:19 PM despite the fact that I feel dirty about it...that whole exchange was rather...exciting ;) 3116. theDiva - 4/17/2002 3:21:59 PM Betty 3117. bubbaette - 4/17/2002 3:23:21 PM Speaking of "exciting", I forgot the rebar and the soldering wire. I'll be right back. 3118. PelleNilsson - 4/17/2002 3:25:16 PM I shall not submit. 3119. betty - 4/17/2002 3:25:39 PM Oh my! You two better stop, I'm at work! 3120. theDiva - 4/17/2002 3:26:50 PM Submit, funnel-boy. You know you want it. 3121. bubbaette - 4/17/2002 3:33:43 PM Ok, I'm back with the rebar and soldering wire. And I also picked up a bag of quick drying cement and some room-temperature vulcanizing instant gasket seal. 3122. PelleNilsson - 4/17/2002 3:34:13 PM Yes. I'm not fighting you. I'm fighting myself. And now I'm going to bed in search of a few hours tormented sleep. 3123. theDiva - 4/17/2002 3:37:49 PM good night dear. Try not to lay on your back. 3124. bubbaette - 4/17/2002 3:38:13 PM Tormented is right, but I wouldn't count on much sleep -- right Diva? 3125. theDiva - 4/17/2002 3:49:21 PM heh heh heh 3126. Julius Caesar - 4/28/2002 2:30:26 PM It is time to retire Julius Caesar. 3127. rubberducky - 4/29/2002 8:49:39 AM is it the end of the year already? 3128. rubberducky - 4/29/2002 8:50:00 AM i mean, it seems like April to me 3129. rubberducky - 5/3/2002 9:01:20 AM 3130. ivan osokin - 5/3/2002 9:40:44 AM so how does anyone in this civilized world find a way to reconcile the innate sexual urges of the body with the eroto-comatose-lucidity which is spurred on by the stimulation of the cerebrum through apprehension of the hyperliminal? or, to put it another way, why would anyone read this ridiculous post? 3131. Indiana Jones - 5/3/2002 10:38:27 AM Good stuff in the Mote novel, ivan. 3132. Indiana Jones - 5/3/2002 10:41:01 AM As to 3130, pretty soon we'll all be lab rats with electric impulses fed continually to our brain's pleasure sensors. 3133. betty - 5/3/2002 1:26:07 PM Indy, 3134. HollyW - 5/3/2002 10:11:36 PM Either proposition sounds like Hell to me. 3135. ivan osokin - 5/3/2002 10:31:07 PM Dear Dr. Jones, or should i say, Dear "a colloquial term used in the 1950s by hoosier junkies as a code-name for their dealers" 3136. robertjayb - 5/7/2002 6:13:35 PM A nice choice, Julius... 3137. TabouliJones - 5/10/2002 1:29:08 PM Does anyone remember an article posted online about two years ago discussing how the business success of the Washington Post has more to do with dominance in its local market (Washington and the surrounding burbs) than its national prestige? 3138. CalGal - 5/10/2002 1:43:22 PM I remember a piece talking about the new editor or publisher or whatever and how he focused on that. 3139. Indiana Jones - 5/10/2002 2:22:21 PM I'm wanting to acquire a good Rita Hayworth poster. Most of those I've found on the Net are of the same four or five shots. If a poster or other buyable copy of this picture exists, I'd like to know about it. Any others would be appreciated, too, but I especially like that one. 3140. rubberducky - 5/10/2002 2:28:30 PM did you check allposters.com? i didn't see it, but there were some others. you tried Google, i assume. 3141. Indiana Jones - 5/10/2002 2:30:47 PM Yes, thanks, ducky. I've found one at allposters that I'm going to buy as a second choice. Probably more suitable for the office, anyway, but I really like the one I linked. 3142. rubberducky - 5/10/2002 2:32:54 PM thought about making your own? 3143. Indiana Jones - 5/10/2002 2:42:49 PM get a print from Kinko's 3144. rubberducky - 5/10/2002 2:50:05 PM Also, that site does a good job of protecting its images by having them served up through CGI rather than directly. 3145. Indiana Jones - 5/10/2002 3:18:53 PM ducky: Your mileage may vary, but when I right click and save, then open the image, it's not the image. 3146. rubberducky - 5/10/2002 3:21:50 PM okay 3147. Indiana Jones - 5/10/2002 3:23:08 PM Thanks. It did. 3148. rubberducky - 5/10/2002 3:24:26 PM you are welcome, but i meant the poster... 3149. Ms. No - 5/10/2002 3:24:29 PM Works for me, Indy. 3150. Ms. No - 5/10/2002 3:32:07 PM day late etc.... 3151. rubberducky - 5/10/2002 3:49:38 PM it's the thought that counts... 3152. Daniel Sickles - 5/18/2002 2:25:07 PM I'd like to test out interest in a short-term quiz show thread entitled "21". 3153. PelleNilsson - 5/18/2002 4:14:43 PM That's a nice idea, Daniel, although I won't be able to participate due to the time difference. Besides, I wouldn't stand a chance. I'm reminded of when we lived in Amman in the 80's. In the Swedish colony I was the undisputed master of Trivial Pursuit. One day I was challenged by a nine-year old Swedish-American kid to play the American version and I lost handsomely - and it was the children's edition. He's 25 now and loves to remind me of my humiliation every time we meet. 3154. PelleNilsson - 5/25/2002 6:12:59 AM I have redesigned my web site, now with frames! There is nothing new there except that I have incorporated the brief history of the Balkans that LohrM and I had going here for a while. 3155. ivan osokin - 5/25/2002 8:11:02 AM PelleN: 3156. DocBrown - 5/25/2002 9:15:52 AM Daniel, I like the idea and would be willing to participate. 3157. Daniel Sickles - 5/25/2002 2:11:24 PM Doc 3158. Max Macks - 5/27/2002 4:08:31 PM Is the Mote having problems with it's 3159. Daniel Sickles - 5/28/2002 12:49:47 PM We still need 3 more for "21" (see post 3152 above) 3160. theDiva - 5/28/2002 1:28:37 PM Oh, what the hey. Sign me up. I'll e-mail you, I don't have a public address anymore. I'll contribute 'Eva Cassidy Live At Blues Alley' as prize. 3161. Max Macks - 5/28/2002 1:28:59 PM working today? 3162. judithathome - 5/28/2002 2:14:12 PM Daniel, since I can't post in your thread: someone mentioned Frank might be iterested in your game....Frank is in Maui righ now. 3163. Daniel Sickles - 5/28/2002 2:28:07 PM When's he due back? 3164. theDiva - 5/28/2002 2:29:28 PM Maui! Wowee! 3165. judithathome - 5/28/2002 2:30:21 PM Due back in about a week... 3166. CalGal - 5/28/2002 2:33:02 PM Daniel, I can't post in the thread, even though it says I'm a participant. 3167. Daniel Sickles - 5/28/2002 2:39:59 PM Cal 3168. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 2:51:03 PM is there any Mote-r whose either read, attempted to read, or have otherwise devoted their spiritual efforts towards grokking "Finnegans Wake"? 3169. judithathome - 5/28/2002 2:53:16 PM What happened to my post about the Uncertainty Principle? Anyhow, can someone explain it in a couple of sentences? 3170. CalGal - 5/28/2002 2:56:18 PM Daniel, if you got on it, you fixed it. Thanks. 3171. judithathome - 5/28/2002 2:58:39 PM Ivan...I tried reading it a bit but all it did was encourage a severe aversion to ever reading more.... 3172. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 3:15:00 PM judithacasa: 3173. betty - 5/28/2002 3:17:20 PM judith, 3174. judithathome - 5/28/2002 3:20:33 PM Ivan, to me it was just a one night stand. 3175. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 3:28:15 PM judithadhominem: 3176. judithathome - 5/28/2002 3:40:37 PM Or a trick Irish brogan, since I have a bad knee. 3177. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 3:47:56 PM or a slick stylish brougham from oldsmobile to drive you places. 3178. judithathome - 5/28/2002 4:02:29 PM I love that you know about 23!! 3179. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 4:03:39 PM yes...captain clark welcomes you aboard. 23 skidoo and all that ;) 3180. judithathome - 5/28/2002 4:08:19 PM Don't forget Fellini...he worked it in, too. 3181. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 4:19:23 PM Yes Federico did. but y'know...now that the number's eccentricity has become somewhat common knowledge, purposely adding it to the organic, esoteric corpus actually works to the detriment of the coincidence. i mean, you can't plan coincidences and building on them for the larger public audience (via film, for instance) only leads to copycat usurpers. pretty soon, it's like the six degrees of kevin bacon game...all he has to do is make one film and he increases the connections exponentially...and the fun's all gone. 3182. judithathome - 5/28/2002 4:22:23 PM No, it's very much making sense. When 23 starts making commercials about it's own randomness, we can weep. 3183. betty - 5/28/2002 4:24:32 PM judith, 3184. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 4:25:00 PM Post 3181 and 3181 were listed at: 9:19:23pm and 9:22:23 pm respectively. did we just contribute to the madness? 3185. judithathome - 5/28/2002 4:33:26 PM OOoooOOOOooooooooOOOOOOO!! The time stamp weirdness! 3186. betty - 5/28/2002 4:41:59 PM that's a good name for a roommate! did he have a foil hat? 3187. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 4:48:37 PM and though betty is at work and i'm sitting here with the babe, we're watching the muppets in outer space...and as i read the above, gonzo appears in an aluminum foil hat. 3188. betty - 5/28/2002 4:56:55 PM all hail discordia! 3189. ivan osokin - 5/28/2002 7:40:34 PM Judithdomesticus: 3190. Max Macks - 5/28/2002 8:16:30 PM I'm really not sure Judith ! And neither are some of the quarks. 3191. judithathome - 5/28/2002 9:05:48 PM Very funny, Max! 3192. HollyW - 5/29/2002 10:42:38 PM Er, I think I'll play Twenty-One. If there's still a slot. 3193. AytchMan - 5/31/2002 4:16:05 PM Cosmic Rulers-- 3194. AytchMan - 5/31/2002 4:18:22 PM Should have posted that in Suggestions. 3195. Erinys - 5/31/2002 9:54:30 PM If one of my three toilets sometimes does not flush all solid waste, and sometimes only fills halfway, is that cause for concern? Is a shitpipe going to bust soon, should I call a plumber to snake it out, or what? 3196. CalGal - 5/31/2002 10:08:56 PM I'd have it checked out, yes. Is the toilet hardware feeling flimsy? 3197. ee - 6/1/2002 12:54:05 AM The problem is most likely not in your sewer line but in the comode itself. If there is no problem with any other of the drains then your slow down is probably in the comode. 3198. thoughtful - 6/1/2002 9:07:06 AM I've sent an e-mail to irv snodgrass and haven't gotten an answer...does anyone still keep in touch with him? I seem to also have no address for global crossing where he used to hang out. If someone keeps in touch with him, could you let him know that I sent a note to his yahoo address? Thanks! 3199. arkymalarky - 6/1/2002 9:14:39 AM He's still over at Random International quite a bit, at www.worldcrossing.com. You can go to the public forums option on the left and find Random International pretty easily and the picture by his name should link to an email (he'd be easy to find in one of the threads--they have a language thread, for one), or you can sign up and log in to worldcrossing and subscribe to the Random International folder and post a message directly to him. 3200. judithathome - 6/1/2002 9:47:37 AM I haven't been to Random International for quite awhile but he might be traveling since school is out. 3201. PelleNilsson - 6/1/2002 11:09:58 AM Random International 3202. PincherMartin - 6/1/2002 9:56:47 PM 3203. CalGal - 6/1/2002 10:02:12 PM Hey, nice to see you again. Wasn't it you who recommended the Roosevelt bio by Edmund Morris, or was it someone else? 3204. betty - 6/1/2002 10:17:25 PM I don't know if Daniel or somebody else changed the news story from "Trailer Trash" to "Trash Talkers" but i appreciate it. I wasn't gonna whine about it or anything, but it stung a little bit even though bubba, diva and i had been joking. 3205. PincherMartin - 6/1/2002 10:17:33 PM Hi Cal, 3206. CalGal - 6/1/2002 11:22:30 PM I received it for my birthday; it had been on my list for a long time. I'm about a third of the way through--he's just been made Police Commissioner. Very enjoyable. I have Theodore Rex as well. 3207. wabbit - 6/2/2002 1:11:49 AM betty, that would be me, guilty on both charges. I put the link up late last night and it just nagged at me, so I changed it first thing this morning. Sorry, no offense meant to anyone. 3208. judithathome - 6/2/2002 1:16:15 AM Wow, wabbit, you're up late....or early. 3209. wabbit - 6/2/2002 1:23:45 AM I'm rarely asleep before 2am, it's just more rare that I post. However, I wouldn't want Daniel to be blamed for the stupidity of my original wording of that link. It bothered me enough to wake me up at 5am only to find our electricity and phones out, so I couldn't change it until a bit later. 3210. judithathome - 6/2/2002 1:33:14 AM Fine, since I took a strong pain killer before I went a graduation tonight. We parked fairly close to the auditorium and got to sit in box seats close to the stage so I didn't have to climb up to the nose bleed section. 3211. concerned - 6/2/2002 1:44:10 AM re. 3202 - 3212. thoughtful - 6/2/2002 10:53:12 AM Thanks for the links and advice about irv. 3213. PelleNilsson - 6/4/2002 1:04:49 PM Just for fin I googled Ivan Osokin The folloing turned up in third place. 3214. PelleNilsson - 6/4/2002 1:05:04 PM fin = fun 3215. theDiva - 6/4/2002 1:07:48 PM Is Lennox Lewis gay? 3216. rubberducky - 6/4/2002 1:12:24 PM i dunno, but why do you ask? 3217. judithathome - 6/4/2002 1:13:01 PM I think yes. 3218. theDiva - 6/4/2002 1:15:02 PM I heard someone on the radio talking about it, and then I read where someone was picketing Mike Tyson with a STOP HOMOPHOBIA sign. I wondered whether there was a connection. 3219. OhioSTOPAS - 6/4/2002 1:15:39 PM Lennox Lewis gay? 3220. judithathome - 6/4/2002 1:18:06 PM Well.... 3221. TabouliJones - 6/4/2002 1:19:32 PM There are rumours that Lewis is gay. Apparently, Tyson has taunted Lewis about it, which may have factored into the melee b/w them at that press conference last year. 3222. rubberducky - 6/4/2002 1:20:30 PM huh 3223. TabouliJones - 6/4/2002 1:24:28 PM I think I read mention of it in ESPN at some point. It is also possible that a friend passed the rumours on from dubious sources. 3224. judithathome - 6/4/2002 1:27:01 PM Tabouli, I agree. He's a good looking, articulate man and I hope he pounds Tyson into the mat! 3225. TabouliJones - 6/4/2002 1:35:59 PM "Lennox Lewis gay? 3226. judithathome - 6/4/2002 1:39:23 PM Sometimes, in the privacy of his own home, he tells the paper, he likes to stand naked in front of the mirror and admire his own impressive physique. 3227. OhioSTOPAS - 6/4/2002 2:20:29 PM Although if Lennox Lewis IS gay, I'd sure like him to meet Jerry Falwell. 3228. theDiva - 6/4/2002 2:23:10 PM Jerry Falwell is gay? 3229. TabouliJones - 6/4/2002 2:24:56 PM "Jerry Falwell is gay?" 3230. rubberducky - 6/4/2002 2:27:02 PM ... in a dark alley on one of Lewis's worse days... 3231. rubberducky - 6/4/2002 2:28:30 PM bastards faster than me! 3232. TabouliJones - 6/4/2002 2:30:24 PM I resemble that remark. 3233. ivan osokin - 6/5/2002 8:17:31 AM I have a question: on the butter bar, is there a limit to how many links you can place there (i assume there is since the World Religion thread butter bar cuts off some)? 3234. theDiva - 6/5/2002 8:24:07 AM I don't believe so. Try setting your posts per page to a higher number and see whether that'll show all the links in the butterbar. 3235. theDiva - 6/5/2002 8:32:35 AM now, if you mean that links are being cut off under the subheadings, try using a very large number range difference between ending links and beginning subheadings. KWIM? 3236. rubberducky - 6/5/2002 9:00:18 AM a thread host can post around 35 'links' this includes hyperlinks and the headings. 3237. betty - 6/5/2002 9:14:31 AM Ahhh! 3238. wabbit - 6/5/2002 9:58:13 AM I've asked this in the Suggestions thread as well, but out of curiosity, did someone submit us for consideration by this site? 3239. grannypatsy - 6/10/2002 2:23:58 AM Why are there two cal persons llisted at 21 site? There is an upper case 3240. Erinys - 6/10/2002 2:48:17 AM ee, thanks, just saw your post and I will try that test. 3241. arkymalarky - 6/10/2002 10:39:08 AM HI PATSY!!!! 3242. judithathome - 6/11/2002 11:01:08 AM Patsy, Daniel set the site up and the first Cal listing didn't work to allow Cal to post so he added the second one and it worked. 3243. judithathome - 6/11/2002 11:02:40 AM And speaking of which, when is the next 21 face-off? 3244. Ms. No - 6/12/2002 1:13:28 PM To All Hosts: 3245. judithathome - 6/12/2002 2:14:12 PM Daniel....if you are giving out porn tapes of Michael Beschloss, please put me down for one!!;-) 3246. Daniel Sickles - 6/12/2002 2:14:56 PM Ha ha ha ha ha ha. 3247. LYS - 6/12/2002 9:54:57 PM Hi, 3248. bubbaette - 6/12/2002 9:58:00 PM Lih 3249. CalGal - 6/12/2002 10:00:07 PM Hi, LYS. As a card-carrying obsessive, I'm pretty sure you don't want me polluting your numbers. But welcome to the Mote. 3250. arkymalarky - 6/12/2002 10:16:33 PM Hahaha. Yes, I doubt you'll find many takers here--certainly not me--but do please let us know the results. We'll be extremely anxious to find out. 3251. theDiva - 6/13/2002 8:17:15 AM Welcome, Li. Sorry I can't participate in your study....I am a graduate of The Girl's Academy of Our Lady of Perpetual Anxiety. 3252. theDiva - 6/14/2002 5:28:39 PM and on that happy note, I'd like to wish all the MotePoppas an early, but [b]very[/b] HAPPY FATHER'S DAY! 3253. theDiva - 6/14/2002 5:29:20 PM oops. 3254. godlessclif - 6/18/2002 6:31:33 AM I am a textbook case of Anxiety Neurosis, but you may find some people in Australia who are not anxious. Most Aussies I met were pretty cool. 3255. PelleNilsson - 6/19/2002 2:14:20 PM I saw in RI that Irving will quit Bali and take up a teaching position at a Canadian university where he will also complete his Ph.D. in linguistics. 3256. CalGal - 6/19/2002 2:16:03 PM Wow. His family is okay with that? 3257. PelleNilsson - 6/19/2002 2:20:08 PM He is divorced since some time. 3258. CalGal - 6/19/2002 2:23:46 PM No kidding. I did not know that. So the kids are staying in Bali? 3259. rubberducky - 6/19/2002 2:26:01 PM those poor students 3260. TabouliJones - 6/19/2002 2:30:41 PM Pelle, 3261. PelleNilsson - 6/19/2002 2:42:05 PM CalGal 3262. TabouliJones - 6/19/2002 2:53:34 PM Thanks Pelle. If you don't mind, could you please let Irving know that, if he is coming to one of the universites in the Toronto area, I will gladly help him get acquainted with the city. 3263. arkymalarky - 6/19/2002 3:12:40 PM I wish him the best. 3264. sakonige - 6/19/2002 3:19:00 PM 3265. TabouliJones - 6/19/2002 3:26:43 PM Thanks arky. Irving would probably be an interesting guy to meet. I think I will email him. 3266. judithathome - 6/19/2002 3:27:50 PM Tabouli, I just sent you Irv's address. 3267. TabouliJones - 6/19/2002 3:28:17 PM Thanks Judith. 3268. TabouliJones - 6/19/2002 3:30:20 PM I am still curious about this RI forum, and would appreciate a link. Thanks in advance. 3269. judithathome - 6/19/2002 3:31:56 PM 3278. bubbaette - 6/20/2002 3:06:03 PM Oh my god. This is truly terrible news. I will miss the Sprite. 3279. Jenerator - 6/20/2002 5:29:48 PM Are the details of Maria's passing available anywhere? Did she die from complications related to Lupus? 3280. Adrianne - 6/25/2002 9:10:01 AM Can someone confirm that Maria's alma matre is College of Mount St. Vincent? We have a lawyer and an academic admin signed on to set up the scholarship in Maria's name, but I want to confirm before we contact the foundation. 3281. JJBiener - 6/28/2002 5:32:37 PM Jenerator - MsGreer knows. Thank you for the thought. She is coping with the news about as well as any of us. 3282. Andonly - 6/29/2002 1:42:13 PM Maria was one of the Mote's best writers and clearest thinkers. I had already begun to miss her contributions lately, and wondered whether she had become (more) ill. It comes as a terrible, sad shock to learn she has died. 3283. judithathome - 6/29/2002 1:46:18 PM Andonly, there's a memorium thread to Maria...if you'd care to post something in it. 3284. PelleNilsson - 7/13/2002 1:14:45 PM I'll be away for about three weeks starting tomorrow, Sunday. 3285. judithathome - 7/13/2002 1:19:18 PM Have a good trip! 3286. PelleNilsson - 7/13/2002 1:20:20 PM Thanks. 3287. judithathome - 7/14/2002 9:25:16 PM Arky just phoned me and wanted me to let the other moderators know that lightning just took out her modem and she can't get onto the net, obviously. She was sleeping and when the lightning/thunder hit, it woke her up and she realized the computer was still on...too late, unfortunately, to save the modem. 3288. arkymalarky - 7/16/2002 2:36:25 PM I'm back now. 3289. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 8/1/2002 10:30:18 PM The good doctor is back too after several mud bath treatments and athletic style massages. 3290. betty - 8/2/2002 2:46:00 PM Anybody know how i can get rid of the new version of Kazaa? everytime I try to remove it from my system the thing tells me it can't be removed, it's running, blah, blah, blah, and I can't get it to stop running...fucking annoying. 3291. TabouliJones - 8/2/2002 3:18:20 PM I know a good pop-up killer -- stop visiting so many porn sites. 3292. betty - 8/2/2002 3:29:03 PM Tabouli, 3293. rubberducky - 8/2/2002 3:29:21 PM u can go to download.com and type in pop-up killer and get several. since they are free, play with them til you find one you like. 3294. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 4:53:28 PM Diva, 3295. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 4:54:16 PM ...and while you're at it...How are you doing? 3296. theDiva - 8/9/2002 4:56:13 PM I been wondering that my own self, sweetie. I plan to give them a call this weekend. No news is good news, I figure. 3297. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 4:59:01 PM Thanks Diva. Been a long strange trip it's has. 3298. theDiva - 8/9/2002 5:03:01 PM You been okay otherwise? 3299. magoseph - 8/9/2002 5:06:21 PM Salut, labwabbit. Remember me? 3300. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 5:08:57 PM Fine...all things considered. Just a real full plate. My initial project when I first arrived here, is coming to fruition the 20th...or will rot on the vine if the proposal is rejected. Big things for this town if I didn't come across as a complete idiot... 3301. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 5:09:45 PM mago...bien oui. How are you dear lady? 3302. magoseph - 8/9/2002 5:11:41 PM Trying to find you on Random from to time. Did you take a trip with someone we know? How is your family? 3303. theDiva - 8/9/2002 5:14:36 PM That's right, you met the Prof and his Mrs.!!! I am so envious. 3304. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 5:17:07 PM No was visited by a friend we all know. The family is fine. Went to California two weeks ago where we all got together for the first time in over 5 years. It was all just wperfect except for the 120+ heat wave for the entire week. 3305. Max Macks - 8/9/2002 5:18:56 PM labwabbit, that must have been the week 3306. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 5:20:02 PM Diva, 3307. magoseph - 8/9/2002 5:22:13 PM lab, 3308. Max Macks - 8/9/2002 5:25:59 PM Did there not used to be a Literature thread 3309. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 5:26:14 PM Max, 3310. Max Macks - 8/9/2002 5:31:39 PM I live in the Bay Area , lab. 3311. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 5:40:41 PM Max, 3312. labwabbit - 8/9/2002 5:42:30 PM "btw are you not the gatekeeper who 3313. judithathome - 8/9/2002 5:54:04 PM Hey, LAB!! How cool to see you once again! 3314. magoseph - 8/9/2002 6:28:48 PM Lab, 3315. Max Macks - 8/9/2002 6:36:17 PM So you must be in Sonoma County ..lab. 3316. judithathome - 8/9/2002 6:45:27 PM No max, that was Wabbit...she is the gatekeeper who helped you. Nice lady, indeed! 3317. Max Macks - 8/9/2002 8:14:12 PM oh , thanks again JAH. you often are 3318. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 8/17/2002 10:01:26 PM Have any of the wights of this domicle taken the baths at one of the famous "spas" of the world? 3319. Ms. No - 8/20/2002 1:54:55 PM Excel Question: 3320. rubberducky - 8/20/2002 2:05:40 PM hmm - never heard of that, i can ask around 3321. PelleNilsson - 8/20/2002 2:45:50 PM Ms. No 3322. Ms. No - 8/20/2002 2:58:55 PM Yeah, I'm finding that nobody here has heard of it either. I've got a USC grad offering to convert my list in Unix as a text file etc. etc. but honestly I'll just cut and paste the little effers at this point. 3323. Ms. No - 8/20/2002 3:00:44 PM Thanks Pelle! That's exactly what I needed! 3324. Ms. No - 8/20/2002 3:37:33 PM I KISS YOU!!!! 3325. rubberducky - 8/20/2002 3:56:36 PM Am I just nuts? 3326. theDiva - 8/20/2002 4:01:29 PM well, if you merge cells you'll lose data in one cell or the other. You might try an edit/replace, though that might not do the trick, either. What's the first character in each cell? Does it vary? 3327. Ms. No - 8/20/2002 4:07:20 PM Yeah, the first character varied. Basically I had a list of titles and I needed to make HTML links for each of them, but I didn't want to have to keep typing the link root you know 3328. Ms. No - 8/20/2002 4:09:51 PM Diva, 3329. theDiva - 8/20/2002 4:20:24 PM If you're happy, I'm happy. 3330. msivorytower - 8/20/2002 10:36:54 PM Calling H-Man 3331. msivorytower - 8/20/2002 10:37:23 PM 3332. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2002 11:21:49 AM MsIt 3333. theDiva - 8/21/2002 11:27:20 AM I was wondering. 3334. robertjayb - 8/21/2002 11:30:51 AM Another lawyer? 3335. alistairconnor - 8/21/2002 11:44:46 AM Oh the Ms! Congratulations. I would feel so proud of you, except that, er, I disapprove of lawyers. 3336. Ms. No - 8/21/2002 11:52:38 AM Congratulations, MsIT!!! Great news! 3337. wabbit - 8/21/2002 12:59:42 PM Happy days, MsIT! Congratulations! 3338. alistairconnor - 8/21/2002 1:40:14 PM 3339. msivorytower - 8/21/2002 2:31:49 PM Hey guys, thanks, but if the congrats are for passing the bar they are premature. I was simply celebrating the fact that I've finished law school and taken the bar, and am now in the happy position of having back some free time to play. 3340. alistairconnor - 8/21/2002 2:51:34 PM When will you know? 3341. msivorytower - 8/21/2002 4:03:25 PM Hey Alistair 3342. alistairconnor - 8/21/2002 4:49:36 PM Hmmm. A bit difficult to make career plans in the meantime. 3343. arkymalarky - 8/21/2002 6:44:03 PM Oh man, that's a long time. And I know you passed, because I noticed that your first day of testing was my birthday. 3344. msivorytower - 8/21/2002 7:11:03 PM So what will you do if you have failed? 3345. thoughtful - 8/22/2002 1:28:19 PM Are there different bar exams for each different state? 3346. Ms. No - 8/22/2002 2:35:45 PM I still think it's an accomplishment to complete the schooling whether or not one ever takes the bar. It's a long committment and a lot of hard work and certainly worth congratulations in and of itself. 3347. vonKreedon - 8/22/2002 7:20:15 PM MsIT - What questions do you have regarding Europa Universalis? I love the game, though I do not have the time required to really obsess on it as it deserves. 3348. msivorytower - 8/22/2002 9:48:38 PM Hey VonK 3349. vonKreedon - 8/22/2002 11:30:03 PM Ms - It feels the most like what I imagine running an expansive empire would feel like. The resources that you gather make alot of sense. The exploration and exploitation part of the game is both easy and realistic, something that is difficult to pull off. 3350. msivorytower - 8/29/2002 11:06:59 PM vonK 3351. vonKreedon - 8/30/2002 12:16:54 AM Try playing the full game as England. Follow England's historical strategy, it works really well. By 1792 you can have built the British Empire and win the game. 3352. msivorytower - 8/30/2002 7:55:48 AM VonK 3353. vonKreedon - 8/30/2002 4:14:17 PM Well, EU is the least war oriented empire building game I have ever come accross, and war in EU is very expensive and risky....still, if you are going to build an empire you are going to have to fight some wars. That being said, I find that I do better if I avoid fighting, as in really participating in, a war with one of the continental powers, say France, until the 1600's. France typically declares war on England, or one of England's allies, but I use the navy to keep France from being able to get to me until we can come to a peace agreement. 3354. msivorytower - 9/6/2002 5:00:54 PM vonK 3355. vonKreedon - 9/6/2002 9:12:30 PM MsIT - Glad to hear it. This correspondance has prompted me to find my copy of the CD, but I haven't had the time yet to load the game up. 3356. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 9/7/2002 8:42:42 AM The good doctor needs a partner for Yahoo spades. 3357. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 9/8/2002 10:49:43 PM A learned wight hereabouts sobriqueted Rama explained "Mote Icon" to yours truly and provided the example :-P. 3358. DocBrown - 9/28/2002 11:55:57 PM Anyone know where I can find jokes about nuclear war, or the end of the world in general? 3359. DocBrown - 9/29/2002 12:12:26 AM Here's why I need the jokes: 3360. judithathome - 9/29/2002 8:51:04 AM Henry was droll and somber and you might do better writing couplets for him to say. He always did the poetry reading. Too bad you can't use his hands; you put a big sizzled sunflower in one hand for him. And I seem to remember he wore an oversized bow tie. 3361. judithathome - 9/29/2002 8:52:12 AM And you could do Artie as the dirty old man...sexual innuendo was his forte. 3362. joezan - 9/29/2002 9:04:40 AM How about Cheech & Chong? 3363. Absensia - 9/29/2002 8:09:25 PM And Jo Ann would shriek after each joke. 3364. DocBrown - 9/30/2002 8:47:24 AM All very good. 3365. judithathome - 9/30/2002 9:26:16 AM I just heard Bonnie Hunt tell a funny joke...maybe you could rework it as something aprés nuclear war. 3366. judithathome - 9/30/2002 9:27:52 AM ...female Henny Youngman? Wouldn't need a straight partner; just do killer one liners in Selma Diamond's voice. 3367. cmboyce - 9/30/2002 12:15:46 PM Q: What do you do when you see a space man? 3368. bubbaette - 9/30/2002 12:20:30 PM Why do eskimos wash their clothes in Tide? 3369. glendajean - 9/30/2002 12:28:50 PM What do you get when you cross a lawyer with a Mafia godfather? 3370. DocBrown - 10/1/2002 4:08:06 PM Thanks for all the great suggestions! 3371. judithathome - 10/1/2002 4:10:58 PM "What are you doing for the rest of your life?" 3372. arkymalarky - 10/5/2002 12:02:49 PM Judith called to say her modem is out again and won't be back in time for the 21 match, so if Daniel and Doc want to replace her that will be fine, or they can wait until she gets back on line, though she has no idea when that will be. 3373. DocBrown - 10/8/2002 2:22:19 PM Judith, after some thought, I think I can make a long string of jokes out of "two weeks where the shore used to be." Thanks. 3374. magoseph - 10/8/2002 5:13:35 PM Doc Brown, 3375. arkymalarky - 10/11/2002 7:26:16 PM I posted in Health also, but Judith probably won't be able to come in for a few days due to her kidney stone, but her modem came in and it's still not working either, so I don't know when she will be back on the Mote. She sounded like she really felt awful. 3376. PelleNilsson - 10/17/2002 4:07:53 AM I experience a strange phenomenon when I try to access Technical Issues. When I click on the thread title the address window shows "http://www.themote.com/viewThread.asp?thread=278&Last=1", which is OK I guess. But when the thread starts to load the address changes (as when one gets redirected) to the meaningless "cid:M7YT19q4ep6TV" and I get an error message. 3377. Snowowl - 10/17/2002 5:13:02 AM I get the same result. 3378. alistairconnor - 10/17/2002 6:31:26 AM I suspect a RustlerPike booby-trap. I'll investigate. 3379. arkymalarky - 10/17/2002 5:29:45 PM That must've been what that email did. 3380. arkymalarky - 10/19/2002 12:50:36 PM I noticed DocBrown posted in 21. Judith called this morning and her modem's giving trouble again. They're working on it, but no one seems to be able to pinpoint the trouble. It started with the SBC/Yahoo switch, so it would seem something got messed up with that, but they're going to try to find the problem. Hopefully it will just be a few more days. 3381. Ulgine Barrows - 10/27/2002 2:05:49 AM judithathome, can I have your spot in 21? How endeared are you to it? 3382. Ulgine Barrows - 10/27/2002 2:08:52 AM And have you all set your clocks back, slackers? 3383. Ulgine Barrows - 10/27/2002 2:12:07 AM Especially the new lawyers, watch that clock and do well! 3384. judithathome - 10/27/2002 9:36:59 AM Ulgine, I've been back online now for almost a week and have posted in 21 that I'm ready when they are. But I'm leaving on Friday Nov. 1 and will be gone about 10 days so if nothing is going to happen before that, feel free to jump in. 3385. Ulgine Barrows - 10/29/2002 8:27:12 PM judith, oops. I misread your message, thought you were posting from somewhere else and waiting for the squirrel damage to be fixed. 3386. judithathome - 10/30/2002 11:19:11 AM Well, you should go ahead and contact Sickles because I am leaving on Friday morning. I haven't heard back from him after posting here, in the 21 thread, and sending him an e-mail so I hope you have better luck than I reaching him but please try...I'll be gone for over a week and don't want to hold this up any longer, either. 3387. theDiva - 10/31/2002 9:34:56 AM Judith 3388. judithathome - 10/31/2002 10:41:03 AM I forgave you long before I saw your post, Diva, I was in a weird mood, too...we all have our days, right? I've been away from the computer a lot the last few days and am going nuts with this hearing problem. 3389. theDiva - 10/31/2002 10:51:02 AM HANH? WHAT? SPEAK UP!!! (G) 3390. judithathome - 10/31/2002 6:03:20 PM Can someone tell me the name of the man who has a sort of religious city or compound in Colorado and who publishes all sorts of books on Family Dynamics? He has a huge following and his compound has all sorts of prodution eqiupment for videos and printing set-ups for books and things. He employs hundreds of people and they all live there on the grounds. They offer Family Retreats to repair marriages and also to deal with teens and kids...I think he puts out books about child development techniques, too. 3391. judithathome - 10/31/2002 6:24:47 PM Never mind...it's James Dobson, Focus on the Family. 3392. Trouble - 10/31/2002 6:33:36 PM America'sMr. Ethics. An amazing individual who "rings them bells" speading Christianity to everyone with ears and eyes to listen. 3393. judithathome - 10/31/2002 7:08:17 PM Right. 3394. Ulgine Barrows - 11/1/2002 1:37:10 AM Well if the 21 can be played in those days you are gone, I will certainly do so. But I will not trouble my pretty little head about a prize until it actually happens, because I think it won't happen. 3395. msivorytower - 11/8/2002 7:54:47 PM Hey Guys 3396. anomieme - 11/8/2002 10:05:35 PM MsIt, 3397. PelleNilsson - 11/9/2002 3:39:12 AM Congratulations MsIt! 3398. uzmakk - 11/9/2002 6:45:56 AM Congrats, MsIT, and Jared Diamond is wrong. 3399. uzmakk - 11/9/2002 7:54:28 AM I attended a lecture by a world famous anthropologist(forget his name) a couple of weeks ago. Forced my youngest son to come with me. One nifty thing I recall is that in one of the prehumans the teeth were very human looking, BUT, by studying the enamel and how it was deposited on the teeth over time it was discovered that the human looking teeth had developed as as ape's teeth develop and not as a human's develop. 3400. wabbit - 11/9/2002 9:14:45 AM Yeehaw!!! I never doubted it for a minute -- congratulations, MsIT, esq.!! 3401. thoughtful - 11/9/2002 9:47:41 AM Heartiest congratulations to MsIT! That's wonderful news and something to be most proud of. 3402. judithathome - 11/9/2002 10:02:19 AM I echo all the congrats to MsIT!! 3403. alistairconnor - 11/9/2002 10:11:56 AM Congrats to Ms University of Texas! 3404. msivorytower - 11/9/2002 11:01:59 AM 3405. arkymalarky - 11/9/2002 11:32:47 AM That's great Msit! I ididn't have a doubt you would, but I know other people saying that doesn't help when you're waiting on results, and I'm glad your wait is over! 3406. bubbaette - 11/9/2002 3:46:32 PM Congrats to MsIT! 3407. PelleNilsson - 11/10/2002 2:13:58 PM jexster 3408. judithathome - 11/13/2002 12:05:55 PM Pelle, since neither of the Religion and Philosophy hosts seems to be around, why don't you link Kuligin and Rick's discussion of the Creed to the front page. It's very interesting. 3409. wabbit - 11/13/2002 12:13:34 PM JaH, I agree, the link is up. 3410. judithathome - 11/13/2002 12:43:45 PM Thanks, wabbit! I didn't know you were around...hope you're feeling well today. 3411. theDiva - 11/13/2002 1:04:46 PM my goodness, I had missed the Ms. and her good news! Congratulations, Missy, that is absolutely wonderful! 3412. thoughtful - 11/13/2002 5:21:26 PM Pelle, I see why you suspended jex, but i didn't see him as a problem and disagree with your doing so. Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. While some of his things were dreck, there were also some gems in there that led to some interesting discussions. The dreck is easy enough to scroll by and i'm not sure that his postings were driving people away...rather the hope of finding something interesting kept the thread alive, IMHO. 3413. msivorytower - 11/15/2002 8:03:07 AM Thanks again for all the good wishes.... 3414. thoughtful - 11/15/2002 8:28:08 AM Not I, but I've never posted my e-mail here and only a very select few have my hotmail address. 3415. theDiva - 11/15/2002 8:32:27 AM no. That's very odd. 3416. judithathome - 11/15/2002 9:21:56 AM Not me...and I have a public e-mail address on the Cafe list! Of course, very few people want to know how to waste time or do laundry. ;-) 3417. wabbit - 11/15/2002 10:08:57 AM MsIT, 3418. seadate - 11/15/2002 10:32:30 AM But Judith does have the coolest dusters. I'm not sure that it's the dusters that are so cool or Judith's "Tom Sawyer" spell she puts on on all present when they are in use. Visitors wind up doing the dusting while sweet Judith spikes the punch. 3419. judithathome - 11/15/2002 1:37:24 PM Curses! My ploy is exposed! 3420. concerned - 11/15/2002 4:31:31 PM Re. 3412 - 3421. concerned - 11/15/2002 4:32:24 PM ....non-American... 3422. judithathome - 11/15/2002 4:45:22 PM Jex is no more an embarrassment than Rosetta. I don't think the attitudes of Europeans were considered any more than those of Americans or Martians. 3423. concerned - 11/15/2002 5:12:29 PM Just so nobody misunderstands. Jexster does very little here that bothers me personally. I don't like being referred to as a Nazi very much by him, but then I have been guilty of returning that favor to hims and others, and spamming the same post across several threads seems a bit unnecessary to me, but aside from those minor quibbles, AFAIC, I tend to mildly enjoy what he posts when I come across it, although I don't very often follow his links. 3424. concerned - 11/15/2002 5:13:00 PM ...hims......??? 3425. concerned - 11/15/2002 5:13:14 PM Where'd that come from? 3426. concerned - 11/15/2002 7:25:31 PM thoughtful - 3427. concerned - 11/15/2002 7:25:48 PM 3428. concerned - 11/15/2002 7:28:00 PM Ok. 3429. PelleNilsson - 11/18/2002 12:09:51 PM Swayed by public sentiment I have reinstated Jexster. I mailed him at the Yahoo address which he used to register with the Mote, but I don't know if he checks that regularly. 3430. judithathome - 11/18/2002 5:28:59 PM Pelle, thanks for doing so. 3431. Trouble - 11/19/2002 6:17:50 PM Pelle the loon gets worked over by judithatsaddam and changes his mind about his unilateral decision to ax Jexster. 3432. judithathome - 11/19/2002 6:26:45 PM Did it ever occur to you that others talked to Pelle, too? 3433. Trouble - 11/19/2002 7:26:02 PM "others" as in plural? 3434. judithathome - 11/19/2002 8:27:23 PM Well, read upthread, you buffoon. 3435. judithathome - 11/19/2002 8:33:56 PM Okay, that was harsh. Sorry about the buffoon bit. 3436. wabbit - 11/21/2002 7:51:44 PM I don't know how many of the K-12 teachers here use Apple computers, but if you do and you haven't upgraded to the OS X v10.2 (Jaguar) yet, Apple is giving it to qualifying teachers free through Dec. 31, 2002. 3437. Cellar Door - 11/21/2002 7:55:06 PM You cna never be too harsh to such trash. 3438. bobbie - 11/30/2002 1:57:36 PM Could someone please tell me what 21 is about? 3439. arkymalarky - 11/30/2002 3:44:14 PM Funny you should ask, Bobbie, since I just talked to Judith and she asked me to let Dan and Doc know her computer's back on the fritz (a different problem and it's going to the shop). 3440. arkymalarky - 11/30/2002 3:45:33 PM In other words, there would be one final winner by the end, which we project to occur sometime in early 2007. 3441. Ulgine Barrows - 12/1/2002 2:26:07 AM msivorytower, good thing for not being Jesse's girl and deleting that email. That's odd. (Now, when I email you for free legal advice, please don't do the same thing. bwaah. never fear, I'd never do such a thing, you're in a different state and frankly, useless to me) 3442. bobbie - 12/1/2002 7:49:33 AM Arky, I will not be available this Monday night, but thanks anyway. Does everyone get to see the questions? 3443. arkymalarky - 12/1/2002 10:34:47 AM Bobbie, 3444. Ulgine Barrows - 12/1/2002 8:35:43 PM Sure, Mon 2 Dec 10pm EST sounds good. I emailed Daniel too. 3445. arkymalarky - 12/1/2002 9:41:31 PM Good deal. Even if we don't hear back from him, if all of you show up at the scheduled time that should work great, since he knows to be here then. 3446. Ulgine Barrows - 12/2/2002 12:57:11 AM OK, speaking of embarrassments, why does it still say October sexpots over on the left? And here we are, it's December? Are we not lame, there, over on the left? 3447. Ms. No - 12/2/2002 3:26:21 PM Ulgine, 3448. theDiva - 12/3/2002 12:12:34 PM Ulgine 3449. bobbie - 12/5/2002 4:15:17 PM I like communicating with all. Do any of you belong to chat group? I have never done that, either, and think I would like the interaction. 3450. arkymalarky - 12/5/2002 8:59:13 PM I haven't, but I began here because of the moderated and involved discussions--I've learned a lot from the people here. I've hardly been into other forums except for this one, and I've been here over five years. There are some people who used to be here and are now elsewhere that I try to keep up with in their new locations, but that's about it. 3451. Ulgine Barrows - 12/5/2002 10:10:44 PM That's most likely right, Diva. October fades into December and then February. 3452. bobbie - 12/6/2002 5:56:43 PM Thanks Arky. Five years is a long time. You must have met many interesting people. Are you a student? 3453. arkymalarky - 12/6/2002 6:07:51 PM Actually I'm a teacher, which is what drew me to this place when it was part of Slate magazine's Fray, and I saw that a lot of subjects I had an interest in were being discussed by very knowledgeable people and it was international and well run and moderated. My father is a retired university professor and he's the one who first told me about the site. 3454. bobbie - 12/6/2002 6:16:27 PM Arky, what do you teach? 3455. wonkers2 - 12/6/2002 9:47:30 PM She is a high school English teacher, if my memory serves me correctly. 3456. Ulgine Barrows - 12/6/2002 10:03:55 PM She also teaches poetic good manners and laissez-faire. 3457. arkymalarky - 12/6/2002 10:48:58 PM Hahaha! 3458. Ulgine Barrows - 12/6/2002 11:53:41 PM I watched Stand and Deliver last night. 3459. sakonige - 12/16/2002 2:34:27 PM Did something happen to CalGal's and Lime's website? It seems to have been replaced by a commercial enterprise of some kind. 3460. judithathome - 12/16/2002 3:00:03 PM Don't know...but I'm sure someone will show up who knows what happened to it. 3461. judithathome - 12/16/2002 3:04:13 PM Wow. I just clicked on it and tried to access the admin site...weird message there. 3462. Snowowl - 12/16/2002 3:07:23 PM Apparently their server was down earlier, and while it's back up now something seems to have screwed up in the meantime. 3463. wabbit - 12/17/2002 12:08:13 AM I meant to post this before Round Two of Twenty-One began, but better late than never (apologies to Ms. No and DocBrown). 3464. Ms. No - 12/17/2002 12:36:43 AM Ah, but the descriptions often have the answer in them so that you don't have to go to the actual sites. 3465. Ulgine Barrows - 12/17/2002 12:44:46 AM Well that's a good factoid, wabbit, about google.com/ie, if I knew what 'ie' stood for I might even remember that. 3466. Ms. No - 12/17/2002 1:02:22 AM Oh damn, she was on NPR tonight. her last name is something starting with a G I think, isn't it? 3467. Ms. No - 12/17/2002 1:04:26 AM It'll be on their website tomorrow for sure. 3468. vonKreedon - 12/17/2002 1:26:17 AM Congrats Cos on a finely played game. A very well rounded knowledge was displayed. 3469. Ulgine Barrows - 12/17/2002 2:14:09 AM Ms. No, was your answer to me? NPR is a very scary website with meeny teensy links, I did find All Things Considered and excellent as it may usually be, it had nothing to do with what I was asking. I will check more NPR links if you say it was about the airline person. 3470. Ms. No - 12/17/2002 12:30:17 PM Thanks, Cos! I actually did know a couple of the answers this time, but I'm still lighting candles to Google. 3471. judithathome - 12/17/2002 12:32:19 PM I've got Google on my task bar... 3472. Ms. No - 12/17/2002 12:42:56 PM Hollis Gillespie!! I knew it was a 'G' name. 3473. Ulgine Barrows - 12/18/2002 7:08:52 AM Thanks, Ms. No! 3474. Ms. No - 12/18/2002 12:57:54 PM Quite welcome! I just think it's cool that I happened to hear this story on the radio as you were looking for the author. 3475. Andonly - 1/4/2003 6:42:08 PM Anyone who can weigh in with info and experience: 3476. Andonly - 1/4/2003 6:54:18 PM The most hilariously obnoxious interview of all time: 3477. PincherMartin - 1/4/2003 9:00:14 PM It is hilarious. (And even if they did edit the original, there still are some pauses filled with tension in this recording. 3478. Andonly - 1/4/2003 10:04:21 PM This version is the unedited McCoy, it's just that it's a big file and my media player doesn't reproduce it without great huge buffering breaks. 3479. Edmund Dantes - 1/4/2003 11:17:44 PM )My big question is, how much should that .2 gig be worth to me, given my proposed graphics use? I mean, is it worth the $600 differential, in speed and stability? 3480. Edmund Dantes - 1/4/2003 11:41:10 PM The interview is worth the download. Painful but an enjoyable trainwreck. 3481. joezan - 1/4/2003 11:42:44 PM 3482. Andonly - 1/5/2003 3:18:56 PM Thanks for the computer advice, guys. 3483. Andonly - 1/5/2003 3:20:15 PM Rather, "I was told that what I really need is SDRAM memory, and [...] this laptop is 256 MB expandable to 1024." 3484. Andonly - 1/5/2003 3:21:45 PM "BTW, Andonly, you can download the whole thing and play it from your hard drive to eliminate the halts caused by a slow connection." 3485. Edmund Dantes - 1/5/2003 10:06:26 PM Right click on this link and choose "Save target as..." 3486. Edmund Dantes - 1/5/2003 10:07:14 PM ...program that plays... 3487. joezan - 1/5/2003 10:14:00 PM 3488. Andonly - 1/5/2003 10:24:49 PM Edmund, gracias, but when I right-click I get an error message: "D:/is not accessible. Device is not ready. Cancel/Retry". I have no idea what this means. 3489. Edmund Dantes - 1/5/2003 10:28:33 PM Andonly: Are you trying to save it to your CD ROM drive? 3490. Andonly - 1/6/2003 6:12:15 PM "Andonly: Are you trying to save it to your CD ROM drive? " 3491. Edmund Dantes - 1/6/2003 9:06:09 PM Hmm. I can't tell you what might be doing that. 3492. Andonly - 1/7/2003 2:01:51 PM Well thanks, anyway, for thinking on it. 3493. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/7/2003 2:05:33 PM Andonly, try switching browsers and then give it a try—it may work or it may tell you something you don't know now. 3494. Andonly - 1/8/2003 2:38:42 PM Hey Wizard, tried switching browsers and still got the error message, but clicking out of the message left me with a Save As... window and I was able to download the file. 3495. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/8/2003 2:44:22 PM 3496. wonkers2 - 1/9/2003 5:22:20 PM Ah! One of the Beef Trust girls! 3497. banjomon - 1/20/2003 12:17:00 AM That looks like the same woman who was leaning on the tailgate of a pick-up in the "sex" section of the mote. 3498. Ms. No - 2/28/2003 2:18:17 PM Is anyone here familiar with the QuickBooks Payroll Module? I've just started using the thing and I've got a weird pay-period problem. 3499. Max Macks - 3/6/2003 4:10:57 PM Often wondered why The Mote has no way 3500. TabouliJones - 3/6/2003 4:18:58 PM I just wanted let all and sundry know that I am finally moving my ass to London. I leave March 25th and am excited about the trip. I will keep everyone posted when I settle down, find work, meet the woman of dreams and become a soccer -- sorry, football -- hooligan good and proper. 3501. arkymalarky - 3/6/2003 6:05:10 PM Wow, congrats Tabouli! I know you'll love it. Hope you find time to visit with us some once you settle in there. 3502. theDiva - 3/6/2003 6:26:39 PM hot diggity! Congratulations, Tabou. Best of luck to you, dear. 3503. vanTHEman - 3/16/2003 10:16:19 PM Does anyone have a copy of the picture that has a poster that says "Pacifists are the parasites of freedom?" If so, could someone post it? Also, how do you post pictures in posts? Thanks! 3504. PincherMartin - 3/25/2003 12:34:50 PM I haven't been able to get into The Perfect World over the last couple of days. Does anyone who visits there know what the problem is and when it will be fixed? 3505. christipeters - 3/25/2003 12:39:15 PM There are problems with the server. CalGal and Lime can't get in to get their data and the email list was somehow lost. They are operating TPW out of a back-up site right now. I'd ask you to email me and then send you the link, but I can't post my work email on a public forum and I can't get to hotmail from work as the company is blocking it. 3506. PincherMartin - 3/25/2003 12:41:21 PM Thanks 3507. christipeters - 3/25/2003 12:43:26 PM email sent 3508. MsIvoryTower - 3/25/2003 3:08:13 PM Christi 3509. judithathome - 3/25/2003 3:26:42 PM From Christi, evidently. 3510. theDiva - 3/25/2003 3:55:01 PM Missy! 3511. vonKreedon - 3/25/2003 4:11:17 PM The Diva is a Budget Hag!?!! The mind reels at the cognative dissonance. 3512. MsIvoryTower - 3/25/2003 4:11:44 PM Diva 3513. vonKreedon - 3/25/2003 4:12:01 PM Oh, and a big hello to MsIT! 3514. MsIvoryTower - 3/25/2003 4:13:39 PM Hello, El Presidente! 3515. wabbit - 3/25/2003 4:17:22 PM Hey MsIT! How's everything? 3516. MsIvoryTower - 3/25/2003 4:19:35 PM Wabbit!!!! 3517. theDiva - 3/25/2003 4:21:28 PM vonK, didn't you know I was a gubment management analyst? Can't one be simultaneously fab and responsible? 3518. wabbit - 3/25/2003 4:24:38 PM Jobs in greater Boston are still in decline. That said, whoever hires you is going to be thrilled they got you first! 3519. wabbit - 3/25/2003 4:25:15 PM DIVA!! 3520. theDiva - 3/25/2003 4:26:00 PM WABBIT!!!!! 3521. vonKreedon - 3/25/2003 4:26:17 PM Diva - It's the Hag part of Budget Hag that has my mind in turmoil. I'm having a very hard time reconcilling Hag and Fab. 3522. vonKreedon - 3/25/2003 4:28:35 PM My esteemed VP, I'm currently arguing that the administration appears to have overoptemistic in its assumptions about the Iraqi armies willingness and ability to fight and the Iraqi populations enthusiasm for regime change. I'm still hoping that I'm wrong because a stalemate at this point would likely be disasterous. 3523. theDiva - 3/25/2003 4:30:24 PM "I'm having a very hard time reconcilling Hag and Fab." 3524. wabbit - 3/25/2003 4:34:59 PM vonK, allow me to explain. 3525. alistairconnor - 3/25/2003 4:39:07 PM I typed theperfectworld.com and I got an ad for penis enlargement. I thought, this sounds like the right place. But I didn't see any familiar names. 3526. theDiva - 3/25/2003 4:39:47 PM hahahahaha 3527. Ms. No - 3/25/2003 5:02:24 PM hahaha, TPW is a .us site, 3528. arkymalarky - 3/25/2003 5:06:52 PM Hey, Alistair, I wonder if it's the same place spamming my Yahoo account and endlessly offering that service "safely and naturally." 3529. Ms. No - 3/25/2003 5:31:23 PM For folks looking for the TPW development site: 3530. Edmund Dantes - 3/28/2003 10:07:10 AM Al: Per your post in Politics, you need to re-register at the new site the same way you did at the old site. 3531. wabbit - 4/1/2003 2:10:26 PM Has anyone been to Prague lately? A couple friends are going soon and are looking for hotel/restaurant/things-not-to-be-missed recommendations. 3532. PelleNilsson - 4/1/2003 2:18:35 PM One way to find out is to check RI2. There is an American there posting as Mike R. who lives in Prague (he teaches classical Greek) and loves the place. 3533. wabbit - 4/1/2003 2:22:26 PM Thanks, Pelle, I'll do that. 3534. judithathome - 4/4/2003 9:36:59 AM Jay, I have had two e-mails addressed to you returned. Have you received one from me in the past week? I used your host address. Could you please contact me at the address listed in the Mote E-mails in the Cafe? Thanks! 3535. spunkymisg - 4/10/2003 11:24:03 AM Arky, do we know approximately how long themote was down yesterday? The line was dead when I walked home. I am planning to call my provider in order to see what exactly went wrong. 3536. arkymalarky - 4/10/2003 7:17:47 PM Hey Spunky. I didn't know until Snow said it had gone down before she had gone to bed, but I don't know her NZ time as relates to mine. It was up for me when I went to bed the night before and I didn't try to log on again until that afternoon. It may have been around 20 hours, though, looking at posts. 3537. seguineandonly - 4/15/2003 10:41:58 PM Where on the web is RI2? I've lost the URL. 3538. wabbit - 4/15/2003 11:28:37 PM 3539. uzmakk - 4/18/2003 8:40:02 AM When one goes to a website with an address that appears in the address box, then presses an image which pops up and obscures the address and with no new address visible, is there a way to link to that specific image? 3540. alistairConnor - 4/18/2003 10:47:14 AM (if it's a simple image, jpg, gif etc) 3541. Al D - 4/29/2003 6:23:30 PM Can anyone tell me the URL for Perfect World. 3542. magoseph - 4/30/2003 9:15:11 AM Here, Al: http://www.theperfectworld.us/ 3543. alistairConnor - 4/30/2003 9:32:01 AM Do you know the way to San José? 3544. alistairConnor - 4/30/2003 9:34:17 AM Second thoughts : 3545. spunkymisg - 6/11/2003 9:09:18 PM I guess by now some of you or all might be hitting the mote via the dns address. 3546. arkymalarky - 6/11/2003 11:09:25 PM It's working for me. Thanks! 3547. ScreamingSin - 9/24/2003 2:35:09 AM 3544. alistairConnor - 4/30/2003 2:34:17 PM 3548. jexster - 11/1/2003 11:03:08 AM With all the IT geeks around this place, someone ought to be able to answer me this... 3549. Edmund Dantes - 12/8/2003 12:13:47 AM Coming soon...to a dried-up moat near you... 3550. arkymalarky - 12/8/2003 12:15:36 AM Is that farewell to the Mote or farewell to online forums or are you changing your id? 3551. Edmund Dantes - 12/8/2003 12:26:53 AM Definitely farewell to the Mote. 3552. arkymalarky - 12/8/2003 12:31:16 AM Well, your contributions will be missed even if I do disagree with them 99.99% of the time. I hope you enjoy the change if you move on to something else online. 3553. rdbrewer - 12/8/2003 9:55:31 AM Oh, hell, ED. You're the funniest and most interesting poster around here, with the exception of Jexter, of course. Hate to see you go. 3554. Magoseph - 12/8/2003 10:36:03 AM 3555. Edmund Dantes - 1/5/2004 11:48:40 AM Speaking of blogs, Ace of Spades now has one. 3556. vonKreedon - 1/5/2004 5:10:40 PM ED - What prompted your decision to announce a date that you will quit posting at the Mote? 3557. Edmund Dantes - 1/5/2004 5:16:21 PM vonK: Nothing except calling it a day. 3558. jexster - 1/10/2004 5:24:11 PM Take the Cure...been by the Fray lately....you wonder liberal consrvative 80% make you wonder are these people really allowed to vote! 3559. jexster - 1/10/2004 5:25:58 PM But face it Eddie...you have tried this before and know full well you cannot resist the siren call...I am the monkey on your back The Mote | Mote Archive
...off topic.
You pay for a "black box" + a small montly fee.
Each source will be from a satellite. One is called XM Satellete Radio; the other : Sirius Satellite Radio.
If any of you know something of these services, I would appreciate your comments.
i seen and read some on this
what is your question?
Is there going to be selection? Classical? Country & Western? Brodway?
Or is it going to be this boring "Top 50" "stuff" that is availble locally. I live in the boondocks.
Is there going to be selection? Classical? Country & Western? Brodway?
depends if you believe what is said by Sirius. they claim "50 channels of commercial-free music, and up to 50 channels of news, sports, and entertainment". it'll work basically like cable TV, with no commercials.
of course, they also claim CD quality, but i'll believe it when i hear it. all in all, not bad for $10, but i'm not interested - i don't listen to the radio that much and with several stations to choose from, i can usually find something to listen to.
Thank you much!
As the extraordinarily laid-back host of N&Q, shouldn't I still get a request to move posts? Then, if I don't execute, the heavies rumble into Tombstone and rearrange the furniture? Just asking.
The only other people who can delete posts are moderators, and they can delete any post for an RoE violation. You can delete any post for any reason at all, including your whim as Thread Lord.
We had problems yesterday, see Suggestions. And from the FAQ, just so's you know I'm not making this up:
A thread host can delete a post for any reason at all. If the forum administrator determines that a thread host is abusing this privilege, he or she will be removed from that position. Most thread hosts have deleted only a few posts.
A thread host can also move posts to the Inferno, if they feel it is appropriate for that thread.
The forum administrator can delete any post that violates the RoE, and will often delete posts that are wreaking HTML havoc. In general, the forum administrator will not delete posts that violate the tone of a thread, which is a host privilege
If you have any questions, feel free to ask the moderators in Suggestions.
I'm not questioning the right to delete of the Ubervolk. It's more a procedural, even courtesorial check. Anyway, thanks for the response.
As you now IndianaJones has left us because of RL pressures. We hope to see him back. However this left the position as Gatekeeper vacant.
I'm happy to announce that one of the most loved and most respected Moties has volunteered for the job.
Laaaadies and Gentlemen! I give you:
TheDiva!
(And don't forget she comes fully equipped with racks, wedeges and wax
You might like these new digital FM technologies. I stopped listening to the radio since I hate commercials. But my digital cable offers 50 plus channels of uninterrupted programming. Now I'm in pig heaven listeing as I post to the mote.
Both of these threads will be retired this evening and move to the archives.
I'm pleased to see that we have the same view on RIP policy. When a non-perennial thread runs out of steam it should be pruned.
Sometimes it is not the matter of what the deed was...
...but that the deed was done. This is the measurement that clearly identifies the insidious nature of a person despite efforts of that person to project differently.
Sadly, in this case, underlying spite to respect and respect for others was clearly exposed to one who offered honorable respect. Lack of respect to others is a lack of one's self-respect. Sadly as well, is the propensity of this type to justify actions as trivial in consequence when confronted.
Thus saying 'you know who you are' in this instance will truly be lost in it's own proving.
What the hell are you talking about?
Dat iz all.
Get off the PC and try to absorb a little experience from real-life. You may not last long ..but it really is what it's all about.
Perhaps I should also suggest a little less altitude as the effects of anoxemia are indeed evident in most of your en-light-enments.
...but I do go on here.
For anybody contemplating a used-car purchase, I found a very interesting article here. It covers something I didn't know anything about:
Curbstoners
Interesting, partly because I read an article about curbstoners last week, and that wasn't the source. But it is a worthwhile "watch-out" message.
Cool beans all the way around. No doubt the Mongolian Horde of New Members approaches.
Cool beans all the way around. No doubt the Mongolian Horde of New Members approaches.
Shit happens.... 
Yer were just a victim of wrong-place-wrong-time circumstance.
Sorry.
What is in the box on your screen? There is nothing on my screen.
What is the wrong place and the wrong time? How do I stay away from it in the future? I accept your apology. But I am a little puzzled. Do you blow up at your friends that way? or just the new kids on the mote? Initiation or welcome wagon? I could really use some more information.
awa
How do I add my e-mail address to the public list?
Before I react to that...how old are you? I don't wish to inflict pain or psychological discourse on one that may still be tendering impressionable development.
I could really use some more information.
...welcome wagon.
Try where there isn't any.
I haven't seen him in some time, but at one point he was posting over in TT as CeeArr. I don't know if he does so any longer but that's the last I heard. There are likely others who know more.
Post it here or in the Cafe. I'll add it this weekend and upload the updated file on Monday.
I want to construct some built-in bookshelves in a little niche in my kitchen. The space is about 2 feet wide, 2 feet deep, and 8 feet high. What is the best way to proceed (in general terms)? Nail studs to the wall both vertically and horizontally, then add the shelves and the walls? And then paint?
Rsvp in H&G at your leisure.
Sorry for not responding sooner. I missed your message the first time through.
What Diva said (post it here and we'll get it entered).
Let's dance.
--Aldous Huxley
Can you email some information about epinions.com? I've registered, posted a couple of reviews (and made 47 cents already). I think it might be a useful promotional vehicle for the mote if I can figure out how to use it. BTW, I trust you. Nobody else yet, but I trust you.
I'll be glad to e some thoughts on epinions. I posted a summary a while back in the old Internet thread. If I can find it in the archives, I'll send or repost that as well.
I think we might be able to do some limited promotion at epinions but only at a secondary level. They tend to frown on direct solicitations (as one might expect).
How does one comb through them? I can't find a link on the home page. Jeez, you'd think a thread host would know the answer to such questions. You'd be wrong.
The Mote archives page will be ready... some time soon, I think. There is a rough version available here.
Jay--
There's about 15 posts or so about epinions starting at 1012 in this thread. Let me if you have other questions.
It's an interesting concept. I don't see how it's a money making concept, really. Wait and see. The money will eventually get converted to points that you can use to discount purchases of items you buy through the site.
But, hey, I'm up $1.17 in only three days. Can't ask for much more than that.
That's amazing. When I first started, I got about 12 cents the first week.
One piece of advice: slow your rate of posting way down. At least if you want to maximize the reward/effort ratio. Post no more than one a day.
You should. And I'm guessing that most of your earnings comes from Income Share, right?
If you're serious about committing some time and effort to epinions, post only reviews that will get HR's. Anything else is suicidal, long term.
IF we continue discussing epinions, where should we move the conversation? Cafe?
all: Please post any continuing epinions discussion in Slow Thread.
I'm doing a rebuild of the mail database. MS doesn't support my doing so without taking down IIS. I've left IIS up anyway. If it goes down, it will be for a couple of hours early tomorrow morning.
Congratulations!
Both of these sites reference them:
1
2 (Scroll down a bit and you can see a few individual vehicles listed.
"A pamphlet, "Your Driving Costs," is available from AAA Auto Club South Headquarters, 1515 North Westshore Boulevard, Tampa, FL 33607; or by calling Randy Bly at (813) 289-5934."
You may find something useful at this site.
Our Swedest correspondent has something lurking in his mind. Notice his "ionnocent" double entendres in the Sports and H&G thread. As we all know, the words "snatch" and "slip" connote his real meaning far better than he intended.
mmm, mmm, MMM.
And rest assured that I am familiar with all connotations of all English words.
Excuse me.
So, for example, suppose I left this italics tag open....
the next person would come along and post a closing tag (the first characters in this post are </i> to close off the italics.
The "toys" comment is actually a way to check to see if all the toys are closed off. If you just posted the closing tag with no text, you wouldn't be able to tell if you'd fixed the problem.
Where is the complaint department?
so many posts, so little time. I can't read it all.
Thank you for letting me spout off.
ALL:
Have a good day!
Please do not ream out the arrogant prick, A-5 without giving advance notice, as there are those of us who want to cheer you on.
Thank you for putting my post in "lights".
I get very little chance to post, as I would like, seeing that I'm usually at the office 14-16 hrs a day on the average. (My "contributions" are generally nothing more than darting in-and-out like a sewing machine needle between the hectic-ities, and are nowhere near the caliber as many here.) However I do enjoy spending my quiet moments, (when my co-animals are either off to lunch or playing nicely on their own), with the always-interesting folks found splashing around in the Mote. As crazy as this place appears at times, it actually provides me with a sanity gauge/attitude adjustment when I seem to need it most.
Again, thank you for your consideration, and I do hope to see around more often. I mean, seeing that many initially think, and ask, if we are Mr. and Mrs Wabbit...haha.
Sincerely
small thing:
any thread host can add links to Topics of Interest (indeed, this is true, i added the 'when can i wear white' link to Inferno unbeknownst to anyone else, haha)
Whaddarya telling me?
i'm saying that more than likely, wabbit did not put your post in 'lights' herself but that it was one of the many thread hosts currently active (my best guess is Pelle or ChrisO)
Ducks:
Are you implying that when to wear white is NOT of the utmost importance?
haha, no, no! i learned a lot from that discussion. i'm just saying i took it upon myself to link it in so others may learn from theMote's fashion mavens
The 'White Rule' is not about fashion, it is about style.
see, learn something everyday
NO matter how hard I resist at times, I still learn something everyday.
The 'White Rule' is not about fashion, it is about style.
I definately couldn't have known that! (For all the obvious reasons dah-ling)
In fact, it was me who lit your post (tip of my hat to Joe Zan). I have had so little Mote time for several months, I feel like a ghost. I have just quit my day job and am now teaching more or less full time, but hope to be able to spend more time here.
I've always enjoyed our shared name thang -- bring on the confusion!
DIVA!!
D'Oh!
Stick with me, kid. I won't steer ya wrong, I promise.
honey, you got style to burn....
ok, but only cuz you promised! 
wabbit
Hi! I was beginning to think you were a phantom host.
I am only a pseudophantom.
And a belated Happy Birthday to you!
wabbit
Thank you. Mazeltov!
Diva,
You wear white from May to Labor Day, and by the time it's been worn and washed all those times through the summer it's a beautiful off-white, almost cream, with splashes of stain--a great beginning for a stunning winter wardrobe.
what is with me?
you are creating for two...
Here is a vanilla version of the archive page. I need to add it to the home page for easy access, and I'll be modifying the format--right now it's just a hack that Alistair put together. My current thought is to list Date Created and Date Ripped, rather than person last posted, and put a list of the conversations created from it as well.
If you have Netscape or Macs, please take a moment to check it out. I've looked at it with the newest version of NS and have seen no problems.
Take comments to Technical.
When I log on I tend to read the greeting as posing instead of posting
which causes a momentary "what?". This is probably more than you want top know.
SELENIUM IS RECOMMENDED. DO YOU TAKE SELENIUM NOW?
I WISH YOU WOULD TALK ABOUT IT IN HEATH THREAD. THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE OVER IN HEALTH WHO WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH YOU. YOU MAY FIND THERE ARE OTHERS WITH SIMILAR ISSUES.
AltaVista is exiting the free ISP bidness. Their provider, 1stUp.com, is going belly up. AV is not replacing them.
Furthermore, BlueLight/KMart's provider, Spinway, is also biting the big electron. In this case, Kmart is buying up their assets. Too much at stake for them, I suppose.
Bad news on the free ISP front.
I am not surprised.
I wonder how long Yahoo/Geocities will keep offering free web accounts?
(pat, pat)
There, there. I'm sorry, sweets.
Or is that the death march?
We're talking about cable and ISPs in the Cafe now, as it happens.
TROJ_SHOCKWAVE.A (New worm reported in-the-wild)
TROJ_SHOCKWAVE.A (a.k.a. W32/Creative or W32/Prolin) is a new worm, which was reported in-the-wild by several Internet users.
Upon execution, TROJ_SHOCKWAVE.A mass-mails itself to all users in the Microsoft Outlook address list:
Subject: A great Shockwave flash movie
Message Body: Check out his new flash movie that I download just now...It's Great
File Attachment: CREATIVE.EXE
TROJ_SHOCKWAVE.A also contains a payload, which attempts to move all
".JPG" and ".ZIP" files to the C:\ root directory.
Regardless, since there is no Notices and Queries thread, and this is BIG NEWS, Jack Vincennes. My new persona will be introduced on the first day of 2001 and he will come replete with an action figure.
I'm assuming, of course, that the gist of the announcement is more accurate than his reason for posting it in the Inferno.
NetZero, the free ISP, just announced a $10 surcharge on anybody who goes over 40 hours a month. For under 40 hours a month, the service remains free. Another nail...
Now everybody can ignore this thread until it hits the bottom. :)
Someday, you'll need this thread. It'll be something really important. Perhaps an avalanche is rushing down on somebody's chalet. Maybe an enraged herd of moose, spooked by a comment in the Inferno, suddenly change direction. They charge straight at Someone Near And Dear To You. And you can't warn them because the Notices and Queries thread has been CANCELLED.
Oh, sure, laugh now...
Hey, I like this thread. I am just advocating "laissez-faire" thread ordering. :)
I have a question: is there a coin collector in the house? Actually, it's paper money I need help with...my son found an old bill that has "Government of Japan" in English across the front of the bill and it is a one Peso note. I'm thinking it came from the Phillipines...anyone know if the Japanese ever issued money in Peso notes? There is kanji writing all over the bill but I know no one who reads kanji.
Oh, great...NOW I remember the word; I should have asked "Is there a numismatist in the house?" Or is "numismatologist" the more acceptable term?
Msgreer:
It's for the Mote Movie: The Cast....it's listed in the Cafe sidebar. For instance, CalGal is Sigorney Weaver, Arky is Holly Hunter, Diva is Madeline Ruhl, and all the guys are either Mel Gibson, Sean Connery, or Harrison Ford. (Just kidding, guys!) I am Darryl Hannah from "Splash" because at the time we made up the list, cazart was calling me Pilotfish so I figured go with it.
Check it out and see how everyone matches up to their online personality before you decide who to cast as yourself...
JAH, IJ:
Do I get to cast myself? Or am I too new?
The only one around here who reads Kanji is PE, as far as I know. He is on vacation in Germany and Peshawar until mid-January.
Here is what I have observed about my own personality that might be helpful. I'm a bit nosey (but not like that woman in Bewitched), I tend to get myself into trouble quite often, I have a tendency to give out TMI, I rarely have a clue as to what people are actually talking about, I have a tendency to be a bit sensitive, I'm immature, and a bit spacey. Ok, I'm a total space cadet.
So if those of you with SOUND minds would maybe think of someone for me, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Then if someone would teach me how to send the picture...
What do you mean by "send the picture"? Publish it in the Mote?
Based on the description of your physical appearance and personality, I suggest Heather Locklear.
I know that there is a way to send pictures, but I only know how to post an url to a picture.
They don't know you neither could I speak to the "owner" at Martinez Feed Bag place....
If ya wanna have lunch sometime. .... email me and I'll give you my Phone# jmac@sfsu.edu
Tomorrow we go skiing in a place 600 km north-east of here near the border with Norway. See you Saturday.
Thanks.
Anise: Did you wish to be added as Heather Locklear?
Heather Locklear is a bodacious blonde babe on the outside, but a bright and very ambitious person on the inside. Not quite the vibe I'm getting for you.
I mentioned over in the Cafe that DanDillon must be Edward Herrman.
Cast me as either Orson Welles or Oliver Reed (w. beard)
Thanks
But you can still call me Electric.
01/01/01
If you have the time, I'd like to be Louise Brooks in the Mote Movie. Thanks. 
Not too crazy about the garammatical content of that opening..."would not of won"???
Not too crazy about the garammatical content of that opening..."would not of won"???
Hhahahahahahaha.....garammatical. The irony of the critic being hoist on her own petard!
Indiana, I don't know how to put the picture here so I'm leaving the url instead. I really like silent movies and I think I would be better as Lillian Gish. Thanks.
I got a notice too. im-ur is using a news article format for what we have been doing for years. They've gotten notice of the New York Times. I've read around in there and some of it is interesting and some of it is absurd. It is sure to be a place a crackpot can expose their idiocy. It is also a place where someone with thoughtful and inciteful information could win $500 bucks. Well, it seems kinda interesting.
I just took a look and it does seem interesting. But did you mean "inciteful" or insightful? "Thoughtful and inciteful" don't usually go together.
Ironically, based on the rating system, I think only the inciteful stuff stands a chance of winning the monthly prize. Much the pity.
Wombat: Either of these okay? Reed Welles
The Reed shot looks good IMO, though I don't know how old you are in RL. I'd prefer you as Orson Welles because we need him for such a big production, but am having a hard time finding a good shot of him with beard and without anyone else in the picture.
Cal: I have to confess I don't know who Edward Hermann is, and a quick Google search didn't pull up any actors for the first two screens of links.
Manon walks out of the room; her long hair swaying in rythm with her hips.
Snerk!
I'd go with Welles. I am not as fat as Oliver Reed in that picture, nor am I as old. Thanks for digging those up!
Next question: Who are the men in the Mote Calendar? I recognize Sto and Pelle, but the others?
Edward Hermann does those minivan ads where he stands around after having added/removed seats in a few seconds.
He was the master vampire in Lost Boys.
March - Irv and Prof
April - Riv
May - Ducky
June - Frank
July - Cellar
August - labwab
December - DanD 
It's Edward Herrmann, I misspelled it. I'm too lazy to chop this picture in half, though.
He's the one on the right.
Franklin and Eleanor
leave it to me for slips of the tongue.
I meant insightful, but the inciting content is definitely of dubious motivation.
Merely reading a guileful article will promote its status with hit marks. That deters me from reading them and blasting with both barrels. But, maybe some of those here will.
I think an article is brewing and I might start it soon. Perhaps it will have hit marks and reach the front page. That being part of the motivation. I would be interested in knowing of the monikers we Moties will use upon entering the im-ur adventure. I have given an answer and remarks using What_can_I_do.
Really!!! It's no wonder the movers and the shakers at Table Talk make fun of you, claiming that you're all Amway salespeople.
We're just tearing down the house, and putting all the Christmas knickknacks away. So much junk, so many good memories.
The 8-foot tree just went out the front door and someone needs to vacuum.
I don't mind doing it but I hate the noise.
Rutherford.
ES,
I never saw The Piano. I'm not taking Christmas decorations down until Sunday since we were out of electricity so long.
I've been hanging around waiting for Bob to get back from LR, and he just popped in, so now my Friday social book is filled! ;-)
Talk to y'all later!
Slide:
It's no wonder the movers and the shakers at Table Talk make fun of you, claiming that you're all Amway salespeople.
Movers and shakers, indeed....surely you mean people who are too fat to "move" their ass and who "shake" when they laugh at you due to excess poundage in their bellies?
I'll try a different site. 
I think this is better.
"Is there anything more pathetic than educated, attractive adults on a Friday night thinking about and/or picking out semi-famous movie "stars" that they want people to associate themselves with."
I thought of the perfect Mote casting for you: Chris Cooper in American Beauty. Preferably a picture of him crossing the street in the rain to "visit" Kevin Spacey. It would be perfect!
Fielding:
The picture opposite Rosettas name in The Cast is the quintessential Slide....dead bang on!
Rick:
I don't know when, and I'm not sure what I'll be posting about. But look for a barn-burning article by KilgoreTrout.
Instead, IJ, living in his own fantasy world and looking for brownie points, picked airhead but attractive movie stars for you.
For example, I've always said that you look and act like Lucianne Goldberg's evil twin sister--before the tummy tuck. www.lucianne.com
And you claim, that even though you're in your early '60s, that you spike your hair.
Slide:
I am not in my early 60s...you have me confused with your wife.
And if you look more like Robert Downey than Marty Feldman, I'll go to the BushBash on a white horse wearing only a smile and Chanel #5.
For a man who thinks the newly grouted and spackled Linda Tripp ia an attractive woman, I wouldn't exactly consider you the arbiter of all that is lovely in womanhood, anyhow.
I want to make an offical protest to the death threats you routinely make toward me, Slide.
And I'm not like you....I like the way I look and wouldn't have done to me what Tripp had done to herself for anything. She's still the same, anyhow...they don't have "soul" lifts.
CalGal:
Chris Cooper is indeed a fine actor. He did a wonderful job in American Beauty playing a man torn by his deeply repressed homoeroticism. This is why he would be perfect for Slide.
I know what part he played in American Beauty. It is irrelevant.
Besides--Stone is the arsonist in The Longest Yard.
arky:
The picture IJ linked in the cast is more you than the one JJ linked. And it's perfect casting...Holly Hunter was in much more than The Piano Player ....she's a southern girl with a soft accent and strong personality who speaks her mind and doesn't take guff from anyone. She's you.
Thanks, Judith. I'll have to make a point to catch her in a movie.
It was years ago, now, but that's my memory.
If I may so bold as to suggest a title, see Always. Hunter stars with Richard Dreyfus and John Goodman. She is absolutely adorable in it.
GJ:
You read my mind...those are the most "Arky" like! Well, except for the cheerleaders mom, who was a little too forceful in her conflict resolution mode.
I wasn't meaning to be snippy™ about it. I remember that from Cal's site well.
Thanks for the suggestions on the movies, y'all. I'll have to rent at least one or two and tie Bob down to watch them.
CalCal is wrong most of the time so it could be her mistake.
It would be fun if she linked that fray profile site so newbies could read her reflections of fray people.
In particular I would think that IJ would like to read CalCal's profiles of JadeGold and Don S (the former PilotTrousers).
She never did one on me, thank goodness.
ES:
and Don S (the former PilotTrousers)
With your usual penchent for accuracy, you got that wrong....it was TrouserPilot.
Unless you were referring to an airmans G-suit.
PLEASE READ THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT NEWS TO ALL GUYS THAT GO OUT TO
CLUBS OR BARS
Men, be more alert and cautious when getting a drink offer from a girl.
Good girls out there, please forward this message to your guy friends.
And girlfriends, take heed.
There is a new drug that is in liquid form. The drug is now being used by female sexual predators at parties to induce their male victims to have sex with them. The shocking news is that the drug is available virtually anywhere!
It goes by the street name "Beer".
All girls have to do is buy a "Beer" or two for almost any guy and then simply ask the guy home for no-strings-attached sex.
Men are rendered literally helpless against such tactics.
Please! Forward this to everyone you know...
grannypatsy: The only picture I've been able to locate so far doesn't look very flattering to me. Do you have another or do you mind one in which Dame Rutherford has a bit of a chin?
arky: If you didn't ask to be Holly Hunter, it must have been a choice during the original cafe discussion that someone else suggested for you (not me). If you'd like it removed or replaced, just ask here or via email.
Cal: In light of the above, I think it best to not do anyone else without their requesting it.
grannypatsy: The only picture I've been able to locate so far doesn't look very flattering to me. Do you have another or do you mind one in which Dame Rutherford has a bit of a chin?
arky: If you didn't ask to be Holly Hunter, it must have been a choice during the original cafe discussion that someone else suggested for you (not me). If you'd like it removed or replaced, just ask here or via email.
Cal: In light of the above, I think it best to not do anyone else without their requesting it.
No, I don't mind a bit. That was done very early on, I don't know by whom. I just hadn't really thought about it, and with the other discussions I got curious since I'd never seen her in a movie, and I wondered what she was like, and as always around here, I got a lot of good info.
I don't know why there's a double post by me eight minutes apart above.
I Know What I Want For X-Mas 2001!
I just read Message # 1494:
". . . female[s] . . . induce their male victims to have sex with them.. . .
"All girls have to do is buy a "Beer" or two for almost any guy and then simply ask the guy home for no-strings-attached sex.
"Men are rendered literally helpless against such tactics."
I'm stumped. What's the beer for?
(Oh, I get it. It's a trap. Line was too long to see it.)
I have been a very sparce poster on the Mote for quite a while now and I am inclined to tell you why. At least two things happened in close proximity -- the Christmas season started, and you asked me how my website was coming. Thus began a frenzy of activity. I believe that I once described my workshop as "The Gothic Womb" and I believe that you were looking forward to pictures of this amazing enclosure. Well, in order to show pictures of this space I had to do some finish work to it. I installed new windows in the block building perhaps two years ago and never trimmed them out or finished them off. I still take a good deal of my electricity from four light sockets on the ceiling. I took pictures of the shop but those extension cords hanging from the ceiling and unfinished windows ruined the effect. In short, I was ashamed. It was the gothic womb only in my imagination.
So........along with the Christmas rush I attempted to make improvements to the shop, spurred on by your casual inquiry concerning my website. Also, we had our kitchen refinished the week before Christmas. Naturally difficulties arose and it was incomplete for the Christmas holidays, though we did have a working oven and cooktop.
Yes, yes, its true, I Uzmakk of the Steppe--nomad, gypsy, dweller on the edge of society have had my bohemian linolium torn up to be replaced by ceramic tile. (Did the tearing myself actually: 2 days with a 20 lb iron bar). Perhaps I will photograph that still life that popped into my head: Laid out on the new black GE Profile cooktop is my 12 cup Japanese porcelain teapot flanked by a shiny stainless steel pot and pan, all items are state of the art, and a caption that reads Uzmakk Capitulates to the Military Industrial Complex.
Anyhow, there is much more to tell but that's all for now.
Russian Fairy Tales, Swedish Fairy Tales, Grimm's Fairy Tales and several books in Polish. ?
My intellectual powers have been drained by a bit of controversy over in International so I am not now capable of answering such a worthy correspondent as yourself. It is also cole to midnight. No, I have nothing to do with those books. It must be some other sdmirer.
I have a rather lengthy series of posts to you sketched out. They are based largely in reality with a bit of fantasy thrown in. Where shall I post them? Topic: Me, You, Work, The Mote, Moties, God, The Universe. (You know, the usual stuff.)
Sounds like Philosophy and Religion. Not much activity over there. I look forward.
It looks like the "Travel Thread" is a go.
I'm soliciting suggestions for the butter bar. If anyone would like to see something linked, either post it here or e-mail me at fielding99@hotmail.com
Thank you.
I've linked it in before, but hopefully this is going in pretty soon. So check it out and see if there's nothing you can't live with.
Post comments in Technical, thanks.
At any rate, it occurs to me that I can send this work of which I am quite proud on its own little world tour via the Mote. ---this is rediculous, have to get out of here because the floor refinishers are here. I tell you folks, I have a real hard time getting to my favorite internet site-- Anyway, there is much more to my proposal, my mot(e)ivation , exactly what I think I'm doing etc.. But to the point I would like a list of volunteers who would be interested in recieving my fine binding of Aubrey Beardsley in full black goatskin, a Viking studio book that I picked up in sections at a little bookshop in Nyack, NY. The book is not for sale, I intend to keep it for the rest of my life (it being my first born and all) There is quite a bit more to this but the sanders are running and pretty soon I will not be able to leave the house.Later.
Oh yes, me too, definitely!!! (This is fate...I have a Beardsley Calendar above my desk right now.)
One book is hardly a portfolio but that is all I have right now. One book is hardly a good show, but we have only just begun. What I want from Moties is a bit of moral support: "Rah Uz!, Go Uz. Nice work Uz." I sure don't want no yes men. I am wide open to criticsim. Upon seeing my work don't spare me any more that you would spare me in the Mote. (Though I have a feeling some of you are very merciful types). I am certain that there is many a Motie who prides himself in his asthetic sense, I mean why not show my work among this group first. But there is more.
Thank you in advance, friends.
(to be continued)
_____________________
A note to Mr. Pelle Nilsson:
Please remember, Pelle, that you are dealing with a man who was completely ambivalent about getting a computer. I have not played a computer game or nintendo for years. I tired of that stuff within a couple of months. I do not work with a computer and am not inclined to become computer savvy.
I tried to press my sons into working on my website the last couple of weeks of summer vacation, but they half-assed their way out of it. I intend to press them into service as soon as the school year is out and I shall bring the hammer down hard. It is certainly for their own good. What are sons for, after all?
Also, I am in no hurry to have those pictures appear on the web. I will take new ones next week for before shots, but let me put a coat of gray paint on the machinery and guild the bolts, and paint the floor and a few other things before I make a public appearance. I am, after all, a shy and retiring type.
(I'm a nice guy, but a CUTTHROAT CRITIC. (g))
Uz:
If you set up a schedule for mailing, please send it to me before CM...I want to include one of my business cards for his collection. Also, we should all agree to insure this package for how much? Since it's irreplacable, Uz should set the amount...
Uz:
I have an idea...we should all send you our home addresses; you send it to the first address, then that person lets you know it's arrived; you e-mail them the next address. That way, if anyone is squeamish about having their home address mailed all over, it won't have to be. (I wouldn't mind but some people might.)
That sounds right...they surely would protect something of more value...although I've never had any problems with lost stuff from them, even cheapos.
Uz, me too, please!!
I too would like to see and feel your oeuvre but I don't feel comfortable about it taking a transatlantic journey.
I'm going to publish those pictures regardless because they are very interesting. But a few lines from you to accompany each of them would be very helpful. It won't take you more than half an hour, I'm sure.
Uz, this is outside the scope of your project, but I just thought of an interesting variation. Could not the book be passed on from hand to hand?.... but face-to-face meetings are a whole nother thing, and would perhaps denature the bookish experience.
I thought of that because I was speculating that it would be easy enough to find a transatlantic "special courier" to get it to the old continent.
You are good. Very good.
re: The danger of a transatlantic journey and the book's safety among the savage Europeans. As I have already said, a risk I am willing to take. In fact, I would be disappointed if the journey did not include an antipodian leg.
Pelle: I will come up with a few captions this morning and send them via e-mail. (Willful Swede bastard.)
Uz
I'm expecting a visit from Mr. Socko in March (last I heard, he's pretty rotten about details) - in any case, I know he's plannning on a spring trip to the US. If you're planning on a face-to-face handoff, you might get the book to him early on in the tour so he can ferry it with him to the US.
Email received. I will incorporate the text and publish (on your site).
Do you want us to send you our home addresses? If so, what is your e-mail...
Me too, please.
Yes, Jay, but some of us are stuck at home....
:-)
Frank is going to France, too...
haysweep@hotmail.com. I will start checking that address regularly.
Uz:
I am sending you my home address from my private e-mail so if you respond, do so at that e-mail rather than on the public one; I check the private one every day.
Jay:
There are several and even one coming from the next state to stay at my house (Arky). I was just teasing you about going to France because I would oh so very much like to do so myself!
What difference does that make? If anyone messes this up I will have his nuts.( Just kidding folks...sort of.)
Jay:
At the risk of sounding mawkish, I love Paris...in the springtime.
There's one thing I'll never understand. You can walk into just about any of those coffee bars they have there and have a really good cup of espresso. And here, in the US, you just can't get a good cup of espresso.
Boy, do I hear you there! Paris is a coffee drinkers nirvana...
I like the espresso in Italy, too...
Say, where is that Travel thread of Fieldings, anyhow?
You can at my house.
say it ain't so! My heart is breaking.
Considering the second half of that post, it would leave others on which to deflect blame (I dunno what happened! It was like that when I got it.)?
If Uzmakk can locate someone who is going to New Zealand shortly Snowowl could bring the book to me next week.
You still get more than a flavoring of wonderful Italian milieu in large (but not uniform) chunks of the West Village - places like Carmine, Cornelia and parts of Bleeker Streets.
Well, not now that I've suggested that possibility, but the security of knowing it would be an option might make me less reticent about handling it. However, now if something was wrong with it when I got it you probably wouldn't believe me, either!
But enough of this sick humor--If your book passed through my hands I would treat it with the utmost care and respect, and in the event the dog did get hold of it, I would fess up and admit Diva did it! (and I wouldn't be lying)
Arky:
(That was funny!)
Hey, y'all need to check out that link Pelle offered...it's too cool!
Gennaro. Haven't been since 1986. I do remember those little pockets on Carmine, Bleecker, etc. sigh
Pelle:An immediate shot to New Zealand is not possible. I think I will construct small wooden frame for shipping purposes that will go around the book and fit into a regular size cardboard box. Hey, this is pretty cool. Logistics. If Ackroyd wants to take the thing across the Atlantic in his suitcase that is fine but my little shipping container will have to be sent to Europe empty for further travel. I mean one wouldn't send something like this to Uzbekistan without a solid little container.
Gracie is looking to do a science project on the effect light - particularly flash from cameras - has on paintings/drawings/etc. How would she search for info on this? Would it be under art restoration, for example? Is there a term for it?
Thanks.
Uz...let me know if you received my e-mail.
PROTECTION FROM LIGHT DAMAGE
(Also has a bibliography.)
Prof, you'da thunk that would have occurred to my hormone-addled brain.
I got your email.
If I may continue posting concerning my little project --
Now as AUBREY makes his way around the world. I am supposed to be working on my 7 fine pieces, but "7 fine pieces" is too nebulous a phrase and gives me too much wiggle room, so I must specify that on which I will be working. I must come up with a list of things that are to be, but which are not yet. I am going to work as hard on this list as I intend to work on the objects named on the list, for I am a salesman, after all, and business is our culture and culture is our business and such a list is called a prospectus. A prospectus will follow on this thread some time next week for your examination.
Hey, Uz.
Just visited Pelle's link to your work in the Cafe. Fascinating stuff. Must be extremely rewarding.
Uz:
I fake it. Just a hobby, really, and not one which I have pursued with any gusto lately. The past few years, my most creative endeavors have been limited to writing personal blurbs in Christmas cards we send to those we really like.
BTW - do you remember a loooonnnggggg post of mine from many moons ago, wherein I was gushing over the collection of ancient bibles I had viewed at a local private museum?
And, did you per chance see Judith's post of a few days ago, wherein she linked a story about a Christian theme park which is soon to open near Disneyworld?
Well, that is where this (recently departed) man's collection of bibles (the world's largest private collection) and biblical relics is going.
I remember that post.
Did you see what Juno is trying to do in order to keep an income stream?
Juno Pulls Out All the Starts :
Internet provider Juno Online Services Inc. has devised a way to help underwrite its struggling free service: have subscribers leave their computers running 24 hours a day and sell the excess processing power.
The plan announced Thursday to create a "virtual supercomputer" is indicative of the hard times being felt by purveyors of free Internet service.
This is done on some sort of SETI project, too.
Well, that certainly sounds like something your Governor will be real excited about.
I've Punch, Volume 9, 1845, published at The Office, 92, Fleet Street, a compilation of all Punch articles of that year, complete but needing covers and binding. You do such work? How much, how can I get ahold of you?
ScottLoar
Uz:
Yes...as a matter of fact, didn't you post something about it a few months ago?
Hundreds of engravings all done by one guy - something about the materials used for the pages, too...can't remember. 
Elijah
Beautiful!
Are you going to put yourself on my Aubrey Beardsley world tour location list?
It sounds like the kind of stuff I could easily do. Options are many. I can give a price only after I have seen the work. If you would like to attempt a ballpark figure you can contact me at haysweep@hotmail.com and I will send you my personal e-mail address.
i.e., nice link, Joezan
Did you see what Juno is trying to do in order to keep an income stream?
One thing Juno is going to lose is my money every month...they tripled my fee for Internet Connection which is the reason for me going to cable...my new cable service will only be $4 more than what Juno wants to charge me for a very iffy dial-up connection.
Elijah and two ravens? Interesting.
Just read the Juno article. Very interesting concept but it seems kinda desperate. Hard to believe it could be the difference between success and failure. Maybe some other departures are in the works as well.
And I didn't realize it was offered free until reading it here.
For the longest time, the only ISP's offered in the more populated areas of this county were Juno and, I think, Sirus(sp?). And both charged $24.99 a month until recently.
The engraving depicts Elijah being brought food by the Ravens - from
1 Kings.
I don't understand why Judith was being charged, though. I thought it was free.
It started out as a free e-mail service; when they went with ISP service, they charged $19.95 and then they did a promo at $9.95 so I got mine reduced to that for almost a year...then, they decided I use too much of their precious time and increased it to $29.95. I said pfui.
I can't wait for my cable!
Has anyone heard of this before?
We've been aware of this problem for over three years.
I thought he had a trip planned to India prior to the quake...he'd mentioned being able to birdwatch while there. Does anyone know which area he's from...it's a big place, you know.
(I didn't mean that last part in a snotty way.)
Mr Banks is from Goa, a long way from the earthquake. He also hangs out in Mumbai (Bombay), also far off.
GOA! How could I have forgotten. Thank you, Pelle.
I was mistaken. 
On this map, the epicentre of the earthquake was approximately in the middle of "Ahmedabad" some 400 km north-north-west of Bombay. Goa is a another 400 km to the south.
As far as I know there have been no reports of damages in Bombay.
He didn't say, but from what he has posted in the past his family and friends are in Bombay and Goa.
I intend to run a tight ship, mister, on my advice thread.
All posts not related to at least somewhat answer-worthy questions and/or their answers will be summarily deleted as I see fit.
The doctor has spoken!
The many who may have wished to participate, in fun originally, can only be loathsome of your "fit"ness. Perhaps the remaining few, who would thus demonstrate an obvious inability to grasp that which amounts to nothing more than homage to a egocentrical fool, would remain,...at that risk.
May your thread suffer a hastened debasement, and you dear dicktor be subjected to "summary deletion".
I need a place to host a training session for about a dozen people in San Francisco. The application that's going to be used for training is web-based, so I'm really looking for a small facility with some kind of fast internet connection. Near Fisherman's Wharf is best.
Any ideas?
um, maybe you missed it, but we have an Ask Dr. Coltrane thread.
I might be able to come up with some places. Let me check with a few friends. What sort of timeframe do you have? And will you be out here at the time so we can have lunch, or something?
Microtek--this is more downtown than Fisherman's Wharf, but that's far better for food anyway.
If you are adamant about Fisherman's Wharf, here's an option that has DSL, not T1.
Senior Surfers--they are primarily targeted towards old folks, but they also rent out a lab right at the Maritime Museum--in the basement, and that's apparently for any one, not just seniors. If you're looking to impress clients, this ain't the choice. But if everyone's all set on Fisherman's Wharf for some reason, this may be something to look into. I can email you the contact info, if you're interested.
The Mote, Beardsley Uzmakk World Tour now has a floating middle consisting of a tentative transatlantic flight out of the the NYC area in April. (How appropriate -- crossing the big pond , floating middle) The route thus far appears to be --
You will note the lack of interest in the world tour from the West coast of the United States. No matter, they are a bunch of Philistines who have no idea how to regulate electrical power, and think of nothing but automobiles, sex and surfing.
[Further details to follow tomorrow evening]
I wish Arky had the gumption to commit for she could surely see my etchings, and that Jenerator had not been dissuaded from receiveing "the object" by the ever cautious joezan.
.
Test
Hahahaha!
Email has been sent. If that package ticks when I get it you're in trouble.
Could you please send on the contact information for the Museum options? Jay@ackroyd.org.
msthompsonsclass@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 20:08
Subject: social studies project
Hello!
We are in the third grade at Greenbriar Academy in Durham, North
Carolina.
We are located in Durham County, near Raleigh, which is the capital of North Carolina. Our social studies teacher, Ms. Thompson, is helping us by using her e-mail address as our e-mail receiver.
We have decided to map an e-mail project. We are curious to see where
in the world (which is our topic of study) our e-mail will travel via the Internet.
We will be limiting our time to the period of December 1, 2000 to March 1, 2001 (only 3 months). This is not a pen-pal project, so we will not write you back (unless you request it). We would like your help. If you receive this message, we ask that you:
1) e-mail back at MsThompsonsClass@yahoo.com and tell us your city/state/country/location so we can plot it on our map AND
2) send this letter on to everyone you know so that they can send it on to everyone they know (and so on) to help us reach even more people. (We do not mind receiving repeats so send it on to everyone. We are tracking the number of responses we receive by making a graph using the numbers received by state and country.)
Thank you for any help you can give. Our e-mail address is:
msthompsonsclass@yahoo.com
Your friends,
Greenbriar Academy Third Grade Students
(Ms. Thompson's Social Studies Class)
Durham, North Carolina
I told Igor that I was sending Beardsley out today and he insisted on getting his 2 cents in. He is making an additional shipping container held closed with 2 bone clasps. He is confident that he can have it done by this evening in which case the book will be shipped out to you UPS ground service this evening.
"OIT has learned of a new virus that appears to be very similar to the "I Love You" virus of last year. The message subject of this latest threat is "FW: Here you have, ;o)". If you get a message from someone with this subject, delete it without opening it."
It was rather exciting to send it off. I don't know if you read back to my original posts on this thread but I mentioned a portfolio-prospectus that I was working on. I can't resist telling you what one of the items is--
Just for the pure fun of it. (And maybe to leave for display at yacht club gift stores)
I try to make a point of reading your posts. As you would easiky guess, the latter is my favorite.
goofball toy check
Beardsley will find eager reception.
ScottLoar
What use is that? What does it do?
What about this authorise debaters thingamijig? Can I unauthorise a debater?
The Conversations tag is a way to group posts that follow a certain theme or discussion. For example in the Politics thread there might be a discussion on what exactly it means to be a Republican in the U.S. those posts could be flagged to appear on the Conversations page so anyone could go and read only that conversation rather than having to sift through the entire Politics thread looking for something.
The Debaters tag does not allow you to disable IDs. I believe the idea behind it was setting up debates between two or more specific and knowledgeable members on a particular topic but so far as I know that's never been done. We all like to talk to much to have anyone close us out of a conversation.
I may be incorrect or not wholly correct about the Debaters tag, but since we've never used it I never paid much attention to it.
I've been following your book tour plans with interest and want you to know that the only reason I haven't asked to be added to your list is that my children are capable of vile acts of unpremeditated destruction, and they never sleep.
The illustrated Bible mentioned previously is something I saw advertised in TNR or the NYer some time ago. Beautiful engravings in that.
If you care to, would you describe the work on tour? I've read your posts but don't fully understand.
seadate:
With pleasure. Have to start the afternoon shift. Will give a better description later this afternoon. This will be good for Loar also because I sent no description with the book. (Ofcourse, the book should speak for itself)
Andonly:
I appreciate your attention.
I am eager to see your work.
From ZDNet
already happens
it's why i don't use ICQ
I am waiting for a post from Loar, possibly in Books, off of which to work to describe the book. More fun that way.
When is the book due at my house; do you know?
Who will be sending the book to me? I may want to use an alternate shipping address (to be sure someone is available to receive it, I don't want it left sitting outside my door).
All this time I thought it was ribbed for MY pleasure.
ScottLoar; I wasn't trying to rush anyone. I'd forgotten the schedule. I was merely wondering if it might get here before the weekend, as Arky will be visiting and we can knock off two viewings at once.
I shall make every effort to accomodate you.
Ever your servant,
ScottLoar
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson:
"The package says ribbed for her pleasure, but I turn them inside out."
Currently seadate is the one who will be sending you the book. In the future I will be keeping closer tabs so that I can take care of the kind of situation you describe or anything else that might arise. Why don't you send me the second address and then inform me as to which as to which is prefered as the tour nears Boston.
Feel free to email me at cloudysail@hotmail.com.
Judith,
The first or second weekend in March look ok for me right now.
Cool!
Loar is inspiring. The photography was all his idea. His point was to prove that the book had indeed been in Chicago, but if y'all can't make a trip to yer city's public library, creative photography with the book and a landmark would be more than adequate.
Once again, I thank you for your indulgence.
I'm leaving you today,
Goodbye
Goodbye
Goodbye.
Goodbye all you people,
There's nothing you can say,
To make me change
My mind
Goodbye....
!?!?!?!?!?!?!
That's an odd post, lab.
Baby please don't go,
Baby please don't go,
Down to New Orleans
You know I love you so,
Baby please don't go.
Baby your mind done gone,
Well your mind done gone,
Well your mind done gone,
Baby please don't go.
I e-mailed you a request. Please let me know if you have not received it. Your efforts are appreciated.
Thank you for your attention to this.
We are not judged by how much we can love, but by how much we are loved by others.
hotmail.com
What is going on? I could use your help over in the Inferno.
Email sent.
Labwabbit,
Got it.
I hope you're not taking another extended haitus from us. Did I read you were traveling? Is that it?
An illustrated history of dentistry, coffee table studio type book, bound very similarly to Beardsley. Laid in to the front board I will attempt to reproduce one of the plates, that of an Etruscan "pontic", or false tooth, which consists of a tooth, likely that of an ox, held in place between the healthy teeth of the Etruscan by a gold band. Rivets are used. The teeth will be carved from bone and the band will be laid across them, just as in the photograph. The boards will be laminated and the "image" will be below the surface of the leather.
I like that.
So do I read correctly your opinion of Dems, Uzmakk?
The book didn't arrive yesterday...I'm expecting it this afternoon and hoping it gets here before Arky does!
I am very happy the Mote is back.
Thank you.
Most anxiously,
ScottLoar
A little Danish for your reading enjoyment:
Samtidig havde jeg brug for at fokusere på min jobsituation. Jeg har siddet alt for længe i et job jeg ikke er tilfreds med, og jeg kom til den erkendelse at jeg var nødt til at mobilisere mest mulig energi for at komme ud af denne utilfredsstillende situation.
Hey you guys, I've been thinking about the prospectus I mentioned up thread---should link---I am lazy---and am really looking forward to laying it out for you.
I sent an email to your hotmail account.
You will have the book for a week. Show it to anyone you would like to. Take it anywhere. Do anything with it. I don't care. Then send it on to Arky. I will send you her address if you do not already have it.
Uzmakk
Got new batteries for my camera and did some more shots of the book...one very "Uzmakk of the Steppes"-ish on a reindeer hide.
Check.
No hurry there at all, but I am tremendously looking forward to having the photos dribble in.
By the way, you Survivor-haters should enter it, make your picks at random and laugh your socks off if you win.
I try to stay away from threads where Ace spends a lot of time ever since he recommended Holy Man to me.
But think of the possibilities. If you win, you'll have bragging rights.
You get in, you get out, nobody gets hurt.
Holy Man? Who's he?
Does everyone know about "Modern Humorist" on the web?
It is hit and miss funny, which is a compliment. (Most alleged comedy isn't even that.)
Let me recommend "Paper Maniax" in the archives -- George Plimpton's account of his brief career with the XFL's Memphis Maniax.
Yeah - in fact, I posted "GWB's Rejection Letter to Mumia" (wherein he scolds the murderer for his fall from grace as the "highest-scoring basketball player of all time").
You're right, though - it's hit-or-miss funny.
Did you get your recommendation from Newsweek too?
Now, if you wanna see something really funny,
go here, scroll down, and click on The Animated Oliphant.
My personal favs: For Sale As Is, and Return of the Pardoned.
BTW...when you get to the Oliphant page, you have to pass your cursor over the title of the cartoon at the top, underneath the MSNBC Opinions banner (between the two VCR buttons), and select from the drop-down menu that appears.
I will have the book to you the week before Easter. Not practical. Not on the course. But we are so much more than practical men. Imagine, the Steppe Lord's realm extended to the Northernmost point in Europe. Looking forward to the snaps. Perhaps you will show it to the Laps and you will all yoink together.
We depart April 11.
Gracie did not report the exact time of birth, but knowing her and her mother the phone call was probably within a half hour after the blessed event.
And given how joyful Gracie sounded on the recording I assume mother and baby are fine and resting comfortably.
I called Diva's home number a few minutes ago and the answering machine picked up immediately. Don't know if it was set that way or if Gracie is making further calls from home.
I'm posting here because of the Strictly Enforced no-flame rule in the Survivor thread: One of you is a Wuss.
We're pretty bummed out you didn't get in the Survivor Pool. Especially as how one of you knows the winner 'cause it's rigged and the other knows the winner 'cause it's so predictable now.
So here's the deal: to show us you know what you're talking about, post your picks by Thursday based on the nine remaining contestants. We'll keep track unofficially since you missed the deadline. The One Who Doesn't is, inarguably, a Wuss.
I believe that Mr. Klemow, the solicitor for Sugarloaf Township has argued in court that the La Rock "variance request" for a quarry on land zoned for conservation and agriculture should be summarily dismissed because it has no legal merit, and , in fact, would be dismissed by any court in which the judge could follow a legal argument, or was interested in following a legal argument .
The LaRocks argue for a "variance". Under zoning law a "variance" can be granted because of a "hardship". This hardship is a hardship on the land and does not refer directly to the LaRock family as I am certain most people believe. This is an important distinction, which I will explain.
A "variance" operates under existing zoning laws to resolve conflicts, injustices, hardships that may arise (even) if the law is followed. i.e., injustices or conflicts which arise via the law. I shall give an example.
Variances allow what is already allowable in some form or another under the law.
A quarry is not allowable under current zoning for conservation and agriculture, therefore, one cannot request a variance for a quarry. A variance for a quarry would be a "violation of zoning laws" not remediation of a "hardship" arrived at by following them. Therefore, the case has no merit.
QED
The curious citizen must wonder whether Judge Capellini understands the above argument. If he does, how can he have ruled in favor of the variance? If he does not, is he competent to be a judge? Or, is there something fishy, something mysterious, something smoky and backroomy, and perhaps a little chummy going on? It appears that there is; it is not hard to figure out; the picture is forming; and, ladies and gentlemen, the tale is just begun.
Fedex tracking says pkg should arrive today.
Arky, I'm not as cultured as Judith, so I had to read through a fair amount of the text to get a clue what his art is about. Very interesting his impact on later artists.
Well it may be tomorrow since it's near 5pm your time.
I never imagined Uzmakk was such a craftsman! It's gorgeous all the way through, and the cover, lettering, and binding are beautiful. Scott's description was right on (and more eloquently stated, I might add).
Enjoy the book! (See, I told ya!)
Glad I didn't pay the extra $35 for Fedex overnite. They got it there overnite on a 2day shipment.
The virus contains the following encrypted text:
ARF! ARF! I GOT YOU!@ v1rus: Judges Disemboweler. By: The Judges Disemboweler,
written in Malmo (Sweden).
Think Pelle has a lot of idle time on his hands?
Seadate, I am repenting.
Changing the subject, do you have access to fresh shrimp? If not, I'll bring some.
Just checked H&G and have the very thing for breakfast, thanks to marshame.
Please see Inferno 7372.
Sponsor: Francis Urquart (R-VA)
Cosponsors: Janjon (D-NY), Indiana Jones (R-VA), alistair (D), AceofSpades (R-NY)
alistair (G).
Are there any Computer Gamers out there?
I'm looking for a good game, and I'd like a recommendation.
I don't like Role-Playing Games. Or rather, I like Action games, and I don't mind a trivial RPG component. But I don't like talking to computer characters and that bullshit.
So, I'm looking for action, strategy, flight or racing games, in that order of preference. And re flight games and war games, I prefer arcade-style action over real simulation. I once bought a Jane's Apache Longbow simulator, and please don't get me started on that. I don't want to have to enroll in actual flight school to fly a F***ing helicopter.
All recommendations are welcome.
I have Sony Playstation.
I want a recommendation as to the most violent, interesting and balls-out action game. Like Doom. Where I hold the gun and shoot everythng.
Thanks in advance.
I had a computer game called "Soldier of Fortune." I believe it has been, or will be, adapted for Playstation platforms.
It is recommended. It is the most gruesomely realistic shoot-em-up ever created. The big selling point of the game is the GHOUL wounding template, which breaks the body up into 30 "wound sectors," each with different, gory wound animations.
A shotgun close range to the face is, of course, the best. The head disintegrates in bone chips and blood and brain, leaving a spurting fountain of blood and a naked bit of protruding spinal cord.
Shots to the groin are also a lot of fun.
The game keeps special track of Head Shots, Neck Shots, and "Nether Region Shots." Because you want to know precisely what your Nether Region Shot percentage is.
Gamespot says it will be available for Playstation 2 in September. Oh, well.
Gamespot's review:
The developers originally approached the hired killer hoping that his expertise would allow them to create a more authentic experience than what's found in other similarly themed games. Apparently, Mullins didn't explain his trade very well or the developers didn't listen very closely, because Soldier of Fortune is hardly realistic. [NOTE: So what? Realism is boring. I'd be dead in two minutes in a realistic firefight. I couldn't hope to survive 50+ firefights.] You're almost always outnumbered in your encounters, and the firefights are Hollywood-style, trading stealth for hyperquick movement and overpowered weaponry. [Is that so wrong?] You can also take an excessive amount of damage, only to completely heal yourself by grabbing one of the stereotypical health packs strewn haphazardly across the levels - an FPS cliché as old as Doom. [And an utterly necessary cliche.]
Soldier of Fortune's entire approach to violence is similarly superficial. The game utilizes 26 target-specific damage areas on each bad guy; however, this innovation is most often used for gruesome graphic effect rather than as a significant enhancement to the gameplay. [Fucking duh!] If you shoot enemies in the neck, blood will spray from the wound, and they'll futilely grasp their throat; if you shoot their leg, they'll limp around. With more powerful weapons, you can blow entire limbs off in one shot or decapitate your victims. Admittedly, immobilizing your enemies may be useful in some situations, but Soldier of Fortune's target-specific damage system seems to serve mostly as a gory reward for your aiming skills.
Playstation? Why not Playstation 2? Or is that what you meant? Spawn has had Playstation for three years, and if you like I'll be happy to have him send along his favorites to you. He'll be getting PS2 this year, assuming his school performance doesn't aggravate me unduly.
I will ask him about his favorites and pass them on.
The review for the PC SoF is much more positive.
I don't get these reviewers who want "realism" and "innovation" in games.
You walk around. You shoot people. You get shot. You pick up a Health Pack.
Why reinvent the wheel?
Thanks. I didn't even know there was a Playstation 2. I use the Playstation myself only when my brother from Spain is in town, and we play NFL Gameday for hours over beers. So, that's once every one or two years.
But I used to have Doom on my computer and I enjoyed blowing things to bloody pulp. I'll see if I can find this Soldier of Fortune for Sony Playstation.
I'm starting to hear some unconfirmed reports that Earthlink is using some sort of super cookie. It brands you with a unique user ID so that anybody can track your travels around the web.
This in spite of a big, national ad campaign that touts their commitment to privacy.
I'll update when more is available.
No one knows yet. This is all very recent.
Symantec (Well-Known and Reputable)
Just as a point of reference, they report that about 25% of all systems tested online have virus problems. I find this hard to believe but that's what they say.
Please weigh in on a possible new thread, Ace's World (title subject to change).
The thread would be similar in some respects to the old Man Thread -- a place for general rambunctiousness, rowdiness, and retardedness.
In other words, a fun little thread.
I asked that my minions make an example of table talk before using the ultimate nullifier on this web site. Forebearerance is a scare commodity, friends.
That is all.
The good doctor is pleased to announce a ceasefire between himself and the jackbooted thugs of the strutting martinet Nilson.
As this ceasefire is solely the result of my benificence and whereas Nilson deserve utter destruction as does this Mote for harboring him I may repeal it unilaterally and at anytime.
Let it also be known that because of his continued obeysance to the Nilson regime one JJ Beano has also earned my wrath, he too will feel what it means to cross the will of the people once the Nilson diktat is toppled.
My enemy list
Nilson
Beano
Friends of Coltrane
Reasonable Rubberducky
Good and noble Jexster
That is all.
I need some tech help. Sort of.
To all computer-type people:
Does the word "signal" have anything to do with computer programs? Please let me know what it could mean in this context, if anything.
Thank you for turning me on to ePinions.com. I have enjoyed that site and have used it for a variety of evaluations on things I was considering purchasing.
Welcome. They're not perfect but they're pretty good. Probably the best of the generalist sites.
Of noteworthy mention is Toenails latest poem, so poignant, a moving presentation.
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Nice to see that they are finally acknowledging that they are having financial problems. Wonder if they will post the results?
Has a familiar ring to it, eh?
I wonder if this is the kiss of death to TT.
Hahaha, there must be an MO these online zines use whenever they want to justify elimination....
I think TT will soon be an historical footnote.
Thanks for all the feedback and suggestions.
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Emphasis mine.
Fucking unbelievable. The people who don't pay the $30 are doing so because they want to see the ads.
Are they that stupid, or merely delusional?
And then, how many people do they think will sign up? 1000? 10,000? 30,000?
Even if 30,000 signed up, that'd be under a million in revenue and they'll have to take a hit on ad rates to get it anyway.
Thanks for letting me know. I'm reading up on Salon Central right now. As I mentioned over in Suggestions--although it might have been lost--Time has cancelled their forum, as has Fortune.
Cal,
Salon hopes to entice a mere 1-2% of its readership to the subscription version.
This is very doable. There are hard-core lefties who would, if need by, make outright donations to Salon (a la NPR or PBS) to keep the idiotic rag going.
I don't know what their costs are, but they say that if they get 1-2% of their frequent visitors to subscribe, they'll put themselves in the red or almost in the red.
"Even if 30,000 signed up, that'd be under a million in revenue and they'll have to take a hit on ad rates to get it anyway."
Ad rates will only suffer if most of Salon's readers subscribe. As I noted, they anticipate that 98-99% of visitors will NOT subscribe, and will still see the ads.
If many more people subscribed, ad rates would surely suffer. But then, they'd be getting $30 a visitor, which is much better than $0.
Will it work?
I hope not. I hope Salon folds. I despise it.
If 1-2% of their readers is 30,000, I'll be astonished. But you never know.
Still, they will be able to cut their costs significantly without TT and, from what I can tell, TT is not currently in the plans to be covered by that 30. Despite what the survey says.
But if only a few people subscribe, I really can't see how it will make them any money. I guess it depends on how big their readership is.
Yes, that's what I meant. I am a moron.
"If 1-2% of their readers is 30,000, I'll be astonished. But you never know. "
I don't know. I am merely relaying what they claim. They *say* that 1-2% subscriber-conversion would solve their current problems. Since they are a public company, I imagine that that projection must bear some relationship with reality.
"Still, they will be able to cut their costs significantly without TT..."
Cut costs AND cut revenue. Look, TT is essentially "free content" provided by the readers themselves which is at least as much an attraction as their professional content. Since every TT page will get an ad, it's a good source of ad revenue.
Without TT, their hits would dwindle, and their ad rates plummet.
Costs? Sure, they have to pay a couple of geeks $75 Benjamins a year to run it. I would imagine that this is a terrific investiment, considering that those administrators are responsible for many thousands of pages of free content which attracts readers.
"from what I can tell, TT is not currently in the plans to be covered by that 30."
Whaddaya mean? I imagine that TT will continue being free, WITH advertising. If you subscribe, no ads.
"If 1-2% of their readers is 30,000, I'll be astonished"
Really? You think they have less than 150,000-300,000 regular readers?
I have no fucking clue, myself, not being in the webmag biz. But that doesn't sound like an extraordinarily high number.
Just read that. It's funny. And narmenta's right about the way you get a housekeeper. Tell her I said so.
Also, Salon's shortfall is on the order of magnitude of a million or two per year. So, if they could generate a spare million, they'd be withing striking distance of being... well, not profitable, but more or less sustainably revenue-neutral.
How the laws regarding publicly-owned companies affect this, I do not know. I would guess that the Salon dipshits would gladly run the company at 0 profit forever, if they could keep their salaries & continue fighting the left-wing fight. I dunno of their board of directors would allow that, though.
If 30,000 readers (to pick a random number) is indeed 1-2% of their readership, then I agree it's workable. They get a little under a million in revenue.
No, you will still get TT with ads at this point in time, even if you pay the $30. From what I understand.
Look, TT is essentially "free content" provided by the readers themselves which is at least as much an attraction as their professional content. Since every TT page will get an ad, it's a good source of ad revenue.
TT is quite expensive, I believe. The webX alone is pricey, coupled with the staff to run it and the infrastructure. I would guess a few hundred thousand a year, maybe?
You're right that it is a lot of the attraction--for many people it's just like the Fray was for us, far more the attraction than the magazine.
But keep in mind that Salon has the Well, which is $85/year. If they are starting to make people pay for Salon, you gotta wonder if they're going to start by charging people for TT and then move them all over to the Well. It's cheaper, surely.
"TT is quite expensive, I believe. The webX alone is pricey, coupled with the staff to run it and the infrastructure. I would guess a few hundred thousand a year, maybe? "
This is my point. I guessed it cost $150,000. You say it costs $200,000-$350,000. Ballpark.
Considering the fact that TT generates almost as many hits (if not more hits) than their professional content, it is CHEAP. Every reporter they have makes at least $85,000 per year. At LEAST. So, for the cost of two to three hundred grand, you get the equivalent of several thousand "reporters" and "columnists."
These "reporters" and "columnists" are terrible, of course, yet they are read just as much as the professional ones.
To me, that seems like an efficient deal.
I was just reading an article which said that many web-zines were going towards the "reader provided content" model, since it was so much more cost-effective than salaried content. There's some site, Media.org or something like that, which is now almost exclusively free "content" provided by its subscribers.
Heh, heh. I am forced to stress that, according to TT posters, they must combat the "lies" of Republicans not so much for the benefit of fellow posters, but for the "millions of people reading us in the peanut galleries."
So, according to the likes of Meredith Chase et al., there are actually "millions" of people in the "peanut galleries" perusing the musings of TT dipshits.
Whatever you say, Poindexter.
I have more important concerns than being mathematically or even factually correct.
I speak to The People, and The People respect the clarity and purity of my message.
My favorite is Sid Meyer's Gettysburg, but only if you like miniature based tactical combat simulation games. This game is meticulously researched and designed. The computer AI is very intelligent and the gaming system does an excellent job of recreating "fog of war" command problems without getting out of hand.
Gettysburg was a good game but Ace should get Antietam if he favors that sort of wargame. Antietam is the sequel and significantly improved. They're both dirt cheap these days.
On your original games post, HalfLife is probably the best shooter of the last eighteen months. It's also cheap now.
Aytch:
I have HalfLife, of course. But thank you.
HalfLife is a good recommend to FU, who wanted a good shooter.
VK, Aytch:
Thanks for the wargame suggestions, but I don't like wargames. Maybe I would, if I invested the time into getting to understand them; but so far I have refused to do so.
Read the reviews. Supposedly it's a gloriously atmospheric 1920's shoot-'em-up against ghosts and other supernatural creatures in a spooky and well-rendered haunted house. The sound is supposedly especially chilling and convincing.
I'd love to buy it, but I fear my machine couldn't handle it. My computer sucks. And they won't give you a refund or credit for returned games; you can only get another copy of the same game.
Does anyone have this puppy, by the way?
Oh-- I also downloaded the Crimson Skies demo, the game of alternate-world 1930's dogfighting.
Lots of fun, but the demo is very brief. It might tease someone into a purchase, though.
The download is at www.gamespot.com, where ALL the downloads are.
I tried to send you an email twice today. I got an error each time. It isn't clear to me whether the error prevented transmission or not. Could you let me know if you have received it? If not, I'll try again.
The book is on its way to me from wabbit. I'm quite worried that it hasn't arrived. The plan was that it would go with us up past the arctic circle and North Cape to Kirkenes on the Norwegian-Russian border. However, we are leaving on Wednesday so ..... 
That's just what Michael Jackson used to say...
More on Black White
BTW, Pelle, that would be one of my nice avatars.
Depends on GJs schedule. At the outside it will be within 24 hours. I would suppose that since we haven't had any new sign-ups in weeks it's likely that we'll have 10 legitimate ones in the next hour. Unless you're bringing friends?
It's true that it could happen, but it's not much of a delay if that should be the case.
H E L P !
I need a word. Majori, are you here?
I'm looking for an obscure word which means "an official appointed to assess taxes, usually in India." I believe this word begins with an "A."
Anybody?
It might not be India. It might be ancient Athens or Persia. It's definitely an obscure governmental title which not even several thesaurus searches can turn up.
It's a word that most people have never heard before. I only know it because I saw it accidentally in the dictionary a long time ago and said to myself, "Cool word. I will have to remember that."
But I don't.
It's not "archon," either. I know archon.
Can't help you. I'd probably recognize it if I see it but nothing comes to mind.
If you do remember, post it.
The archon is good.
Shit. MajorNawab can't help me. What hope do I have now?
I'm trying to forget your request before it starts to bother me.
adjudicator?
No, that's a different meaning.
Yes, PE would possibly, even likely, know it.
Maybe even Azrael 5.
It's not "adjudicator." It isn't any plain English word. It sounds distinctly foreign, ancient, and cool. Like Archon.
But not Archon.
Good word, but not the word I'm looking for.
-dar is a suffix that implies authority of some kind. Hence havaldar, chowkidar, etc.
Nevertheless, it's a thankless job because the sites change all the time. As Stone has demonstrated, if someone really, really wants to get in, you can't stop them. You can make it more difficult--especially if they're not technical-types--but you can't block 'em.
I have an idea of what I'd do in the Mote's case, but discussing it would make it easier to get around. If we ever do a "Mote 2" and seriously work on redesigning this place, I'll bring it up.
I've got a listing. I'll email it to you right now.
How about amildar, 'formerly, a non-European factor in the Indian subcontinent, especially a collector of revenue'?
I'm sending you an e-mail, BTW.
I appreciate you heroic and learned efforts. But, alas, none of your words are the word I am thinking of.
Repost:
H E L P !
I need a word. Majori, are you here?
I'm looking for an obscure word which means "an official appointed to assess & collect taxes, usually in India." I believe this word begins with an "A." But perhaps it doesn't.
It might not be India. It might be ancient Athens or Persia. It's definitely an obscure governmental title which not even several thesaurus searches can turn up.
As far as I can make out Wabbit has taken my book, fled the country, and is on her way to the Nordescap with Pelle Nilsson.
The trip to France is looking like June.
I will try to take advantage of this information. The book should have been in Sweden in plenty of time for Pelle's cruise, but it has turned up missing. Wabbit is going to institute a trace. I was prepared to loose the book in Uzbekistan or some other such place, but not on a trip to Sweden.
The email ya sent didn't have any attached file.
(my fault ... I'm sure you've received that one from someone else by now)
How do I suppose ta know if I may have gotten it by now if I don't know what the heck you were sending?
been in Sweden in plenty of time for Pelle's cruise, but it has turned up
missing. Wabbit is going to institute a trace. I was prepared to loose
the book in Uzbekistan or some other such place, but not on a trip to
Sweden.
The good doctor thinks it is obvious, friend Muzakk. Nilson has absconded with your book.
It is all part of his plan to punish those who have in any form or fashion befriended yours truly.
The strutting jackbooted martinet and his hypnotized harem of harpies have muzzled good and noble Jexster, stripped honorable Rubberducky of his domicile the same way they did my own person, and now done this to you, my friend.
I also suspect some foulplay has befallen Rosetta Stone.
Mark my words and mark them well. I shall yet prevail in this almighty struggle, mon chere.
Hmm. That last line sounds sort of like our old pal Bon Jour.
Somebody left their toys in the middle of the room!
I put in an order to buy Salon stock. It hasn't executed; I wonder if I should pull it.
Got that, Dr. X ? An answer to your question.
I got bounced back as well. Strange. Do you have jonesatlaw@msn.com?
I take your scenario seriously. Most recently Mr. Pelle Nilsson has communicated with me in the form of Odin the Betrayer. When I communicated with him regarding the missing book I recieived a terse message telling me that "there would be no cruise." I informed him that he did not have to cancel his cruise on my behalf.
For the life of me, Dr. Coltrane, I do not understand your fascination with either the snippy little dachsundt, Rubber Ducat, or the half- mad ranter, Jock Store.
That is all.
I shall leave it to you as to what conclusion to draw from such an obvious controverdence of the facts.
Thanks.
ElliotRW has been added to the Mote cast.
If anyone has a jpg of "Meathead" (Rob Reiner) from All in the Family, please forward the URL or the pic to IndianaJones@resourceful.com, because I'm having trouble locating one.
Thanks.
In regards to Salon, the more they hide behind their wall, the better it is for all of us.
People will say, "Can I ask a question?"
I reply, "You just used up your quota."
What happened to the experimental thread where
novices can try out html tricks without messing up substantive discussions?
Thank you.
Did anyone read the netslaves piece I linked in, analyzing their financials?
I wonder when the WebX license comes due?
Salon commercials are running incessantly on the local weather/traffic cable channel. No matter how cheap it is, I can't imagine why they think that'll work.
In any event, at 30/pop, it will take 6600 subscribers just to pay for Talbot's salary.
Wait, now that I think of it we forked out because the Fray went pay.
I check out the Salon Premium thread periodically and it is astonishing how many people are paying because they want to keep TT around. Talk about a hopeless cause.
Pelle has your book?
How quick a turnaround can you give me on a look-over of a screenplay?
(if you're swamped, I'll understand)
FU,
Fairly quick. Is it yours?
If it's not yours, I can do a quick read. I can get through a screenplay, with some notes, in just four or five hours.
If it's yours, I'll do a less quick read, but with more care.
Here is the deal. I'm finishing, I send it to him on Saturday, and we are submitting it to the Austin Film Festival by Fed-Ex on 5/15.
I'd like to send it to you for comment on 5/12.
FU,
Fuck that. You'll send it to me now.
It is 72 minutes long now. You want it now?
Sure.
72 minutes long now? And you think you can finish by May 12?
That will be difficult. But send it over.
If there gaps/scenes you haven't written, just put in a brief sentence like "INCOMPLETE SCENE. Here Busty McTits seduces the VC leader and inserts a grenade into his rectum."
It is plotted (it is based on a fairly detailed treatment I wrote) and I have it in my head. I'll finish this week.
You will receive it complete up to 72 minutes.
Give me an email and I'll try and send it off (God help me with the technology) tonite (it is on my home computer).
Besides, I have a writing assignment of my own which must be submitted by May 14. The week of May 7-14 will be a tough one.
Send it to kevin_blackthorne@yahoo.com, if you would.
Cool. No big if you are swamped.
By the way, I read that you were looking over what sounded like a standard option deal. if so, congrats.
I'd like to send my script to this festival you're sending yours to. I assume you've researched it and everything.
Would that be cool? Is the deadline May 15?
Meanwhile, I've been trying to get my own script (the "Captain" script) into shape for submission.
I don't know if you remember, but I had problems with the Roger scenes. And the opening scenes. I can't fucking solve them, and it's driving me batty. I've written six Roger scenes that don't solve my problems.
It is plotted (it is based on a fairly detailed treatment I wrote) and I have it in my head.
A treatment, ay? I've never been able to do it like that.
I recall the difficulty. Other than the material you forwarded me, have you been working on anything else?
But, on the other hand, it is something that someone sought me out to do for them. And it is a credit, and, hopefully, some kind of a back-door to someplace.
Oh:
And I've been working on another script. But I've shelved that for a little while.
I wrote the treatment for my friend (he has actually been a finalist at Austin, and went down to get his award - he was cursed by the fact that his script conservativel would have cost $350 million to make - an action picture). But he did get some nibbles, reads by a dozen agents who would not have otherwise read, almost representation, and some calls from HBO.
He then suggested we do it together (we've tried once before - it was a disaster). I said sure. he took the first crack and treated the treatment like a concept. I demurred. I am now writing the screenplay pursuant to the treatment, and we are consulting.
Good.
You know that if you sell your script, you must get my script in the door as well.
I hope you understand this.
I know secrets. I guy with my mouth could cause a lot of trouble.
If you can get a key grip on what matters, perhaps we can manage an understanding.
How the hell your friend could've written a $350 million movie is beyond my comprehension.
Blackmailing me over Cal? I'm shocked.
Besides, I'm only ragging Cal to get on Cellar's good side. He claimed that if I was "nice to him" he could do things for me.
I can't really be nice to Cellar. So, the closest I can come is to rag on Slick Cal.
A Mel Gibson vehicle.
Okay . . . $250 million.
Now that I'm out, I'm no wallflower.
$250 mil? I just don't know that movies can cost that much. The Fantastic Four script was budgeted at around $180 mil, but that script featured THREE CGI characters (The Thing, Mr. Fantastic (when he stretches) and the Human Torch), all of whom would almost always be on the screen.
"Pseudo nuclear hijack kidnapping, blow up the Washington Monument" -- all cheap
" 60 car chase (40 destroyed)" not that expensive. Blues Brothers did it.
"full-scale battle" -- well, this is sort of expensive
What the hell is a full-scale battle doing in an action picture, anyway?
Are you reworking this script, or is the new script an original script?
The old script had a battle because it mixed geopolitics with political drama with standard action fare.
For you
Austin
Thank you. I will try to beat the deadline. But Roger will probably not let me.
You know, I was so proud of myself for not pointing that out. And then here comes Mr. Nice, being snarky.
GJ,
Disney has produced lots of dismal movies.
Besides, the point of a screenplay contest is just to be able to get your script on someone's desk. They generally will not read scripts by newcomers. They refuse to even accept them.
If you can put "Finalist, Austin Film Festival" in your query letter, you have a better chance.
I thought it was pretty funny, myself. Snarky, cute, whatever. But I was trying to be noble in refraining from comment because what Ace says is true about the importance.
I have considered writing "Finalist, Gotham Film Festival" in my query letter. A made up film festival.
Trouble is, I figure they'd know that, and that a thousand people before me have used this ruse.
It shouldn't, really, when you think about it. When I read that a contest has produced any bought-and-filmed scripts, I consider that a huge plus.
It doesn't matter to me if the script was lousy. If the script was lousy, that's all the more reason to submit to the contest.
Not that I take offense, however you intended your statement.
You read it as: "Wow. The contest resulted in Miracle in Lane Two."
I read it as: "WOW! The contest resulted in Miracle in Lane Two! Whooopeee! And someone got paid for that shit!"
now
Does anyone know FU's public email address? I know he's posted it.
Still no Meathead (Lawyerin' Cuz wants that one).
Ace: See the link over in the 'scotch bar called "Mote Members' Public Email Addresses"?
Besides, you should just reply to one of FU's many love notes. Your going to crush him if he discovers you're not saving them all.
Whereas existing power structures and delineations have not been responsive to THE PEOPLE
Whereas in point of fact the ruling martinesque strutters have monomaniacally butchered THE PEOPLE in corrupt meglamonomania
Whereas chief butcher Nilson chainsaws while Das Moat burns (that is in point of fact evidence of dissolation and decay of social structures are rampant throughout, evidenced by the rule of Pornos, including the partaking of same by so-called "ruling elites")
THE PEOPLE hereby and hereinto declare their demands to assume their rights for change to subsequently present a manifesto making clear their position.
Yours truly cordially invites all willing and able bodies to join this glorious cause. To join the FUCOFF mailing list and partake of our clandestine activites for bringing THE PEOPLE to power in Das Moat and overthrowing the ruling jackbooted cabal, place your email John Hancockery here or contact yours truly superstitiously via drxaviertcoltrane@yahoo.com.
NOTICE: Those on my enemies list need not apply!
In point of fact it would doubtlessly create a better impression for all the naysayers than the discombobbleating so-called "welcome" and the .
full of sound and fury,
told by an idiot
signifying nothing
Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5
And, Coltrane, to avoid the embarrassment of being caught by foreigners in the act of using non-existing words or words you cannot spell, you need to consult Merriam-Webster frequently. There is a link on the front page.
You hacksterpratching frunkschnoodlerer.
Coltrane:
Honestly. I gave you your props -- this joke WAS amusing for quite a while.
But it's not funny anymore. Here's how "the Comedy of Insistence" works, over time:
not funny
not funny
not funny
not funny, very annoying
not funny, please stop
not funny, oh god won't you stop
heh
heh
okay it's a little funny but please stop
heh, heh
funny
funny
All right, I admit it: This is funny
good one-- funny
funny
not as funny
getting old
really, can't you do something new?
not funny
not funny
not funny
not funny, very annoying
not funny, please stop
not funny, oh god won't you please stop
You've passed the point of funniness. You are on the "not funny" side again, and drawing closer to the "not funny, please stop" point.
Dr. Coltrane,
It is time for one of two things:
1) If you are a multiple, it is time to reveal that fact and retire the pseudonym.
2) If you are a bona-fide new poster, it's time to drop the XTC act and begin posting in your real voice.
The joke is over, son. Trust me-- I, like a few other people, "got it" and admitted it was pretty funny. But it's not funny anymore. It's worn out and tired.
Please, XTC. Drop it. You've got a sense of humor; it's time to post in your normal voice and make new jokes.
SITES WE LOVE: Touched by the Net
First Objective: Everyone's top five sites that go to every day.
Link them to mote and tell us why they're essential.
Niner,
You have hotmail.
Survive the Vampire
Anyone here know anything about gas furnaces?
The wife woke me up last night to tell me the furnace wouldn't shut off...and indeed the thermostat read 85ºF, although it had been set at 68ºF before she turned it all the way down. I turned the furnace off at its emergency switch, and slept on it.
I figured it had to be the thermostat, and an exhaustive internet search seemed to confirm this. In fact, the only cause of such a problem listed anywhere was "faulty thermostat".
So, I replaced the thermostat. But the furnace still won't shut off.
Any ideas?
I refuse to call anyone in if I can figure it out myself - and I usually can. I know squat about furnaces, but last winter I managed to replace the thermo-coupler, saving over $150 and the trouble of waiting for a repairman to get here.
This cannot be a huge problem - just an unusual one.
1) do you have an electrical schematic or description of the furnace interlock system?
2) do you use an ohmmeter/volt meter in youir troubleshooting?
Here's someone with a similar problem and several suggestions.
Good luck!
This house settled 125 years ago.
Seadate:
No, and no. But...
IJ:
Hot dang! The very last message on that board is probably it - I figured it might be a relay, after having read a little at howthingswork.com.
BTW...in my e-travels earlier I saw that board in my search results, but passed it up a bunch of times figuring it was a haven for techies and I wouldn't understand a thing they were saying. Thanks for the heads-up.
I rapped and I rapped, and the pilot went out. Now I can't get it relit.
I must say that that wabbit is a hard character to get a hold of.
From one who knows electricity but not furnaces:
I think you've probably hit on it -- wiring. If the furnace won't stop and it's not the thermostat, faulty wiring is a likely (and scary) candidate. Call the pros from Dover.
I wouldn't continue jiggling things unless you're prepared to trace the problem definitively.
Thanks for all your help, guys.
BTW - any idea why the pilot won't light?
He doesn't smoke?
He may shortly.
The solenoid valve is closed preventing any gas flow to the furnace (including the pilot).
More crap to screw up my Sunday.
Please see today's WSJ, front page.
Now, Spades talks about porn more than most here. Talks, talks, talks a good game. When faced with an actual nude porn-star on line, however, he clams up like a twelve-year-old.
Sheesh. Spades is such a disappointment.
When faced with an actual nude porn-star on line, however, he clams up like a twelve-year-old.
I had nothing to say to her. I'm not interested in porn stars' minds. And (white font):
I'm not even into this chick.
But I have nothing to apology for. I still don't understand why our new friend would put pierced jewelry into her mamahole. Certainly that's not a turn on to men, is it?
And all they wanted us to do was to sign on to their porn web site.
There is nothing funny about porn, or the people caught up in it.
obviously, Rosetta Slide hasn't watched any outtakes
I can't use it on my puny version of internet explorer.
Also, we should add the planned outage to the headlines.
:)
If you're going to spam all the threads with Bob Dylan lyrics the least you could do is attribute them properly.
If you happen to be a member of QPB (Quality Paperback Book Club), you now have free access to the OED online. There's an OED link in the upper left-hand corner of the Welcome page for members. Click it and you're in. Wonderful.
Disclaimer: DanDillon does not stand to gain in any way--financially, linguistically, or spiritually--from the foregoing notification.
This is all I've time for. I had to coax my nephew off a game to post this.
Peace.
Which processor do you think is better? The AMD Thunderbirds or the Intel Pentium 3/4, and why?
Slamdance
Gracias. Buenos notices.
I want to have a book of poems printed and bound but dont know how to go about it
Have heard it cost thousands of dollars.
You don't post many poems here on the Mote.
I would like to discuss this with out
via email. If that is ok tell me via
easmax@earthlink.net
email."
Some thing in the key pad must cause these typos, and bad syntax.
Depends on what you mean by better. Faster or better price/performance (cheaper)?
Intel still maintains the lead in pure speed but this is less important than before. The Athlon 1.33 GHz actually outperforms the Pentium 1.7 GHz on several important benchmarks.
The Pentium 4 has been poorly received thus far due to its so-so performance, higher price and more expensive RDRam memory requirements.
In my opinion, AMD has now actually taken the pure performance lead from Intel for the first time. There are slightly more compatibility problems being reported for AMD chips but this is a minor difference.
On balance, today, I'd take an Athlon over a comparable Pentium in otherwise identical systems. The Athlon should be slightly cheaper, and perform slightly better.
This analysis is valid for 14 days or until the next chip release by either company.
What do you think of IBM's announcement?
what are these "slight" compatibility problems with the AMD chip, and when could one expect them? In simulations of large scale decision problems in Mathematica, for example? Numerical optimization? Anything like that?
Going to be in the market for a new computer in the near future.
As far as I know, the AMD compatiblity problems are not "inherent" in the sense that the old Pentium flaw was. They're not related to actual operation of the chip as was the case with the Pentium. Rather, the drivers for a specific graphics card or sound card will fail.
All reported problems so far have been peripheral-related, not related to general mathemagical operation. Thus, if there is no design flaw in the hardware/software you're running, there should be no problem.
I'm running an AMD chip now. The only problem I've ever had was having to reinstall a program after upgrading a sound card.
If it's important, the AMD site maintains a list of known incompatibilities with software programs.
Which announcement? They've made several recently. The stretch? Wireless? Acquisition?
I'm hearing rumors that NetZero and Juno, two of the last and biggest free ISP's, will merge. If so, they'll have a total of 7 million subscribers (1 million paid) and become the second biggest ISP after AOL.
Weren't they just suing each other?
Bonus addendum for anyone beginning to start to commence to prepare to initiate purchase of a computer near-term:
The best pure value is still an AMD Duron in the 800-900 MHz range. Unless you need all available thrusters to crunch hurricane data for NOAA. For most applications used by mere mortals, there's not much performance difference between an 850 MHz and a 1.4 Gigger. The 1.4 Gigger will load Excel a few milliseconds faster.
What do you think of the Celeron?
What about bus speed & cache size? At what point does more become essentially useless?
Bus speed is currently a bottleneck so faster is always better.
Cache is trickier. More is generally better but it actually becomes counterproductive at a certain size that depends on many things. Basically, when you're spending more time loading data into the cache than you save by actually having it there, you're losing performance. This differs for each chip. But both Intel and AMD are smart enough to find the optimum -- unless they deliberately cripple it (a la Celeron).
Both Intel and IBM announced major breakthroughs in chip speed; I was just wondering if you'd seen it.
All:
I just got tagged for jury duty--First time I was pregnant, second time I'd just left the county, 3rd time unlucky.
There's an option for financial hardship, but it warns that just not getting paid is insufficient excuse, or may be considered such. I'm figuring to tell them that not only won't I get paid, but that if I am called for trial my clients will have to get replacements, which means that I will lose all income and not be able to commit to any more for the term of jury duty--and that I'm the primary financial support of my kid. Will that do the trick, oris there some magic bean word that is required in order to get out of it?
I've only seen IBM's announcement about The Silicon Stretch --about a 35% performance increase but we won't see any of it until 2003-4.
It's an interesting development since it's unrelated to Moore's law, a bonus in a way.
registrations. Is this the case?
what happens then if someone goes to wwww.themote.com . Can they read anything and
just not post???
scene in the movie " The English Patient"
where the guy gets his thumb or both of em
cut off.???
I am going to move this computer into some basement
and see if that will reduce the typos.
I have only to find a basement.
Arky.....I wwwwwwwwwill never let it happen again.
DSL Reports
Sorry about the delay. For a number of resons we are in manual registration mode at present. This is an all-volunteer forum with no permanent staff, so these things may happen. As I said: sorry. And welcome.
Very nifty and interesting indeed, I recommend it to all those who haven't checked it out.
Maybe it can spark some discussion in the Sex thread. That place was envisioned (partly) as a thoughtful arena to discuss issues pertaining to sexuality.
Could it be you .? I cant remember his last name.
But there can't be too many Bills can there?
I mean if you dont buy nothin i.e.
Hi.
How do I wipe (i.e., erase) my computer, wipe it clean, then reinstall Windows?
What do I need? I have the Windows98 disk; I assume I need the Microsoft Office disk for Word and stuff, too. But do I also need some kind of start-up disk? Is there some floppy disk that I'm supposed to have which will wipe the computer when run?
Thanks.
If so, that'll erase the hard drive, and reinstall the OS and all the programs it came with.
Beyond that, I don't know.
It's rather a sizable undertaking, not so much in time as aggravation.
Most important is to back up everything you value, of course. Then, make sure you have all the files to reinstall Win (plus the registration ID on the disk and a Win95 disk if it's an upgrade). You should also have any Win service pack updates (from the MS website). You should also have copies of all the software you want to reinstall (Office, etc.) plus any updates or patches. Also, latest versions of drivers for graphics cards, etc.
If you have EVERYTHING you need, you can reinstall from the Win startup disk (make two or three copies beforehand).
If this is your first reinstall, I can almost guarantee you won't have everything you need. I've done it twenty or more times and I always forget something.
Thanks.
I think I have everything: Window98 disk, Microsoft Office disk, product ID numbers, graphic accelerator disk, etc. Everything important has been saved on CD.
I still like the one I did on PE.
Funniest of all is that when I wrote the profiles originally, there was a huge fuss. Granted, I did it offline because I was going to release it all at once, but still--things have changed a lot in the past three years.
Aside, of course, from Teri Weigel's appearance.
CG gave me a link somewhere, i can try to find it
posted it in Msg 2 in the 'Motish Moments' thread
IJ: what is with that stupid music? please dump it.
I'll be responding to the few that weren't spam in the next couple of days.
For anyone with a Phoenix motherboard, note that some of them will (apparently) connect to the Phoenix servers and discuss things unknown without your knowledge.
Best guess is that it's looking for updates but Phoenix is really dragging their heels on answering questions.
Perhaps it's nothing but they oughtta let you know at least.
We have a glitch where sometimes people register but they don't get issued a password. If they email me, I'll give them one manually.
Khaval is right on the money...that's how I see her, but with wilder hair.
But Jonesatlaw? No way...he's an elegant man, with taste and charm...no way is he Meathead.
The person who's been trying to register left a note in Mote Annex that he emailed you and didn't get a reply, so I told him I'd post in here to check whether you'd received it.
I bet we've lost ten to twenty people because of it.
Now where did I put that fly swatter......
Chat is strongly discouraged in N&Q. Idle exchanges will be moved to the Cafe.
Please be mindful of this thread's purpose.
arky's 2149 is likely to be buried under the usual Stone inanities.
I thought once I saw some of the Motes members
now when I to Members profies I see only mine.
but just now in this place I see the Mote memebers spot
question #2 is...what if you would like to send email to someone here?
Is there a way to do this?
I hope this helps.
There is a link in the Cafe called Motie Email Addresses. If the person you would like to contact is not on that list you could send a request to The Gatekeeper to forward your address to the person you'd like to contact.
I realized msgreer was no longer hosting Health.
Never really paid much attention to host title. But one name that had grown synonymous with the Health thread is now gone. Probably a good reason...but she never said bye.
It seems as Fielding also left the Mote.
How can it be that we lose such nice people?
Do you know?
Fielding and gleason too?
Curiouser and curiouser.
How long has greer NOT been host? (I really ought to get out more I guess.)
(I knew about the other two.)
msgreer has made no public declaration of which I'm aware, so one must assume she too contacted MsNo or some other moderator through email (or perhaps via hotline). No public clarification has been forthcoming, however, because this is apparently a private matter that we are not to ask about because such a question indicates mistrust and a belief on the part of the questioner that MsNo is an evil person.
The circumstances of the latter disappearance include that CalGal had made an issue of the job msgreer was doing as a host in Health. Previous to Fielding's departure, he too had several run-ins with CalGal. Pure coincidence, if you ask me.
Now, everyone please join me in humming a few bars of the the "Age of Urquhart" theme song (aka Britney Spears' "Soda Pop").
P.S. Thanks for the clarification about mgleason.
Hey, all you AWOLS!! If you read Notices and Queries, drop us a line!
I linked this article into the Mote Annex, because I think the parts about how to conduct discussions are relevant to running a message forum, especially the part about "Keys to Discussion Success."
The Ten Declarations of the Age of Urquhart
1) In the Age of Urquhart, the personal attack is to be met with bemusement. If bemusement cannot be mustered, silence will suffice.
2) In the Age of Urquhart, the potency of an attack is directly proportional to the necessity of a response.
3) In the Age of Urquhart, the language of diplomacy must prevail.
4) In the Age of Urquhart, one should begin and end hostilities in the Inferno, as opposed to being directed there.
5) In the Age of Urquhart, discourse is elevated to the post-graduate level.
6) In the Age of Urquhart, a heated individual point must always take a backseat to the harmony of the whole.
7) In the Age of Urquhart, a vendetta is the Ebola of the Mote.
8) In the Age of Urquhart, consideration takes precedence over volley speed.
9) In the Age of Urquhart, an uncivil rebuttal is a greater offense than an uncivil attack.
10) In the Age of Urquhart, if you are upset, your keyboard is a loaded weapon. Put it down.
Robespierre eventually appears.
We takin' a vibical expedition
This pop ditty we choose
So be calm, don't ring the alarm, you see
'Cause we go on and on
Come, come, come, follow me Britney
Open a soda pop
Watch it fizz and pop
The clock is tickin' and we can't stop
Open a soda pop
Bop-shi-bop-shi-bop
The clock is tickin' and we can't stop
We have a plan, we have a definite plan
To level the vibes again
Way overdue for a superlative slam
A wicked time to the end, so...
Open a soda pop
Watch it fizz and pop
The clock is tickin' and we can't stop
Open a soda pop
Bop-shi-bop-shi-bop
The clock is tickin' and we can't stop
I intend to affix to that post the "signatures" of all signees of the Age of Urquhart, as well as her two co-hosts, Jenerator, my own, and anyone else who wishes to email me (indianajones@resourceful.com) their desire to be included, or just posts it here. (If you think I'm going to include your name and don't want it included, do either as well.)
I'll send this email 24 hours from now.
Provided someone *ahem* let's me know msgreer's email address, which I don't seem to have.
mgleason is back now.
send one already, sheesh. does everything have to be done by committee around here?
Also, I think when people are publicly humiliated--as happens all too often in a discussion forum--it's easy to forget to support them publicly once in a while.
The Health thread still has a contact address for Msgreer..."e-mail the host" will give you her address.
I think you're idea is a good one and I agree with this, in particular:
Also, I think when people are publicly humiliated--as happens all too often in a discussion forum--it's easy to forget to support them publicly once in a while.
Arky didn't invite me to join her club.
Please send Ms.Greer my regards. I hope she doesn't take a powder.
I don't like the fact that this was spun as a group vs Cal thing. That isn't it at all, and never was. My personal feeling is that it should be left up to those offended to speak for themselves rather than having tattlers looking for any tiny hole to exploit, especially in threads of particular individuals, and running to the moderators. It sets a bad precedent and could result in a situation that leaves moderating much more of a headache than it already is, much less making hosting less appealing.
(I've seen the post asking why was he in his profession, but not one in which she disinvited him.)
I'm reluctant as you are to get into the whole question of whether she did a decent job as host or not, because 1) I don't follow the thread and 2) no one (apparently) wants to make clear guidelines about what a host must do to stay in office or be removed from office, preferring instead to let personalities, moderator whim, and popularity decide things. Because of #2, such an argument is just another issue to be knocked around without result.
My personal opinion is that if we aren't to have rules but decide based on "who," then enough people like msgreer--especially enough people in that thread--to restore her.
Moreover, no one suggested msgreer be removed from her post, IIRC.
Finally, I think you have to decide whether msreer's value as a poster is worth overlooking whatever doubts you have on this issue. Again, the operative word is "humiliation." You can't expect someone to come back while under the badge of such public treatment.
Suppose we kicked you out as moderator in response to an argument you had with Rosetta, and you left as a result. Then we emailed you and said we want you back, but we still thought you sucked as a moderator and Rosetta was right. What would your reaction be?
Her "public humiliation" occurred because she was contradicted in her confident assertions as to what the moderators would support or not support--by the moderators themselves.
I agree with Ducky that this notion of a supportive group note is bizarre. Do we generally send out notes of support when moderators disagree with thread hosts? Or when people disappear in general?
While I don't usually suspect behind the scenes finagling, it would not surprise me at all if MsG has somewhere expressed the sentiment that she wouldn't come back unless she got the equivalent of a group hug. And I have a philosophical objection to appeasing passive aggressives. Please ensure that any such note does not mention the Mote as a whole. No "The Mote Misses You" or any such nonsense, please.
But I would say again that the idea is bizarre. JJ was just as thoroughly humiliated and hasn't been around much. Why not send him a group note? In fact, why not offer Stone the sentiments of the community for his ill treatment at the hands of the moderators?
You are trying to escalate. I won't bite.
It wasn't exactly the Iron Age, but there you have it.
Cal: The Mote is the community. It is not you or me, and it is not the moderators. Any note I send will likely say something like "your friends at the Mote," which I assume you'll consider to be accurate. (Though in actuality, I cannot call myself msgreer's friend because my interaction with her has been minimal. If you want to know the truth of the matter, my views on health care policy are probably much closer to yours--but that's just a guess, since I don't really read that thread.)
As far as when people "disappear in general," perhaps it's been a mistake in the past to not try to find out what the problem is. I read that businesses spend several factors of money recruiting new customers and not retaining those they have. Does this seem intelligent to you?
I look at the thread host list, and I see PP's name, JJ's name (several times), mine (twice), Judith's. All of these people don't wish to see msgreer go. Don't they represent the Mote?
If there has been any "behind-the-scenes inagling" on either side of this issue, I haven't been involved. Personally, I don't know squat about msgreer. For me this isn't about any individual, pro or con, but a response to what arky said re retaining posters.
Fair enough on the "behind the scenes" stuff. I usually don't think of it, but your response is just so tailor made to MsGreer's personal preferences it seemed impossibly coincidental. But I see now that you are starting a new policy.
Don't they represent the Mote?
No. They represent themselves. Speaking of thread hosts, I've said I have no desire to see MsGreer go--but I object to the note. But then, I'm very sure she'll be back, with or without a note from Mommy telling her all is forgiven.
As far as when people "disappear in general," perhaps it's been a mistake in the past to not try to find out what the problem is.
I quite often send people notes to say hi. I don't start a petition for it in N&Q, I just do it. But people disappear and return all the time, as has been mentioned before.
If you wish to send her a note, do so. If a lot of people want to sign it, fine. Provided it doesn't purport to speak for anyone other than the group signing, I have no objection.
I don't see why the "Age of Urquhart" has to be brought into it. What rule was violated?
I wasn't aware of Indys' persuasion *or the contents if Francis' closet.
I swear, lift up a man from a fridge box by the river and he'll take over your shed. No good deed goes unpunished.
I think the letter to her is a nice gesture but I don't think it will change the situation. I agree that she will be missed, but I also know that her personal life must take priority over her activities on the Mote.
I am not posting because I do not have the time. When things in my life are less frenetic, I may post more.
I hope this clears up any misconceptions.
Which means your reading comprehension is as selective as Indy's concern.
It's not a "humiliation." It was, however, a royal bitch-slapping.
Again, it is perfectly understandable that hosts will unconsciously give themselves leniency when enforcing rules. This is life; this is subjectivity; this is humanity.
There is no great shame in the fact that MsG and JJ erred.
This is some amount of shame in refusing to acknowledge the possibility they may have erred. It's sort of like Dan Rather denying liberal bias.
My point is that if JJ is to take someone to task for using the word "humiliation", the list is, in order:
1. Indy
2. Judith (who explicitly agreed)
3. Anyone who didn't protest the use of the word.
Leaving me out completely, assuming he accepts the fact that I should have used quotes around the word when referring to his "humiliation" as well. I'm the only person who explicitly signaled disagreement of some sort with the word.
If no public embarrassment occurred, then I alone am mortified.
You agreed with Indy that it was a public humiliation. JJ finds it offensive. Of course, I doubt he'll find it as offensive once he realizes that I didn't use the word. But then, he'll consider the source.
Also, I think when people are publicly humiliated--as happens all too often in a discussion forum--it's easy to forget to support them publicly once in a while.
Note it said "people" and not JJ or Msgreer.
Well, it wouldn't work if it was me, because JJ has a grudge. But I really don't care. The issue--since you clearly aren't tracking--is that JJ accused me of calling it a humiliation when I was the one person who specifically did not. I wasn't singling you out; just creating a list for JJ to work from, given his limited comprehension. Indy's post is on point. You can relax now, Judith. It had nothing to do with you.
Surely you didn't think it was necessary to say that not everyone in the forum had seen the discussion?
To the extent it is about me, blame JJ. And since you don't realize that, you are clearly not tracking. You rarely do.
It would seem you, however, do not; not as much as you think you do.
Cal and msgreer OTOH have had a steady conflict going for a while now. As I alluded to Pelle when I mentioned Stone, it's more that Christin backed Cal in a conflict that had its roots in personality. The two don't seem able to stand each other.
That's why I originally tried to intercede with some objective rules for host removal. It seems to me that with clearer rules, it wouldn't be the case that moderators were seen as taking one side or the other and there wouldn't be accusations about secret emails, etc.
Note: I don't wish to argue whether this was in fact a personal conflict or not. I merely wish to explain my word choice. I chose a word that was appropriate to how I saw it.
Nonsense. In the first place, given that you have no idea what the history is, how on earth do you know it has its roots in "personality"? In fact, the conflict began over her hosting behavior.
But in any event, I raised a very specific issue--namely, MsG declared her thread was civil when it clearly was not. She then threatened to boot me out if I wasn't civil, even though she had already insulted me several times that morning alone. She then said that the only time people made attacks in her thread was when I posted and didn't know what I was talking about. Finally, she said that she was sure MsNo and Pelle would agree with her.
That's not a conflict rooted in personality. That's abuse of host authority, plain and simple. It is on those grounds that I raised the issue, and it is on those grounds that she was taken to task. It wasn't even a difficult call.
Your "objective rules" for host removal are asinine and, since it has been said several times that MsG was not removed as host because of this conflict, are besides the point anyway.
People can perceive anything they want to, and no amount of reality is going to interfere with their perceptions. As has been proven time and again.
The fact that Cal perceives MsGreer's actions as an "abuse of host authority" proves that the disagreement is rooted in personality. If any of you want to continue to read her prattle, you are welcome to it.
Cal: I believe my post contains the line "I don't wish to argue whether this was in fact a personal conflict or not."
Be that as it may, your proposition is msgreer wasn't enforcing her hosting guidelines equally because she was allowing some uncivil comments, while insisting on civility from others. I'll leave you with two questions:
1) Would the presence of uncivil comments between you and msgreer be evidence that a conflict already existed before you complained about her hosting style? Or is it your contention that you and msgreer were getting along perfectly well, making lots of uncivil comments toward each other, but you became irritated with her only because she was moving some and not the others?
2) If msgreer moved all uncivil comments, wouldn't that indicate a policy, whereas if your claim is correct, that she moved some and not the other, something must have caused her to differentiate between those posts she moved and those she didn't? If she had no problem with the content of JJ's posts (which called you a "bitch") and no problem with the content of her own posts, then doesn't that indicate it must have had something to do with the person making the posts? Wouldn't that be a personal conflict?
You can answer however you please to these questions and will have the last word on whether your conflict with msgreer was personal or not. She's no longer here to argue with you, and I've already mentioned I don't wish to.
I haven't seen anyone take pleasure in the humiliation of others. So unless you wish to make that assertion, what's your point?
I absolutely think that hosts can enter the fray and insult to their hearts content, btw.
Indy,
I just realize that you think MsG's "humiliation" was greater because it was at the hands of her dread enemy, CalGal. You continually astonish me with your notions. That's just....idiotic. She's either hosting properly or she's not.
Besides, JJ had already publicly chastised me for my complaint, both in the thread itself and in Suggestions. JJ has made it clear for the past several months that he, too, thinks CalGal is a sworn foe to the death. So any such solicitousness ought to go to both hosts. Poor dears.
The fact that Cal perceives MsGreer's actions as an "abuse of host authority" proves that the disagreement is rooted in personality.
Not at all. MsNo and Pelle determined that it was an abuse of host authority and said so. Remember? My perception isn't the issue, once they've made the declaration.
Unfortunately, the ovewhelming majority of said plethora belongs in the internal politics section of Das Mote.
Please continue the discussion in the appropriate forum and allow N&Q to resume its normal, stately pace of three posts per month.
Thank you. I must now rest.
Governor AytchMan
TT is as friendly as you make it. Naturally, CalGal would've found it to be a snakepit.
A while back I asked a number of questions about getting my Honda Accord engine light fixed. I got it fixed and all is well. But while at my mechanic's today, I mentioned that I've always been a bit miffed at the problem. He told me that Honda finally got around to issuing a recall and that they will now fix the underlying problem for free and reimburse owners for most or all damages!
So if you have a Honda Accord, years 94-97 (fifth and sixth generation for sure), make sure you get the balance shaft seal problem addressed with your dealer. And if you ever had a problem with it, make sure you get confirmation of this with an authorized dealer and you can then send in your invoices for reimbursement.
Number to call: 1-800-999-1009.
I would like to know if this is place to inquire
about cut and paste?
This is the place to inquire about anything. Short discussions are welcome, brief answers are encouraged. Long who-struck-Clyde's are best beat to death elsewhere.
I appreciate your concern for my possible overtaxment. You will achieve greatness within the decade.
If I wanted e.g. to repeat part of someone's post as I see done here, I would go to edit
and click on cut .This then is held somewhere
until I go forward and click paste.But I'm not sure just when the clicks are made.
before the phrase I suppose but what about the past. When is that clicked on?
Tell me aytch in the kindest way....
Advanced Moties add html italic tags around it if you're quoting somebody.
has for some reason larger print ?
And can someone tell me approximately when
The Mote was begun?
IndianaJones@resourceful.com.
Such correspondence should include a description of specifically what has made you unhappy and what you would like me to do about it. Within reason, I will act on the latter.
I was forwarded an e-mail you sent out, on behalf of a number of Moties, which included my name, without my permission (you did not send me a copy, despite using my name, and despite the fact that my e-mail address is available in the Mote). I reported this to one of the moderators, so that this breach of Mote etiquette could be handled privately, without embarrassment to any of the parties. I will not be e-mailing you about this. It should either be handled through Mote channels, or openly here. This is especially important, since there are other people involved, at least some of whom may not realize their names were included.
I am not happy that my name was included in your letter, for three reasons:
1) I try very hard to maintain impartiality in dealing with all people in the Mote. I never jump into disputes, and never give my support to one side or the other. Your action, indicating a support I do not wish to give, compromises my reputation. I want to be able to interact with everyone in the Mote without choosing "sides." If and when I do give support to someone, I want it to be my decision.
2) You had said in the Mote that you intended to include all the signers of "The Age of Urquhart" in your e-mail. If indeed you had, I would have less of a problem. But you only included a few names, and did not even include Urquhart himself. I like the measures proposed in the AoU, and I signed on because I felt it could help in solving some of the problems causing me and others to become disillusioned by the Mote. But in fact, your letter, by perhaps inadvertently supporting one side over the other, is in direct opposition to the goals I intended when signing on.
(continued)
I don't know why you included me on your list, but I had wished to quietly have my name dropped. Since that isn't possible, I'm like to publicly ask you to remove my name. If you wish to respond, please respond in Policy.
I am in complete agreement with Irv. It was quite a surprise for me to see my name listed without my permission, and I forwarded the letter to Irv because I wanted to know whether you'd obtained his consent.
It's more than a matter of a technicality; I was in agreement with the moderators and did not see their actions as being out of line, so I would not have granted permission for my name to be included in your letter, kind gesture though it was. I was also very concerned with the potential harm of such a gesture in an already divided forum, and did not wish to contribute to it.
I contacted a moderator because this is very much a Mote matter. I wished the matter rectified (my name removed), but thought to avoid yet another public brouhaha. I also thought that being approached by a third party would save you some embarrassment.
I'm puzzled by my inclusion, as well, since I wasn't even a signatory to the A of U.
Ba-du-bump.
People. It is summer. A long, hot summer. Let's leave the politicking for when there are more of us around so at least parliament is fully stocked and the goal seems more worthy.
Right now, you've got two dorks (me and jexster) standing in an empty convention hall, me wearing a very stupid looking elephant hat and jexster with a donkey tail.
And I don't mind sharing my real name with any of you.
It is Francois Urquhart.
I'm offended that you engaged in conspiracy without clueing me on same.
Maria
You are the Age of Urquhart. You are its sun and moon. Your signature is not required.
Since there was no moderator action taken against Msgreer that I know of, I didn't see the letter as undermining their authority. I had and have some personal opinions about the issue, most of which I voiced in Suggestions, but I wouldn't want to be part of a forwarded letter that seemed to promote a general groundswell of opposition to the moderators. If my concerns are serious enough that I think promoting them is needed I will post them here; otherwise I will state them privately or keep them to myself.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Had I gotten a letter suggesting a coup, I would have done the responsible thing. If the coup failed, I would have denounced Indiana Jones and his ilk roundly, inferring that were it not for me, the danger might not have been blunted in time.
Had it succeeded I would have ingratiated myself with the new leadership, suggesting, but not admitting, that I was the brains behind Indiana's brawn.
As it is, I am shocked at Indiana's breach of ettiquette and demand an explanation for this outrageous behavior.
I'd made no comment on the matter.
François,
You are a devil.
Who chafes, who frets, or where conspirers are
Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until
Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane hill
Shall come against him
Pitch woo to me no more lest I lose my head.
I didn't recall you commenting, but I didn't remember your name on the list. I'd have to go back and look at what I got in email to remember who was listed. I really can't figure why Indy put the names on it that he did.
Who needs an entire wood? All I need is a stripped switch.
You said "wood". he he he he he he
You said "stripped." he he he he he
You are a couple of dirty girls.
And you're right, Maria, it's paisley.
A three wood would do...
How are you hitting them anyway? I played a PB Dye course the other day, and that fat bastard was actually on the course. I almost brained him. He designs it so you can't let loose with the driver, so you ease up to avoid trouble, and then he makes you use the low irons, which I can't hit. So, I use the three wood, and the lack of accuracy send me in trap after trap after trap. Then, I get out, and the greens are tiered.
Fat bastard.
I've hardly played at all in ages. I did have the pleasure once of playing a Pete Dye course, and scored well. But I do like long irons, so I'll challenge you any time.
A three wood is much more effective than a switch for getting your point across.
And it wasn't a Pete Dye course. It was his fat bastard son, PB Dye.
Pete Dye, now that is a fair man.
Your corruption cannot be masked by H2agua, and you know it.
I'm getting a pool. I live in the suburbs of the swamp that is DC, and I'm convinced, a pool would enhance my quality of life. I was a pool lifeguard in high school, and I was very happy then.
I'm not familiar with PB Dye. Plan on it. And work on those long irons.
You let me know next time your my way.
Maria
Oh my fortunes have corrupted honest men.
I am alone the villain of the earth,
And feel I am so most.
Arky
Plants, huh? Supplementing that teacher's income with some ganja? Yea. I know the score. I saw Traffic.
Buenos noches, all.
I'm gone too, though Bob and I bought a new coffee pot and I made the mistake of trying it out and am wide awake.
Y'all have a good evening.
Courteous lord, one word.
Sir, you and I must part, but that's not it:
Sir, you and I have loved, but there's not it;
That you know well: something it is I would,
O, my oblivion is a very Antony,
And I am all forgotten.
You let me know next time your my way.
I'll try to behave myself and avoid your way, but I'll let you know when I'm in the DC area.
Otherwise, my offer of a private communication remains open. It seems to me that your posts here, however, rectify the situation without any further action on my part unless you want me to send them personally to msgreer. (A strange request, but out of the regard I have for you, one I will perform.)
I will say this for clarification: no email I sent purported a signature by anyone other than myself. Hence, any statements contained within including those that may have mentioned other people, were obviously made by me and made no representation other than how I saw various people's takes. If I send out an email claiming that Francis Urquhart says he likes to eat Krusty Klownburgers while reading National Review, perhaps I should run it by Francis for a greasy-fingered fact check, I don't need Francis's permission to do so.
Other than that, as I sent no email to you or mgleason but only msgreer, I have no idea what someone else may have forwarded to you.
mgleason: See above. Moreover, I have sent out no email claiming you "disagree with moderator position" (whatever that may be).
Francis: Your name was not mentioned because you "renounced" the Age of Urquhart before the 24 hours was up.
I can take even a subtle hint, but not a psychic one.
MsGreer doesn't need to be coddled and i think the same can be said for any and all participants here (well, except for PinHead Slide)
one good thing: all this validates my refusal to join committees.
I do not believe in handling Mote-related matters through private channels. It breeds fear of cabals and other destructive notions. Matters should be either handled through the Moderators or publicly.
You included my name and mgleason's on a list of 10 people whose cations you purported to represent. I gave no indication, publicly or privately, of having any opinion on the matter. This is what I take issue with.
I don't recall Urq renouncing the AoU, but I may have missed it.
Hence, any statements contained within including those that may have mentioned other people, were obviously made by me and made no representation other than how I saw various people's takes.
You reported that the people on your list had posted support in the Mote. At least two people on your list that I know of did not.
Other than that, as I sent no email to you or mgleason but only msgreer, I have no idea what someone else may have forwarded to you.
I take issue with the fact that you did not at least copy the people you listed, and that I, for one, had to find out my name had been used without my permission.
I am not going to post the contents of the e-mail here, but I'm sure you know what contents I am referring to.
Any further discussion should be in Policy.
I don't understand your first paragraph. Communication via the moderators is just as much a 'Mote channel' as posting in the forum itself.
As to my statement regarding my agreement with the moderators as one reason for not granting permission for my name to be used in your e-mail, it was made in response to your assertion that msgreer had been 'publicly humiliated.' I was not of that opinion. Further, you state that your e-mail represented how you 'saw various people's takes,' yet I made no comment on the situation, and remain puzzled at my inclusion.
While you did not send a copy of your e-mail to Irv or myself, as you certainly should have, since you were purporting to speak for us, it's hardly surprising that we should come to learn of it.
mgleason:
Communication via the moderators is just as much a 'Mote channel' as posting in the forum itself.
This is none of the Mote's affair. CalGal made it clear beforehand that I was not to speak for the Mote and that my views did not represent those of the Mote. Her pronouncement should be sufficient, given all that has occurred, to make it clear without anyone else weighing in, what the Mote's position is.
You and Irv have made your views known publicly. IMO that is sufficient to clear up any misunderstanding. Be that as it may, if you wish me to correct msgreer personally of any misunderstanding you think I have conveyed to her about your respective positions, I will certainly do so.
I presume the thread will then be resurrected for feedback on the changes.
What in the Sam Hill has been going on these last few weeks? I skip town and come back only to see a mini-meltdown, and all without my participation.
I hate it when I miss out on the excitement.
What's the AoU?
It was actually quite humorous for a while but it somehow turned into an argument. Go figure.
I didn't say the arguments were interesting, just a morbid attraction, like natural disasters and auto accidents.
Arky, Elliot
I'm not weeding through hundreds of back posts just to find out what AoU means. I imagine it will eventually be resaid, again and again and again....
Please leave N&Q for its intended purpose: three N's and/or Q's a month.
Don't make me come over there. The thought of moving eighty three-week-old posts elsewhere puts me right off my Honey Nut Oatie-O's.
Your Humble Servant,
Professor NIMBY.
The Chicago Tribune, Sunday, July 29, 2001, Section 14, Books, features a review of Andrew Jackson and His Indian Wars, by Robert V. Remini (Viking, 317 pages, US$26.95), summarized by the reviewer as "(a) major goal of Robert Remini's new book is to make modern American 'understand the fear and mistrust that existed between the white and red people during the early years of the Republic.'"
I'm getting a copy based on the subject and strength of the review to understand "why Indian removal happened and why Andrew Jackson was so determined to make it happen." The review published in the Chicago Tribune is well worth reading and may inspire others to learn more.
Interesting subject; thanks for the information. My reading on the subject has been rather sparse, but what I think I know is:
that white attitdues had shifted substantially by the time Andrew Jackson was president. Many whites in the eighteenth century, like Thomas Jefferson, had considered the Indians "nobvle savages," people without real civilization but with an inherent dignity that made civilization possible among them. By the early nineteenth century this vaguely philanthropic attitude was giving away to a more hostile one, particularly among the whites in the Western states and territories whom Jackson came to represent. Whites were coming to view Native Americans simply as "savages," not only uncivilized but uncivilizable. I believe the reason for this shift was simply the desire for land -- whites wanted the territory the Indians occupied.
FWIW, I have another recommendation: The Invasion of America: Indians, Colonialism, and the Cant of Conquest by Francis Jennings. This is about the Atlantic Coast Indians and the first colonists. It's a very good exposition, imo, about the ideologies transplanted and created by the colonists when they settled America (or resettled), and how those ideologies influenced how the whites interacted with the native populations.
ScottLoar,
You should host an Indian bashing thread to go with Rustler Pike's Arab bashing thread.
Brief discussions related to the subject at hand are welcome. Irrelevant chatter (not to mention insults) is not.
I had thought that one of the purposes of this thread was to allow discussions to possibly develop which might then move elsewhere.
I am befuddled that you removed my invitation to the participants in the discussion of Native Americans to move their discussion to the more appropriate "Language and Culture" thread. My intention was to encourage continuation of an interesting discussion without further taking up space in this thread.
I probably should have left yours.
I hasten to add that I'm a little testy as host after about three lengthy discussions triggered a couple of warnings. None of this is/was directed at you, btw.
My take on the thread is brief queries and responses. The idea is to keep it clear of embryonic discussions so that people looking for quick answers don't have to wade through bunches of posts.
I am, however, open to the will of the people (up to a point).
It's because I do understand the nature of the thread that I invited the participants to move the discussion to a more appropriate venue.
Embryonic discussions are bound to grow out of what are originally expected to be quick questions and answers... it usually means a questioner has stumbled upon an interesting topic.
I know many people are reluctant to post here (and clog up the thread) even if a topic is of interest, so it would be good to move these discussions to the appropriate thread as quickly as possible (which is what I was attempting to do).
Hi Wiz...
hmmm, the name sounds vaguely familiar. As you no doubt know, there is a huge foreign artist community here. Do you have any more details on this Baxter?
You were acting quite appropriately. The only real reason I moved your post was that it was in the middle of several inappropriate ones. To the nanosecondial extent I considered it, I thought it would look funny left alone. My bad, perhaps.
Nevertheless, the others were increasingly snippy and decreasingly relevant.
This is a brief notice. Clear?
He's an incredibly kind and nice man and I would have asked if he knew you, but I don't know your real name. I think Baxter is his last name and the only one he uses.
I'll be seeing him next week when I deliver my show, should you want more info or if you want me to mention your name. He's an interesting guy and well worth knowing, IMO.
My Email is wizardofwhimsy@yahoo.com .
"Baxter has lived and maintained a studio in Bali since 1990. After moving there, he wished to wipe the slate clean and re-think his goals as an artist. At that point, he encountered a 13-year old deaf-mute boy named "Kolok" -- a nickname meaning mute in Balinese -- who began camping out on Baxter's studio-terrace and making drawings there. This led to a six-year collaboration between the two, in which all prepatory drawings for figures in a given painting were done by Kolok using pastels on cardboard. . . .Kolok changed the way I make decisions about my paintings and was the best teacher I ever had."
Thank you very much. I'll check each out tomorrow at the bookstore.
I'm told Austin does not confirm.
I would like to ask if anyone can suggest
any interesting forums outside of this one--
which of course is one of the best.
I am long time escapee from the Salon Table Talk.
And my dearly loved www.the Word.com went
belly almost a year ago.
Sounded interesting but my pub. library
does not have it. Is it a new book?
I set up an alternative to the TT International folder. It's going quite well.
Please come visit. It would be great to see you guys there.
The URL is
The place is called, Random International.
Sorry 'bout that.
The link is: Random International
I did and I like it-- your Random Int'l
Very impressive work.
But are we by virtue of that "small world syndrom"
neighbors . I mean are you just over that away
under the tunnell and into Alameda.???!!!
I am in AUstralia, if that is what you are asking. :)
And thanks for the compliments.
A coulpe of Moties have already checked RI out. I really hope to see some more Motish-type faces there.
Son of the Morning Star can be found cheaply HERE
Son of the Morning Star
But you world crossing has address in SAn FRancisco?
Oh this new world disordere that computers have plunged me into.
Sort of a Yankee in King Arthurs court sort of thing.
I found this Internet cafe in a small fishing port with cultural ambitions where we have come to see an exhibition of watercolours by Salvador Dali.
See you towards the end of the month.
Thank you for the correction.
(seadate s.b. the person answering this.)
Apart from meds, the other thing I find useful is the same stuff that works for morning sickness--crackers, bavarian pretzels, any crisp carb with some salt.
The only time I ever get seasick was when I was foolish enough to try to read a book while sailing. Bleah. So don't read, if the opportunity arises.
(and Mary Ann and the Skipper, too....) 
cool aide, Ms. No?
that I am able to get my posts posted nowadays, unlike
the frustration of not getting them posted which went on so long I almost stopped drinking the water in the Mote.
No, I'm not looking to eat them. I'm looking for pictures and web graphics. I'm not having much luck though so what I think I'll end up doing is scanning some stationery that I have and then tweaking it in an editor later.
Uz, does this mean we can buy it?
climbing vines
Nothing to do at work today until they finish printing the mid-month checks. It brings the whole accounting system down.
I'd rather wait it out at the beach, but somehow I can't get them to pay me for waiting there rather than here in florescent hell.
For examination only. Not for sale.
I will be out of pocket tomorrow. You mind checking the gatekeeper account for me during the day?
Thanks.
Teoma
I think you need to have the pages completed first. Then, go to the Build Booklet plug-in (it will be under Utilities/Plug-ins) and choose your layout options there.
"Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity but I'm not sure about the former".
Not only that, but I worked on a lighted table!
H-man...I wish you'd posted Alberts quote a few after mine; I know I'm stupid at times but it seems like overkill to have Einstein tell me so!
A lighted table? You wild child.
Thus, henceforth shall she be known in these hyear parts as
Daisy
Thankyouveddymuch.
So, is it?
(I'll be back in, oh, who knows when? to read what anybody has to say--!!)
"Daisy" is a lovely name. I think I will call my child "Sprout". I don't know what to call my husband, though.
Holly,
Surely that's the whole point of internet forums, isn't it? That it is asynchronous? I like "Sprout". I don't suppose the husband could be Bean or Brussels. (no, that's awful. I'm being silly.)
She's more of the Bean Sprout, I'd say.
I'll keep thinking, hee...
Who was it?
And does anyone heah go they?
Try this: http://www.rantforum.com/
WinXP Restrictions
I'm really enjoying Linux, actually.
Not if I can help it.
The reason I ask is because I'm trying to do a word-count conversion to pages.
My guess is that the average is about 300.
Anybody know for sure?
I've been reading a friend's manuscript for the last couple of weeks and we're working on Chapter breaks etc. Her agent gave her what I think is supremely idiotic advice in the interest of conforming to the 10-15 pgs per Chapter.
Her agent had her breaking chapters in the middle of scenes and conversations.
Sheesh.
I'll have to pass that along to my friend.
I adore Mrs Morland.
Now that I have your attention, I'd like to find out if I am indeed swimming against the tide here.
Is it the sense of Das Mote that lengthier discussions should be allowed in N&Q as some have suggested? I am soliciting everybody's three cents worth -- and if the thread host doesn't like it, well, up his nose.
No, I agree with you. I think if a discussion looks like it's going to take off then it should re-locate to another thread.
Otherwise it's too hard to actually find the Notices and Queries that are then "off topic" per the discussion.
Your #4680 in the Sex Thread made me laugh for ten minutes. And thanks for checking the Gatekeeper Inbox while I was on leave the week before last.
Aytch
A few posts off-topic here and there are to be expected, I think, but something which goes on for a while should go into another thread. I wouldn't expect people would mind, either. Don't want the N&Q to get lost in the shuffle, as Ms. No says.
I was disappointed that I didn't ever get to do anything gatekeeper-y. The only emails I ever saw were those I'd sent myself.
sigh.
10-4.
I think Irv would like to open it up some. Anybody else?
Forums here and there will have people posting
on things other than the World Trade Ctr?
tho I think the rumors will fly for quite a while
longer.
Do you remember the JFK assination theories./?
Does anyone here have connections to Time/Warner Corp.?
If you do not wish to respond publically, please email me if you wish.
I would really like to express my appreciation for your efforts.
labwabbit@hotmail.com
I have a question and I'm not being snotty. Property of Jesus is Rosetta Stone; some people were saying that, and I didn't think it was true, until PoJ went on about giving out his kid's phone numbers.
Well, now, even an idjit like me can tell who's who now.
My question is, why is he allowed back in under another name? Is that some sort of shaming thing? If everyone knows it's Rosetta, and Rosetta has been supposedly banned, what's up?
And to clarify, I am not wanting PoJ or RS banned, it just seems .... silly. Let him have his regular login, whatever. That's one of things I've found disconcerting, is the changing of names.
I think you've all secretly missed him.
winky
It's still silly, but now I know the source.
I know Rosetta was suspended some time ago. BUT, I think Property of Jesus showed up before the suspension was done. Then Property of Jesus disappeared for awhile...no doubt the Stone family vacation to Ireland, if we can believe that. Then, around the beginning of this month, POJ showed up with not the least attempt of hiding his true self. If not actually admitting it, at least letting the "real"him ooze through.
Isn't there a rule about that? Just wondering. : )
You were out for an hour or two after 4 am your time. The trace stopped at the first ATT router.
- In a 14-page opinion handed down Thursday, Commonwealth Court Senior Judge Charles P.Mirarchi Jr. said the Larock family cannot operate a quarry on the Sugarloaf Mountain
The munchkins rejoice. The land of Uz is safe again (for a while). Octoberfest promises to be celebrated with particular fury and abandon this month.
Al sort of alluded to spudboy posting again under a new name here for a while and that got me to thinking.
Anyway, Fielding had vacated before 911.
Fielding is not spudboy. Fielding had a sense of humor and got on fairly well with me. he's a liberal idiot, but he was never a leftist paranoid megaidiot like Spudboy.
Frizzella?
"Liberal idiot" (?) ...Isn't that a redundancy, Ace?
That's the one!
Spudboy was not a New Yorker. He was from Idaho.
He was also a fucking moron, and a nasty little son-of-a-bitch. He isn't Fielding.
The "racist" thing is par-for-the-course with liberals. It doesn't mean much. A liberal calling you a "racist" is sort of like them saying "Hey, how's it hanging?" It's like "aloha." It means hello, it means goodbye, it means they can't answer the current relevant point, etc.
Spudboy was far more than the passe "racist" thing.
I'm not actually sure Fielding lived in NY, anyway. I discussed NY with him once, but I'm not sure he was a resident. I seem to remember him being a tourist, or having been here when younger, or something.
ArqhiMaa'larqhi,
But of course you found him "reasonable," darling.
I'll say one thing for Spudboy-- he gave hand-jobs like a fuckin' poet.
DonS.,
Honestly, your provocations are going to have to go beyond "Shalom!" and "I love you."
See, that sort of thing is hard to get angry at. Even for me.
previous name: Miss Anne-Marie Sparkletoes
new name: Miss Jeanette Sparkletoes
Thank you.
I've sent a couple of emails with no response. It may just be that he doesn't use his Fielding account anymore.
Wouldn't it be funny as hell if Fielding was CalGal?
Fielding is not CalGal.
Good lord.
1, they posted simultaneously.
2, they're completely different.
whoosh!
Wouldn't it be weird if I were actually Francis Urquhart?
Wouldn't that be sad and pathetic?
DonS.
Wouldn't it be funny if I were a bologna sandwhich?
If I were a bologna sandwhich, would you eat me?
Wouldn't it be funny to eat me?
If I were a bologna sandwhich, would you eat me with a pickle?
Wouldn't it be funny if I *were* a pickle, in addition to being a bologna sandwhich?
And in addition to being a package of Lay's sour-cream flavored potato chips?
That would be funny.
Are you missing Sakonige?
Wouldn't it be funny if I were Sakonige, and I were eating a bologna sandwhich, which was also myself?
Phew. Man, what a complicated, crazy world! And they said Einstein was crazy!
No kidding! Talk about a mind-trip!
Imagine if I were Sakonige, and Fielding were CalGal, and we were all eating bologna sandwhiches with Seadate and DonS., and those bologna sandwhiches were also *ourselves*!
Holy mackerel! It's like some sort of freaky science fiction film!
Imagine if I spelled "bologna" correctly, but misspelled "sandwich" ten times in a row.
We're having bologna sandwiches.
Entire multiverses might be contained in each delicious slice of magnificent bologna.
If bologna sandwiches ran the world, there would be no war.
Then again, there would be no art, science, construction, or society, either.
Just bologna sandwiches.
But it's a nice dream.
In a world of nothing but bologna sandwiches, the man with a bag of Fritos is King.
I fear the ultimate retribution of a threadnanny.
Fag.
Why would you ruin a nice bologna sandwich with lettuce?
No lettuce for this cowboy. Just French's original yellow mustard, some nice Buttertop sandwich bread, and rich savory bologna sandwiches.
slices, I meant.
Anyone who puts lettuce or any vegetable on a nice bologna sandwich is a fag and an idiot.
A bologna sandwich has three ingredients:
French's mustard
Buttertop sandwich bread
bologna
If it contains anything else, it's not a bologna sandwich. I'm not even sure if it's food.
Optional. But then it is a bologna and cheese sandwich.
A bologna sandwich contains only bologna.
I have no strong opinions on bologna and cheese. Bologna is where I'm at.
If bologna and liverwurst went to war, who would win?
I think we'd all lose.
That's simply untrue. Why are you lying?
There is nothing like a bologna sandwhich. Nothing on this earth.
I think we can all agree that brauschweiger is very nice on a Ritz cracker. But does this compare with a bologna sandwich?
Of course it doesn't. Only a retard would claim otherwise.
And I say you're nearly a retard.
You can either have a nice bologna sandwich, or you can eat a hot knuckle sandwich.
It's your choice. I don't care either way. I've got plenty of bologna, and I've got plenty of knuckles.
Uz...and you won the first round? Excellent. Might be a sign of good things ahead.
Let's just say I have enough knuckles to get the job done.
I also have a nice bologna sandwich.
Once again, it's your choice.
I won't go into detail, but it is amazing what we are up against. But I amthe Steppelord! Our war cry--
LIVERWURST!
If they then tried to "fix" it by changing laws, they may have messed up. I always love it when that happense.
It is getting late(for me) and I am going to retire.
It has been a pleasure, Absentia.
I'm making a news link on the front page and copying your post to Suggs & the Cafe.
It means he has to literally put up a wall of fire around his computer, by carefully spilling gasoline on the carpet and igniting it. It's good against viruses.
Firewall: a computer or computer software that prevents unauthorized access to private data (as on a company's local area network or intranet) by outside computer users (as of the Internet)
This is, of course, completely at odds with the idea of the internet, so just as I resisted shutting down mail relay, I've resisted putting up a firewall. Nimda was the last straw.
And, Jay, you already have a pretty good firewall with you're email procedures regarding new registrants.
Ask the hundreds of TTers (including the 18 friends of Judith) who tried to join mote last summer but the firewall kept them out.
Please leave me your e-mail address. I would like to write you about something. It's rather urgent that I hear from you soon, so please let me know as soon as possible.
By the way, I loves me a Spam sandwich: fairly thick slices (3/16"), mayo or Miracle Whip, and, yes, iceberg lettuce on white bread. Must be fresh out of the can. After it's been refrigerated, it's only good for frying up for breakfast.
The world is a strange place. It just so happens that the president of the anti-quarry organization in the area is Mrs. Jeanette Sparkletoes.
and Arky...you came out from TV land!
Ever heard of churn? Havn't you guys noticed that you've had no new registrants since went into overdrive after banning JontheCad last spring.
(as he painfully pulls the lead out of his body from the self-inflicted shotgun blast.)
Anyone who has given any thought at all to the heightened search measures realizes that they are only window dressing, intended to reassure people who don't give any thought at all to security issues. The attacks did not exploit our shoddy search practices. They exploited our hijack protocol, which is get the plane to the ground safely (and which had changed before the day ended, albeit unofficially, to keep the plane from crashing into buildings). It is easy to think of ways to get weapons equivalent to a box cutter onto an airplane. And no search prevents someone from saying they have a bomb on the plane when they don't.
Writing that story, with the prominence they've chosen to use, undermines the only value that inheres in this change in search policy--getting people back in the air. I'm writing to Mortimer Zuckerman, Edward Kosner and Michael Goodwin at 450 W33rd Street 10001 to express this point of view. I'd appreciate Moties in the tristate area also writing such letters, if, of course, they agree with me.
If you want to be useful why don't you convincing the people in charge to fix the email registration problem so that lurkers can post.
And I would think you would be as POed as anyone here since you promised to get 18 TTers to join mote only to have 0 show up.
"The Missing 18" were your local readers from your TT television threads---especially the MTV and Buffy ones.
And a few of my friends did make it over here; you're just so busy fomenting unrest you've not noticed.
He's the only new person since June.
And if Proudnerd isn't new, who is?
I'm on a community computer so someone could perhaps impersonate me and perhaps run amok electronically, perhaps launching a torrential series of blows about the Mote's head and shoulders, each blast more devastating than its predecessor. Perhaps.
I am alive and well. My office is just a few blocks from the WTC, so I had a long walk home on 9/11. I know a few people who died that day, and many more were friends of friends.
I am touched by the show of concern. Thank you.
I'm so glad to hear you are okay. And I hope you're doing well. Sorry about the loss of people you knew; it must be really difficult.
We're all in this together, more or less.
(Thanks, Arky )
Good to see your moniker in here once again, and I'm sorry for what you must have witnessed, experienced and endured since that tragic event.
I hope you are back here to stay ?
Jay, I just saw your post. I completely agree with you about the terrorist exploiting our hijack policy and have been saying so since the first day. But there have been many, many articles about "lax" security, all of them missing the point.
I thought Cringely said it best, in this piece written two days after the attack: A Man With A Hammer
"To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail," wrote Mark Twain. In the current, context this means that the organizations charged with reacting to this catastrophe will do so by doing what they have always done, only more of it. Congress, which controls the budget and passes laws, will want to pass laws and to allocate more money, lots of money, forgetting completely about any campaign promises. The military, which is the nation's enforcer, will want to use force, if only they can find a foe. The intelligence community, which gathers information, will want to be even more energetic in that gathering, no matter what the cost to the privacy of the millions of us who aren't thinking of terrorist acts. And agencies like the Federal Aviation Administration, which regulate, will want to create more stringent regulations. Now here is an important point to be remembered: All these parties will want to do these things WHETHER THEY ARE WARRANTED OR USEFUL OR NOT.
Glad to see you and hear that you are well all things considered. I'm very sorry to hear about your friends.
Good to see you, friend!
Mothers who Drink on TT has recently done something that Mgleason and I would like to copy here. It's a gift exchange among participants, and here's how it works.
Ssomeone is the central contact -I'd do it, if ya'll trust me with your home addresses, if not, maybe Diva or someone more trustworthy(g) will volunteer. Those who want to participate send their addresses to the contact, who assigns (randomly, supposedly) the recipients and gifters (not to one another).
Those of us who are willing to ship overseas need to indicate that they will do so, and the non-US participants also need to indicate if they mind sending to the US or if they prefer sending to Europe only (do we have anyone other than Irv that isn't in the US or Europe?).
It's a nice little pick-me-up, really. Let's do it.
If you'd like to participate, please indicate on the Cafe thread so that we can decide if we'll go ahead or not.
Thanks, and I hope everyone participates.
If you've e-mailed me either at my yahoo or hotmail accounts and I haven't responded, it's because I cannot open the mail.
Due to circumstances beyond my control (namely, idiot users) we are now restricted from accessing web-based e-mail accounts.
adriannecall@yahoo.com
How do we handle gatekeeper, or is that something you "pop" to?
OK, it looks like we're definitely going to have enough people, even if we don't end up having as many as I'd thought we would.
So. Signing up is available until Wed., Oct. 31 at midnight. Sign up by sending me an email at adriannecall@yahoo.com with your home address and please indicate if you're willing to ship overseas.
I'll try to get the matchups made by Thursday the first. Let's shoot for all gifts to be mailed by, at latest, November 10th.
See Mote Cafe, No. 54019
Red Cross Hoax
remember...it's turn your clock back one hour tonight..well at 2 am,
but I think I'll do mine earlier. Now it will be dark when we go to
work and dark when we get home. Yippeeee!
I posted this in Suggestions and New Threads by accident.
Well ? Why not go back an hour NOW, and omit your accident in the Suggestions Thread ? ;-)
... I think it's time for me to go get something to eat. This BYU game is getting out of hand ... I wish I could go back an hour when they had only a 10 point lead.
Thanks
Jenerator told me that gift exchange members are supposed to report what they get. What thread is that supposed to take place in?
The Falloween gift give-away is all under the Cafe's roof.
I'm guessing The Mote can now boast three federal agents to every one poster.
That quote neglects the part about knowledge of science. That limits it to Ace, who is of course an Expert on Everything.
Knowledge of science.
I am cleared.
I can, however, do a reasonable facsimile of Thomas Dolby.
"Science!"
That should merit the attention of at least one agent.
"What are you looking at? You're laborers; you should be laboring. That's what you get for not having an education." 
And while you are at it, support your assertion that I stated that "The Corner" is a rational argument against legalizing drugs. To the contrary, I asserted that "The Corner" should be required reading for anyone who purports to be knowledgeable on the subject of drug legalization, pro or con.
Then, support your assertion that I stated "a political candidate who professed his atheism/agnosticism would not get your vote, because he couldn't possibly be as 'good' or 'moral' as a person of faith." I made the claim, and stand but it, but your recounting of my reasons is nothing less than a perversion of my words.
I did state that Al Gore is evil. This was hyperbole. While he did pimp his dead sister, I actually do not believe (as aI stated) that he is truly the Spawn of Satan or the Beast.
1--I asserted that "The Corner" should be required reading for anyone who purports to be knowledgeable on the subject of drug legalization, pro or con. --that is my recollection, as well.
because he couldn't possibly be as 'good' or 'moral' as a person of faith
I believe you said the reasons were that you wanted the candidate to have the Judeo Christian morality and ethical framework, and to worry about an afterlife? You also stressed, when challenged, that it would only be your vote for President.
If my memory of your reasons is correct: I would accept Cartman's restatement as accurate, if sarcastic.
If my memory of your reasons is incorrect, I am nearly positive that it had something to do with morality and ethics. Hence it's much the same thing.
You may as well have said, "I won't vote for blacks" and then protested when Cartman quoted you as having said you won't vote for niggers. The moment you associate the certainty of ethics and morality with religious beliefs, you went down that path.
If you are sure you didn't associate the reason with morality or ethics, I'll have to look it up to be sure.
3--I thought you'd said he slept with his dead sister.
Yes, but only posthumously.
As for the other, I disagree with your recollection as well.
As Cartman and now you have made what I deem to be inaccurate and reckless allegations, it is incumbent upon you to
1) support that allegation with my words
2) withdraw the allegation, and inquire as to my position without reference to what I deem your faulty and uncharitable recollections.
Only upon support (with my quotes) or withdrawal of the calumny will I engage further in discussion of the matter, in the Religion or Politics Thread.
I appreciate your acceptance of one of my terms.
You said, As for the other, I disagree with your recollection as well.
That means you not only agree with Cartman's comment, as you quoted, but also my recollection and my observation that I considered them synonomous.
Thus I am asking to what extent you disagree with my recollection.
Disagree, obviously. Sorry.
...
I don't like some guy thinking he's the be all and end all directing social policy or making nuclear decisions.
I want him like me. The clouds rumble, we both put our beers down and say "God mad!"
10389. 109109 - 12/15/99 6:59:25 AM
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It is a religious electorate. No front-runner is going to be an avowed atheist. Is it a good thing? Depends on the atheist who is disqualified due to his atheism. But democarcy requires appeal to voters, and a basic prerequisite (today, at least) of American democracy is that a potential president be at least nominally religious (i.e., express belief in a Supreme
Being). This does not necessarily mean that a candidate need speak in tongues or be free of sin. Reagan was no church goer. But he shared a fundamental and expressed view that he was working from a Judeo-Christian ethic. I have
yet to see the downside to this expression. I have yet, in fact, to see an otherwise qualified atheist bemoan his or her philosophical exclusion from the process. (emphasis mine)
10390. 109109 - 12/15/99 7:00:04 AM
I suppose you could supplant a belief in God with a belief in Mulder and Scully, but I'm not sure it changes the equation. In short, most voters look for some like moral force in their candidates, and the entrance fee to that
discussion is a belief in God.
...
I agree that people are entitled to their own opinions. I agree that atheism does not mpute some sort of taint of inherent immorality or hubris on the nonbeliever. If, however, you are asking me to weigh it, I'd have to see the
whole package, and I admit to a certain leeriness as to a president who does not believe in God. I'd want to know more. Just as I'd want to know more about a candidate who handles snakes in his or her off hours. An atheist "rejects all religious beliefs and the existence of God." In that I don't, this would certainly weigh heavily in my analysis, probably more so than whether a candidate holds the same position as I on ethanol subsidies. But that's just me.
Agnosticism is a lack of assuredness as to the existence of God, which is probably doable for a modern candidate.
Emphasis mine; it is selected primarily because it is so clearly at odds with all your other statements.
You are in error about agnosticism, btw. It would not be doable, and only some agnostics ponder it to the point of making that statement. Many would say, "I neither know nor care if God exists", and this would be a strike against them, I think.
Ace
Fair enough. But the Bush error (of many years ago) was in articulating the harsh reality of most religions when he stated that "Christians only" is the rule in heaven. Politically, this is best left unsaid. And Cal is correct. For purposes of doctrine, this aspect is also dicey for many "Christians" (the conundrum of the Hutu baby slaughtered in the crib - damned?). Spuds is
articulating a new version which is catching hold (for obvious reasons) in the new generation of Christians. Some scoff and call it Christianity Light. Others cal the teachings of Jesus. For many folks, myself included, my adult religious experience is spent in large measure reconciling the issue.
10634. 109109 -12/16/99 7:56:42 AM
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I don't believe it is bigotry to vote against a candidate because you believe they are beholden to their religion in a manner that makes you uncomfortable. Indeed, as you correctly point out, were I to hold this view, I would be a
hypocrite, for I am similarly uncomfortable with voting for someone who does not believe in God.
...Individuals are free to assess the status quo as much as they'd like, but the status quo is no more than the collective opinion of the many, and it is largely immune from "reassessment." People take the affirmation seriously because, to them, expression of faith is a measure of a man. Indeed, it may be a measure of a man to you. You and the rest of the electorate merely accord it different weight. Implicit in my joking references was the serious point that knowing whether someone believes in God tells me something about them that pleases me when I am asked to make a judgment as to the leader of the country.
"Would you, in other words, refuse to vote for someone who mirrored most of your political opinions, merely because he was an atheist?"
I don't know. I would have to see the candidate in 47 town meetings, debates, photo ops, and press conferences. But I'll admit that it would be a strike against him, for the reasons I've stated.
11061. 109109 - 12/20/99 11:56:23 AM
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Regardless, I start with an admitted bias against atheists, as I stated back in the 10300s to Cartman (at the onset of this discussion). Of course, all choices do not lend themselves to absolutes.
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11067. 109109 - 12/20/99 12:16:02 PM
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I obviously treat belief in a God differently than other characteristics (race, gender, et al.)
As for your hypothetical, I'd have to see the candidates. All I can offer you is my general predilection in favor of a candidate who believes in God.
Emphasis mine, again.
Thank you for your work.
Cart's asserted that I stated "a political candidate who professed his atheism/agnosticism would not get [my] vote, because he couldn't possibly be as 'good' or 'moral' as a person of faith"
I stated that a political candidate who professed his atheism/agnosticism would not get my vote, because
1. "It is a religious electorate."
2. "Democracy requires appeal to voters, and a basic prerequisite (today, at least) of American democracy is that a potential president be at least nominally religious (i.e., express belief in a Supreme Being)."
3. "most voters look for some like moral force in their candidates, and the entrance fee to that
discussion is a belief in God."
4. "I agree that atheism does not impute some sort of taint of inherent immorality or hubris on the nonbeliever."
5. "If, however, you are asking me to weigh it, I'd have to see the whole package, and I admit to a certain leeriness as to a president who does not believe in God."
6. Other generalized pronouncmenets of my own preferences stated in non-judgmental or moral terms.
Not one statement as to a political candidate who believes in God being better or more moral than one who expresses a belief in God.
Not one.
In fact, an express disclaimer in "I agree that atheism does not impute some sort of taint of inherent immorality or hubris on the nonbeliever."
Indeed, I left the door open to voting for an athiest when I said, "I don't know. I would have to see the candidate in 47 town meetings, debates, photo ops, and press conferences. But I'll admit that it would be a strike against him, for the reasons I've stated."
Cart's charge, and your endorsement of same, is now proven to be patently false.
As a gentleman, I will accept an apology, and nothing less, if either of you wish to discuss this further.
I've got better things to do.
Does that mean you're ready to sign up for an "Osama For President" campaign?
He believes in God, you know.
Thus Cartman's sarcasm aside, his representation was reasonably accurate.
I am sure you weren't surprised by these quotes; you probably think there is some difference between the two. In the same discussion that I quoted from you told Spudboy that his differentiation between "dislike of fundamentalists" and "religious intolerance" was akin to a person arguing he wasn't a bigot because he had a preference for lightskinned vs. darkskinned black people. That analogy applies to any protests you would make here, as well.
You have stated a direct bias against atheism (and since you're wrong about agnosticism, it counts for that, too). You make it clear that the candidates political opinions are insufficient in and of themselves to cause you to support a candidate. You declare that "belief in god" is different from race, gender, etc--something I trust you don't rely on in your daily work life, since I believe most employment laws include religion along with race and gender? (I like the "etc" covering that up.)
You offer no proxy--eg, all atheists are Communists, or they all agree with that crazy dead woman. There is no political offering for your bias. It is entirely a moral opposition.
You would probably not post the same sentiments above substituting "Jew"--although "Muslim" might be safer than it was two years ago, it would still be chancy.
It is a prejudice. It is a moral one. And Cartman's restatement, with or without sarcasm, is a reasonably accurate restatement of your beliefs.
Signed,
The lightskinned one
This one doesn't and I'm not so sure "most" do. Many, perhaps, but it would be hard to claim most.
I emphasized comments that I either felt were relevant for one reason or another. For example, I highlighted your assurances that it wasn't a moral issue to make sure you didn't think I missed it. I highlighted the Reagan comment because it demonstrated where my mind had dredged up the "judeo christian" bit. They were not intended to be proof, per se--the whole of the posts served that.
I ask two questions:
1. Would you have posted the same sentiments substituting the word "Jew"?
2. Did you, or did you not, state that a failure to believe in god is relevant in your voter preferences for other than political reasons?
Could be...many people are uncomfortable discussing religion or the lack thereof.
Francis, you have said that an atheist candidate starts out with a "strike" against him. How does this not make the candidate who does believe in God "better"?
You have said that the candidate who does not believe in God thinks that he is "the be all and end all"--unlike you and others who know to fear God. That isn't a statement about the atheist's morality? (and a misstatement, at that)
I have found that generally, atheists in real life are much nicer than on the Internet.
I've found that to be true of many people! ;-)
Since we don't have a You Said that I Said that He Said Thread I would be inclined to say take it to Politics or Religion.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Gobble.
Gobble.
Online publishers and advertisers are closely watching a new experiment in Web marketing that aims to replace discredited "impressions" and "clicks" with a more reliable measurement: time.
C/Net Article
Interesting.
I still think the ability to measure time is what ultimately harms online advertising.
I wonder what would happen if TV advertisers were able to measure how many of their viewers changed the channel during commercials?
Before the war, he was averaging 2.9 million hits per day. It then went up to 3.9 million, and recently has been sliding down to 3.7.
He publishes the numbers daily.
They probably wouldn't be very happy. But I think the primary value of big-company advertising is the instantaneous impression. That is, it's not (very) important that you see the entire GM commercial about whichever SUV they're selling. The important thing is that you absorb the GM name so that when you're ready to make a purchase, you'll consider GM.
Suppose a new auto company forms, Smedlap Motors. Even though they're selling superb cars for less money, you'll be inclined to pass for a while until Smedlap establishes a track record. That is, until you're familiar with the Smedlap name. With GM, you know the name, thus you know approximately what you're getting.
As I said, a primary value but not the only one, of course.
I'm not disputing Drudge's numbers but how do we know they're honest? Is there independent verification?
I've always wondered why the Times or other media outlets didn't put together a name recognition quiz and then offer readers a freebie (like maybe 3-4 free documents from their archive?) to take the test.
I've seen at least one quiz like that and it amazed me how many big-company logos a bunch of 10-year-old kids knew. A couple were obvious to me (like the Nike swoosh) but most rang a bell only after the company was revealed.
btw, the Times wouldn't need to give anything away. People love to take quizzes for free as long as they get to see the results.
If we continue, let's move to another thread.
As a one man shop, the pressure to keep it up to date 24/7 must be immense.
I think they are what he says. Raw numbers on how many clicks (not chicks) who sign on to his site.
Trivia question: The Congressional intern Levy, just before she was murdered by Rep. Condi, signed on to read the Drudge Report.
Have a pleasant gobble.
Actual Nicknames of Chicago and Cicero Mobsters
Anthony “Tony the Hatch” Chiaramonti
John “Johnny Apes” Monteleone
Sam “Wings” Carlissi
Anthony “Little Tony” Zizzo
Ernest “Rocco” Infelise
Felix “Col. Sanders” Matteuci
Anthony “Big Tuna” (formerly “Joe Batter’s”) Accardo
Tony “Ant-nee” Accardo
Frank J. “Baldy” (or “Bones”) Maltese
Salvatore “Solly D” DeLaurentis
Frank “Skids” Caruso, father of Frank “Toots” Caruso
John “No Nose” DiFonzo
Joseph “Joey the Clown” Lombardo, Sr.
Sam “Momo” Giancana
Vincent “The Saint” Inserro
I love these nicknames.
I don't even want to know how he came by that one!
Pelle "Chainsaw" Nilsson
Is it Indiana Jones?
AytchMan hosts this thread.
I host the Mote annex, but I have no position here except for hosting R&P with you.
I just couldn't remember who it was. I thought I was suppose to ask those kinds of questions here? I'm trying to find the moderator.
Is everything okay? Did I offend you? I didn't mean to.
No wonder Bush won the election!!!
To clarify: my employer put a network-wide firewall block against all web-based e-mail accounts. Knowing this was pending, I resigned from my position as Gatekeeper.
You shouldn't have to dignify his remarks with a response; you gave out this info at the time and if he missed it, too bad.
BTW, don't tell me Dr. No has taken on the role of gatekeeper, as well, as wearing her other hats of punishing her enemies, bragging about imaginary group sex and protecting a poster who revealed personal information about others.
"BIGGGG TROUBLE !!!! DO NOT OPEN "WTC Survivor" It is a virus that
will erase your whole "C" drive. It will come to you in the form
of an E-Mail from a familiar person.
I repeat a friend sent it to me, but called and warned me before
I opened it. He was not so lucky and now he can't even start his computer!
Forward this to everyone in your address book. I would rather receive this
25 times than not at all.
If you receive an email called "WTC Survivor" do not open it.
Delete it right away! This virus removes all dynamic link libraries (. dll
files) from your computer. "
Google votes to put surfers in charge
I can't believe anyone would fall for that but then, I'm always surprised when the local news does a story on little old ladies who give gypsy palm readers fifty grand, too.
The laughing reply: "Because you look so stupid."
Marriages of that kind were not uncommon in the South at that time. The British press did not understand that or chose not to try.
But he was a crazy man. And a great artist.
A journalist, told that Chuck is available, knocks and enters his room. He finds Chuck having a sandwich while a teenager gives him fellatio.
Jornalist: Mr Berry, what about ...
Chuck: Just let me finish my sandwich, will you kid?
Do not open any email that says "Hi, I saw this screen saver and immediately thought of you"
The attachement is a worm virus. Delete the email immediately and you should be okay.
October, 2000 -- 1 to 700
Currently -- 1 to 300
2008 (estimated) -- 1 to 10
2013 (estimated) -- 1 to 2 !!!
I hasten to add that the estimates come from an email scanning service but still...
What shape completes the bottom line?
triangle pentagon square
square hexagon hexagon square
pentagon hexagon hexagon hexagon square triangle
hexagon octagon octagon octagon octagon ==?==
Guesses in white font, please.
One shape only is required.
It's so good you have to toggle it off (just a doubleclick in the system tray) to open any new browser window, a small price to pay.
What's target=new? A browser security setting?
Oh, of course. No, it won't open a new window.
733--
Give PopUp Stopper a try just to see the difference. Pop-ups have always driven me crazy (even when infrequent). Surfing is much more mellifluous without them.
See New Threads...
And I found a chair. The series continues...
And I found a chair. The series continues...
(CG: the target=new function does work for me)
Oh. I thought the =?= meant two, so is the first of the two right?
Fray archive?
Re puzzle: negatory.
Regard the following data on download managers (from ZDNet):
On a 56K dial-up line,
IE5 ------- 3.8 kbs
DAP ------- 5.7
FlashGet -- 5.9 (winner)
GoZilla --- 5.0
On cable connections, FlashGet does even better. Note that Download Accelerator Plus wastes a lot of time after completion on housekeeping.
Lesson: Use FlashGet, especially over your painfully-inept IE browser.
I'm trying to date a book that has lost its cover and copyright page.
My guess is that it's from the early 1830s.
Most likely, the site had a failure so they're restoring from an old backup file.
But sometimes spammers will spoof the system such that a new email ad will appear down the list as if it's a few days old. I guess they figure you're more likely to open it (?!).
What accounts for the wild fluctuation in the upper estimates of population I wonder? I mean, it's 10 times the low estimate in 10000 BC and then over the course of less than 4000 years the population halves and then doubles while the low estimate remains steady. It seems that for such huge population shifts there would have to be some kind of natural disaster, but if that's the case then everyone's numbers should be affected not just those on the high end of guesstimation.
Is there a line missing from your quiz?
white font
Looks like there should be a five item line or....oh, wait, that =?= didn't mean two items but only one, yes? Lemme go back and see what I see.
the book lists one date in the text as November 13, 1827. I'm assuming that the copyright wasn't much later.
I buy antique theology books whenever possible. This one describes al of the different world religions.
Another clue as to its date, is that it refers to Islam as Mahometism.
You don't like CG? I thought for sure you would have enjoyed the wine issue in October.
moi? nag?
surely you jest...
You don't like CR? I thought for sure you would have enjoyed the wine issue in October.
The sculptor sent me an attachment with the Bicameral Mind photos but it wouldn't open so he said he'll give me a hard copy of them on Sunday. I'll send them along...
You can't find the post because there isn't one. I got sidetracked and forgot to announce. The thread will be accessible through the Archives link and future links can be posted in corresponding/topical threads, but there've been less than 200 posts in EtI in the last six months so I'm laying it to rest.
I shall see you all under a new guise sometime in the new year.
God bless us everyone.
Any tips/warning/advice?
As for the install itself, the standard advice applies. Make sure you have all necessary drivers, ID numbers, backup files and plenty of time.
It's scary...
And it installed my printer, no problemo.
Took about 25 minutes - what an incredible relief!
I'm having a bear of a time shutting down and powering up. It says I'm missing a dll file?
What is this, and how do I get it?
Procedure for finding twain.dll, according to this it's a problem that can occur upgrading to Win98.
It appearas to belong to Adobe, but I'm not sure if that's relevant.
If you can reproduce the actual error message, you might be able to look it up.
One down, one to go.
Thanks, Cal.
At one point, I started getting messages saying that the file it was installing was older than the one it was replacing, so do I want to keep or replace.
This time I kept.
During my first install, I believe I clicked "No to all".
if you ever update your OS or IE version, Outlook Express is reinstalled unless you hack the install program. one of the most irritating things about M$ is the way the sneak shit it, imho.
Why?
In the wake of the nation's generosity towards the victims of a one-day calamity, I was curious as to whether such an organization existed. $1.6 million to family of four in Fort Bragg or Fort Benning would go a long way.
The idea has always been that the death benefits are sufficient--and they are considerable. That's what makes the additional money to the firefighters and police officers so unnecessary, as well. They get a generous package that costs the city quite a bit of money. One would think that the charities could at least give that much money back to the city before spreading the rest of the largesse among families that are already getting a lot of money.
dll's are dynamic link library files. Basically, they're the spaghetti web of software that interconnects your applications to various Windows operating system services.
Always keep (or install) the latest version whenever you upgrade anything.
If you want to make your voice heard against ultra-orthodox policies in Israel and the US, register now to vote in the election for delegates to the 34th World Zionist Congress. The deadline is Jan. 18 and the election happens in March, when voters will receive ballots by mail.
Registration costs $4, payable by credit card. To register, go to the ARZA website.
Short explanation of what ARZA is:
ARZA/WORLD UNION, North America is the official representative of the American Reform Jewish community for all issues pertaining to Israel, Zionism and Reform Judaism worldwide. It is an affiliate of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations and the North American representative to the World Union for Progressive Judaism. ARZA/WORLD UNION represents the Reform community to the World Zionist Congress. Our efforts in this campaign are supported by the UAHC, the Commission on Social Action of Reform Judaism, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, Women of Reform Judaism and the North American Federation of Temple Brotherhoods. You do not have to be a member of ARZA/WORLD UNION to register.
What is the World Zionist Congress?
The World Zionist Congress is the only international forum where American Jews have direct influence on critical issues facing Israel and the relationship of Israel to the world Jewish community. The WZO wields considerable influence over how our charitable contributions, through the UJC and the Jewish Agency, are spent in Israel.
More info available at the website.
Is it PDF online only, or any browser page?
I don't use anything AOL but (possibly) there's some default printer setting in the browser that's been trashed. Search through the browser's preferences, you may spot something.
Relevant question: what's the last thing you changed before the problem occurred? Such as installing a new program or changing settings on some utility. That's often the cause.
I don't believe it is with the ISP, since it seems to only happen on one computer, and the problem is very consistent. I can be logged on for several hours and then boom. It disconnects. If I connect again, I can go maybe five-ten minutes and it disconnects again. This will continue until I reboot. Once I reboot, the problem clears and I can go several hours.
It doesn't matter if the several hours is contiguous or split up--ie, if I reboot, dial in for twenty minutes, disconnect, come back five hours later and dial in for three hours, disconnect, come back the next morning and dial in and in about two hours it will disconnect me. Or I can do the several hours straight and it will disconnect. So it is total time online.
It never used to occur and seemed nearly out of hte blue--although I'm sure it's not. I've logged my sessions, but there is no error message I can see. Don't know what to look for. I checked with the ISP who gave me some suggestions that I tried and didn't fix it. Haven't had the energy to go back to them for another round, although I will.
What do you suggest as a good basic security program for a home computer? I mean, what all should we have on it to feel safe...or rather, as safe as we can feel these days? Thanks...
Modem disconnects are probably downstream of Win98, that is, it's probably your ISP. There is, however, one default setting somewhere in Win9x that's related to length of connection. Unfortunately, the name of it escapes me at the moment.
Who's your ISP? Many of them, including MSN, arbitrarily disconnect after a set time, particularly at peak periods. The Free ISP's were notorious for this.
Depends on your type of connection, dial-up or always-on (cable or DSL). Which type do you have?
I've gotta hit the road but I'll pontificate further anon.
I've wondered about this and have no answer. But you're required to furnish your name and address and four dollars. Presumably, you can be vetted if anyone wants to go to the trouble. And if anyone can establish just who's Jewish and who isn't. (For this organization's purposes, I am, because my mother converted in a Reform ceremony. But were this a Conservative or Orthodox organization, they would not consider me Jewish: as Hebeness is passed on matrilineally. So naturally, I have a stake in the election of liberal Jews to the Zionist National Congress.)
"Is it PDF online only, or any browser page?"
Any browser page.
Thanks, I'll look. If I can discover where AOL preferences are buried.
I'm posting some computer security stuff in Technical Issues.
I did a little experirment and found I am able to print from online using Netscape, so figured the prob must certainly be AOL-related. Following a suggestion in an HP faq, I downloaded the most recent version of AOL (7). It took forever.
I still can't print from online via AOL. What a pain in the ass.
Two things you might consider:
1. Reinstall your printer. This should be relatively simple. It's possible that AOL torqued up some setting in Windows.
2. Update your printer driver. If there's a newer version available, it might correct some conflict with the AOL software.
I'm not overly optimistic that either of these will work but they might be worth a try.
Both are detailed, complex and time-consuming. You cannot simultaneously play these games and hold a job.
EU is a very detailed simulation of the rise of Europe from 1492 to 1792. You control one of the major nations and attempt to expand your power and influence, diplomatically, militarily and economically.
Although EU runs in real-time, it's a thinker's game. You can pause it at will to issue commands. The map is based on provinces (1500 or so!) and actually includes the entire world. You command armies, navies, explorers and settlers to colonize and/or conquer Europe and the Americas primarily but the whole world is accessible.
The graphics are decent, about what you'd expect from a strategy game these days.
There's a new version out (EU2) which really equates to EU 1.5. Thus, EU is cheap now at about $15.
The game has come out of nowhere to become very popular within its strategy-game niche. If you like Civ and Imperialism, you'll like EU although it eats time. Take a look at www.europa-universalis.com.
I don't have them in front of me but they're not bad. Neither version has the graphics drag of an action game even though they run in real time. A 400-MHz slug would be plenty.
The battles run over a period of several days. One day is the smallest increment of time in the game. Each day, losses are assessed and, sooner or later, one side breaks. But there's no action. Think Civilization, not Quake.
At your convenience, can I get a current email address for you? Thanks.
I'm not having any problems with anything. Are you still slow and glitchy?
I should mention that I know zip about scanners; my dad just bought it for me because I'd mentioned I wanted to get some old family photos online.
My scanner does folio size.
Have you installed the software?
What's the special attraction of AOL supposed to be?
***
Just want to note that I'm following all scanner commentary with interest, thanks.
I've been using Mindspring/Earthlink since we first got online (about 5 years ago) and I rarely ever get knocked offline. In fact, I've been really pleased so far with their service -- never had any problems logging on (busy signals) either.
was tonedef your moniker or would we know you by a different one?
how'd you find us?
I went cold turkey and quit posting to the Fray when Msoft announced it was winding things up, so i guess I missed the announcement of the Mote's creation.
I found y'all by doing a google search of Fray monikers - it was jjbiener's name that led me to you.
i see marshame, kuligin et al are still active in the religion thread, and I recognize some other names too - e.g. CalGal, Diva - does mondaugen ever drop by? HoldenCaufield?
I was ChristinO in the Fray. I saw your post in the Cafe and responded.
Good to have you here!
one of his better pics
I've been tinkering with a particular mix of spices for some time now and am interested in trying out the results, along with a couple of recipes, on any willing victims who a) enjoy spicy food and b) would be willing to provide feedback.
If you're interested, here's the deal: You email me at LOUSLOUXTWIGN@aol.com and provide a mailing address. I'll send you a packet of reddish powder which is not anthrax or otherwise dangerous, but rather an approximation of Ethiopean berbere. Along with it will be included a recipe for a beef or vegetable curry dish that will serve two or three normal people. (Please specify whether you prefer a meat or vegetable recipe, or both.)
You would then try out the recipe(s) and report back to me via email, or in whatever thread in the Mote you direct me to, on 1) how you liked the spice mixture, 2) whether it was too hot, 3) whether the recipe(s) were easy to follow.
The recipes should not be very expensive to make. Ingredients would include beef suitable for stir-frying (a tender top round or london broil will do), carrots, onions, green beans, garlic, butter, olive oil, rice, and about a cup of your favorite merlot, cabernet, or dry sherry (even port will do in a pinch).
Thanks for your attention, and feel free to return now to your regularly scheduled programming.
Sounds yummy Andonly!
I just found this using Ask Jeeves...
There, I feel better.
Carry on.
Local ISP's are fine with one caveat: be wary of buying a long subscription to get a cheaper rate. The locals enter and leave the market with great rapidity and you could get stuck. Find a reputable one and you'll be okay.
As a rule, the majors (AOL, etc) don't use local ISP's. They generally install and manage their own equipment precisely because of the above problem.
Keynote, an independent testing group, has reported that, between October 1999 and January 2002, page-load times for 40 popular consumer sites (at 56K) have increased from 14.3 to 21.2 seconds.
But things have been very slow lately when dialed up to Earthlink.
resignation report
Is there a way to download the contents of folders directly to a user's computer without first transferring them to 'inbox' and using pop3 download?
I posted this on yahoo help, but somehow I doubt it'll get answered because it looks like there's about a thousand questions a day (some of which are effectively the same as what I asked with not answers, of course).
I just picked up a copy of Europa Universalis 2 for $20.
Thus, I have an old copy of EU available (plus a couple of other oldie-but-goodie strategy titles). If someone will give them a good home, I'll ship 'em for free (up to five or six bucks). Think of it as a belated Holiday Season High-Five.
Please be good enough to identify the statement in the Propaganda thread or apologize. I am insulted by your charge of deliberately confusing the issue.
Your continued existence will then be at risk as the killer slashes among us.
I just got a slew of emails from you, four to my cell and 8 or 10 to my mailbox. They suggested I check out a website. Is this for real?
I deleted them all. It seemed odd to me; if it were really Wabbit, wouldn't she mention the Mote or something to identify herself?
And to tell you the truth, I didn't think it was really her because I've never received any answer to two e-mails I've sent her over the past 3 months and thought it odd she'd be sending me anything now after ignoring those. But possibly they never arrived...
I never heard of Elmo Warren but it's good to know it was really her. I seriously thought she had moved to some backward place with no internet access. :-)
Make sure you empty your Deleted Items folder, too, Judith.
I don't follow links from anyone unless I am very sure I know them; don't open attachments, either. But I guess in the case of a virus infiltrating friend's address lists, you could still get burned because you do know them and feel comfortable following the links you thought they sent...
The multiple emails are a result of an address book import feature at that website - don't use it! There was no warning and it evidently isn't functioning properly. Sorry about that.
Judith, I haven't gotten any emails from you, I swear I would have responded.
Meanwhile,
DIVA!!!
I just figured my mail hadn't arrived because I felt you'd have answered...and then, of course, it became somewhat moot so I didn't get unnerved over it. ;-)
How have you been?
I have to laugh at the things that are happening, everything becomes a new experience, like turning my head and *not* falling over! I damn near fell down the stairs in Penn Station a couple weeks ago. The poor guy who caught me thought I was drunk at first, but said he'd pray for me when he realized I wasn't. I love New York. Truly, it sounds worse than it is, it's inconvenient at worst and it does make for some fine entertainment at times.
< /whine>
Can you believe I went there in order to ditch spam from another freemail account I have?
At any rate, I think it's just a marketing tool rather than a virus. They can't send to folks if you don't import your address book------it got a really old version of mine which is thankful since the new one would've spammed my boss.
Sorry for perpetuating the spammy mail!
Hope you are doing better. I had a bout of virus-induced vertigo a few months ago. No fun. For a few days I was flat on my back or stomach or crawling to the bathroom to vomit. From the doc's warning I was afraid it might persist for months. Lucky me it cleared up in about a week.
Ms No: what is boxfrog?
I sincerely hope your condition will improve soon.
I am so sorry to hear you're doing poorly. I figured so since we haven't heard for you in so long, and didn't email because I didn't know if you were too ill to read and respond. I had asked MsNo about you.
Boxfrog.com is a freemail service like hotmail or yahoo. It remains to be seen if it's generally bad or if the spam thing was just a glitch. Even if the repeated mailings were a problem with the code I think it's pretty underhanded to automatically send mail to everyone in the address book without the owner's consent.
For what it's worth, I remain a fan and an ardent admirer of your remarkable gifts -- which, fortunately for Moties' sakes, have nothing to do with hearing and everything to do with thinking and seeing. All best wishes for astonishingly super recuperative leaps!
By the way, have you read that the British painter Walter Sickert is being touted as the real Jack The Ripper?
Can you recommend a nearby inexpensive eatery for quick-quotidian meals?
[By the way, I emailed my wife your previous recommendations and she said to encourage you to become a travel writer!]
I had a mild heart attack a few weeks ago, and I'm feeling ok if a little weak and scared. I'm adjusting to a lot of new medications right now.
Sak, WTF?!?!?! Are you OK? I had no iea you were sick. Sending you lots of hugs across the Pacific.
Thanks, Khaval. I feel fine except for the side effects. I have a heart arhythmia that went berzerk for some reason, but I'm ticking along ok now and nothing hurts.
Khaval, did WC tell you what is going on with their outage?
I am so glad that you are not in any pain! You are fit and young and -please God - will be jogging laps in no time :)
And, no. I have heard nothing from WC about what on earth is going on there. Every new outage becomes more and more terrifying. All the links to the various fora I clicked on earlier came up with a message that the forum may have been deleted.
I will not panic just yet though.
Can you imagine?! My God! I might have to do something productive if RI diappeared :)
Khaval, I guess in some cases it can be a big deal, since it can cause bloodclots. It was determined that I have to start taking drugs that make me nearly hemophiliac. We won't go into the most noticable side effects of that, but I seem to be surviving them so far.
What happened to me is that I had an episode of rapid heartbeat, such as I had always experienced from time to time since childhood, but it didn't stop for hours, until it was controlled with drugs in a hospital emergency room. Some small piece of my heart was starved for oxygen during all that pounding, maybe or maybe not due to a blood clot.
It's annoying. I'm not a good patient at all. I'm not sure I can trust all the medical advice I'm getting, either, so I'm nervous and obsessive about the slightest twinge. I'm not used to being sick.
And yeah: I know how horrible it is to be a patient when you are used to being a horse!
Remember when I was really truly buggered sick in AUgust last year? Puking and dizzy and unable to read the cimputer without getting all sick? Man was I pissed off! It felt like a total betrayal.
It fucks also with your self perception of being unassailable physically.
I think we are quite similar in this way: we have both assimilated into our identities our unusual physical strength, so it completely destroys all that is familiar in how you deal with yourslef and know yourself when your body betrays you.
Anyway, I have no doubt that you will be feeling great very soon. America does have the best healthcare in the world if you have a bit of money.
Whatever - I am sending lits of "get well soon" vibes - even though I am not a hippy type and don't normally produce "vibes" :)
SMOICH!
I feel better already.
So sorry to hear the news. Hope you get better soon.
We mosttly don't see eye to eye on any given issue but I was sorry to hear about your problem. I hope you will recover completely and permanently.
When trying to access khaval's forum at Worldcrossing.
It is one of the reasons I have been unable to sleep (it is now 8:00am here).
I am periodically tring to access my site and WC in general - without luck.
As soon as I know anything, I will post it here.
Seriously, though - if it is deleted, it is more than the disappearance of an obsessivve hobby. The forum was my major work attatchment project for my degree.
I will be well and truly fucked.
(wish there were a better emoticon for "rueful smile")
:-{
or:
(:}
Do tell us about your project.
If it is that important to you, it was foolish on many levels not to copy it. Since it is extremely unlikely that the entire database has been deleted, or that world crossing doesn't have backups, you'll probably get it back this time. Take advantage of that opportunity.
Pelle, Cal - how on earth would I go about backjing that stuff up? It is over 50 threads in someone else's server.
I don't have the thread-suck programme and even if I did, I would not know how to use it.
Anyway, the whole project requires contextualisation. It requires my supervisor to be able to access it via the internet and penetrate it as might any casual user.
It needs to be in the World Crossing general area so that the parallel fora and the ease with which populations move between them are clearly and easily visible.
Pelle, my course is in communications. I am going to have to write up the theory and logs and all sorts about the nature of running such an enterprise. Apart from the airy-fairy theory, there will also be explanations of such things as keeping the whole thing afloat without too many cries of personality; also using other fora and their management and content to compare and contrast with RI.
This is a really crap description of the project (I am dead tired), but simply, you can divide it into three parts:
1) The site itself, its participants, content, form, and management.
2) The communications theory behind running such a thing.
3) The log of events, descriptions and comparisons.
Interesting. When is it due? Will you make it available on-line?
As to whether I make it available online - that will depend on two things:
1) Whether I can work out how do do that :)
and
2) WHether I think it is decent enough for me to share with such erudite folk as those with whom I hobnob online :)
But yeah - it's quite likely
So sorry to hear of your illness. I sent you an email. Did you get it? I am sure you have been getting dozens.
Sak
Sorry about your problem, too. Sounds like A-fib (atrial fibrillation) to me which I have had for many years. It's not so bad and I am told not dangerous if one takes coumadin (warfarin). But it is important to have frequent protime tests, and keep the INR around 2.5.
Hello you other WC refugees! I was just yesterday agreeing with the bragging on how well it was doing.
Yes, I have atrial fibrulation and a defective heart valve. I'm taking coumadin. It shouldn't be too bad if I don't have another heart attack, a stroke, or bleed to death having a menstrual period. Anyway, it doesn't hurt too much.
I WANT MY FUCKING FORUM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bugger my school-work, and bugger any justifications, I just want my fucking forum to work and YES, I am going CRAZY without it!
I cannot procrastinate effectively without it! I cannot avoid making or taking social phone-calls without it! I CANNOT BE THE OFFENSIVE BITCH I WAS BORN TO BE WITHOUT IT!!!
Somebody, help!
*sweating and shaking, sweating and shaking*
smooch smooch smooch smooch
Thanks Diva :)
But isn't the spectating a form of procrastination for you?
I did my thesis on Internet addiction and used this site and TT for my work. I touched on the psychological, philosophical, and sociological aspects pertaining to it all as well as profile some prominent members.(;-)) and of course all of the airy-fairy theories in communications. My prof as well as the grading board enjoyed it and visited both sites.
From your proposed outline, I see that #2 will give you the most work!
Good luck.
we can discuss it in Health if you wish
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not into a full-fledged discussion of ailments, exactly, but it just seems I keep hearing about a lot of the same disorders here. Curious.
FWIW, I had bad bouts of tachycardia and PVC for years, was diagnosed with MVP, then undiagnosed (echocardiogram criteria for MVP have changed in the last few years--did you know?). Used to take tenormin to deal with it, but don't now.
Anyway, as I said, it just seems odd that lots of Mote members report similar ailments. Might be interesting to take a poll. Wonder if one could be designed to work anonymously?
Indoral=Indoril?????
Hashimoto's here.
I think I would like some clarification for what you meant exactly, by your comment:
From your proposed outline, I see that #2 will give you the most work!
The "#2" to which you refer is my statement:
2) WHether I think it is decent enough for me to share with such erudite folk as those with whom I hobnob online :)
Are you just proffering helpful advice here?
I think Jen meant Item #2 in your listing of parts in 2935.
Someone named Wolf A. at RI is asking why he can't get into the Mote...is auto register not working or has it been discontinued or what? It seems we have problems getting new people to post here because they can't get in.
and/or
I'm the conscience of the mote.
Wolf is an online friend of mine, an Armenian with a shady past and a dog called Klaus. In which thread did he post?
Hmmm, Judith, has Klaus had any strange calls lately? Especially international ones?
On backing up internet traffic, IE 5 has this in the help:
Making pages available for offline viewing
When you make a Web page available offline, you can read its content when your computer is not connected to the Internet. For example, you can view Web pages on your laptop computer when you don't have a network or Internet connection. Or you might want to read Web pages at home but do not want to tie up a phone line.
You can specify how much content you want available, such as just a page or a page and all its links, and choose how you want to update that content on your computer.
If you just want to view a Web page offline, and you don't need to update the content, you can save the page on your computer. There are several ways you can save the Web page, from just saving the text to saving all of the images and text needed to display that page as it appears on the Web.
That is, if you enable the relevant sites in the way that matches your needs, you back it up, in context, locally. If you then back up your computer to other media, you have all the bases covered.
A year and a half later, still no way for newbies to get into mote unless Ms. No says Yes.
Three posts by someone whose posts were buried in the inferno, and then he was offed, mafia style by mote's heavy, Ms. No.
Let's face it, gang, this place is the perfect example of nepotism.
Or, as JFK said about his brother, RFK, when he appointed him Attorney General of the United States in 1961: "I can't see that it's wrong to give him a little legal experience before he goes out to practice law."
Jon made an appearance, had something to say on each thread, stated that nothing had changed and decided to leave. I don't think that anyone pleaded with him to stay and continue sharing his deep insights into all areas of the human condition, which I am sure was a disappointment to him.
The facts are clear.
Starting to sweat, eh?
Provided, of course, we can locate the disappeared Francis.
well I can see that you know how to write but i haven't seen any contributions to the novel by either of you!
Starting to sweat, eh?
Not at all. About a month ago, I thought the momentum was going your way. After Cheney's Middle East trip and the recent flare-up in Afghanistan, though, I'm positive I'll make it.
Keep in mind that once (and if) the U.S. does decide to take Saddam out, it will in all likelihood take several months to accomplish.
I'm curious about the date because I wanted to be able to count down the months. Tomorrow is the 22nd, which means you only have eight more to go (by my calculation). And you aren't any closer to getting your money than you were four months ago.
Judith --
Last November, I bet Indy that Saddam would still be in power a year later. I gave him three to one odds, putting up three hundred U.S. dollars of mine to one hundred of his. Niner agreed to hold the money in trust for us, pending the outcome
You noticed Niner suddenly has the time to pen a novel, right? I wouldn't count on ever seeing that money again...$400 buys a lot of lattes.
darling, you are in the zone...feel free to dominate until I start deleting your posts.
"He killed my star character! Waaaaah!"
"Well, you killed mine first!"
yes, the killing characters thing annoys the hell out me but there is no reason that Jexter couldn't have survived...and he most surely did because I too had major plans beyond shoot 'em up...I wanna get back to that briefcase, I have several posts worth of Secret Society stuff.
Hey, that's they problem, not mine. Gee whilikers. I will take the clothes, though, thanks. I need a new muumuu.
There was a big debate about whether Crowley was a Satanist or not earlier, between angel-five and somebody (Jenerator and maybe somebody else). It's way back upstream in the Religion thread, if you want to try to track it down.
(To search a thread, I put my posts per page on 999 and use find. Not the easiest way of finding something, but all we have.)
As far as reigniting the debate, actually I did a Google search on the passage you were "quoting" from the Skullfuckers treatise and Crowley's name came up. Plus, our Alistair had just posted, so what the hey?
Here's the "Sexmagical" link.
But he shouldn't have pulled that knife.
don't worry 'bout Ivan, he was just too good looking for this story.
Indy,
There was a big debate about whether Crowley was a Satanist or not earlier, between angel-five and somebody (Jenerator and maybe somebody else).
i suspect that allowing Jen to speak on Crowley is as amusing as me speaking on christianity, I will go search the thread for a good laugh. does angel-five still pop in?
Plenty of scope for new authors.
I just sneezed, bit my tongue, and it's laid wide open -bleeding like a friggin' stuck pig..
A-5 disappears from here for months at a time and then shows up again for a while. That's his past record, anyway, but many posters who've followed this pattern seem to take longer and longer "vacations."
There are actually quite a few people there who are an even bigger pain in the ass, though, so the effect just isn't the same.
Other than that, no comment regarding RI except it doesn't appear very stable at the moment.
3 minutes from "stuck pig" to another subject.
Uh-oh. I hope Joe realized that.
JOE!! Are you there?
Put down the needle and thread and call 911!
I try to be cool and not use those little emoticons, and now look what I've done.
My one laptop is running out of memory a lot. Is there any tool I can use to see what is causing it to spike?
However, there are some ill-behaved apps that just leak memory. Over time, they'll drive it down to zero and crash.
The other culprit that I began using at about the same time is a 17" monitor. This PC was hooked up to my 21" for a year with no problems, but it didn't seem to adapt well to the 17".
In any event, I wonder about the handlers for both.
You may wish to wait another year or so. I'm hearing through the industry grapevine that the early sets do not contain some necessary circuitry for the various new copy-protection schemes being hatched. Thus, you may not be able to play the hot DVD's of 2004.
Check into it before a purchase. I'd hate to shell out 5 large for a shiny new set and not be able to enjoy the latest Pauly Shore tour de force.
You, of all people, Ms. TV Thread.
Yes, I know...I'm cheap when it comes to entertainment.
An Arrogant Windows XP Patch
I like google.
Esp since they stick the paying ads over in one corner so to speak. I love truth in ads.
Pelle and Cal, I am crushed that you forgot me.
Rubberducky, I need support so I will be rushing into your open arms soon.
Aytch, these days, all the excitement I get is provided by my loved ones. Besides, I did enough of adventure, romance, and deceit in my youth to last the rest of my life. Must concentrate on more mundane things such as storm-door installation nowadays.
Is anyone else having trouble getting and staying in here besides me?
Judith, I swear by ME because of the GoBack feature, very useful when I get an error such as the "dreaded blue screen".
Have you noticed any problems? Were you getting the blue screen before you upgraded?
I want to say that your contributions are very fine: inventive and highly amusing. We have not seen this side of your talent before.
BTW, I appreciated your introducing me as a character and affording the opportunity to relate a bit of my everyday experiences to the Mote at large with only minimal literary license.
Also, your characters helped vary the "sound" of the dialogue. Too many of the other characters talk alike.
I upgraded to ME a few months back. It's been very stable although not any faster overall. It boots to the desktop faster but then keeps loading stuff so you can't really do anything any sooner. It has a couple of useful new features bundled in (none of which occur to me at this time). But if your current config is running okay, I see no reason to upgrade, even if it's free.
otoh, I still recommend reinstalling the OS every so often (yearly) to clean out the gunk that agglomerates. Whenever that urge strikes would be a good time to make the switch.
i intended about 50,000 words. we're at about 20,000. you need only contribute what you like. this is going much faster than i had imagined and is far more coherent. i had this idea of a very irrelevant and discombobulated story and it's turned into something that's almost too precious and intimidating for many to join in with. In otherwords, it's very good thanks in large part to you. anyway, this is a game and it won't be fun if you play for any other reason than joy.
Ringmaster at the circus is the most I would aspire to--not solo magician.
As far as the story being precious, everything at the Mote is precious...if by precious you mean incestuous.
anyway...i suspect some of us just may not have the time you do. Plus attendance has been sparse on the Mote in General the last few weeks. Diva, bubba, judith, Pelle and I have all contributed in the last 24 hours...perhaps you are overlooking our noble prose.
Where's blood-thirsty zojak? And the esoteric ivan?
Oh, I'll be back. Mayhem on the amotian novel express comin' up soon.
What are the benefits of phone cards?
Are they cheaper overall?
Primarily used when away from home?
Primarily used in place of cell phones?
Can be bought for cash in small amounts?
Can they be used for direct dial?
Obviously, I've never used one.
You get a known price per minute. Payphones (back when they existed) are iffy in their rates.
Many people don't pay for long distance at home--for example, roommates may want to avoid arguing over the phone bill. Or sometimes you can't get a good rate at home--maybe bad credit, maybe you can't get the best deals because you don't have the volume, whatever.
I know they are used extensively by Mexicans working here (both legally and illegally), but I can't remember why. I think they are used as a cash substitute, but I'm not sure.
I imagine the fact that they can't be traced is useful.
They can't be used for direct dial.
Thankfully they've both grown up a bit since then.
some of those really cheap rate ones also have a "call cost" or whatever they call it...like two bucks to even start the conversation...I used them all the time when i was in college and when I was "homeless". They're pretty low hassle and can be a decent deal if you find ones that aren't scams.
Notice: this post is worth all of your cocktail party gasbaggery.
are we reading the work of a tease?
The woman who fixes me either breakfast, or lunch practically everyday has a mother ( about 70 years of age is my guess ) who is here legally from Iran with a green card. She wants to go to France to visit some friends, but was told she had to purchase insurance ( about $200.00 ) before they would issue her a visa. Is this some new post 9/11 thing, or could her frail age be a factor ?
... Unless it was lumped into my plane fare and I didn't know about it, I don't remember having insurance required to travel to or in Europe. Everyone I've asked so far, including my travel agent, says it's recommended, but NOT required. What's going on here, anyone know fer sure ?
Thanks in advance! :)
FOUL STENCH! Well. Gracious, you might at least have said that the scent of Coco by Chanel wafted from the depths of the cave, it would have been more accurate.
Wedgies for you, funnel-boy.
Artistic license?
Assume the position.
me and bubb got that effect on people.
Submit Pelle. You can run but you can't hide. (Your hide is ours.)
I will be requesting a new moniker shortly.
Additionally, Caesar will be abdicating his co-hosting duties of the Sex Thread and wishes to thank Cellar for his work with Casear on the thread.
Lastly, Caesar asks that Smack in the Middle of Hell be retired as a thread. Caesar is not sure he liked where it was going, but if he does, he'd like to store up some chapters and release it later so as not to disappoint his many readers.
Thanks.
Us good folk anyway. The rest will be wired to think they're in the dentist's chair without novacaine.
we already are.
thanks. academia is boring the hell out of me so it's nice to air my mental unmentionables once in a file.
I thought it was published in Slate, but a search there yields nothing helpful. If anyone is able to direct me to the article it would be much appreciated.
Alternatively, I would appreciate any heads up re: articles arguing that the pursuit of dominance in a local or regional market makes better sense than the pursuit of a marginal share of a national or international market.
get a print from Kinko's and get it framed and matted locally. costs a lot, but it'd be worth it if that's what you really want.
Is a print from a Web image going to have very good quality? Also, that site does a good job of protecting its images by having them served up through CGI rather than directly. (If I wanted to put the effort into it, I think I could defeat their protection, but I don't mind paying for the poster instead, if someone has it for sale.)
huh? just right click and pick Save Picture As...
as for quality, go to a photo store in the mall with your JPEG in hand and see what they tell you. you should get a decent resolution with their newer equipment (Kinko's was just a common name - i.e. Scotch tape for clear tape)
well, i just e-mailed it to your resourceful.com address.
let me know how it works out for ya.
It will be simple:
1) I will be the moderator
2) I will call for contestants
3) I need at least 16 contestants
4) Each contestant will have to "buy" a slot with a pledged "gift" (i.e., a gift certificate for a book at Amazon, a favorite CD, a box of golf balls, a T-shirt, a 12 pack from the region, a recipe, whatever)
5) I will set up brackets by picking names out of a hat, much like the NCAA.
6) I will set convenient dates and times for the contests, which will be 21 questions on any subject, previously chosen by myself.
7) I will clear convenient dates with contestants
8) At that time, I will appear on the thread, verify that both players are present, and commence with the game as follows:
I will post a question. Whoever posts the answer first will win. Obviously, both people could use search engines, but the person who knows the information more readily will probably take the question.
After 21 Questions, a winner will be declared and that person will move on.
The contestants agree to send their "entry fees" (gifts) to me. I will then box them up and send them to the ultimate winner.
As an enticement, my entry fee (even though I am not playing) is a $25 Amazon.com gift certificate and a sleeve of golf balls.
If you are interested, please let me know on this thread or in Suggestions.
A designer never dicovers all his errors. If and when you have a few minutes to spare I should be grateful if you go to the site and click back and forth a bit and tell me if anything is amiss either here or here.
Thanks for your comments in religion thread. i checked out your website...looks good and has lots of info (nice to see actual info as opposed to opinionated garbage).
as for hayseeds...intellectual snobs of peasant heritage? that would be me (spent most of my life welfare-level poor...parents pretty uneducated and holding prison records, etc.).
now i've returned to school to finish my b.a. (pulling a 4.0, i might add 'snobbishly'), en route to grad school to pursue a PhD in religious studies.
i'm looking forward to reading your piece about the environmental debate.
I probably wouldn't stand a chance, though. Summer in Cleveland is very precious, and I won't have a lot of time to devote to it. I'd very much prefer to play in the winter.
Done deal. Check New Thread and Feature Suggestions for updates.
servers?
PRIZE UPDATE
The Host: $25 Amazon gift certificate, law firm baseball hat and a sleeve of golf balls
Bubbaette: A "heat pack" -- home preserved jalapeno relish, bread and butter pickles and salsa (email secured).
zojak quafeth: a nice bottle of single malt scotch (email secured).
I'm dyin for that law firm baseball hat.
(sorry)
I'll get on it.
that's too bad...it's got so much to uncover and excavate. when reading it, i think one should treat it like a new lover, taking the time to discover what you can do to draw out the best in your relationship...seeking out the nooks for sensitive places, enjoying the play of aesthetics, and allowing yourself to let go. it's deep, and it's bottomless...to be sure.
but if ya treat it like just another book, it becomes a muddled mess. i suppose it's not for everyone...actually, it was probably ONLY for joyce. but so what? it's a great game to play.
trying reading it out loud with a thick irish brogue...it makes a little more sense that way.
I loved Dubliners, though.
Betty...maybe when I'm older.
that was smart...it IS a book that takes place at night, after all. i'm sorry that He Couldn't Entertain (HCE) you...it's given me A Lot of Pleasure (ALP).
betty's lying...she's really referring to me. i make a little more sense with an irish brogue. maybe she means you need a thick irish rogue.
Okay okay...I will give it another try. After all, I was but a child of 23 when last I attempted it.
23, eh? hmmm...the magic number, the chairman of the board of synchronicity, the earl of numerical coincidence.
good luck. i have had a hard time finding anyone willing to talk about the book other than to lament :(
is that making sense, or am i just whistling and pissing at the same time?
ivan was trying to figure out where you learned of the 23...obviously it wasn't Illuminatus!
Betty, actually it was the Illuminatus but second hand from a roommate of ours named Lunatic David.
hail eris.
since you're familiar with Illuminatus!, i would recommend Wilson's book "Coincidance" to provide some insight into Finnegans Wake. Wilson is a devotee and offers some excellent insights as most literary scholars are not also occultists, versed in physics and psychology, and as interesting to read as he is.
I mean, I don't suppose I would look any stupider than the people on Millionaire and this ain't network television...
We're going to let the Mystery Theater cool its heels a while. The hounds are licking their wounds after a thorough thrashing by The Strangler.
The best course may be to archive the thread for a month or more. Seems a better solution than to just let it sit. We can resurrect it as required.
1. A small item caught in the trap of the potty.
2. Not enough water coming down to fully flush.
check the water tank and see that it fills properly. if it flushes fine 4 0r 5 times with just water then try flushing it with some paper and see if it slows down on a subsequent flush after the paper goes through. That would indicate a small item caught in unit itself.( hair pin q-tip small ball)
The forum is languishing since the founder, khaval alazman, left it. I guess Irv is around. Try the People and Languages thread.
Last November 22nd, I wagered $300 to IndianaJones' $100 that Iraq's Saddam Hussein would still be in power come November 22nd of this year.
Now that more than six months have passed, George "I don't even have a plan on my desk" Bush is making me feel supremely confident I shall soon collect from Jones.
I also noted there were others at the time (most memorably, Concerned) who wanted to join in the wager. Here's your chance. I now accept all comers. Keep in mind that your window of opportunity has closed, however. You now have only five months and three weeks for Bush -- or God -- to take Saddam out.
Pelle--the forum is languishing, but Khaval seems to have been around lately.
So anyway, thanks!
Nice to see you too.
Yes, I believe I did recommend it to you -- at least the first volume. Have you read it?
How are you feeling?
I only take these if I have to walk a lot or will be on my feet for an extended time...I'm thinking about trying cortisone shots soon.
Contrary to your defective recollection, I refused to accept your belligerent little wager, because I knew that sufficient reason existed at the time for the Bush administration to postpone an invasion of Iraq until at least past the 2002 midterm elections not to commit myself.
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No. He's British.
i had never heard that before
Regardless of which way Lewis swings, I just hope he swings hard and often enough to beat Tyson into oblivion.
No. He's British."
He was also sort-of-kinda Canadian for awhile; and we all tend to give off a gay vibe. So maybe, that is part of it. FWIW, Lewis has publicly denied the rumours.
And I don't blame him one little bit!
No. He is British. :)
AC's never committed to 'fixing' this.
I'll set up a page for 'im so he can put all his links there.
cal and a lower case cal.
I regret to inform you that the privelege of changing thread titles at will is now revoked until further notice. Most of you this will not affect at all so I apologize for the interruption to your thread.
I am a postgraduate psychology student at The University of Western Australia, and I am conducting research on the effects of anxiety on how people process information.
I am currently looking for volunteers, especially people who have NO ANXIETY PROBLEMS.
If you may be interested in participating in this study, and would like more information about it, please go to this website:
http://www.psy.uwa.edu.au/user/labs/cogemo/AnxietyStudy.html
All it involves is about 10 minutes of your time, to complete some questionnaires and a simple computer task on-line.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me via email at lihyi@psy.uwa.edu.au
Thank you.
Lih Yi Soong.
(Human Ethics Research Committee Approval: Reference 0397)
Sorry, but everybody here is extremely anxious.
Smarty humor aside, I hope you get a good number of respondents, but with your criteria I really don't qualify as one of them.
I second the Mote welcome, though.
SMOOCH!
Do you happen to know which Canadian university Irving will be teaching at, or which city it is located in?
He didn't say and nobody asked.
Tabouli
No. Somebody asked but no answer was provided (at least not yet).
TJ, I know he has some familiarity with Canada, but I'm not sure how much. I'm sure he'd appreciate the offer, and if he hasn't changed he'd love to meet you in any case.
If you go to RI you can email him through the hyperlink of his name on his posts.
If this is an Irv rumor mill, I'll add that Irv already introduced his Canadian girlfriend online months ago. I believe he is moving to Toronto.
What is the url for RI?
Has anyone contacted MsGreer?
Obviously, I don't want to bother Ed until I have more details and etc.
Thanks
Thanks Judith!
A certain Ms. Yu can be quite the back-breaking weight despite her Asiatic demeanor of docility and submissiveness. Her assaults upon my person have left me wracked but envigorated.
plus ducks, I wanna know about a good pop-up killer.
Seriously, tho:
Part of your pop-up problem likely has to do with the fact that, if you have been using KaZaA, most likely, you have unknowingly downloaded TopText and/or Surf+, two annoying "scumware" programs that screw around with web content by adding errant hot-links and third party advertising. Go here to find out if you have either program running on your computer and follow the removal instructions, if you do.
I don't know if there is any trick to removing KaZaa itself but scumware.com and stopscum.com may help you find an answer.
thanks darling, and you know i can't stop visting porn sites, it's in the job description.
I was wondering if you could tell me how Mrs. Rivendell is doing these days?
Hoping they are in a good way these days.
Thanks,
lab
(Hi judith!)
And I have been busier than a one-leg man in a asskickin contess. Thanks fer asking.
(I came in second place in that contest this past week...)
Back to Kenai next week....buggers. The Oz and the Mrs are fine folks. They probably needed a good nap after the whirlwind 4 hours we had together. We did everthing by ear from start to finish...I forgot my camera in my truck, and forgot to give them the smoke salmon we had done special for their trip in the hurry to get them to the boat on time...
I had two sweaters on in the morning
and it warmed to 65 F. by afternoon
Finally yesterday an actual summer day.
Nothing went as I had hoped. However, it was wonderful to have met them. Wish they could have stayed for a couple of days so that we could have relaxed in each other's company and really get to know each other. "You're so YOUNG!" he says in his first words!
hahahaha...god bless that man.
Will you come back and spend some time with us, please?
here?
Has it been combined with language?
You must live near me. It was bitter sweet to leave the kids once again...but it was soooo great to get off the plane and take a nice full lungfull of cool, fresh air.
Mago,
Yes..I'll drop by from time to time to say hello and find out how you all have been. By the way...hoe HAVE you beenmy little french flower?
It was the c o l d e s t JULY I can remember.
Mini heat wave today.
btw are you not the gatekeeper who
has helped me cross the Mote several times?
Went through the bay area in the early evening and just past sundown we crossed the GG bridge. Come to think of it, it was the coolest place we visited, and that included the Red Woods.
has helped me cross the Mote several times?"
I'm not quite sure what you are referring to Max. This Mote or the one where I live?
I am fine, thanks. Just spent the last month studying for a course I need to get the state's five years license. I did that in our woods, in the gazebo and in the company of birds. Our resident Harrier hawks came early in the spring but, luckily left because it was too cold for them to nest.
I have to run, meeting my older son for fishfry, a big thing around here. Will email you.
Please come back soon. Miss your humor.
gatekeeper here in Mote . I had not been here
for sometime that and computer crashing .
needed to register . thought the person who
helped me was labrabbit.
maybe 6 months ago?
Labwabbit is a different breed of cat...a very cool one!
my resource person....
so many rabbits . so little time.
The good doctor would be most interested in hearing tales of such experiences.
Is there a way to insert a single character into a selected group of cells that already have information in them?
Say I've got a list of titles and I want to add an 'X' into each cell before the titles. (This is so that I can then edit and replace the 'x' with different stuff---mostly link roots etc.)
It seems like something fairly simple and straightforward, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to do it. I've wanted to for YEARS but only just now thought to ask anyone about it.
Help!
Here is one, albeit roundabout, way to do it.
Assume your titles are in cells a1-a50.
Select an unused column to the right, say p.
Fill p1-p50 with X:s.
Go to q1. Select Insert -> Function and then Text.
There is a function there that adds text strings together, maybe it's called Concatenate (I have the Swedish version).
Specify that a1 should be added to p1.
Replicate the formula to q2-q50.
Copy q1-q50 to a1-a50, and there you are.
It doesn't seem like it's an unreasonable or even uncommon requirement but apparently I was mistaken. I could even do it as a simple merge cells function, but I can't figure out how to do that. Why does this happen? How can something so simple be so impossible? Why hasn't anyone wanted to do this before? Am I just nuts?
grrr!
I'm off to merge!
no.
well, not just nuts, heh
a href="http://www.site.com/folder/filename.html"
Nor did I want to cut and paste it into 295 cells. Much less then begin the whole process again with the author and reviewer links.
blegh!
This Concatenation thing is great! It works just like the Sum function only it adds text together rather than numbers.
I just knew there had to be a way to do it, but I never knew what it was and when I've described it people are always like, "Yeah, it's a bitch having to cut and past the same thing so many times." Which leads me to believe that most of them didn't know it could be done either.
I'm so thrilled. This has saved me hours of work.
btw, edit/replace does work really well but that's why I needed to add the character---so that each cell would start or end with the same thing so I could replace it.
Now I don't have to add that character and replace it I can just add the string that I would've been replacing with from the beginning. Although, it will save columns to add the character and then do an edit/replace. I think that's what I'll do.
whee!!!
Did you say you have played the game Europa Universalis? I just purchased a copy of the second version (II) and am having some difficulty getting into the spirit of it. Have you any suggestions for getting up to speed?
Signed
A happy ex-law student who now has time on her hands for goofing off
That would close the deal, I hope.
It seems congratulations are in order?
Is it true?
Well, thank goodness for that.
We really need 'em.
I was just skimming - and I read that as a genetic engineering question!
Gulp.
The bar, btw, was a horrible experience, and I, like everyone else I talked to, think I failed it.
It's been a while since we've been around at the same time....
November. Isn't that disgusting? I must sit on my nerves for another two months...
So what will you do if you have failed?
(cheerful conversation!?)
Cry
Regroup
Retake the exam in February
Arky,
Maybe it will be lucky. I simply have no idea how I did, and no one else did either. A very unnerving experience.
At least take congratulations for having taken the exam and come out still breathing!
Congrats on getting to the point that you think you might have passed the Bar. That is an accomplishment.
Well, I can't seem to get into the game. I've tried the tutorials but have not been too motivated by any of the features yet. Perhaps you can just say what you like about the game, and what features make it interesting.
But the real kicker is the complex socio-diplomatic context in which you have to work; you have to plan your diplomacy out many years in the future.
Then you have religion. And religion in EU ties the complexity of resources management and diplomacy together very nicely. One of the issues with resource management is how to maximize return while maintaining an acceptable risk of rebellion. One of the issues of diplomacy is royal marriages and nudging relations between your country and others in one direction or the other. Once the Reformation happens all sorts of other things and opportunities happen. Some of your provinces rebel more easily. Some of your neighbors suddenly don't like you. But, you can change your state religion to get friendlier with those you wish to, AND to get less friendly with those you wish to go to war with.
At any rate, the reason I like the game is that it feels like I want the game to feel.
I'm becoming accustomed to the game now, but am still doing abysmally at it. How does one ever win against the computer?
I keep wanting to play Sweden or Poland-Lithuania, but playing purely continental powers is very difficult.
The problem is that I'm not interested in waging war. I'm playing England but am not doing well right now (1560's), even though I have colonies and am trying to explore when I can.
France, as always, is a pain in the ass.
Thought you'd like to know: I'm getting the hang of it and am becoming addicted to the game.....
HA!
It is an obsession creating game, like all the best games.
Serious entreaties only please.
The good doctor has grown enuuied the limited vocabulary and would appreciate another example of this wonderful shorthand as tis always the continual practice of my person to be as brief as it is humanly possible to be.
Jokes from Laugh In or even Hee-Haw might help, too.
Some friends of myne throw an elaborate Halloween party. This year's party theme is "After the Big One." It's a post-apocalyptic party.
One decoration at this party is a set of animatronic skulls wired for sound. They are good for telling jokes Laugh-In style. Right now I'm writing a script of post-apocalyptic jokes for the skulls to tell all evening. I'm also writing some nuclear war parody songs for them to sing.
I'm doing pretty well with the theme material ("So this mutant walks into a bar . . .") My problem is coming up with Laugh-In style personalities for the four of them. I keep ending up with just two personalities, Abbot and Costello style. But I need to have four skulls speaking.
It's like I can write for Dan and Dick, but I don't have Goldie, Artie, Jo Ann, Henry, or any of the others. I want to create two more personalities like those, but I can't remember what they were like.
I can picture them all popping their heads out of that funky wall and telling jokes. I'm trying to remember the type of joke that Goldie might tell (as opposed to Jo Ann or Artie) but I'm drawing a blank. Can anyone help me to remember?
A dirty old man would be a good addition. Thanks Judith!
I'd like at least one of the four to be female, and I don't want to do a dizzy blonde. Maybe I could do a female "straight man," like backwards George and Gracie. Hmmm.
Suggestions, anyone?
"Did you hear the one about the cross-eyed teacher who couldn't keep her pupils straight?"
A: You park, man!
(Adaptable? Funny, anyhow. And the only one- (or two-) liner I can reliably remember.
Because it's too cold outtide.
An offer that you cannot understand.
I also found a few rather strange jokes on a website for cancer patients that I can adapt for the end of the world. And of course I'm writing a few original jokes.
If anyone can think of some more good one liners, or point me to a website, I'd appreciate it.
"Two weeks where the shore used to be."
She asked me to replace her, but I don't have time at the moment or for the next couple of weeks and on weeknights I'm in bed by that time.
I just talked with Judith. Her modem will be installed this Thursday, that is if her telephone company keeps its promise.
Does it work OK for others?
Just for my own information, how could copy/pasting content do something when posted? I noticed html tags that showed in the email didn't in the paste, but since it didn't do anything when I opened it it didn't occur to me it would do anything posting it. I trashed the .exe file and my computer seems to be working ok.
Sorry about the inconvenience.
As if. You could answer...damn squirrels.
Congrats!
naw, I shouldn't have asked - just interested in things getting rolling again, it's fun to see the matches. You two have a good one!
Did you see my apology in N&CE, and are you going to accept it? I am sorry.
And I'm going to be away completely for the next eight days unless we both get on Arky's computer over the weekend and she and I bombard y'all with updates! ;-)
Thank you, dear. I instantly felt awful. It's been bugging me all week that I was so cranky with you.
I couldn't remember his name for the life of me!
Just thought I'd let you know....
I PASSED!!!
Thank you Jesus!
Thanks, too, to all those Moties who've given me TLC through the last three years. You know who you are.....
MsIt
What an achievement -- Congratulations. We haven't talked much, if at all, but as a long-time lurker I have enjoyed your particpation here. I'm sure you earned the good results. Continued good fortune!
There is absolutely no reason to respond to the Jared Diamond jab, MsIT.
Well, thanks everyone!
I must say, this feels absolutely stellar. I don't think I've ever worked so hard for any degree in my life. So, I do feel quite proud!
Now, on to the absolutely gruesome job market....
Good luck on the job hunting phase.
You are continuing with your rants, your pointless links and your multipost cites.
Good posters are leaving this forum because of you.
I have warned you before. Your reply has essentially been "you (Pelle) do your thing and I (jexster) will do my thing".
Well, I have done my thing. You are suspended until the end of the months.
You can continue doing your thing. But not here.
Here's something strange that happened to me however, and I'm curious if it's happened to anyone else. I received an email from someone called Jesse, who was asking me a legal question. He/She said they had gotten my email from a listing here at the Mote.
Now, I don't believe I've made my private email address ever public at this site, so who was this person and how did they get it?
I deleted the email without ever responding. Apologies to the person if this was legitimate, but even so, I don't know how or where they got the address.
Anyway, has anyone else gotten emails asking for advice from strangers claiming they know you through this site? (and got the email from here?)
Sorry about that, and I think I know how the person got your email address -- all thread hosts have an email address linked so posters can contact them if they need to. Two years ago you hosted a thread called "The Legal Corner" and your email address was linked there. Yours was one of three threads that didn't have a Yahoo/Hotmail kind of email account linked. I've changed all three.
We tell people to get a public account at Yahoo or Hotmail or someplace so that their home email isn't the one used. The email address is linked in by default; it looks like Alistair will need to change that.
thoughtful -
Maybe Pelle feels that jex is a bit of, well,.... an embarrassment. To at least non-Americans LWingers who haven't internalized the worldview of the WH Rapist, Leftists are supposed to affect some minimal level of sophistication, and jex comes along and ruins all that by wallowing in vast quantities of earthy allusions and playful, but clearly off the mark ad-hominems.
How is somebody like jex going to play with the Euro crowd, do you think? Hmmmmmmm?
I don't know of any European who expects any sort of level of sophistication from an American, whatever the political leaning. They tend to look on us all as rubes and yahoos.
Got a clue for you. Find who originally posted the following:
Ding, dong, the spammer is suspended...
I seem to recall that he has published his private address here which would make it OK to use it. If anybody has the same recollection and the address please mail me.
Lobbying works. Reminds me of another Swede, Hans Blix.
You toad. Why don't you try reading more than Andrew Sullivan...like maybe the thread you're commenting on.
No, it didn't.
Dan Sickles started the game some time ago, but it's been hard to get it all together for the people who agreed to participate. He matched them up and they play sets of up to 21 questions and whoever gets the most wins and will rematch with someone else. Everyone who wanted to participate would contribute something to the prize package the winner would receive.
If you'd like to participate and if DanS can be contacted in time, I'm sure Judith wouldn't mind if you filled in for her Monday night, which is when her match with DocBrown was scheduled.
Kidding.
Hope your job search goes well and you get interesting work in a well-appointed office with considerate colleagues.
Anyway the above post made me click on the sports thread email for me, it says mote moderator, thank you wabbit. I will see if the internationally unrecogonized ulgine barrows name is taken on the free email sites and sign myself up. And then I should email...who? Or leave it as is?
judith, how did you get my email after I asked about 21?
PelleNilsson, I don't think your post 3407 is correct. Glad you reconsidered, at any rate.
I am distraught at the 'embarrassing to the Mote' comments. Not that it will stop me. I feel a need to make an embarrassment of myself. I asked to be a sub in 21 before bobbie did. pick me, pick me.
no offense intended, bobbie, I don't think I've seen you post before. You can't post in that place unless you're a player, did you notice that?
larky, I am thinking autumn 2004, februarys are quite dull.
Yes, you can actually watch as it happens if you're around a computer, and it's neat. It goes really fast. And you can go back and read the past matches in the thread. Looking at the time stamps on the posts gives an idea of how quickly the game goes.
Ulgine,
I haven't kept up with the game or participants, but that would be great! Do you want me to email Daniel and can you play in the same time slot Monday night?
I'll be checking in again this evening, but won't be in again after that until Monday evening, so if I don't see a response from you in here I'll just email Daniel tonight that you're interested and y'all can work out a time.
Should I take the Louis Vuitton Cup link down, too? Why yes, I think I might try.
You can certainly change the email link to your own email if you like. If we didn't have working free-mail accounts for hosts we put in the generic MoteModerator email so that people don't get caught by the spam bots that troll the internet looking for addresses.
Actually, I don't think the links in the host names were what got caught but things like "email so and so at blah blah". The @ sign might've been causing the "strikes".
At any rate, changing that email link is possible through the regular thread maintenance page. If you bring up the page you'll see exactly where to type in the new address.
Let me know if you have any problems and I'll be happy to help.
evidently, creating news links will push the old ones off the page.
I tried "chat" on Messenger with friends and couldn't really get into the flow of it.
Thanks Ms No, I'll try it.
Although I consider a number of people here true friends, I've hardly met anyone here, as in really met, even to the point of exchanging emails, but a lot of fascinating people have come through over the time I've been here, and I've read and participated in some great discussions. I don't know the status of the archives link, but you can go back and read some of them.
There's a lot of gab and arguing and all the other stuff that goes with forums here, but also lots of good content that I still refer back to and information that I've used over the years, in addition to good article and site links, etc.
Although some of us crude butt-suckers would deny it.
I always have to make the distinction between my job of teaching and the students' job of learning!
Seriously, I teach various history and government classes, also.
A good teacher is a blessing.
I'm figuring everyone is Googling for answers they don't know or aren't sure of and I don't know if y'all know about this: Google/ie. It's still Google, but a bit quicker because it only loads headers; no descriptions. It may help any players who don't have a cable or dsl connection (although I use it because I generally don't want to be bothered with the descriptions).
instant enquiry, perhaps? immediate endnote?
There is also Google.ie offered in: Irish
Aren't they the perfect cosmopolitans at google there, with their changing of the banners to celebrate various artist's days? A nice surprise every 'holiday', there. Nice spirit.
Does anyone recall, who wrote a book about being an airline attendant, and her mom wanted to be a beautician yet ended up at IBM as a mathematician and went on to build bombs?
www.npr.org
It came on around 5pm PST I think. Is that still All Things Considered or...no, that's in the morning. Crap. I can't remember. It should be up tomorrow though. They're good about keeping their site up to date.
Ulgine,
I'll see if I can find it.
But I have trouble with the Mote loading slowly for me at night. Takes forever.
Scroll down to Rocket Science. I don't see a transcript, but the audio file is there.
I'm preparing to buy a laptop and I'm considering an IBM T30 series.
I intend to use it to a large extent for graphics (I have access to a docking station and a good monitor) and I'm wondering whether to get a 1.8 GHz model or a 2 GHz model. The 2-gig model records and rewrites CDs faster than the 1.8, is slightly lighter, and comes equipped with Bluetooth.
I'm not sure how important fast record and rewrite is (or how important it should be). My big question is, how much should that .2 gig be worth to me, given my proposed graphics use? I mean, is it worth the $600 differential, in speed and stability? Also, since I don't have a cable tansmitter and have no intention of getting one, would I need a specialized cordless phone of some sort, presumably also equipped w/Bluetooth or something compatible, in order to make use of the wireless technology at home? It would be nice not to be tied to a phone jack.
Kiss's long-toungued Gene Simmons (formerly known as Chaim Weitz, who I was surprised to learn was an Israeli until he was about 8, and thereafter educated in a US yeshiva) and NPR's smug queen of sanctimony, Terry Gross (a Jew from the other side of the sociopolitical spectrum) battle to the death.
NPR is forbidden by Simmons from posting the transcript on its site, or providing audio of it; this is someone's MP3 bootleg, and unfortunately is a very halting experience somewhat less hilarious than the original because the awkward pauses are interrupted. But still, very funny, no matter whom you hate more.
I haven't yet been able to justify spending twice the monthly bill for internet access on cable or DSL, so my pathetically slow old phone connection may have something to do with it; maybe everyone else on earth is better equipped to listen to Chaim's paens to the frothing ability of his oral appendage...
If the chips are exactly the same except for the clock speed (i.e., one is *not* a Celeron and the other a full-fledged Pentium 4), the difference in price shouldn't be that high ($600), all other things being equal.
I haven't yet been able to justify spending twice the monthly bill for internet access on cable or DSL...
That would be a much better investment of your $600.
I switched to cable modem about five months ago from regular phone line and notice no difference between my at home connection and my backbone connection at work. Between the old speed and the new there is no comparison. If you spend even two hours a month at home on the Internet and value your time at $25/hour or more, you'll justify the added expense.
Do without the extra .2 gigahertz and you can pay the extra charge for cable for two years.
I recall a similar crash with Gross and Burt Reynolds. Maybe not this bad, but evidently she has trouble with unreconstructed males.
BTW, Andonly, you can download the whole thing and play it from your hard drive to eliminate the halts caused by a slow connection.
Do without the extra .2 gigahertz and you can pay the extra charge for cable for two years.
Absolutely.
I can't even imagine that one would notice the 10% difference.
In fact, at work I recently traded in my IBM NetVista at 900mHz for a Dell at almost double that. I haven't noticed that much of a difference in speed at all - whether on the Internet or working in a program.
The $600 differential on closer inspection proved to be less, once I factored out wireless, faster record and rewrite on the CD-ROM, UltraNav, and an extra 20 GB on the hard drive.
So I went with the 2 GHz processor with its 60 GHz HD, the faster CD/DVD speeds, and the UltraNav, which looked especially useful, and no wireless. (Bluetooth, it seems may not turn out to be the industry standard.) For graphics I was told that what I really need is SDRAM memory, and since this laptop is 256 MB expandable to 1024.
I figure what I'm getting (Pentium IV, 2 GHz processor) is way faster than what I'm using now (a Compaq Pentium II, 350 MHz). So I'll see how things go and if I need more SDRAM memory I'll buy it as needed.
"In fact, at work I recently traded in my IBM NetVista at 900mHz for a Dell at almost double that. I haven't noticed that much of a difference in speed at all - whether on the Internet or working in a program."
I think I'll notice a difference, but then you were better equipped to start with.
I wondered about that, but couldn't figure out how to do it. What's the scoop?
Once you save it, you should be able to open it with any program that play MP3s.
350mHz?
Damn right you'll notice a difference! In fact, I'd bet you couldn't even get a cable modem on that jalopy.
(says the guy typing on 266mHz jalopy).
Joez: "Damn right you'll notice a difference!"
That's what I thought!
Y'all know to what I owe the justification for buying this new machine?
The kids need the existing desktop to play their games on.
Gotta love the offspring.
(D is usually the CD-ROM.)
Save it to your desktop or something else writeable.
I'm just right-clicking. I get the error message before I'm given an opportunity to save to any drive in particular.
D is indeed our CD-ROM, a far as I know.
Took bloody forever.
But ir worked; thanks for the advice! 
to edit a post...change typos, grammer , etc.
Yours,
TabouliJones
scratchraster@yahoo.com
If you have an email addy you don't mind posting, please do so and I'll send you the link to the new, hopefully temporary, site.
pinchermartin@yahoo.com
Where can we get the information on the alternative site?
e-mail me at budgethag@aol.com and I'll send you the link.
Will do so later this evening (from home)....oops! posting from work
Oh, the shame!
What big policy agenda is on your plate these days?
Everything is peachy keen, except that I'm having a hard time finding the employment of my choice. The labor market is simply horrible here in Austin, and I'm not willing to relocate anywhere else in TX. So, job hunt is to other states or here.
I'm getting very picky in my middle age.
Missy, will look for it later this evening or first thing in the a.m. Oh, and the DC area is very, very nice. Strong labor market, too.
How is your young lady, ready to graduate yet? Do you get to golf much?
That's cause you ain't seen me in action.
"Håg" is an ancient and obsolete Scandihoovian word meaning "fabulous beyond belief". Nowadays one hears the term used in its original meaning only rarely and only in the town of Nord, so named by its inhabitants to remind them on which end of Greenland they live.
TPW development site
Here is our development server. You will need to create a new id on it, and there are no threads yet. The first time you login, you may get a weird database message. You need to subscribe to at least one thread, and that should make it go away.
And before anybody gets in a twist, yes CalGal did originally ask that people email her for the link rather than posting it, but she knows I'm posting it here and is fine with that.
Thanks in advance.
Right-click on the image, and select "Properties". That will give you a window which will display the URL. You can select the URL with your mouse and copy it with the keys Control-C.
(assuming you're a Microsoft serf.)
Follow the yellow brick road.
The perfect world? You can't get there from here.
The address is still propogating across the internet, in some parts of the world the address still might not be working.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thanks very much.
Second thoughts :
The perfect world? You can't get there from here.
Aw hun, nobody expected you to. I know I never made it.
My parish has a website and a "websexton" who hasn't been keeping it up to date. The Calendar for example is two months old.
The format never changes. Its just a matter of plugging in new stuff.
I don't know squat about HTML (obvious isn't it?)
How difficult would it be for me, were I to volunteer, to assist in keeping the thing up to date?
Can any of this stuff be done remotely somehow?
The Edmund Dantes Farewell Tour
Playing to sold-out audiences through the first two weeks of the New Year, The Edmund Dantes Farewell Tour will be da hottest ticket since Cher did Des Moines.
Maybe farewell to forums in general (in favor of some other online venue perhaps).
Drop me a e-mail at rdbrewer2@cox.net, and let me know what you have in mind.
A blog, maybe? If so, I hope that you'll let us know where we can read it.
I haven't decided yet whether to give up posting entirely, but that's a good possibility.
Five years seems more than enough time to devote to this.
Time to try something new.
The Sure Cure for the Chronic Post Syndrome....
I am fixing on retiring myself...as soon as Bush does or is
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