The Inferno pt.3

1501. Bill Russell - 9/10/2004 8:05:41 PM

"you're still having fun!"

Your warped idea of fun, perhaps. Your fun is bashing people. Naughty, Naughty..

1502. judithathome - 9/10/2004 8:09:17 PM

Oh yes...I am just a rude, hateful bitch, all right.

1503. anomie - 9/10/2004 8:30:26 PM

I'm perplexed as hell how someone can accuse Judith of being rude. I read back and all I see is that she's acting like a good host, as she often does.

She certainly doesn't need me to come to her defense, but I'm just amazed how people here can sometimes take things the wrong way.

Judith only picks on Kuligin as far as I know. But he loves it.

1504. PelleNilsson - 9/10/2004 8:53:35 PM

Agreed, anomie.

1505. SnowOwl - 9/10/2004 9:50:58 PM

Bill engages in troll-like behaviour in every forum he participates in. There's no need to take anything he says seriously.

1506. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 12:28:35 AM

I am just a rude, hateful bitch = Yup!

Try religion...

1507. angel-five - 9/11/2004 5:15:23 AM

I am just a rude, hateful bitch = Yup!

You have a rather severe lack of perspective that is unbecoming in a man of your advanced years, Russell.

Rather than ridiculously badmouthing the forum in which you are posting (and posting and posting) someone in your position might profit from sitting back a bit and actually figuring out what people are saying to you and why they're saying it. I feel pretty safe in saying that you show no evidence of grasping their motivations thus far, and plenty of evidence to suggest that you've misunderstood them.

Nothing for it but a few deep breaths, a quick shake of the head, and the decision not to try to stick your head up anyone's ass for a few days.

1508. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 9:51:42 AM

No need to use nasty words.

1509. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 10:53:46 AM

You have a rather severe lack of perspective that is unbecoming in a woman of your advanced years, angel.

1510. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 10:55:12 AM

Snow engages in troll-like behaviour on every forum in which s/he participates.

1511. SnowOwl - 9/11/2004 11:29:19 AM

Not quite, Bill. I engage in discussions. I don't post stupid one-liners which have no connection to any ongoing discussions.

You've been banned from numerous forums for your pathetic behaviour.

It's sad that someone as old as you appears to be incapable of anything other than parroting the words of others.

You have a rather severe lack of perspective that is unbecoming in a woman of your advanced years, angel.

Another example of your ignorance. Angel is a male angel.

1512. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 3:44:10 PM

I don't post stupid one-liners which have no connection to any ongoing discussions.

1513. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 3:45:37 PM

"Angel is a male angel."

How would anyone know? Anyway, he/she/it is no angel.

1514. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 6:11:55 PM

New posters should be welcomed, not villified. Published rules need to be complete, so no time is wasted villify new posters for rules of which they have no knowledge.

Besides, it's just plain rude.

1515. PelleNilsson - 9/11/2004 7:01:34 PM

No, in theory, you couldn't know. But why did you presume in order to frame the insult in Message # 1509? On the other hand you should have known. A5 is familiar to you and nobody with any sense of posting style could fail to identify him.

1516. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 7:07:11 PM

Huh?

1517. judithathome - 9/11/2004 7:42:15 PM

Bill, I don't know why I'm bothering to do this but Angel 5 is Resonance.

1518. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 7:46:17 PM

Resonance is no angel.

1519. judithathome - 9/11/2004 8:16:58 PM

To some, he most certainly is.

1520. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 9:38:46 PM

To some = Who?

1521. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 10:22:08 PM

Whom

1522. judithathome - 9/11/2004 11:46:20 PM

To me, for one.

1523. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 11:56:13 PM

That ONE!

1524. Bill Russell - 9/11/2004 11:56:40 PM

That's ONE!

1525. Bill Russell - 9/12/2004 12:01:31 AM

But, who's counting??

hahahahaha

1526. judithathome - 9/12/2004 12:06:45 AM

Evidently you are. You are the one who asked.

1527. Bill Russell - 9/12/2004 12:12:12 AM

Yep, and I'm STILL AT ONE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Go figure!

1528. prolph - 9/12/2004 12:19:36 AM

A5 is a grand person. Patsy

1529. Bill Russell - 9/12/2004 12:23:50 AM

Grand

1530. winstonsmith - 9/12/2004 1:48:39 AM

Can I say that George W. Bush sucks ass? is that allowed?

1531. Bill Russell - 9/12/2004 1:57:32 AM

Not unless you have personal experience along that line.

1532. winstonsmith - 9/12/2004 2:02:46 AM

Well, what I heard, is that Bush sucked ass, but he didn't inhale.

1533. Bill Russell - 9/12/2004 2:24:36 AM

Is that how you do it?

1534. pseudoerasmus - 9/30/2004 1:17:25 AM

Connor is a foetid cunt.

1535. alistairconnor - 9/30/2004 1:35:16 AM

(I just thought this remark would be more intelligible in its proper context)

1536. concerned - 9/30/2004 2:26:58 AM

Just saw this:

Can I say that George W. Bush sucks ass? is that allowed?

Jexster has a whole thread here devoted to saying that......

1537. RickNelson - 9/30/2004 9:05:47 AM

pseud!

jayzus

But, I laughed anyway, because it was you that posted it.

1538. Ulgine Barrows - 9/30/2004 8:16:44 PM

I laughed too, someone who spells 'fetid' that way, must be as old and smelly as the object named.

1539. RickNelson - 10/1/2004 7:42:31 AM

funny thin Ulgine is he's not. He's even a youn'un to me. As long as no-one else has been using his name.

I believe pseud used an auld-english spelling, probably common internationally, within certain acedemic circles. Just a guess.

1540. concerned - 10/1/2004 8:39:09 AM

To be a purist, PE would have used the ligature œ as follows: fœtid.

1541. Magoseph - 10/1/2004 8:43:23 AM

Concerned, how did you do this: "œ"?

1542. concerned - 10/1/2004 8:50:07 AM

Magoseph -

I found a reference to french html authoring which shows the ampersand, then the characters "#339" as producing œ.

1543. jexster - 10/1/2004 9:24:29 AM

1544. jexster - 10/1/2004 9:34:51 AM

John Kerry enlisted in the Navy in 1966. After completing Naval Officer Candidates School, he began his first tour of duty on the USS Gridley, a guided-missile frigate in the waters adjacent to Vietnam. In 1968, John Kerry began his second tour of duty, and volunteered to serve on a Swift Boat, one of the most dangerous assignments of the war. Swift Boats patrolled the narrow inlets and canals around the Mekong Delta "to draw fire and smoke out the enemy," according to the The Boston Globe.

To the men who served with him, John Kerry was "one of the most daring skippers in the US Navy, relentlessly and courageously engaging the enemy," according to The Boston Globe. William Zaladonis, who served under Kerry on a Swift Boat, said that he was more interested than some other commanding officers in his crewmates' lives, hopes, and dreams. John Kerry put his crewmates at ease, telling them to "call me John - you don't have to call me sir." When "we were out on patrol," Zaladonis recalls, "we were a family."

1545. Magoseph - 10/1/2004 11:39:01 AM

œ Thank you, concerned.

1546. jexster - 10/1/2004 12:42:09 PM

Isn't he ADORABLE Mago???

1547. Bill Russell - 10/1/2004 12:46:55 PM

Who Won and Who Lost the Great Debate?

The American people lost. It was a debate between two of the Wealthy American Elite Establishment, in which the people always lose.

Read my lips:

No major changes in the wealthy elite establishment, no matter who wins.

1548. Magoseph - 10/1/2004 1:31:53 PM

He's a doll, Jex.

1549. Bill Russell - 10/3/2004 12:41:03 PM

Read my lips:

No major changes in the wealthy elite establishment, no matter who wins.

1550. Macnas - 10/4/2004 2:20:25 AM

Well Jesus Bill, what with the wealthy elite ruling over you and Hawaii about to be hit by a North Korean nuke, maybe it's time you moved to another country.

That's me with the thinking again.

1551. Bill Russell - 10/4/2004 2:25:10 AM

"maybe it's time you moved to another country."

My life is almost over, Macnas. What happens to me doesn't much matter.


"Well Jesus Bill,"

Is 'Jesus' at fault here? Otherwise why mention Jesus? In any case, none of the three CHRISTian gods have any power over me.

1552. Macnas - 10/4/2004 2:35:00 AM

I mention Jesus as I happen to swear a lot, and blasphemy is just part of that. But you knew that didn't you Bill?

And isn't it funny, that Christian gods have no power over you, but KJI of North Korea and the wealthy elite do? Isn't that just the funniest thing ever?

But still, Bill, I am impressed that you are facing your impending demise via nuclear firestorm so heroically. I for one will eat a slice of well done toast in your honour when I hear the news.

1553. alistairconnor - 10/4/2004 2:46:15 AM

In the immortal words of the great prophet, Tom Lehrer :

We'll all go together when we go
Every Hottentot and every Eskimo

Well OK, I'm aware that there are no Hottentots in Hawai'i. But still.

1554. Macnas - 10/4/2004 2:48:25 AM

But still, there's Bill.

1555. PelleNilsson - 10/4/2004 2:54:14 AM

Ha!

1556. concerned - 10/4/2004 9:38:58 AM

nor Esquimaux in Ecuador.

1557. Bill Russell - 10/4/2004 9:49:47 AM

ha

1558. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:02:36 PM

Herr Goebbels couldn't have done a better job of fooling most of the people all the time.

1559. angel-five - 10/11/2004 4:03:18 PM

I should add that if you continue to go for spamming gold further steps will be taken. If that's what you want, why not just claim the moral victory now and quit?

Why make someone else remove you? Is that a win for you?

1560. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:04:41 PM

spamming gold = ???????????????????????????????????

1561. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:05:44 PM

Angel can't stand the heat, so she sends the heaters out of the kitchen.

hahahahaha

1562. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:06:45 PM

" Your last two posts will be deleted. "

Go Figure!

1563. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:08:43 PM

I figured !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1564. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:09:22 PM

;^)

8^)

hahahahahahahahahaha

1565. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:11:06 PM

" Why make someone else remove you? "

HOW am *I* making ANY one do ANY thing ?????????????

Have you taken a class in logic lately?

1566. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 4:11:35 PM

spamming gold = ???????????????????????????????????

1567. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 11:53:05 PM

" I for one will eat a slice of well done toast in your honour when I hear the news. "

Macnas

Mahalo, Mac.

honour = British?

1568. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 11:54:22 PM

" We'll all go together when we go

Every Hottentot and every Eskimo "

hahahahaha

1569. Bill Russell - 10/11/2004 11:48:31 PM

" Your last two posts will be deleted. "

angel-five

hahahahahaha

1570. iiibbb - 12/3/2004 3:03:28 PM

Ok... I love backhanded compliments, and dry wit...

I heard this one recently... Apparently there's a lot of controversy on giving Austrailian jobs to NZ citizens.

A Autralian politition (evidently one with no qualms about the phenomenon) was apparently asked to comment on what it meant to the Australian economy... he replied "It simultaniously raises the IQ of both countries".

Laugh-riot.

1571. Ulgine Barrows - 12/5/2004 2:59:12 AM

Er...I don't get it.

O judithathome, I just read your 1481 and burst out laughing at your definition of yip. I must have missed it the first time.

"But it could just as easily refer to Your Insane Postings. "


fœtid. excellent, 1540. concerned, just excellent.

Magoseph, you can also find œ and Russian things, too, on Windows XP by typing Start > Run > charmap.

1572. iiibbb - 12/5/2004 8:52:28 AM

Think harder...

1573. alistairconnor - 12/6/2004 10:09:59 AM

Er...I don't get it.

Are you Australian, by any chance?

Or.... gulp... blonde?

1574. alistairconnor - 12/6/2004 10:18:45 AM

... actually...
I'm a bit mystified : if you've got that right, ii, the Aussie politician is insulting his own constituents. Are you sure it wasn't a NZ politician?


The full version of the age-old joke, as told in NZ, goes like this :

When a Pom [english person] moves from New Zealand to Australia, he raises the average IQ of both countries.

On the face of it, the politician was saying that even a NZer dumb enough to emigrate is still smarter than the average Australian.

1575. Ulgine Barrows - 12/9/2004 4:57:52 AM

baby, I'm so glad you're backing me up.

I did wonder about iiibb's 1570
' A Autralian politition'

1576. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/17/2004 2:48:46 PM

I'm waiting assface!

1577. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/17/2004 3:07:13 PM

Were you responsible for this, Assface?

David Ehrenstein - Mar 30, 2003 11:47 am (#5 of 334)
"I want to stand on the corner of 14th street and your imagination" -- Taylor Mead

I have been banned from The Mote for a week.

I am not planning to return.

1578. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/17/2004 2:46:46 PM

1579. concerned - 12/23/2004 12:09:58 PM

Wow, what'd the normally harmless Spuddo do for that time out?

1580. judithathome - 1/20/2005 12:29:32 PM

Jen, I'm answering you here because evidently it upsets Pelle if we talk about anything in the Cafe besides soft and cuddly things.

Half of this nation did not vote for George Bush and disagree with his policies to the extent they would like to see him removed from office. The fact you can't accept that and think we should "just get over it" is amazing to me.

And I will add while I am here, I think your hard-on for Angel 5 is really ridiculous. You are OBSESSED with him to the point of absurdity.

1581. Jenerator - 1/20/2005 12:32:54 PM

Judith,

More people voted for Bush than any other president in our history. Deal with it. It was a heated campaign, there are divisive issues at play, we're facing unique economic and international concerns. Times are tense. I understand.

I just get sick of the sour grapes.

I will back off of Resonance.

1582. judithathome - 1/20/2005 12:33:25 PM

Possibly he asked to be there for the swearing in but I think it's nuts to have a man who was at death's door just weeks ago out in such horribly cold weather. Sure they have heaters on stage but still...

1583. judithathome - 1/20/2005 12:36:24 PM

Jen, only 3% more voted for Bush than voted for Kerry...that is hardly a mandate from the nation.

If you are tired of the sour grapes, that's fine...I have a perfect solution for you. Ignore it. Stop reading what others are saying. Don't comment on it.

That should be very easy to do. Just ignore what you don't wish to see.

1584. Jenerator - 1/20/2005 12:43:40 PM

Then practice what you preach. You don't like what I, or someone else says, resist the urge to comment on it.

1585. Linnea - 1/20/2005 12:44:20 PM

As for me, I was just making conversation based on what I'm experiencing at my workplace . . .

I notice that Jen made more comments about the subject than any other single person. Give it a rest, Jen.

1586. judithathome - 1/20/2005 12:49:59 PM

Jen, I was commenting to the room at large...you are the one who came in harping about me making comments that you disagreed with. The things I was saying pained you so much you couldn't contain your natural inclination to tell me to go to hell if I didn't like Bush...but being a Christian, you know I'm bound for there anyhow so you cage your remarks more sweetly.

1587. judithathome - 1/20/2005 12:54:45 PM

Okay, let me get this straight...anyone who wnats to make a comment should resist the urge. If you say something I disagree with, I should keep quiet. And vice versa.

Sort of defeats the purpose of a forum, doesn't it?

I go on-line to learn things about the world I might not be exposed to otherwise. It's been a wonderful experience for me; I don't always agree with that others say but I read it nonetheless and try to learn from it.

I take it back what I said about you avoiding my posts...I think you should read every single one of them and I yours. And comment to each other about them. How else can we learn?

1588. judithathome - 1/20/2005 1:12:25 PM

And by the way, I think Laura looked lovely but that it was reckless for her to go without a coat.

1589. Jenerator - 1/20/2005 1:26:40 PM

Sorry if I seem hyper-reactive.

1590. thoughtful - 1/20/2005 2:21:08 PM

J@h, i didn't see the thing but saw some pictures of the events so far and in it she had on white coat that matched her suit underneath. Did she take the coat off at the swearing in? It's a lovely coat and would seem foolish to do so.

That's one nice thing I've got to say about laura bush is that she always dressed and acted appropriately. I doubt we'd've been able to say the same about TH Kerry.




Of course, I'm stunned that her inaugural gown will be made by Oscar de la Renta...isn't he French?!?

1591. Max Macks - 1/20/2005 2:22:24 PM

I thank the gods every day that
I live in a city in which 90% of the vote
in the Bush Kerry election was against Bush.

the highest percentage of any city over 100,000

that election had so many people
excited on both the sides that there were
more people voting than either ever or in a long
time so of course Bush got a lot of votes.

1592. thoughtful - 1/20/2005 2:24:18 PM

Jen, making comments about what the first lady's wearing is an american tradition...as is commenting about what the pres is wearing.

Perhaps you're too young to recall the destruction of the hat industry that resulted from JFK's going hatless at his inauguration.

Perhaps you've blocked out all the negative comments about hillary clinton's hat at her inauguration, the frumpy hair do and the multiple hair changes she went through during the first term. I remember the brouhaha when she decided to add back the rodham to her name. Oh that was just the most terrible thing a first lady could've done...do you think mary todd lincoln would've done such a thing!!! Then right after marilyn quayle did the same thing and no one said boo.

The fact remains that whoever is in office is fair game.

1593. judithathome - 1/20/2005 2:25:53 PM

Did she take the coat off at the swearing in? It's a lovely coat and would seem foolish to do so.

Yes, she walked out of the building coatless and sat there through the whole thing without the coat...which I agree is lovely. I was stunned to see just the suit but maybe my eyes betrayed me and she had the coat on. But the suit reminded me of a Chanel suit so how would I have got that from seeing the coat?

I think Oscar has been dressing women in this country so long he's thought of as an American.

1594. arkymalarky - 1/20/2005 5:54:55 PM

More people voted against Bush than any other president in history. His numbers are meaningless. Percent is all that's relevant. He also has a very low approval rating compared to other presidents entering their second terms.

1595. PelleNilsson - 1/21/2005 12:12:00 PM

Thanks, thoughtful, for clearing up the disappearing hat mystery. At one point everyone wore a hat. I wore a hat. Then, in just a couple of years, they disappeared. I have sometimes wondered how and why.

1596. angel-five - 1/21/2005 12:24:50 PM

Yes, I find it kind of amusing to see so many people who were running after Clinton waving torches and pitchforks, now affecting bewilderment that someone's paying close attention to Bush. When you compound that by the fact that people were hounding Clinton because of simple and mundane things like illicit fuckery, and they're watching Bush because of elective warfare and the naked sodomy of the environment and business regulations, it get even more so.

Talk about the unexamined life.

1597. concerned - 2/21/2005 10:45:33 AM

Percent is all that's relevant.

Compare and contrast the 'percent' of the electorate that Xlowntoon won in either of his two terms with that which GWB has won by in 2004.

1598. arkymalarky - 2/21/2005 11:18:03 AM

You're pulling out of context, Con'd. I was responding to the "more people voted for Bush than any other president in our history" comment of Jen's Message # 1581. His margin of victory was not impressive.

Not everything in the universe relates to the devil-incarnate Bill Clinton.

Although Res's post is well taken. Funny how it's suddenly being a poor sport to lament the reelection of someone you think is completely disastrous as president.

I should have relished the 8 years of Clinton--impeachment and all--and enjoyed the impotent rage of his haters more when I had them.

1599. judithathome - 2/21/2005 2:17:26 PM

Compare and contrast the 'percent' of the electorate that Xlowntoon won in either of his two terms with that which GWB has won by in 2004.

Why? It makes no difference whatsoever...how many votes AGAINST Clinton were cast?

1600. wonkers2 - 2/23/2005 6:24:42 PM

Laura Bush is a near-perfect Stepford wife. Not for me. I'll take Teresa Kerry any day.

1601. thoughtful - 2/24/2005 8:30:08 AM

I don't think so. I got a suspicion that Laura Bush wears the pants in the family. Not only are they always sending w on the road and out of the whitehouse, but that random snapshot in time known as 9/11 gave us a glimpse at how business gets done. Cheney was in the whitehouse attending to business, laura was meeting with sr senator from the opposition party, ted kennedy, and w was in fl reading to school children. During george first admin, it was barbara bush who was running around the country reading to school children. Under clinton, it was gore who was running around the world attending state funerals.

1602. KuligintheHooligan - 3/21/2005 3:54:50 PM

Screw you, Ms. No.

1603. KuligintheHooligan - 3/21/2005 3:55:43 PM

Oh, sorry, did I forget something?

Oh, yeah, screw you, Ms. No.

1604. KuligintheHooligan - 3/21/2005 3:58:01 PM

Shoot, I almost forgot.

Screw you, Ms. No.

1605. Ms. No - 3/21/2005 4:18:25 PM

Honey, I wouldn't fuck you with a stolen pussy.

1606. Macnas - 3/22/2005 2:33:46 PM

It's not like Kuligin to get all profane and stuff.

Or is it?

Ms.No, I'm laughing.
It reminds me of a similar phrase I heard, along the lines of: I wouldnt fuck you with a faxed photocopy of "genitalia of your choice"

1607. Ms. No - 3/22/2005 2:46:20 PM

ha, I like that one

As for Kuligin, he goes off his nut every few months and has a major melt-down and then takes a break for awhile. It's pretty routine.

1608. judithathome - 3/22/2005 2:55:52 PM

As predictable as the tides.

1609. Ulgine Barrows - 5/4/2005 11:34:15 PM

May the tides haunt you, as well.

1610. jexster - 5/30/2005 5:21:25 AM

Mago's got class...and so did the Dearly Departed Ace of Spades(Sorry mago)

This HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY goes to the Ace of Ass and she's got a fat one

Goodnight

A people at war have become in the most literal sense obedient, respectful, trustful children again, full of that naïve faith in the all-wisdom and all-power of the adult who takes care of them, imposes his mild but necessary rule upon them and in whom they lose their responsibility and anxieties. In this recrudescence of the child, there is great comfort, and a certain influx of power. On most people the strain of being an independent adult weighs heavily, and upon none more than those members of the significant classes who have had bequeathed to them or have assumed the responsibilities of governing

1611. Jenerator - 6/24/2005 4:19:25 PM

Where IS Ace of Spades these days?

1612. judithathome - 6/26/2005 12:07:29 PM

In The Perfect World...

1613. Ulgine Barrows - 7/22/2005 11:25:03 PM

Puking insurace machines and dweebs like me that run things.

No, I don't want insurance against identity theft.

I also don't want insurance against hiring a bad contractor to work on my house.

Or whatever insurance you're thinking up now.


FUCKWADS. Do your jobs. Secure those databases. Put that tile up correctly the first time.

Incompetent jackass.

You need someone soft in an insurance office to back you up, and they aren't hitting it either.

That commercial of NO NO NO?

It means NObody will miss you when you're gone.

1614. anomie - 7/23/2005 2:34:34 PM

...and no refunds, dammit.

1615. Ulgine Barrows - 8/5/2005 7:58:48 PM

fuck you

i'm going to have the most cake

someday

1616. Ulgine Barrows - 8/13/2005 12:51:54 AM

the wisdom of a fool won't set you free

1617. Ulgine Barrows - 8/13/2005 1:04:02 AM

it's too late to save
your sorry asses, anyway
you're all hiding

somebody out there is infected
can't shake hands, can you?
like your parents
managed to do

1618. Ulgine Barrows - 8/23/2005 2:53:59 AM

Very upset!
Asked some people for help over the summer, let them know I was looking for work in sales.

This one lady I thought highly of, asked me to come and see about a business opportunity. It seemed like such fun! And too god to be true.

I've spent the better part of the night digging on the web about that company and it looks like a pyramid scheme.

Except now it is called MLM: Multi-Level-Marketing.

Horrid, horrid, world, full of broken trusts.

1619. wonkers2 - 8/25/2005 11:19:15 AM

The son of the master of the pyramid scheme, Dick DeVos of Amway, is running for governor of Michigan or possibly for Senator. He announced once before but nearly was jailed over an illegal scheme to avoid paying duty on imports from (or to?) Canada. He got off by paying some big fines and restitutions.

1620. judithathome - 8/25/2005 11:53:47 AM

Just the sort of guy you want to have as Governor...what's his party affiliation? Never mind...let me guess.

1621. Ulgine Barrows - 8/25/2005 10:32:09 PM

That treacherous woman's picture is missing under the Onion's teaser of
Chardonnay Vomited Into NPR Tote

1622. judithathome - 9/2/2005 9:18:28 PM

Yeah, she's full of it, alright.

1623. Jenerator - 9/3/2005 5:18:36 PM

Judith,

Quit being retarded.

Webfeet,

My grandmother is from Southern California, but has lived all over the world. She and her husband (my adopted grandfather) live in Washington State. My dad's dad is from Oklahoma. Her pretentiousness is a learned thing from the air force wives clubs.

1624. Macnas - 9/5/2005 1:44:51 AM

re 317

Judith, I know you and Jen are arguing about N.O. and all the rest, but that comment is just plain mean.

1625. Magoseph - 9/5/2005 3:47:53 AM

If one insults the other, the response is mean also, Mac, but overall, it means nothing because they have been friends for a long time and will remain so forever.

1626. Macnas - 9/5/2005 4:10:28 AM

Hmm.

1627. judithathome - 9/5/2005 1:13:55 PM

Mac, yes, it was mean. It was made on a day when I had read across several forums Jen's remarks about "those people" who were too stupid to leave NO and when she complained openly about them coming to Dallas with no skills with which to help themselves.

Sometimes, a person make insensitive remarks; sometimes, a person hids behind his or her religion. I stand up for what I believe and so does Jen.

I called her on what she'd been saying because it seemed so counter to what she has stood for all these years and has never hesitated to chide us others about when we fall short ...you called me on my remark and I called her on hers. Simple as that.

1628. Jenerator - 9/5/2005 4:10:10 PM

Judith,

You haven't called me on anything. What you HAVE done is accuse me of racism because I have mentioned that the evacuees are by and large on welfare. Is that not truthful? When have I ever even mentioned race? Who the heck cares about race besides you guys trying to insult me with something

When a large group of people is shipped to your state and you must make every accomodation for them, it kinda helps to know what socio-economic demographic you're going to be dealing with. If that is inherently racist, than God help us.

And you clearly have not read what I have written. WHat I have said time and time again is that the lack of strategic and comprehensive planning is what I see as a major problem. But no, you *want* to see this as veiled racism, you *need* to see this as veiled racism.

Whatever, Judith.

Friends don't make petty remarks about me, nor do they accuse me of being racist. If you were my friend and you even had to question my remarks, you would do so. Instead, you resort to your usual passive-aggressive sniping about me in other threads.

1629. judithathome - 9/5/2005 5:38:12 PM

And you clearly have not read what I have written.

Au contraire. I have done exactly that.

And there has been nothing passive agressive about what I've said. I've noticed for years your little veiled remarks about your students and others and if you don't think many people reading your posts haven't noticed, too, then you are mistaken.

1630. judithathome - 9/5/2005 5:39:44 PM

I think we've taken up enough space on things that are clearly NOT fiction so anything else directed toward this subject should be in the Inferno.

I do apologize for being off topic here.

1631. alistairconnor - 9/6/2005 4:39:09 AM

Yeah go to hell both of you...

come to think of it, that's my job.

Judith and Jen, I SEND YOU TO HELL!

Fear me.

1632. alistairconnor - 9/6/2005 4:45:50 AM

This, I suppose, will be more of a surprise to Judith than to Jen.

To wake up in hell.

1633. Macnas - 9/6/2005 5:39:17 AM

Jaysus!

The man has the power!

1634. judithathome - 9/6/2005 10:34:21 AM

Hahahaha...I think you got that backwards, Alistair. I've always expected to end up in hell, assuming there IS one, and I must say, I'll happily do so since all the best people will be there, too.

1635. Jenerator - 9/6/2005 12:29:08 PM

Yeah, that Hitler was a real party animal.

1636. judithathome - 9/6/2005 12:49:24 PM

Heh...what about Mother Teresa? And Ghandi?

I think they might be better company than Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson but YMMV.

1637. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/6/2005 4:19:17 PM

Hell is here and now – and it's creator is with us all . . .

1638. Ulgine Barrows - 9/7/2005 1:30:34 AM

That is a really good display. I can imagine sewing the puffed up bullets on my sewing machine. Quite tedious work, but it looks excellent for what they want to convey.

1639. Ulgine Barrows - 10/8/2005 2:12:11 AM

And dreams were all they gave away for free to ugly duckling girls like me.
I’m not the only soul who’s accused of hit and run.
So I lit a firecracker, went off in my eye.


When the night time comes, I start to creep.
I prowl around when you’re fast asleep.
I walk around on my tippy toes,
And I get into places that nobody knows.

1640. jexster - 10/8/2005 12:46:22 PM

De rien ma cherie

1641. jexster - 10/8/2005 12:55:15 PM

A Palestinian mother, Samar Abdul-Shafti, is kicked by a Jewish boy while a Jewish woman rips off her Islamic headscarf - Hebron


This is where civics lessons should be held Gideon Levy

1642. jexster - 10/8/2005 1:06:18 PM

For forty years I loathed that generation and said, "They are a people whose hearts go astray, and they do not regard my ways."

Therefore in my anger I swore, "They shall not enter my rest God

1643. ronski - 10/8/2005 1:22:37 PM

Shameful treatment of that Palestinian mother, but not as bad as, say, this, the mutilation of an Israeli toddler by Palestinians:

1644. jexster - 10/8/2005 2:24:44 PM

Hector and Lecture 2005 World Tour





The Failed WarLord's Failed Public Diplomat
If Karen Hughes cannot even convince the American media of her spin, why should the rest of the world buy it?
>

1645. jexster - 10/8/2005 2:44:53 PM

Damned shame ain't it?

Had your civics lesson yet Ronski???

1646. jexster - 10/8/2005 2:58:14 PM

And if any babies of SS assigned to the Warsaw Ghetto were killed or maimed in the Uprising..that's a damned shame too...very very sad

Not so much sad as tragic...we're paying $6 Billion a year for these Reality TV shows

1647. jexster - 10/8/2005 3:32:30 PM

But don't take my word for it...take God's and Alan Dershowitz

Alan Dershowitz,

the virulently anti-Jewish statements of intellectuals throughout history? Their numbers included H. L. Mencken ('The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant race ever heard of'); George Bernard Shaw ('Stop being Jews and start being human beings'); Henry Adams ('The whole rotten carcass is rotten with Jew worms'); H.G. Wells ('A careful study of anti-Semitism, prejudice and accusations might be of great value to many Jews, who do not adequately realize the irritation they inflict'); Edgar Degas (characterized as a 'wild anti-Semite'); Denis Diderot ('Brutish people, vile and vulgar men'); Theodore Dreiser (New York is a 'kike's dream of a ghetto,' and Jews are not 'pure Americans' and 'lack integrity'); T. S. Eliot (a social as well as literary anti-Semite, even after the Holocaust); Immanuel Kant ('The Jews still cannot claim any true genius, any truly great man. All their talents and skills revolve around stratagems and low cunning ... They are a nation of swindlers.') Other famous anti-Semites include Tacitus, Cicero, Aleksander Pushkin, Pierre Renoir, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, and, of course, Richard Wagner. This honor roll of anti-Jewish bigotry goes on, and included people of every race, religion, and geographic area, political leaning, gender, and age.

Dershowitz, Alan. Chutzpah. Little, Brown, and Co. Boston, Toronto, London, 1991, p 113).

1648. ronski - 10/8/2005 8:48:25 PM

Damned shame ain't it?

I figured you hadn't grown a brain in my recent absence, jex.

But I thought mabye you'd had a heart implant; you know, a heart that beat and felt that Jewish babies are humans too, but apparently that was too much to hope for.

1649. Ms. No - 11/8/2005 12:34:32 PM

Wonk,

You ought to thank me, you know. Don't you feel better not having to lie and dodge about your true self? But "get stuffed"? That's really not very tough. Come on, I know you can do better than that. I mean, after such a tremendous start you can't really expect to impress us by shooting a blank like "get stuffed", can you?

1650. Macnas - 11/8/2005 12:54:26 PM

Ah yes, the death of some cat in far away climes, who'd have thought it?

I'm going home.

1651. wonkers2 - 11/8/2005 2:43:15 PM

Ha! How about "Fuck you, you whimpering, treacly bitch!"?

1653. jexster - 11/8/2005 5:40:54 PM

Ronski..

In your absence, I regret to inform you that I have decided not to honor Holocaust Free Ride Passes.


The Israelites pay full fare - just like everyone else

1654. Ulgine Barrows - 12/3/2005 4:12:58 AM

You're with her and not with me.





You will all die.

1655. Ms. No - 12/13/2005 5:30:43 PM

You know what's damn rude?

People who wander into your office and start talking to you demanding whatever it is that they need without first looking to see if you're busy doing something else.

People who then proceed to stand over you and wait for you to make a phone call about whatever it is that they needed done because CLEARLY you have nothing else going on that can't be put aside to help them.

People who refuse to approve bills for months on end and then call up to yell at accounts payable when services get cut off for non-payment.

People who assume that the only work you do is whatever they have going on.

I've got a guy --- nice guy, even -- who comes to my office four or five times a day asking for something "right this second" and doesn't understand why I find that exasperating.

I had to politely inform him that he would have to make a list and email it to me and in four hours when I was finished with all the projects that were ahead of him, I'd get to his stuff.

"Why the wait?"

"Because I currently handle payables for 10 different companies and yours is only one of them."

"Really?"

"Really."

"Wow!"

"Indeed."

People who've worked here for years and can't bother to learn the extensions of their co-workers or manage to refer to the phone list. There are only 25 extensions in the whole building.

People who show up to work five minutes before my 9hr day is over and want to take a meeting about whatever project they've got going on that they need my help on.

I can't figure out how to tell people that they need to send me an email and let me get back to them without just being damn rude right back.

Clearly, this is as much my fault as that of my co-workers, but I'm totally bewildered by people who are so incompetent they can't work a fax machine or a copier. Just because they happen to be outside my office doesn't mean I'm the designated office machine trainer.

I actually lied and told someone the other day that I had no idea how to work the copier. He looked at me like I was an idiot never once entertaining the thought that he'd just told me that he had no idea how to work it either.

Idiots! Incompetents! Boobs!!!

This isn't rocket science.

1656. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/13/2005 5:53:18 PM

You go Gal--damn fine rant!

Now email it to all those A-holes.

1657. Ms. No - 12/13/2005 6:15:18 PM

Ha! That would be a riot!

1658. Macnas - 12/14/2005 4:33:31 AM

Oh, it is the burden of those of us who can.

I have an unfortunate reputation as a curmudgeon, which is undoubtedly harmful to my career prospects (ha!) but which sits well with my policy of minimum nonsense.

I had a "stand close to you" guy come in to me last week and stood right beside my chair as I worked. I stopped what I was doing, looked up at him and said "I know you might be lonely, but I don't think I'm ready for a physical relationship just yet".

And of course the old chestnut "Poor planning on your behalf does not constitute an emergency on mine" is always applicable to someone at least twice a week.

1659. PelleNilsson - 12/14/2005 5:22:17 AM

"the burden of those of us who can". Indeed. One is reminded of the old saying "if you want something done, seek out the busiest fellow in the office".

1660. thoughtful - 12/14/2005 9:17:10 AM

ms no, by any chance do you have a door on your office? If so, be sure it's closed. It's amazing how many people will feel free to talk to me when my door is open, but leave me alone when it's shut.

The other thing that works for me is to tell people who interrupt that my outlook calendar is up to date and they can feel free to make an appointment with me.

1661. Ms. No - 12/14/2005 11:25:25 AM

I do have a door, but we've got something of an open-door policy here. Things didn't used to be so bad, but when our receptionist left us, I got delegated to picking up phone duty. Not that big a deal since the phones don't ring much, but Heather also did a lot of the admin duties and the ones she didn't were handled by another woman who's also gone now.

There used to be six of us in the office and now there are only three, one of whom is the file clerk whose English is limited enough that nobody asks her anything. She sits in the front room where the receptionist would sit, but if anyone actually comes to the office she has to come and get me to take care of it.

The other woman is the controller and she doesn't know much of anything about the admin stuff so as they've whittled away staff I've become something of a jack of all trades.

It's job security, sure, but I'm starting to really resent it.

A raise might go a little ways toward easing that resentment. Hmmmm.....have to go about getting one of those.

1662. thoughtful - 12/14/2005 12:34:58 PM

And once you get that reputation as the 'go-to gal' it's hard to shake.

1663. Magoseph - 12/14/2005 1:03:33 PM

Why is it that a man more fastidious than his wife, still forgets after ten years of marriage to put the toilet seat down? Why does the same man leave on the overhead lights and the lamps all over the place and that includes the garage, the guesthouse, the basement, the attic and every room in the house?

What is the use trying to save electricity in this house and being saving and patriotic in the process? Obviously, the money part is of no concern for the man, neither is an appeal to good citizenship or any remonstrance from the wife he professes to love dearly.

Why is it that a woman who doesn’t blink an eye when it comes to buy books, magazines, perfumes, and other unnecessary items for herself, is outraged by her husband’s behavior about lights kept on and is unable to stop herself from going around and turning them off?

1664. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/14/2005 1:05:37 PM

Ms. No, please seriously consider going to your boss and telling her/him you expect a substantial raise if your going to continue doing another's job, besides your own. Otherwise, it's her/his duty to clue your co-workers in.

It's the Republican way for all of the Earth--downsize and work the rest to death for half the cost.

1665. PelleNilsson - 12/14/2005 1:29:32 PM

Why should one put the toilet seat down? Why is there a toilet seat in the first place? Why is it called a toilet seat rather than a toilet cover? These are existential, metaphysical questions.

1666. Magoseph - 12/14/2005 1:51:20 PM

Why should one put the toilet seat down?
Because when one has a small caboose, it may get an unwelcome bath.

Why is there a toilet seat in the first place?
Because a hole in the ground is passé.

Why is it called a toilet seat rather than a toilet cover?
Because it is a cushioned seat, especially made for cabooses, as Ms. No would say.

These are existential, metaphysical questions.?
You don’t say!

1667. thoughtful - 12/14/2005 2:01:35 PM

Mags, I had the other problem. My hubby was well trained to lower the toilet seat, but it was always with a SLAM! most unpleasant during nap time (which I so rarely enjoy and find so precious) or at 2 am. So we got a Toto toilet seat. How wonderful. You just start to lower it and it slowly lowers itself the rest of the way...no SLAM!

Of course what really helped train both hubby and me to shut the seat and the lid at all times was our young kitty who had a tendency to play in/fall in the toilet and it was out of respect for the Cas that the seat is lowered by all.

As far as the light switches, I suggest putting in compact fluorescent bulbs in places where lights are burned for long periods of time or used infrequently so in case he leaves it on, it is at least far more energy efficient. In areas where there is more frequent use, go to home depot and replace the light switch with a motion-detector light switch. This way the lights will shut themselves off after so many minutes of undetected motion. We've found this to work well for the most part, but it didn't work well in our kitchen where it would see us while we were up and about but shut the lights off if we were sitting quietly at the bkfst table reading...then we had to foolishly wave our arms about to get the lights to come back on!

1668. PelleNilsson - 12/14/2005 2:42:33 PM

Now we have another question of great interest. What, exactly, is a caboose? And you have cusioned seats over there for performing whatever it is? The mind starts to boggle.

1669. Ms. No - 12/14/2005 2:47:20 PM

caboose - behind - tookus - arse

Actually, it's the last car on a train, the little red one that I rarely see anymore. Apparently they've fallen out of use.

My grandmother had a cushioned seat on her toilet for years. I've heard they have heated ones as well. My thought is that some folks spend too much time in the small room. It's not good for you, but then, my grandmother had other troubles that sort of required multiple prolonged rides on the porcelain bus and what kind of granddaughter would I be if I begrudged my poor old granny a comfortable seat?

1670. PelleNilsson - 12/14/2005 3:22:45 PM

I have difficulties in imagining something more depraved than caboosing on a padded seat.

On the other hand, nothing of all this explains why a fellow must put the lid down after he has put it up to cater for his own peculiar needs. It is not clear to me by what rights women demand that he do. In fact I think it should be the other way around because men generally pee more often than women, perhaps because they drink more.

1671. thoughtful - 12/14/2005 3:31:55 PM

Men should put the seat down because they too at times need to sit and have found themselves doing that unpleasant fall into the cold damp maw, esp. during the nighttime hours when the room is dimly lit.

Further, there is a reason that they put both a seat and a lid and that is to not only keep the room looking neater and reduce odors and possibly the spread of germs during the flushing process, let alone provide a convenient place to sit when one is drying one's toes.

So the proper way is to keep the seat and the lid closed for all and raise only what need be raised when being used and close the whole thing when finished.

And for men who just can get the hang of closing a lid or aiming, there are now these:


In addition to solving the lid issue, they use less water.

1672. Ms. No - 12/14/2005 3:35:04 PM

Aesthetically it's better to put at least the ring seat down because it hides splatter -- most folks don't wipe down the toilet every time they use it.

It's bad chi to have an open toilet.

The only truly convincing argument I've heard thus far was told to me by a friend. He left the seat up on the toilet and in the middle of the night his sister who had recently given birth went into the bathroom, didn't turn on the light, and proceded to sit into the open pot. She ripped her stitches and got stuck. Since she was too weak and in too much pain to get out by herself half the household was awakened by her shrieking.

So, perhaps the rule should only be "In case there's a pregnant lady or other feeble person in the house, put the seat down just in case."

1673. judithathome - 12/14/2005 5:38:21 PM

I was in purgatory today. Shopping for those last minute things to finish off the orgy that is Christmas.

I've come to the conclusion that America has far too many options on which to waste money.

1674. wonkers2 - 12/14/2005 6:36:21 PM

Is it not true that in Sweden men are required by law to pee sitting down? I confess that W2 follows uses that method when taking a leak in the night.

1675. PelleNilsson - 12/15/2005 12:52:50 AM

Required by law?? You must be kidding.

1676. wonkers2 - 12/15/2005 10:44:29 AM

Ha! Well, would you buy strongly encouraged by Swedish women?

1677. Ms. No - 12/15/2005 11:06:05 AM

pat, pat, pat, poor Judith. I feel for you.....or, rather, I feel for you in the Cafe. Here I have to tell you to suck it up.

1678. PelleNilsson - 12/15/2005 12:37:43 PM

Well, I suppose most women would subscribe to the time-honoured advice "Step closer - it is shorter than you think".

1679. thoughtful - 12/15/2005 1:28:15 PM

well there was that research done by the dutch where they etched a bug in the bottom of the urinals at the airport and found that having that there improved the 'aim' by 84% or some such amount.

I've threatened my husband with a hose with a funnel on the end as a way to keep the bathroom neater. Not understanding how a guy who made the varsity rifle team can miss such a large target that's so nearby, I have since learned a lot of it has to do with distractions. While there, he will often do things like pet the cat if he's standing on the nearby radiator cover, reach for something on the vanity, etc.

1680. wonkers2 - 12/15/2005 3:50:28 PM

Cap'n Dirty sez, "Hmmh, hose with a funnel on the end, that's a new one, but it could have possibilities."

1681. jexster - 12/28/2005 2:54:00 AM

You call me an ASSHOLE RD????


You silly little fascist redneck fuck..

Check back when I am not in the Christmas spirit...

I'll show you asshole

1682. Ulgine Barrows - 12/28/2005 4:39:25 AM

Please don't, my brother used to light his farts and we don't need more of that in this world.

1683. Ulgine Barrows - 3/3/2006 6:23:25 AM

Fuck you all, I'll work you bottom up

1684. Ulgine Barrows - 3/29/2006 11:58:59 PM

2892. Jenerator
yah, you've all the personality of a large potato, and the memory of a flea.

Nice job of calling me crazy, BTW.

And if you don't like anything posted, bring up your weird religion.

Don't let your days go by

1685. Ulgine Barrows - 4/5/2006 10:35:06 PM

No one can save us
But Jen the Waitress
She always
turns me on

1686. Ulgine Barrows - 4/5/2006 10:38:20 PM

That would be a joke for you Green Pajamas fans to understand.
I'm sure Jenerator has lost her beacon on finding that.

1687. Jenerator - 4/6/2006 10:17:44 AM

Wow - all of those obscure music references really mean the world.

1688. Ulgine Barrows - 4/28/2006 7:52:37 PM

19267. Jenerator - 4/28/2006 1:27:05 AM

No such hiking company exists.

Well, duh, ya dumbshit

I'm amazed that you got behind some printed matter, albeit a t-shirt, and checked it out.


Maybe we can do the twirl later!

1689. Ulgine Barrows - 4/28/2006 7:58:31 PM

Has no one told the Donald the comb-over doesn't work?



hahahahah



and he has that hire/fire show, they are sucking the donald long pipe

1690. Jenerator - 4/28/2006 7:59:24 PM

Maybe you can drink some coffee and get sober.

1691. Ulgine Barrows - 4/28/2006 8:01:31 PM

I only drink tea, sweetie, try another character attack.

1692. Jenerator - 4/28/2006 8:03:20 PM

Right, Ulgine.

1693. Jenerator - 4/28/2006 8:03:46 PM

You're the one who said something nasty to me. So what's your problem?

1694. Ulgine Barrows - 4/28/2006 8:08:12 PM

lickin' my lips

Why don't you go listen to Brad Paisley - Waitin' On A Woman

1695. Jenerator - 4/28/2006 8:12:57 PM

I should have known better than to ask you a direct question.

maybe if I post lyrics...

1696. Jenerator - 4/28/2006 8:19:02 PM

I stomped this joint from top to toe,
I found nothing but half pint two bit guys,
Acting out the parts, who might have been charming,
Some are in a movie being batman and robin,
It’s not the way you look, cause you ain’t half bad,
It’s the way you act that makes me sad,
You know you think you’re finger licking and that’s the problem,
Looking rightin the mirror ain’t gonna solve it,
Thats something special deep inside,
Called heart and soul might give you style,
All that time you sent looking at yourself,
You’re so transparent,
It makes me sick

1697. Ulgine Barrows - 4/28/2006 8:22:25 PM

finger licking and that’s the problem,

ears perking up

1698. Jenerator - 4/28/2006 8:25:32 PM

You like to fight and you like to

1699. Ulgine Barrows - 4/28/2006 8:30:04 PM

yeah, I do

1711. PelleNilsson - 4/29/2006 8:43:25 AM

Check.

1712. PelleNilsson - 4/29/2006 8:44:12 AM

Strange. Where are #1700-10?

1713. judithathome - 4/29/2006 3:42:52 PM

OOOoooooOOOOOOOooooooo....who knows?

1714. wonkers2 - 4/29/2006 8:56:09 PM

The Shadow knows!

1715. Ulgine Barrows - 5/12/2006 8:08:45 PM

well fuck you very much for losing my post

1716. Ulgine Barrows - 5/12/2006 8:09:42 PM

raising an eyebrow at the software

1717. Ulgine Barrows - 6/9/2006 8:40:03 PM

I'll probably get run over or something before most of you die

I do adore you all, I've had fun on this board.

I just wanted to say that.


~Road Kill

1718. PsychProf - 6/10/2006 6:13:24 AM

Ulgine...you are an interesting poster.

1719. Ulgine Barrows - 6/17/2006 1:40:30 AM

The name she gave was Caroline
Daughter of a miner
And her ways were free
It seemed to me
The sunshine walked beside her

She came to Spencer
Across the hill
She said he Pa had sent her
'Cause the coal was low
And soon the snow
Would turn the skies to winter

She said she's come
To look for work
She was not seeking favors
And for a dime a day
And a place to stay
She'd turn those hands to labor

But the times were hard Lord
The jobs were few
All through Tecumseh Valley
But she asked around
And a job she found
Tending bar at Gypsy Sally's

She saved enough to get back home
When spring replaced the winter
But her dreams were denied
Her Pa had died
The word come down from Spencer

So she turned a whorin' out on the streets
With all the lust inside her
And it was many a man
Returned again
To lay himself beside her

They found her down beneath the stairs
That led to Gypsy Sally's
In her hand when she died
Was a note that cried
Fare thee well...Tecumseh Valley

Repeat first verse

1720. Ulgine Barrows - 6/17/2006 1:49:06 AM

Tecumseh Valley
~Nanci Griffith

1721. Ulgine Barrows - 6/17/2006 2:03:03 AM

oops, i posted lyrics
tra la la, that makes some ppls angry

too bad

they were good lyrics

1722. Ulgine Barrows - 6/17/2006 2:25:31 AM

fuck you. this PC wpn't comply


Bend me, break me
Anyway you need me
All I want is you
Bend me, break me
Breaking down is easy
All I want is you

1723. Ulgine Barrows - 6/17/2006 2:33:33 AM

no,we don't have more songs.
Jersey dorks.

quelle surprise.

no more songs, tra la la.

1724. Ulgine Barrows - 6/21/2006 10:36:26 PM

New Genious (Brother) Gorillaz Gorillaz [UK] 4 of 17 1 of 1 2 Alternative & Punk 3:59 2001 12/27/2004 2:16 AM 6/21/2006 11:33 PM 26.4 MB 10/14/2005 1:45 PM Apple Lossless audio file 920 kbps

1725. Ulgine Barrows - 6/21/2006 10:45:14 PM

And there, you have it.

1726. arkymalarky - 6/22/2006 7:45:49 PM

The Gorillaz are great.

1727. Ulgine Barrows - 6/23/2006 11:07:20 PM

meh

like any other band
bought the album for too much, since I only like one song

I detest DRM and stupid RIAA.


allofmp3 is getting better and better, yanno?

1728. Ulgine Barrows - 6/23/2006 11:15:11 PM

Peace Frog by Doors

1729. Ulgine Barrows - 6/23/2006 11:21:01 PM

Oh, and I bet PsychProf likes those incest stories.

1730. arkymalarky - 6/24/2006 7:03:47 AM

Gee, Ulgine, in this day and age there's no reason in the world to buy a whole album sound unheard for one song.

1731. concerned - 7/5/2006 9:53:34 PM

Re 19712 -

Bet you could train one to shit in your mouth, jex.

1732. concerned - 7/5/2006 11:33:46 PM

Re. 19718 -

I retract 19717. Perhaps my suggestion was a bit tasteless. Or maybe just awful tasting. Plus it would take more than human defecation, er, I mean dedication.

1733. judithathome - 7/6/2006 5:17:11 PM

I retract 19717. Perhaps my suggestion was a bit tasteless. Or maybe just awful tasting. Plus it would take more than human defecation, er, I mean dedication.

Why don't you take shit like this and the other one to the Inferno, where it belongs?

Tasteless....bet your ass!

1734. Ulgine Barrows - 7/7/2006 10:16:43 PM

No, kiss my ass

1735. judithathome - 7/8/2006 1:45:53 PM

I'll pass...don't know where you've been with that thing! ;-)


(This was a joke, by the way!)

1736. Ulgine Barrows - 7/8/2006 10:54:49 PM

Yeah, stick that nasty up yours, too.
That's a joke too, winkly.

And a big bad finger to you all, long as I'm here in the inferno.

1737. PsychProf - 7/9/2006 7:11:17 AM

hahahaha...good one.

1738. tmesis - 7/25/2006 7:25:35 PM

Swung by the site and immediately remembered again why I never more than lurked briefly here: jexter's constant spamming, though my politics are probably much more closely aligned with his than an idiot like Jenerator's.

1739. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/25/2006 8:39:02 PM

Gee, I'll really miss your posts, tmesis–don't let the door hit you on your ass.

1740. tmesis - 7/25/2006 8:58:21 PM

"don't let the door hit you on your ass."

TheWizardOfManJizz and his cliches aside, this highlights a real problem for the Mote. This site continues to be an inbred fest of the same old regulars, with slow emigration of all the colorful and interesting posters, and no new ones to replace them. What happened to pseudoerasmus, btw?

1741. PsychProf - 7/26/2006 9:03:03 AM

I simply do not understand why a poster that gives his/her opine is told to get the hell out.

1742. alistairConnor - 7/26/2006 9:13:59 AM

Well, whatever. Having a good summer, Prof?

1743. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/26/2006 9:25:07 AM

I simply do not understand why a poster that gives his/her opine is told to get the hell out.

Bullshit!

. . . jexter's constant spamming, though my politics are probably much more closely aligned with his than an idiot like Jenerator's.

A psued and so-called "lurker" comes in with an obvious agenda to complain and insult (with pejoratives) Jexster and Jen. So I encouraged this person to exercise his or her option to leave. If this person was remotely honest and up-front I would have given them the benefit of the doubt.

What don't you understand, Professor?

1744. arkymalarky - 7/26/2006 9:28:34 AM

This has been one of the most "free speech" forums on the net since it's been here. No one told the poster to get out. He intimated he didn't choose to be here and explained why, and Wiz made a very typical reply to what someone says who drops in to complain about why he doesn't drop in.

I simply do not understand why someone would come in and make gratuitous swipes at people who don't even know him--going as far as to call one an idiot--and then leave. But he's welcome to come in and make such remarks and deal with the responses that typically follow them.

1745. PsychProf - 7/26/2006 9:29:32 AM

The atmosphere here...why not encourage the poster to remain and critique if they choose. What don't you understand about that? Or should I just get the fuck out for having the gall to disagree?

1746. arkymalarky - 7/26/2006 9:35:51 AM

No one's asking anyone to leave. We have a dynamic here that you're well aware of. You're welcome to disagree, we're free to disagree with your perception. We welcome anyone who'd like to come in and participate, or even take swipes and leave. That doesn't mean we don't exercise our own freedoms here to respond to unprovoked hostilities.

A case in point is Jen. She said something about the religion thread, she was invited to post there, and instead of swiping and leaving, she posted and worked toward starting a discussion. Whether it takes off depends on who wants to and has the time to participate, just like every discussion. Tmesis is more than welcome to do the same.

1747. arkymalarky - 7/26/2006 9:39:39 AM

And I posted before looking in the Religion thread, and Jen's discussion did take off.

Way to go, Jen!

1748. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/26/2006 10:24:37 AM

The atmosphere here...why not encourage the poster to remain and critique if they choose. What don't you understand about that? Or should I just get the fuck out for having the gall to disagree?

Disagree to your heart's content, but at least spend some time here once in awhile and participate if you're going to take issue with people. Passion has always been de rigueur at The Mote and the atmosphere is based on sharing insights and experiences.

In times like this, however–during war, death and destruction–people are even more passionate about reality. Debate and voting are the only options we have as citizens on a planet that is in a mess.

Being an ex-GI, I've witnessed death and mayhem, yet you would have me not express my honest opinion when I sense that someone who professes to be A Christian, advocates mass murder and injustice?

I say get the fuck in here and tell me why I'm mistaken in my perceptions, because I would love to be wrong about all this.

I made this image almost seven years ago and it's proven be too prophetic and I'm heartsick about it–so please professor, help me out!

1749. PsychProf - 7/26/2006 11:33:14 AM

Wiz...I help you out in ways I have not said...I much admire your Art and have encouraged hundreds of college students to appreciate such in West Hartford. As for here, I see no attempt to change the state of the Mote, and have been previously discouraged from doing so. Cross fertilization is the way to enlarge the scope of contemporary message boards, and it requires time and effort on the part of forum management. Simply linking to another site is not enough.

1750. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/26/2006 1:31:34 PM

Sorry for my zeal and ignorance, of which I have much! I'm also sorry to put you in the cross hairs after misunderstanding your intent.

1751. PsychProf - 7/26/2006 1:51:05 PM

Soon I will get my lazy ass up there and meet you Wiz.

1752. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 7/26/2006 2:14:49 PM

A pleasure I look forward to!

1753. tmesis - 7/26/2006 6:54:41 PM

PsychProf is right. I don't have "an obvious agenda" other than not wanting to see a forum with a lot of potential to keep choking itself. I know the idiots among you can't look past my admittedly sophomoric potshots, but let's face it: jexter IS a spammer, and Jenerator, well, she's special.

1754. arkymalarky - 7/26/2006 7:30:04 PM

We appreciate your noble efforts to save us from ourselves.

1755. alistairConnor - 7/26/2006 7:54:18 PM

Tmesis : I sometimes think that our great potential is behind us. But on the other hand, our prime virtue is longevity. There are a lot of people who have been here, and can come back any time they like. For example, when some other forum turns to crud.

I'm not being disingenuous, just forgetful : I presume I know you under another name?

1756. arkymalarky - 7/26/2006 7:58:28 PM

But enough about us. While you're here, why don't you post in some of the threads? What's your take on the latest in the ME, for instance?

1757. Macnas - 7/27/2006 2:39:05 AM

"As for here, I see no attempt to change the state of the Mote, and have been previously discouraged from doing so. Cross fertilization is the way to enlarge the scope of contemporary message boards"

Ah Psych, you're a bit sensitive about these things.

Personally, I have enough trouble interacting with one forum, let alone others. I must be part of the problem!

1758. iiibbb - 7/27/2006 6:14:16 AM

This is my only forum you Jerks.



(felt that was necessary because this is the inferno)

1759. PsychProf - 7/27/2006 6:35:53 AM

I promise this was the last time I will try to have input here, Macnas. As for sensitive, I have no idea what you are talking about.

1760. Macnas - 7/27/2006 7:14:41 AM

Psych

Promise?

1761. Jenerator - 7/27/2006 7:20:19 AM

i and Jenerator, well, she's special.


Gosh. THANKS Tmesis! I guess I'll put you on the Christmas list after all.

1762. wonkers2 - 7/27/2006 7:22:15 AM

Yeah, as in "special ed." :-)

1763. Macnas - 7/27/2006 7:27:29 AM

wonk, you are a bad man.

1764. wonkers2 - 7/27/2006 7:38:20 AM

I said it with a smile, and I hope Jenerator took it that way. Despite our disagreements I would be sorry if she left the Mote. In fact, I can't think of a single Motie that I would like to see leave. To the contrary, I wish some of the ones who've left would return, even ACE and the crazy Israeli settler. And of course the ever-acerbic but erudite pseudoerasmus. And JJBiener who could be relied on for a concise summary of the latest GOP party line. (In this respect he reminded me of the American commies who had to be nimble to keep in tune with the latest party line from the Comintern.)

1765. Jenerator - 7/27/2006 7:42:02 AM

Wonkers,


I know what you meant, stinkerbutt!;-)

I was just saying the other day that I miss Ace and Rustler.

1766. Macnas - 7/27/2006 7:49:21 AM

yep, I agree with all that, but I know things change as time goes on, thats all.

1767. arkymalarky - 7/27/2006 9:39:28 AM

This is true, and the Mote changes less than a lot of things, which is one thing I like about it. This relationship has lasted a whole lot longer--and with a lot less grief--than some others I've had. ;-)

I miss almost everyone who's no longer here, for whatever reason they've gone, but I really would like to hear from JJ about his views on the current state of affairs as an informed moderate Republican(?).

1768. tmesis - 7/27/2006 7:46:57 PM

alastairConnor: I've never posted much here but did lurk from time to time. I first learned of The Mote through the International thread on Salon's TT(!) and only retrospectively learned of the Fray. TJL/pseudoerasmus, Wolf, Khaval Alazman and many others I don't remember amused me on a regular basis. Geez, that was a long time ago. I haven't come across a forum filled with so many smart people since.

1769. Jenerator - 7/27/2006 8:00:07 PM

Tmesis,

Bite me.

1770. Jenerator - 7/27/2006 8:00:41 PM

Khaval wasn't on the Fray unless she had a different moniker.(?)

1771. Jenerator - 7/27/2006 8:01:10 PM

And she was a psycho bitch from hell, no wonder you were fond of her.

1772. tmesis - 7/27/2006 8:22:06 PM

Jenerator: are you spastic?

1773. wonkers2 - 7/27/2006 8:35:57 PM

The Cap'n sez, "Jen, what about the Cap'n?"

1774. alistairconnor - 7/28/2006 3:10:24 AM

Khaval! Oh yes she was!

And she was MY kind of psycho bitch from hell. I'll have her back, any time.

Yes, the good old days were good, no doubt about it. The idea that they might come back if only we did X or Y, is an illusion, a fallacy. We inherited a fantastic bunch of dominant personalities from Slate, but internet entropy made it pretty much inevitable that people would wander off. And as we're not affiliated to any huge commercial front-end that will pull people in, there is no way that those days will come back.

1775. JEnerator - 7/28/2006 6:29:16 AM

are you spastic?

Only for you!

1776. RickNelson - 7/28/2006 6:56:16 AM

Anyone want to invade the Fray, enmass?

I'm a fan of ya'all and will always be.

For these past two years, in order to get my rocks off, I've been venting about W, to be at war or not to be at war, and once in awhile I look in on Poetry Fray. Mostly I hit Today's Papers. There are a few real strong personalities and just once in a while I get the impression someone is really trying to interact with their mind instead of their gut. Actually that's to harsh, but it's also the gyst of the emotion that permiates the three sides of TPFray. The Dem liberals, the GOPers with rightwingnut spastics(lol), and the Independents. They're all there.

Arkie is a moniker there, I try to see if one Arkie is like another Arky, but they're not.

Pace is one of those you might want to read and get some interaction time with.

DisgustedVet, Cotton and the few that hang together in that crowd are good for down-home talk about American issues, without the feuding.

If a feud you want a feud you can get, try therealwiley.

there's a former dittohead, and there's Sashal another Isreali as we once had. Sashal doesn't seem to have the baggage ours did.

Anyway, flame me for asking, but I'm still hanging in TPFray and would like some of the gang too. It took a long time to try and stomach more Fray, but the articles are in some way different, and the Fray is sort of more relaxed, as in the editors are deleting really bad actors. I've come to want that, rather than just setting them to ignore. F'em, they should be deleted. They're flaming spammers. Real f'n dope brained morons. So, that's my take, and there was once a group of Moties who would break into "we shall overcome" such editting. Not me, it's a good thing, when done right.'

At present it's done right.

Anyway, Moties forever!

1777. RickNelson - 7/28/2006 6:57:44 AM

Btw, if psychprof has been abused, then we need and inferno with me involved.

Is he gone now?

1778. alistairconnor - 7/28/2006 7:20:52 AM

PP abused? I dare ya to find a cite!

I expect he's gone back to his own forum, if it's back up. That's a shame, I wish he would drop in more often and do something other than complain.

1779. RickNelson - 7/28/2006 7:32:26 AM

complaining is good for the purpose it's intended, and I'm first among the class of venting bar none. We've known shakers of the tree, like calgal.

I just always hope that those like PP wont leave forever. Not that I'm regular any more.

I do a lot of venting in TPFray these days. But that place has a lot of abusers.

1780. Macnas - 7/28/2006 7:32:48 AM

Don't say that! He might defenestrate himself.

1781. RickNelson - 7/28/2006 8:16:49 AM

defenestrate?

hmm.. four syllables, could be of use some day?

1782. Macnas - 7/28/2006 8:17:36 AM

It's a great word.

1783. Wombat - 7/28/2006 8:22:20 AM

As in the defenestration of Prague.

1784. Macnas - 7/28/2006 8:29:53 AM

Wasn't used as a method of execution there?

1785. Macnas - 7/28/2006 8:30:21 AM

"wasn't it" I should have said.

1786. Wombat - 7/28/2006 9:11:33 AM

Hmm.

Apparently there were a number of defenestrations in Prague over the centuries. According to Wikipedia, In the 15th century, recalcitrant members of the Prague town council were defenestrated by Hussites. In the 17th century, representatives of the Imperial government were defenestrated by Protestant nobles, which is considered to be one of the opening events of the 30 Years War. Unlike their predecessors--who were hurled onto the massed spears of their enemies--the 17th century defenestratees landed in a pile of horse manure, and survived. They considered it a miracle; their enemies noted that they had returned to whence they came.

In the 20th Century, rebel leader Imre Nagy was thought to have been defenestrated after the failure of the 1956 revolt.

Moral: when in Prague, stay away from the windows!

1787. PelleNilsson - 7/28/2006 10:12:57 AM

But if Nagy was defenestrated it was certainly in Budapest?

1788. wonkers2 - 7/28/2006 10:36:50 AM

Cap'n Dirty sez, "The Cap'n would rather be defenestrated than castrated."

1789. arkymalarky - 7/28/2006 11:52:41 AM

Yes, all about the good ol' days, but where else are you going to get such a unique discussion from such a varied group as what just happened here?

1790. Ulgine Barrows - 8/29/2006 11:43:54 PM

1770. Jenerator - 7/28/2006 3:00:41 AM

Khaval wasn't on the Fray unless she had a different moniker.(?)

1771. Jenerator - 7/28/2006 3:01:10 AM

And she was a psycho bitch from hell, no wonder you were fond of her.


I'd rather exchange ideas with Khaval any day. Jenerator, you're a dullard, as far as I can tell.

A dullard who fancies herself Christian, which is even worse.

1791. Ulgine Barrows - 8/30/2006 12:34:07 AM

A cute dullard, though.

I remember years ago, this really ugly guy who had terrible acne scars, we used to hang out. Go swimming and skiing. He told me I was really lucky to be good-looking.

I'm sure people have told you that also, Jenerator.

1792. Ulgine Barrows - 8/30/2006 12:48:04 AM

My familys not rich by any means,
But I feel we won the lottery that day,
The rock swallowed the girl,
And I cried as cameras caught my eyes,
My tears turned into butterflies,
They fly away as caskets close
A new day comes you'll wake unfold,
Smile when you feel the sunlight,
You feel the sunlight,
You feel the sunlight
You feel the sunlight,

Snails see the benefits,
The beauty in every inch
Oh, why, why, why, why, oh, why,
Are you quick to kiss?

Baby maybe, I spoke to soon
I'll touch you once you make the first move,
Snails see the benefits,
The beauty in every inch

1793. arkymalarky - 8/30/2006 3:21:16 PM

I loved Khaval. A sharp, intense, and quick-witted poster. I wish she was still around.

1794. Ulgine Barrows - 9/1/2006 11:23:29 PM

Yeah, remembering Khaval makes me grin!

1795. Ulgine Barrows - 9/1/2006 11:54:22 PM

ooooh, on the playground
we learn so much

~The Gossip, Listen Up!, Standing In The Way Of Control

GSSP RMX

1796. Ulgine Barrows - 9/2/2006 12:40:50 AM

Moonlight
You're just a heartache in disguise
Won't you keep my heart from breakin'
If it's only for a very short time

~Queen of Hearts, Juice Newton

1797. Ulgine Barrows - 9/2/2006 12:59:44 AM

Honey, you know it makes you mad
Why is everybody tellin' everybody
What you have done
Baby, I know it makes you sad
But when they're handin' out the heartaches
You know you got to have you some

Playing with the queen of hearts
Knowin' it ain't really smart
The joker ain't the only fool
Who'll do anything for you
Laying out another lie
Thinkin' 'bout a life of crime
'Cos that's what I'll have to do
To keep me away from you

1798. Ulgine Barrows - 9/2/2006 1:01:00 AM

~Queen of Hearts, Juice Newton

1799. Ulgine Barrows - 9/27/2006 12:09:14 AM

20253. Magoseph - 9/23/2006 10:16:28 AM

I don't know what happened to post 20250, Ulgine, but 20247 and 20248 were deleted.

Ah, Magoseph, you're not the first to erect a Cal shrine in the hopes she might come back here and thank you for defending her honour.

Honour in the English way, as if Cal would understand that.

Cal is more like honor, your hour is up.

Yes, this is totally bizarre, and so is your delete key.

Lordy, I love autumn and that snap! in the morning air!

1800. Magoseph - 9/27/2006 6:08:16 AM

Ah, Magoseph, you're not the first to erect a Cal shrine in the hopes she might come back here and thank you for defending her honour.

Ah, Ulgine I’m so hurt that I grieve that you do not know better than this sentence above shows.

1801. Ulgine Barrows - 9/28/2006 11:21:10 PM

You fooled me, then, mago.
Not the first time it's happened.

1802. jexster - 10/18/2006 4:05:46 AM

1803. Jenerator - 10/18/2006 6:18:15 AM

Jex and his cache of porn. What a guy!

1804. jexster - 10/18/2006 6:43:24 AM

AC brought it up. The boiz sake ya wet don't they!

1805. Ulgine Barrows - 10/18/2006 10:00:52 PM

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1806. Ulgine Barrows - 10/18/2006 10:18:15 PM

J am so tired of it all... and yet : uld Ma it constantly amusers

1807. Ulgine Barrows - 10/18/2006 10:25:59 PM

Well didn't my new PCP make me look hike A Bork. DORK This per is evil nr

1808. Ulgine Barrows - 10/18/2006 10:30:48 PM

Just got a tablet PC, fool see if you can read what T I Ia. _ FEZ's Ma write

1809. wabbit - 10/19/2006 6:37:18 AM

Cool, Ulgine, I'll be interested to see how the handwriting recognition training goes. Meantime, it seems the tablet PC has a way with words that is all its own!

1810. Ulgine Barrows - 10/20/2006 12:57:00 AM

It frightens me when you come to mind
The day you dropped in the shopping line
And my heart beats faster when I think of all the signs
When they carried you out your mouth was open wide
The cat went astray and the dog did pine for days and days
And we felt so guilty when we played you up
When you were ill, so ill
What sticks in my mind is the sweet jar
On the sideboard. And your multicolored tea cosy
What sticks in my mind is the dew-drop hanging off your nose
Shrivelled up and blue
And I'm getting older, too
But I don't want to die like you
Don't want to die like you

XTC

1811. Ulgine Barrows - 10/20/2006 12:59:31 AM

the handwriting recognition

is wretched, absolutely wretched

1813. alistairconnor - 10/20/2006 5:45:03 AM

You, look hike A Bork? Never, Ulgine!

What album is the XTC from?

1814. jexster - 10/26/2006 10:29:55 PM

Jewed

1816. wabbit - 11/3/2006 5:35:56 PM

Jexster, since this is the Inferno, I'll put this as politely as possible.

You have been repeatedly asked to link to photos. So get over it and start LINKING already.

Like this:

Pastor Ted's Paradise

<a href="http://www.peliculasyseriesgay.galeon.com/imagenes4/bartwinorgy.jpg" title="not work-safe">Pastor Ted's Paradise</a>

1817. jexster - 11/9/2006 5:45:36 PM

I thought THIS was the Inferno where "incivility" was de rigeur?


I guess I must dyslexic. Read it wrong.


Come to Daddy Wabbit

And bite me

Civil enuf 4U?

1818. jexster - 11/9/2006 5:46:07 PM

I love vacations

1819. wabbit - 11/10/2006 7:38:00 AM

C'mon, Jexster, this dumb bunny routine isn't going to fly. I doubt that even you would want a child walking up behind you when that image from #1815 was onscreen. You certainly wouldn't want your boss to see it. Now, if you post a link and someone clicks on it, then the consequences are on them, but at least give them the opportunity to hang themselves.

And I know you don't need this explained to you.

ok, this is the Inferno ...

Bite me, you salacious onanist.


That reminds me of one of those "there are two kinds of people" jokes...there are two kinds of people: those who masturbate and those who won't admit it.

1820. wonkers2 - 11/10/2006 7:44:56 AM

Jex, wabbit is wight!!

1821. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 11/10/2006 9:41:14 AM

. . . and she has your number, numb-nuts!

1824. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 11/10/2006 5:10:05 PM

That's indeed a glitch, Pelle.

1825. wabbit - 11/10/2006 6:11:06 PM

Whoa, what happened there? Three posts missing?

1826. arkymalarky - 11/10/2006 6:52:23 PM

Pelle hit post without a post (he explained it in Politics).

1827. wabbit - 11/10/2006 6:53:17 PM

ah, thanks.

1828. Ulgine Barrows - 11/11/2006 2:09:11 AM

1819, wabbit
Bite me, you salacious onanist.


Oh my goodness, I laughed and had to look up onanist. Which wasn't in my dictionary. And m-w.com is trying to charge these days, no way.

My dict had onanism.

And to jexster & all, I wouldn't want my kid looking at that picture, either. And he won't.

Censorship isn't the answer. I know how to control what my kid looks at. On the PC, and TV.

The internet isn't that much differecnt than TV, if you think about it. I believe someone tried to sue a network a while back.

But ya know, there is an OFF switch.


BOOO on censorship.

1829. Ulgine Barrows - 11/11/2006 2:14:13 AM

I'l censor my own kid, and that's OK.
YAY, on parental censorship!
BOO, on finger censorship!

1830. arkymalarky - 11/11/2006 9:50:00 AM

Long-time people who surf here from work and others have a say too, and a link is a courtesy, not censorship. It's linked. Click it if you want to see it.

1831. jexster - 11/12/2006 11:52:00 AM

Markie Mark!!!

1832. wabbit - 11/12/2006 12:36:54 PM

Now *that's* what we're talking about! A nice boy from Southie.

And one for Jexster - towel holders from Ikea - get 'em while they last!

1833. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 11/12/2006 12:55:52 PM

We've got wood on the set!!!!

1834. Ulgine Barrows - 12/26/2006 4:52:30 AM

The Year In Review

Well, I had a drinking blotto year. Family closeness was far-flung.

I fell down several steps in my drunken forays and almost put out an eye, broke several bones, and I still have a nasty swelling part that I think is getting infected, and scares me.

Various family members are in jail and my husband thinks he might leave me and go back home to mom.

Happy New Year!

1835. Ulgine Barrows - 12/26/2006 5:17:19 AM

There's gotta be a record of you someplace
You gotta be on somebody's books
The lowdown - a picture of your face
Your injured looks
The sacred and profane
The pleasure and the pain
Somewhere your fingerprints remain concrete
And it's your face I'm looking for on every street

...........


A three-chord symphony crashes into space
The moon is hanging upside down
I don't know why it is I'm still on the case
It's a ravenous town
And you still refuse to be traced
Seems to me such a waste
And every victory has a taste that's bittersweet
And it's your face I'm looking for on every street

~Dire Straits

1836. Ulgine Barrows - 12/26/2006 5:46:22 AM

Serious swoon on Mark Knopfler


oooogh



crushola

1837. alistairconnor - 12/26/2006 7:44:28 AM

jesus Ulgine, take better care of yourself next year. An alcohol habit is hard enough to manage, but a self-destructive alcohol habit, please no. Yes I know, you don't really come here to hear the riot act.

But really I just want to spank you.

1838. alistairconnor - 12/26/2006 7:45:26 AM

Music in my head is telling me something. Instrumental track by David Bowie. A new life in a new town.

1839. prolph - 12/27/2006 5:12:42 PM

ulgine I never know whether you are being poetic or true. But of your post is actual please get help, You will find a number for AA in any phone book, Call them. they will help you have a better new year and life.
Love,, Patsy

1840. PsychProf - 12/27/2006 7:55:29 PM

Friends of Bill W., Ulgine. Best of luck and health too.

1841. Ulgine Barrows - 1/8/2007 12:49:00 AM

not a death wish, exactly

stomping out in the snow a few weeks ago
on a MISSION
to get cigarettes

The prize was glowing neon across this expanse of untread snow
A deer ran across it, and jumped the stream

I realized if I tried to make that same jump, I'd die
Frozen
So I didn't jump

And trudged home to ruin another day
By driving to the neon

1842. wonkers2 - 1/8/2007 11:41:31 AM

These days only losers smoke cigarettes. You don't strike me as a loser. Stop smoking! Try more oral sex. Make a New Year's resolution.

1843. judithathome - 1/8/2007 1:39:43 PM

The doctor can give you a prescription for nicotine lollipops...you get both fixes that way, the drug and the oral fixation.

1844. wonkers2 - 1/10/2007 11:01:12 AM

The Cap'n sez "We could change the name of 'The Tomater Sloop' to the 'Good Ship Lollipop!' Which one of you ladies is up fer a little moonlight cruise?"

1845. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 1:06:12 AM

Zap!

1846. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 1:34:19 AM

He stands like a statue, becomes part of the machine
Feeling all the bumpers, always playing clean
Plays by intuition, the digit counters fall
That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball


Hiya jexster

1847. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 1:39:46 AM

Whoops, that was The Who

1848. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 1:41:17 AM

How do you think he does it? I? don't know
What makes him so good

Ain't got no distractions, can't hear no buzzes or bells
Don't see lights a-flashing, plays by sense of smell
Always gets a replay, never seen him fall
That deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball

1849. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 1:44:09 AM

We're caught in a trap
I can't walk out
Because I love you too much baby

Why can't you see
What you're doing to me
When you don't believe a word I say?

We can't go on together
With suspicious minds
And we can't build our dreams
On suspicious minds

So, if an old friend I know
Drops by to say hello
Would I still see suspicion in your eyes?

Here we go again
Asking where I've been
You can't see these tears are real
I'm crying

We can't go on together
With suspicious minds
And we can't build our dreams
On suspicious minds

Oh let our love survive
Or dry the tears from your eyes
Let's don't let a good thing die

When honey, you know
I've never lied to you
Mmm yeah, yeah

Yay - Elvis Presley

1850. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 1:58:14 AM

1842. wonkers2 - 1/8/2007 6:41:31 PM
These days only losers smoke cigarettes

These days only losers preach. Take the car, next exit.
Goodly bye!

1851. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 2:09:29 AM

Let's all overeat and weigh more than we ought!
Cool!

1852. judithathome - 1/14/2007 11:19:22 AM

Whatever. As usual, you are not only on a different plane that I but in a whole 'nother airport.

1853. judithathome - 1/14/2007 11:19:56 AM

And you'll love this: THAN I, not THAT I.

1854. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 8:38:10 PM

Yes, I do love it.
Happy New, judithathome.
I am totally stealing your plane/airport post for another forum. With corrected THAN.

1855. Ulgine Barrows - 1/14/2007 9:05:41 PM

I'll add a comma, as well.


As usual, you are not only on a different plane than I, but in a whole 'nother airport.

The 'nother is a sweet touch.

1856. wonkers2 - 1/15/2007 12:34:01 PM

Ulgine, touche'. Apologies. The Cap'n and I are among your admirers.

1857. prolph - 2/8/2007 11:32:48 PM

I may be the only one to dislike jesxter's constant anti semiti posts but
why is he doing it?
jexter it would be pleasent if you would quit.

1858. Ulgine Barrows - 2/9/2007 3:46:00 AM

Yeah, I could do without those, prolph

His login is jexster, tho.

Simple pleasantries. Hello jexster, hello prolph.

Jews have been money-handlers for years; it's a respected tradition; and I don't know which post upset you, prolph.

1859. Ulgine Barrows - 2/23/2007 12:16:48 AM

Ow, my eyes hurt. I wish I could cry. Really, they hurt. I don't care if you do.

1860. tmesis - 2/28/2007 7:53:45 PM

Speaking of anti-semitism, a question I saw being posed in another forum:

"Did Jew bitches give blowjobs in Auschwitz for the protein?"

1861. wonkers2 - 2/28/2007 8:04:52 PM

Are you sure your name might not better be emesis?

1862. tmesis - 2/28/2007 8:42:50 PM

Don't shoot the messenger. It was so outrageous that I laughed.

1863. wonkers2 - 2/28/2007 9:01:38 PM

It is so outrageous that it doesn't bear repeating.

1864. wonkers2 - 2/28/2007 9:02:30 PM

We already have enough trouble from Jexter's outrageous posts that don't bear repeating.

1865. wonkers2 - 2/28/2007 9:03:02 PM

I wouldn't shoot you, but iiibbb might. He's armed and dangerous.

1866. jexster - 2/28/2007 9:28:32 PM

I don't think it is at all funny and YHWH knows I am always there for a good Sand Nigger or Jew Joke..Polish Italian whatever

Just call me Gunny

nobigotry ] .mp3 (400k)

Drill Instructor: I am hard, but I am fair! There is no racial bigotry here! I do not look down on niggers, kikes, whops or greasers! Here you are ALL equally worthless! And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to SERVE in my beloved Corp. Do you maggots understand that?
Recruits: Sir! Yes sir!
Drill Instructor: Bullshit! I can't hear you!
Recruits: Sir! Yes sir!

1867. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 2/28/2007 10:30:50 PM

NYC Urges People Not to Use N-Word
By SARA KUGLER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 28, 2007; 4:17 PM


NEW YORK -- The City Council approved a resolution Wednesday urging New Yorkers not to use the n-word, citing its long history as a racial epithet and its widespread use among entertainers and youths as a term of endearment.

Councilman Leroy Comrie, sponsor of the measure, began the effort weeks ago at the start of Black History Month. His proposal gradually gained nationwide notice and support.

"People are using it out of context," Comrie said. "People are also denigrating themselves by using the word, and disrespecting their history, disrespecting the history of a people and a country, and also putting themselves in a negative light that we need to correct."

Other communities have passed similar measures, and a historically black college in Alabama recently held a four-day conference to discuss the epithet.

In New York, supporters gathered at City Hall, many wearing small pins featuring a single white "N" in a circle severed by a red slash.

1868. Dubai Vol - 3/1/2007 2:16:29 AM

First post in the inferno, but can't think of a better place to post it.

Acid. Specifically LSD. Ingesting it was the best thing I ever did. Discuss.

1869. tmesis - 3/1/2007 9:30:54 AM

Hey Jersey landfill, Cantor Fitzgerald wants its employees back!


Larry Silverstein needs some underwriters for the Freedom Tower, and they are undermanned.

1870. judithathome - 3/1/2007 2:25:42 PM

Dubai, no way in hell would I ever ingest LSD. I went on some pretty strange trips in the 70s and they scared me enough to never want to go for anything stranger.

And pot made me paranoid as hell.

1871. anomie - 3/3/2007 12:58:10 AM

Dubai, why is it so high on your list?

Without actually admitting that I ever did it... It would be nice if the we could get the good effects without the bad. The bad being the paranoia Judith mentions, and other strange thoughts, like a sort of de-personalization, or seeing yourself at a distance with the awareness that you might be in both places. The best thing was ( I would assume), the change in perceptions of sight and sound. I mean even w/o hallucinating, the sight of leaves on trees seemed to flow into the eyes as if the light blended with the tree to form a substance of some kind. And a pluck of a sngle guitar string sounded like a symphony of overtones.

But what an odd to think about at this stage in my life.

1872. Ulgine Barrows - 3/3/2007 3:17:47 AM

"Full Metal Jacket" is on HBO tonight, playing in the background, and I thought of all you lovely folks.

I'm sorry. That is just a sick movie. And I've been in a sick mental state when I've made most of my posts here. That's my connection.

That scene where he shoots the drill instructor, and then blow his own brains out....sick.

But now they're shooting gooks in the jungle, and that's OK.

1873. Ulgine Barrows - 3/3/2007 5:05:43 AM

I remember taking some LSD when I was 14 and staring at my eyes in the mirror; it was horrible.

1874. Ulgine Barrows - 3/3/2007 5:30:12 AM

My big brother gave me that LSD, and he can sit and rot in his jail for all I care. I have been getting bills in his pseudo name for months, bill collectors calling weekly, if not daily. He is older than me, and he should be ashamed to put me through this ordeal.

Eh. I'm done with his nonsense.
Signed, not taking any collect calls from jails

1875. Ulgine Barrows - 3/6/2007 2:14:27 AM

Great, more hospital and ambulance bills arrive daily, for a brother who's older than me.

I am so angry. If I don't get to slap that older brother of mine before he dies, I'll be angrier, still.

1876. judithathome - 3/6/2007 9:04:25 AM

Does he live near enough to you so that is an option?

1877. jexster - 5/15/2007 1:51:23 PM

Happy Juneteenth for Wonkerstein and the Deetroit PC Polees

1878. jexster - 5/15/2007 1:52:21 PM

Someone mention LSD?

I've taken so much I CAN't remember

1879. wonkers2 - 5/15/2007 1:53:03 PM

Cap'n Dirty sez, "Jexter, BITE MY ASS!"

1880. Ulgine Barrows - 8/15/2007 2:50:09 AM

Peace Frog, a record of the delightful piece they're going t0 blo0w up this evening. Can it be true? Everyone is staring in one direction. Who's going to be our future? Oh, you're devine!

1881. Ulgine Barrows - 8/15/2007 2:51:47 AM

I am so angry at all of you. Blind angry.

1882. Ulgine Barrows - 8/15/2007 2:52:39 AM

Stuffing angry.

1883. judithathome - 8/15/2007 10:32:09 AM

Really? Why not tell us what we've done?

1884. thoughtful - 10/15/2007 7:52:00 PM

My apologies, wabbit, for all the ugliness in the poetry thread. Feel free to move the posts as you see fit.

1885. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/15/2007 8:04:07 PM

I wasn't being ugly, tful, I was being sincere and honest. I felt insulted and called you on it.Besides, poetry can be vitriolic and angry.

1886. wabbit - 10/16/2007 9:04:09 AM

No apologies necessary from either of you. *Honestly*, I don't understand what got this going to begin with. I'm obviously not reading t'ful the same way WoW does.

And just because I'm in the mood, I'm going to do a bit of bitching.

Just because we don't all react to a given set of circumstances the same way doesn't mean we aren't each being honest. As you pointed out, WoW, context is everything, and each of us brings our own background and experience to this particular table. It also doesn't automatically mean we are trying to insult the person with whom we may not agree (lord knows the insults can fly thick and fast around here). What is true for one person may not be true for the next. I look at my siblings sometimes and wonder how we all came from the same household, we are all so vastly different.

Perhaps we could all be a little less quick to take offense as well. I was rejected for jury duty yesterday, for a case I would dearly loved to have been a juror (forcible child rape). Now, was it because I corrected my name with the court officer, since I am no longer hyphenated? Was it because I have an uncle who is fighting extradition on a similar case? Was it because I am taller than either attorney? Why take everything personally? If someone doesn't like a painting I've made, why should I get defensive? They are entitled to their opinion, and whether or not I think it's an educated or knowledgeable opinion doesn't make one whit of difference.

We should be able to agree to disagree, to put forth our points of view without resorting to name-calling and put-downs. What really pisses me off may not bother someone else one bit. Who's right and who's wrong? Who gets to make that call? All we can do is our best and try to be a little more tolerant of people we don't agree with or understand.


But for those occasions when name-calling cannot be avoided, this is the place, and in keeping with that...

everyone can bite me!

1887. Ms. No - 10/16/2007 10:02:02 AM

I'm right, of course. Always.

So bite ME!!

1888. wabbit - 10/16/2007 10:19:56 AM

Hey you, you're only right when you agree 100% with ME!! So go have a martini, m'kay?

1889. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/16/2007 11:48:22 AM

One point, wabb, this skirmish had absolutely nothing to do with my artwork.

1890. wabbit - 10/16/2007 12:11:52 PM

I never said it was about your artwork, and I used my own just an example, WoW. I can't think of a single person who has seen your artwork that hasn't thought it was nothing short of gorgeous. And as beautiful as it is on a computer screen, it is far better in person. Mine, otoh...

I had a roommate who got to decide which of my drawings/paintings could be hung in the public areas of the apartment, and which were unsuitable for public display. Nothing to do with what she liked, mind you, but she could see what would scare people better than I could. I had one guy tell me I should never show anyone that group of paintings, because I would be a suspect in every grisly crime for miles around. A couple teachers couldn't believe they were even mine, because they thought I was "so cheerful", and they worried that I might be seriously depressed and suicidal.

When you say "the secret of painting is to forget one's "self" via the process and to NOT identify with your marks on the canvas", it reminds me why nobody sees my paintings. While I'm never attached to the marks on the canvas, the work is, in the end, all about me. The only time I'm able to forget myself via the process is when I'm learning something new, or doing something specifically requested. Even then, I can still see myself intruding. I don't think it's ego, it's just expression, but I guess it makes me an unsuccessful painter. So if I'm a mere dilettante, ok.

Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding your meaning, much as you might have misunderstood t'ful.

1891. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/16/2007 12:50:05 PM

No, not at all, wabb. What I was trying to get at was that it all comes down to a yearning which enables one to loose that sense of self in pursuit of capturing and expressing a state of oneness with the source of inspiration.

Tful is correct about left-brain and right-brain, but there is an integration of every aspect of one's being that resonates with "reality" by means of a skillful illusion. Artists prime the audience's experience and it carries them to a new insight about themselves and the world.

You're probably way too smart and self-conscious to suspend your analytical side. I'm a childish fool who cares only about beauty--maybe because I've witnessed first-hand the kind of ugly tragedy tful alluded to as well.

If I knew she was so fragile, I would have never challenged her the way I did. Nevertheless, I still don't think I misunderstood tful whatsoever. She implied what she implied.

1892. wabbit - 10/16/2007 1:14:49 PM

I don't know about being too smart, but you're no doubt right about too self-conscious. Trying to explain that would make for a long, boring story, lol!

You may or may not have misunderstood t'ful. I'm just saying you got something out of what she said that I didn't see there. I read her as being self-deprecating for being so literal minded, rather than critical of your ability to think emotionally and expressively. Chacun à son goût, I suppose.

1893. Seamus - 10/16/2007 1:48:51 PM

While I sympathise with your burdens and trials, t'ful, your first comment Message # 5940 in thread 36 came hard on my own statement to Wiz about banishing one's monsters.

In your message you included this:

No illusion in my existence. Fate has made it all too real.

Please, gentle people, enjoy your blank canvases and journals. May those monsters bring you a lifetime of pleasure and creative drive, and stave off the likes of mine.

1894. psychprof - 10/16/2007 3:20:28 PM

http://faculty.babson.edu/krollag/org_site/soc_psych/taylor_illusion.html

1895. psychprof - 10/16/2007 3:22:07 PM

In case the link does not work...

Taylor, S. E. & Brown J. D., Illusion and Well Being: A social psychological perspective on mental health. Psychological Bulletin, 1988, 103, 193-210.
Evidence suggests that positive self-evaluations, over optimism, and perceptions of mastery are normal and supportive of good mental health. They help people care about others, be happy and content, and to be productive and creative. This works because the cognitive mind has filters that distort information in a positive direction and represent negative information as non-threatening as possible.

Traditional theory maintains that sane people have good contact with reality. Early cognition theorist (like Nisbett & Ross) chose the idea of a naive scientists rationally processing data and making inferences and decisions. Yet real info processing has incomplete data gathering, shortcuts and biases.. The author substitues "illusion" for these terms to emphasize their euduring nature.

Various experiments show that people have unrealistically postive views of the self, exaggerated perceptions of personal control, and unrealistic optimism.

Unrealistically Positive Views of the Self
People judge positive traits more characteristic of self than negative traits. Negative traits are difficult to recall. People racall task performance better than it was. People belive they have improved when their performance hasn't changed.

People generally see themselves as better than others. They give others less credit for success then themselves. Friends are evaluated more positively than strangers. They believe they are less likely to experience negative events. They believe they will perform better on future tasks. In fact, it seems that people who are depressed or in poor mental health don't have this positive bias.

Effect of Ilusions on Aspects of Mental Health

Happiness or Contentment
70-80% of people say they are happy, and 60% say more than others. Happy people have higher opinions of themselves and feel they are in more control and are more unrealistically optimistic. People who attribute success to self and failure to situation have a better mood.

Ability to Care for Others
People ina positive mood are more likely to help others, initiate conversations, negotiate better. "Positve affect is associated with increased sociability and benevolence"

Capacity for Creative, Productive Work
Positive affect seems to improve recall and problem solving strategies. The illusion of self-control and positivism fosters motivation, persistance at tasks, and more effective performance. Peoploe with high self-esteem have higher estimations of future performance. Beliefs in personal efficacy increase motivation. Mastery-oriented children perform better than "helpless" thnking children.

Higher expectations of success cause people to work longer. One of the chief symptoms of depression is inactivity.

Reconciling Contradictory Views of Mental Health
Clincal research has been with abnormal people. Social research has been somewhat articial in labs and probably is too suportive of illusions. Most situations are new, so people can't rely on past information

People are more likely to use self-serving attributions when the behavior is important to them. Illusion are useful in dealing with tragic events.

Management of Negative Feedback

People are unwilling to give negative feedback. These social norms ensure that most feedback is positive. People also signal how they want to be treated by adopting physical cues and by taking certain roles. People often seek feedback when they know it will be positive.

People also select friends that have similar attitudes and belief, which reinforce their own perception that their own beliefs are correct. The maintainence of self-esteem is a big benefit of social support. Friends agreement on one's personal attributes can act as a buffer against disconfirming feedback.

People also encode information consistent with their prior beliefs. Pre-existing beliefs affect how one views the relevancy of new information, especially if it is ambiguous. Ambiguous info is usually processed to confirm one's pre-existing beliefs. Discrepant feedback is often seen as eroneous than feedback consistent with self-perception. Or it is explained away by situational factors.

People also remember positive information better than negative feedback.

Even if there is a change in self-perception (like after failing a test) is is usually temporary -- people move back to the orignial state (known as cognitive drift).

Finally people may change from positive feedback more from negative feedback. Living with positive illusions may have some long term drawbacks. They may not prepare for catastrophic events. Or people may trample on the rights of others. People may oversimplify interpretation of events and ignore important sources of information.

1896. psychprof - 10/16/2007 3:36:52 PM

Wow...I just read the Poetry thread...I am too much drive by, I know, but SE Tayor was a student of mine and I just thought that her article on illusion was interesting and relevant to the discussion.

1897. thoughtful - 10/16/2007 5:00:07 PM

Seamus, the comments you repeated in 1893 above, were made out of envy...envy of the creative drive* that leads a blank canvas or journal to call you so monstrously...envy at what seems to be a life so benevolent that these creative urges take on such meaning for you. My defining my monsters was only to suggest that from personal experience, I know life is not always as good to us as we wish it would be. My wish to you that these creative urges be the worst that happens to you for the rest of your life was no different from wishing you a long and happy life or toasting to your good health.

I don't see how that is patronizing.

How you found even a suggestion that I think [your] "existence is trivial and unworthy because [you] haven't maxed out in the pain department" in anything i expressed is really beyond me.

-------------------
*You see, one of the big frustrations in my life is that I lack the creativity genius my brother had to see things that never existed and make them so. My sorrow for him was that he never appreciated the wonderful gift he had or enjoyed it to even a fraction of what would have been possible.

1898. arkymalarky - 10/16/2007 5:36:20 PM

One of the best poets I ever had the pleasure to know personally was quadriplegic, injured in the last football game of his senior year in high school. He was raised by a temperamental (to put it as kindly as possible) aunt while his parents worked for the circus. His mother committed suicide and his father never had anything to do with him. My dad's working on a biography of this amazing man right now. I would link to information on him, but he hasn't made it into the internet. I posted a poem of his once, about his quadriplegia.

It's such a mystery what makes people what they are (and what fails to make them what they could be). That he should have lived through all that and loved everyone and everything in his life until the very end, with never a complaint and yet no denial, is as amazing as those great talents who are blessed in so many ways but are unable to perceive it, and who find very little but torment in what others view as a charmed life.

1899. wabbit - 10/16/2007 6:25:19 PM

Prof, is the full study available? I'd be very interested to read it. Do "people generally see themselves as better than others"? If so, wow. Also, just because I'm such a nitpicking bitch, she needs a proofreader.

Arky, please let us know as soon as your dad gets this next book out. Can you repost the poem in Poetry?

1900. psychprof - 10/16/2007 6:43:28 PM

Yes, Wabbit...

Taylor, S. E. & Brown J. D., Illusion and Well Being: A social psychological perspective on mental health. Psychological Bulletin, 1988, 103, 193-210.

1901. wabbit - 10/16/2007 6:57:57 PM

Ah, you no sooner repost that (am I blind or what?) than I find a link to a PDF version of the very article:

Illusion and Well Being: A social psychological perspective on mental health

and another to its follow-up:

Positive Illusions and Well Being Revisited

And hey, don't be such a stranger!

1902. Seamus - 10/16/2007 7:01:05 PM

t'ful, clearly we are at cross purposes, then, because for you to say that anyone else's life "seems...so benevolent that these creative urges take on such meaning" for them tells me you have no capacity to imagine anyone's suffering outside of your own, let alone the relationship between the creative impulse and someone else's life experiences.

I'd suggest you word your expressions of simple "envy" a bit less callously if you don't want them misread in the future. At least by me.

1903. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/16/2007 7:54:15 PM

Seamus and pp, thanks for the heads up and for the timeliness of your contributions. I tend to use the the term "illusion" not in a pejorative sense (as I think tful was using it), but rather in the "Maya (in Hinduism)" sense--which may help clarify some things for all parties here.

The ideas and concepts found in Eastern thought have absolutely nothing to do with the dogmas of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. How I wish people wouldn't lump them together. These ideas have everything to do with "reality" and understanding them can actually transform one's consciousness--which after all is said and done, is the ultimate goal of psyhcology, the arts, religion, philosopy, etc. and mature awareness.

1904. alistairconnor - 10/17/2007 3:09:27 AM

Hey PP, it's nice to know you're keeping an eye on us...
did you catch the Shakespeare in your drive-by? Ties in nicely, especially the second version... the virtues of "simple truth suppressed".

Personally I like to think that playfulness is the key...
When my love swears that she is made of truth,
I do believe her though I know she lies

-- i.e. all the world's a stage, and even in the most intimate relationships there is voluntary suspension of disbelief. As long as the private joke remains funny for both parties...

This probably makes me more fragile than the truly self-deluded, but, perhaps, more resilient too.

1905. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/17/2007 8:28:23 AM

Illusion, from the Latin, ludere - to play

1906. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/17/2007 8:30:48 AM

Btw, thanks for that psych paper, pp.

1907. arkymalarky - 10/17/2007 4:50:18 PM

Sure Wabbit. I'll dig it up and hopefully two or three others of his and post them in Poetry.

1908. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/18/2007 9:45:14 AM

1909. Ms. No - 6/23/2008 9:09:11 PM

I am so impressed by the good people I've heard today gleefully chortling over what they assume to be the eternal torment of a man who was married to the same woman for more than thirty years before being widowed. A man who raised a child in Hollywood who never ended up in a scandal, who is happily married herself, a productive member of society and still thinks of her dad as her hero. A man who once sent a royalty payment to a collegue because he used the man's idea --- even though nobody would ever have known he did it.

A man of integrity, honor and faithfulness.

And yet, I've heard no fewer than four people today talk about how he's burning in hellfire, three of them laughing their asses off doing their impressions of him screaming in agony.

THAT'S why people think so many self-proclaimed Christians are assholes.

Because so many of them are.

1910. wonkers2 - 6/23/2008 10:15:41 PM

Excuse my ignorance, Ms. No. To whom are you referring?

1911. Ms. No - 6/23/2008 10:28:40 PM

George Carlin.

Sorry, I was so caught up in my rant I forgot to mention.

1912. wonkers2 - 6/24/2008 8:32:18 AM

It should have been obvious to me. Anyway, I agree

1913. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:03:53 AM

Gay or God's Plan?

1914. jexster - 10/2/2008 11:39:33 AM

When you're sliding into home

and your pants are full of foam

Diarrhea, diarrhea


When you think your friends are joking
but your pants are brown and soaking:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
Now you think you're feeling better
but you keep on getting wetter:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

Toilet paper you need to gather
and your butt worked up a lather:
Diarrhea, diarrhea

When your stomach starts a rollin'
and you're cleaning out your colon:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you're on the seat for hours
and it doesn't smell like flowers:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When the feeling's not that nice
and you have to flush it twice:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you're rolling like a tire
and your intestines are on fire:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When your stomach really hurts,
and you know that it’s the squirts:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you're miles from anywhere,
and your bowels just don't care:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you're walkin down the hall,
and you feel something fall:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When your chillin’ with your daughter
and you feel the poopoo water:
Diarrhea, diarhea.

When you're fecally obsessed
and it splatters on your chest:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re driving in your Ford
and corn fills up your cords:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
(* In Cars)

When you’re in a Pontiac
and brown comes down your crack:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
(* In Cars)

When you’re sitting in your Chevy
and you feel something heavy:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
(* In Cars)

When you’re in a corvette
and you feel something wet:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
(* In Cars)

When you’re driving in a race
and it flies up on your face:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
(* In Cars)

When you’re driving down the road
and you’re butt tries to explode:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
(* In Cars)
When you’re shifting into gear
and you feel something smear:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.
(* In Cars)

When you’re climbing in a tree
and it trickles on your knee:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re swimming in the river
and your butt starts to quiver:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re in the bathroom soaping
and your butt starts the opening:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re rummaging in the attic
and your ass goes automatic:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When your bowels are paranoid
and you just busted a 'roid:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you do a little dance
and it's gooey in yer pants:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re lounging by the pool
and your ass begins to drool:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re sitting on the fence
and you’re feeling hot and tense:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you think you passed gas
and it’s wet in your ass:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

1915. jexster - 10/2/2008 11:39:54 AM

When it floats down the gutter
and it looks like peanut butter:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When your tummy’s feeling funny
and your pants are hot n’ runny:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you're sitting in the class
and its a running down your ass:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When your stomach’s feeling sick
and your turd is fast and slick:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re looking at your shoes
and you feel something ooze:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When your stomach kinda hurts
and your anus starts to squirt:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re running down the road
and you can’t control your load:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re running down the hall
and something splatters on the wall:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re dancin’ to the Clash
And you feel something splash:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.


When you are the nervous groom
and you make a fecal bloom:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you smell just like a hog
and you make a liquid log:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you don’t feel like a winner
and your butt blows out your dinner:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you really want to shout
and it keeps on gushing out:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re sitting on the pot
and it’s coming out a lot:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When it sounds just like a horn
and your butt pops out like corn:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re shopping at the store
and it’s dripping on the floor:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re acting like a fool
and your pants fill up with stool:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re feeling kinda funky
and your butt is super skunky:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re filling up your pants
and in a bowleg-cowboy stance:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you start to beg and pray
and your butt begins to spray:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When your stomach really hurts
and you know it is the squirts:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

When you’re miles from anywhere
and your bowels just don’t care:
Diarrhea, diarrhea.

1916. jexster - 10/3/2008 3:56:53 PM

Hidy Ho!

1917. jexster - 10/12/2008 11:02:52 AM

As a public service for any McCrackerpots who manage to grow a spine

spook nigger coon porch monkey spade nigga black negro jiggaboo darkie jungle bunny jigaboo spear chucker yard ape moon cricket nig monkey jig shine niglet swamp ninja nig nog colored boogie spearchucker eggplant cotton picker tar baby porchmonkey ape slave nigglet scare niggers spooky blackie spooks afro gorilla mooly bitch splib blacky spirit

1918. iiibbb - 10/14/2008 3:05:20 PM

fuck Fuck fUck fuCk fucK FUck fUCk fUcK FUCk fuCK FucK FuCk fUCK FuCK FUcK FUCK

1919. anomie - 10/16/2008 11:50:53 AM

I'll say.

1920. alistairConnor - 11/13/2008 2:35:58 AM

Blast from the past.
The story so far : Pincher Martin and Niner (Sir Edward Pakenham) were in heated debate, about a month ago, and Calgal apparently deleted a post by Pincher. He went off in a huff, and came back recently.

< href="http://www.theperfectworld.us/thread.php?id=181&postNum=20816">Now read on...

1921. wabbit - 12/1/2008 9:20:33 PM

Jexster,

You are on my last nerve. If you are not interested in having a discussion, if the best you can do is make fun of the families of other posters, then you are going to have to go piss in someone else's pool. I won't bother warning you again.

And anyone who wants to whine and moan about me picking on poor Jexster and stomping on his right to "free speech", kiss my fat white ass.

1922. alistairconnor - 12/2/2008 1:08:37 PM

Hey I'd do that anyway. Doll.

1923. jexster - 12/2/2008 3:13:30 PM

I didn't know you had a fat ass Wabbit...but that was a dead ringer for wonkers...

AC can piss in your pool..not interested

1924. wonkers2 - 12/2/2008 3:28:47 PM

The Cap'n sez, "Careful, rumor has it that AC bites!"

1925. wabbit - 12/2/2008 6:32:16 PM

wonkers, this isn't AC's battle anymore. Actually, it never was. I'm the one who's had it with Jexster. And lest anyone think I don't mean business, allow me to remind you… cazart, jonthecat (who I actually liked), Rosie… I'm sure there are more.

I've gotten emails from people that would curl or straighten your hair. I could not care less. I honestly don't give a rat's ass about Jexster. If he wants to take a shot at someone who posts here, I have no problem with that. He isn't close to clever. But he has gotten away with talking shit about family members who do NOT post here, and I'm done tolerating his petty crap. He has stepped over a line, and if I have to paint that line in flourescent green for anyone, then you too should feel free to go elsewhere.

Many people tried to work around Jexster's incessent trolling. I have the emails to prove it. But not having the keys to the kingdom, they found themselves powerless to do anything about him. Well, here's a big boo fucking hoo for Jexster and his supporters, but I *do* have the keys, and it's long past overdue that they be used. No more trolls, no more endless one sentence posts that were copied from someone else, no more insults about other people's families, no more taking over this forum and having absolutely nothing to say or contribute. Not one person has ever treated Jexster with the level of disrespect he has routinely shoveled at others and at the forum as a whole. He's been warned over and over and over again, and he counts on one or two people to rise to his defense. Funny how those same people were nowhere to be seen when it was Rosie who was being warned, but then his politics were distasteful, I suppose. Jexster is either too ignorant to know when enough is enough, or he is too vapid to realize that his inanity is neither interesting nor actually making any kind of a point. Either way makes no difference to me. He has been tolerated for too long.

I have resisted having a list of rules for this forum for many years, trusting people to monitor themselves and each other, and thinking that the "Golden Rule" should be enough. Clearly I was wrong. The past several years have shown that in government, business, and here in the Mote, unless someone is willing to be the hall monitor, people will behave as badly as they can get away with. Fine. If a hall monitor is what's needed, then a hall monitor is what I will be. I've had enough. I've had enough of Jexster and trolls like him. I've had enough of people who want no part of helping out here dictating the terms of how this forum should be run.

Message # 1923 Jexster, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. As usual.

1926. JJBiener - 12/2/2008 7:23:20 PM

A few days ago I was reading through some of the Mote Archives, the Politics thread in particular. I thought it was remarkable how different the Mote was back then. There were actually long, involved discussions about the issues of the day, and while there were occasional digressions into personal attacks, it was the exception instead of the rule.

I have been to other forums, but the participants don't come close to the people we used to have around here. I am consistently surprised by how many people at these places can argue passionately about things they know absolutely nothing about.

From a philosophical point of view, this forum has the same problems we see in society as a whole. How do you find the balance between freedom and control, chaos and order.

The Mote has always erred on the side of freedom. While good in theory, this has allowed a few negative and vocal individuals to drive away many of the people who made this place what it was. That is why I spend so little time here.

If Wabbit wants to get rid of a few trolls, maybe some of the old gang will see fit to return.

1927. jexster - 12/2/2008 7:35:07 PM

Capn Would Drink Their Bath Water

1928. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/2/2008 7:54:53 PM

I love you wabbit! I love your brain, I love your words, I love your indignation and I love your spirit . . . and your ass! If I wasn't happily married, I'd even write you love letters and court you.

1929. wabbit - 12/2/2008 8:09:08 PM

Alas WoW, you are married and having met your charming and beautiful wife I can say lucky you, because she is wonderful. But I'm sure I'd love reading those letters!


JJB, I go through the archives every so often and am amazed at the discussions and appreciative of those who have stuck with us. The Sci-Tech thread from the Fray always makes me smile. I wish I had all the old Fray threads. I've made most of what I do have available, though it looks like I'm due to move them to a new host. It's good to see you again.

1930. vonKreedon - 12/3/2008 10:57:11 AM

Jexster is the one reason I don't post here with any regularity or interest. Cal used to mock me for claiming that one can be shouted down in an online environment, Jex is empirical proof of the possibility.

1931. thoughtful - 12/3/2008 4:19:43 PM

I said it a long time ago...Grisham's law come to the fray/mote. The bad posters will drive out the good.

We did used to have fabulous discussions around here...that caused me to think and stretch as good intellectual exchange should. I've looked back at some really old posts from the late 90s that i'd saved and was stunned at how sharp the other posters were and how much sharper that made me. It was really a mutually beneficial exchange. EG, I remember learning about ochams' razor here. It helped me to grow and I was better for it.

This place hasn't been that way in a long long time and I'm sorry for it. Any half way decent exchanges seem to deteriorate into ugliness, for which no one is better off.

1932. jexster - 12/3/2008 6:46:20 PM

Jexster is the one reason I don't post here with any regularity or interest. Cal used to mock me for claiming that one can be shouted down in an online environment, Jex is empirical proof of the possibility.



I will gouge your eyeballs out and skull fuck you

1933. jexster - 12/3/2008 6:49:06 PM

Last time I had a "lengthy" discussion with VK..I defended Manny Wallerstein's thesis that the War on Iraq was both symptom and cause of the demise of the US as one of the four global hegemons in the history of World Capitalism

I leave it to VK to declare his motives for raising the White Flag of Surrender

1934. jexster - 12/3/2008 6:49:46 PM

EG, I remember learning about ochams' razor here. It helped me to grow and I was better for it.

Why UR welcome!

1935. jexster - 12/3/2008 6:51:45 PM

Waaay back in the day when Nixon was president, I recall a Kissinger quote about Robert McNamara to the effect that he could overwhelm his opponents in any argument, silence them and leave them totally unpersuaded

Such is my cross to bear I thought then and knew a LONG time ago

1936. wonkers2 - 12/3/2008 7:28:17 PM

Please, Occam's Razor.

1937. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/3/2008 8:27:41 PM

. . . sometimes spelled Ockham's razor

1938. jexster - 12/3/2008 9:47:04 PM

Hey Wonks! You still sporting a Nehru Jacket???

1939. jexster - 12/3/2008 9:50:19 PM

1940. arkymalarky - 12/3/2008 10:00:20 PM

Things descended into drama a few years ago and a lot of people left as a result. IMHO, many who stayed failed to adequately nurture the site in a number of ways after that, including benign neglect. I'm as guilty of this (probably more so) as anyone. But the hosted thread structure--which looked at anyone policing a thread before the thread host stepped in as an encroachment on their territory--exacerbated the problem. The individual hosting is great, but policing is a tall order for many people. However, even considering all that, Jex has been the only consistent issue since the Great Schism.

When I was a kid we used to go up the block to what we called "The Little Store" with the neighbor kids to spend our allowance. The store owners were a rather heavy older couple. One neighbor kid called them "Mr and Mrs Fatso" whenever we came in. He fancied himself as a big kidder and he didn't have the basic social skills to know better. When the owners finally told him that if he couldn't be respectful he couldn't come into the store any more, we all felt very awkward, including the owners and the kid. But enough was enough.

For me, the line is crossed when a poster targets and harasses another poster or posters in ways that impair their ability to function in the forum and ways which others can't ignore. That's bullying and I despise bullies. The other line I consider as moderator is being a general, chronic, impossible to ignore nuisance, but we have always tried to defer to the thread host first on that. I don't think, for obvious reasons, that's a practical policy any more.

So Jex can be on the defensive instead of the offensive for a change, or he can facilitate rather than inhibit discussion and quit singling out his personal "Mr Fatsos," or the hammer can come down. It's entirely in his court. And I like Jex. I liked the neighbor kid. But the proprietors were right on in telling him to have some respect for others and for making it clear he wouldn't be welcome back if he didn't.

1941. Wombat - 12/4/2008 10:44:52 AM

While I do not contribute as much as I used to, I lurk daily. I am of two minds. I know from my interactions with Jex on the History thread that he can be a constructive and amusing contributor. At the same time, there are some threads that I barely look at, because they are all Jex all the time, with rendundant and sometimmes abusive screeds. Many of us lose patience with particular contributors (me and Concerned, for example), and most of us have particular shticks in our posting style that can irritate.

It is too bad that a degree of civility might have to come from Wabbit's "big stick," but if it's deemed necessary, I won't protest.

1942. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 10:47:03 AM

IMHO we need more active participants like Jex, not fewer. Anyone who doesn't agree with or is offended by his posts need not reply and can easily scroll past them as I do many of them. Jexter attempts to harrass me are sometimes annoying but nothing I'm unable to tolerate and certainly would not cause me to leave the Mote. However, I can see how his use of racist, religious and ethnic slurs might discourage others from participating in the forum.

1943. vonKreedon - 12/4/2008 11:42:53 AM

Wonker says:
" Anyone who doesn't agree with or is offended by his posts need not reply and can easily scroll past them as I do many of them."

Unfortunately one cannot "easily scroll past" Jex's massively serial posts. I regularly find that in threads I might be interested in posting to that over 80% of the posts are Jex posts, and well over 80% of those are to my reading raving abusive drivel. It is simply not worth the effort to try and post to the Mote because of Jex's ravings. If there were an Ignore feature that would remove Jex from view it might be doable, but not with current all Jex all the time in all the threads environment.

The Mote might need more active participants, but not like Jex and it will not get them with an unfettered Jex drowning out such participants.

1944. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 11:54:24 AM

Lighten up, VK! The Mote isn't ever going to compete with the Encyclopedia Britannica or Wikipedia.

1945. jexster - 12/4/2008 12:05:49 PM

Said it b4 ..will say it again...all you have to do is post

1946. jexster - 12/4/2008 12:06:40 PM

It is easy..I recommend a 3 step process

1. compose post
2. hit preview to check for toys
3. Hit post

1947. jexster - 12/4/2008 12:13:25 PM

U guyz are right though. Bereft of Concern, I tossed caution and brain to the wind and struck out in search of losers to torture in the Yahoo! Buzz threads...there are about 20-30 Concerned's left there still bashing Hussein and waiting for the Supreme Court to compel Obama to prove he is a natural born citizen etc

General reaction paraphrase: "I hate that asshole JohnMcCSF"

Which was the objective of course

1948. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/4/2008 12:29:29 PM

If it's a question of enthusiasm, jexster puts us all to shame; if it's a question of tolerating a joker in the deck, then it makes for a wilder game, I suppose, but it can indeed be annoying and tedious, I agree.

Jexster, pisses on everyone's shoes, sooner or later and he deserves a good wrap on the snout when he does it. Nevertheless, he keeps me in touch with a lot of ideas, events and points of view that I would miss if he weren't around.

Moreover, upon reflection of the times I've lurked in TPW, I still say good riddance to those self-inflated pedants and snobs who think they're superior to all others. Nor do I have the patience to ferret out all of their personal codes of communication that are incessantly meant to ascend Cal's pecking order.

They just don't have the humanity and the humility of those around here. I've never been impressed by over-informed careerists. I'll take courage, integrity and sincerity every time--and that's why I (compulsively) come back here, I suppose.

I may not always show it, but I respect and admire all of the posters here. It's also a game I know and I'm not interested in the ego games that CalGal invented and wallows in. She is mean and shallow, has always been mean and shallow and I hope that she, someday, lives to recognize it--for her own sake.

When everybody sings the same tune, the words become meaningless.

1949. arkymalarky - 12/4/2008 12:39:19 PM

I agree. We're all about dealing with the dynamic of this forum, and it's well worth the effort. I'm also thrilled to see some familiar folks back and hope they stick around.

I also meant yesterday to second Thoughtful's post. I'm a better thinker, communicator, and teacher (and community activist!) because of my participation here, and it is a constant resource for me.

1950. David Ehrenstein - 12/4/2008 12:48:00 PM

What'st this about? Concerned leaving? That's cause Obama won.

1951. Wombat - 12/4/2008 12:58:21 PM

David:

Didn't you hear? The Obama scoialist death squads took Concerned off for reeducation. If that doesn't work...the kugel.

1952. Wombat - 12/4/2008 12:58:52 PM

"socialist" of course.

1953. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 1:07:29 PM

Maybe concerned is the poor guy in this video? Or perhaps Jexter was caught in a Watergate-like caper in the GOP headquarters??

Gay or God's Plan?

1954. Wombat - 12/4/2008 1:25:52 PM

No that's what would have happened to Jex if McCain-Palin had won.

1955. iiibbb - 12/4/2008 2:38:22 PM

I still like The Mote.

I think the low membership may be due to the ergonomics of the thread structure more than the people here. Believe me this place is tame compared to many, but that may be as much due to the fact it's a small group.

The problem I've always had is if you drop a thread for a day or two, it's hard to find your place again. You can't search for posts, or track responses... every post has to be stand alone and fleeting. Newcomers probably have a horrible time getting oriented.

1956. iiibbb - 12/4/2008 2:41:38 PM

What I like most is that I feel like I can post whatever I want here. More-so than other boards.

I also don't feel like my posts have to be absolutely bulletproof.

I don't have a lot of compassion for Concerned these past few months. His posts were no more out of line than some of Jex's.

1957. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 3:04:04 PM

Me to re: freedom to post. Jex and concerned are assets to the Mote IMHO. It would be boring if everybody agreed with everybody else and the posts were all like research papers with appropriate citations or NYT op-eds. I like the wild, wild west, no holds barred format.

1958. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 3:14:13 PM

erratum: me too

1959. jexster - 12/4/2008 3:16:44 PM

The longest continuous thread on the Mote in 5 years?

Thanks to a picture of Guru Wonkers the Wuss floating in the Ganges on a recent family outing

I am the GREATISS

1960. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 3:18:52 PM

Yeah, without Jex we wouldn't need an Inferno thread!

1961. vonKreedon - 12/4/2008 3:43:26 PM

It's not a matter of disagreement, Jex and I agree on most issues, it's a matter of volume and content-to-noise ratio.

1962. vonKreedon - 12/4/2008 3:45:42 PM

It's not a matter of disagreement, Jex and I agree on most issues, it's a matter of volume and content-to-noise ratio.

1963. thoughtful - 12/4/2008 3:54:33 PM

talk about your noise!
:)

1964. thoughtful - 12/4/2008 3:57:06 PM

I agree with frustration that jay expressed a long time ago about jex when he created the lies thread

jex has posted lots of stuff, some of it useful, (some of it disgusting...and he is far from alone in making disgusting posts) but the most useful and interesting stuff he's posted is also the most rare...his own original analysis.

1965. wabbit - 12/4/2008 4:08:45 PM

Message # 1942 wonkers, quantity does not equal quality. Nobody doubts that Jexster could be a real asset to the Mote. It's just a shame he chooses not to be, and I see no reason the majority of us should have to work around him anymore. VK is right, it is not reasonable to be expected to scroll past Jexster all the time.

Now, if you can get AC to give us an 'ignore' feature…

1966. wabbit - 12/4/2008 4:13:28 PM

Message # 1956 I don't have a lot of compassion for Concerned these past few months. His posts were no more out of line than some of Jex's.

Not true. First, I've never seen concerned make from 15-30 posts from seconds to a couple minutes apart, most of which are insults or pointless sarcasm. That is trolling, like it or not, and it is the single most disruptive thing a poster can do. That is exactly what got cazart dumped when we first started. He decided to pitch a hissy fit for being fooled by a simple html trick. CalGal and I spent hours cleaning up after him. Jexster's spew has been tolerated for years because one time out of perhaps fifty, he actually has something to contribute to a discussion. If all he wants to do is post one-liners or links, he has his very own thread for that, but I'm not picking up after him in other threads. I'm tired of seeing a long string of posts that could easily have been combined into one more coherent post. That would show some consideration for the other members of the Mote, something Jexster is proud not to have. He's been spoiled and gotten selfish and rude. As someone pointed out last time we went through this (or maybe the time before, or the time before that, ad nauseum), if he was in your living room, he'd never be invited back.

And I would like to see one post where concerned started in about Jexster's nephew.

Whether or not you like concerned, he can dish it out with the best of them and he takes plenty, too. I don't have any sympathy for anyone who leaves because their wittle feewings got hurt. People like concerned don't leave this forum because they can't take criticism or disagreement, or because their candidate lost an election. They leave because they get frustrated trying to have a discussion around Jexster, who thinks he is being clever. And I take the bulk of the blame, having defended him and let him get away with it for so many years.

Several of us have spent too long trying to get Jexster to understand. He's been asked nicely too many times. It's old and nobody wants to hear it anymore. As arky said, much more eloquently than I could, Jexster's fate is up to him.

1967. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 4:17:54 PM

True, quantity does not equal quality. But not everyone's definition of quality is the same. I don't want to start a war with anyone, but the quality of many posts by many other than Jexter isn't the greatest either. I think we have a pretty good mix of banter, links to videos, cartoons, pictures or articles of interest along with occasional thoughtful analysis. We've never been a site devoted primarily to original analysis or fiction or commentary. Suggesting that we should try to be that is wishful thinking, in my opinion.

1968. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 4:23:13 PM

When I occasionally attempt analysis of a serious topic I usually don't get a response from anyone. When I do it's frequently from Jexter or occasionally thoughtful. Jex's comments are sarcastic or funny and thoughtful's are serious and thoughtful. I'm grateful to both for a response.

1969. wabbit - 12/4/2008 4:29:16 PM

And who should be the arbiter of how much shit we need to take from Jexster to get that one nugget? You?

This isn't a pissing contest. Nobody here, not one person, can compare to Jexster for pure disruption and ignorance. Every post isn't expected to be a gem, but in his case it's 95% coal.

We've never been a site devoted primarily to original analysis or fiction or commentary. Suggesting that we should try to be that is wishful thinking, in my opinion.

Oh really? I guess you weren't around years ago, when the discussion level was pretty high and there was plenty of original fiction, poetry and commentary. Maybe you need to spend a few weeks in the archives. I don't doubt we will never be what we once were, but it's past time we stop putting up with idiocy.

Regardless, the fact that you like Jexster doesn't really make any difference to me. I like him too. So what. He doesn't get to continue to dictate what the rest of us have to tolerate from him. And neither do you. Jexster can choose to piss away in his own thread, and you can interact with him in there all day long. But he continues to spill over everywhere else, and that is going to stop.

1970. wabbit - 12/4/2008 4:37:43 PM

We've never been a site devoted primarily to original analysis or fiction or commentary.

As a quick follow-up, that is exactly what got us kicked out of Slate. They wanted discussion of their articles. We were having discussions about whatever we were interested in and not enough of it was tied back to Slate. That is why the Mote was born.

1971. arkymalarky - 12/4/2008 5:21:01 PM

I'm in total agreement with Wabbit.

1972. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 5:24:54 PM

Sorry, I was around almost from the beginning of the Fray. I used a different moniker at that time. And it's true that the posts at that time were more erudite thanks to pseudoerasmus and others than they are now. The forum has evolved but I don't think its fair or accurate as you seem to be doing to attribute the changes to Jexter. The obsessive nitpicking of Pelle Nilson was a much bigger turnoff. Experience has shown that, for the most part most of the threads operate about as well with or without a host. Your dedication to the Sports thread is an exception. The others seem to do fairly well without a lot of nitpicking over off topic posts. In my opinion dumping Jexter in favor of getting VonKreedon back would be the equivalent of trading a Great Dane for a Chihuahua.

1973. arkymalarky - 12/4/2008 5:42:24 PM

Only when measured in terms of posting quantity.

1974. wabbit - 12/4/2008 6:22:28 PM

I'll take a thoughtful Chihuahua over a Great Dane that thinks it's a good idea to jump through windows and rip the house apart any day of the week.

1975. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 6:30:29 PM

Arky, that's a matter of opinion.

1976. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 6:43:15 PM

Further, although I found Pelle irritating at times I would never have suggested that he stop posting, and I would now welcome him back to this forum as I would concerned with whom I disagreed 99% of the time. I don't think we improve The Mote by banning participants. Nothing wrong with jawboning, however.

1977. wabbit - 12/4/2008 7:22:43 PM

If you still don't understand the point, wonkers, I don't know how much clearer it can be made. Discussing or arguing a point and trolling are simply not the same thing. Jexster can spam and troll his own thread to his heart's content. That was its purpose. I'm betting he will rise to the occasion in that thread. However, no matter how many times he's been asked to discuss and not troll or spam, he has never had the slightest bit of interest in doing anything but exactly what he felt like doing in any other thread.

If you can't admit that Jexster makes post after post after post, very often with to no effect *except* to disrupt, something Pelle *never* did, then I will accept that no matter what evidence is in front of you, you will not see it. This is not about who is agreeable, or who is objectionable, or who is politically correct. This is ALL about respect for this forum and the other participants here.

We may not improve the Mote by being rid of Jexster, but I seriously doubt things could get any worse. How about this — I've been making excuses to keep him on for a very, very long time now. He has only proven me wrong. Let's say we see how the Mote does without him for a couple years. And face it, this isn't capital punishment. Besides, I no longer believe this forum, or any of its participants excepting you, means anything at all to Jexster. I'm willing to be reviled for making an unpopular decision for a few more years. Won't be the first time.

I admire your defense of Jexster, truly — I know that you are friends IRL. But as I've said, I don't give a rat's ass. Feel free to carry on your defense, but I have said all I have to say.

1978. wabbit - 12/4/2008 7:24:11 PM

Calling the typo police…

1979. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/4/2008 8:57:01 PM

When I occasionally attempt analysis of a serious topic I usually don't get a response from anyone.

That's because I usually agree!

1980. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/4/2008 9:00:57 PM

wabb- I don't remember you ever being so infuriated. What, specific post(s) of Jexster's set you off?

1981. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 9:02:22 PM

I have neither admitted nor denied with your characterizations of Jex's activities but rather said that they don't bother me nearly as much as they do you and a couple of others. May I suggest also that his contributions to the political thread in comments, links to serious links such as those of Juan Cole and others, cartoons, etc. have far exceeded those of anyone else. I wonder if you have ever bothered to look at any of them? I don't recall ever seeing a single post from you on the Politics Thread. If someone asked me what your political views are I wouldn't be able to hazard a guess. [It's possible my memory is failing. If so, I apologise.]

And, as I said, I don't think its fair to attribute, as you seem to be doing, the Mote's decline, as you characterize it, to Jexter. I admire your faithful work on the Sports Thread but I am constrained to point out that it does not inspire a great deal of participation compared to the rich variety of comment on the Politics Thread.

1982. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 9:15:24 PM

I will agree in the interest of comity that occasionally when searching for the wheat among the chaff of Jex's quotes, when he's in his manic posting phase, like the proverbial boy digging into a pile of horse shit and commenting, "There's gotta be a pony in here somewhere!"

1983. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 9:19:40 PM

Further, without Jex and the Wizard of Whimsy, the Politics Thread would be dull indeed. They are both sources of lots of solid input and humor for that thread. What is spam to one may be gems to someone else.

1984. arkymalarky - 12/4/2008 10:12:47 PM

" it does not inspire a great deal of participation compared to the rich variety of comment on the Politics Thread"

Wabbit knows every thread in this forum inside and out and has been an integral part of its function from its inception. She consistently monitors all the threads. Your reduction of that role to this statement about the sports thread is beyond comprehension. But it's irrelevant to the outcome of this issue in any case.

Wiz--back in the International thread, for the most part, but I'll let her speak more to the specifics, tho she referred to them early in this discussion.

1985. wonkers2 - 12/4/2008 11:09:10 PM

Arky, I am aware and appreciative of Wabbit's contributions to The Mote. BTW, contrary to her comment, I was an early participant in the Fray using the moniker NarbyNorbert, as I recall. We did have more "heavy duty" serious contributors back then. And I wish we could attract more today. But it doesn't seem to be happening.

1986. vonKreedon - 12/4/2008 11:57:19 PM

Right, it doesn't seem to be happening and the fact that so many of us who used to post in politics and such have implicated Jex's serial spamming as one of the reasons for our loss of interest in participating might lead you to consider that Jex is a large reason for the lack of serious contributors.

1987. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/5/2008 12:43:09 AM

I've learned to ignore most of jexster's many methods of slander and it's likely that I missed yet another of his outrageous insults; but my curiosity is now peaked because wabb's pique peaked. I don't think jexster means to be unkind--though he often is.

I'll check out the thread, but I bet I'll still miss it.

1988. alistairconnor - 12/5/2008 3:43:25 AM

I've stood aside from this discussion because my opinion is probably an outlier, and I wouldn't want people to give it any particular weight.

But here it is anyway : I am of the opinion that Jex has mellowed over the years. I enjoy discussing stuff with him, I find him an invaluable news feed, and I even find nearly all of his humour funny, including the professed antisemitism and racism.

OK, not the India stuff.

On the other hand, I completely agree with Wabbit and I'm 100% behind her.

And the more I think about it, the more I think that his perverse dedication to shitting in his own nest is designed to keep the site small. And that pisses me off, because the only thing that keeps us from having frequent erudite discussions here, as of old, is critical mass.

I have always been a pragmatist with respect to forum moderation. Remember, I'm a European, we don't have free speech over here anyway.

So I volunteer to be Jexster's personal censor. I generally check in several times a day, and I'll just delete stuff that I deem likely to be considered offensive or disruptive.

How about that?

1989. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 8:26:51 AM

That's an absolutely crazy idea. The Mote don't need no stinkin' personal censors.

1990. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 8:42:49 AM

What "India stuff?"

1991. vonKreedon - 12/5/2008 10:11:38 AM

To dispute my own argument, the population of the Mote seems to have been very stable over the last several years and Jex obviously has a constituency that contains a significant percentage of that stable population. Any actions to rein in Jex's noise-to-content ratio is likely to displease and perhaps drive away Jex and his constituency, while any migration back to the Mote by those driven out by Jex is uncertain and likely to be slow. So the current population of the Mote should carefully examine the expected cost-benefit to them in taking action to rein in Jex.

1992. judithathome - 12/5/2008 2:36:05 PM

the only thing that keeps us from having frequent erudite discussions here, as of old, is critical mass.

I disagree...of course critical mass would be good but it will be difficult if not impossible to achieve. I've invited several people over here and their reasons for not staying is the format...as 3i3b mentioned, there is no way to stay current in a discussion, the lack of HTML shortcuts drives everyone mad, and the "no edit" fuction drives peole batty. Plus, no search engine.

All other sites have these fuctions...shortcut HTML, edit, page left where you last posted, search function...and people who come here as new posters feel like it's stepping back in time not to have those offered.

Sorry but that's the feedback I've had from nearly everyone I've steered over here.

1993. judithathome - 12/5/2008 2:37:11 PM

Case in point: no edit fuction..."their reasons for not staying ARE...."

1994. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 3:04:52 PM

Here's one developed by my youngest son which has all the bells and whistles. Participants are automatically emailed when someone replies to a published page or a comment they make in a forum. However, I still prefer the Mote because I get the feeling that I'm among friends rather than a forum with 10 million participants. The Mote needs a few more participants, but not a huge number more. I hope concerned and some of the others will return and that we will see more of VK.

About HubPages

1995. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 3:42:43 PM

Another thought--I occasionally look in on other discussion forums, and most of them contain a much higher crapola ratio than does The Mote. The level of discussion on many of the popular forums is pretty low. Perhaps I haven't seen the best ones. The ones I've seen aren't very impressive. This includes Slate which attracts a lot of participants most of whom sound like not very bright high school students, religious whackjobs and the like. Name calling and "flaming" is common. I haven't noticed any trolling on Slate. But I have seen complaints of it on another forum.

1996. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 4:16:21 PM

HubPages forums

1997. jexster - 12/5/2008 4:36:09 PM

1998. jexster - 12/5/2008 4:37:28 PM

AC and Capn Dirty can kiss Wabbit's ass

1999. jexster - 12/5/2008 4:38:35 PM

Wonkers gets a cut for those Hub Pages...

I say

LET EM ALL FAIL

2000. jexster - 12/5/2008 4:40:04 PM

Any actions to rein in Jex's noise-to-content ratio is likely to displease and perhaps drive away Jex and his constituency,


I'm like a bad case of the clap VK..I ain't goin nowhere..leastwise not voluntarily

2001. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 4:41:02 PM

The Cap'n sez, "No ass kiss'n, but the Cap'n'd drink her bath water." {Where do you get this stuff?)

2002. jexster - 12/5/2008 4:45:05 PM

Here's the deal...

Until Concerned returns (I miss him so!!!) I will lurk and not post until His Appearing on January 20th....


Let's see what happens! Will Wabbit lose 20 pounds of chewed bubblegum from her "fat white ass?"

Nitol

2003. thoughtful - 12/5/2008 5:05:27 PM

so long jex...enjoy the holidays.

I won't miss all of your posts, but I'll miss a lot of them.

2004. wabbit - 12/5/2008 7:25:40 PM

…wonders where Jexster found my photo…

2005. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 9:33:58 PM

Hahaha!
The Cap'n sez, "Jumpin Jehosaphat! That ain't how I imagined yer, Wabbit, dearie! Cancel the moonlight cruise til the Cap'n gets a bigger sloop!"

2006. wonkers2 - 12/5/2008 9:36:37 PM

HubPages forum

2007. Ulgine Barrows - 12/6/2008 4:49:39 AM

2004....wonders why wabbit posted about 1998 in tiny fon.


That gal's ass is a wonderful thing.

2008. Ulgine Barrows - 12/6/2008 4:50:05 AM

font!

2009. Jenerator - 12/7/2008 1:25:27 PM

I left because of Jex. I post here occasionally, and have made the mistake of trying to communicate with him, but am constantly reminded of why I left.

If I was interested in reading listservs, I would subscribe to them - his spamming never ceases.

Furthermore, he is a delusional, hysterical ninny who can't discuss anything that he doesn't agree with. He cannot agree to disagree. He delights in disruption, he enjoys going on tirades.

He's sick, and he's #1 on my list of Most Annoying Posters.

Good riddance, Jexster.

2010. wonkers2 - 12/7/2008 2:24:32 PM

The Mote would be a much less lively place without Jexter as it is without you, Jenerator. I hope to see more of both of you soon. As I said upstream most other forums are full of much more invective, spamming and ignoramuses than the Mote. Jex's antics are more apparent on The Mote than they would be on a forum with more participants. As someone suggested, one answer would be for everyone to participate more and to recruit more people. I am retired and have plenty of time on my hands to post as Jex apparently does.

2011. JJBiener - 12/7/2008 3:09:36 PM

I was going through the posts for the last few days when I saw this by Wombat, "The Obama socialist death squads took Concerned off for reeducation. If that doesn't work...the kugel." I am pretty sure Wombat meant "cudgel", but the image of Concerned being struck with a baked noodle dish was too priceless to pass up.

2012. JJBiener - 12/7/2008 4:43:27 PM

Wonk - "As I said upstream most other forums are full of much more invective, spamming and ignoramuses than the Mote."

I have been to sites as diverse as GOPUSA, Townhall, Huffington Post and Democratic Underground. What you say is generally true, and completely irrelevant. If we want to participate in that kind forum, there is an abundance of choices.

We created the Mote to be different. We had known each other for two years on the Fray and many of us had met and become friends with our fellow Fraygrants in real life. When we created the Mote, we made conscious decisions in its structure to make it different from other forums. To try to keeps the sense of community we felt and didn't want to lose.

As it is, I think a lot of us feel about the Mote as we do about that friend from college who married an obnoxious jerk and now he/she manages to disrupt every get-together with inappropriate behavior.

2013. wonkers2 - 12/7/2008 5:04:07 PM

Are you sure it's "completely" irrelevant? Would you buy "partially" irrelevant? The point is that we all don't agree on what is "inappropriate" behavior and on a forum open to anyone it's hard to control the content of what people post. My impression is that most of us lean toward greater freedom of what to post. However, with freedom should come responsibility and hopefully collegiality and mutual respect. I think we have that for the most part even though the disagreements are expressed with vigor. Sometimes lines of comity are crossed, but mostly with tongue in cheek.

2014. Wombat - 12/7/2008 8:21:10 PM

JJ:

Appealing as your image of the use of a noodle dish as a means of killing someone may be, "kugel" was a euphemism for a bullet to the back of the head.

2015. Ms. No - 12/7/2008 9:33:21 PM

At which point the victim's brains would exit via his nostrils landing on the pavement and strongly resembling a baked noodle dish.

2016. alistairconnor - 12/8/2008 6:22:32 AM

MsNo.

Have I told you lately that you're a sick fuck?

(Smooch.)

2017. alistairconnor - 12/8/2008 6:23:52 AM

Con will be back, just as soon as he can think of something bad to say about Obama.

2018. Wombat - 12/8/2008 9:08:35 AM

He had no trouble doing that during the campaign. I say he is being held at an undisclosed location in the Great Lakes region, and is undergoing aversion therapy a la CLockwork Orange.

2019. alistairconnor - 12/8/2008 9:25:53 AM

During which he will be forced to listen to Bachman Turner Overdrive, formerly his favourite music, but will henceforth fill him with suicidal self-loathing.

2020. Wombat - 12/8/2008 9:38:09 AM

No, speeches by George W. Bush.

2021. judithathome - 12/8/2008 10:07:58 AM

We created the Mote to be different. We had known each other for two years on the Fray and many of us had met and become friends with our fellow Fraygrants in real life. When we created the Mote, we made conscious decisions in its structure to make it different from other forums. To try to keeps the sense of community we felt and didn't want to lose.

Ah yes, the nostalgic "we". Well, I hate to say it but most of "we" took off for greener pastures and not just because of Jex...many followed CalGal in her attempt to create a "library" or a "newspaper" or whatever she decided to call it in her thesis...and others left because they were bored now that the entertainers left the stage. Still others left because it wasn't "busy" enough around here and others because Pelle was dour or yes, because Jex was a pain in the ass.

But SOME of us have been here all along and it rather grates on me, at least, to have people step back in and lecture us on how WE should run the Mote.

JJ, I love ya but where have YOU been all these many months when WE were still trying to keep the Mote afloat? I may not like a play that I am watching and if my disgust with it reaches certain levels, I am free to leave. But I don't wait in the lobby and ream out the people who stayed to watch the thing.

2022. psychprof - 12/8/2008 11:24:21 AM

"But SOME of us have been here all along and it rather grates on me, at least, to have people step back in and lecture us on how WE should run the Mote."

This is why I only lurk here. I think you are absolutely correct.

2023. vonKreedon - 12/8/2008 11:32:19 AM

to displease and perhaps drive away Jex and his constituency, while any migration back to the Mote by those driven out by Jex is uncertain and likely to be slow. So the current population of the Mote should carefully examine the expected cost-benefit to them in taking action to rein in Jex."

2024. vonKreedon - 12/8/2008 11:34:28 AM

Ok, that didn't work somehow.

What I meant to post is that Judith is certainly right that the current population of the Mote has the standing to determine the direction of the Mote. As I said in post 1991, "...the population of the Mote seems to have been very stable over the last several years and Jex obviously has a constituency that contains a significant percentage of that stable population. Any actions to rein in Jex's noise-to-content ratio is likely to displease and perhaps drive away Jex and his constituency, while any migration back to the Mote by those driven out by Jex is uncertain and likely to be slow. So the current population of the Mote should carefully examine the expected cost-benefit to them in taking action to rein in Jex."

2025. wonkers2 - 12/8/2008 11:38:50 AM

Agreed. Also, it would depend on what type of action would be taken. I suspect that Jex will moderate himself a bit. As I do he apparently has quite a bit of time on his hands and an intense interest in and knowledge of politics which he enjoys sharing with us, including links, cartoons, off-the-wall comments, insults, racist remarks, etc. His un-PC remarks should be taken as satirical banter designed to expose racism, not at their face value.

2026. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/8/2008 12:21:54 PM

Good point, Judith.

Wait! Did I miss something? I thought jex's absence was voluntary--was he banned?

2027. alistairconnor - 12/8/2008 12:37:11 PM

No, Wiz : Jex has not been banished, like Napoleon to Elba. He has gone into lurk mode until 20th January. Self-imposed exile. But like Macarthur, he will return.

Prof : This is why I only lurk here. I think you are absolutely correct.

Well, I don't particularly mind receiving lessons from you or jj. I consider you people are still in good standing, and are free to criticise. But there you go : you have a window of opportunity to do more, until 20th January at least...

2028. alistairconnor - 12/9/2008 6:06:38 AM

However, I DO take this criticism to heart :

All other sites have these fuctions...shortcut HTML, edit, page left where you last posted, search function...and people who come here as new posters feel like it's stepping back in time not to have those offered.

OK, time has not stood still these past years... I can't remember whether we're still within the ten-year warranty period or not, but I do recognize that austerity has its limits. A technical revamp is in order. Even nuclear power stations get a major do-over at the decadal milestone.

Maybe if I get really bored during my upcoming holiday in NZ...

More plausibly : my girlfriend will have a few globetrotting missions next year, which will give me an opportunity to stay out of trouble by working on the Mote.

2029. wabbit - 12/9/2008 9:43:44 AM

AC, what about moving to PHP? Cheaper to host than ASP, though that has been changing over the last couple years. I'll email you with something I found, see what you think.

Speaking of which, I owe your gracious friend in NZ a ton of money for the last two years (I did manage to pay him the first year for hosting us). Please apologize and thank him for me.

2030. wabbit - 12/9/2008 10:04:08 AM

Hmmm, I have four email addresses for you. I'm sure at least three of them don't work. So, if you would be so kind as to drop me a line, I'll get one that works for sure!

2031. judithathome - 12/9/2008 11:34:08 AM

AC, I wasn't criticizing YOU in the least, just pointing out a few things. I and the rest of us, I'm certain, appreciate that we even HAVE the Mote still.

Wabbit, if you need some dough, let me know...Keoni is aces at baking! ;-)

2032. wabbit - 12/9/2008 3:10:59 PM

Thank you, JaH. If everyone who orders stuff from Amazon would just use our link, we'd maybe cover our costs. I might set up a PayPal account for the Mote, though. We'll see. But again, thanks for the offer.

2033. thoughtful - 12/9/2008 3:51:31 PM

thanks for the reminder...i keep forgetting about that! My bad!

2034. wonkers2 - 12/9/2008 5:27:38 PM

I didn't notice we have an Amazon link. I'll be sure to use it. My son makes a fair amount from links on various websites he developed. For Example, Two Dimes

2035. wonkers2 - 12/9/2008 5:37:32 PM

About Twodimes.net

2036. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 12/9/2008 8:23:29 PM

If everyone who orders stuff from Amazon would just use our link, we'd maybe cover our costs

YIKES!!! This is news to me--if I knew that little fact, I could have made you a richer woman!!! I order a ton of stuff from them.

2037. alistairconnor - 12/10/2008 6:39:51 AM

... hey wait a minute... jj is still the treasurer here, unless the secret cabal changed that while I wasn't looking. If I remember, he absconded with the funds a few years back...

just joking jj.

Speaking of which, I owe your gracious friend in NZ a ton of money for the last two years

Don't worry about that Wab, I'm planning to visit him in January with several cases of ageing organic French wine, to pay for hosting my e-commerce site, and the Mote too. (I have "liquid assets" in NZ that I need to dispose of!)

2038. wabbit - 12/10/2008 10:01:32 AM

AC, JJ turned the domain name over to me ages ago. He ran out of money before that and paid for it himself for a year or two.

So, I'm the closest thing to a "treasurer" we have. Sorry.

Meanwhile, if you would be so kind as to email me…

Inferno pt.2

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