Here is the first piece of the puzzle:
And the second question:
How did Nero Wolfe spend his free time, atop his NYC brownstone?
If you don't mind, I'll start with a silly one.
Give a word, not a proper noun or name, that has four 'C's.
2. Amerikanvampire - 9/11/1999 6:18:24 PM
Concrescence.
7. ProfEmeritus - 9/11/1999 6:25:22 PM
Concupiscence.
We oughta get Hashke going on this.
25. BGPelaire - 9/11/1999 11:15:26 PM
So the first Quiz is, "Where's the screwy HTML"?
26. ethiopianeunuch - 9/12/1999 12:49:04 AM
Who was Margaret Hamilton?
27. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 1:08:22 AM
I'm not sure if this is the Margaret Hamilton you're thinking of, but one Margaret Hamilton was an actress. She was the Wicked Witch of the West in The Wizard of Oz.
28. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 1:11:45 AM
A short mystery/crime quiz:
1. Which crime writer wrote a lesbian coming of age novel in the 1950s?
2. Which Agatha Christie mystery features a dart dipped in Prussic Acid?
3. Which well-known crime writer was killed on the Titanic?
4. Name the book (and the authors) that Hitchcock's Vertigo was based on?
29. CalGal - 9/12/1999 1:22:38 AM
Snow,
Ooooh, good one.
2. Death in the Clouds?
30. JJBiener - 9/12/1999 1:27:44 AM
SnowOwl - Good quiz, but you've got me stumped.
31. Angel-Five - 9/12/1999 1:29:03 AM
Vic's quiz:(thank god for science training)
carbocyclic
micrococcus
cocarcinogenic
32. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 1:39:58 AM
Cal,
Yes! You stumped me for a while. I know the book by its alternative title Death in the Air, so I had to go and do some research.
33. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 1:42:19 AM
JJ,
Thanks. I'll leave it open for a while in case anyone else wants to try, then I'll provide the answers if nobody gets them.
34. CalGal - 9/12/1999 1:46:15 AM
Oh, good. The quiz isn't over (had to put Spawn to bed).
4. d'Entre les Morts, by Pierre Boileau and argggghhhhh.
In #1--was the book written in the 50s or was it based in the 50s?
35. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 1:59:15 AM
1. Which crime writer wrote a lesbian coming of age novel in the 1950s? -- Lawrence Block
36. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 2:00:48 AM
Actually, Block wrote soft-core pornography, but I believe he called one of his books a "soft-core lesbian coming of age" story.
37. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 2:01:06 AM
Good, Cal. d'Entre les Morts written by Pierre Boileau and Thomas Narcejac.
#1 was written in 1952 under a name different from the one used when the author was written crime fiction.
38. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 2:01:17 AM
Good, Cal. d'Entre les Morts written by Pierre Boileau and Thomas Narcejac.
#1 was written in 1952 under a name different from the one used when the author was writing crime fiction.
39. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 2:03:01 AM
Damn, that will teach me to edit before I post.
I'm not giving that to you, Ace, whether you're right or not. My quiz, so I'm making the rules.
40. butterfieldswire - 9/12/1999 2:48:58 AM
How about the lesbian murderess, Anne Perry.
41. CalGal - 9/12/1999 2:56:11 AM
Yes, but she hadn't written any books at that point, and she still hasn't "come out".
42. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 3:02:44 AM
Wrong, butterfieldswire. Anne Perry was only 14 in 1952 and she didn't begin writing until she was about 20 years of age.
43. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/12/1999 3:26:49 AM
Excuse me for interrupting this fine quiz by SnowOwl (I don't know he remaining answers, anyway), but I wanted to bring you the first installment of the Mystery Motie contest in the new Live Mote.
The previous Mystery Moties can be found on this page.
For Mystery Motie #7, I would like to try the Quiz system again. I will reveal a part of the picture as each question is correctly answered.
In keeping with SnowOwl's theme, I think I'll ask some Mystery Literature questions...
Question #1:
Who resided at Slip F-18, Bahia Mar?
44. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 3:38:09 AM
Travis McGee
45. butterfieldswire - 9/12/1999 3:44:35 AM
This is probably cheating but my "Encyclopedia of Mystery" reports that "Tender Young Blossoms," by Rebecca de Winter was actually penned by tough guy crime novelist Mickey Spillane. (It was later adapted as a Mike Hammer mystery "The Muff Divers" starring Rod Steiger in 1972).
46. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/12/1999 3:45:32 AM
Excellent, SnowOwl.
Here is the first piece of the puzzle:
And the second question:
How did Nero Wolfe spend his free time, atop his NYC brownstone?
47. butterfieldswire - 9/12/1999 3:50:24 AM
Orchids
48. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/12/1999 3:54:54 AM
Correct, butterfield. (Btw, nice to see you posting here!)
The second part of the picture: 
And the third question:
What "detective" was featured in the works of Robert van Gulik?
49. SpenceMirrlees - 9/12/1999 4:06:17 AM
It's PsychProf
50. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/12/1999 4:10:01 AM
Correct, Spence... You have a fine memory for the fringes of photos from my old page.
The full photo: 
Still waiting on an answer to my last trivia question.
51. SpenceMirrlees - 9/12/1999 4:11:17 AM
Grandma Moses?
52. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 4:11:18 AM
Judge Dee?
53. SpenceMirrlees - 9/12/1999 4:11:32 AM
that photo doesn't work for me
54. SpenceMirrlees - 9/12/1999 4:12:34 AM
Basil of Baker Street?
55. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 4:12:43 AM
The photo doesn't work for me either.
56. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/12/1999 4:13:05 AM
I have no idea why that didn't work. 
57. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/12/1999 4:13:52 AM
SnowOwl:
Judge Dee is correct.
58. KuligintheHooligan - 9/12/1999 7:10:11 AM
OK, as for my quiz about a word that has four 'C's, great answers!
BTW, have there ALREADY been posts deleted from this thread? I tried to go back to read the posts and the thing went screwy around #30. At one point I got a blank "list" with nothing in it, but at the top it showed #1-57.
59. pellenilsson - 9/12/1999 12:43:36 PM
Irv
In a few cases one forms a mental image of a person one has never met or seen a photo of. And one wants to keep it.
Please don't publish any photo of Pak Hashke. In fact this should be easy because I doubt there are any in the public domain, but only in a number of well-guarded places around the world.
60. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/12/1999 12:47:27 PM
Pelle:
I have a few in my possession, and some appeared on my old site. He may appear in an upcoming Mystery Motie quiz. And then again, he might not. I don't want to give anything away. But if you do see a photo of our resident polyglot, I guarantee you won't be disappointed.
61. pellenilsson - 9/12/1999 1:11:48 PM
Irv
I have a few in my possession, and some appeared on my old site.
My God. You are in deadly danger. There are those that would do anything to get to those pics. But I guess you know that. You are a brave stout-hearted man indeed.
62. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 2:42:52 PM
SnowOwl:
Lawrence Block probably didn't begin writing until the mid-sixties, anyway.
However, he wrote dozens of soft-core porno books, and several of them were about lesbians. And several, of course, were about the oh-so-sweet first taste of lesbianic love.
63. PsychProf - 9/12/1999 2:46:25 PM
HaHa...Spence identified the blank look w/o hesitation.
64. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 2:49:06 PM
Larry Block has a pretty funny attitude towards writing. He types on a typewriter. One time, he misnumbered his pages and skipped page 22, writing directly from page 21 to 23. Rather than retyping the pages, he just checked what word page 21 ended with, and what word page 23 began with, and wrote a new page which began with a sentence which concluded the sentence begun on 21 and ended with a sentence that began the sentence which concluded on 23. The rest was just padding, just made up for the express purpose of filling in the new "Page 22."
He didn't care. He was being paid by the word, anyway.
Now that's craftsmanship.
65. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 3:10:02 PM
Detective Trivia:
1) Who is Marlowe's DA "friend"? (Sort of a friend, you understand. He occasionally butts heads with him, as he does with everybody.)
2) What did Marlowe do before he was a private detective?
3) Why was he fired?
4) Who is Larry Block's burglar-detective?
5) What ficticious county was Presumed Innocent (and most of Scott Turow's other mysteries) set in?
6) What's Columbo's first name? BONUS: In several episodes he was asked what his first name is. He gives what flip answer?
7) In the movie Dr. No (yes, James Bond stories are a kind of detective fiction), "the British Secret Service" is called by what ficticious name? (Hint: He really works for MI-6, but British censors refused to allow the movie to use that name, since it was still supposedly a "secret.")
8) What pulp detective magazine did both Hammett and Chandler pen their first stories for?
9) Who is credited as the author of the mysteries featuring the detective Ellery Queen?
10) Who shot JR?
66. CalGal - 9/12/1999 3:17:21 PM
Snowowl,
Coincidentally, I was watching/listening to A Night To Remember, the meticulously researched and presented British movie on the Titanic sinking, made in 1958.
As I am wont to do, I checked out the IMD. In the trivia section, it mentioned that that the man quietly reading a book in the first class lounge was William Thomas Stead, a respected editor and writer.
I thought, Hmm. Maybe that's who Snowowl meant. Researched WT Stead, and it didn't seem right--although he seems an interesting fellow.
cont'd.
67. PsychProf - 9/12/1999 3:19:59 PM
Ace...5. Westchester?
68. CalGal - 9/12/1999 3:21:22 PM
But when I searched on Alta Vista for Stead mentions, I found the following link
Jacques Futtrell:
...
"Jacques Futrelle was born in Pike County, Georgia, as the descendant of French Huguenots. He was educated in public and private schools. Futrelle worked as a young man on a newspaper and a theatrical manager and joined then the staff of the Boston American, which published several of his short stories. His best known character was Professor Augustus S.F.X. Van Dusen, the Thinking Machine, who was small, nearsighted, had a huge head but possessed superior mental powers. As an assistant he had clever newspaper reporter Hutchinson Hatch - a model of team work copied later in many mystery writers, among them Rex Stout in his books about Archie Goodwin and Nero Wolfe.
Van Dusen's adventures appeared in book from first time in the novel THE CHASE OF THE GOLDEN PLATE (1906), where the Professor was still a minor character. This was followed short story collection THE THINKING MACHINE (1907). Its lead story, "The Problem of Cell 13", have gained status as the most popular tale in mystery literature, with the exeption of certain adventures of Sherlock Holmes. The story involves no murder, no crime at all but centers on the theme that 'mind is the master of all things': professor Van Dusen thinks this time himself out of a maximum-security prison cell.
In 1912 Futrelle was returning with his wife to New York on the Titanic in the first class. After the ship had collided with the iceberg she was escorted by her husband to the lifeboat 9, which was filled almost to capasity. When Mrs Futrelle hesitated an officer forced her into the boat, and she survived the disaster. Jacques Futrelle and several of his stories, which he had written during his stay in England, went down with the ship. "
I just love random discoveries like this.
69. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 3:21:30 PM
Psych:
No. FICTICIOUS county.
70. CalGal - 9/12/1999 3:23:33 PM
And of course, what I particularly like is that there is no mention of Stead in that description. Later on the page, it mentions other literary folks who perished in the Titanic and lo! there is Stead.
71. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 3:23:39 PM
Re: Number 5
I assume it's a ficticious county, since a state is never identified (though it seems to be Illinois or Wisconsin or someplace like that) and I've never heard of it outside of his books.
72. CalGal - 9/12/1999 3:25:15 PM
Ace,
5--Kindle County.
73. CalGal - 9/12/1999 3:28:06 PM
Who Shot JR--It was Mary Crosby; I can see her in my mind's eye when she was accused. But I can't remember anything else because that was the only Dallas episode I watched. Her name on the show began with a K.
74. CalGal - 9/12/1999 3:30:27 PM
9--Ellery Queen is actually two writers; they are cousins. Can't remember their names for sure. Frederick Dannay sounds familiar, but it also sounds like Robert Donat in The 39 Steps.
75. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 3:30:33 PM
Cal:
Yes to both, but I'm looking for the character's name on Dallas. Her first name does begin with a K. Her last name, I believe, begins with an S.
76. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 3:31:14 PM
Cal:
Yes, it was two cousins, but who is the CREDITED writer of the Ellery Queen mysteries?
77. Ace of Spades - 9/12/1999 3:31:53 PM
That is, they both wrote under a single pseudonym. I'm not looking for their reall names, although that "Dannay" name sounds right.
78. CalGal - 9/12/1999 3:38:14 PM
Kristin? Karla? Klepto?
79. SnowOwl - 9/12/1999 3:43:44 PM
Cal,
Yes to Futrelle!
The answer to #1 is Patricia Highsmith, who wrote The Price of Salt under the pseudonym Claire Morgan. Apparently this book was not particularly well received in the US, but was highly acclaimed in Europe where it was entitled Carol.
Ace, thanks for the info about Block. I love that sort of useless trivia, and the story of him losing the page is great.
80. SnowOwl - 9/13/1999 1:35:00 AM
I've resisted answering any of Ace's questions, but since they're unanswered I'll try a couple.
1. Taggart Wilde
2. He was an investigator in the DA's office.
3. He was insubordinate.
81. Ace of Spades - 9/13/1999 1:38:10 AM
1. Taggart Wilde
Not the one I'm thinking of. The name sounds sort of familiar, but I'm talking about his friend in The Big Sleep.
Perhaps the man I'm talking about wasn't actually a DA, but maybe just an investigator with the DA's office.
Anyway, the other two are correct.
82. SnowOwl - 9/13/1999 1:40:33 AM
Oh, okay, you mean Bernie Ohls, the Chief Investigator.
83. Ace of Spades - 9/13/1999 1:41:33 AM
Yeah. That's who I meant.
84. CalGal - 9/13/1999 2:17:56 AM
Hey, I forgot about this quiz.
I think Columbo's first name is Phillip.
Hammett first published in Black Mask magazine.
I can't remember the name the EQ books were published under, although I should.
85. Ace of Spades - 9/13/1999 2:18:43 AM
I think Columbo's first name is Phillip.
Nope.
86. Ace of Spades - 9/13/1999 2:18:58 AM
Yes to Black Mask.
87. SnowOwl - 9/13/1999 2:32:36 AM
How did I miss this one?
4. Bernie Rhodenbarr
88. Ace of Spades - 9/13/1999 2:38:29 AM
Yes
89. KuligintheHooligan - 9/13/1999 9:01:14 AM
A very simple quiz.
What song has the lyrics:
"Wait a minute mister I didn't even kiss her"
I just heard the song today.
90. God - 9/13/1999 11:11:40 AM
That would be Give me 3 Steps
91. KuligintheHooligan - 9/13/1999 11:36:37 AM
Like I said, pretty easy!
92. Adrianne - 9/13/1999 11:54:40 AM
Pellenilsson
Hashke is a hottie.
Seriously, he's a babe.
93. Lepus E Ursa - 9/13/1999 12:17:34 PM
Shouldn't all omniscient beings be barred from the Quiz Thread?
94. God - 9/13/1999 12:41:09 PM
Nope. CalGal likes this thread.
95. KuligintheHooligan - 9/13/1999 1:27:11 PM
OK, another silly quiz.
What is the largest city in the USA that is not on a navigable river?
And don't look in "Home and Garden" because the answer is there.
96. Ace of Spades - 9/13/1999 2:42:28 PM
Answers to my quiz:
The credited author of the Ellery Queen stories is, in fact, "Ellery Queen."
Columbo does not have a first name, or at least his name has never been revealed. In one episode, a woman asked him what his name was. He said, "Columbo." She said, "No, what's your first name?" He said: "Lieutennant."
In Doctor No, M notes that James Bond works for "MI-7." If you watch M's mouth carefully, you'll note that M actually says "MI-6," but "MI-7" is dubbed over that.
Kristin Sheppard killed JR.
97. pellenilsson - 9/14/1999 6:57:16 AM
Insult Quiz!
1. He is racist, he's homophobic, he's xenophobic and he's a sexist. He's the perfect Republican candidate.
The target is prety obvious even for me, and I guess many could have said it. But who did?
2. Any political party that can't cough up anything better than a trecherous brain-damaged old vulture like Hubert Humphrey deserves every beating it gets. They don't hardly make 'em like Hubert any more - but just to be on the safe side, he should be castrated anyway.
Who said that?
3. He sits there in senile dementia with a gangrene heart and rotting brain, grimacing at every reform, chattering impotently at all things that are decent, frothing, fuming, violently gibbering, going down to his grave in snarling infamy .. disgraceful, depraved ... and putrescent.
Said by Hiram Johnson about ??
4. The ineffable dunce has nothing to say and says it with a liberal embellishment of bad delivery, embroidering it with reasonless vulgarities of attitude, gesture and attire. There never was an impostor so hateful, a blockhead so stupid, a crank so variously and offensively daft. He makes me tired.
Said by Ambrose Bierce about ??. Hint: England, 1880's
98. Adrianne - 9/14/1999 8:47:49 AM
3) has to be Strom Thurmond.
99. pellenilsson - 9/14/1999 9:03:27 AM
No to 3)
100. OhioSTOPAS - 9/14/1999 9:09:55 AM
2 - Hunter Thompson?
101. pellenilsson - 9/14/1999 9:29:52 AM
Hi Ohio, Nice to see your moniker again. Yes, right 2) is Hunter Thompson.
102. pellenilsson - 9/14/1999 9:31:24 AM
I'll provide a couple of clues later (if needed) when there are more people around.
103. JonesAtLaw - 9/14/1999 10:17:08 AM
Answer to No 95- Los Angeles.
104. JonesAtLaw - 9/14/1999 10:19:39 AM
No. 4- Bierce on Gladstone?
105. KuligintheHooligan - 9/14/1999 10:31:34 AM
Here's a great IQ test online!
Plan on spending about a half hour on it though.
106. pellenilsson - 9/14/1999 10:37:04 AM
Jones
No. But I have a good one on Gladstone by Disraeli:
A sophistical rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself.
I once used that one in the old place as an apt desription of ....
107. pellenilsson - 9/14/1999 10:37:29 AM
... description ..
108. pellenilsson - 9/14/1999 11:46:44 AM
I have to log out now.
The questions for the Insult Quiz is in #97.
Ohio nailed Hunter Thompson for 2)
3) is not Strom Thurmond.
Hint for four: think gay.
109. ElliottRW - 9/14/1999 2:13:34 PM
Good Quote Quiz
A. I know only that what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after.
B. The true rule in determining to embrace or reject anything is not whether it have any evil in it, but whether it have more of evil than of good. There are few things wholly evil or wholly good.
C. The doing evil to avoid an evil cannot be good.
D. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
E. The lives of the best of us are spent in choosing between evils.
F. To overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil.
G. The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance.
H. Every evil in the bud is easily crushed: as it grows older, it becomes stronger.
I. To be doing good deeds is man's most glorious task.
J. The only way to compel men to speak good of us is to do it.
K. Goodness is the only investment that never fails.
Answers in 30 minutes.
110. ScottLoar - 9/14/1999 2:38:22 PM
The European IQ Test notes you should spend 20 minutes in answering, not 30. Half again as much as the alloted time would, to me at least, skew the results.
111. ElliottRW - 9/14/1999 2:42:44 PM
Good Quote Quiz
As promised, here are the answers (somewhat mixed up).
1. Cicero (B.C. 106-43)
2. Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
3. Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961)
4. Henry David Thoreau
5. Junius (1740-1818)
6. Lincoln (1809-1865)
7. Mohammed (570-632 A.D.)
8. Samuel Coleridge (1772-1834)
9. Sophocles (B.C. 495-406)
10. Socrates (B.C.469-399)
11. Voltaire
(source: www.wisdom.com)
112. ranheim - 9/14/1999 7:42:16 PM
I know nothing about literature; many doctors are like that.
I know one saying(?) of Mark Twain's = something to the effect that "Congress is the only native american criminal class". What kind of a book would narrow down my choices as to where that quote comes from?
113. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:04:08 AM
Ridiculously pointless and obscure 20th century lit quiz
1)What American novel features both Dwayne Hoover and Kilgore Trout, and what city do they have their confrontation in?
2) How does Robert Jordan die?
3) In The Golden Notebook, what is the significance of the title?
4) Who gives birth to Ghanima and Leto?
5) The main characters are Hagbard Celine, George Dorn, Saul Goodman, the American Medical Association, John Dillinger, Stella Maris, the woman named Mavis, Robert Putney Drake, three heads of state, Fission Chips, a dolphin named Howard, a monstrous computer named FUCKUP and various other interesting sorts. The settings are a golden submarine, in Boston, in Atlantis, at Lake Totemkopf, in a hidden city, and in Mad Dog Texas, among other places. In the story we learn who killed Kennedy, the secret of the Masons, and what a Fnord is.
Name the title of the books.
6) What does 'yrch' mean in Elvish?
7)Who is the American gentleman who acquires the estate where Stevens works in The Remains of the Day?
8)Why does the main character in Black Dogs refer to himself as a 'cuckoo'?
9) Who is Raoul Duke?
10) What does 'brenschluss' mean?
11)What happens to Fahmy at the end of Palace Walk?
12)Who has the fateful encounter with the Orangedrink Lemondrink Man?
13) Who is Milo Minderbinder?
14)What is the shape of Kerewhin Holmes' house?
15) Where is the primary setting of Love in the Time of Cholera?
16) What is the real birthplace of Devin D'Asoli?
17)In his epiphany while watching his friends swim, what does Stephen Dedalus see in the sky?
18) What was the Wildfire Project?
114. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:04:40 AM
Be patient for answers.
115. pellenilsson - 9/15/1999 4:09:57 AM
Milo Minderbinder is the mess NCO in Catch 22 who creates a business empire where "everybody has a share".
116. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:11:27 AM
Yes.
117. CalGal - 9/15/1999 4:43:47 AM
4) Maud'dib
118. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:44:34 AM
Nope. Muad'dib is a guy.
119. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:45:58 AM
You're in the right relationship, tho.
120. CalGal - 9/15/1999 5:01:08 AM
Ack. Forgot to post this; I'm doing some other stuff.
1) Breakfast of Champions, but having not read the book I don't know what city the confrontation takes place. The salesman is from the midwest, I remember. Isn't there a movie coming out with Willis? I'm not a Vonnegut reader.
2) I'm blanking on this--all I can think of is Wheel of Time Jordan. Did he die?
6) Orcs, I think. Although I'm not much of a Elvish speaker.
9) Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas Raoul Duke?
10) Oh, lord. I read it in Gravity's Rainbow. Something to do with rockets.
15) South America, somewhere, I think.
121. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 5:04:36 AM
1) -- half right, though you will have to explain to me how you knew that if you didn't read the book.
2) wrong Jordan
6) right
9) yes, that duke
122. CalGal - 9/15/1999 5:07:07 AM
Ha. I translated that as parent. I'm not a Dune freak. I forget the mother, I only skimmed the book. I'm amazed I remember Muad'dib.
123. CalGal - 9/15/1999 5:11:04 AM
It's quite easy to know the names of literary characters, whether you've read the book or not. In this case, as I said, the movie's coming out soon to boot. I'm not sure what specifically jogged the memory, although I'm pretty sure it was the Willis association. And, actually, I don't have to explain anything at all.
Same with the Dune answer, although in that case I did read it, but only halfheartedly. I never liked any Herbert book I read.
124. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 5:17:27 AM
10: The end of rocket's ascent when fuel is cut-off and it gives way to gravity. Alternately explained as a "ritual of love", the rocket's "feminine counterpart", and, strangely, "frozen, timeless architecture". There are Harry Crosby allusions as well, for completists.
125. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 5:18:03 AM
And that "Breakfast of Champions" movie is the worst thing I've seen since "U-Turn", btw.
126. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 5:18:27 AM
....
You know, I put that one in there, just for you.
127. CalGal - 9/15/1999 5:22:15 AM
The movie is out? I hadn't heard that. Last I heard, its release was moved up to take advantage of the Sixth Sense buzz.
128. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 5:23:47 AM
A5: natch
CalGal:
saw the US premiere at this year's MyTown Festival.
129. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 5:24:04 AM
I don't think it's something that could go to the big screen all that well.
130. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 5:25:17 AM
It's not even fair to call it one big inside joke. One big handshake, is more like it.
131. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 5:27:11 AM
But, then, Vonnegut's always been the poor-man's Brautigan (reference point: Brautigan's the rich man's Tom Robbins). What that exactly sez, I'm not exactly sure.
132. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 7:14:43 AM
So far we have three and one half easy answers (Cal and Pelle) and one reasonably tough answer (though not to him -- Kurt).
Now we separate the Dickens from the chickens.
133. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 7:18:53 AM
Putting in a Pynchon reference when Kurt is about is sort of like tossing in a Dead Kennedys reference when AC's in-house -- but I have to take care of my friends. Come on, come on, you'll have hours until I return. Step up and take a few cracks. I expect this crowd should have all the answers by noon, even without searches and other forms of cheating.
134. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 7:20:57 AM
The quiz can be found at post number 113.
135. DocBrown - 9/15/1999 9:32:20 AM
18) The purpose of the Wildfire Project was to contain and analyze extra-terrestrial microscopic organisms without endangering the rest of the Earth. This was from Michael Crichton's The Andromeda Strain.
136. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 1:49:48 PM
18 is correct.
137. coralreef - 9/15/1999 1:53:05 PM
138. DocBrown - 9/15/1999 2:44:23 PM
7) I feel like it's cheating, since I only saw the movie, but the American in Remains of the Day was Congressman Lewis. I don't know his first name, but he was played by Christopher Reeve. Due to my fascination for everything from that era, I absolutely loved Remains of the Day. I've always wondered about the lives of household servants, especially in the 1920s and 1930s.
139. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 3:21:58 PM
3. The protagonist keeps five notebooks of writings...the Golden Notebook is the fifth, which attempts to tie together the themes of the others (black for racial experience, red for political experience, etc.)
4. "Illuminatus"
12. Estah
13. Jon Voight
15. the Caribbean coast of an unnamed South American country
17. I should know that one. I really should.
140. stostosto - 9/15/1999 3:52:55 PM
L.A.
Dayton
Cleveland
Baltimore
Louisiana
Birmingham
Capetown
Miami
What do these locations have in common?
141. JonesAtLaw - 9/15/1999 4:03:06 PM
Places I've never lived?
142. JonesAtLaw - 9/15/1999 4:05:47 PM
Racial riots?
143. Dantheman - 9/15/1999 4:06:32 PM
They all have a's in their names (and all but Louisiana only 1)?
144. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:09:28 PM
Kurt: 3, 4, 12 (estha) and 15 are right.
145. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 4:10:23 PM
14's "technically" correct as well, considering Nichols' film and Heller's novel are distinctly separate entities.
Credit where credit's due, after all.
146. SnowOwl - 9/15/1999 4:10:46 PM
Angel
14. She lives in a tower
147. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:12:04 PM
SnowOwl: Correct.
148. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 4:12:30 PM
145:
Lit quiz. Lit.
149. stostosto - 9/15/1999 4:57:41 PM
Jones and Dan
Thank you for playing.
I can give a hint, if you like.
It's to something to do with music.
150. stostosto - 9/15/1999 4:59:02 PM
JonesAtLaw
Have there been racial riots in Dayton?
151. JonesAtLaw - 9/15/1999 5:02:05 PM
Settings of Randy Newman songs?
152. ElliottRW - 9/15/1999 5:06:04 PM
stostosto:
Places where at least 25% of the population is drunk?
153. stostosto - 9/15/1999 5:07:13 PM
JonesAtLaw:
Bingo!
154. JonesAtLaw - 9/15/1999 5:08:24 PM
I am not sure about Capetown or Miami, but the rest are in Newman songs.
155. JonesAtLaw - 9/15/1999 5:09:34 PM
Sto3- good one, would have never got it without the hint.
156. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 5:09:48 PM
NOTE FROM YOUR BELOVED QUIZ CO-HOST, ACE OF SPADES
Please, good people: Cut and paste the QUESTION when you provide the answer. THis allows latecomers to the quiz to read the answer with the question, rather than flipping back and forth between pages. And it allows people to quickly assess which questions have been answered and which haven't.
I realize this takes time. But no more time than writing out "6)."
Anyone who does not do this in the future will be deleted.
Just kidding.
But it's just as fast as writing out "6)" and is a more logical way to do it. Just one guy's opinion.
157. stostosto - 9/15/1999 5:13:00 PM
JonesAtLaw
Both "Christmas in Capetown" and "Miami" appear on the Trouble In Paradise album. As does "I Love L.A."
158. cmboyce - 9/15/1999 8:05:24 PM
#2: Robert Jordan dies (at the end of For Whom the Bell Tolls) blowing up the bridge.
159. Angel-Five - 9/15/1999 9:08:50 PM
CMB: Correct.
160. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:34:06 PM
The Slanguage Quiz:
Identify the standard English word for each set of slang words.
1. Gravy, Jack, Long Green, Kale, Lettuce, Scrilla, Mazuma, Scratch, Shekel, Shinplasters, Spondulic, Wampum
2. Cheeba, Dope, Spliff
3. Foxed, Wet, Snuffy, Tight, Bent, Sozzled, Shot
4. Civvies, Streets, Togs, Threads, Duds
5. Chick, Betty, Bird, Skirt
6. Skell, Grater, Squeegee Kid, Squatter
7. Kick it, Chill, Hang
161. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 9:36:07 PM
1. currency
2. marijuana
3. inebriated
4. apparel
5. dick-holster
6. criminal
7. relax
162. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:36:54 PM
1. Gravy, Jack, Long Green, Kale, Lettuce, Scrilla, Mazuma, Scratch, Shekel, Shinplasters, Spondulic, Wampum -- money
2. Cheeba, Dope, Spliff -- marijuana
3. Foxed, Wet, Snuffy, Tight, Bent, Sozzled, Shot -- drunk
4. Civvies, Streets, Togs, Threads, Duds -- clothing
5. Chick, Betty, Bird, Skirt -- woman
6. Skell, Grater, Squeegee Kid, Squatter --urchin, "bum," homeless person
7. Kick it, Chill, Hang -- hmmmmm... tough one. No real "standard word." Relax?
163. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 9:37:30 PM
1. Profit
2. Narcotics
3. Drunk
4. Clothes
5. Female
6. Mendicant
7. Relax
164. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:37:49 PM
Not really a very hard quiz, Dan.
165. SnowOwl - 9/15/1999 9:38:19 PM
1. money
3. drunk
4. clothes
5. woman
7. relax
166. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 9:39:27 PM
Or, alternately:
1. Vigorish
2. Snort
3. Plastered
4. Togs
5. Sheila
6. Bum
7. ?
167. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:40:37 PM
Those words don't mean "profit" or "vigorish." They mean money.
168. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:40:53 PM
Awright. Too friggin' easy. You both nailed it. (Although I'd take Kurt to task on his response of "criminal" to Skell, Grater, Squeegee Kid, Squatter. Republican by any chance, there Mr. Mondaugen ?)
169. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 9:42:54 PM
Hardly, Dan, but in the supposedly enlightened burgh in which I live a law was recently passed which makes sitting on the sidewalk resultable in incarceration, so...
170. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 9:42:58 PM
Well, Ace, you knew that better than I.
171. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:44:05 PM
"Kick it" really doesn't mean the same as "chill" or "hang," either. When you "kick it," you're going to have some active fun, like partying. When you hang, you're sitting around watching the Cinemax tittie movies.
172. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:44:19 PM
Nicely done, one and all. And ScottLoar's "Mendicant" for Skell, Grater, Squeegee Kid, Squatter wins bonus points for eloquence.
173. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:46:33 PM
"Mendicant" may be eloquent, but it's not the right word, whereas "urchin" is closest (minus the youthful connotation).
Main Entry: men·di·cant
Pronunciation: 'men-di-k&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin mendicant-, mendicans, present participle of mendicare to beg, from mendicus beggar -- more at AMEND
Date: 14th century
1 : BEGGAR 1
2 often capitalized : a member of a religious order (as the Franciscans) combining monastic life and outside religious activity and originally owning neither personal nor community property : FRIAR
- mendicant adjective
Neither skells or squatters are necessarily beggars. They're just dregs.
174. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:47:37 PM
Only kidding, Kurt. You don't happen to live in Chicago by any chance, do you? Mayor Daley was very upset with the Supreme Court a few months back for their defiance and poor judgment when ruling on a law just like the one you reference.
175. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 9:48:31 PM
jeez, Ace, I squatted in a very fancy 5 bedroom house with two other people for a period of time several years ago. Power, heat, telephone, all the bourgois comforts of home. Hardly 'dreggy'.
And I have no idea what a skell is, though they say it on the cop shows an awful lot.
176. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 9:49:04 PM
Dan:
Seattle. Things like that get by all the time here and nobody seems to notice.
177. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:49:38 PM
"skell" just means a dirtbag, a street-zombie.
178. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:49:42 PM
Jesus, Ace. You're quite the Militant Quiz Guy. Extra special bonus points for you!
179. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:50:51 PM
Dan:
Damn straight.
This is MY House you're in now, skell.
180. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:51:21 PM
Hmm. Funny. I thought Seattle was a hotbed of liberalism.
181. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:52:08 PM
Maybe just libertinism.
182. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 9:52:40 PM
Dan, retract the bonus points from Ace and let him argue with his profile.
183. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:52:57 PM
"Dick holster" was pretty funny.
184. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 9:53:54 PM
They like to make it look that way. And, to a degree, Seattle City Limits, and King County in general are fairly liberal (excepting the scabrous reprobates at the Port Authority). The surrounding areas, though, are kind of frightening....you can hear the mournful banjos of Duvall wafting in on the breeze on cool Summer nights.
185. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 9:54:45 PM
Ace:
I thought about typing "fault-line" for you, but thought that might be too WestCoast.
186. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:55:32 PM
Pop quiz (NO CONSULTING A DICTIONARY):
What does "cunny" mean, properly, and what's its slang meaning?
187. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 9:55:53 PM
As per ScottLoar's request, all extra special bonus points heretofore awarded to Ace are hereby rescinded, retracted, removed, and otherwise generally taken away in a ramdom, casual sort of way.
188. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:56:35 PM
Hmmmm... I might just delete Dan's post.
189. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 9:57:10 PM
Cunny as in vagina, slang for a cunt, ergo low woman or as regarded by a lower man?
190. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 9:58:10 PM
That's the slang. What was its proper meaning before that? This is a toughie.
191. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 9:59:07 PM
A rabbit? More properly, a hare?
192. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 10:00:30 PM
Ummmmm... yeah. I guess. I thought a "cunny" was a female rabbit. Is that what "hare" means? I always thought a hare was different kind of rabbit.
193. KurtMondaugen - 9/15/1999 10:02:17 PM
Actually, I've always taken "cunny" (the slang definition) to be more aligned with, um, er, 'effluvium', rather than the pudenda proper.
I have no idea what it's original meaning was/is. Some kind of brewing process?
194. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 10:02:24 PM
A rabbit is a rabbit, a hare is a hare; they're not the same, as jugged hare needs a hare, a rabbit won't do.
Still, allowing for the fudge factor I guess I got it?
195. Ace of Spades - 9/15/1999 10:03:47 PM
Yeah, with the "fudge factor," sure. You got "rabbit," at least.
What are male rabbits called? Just rabbits, or bucks or something?
196. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 10:04:47 PM
Gosh. I've never been deleted before. I wonder if it feels like a toe licking.
197. ScottLoar - 9/15/1999 10:04:54 PM
My computer is too slow as are you'uns responses.
That's all folks.
198. DanDillon - 9/15/1999 10:05:55 PM
Male rabbit = robbit
199. RickNelson - 9/15/1999 10:10:24 PM
Name the island and the queen whose reign lasted from 1891-1893? The queen lived from 1838-1917.
200. SnowOwl - 9/16/1999 2:11:48 AM
Rick
Queen Lilliuokalani of Hawaii
201. SnowOwl - 9/16/1999 2:12:39 AM
I don't think I've spelled that properly, but it's the best I can do.
202. Ace of Spades - 9/16/1999 2:15:45 AM
But which Queen Lilliuokalani?
203. CalGal - 9/16/1999 2:37:57 AM
Chick Dick Quiz:
204. SnowOwl - 9/16/1999 2:59:38 AM
5. (a) They're all plays on song titles. (b) ?
6. Victoria Iphigenia. My first name.
205. SnowOwl - 9/16/1999 3:00:10 AM
1. Henry Pitts
206. CalGal - 9/16/1999 3:01:13 AM
Snow has nabbed 1, 5a, and 6a and b.
207. pellenilsson - 9/16/1999 5:11:34 AM
My Insult Quiz elicited exactly two responses which must be some kind of record I guess. On the other hand, perhaps many people got caught up in the real, live action we have seen for the last few days. Anyhow, here are the answers:
1. He is racist, he's homophobic, he's xenophobic and he's a
sexist. He's the perfect Republican candidate.
Harry Briggs about Pat Buchanan.
2. Any political party that can't cough up anything better than a
trecherous brain-damaged old vulture like Hubert Humphrey
deserves every beating it gets. They don't hardly make 'em like
Hubert any more - but just to be on the safe side, he should be
castrated anyway.
Hunter S. Thompson and OhioSTOPAS nailed it.
3. He sits there in senile dementia with a gangrene heart and
rotting brain, grimacing at every reform, chattering impotently
at all things that are decent, frothing, fuming, violently
gibbering, going down to his grave in snarling infamy ..
disgraceful, depraved ... and putrescent.
Hiram Johnson about Harrison Grey Otis
4. The ineffable dunce has nothing to say and says it with a
liberal embellishment of bad delivery, embroidering it with
reasonless vulgarities of attitude, gesture and attire. There never
was an impostor so hateful, a blockhead so stupid, a crank so
variously and offensively daft. He makes me tired.
Ambrose Bierce about Oscar Wilde
208. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/16/1999 9:15:40 AM
2.What is Carlotta Carlyle's other occupation?
Taxi driver.
I notice few, if any, people are using the excellent suggestion of my esteemed co-host to include the question when answering.
209. cmboyce - 9/16/1999 9:47:38 AM
"Cunny" refers, I feel certain, to the common attribute of rabbit and pudenda, fur. (It also may be that, originally, the rodent referred to was the coney, a small rabbit-like creature.)
210. CalGal - 9/16/1999 12:45:34 PM
Irv nabbed #2.
211. KuligintheHooligan - 9/16/1999 2:34:40 PM
OK, another silly quiz.
Name the three states whose capital city's name begins with the same letter as the state.
There used to be four states, but one state changed its capital. Name that fourth state as well and get a bonus!
212. OhioSTOPAS - 9/16/1999 2:48:03 PM
Hawaii and Honolulu . . .
213. OhioSTOPAS - 9/16/1999 2:49:13 PM
Indiana and Indianapolis . . .
214. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 2:49:37 PM
Oklahoma and Oklahoma City, Indiana and Indianapolis, Hawaii and Honolulu, and Pennsylvania and Philadelphia for the change.
215. KuligintheHooligan - 9/16/1999 2:50:07 PM
Great! Just two more to go Ohio!
216. OhioSTOPAS - 9/16/1999 2:50:41 PM
Oklahoma and Oklahoma City.
217. KuligintheHooligan - 9/16/1999 2:51:09 PM
JonesAtLaw,
The three are correct, but as to the fourth, was Philly the capital of PA at some point? Then that one is in addition to the one I was thinking about.
218. OhioSTOPAS - 9/16/1999 2:51:18 PM
I'll guess Wheeling, West Virginia for the bonus.
219. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 2:53:42 PM
Kuligan- It may not have been a state capitol, so skip Penn. It was a colonial capital, I think.
220. KuligintheHooligan - 9/16/1999 2:55:05 PM
OK, so the "fourth" state remains unguessed. It wasn't WV Ohio.
221. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 2:56:56 PM
I think there's more- Dover, Deleware, or is the capitol Wilimington?
222. OhioSTOPAS - 9/16/1999 2:59:03 PM
That's right: Dover is the capital of Delaware. Jones busts the quizmaster!
223. KuligintheHooligan - 9/16/1999 3:02:02 PM
Wait a minute, wait a minute!! I blew the quiz. There is a fourth, and the FIFTH one was changed at some point.
Dover is correct, and I forgot that one!
So the one that changed is still hanging. Unless of course like a dolt I am wrong about it!!
224. KuligintheHooligan - 9/16/1999 3:07:48 PM
Oh, I'll just give the answer I was thinking about since now I am wondering if I am wrong anyway!
Wasn't Anchorage the capital of Alaska before they changed it to Juneau?
225. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 4:12:19 PM
Famous persons reputed to have suffered from mental illness:
1. He played polo as a young Subaltern of Horse in India, and participated in the last cavalry charge of the British Empire.
2. Under orders to appear "with belt and gloves" this West Point Cadet appeared on the parade ground with nothing but belt and gloves on.
3. As an attorney, he is reputed to have won a criminal trial by introducing evidence from the Farmer's Almanac.
226. SnowOwl - 9/16/1999 4:34:45 PM
1. He played polo as a young Subaltern of Horse in India, and
participated in the last cavalry charge of the British Empire.
Winston Churchill
3. As an attorney, he is reputed to have won a criminal trial by
introducing evidence from the Farmer's Almanac.
Abraham Lincoln
227. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 4:38:19 PM
SnowOwl- Very good, right on 1 and 3.
228. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:33:51 PM
And, what was that famous last cavalry charge of the British Empire? And what year? Churchill himself recounted that as he had little confidence in his ability in sabre he relied on pistol and directed his mount between the horsemen opposite. He survived, somewhat to his astonishment.
229. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:34:41 PM
2.William Armstrong Custer?
230. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 5:37:07 PM
Scott- It's been too long since I read of it to remember the date. It was in the Sudan. You are correct about Churchill's reliance on his pistol, a Mauser automatic I believe. Many of us think of Churchill as a 20th Century figure, but he was rather stuck in the 19th in many ways.
231. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 5:38:20 PM
Loar- On 2- right era, but wrong cadet. He is burried in Baltimore. He did not have much of a military career as evidenced by his behavior at West Point.
232. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:40:09 PM
Churchill's language reveals him as a 19th century figure.
Am I right about Custer?
233. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 5:41:20 PM
No, Custer is not the answer.
234. ElliottRW - 9/16/1999 5:41:42 PM
2. Under orders to appear "with belt and gloves" this
West Point Cadet appeared on the parade ground
with nothing but belt and gloves on.
Edgar Allen Poe?
235. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:41:49 PM
Hell, you gave it away! Edgar Allen Poe, drunkard, ne'er-do-well, and dark genius.
236. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:42:47 PM
Who was nicknamed Snorky and what does it mean?
237. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 5:42:49 PM
Another hint on No. 2- he is also reputed to have been an alcoholic.
238. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:44:02 PM
#2 is finished.
239. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 5:44:11 PM
Elliot and Scott- Yes, Edgar Allen Poe. I'm sorry about the hints, I'm terrible at them.
240. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:45:19 PM
Again, who was nicknamed Snorky and what does it mean?
241. ScottLoar - 9/16/1999 5:50:17 PM
"Snorky", definitely 20th century slang but now long dated.
242. JonesAtLaw - 9/16/1999 11:19:13 PM
Loar wins a prize- he's stumped the panel. Not easy to do.
243. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 12:03:49 AM
I take it everyone yields?
The man - Mrs. Capone's son Alfonse, snorky - a sharp dresser ("a dapper dude"). Al's lieutenants and toadies called him Snorky, no one dared call him Scarface which name he hated.
244. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 12:19:23 AM
Al Capone once had two henchman who had turned on him each bound to a chair with piano wire and he whacked them to death with a baseball bat. Al also had puss smeared on a man's eyes then covered the eyeballs with masking tape. Al was also what you would call a "loud dresser".
245. glendajean - 9/17/1999 12:23:01 AM
The Robert De Niro Capone in the movie Ness has a big scene where he bashes a man's face with a baseball bat. Touchy guy.
246. cmboyce - 9/17/1999 12:24:32 AM
What do the following have in common:
Norman Mailer
Samuel F. B. Morse
William R. Hearst
J. P. Phoenix
247. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 6:10:23 AM
Al also had
puss smeared on a man's eyes
Er?
248. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 6:13:17 AM
GJ: Wasn't that The Untouchables?
249. pellenilsson - 9/17/1999 6:24:18 AM
About Churchill's battle, it must have been when he was with the expeditionary force sent to relieve the troops in Khartoum whuch were besieged by the Mahdists. The battle took place on the opposite side of the river and is, therefore, known as the battle of Omdurman.
250. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 8:41:45 AM
The Untouchables inaccurately depicted the incident, omitting the piano wire and allowing Al only one whack at each. It seems real life is yet sometimes too extreme for cinema special effects.
251. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 8:43:54 AM
Pellenilsson, you got it right.
252. Ace of Spades - 9/17/1999 8:47:35 AM
Scott:
Although there was no piano wire in The Untouchables, I can assure you Capone took a dozen whacks at the man's head in the film.
If you remember only one whack, you might have seen an edited foreign version. In the US version, he beat the man repeatedly, and the scene ended with a large pool of dark red blood flowing over the table his head lay upon.
253. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 8:54:17 AM
But, didn't he take a single whack each at two men in the movie version?
254. Ace of Spades - 9/17/1999 8:55:42 AM
In the movie, he only beat one guy, and he gave that guy a dozen hits.
I don't remember a second man being hit. I could be wrong, but I've seen it dozens of times (three times three or four months ago).
255. Ace of Spades - 9/17/1999 8:56:54 AM
...I just looked for the script on-line but I couldn't find it.
But I'm pretty sure it was one guy. The camera draws back from the table, showing the man's bloody skull bleeding all over the white-linen of the table. Just one dead guy.
256. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 8:57:25 AM
And I could be wrong. But, you've seen the movie dozens of times? How curious!
257. Ace of Spades - 9/17/1999 8:59:13 AM
The movie was more inaccurate than that, though. Ness didn't go after Capone for Tax Evasion-- the FBI did. Ultimately, Ness' strategy, while certainly a harassment to Capone, didn't bring Scarface down; it was the FBI.
Ness always scoffed at the Tax Evasion charge as a bullshit charge to get a murderer on. He did that in the movie, too, but Ness really didn't have anything to do with it. (In the movie, he's portrayed as eventually deciding to go with the Tax Charge, which in real life he didn't. He stuck to busting up Capone's distilleries and such.)
258. Ace of Spades - 9/17/1999 9:02:17 AM
Hmmmm. Maybe I didn't explain that right.
There were two great, factual stories about Capone: Ness dogging him with Untouchable agents, and his ultimate conviction for Tax Evasion.
Unfortunately, neither event is related. The movie brought them both together, and made Ness the avatar of the Tax Evasion charge, which he wasn't.
259. Ace of Spades - 9/17/1999 9:06:07 AM
Still made a confusing hash of it. Oh well. Two strikes and you're out.
260. Macnas - 9/17/1999 11:11:05 AM
WRT #249
Was'nt there a cavalry charge in WW1, Flanders I think, which is considered the last british mounted attack?? went straight into a machine gun platoon as I remember. Nasty business.
261. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 11:18:46 AM
Light cavalry and uhlan were used throughout WWI and in the beginning of WWII but I understood that Omdurman was the last instance when mounted cavalry fronted each other and charged in the thousands to gain or lose a single battle. Cavalry yet exists, but only as an auxiliary.
262. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 11:20:50 AM
I understood that it was the persistent British strategy in WWI to punch a hole through the German lines into which would flow cavalry to harass and break up the enemy's rear. Never happened.
263. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 11:25:53 AM
I relied on The Last Lion by Manchester for my assertion that WSC participated in the "last cavalry charge" of the British Empire. Loar's explanation of Cavalry use in WWI is my understanding also.
I have heard that Polish Cavalry attacked the Blitzkrieg columns in Sept '39. A truly amazing thing, old cavalry vs. new. Trumps the light brigade in my book.
264. pellenilsson - 9/17/1999 11:26:14 AM
And I think that the very last time cavalry appeared on the battlefield was in Poland at the German invasion in 1939.
265. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 11:31:06 AM
I believe that mounted Cossacks harassed and attacked retreating German columns in WWII as their ancestors had done to every invading army in retreat. But these are skirmishes, not battles.
266. ScottLoar - 9/17/1999 11:32:06 AM
In fact, I recall a memoir by a US marine who, as an adviser, actually participated in a Cossack charge in WWII.
267. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 2:44:07 PM
Connections Pt 2:
What is the common thread or connection between the following-
1. Gustav Mahler, Walter Gropius, Franz Werful
2. Morganite, Emerald, Helidor
3. Dwight Eisenhower, Thomas Jefferson, Woodrow Wilson (aside from their presidencies)
4. George V, Cardinal Richelieu, Otto Von Bismark
5. Paris, Los Angeles, London
268. CharlieL - 9/17/1999 2:51:40 PM
#5: They are three places I've never been.
269. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:04:44 PM
Charlie- Right, but I was looking for something more widely known.
270. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 3:12:32 PM
#1 all married the same woman (the one Tom Lehrer sung about in Alma
#3 all presidents of Universities (Columbia, University of Virginia and princeton, respectively)
271. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/17/1999 3:12:35 PM
Jones:
1) They were all married to Alma.
272. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/17/1999 3:13:32 PM
Dan beat me by 3 seconds, due to a failed post. Arrrgh.
273. CalGal - 9/17/1999 3:18:44 PM
2. I think they are all the same family of gemstone. I want to say beryl, but I'm not good at jewelry.
274. CharlieL - 9/17/1999 3:21:03 PM
Actually, I was wrong. I just remembered I have been to Los Angeles.
275. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:21:21 PM
CalGal, Irv, all correct. Beryl is the correct gemstone, CalGal!
276. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:22:11 PM
I'm sorry Dan, you're on the money as well.
277. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 3:24:53 PM
Re #5, does the order matter?
278. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:25:22 PM
Charlie- Ok then, in the immortal words of Kay Kaiser, "that's right, you're wrong!"
279. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:26:10 PM
Re No. 5, no, the order does not matter.
280. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:30:46 PM
A fourth city would fit No. 5- Athens.
281. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 3:32:30 PM
Is #5 place names in 2 different countries? If so, there'd be many more
282. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:34:09 PM
Hint for No. 4, bottles of champagne.
283. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:35:16 PM
Dan- No. 5 involves repeats, but not of the cities names.
284. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 3:39:04 PM
4) All have flagships named after them.
285. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:39:43 PM
Hint No. 5, Pistols and Stopwatches.
286. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:40:21 PM
A5- Correct, all were WWII battleships.
287. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 3:40:33 PM
#5 Cities with Olympics in them (again many more)
288. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:41:20 PM
Dan- right track, but there's more...
289. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 3:47:43 PM
other than all summer Olympics, not sure what
290. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 3:47:55 PM
OK- Dan's close enough, the four cities have all hosted the olympic games twice.
291. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 3:54:02 PM
Jones,
I believe Lake Placid also meets #5
292. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 4:30:32 PM
Common Threads
1) human, needle, potato
2) cheese, tacks, notes
3) cologne, tee shirts, cereal
4) Bill Bradley, Jimi Hendrix, Julius Caesar
5) Ronald Reagan, Horatio Alger, John F. Kennedy
6) Ethan Allen, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin (besides the obvious)
7) Braxton Bragg, John Hood, James McPherson (besides the obvious)
8) drains, televisions, concerts
9) Dallas, Washington, Buffalo
10) George Steinbrenner, Ann Landers, Calvin Coolidge
293. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 4:31:46 PM
haha, let's see you get THOSE.
Some are easy.
294. SnowOwl - 9/17/1999 4:36:02 PM
1. All have eyes
295. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 4:36:19 PM
#1 all have eyes
296. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 4:42:42 PM
Yes. Snowowl gets a cookie. Dantheman gets to watch Snowowl eat the cookie and contemplate his need for celerity.
297. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 4:53:54 PM
#9 -- teams which have lost multiple Super Bowls? If so, where are Minnesota and Denver?
#10 -- people who are known by their middle names?
298. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 4:57:49 PM
No, to either one. In the totally wrong ballparks, actually, but then again I designed the questions to lead that way.
299. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 5:26:40 PM
cheese, tacks, notes
all can be sharp.
300. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 5:32:07 PM
Cologne,tee shirts, cereal
Smell bad after three days?
These are tough!
301. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 5:38:35 PM
Cologne,tee shirts, cereal
Smell bad after three days?
These are tough!
302. Dantheman - 9/17/1999 5:38:35 PM
#6 All have patented inventions (I forgot Allen's, Washington's was a plow, Franklin stove, among others)
303. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 6:01:19 PM
Yes to #2.
6 may be a right answer. It just isn't the right answer I am looking for. You get a provisional cookie until someone gives me the answer I had in mind.
304. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 6:11:59 PM
Hint for 3.
Tennis shoes. Batteries.
305. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 7:57:16 PM
Hint for 3.
Gatorade.
306. coralreef - 9/17/1999 8:05:53 PM
8. All have plugs?
307. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 8:11:19 PM
Close.
308. CalGal - 9/17/1999 9:05:10 PM
10. Born on the fourth of July.
309. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 9:09:30 PM
Yes.
310. CalGal - 9/17/1999 9:11:54 PM
6. Well, Washington and Allen were both Freemasons, so I'm going to guess on that one. Although it seems odd to think of Franklin as a Freemason.
311. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 9:14:15 PM
Franklin was a very very important and well known Freemason. He was the most important Freemason in America at the time and is generally considered a liasion between American lodges, the sympathetic lodges in Britian, and French Freemasonry.
Nonetheless, you, too, only get a provisional cookie.
312. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 9:15:40 PM
Hint to frickin' 3:
long distance telephone savings and Ball Park frickin franks.
313. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 9:23:02 PM
Britain. Typo. The quiz is here.
314. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 9:50:37 PM
3.Cologne,tee shirts, cereal
Micheal Jordan endorsements/ads.
315. JonesAtLaw - 9/17/1999 10:00:03 PM
7. Braxton Bragg,James Hood,McPherson,
All have Forts named for them.
316. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/17/1999 10:21:33 PM
Good quiz, Angel. The answers seem so obvious when revealed.
How about this variant for #2? ... remove the "s"s:
2) cheese, tack, note
It leads to a different answer.
317. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 10:29:01 PM
314 and 315 are right.
318. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 10:33:21 PM
things that can be hard? (not sure of 'hard note)
319. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/17/1999 10:36:59 PM
nope, not "hard."
320. SnowOwl - 9/17/1999 10:38:07 PM
Things that can be blue? Hmmmmmmmmm....
321. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/17/1999 10:45:49 PM
Correct, as always, SnowOwl.
322. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 10:53:07 PM
blue tack?
323. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 10:53:47 PM
We still need 4, 5, 8, 9, and the original 6.
324. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 10:56:49 PM
what's blue tack?
325. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/17/1999 11:01:30 PM
Don't you have Blue Tack in America? If not, I apologize for the misleading question. It's sort of a putty-like stuff for sticking things up on walls.
326. RickNelson - 9/17/1999 11:01:41 PM
5) These men have all been shot.
327. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 11:07:47 PM
Irv: It's generally white in America, from what I find, but yes I do know what you are talking about. When I visited my brother overseas the digs were covered in posters and blue tack, and blue tack was often used to augment the art of them.
Had to jog the memory, there.
Ryck: Horatio Alger was shot?
If so, you get a provisional cookie.
It seems this game is an object lesson on synchronicity.
328. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 11:09:38 PM
He lived in Manchester when it was giving birth to the rave craze and designer drugs were being popularized again. There were some rather incredible posters. But there is no poster I have ever seen, at least no poster with humans on it, that is not capable of being vulgarly augmented via blue tack.
329. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/17/1999 11:19:25 PM
Well, when used properly, the Blue Tack is not visible. Of course, I doubt that anything was used properly in Manchester during the rave craze.
Your questions have me baffled, and I look forward to seeing the answers.
330. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 11:35:08 PM
Hint to 4) It's sinister.
331. SnowOwl - 9/17/1999 11:46:51 PM
4. lefthandedness.
332. Angel-Five - 9/17/1999 11:56:07 PM
Yes, that was a bit much of a hint.
333. SnowOwl - 9/18/1999 12:03:24 AM
Haha, it certainly was. This is a good quiz, although I find the questions which have only American content a bit difficult. There's no way I could have got the Michael Jordan question, we just don't get those ads down here.
334. pellenilsson - 9/18/1999 6:09:15 AM
I knew that it was something more I know about the Battle of Omdurman, and now that it has wormed its way up to the surface I have to post it.
The troops in Khartoum fought under the gallant General Gordon who fell on his post (prior to the ,main battle). I'm almost sure that the expeditionary force was commanded by Kitchener (he on the poster that says "England needs you!").
What about broadening the scope of this thread to Quiz and Trivia?
335. SnowOwl - 9/18/1999 7:13:45 AM
9) Dallas, Washington, Buffalo
All are sites of Presidential assassinations. (Washington had 2).
336. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/18/1999 7:22:19 AM
Wow, impressive!
Do Moties ever sleep? You're up pretty late.
337. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/18/1999 7:22:23 AM
Wow, impressive!
Do Moties ever sleep? You're up pretty late.
338. SnowOwl - 9/18/1999 7:28:30 AM
Saturday night and I'm watching The Crow Road on TV. That question had been nagging at me all day, I knew I knew the connection.
339. Angel-Five - 9/18/1999 8:01:22 AM
yes, 9 is correct. My hat is off.
340. Angel-Five - 9/18/1999 8:02:32 AM
5, 8, original 6. All that's left.
341. ScottLoar - 9/18/1999 8:11:56 AM
Pellenilsson, you have unwittingly given away the answer to a quizz question I was preparing, "where did 'Chinese Gordon' die?" The fame of Lord Kitchener's relief of Khartoum carried him for years, through the Boer War and into command of the British Expeditionary Force in the early years of WWI. My favourite quote of Kitchener's, muttered as he worked his way past a knot of reporters, "Out of my way you drunken scum."
And Pellenilsson, how did "Chinese Gordon" gain the name?
342. RickNelson - 9/18/1999 11:19:23 AM
Well,
not finding a shooting reference for Horatio I retract my quess.
Trying again,
5) These men all have names associated with library buildings or wings of a library.
343. Angel-Five - 9/18/1999 4:26:42 PM
Final cleanup
5)All names can have a Jr. after them.
6) All were classes of US nuclear submarines
8) All can be 'unplugged...' and apologies to any people lucky enough to not live in an MTV culture, because that's where the 'Unplugged' series of concerts is held.
I don't know when I'll be around to answer this, but here's a few more.
1) sandwiches, bones, dusters
2) tornado, hornet, aardvark
3) Yaphet Kotto, Lawrence Fishburne, Patrick Stewart
4) tobacco, potato, decapitation
5) man, candle, will
6) Chicago, Boston, Berlin
7) James Buchanan, James Monroe, John Adams (besides the obvious)
8) Hawaii, Texas, Alaska
9) Bronstein, Sar, Madison
10) Pale Rider, Moonraker, Force 10 from Navarone
As per the other one, there are easy ones and not so easy ones. You'll have at least a day to come up with the answers.
344. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:32:11 PM
10) All featured Richard "Jaws" Kiel
I knew I should get this, because I know all three movies pretty well. Took me a little while, though.
345. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:34:50 PM
3) Yaphet Kotto, Lawrence Fishburne, Patrick Stewart
This isn't what you're looking for, probably, but they've all played officers on space-ships.
346. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:36:52 PM
This one is really, really, really hard, but:
11) Gabriel Byrne, Liam Neeson, Patrick Stewart
347. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:38:48 PM
The answer isn't country of origin or nationality or birthplace or anything like that.
348. CalGal - 9/18/1999 4:39:06 PM
Be silly. Not hard at all. They were all in Excalibur.
349. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:40:48 PM
You little IMBD bitch.
350. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:42:05 PM
7) James Buchanan, James Monroe, John Adams -- all Gay presidents
6) Chicago, Boston, Berlin -- all Gay cities
8) Hawaii, Texas, Alaska -- alll Gay States
351. CalGal - 9/18/1999 4:43:00 PM
I don't know of any movie where Stewart played Othello, though.
352. CalGal - 9/18/1999 4:44:04 PM
I love the IMD. But that one didn't require a check.
Texas is a gay state? That's a mighty big closet.
353. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:44:34 PM
He might have played Iago. I know he was doing Shakespeare in the park a few years ago. I think it was Taming of the Shrew, though.
354. Ace of Spades - 9/18/1999 4:45:49 PM
Laugh. Maybe he did a one man Othello. In which case, you know, he'd be Othello. By default.
355. Angel-Five - 9/18/1999 5:14:07 PM
10) is right.
356. SnowOwl - 9/18/1999 10:20:58 PM
2. Military aircraft
357. SnowOwl - 9/18/1999 10:31:28 PM
6. rock groups
358. CalGal - 9/18/1999 10:43:50 PM
Oh, fer chrissakes. The last one is embarrassing for us natives.
359. SnowOwl - 9/18/1999 10:48:37 PM
I'd be embarrassed too if I lived in a country that produced groups like that.
360. CalGal - 9/18/1999 10:54:53 PM
I beg your pardon. "More Than A Feeling" is a classic! And I bet you anything you know at least three Chicago songs.
361. CalGal - 9/18/1999 10:55:27 PM
In case you can't tell, I laughed.
362. joezan - 9/18/1999 10:58:37 PM
So...
I'm trying to cheat on the presidents question.
I want to go to a presidents site, so I try the trusty White House site.
Having made this mistake once before, I make double sure to type "...wwww.thewhitehouse..."
...and end up at "White House", a porn site, anyway.
The last time this happened, I had neglected to include "the" in the URL. But now, it seems, there is no way to access the "legit" WH site, unless one happens to know the whatchamacallit numerical url.
I checked, and the porn site uses a Meta Tag, which basically has it covered - space, no space, caps, no caps, "the", no "the".
Is this legal?
363. CalGal - 9/18/1999 11:09:24 PM
No, the way to find it is to use Yahoo.
Alternately, you can remember that all government agencies end in "gov".
So it's www.whitehouse.gov
364. joezan - 9/18/1999 11:13:51 PM
Jeez...I KNEW that...
365. ethiopianeunuch - 9/18/1999 11:56:57 PM
5)add power to them all
366. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 12:19:33 AM
1. knuckle
367. joezan - 9/19/1999 12:31:41 AM
SnowOwl:
I don't get the "Dusters" connection.
368. CalGal - 9/19/1999 12:34:17 AM
Isn't it that thing you punch people with?
369. joezan - 9/19/1999 12:35:08 AM
Huh?
370. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 12:35:58 AM
Joe,
knuckledusters aka brass knuckles. Those things you put on your fingers when you want to break someone's jaw.
371. CalGal - 9/19/1999 12:38:25 AM
Yeah. The things you punch people with.
372. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 12:39:16 AM
Cal, I was only teasing about the groups. Someone from a country that has Split Enz as its rock claim to fame can't afford to be casting aspersions anywhere else.
373. joezan - 9/19/1999 12:39:44 AM
SnowOwl:
I hung with a tough crowd (but, apparently, not as tough as yours or Cal's!), so you'd think I'd know that....
374. CalGal - 9/19/1999 12:40:46 AM
Snow,
It was a great comeback. I was much impressed.
375. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 12:44:56 AM
4. Sir Walter Raleigh!!!
376. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 12:46:02 AM
I've got to keep out of this thread. These damn questions go round and round in my head all day long.
377. CalGal - 9/19/1999 12:54:05 AM
Well, they seem to go round and round to good purpose. Good one on Raleigh.
7. Monroe, Adams, Buchanan--All three were ministers to Great
Britain, but I can't believe that's what he means.
378. pellenilsson - 9/19/1999 4:08:37 AM
ScottLoar
"Chinese" Gordon. The obvious guess is that he must have been in on the quenching of the Boxer uprising in China. But it might be more subtle than that of course.
379. pellenilsson - 9/19/1999 4:10:21 AM
In connection with the above (that is a clue): Why were the Germans called "huns" during WW1?
381. ScottLoar - 9/19/1999 11:46:10 AM
Pellenilsson, the Boxer Rebellion was in 1900 and "Chinese Gordon" was long dead at Khartoum so, yes, the answer is a bit more subtle.
Germans as The Hun, used to villify by associating Germans with the barbarians come from the north and east who toppled civilization?
382. ScottLoar - 9/19/1999 11:48:44 AM
I rather like sounding "The Hun", a dagger-like word, and Churchill twisting Nazis to rhyme with "nasty" as in "all of the odious Nazi apparatus..." is pure theatrics.
383. JonesAtLaw - 9/19/1999 4:36:39 PM
I'm kicking myself over the knuckledusters thing. There is a form of derringer called a knuckleduster that had me confused. Now I remeber that one of the originals had a pair of brass knuckles included as the grip of the revolver. Good one!
384. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 7:43:12 PM
Scottloar,
Wasn't Gordon called Chinese Gordon after his role in helping to crush the Taiping rebellion? I used to have a wonderful old biography of Gordon (now lost unfortunately) which had a photograph of him all decked out in equisite Chinese clothing.
385. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 7:48:50 PM
equisite = exquisite. One day I'll remember to check for dust.
386. SnowOwl - 9/19/1999 7:48:52 PM
equisite = exquisite. One day I'll remember to check for dust.
387. Angel-Five - 9/19/1999 11:38:39 PM
Snow Owl is a pro, apparently, racking up 1, 2, 4, and 6.
CalGal is correct on 7.
Ethiopian Eunuch is right on 5.
We need 3, 8, and 9.
388. Angel-Five - 9/19/1999 11:46:23 PM
RE: 383
Those things always confused me. I've got no idea why you'd want to punch someone with a derringer clenched entirely inside your closed fist.
389. Angel-Five - 9/19/1999 11:50:15 PM
The quiz is at post number 343.
390. CoralReef - 9/19/1999 11:50:28 PM
The idea is likely that after you run out of bullets and the guy is still alive and pissed that you shot at you can immediately punch him with the handle-grip brass knuckles.
391. Angel-Five - 9/19/1999 11:55:33 PM
Oh, you hit them AFTER you shoot them. Seems like it sort of cuts down your options, but at least that makes sense.
392. SnowOwl - 9/20/1999 12:01:02 AM
Damn, I was hoping you were going to give us the answers now, Angel. #9 in particular, is bugging me. I can make connections between two different pairings, but I can't figure anything connecting all three.
393. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:02:44 AM
of course, a 'knuckle duster' is also slang for 'pouring oneself a hand shandy' or 'shaking hands with the unemployed' or 'owner-operating', even 'pitting Hand Solo agains the Pink Darth Vader'. But I'm glad we kept the talk clean. This is, after all, a family publication.
394. SnowOwl - 9/20/1999 12:04:27 AM
It is? Another bit of useless information to file away. Thanks Angel, that's not a usage of the term I'd ever heard.
395. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:06:39 AM
Any hint I give for 3 will probably give it instantly away.
Hints for 8: one hundred years
Hint for 9: a hint for 9 that won't give it away... hmmm.... I will use one from popular literature. Valentine Wiggin.
396. CoralReef - 9/20/1999 12:07:25 AM
you forgot "operating the palm pilot"
397. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:08:41 AM
The hint for 8 should be '0ne hundred years anniversary'
398. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:17:27 AM
BTW, SO: Two of the ones in 9 are more like each other than they are the third, but all do share a common thread so don't let that throw you.
399. SnowOwl - 9/20/1999 12:19:46 AM
So, if I think that only one of them is well known under his real name would I be on the right track?
400. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:20:19 AM
Safe bet.
401. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:23:48 AM
Hell, you might have well just answered it there, so I give you credit.
402. CalGal - 9/20/1999 12:26:51 AM
Well, I know who Valentine Wiggin is, but unless the answer is "14-year-old political agitators", I'm not sure about the connection.
Political writers using pseudonyms, maybe?
403. SnowOwl - 9/20/1999 12:32:26 AM
Don't credit me too quickly, Angel. I'm taking a guess, based on what I know about Sar and Bronstein. They're all revolutionaries.
404. SnowOwl - 9/20/1999 12:33:32 AM
Or perhaps Calgal's term political agitators might be more fitting.
405. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:34:52 AM
The official answer is political agitators who used pseudonyms. Bronstein (Trotsky) Sar (Pol Pot) and Madison (Publius).
406. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:36:18 AM
(I couldn't at the time remember any other suitable 'real' revolutionaries that didn't have names that would immediately give the question away.)
407. SnowOwl - 9/20/1999 12:39:38 AM
Very good question, Angel. It had me completely baffled for ages. I could link Sar and Bronstein easily enough, but I don't know anything about Madison in the sense of him being a political agitator, let alone one who used a pseudonym. I could also link Bronstein and Madison, both were US naval vessels, but apart from a weak attempt to connect them by search and rescue (SAR) I really couldn't see any common thread at all.
408. CalGal - 9/20/1999 12:49:03 AM
Hmm. Madison was a weak link in that question. He only used Publius as a name to publish papers under--and he wasn't a political agitator at the time he used Publius, was he? By then, he was selling the Constitution.
In fact, now that I think of it--Hamilton and Jay wrote under it as well.
409. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 12:56:12 AM
He wasn't a political agitator because he was selling the Constitution??????????
Uhm.
410. CalGal - 9/20/1999 1:18:26 AM
That was well after the war. He was certainly a member of the establishment when he wrote as Publius. Also, as I mentioned, Hamilton and Jay wrote under it as well. Hamilton in particular has as much right to the name.
Trotsky, in comparison, was put in prison, wasn't he? Adopted the name--and then went by it for the rest of his life. I don't remember when Pol Pot changed his name, but I know that he was constantly hiding from Sihanouk in the late 50s and early 60s. Again, he went by that name for the rest of his life. (in both cases, I am referring to their public name--I have no idea what they used in private.)
Madison was a member of the established government (as much as one existed) in a free country, and only used the name Publius as a pen name. Different thing entirely.
I've been trying to think of a third name that would fit better.
411. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 1:32:20 AM
You miss the point. Madison, whether or not he was living comfortably, was a political agitator when he was helping write the Publius papers. He was agitating for the Federalists through the press, trying to stir up support for strong, centralized government.
Other names that would fit if we were going for a strict 'revolutionary' motif:
Ulyanov
Thanh
Dzhugashvilli (something like that, anyway)
indeed, any number of Communists as it was common practice for them to take revolutionary names.
412. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 1:33:18 AM
I didn't want to use any of the above because it would have been immediately obvious what the common tie was.
413. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 1:35:23 AM
This is a good mental exercise. Who can add to the list?
So far we have covered Ho, Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Madison, and Pol Pot. There is one other immediately obvious candidate.
414. Angel-Five - 9/20/1999 1:37:12 AM
Final cleanup:
3: All have done Othello.
8: All are also novels by James Michener.
415. CalGal - 9/20/1999 2:02:32 AM
Well, actually, I guessed the Othello one a while back. Stewart never played it in a filmed version of the play.
As for the other, I wasn't complaining--just quibbling. Madison had a nom de plume, a pen name. The other two were people who actually changed their names and operated under the new name.
416. Macnas - 9/20/1999 10:52:30 AM
I'm posting a quiz, if only because I can never answer any question posed here.
Who said it, and who were they talking about??
1. She stole everything but the camera.
2. She is a combination of little Nell and Lady Macbeth.
3. The gentleman was a sweet and beautiful soul, but I have entirely forgotton his name.
4. I enjoy his society, he is so hearty, so straightforward, outspoken, and, for the moment, so absolutely sincere.
417. tmachine - 9/20/1999 5:23:27 PM
Let me add another to Macnas's excellent quiz (to which I remember none of the answers at present):
5. It was like kissing Hitler.
418. CalGal - 9/20/1999 6:34:51 PM
5--Tony Curtis, on what love scenes were like with Marilyn Monroe in "Some Like It Hot."
419. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/1999 7:52:30 PM
I'll add another question to the "who wrote it, and who's it about?" quiz:
6. The song, "Killing Me Softly With His Song"
420. CalGal - 9/21/1999 12:34:31 AM
1. Well, it was about Mae West, said of her first movie. Can't think who it is right now, but it's someone unlikely. I'm going with her first co-star, George Raft.
2. Dorothy Parker. That makes it either Robert Benchley or Woolcott. I'll guess Woolcott.
421. Macnas - 9/21/1999 3:15:56 AM
1. She stole everything but the camera. {George Raft : Mae West}
CalGal gets it.
2. She is a combination of little Nell and Lady Macbeth. {Alexander Wollcott : Dorothy Parker}
And CalGal gets it again.
422. Macnas - 9/21/1999 3:21:53 AM
That only leaves 3 and 4, all are americans by the way.
423. Macnas - 9/21/1999 3:23:42 AM
As for 'STOPAS #6, was it Donna Reed : Don Mclean ??
424. OhioSTOPAS - 9/21/1999 5:33:23 AM
Don McLean is right, but the songwriter was Lori Lieberman. (Donna Reed?!)
425. Macnas - 9/21/1999 6:41:25 AM
Wait a minute, was Donna Reed an actress?? I'm suffering from Tuesdayitus, I'm raving! well maybe not raving, but I hate Tuesdays anyway...
426. joezan - 9/21/1999 7:15:15 AM
Hmmmnn...
I thought it was a guy who wrote Killing Me Softly? I know that doesn't sound right, but that's why it sticks in my mind.
Incidentally - who knows what movie featured the song (a slightly different version from the hit)?
427. JonesAtLaw - 9/21/1999 9:28:05 AM
No 3, an elderly Emmerson at Longfellow's funeral about Longfellow.
428. Macnas - 9/21/1999 11:08:14 AM
3. The gentleman was a sweet and beautiful soul, but I have entirely forgotton his name. {Ralph Waldo Emerson : Henry LOngfellow}
JonesAtLaw gets it!
429. Macnas - 9/21/1999 11:10:38 AM
That only leaves #4, which involves two american icons, one of politics, the other of literature.
430. tmachine - 9/21/1999 2:58:08 PM
seems like Calgal knows everything! no. 5 ("It was like kissing Hitler") was indeed Tony Curtis on love scenes with Marilyn in Some Like It Hot.
431. JonesAtLaw - 9/21/1999 5:21:13 PM
Macnas- No 4 seems like Teddy Roosevelt, but I can't think of who would have said it.
432. Thoughtful - 9/21/1999 8:28:22 PM
Killing me Softly: Words: Norman Gimbel; music: Charles Fox; I thought it was about Don McClean but I'm probably wrong about that.
433. Macnas - 9/22/1999 3:20:22 AM
4. I enjoy his society, he is so hearty, so straightforward, outspoken, and, for the moment, so absolutely sincere. {????? : Theadore Roosevelt}
JonesAtLaw gets half of #4, and the time frame alone should give it away as to who said it...
434. OhioSTOPAS - 9/22/1999 6:30:43 AM
I stand corrected! Singer/songwriter Lori Lieberman wrote a poem about a Don McLean performance, but as Thoughtful says Gimbel and Fox turned her poem into the song "Killing Me Softly".
435. joezan - 9/22/1999 6:38:07 AM
No guesses as to the movie that featured "Killing Me Softy"?
Hint: The movie title contains the name of the title of another song.
436. Thoughtful - 9/22/1999 9:34:31 AM
OhioS, helps to have a 1000 song fake book at home.
}:-)
437. tmachine - 9/22/1999 10:07:24 AM
Macnas--Henry James?
438. Macnas - 9/22/1999 11:47:49 AM
Sorry tmachine, Henry James is not the answer.
Just for fun though, who said this??:
"Henry James was one of the nicest old ladies I ever met"
439. tmachine - 9/22/1999 1:16:45 PM
Virginia Woolf?
440. CalGal - 9/22/1999 2:16:36 PM
William Faulkner.
441. CalGal - 9/22/1999 2:17:08 PM
Match the lyric to song to the musical:
442. vonKreedon - 9/22/1999 2:19:35 PM
Number 2 is West Side Story, "Gee, Officer Krupski", or some title similar to that.
443. Dantheman - 9/22/1999 2:19:40 PM
#5 is 1776
444. ChristinO - 9/22/1999 2:20:42 PM
#4 is from Into the Woods I think.
445. CalGal - 9/22/1999 2:21:17 PM
vK nabbed 442 completely, or close enough.
Dan--do you know the song name? Got the musical, natch.
446. Dantheman - 9/22/1999 2:21:24 PM
Is #8 Sit Down You're Rocking the Boat from Guys and Dolls?
447. CalGal - 9/22/1999 2:21:42 PM
Christin--no on #4.
448. ChristinO - 9/22/1999 2:21:48 PM
#8 is Sit Down You're Rocking the Boat from Guys and Dolls.
449. CalGal - 9/22/1999 2:22:00 PM
Dan--yes on #8.
450. ChristinO - 9/22/1999 2:22:17 PM
Shit, Dantm beat me to it!
451. CalGal - 9/22/1999 2:22:34 PM
And Christin, if you hadn't spent 4 seconds on italicizing, you would have gotten #8 too!
452. Dantheman - 9/22/1999 2:22:52 PM
Re #5 -- it's the opening number, where the other delegates yell at John Adams "Sit down, John". I'm not sure if that's the title.
453. CalGal - 9/22/1999 2:23:14 PM
Whoops--missed a 2 there (24 secs, not 4)
454. ChristinO - 9/22/1999 2:23:20 PM
I missed it by 24 seconds, but you're likely right.
455. glendajean - 9/22/1999 3:03:48 PM
Ah, a musical quiz.
1) Is this from "Of Thee I Sing"?
5) Yes, from 1776. Is it "Piddle, Twiddle & Resolve" where John Adams sings to God? The rest of the line is "Good God, Sir, was that fair?"
7) "It Ain't Necessarily So" from "Porgy & Bess."
456. CalGal - 9/22/1999 3:08:14 PM
GJ nabbed the song title from 1776--Dan, they then move into "Sit down, John" (John, you're a bore. We've heard this before!)
GJ cont'd: No to 1--which is a tough one. Yes to 7.
457. glendajean - 9/22/1999 3:21:43 PM
I was thinking that #6 might be from either Finnian's Rainbow or Brigadoon.
458. CalGal - 9/22/1999 3:57:16 PM
Yes, it is from one of those two.
459. ChristiPeters - 9/22/1999 3:58:49 PM
#6 - my bet is Finian's Rainbow, the leprachaun guy sang it, and I can't remember the name of the song
460. ChristiPeters - 9/22/1999 3:59:35 PM
and I'm probably wrong which is why I don't usually even attempt these quizzes
&:o)
461. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:00:00 PM
6. Nope, nope, and that's why you can't remember the song. (g)
462. ChristiPeters - 9/22/1999 4:01:54 PM
back to lurking
463. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:02:51 PM
Quiz is here, assuming I did this link properly. 5, 7, 8 have been nabbed. 1 is very difficult. 2 and 3 are eminently doable.
464. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:03:36 PM
And Christi, don't lurk. Cmon, I think it's quite likely you know 2 or 3. They just aren't the usual lyrics quoted.
465. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:04:58 PM
Whoops! 2 was nabbed by vK. 1, 3, 4, and 6 are left. 3 and 6 are very doable.
466. glendajean - 9/22/1999 4:22:31 PM
Cal -- it's hint time.
So #6 is from Brigadoon. I'm afraid my B knowledge is limited.
#3 No idea.
467. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:35:09 PM
Oh, come now. None of you have seen the movie? The guy is singing romantically of the girl he's to marry and what he is happily leaving behind:
In Edinburgh I used to know ,
a lass with an' air and her name was Jo.
Each evening round at ten,
I would meet her in the glen.
Van Johnson, listening sardonically, chimes in for the first time:
But now you'll not see her again. Especially not in the glen at ten.
They sing together:
For now across the green, IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'LLLLLLLLLLL ...... (and Van's eyes get wider and wider as the note gets longer and longer)
go home with Bonnie Jean!
Best moment in the movie.
468. glendajean - 9/22/1999 4:36:33 PM
No, I've only seen tiny snippets of the movie and never a live production. And I've never listened through the complete cast album. Sorry.
469. ChristiPeters - 9/22/1999 4:38:13 PM
CalGal -
Was that in the bar?
470. Dantheman - 9/22/1999 4:38:29 PM
Moreover, seeing the movie does not give one the name of the song (as in the 1776 lyric from before. I've seen that movie about 5 times, but never knew the name of the song.
471. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:41:30 PM
Christi,
Well, it's the song that all the men sing. It wasn't in a bar. I gave the answer to that one, just because I love that scene.
Hints to the last three:
1. Introduced Tom Bosley; he won every award on Broadway for it. Hasn't been made into a movie that I know of. Pulitzer Prize Winner in, I believe, 1958.
3. Yes, you all know this musical. It is one of the few musicals that has a murder in it. And Sondheim had nothing to do with it, which narrows it down considerably.
4. Practically synonomous with the term "Off Broadway musical".
472. glendajean - 9/22/1999 4:44:47 PM
#1 -- the one named after the liberal Republican mayor of New York, Italian for "Little Flower." Oh, yeah, Fiorello LaGuardia. "Fiorello" is the musical?
473. glendajean - 9/22/1999 4:45:50 PM
#4 That would have to be from the one that Jones & somebody wrote, still running after all these years, "Try to Remember Those Days in September," ... The Fantasticks.
474. glendajean - 9/22/1999 4:47:16 PM
The only musical that I can remember off the top of my head with murders (and it's not Sweeny Todd, CalGal says)...hmm.. "No Way to Treat a Lady." It has a mass murderer in it. Charming little musical, but I bet that's not it.
475. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:49:01 PM
GJ--Yep to Fiorello. The song is Politics and Poker.
Gentlemen, here we are and one thing is clear.
We've got to pick a candidate for Congress this year.
Howzabout we should make Jack Reilly the guy?
Which Reilly are you thinking of: Jack B or Jack Y?
I say neither one! I've never even met 'em.
I say when you got a pair of jacks: BET 'em!
476. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:51:34 PM
And yes to the Fantasticks. The song is "Never say No"--about the one word you should never say to your children.
Why did the kids put beans in their ears?
No one can hear with beans in their ears!
477. CalGal - 9/22/1999 4:55:10 PM
No to "No Way to Treat a Lady".
Hmm.
How about another song from the play:
I'm reviewing the situation.
Can a fellow be a villain all his life?
All the trials and tribulations!
Better settle down and get myself a wife.
A wife.
A wife would cook and sew for me and come for me and go for me and go for me and nag at me the fingers she would wag at me the money she would take from me the misery she would make for me........
I think I better think it out again.
478. glendajean - 9/22/1999 4:59:01 PM
Oliver.
479. CalGal - 9/22/1999 5:01:56 PM
Yes. The song in the question was "Who Will Buy"
Who will buy this wonderful morning?
I'm so high, I swear I could fly.
480. glendajean - 9/22/1999 5:04:17 PM
Excellent. Now I'm thinking about musicals with murderers. You're right about Sondheim (ST, Assassins, for gosh sakes).
"Little Shop of Horrors" has a murdering plant.
Any others?
481. glendajean - 9/22/1999 5:06:13 PM
"Parade" from Lincoln Center a couple of years ago was about the murder trial of Leo Frank, a Jewish factory owner in Atlanta that was accused of murdering a young female worker. Great song from it that Audra McDonald sings on her solo cd -- something like "You don't know this man."
482. CalGal - 9/22/1999 5:07:13 PM
And here are some more (just because I have the damn things in my brain now):
483. Dantheman - 9/22/1999 5:07:50 PM
#4 Good Morning Starshine from Hair
484. SnowOwl - 9/22/1999 5:08:32 PM
7. Sweet Charity
485. glendajean - 9/22/1999 5:08:48 PM
#6 -- "Leave Him" from "Follies" by Mr. Stephen Sondheim (sung by the lovely late Lee Remick in the only recording worth of F worth getting, the 1985 concert version performed at Lincoln Center).
486. glendajean - 9/22/1999 5:10:53 PM
Snow Owl -- "Hey, Big Spender" from Sweet Charity.
487. OhioSTOPAS - 9/22/1999 5:11:00 PM
I think number 5 is from a song Judas sings in "Jesus Christ Superstar".
488. SnowOwl - 9/22/1999 5:11:12 PM
Oops, I guess I'm supposed to give the song title as well. "Big Spender".
489. glendajean - 9/22/1999 5:11:44 PM
Another musical about murderers -- "Chicago"
490. CalGal - 9/22/1999 6:15:11 PM
4--DantheMan is correct
6--GJ got (but then, I knew he would)
7--Snowowl got the play and appeared to know the song as well, but GJ provided first.
Ohio--nope.
491. joezan - 9/22/1999 11:00:00 PM
In future Show Tune Quizzes, I think it only fair that the gay posters be held to a time limit.
492. joezan - 9/22/1999 11:00:28 PM
JUST KIDDING!
493. joezan - 9/22/1999 11:02:29 PM
And can it really be that no one knows the answer to my pitiful little question; What movie featured Killing Me Softly?
Or did it just get buried?
494. heresiarch - 9/23/1999 3:02:36 AM
Pathetically easy Generation X Cinema quotes:
Name the movie:
1) I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as
a career.
2)That's a very nice hat you're wearing... and I don't mean that in an Eddie
Haskell kind of way.
3)Certainly, in the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid
piece of wood in your hand is often useful.
4)This is the nineties. You don't just go around punching people.
You have to say something cool first.
5)That gal's got entirely too many brains to have an ass like that.
6)Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board with your penis?
7)This is Ohio. If you don't have a brewski in your hand you might as well be
wearing a dress.
8) That's the most acid I've ever seen anyone take. I hope you're not
busy for, like, a month.
9) Holy shit! It's the attack of Eddie Munster!
10)People say crazy shit during sex. One time I called this girl "Mom."
495. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:06:43 AM
9. Lost Boys
496. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:06:59 AM
6. Real Genius
497. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:10:30 AM
10. Clerks
498. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:12:00 AM
2. Singles
3. This is Spinal Tap
499. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:13:26 AM
1. Say Anything.
500. heresiarch - 9/23/1999 3:14:03 AM
Wow. Work that database.
501. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:14:59 AM
8. I wanna say that damn Cheech & Chong movie, which bored me silly. Can't think of the name right now, whether it's right or not.
502. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:17:03 AM
???
If you're going to accuse people of cheating, why bother posting quizzes?
503. Macnas - 9/23/1999 3:24:46 AM
4)This is the nineties. You don't just go around punching people.
You have to say something cool first.
Bruce Willis in "the last boy scout".
504. Macnas - 9/23/1999 3:29:10 AM
just to wrap up my own quiz, it was Mark Twain who was speaking of Teddy Roosevelt.
And CalGal gats the last question, with the correct answer of Faulkner. Well done CalGal.
505. heresiarch - 9/23/1999 3:32:28 AM
CalGal: Because I like posting quizzes - that's got nothing to do with it.
Your answers were all correct, by the way.
Macnas: Yes.
506. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:35:59 AM
Res,
Yes, I know they were correct (except the Cheech & Chong one, which was partially a guess). I know more about movies than most.
And it's still not good form to accuse people of cheating. Certainly not someone who knows far more about movies than, say, you do.
If you can't play nice, pup, then don't play at all.
507. heresiarch - 9/23/1999 3:41:12 AM
Sure, sure. At least you stopped looking stuff up.
508. Macnas - 9/23/1999 3:43:33 AM
Its just a quiz thread, and its the last place to get narky with each other. Relax or perhaps duke it out in the PlayPen.
509. CalGal - 9/23/1999 3:44:48 AM
Not at all. Those were all I knew. I dislike Bruce Willis movies, and I don't know 5 and 7.
You are still accusing me of cheating. Unpleasant, really.
Note to Ace: I don't suppose it's possible to require those who post quizzes to refrain from making accusations of this nature? It seems completely against the purpose of the thread, somehow.
510. heresiarch - 9/23/1999 3:53:35 AM
(give her enough rope... ...and she becomes a censor. Funny, innit?)
Whatever, CalGal. If it so bothers you, then I retract the accusation. And the test was easy. Have a nice night online.
511. OhioSTOPAS - 9/23/1999 6:27:27 AM
7. True
512. OhioSTOPAS - 9/23/1999 6:31:47 AM
What? It isn't a true-false quiz?
513. joezan - 9/23/1999 6:45:23 AM
Good one, Ohio!
BTW, Heresi...(and speaking as one who probably knows less than either of you about movies), it doesn't seem possible that someone would be able to accomplish a database search of those movie snippets in the time Cal began posting answers.
514. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 8:46:26 AM
A quiz for today. Name the U.S. city about which the following lines were said:
1. The town is like an advertisement for itself; none of the charms are left to the visitor's imagination.
2. [It] is where neon goes to die.
3. The difference between Dante, Virgil and myself is that they wrote about Hell without ever having lived there.
4. [It] is the only city in the world where you can deliberately run over by a pedestrian.
5. Of all of the Sodoms and Gomorrahs in our modern world, it is the worst. It needs another quake, another whiff of fire -- and -- more than all else -- a steady trade wind of grapeshot.
6. All the filth and corruption of a big city; all the pettiness and insularity of a small town.
515. Dusty - 9/23/1999 8:51:04 AM
heresiarch
I don't understand. You post a quiz, claim it is easy, and when you prove to be right, you accuse people of cheating. Not logical. Not nice.
516. Dusty - 9/23/1999 8:51:53 AM
2. Las vegas?
Or is that the city where it all goes to live?
517. Dusty - 9/23/1999 8:53:21 AM
I trust there is a type in #4? How should it read?
518. Dusty - 9/23/1999 8:54:53 AM
5 Bangkok?
519. Dusty - 9/23/1999 8:56:07 AM
1. Zermatt?
520. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 8:56:53 AM
Dusty,
#2 is not Las Vegas. #4 should read:
[It] is the only city in the world in which you can GET deliberately run down ON THE SIDEWALK by a pedestrian.
Sorry about that.
521. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 8:57:20 AM
Dusty,
They are all U.S. cities.
522. Dusty - 9/23/1999 9:03:14 AM
3. Detroit
523. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 9:04:44 AM
Dusty,
#3 is not Detroit.
524. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 9:09:55 AM
Quiz is at Post 514. Note corrected version on #4 at 520.
525. Dusty - 9/23/1999 9:10:37 AM
Wanna Bet?
Actually, I have no clue as to a single one of the quotes, although #4 sounds familiar, so i am just making semi-random guesses.
526. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 9:14:07 AM
I want to wait until there are more guessers before posting clues. Probably around 10:00 EDT.
527. RosettaSTONE - 9/23/1999 9:20:43 AM
What is the name of the child who was baptized in the final scene of Francis Ford Coppola's THE GODFATHER? Hint: The person was also in GODFATHER III.
528. DanDillon - 9/23/1999 10:02:50 AM
5. Of all of the Sodoms and Gomorrahs in our modern world, it is the worst. It needs another quake, another whiff of fire -- and -- more than all else -- a steady trade wind of grapeshot.
Los Angeles
1. The town is like an advertisement for itself; none of the charms are left to the visitor's imagination.
San Francisco
4. [It] is the only city in the world where you can deliberately run over by a pedestrian.
NYC
529. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 10:12:46 AM
DanDillon,
#4 is right. #1 and 5 are wrong.
Some hints:
#2 is a resort city, just not Las Vegas.
#3 was written by Carl Sandberg.
#6 is also the city which booed Santa Claus.
530. glendajean - 9/23/1999 10:19:56 AM
#3 Chicago
531. glendajean - 9/23/1999 10:20:09 AM
#2 Reno
532. glendajean - 9/23/1999 10:21:17 AM
They're kind of hard on cities.
533. theDiva - 9/23/1999 10:22:06 AM
Stone
Probably Sofia Coppolla.
534. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 10:25:12 AM
glendajean,
#3 is right. #2 is wrong (it is not in Nevada -- I mentioned Las Vegas because that was a guess made earlier)
535. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 10:42:03 AM
Again, the quiz is at post #514. Cities #3 and 4 have been correctly guessed. Hints are at post #529.
536. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 11:02:36 AM
More hints (since I want this to be wrapped up in time for my 11:30 meeting:
#2 is about an east coast resort city and was written by Lenny Bruce.
#5 was written by Ambrose Bierce.
537. JonesAtLaw - 9/23/1999 12:11:12 PM
#5 is San Francisco.
2 is Atlantic City
538. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 12:14:35 PM
JonesAtLaw,
#5 is right. #2 is not. Further south.
I am surprised that no one has guessed anything for #6, but another quite about it (from the turn of the century) is that it is "corrupt and contented"
539. JonesAtLaw - 9/23/1999 12:32:34 PM
No2- Miami?
No. 6 Hot Springs Arkansas?
540. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 12:33:50 PM
#2 is right. Not #6
541. RosettaSTONE - 9/23/1999 12:43:35 PM
Right, diva. The baby in baptism is actually Coppola's infant girl who did much to ruin GODFATHER III in the key role as Pacino's daughter.
Her name is Sofia Coppola and she hasn't been in another movie since.
542. JonesAtLaw - 9/23/1999 12:55:25 PM
God Rosetta, I was trying to come up with the character name and all I could remember was "Rizzi."
543. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 1:00:10 PM
I have to run errands at lunch, but to recap: #2, 3, 4 and 5 have been guessed. We are left with the task of identifying the following U.S. cities:
#1 The town is an advertisement for itself; none of its charms are left to the imagination.
#6 All the filth and cooruption of a big city; all the pettiness and insularity of a small town.
Additional hints for #6 -- it's the city that once booed Santa Claus and it was described at the turn of the century as corrupt and contented.
544. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 1:46:53 PM
Since no one has guessed the remaining two, the answers are:
#1 Los Angeles (ironically, Dan Dillon guessed #1 and 5 backwards)
#6 My hometown, Philadelphia
545. ProfEmeritus - 9/23/1999 2:47:59 PM
These low income countries are listed alphabetically. Rank then from lowest to highest per capita income, with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest:
Bangladesh
Cambodia
Ethiopia
Kenya
India
Indonesia
Mexico
Mozambique
Pakistan
Tanzania
I am sure no one will use reference sources. It wouldn't be any fun that way.
546. KuligintheHooligan - 9/23/1999 2:50:07 PM
OK, a fun aside, I hope (this is also in the Spiritual Issues thread).
I'm teaching a Cults class right now to my students. For those of you somewhat offended by the term "cult" I apologize, but it is a good technical term and must be used. Anyway, here's one "short answer" section of a test I am giving them, and I figured it would be fun to throw it in here as well.
OK, for this section the cults we studied were Jehovah's Witnesses, Baha'ism, the Unification Church (the Moonies), Christian Science, and the New Apostolic Church. You may not be familiar with this last one since it is originally from Europe but over 50% of its members are on the African continent.
Each of the following statements could easily be said by one or more of the above cults. For each, name the correct cult:
A) "It is unchristian to believe that pain and sickness are anything but illusions."
B) "There is no literal Hell."
C) "God is not complete unless he is loved."
D) "Dead people still have a chance to be saved."
E) "God has only ONE representative on earth and you must obey *him* to be saved." (2 possible answers, give both of them)
Answers tomorrow!
547. Dusty - 9/23/1999 2:54:29 PM
My guess, no references used:
548. ProfEmeritus - 9/23/1999 3:00:40 PM
Dusty
Your 1,2,3 and 7 are correct. Good start.
549. marjoribanks - 9/23/1999 3:05:51 PM
No reference sources used:
1.Mozambique
2.Ethiopia
3.Tanzania
4.Bangladesh
5. Cambodia
6.Kenya
7. India
8.Pakistan
9. Indonesia
10.Mexico
550. pseudoerasmus - 9/23/1999 3:08:23 PM
Pakistan has a higher per cap income than Hindoooostan.
551. pseudoerasmus - 9/23/1999 3:08:50 PM
Oh, I see, ProfE asked in ascending order.
552. pseudoerasmus - 9/23/1999 3:09:38 PM
Surely Mexico has the highest per cap income in the group.
553. marjoribanks - 9/23/1999 3:13:19 PM
I can see Cambodia and Kenya perhaps switching in my list. But that's about it.
Good quiz ProfE, what's the source?
554. theDiva - 9/23/1999 3:13:36 PM
Vic
Here are my wild and uneducated guesses:
A) "It is unchristian to believe that pain and sickness are anything but illusions." Jehovah's Witnesses
B) "There is no literal Hell." Christian Science
C) "God is not complete unless he is loved." Ba'hai
D) "Dead people still have a chance to be saved." New Apostolic Church
E) "God has only ONE representative on earth and you must obey *him* to be saved." Unification Church; New Apostolic Church
555. glendajean - 9/23/1999 3:17:53 PM
A) Christian Science
556. glendajean - 9/23/1999 3:18:39 PM
E Unification Church (as one choice)
557. glendajean - 9/23/1999 3:19:31 PM
B) Baha'ism
558. glendajean - 9/23/1999 3:20:37 PM
D) would be Mormons if it were on the list.
559. glendajean - 9/23/1999 3:21:49 PM
C) New Apostolic (never heard of them)
560. vonKreedon - 9/23/1999 3:24:12 PM
Repost from Spirituality:
Vic - My informed guesses
A - Christian Science (an interesting version of cult)
B - Jehovah's Witness (yet another interesting version of cult)
C - Baha'i (still yet another interesting version of cult)
D - No idea
E - Unification & New Apostolic
561. ProfEmeritus - 9/23/1999 3:28:41 PM
Pak marj
You didn't give anyone else a chance. You got them all just like that.The source was World Bank data for 1997. I used per capita income unadjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP). Some may object. I will check to see if it would make any difference in the rankings.
Do you think it would? What do you think Pseuder?
562. ProfEmeritus - 9/23/1999 3:52:34 PM
Here are the PPP (GNP per capita measured in PPP) rankings. There are no PPP data for Tanzania and Cambodia.
From lowest to highest:
1. Ethiopia
2. Mozambique
3. Bangladesh
4. Kenya
5. Pakistan
6. India
7. Indonesia
8. Mexico
I will give the actual figures in my next post. Small differences in the actual data may not be significant for rankings; in some cases one might argue that adjacent rankings could be reversed.
563. marjoribanks - 9/23/1999 3:56:11 PM
Pak Gurubesar,
I was just about to post that I didn't think the rankings would change very significantly, given these particular countries.
564. ProfEmeritus - 9/23/1999 4:14:42 PM
Here are the data for 1997 GNP per capita and PPP GNP per capita, both measured in 1997 dollars:
GNP per capita followed by PPP GNP per capita:
1. Mozambique 90; 520
2. Ethiopia 110; 510
3. Tanzania 210; NA
4. Bangladesh 270; 1050
5. Cambodia 300; NA
6. Kenya 330; 1110
7. India 390; 1650
8. Pakistan 490; 1590
9. Indonesia 1110; 3450
10.Mexico 3680; 8120
Source: World Bank, World Development Report, 1998/1999
565. CalGal - 9/23/1999 4:41:18 PM
Okay, I have a weird quiz. If anyone has seen it before, don't spoil it. If you are
taking it for the first time, post your answers in white font. You won't be
able to see them unless you highlight the text, which will reduce the possibility of
people seeing the results before they do the test themselves.
How do I post in white font?
< font color="white" >
Put your answer here
< /font >
Do NOT forget the < /font >!
Practice in the Mote or Playpen and someone will help.
test
Test coming up.
566. Dantheman - 9/23/1999 5:19:18 PM
CalGal,
Half an hour has passed, and I'm going to have to leave soon. Are you posting a quiz?
567. CalGal - 9/23/1999 7:15:38 PM
Lordy. If anyone ever wondered whether I actually work or not, that was proof. Boss came up, made me redesign an entire data model and the bastard wouldn't let me post the quiz first.
Fortunately, it's not time dependent. So here it comes, I swear.
568. CalGal - 9/23/1999 7:16:37 PM
Step 1
Don't scroll down too fast-do it slowly and follow the instructions below exactly, do the math in your head as fast as you can. It may help to say the answers aloud quietly. Follow these instructions one at a time and as quickly as you can.
What is:
2+2?
4+4?
8+8?
16+16?
Quick! Pick a number between 12 and 5.
Write down your answer somewhere and don't change it.
569. CalGal - 9/23/1999 7:18:19 PM
Step 2
Again, as quickly as you can but don't advance until you've done each of them...really. Now, ARROW down (but not too fast, you might miss something)...
What is:
1+5
2+4
3+3
4+2
5+1
Now repeat saying the number 6 to yourself as fast as you can for 15 seconds. Then scroll down.
QUICK!!! THINK OF A VEGETABLE!
Write your answer down
570. CalGal - 9/23/1999 7:20:09 PM
Okay, once you've done your two answers, post them in white font like I said. Those of you who know this already--or how it is supposed to work, don't tell.
571. SnowOwl - 9/23/1999 7:22:41 PM
seven
onion
I have vague memories of doing similar things, but I can't remember how they're supposed to work.
572. CalGal - 9/23/1999 7:28:26 PM
Snow,
Read below with a highlighter.
Cool! You're one of the 2%! More later.
And no one read this until you take the test!
573. ChristinO - 9/23/1999 7:58:52 PM
Okay I got
9
and
Rutebega
But I think I've taken this before and got
Some number I don't remember
and
Carrots
574. CalGal - 9/23/1999 8:01:22 PM
Christin,
Yes, you've taken it before. The other number you got was 7, I'm betting.
Hidden message.
575. ChristinO - 9/23/1999 8:02:39 PM
CG,
Yep, that's what I was just thinking and coming back here to post. I know why the number turns out like it does, but I'm clueless on the vegetable thing.
576. Thoughtful - 9/23/1999 8:16:55 PM
I got:
7 and tomato
I don't get the significance.
577. CalGal - 9/23/1999 8:21:24 PM
Thoughtful,
Hey, me neither. Did you check the highlighted answers of others?
578. Thoughtful - 9/23/1999 8:28:58 PM
Yeah I did. What's the point?
579. Thoughtful - 9/23/1999 8:29:56 PM
Closure, Calgal, I need closure!
580. dusty - 9/23/1999 8:51:00 PM
7
and
onion
581. dusty - 9/23/1999 8:52:26 PM
Hey snow owl!!!
582. SnowOwl - 9/23/1999 9:01:39 PM
Hey dusty, does this make us soul kin of some kind?
583. vonKreedon - 9/23/1999 9:05:34 PM
I got:
six rutabega
584. vonKreedon - 9/23/1999 9:07:06 PM
Cos - Familial vegetable!
585. bubbaette - 9/23/1999 9:12:33 PM
I got
6 okra
Is that right?
586. tmachine - 9/23/1999 11:18:44 PM
Is it because 12 minus 5 is 7?
587. CalGal - 9/23/1999 11:24:44 PM
Tmachine,
Beats me.
It's interesting--according to the person who gave it to me, 98% of all people pick carrots as the vegetable. Nearly everyone picks 7 as the number. I ran the quiz on 10 people at work, they all picked those values, which got spooky after a while.
I've given it to people as an email to read, they were spooked as well by getting the same numbers.
So I've been trying different methods of delivery. Tried it on my dad on the phone, he picked the same values.
Tried it here and there is no where near the uniformity of response.
So it's quite possible that the quiz has to be delivered a certain way for it to give exactly the same response.
I was joking about it being a quiz--there is no right answer.
588. SpenceMirrlees - 9/23/1999 11:32:51 PM
what the hell is this?
My answers:
2*pi, zuchini
589. Nostradamus - 9/23/1999 11:33:01 PM
Forgive me, how does one read a white font?
I got the square root of 121 and torrac.
590. SpenceMirrlees - 9/23/1999 11:35:41 PM
highlight the post
591. SpenceMirrlees - 9/23/1999 11:36:58 PM
Cal,
I wonder what the point is of all the addition. Does it induce significantly different answers than just asking someone to name a number between 12 and 5, and then name a vegetable, without all the arithmetic and incantations? Why don't you do an experiment?
592. CalGal - 9/23/1999 11:42:57 PM
Well, I did do an experiment. This is the first group that didn't get spookily uniform answers. As I said, I think it's something to do with the method of delivery.
I'm going to search the web, see if I can find anything on it.
593. CalGal - 9/23/1999 11:47:10 PM
Okay, I found this version of the second question, which is how it was sent to me in email. If anyone hasn't taken it yet, try this link and then come back and post results. That would be consistent with the way I sent it off to friends in email and they all got the same results. (or they said they did, anyway.)
594. CalGal - 9/23/1999 11:51:33 PM
Actually, here are both together.
This is how it was given to me, and how the email was sent to me.
So anyone who comes late, use the link instead of the stuff I posted.
595. cmboyce - 9/24/1999 12:04:12 AM
I got 7 & brocolli, but I can't imagine that it means much. I don't mind the on-line revelation that my brain is warped, I just don't see why this should be any indicator of it.
596. SpenceMirrlees - 9/24/1999 12:06:12 AM
well, I said you should do an experiment on whether the answers are similar with and without all the arithmetic prelude or not. Presumably, in all the different places you've administered this quiz, you've done all the arithmetic before asking the questions.
597. CalGal - 9/24/1999 12:10:30 AM
CM,
Heavens, me neither. I don't think you're warped.
Spence,
Oh, I see. Interesting. I shall try that tomorrow.
598. ProfEmeritus - 9/24/1999 12:16:54 AM
CalGal
I did the exercise from the link and the answers I gave were 3 and zucchini. What gives?
599. CalGal - 9/24/1999 12:22:58 AM
Prof,
Beats me. I posted it here to see what would happen. As I said above, when I sent it out on email and did it in person, people gave the same answers with regularity that become unnerving. Since this is a completely different medium, I thought I'd try it here.
600. Nostradamus - 9/24/1999 12:36:55 AM
3 is between 12 and 5? I hope you weren't a Math professor.
601. CalGal - 9/24/1999 12:42:14 AM
Nos,
Hey. Yeah. Prof, what's up with that?
602. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/24/1999 12:42:59 AM
I was about to make the same comment as Nostradamus. I would guess the percentage of the population that says "3" is low indeed.
Cal:
A couple of guesses as to why it works. You are asked to pick a number between "12 and 5." This very strange way of wording the question leads me to suspect people are thinking "12 minus 5" and getting "7."
Seeing your e-mail versions gives me another thought as well: all those arrows may make people think of carrots. That might explain why nobody here chose carrots. Except me, that is. I came up with "8 carrots."
603. CalGal - 9/24/1999 12:50:02 AM
What's so funny is that I'm completely accustomed, by now, to people getting different values. So I didn't even question it. Prof got 3. Right. Kay, on to the next. No error checking.
You came up with 8, then, by adding the numbers up instead?
Did it feel like you chose it randomly?
604. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/24/1999 12:55:53 AM
Not really randomly. I have a preference for even numbers, and I often choose "8" when I have to choose a number.
605. EricCartman - 9/24/1999 12:56:42 AM
I came up with 8 and carrots also. Spooky, ain't it Irv?
Carrots are just about the only vegetable I can stand to eat, so I actually have a practical reason for that one. I don't know about the 8; I would guess it came from adding up all those even numbers at first.
606. CalGal - 9/24/1999 12:59:37 AM
Hmm. This is very cool. I have no idea what it all means, though.
607. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/24/1999 12:59:40 AM
Cart:
It must be the sign of a superior mind.
(Unlike choosing "3" for a number between 12 and 5.)
608. CalGal - 9/24/1999 1:02:26 AM
The only thing I can think of that is constant among the people I asked today (other than Mote members) is that they are all systems folk.
And they are all Californians, but Christin and Cartman have blown that streak.
Irv,
As for the "carrots" on the page--I did this verbally with ten people, and they all said carrots. And 7.
609. CalGal - 9/24/1999 1:03:40 AM
But then there is my dad. He is not only not a system folk, I don't think he would be able to figure 12-5 that quick. He hates math.
Hmm. Maybe I thought the number at him. (Speaking of goofy California ideas...)
610. EricCartman - 9/24/1999 1:10:23 AM
Irv:
My superior mind eminently agrees with your own. I think ProfE may have been throwing a curve ball; it's always fun to watch folks do a little head-scratching.
611. Dusty - 9/24/1999 8:56:15 AM
Nostradamus
Forgive me, how does one read a white font?
If "highlight the answer" isn't obvious, then here's an alternative answer:
Hold the left mouse button down, while passing the mouse over the answer.
612. theDiva - 9/24/1999 9:09:02 AM
Cal
I got 7 and pickle. What do you suppose this means?
613. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/24/1999 9:28:07 AM
Pickles are vegetables?
614. DanDillon - 9/24/1999 9:35:24 AM
Ooooooo! Secret decoder messages! Funnnn! 615. theDiva - 9/24/1999 9:42:53 AM Irv 616. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/24/1999 9:43:20 AM Dan: 617. theDiva - 9/24/1999 9:43:22 AM
What can I say? It's the first thing that came to mind?
Check out my latest post in International, just for you!
DAN!!!!!!
618. Dusty - 9/24/1999 9:43:30 AM
theDiva
It means you are pregnant
619. theDiva - 9/24/1999 9:44:18 AM
BITE
YOUR TONGUE!!!!!620. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/24/1999 9:45:56 AM
I think Dusty's on to something.
621. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 9:46:58 AM
Irving,
Is it Diva's tongue?
622. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/24/1999 9:55:26 AM
DanTM:
Nah, she woulda said "Bite my tongue."
623. theDiva - 9/24/1999 10:00:27 AM
Nah, I'd have said 'Bite me.'
624. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:38:28 AM
Time for another quiz, generally easier than yesterday's (if not less vitriolic). Name the 20th century U.S. President who was described as follows:
1. A chameleon on plaid.
2. [He] proves the old adage that any man can become president of the United States.
3. When [he] attends a wedding, he wants to be the bride, and when he attends a funeral, he wants to be the corpse.
4. The air currents of the world never ventilated his brain.
5. So shockingly dumb that by his very presence in the office he numbs an entire country.
6. Every woman's first husband.
7. Said by his mother -- sometimes when I look at my children, I say to myself, "[name omitted], you should have stayed a virgin."
8. As an intellectual he bestowed upon the games of golf and bridge all the enthusiasm and perserverance that he withheld from books and ideas.
4 democrats and 4 republicans.
625. KuligintheHooligan - 9/24/1999 10:41:42 AM
Great answers on the little quiz on cults, from both threads. Here's the answers:
"It is unchristian to believe that pain and sickness are anything but illusions." CHRISTIAN SCIENCE
"There is no literal Hell." JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
"Dead people still have a chance to be saved." NEW APOSTOLIC CHURCH (and MORMONS too as someone said, although not a valid answer for this quiz)
"God is not complete unless he is loved." the MOONIES (UNIFICATION CHURCH)
"God has only ONE representative on earth and you must obey him to be saved." (NEW APOSTOLIC CHURCH and the MOONIES)
626. Bubbaette - 9/24/1999 10:43:00 AM
3. Ross Perot
6. George Bush Sr.
627. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:44:21 AM
Bubbaette,
6 is right. 3 is not, as the questions are limited to presidents, and not candidates.
628. Bubbaette - 9/24/1999 10:45:33 AM
8. Ike?
629. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:48:03 AM
Bubbaette,
8 is indeed Ike. Once when he was playing bridge, he failed to make a contract. He said that was the only time anyone had ever set a President (some bridge humor).
630. theDiva - 9/24/1999 10:50:12 AM
2. Harry S. Truman?
631. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:51:26 AM
Diva,
#2 is indeed the man from Independence.
632. Bubbaette - 9/24/1999 10:52:50 AM
#3 -- LBJ?
633. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:53:37 AM
Bubbaette #632
No.
634. Bubbaette - 9/24/1999 10:54:24 AM
Dern. I thought it might be a Texas thang.
635. theDiva - 9/24/1999 10:55:43 AM
Hot diggity. I am emboldened.
3. Bill Clinton?
636. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:55:59 AM
The quiz is at post 624. #2, 6 and 8 have been correctly guessed.
637. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:57:04 AM
Diva,
#3 is not our current President.
638. theDiva - 9/24/1999 10:57:48 AM
Aw phooey.
639. theDiva - 9/24/1999 10:58:08 AM
1. Bill Clinton?
640. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 10:59:44 AM
Diva #639,
No but it fits. Actually, the book where I got these quotes was written before he took office, so he is not the right answer for any of them.
641. theDiva - 9/24/1999 11:02:48 AM
Hmmmm.....I suppose I've now revealed my high opinion of our current President.
642. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 11:05:17 AM
Diva,
Not really. I have a decent opinion of both Clinton and the right answers to #1 and #3.
643. theDiva - 9/24/1999 11:12:25 AM
(snickering)
Well, I'll take another stab at 'em.
Recap, first:
1. A chameleon on plaid.
2. [He] proves the old adage that any man can become president of the United States. - Harry S. Truman, Democrat
3. When [he] attends a wedding, he wants to be the bride, and when he attends a funeral, he wants to be the corpse.
4. The air currents of the world never ventilated his brain.
5. So shockingly dumb that by his very presence in the office he numbs an entire country.
6. Every woman's first husband. - George Bush, Republican
7. Said by his mother -- sometimes when I look at my children, I say to myself, "[name omitted], you should have stayed a virgin."
8. As an intellectual he bestowed upon the games of golf and bridge all the enthusiasm and perserverance that he withheld from books and ideas. - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Republican
So that leaves 2 Republicans and 3 Democrats to fill in on 1, 3, 4, 5, and 7. Hmmmmm......
644. theDiva - 9/24/1999 11:13:16 AM
4. Reagan
5. Ford
I'm making wild-ass guesses here, as if you couldn't tell.
645. glendajean - 9/24/1999 11:14:20 AM
Is #5 Warren G. Harding?
646. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 11:16:05 AM
Diva #644/glendajean #645
all incorrect.
647. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 11:16:47 AM
Diva,
Thanks for the re-post. If no more correct answers by 11:30 EDT, I'll post some hints.
648. theDiva - 9/24/1999 11:17:36 AM
Well, time for me to fall on my sword. Never will I live the shame down......my reputation as an intellectual is ruined! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
649. glendajean - 9/24/1999 11:18:44 AM
#3 sounds like something LBJ would have said about somebody else.
650. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 11:21:26 AM
glendajean,
No, but I almost included a quote by LBJ on Ford "He is so dumb he can't fart and chew gum at the same time."
651. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 11:25:31 AM
Some early hints, as I am going into a short meeting
#3 was said by his daughter.
#1 was said by his predecessor (sour grapes, IMHO)
652. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 12:00:24 PM
I'm back.
More hints:
#7 -- how many Presidents had a mother living while he was President? I can only think of 3, and Clinton is not covered.
#5 was siad by Jimmy Breslin
653. glendajean - 9/24/1999 12:05:08 PM
FDR & Jimmy Carter's mothers were alive when they were in office. Who's the third?
Truman and Eisenhower had mother-in-laws at the White House, didn't they?
654. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 12:06:24 PM
glendajean,
I was not aware of FDR. The others are Kennedy and Clinton. The right answer is within that pool.
655. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 12:15:57 PM
The quiz, with correct answers to date is at 643. Hints at 651 and 652.
656. Macnas - 9/24/1999 12:17:33 PM
#3 was said about Teddy Roosevelt,
Although I thought it was his son,Nicholas, who said it, didnt he write a book called "a front row seat"??
657. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 12:19:21 PM
Macnas,
#3 is correct, but it was said by his daughter, Alice Roosevelt Longworth, who also said about Coolidge that "He looked as if he was weaned on a pickle."
658. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 12:30:10 PM
I have some lunch time errands to run. I'll grade any answers when I return.
659. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 1:51:05 PM
I'm back!!
660. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 2:11:55 PM
The remaining answers:
#1. FDR
#4. Woodrow Wilson
#5. Ronald Reagan
#7, Jimmy Carter
661. theDiva - 9/24/1999 2:34:28 PM
The recap:
1. A chameleon on plaid. - FDR
2. [He] proves the old adage that any man can become president of the United States. - Harry S. Truman
3. When [he] attends a wedding, he wants to be the bride, and when he attends a funeral, he wants to be the corpse. - TR
4. The air currents of the world never ventilated his brain. - Woodrow Wilson
5. So shockingly dumb that by his very presence in the office he numbs an entire country. - Ronald Reagan
6. Every woman's first husband. - George Bush
7. Said by his mother -- sometimes when I look at my children, I say to myself, "[name omitted], you should have stayed a virgin." - Jimmy Carter
8. As an intellectual he bestowed upon the games of golf and bridge all the enthusiasm and perserverance that he withheld from books and ideas. - Dwight D. Eisenhower
662. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 2:36:08 PM
Thanks, Diva.
663. theDiva - 9/24/1999 2:38:09 PM
CalGal would probably tell you that the 'J' in me made me do that. (g)
664. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 2:41:33 PM
Diva,
Which "J" is in you? Surely you don't use controlled substances?
665. theDiva - 9/24/1999 2:45:46 PM
hahaha!
No, Cal has this whole Meyers-Briggs/Keirsey thing on one of her websites; I took the test, and apparently am very, very J.
666. DocBrown - 9/24/1999 2:51:26 PM
Spned you weekend pondering this short quiz about some of DocBrown's favorite movies:
1) What masterpiece opens and closes with a few lines of narration by a minor character named Jack Ridley?
2) In what movie does the color 'Waltz Blue' become a factor in the story?
3) Where was The Third Man when he died?
4) Ace in the Hole and The Big Carnival are two titles of the same movie. Whose real life story was the inspiration for its plot? (The movie even mentions his name).
5) In the opening scene, a wonderful visual gag connects Steven Spielberg's Back to the Future with Stanley Kubrick's Doctor Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. What is that subtle gag?
667. Dantheman - 9/24/1999 2:54:38 PM
#3 Vienna, I think
668. DocBrown - 9/24/1999 3:10:24 PM
More specific please, Dantheman.
669. AceofSpades - 9/24/1999 6:17:43 PM
3) Where was The Third Man when he died? -- The sewers of Vienna
5) In the opening scene, a wonderful visual gag connects Steven Spielberg's Back to the Future with Stanley Kubrick's Doctor Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. What is that subtle gag? --Hmmmm... this is a tough one. A bunch of clocks ticking in dead sync? That's how Back to the Future opens (the director is R. Zemekis, however, not Speilberg, who produced), though I don't get the connection to Strangelove.
670. AceofSpades - 9/24/1999 6:21:46 PM
...there was also a Rube-Goldbergesque contraption which made toast and dumped dog food into a bowl for Einstein. Did strangelove open like that? I don't remember that.
What movie opens with Michael ("Mr. Blonde") Madsen in a nuclear missile silo, ultimately pulling a gun on his superior officer and demanding, "Sir, will you please turn your missile key, sir?!"
671. CalGal - 9/24/1999 7:03:24 PM
1) ) What masterpiece opens and closes with a few lines of narration by a minor character named Jack Ridley?
The name Jack Ridley rings no immediate bells. But your use of the word "masterpiece" gives it away. That makes it The Right Stuff, in the Doc Brown lexicon. Which would make it Levon Helm, playing Chuck Yeager's pal. Who, I suppose, is named Jack Ridley.
672. ChristinO - 9/24/1999 7:50:46 PM
Ace,
War Games
673. joezan - 9/25/1999 10:26:13 PM
OK, I've kept you all in suspense long enough - the answer is "Play Misty For Me".
You may all go back to your lives now.
674. Angel-Five - 9/26/1999 7:06:45 PM
Son Of The Common Threads Quiz:
1) rabbits, lions, Russians
2) drum, barrel, crescent
3) wagers, bridges, accidents
4) islands, ambulances, stages
5) neptune, anvil, torch
6) keys, generals, constellations
7) man, black, key
8) nose, flip, pike
9) poems, dogs, yardsticks
10) sinister, none, tab
11) plum, peacock, green
12) Calcutta, Saigon, London
8)
675. CoralReef - 9/26/1999 7:37:45 PM
1) The females do all the work?
11) Clue/Cluedo characters.
676. joezan - 9/26/1999 8:00:03 PM
2 - Rolls
677. CalGal - 9/26/1999 8:01:15 PM
Joe--actually, I thought long and hard about that damn question, but never could figure it out. Thanks for posting the answer.
678. SnowOwl - 9/26/1999 8:03:51 PM
#7. holes
679. joezan - 9/26/1999 8:09:55 PM
Cal:
Yea, well, with that I'm about spent.
680. Angel-Five - 9/26/1999 8:20:56 PM
11, 2, and 7 are correct. 1 gets a hearty hahahaha.
681. joezan - 9/26/1999 8:24:39 PM
8) Dives?
682. Angel-Five - 9/26/1999 8:26:28 PM
Si.
683. joezan - 9/26/1999 9:57:20 PM
9) I can't make the precise connection here, but poems have feet, dogs are slang for feet, and there are three feet in a yard.
684. CoralReef - 9/26/1999 10:00:48 PM
IF it was just yardstick and poem I'd have answered meter for that one, Joe. But the dog? Hmmm. Maybe you're right with the "feet" answer, at least it fits all three.
685. Angel-Five - 9/26/1999 10:48:34 PM
The original common thread was 'things that have feet'.
686. Angel-Five - 9/26/1999 10:50:14 PM
I didn't even make the 'dogs'=feet connection -- the original quiz question might as well have been 'poems, yardsticks, and CoralReef'.
687. CoralReef - 9/26/1999 10:54:32 PM
I push myself along on a little wheeled board.
688. SnowOwl - 9/27/1999 1:42:21 AM
#5 WW2 naval landings
689. Angel-Five - 9/27/1999 1:49:56 AM
...
I'm sending my kids to school in NZ.
You are correct, sir.
690. SnowOwl - 9/27/1999 1:52:54 AM
Sir???? Make that Ma'am, Sir!
691. SnowOwl - 9/27/1999 2:01:22 AM
Aha,
I think I've got this one.
#10 bar
692. Angel-Five - 9/27/1999 2:39:33 AM
Ma'am it is. I hate it when I do that.
10 is correct.
693. Angel-Five - 9/27/1999 2:41:48 AM
1, 3, 4, 6, and 12 to go. And 12 is a little unfair, so think of it as bonus points.
694. SnowOwl - 9/27/1999 5:53:01 AM
I'm having a couple of wild guesses before I go to bed.
#6 major
#12 West End
695. Angel-Five - 9/27/1999 5:57:50 AM
Major is correct. (Ursa Major, G Major, and Major General)
696. Dantheman - 9/27/1999 1:41:19 PM
#12 City names within play titles?
697. DocBrown - 9/27/1999 2:37:46 PM
3) suspensions
698. DocBrown - 9/27/1999 2:39:36 PM
1) White? (assuming you gre up watching 'Kimba the White Lion', as I did).
699. DocBrown - 9/27/1999 2:41:42 PM
4) curtain (assuming you are up on obscure U.S. Navy code lingo).
700. DocBrown - 9/27/1999 2:50:16 PM
Over the weekend Ace of Spades nailed one of my movie questions and CalGal nailed another one. The Third Man died in the sewers beneath Vienna, and Jack Ridley narrated the opening and closing scene of The Right Stuff.
Ace of Spades had some good guesses for the Back to the Future salute to Doctor Strangelove but the truth is even better. In the opening scene of BTTF Marty McFly plugs his electric guitar into an absurd amplifier invented by Doc Brown. That amplifier is clearly marked CRM 114. In Doctor Strangelove, CRM 114 was the name of the device that prevented the bomber of receiving its recall signal, thus causing the end of the world.
Other answers:
Waltz Blue was a color that was planned for Tucker automobiles in Tucker: The Man and his Dream.
Ace in the Hole aka The Big Carnival was based on the true story of famous spelunker Floyd Collins.
701. glendajean - 9/27/1999 3:10:43 PM
re: Floyd Collins.
The movie starred Kirk Douglas and was set in New Mexico. The actual event took place in Kentucky. There's a musical-quasi opera called Floyd Collins that was written by Richard Rogers' grandson.
702. JJBiener - 9/27/1999 3:15:35 PM
Since we are on the topic of movie trivia:
The opening scenes of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom have a couple of visual references to ealier George Lucas films. What were the references?
703. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:19:47 PM
JJ, I really should know this. Can you be any more specific? When you say "early scenes," do you mean the Shanghai teaser? Or are you extending "early scenes" up to the airplane sequence and arrival at the Indian village?
If you narrow it a bit, I can probably get it. I think.
704. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:22:58 PM
JJ:
One thing I can tell you is that Dan Aykroyd makes a brief, barely on-screen cameo as Indy boards the plane out of Shanghai. Though I can't see how that can be a visual reference to anything. Unless one of Lucas' earlier films featured an overweight Polish guy.
705. Angel-Five - 9/27/1999 3:23:05 PM
DTM is right with 12 and Doc with 1.
706. JJBiener - 9/27/1999 3:23:33 PM
Ace - The scenes I am thinking of occur in Shanghai before the "escape" by plane.
707. JJBiener - 9/27/1999 3:25:42 PM
Ace - No. I don't even recall seeing Ackroyd in that scene.
708. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:25:49 PM
Wild guesses-- somehow Short Round driving the car is a reference to American Grafitti. And somehow the "Anything Goes" musical number is a reference to some musical Lucas did, though I can't remember him doing any.
709. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:26:50 PM
JJ:
A British man walks Indy to the plane (a long shot-- you can't see his face) telling Indy this plane will take you to wherever. It's clearly Dan Ackroyd's voice.
710. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:29:04 PM
confirmation on Ackroyd from IMDB:
Cast overview, first billed only:
Harrison Ford .... Indiana Jones
Kate Capshaw .... Willie Scott
Amrish Puri .... Mola Ram
Roshan Seth .... Chattar Lal
Philip Stone (I) .... Captain Blumburtt
Roy Chiao .... Lao Che
Jonathan Ke Quan .... Short Round
David Yip .... Wu Han
Ric Young .... Kao Kan
Chua Kah Joo .... Chen
Rex Ngui .... Maitre d'
Philip Tan .... Chief Henchman
Dan Aykroyd .... Weber
Dr. Akio Mitamura .... Chinese Pilot
Michael Yama .... Chinese Co-Pilot
711. JJBiener - 9/27/1999 3:37:26 PM
Ace - Interesting info about Ackroyd. I am going to have to look for him next time I see the movie. You are right that the references involve the club and the car, but the references are far more obvious than your guesses.
I'll give everyone a couple more minutes before I reveal the answer.
712. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:45:18 PM
Interesting trivia about Indiana Jones:
Lucas, who created the Indy character, created him because he'd always wanted to do a James Bond movie. So he patterned Indy partly after James Bond, with obvious differences.
But Lucas wanted the character even closer to Bond than he was ultimately portrayed on screen. Lucas' conception of Indy was that he was a tuxedo-wearing, nightclub-hopping, idle-rich-type dashing playboy who used his fortune-hunting, mercenary-like, to finance his extravagant lifestyle. Both Spielberg and Harrison Ford were less than enthused about this (rather cheesey) notion, so they argued that Indy should be a fairly conventional university archeologist, and they ultimately prevailed.
I saw an interview with Lucas, however, where he said that Indy is STILL a tuxedo-wearing James-Bondish playboy at night, "but I just don't bother putting those scenes in the movie. But in my head, I know that's what he's doing at night, and I know that's what he's really all about."
The Shanghai teaser in Temple of Doom is the closest we come to
seeing that version of Indy.
713. Angel-Five - 9/27/1999 3:46:20 PM
They're in Club Obi Wan, they shoot each other at the table with hidden guns, what else?
714. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:47:59 PM
Club Obi-Wan. Of course. I knew that.
715. Raskolnikov - 9/27/1999 3:49:03 PM
The scene with the bad guy in the club parallels some of the Jabba scenes in ROTJ, with Short Round sort of in the R2D2 role. I vaguelyo recall one or two others that jumped out at me at the time, but I haven't seen the opening to Temple of Doom in over a decade.
716. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 3:51:15 PM
Nah. R2D2 was in the back of the X-Wing; Short Round was driving. Where Luke would be.
717. DocBrown - 9/27/1999 3:59:50 PM
I think AceofSpades is onto something with Short Round driving the car. Many Lucas movies have used cars and chase scenes as important story elements. American Grafitti, THX-1138, 1:42:08: A Man and His Car, Tucker: The Man and His Dream (filmed after Temple of Doom). Lucas also worked on Herbie.
It would be easy for him to fit in an automotive visual references to ealier George Lucas films, but I connot picture one right now.
718. Raskolnikov - 9/27/1999 4:02:07 PM
Ace: no, not the driving scene. The club scene. Isn't Short Round hanging around the club in disguise, ready to help Indy at a key moment, unknown to the gangster? I seem to recall that scene reminding me of R2's role on Jabba's yacht.
719. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:03:33 PM
|Rask:
No, he's waiting in the car.
720. JonesAtLaw - 9/27/1999 4:04:39 PM
The licence plate on Milner's car in American Graffiti was THX 1138, does anyone recall the plate on the Auburn Shortround was driving?
721. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:05:15 PM
... Indy has a Chinese ally at the club, disguised as a waiter, who gets shot through the heart by a gun hidden in a napkin (I think). That's not Short Round.
If we're counting "people who get shot in the chest" as visual references, we're probably going to have a lot of them.
722. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:06:33 PM
"THX 1138" is also mentioned as the detention area in which Princess Leia is imprisioned in Star Wars.
Which is not responsive to the question, I know.
723. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:16:09 PM
Hmmmmm... Tom Stoppard was an uncredited writer on "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade."
The things you learn on IMDB.
724. JJBiener - 9/27/1999 4:20:04 PM
The license plate on the car Short Round was driving was THX-1138. The name of Club Obi-Wan was the other one I was refering to. There are probably more, but those were the most obvious ones to me.
725. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:32:18 PM
Good call, Jones.
726. Raskolnikov - 9/27/1999 4:35:54 PM
OK, I guess I am not remembering the film very well.
and in Star Wars, Leia's cell block is "1138". the "THX" prefix is only mentioned in the novelization and screenplay. (just to prove that I can be a movie geek)
727. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:37:19 PM
Actually, I think her cell block is AA-23 or something. It's the detention area (or something) that's 1138.
728. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:40:06 PM
In Star Wars, how many times does Han call Princess Leia "Leia"?
In Star Wars, how many times does Princess Leia call Han Solo "Han" or "Solo"?
In Return of the Jedi, how many times is the word "Ewok" spoken?
729. JJBiener - 9/27/1999 4:43:02 PM
Ace -
1. None
2. None
3. None
730. AceofSpades - 9/27/1999 4:46:40 PM
Of course, that's correct.
I love Solo calling Leia "Your Worshipfulness."
731. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 8:59:20 AM
I read the novelization of Star Wars when I was about twelve. As I recall, THX-1138 was the I.D. number of the Stormtrooper that Luke and Han bushwacked aboard the Death Star. After they got his uniform, THX-1138's supervisor called on the radio "THX-1138, why aren't you at your post?"
In the movie version, that Stormtrooper's I.D. is TK-224 or something like that.
732. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 9:57:54 AM
I've got some Tri-Bond style questions. They'll be posted within five minutes.
733. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 10:07:36 AM
I think the Tri-Bond style of quiz is pretty nifty. Here are some fresh questions. For the last question I supplied six instead of three, because it is more subtle, but it is possible to answer it with any subset of those six in any order.
1) a rearing horse, a kicking bull, the head of a trident
2) a boxer, a bridge, silence
3) Elan, Elite, Esprit
4) Almaz, Foton, Zond
5) "That's just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs!" , "Shocking! Positively shocking!" , "Well, you'd be surprised the amount of wear and tear that goes on out there in the field."
6) Grand Duchess Gloriana XII, Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake, Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau
7) Robert Blake, George McFarland, Billie Thomas
8) 14, 24, 44, 11, 68, 28
When in doubt, remember that I like to ask questions about automobiles.
734. Dantheman - 9/28/1999 10:09:10 AM
#6 roles played by Peter Sellers
735. Dantheman - 9/28/1999 10:10:07 AM
#2 nouns in the title of Simon and Garfunkel songs?
736. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:11:57 AM
2) Subjects in songs by Simon and Garfunkel
5) james Bond quotes
737. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:13:01 AM
3) Lotus models?
4) Russian automobile models?
738. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:14:45 AM
1) a rearing horse, a kicking bull, the head of a trident -- Things that hurt when they hit your genitals
But seriously. Car logos?
739. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:15:23 AM
7) Little Rascals?
740. Bubbaette - 9/28/1999 10:30:57 AM
#3 -- words beginning with the letter "E"
741. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 10:31:12 AM
#1) Be more specific, Ace
#2) Ace had what I wanted: Simon & Garfunkel subjects
#3) Ace got it: Lotus models
#4) Close, but wrong
#5) Need more specific answer
#6) Dantheman nailed it: Peter Sellers roles
#7) Ace got it: Little Rascals' real names
#8) still available Hint 1: the numbers are NOT years
1, 5, and 8 still available . . .
742. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 10:31:55 AM
oops, 4 is available, too
743. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:39:45 AM
#1) Logos of British cars
744. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:40:15 AM
5) Quotes in Goldfinger
745. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 10:44:57 AM
5 is right! Bond said those lines in Goldfinger.
1 is wrong, but you're on the right track.
746. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 10:48:24 AM
#8 hint 2: the two digit numbers are meaningless, but if you attach one more digit to each of them they will have meaning. All six need the same digit.
747. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:50:56 AM
8) Models of Porches, when you ad a "9"
748. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 10:51:05 AM
Porsches
749. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 11:07:32 AM
Ace: Bingo on question #8! Add a 9, and they all become Porsches.
That question was much harder than #1 and #4. You should be able to get them, too.
750. CalGal - 9/28/1999 1:12:34 PM
4) Foton and Zond are satellites, aren't they?
751. AceofSpades - 9/28/1999 1:14:59 PM
1) HOOD ORNAMENTS on cars?
Cal:
Hi.
752. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 1:56:41 PM
CalGal and Ace: between the two of you you pretty much got #4. Almaz, Foton, and Zond were all Russian space probes.
Ace, #1 clues are not hood ornaments. You are no closer, but you are still on the right track..
Hint on question #1: These emblems all adorn cars that have something special in common with each other.
753. theDiva - 9/28/1999 2:14:40 PM
#1 - they all adorn Italian cars.
Ferrari has the horse, Lamborghini has the bull, and Maserati has the trident.
754. DocBrown - 9/28/1999 2:48:34 PM
Diva! Naturally it would be you who held the key to the sexiest question in the quiz! You're such a class act.
Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Maserati. Three marques of gorgeous Italian speed steeds.
755. theDiva - 9/28/1999 3:17:07 PM
Thank you, dear.
You all may now toss rose petals at my feet.
756. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:00:13 PM
More Tri-bond:
1. Spray, oil, horse
2. Lock, stock, barrel
3. Barbara Bush, John F. Kennedy, Queen Elizabeth
4. Beglian, Quarter, Paint
5. King, Emperor, Little Blue
757. Dantheman - 9/28/1999 4:02:51 PM
#2 parts of a rifle
758. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:03:50 PM
4. Horses
759. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:04:04 PM
5. Crabs
760. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 4:04:42 PM
#5 They're all penguins
761. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:06:39 PM
Dantheman- 2 is right- parts of a rifle or musket
Diva is right about 4-types of horses, but 5 is not right.
762. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:07:19 PM
Snowowl is correct- No. 5 is penguins!
763. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:07:53 PM
3. Descendants of Queen Victoria. Or George Washington. Maybe.
764. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:08:21 PM
No fair, Snowowl lives closer to the South Pole than I do. (g)
765. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:09:04 PM
Deev, nope no. 3 has nothing to do with human genetics.
766. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 4:10:09 PM
#3 They've all got the same birth sign, perhaps.
diva, and it's only fair that now and again I get a question I can answer.
767. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:12:00 PM
heeheehee....
768. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:12:01 PM
I don't know the zodiac signs for number 3, so that's not what I'm thinking of.
769. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:12:49 PM
Wait, which Queen Elizabeth? I or II?
770. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:13:05 PM
A hint, one of the answers is a hint for another one.
771. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:13:51 PM
Queen Elizabeth II.
772. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:15:54 PM
oh, okay. Allow me to cogitate on that for a minute.
773. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 4:16:31 PM
#1 Hair
774. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:18:00 PM
Dag nab it, it's not birth year, is it? For #3. This is a toughie.
775. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:18:35 PM
SnowOwl- I guess that works as well, but I'm looking for something else. This is the one with a hint in another answer.
776. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 4:20:57 PM
Speaking of penguins, just 10 minutes' drive from where I live we have
a breeding colony of yellow-eyed penguins, which are on the verge of extinction. There are great efforts being made to save them, but the unusual weather patterns we've been having recently have really mucked up their breeding cycles.
777. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:22:58 PM
Diva- No- here's more for the list as a hint:
Ingrid Bergman, Abraham Lincoln,
778. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 4:27:06 PM
They could all be roses. Or they might all be lefthanded.
779. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:28:34 PM
SnowOwl- right again, all hybrid teas named for famous persons.
780. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:35:20 PM
Snow, do you really live near penguins?!?!?! That is so amazing.
781. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 4:37:01 PM
The answer for no 1 is paints.
782. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 4:41:48 PM
Diva,
It's just as amazing to me when I see people talking about squirrels, and groundhogs and raccoons and so on. They always sound so exotic.
I subscribe to a rose newgroup and I was green with envy when somebody wrote of an armadillo in their garden.
Yes, we have our penguins, lots of seals and our biggest claim to fame, the only mainland breeding colony of Royal Albatrosses in the world, all within 10 minutes away from where I live (and I live in the heart of what we fondly consider to be a city).
783. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 4:42:37 PM
I'd never have got that one, Jones. Good quiz.
784. theDiva - 9/28/1999 4:44:12 PM
Snow
You'd love my mom's country house, then. Deer, penguins, chipmunks....an amazing place.
785. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 5:42:52 PM
SnowOwl- You're in New Zealand?
786. SnowOwl - 9/28/1999 6:03:17 PM
Jones, yes, I'm in Dunedin, which is a small city on the south-east coast of the South Island.
Diva, your Mum's country place sounds great (how does she have penguins?)/
787. JonesAtLaw - 9/28/1999 6:22:38 PM
SnowOwl- When my father was a young man, he worked on a crew of door to door salesmen in western Canada. They were a mixed lot. One from Ireland, one from New Zealand, one from the US and a Canadian. They spent a lot of time traveling from town to town in a big Hudson sedan. Needless to say, they had lots of time to tell stories, and had many adventures as young men just away from home tend to do. He told me many of them, some involving the tales of New Zealand. In college, I trained to be a social studies teacher. Lots of geography and history, most of it focused on American and British Empire history. I'm still facinated by your country. It's the world in two islands as far as geography goes. Someday, I'll see it for myself.
788. cmboyce - 9/29/1999 12:33:08 AM
Jones: what's horse paint?
789. joezan - 9/29/1999 12:43:58 AM
cmboyce:
You've got it backward.
790. SharonSchroeder - 9/29/1999 1:52:10 AM
Hi
791. ee - 9/29/1999 1:53:22 AM
Hi Sharon welcome to the Mote :-)
792. SharonSchroeder - 9/29/1999 1:57:50 AM
Hi, ee... I used to be on the Fray so I thought I'd check this out.
793. ee - 9/29/1999 1:58:52 AM
Do you have any questions Sharon?
794. ee - 9/29/1999 2:00:11 AM
This is a lot like the fray only way better to use. A lot of the same people are here.
795. SharonSchroeder - 9/29/1999 2:01:35 AM
I recognize a few of the names from my old fray days. I suppose its alot more active around here during the day.
796. ee - 9/29/1999 2:03:36 AM
Yes its pretty dead this time of night. I think as it grows that will change though.It's still new.Tell your friends
797. SharonSchroeder - 9/29/1999 2:04:31 AM
I recognize a few of the names from my old fray days. I suppose its alot more active around here during the day.
798. SharonSchroeder - 9/29/1999 2:05:06 AM
How the heck did I do that??? Sorry!
799. SharonSchroeder - 9/29/1999 2:08:11 AM
I'm gonna call it a night. It was nice to meet you ee... thanks for the welcome.
800. Macnas - 9/29/1999 3:57:33 AM
Its SharonSchroeder!! how the hell are you girl?? Nice to see you here.
801. Rick Nowood - 9/29/1999 7:29:38 PM
The title of this thread reminded me of the Bottichelli games we used to play in The Fray.
Rick Norwood
www.io.com/~norwoodr
802. DanDillon - 9/29/1999 7:32:40 PM
Poor people have it.
Rich people need it.
What is it?
803. Rick Nowood - 9/29/1999 7:44:19 PM
Heart.
Rick Norwood
www.io.com/~norwoodr
804. dusty - 9/29/1999 7:49:51 PM
DanDillon
My niece asked me this when I was in California, adding that, in a poll of elementary scholl children, the majority could guess it correctly, but university trained people did poorer. It took me a day, but I finally figured it out.
Spoiler:
Nothing
805. Angel-Five - 9/29/1999 7:50:58 PM
Lucy babes. Que the hell pasa?
806. DanDillon - 9/29/1999 7:51:27 PM
A good answer, Rick. But not the right one.
dusty,
Thanks for not spoiling it.
807. DocBrown - 9/30/1999 9:57:59 AM
DanDillon, it is 'nothing.'
808. DocBrown - 9/30/1999 9:59:46 AM
Took me almost a day, but I see from dusty's spoiler that I was right. Woo hoo!
809. DanDillon - 9/30/1999 10:07:49 AM
Doc,
Yep. A testament to your intuition and learning.
810. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 12:47:59 PM
In an attempt to get wake up this place, I'll try a quiz. This is a fill in the blank one, asking the eMoters out there to finish some of my favorite quotes (2 words for each, unless noted):
1. Said by Sir Thomas Beecham to a lady cellist "Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands -- and all you can do is ________."
2. George Bernard Shaw "If you eliminate smoking and gambling, you will be amazed to find that almost all an Englishman's pleasures can be, and mostly are, shared by _________."
3. Mark Twain on George Washington "He was ignorant of the commonest accomplishments of youth. He could not even _____" (one word only)
4. Oscar Levant "The only difference between the Dempcrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to _________, too."
5. Nubar Gulbenkian (whoever he is) "The best number for a dinner party is two --myself and a damn good __________."
6. Charles Luckman "The trouble with America is that there are far too many wide open spaces surrounded by _______." (one word only)
Go to it!
811. AceofSpades - 9/30/1999 12:55:22 PM
1. Said by Sir Thomas Beecham to a lady cellist "Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands -- and all you can do is fiddle."
812. AceofSpades - 9/30/1999 12:55:46 PM
or, "all you can do is play the cello." You get the idea.
813. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 12:56:23 PM
Ace,
1. No, he was complaining she couldn't play it well.
814. CalGal - 9/30/1999 1:02:05 PM
1. I believe it is "stroke it".
3. He could not even lie?
815. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:03:42 PM
CalGal,
#1 is close, but not quite. Even worse playing (and closer to the masturbation pun).
#3 is correct.
816. AceofSpades - 9/30/1999 1:07:42 PM
"diddle"?
817. AceofSpades - 9/30/1999 1:08:01 PM
"PLUCK IT"?!?
818. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:10:34 PM
#1. Correct answer is "scratch it."
Some hints:
#5 not very sociable, is he?
#2 is certainly not "his wife".
819. Bubbaette - 9/30/1999 1:11:10 PM
#5 -- book?
820. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:12:57 PM
Bubbaette #819,
2 words, and it's a person.
821. Bubbaette - 9/30/1999 1:14:18 PM
lap dancer?
822. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:15:15 PM
Bubbaette,
No, somebody who he doesn't need to interact with.
823. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:16:35 PM
Again, the quiz is at post #810. #1 and 3 have been answered.
824. CalGal - 9/30/1999 1:16:36 PM
6. The trouble with America is that there are far too many wide open spaces surrounded by _______. teeth.
7. The only difference between the Dempcrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to _________, too cheat?
825. Bubbaette - 9/30/1999 1:16:55 PM
deaf mute?
826. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:18:38 PM
CalGal,
#6 is right. #4 (not 7) is close, but no cigar.
Bubbaette,
#5 is a profession.
827. CalGal - 9/30/1999 1:18:56 PM
7. The best number for a dinner party is two -- myself and a damn good __________." butler? waiter?
828. Stumbo - 9/30/1999 1:19:16 PM
2. his dog
4. pay taxes?
6. nothing
829. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:20:53 PM
Stumbo,
#2 is right. #6 had been guessed correctly. #4 is wrong.
CalGal gets credit for #5. The correct words are "head waiter".
830. Bubbaette - 9/30/1999 1:21:17 PM
I already said "lap dancer", ain't that a profession? Y'all are just too highbrow for me.
831. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:23:22 PM
Only one left is #4
The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to ___________, too.
832. AceofSpades - 9/30/1999 1:24:57 PM
I like "pluck it" better than "scratch it." Hell, I like my original answer better. "You have an instrument capable of bringing pleasure to thousands between you legs-- and all you can do is play the cello."
Now that's funny.
833. marjoribanks - 9/30/1999 1:26:15 PM
#4 = "steal"?
834. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:28:05 PM
marjoribanks,
Ties CalGal's "cheat" for the closest so far. It's 2 words, and the first is "be". The last word is an adjective.
835. marjoribanks - 9/30/1999 1:29:33 PM
be criminal?
836. Bubbaette - 9/30/1999 1:30:10 PM
be dishonest?
837. marjoribanks - 9/30/1999 1:30:25 PM
be greedy?
838. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:31:50 PM
marjoribanks,
Again close. It's a word associated (depending on your political persuasion) with the administrations of Clinton, Nixon, Harding and Grant.
839. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:32:44 PM
#838 was in response to #835. #836 is closer yet. #837 is farther.
840. Bubbaette - 9/30/1999 1:33:54 PM
unprincipled
841. AceofSpades - 9/30/1999 1:34:26 PM
scoundrels?
scandalous?
842. AceofSpades - 9/30/1999 1:34:41 PM
corrupt?
843. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:35:06 PM
bubbaette #840,
No. #836 was closer. If no one gets it by 1:40 EDT, I'll give it out.
844. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:35:51 PM
Ace,
"Corrupt" is correct.
845. Bubbaette - 9/30/1999 1:35:56 PM
crooks?
846. theDiva - 9/30/1999 1:37:57 PM
slimy, conniving, opportunistic scoundrels?
Oooops, wait, that's four words.
Never mind.
847. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:45:43 PM
The answers are:
#1 Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands -- and all you can do is SCRATCH IT.
#2 If you eliminate smoking and gambling, you will be amazed to find that almost all an Englishman's pleasures can be, and mostly are, shared by HIS DOG.
#3 He was ignorant of the commonest accomplishments if youth. he could not even LIE.
#4 The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats allow the poor to BE CORRUPT, too.
#5 The best number for a dinner party is two -- myself and a damn good HEAD WAITER,
#6 The trouble with America is that there are too many wide open spaces surrounded by TEETH.
848. theDiva - 9/30/1999 1:51:45 PM
Good quiz, Dan, and you even woke up the natives.
849. Dantheman - 9/30/1999 1:56:16 PM
Thanks, Diva. I actually have to do some work, now. but I'll lurk around later.
850. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:02:22 PM
Wanted Politicians Dead and Alive
1. How many times did FDR appear on the democratic ticket
2. FDR appeared on the ticket more than anyone else, who's in second place?
3. Evangelicals opposed his election, fearing he would presecute Christians and censorship of religious thought.
4. Who is the oldest living politician who appeared on a presidential ballot?
5. Two people have held the highest office in two of the three branches of federal government, name them and their offices.
851. CalGal - 10/1/1999 4:03:35 PM
1. 5, I think--didn't he run as veep one year?
852. CalGal - 10/1/1999 4:03:53 PM
3. Jefferson?
853. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:04:29 PM
Jones
#1 5 (Once as VP)
#2 Henry Clay
#5 Taft was Chief Justice and President (not in that order). Both Polk and Garfield were Speaker of the House and President (if that counts)
854. CalGal - 10/1/1999 4:04:47 PM
5. Taft is one.
855. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:04:52 PM
CalGal- yes to No. 1, he was VP candidate in '20,
No. 3, yes.
856. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:05:43 PM
2. Dick Nixon was on the GOP national ticket five times.
857. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:06:23 PM
5. Taft was President and Chief Justice.
858. CalGal - 10/1/1999 4:06:31 PM
Well, Madison was speaker too.
859. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:08:38 PM
#4 Strom Thurmond (in 1948!!)
860. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:08:58 PM
Trial is correct on 2.
I confess to a defect in the question. I forgot about previous speakers- I just remembered Jerry Ford and Taft. Points all around. It seems that only 4 is a tough question.
861. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:09:38 PM
Jones,
Ford wasn't speaker, just minority leader
862. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:09:43 PM
Oops! Even four wasn't enough. Good job Dan!
863. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:09:53 PM
Dan, #4 was living, not fossilized.
864. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:10:57 PM
Dan- (blush) you're right, again. I will do my homework before setting myself up before you vultures again. Good job, all.
865. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:14:49 PM
Identify the following states:
1. Furthest north.
2. Furthest south.
3. Furthest east.
4. Furthest west.
866. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:15:38 PM
1. alaska
2. hawaii
3. alsaka
4. alaska
867. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:16:20 PM
I had originally planned on asking who had appeared on the democratic ticket the most after FDR- which I believe, is Bryan, but I've forgotten to account for two term VP's that ran again. I can't think of any, but I'm not batting too well today.
868. CalGal - 10/1/1999 4:17:29 PM
Jones--didn't Debs run like five times, too?
869. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:18:42 PM
Jones,
I think Bryan, Jefferson and Grover Cleveland (3 runs for President each) are tied. I can't think of any 2 term Democratic VP who ran for President (until Gore)
870. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:18:52 PM
Dan --
Wow! You aced that one.
871. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:19:37 PM
Thanks, Shark
872. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:20:41 PM
Identify five countries, outside of Africa or the former Soviet Union, with the letter "z" in their names.
873. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:20:48 PM
Jones,
Ouch! Martin Van Buren was a 1 term VP who also ran twice for President.
874. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:21:03 PM
Dan, you're right, and Cleavland is the only two termer with interupted terms.
875. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:21:56 PM
Trial shark,
Brazil, Venezuela, Belize are 3
876. CalGal - 10/1/1999 4:22:16 PM
Venezuela
877. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:22:41 PM
Shark,
Czech Republic is 4.
878. CalGal - 10/1/1999 4:22:42 PM
Switzerland
879. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:23:21 PM
Shark,
New Zealand is 5.
880. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:24:29 PM
Very good. For some reason, New Zealand is usually the last one named. Too easy, I guess.
881. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:29:35 PM
Highway Quiz. No looking at maps:
1. Name the 4 U.S. state capitals in the lower 48 states which do not have an interstate within 25 miles.
2. Even numbered highways run east west. There is 1 even numbered U.S. highway which passes through cities that border on Canada and Mexico. Name it. Extra credit for anming the cities.
3. Interstate 95 and U.S. 1 run parallel from Maine to Florida. However, U.S. 1 does not go through 1 state I-95 goes through. Name it.
4. Which state has the largest number of Interstates with numbers less than 100?
882. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:30:55 PM
whoops -- in #2 anming = naming
883. ChristinO - 10/1/1999 4:32:54 PM
#2 Route 66?
884. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:34:04 PM
Christine,
No route 66 ran from Chicago to LA and never touched cities bordering on either. It also no longer officially exists.
885. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:34:59 PM
Interstate 95 and U.S. 1 run parallel from Maine to Florida. However, U.S. 1 does not go through 1 state I-95 goes through. Name it.
Pennsylvania?
886. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:37:03 PM
Jones,
I hope not. I take U.S. 1 for about 1/2 mile on my way to work, and I'd hate to think I'd left the state.
887. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:37:17 PM
3. New Jersey?
888. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:37:52 PM
. Even numbered highways run east west. There is 1 even numbered U.S. highway which passes through cities that border on Canada and Mexico. Name it. Extra credit for anming the cities.
US 30, Detroit and San Diego
889. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:37:53 PM
Hint on #1 -- all of the capitals are no larger than the 3rd largest city in their state.
890. ChristinO - 10/1/1999 4:38:41 PM
Dan,
Sheesh, I just recalled the opening line of the song. Duh.
891. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:39:41 PM
4. Texas, with five.
892. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:40:03 PM
Shark,
New Jersey isn't it either, but the correct answers borders on both of your guesses.
Jones, U.S. 30 runs from Atlantic City, NJ to somewhere in Oregon. Nowhere near a border.
893. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:41:02 PM
Delaware?
894. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:41:34 PM
Shark,
5 wouldn't be close to enough. Correct answer is more than twice that.
895. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:42:23 PM
Shark,
Delaware is the correct answer to 3.
896. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:42:33 PM
No1- Carson City, Nevada; Albany NY;
897. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:43:27 PM
Jones,
Carson City is one of the answers to 1. Albany has 3 interstates (87, 88 and 90)
P.S. The quiz is at post 881.
898. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:45:03 PM
Dan, one of the cities is correct isn't it?
899. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:45:36 PM
Further hint on #1 -- of the remaining 3 states, 2 are in the Midwest, and 1 in the East.
900. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:45:53 PM
There's a state with more than 10 Interstates? Wow. I'd guess California, then.
901. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:46:54 PM
Shark,
California only has 5 (5, 10, 15, 40 and 80)
902. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:48:34 PM
Dan --
California also has I-8.
903. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:49:21 PM
You're right Shark. Still way short, though.
904. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:53:43 PM
The number of interstates for #4 is 12 (not much of a hint, but...)
905. TrialShark - 10/1/1999 4:54:05 PM
Yeah. New York?
906. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:56:51 PM
Shark,
Not New York. I get only 6 for New York, 7 if I-78 is assumed to cross the Holland Tunnel (the others are 81, 84, 87, 88, 90 and 95)
907. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 4:58:48 PM
Concord, NH; Madison WI; Lansing, MI.
908. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 4:59:54 PM
By the way, Texas has 9 by my count (10, 20, 27, 30, 35, 37, 40, 44 and 45). Still only good for 3rd place.
909. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:00:53 PM
Jones,
None of the above. Concord has 89 and 93. Madison 90 and 94. Lansing 69 and 96.
910. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:01:30 PM
Quiz is at post 881.
911. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:04:55 PM
Answer to #4 is a midwestern state. My native PA is 2nd with 11 (70, 76, 78, 79, 80, 81, 83, 84, 90, 95 and the brand new 99 -- built so Bud Shuster, head of the House Transportation Committee, can take a highway to Penn State football games)
912. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:08:32 PM
Further hints on #1 --
One of the state capitals has both city and state begin with same letter. One is named for a Frenchman, the other for a U.S. President.
913. Thoughtful - 10/1/1999 5:09:54 PM
#1: Dover DE, Jefferson City MO, Pierre, SD, Carson City, NE
914. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:10:28 PM
I'm calling an end to #2. The highway in U.S. 62, which goes from Niagara Falls, NY to El Paso, TX
915. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:10:58 PM
Thoughtful is correct on #1.
916. Thoughtful - 10/1/1999 5:11:11 PM
Most interstates: Illinois
917. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:12:23 PM
Thoughtful,
Correct on #4 (24, 39, 55, 57, 64, 70, 72, 74, 80, 88, 90 and 94).
918. Thoughtful - 10/1/1999 5:13:37 PM
Which Interstate is the longest?
919. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 5:17:29 PM
Longest- Interstate 80
920. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:18:45 PM
I'm pretty sure it's I-90 (Boston to Seattle)
921. Thoughtful - 10/1/1999 5:21:14 PM
BTW, I was asking -- I don't know the answer. It could be 80 which goe from NY to San Francisco, 90 which goes from Boston to Seattle, 10 which goes from Jacksonville to LA, but I don't know. I was hoping Dan might know the answer.
922. JonesAtLaw - 10/1/1999 5:21:14 PM
80 is New York to San Franciso- They've gotta be close, but I imagine the detour around the great lakes probably gives it to 90.
923. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:23:19 PM
Jones,
The 3 interstates that cross the country east to west:
I-10 Jacksonville FL to LA -- 2437 miles
I-80 New York to San Fransisco -- 2894 miles
I-90 Boston to Seattle -- 3088 miles
(Source Rand McNally Road Atlas 1998)
924. Thoughtful - 10/1/1999 5:24:35 PM
Actually, it might be 40 which, though ends some 40 miles short of LA does take a turn to the south to hit Wilmington NC.
925. Thoughtful - 10/1/1999 5:25:25 PM
Thanks Dan -- good quiz.
926. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:28:32 PM
Thanks, thoughful.
I-40 is shorter. Its western end is Barstow, CA, which is 120 miles from LA. LA to Raleigh is 2564 miles. Raleigh to Wilmington is 130. Total is 2574.
927. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:31:32 PM
As to North-South distances, I'm guessing I-75 (Sault Ste. Marie, MI to Miami. Should I check?
928. Dantheman - 10/1/1999 5:45:03 PM
The longest N-S interstate is 95, at 1853 miles. However, it gets disqualified because it has a stretch in Central New Jersey where it has never been completed, making I-75 (1737) the winner. Rounding out the top 5 are I-35 (1559), I-15 (1427) and I-5 (1402)
Goodnight, all.
929. dusty - 10/1/1999 5:46:03 PM
Nice quiz Dan, sorry I missed it.
930. CalGal - 10/1/1999 5:49:28 PM
931. JonesAtLaw - 10/4/1999 12:40:51 PM
Name the First Lady who was born outside the United States
Can't think of any other than those born before the revolution.
Name the Presidents who lost a child while in office (I count four, may be more).
Lincoln, Kennedy,??
Name a First Lady who graduated from Stanford.
Lou Hoover
While you're at it, the first First Lady to graduate from college.
Grace Coolidge
First First Lady to hold down a job
Elanore Roosevelt- Columnist- My Day
932. CalGal - 10/4/1999 12:52:15 PM
Jones,
2. Yes, you have two of the Presidents who lost a child in office.
Yes to #3.
Yes to #4.
No to #5.
933. JonesAtLaw - 10/4/1999 12:57:22 PM
CalGal- are you asking for work while the First Lady was First Lady or prior?
934. CalGal - 10/4/1999 12:59:36 PM
First one to be employed, period. Not while in office.
935. Dantheman - 10/4/1999 1:10:39 PM
CalGal,
#1 The second Mrs. Wilson?
#2 Did Jefferson's daughter die while he was in office (I recall she died young)
936. CalGal - 10/4/1999 1:26:44 PM
Dan--no to #1 and Jefferson's daughter may have died when he was in office. But she was an adult. I was referring to children under the age of 18--although there is no reason to limit it, I suppose.
937. Dantheman - 10/4/1999 1:29:54 PM
CalGal,
#2 By sheer best random chance, I'll guess Tyler (he did have 15 and some did die young -- on the other hand, his first wife died while he was in office, and he had 7 kids with his second wife, including 1 after he was 70. That kid pulled the same trick, which is how his house is still lived in by his grandson, 150+ years after he left office)
938. CalGal - 10/4/1999 1:39:24 PM
Actually, I don't think any of Tyler's kids died. But if they had, I am not sure he would notice, with that many around.
Other Presidents who lost a child: Pierce and Coolidge.
939. CalGal - 10/5/1999 1:26:50 PM
1. Only foreign-born first lady was Louisa Adams, John Quincy's wife.
5. Ida McKinley worked in her progressive father's bank. It is very odd that she is the first First Lady to work outside the home, because she was a seizing, whining, nutjob. The press graciously ignored this, and McKinley would just drop a hankerchief over her face if she had a fit in public.
940. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 1:35:14 PM
Good quiz, CalGal
941. Dusty - 10/5/1999 1:46:25 PM
I should have posted this yesterday:
4 October was the anniversary of the launching of the Sputnik. While Sputnik wheeled through the sky, many Americans (I not among them) sat down to watch the inaugural showing of a sitcom, still in rerun. Name that sitcom.
942. CalGal - 10/5/1999 1:49:06 PM
The Dick Van Dyke show.
943. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 1:49:26 PM
The Lucy Show
944. CalGal - 10/5/1999 1:51:01 PM
Ooh, better. I don't know when Sputnik went off--everything before 1962 is a blur to me.
945. CalGal - 10/5/1999 1:52:23 PM
But when did Sputnik launch? I thought it was the early 60s. Hey. It was the early 60s.
I'm back to liking my answer better.
946. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 1:53:36 PM
Dusty,
Ozzie and Harriet?
947. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 1:54:43 PM
CalGal,
I think Sputnik launched in 1957. My parents met that year, and Mom said it was about the only time physicists (like my Dad) were in demand.
948. CalGal - 10/5/1999 1:57:51 PM
Dan,
Yeah, I just realized I'm getting Gargarin and Sputnik confused. Okay. Sputnik was 57. That leaves out Dick van Dyke, Lucy, and Ozzie and Harriet all.
949. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 1:59:21 PM
Lassie?
950. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 1:59:32 PM
My Three Sons?
951. CalGal - 10/5/1999 2:01:50 PM
Leave it to Beaver started around then.
952. Dusty - 10/5/1999 2:32:01 PM
4 OCT 1957
Leave It to Beaver is correct!
We have liftoff...err a winner!
953. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 3:04:13 PM
Who was Beaver? I'm sure that one has never been shown on Swedish TV.
954. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:09:08 PM
Pelle,
You're not serious. They don't have Leave it to Beaver in Sweden?
"Starring Jerry Mather as The Beaver"
You don't know about Wallie? Ward and June?
How can you achieve adulthood without the knowledge of the obsequious perfidies of Eddie Haskell?
955. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 3:13:57 PM
CalGal
I think you have identified the cause of several serious character flaws of mine.
956. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:20:23 PM
Pelle,
Click here for immediate character improvement.
I look forward to the new, improved Pelle.
957. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 3:25:20 PM
Thank you CalGal. I will study the issues with great interest, but at my age progress may not be immediately visible.
958. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 3:26:43 PM
pelle,
Somehow I think the wholesome suburban values of Leave It To Beaver are useful at any age.
959. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:27:24 PM
Pelle,
Do they have Nick at Nite in Sweden?
960. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 3:30:47 PM
CalGal
Confession: I stopped watching TV about five years ago (except sports).
961. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:33:55 PM
Pelle,
Sweetheart--Beaver was in reruns by the time I was born. And I'm getting perilously near old.
962. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 3:37:06 PM
CalGal,
You're not old. You're about the same age as me, so you can't be old. As Groucho Marx said, You're only as old as the woman you feel.
963. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:38:48 PM
Okay, pop music quiz:
964. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 3:40:37 PM
1. The Eagles
2. Thriller is one.
965. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 3:42:42 PM
2. Is the Boyz2Men one (cooleyhighharmony?) the other? I know it broke the record for consecutive weeks at #1.
966. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:43:13 PM
Dan has #1--for extra credit, name the albums.
Dan has half of #2.
967. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:43:32 PM
Dan--not even close.
968. JonesAtLaw - 10/5/1999 3:44:39 PM
Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon holds the record for time on the charts, it should be up there. Some of my friends wore more than one copy out.
969. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 3:44:40 PM
Albums are Hotel California and Greatest Hits Vol. 1, I think
970. JonesAtLaw - 10/5/1999 3:46:01 PM
Fleetwood Mac -Rumors?
971. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:46:50 PM
Dan gets extra credit. Jones, you have one of the four parts of question 3 (two albums and the order of each).
972. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 3:47:55 PM
Frampton Comes Alive should be one of them, as well
973. CalGal - 10/5/1999 3:49:06 PM
No to Dan and Jones' latest guess.
974. JonesAtLaw - 10/5/1999 3:56:11 PM
Thriller;Eagles Greatest Hits;Pink Floyd the Wall;Fleetwood Mac-Rumors
975. JayAckroyd - 10/5/1999 4:10:04 PM
Hotel California and The Eagles
976. CalGal - 10/5/1999 4:14:26 PM
Jones: 3 out of 4, unless you have more recent info than I do. The last one of your four is wrong.
Other than that, I think they are all nailed, so I'll give a clue. The fourth album on the list apparently has no title.
977. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 4:14:51 PM
Wasn't Whitney Houston's debut album way up there in sales figures?
978. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:15:32 PM
Beatles The White Album
979. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 4:16:05 PM
The fourth album on the list apparently has no title.
Couldn't be Zeppelin's fourth album, could it?
980. JonesAtLaw - 10/5/1999 4:19:11 PM
Cart is right. Zepplin IV or Zoso is No 4.
981. CalGal - 10/5/1999 4:21:08 PM
Yep! Cart hit the fourth. This is according to Led Zeppelin, who surpassed Billy Joel at #4 a while ago.
982. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:25:05 PM
Well, shoot.
I don't suppose Billie's Lady in Satin is #5 on that list, huh.
983. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 4:25:33 PM
Good quiz CalGal. You managed to kill some time on a boring afternoon, and get us close enough that a millenial is possible today.
984. CalGal - 10/5/1999 4:25:57 PM
As far as huge-selling albums--most of them aren't the big name albums. I can't find the list of top 25 right now, but it is an interesting mix: a few big sellers that are slowly dropping from the list as time--and the steady selling standards--pass them by.
The Eagles Greatest Hits album made news a year or two ago when it tied Jackson's Thriller album. On a yearly basis, the Eagles album sells far more. Jackson's was just a huge one time sale. You will see Thriller slowly slide down the list, I'm betting.
The Eagles are the only group with three albums on the top 25, as I recall. Others on the list are a couple Led Zeppelins, Fleetwood Mac, Carole King.
985. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:28:07 PM
I wonder how much of those sales are repeats...but there's really no way of capturing that data.
I'd be interested to know the distribution of sales....CDs, tapes, vinyl, and when each format reached its highest point of sale for that album.
986. CalGal - 10/5/1999 4:32:27 PM
Diva,
I first read this in a Rolling Stones article from 3 or 4 years ago. I remember they published the yearly sales of each (for that year) and the difference between the Eagles sales (chugging along big time in the thousands) and, say, MC Hammer (0) were pretty illuminating.
I know that the distributors of the Eagles records (can't remember who it is right now, but I think it's the same for all three) say that they still make a ton of money off of them.
987. JayAckroyd - 10/5/1999 4:35:59 PM
Arista is my recollection.
988. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 4:37:28 PM
Carole King is on the all-time Top 25 in sales? What, no Kenny G or Christopher Cross?
[singing]: When you get caught between the world and New York City....
989. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:38:19 PM
Cal
I don't doubt it, though I also don't get it.
Anyway, here's a trivia question just for you:
This jazz vocalist appeared in a 1983 Richard Lester picture. Name the singer and the movie.
990. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:38:47 PM
Cart
Bite your tongue. Sheesh.
991. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 4:39:18 PM
The Eagles were on Elektra/Asylum.
Speaking of Elektra, what was the first rock act they ever signed? Clue: Sixties rock band from LA, but not The Doors.
Back in a couple hours to see if anyone knows this one.
992. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 4:42:03 PM
Sorry Diva, couldn't resist.
I gotta ride, ride like the wind, to be free again/And I got a long way to go (such a long way)/Make it to the border of Mexico....
I hear Chris Cross' albums all come with a sympathy card.
993. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 4:42:17 PM
.. seems ..
994. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 4:42:19 PM
There
995. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 4:42:42 PM
is
996. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 4:42:58 PM
a
997. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 4:43:05 PM
millenial?
998. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 4:43:13 PM
this it?
999. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 4:43:23 PM
?
1000. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 4:43:25 PM
to be
1001. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 4:43:33 PM
?
1002. CalGal - 10/5/1999 4:43:41 PM
Did I miss it?
1003. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 4:43:52 PM
had
1004. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:44:14 PM
Cart
You are often not very nice to me. sniffle
1005. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 4:44:23 PM
#@%&#. Twice in one day I was 999 and 001.
1006. Dantheman - 10/5/1999 4:44:40 PM
Congrats pelle.
1007. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:46:03 PM
Nice work, pelle.
Don't worry, Dan, you'll get the hang of it.
1008. pellenilsson - 10/5/1999 4:46:18 PM
The first millennial ever to be claimed from Stockholm. The Mote's international appeal will grow enormously as the word spreads.
1009. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:46:58 PM
Re-posting as this may have gotten lost in the
millennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnial run:1010. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 4:53:46 PM
Diva:
I would be nicer to you, but Niner would get jealous, and bite my ankles. Look at it this way -- I don't sing Christopher Cross to just anybody.
I'd better post my question and clue again too, after the millenial run:
Speaking of Elektra, what was the first rock act they ever signed? Clue: Sixties rock band from LA, but not The Doors.
Here's a couple more clues: The Ramones covered one of this band's songs on their 1994 CD Acid Eaters. UFO covered another of this band's songs on their classic album Lights Out. That song was also used in a Miller Genuine Draft commercial last summer.
1011. theDiva - 10/5/1999 4:55:31 PM
Cart
Gee. I'm, uh, underwhelmed.
Anyway, in answer to your question: Jefferson Airplane? The Mamas and the Papas? The Vacant-Eyed Flower Children? (oops, sorry)
1012. OhioSTOPAS - 10/5/1999 5:07:36 PM
The Seeds.
1013. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 5:08:06 PM
Diva:
I'm looking for an LA band. Those are all SF bands (even the VacantEyed Flower Children). I'd take a crack at your question, but I know nothing about vocal jazz. I'll guess Ella Fitzgerald though, just for grins.
Underwhelmed, dear? Should I pour on the Spanglish? If I'm going to get my ankles gnawed, I guess it'll be for a good cause:
Yo soy un grande caballo. Tienes mi corazon. ¿Donde esta la cerveza?
Sorry, I don't know much clean Spanish.
1014. EricCartman - 10/5/1999 5:09:08 PM
Ohio:
Good guess, but no.
OK, I'm really outta here now. Back around 5:00 or so. Work sucks, but I need the bucks.
1015. Dusty - 10/5/1999 5:13:17 PM
pellenilsson
Congratulations on the Millennial!!!
Dantheman
You are not allowed to get one until you learn to spell it.
1016. EricCartman - 10/6/1999 4:25:50 AM
The more I think about it, the more I realize that my question was probably quite obscure, unless you're a rock n' roll historian, or a musician (like me). But I'm working on somewhat more universal quiz questions, so I wanted to get this one out of the way, since it didn't exactly burn up the thread in the first place.
Anyway, the first rock group signed by Elektra Records was a band called Love, in 1966. Fronted by Arthur Lee, who still tours quite a bit, especially in Europe, Love fused folk, funk, pop, r & b, and even punk. The Ramones' frantic 1994 cover of "7 And 7 Is" paled next to Lee's absolutely nuclear renditions of the tune, the original of which can be found on the great album Da Capo. Lee, probably the only other black rock guitarist in the '60s besides Hendrix, was friends with Jimi, and Jimi contributed a solo to the track "The Everlasting First" on the 1970 album False Start.
Love also featured guitarist/songwriter Bryan Maclean, who had roadied for the Byrds, and was also the half-brother of Lone Justice singer Maria McKee. Maclean, who died of a heart attack last Christmas, penned the group's biggest hit, "Alone Again Or", which was covered by UFO in 1977, and by the Damned a few years later (both groups also hit with their versions of the song). "Alone Again Or" was also the backing music for a heavily-played Miller Genuine Draft commercial last summer.
Instead of paying 18 bucks for Revolver or Rubber Soul, get Da Capo or Forever Changes for half that. This has been your obscure music tip for the day.
1017. Stumbo - 10/6/1999 4:41:56 AM
EC:
"Arthur Lee, who still tours quite a bit..."
Last I heard (a coupla years ago), A.L. had been sentenced to a lengthy jail term, under the Calif. 3-strikes law (the 3rd offense being pulling a gun on his neighbor, or something like that). Quite sad.
1018. EricCartman - 10/6/1999 5:14:45 AM
Stumbo:
You're right. I was just reading about that on a fan site. Lee had fired a gun into the air, during an argument with his upstairs neighbors. His previous two busts were for drug offenses (Lee has had problems with heroin addiction for years) and he got sentenced to 12 years (which sounded low for CA 3-strikes law). Supposedly he's up for parole in 8, but he's 55 now, so I'm sure his career is over. Still, for a few years there, he put out some great music, and his live shows as recently as '96 (backed by indie band Baby Lemonade), were supposedly phenomenal.
1019. theDiva - 10/6/1999 8:48:45 AM
Cart
WRT your quiz answer.....sorry, not even close.
WRT your Spanglish......sorry, mi corazon esta Niner's.
This mini-quiz remains open:
This jazz vocalist appeared in a 1983 Richard Lester picture. Name the singer and the movie.
Dang, I was sure Cal would have gotten this one.
1020. CalGal - 10/6/1999 2:34:48 PM
Diva,
I'm sorry, I didn't see it. The 1983 movie can only be Superman III--it's the only movie that Lester made around that time. I don't remember there being a jazz singer in it.
1021. theDiva - 10/6/1999 2:47:58 PM
That's okay, I figured it got missed in the millennnnnnnnial run.
Anywho, you're 50% correct. The singer is acting, not singing in the picture. I'll give you a clue: the singer is female.
1022. CalGal - 10/7/1999 2:00:58 PM
Classic science fiction quiz (unless otherwise indicated, provide title and author):
1023. CalGal - 10/7/1999 2:01:54 PM
Whoops--8,9,10, and 12 are short stories. 11 is a novel.
1024. Lepus E Ursa - 10/7/1999 2:08:13 PM
12) Was that "Nightfall"? Was it Isaac Asimov?
1025. AceofSpades - 10/7/1999 2:12:11 PM
Three Laws of Robotics:
1) No robot can harm, or through inaction, cause to be harmed, any human being.
2) A robot must obey the orders of its owner, except where such orders conflict with the first law.
3) A robot must protect itself against harm, except where doing so conflicts with either the first or second law.
1026. CalGal - 10/7/1999 2:13:26 PM
12 and 5 are answered correctly.
1027. CharlieL - 10/7/1999 3:04:33 PM
Didn't Elektra sign "Clear Light" (a not-so-good band) before they signed Love? Their bass player, Doug Lubahn, played bass (given credit as "occasional bass") on the Doors' albums when Ray Manzarek wasn't playing the Fender Rhodes Keyboard Bass.
1028. CharlieL - 10/7/1999 3:05:51 PM
Is #4 Arthur C. Clarke?
1029. CalGal - 10/7/1999 3:07:34 PM
Charlie--nope. In fact, a clue: none of the stories or questions references Clark at all. Or Heinlein.
An appalling oversight, due primarily to the fact that I think Clarke's writing is boring (if inoffensive), and I loathe Heinlein's writing and the man himself.
So I forgot to cover them both with a question.
1030. pellenilsson - 10/7/1999 5:44:24 PM
3 is that Czech fellow whose name escapes me. Capek? With a Slavic curl on the C. Karel Capek?
1031. CalGal - 10/7/1999 5:51:47 PM
3. Yep.
1032. Stumbo - 10/7/1999 5:53:08 PM
("R.U.R." being the title, for #3.)
1033. pellenilsson - 10/7/1999 5:54:08 PM
'Robot' means 'work' in most Slavic languages.
1034. pellenilsson - 10/7/1999 5:56:10 PM
12 sounds like Niven.
1035. CalGal - 10/7/1999 5:56:36 PM
Stumbo got the title, as well.
Come on, now, take a crack at some of the others. Where's Sto? Isn't he a sci-fi fan? Jay? vK?
1036. CalGal - 10/7/1999 5:57:40 PM
12 has been answered already. Asimov's most famous short story, although not his best, Nightfall.
1037. EricCartman - 10/7/1999 6:00:54 PM
Charlie (#1027):
Never heard of "Clear Light", but I have seen several sources that identify Love as Elektra's first rock signing. One possibility that comes to mind is that maybe Love was the first of the signed bands to get a record out and start touring. I have heard of Doug Lubahn. A cousin of mine used to date Manzarek when the Doors were just getting started; one of these days I'll have to hit her up for some lurid Jim Morrison stories.
Incidentally, the Doors' immediate success may be partly responsible for Love's middling sales, as Elektra, being a fledgling company, had a limited promotion budget, and went (wisely) for the sure thing. Coupled with Lee's reluctance to tour and do interviews at the time, Love never quite got the attention they could have if they had played the game properly.
1038. CalGal - 10/7/1999 6:02:08 PM
Incidentally, I said R.U.R is a short story. All of a sudden it occurs to me that is wrong--it's a play, isn't it?
1039. JJBiener - 10/7/1999 6:25:23 PM
CalGal - 1. Harlan Ellison is the author. I think it was The Beast Who Shouted Love at the Heart of the World (or something like that).
4. Isaac Asimov
1040. JJBiener - 10/7/1999 6:28:38 PM
CalGal - 9. For a Single Yesterday, George R R Martin.
1041. CalGal - 10/7/1999 6:30:19 PM
JJ--That's not the one I had for 9, but I left it vaguer than it needed to be. There may be more than one story that fits that bill.
1--author is correct, not the title.
4 is correct
1042. ilyavinarsky - 10/7/1999 11:20:54 PM
A quiz thread, heh...
Using only precalculus mathematics, prove that all polynomials that take rational values for rational arguments and irrational values for irrational arguments are linear.
1043. EricCartman - 10/8/1999 12:17:33 AM
Cal:
#8 reminds me of a bizarre (and not very good) short story called "The Crime and Glory of Commander Suzdal", by Cordwainer Smith. I doubt that's what you're looking for, but what the hey -- Ace already answered the only one I knew for sure.
1044. CalGal - 10/8/1999 12:28:36 AM
Cartman,
It is indeed a Cordwainer Smith short story. He wrote several in that universe, but the one I'm referring to specifically is "The Game of Rat and Dragon".
1045. CalGal - 10/8/1999 12:29:41 AM
And "The Game of Rat and Dragon" is a very good short story--Smith didn't get it all together very often, but when he did, it was a trip.
1046. EricCartman - 10/8/1999 12:54:02 AM
Cal:
Have you read the Smith short story I referred to? I haven't read it in quite some time; I'll have to dig out the book (Galactic Empires, Vol. 1, ed. by Brian Aldiss). As I remember, it involved a race of highly evolved cats battling a race of transvestites or something like that. Really freaky shit. Freud would have had a field day.
I used to read a lot of sci-fi, but haven't in a long time. Last one I think was Red Mars, and that's probably the only one in a dozen years or so.
1047. CalGal - 10/8/1999 12:58:23 AM
Well, you all are sci-fi duds. Still, you should make a list of these titles--they are some of the best going.
1048. CalGal - 10/8/1999 1:13:17 AM
Cart,
Since we have a books thread, I'll answer there.
1049. SnowOwl - 10/9/1999 6:56:33 PM
A Phillip K Dick Quiz
1. Name the short story or novel upon which the following films were based. (a) Bladerunner (b) Total Recall (c) Screamers
Bonus Point if you can give the author of Bladerunner: The Movie.
2. In the book, Man in the High Castle , what is the name of the novel set in an alternate universe where the Axis lose WW2.
3. What are the three stigmata of Palmer Eldritch?
4. What is Perky Pat?
5. What novel is based on a schizophrenic experience in which P K Dick experienced a beam of pink light penetrating his head and entering his conciousness?
1050. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:06:17 PM
1. a) Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
b) We Can Remember it for You Wholesale
c)
bonus: William S. Burroughs
5. Valis
1051. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:09:27 PM
1. c) Second Variety
1052. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:16:56 PM
2. The Grasshopper Lies Heavy
1053. CalGal - 10/9/1999 7:17:03 PM
3. Eyes, teeth, and arm
1054. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:18:45 PM
2. The Grasshopper Lies Heavy
1055. SnowOwl - 10/9/1999 7:18:52 PM
T. Tallis, 1 (a, b & c) and Burroughs all correct. 5 right.
1056. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:22:30 PM
4. Perky Pat Layouts...designers of accessories for a fictional couple "Pat" and "Walt". Also the name of their main product, little dollhouses that can be experienced as 'real' under the influence of the narcotic Can-D.
1057. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:25:11 PM
And, technically, I believe 3. should be eyes, teeth and hand.
1058. CalGal - 10/9/1999 7:27:33 PM
Was it hand? It has been a long time since I read it. I am not a PKD follower, so I'll defer to the expert. Good quiz, Snow Owl!
Where were you for my scifi quiz, huh? (sniff)
1059. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:28:27 PM
Sorry I missed it. But, then, I'm not an Asimov follower, myself.
1060. CalGal - 10/9/1999 7:30:05 PM
Hey, there were only two Asimov questions.
1061. SnowOwl - 10/9/1999 7:30:37 PM
This was too easy. T. Tallis has cleaned up most.
Cal is right, it was the arm (I had to check again to be sure).
Sorry I missed your quiz, it was over and done with before I noticed it. Some good reading there though.
1062. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:30:50 PM
Well, then I'm really sorry I missed it.
1063. CalGal - 10/9/1999 7:44:17 PM
Okay, if you two are still around, some more recent stuff (story and author):
1064. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:46:59 PM
hmmmm...none of these are ringing bells (though 1 & 2's concepts would make a lovely alternate universe).
1065. CalGal - 10/9/1999 7:48:54 PM
Most of them are Nebula winners, if that helps.
1066. T. Tallis - 10/9/1999 7:54:08 PM
Sadly, I'm not an avid sci-fi afficionado, though I do have particular favorites that I'll consistently follow: Dick, Ballard, Jeter (though none of his Star Trek tie-in paycheck garbage), the occasional Rucker or Yurrick, you know the drill. Though now that you mention it, I'm gonna hazard a guess that #3 is by Ursula LeGuin.
1067. SnowOwl - 10/9/1999 8:06:45 PM
Arghhhh, some of these ring vague bells but I can't put names to any of them.
1068. Amaxen@work - 10/9/1999 8:29:36 PM
4. Tales of the HeeChee -- Author?
1069. Amaxen@work - 10/9/1999 8:30:59 PM
5. Errrummm. Read it, don't remember title. Grrrrrr.
1070. CalGal - 10/9/1999 8:38:41 PM
Amaxen,
You have the alien name right, but the original title of the first book was Gateway, by Frederick Pohl. Still, that's close enough--the second and third books had Heechee in the title.
5. Think of country names.
1071. SnowOwl - 10/9/1999 10:02:30 PM
5, Aha, the clue did it. Beggars in Spain by Nancy Kress
1072. ilyavinarsky - 10/10/1999 7:56:19 PM
Re 1049:
1.
a) Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep (a very loose adaptation).
b) "We can Remember it for you Wholesale" (the story is wonderful, what I've seen of the movie is abominable).
c) "Second Variety".
2. The Grasshopper Lies Heavy.
5. VALIS. As far as I know, what Dick experienced was a mini-stroke.
1073. ilyavinarsky - 10/10/1999 7:57:34 PM
1063. 3) China Mountain Zhang.
1074. CalGal - 10/10/1999 8:02:12 PM
Snow got 5.
And it turns out I'm not the only person in the world to have read 3. China Mountain Zhang is correct. Do you know the author, Ilya?
1075. ilyavinarsky - 10/10/1999 8:38:21 PM
Maureen McHugh. I can't say I didn't like it, but it is too boring (and politically correct) for my taste.
1076. CalGal - 10/10/1999 8:41:44 PM
Oh, I didn't think it was boring. And it probably was PC, but more in approach than tone.
1077. Stumbo - 10/10/1999 8:51:47 PM
YASFQ (ho hum) -- same questions.
1. Entire point of Earth's civilization: deliver to an alien stranded somewhere in the Solar System a small replacement piece for his ship's engine.
2. Step on a butterfly, change the outcome of an election.
3. Sole inhabitant of planet sends blast-from-the-past semi-zombies to entertain occupants of orbiting station.
4. Epigraph: "The animals stood beside the door..."
1078. stinky - 10/10/1999 9:03:04 PM
2. Is a Ray Bradbury story. Can't remember the title but it's in the anthology Dandelion Wine. ("Big Game"?) Guy goes back in time to hunt T Rex.
1079. stinky - 10/10/1999 9:07:31 PM
Protagonist is done in by his "ant farm."
1080. stinky - 10/10/1999 9:10:20 PM
Just remembered the Bradbury title: "The Sound of Thunder."
1081. Stumbo - 10/10/1999 9:14:10 PM
Stinky: correct on #2.
1082. stinky - 10/11/1999 3:17:00 PM
BTW, #1079 is an "identify the story" question.
Here's another: This contemporary best seller (last 20 years) ends with a character spilling the beans to Rolling Stone. The movie adaptation changed it to the New York Times.
1083. LadyJane - 10/11/1999 4:15:29 PM
#1082
Firestarter?
1084. stinky - 10/11/1999 4:16:03 PM
LadyJane--You is correct!
1085. Amaxen@work - 10/11/1999 7:37:43 PM
Stinky,
know the story: want to say its 'kingsmeat' but that is wrong, OS Card story.
has 'lord' in the title.
Wicked little short story, though.
1086. CalGal - 10/11/1999 7:39:28 PM
Lady Jane--are you new? Welcome!
I tell you, one thing these quizzes have taught me is that no one is an expert on science fiction.
1087. RosettaSTONE - 10/11/1999 7:49:58 PM
Yes, Lady Jane. Great to read you. Thanks for coming to the mote, the nicer online community.
1088. Uzmakk - 10/11/1999 7:51:54 PM
How does one trap skunks without having them stink?
1089. Stumbo - 10/11/1999 8:19:47 PM
Hints for #1077:
1) Also features Bible-based stock-picking, and a (staged) war between the Earth and Mars.
3) The "inhabitant" is as big as the planet itself.
4) was aimed at IV. I highly doubt it's ever been translated.
1090. alistairconnor - 10/11/1999 8:25:30 PM
Stumbo:
3 is Solaris, by Stanislaw Lem, made into a film by whatsisname, that Russian guy. Lem is one of the few writers from my adolescent sf phase that I'm not ashamed of.
1091. Stumbo - 10/11/1999 8:32:39 PM
AC: correct on #3. (Andrei Tarkovsky made the movie.)
1092. Angel-Five - 10/11/1999 8:44:53 PM
1) Scientific pioneers ride the wavelength of hydrogen and come back mad or dead.
2)God sends a bunch of spaceships to Earth to carry the faithful to him. The spaceships are piloted by mad AIs.
3) A man goes to investigate a strangely insular valley in California where his ex-girlfriend resides, and finds an awareness drug is in common usage.
4) Two men plot to smuggle hash into the US by making a statue of it which will walk through customs, and say 'no, I don't' when asked if it has anything to declare, and will walk out.
5)A handful of extremely jaded time-travelers encounter an anomaly -- an albino from the days before time began.
6)The story ends with a scientist inventor singing a duet with his can opener.
7)And Delta... Delta was the way home.
8) The Bikura people are sexless, apparently retarded, and seem immortal.
9) Three men on a shuttle mission loop around the sun and come to find that the planet Earth is now populated only by women. (Wubidee.)
10)The message read 'Love One Another' and the messenger wept that he was too late before he died.
1093. Angel-Five - 10/11/1999 8:45:22 PM
I like Stanislaw Lem.
1094. alistairconnor - 10/11/1999 8:50:05 PM
Well, obviously. But what's all this other crap you read?
1095. Angel-Five - 10/11/1999 8:53:01 PM
hahahaha.
Hugo, Nebula, fathers-of-the-genre kind of crap. Pulp, in other words.
1096. CalGal - 10/11/1999 9:48:26 PM
8) That sounds very much like the species in the Hyperion novels? Dan Simmons
9) Houston, Houston, Can You Read, James Tiptree jr.
1097. Stumbo - 10/12/1999 3:46:13 AM
OK, my last hints for 1) in #1077: (I'll post the remaining answers tomorrow. I can't believe nobody got that one; I thought the 4 questions came in a clearly ascending order of obscurity.)
The author is best known for an "anti-glacier" novel, and -- although that novel mentions the same fictional planet as this one does -- is not primarily thought of as a sci-fi writer. However, one of his recurring characters is a sci-fi writer, whose initials are K.T.
1098. Schehezarade - 10/12/1999 12:58:21 PM
Victor Hugo: Life is a flower from which love is the honey.
1099. AceofSpades - 10/12/1999 1:12:27 PM
Stumbo:
Well, the author is Kurt Vonnegut, the "anti-glacier" novel is Slaughterhouse Five (although Cat's Cradle, all about the perils of Ice-Nine, would also qualify), and the fictional science fiction author is Kilgore Trout.
No idea about the question, though.
1100. stinky - 10/12/1999 5:14:31 PM
Sirens of Titan
1101. T. Tallis - 10/12/1999 5:21:15 PM
re: 1092
#4: A Scanner Darkly?
1102. Angel-Five - 10/12/1999 5:25:17 PM
4, 8, and 9 have been answered correctly.
1103. Stumbo - 10/12/1999 7:29:03 PM
Ace: correct on the author and other details. Heh re CC also qualifying; that hadn't occurred to me.
Stinky gets the title (as well as the title of winner, I guess, with 1.5 pts.)
4) was "The Beetle in the Anthill," by the Strugatsky brothers. Very little of their voluminous oeuvre is available in English, unfortunately.
1104. Uzmakk - 10/12/1999 7:38:19 PM
Don't you people possess any practicle knowledge? How does one trap skunks?
1105. stinky - 10/12/1999 8:52:06 PM
Skunks generally don't spray in a confined space unless you hurt or otherwise agitate them.
I should know. Heh-heh-heh.
Thus I didna get the intent of your original question. ("How to trap a skunk without spraying.")
1106. Angel-Five - 10/13/1999 1:26:12 AM
Hints: (I should have thought there would be no need for these)
1) The author is quite famous these days. One of his better known short stories involves a courier who discovers the knowledge he's carrying can be rather dangerous to have.
2) The protagonist founded a church based on chickens, and the AI commanding his ship is named 'Appy'. Also, one of the characters carries a Snapcard, which tells him the key to win any argument.
3) This author also wrote a very compelling novel about the creation of artificial intelligence by a handful of people on board a spaceship. It was definitely not his best known novel, but still his best, IMO.
5) This author is best known for his work in fantasy.
6) This author commonly wrote under a pseudonym.
7) The lead character in this short story thinks he hears the surf in his ears and hallucinates that he is seeing a small child playing with rockets in front of him.
10) The story takes place during some Cold War nuclear weapon tests.
1107. stinky - 10/13/1999 8:37:34 AM
Fer non-SF affectianados, identify this hyeah quote: "I saw something nasty in the woodshed."
1108. Uzmakk - 10/13/1999 8:42:53 AM
Stinky:
So if I catch them in a Hav-a-hart trap, can I then sneak a sheet or something over them and drown them in a pond?
1109. Uzmakk - 10/13/1999 8:43:46 AM
I was hoping that it would be you who would answer, Stinky.
1110. stinky - 10/13/1999 8:50:26 AM
Uzmakk, I guess you could. But if you gots skunks sumthin is attractin them. Unless you is a beekeeper, you oughtta remedy dat.
I hate to see a critter drownded jest cause he smells bad.
1111. Uzmakk - 10/13/1999 5:35:44 PM
To many of them all over the area. There was a piece in the paper about them. I am just doing my part for the ecology of the area. Tough titties for the skunks, disgusting little rodents.
1112. stinky - 10/13/1999 5:39:48 PM
I don't think theys rodents.
1113. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 1:44:10 AM
They're not. But they're weasels. But then a lot of the weasels are quite attractive animals (as are skunks, imo, but for that one feature): the mink, the otters, etc.
1114. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 2:10:20 AM
Well, I find another, most salient, reason for disliking skunks.
"Skunks are the major vectors of rabies in much of the continental United States, with over 4,000 cases diagnosed in skunks during some yeras--in other words over two-thirds of all cases in wildlife. ... All species [there are 13] carry rabies, but the Striped Skunk is most often involved as it is more widespread. ... [they transmit rabies to each other readily, and] since rabies reduces population density and contact between individuals, outbreaks often occur 3-4 years apart when populations are high."
[_Encyclopedia of Mammals_, ed. D. MacDonald (Facts on File)--an admirable volume, lots of pix, lots of info. If I had a scanner, you might have gotten a real treatise on the little fuckers; they're quite fascinating.]
1115. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 2:23:18 AM
And, to return to topic, a quiz, derived from the aforementioned tome.
1.) Who are the closest relatives of the elephants?
2.) What is "musth"?
3.) What is the principal food of a walrus?
4.) What was the first marsupial to be taken to Europe, and from where?
5.) Estimate the worth, in US$, of the (otherwise human) food consumed annually by the Norway rat, the Roof rat, and the House mouse (the three most important rodent pests; the figure actually includes the intake of some lesser, unspecified, moochers.)
1116. CalGal - 10/14/1999 2:33:26 AM
1. Rhinos?
2. It's their sex season, or mating season, or something to do with sex.
3. Well, it can't be fish or you wouldn't have asked. I will guess a shellfish. Clams, oysters, or mussels. I will pick alphabetically. Clams. Please don't tell me walruses have to eat that dreadful krill stuff.
1117. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 2:40:48 AM
Cal, #1 is wrong. As for #2, well, you're on the right track, but wrong (and whose is "their"?) #3, on the money: "...bivalve mollusks--the clams, cockles, and mussels that abound on the continental shelves of northern seas. They also eat about 40 other kinds of invertebrates from the sea floor, including several species of crabs, shrimps, ....."
1118. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 2:41:33 AM
Actually, #2 is pretty close to right, but needs a deal more detail.
1119. CalGal - 10/14/1999 2:50:52 AM
2. Elephants. I just assumed you had linked the two questions (1 and 2) together. Isn't it their version of heat?
1120. CalGal - 10/14/1999 2:51:48 AM
Oh, wait. It's for guy elephants, not the chicks. Hmm. Bulls. It's like the bull version of heat, or something.
1121. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 2:54:11 AM
Gotta go ta bed! Answers tomorrow.
BTW, & FWIW, just now, after having been posting merrily for an hour or two, I suddenly lacked a posting window. I went back and registered, discovering that the auto-login box was unchecked. Had _become_ unchecked, I hasten to add; it's been on since it arrived. A poltergeist?
1122. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 10:46:22 AM
Cal scores again! Musth is "a period of high testosterone levels, aggressive behavior, and an increase in sexual activity [that] usually lasts two or three months and tends to coincide with periods of high rainfall".
That leaves, from the original quiz: 1.) Closest relatives of elephants; 4.) First marsupial to Europe, and 5.) Value of rat thefts.
1123. marjoribanks - 10/14/1999 10:52:34 AM
1) Walrus? Hippo?
Musth (or Mast) is a period that Bull elephants go through only twice or thrice in their lives. The animal literally goes "mad" and red-eyed and aggressive and a certain gland on its head oozes a pasty liquid. It is not the equivalent of 'heat' since Elephants breed quite happily outside this season, though no doubt sexual activity is increased during this period.
1124. Schehezarade - 10/14/1999 11:46:14 AM
Note to self:
Avoid elephant safari during Musth period.
1125. CalGal - 10/14/1999 11:59:23 AM
Okay, musth is the elephant equivalent of Pahn-far.
1126. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 2:07:14 PM
What is Pahn-far?
1127. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 2:08:25 PM
Marj: not walrus or hippo. They're quite small, in fact.
And thanks for the elucidation on musth.
1128. CalGal - 10/14/1999 2:34:45 PM
Pahn-far is the Vulcan mating season. It comes upon them two or three times in a lifetime, and they go beserk with lust, rage, and jealousy.
1129. SnowOwl - 10/14/1999 2:37:30 PM
1. I haven't any idea really, but I'll hazard a guess. Ant-eaters
1130. marjoribanks - 10/14/1999 2:46:12 PM
Boyce,
I knew the answer all along. It's the hyrax.
1131. JonesAtLaw - 10/14/1999 2:48:29 PM
No1- Hippos?
1132. tmachine - 10/14/1999 3:07:24 PM
no. 1: tapir
no. 4: duckbilled platypus/Australia?
no. 5: is it mindblowing? $1 billion or something?
1133. Schehezarade - 10/14/1999 3:18:23 PM
Note to self:
Avoid elephant safari during musth period AND vulcan safari during Pahn-far.
1134. TrialShark - 10/14/1999 3:18:41 PM
#1: Manatee
1135. Dantheman - 10/14/1999 3:21:07 PM
Zara,
You were going on a Vulcan safari? Aren't they an endangered species?
1136. Schehezarade - 10/14/1999 3:25:58 PM
I'm just taking notes at this stage.
1137. Raskolnikov - 10/14/1999 3:28:13 PM
#4: I'd guess an Oppossum, from North America.
#5: $10 billion
1138. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 4:22:57 PM
Several pleasant guesses on #1, but Marj got it. The hyraxes, taxonomically in an order with eleven species, are groundhog-size-and-looking creatures that, with the pachyderms, are classified as "primitive ungulates" (the third order of same is constituted by the aardvark). They inhabit sub-Saharan Africa and the Nile Valley, and their range was presumably greater in antiquity, as witness this curious item: "In Phoenician and Hebrew, hyraxes are known as _shaphan_, meaning "the hidden ones". Some 3,000 years ago, Phoenician seamen sailing westward, found land where they saw many animals which they thought were hyraxes, and so they called the place "Ishapan", "island of the hyrax". The Romans later modified the name to Hispania. But the animals were really rabbits, not hyraxes."
T-machine, your #4 is wrong. Number 5 is indeed mindblowing, but it's not $1 billion.
1139. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 4:27:49 PM
Raskolnikov _almost_ had it, but is close enough to be awarded the palm. "When marsupials were first introduced to Europeans in 1500, it was a female Southern opossum (Didelphus marsupialis) from Brazil that the explorer Pinzon presented to the royal court of Ferdinand and Isabella."
#5 is still out there.
1140. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 4:28:57 PM
Make that Pinzón... (trying out all the toys).
1141. JayAckroyd - 10/14/1999 4:29:09 PM
2.) Male elephant heat
3.) Seals
4.) Wombat
1142. JayAckroyd - 10/14/1999 4:29:35 PM
5. $24 billion
1143. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 4:30:51 PM
Jay: as you've doubtless seen by now, yes, no, and no. [Though apparantly a walrus will very occasionally eat a seal.]
1144. cmboyce - 10/14/1999 7:33:49 PM
Close enough, Jay. It's $30 billion. Sorry I was away and didn't acknowledge your answer sooner.
So. Mammals. Anyone wanna do fish?
1145. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 2:22:04 AM
From the obscure, to the esoteric, to the downright arcane, it’s the dreaded Cartman Quiz! You may use whatever resources if you must, but you have to admit to being a wuss. No specific category, this is Potpourri for $1000, Alex!
1146. CalGal - 10/16/1999 3:19:39 AM
2. He was a blacksmith, wasn't he?
6. Atlas Shrugged.
10. Scales.
1147. CalGal - 10/16/1999 3:21:07 AM
8. Jeremy Piven
1148. ee - 10/16/1999 3:22:48 AM
If I remember right Ian Anderson was the man in Tull. Played a wicked flute.
1149. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:23:15 AM
Cal:
#2. No.
#6. No. Atlas Shrugged, a novella? Yikes. It took me almost a month to trudge through that thing.
#10. Be more specific. They're all a certain type of scale.
1150. CalGal - 10/16/1999 3:23:20 AM
7. This is confusing me. I thought it was water, hops, and grain. Are you looking for the specifics on the grain, or do I have it completely wrong? I think barley and wheat are allowed for the grain?
1151. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:24:40 AM
#8. No. Piven was on for a couple years, as Jerry the writer.
ee:
Yes. Ian Anderson was the flautist for Tull. But who was Tull?
1152. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:26:32 AM
Cal:
#7. "Grain" is acceptable, it's actually malted barley, not wheat. Water and hops are also in there. There is one other essential ingredient.
1153. Stumbo - 10/16/1999 3:26:57 AM
2. British inventor of some agricultural machinery, early 18th or so.
3. "Black plowman." (Of course, it's the "schwarze" part that means "black.")
4. Kilmister.
1154. CalGal - 10/16/1999 3:28:00 AM
You're sure Tull wasn't a blacksmith? I could swear I read that somewhere.
I don't read Rand, I thought that was where 2112 came from. I shall have to correct my database.
And shit. Too long since I studied this stuff. Symmetric?
1155. CalGal - 10/16/1999 3:31:37 AM
5. Davis coached at more than one college, didn't he? But the name college was USC, I thought. He scouted for the Colts. I am not sure what other teams he coached for.
1156. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:32:37 AM
Stumbo is close enough on #2. Jethro Tull was an agronomist who invented the horse-drawn sowing drill in 1701.
#3. Yes, "Schwarzenegger" means "black plowman"; that I put two questions sort of associated with plowing back-to-back is coincidental. Where is Ah-nold from?
#4. Yes, but I meant his first name as well. And whence does the nickname come?
Cal:
#10. Exactly. They're all symmetric scales.
1157. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:33:37 AM
Cal:
The college Davis coached at last, before going pro, is not on the West Coast.
1158. CalGal - 10/16/1999 3:33:46 AM
Well, Garafaolo and Torn were on it, so that leaves Dick. Why did I think he was on Sanders' show?
1159. ee - 10/16/1999 3:33:56 AM
When was the last time the cardinals were in the playoffs?
1160. ee - 10/16/1999 3:34:40 AM
When was the last time duh Raiders won a playoff game? hee hee
1161. ee - 10/16/1999 3:37:47 AM
Hasalotamoney Ross Perot
1162. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:43:13 AM
Cal:
#8 is right, it's Dick. I knew you'd go for Piven first; he was very funny on that show by the way.
1163. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:43:58 AM
ee:
When was the last time the Niners beat a good team? ;-)
1164. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 3:48:01 AM
OK, these are the remaining questions:
1. Bill Clinton, George Bush, and H. Ross Perot have a physical trait in common; what is it? Extra credit – what does Perot’s first initial stand for?
3. What Austrian city does Arnold Schwarzenegger hail from?
4. What is Lemmy’s given name [Stumbo got his surname correctly], and how did he acquire his nickname?
5. Before he became synonymous with the Raiders organization, Al Davis (as opposed to Aldavis) was a position coach with another pro football team. Name the team (city and team name), and name the position Davis coached. Bonus points – what college did Davis coach at before he went to the pros?
6. What Ayn Rand novella is the classic Rush concept album 2112 adapted from?
7. According to the official German Reinheitsgebot, what are the four ingredients for beer? [need one more -- Cal has already identified water, malt, and hops]
9. Which NFL team has gone the longest without a playoff appearance?
1165. IrvingSnodgrass - 10/16/1999 4:57:29 AM
1. They're all left-handed.
1166. PelleNilsson - 10/16/1999 6:49:13 AM
7. Yeast.
1167. AceofSpades - 10/16/1999 8:02:45 AM
9. Which NFL team has gone the longest without a playoff appearance?
>>>> This, I'm pretty sure, is the Jets. I picked up a book called "Gang Green" last year, subtitled "A history of the NFL's most incompetent franchise" (or something like that), and I think I read this in the blurb.
1168. AceofSpades - 10/16/1999 8:05:41 AM
Wait a minute. That blurb noted that the Jets had never won a *division championship* since the merger (and it was published before last year, so just shut your frickin' mouths before you try to correct me).
So I don't know. I guess I'll still have to say the Jets.
1169. AceofSpades - 10/16/1999 8:11:16 AM
>>>6. What Ayn Rand novella is the classic Rush concept album 2112 adapted from?
Anthem?
1170. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 5:42:12 PM
Irv:
#1 -- Yes.
Pelle:
#7 -- Yes.
Ace:
#6 -- Yes.
#9 -- No, it's not the Jets, but that's a good guess.
On the Al Davis question, I'm going to drop the part about his college coaching experience. The college I was looking for is The Citadel, believe it or not, but I'm not entirely sure if that was his last college or not. The rest of the question still stands though -- what pro team was Davis a position coach for before he went to the Raiders (city and team name), and what was the position?
1171. CalGal - 10/16/1999 6:10:39 PM
Well, I'll guess the California teams first. It wasn't the Niners. That leaves the Rams or the Chargers? I'll start with Chargers.
1172. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 6:59:44 PM
Cal:
You're getting warmer. Once again, though, I need the city as well as the team name. Recall that the Rams didn't start out in LA (not that the answer is necessarily the Rams).
1173. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 7:02:11 PM
And I take back what I said to Ace about the Jets being a "good guess". Like a schmuck, I too forgot that they were in the playoffs last year. I guess we're all just used to them being losers.
But he did get the Ayn Rand question pretty quick, so he deserves a thumbs-up for that one. I thought that would stump some people, as "Anthem" isn't exactly one of her better known books.
1174. Nostradamus - 10/16/1999 7:17:05 PM
Arnold is from Graz.
1175. Nostradamus - 10/16/1999 7:31:36 PM
And the Saints have never won a playoff game, but that's probably not the right answer.
1176. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 7:49:16 PM
Nostradamus:
#3. Yes, Ah-nold is from Graz.
#9. No, it's not the Aints. Right, we're just looking for playoff appearance, not necessarily a win.
1177. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 7:50:37 PM
OK, here are the remaining few questions:
4. What is Lemmy’s given name [Stumbo got his surname correctly], and how did he acquire his nickname?
5. Before he became synonymous with the Raiders organization, Al Davis (as opposed to Aldavis) was a position coach with another pro football team. Name the team (city and team name), and name the position Davis coached. Bonus points – what college did Davis coach at before he went to the pros?
9. Which NFL team has gone the longest without a playoff appearance?
1178. Angel-Five - 10/16/1999 7:53:08 PM
The Cardinals?
1179. Angel-Five - 10/16/1999 7:58:06 PM
The Seattle Seahawks?
1180. EricCartman - 10/16/1999 8:18:59 PM
A5:
Correct. The Seahawks have not been in playoff competition since '88, the longest current streak in the NFL.
1181. Angel-Five - 10/17/1999 4:37:18 AM
Man, I can't believe all you sci-fi geeks and I get three out of ten answers in a quiz that contains Frank Herbert, William Gibson, Henry Kuttner, Philip Dick, and Michael Moorcock. I'm not even telling you slackers the answers. Yeesh.
Dumbed Down SF Quiz
1)What short story, set in Antarctica, later became in movie format The Thing? Who wrote it?
2) In this famous tale, a man writes a history of WWII (ironically almost exactly like the history we all know) and comes up with it by tossing the I Ching. Who wrote it, what's the name of it? Bonus question: What's the man's name?
3) In this very seminal work, a man unknowingly jumps into an alternate dimension in the middle of an inn's stableyard, while travelling across Europe. The story is told through the eyes of the people who interact with him, and their incredulousness as he relates our history to them conflicts with the growing sense that this man is telling the truth. Who wrote it, what's the name of it?
4) (Note: This story has sold widely under two different names.) This well-known author pens a tale of a dark future where the Communist Bloc (known as the EP or 'enemy powers') controls most of the usable oil left in the world, and US alliance submarines steal it by drilling under the continental shelf and tapping it. But the submarines have been disappearing, and as the latest submarine sorties it becomes clear that one of the few crew members is a sleeper agent for the EP. Author and title. Bonus question: what's the name of the submarine?
1182. Angel-Five - 10/17/1999 4:37:46 AM
cont.
5) Men are hard at work on the Moon, where everyone pulls their weight or else the colony crashes. The men are under a corporate government which retains the right to 'decomp' them for egregious misdeeds -- which means that they get tossed out an airlock, and decompress. And everything is going on in that inimitable unionized way until a traveling whorehouse comes to the workers, all of whom are men, all of whom have been without female company for more than a year. Author and title.
6) This extremely well-known SF and script writer penned a story about a young boy who never gets older and listens to a radio which broadcasts something which no other radio can pick up. His friend, who does age, relates the story and its tragic ending. Author and title.
7) It's pretty much frickin' impossible to be a better known sci-fi writer than this guy. The tale in question is a short story about time travel --about being able to go back in time and change events, but you become ethereal when you do so. The narrator of the story (you don't discover there is one until the end) is the person who first invented the process, thought to have disappeared while making his invention. Author and title.
8) The Chinese middle kingdom has come again, and each continent is ruled by a T'ang. Scientific experimentation is forbidden by an edict. The world is mostly 'stack' cities. War is unknown, rulership is just, and the Seven T'angs have kept the forces of change in check, but an 'underground' movement is threatening to break the status quo wide open. Author and title of the book where the concept is introduced. Bonus: Give the name of the shadowy head of those forces aligned against the Seven.
1183. SnowOwl - 10/17/1999 4:50:14 AM
1. Who goes there, by John W Campbell Jnr
1184. CalGal - 10/17/1999 4:51:59 AM
1) Who Goes There? John Campbell
6) Jeffty is Five--Harlan Ellison
1185. SnowOwl - 10/17/1999 4:53:33 AM
2. The Man in the High Castle, by Phillip K Dick. The book is The Grasshopper Lies Heavy, and the author is Hawthorn Abendsen
1186. Angel-Five - 10/17/1999 4:57:10 AM
1 and 2 to Snowowl, 6 to CalGal.
1187. Angel-Five - 10/17/1999 4:58:39 AM
2 with bonus points, I might add. This is more like it.
1188. SnowOwl - 10/17/1999 6:10:40 AM
7. I think this is The Man who murdered Mohammed, but I'm damned if I can remember who wrote it.
1189. SnowOwl - 10/17/1999 6:21:18 AM
7b) Alfred Bester was the author
1190. Angel-Five - 10/17/1999 6:22:12 AM
One half right, but thirty lashes with a cooked lasagna noodle for forgetting the name.
1191. Angel-Five - 10/17/1999 6:22:53 AM
Two halves right.
1192. SnowOwl - 10/17/1999 6:45:04 AM
8: Chung Kuo: The Middle Kingdom by David Wingrove....as for the bonus point, I throw it open, I can remember almost nothing from the series. It's like Jordan's Wheel of Time, I read the books and forget them immediately.
1193. AceofSpades - 10/17/1999 10:41:47 AM
1)What short story, set in Antarctica, later became in movie format The Thing? Who wrote it?
I believe, but I'm not sure, that Who Goes There was set in the ARCTIC, not the Antarctic; the brilliant Carpenter movie made the antipoidal flip. (Was that the right word? Hell, I'll gamble.)
And Cartman, re the JETS:
OF COURSE the Jets were in the playoffs last year (I noted that myself in my answer). You did not specify that this was a CONTINUING playoff drought, or simply the longest period of time that any team had been absent from the playoffs in the past.
1194. AceofSpades - 10/17/1999 10:48:29 AM
Angel:
On your old quiz:
Well, I know the author of Johnny Mnemonic is Gibson, of course, but I don't know the hydrogen-flight story.
And that would make the author of #5 Fritz Lieber, I guess, who's just about my favorite fantasy author. But I'm unfamiliar with his sci-fi work. So I'll guess the one story I can think of off-hand: Poor Superman.
1195. AceofSpades - 10/17/1999 10:50:37 AM
Ooops. I thought you mentioned Lieber. You didn't, so forget about my Poor Superman answer.
1196. EricCartman - 10/17/1999 1:05:04 PM
Ace:
Ah. I see your point. Sorry about the confusion. Any idea about the Al Davis question?
1197. Raskolnikov - 10/17/1999 1:14:40 PM
Who Goes There, bu Campbell, is set in the antarctic.
1198. Angel-Five - 10/17/1999 9:11:29 PM
Chung Kuo is correct.
Who Goes There is, indeed, set in the Antarctic. If you remember, the thing at the end is trying to manufacture an antigravity unit large enough for it to jump to South America.
It wasn't Fritz Leiber, it was Michael Moorcock. The story was 'Elric at the End of Time'.
1199. Stumbo - 10/18/1999 1:46:54 AM
I posted an identify-the-quote question, over in Language (#995).
(Answer there, if possible.)
1200. DocBrown - 10/18/1999 2:56:53 PM
It's been a prettly long time, but I thought the answer to #7 was 'The Men Who Murdered Muhammed.'
So 3, 4, and 5 are still available?
1201. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 3:13:25 PM
Yes, they're available.
1202. DocBrown - 10/18/1999 3:52:06 PM
#3 sounds like some abridged version of Johnathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. I think that story qualifies as 'very seminal' science fiction, but a few details in the story description are wrong.
From the beginning, Science Fiction has been used for social commentary. I'm sure if a wrack my brain I can come up the story you want.
1203. DocBrown - 10/18/1999 4:02:02 PM
Hey Angel-Five! I think I know at least one on your previous quiz!
#6 is the short story Houston . . . Houston . . . do you read? by James Tiptree Jr. aka Racoona Sheldon. This writer went by several other names, too, but I don't want to spoil another really good trivia question for the future. Didn't Houston . . . Houston . . . do you read? lead to a sequel novel later on?
1204. DocBrown - 10/18/1999 4:21:08 PM
Dammit, I see that CalGal beat me to #6. I was decieved by the fact that Angel ignored her answer and posted a hint.
I know the 'And Delta. Delta was the way home' question, even without the hint. I just can't think of the answer. The hissing is all his radio reciever picks up due to radiation from the split-open nuclear reactor from his one man Mars-lander. I remember the main character timing the orbit of the moons of Mars as he waits to die.
I think the author was Alfred Bester and this short story was included in his Starlight anthology. But I cannot remember the name of the story.
1205. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 4:31:48 PM
I didn't ignore her answer.
3 is incorrect. Gulliver's Travels isn't SF.
1206. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 4:32:19 PM
You have remembered the story right, at least.
1207. DocBrown - 10/18/1999 4:46:21 PM
Angel-Five, I have certainly seen Gulliver classified as SF, but it doesn't matter since I was confident that the story you described was something else. May I assume that the correct answer postdates Jonathan Swift?
Immediately after I posted I realized that you didn't ignore CalGal. I just confused questions 6 and 9 as I was flipping between pages. As I said, Tiptree also writes under various aliases.
1208. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 5:05:14 PM
The story was written by... Theodore Sturgeon. And it was called....
1209. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 5:08:23 PM
Let me restate -- as far as I'm concerned, GT isn't SF. But there are people who construct whole bepimpled social identities about this sort of thing, attend conferences and whatnot, and science fiction to them has some kind of ideologically holy aura about it. They may very well have some kind of definition which would include GT, and, I've no doubt, Utopia and other works, and far be it from me to meddle with their life anchors.
1210. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 5:09:43 PM
...
1211. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 5:10:04 PM
...
1212. Angel-Five - 10/18/1999 5:10:20 PM
...The Man Who Lost The Sea.
1213. DocBrown - 10/19/1999 9:47:34 AM
Yes! The Man Who Lost the Sea!
Surprisingly short, for such a good piece.
Angel, I never thought of 'Gulliver's Travels' as a science fiction story until I saw your question. Wondering, I searched the web and found this in Compton's Encyclopedia. It mentions 'Gulliver's Travels' in its science fiction section. But who cares?
Science fiction makes a lousy life anchor. I know; I tried it when I was about 14, but moved on once I was old enough to play with automobiles. Now there's a life anchor!
Unfortunately, every time I post an automobile trivia quiz at The Mote I get booed off the stage. For example:
On the hood of what marque's classic automobiles might you find an ornament shaped like a sailing ship?
1214. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 10:33:57 AM
I hestitate to call any of them classics- but Plymouth used a sailing ship-the Mayflower.
1215. cmboyce - 10/19/1999 10:37:48 AM
Having no idea what a "marque" is, which reflects my general ignorance of automobiles (in 1955, I could identify most cars I saw, but that was the very height of my automotive acumen), I cannot begin to guess. But lord that sounds lovely. A full-rigged ship or a trim yacht?
1216. DocBrown - 10/19/1999 10:48:30 AM
Doggoneit, JonesAtLaw! You made a liar out of me already. I swear that most Moties usually hate my car trivia questions.
Yes, Plymouth is the marque in question. Here are a couple of pictures I just swiped from Ebay: 
I have more in my personal collection, but they are not on the web at this time. Plymouth went through many variations of the sailing ship theme. The shapes are intended to suggest the Mayflower, but none of them was ever a true image of that ship.
1217. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 10:50:50 AM
Antiques quiz-
1. This well known glass maker once made radiator caps/hood ornaments for classic cars- usually animals.
2. He developed basalt ware, a black porcelain that was popular for busts in the Victorian era-name him.
3. What ingredient is added to glass to make ruby glass?
4. You look at an English silver teapot, and it has several hallmarks on the bottom. One of them is a Lion. What does this tell you?
5. You see a crystal vase in a shop. The dealer tells you that it is made by Waterford, and is cheap because it is a factory second, and it doesn't bear any Waterford mark. What does this tell you about either the dealer or the piece.
1218. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 10:54:26 AM
PS. Doc- anytime you want to do automotive trivia, I am game. Cant' say that I'll be great at it, but it interests me.
1219. DocBrown - 10/19/1999 11:04:37 AM
My only shot is a half guess at #1. The glass animal hood ornaments were probably made by a company in the Toledo, Ohio area. Could it be Owens?
1220. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 11:05:52 AM
Doc- think art glass - etched or frosted.
1221. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 11:07:43 AM
Doc- did they give years for the hood ornaments on E-Bay? The top one looks like it could be from '38 and the second looks like '53 or so.
1222. JudithAtHome - 10/19/1999 11:12:53 AM
1. René Lalique
2. Josiah Wedgewood
5. It tells you either the dealer is honest or cheap.
1223. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 11:17:11 AM
Judith- uh-oh here comes the pro. No. 1 is correct, as is No 2. Number 5 is tricky. I understood all "seconds" at Waterford to be destroyed and reground for recycling into the production of new pieces. I was thinking that the dealer was either uniformed or dishonest. With Marquis by Waterford, pieces made for Waterford in the Czech republic and Portugal, it may not be true. They may sell seconds.
1224. DocBrown - 10/19/1999 11:18:53 AM
Neither seller knows the year. The first is here and the second is here. I'm tempted to bid on the newer one myself, but I haven't. 1225. DocBrown - 10/19/1999 11:19:14 AM
1226. JudithAtHome - 10/19/1999 11:27:32 AM
Jones:
You are probably correct about the Waterford. I've never actually heard of Waterford seconds; I was thinking if there were such things the dealer would've been truthful to admit they were seconds. However, now I see that he was being dishonest because he might be passing off other pieces as Waterford seconds.
1227. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 11:55:00 AM
Judith- Thank you. I remember my mother discussing the destruction of seconds when she took the factory tour. However, there have been significant changes since then (Marquis by Waterford) and I wasn't sure if that was still true after I saw your post.
1228. cmboyce - 10/19/1999 12:11:29 PM
3. I think it's gold, but only because I know gold is used to make the pink in famille rouge porcelain.
4. It depends on whether the lion is represented by a bust or passant--full figure walking. If the former, it is the so-called Leopard's Head mark, the oldest of English hallmarks I'm pretty sure, and it denotes that the material has been assayed as being of a specified purity (varying with era); if the latter, it means the piece was made in London.
1229. JonesAtLaw - 10/19/1999 12:18:07 PM
You are right on No 3- gold is the addition. No. 4 is also correct, and you get bonus points for the London mark!
1230. ee - 10/20/1999 1:21:37 AM
Name that tune:
1.Cow is giving kerosene, kid can't read at seventeen
The words he knows are all obscene, but it's alright
2.Early one mornin' the sun was shinin',
I was layin' in bed
Wond'rin' if she'd changed at all
If her hair was still red.
3.Yeah, momma and poppa told me I was crazy to stay I was gay in New York Which is a fag in L.A. So I saved my money And I took a plane Wherever I go they treat me the same
4.You once thought of me
As a white knight on a steed.
Now you know how happy I can be.
5.Well early in the mornin'
I'm a givin' you the warnin'
Don't you step on my blue suede showes
6.There's a killer on the road.
His brain is squirming like a toad
extra credit:jockomo feno na na nay, jockomo feena nay.
1231. CalGal - 10/20/1999 1:24:40 AM
6. Riders on the storm? The Doors
the extra credit one is a Dead tune, I think.
1232. ee - 10/20/1999 1:25:16 AM
yes and yes
1233. JonesAtLaw - 10/20/1999 1:27:09 AM
1. Touch of Grey- Greatful Dead
2. Tangled Up in Blue- Bob Dylan
5. Roll Over Beethoven- Chuck Berry
6. Riders on the Storm- the Doors
I have no clue on 3, and 4 is driving me nuts....
1234. CalGal - 10/20/1999 1:27:19 AM
4. Daydream Believer! Lordy, a song from my childhood TV days. The Monkees.
1235. SnowOwl - 10/20/1999 1:27:49 AM
Extra Credit Iko Iko
4. Daydream Believer
1236. CalGal - 10/20/1999 1:27:54 AM
3 is a Stones song, and I can hear it, dammit.
1237. ee - 10/20/1999 1:30:12 AM
#4 was for you Calgal
1238. DocBrown - 10/22/1999 9:25:26 AM
Wow, no questions or answers for a couple of days now! Fortunately, while driving to work I was inspired to ask a couple of trivia questions about two of my favorite WWII movies.
1) In The Guns of Navarone one of the team members is wounded, captured, and interrogated by the Germans. This is a classy movie, so the Germans actually spoke German, but even monolinguals like myself could understand the name of the drug they administered as a truth serum. Name this real life drug.
2) Kelly's Heroes is half war movie and half fantasy, full of colorful characters. One of the most memorable characters goes by the nickname Crapgame. Fill in the blank in this line spoken by Crapgame: "A deal deal! Maybe he's a _____________."
1239. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 11:58:41 AM
Doc:
I don't know the answers, but I've seen both movies lots of times. Please ask further questions about either these flicks or about other sixties and seventies WWII movies.
1240. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 12:04:58 PM
1) I seem to rembember a mention of "amityl" or "amitol."
1241. DocBrown - 10/22/1999 2:52:09 PM
Ace, you are not close enough for me to be sure you are thinking of the correct drug. Several scenes before the Germans give the injection, the Americans also mention its name (anticipating that the Germans will use it).
The Guns of Navarone had to be disabled so that a squadron of British ships could cruise by safely. What type of squadron was it?
(Carrier group, cargo convoy, battleship Task Force, battlecruiser Task Force, submarine squadron, etc.).
1242. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 2:57:53 PM
Well, sodium amityl, if that's what you're looking for.
Or I could just guess: sodium pentathal, "th" pronounced as a hard "t," the German way.
As for your next question: No idea, really, though I seem to remember submarines.
Actually, I've only seen "Guns of Navaronne" twice. It's Kelly's Heroes I've seen oodles of times.
Dirty Dozen, Force 10 From Navaronne... these I know.
1243. 109109 - 10/22/1999 3:05:20 PM
War Film Quiz
1) Who plays the American officer who gets his head blown off by a grenade in "The Eagle Has Landed"?
2) Who leads the Polish paratroopers in "A Bridge Too Far"?
3) Who is second in command of the British garrison in "Zulu"?
4) What two actors discover almost simultaneously that Nazis dressed up as GIs are in fact Nazis in "Battle of the Bulge"?
5) Who is the liberal reporter who badgers John Wayne in "The Green Berets"?
1244. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 3:06:12 PM
2) Who leads the Polish paratroopers in "A Bridge Too Far"?
Gene Hackman, unfortunately, in a role that doesn't require him to speak too much.
1245. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 3:11:02 PM
A Bridge Too Far:
A) Who leads the raft attack on the well-defended German shore?
B) Who threatens to kill a doctor unless he operates on his wounded captain?
C) Who chomps a cigar?
D) When the British commandos are trapped behind enemy lines, a supply plane drops supply-cannisters too far away from their position to be safely retrieved. Nevertheless, one soldier runs out to grab a cannister, and is promptly shot to pieces by the Germans. What does the cannister contain?
E) After the British commandos are defeated and Arnem (sp?), a German officer offers the British leaders something to eat, in a gesture of good sportsmanship. What does he offer?
F) Name any big-name American or British stars whose character's died in the film.
1246. 109109 - 10/22/1999 3:13:17 PM
Right on Hackman.
A) Who leads the raft attack on the well-defended German shore?
REDFORD.
B) Who threatens to kill a doctor unless he operates on his wounded captain?
CAAN.
C) Who chomps a cigar?
GOULD.
D) When the British commandos are trapped behind enemy lines, a supply plane drops supply-cannisters too far away from their position to be safely retrieved. Nevertheless, one soldier runs out to grab a cannister, and is promptly shot to pieces by the Germans. What does the cannister contain?
HATS
E) After the British commandos are defeated and Arnem (sp?), a German officer offers the British leaders something to eat, in a gesture of good sportsmanship. What does he offer?
CHOCOLATE
F) Name any big-name American or British stars whose character's died in the film.
NONE
1247. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 3:18:47 PM
D)
More specific on "HATS"? Kind and color?
1248. 109109 - 10/22/1999 3:24:24 PM
RED BERETS
1249. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 3:27:27 PM
Red?
I thought Black. But now that you say Red, I see Red Berets.
I see a Red Beret on Sean Connery, whereas just a moment ago I saw a black beret.
1250. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 3:31:19 PM
Let us say "red." All this bickering is pointless. It doesn't matter if you said black and I said, correctly, red. All that matters is, in the end, is that Love is All You Need, as one crazy dreamer said so long ago.
That crazy dreamer's name?
You guessed it: Cambodian Strongman Pol Pot, beloved host of Cambodia's Number One Rated variety hour, Pol Pot and his Komedy Killing Fields.
1251. 109109 - 10/22/1999 3:37:35 PM
What actor has never, ever ridden in or on a tank on film
1) Michael Caine
2) Telly Savalas
3) Robert Shaw
4) Gavin MacLeod
5) James Garner
6) Paul Newman
1252. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 3:46:43 PM
1) Michael Caine -- Caine did in Bridge
2) Telly Savalas -- this is a tough one. He's obviously been around tanks (Kelly's Heroes, Dirty Dozen), but was he actually in the tank?
3) Robert Shaw -- Same problem as above. Force 10, Bridge... hmmmm.
4) Gavin MacLeod -- Was a tank-driver in Kelly's Heroes. Sutherland's second in command.
5) James Garner -- was in a Tank in, as it turns out, "Tank."
6) Paul Newman -- no recollection of Newman in a tank. Can't even think of a Newman war film.
I'll say Newman.
1253. 109109 - 10/22/1999 3:55:58 PM
Bingo! Well done. Come to think of it, I don't Newman has done a war film, per se.
Shaw was the tank dude in "Battle of the Bulge." So was Savalas. Savalas also rode on Sutherland's tank in "Kelly's Heroes."
1254. cazart - 10/22/1999 4:00:49 PM
Paul Newman: The Secret War of Harry Frigg
1255. AceofSpades - 10/22/1999 4:01:35 PM
Savalas also rode on Sutherland's tank in "Kelly's Heroes."
Yeah? When?
I don't remember him being in the tank. I remember him, Eastwood, and Sutherland walking from Sutherland's tank towards the German tank, but I don't remember him being on the tank.
Seems to me Sutherland wasn't with Eastwood and Savalas much. He unites with them at the end, but when during the final sequence does Savalas hitch a ride? He had his own stuff to do.
1256. harper - 10/22/1999 4:13:33 PM
Doc:
Re; 1238: Is #1 scopalomine?
Have no idea what #2 is.
1257. DocBrown - 10/22/1999 4:27:57 PM
Bingo Harper! Good job remembering that scopalomine was the drug the Germans used as a truth serum in The Guns of Navarone.
BTW Didn't Telly Savalas spend a lot of time in a tank in The Battle of the Bulge? That should settle the issue without re-watching Kelly's Heroes.
1258. Angel-Five - 10/22/1999 7:31:50 PM
BTW: Crapgame says 'Maybe the guy's a Republican.'
1259. Angel-Five - 10/22/1999 7:33:32 PM
I think it's scopolamine.
1260. Angel-Five - 10/22/1999 7:49:34 PM
War Movie Trivia
(Have you noticed how hard it is to come up with IMDBer-proof trivia?)
1) Who are General Buford's two subordinate colonels in Gettysburg and which one says 'Oh, you know me, sir, I'm the soul of caution.'
2) In that movie, who says 'Worst...ground... I ever...saw..."
3) Why is the doctor so reluctant to give first aid to his wounded friend on board the Memphis Belle, in the movie of that name?
4)Name the movie and speaker: "This! is Tunis!"
5)Name the movie and speaker: 'Mark 6! And we got 'im by the ass!'
1261. stinky - 10/23/1999 3:16:50 PM
1243 #5 David Janssen?
1262. stinky - 10/23/1999 4:07:15 PM
Game quiz:
1) Which piece of property is landed on most frequently in Monopoly? Which color group?
2) Microsoft states that it believes all starting positions in Freecell are winnable. Prove whether this is true.
3) Which early video game featured as its objective destroying a pivoting spaceship in the middle of rotating concentric rings that initially protected it (as well as you)?
4) What are treants, and how did they get that name?
5) Many Avalon Hill games use proprietary dice that give results in the range 10 to 39. Which two numbers have the most probability of occurring, and which one number has the least?
6) In which game can you give an opponent a creve?
7) In the Game of Life, what do you use your playing piece to accumulate (physically)?
8) What is the theoretical limit that a player could win in a single game on Jeopardy?
1263. Angel-Five - 10/23/1999 4:14:33 PM
BTW: I can't remember if Michael Caine was commander or second in command in Zulu.
1264. EricCartman - 10/24/1999 1:15:50 AM
3) Which early video game featured as its objective destroying a pivoting spaceship in the middle of rotating concentric rings that initially protected it (as well as you)?
Star Castle.
8) What is the theoretical limit that a player could win in a single game on Jeopardy?
First round score, assuming the daily double is in a $200 square (lowest allowable value) and you hit it last and go for double or nothing, is $17,600.
There are two daily doubles in the second round. If they are in $400 squares and they are the last two hit (assuming double or nothing again), it gets scary. You would have a total of $34,800 before you hit the first DD, then $69,800 before you hit the 2nd DD, ending the 2nd round with $139,600.
Bet it all in Final Jeopardy, and you get $279,200.
1265. EricCartman - 10/24/1999 1:16:16 AM
3) Which early video game featured as its objective destroying a pivoting spaceship in the middle of rotating concentric rings that initially protected it (as well as you)?
Star Castle.
8) What is the theoretical limit that a player could win in a single game on Jeopardy?
First round score, assuming the daily double is in a $200 square (lowest allowable value) and you hit it last and go for double or nothing, is $17,600.
There are two daily doubles in the second round. If they are in $400 squares and they are the last two hit (assuming double or nothing again), it gets scary. You would have a total of $34,800 before you hit the first DD, then $69,800 before you hit the 2nd DD, ending the 2nd round with $139,600.
Bet it all in Final Jeopardy, and you get $279,200.
1266. cmboyce - 10/24/1999 1:59:35 AM
I'm pretty sure the color group most frequently landed on in Monopoly is the oranges (Tennessee, New York, and Something), because people coming out of jail are likely to hit it. And so, I'll guess the single property most often hit is New York Avenue.
1267. Angel-Five - 10/24/1999 3:02:59 AM
Illinois Avenue in red. Treants are large tree-shaped humanoids. They got that name to avoid a lawsuit from Tolkien's estate. You accumulate family members in Life. They're little pegs.
1268. Aldavis - 10/24/1999 3:18:29 AM
What was the year of the first Nixon-Kennedy debate?
1269. stinky - 10/24/1999 9:55:48 AM
Cartman, you made a slight math error in doubling $34,800. So the final answer (I get) is $278,400. Thanks for the info about the DD. I've never seen it show up in a square worth less than $300, but I wasn't certain there was a rule. Star Castle is correct.
cmboyce is correct about the oranges. Angel-Five is correct about Illinois Avenue.
Angel-Five is also correct about treants, Tolkien, and the Game of Life.
Answers to 2, 5, and 6 tomorrow if no one gets them.
1270. stinky - 10/24/1999 10:04:54 AM
Aldavis, it's not 1960?
1271. CalGal - 10/24/1999 1:15:05 PM
2) 11982 is generally accepted to be unsolvable. I'm not sure about how you'd prove it. And you are talking about the MS 32K, right? There are technically 52! deals, but that wasn't what MS made the claim about. MS says that it is "believed, but not proven" that all games are winnable.
1272. TrialShark - 10/24/1999 1:31:41 PM
# is Milles Borne. A "creve" is a flat tire.
1273. TrialShark - 10/24/1999 1:48:36 PM
#6 is Milles Borne.
Sheesh. That'll teach me to post without checking for dust.
1274. stinky - 10/24/1999 2:31:40 PM
Good point, CalGal. I actually meant whether the initial deal can be arranged so that the game is unwinnable, rather than just the subset Microsoft provides. So 11982 is supposed to be unsolveable? Hmmm...
TrialShock is right about #6.
1275. stinky - 10/24/1999 2:34:19 PM
I meant TrialShark. Who was that who said something about checking for dust?
1276. stinky - 10/24/1999 9:00:28 PM
After thinking about the Freecell problem some more in terms of CalGal's remarks...
Might be able to use a Chomsky-type grammar and a parser to prove or disprove for the Microsoft subset of hands (it's easily disproved for all hands--if necessary, I'll provide an example hand that is obviously unwinnable). Starting positions (hands) could be treated like strings. Syntactically correct strings are those that reduce to the "solved" position through the various moves (productions) of the grammar. (The language's grammar isn't nearly as complicated if viewed in terms of 26 symbols--2 colors x 13 card values.
Build a parser that could recognize this grammar, then feed all 32,000 "strings" into the parser and determine which parsed and which didn't? This may not be anymore computationally doable than the brute force method, but it sounds intellectual, eh?
1277. CalGal - 10/24/1999 9:09:45 PM
Have you read about Freecell? There's a great deal on the web about it, for some reason. It has the highest win percentage of any solitair game. So there are studies on it, there are a list of games that you can win without ever using a freecell (as a storage, rather than move, cell), there are a list of games that are extremely difficult, and then there is the general consensus about 11982. But you might want to do a search and check it out--someone may already have done what you're talking about.
1278. 109109 - 10/24/1999 9:22:13 PM
Stinky
Correct on Jansen.
Leaving, unanswered for post 1243, nos 1, 3 and 4.
1279. 109109 - 10/24/1999 9:28:41 PM
Angel
Re: 1263. I take this as a guess. It is a correct one.
Nos. 2 and 4 open on 1243.
1280. 109109 - 10/24/1999 9:32:07 PM
Although Stanley Baker and Caine are the same rank, Baker has more service by a few months, and the politely competitive manner in which each man determines who, in fact, is in command is a smartly written part of that film. It effectively and briefly tells you much about each man both temperamentally and historically. And then they can get on with killing scads of tribal warriors.
1281. stinky - 10/24/1999 10:10:03 PM
CalGal, I followed your advice and found a formal proof that not all (random) deals are winnable and an authority that 11982 is indeed unwinnable, although it doesn't meet the characteristics of those hands proven unwinnable above.
1282. Aldavis - 10/24/1999 10:39:10 PM
Stinky
No, the first debate was not in 1960. Care to try again, anyone?
1283. Stumbo - 10/24/1999 10:41:52 PM
OK, here's a really pathetic quiz:
List all the phrases used in the original Gauntlet arcade game. (I can think of 24, at this moment.) Trivial substitutions don't count as separate phrases, of course.
For bragging rights: which one of these phrases could only be used if more than one person was playing?
1284. stinky - 10/25/1999 10:24:31 AM
Stumbo, is it "Someone shot the food"?
That was a great game, but it has been years and years since I played it.
1285. DocBrown - 10/25/1999 11:15:04 AM
Over the weekend, Angel got my two WWII movie questions right. In Kelly's Heroes, Crapgame says: "Maybe the guy's a Republican." and the drug used as a truth serum in The Guns of Navarone was scopolamine, although Harper got it right first.
1286. JJBiener - 10/25/1999 11:27:53 AM
Doc - In Kelly's Heroes, what was the actor and character who said "Always with the negative waves!"?
1287. cmboyce - 10/25/1999 1:27:00 PM
Did the Kennedy-Nixon debate in question take place between Bobby K. and the Dick during the Kefauver hearings? That would be 1952, I think.
1288. Angel-Five - 10/25/1999 2:23:37 PM
I have a friend, a wargaming enthusiast, who splits his time between 1) Napoleonics and Civil war miniature wargaming and 2)Brits vs. Zulus and other indigenous armies. And you absolutely cannot watch that Caine movie with him because he's just so gleeful that his wargaming rules so exactly fit the movie.
1289. 109109 - 10/25/1999 2:28:40 PM
I watched Zulu with a girlfriend many moons ago. After consistent wanton slaughter, she emitted a compassionate moan after a yak bought it by spear. Thereafter, I was not surprised when the world stopped when whales were caught in ice.
1290. DocBrown - 10/25/1999 3:32:27 PM
JJ, I'm pretty sure the line was said by Odd Ball, played by Donald Sutherland. He said it to Moriarty, played by Gavin MacLeod.
-
Angel, my Brother-In-Law is now a VP at a big high-tech corporation, but fifteen years ago he was into Historic Re-enactments. He seems very mature on the outside, but he becomes a frothing fanatic whenever you mention "Zulu." Apparently that movie fits the re-enactment rules really well, too.
1291. CalGal - 10/25/1999 3:38:47 PM
Thereafter, I was not surprised when the world stopped when whales were caught in ice.
Yes, and we wailed when the cute little dogs died in A Fish Called Wanda, and when the dog and the horse bought it in Dances With Wolves. But it's not animals, per se.
The world also stops for little girls who are stuck in deep holes in the ground because their parents are stupid. And plane crashes, earthquakes, and other disasters with a satisfactory body count--provided that too many of them don't happen in a row, because then we get bored.
Like when Humphrey the whale came to town the second time. We helped him out, but we were cranky about it--and told him that next time he showed up, he was on his own.
1292. CalGal - 10/25/1999 4:26:58 PM
Anyway, back to quizzes. What are the questions to these answers?
1293. stinky - 10/25/1999 4:29:15 PM
1) Assassin of Franz Ferdinand
2) Assassin of Garfield (?)
6) Assassin of cock robin
7) Assassin of Trotsky
1294. stinky - 10/25/1999 4:30:16 PM
Oops, should be a question so each of those should have "Who was" in front.
1295. CalGal - 10/25/1999 4:31:32 PM
Got all but #2.
1296. stinky - 10/25/1999 4:35:12 PM
Darn, and it was a 50-50 guess.
1297. OhioSTOPAS - 10/25/1999 4:40:22 PM
2. Who killed McKinley?
1298. JJBiener - 10/25/1999 4:42:11 PM
Doc - Very good. I always liked that movie. One more question. What was theme song and who sang it. OK, that's two questions.
1299. Dusty - 10/25/1999 4:42:18 PM
stinky
Interesting comments on Freecell. I've spent more time than I care to admit playing it. I have vaguely thought about whether I could arrange the cards in a way to make it unwinnable, and it seemed likely, but I hadn't tried it. I hadn't run across a game I couldn't win, but I checked my list of tough games, and I see that 11982 isn't on the list. Is it the same under NT as WIN 95?
One other person in the office plays, but he just plays and tries to win as many as he can, with winning percentages in the 95% range. I took a different tack, and try to see how many consecutive games I can win. It requires a different approach to playing. Unfortunately, I win a few in a row, then get lazy and get myself into trouble, so I haven't mange to win more than 150 in a row. But I'm getting better.
1300. CalGal - 10/25/1999 4:42:21 PM
Stinky, ha! Yes, it was, and Ohio just nabbed the only other possibility.
1301. CalGal - 10/25/1999 4:43:03 PM
Dusty--yes, the games are the same on all versions of MS.
1302. OhioSTOPAS - 10/25/1999 4:49:29 PM
Yeah, Mckinley was easy after Stinky's guess and hint.
I know I've heard the name Charlotte Corday before, but I can't place her . . .
1303. JayAckroyd - 10/25/1999 4:55:16 PM
In Simon Singh's The Code Book he offers 10 ciphers to be decoded. They are in increasing order of difficulty. The first is quite easy, so I won't bore you with it. (It took longer to type it into Word than it did to solve it.) Here's the second:
MHILY LZA ZBHL XBPZXBL MVYABUHL HWWPBZ JSHBKPBZ JHLJBZ KPJABT HYJHUBT LZA ULBAYVU
This is labeled a Caesar shift cipher. This kind of cipher entails using a keyword to assign the first several letters of the code, and then assigning the next unused letters alphabetically, and then going to the beginning of the alphabet. Using themote as a keyword has this effect (one drops repeated letters):
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
THEMOPQRSUVWXYZABCDFGIJKLN
The first person to solve all 10 ciphers wins $15,000. There is a code word associated with each cipher, that may be helpful with the next one. The codeword for the first cipher was othello.
And you know what? Until I typed this post, I was stumped. But I just solved it.
1304. JayAckroyd - 10/25/1999 5:04:55 PM
On the free cell question, a friend of mine who works at MS said that at the U of Texas a group of people played every game in order to test the claim that every game is winnable. There was one that was not, which must be 11982.
It would seem trivially easy to arrange the cards so the game isn't winnable. For example, make the top row the four aces followed by the four twos. Make the next row the four kings followed by the four queens. Insert the four tens in the first column, the four nines in the second, and so forth, ending with the same suit each time. You have the jacks left. Place them on alternating columns, starting with the tens. Rearrange the columns so the longest ones are on the left.
1305. CalGal - 10/25/1999 5:07:30 PM
Jay,
Remember, MS only provides 32K games, not the entire range of possible games (52!).
1306. JayAckroyd - 10/25/1999 5:10:46 PM
Right.
1307. JayAckroyd - 10/25/1999 5:13:08 PM
BTW, the reason for the keyword use in a Caeser shift cipher is to make it possible to use the cipher without making a permanent record. You only have to remember the keyword, and so you can destroy the cipher when you're finished encrypting or decrypting the message.
1308. CalGal - 10/25/1999 5:14:06 PM
I couldn't tell if you were expressing amazement at the notion that all but one could be won. Sorry if I was stating the obvious.
Anyway, I've been playing the game since it first came out, and it's only about a year ago that I found out about the little cult in its honor. I'm just a solitaire nut in general, so I'd never really considered how unique it was.
1309. stinky - 10/25/1999 5:38:17 PM
Dusty, I don't have any games on any of my computers anymore. Too tempting. Message boards are bad enough--heh-heh-heh.
1310. Stumbo - 10/25/1999 7:49:48 PM
3) Marat, 4) Rabin, 5) Gandhi, 7) take your pick
1311. arkymalarky - 10/25/1999 7:49:50 PM
#3 Who killed Marat?
I never seem to get in on these quizzes unless I'm totally clueless.
1312. arkymalarky - 10/25/1999 7:50:37 PM
Dadgumit. And when I do I'm a day late and a dollar short. Congrats, Stumbo.
1313. Stumbo - 10/25/1999 7:56:31 PM
2 seconds? Wow.
1314. Stumbo - 10/25/1999 8:05:28 PM
Stinky, #1284:
Excellent -- that wasn't even on my list of 24. However, I'm not 100% certain that that was never used with just one player (though I agree it would make less sense).
The one I am sure about is "[So-and-so] has been eating all the food lately."
In view of #1309, perhaps I shouldn't mention that MAME lets you play Gauntlet and hundreds of other classic arcade games, for absolutely free...
1315. Aldavis - 10/25/1999 10:47:26 PM
cmboyce
1952 is not correct. the correct year is 1947 when kennedy and Nixon were in Congress.
1316. Indiana Jones - 10/26/1999 11:34:27 AM
Stumbo,
Another one I remember is: "so-and-so needs food...badly." Of course each character had a different sound when eating, getting hit, and dying. (As I recall, Valkyrie's moans were a bit titilating.) I checked your link but didn't see Gauntlet there--which is probably a good thing!
1317. JonesAtLaw - 10/26/1999 12:01:41 PM
Indiana- Hi cousin!
1318. Schehezarade - 10/26/1999 12:09:08 PM
An easy trivia question for you:
Where did the term "survival of the fittest" come from?
1319. OhioSTOPAS - 10/26/1999 12:10:18 PM
The Origin of Species?
1320. OhioSTOPAS - 10/26/1999 12:11:28 PM
If not Darwin, I'll guess philosopher Herbert Spencer (proponent of so-called "Social Darwinism").
1321. Schehezarade - 10/26/1999 12:16:51 PM
OhioSTOPAS
Did you cheat?;-p Regardless, you're correct in guessing Spencer. I wonder if high school science teachers know that it wasn't Darwin to coin the term.
1322. Schehezarade - 10/26/1999 12:20:59 PM
Another question:
Where the hell is everyone?
1323. Schehezarade - 10/26/1999 12:27:40 PM
I think I just heard an echo, so I'll be heading home now.
1324. OhioSTOPAS - 10/26/1999 12:29:19 PM
Zara: No, I remember a discussion of Spencer from Philosophy class in college (that was long enough ago that if I were George W. Bush, I would refuse to confirm whether I ever attended college).
As I remember my professor telling it, Spencer was a little-known philopher in England. However, Spencer became the toast of America, his philosophy hailed by the "robber baron" millionaires of early 20th century America whose interests were served by his views. Kind of a Rush Limbaugh of his day.
1325. Indiana Jones - 10/26/1999 12:44:20 PM
You may be selling Spencer short, because I seem to remember Tolstoy's later philosophy being influenced by his. A biologist like Darwin (?), he was probably more anarchist than anything else. Always, one needs to remember how dominant top-down nation-states were in those days in judging whether he was like Rush.
1326. Indiana Jones - 10/26/1999 1:38:39 PM
Hello, lawerin' cuz!
1327. OhioSTOPAS - 10/26/1999 1:54:27 PM
1. Response by Allied commander at Battle of the Bulge to German demand for surrender.
4. American volunteers fighting in Spanish Civil War.
1328. Indiana Jones - 10/26/1999 2:48:51 PM
Right on both, Ohio. McAuliffe (sp?) was the commander.
1329. JonesAtLaw - 10/26/1999 2:54:46 PM
2. Peach Orchard- part of Gettysburg battlefield. A rebel position.
1330. Angel-Five - 10/26/1999 2:55:02 PM
The Peach Orchard was a strip of land occupied by the men of Daniel Sickles during Gettysburg. Repeated Confederate attacks drove them out and both sides bled themselves dry there.
1331. Angel-Five - 10/26/1999 2:55:43 PM
Daniel Sickles was a union general. I see Jones scooped me, though.
1332. JonesAtLaw - 10/26/1999 2:56:17 PM
6 has something to do with Foch.
1333. CalGal - 10/26/1999 3:10:59 PM
5) There was a Ferguson rifle, I think. Revolutionary war.
7) Joan of Arc's birthplace
1334. JonesAtLaw - 10/26/1999 3:20:35 PM
CalGal is right on the Ferguson rifle, it was a early practical breechloader, which had a handle that operated a screw that served as a breechblock. The remainder of the lock and weapon was a conventional flintlock.
1335. glendajean - 10/26/1999 3:28:47 PM
4) Americans fighting with the Spanish left against Franco in the Spanish civil war (1938?).
1336. Indiana Jones - 10/26/1999 3:52:42 PM
Dang, you people are so good! Patrick Ferguson, inventor of the Ferguson rifle, was the British commander killed at the Battle of Kings Mountain. The Peach Orchard has also been correctly identified, as well as Domremy. So 3, 6, and 8 are left. Lawyerin' Cuz has got the right war about #6. The important part of the clue is the date.
1337. Stumbo - 10/26/1999 7:39:46 PM
IJ:
You have to get the emulator software and the "ROMs" (specific game code) separately. The page I cited in #1314 has links to places you can download the emulator from (there are versions for almost every platform), and to some ROM collections (from which you can pick out whichever games you want).
(Downloading ROMs is kinda legally gray, though, so you might wanna consult with the cuz, first.)
1338. Indiana Jones - 10/27/1999 2:45:04 PM
Here's some help for the remainders from #1326.
3) Classical losers
6) WWII collaborator
8) airPOWER
1339. CalGal - 10/27/1999 2:47:55 PM
February 24, 1916, was the early days of the Battle of Verdun. Add that in with WWII collaborator and I think of Petain. But I don't know what he was doing with his mistress, or why he was in Paris. Maybe there's someone else I'm not thinking of.
1340. Indiana Jones - 10/27/1999 3:59:19 PM
CalGal--That's close enough. The disastrous offensive started on February 21. Petain was asked to assume command on February 25. At the time, he was in a hotel with his mistress in Paris.
1341. CalGal - 10/27/1999 4:27:40 PM
Do you know, that's what my original thought was when you first posted the question. But it seemed to absurd to guess!
1342. Indiana Jones - 10/28/1999 6:25:24 PM
Okay, last two answers for 1326 were...
3. Two Roman commanders defeated by Hannibal
8. Code name for the surprise Israeli (air) attack in the Six Days that destroyed the Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, and Iraqi air forces within the first few hours of the war
1343. SpenceMirrlees - 10/28/1999 11:30:21 PM
not sure if there are any fans here, but here's a Simpons quiz
1. What does the cash register display when Maggie is swiped in the opening sequence?
2. What is the 3-eyed fish's name?
3. What is the name of Springfield's minor league baseball team?
4. Who is the "big ugly head" Mr. Burns gives the family Simpson after Bart donates blood to save Mr. Burns?
5. What type of blood do Bart and Mr. Burns have?
6. What is the name of the comic book guy's shop?
7. Who was Lisa's first love?
8. What is the name of the Homer-lookalike on the box of Japanese soap the Simpsons find at the dump?
9. What's the name of the clothing shop where Homer gets his outfit during his stint as Lurleen Lumpkin's manager?
10. What movie did Homer's girth prevent him from seeing when he gained weight to go on disability? BONUS: Who were the movie's stars?
11. Where did Mr. Burns go to college?
12. With what president is Mr. Burns' mother believed to have had an affair?
13. What does Homer eat that prompts him to say, "mmmm...pointy"?
1344. EricCartman - 10/29/1999 12:17:55 AM
3. Isotopes
6. "The Android's Dungeon"
7. Nelson Muntz
8. Mr. Sparkle
9. "The Corpulent Cowboy"
God, there's at least another 4 that are right on the tip of my....um, keyboard. I'll remember 'em a few seconds after someone else answers.
1345. SpenceMirrlees - 10/29/1999 12:30:59 AM
3,6,8,9 correct
7 incorrect (there was one before Nelson)
1346. SnowOwl - 10/29/1999 1:50:56 AM
2. Blinky
1347. SnowOwl - 10/29/1999 1:57:43 AM
4. Xt'tapalatakettle
1348. SpenceMirrlees - 10/29/1999 2:03:11 AM
both correct
(Xt'Tapalatakettle is also known as the Olmec Indian god of war)
1349. SpenceMirrlees - 10/29/1999 2:07:36 AM
Bonus for our antipodean brethren:
1B: how long has Australia had electricity, according to the postage stamp on the letter Bart receives from the Australian government?
2B: What is the name of the Australian kid Bart talks to on the telephone?
3B: What organization does Bart claim to represent during the call?
4B: What pest does Bart introduce into the ecosystem?
1350. IrvingSnodgrass - 10/29/1999 2:55:58 AM
I've only watched the Simpsons about 4 times ever, but that included the Australian episode, which I saw a few months ago in Australia (leading me to wonder if they show it every week). And I can't even remember the pest running rampant at the end... frogs?
1351. SnowOwl - 10/29/1999 3:08:12 AM
Argh, that episode's only just shown here and I can't remember anything.
1352. DocBrown - 10/29/1999 9:09:38 AM
Was Lisa's first love her substitute teacher, Mr Bergstrom? I think that was in the second season, so it would predate the Nelson Muntz affair. Credit for Bergstrom went to 'Sam Etic,' but the role was obviously voiced by Dustin Hoffman.
1353. DocBrown - 10/29/1999 11:43:46 AM
3) was the question for the above answer. I cannot think of any of the remaining answers.
Here are some questions about my favorite Simpson's episode:
One) What is the name of Troy McClure's agent?
Two) What popular actor supplies the agent's voice?
1354. CalGal - 10/29/1999 2:28:11 PM
Okay, until the night shift comes on with the rest of the Simpson answers, here's a quiz.
TV Series Theme Songs. All are instrumental.
1355. OhioSTOPAS - 10/29/1999 2:29:45 PM
6. Dudley Do-Right.
1356. CalGal - 10/29/1999 2:34:49 PM
Ohio,
That's not the one I'm thinking of, but for all I know it matches the pattern. The first three are tough. The second three, though, are generally known.
1357. JudithAtHome - 10/29/1999 2:39:59 PM
6.) Lone Ranger
1358. JudithAtHome - 10/29/1999 2:41:11 PM
5.) Dick Van Dyke Show
1359. ChristinO - 10/29/1999 2:42:25 PM
Okay, I'm giggling like a fool, but I'm not getting any of 'em.
1360. CalGal - 10/29/1999 2:43:37 PM
Judith--nope.
Lone Ranger would be:
Dah duh dah! Dah duh dah! Dah duh duh duh doo duh duh duh duh DAh....and so on, making it far too tough. (g)
Hints:
1 and 2 are cop shows; 2 is, I believe, the first TV theme song to be a certified hit.
3 is one of the major detective shows from the early 70s. (there were about seven major series from that era, this one's theme song is probably the most well-known)
1361. CalGal - 10/29/1999 2:44:22 PM
JUDITH NABS ONE!!!
I though that would be the easiest. I mean, the ZWEEEET! is a dead giveaway.
1362. theDiva - 10/29/1999 2:45:00 PM
1. The Brady Bunch
2. The Man From Uncle
3. The Lucy Show
4. The Tick
5. Masterpiece Theatre
6. Martha Stewart Living
1363. JJBiener - 10/29/1999 2:46:20 PM
1. Hawaii 5-0
1364. JJBiener - 10/29/1999 2:47:18 PM
2. Dragnet
1365. JudithAtHome - 10/29/1999 2:47:41 PM
2.) Peter Gun
1366. JudithAtHome - 10/29/1999 2:48:31 PM
3.) Hawaii Five-0
1367. JJBiener - 10/29/1999 2:51:45 PM
Sorry, I meant 4 is Dragnet
1368. AceofSpades - 10/29/1999 2:52:29 PM
Hawaii Five-0 would be:
Dah dah dah dah DAH dahhh, da-da-da-da-Dahhhh, dah dah dah dah DAH dahhhh, da-da-da-da-dahhhh, DAH da-da dah dah dah da-da dah, DAH da-da dah dah dah da-da dahhhh, duh-Dahhh dahhh, da-da dah dah DAH!
1369. SnowOwl - 10/29/1999 2:52:36 PM
2. Hill Street Blues
1370. AceofSpades - 10/29/1999 2:58:12 PM
Here's a NON-instrumental theme song:
Dah dah dah da-da dah dahhhhh, dah,
dah dah da-da dah da-dahhhhh,
dah dah dah dahhh, da-dah dah dah dah,
dah dah dah da-da dah DAHHHH...
(Instrumental build up to chorus)
Duh-duh duh DUH dah, Duh-duh duh-duh Duh DUHHHHH...!
(Chorus)
Da-da da da dah, dahhh dah dah da-dah,
da da da da da da dah dahhh dahhhh-ahh-ahhhh
da da da-da, dahh dah da dah dahh,
dahhhhh, da da dahhhh...?
dah dah da-da dah, dah dah dahhhhh....
1371. OhioSTOPAS - 10/29/1999 3:01:44 PM
1 might be Peter Gunn, not 2.
1372. theDiva - 10/29/1999 3:03:09 PM
For a minute there, I thought this was the Politics thread.
1373. AceofSpades - 10/29/1999 3:03:24 PM
For the above song (call it number 15), here's the intrumental lead-in to the first verse:
Duh... duh... dah (da-da dah)
duh, duh, dah (da-da dah)
duh, duh, dahhhh...
1374. AceofSpades - 10/29/1999 3:08:56 PM
come on. Mine is so frickin' easy. (At least it looks easy to me.)
1375. DocBrown - 10/29/1999 3:17:15 PM
CalGal, #2 is obviously the theme from S.W.A.T..
1376. DocBrown - 10/29/1999 3:19:21 PM
Three might be The Rockford Files, since it's not Baretta.
1377. SpenceMirrlees - 10/29/1999 4:02:14 PM
Irv, Doc -- correct
Simpsons Quiz posted in Message # 1343, bonuses in Message # 1349
In Message # 1344 Cartman got 3,6,8,9
In Message # 1352 Doc got 7
In Message # 1350 Irv got 4B
Doc Message # 1353
1. Macarthur Parker
2. Jeff Goldblum
1378. CalGal - 10/29/1999 4:20:14 PM
Doc nabbed SWAT! And you're on the right track with #3--but it's earlier. I'll give you a hint: the star of the show was on an earlier TV series. This earlier TV series has what is probably on the top five best known theme songs (with words) in all history. Used often in those parodies ("sung to the tune of...."). So if you figure that out, you'll be a short step away from the answer to #3.
Doc's is the only correct guess of the ones made in my absence.
Left is #1 (very hard), #3, #4, and #6.
#6 is another gimme. Very, very popular TV show of the 60s. And it has another well known sound associated with it, which I will describe as "Tinkle tinkle tink!" and hope you don't think I'm talking about a potty-training series.
1379. OhioSTOPAS - 10/29/1999 4:23:34 PM
3. Barnaby Jones?
1380. OhioSTOPAS - 10/29/1999 4:24:36 PM
6. Bewitched?
1381. CalGal - 10/29/1999 4:33:06 PM
Ohio nabs 6!
I'm still working on Ace's question.
1382. CalGal - 10/29/1999 4:34:04 PM
Wow, that's weird. I posted that Ohio had answered #3 correctly, but it's not showing up. Yes, #3 is correct. Barnaby Jones. Nice use of the clue!
1383. OhioSTOPAS - 10/29/1999 4:37:21 PM
Cal: I got both 3 and 6 from your clues. I can't quite place the Bewitched theme song, and I have no memory of all of the Barnaby Jones theme. (But of course, I know every word of the Beverly Hillbillies theme - who born before 1960 doesn't?)
1384. CalGal - 10/29/1999 4:42:10 PM
You can't place Bewitched? Heavens.
That leaves #1 and #4.
In one of them, you can triple the question number for a big clue. Huge TV show of the late 80s.
In the other, one of the stars went on to play "the smart one" in a later 70s series.
1385. OhioSTOPAS - 10/29/1999 4:53:40 PM
1. From your clues (cop show and "the smart one" - Kate Jackson?) I'll say "The Rookies".
1386. EricCartman - 10/29/1999 4:55:50 PM
In one of them, you can triple the question number for a big clue. Huge TV show of the late 80s.
That can only mean one classic show --"Manimal". OK, possibly "The A-Team".
Shit, I'm stumped. I'm trying to place all the old TV themes I used to play when I felt like screwing with the drunks (like Bewitched, Jeopardy, and Simpsons), and I'm drawing a blank.
1387. ElliottRW - 10/29/1999 4:57:53 PM
CG,
"Three's Company"?
1388. CalGal - 10/29/1999 4:58:08 PM
My lord, Ohio. Most people never can figure out my clues! Yes. It had that great trombone theme.
So that means #4 is left, and you can triple it to come up with a clue. Like this: 444
1389. CalGal - 10/29/1999 4:58:36 PM
Oh, gosh. I forget that most people don't call that tripling. So whatever it's called, that's what I meant.
1390. ElliottRW - 10/29/1999 4:58:37 PM
Oh wait, they're words to that one.
1391. OhioSTOPAS - 10/29/1999 5:02:05 PM
"444" is a clue??? Now I'm stumped.
1392. Dusty - 10/29/1999 5:05:17 PM
Room 222 with twins?
1393. CalGal - 10/29/1999 5:06:26 PM
Ha, ha. Hey, Room #222 has a good theme song, too.
No, combine Huge Hit of the Late 80s with 444 and you get....
1394. JJBiener - 10/29/1999 6:41:42 PM
St. Elsewhere?
1395. SpenceMirrlees - 10/29/1999 6:45:14 PM
Simpsons quiz answers (quiz in Message # 1343):
I forgot to say that SnowOwl got nos. 2 and 4 back in Message # 1346
1. Maggie costs $847.63 according to the cash register
2. (SnowOwl)
3. (Cartman)
4. (SnowOwl)
5. Bart and Mr. Burns both have type double o-negative blood
6. (Cartman)
7. (DocBrown)
8. (Cartman)
9. (Cartman)
10. Homer couldn't see Honk if You're Horny because of his girth. BONUS: the stars were Faye Dunaway and Pauly Shore
11. Mr. Burns went to Yale
12. Mr. Burns' mother is believed to have had an affair with President Taft
13. Homer says, "mmmm...pointy" after eating the cake topper from Selma and Troy McClure's wedding
Bonus questions from the Australia episode:
1B. The stamp says Oz has had electricity for 30 years
2B. The kid's name is Tobias Drundridge
3B. Bart claims to represent the International Drainage Commission, calling to see which direction drains flow
4B. (Irv)
1396. Dusty - 10/30/1999 11:19:34 AM
1397. ElliottRW - 10/30/1999 1:18:27 PM
Handle Quiz
1398. Dusty - 10/30/1999 1:22:20 PM
6. SouPISGoodfOOd
1399. Dusty - 10/30/1999 1:23:20 PM
2. Christ - I - know
1400. Dusty - 10/30/1999 1:24:03 PM
5. Godlessclif?
1401. PelleNilsson - 10/30/1999 1:48:54 PM
5. Angel-Five?
1402. Indiana Jones - 10/30/1999 2:27:53 PM
4. CalGal (instead of Calgon)
1403. Dusty - 10/30/1999 2:30:00 PM
| ANOTHER DAY IN PARADISE | Irving Snodgrass |
| EVERYDAY | CalGal |
| CAN´T FIND MY WAY | Elliot |
| I´M NOT MOVING | Glendajean |
| PLEASE COME OUT TONIGHT | Cellar Door |
| THERE´S A PLACE FOR US | Ronski |
| LIKE CHINA | PincherMartin |
| WE WAIT AND WE WONDER | Lepus E Ursa |
| THE WEST SIDE | CalGal |
| I´VE FORGOTTEN EVERYTHING | AlDavis |
| A GROOVY KIND OF LOVE | Diva |
| DON´T LOSE MY NUMBER | Niner |
DRONED | Ace |
AGAINST ALL ODDS (TAKE A LOOK AT ME NOW) | Ladychaos |
| THE ROOF IS LEAKING | Godlessclif |
| YOU CAN´T HURRY LOVE | Fraaaankster |
1404. ElliottRW - 10/30/1999 5:27:42 PM
Dusty -- 6. Soup -- Correct!
Dusty -- half credit for 2. Christ-I-Know.
Pelle -- 5. Angel-five -- Correct!
Dusty -- half credit for 5. godlesscliff.
IndianaJones -- 4. CalGal -- Correct!
That leaves 1, 2, & 3 to go. I'll give the answers on Monday.
1405. Angel-Five - 10/30/1999 5:50:20 PM
Well, I always think of Christi - No! but I don't know if that's how you think of it.
1406. ElliottRW - 10/31/1999 7:22:55 AM
Angel-Five -- 5. Christi-No! Correct!
1407. Indiana Jones - 10/31/1999 10:50:16 AM
1. Pseudoerasmus and Sue-sue-suedio? (Obviously, I don't know how to spell the title of the song.)
1408. ElliottRW - 10/31/1999 6:22:43 PM
Indiana Jones -- 1. Pseu-pseu-pseudio. Close!
I'll give you half credit--correct song, wrong handle.
1409. JonesAtLaw - 10/31/1999 6:24:50 PM
1.Trial Shark?
1410. dusty - 10/31/1999 6:40:43 PM
1. SUSSUDIO Stostosto?
1411. ElliottRW - 10/31/1999 10:02:12 PM
JonesAtLaw -- 1. TrialShark ???
Dusty -- 1. SUSSUDIO Stostosto. Correct!
That leaves only 3. Who is 3-3-bee?
1412. IrvingSnodgrass - 10/31/1999 10:16:31 PM
iiibbb
1413. Dusty - 11/1/1999 11:15:49 AM
Irv
Yes, of course. So obvious AFTER seeing it.
1414. 109109 - 11/1/1999 11:23:11 AM
Follow the train
1. Authored Jude the Obscure
2. Starred aside Richard Burton and Roger Moore in "The Wild Geese."
3. Gold coin.
4. Co-Defensive MVP of a Super Bowl
5. Billy Idol Hit
6. One of the Monopoly Railroads, as pronounced by Barbra Walters.
7. Patrick Swayze film, with Ben Gazarra.
8. Walter Matthau film, with Glenda Jackson
9. Blondie Hit.
10. "Lovely Rita, ______ maid."
1415. Dusty - 11/1/1999 11:47:09 AM
11. Ahnold Role ?
1416. Dusty - 11/1/1999 11:48:59 AM
Triva question related to Niner Quiz
The name of the actual person who inspired number 10 was not Rita. What was her name?
(Some will probably tell me that this is not a true fact, but I did hear it.)
1417. Dusty - 11/1/1999 11:50:11 AM
12. Movie about Pearl Harbor
(I'm not sure if this follows the rules.)
1418. 109109 - 11/1/1999 11:54:55 AM
Dusty
You need to answer 1-10 sequentially.
1419. Dusty - 11/1/1999 12:02:52 PM
109109
I have, but I did it with help, so I cannot answer, other than those I figured out without help
3. Krugerrand
5. White Wedding
6. Weading Wail Woad
10 Meter
1420. cazart - 11/1/1999 12:06:10 PM
Hardy Kruger Randy White wedding Roadhouse calls Meter
1421. Dusty - 11/1/1999 12:08:54 PM
109109
I have, but I did it with help, so I cannot answer, other than those I figured out without help
3. Krugerrand
5. White Wedding
6. Weading Wail Woad
10 Meter
1422. Dusty - 11/1/1999 12:09:16 PM
If you accept my # 12, I'll follow (getting into trouble) with
13. Memphis based Rock Band
14. Japanese Formula 1 driver
15. Japanese plastics manufacturer
16. Watch brand
1423. 109109 - 11/1/1999 12:17:35 PM
Unanswered thus far
1. Authored Jude the Obscure
8. Walter Matthau film, with Glenda Jackson
9. Blondie Hit.
1424. JJBiener - 11/1/1999 12:40:37 PM
8. House Calls
9. Call Me
1425. 109109 - 11/1/1999 12:42:12 PM
Only Number 1 remains.
1426. JJBiener - 11/1/1999 12:44:23 PM
1. Thomas Hardy
1427. 109109 - 11/1/1999 12:45:37 PM
The circle is complete.
1428. CalGal - 11/1/1999 12:46:07 PM
ACtually, cazart answered the Hardy question earlier.
1429. JJBiener - 11/1/1999 12:48:31 PM
11. Terminator
12. Tora Tora Tora
13. Tora Tora
14. Tora Takagi
1430. Dusty - 11/1/1999 1:14:06 PM
JJ Correct!
1431. ElliottRW - 11/1/1999 2:53:13 PM
Irv--3. iiibbb is, of course, correct.
Thanks to all who played my quiz.
1432. iiibbb - 11/1/1999 8:51:31 PM
Here is a quiz... since I am the subject... who has the most reasonable or creative guess as to where I got the nick from ... lol :)
1433. OhioSTOPAS - 11/2/1999 7:50:36 PM
Hey, Cal, how about the answer to the remaining TV theme song? (Mostly, I'm intrigued why "444" is a clue.)
1434. CalGal - 11/2/1999 8:50:56 PM
Oh, sorry!
It was LA Law. 444 was the building number that always showed up right at the beginning when the theme music started.
1435. cmboyce - 11/2/1999 8:54:44 PM
iiibbb: I will guess that your name irl is: Ichabod Irving Impossibilimus Bartram Belle Bratwurst.
1436. CharlieL - 11/2/1999 9:21:23 PM
"who has the most reasonable or creative guess as to where I got the nick from"
You cut yourself shaving?
1437. 109109 - 11/3/1999 10:10:50 AM
Quiz: Follow the train
1) Author of "Harp" and "Dutch Shea Jr."
2) Jason Alexander film about an orangutan
3) Ann Rice's breakout novel
4) Nicholas Cage film
5) Richard Widmark film
6) Meryl Streep film
7) English cow
8) New York university
9) SE Virginia channel at the mouth of the James River
10) Bill Bradley and Bill Clinton
1438. cmboyce - 11/3/1999 10:16:35 AM
8. Hampton Roads
9. Rhodes scholars
1439. Indiana Jones - 11/3/1999 10:17:53 AM
1) Dunne
2) Dunston Checks In
3) Interview with the Vampire
4) Vampire's Kiss
5) Kiss of Death
6) Death Becomes Her
7) Hereford
8) Fordham
9) ?
1440. cmboyce - 11/3/1999 10:18:44 AM
Sorry, that's 9 & 10.
1441. Indiana Jones - 11/3/1999 10:20:42 AM
In that case, high-five, Boyce!
1442. cmboyce - 11/3/1999 10:31:45 AM
Yeah!
But, hey, you the man! 8 outa 10.
1443. cmboyce - 11/3/1999 10:56:45 AM
An endless (and hard) chain:
1. Author of Pagans and Christians
2. defect of old prints
3. Sinatra song
4. wild pansy (Viola tricolor
5. Bellow novel
6. recently receded "time"
7. Simone Signoret film (1959)
8. Whitman title
9. Bobby Day hit (1958)
(I have to be gone for several hours. But I'll be back this afternoon with answers.)
1444. cmboyce - 11/3/1999 10:57:45 AM
(Close parentheses at #4)
1445. Indiana Jones - 11/3/1999 11:16:28 AM
A "dark side" quiz:
1) I was half of a pair of famous pre-WWII murderers and wound up slashed to death in the shower while in prison.
2) A famous gangster, I later improved Charles Manson's guitar playing.
3) When not killing folks, I was a city alderman and amateur clown.
4) I was the real life "Psycho."
5) I inspired a song on Springsteen's "Nebraska."
6) Once sent up the river, I received female hormones, developed breasts, and made amateur porno videos.
7) I was a former Eagle scout, but my autopsy revealed a brain tumor that may have explained my rampage.
8) It was rumored that I ate a portion of Catharine Eddowes' kidney.
9) I still proclaim my innocence, even though police heard a splash and apprehended me on a Chattahoochee River bridge two days before finding the body of Nathaniel Cater downstream.
10) Me and my "Little" brother killed perhaps more than 30 victims before I got my just rewards: a posse of citizens mounted my "Big" severed head on a nearby tree.
1446. JonesAtLaw - 11/3/1999 11:43:30 AM
Indiana-
3. John Wayne Gacy
5. Charles Starkweather
6. Richard Speck
7. Charles Whitman
8 Jack the Ripper
1447. Indiana Jones - 11/3/1999 11:55:40 AM
Lawyerin' Cuz,
Right on all counts.
1448. CalGal - 11/3/1999 1:03:29 PM
9. Wayne Williams
1449. CalGal - 11/3/1999 1:09:59 PM
4. Arrgggh. It is a Bloch novelization, I can see it.
1450. cazart - 11/3/1999 1:27:46 PM
4. Ed Gein. However, "Psycho" bears little resemblance to the crimes and sickness of Ed Gein.
1. Either Loeb or Leopold.
1451. CalGal - 11/3/1999 1:33:41 PM
Yeah, that's it. Ed Gein. There were like 14 women's bodies on his property.
Loeb was the one who was killed in prison.
1452. Indiana Jones - 11/3/1999 1:36:02 PM
Williams, Loeb, and Gein are correct, CalGal and cazart. Despite any dissimilarities between the two, Gein is who Bloch is said to have based the novella on. So that leaves 2 and 10 (from #1445).
1453. OhioSTOPAS - 11/3/1999 1:52:45 PM
10. Frank James?
1454. cazart - 11/3/1999 2:13:36 PM
Ed Gein was actually much closer to "Silence of the Lambs" than "Psycho."
Bloch actually said that Norman Bates was a composite of several serial killers, including Gein.
1455. Indiana Jones - 11/3/1999 2:29:53 PM
cazart, many, many sources list Gein as Bloch's primary inspiration, though of course Ed Gein != Norman Bates. He's also considered the fodder for Leatherface in "Texas Chainsaw Massacre."
http://www.imagesjournal.com/issue08/reviews/psycho/text.htm
http://w1.480.telia.com/~u48004078/geinpsych.html
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/rbloch.htm
Frank James is incorrect. This guy (#10) isn't very famous--probably the hardest question on the quiz--but he and his brother were two of the earliest serial killers in America.
1456. cazart - 11/3/1999 2:50:22 PM
Indiana Jones:
Merely consider the plots of "Psycho" and "Silence of the Lambs."
Then, look at Ed Gein's crimes which involved skinning some victims and wearing the flesh.
Bloch used Gein and Jack the Ripper (I believe Bloch wrote about the Ripper or a variant thereof)and others as his model for Bates.
1457. JonesAtLaw - 11/3/1999 6:17:57 PM
No 2 is from Manson's first stint in prison, or at least an earlier stint. I can't remember who though, its mentioned in Bugliosi's book though.
1458. Angel-Five - 11/3/1999 8:37:08 PM
10: Big and little Harp (Harpe?).
1459. Indiana Jones - 11/3/1999 9:15:07 PM
JonesAtLaw--You are correct, it was from an earlier stint and was mentioned in Helter Skelter. But the name...?
Angel-Five--Excellent (Big Harpe)
1460. cmboyce - 11/4/1999 1:52:35 AM
Well. In response to that tidal wave of disinterest, I'll just get that quiz out of the way by posting the answers. (Yes, I could ignore it, but the answers alone are sort of interesting. And besides, I like to type.)
1. Author of Pagans and Christians - Robin Lane Fox
2. defect of old prints - foxing
3. Sinatra song - "Zing Went the Strings of My Heart"
4. wild pansy (Viola tricolor) - heartsease
5. Bellow novel -Seize the Day
6. recently receded "time" - Daylight Savings Time
7. Simone Signoret film (1959) - Time Running Out
8. Whitman title - "Out of the Cradle Endlessly Rocking"
9. Bobby Day hit (1958) - "Rockin' Robin"
There. That wasn't so bad, was it?
1461. SnowOwl - 11/4/1999 1:59:28 AM
cmboyce,
Please don't take the lack of answers as a sign of disinterest. In fact, I thought it was a very interesting quiz. Unfortunately, though I've been puzzling all day the only answer I could come up with was
Rockin' Robin and it didn't seem worth posting the answer to one part of the quiz only.
1462. CalGal - 11/4/1999 2:03:23 AM
CM,
I missed your quiz; sorry about that. Saw Jones' serial murderer questions and didn't think there was another behind it.
BTW, Zing is a Judy Garland song.
1463. cmboyce - 11/4/1999 2:29:14 AM
Also Frankie. But yes, I think hers preceded and so she'd have been a better choice. I just took the first recollection that came to mind.
1464. cmboyce - 11/4/1999 2:36:55 AM
Thanks, SnowOwl. Thus encouraged, I may try another. But, on another day--it's 2:30, and tomorrow I must do a serious job of work, so I'd better go to bed.
So, 'night, all.
(Has anyone but me irritated themselves by being unable not to notice the resemblance of that verbal gesture--'night, all--to the name of a well-known insomnia medicine? Drives me nuts, and I won't escape it for at least a few minutes. Mumble, grumble.) (And more, goddammit, having gone and talked about it like this. Grumble.) (Unless, of course, this could be the voiding gesture, like writing about a recurring dream and thus somehow dissolving it. Or at least embarrassing it into withdrawal.)
1465. Indiana Jones - 11/4/1999 3:59:08 PM
Sorry, boyce,
I didn't ignore your quiz, but was working on mine and posted it right after yours. Then I didn't answer yours because I'd hogged Niners and b) it looked damned hard!
1466. JJBiener - 11/4/1999 5:57:57 PM
CM - I would have answered the questions in your quiz had I known them. You struck me out looking on three pitches. I couldn't even get the bat off my shoulder.
1467. CalGal - 11/5/1999 2:50:58 AM
Oscar Trivia:
Name the individual who has starred in the most Best Picture Winners.
Go right on ahead and use the IMD. And feel free to mention anyone who has appeared in more than one.
1468. cmboyce - 11/5/1999 2:53:41 AM
What's the IMD?
1469. CalGal - 11/5/1999 3:03:57 AM
CM,
Well, clearly you don't hang out in my thread much. Hrmph!
The Internet Movie Database is an invaluable reference. You can always find the link in the movies thread.
1470. cmboyce - 11/5/1999 3:39:17 AM
Cal, it's true, I don't. Please don't take offense, but I don't see three movies a year and thus take little interest in "the industry" or its output. But thanks for the link, anyway.
1471. SnowOwl - 11/5/1999 3:57:43 AM
I've got no idea who's appeared in the most best picture winners, but John Cazale leaps to mind. He's certainly appeared in 3, Godfather, Godfather II and The Deerhunter.
1472. CalGal - 11/5/1999 4:05:30 AM
Snow,
Very good! Cazale has indeed appeared in three. He didn't star in them, though, so he wasn't the person I was looking for. Still, I should have caveated the question since I knew of his incredible string of movies. Therefore, I hereby decree Cazale a Star, and change my question to "individuals".
So Snow has one!
1473. SnowOwl - 11/5/1999 4:41:23 AM
Between my kids and I we've also come up with Dustin Hoffman..Kramer vs Kramer, Midnight Cowboy and Rainman
1474. CalGal - 11/5/1999 4:43:47 AM
Yep! That's the only major star I could find who had starred in three movies that won Best Picture. Good job!
Okay, for extra credit: name at least two women who have starred in two best picture movies.
1475. SnowOwl - 11/5/1999 4:51:46 AM
Hmmmm, Meryl Streep if you count her as starring in The Deerhunter, and Out of Africa
1476. CalGal - 11/5/1999 4:57:41 AM
No, I wasn't counting her in The Deerhunter, but since that was the female lead, it means that Meryl has three to her credit, too! But two of the three aren't starring roles. You are missing one, and you'll laugh when you figure out what it is.
1477. CalGal - 11/5/1999 5:01:26 AM
There are three other women who have "starred" in two--that I identified, anyway.
In one case the movies are over 20 years apart but the actress is well known.
The other two are from the 30s and 40s. One is more of a Cazale situation--supporting rather than starring. And in the other case, one of the movies is obscure.
Remember, the IMD is okay.
1478. SnowOwl - 11/5/1999 5:16:09 AM
Yep, I'm laughing. Meryl Streep in Kramer vs Kramer. And that's about the total of my knowledge, I'm going to have to use the IMD for the rest.
1479. PelleNilsson - 11/5/1999 5:17:50 AM
I would guess on Kathrine Hepburn and/or Betty Davies.
1480. Indiana Jones - 11/6/1999 3:18:57 PM
Talia Shire was in Godfather I and II and in Rocky.
1481. Indiana Jones - 11/6/1999 3:20:50 PM
Diane Keaton for Godfather I and II and Annie Hall
1482. Indiana Jones - 11/6/1999 3:22:20 PM
Shirley MacClaine was in the Apartment and Terms of Endearment.
1483. CalGal - 11/6/1999 8:20:43 PM
Indy,
Shirley McClaine was who I was thinking of. Good call on Keaton! Another one I hadn't looked up, because I don't think of her as starring in the Godfather movies.
1484. JJBiener - 11/8/1999 2:28:44 PM
Cal - Robert Redford starred in The Sting and Out of Africa and directed Ordinary People. Does that count?
1485. CalGal - 11/8/1999 3:46:58 PM
Another interesting pick--sure, that counts.
What I find interesting is that it's tough to get past three. I would have thought the numbers would have been much higher. Of course, Oscars have only recently started to have any real correlation with quality--and even then it is a tenuous association--but it was still a shock to me to find that no actor has ever been associated with more than three Best Movies, tops.
1486. glendajean - 11/8/1999 4:33:33 PM
Surely Mel Gibson and Kevin Costner would fit that bill.....not.
1487. JJBiener - 11/8/1999 4:39:39 PM
Glendajean - I believe they have one each. Several have two, Gene Hackman, Danny Devito, Robert De Niro.
1488. CalGal - 11/8/1999 4:49:16 PM
Do you know, I was just checking the IMD, and realized that Clark Gable has three as well!
Charlton Heston has two. Walter Pidgeon has two. Jimmy Stewart has two, but it'd surprise you to realize which two.
1489. ee - 11/9/1999 1:25:05 AM
All six must be matched correctly to win a fabulous prize.
1And now I speak concerning baptism.
Behold, elders, priests, and teachers were baptized
and they were not baptized save they brought
forth fruit meet that they were worthy of it.
A.Eygyptian Book of the Dead
2.Then Philip began with that very passage
of Scripture and told him
the good news about Jesus.
as they traveled along the road,
they came to some water and he said,
"Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
B.Ethiopian Eunuch
3.When one is humble and polite and
frugal in one's personal habits
and yet not full of elaborate ceremonies,
we may be sure one is deep in the study of propriety
C.Robert Hunter
4.Awareness is the path of immortality;
thoughtlessness is the path of death
D.Moroni
5.And when the soul hath departed,
a man seeth corruption,
and the bones of his body crumble
away and become stinking things
, and the members decay one after the other,
E.Confucious
6.There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone
F.Buddah
1490. cmboyce - 11/9/1999 2:14:40 AM
fabulous prize.
1And now I speak concerning baptism.
Behold, elders, priests, and teachers were baptized
and they were not baptized save they brought
forth fruit meet that they were worthy of it.
Moroni
2.Then Philip began with that very passage
of Scripture and told him
the good news about Jesus.
as they traveled along the road,
they came to some water and he said,
"Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
Ethiopian Eunuch
3.When one is humble and polite and
frugal in one's personal habits
and yet not full of elaborate ceremonies,
we may be sure one is deep in the study of propriety
Confucius
4.Awareness is the path of immortality;
thoughtlessness is the path of death
the Buddha
5.And when the soul hath departed,
a man seeth corruption,
and the bones of his body crumble
away and become stinking things
, and the members decay one after the other,
Egyptian Book of the Dead
6.There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone
Robert Hunter
1491. ee - 11/9/1999 2:22:37 AM
Quite right! Buy yourself a nice gift.
1492. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 3:29:08 AM
Quotes: Name the originator:
1)Democracy, which is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.
2)Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.
3)Nothing endures but change.
4)Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!
5)All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few.
6)In heaven all the interesting people are missing.
7)If it turns out that there is a God, I don't think that he's evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he's an underachiever.
8)When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
9)The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels.
For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
10)If two men agree on everything, you may be sure that one of them is doing the thinking.
1493. TrialShark - 11/10/1999 3:55:40 AM
#7 sounds like Woody Allen.
1494. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 4:04:31 AM
It is.
1495. cmboyce - 11/10/1999 10:44:34 AM
8) Auden?
1496. JonesAtLaw - 11/10/1999 11:20:11 AM
8. Swift
10. Benjamin Franklin?
1497. JJBiener - 11/10/1999 11:24:51 AM
6. Gertrude Stein
1498. JJBiener - 11/10/1999 11:26:11 AM
9. Clarence Darrow
1499. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 1:38:37 PM
8 is right.
1500. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 1:39:18 PM
9 Hahahahaha. No, but nice.
1501. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 2:08:17 PM
Forgive me. I should have said 8: Swift is right.
1502. CalGal - 11/10/1999 2:37:18 PM
1. Plato
6. I think it was Nietzche, although I can never spell his name.
10.Johnson
1503. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 4:23:37 PM
Nietzsche and Plato are right.
1504. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 4:24:28 PM
1, 6, 7, and 8 are answered. 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, and 10 need answers.
1505. Aldavis - 11/10/1999 4:43:02 PM
2. Twain
1506. Aldavis - 11/10/1999 4:44:36 PM
5. Will Rodgers?
1507. cmboyce - 11/10/1999 4:59:13 PM
10. Mencken?
1508. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 4:59:22 PM
No, and no. I almost included Twain on something but he's so immediately recognizable that I skipped over him. If I'd have posted 'Golf is a good walk spoiled' you all would have known.
1509. PelleNilsson - 11/10/1999 4:59:30 PM
Is 1) really a direct quote from Plato?
1510. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 4:59:46 PM
10: no.
1511. cmboyce - 11/10/1999 5:01:01 PM
5: Twain?
1512. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 5:01:16 PM
Pelle:
The Republic Book VIII 558.
1513. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 5:02:02 PM
5: No. No Twain in the quiz, I promise.
1514. Dantheman - 11/10/1999 5:06:42 PM
#5 Volaire
#4 Shaw?
1515. Dantheman - 11/10/1999 5:07:13 PM
try again #5 Voltaire
1516. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 5:08:06 PM
Those are two good guesses, but neither is right.
1517. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 5:10:10 PM
The quiz is in Message # 1492. I didn't even choose a Columbus quote to commemorate it, but it strikes me that I should have perhaps quoted Black Flower or perhaps Chief Joseph.
1518. PelleNilsson - 11/10/1999 5:15:01 PM
3. Must be French. Montesquieue? La Fontaine?
4. Bertrand Russel, or, devilishly, another Nietsche.
1519. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 5:20:42 PM
Wow, I'm striking you all out with these.
3 isn't French, but you're on the right continent. 5 -- well, Russell is a good guess, and so is Nietzsche, but not good enough.
1520. Angel-Five - 11/10/1999 11:54:56 PM
Of the six left, four are by Americans, one by a Greek and one by a Frenchman. One is a novelist, one a scientist, two are philosophers, one a politician and one a popular commentator.
1521. ee - 11/11/1999 1:28:39 AM
#3 Hericlitus
1522. CalGal - 11/11/1999 1:31:09 AM
10 isn't LBJ?
1523. Angel-Five - 11/11/1999 2:05:33 AM
Heracleitus is correct.
Yes, 10 is LBJ. I missed that.
1524. ee - 11/11/1999 2:14:42 AM
#4 einstein
1525. Angel-Five - 11/11/1999 2:20:14 AM
Einstein is also correct.
1526. DocBrown - 11/11/1999 11:31:32 AM
- SPACE SHUTTLE QUIZ -
I never watch the show 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire?' but last night I accidentally taped the ending while setting my VCR for the live episode of 'Drew Carey.' On WWtbaM I saw a guy lose his shot at a million because he thought America had a Space Shuttle named Voyager.
Dummy!
I'm sure my Motie friends are smarter than that. Right? Now prove it.
1) There are currently four orbiters in America's Shuttle fleet. Name them all.
Now explain the significance of each of these names to the orbiter fleet:
2) Challenger
3) Enterprise
4) Pathfinder
5) Constitution
1527. JJBiener - 11/11/1999 11:49:36 AM
1. Columbia, Discovery, Atlantis, Endeavor
2. Challenger was the shuttle that blew up
3. Enterprise was the prototype
4. Pathfinder was the Mars mission launched from the shuttle
1528. DocBrown - 11/11/1999 1:58:23 PM
JJB, You get full credit for #1 and #2.
Half credit for #3 (the word prototype does not describe Enterprise's function) so a better answer can still get full credit.
#4 is not the correct answer. No guess for #5?
Anyone else want to play? There are still enough left to beat JJ's score.
1529. JJBiener - 11/11/1999 3:05:35 PM
3. Enterprise was essentially a proof of concept. It was used to test the aerodynamics and the landing sequence. It was transported on top of a 747.
BTW, How did the first pilot describe landing Columbia?
4. Pathfinder is the little crawler that landed on Mars. What else are you looking for.
5. Wild Guess. Constitution is name of the next generation shuttle.
1530. DocBrown - 11/11/1999 5:21:53 PM
Okay, JJ, full credit for #3.
#4 and #5 are still wrong, though. I am asking about *first* generation orbiters named Pathfinder and Constitution. There are good, trivial stories to tell here.
1531. DocBrown - 11/11/1999 5:23:13 PM
The first shuttle crew was Crippen & Young (the same John Young who was an Apollo Astronaut).
I think he said it was like landing a brick.
1532. JJBiener - 11/11/1999 5:32:04 PM
Doc - I think he said it was like landing a brick.
Exactly. It is one of my favorite quotes. I'll see what I can dig up on Pathfinder and Constitution.
1533. ScottLoar - 11/11/1999 5:33:23 PM
Whoa! I thought the name Enterprise yielded to lobbying by Trekies, and after the fact was justified as in the tradition of great ships.
1534. JJBiener - 11/11/1999 5:43:02 PM
Doc - Pathfinder is the name of the shuttle simulator. Constitution was the name originally proposed for the Enterprise. A write-in campaign by Star Trek fans was credited for the name change.
1535. DocBrown - 11/12/1999 8:58:35 AM
Good job JJB and ScottLoar. The glide test model was originally named Constitution, but NASA changed it to Enterprise for the reasons cited.
Pathfinder was another orbiter mockup with even less spacecraft guts than Enterprise. It was used to develop and practice the handling procedures for moving and servicing orbiters without breaking them.
Pathfinder is now on display in Huntsville, AL, at the Space and Rocket Center. 
1536. cmboyce - 11/12/1999 10:34:04 AM
To return to A5's quiz, I shall regroup it all here (I hope you don't mind the intrusion, A5), if only because I can't seem to keep the clues and the questions together in my head.
Remaining are:
2)Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.
5)All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few.
9)The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
The clues (derived fr Message # 1520): two are by Americans, one by a French man. One each is a novelist, philosopher, and a popular commentator.
(BTW, I'm not sure it's proper to consider Einstein an American.)
I'll guess: Oliver Wendell Holmes (2), Jean-Paul Sartre (5), and Eugene V. Debs (9)
1537. cmboyce - 11/12/1999 10:37:04 AM
Shit. I wrote down all those clues, and then ignored them! Strike Debs. Make (9) Henry James. What the fuck.
1538. ee - 11/13/1999 12:34:39 AM
#2 Thoreau
1539. EricCartman - 11/13/1999 12:39:13 AM
#2 sounds like Mencken.
1540. ee - 11/13/1999 1:15:51 AM
#9 is Mencken
1541. Angel-Five - 11/13/1999 1:48:09 AM
2 is Thoreau and 9, indeed, is Mencken.
1542. Angel-Five - 11/13/1999 9:19:39 PM
BTW, 5 was Stendhal.
1543. cmboyce - 11/14/1999 12:51:50 PM
Very nice quiz, A5.
1544. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 7:54:24 PM
I apologize if this quiz leaves anyone cold.
Lyric: Name the band, name the song.
1)Devil and the deep blue sea behind me
vanish in the air you'll never find me --
I will turn your face to alabaster
when you find your servant is your master...
2) Out on the border
of a changing skyline
we put hope in front of fear --
and all the heroes
have gone east of eden --
3)looking down on empty streets, all she can see
are the dreams all made solid
are the dreams all made real
all of the buildings, all of those cars
were once just a dream
in somebody's head
she pictures the broken glass, she pictures the steam
she pictures a soul
with no leak at the seam
4)If there's a bustle in your hedgerow
don't be alarmed now --
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen
(oh, okay, so that one's easy)
5)No his mind is not for rent
To any god or government
Always hopeful, yet discontent
He knows changes aren't permanent
But change is
6)When in the springtime of the year
When the trees are crowned with leaves
When the ash and oak, and the birch and yew
Are dressed in ribbons fair
When owls call the breathless moon
In the blue veil of the night
The shadows of the trees appear
Amidst the lantern light
7)it was dark all around]
there was frost in the ground
when the Tigers broke free
and no one survived
of the Royal Fusiliers
Company C
They were all left behind
most of them dead
the rest of them dying
and that was how
the High Command
took my daddy
from me.
1545. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 7:57:43 PM
8)Here's a little agit for the never-believer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here's a little ghost for the offering. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here's a truck stop instead of Saint Peter's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mister Andy Kaufman's gone wrestling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
9)"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
10)every finger in the room
is pointed at me
I want to spit in their faces
but I'm afraid of what that might bring
got a bowling ball in my stomach
got a desert in my mouth
figures that my courage
would choose to sell out now
11)Twenty times I've tried to tell you
Twenty times I've cried alone
Always I'm surprised how well you
Cut my feelings to the bone
Don't want to leave you really
Just want to break the ice
Do I look silly to you
When I yield to your advice
1546. OhioSTOPAS - 11/14/1999 7:57:44 PM
4 is too easy to answer.
5 is "Tom Sawyer" by Rush.
1547. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 7:58:43 PM
12)You step inside but you don't see too many faces
Coming in out of the rain to hear the jazz go down
Too much competition too many other places
But not too many horns can make that sound
Way on down south
way on down south --
London town...
13)When I'm tired and thinking cold
I hide in my music, forget the day
and dream of a girl I used to know
I closed my eyes and she slipped away...
14)Cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis,
Pumped a lot of pain down in New Orleans,
But I never saw the good side of the city,
'Til I hitched a ride on a river boat queen.
15)Well you're dirty and sweet
Clad in Black
Don't look back
And I love you
You're dirty and sweet oh yea.
Well you're slim and you're weak
You got the teeth
Of the Hydra upon you
You're dirty sweet
And you're my girl
16)Don't believe in Goldman
His type like a curse
Instant Karma's going to get him
If I don't get him first
Don't believe in rock 'n' roll
Can really change the world
As it spins in revolution
It spirals and turns
I... I... believe in love
1548. OhioSTOPAS - 11/14/1999 8:00:10 PM
8 is Man in the Moon by REM
9 is All Along the Watchtower by The Jimi Hendrix Experience. (Bob Dylan wrote this song; did Dylan ever record it?
1549. CalGal - 11/14/1999 8:00:22 PM
14) Proud Mary
1550. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 8:00:25 PM
Yes, four is, I expect.
Five is correct.
1551. SnowOwl - 11/14/1999 8:01:05 PM
9. is also sung by U2
1552. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 8:01:27 PM
8, 9, and 14 are right, too. Dylan did record the song, it's just generally accepted that Jimi made it his when he covered it.
1553. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 8:02:06 PM
Yes, I think U2 does the song live every once in a while.
1554. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 8:02:31 PM
14 is correct.
1555. OhioSTOPAS - 11/14/1999 8:02:35 PM
12 is Sultans of Swing by Dire Straits
13 is More Than A Feeling by Boston
14 is too easy to answer
15 is Bang a Gong by T Rex
1556. dusty - 11/14/1999 8:02:51 PM
13 me and Bobby McGee
1557. SnowOwl - 11/14/1999 8:02:57 PM
15. Get it On. T Rex
1558. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 8:03:36 PM
Oh, I already did say that. (grin)
I'll offer up some bonuses later, maybe. Off for now.
1559. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 8:04:42 PM
And here I was worrying that you guys wouldn't know so many lyrics.
I dumbed down the quiz as a result. Sigh. Definitely some bonuses later.
1560. EricCartman - 11/14/1999 8:04:52 PM
#12 is "Sultans of Swing" (Dire Straits)
#13 is "More Than A Feeling" (Boston)
#15 is "Bang A Gong (T. Rex)
1561. dusty - 11/14/1999 8:05:22 PM
oops, i saw "cold" and "slipped away" and answered too quickly
1562. EricCartman - 11/14/1999 8:05:59 PM
Whoops. Ohio beat me to all those.
1563. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 8:06:07 PM
12 is indeed Sultans of Swing.
13 is indeed More than a Feeling.
14 gets shared credit, because the name of the song is 'Get It On', not 'Bang a Gong', I believe.
1564. OhioSTOPAS - 11/14/1999 8:07:36 PM
1 is by the Police. "Wrapped Around My Finger"?
1565. EricCartman - 11/14/1999 8:08:23 PM
#7 is Pink Floyd, from "The Wall", but it's in the movie, not on the album, so I can't recall the title (and I don't know where my video of the movie is to find out).
#1 is "Wrapped Around Your Finger" (the Police)
1566. EricCartman - 11/14/1999 8:09:17 PM
Goddammit, Ohio. Quit being one step ahead of me.
1567. EricCartman - 11/14/1999 8:11:43 PM
#16 is "God Part 2" by U2.
1568. EricCartman - 11/14/1999 8:14:36 PM
I believe #10 is by Tori Amos. I remember Beavis & Butt-head comparing her with lookalike Dave Mustaine (frontman of Megadeth), and reciting the "bowling ball in my stomach" lyric in Mustaine's voice. Don't know the title of the song, though.
1569. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 9:40:49 PM
Ohio and Cartman split The Police song -- Ohio got the group, but Cartman got the name right. Cartman also gets half credit for 7 and 10 and full credit for 16.
1570. DanDillon - 11/14/1999 9:50:11 PM
Great quiz. Which are still unsanswered?
1571. DanDillon - 11/14/1999 9:50:35 PM
I mean which are still unanswered?
1572. SnowOwl - 11/14/1999 9:53:15 PM
10. Crucify. Tori Amos
1573. joezan - 11/14/1999 10:39:09 PM
I liked that quiz (even though I was a day late and a dollar short).
Here's another (name of song and artist/s):
1. He and his friends sit around all evening
leaving their laughter upon the ceiling
Seems so funny, yet it leaves me yawning
Then I find it's the following morning
2. There's this cat down there, makes a bad
kinda soup
I come around struttin' my luck in my
shoop coup
Cecil gives me coffee, and he won't never
take my coin
I say, "I got thirty dollah in my pocket -
Watchoo doin'?"
3. Well, yeah - I mighta chased a couple women
around
But all it ever got me was down
And then there were those that made me feel good
But never as good as I feel right now
4. You in your Lark
You're a mark
You're a screamer
You know how to hustle
Daddy is a rare
millionaire
I don't care
Yeah, you got the muscle
5. So you say there's a race
of men in the trees?
You're for tough legislation?
Thanks for calling -
I wait all night for calls like these
1574. joezan - 11/14/1999 10:40:30 PM
(...continued):
6. You wear sadness on your shoulders
like a worn-out overcoat
In pockets creased and tattered
hang the rags of your hopes
The daybreak is your midnight
The colors have all died
Disturbing the waters
of our lives
7. Your mission bells were wrought by ancient men
The roots were formed by twisted roots,
your roots were twisted then
I was re-born before all life could die
The Phoenix bird will leave this world to fly
If the Phoenix bird can fly then so can I
8. I caught you knocking at my cellar door
I love you baby. Can I have some more?
9. Sleeping children got to run like the wind
Out of the lightning dream
Mama's little baby better get herself in
Out of the lightning
10. Something in the wind has learned my name
And it's telling me that things are not the same
In the leaves on the trees
And the touch of the breeze
There's a pleasing sense of happiness for me
1575. arkymalarky - 11/14/1999 10:45:56 PM
2)Rikki Lee Jones-Danny's All-Star Joint
7)Elton John-Grey Seal
8)Neil Young-Damage Done
10)On Top of the World?-Carpenters
1576. joezan - 11/14/1999 10:58:01 PM
Correct on all four (#8 is actually The Needle and the Damage Done.
1577. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 11:08:48 PM
2,3, half of 7, and no one's bothered to answer 4.
1578. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 11:09:04 PM
And 11.
1579. Angel-Five - 11/14/1999 11:14:00 PM
AND 6.
1580. JonesAtLaw - 11/15/1999 1:08:24 PM
The Mission-Elton John is No 7.
Three is Tom Petty
1581. mintcar - 11/15/1999 1:23:46 PM
9 is Counting Crows, Anna Begins.
1582. cmboyce - 11/15/1999 1:55:52 PM
I'm old enough to not have heard of almost all of the groups in A5's quiz--though I liked several of the lyrics, especially 2, 9 & 12--but I am amazed that anyone ever thought of "All Along the Watchtower" as by anyone but Dylan. Cultural relativity.
"There must be some way outa here / Said the joker to the thief..."
Pure Dylan.
1583. JJBiener - 11/15/1999 2:04:42 PM
CM - I have a recording of Dylan and the Band doing All Along the Watchtower live. Very cool.
1584. OhioSTOPAS - 11/15/1999 2:10:17 PM
Is 3 "Even the Losers" (. . . get lucky sometime)?
Thanks to JonesatLaw for identifying Tom Petty.
1585. JonesAtLaw - 11/15/1999 2:13:14 PM
Thanks, Ohio, I could hear him sing the first part of the quote but the rest escaped me.
1586. cmboyce - 11/15/1999 3:45:26 PM
Sounds good, JJ. Mine is from John Wesley Harding. I haven't done much of a job "converting" my old LP collection to cd's (by which I mean going out and buying the cd's), and I find I don't have any of The Band. Which album has "Watchtower"? Big Pink?
1587. OhioSTOPAS - 11/15/1999 3:50:45 PM
Dylan and The Band released a live album in about 1974. (Title maybe "After the Flood"?)
1588. mintcar - 11/15/1999 6:22:47 PM
What was I thinking? 9 is by the Counting Crows, but the song is Round Here.
1589. JJBiener - 11/15/1999 6:37:08 PM
CM, Ohio - Actually the name is Before the Flood, I think. I tend to get it confused with After the Deluge by Jackson Browne.
1590. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:10:30 PM
I've been talking about Villains in the Movie Thread. I decided to make a quiz:
Below are described various ways Villains have been killed (or, especially in horror films, "APPARENTLY killed"). Identify the villain. For some categories, multiple villains may apply.
1) Expoding Oxygen Tank blows head apart
2) Discharging compressed-oxygen cartridge inflates body and blows it apart
3) Arm, body, and head Crushed by hydraulic press in automated factory
4) Arm and Head crushed by press in NON-automated factory
5) Slashed across either cheek, stabbed in both arms and both hips, finally run through the heart with sword
6) Decapitated while atop subway by projection hanging from ceiling
7) Stabbed through eye with knitting needle, shot six times, fall from second story
8) Shot multiple times and knocked backwards out of towering skyscraper (several possibilities)
9) Shot simultaneously by both heroes
10) Ankle handcuffed to car about to explode; given hacksaw and told that the leg will take only five minutes to saw through, while the handcuffs will take ten minutes (NAME, please; not just movie)
11) Crushed by collison of modified 18-wheeler rig and oncoming vehicle
12) Arms cut off while hanging from elevator; then fall to death
13) Sucked out of window of depressurizing-cabin airplane
14) Shot with speargun by former love interest
15) Electrocuted due to biting into high-power electric cable
16) Decapitated by sword on steps of temple
17) Killed by bomb in car
18) Killed by the comingling of unlicensed nuclear accelerator beams
1591. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:22:08 PM
19) Pulled to death by stone gargoyle tied to leg
20) Killed when someone lights lighter in room filled with gas
21) Chopped to death by cocaine-chopping machine
22) Throat impaled by long "data-spike"
23) "Killed" when hero avoids having repressed memories reactivated
24) Impaled by thrown length of steam-piping
25) Shot to death in San Fransisco Chinatown alley
26) Blown out of airlock into space (several apply; name as many as you can)
27) Presumably drowned after being knocked unconscious in underwater bar-room brawl, complete with underwater poker players and an underwater bartender
28) Falls from height, run over by cars, elephant, marching band
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate
30) Eaten by large lizard
31) Dropped from helicopter into factory smokestack
32) Melted in molten steel
1592. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:23:45 PM
29, Redux) Electrocuted by electrified gate
1593. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:27:56 PM
5) Christopher Guest in The Princess Bride.
1594. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:28:34 PM
6) Dennis Hopper in Speed.
1595. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:29:03 PM
18) The StayPuft Marshmallow Man in Ghostbusters.
1596. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:30:02 PM
15) Shark in Jaws
1597. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:31:32 PM
26) The alien in Alien. The alien in Aliens.
1598. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:32:58 PM
33) Launched into stratosphere by fighter-plane's missile
34) Falls from height, eaten by crocodiles
35) shot at close range by galleon's cannon
36) Killed by disease
37) Head melts (specific, please)
38) Frozen to death (or presumably frozen to death) by frigid environment (not by liquid nitrogen or mechanical contrivance) (Five villains in three movies apply)
39) Shot; falls from height; chokes on gem-stones
40) Killed when pre-existing molecular structure is re-arranged by gizmo's detonation
1599. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:33:22 PM
15) Ack. I meant Jaws II, obviously. Sorry.
1600. Stumbo - 11/15/1999 7:33:33 PM
3), 32) The Terminator (1, 2)
1601. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:33:50 PM
Cal:
Be more specific on #15. 26) is incomplete.
1602. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:35:21 PM
32) Bad robot in T2?
1603. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:35:31 PM
Name of Christopher Guest's character?
StayPuft correct (actually I was looking for "Zool"). Dennis Hopper correct.
1604. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:35:52 PM
Terminator answers correct.
1605. CalGal - 11/15/1999 7:37:21 PM
Oh, the Count. 6-fingered man. Killed by Inigo Montoya.
1606. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:37:48 PM
okay.
1607. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:38:00 PM
Count Roeg, wasn't it?
1608. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:39:21 PM
Two more villains (that I can think of) were killed by being blown out of an airlock into space.
1609. LadyChaos - 11/15/1999 7:41:51 PM
1) The shark in Jaws (it was actually a SCUBA tank, not an oxygen tank)
3) Terminator I
19) The Joker in Batman
33) Bad guy in True Lies
1610. ScottLoar - 11/15/1999 7:57:28 PM
Common Knowledge 101?
1) This man founded the city of Savannah, GA.
2) An iron ball with projecting spikes (like an oversized jack) laid down to delay cavalry.
3) Two wars named after American Indian chiefs.
4) What was the Star Chamber and why was it so named?
5) Who is the likely subject of the nursery rhyme Humpty Dumpty?
6) What is Flemish bond?
7) The Canterbury Tales take place during which month?
8) This cabaret singer was made famous by the posters of Toulouse Lautrec.
9) Who is the likely subject of the nursery rhyme London Bridge Is Falling Down?
1611. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 7:59:35 PM
2) An iron ball with projecting spikes (like an oversized jack) laid down to delay cavalry. -- Caltrop
1612. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 8:00:12 PM
(it was actually a SCUBA tank, not an oxygen tank)
And a Scuba tank contains...?
1613. dusty - 11/15/1999 8:04:56 PM
Air? Not pure oxygen?
1614. TrialShark - 11/15/1999 8:06:38 PM
12) Michael Ironside's character in "Total Recall."
23) Arnold Schwarzenegger's alter ego in "Total Recall."
1615. Angel-Five - 11/15/1999 8:19:43 PM
9) Mister Joshua in LW
13) What's his name in Passenger 57 (Charles Rain?)
24) Matrix in Commando
34) Mola Ram in Temple of Doom
37) Toht in Raiders of the Lost Ark
1616. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:20:04 PM
) Expoding Oxygen Tank blows head apart
Jaws
2) Discharging compressed-oxygen cartridge inflates body and blows it apart
Katanga in Live and Let Die
3) Arm, body, and head Crushed by hydraulic press in automated factory
Andre, in the original "Fly"
4) Arm and Head crushed by press in NON-automated factory
Terminator in T1
5) Slashed across either cheek, stabbed in both arms and both hips, finally run through the heart with sword
6 fingered man in Princess Bride
6) Decapitated while atop subway by projection hanging from ceiling
Hopper in Speed
7) Stabbed through eye with knitting needle, shot six times, fall from second story
Michael Myers in Halloween?
8) Shot multiple times and knocked backwards out of towering skyscraper (several possibilities)
King Kong
1617. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:20:10 PM
9) Shot simultaneously by both heroes
Busey in Lethal Weapon.
10) Ankle handcuffed to car about to explode; given hacksaw and told that the leg will take only five minutes to saw through, while the handcuffs will take ten minutes (NAME, please; not just movie)
Johnny the Boy in Mad Max
11) Crushed by collison of modified 18-wheeler rig and oncoming vehicle
That mohawked chained guy from Road Warrior
12) Arms cut off while hanging from elevator; then fall to death
Michael Ironside in Total Recall
13) Sucked out of window of depressurizing-cabin airplane
Goldfinger
14) Shot with speargun by former love interest
Billy Zane in Dead Calm (there may be another film)
15) Electrocuted due to biting into high-power electric cable
Jaws 2
16) Decapitated by sword on steps of temple
Jones in Conan the Barbarian
17) Killed by bomb in car
too vague for anything to jump out.
18) Killed by the comingling of unlicensed nuclear accelerator beams
Mr Stay Puft from Ghostbusters
1618. Angel-Five - 11/15/1999 8:21:02 PM
Loar: 7) April
4) A secret governance chamber in Puritan England where the membership and the votes were secret.
1619. Angel-Five - 11/15/1999 8:23:02 PM
No, I think Billy Zane died when they shot the flaregun into his mouth.
Bomb in Car -- All I can think of is that Jan Michael Vincent character but I can't remember the name of the movie.
1620. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:25:59 PM
19) Pulled to death by stone gargoyle tied to leg
Joker in Batman
20) Killed when someone lights lighter in room filled with gas
ooh, can't place it
21) Chopped to death by cocaine-chopping machine
the henchman in License to Kill
22) Throat impaled by long "data-spike"
The "70s show" dad in Robocop
23) "Killed" when hero avoids having repressed memories reactivated
Arnie's alter ego in Total Recall
24) Impaled by thrown length of steam-piping
cant place it
25) Shot to death in San Fransisco Chinatown alley
Evelyn Mulray in Chinatown?
26) Blown out of airlock into space (several apply; name as many as you can)
Alien, Aliens, damn near every villain in Outland, Drax in Moonraker...
27) Presumably drowned after being knocked unconscious in underwater bar-room brawl, complete with underwater poker players and an underwater bartender
Nigel in Top Secret
28) Falls from height, run over by cars, elephant, marching band
Damn, that is familiar, but why the hell can't I place it?
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate
cant place it.
30) Eaten by large lizard
Both lawyer types in both Jurassic Park films
31) Dropped from helicopter into factory smokestack
Blofeld in FYEO
32) Melted in molten steel
Arnie in T2
1621. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:26:10 PM
19) Pulled to death by stone gargoyle tied to leg
Joker in Batman
20) Killed when someone lights lighter in room filled with gas
ooh, can't place it
21) Chopped to death by cocaine-chopping machine
the henchman in License to Kill
22) Throat impaled by long "data-spike"
The "70s show" dad in Robocop
23) "Killed" when hero avoids having repressed memories reactivated
Arnie's alter ego in Total Recall
32) Melted in molten steel
Arnie in T2
1622. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:26:17 PM
24) Impaled by thrown length of steam-piping
cant place it
25) Shot to death in San Fransisco Chinatown alley
Evelyn Mulray in Chinatown?
26) Blown out of airlock into space (several apply; name as many as you can)
Alien, Aliens, damn near every villain in Outland, Drax in Moonraker...
27) Presumably drowned after being knocked unconscious in underwater bar-room brawl, complete with underwater poker players and an underwater bartender
Nigel in Top Secret
28) Falls from height, run over by cars, elephant, marching band
Damn, that is familiar, but why the hell can't I place it?
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate
cant place it.
30) Eaten by large lizard
Both lawyer types in both Jurassic Park films
31) Dropped from helicopter into factory smokestack
Blofeld in FYEO
1623. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:27:30 PM
Angel: "apparent death" was explicitly mentioned as possible. I thought that it looked like Zane had died at the time.
1624. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:30:15 PM
Is the "stomped by elephant" one of the minor villains at the beginning of Austin Powers?
1625. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:32:50 PM
"7) The Canterbury Tales take place during which month? "
April.
1626. Raskolnikov - 11/15/1999 8:33:55 PM
"3) Two wars named after American Indian chiefs."
Blackhawk War. Can't think of another.
1627. Angel-Five - 11/15/1999 8:39:05 PM
Pontiac's Rebellion?
1628. arkymalarky - 11/15/1999 9:04:52 PM
Red Cloud's War
1629. CalGal - 11/15/1999 9:55:36 PM
3) King Philip's War
1630. cmboyce - 11/15/1999 10:11:00 PM
The Star Chamber was created by Henry VII, long before the Puritan Revolution. It was so-named for the decoration on the ceiling.
Flemish bond is a pattern made by laying bricks in such a way that short ends alternate with long sides.
The Canterbury Tales take place in April.
Jane Avril was painted by Toulouse-Lautrec.
I was going to say Pontiac's Rising and King Philip's War, but Blackhawk's and Red Cloud's Wars sure sound right. (Unless Blackhawk is a tribal designation, correct or otherwise.)
1631. CalGal - 11/15/1999 10:27:38 PM
Hey, I just saw the rest of this quiz.
1) Oglethorpe
5) Wasn't it a tower that was pushed down during one of the English Civil wars?
1632. CalGal - 11/15/1999 10:30:37 PM
9) I'm going to guess Lady Jane Grey
1633. joezan - 11/15/1999 10:34:08 PM
The quiz so far:
Arky was correct in her answers to #s 2, 7, 8, & 10.
Mintcar got # 9.
Ohio and Jones both got the artist right (actually, it's Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, but I'll give it to youse. The name of the song was wrong, though.
So, these songs remain:
1. He and his friends sit around all evening
leaving their laughter upon the ceiling
Seems so funny, yet it leaves me yawning
Then I find it's the following morning
3. Well, yeah - I mighta chased a couple women
around
But all it ever got me was down
And then there were those that made me feel good
But never as good as I feel right now
(Just the song name).
4. You in your Lark
You're a mark
You're a screamer
You know how to hustle
Daddy is a rare
millionaire
I don't care
Yeah, you got the muscle
5. So you say there's a race
of men in the trees?
You're for tough legislation?
Thanks for calling -
I wait all night for calls like these
6. You wear sadness on your shoulders
like a worn-out overcoat
In pockets creased and tattered
hang the rags of your hopes
The daybreak is your midnight
The colors have all died
Disturbing the waters
of our lives
1634. joezan - 11/15/1999 10:49:54 PM
Hints:
1) I'm tempted to say this is a UK band...
4) Was from a hugely successful, ground-breaking 1977 album. I would bet that nearly everyone reading this has owned this album.
5) Was sung by the same guy as 4.
6) Can you say "Hobbit Rock"?
1635. joezan - 11/15/1999 11:27:12 PM
ScottLoar:
8) Edith Piaf?
1636. cmboyce - 11/15/1999 11:58:24 PM
Ah, Oglethorpe! Damn, I tried to guess that, and it just wouldn't appear! Very good, Cal!
Lady Jane's good, but I wonder if nursery rhymes can be traced that far back. But then, there's Poor Dick Whittington (or something like that) "thrice Lord Mayor of London" who I believe was an historical figure in Shakespeare's day, which is almost back to Lady Jane. I hope you're right, anyway. That's too satisfying a tale to be dismissed simply because it's not true!
1637. AceofSpades - 11/15/1999 11:59:54 PM
Very good, all. Rask got a shitload, including Andre in The Fly. Kudos on "Johnny the Boy." BONUS QUESTION: Name another movie in which Gibson handcuffs Johnny the Boy.
>>>32) Melted in molten steel
Arnie in T2
No on this one. Arnie does die that way, but he's the HERO. The T1000 dies this way too; he's the villain, and the right answer.
Angel:
Good on "Commando," but Schwartzenegger's name was Matrix. I forget what the bad guy was named, but I think it was the same actor who played the mohawk guy in Road Warrior. Incidentally, I thought the bad guy's name was "Matrix" for a moment too. I just thought of his name: Bennet.
1638. cmboyce - 11/16/1999 12:00:21 AM
I think Humpty Dumpty's pretty surely a person, someone who fell from the King's favor, or something. Raleigh, perhaps. Or Bacon. But maybe more recently, some prime minister?
1639. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:00:57 AM
Trial, Good on the Indy stuff. Cal, good on the stuff you got.
The answer for the "Big Lizard" question was "Velociraptors," by the way. They were the real villains.
1640. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:02:39 AM
Cal:
By the way, the villain shot with a speargun by his former lover is none other than Klaus Maria Brandauer as Largo in Never Say Never, killed by Kim Basinger.
1641. CalGal - 11/16/1999 12:03:36 AM
Ace--the reason I didn't guess the lawyers is because they weren't the bad guys. Didn't think of the Velociraptors.
CM--I am pretty sure I have the part about the tower and the Civil War right, but Humpty Dumpty may be a real person.
As for nursery rhymes going back that far--I thought "Ring Around the Rosy" traced back to the Black Plague?
1642. CalGal - 11/16/1999 12:04:59 AM
Ace,
That's bizarre. I thought I'd answered that one before I left work, but I don't see the post.
1643. cmboyce - 11/16/1999 12:05:54 AM
Yes! right! delighted to be reminded of that delicious morsel. So scratch my objection to Lady Jane. (Now if only it's right! Loar?)
1644. cmboyce - 11/16/1999 12:07:27 AM
I understand that there are children's counting rhymes in parts of Britain that are thought to preserve, in a seemingly-nonsensical series of syllables the only remnants of Pictish or Brythonic or something.
1645. CalGal - 11/16/1999 12:09:33 AM
Well, I thought it was a lovely guess, even if it isn't the right one.
Do you have any of those rhymes?
1646. joezan - 11/16/1999 12:19:39 AM
Ring Around The Rosy describes the symptoms of the Plague - a pink welt surrounded by a bright red ring. Carrying posies in one's pockets was thought to ward off the Plague.
Of course, the "Ashes, ashes..." part refers to the common practice of burning the dead Plague victims.
"...We all fall down!", was, of course, the ominous truth - no survivors.
1647. ee - 11/16/1999 12:30:59 AM
hello mudder,hello fadder
Remember this one? I wonder if this is where Lynard Skynard got their name
1648. CalGal - 11/16/1999 12:52:22 AM
As I was putting a book away (a rare event, and worthy of note in and of itself), my eyes fell upon my Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things book. I grabbed it to see if it had a Nursery Rhymes section. It did. However, I am not sure how accurate this book is. It has a bit on both London Bridge and Humpty Dumpty that I'll be interested to compare with Scott's answers (I won't mention if they correlate with my guesses).
Any corrections most welcome:
"Hush a Bye Baby: 1765, New England
"First appeared in a 1765 book, Mother Goose's Melody, along with a footnote which indicates that tis anonymous author intended it to be more than merely a lullaby: 'This may serve as a Warning to the Proud and Amtitious, who climb so high that they generally fall at last.'
The slight historical evidence that exists indicates that the author was a young Pilgrim whosailed to America on the Mayflower. He was impressed by the way Indian squaws hung birchbark cradles containing their infants on tree branches. Such a tree, containing several cradles, is thought to have inspired the rhyme. According to the written record, Hush-a-Bye is the first poem created on American soil."
(I presume they mean poem using the English language.)
1649. CalGal - 11/16/1999 12:57:08 AM
"Little Miss Muffet"
16th Century, England
"Of all nursery rhymes, this appears most frequently in children's books. It was written in the 16th centure by, appropriately, an entymologiest with a special interest in spiders, Dr. Thomas Muffet, the author of a scholarly work, The Silkwormes and their flies.
As Longellow had composed 'There Was a Little Girl' for his daughter, Edith, Dr. Muffet wrote 'Little Miss Muffet' for his young daughter Patience. At that time a 'tuffet' was a three-legged stool, and 'curds and whey' was a milk custard."
1650. CalGal - 11/16/1999 12:59:21 AM
And Thomas Wolsey is associated with two nursery rhymes--Little Boy Blue and Jack and Jill. The latter was originally Jack and Gill, apparently.
1651. joezan - 11/16/1999 1:01:05 AM
Cal:
"There was a little girl...", as in, "...who had a little curl, right in the middle of her fore'id"?
Longfellow?
1652. CalGal - 11/16/1999 1:02:42 AM
Joe,
Oh, I didn't post that history because I thought most people knew it. Yes, the book says that was Longfellow, and that's always what I had been told as well. (I have very, very curly hair, and I cannot tell you how many times my grandmother recited this poem to me in my first decade.)
1653. joezan - 11/16/1999 1:08:41 AM
My mom has recited that ad-nauseum to all her g-daughters, including my 2 daughters.
I always assumed it was one of those anonymous nursery rhymes.
1654. CalGal - 11/16/1999 1:16:00 AM
Well, then, for your mother:
"The rhyme, about a girl who is alternatively 'very, very good' and 'horrid', was written in the late 1850s by the poet Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, on a day when his young daughter, Edith, stubbornly refused to have her hair curled.
For many years, Longfellow denied authorship, pointing to the inelegance of several of the rhyme's words and to the fact that the style of composition was not his. However, before his death in 1882, he acknowledged having hastily composed the verse, and retrospectively admitted, 'When I recall my juvenile poems and prose sketches, I wish that they were forgotten entirely.'"
Again, this is just a book I got some 12 years ago and don't use that often. There may be some errors in it.
1655. cmboyce - 11/16/1999 2:41:07 AM
Cal: Great lore. Interestingly, the OED has tuffet, the footstool, as the third meaning, and asserts that this definition may derive from a misunderstanding of the nursery rhyme, where "tuffet" is used in the sense of meaning 2: a small hillock. (Meaning 1 is "a tuft" [cross-ref'd].)
1656. cmboyce - 11/16/1999 2:44:52 AM
As for the counting rhymes: no, I can't provide any. I'm pretty sure I know where I read of them, though (a long time ago); in something about the Opies, the British couple who were (are?) the doyens of the folklore of children's games (a real discipline, thanks, I believe, to them). But I don't know where I read that.
1657. ScottLoar - 11/16/1999 5:38:01 AM
Common Knowledge 101
1) James Oglethorpe - Calgal
2) Caltrop -Ace of Spades
3) Blackhawk's War - Rask; King Philip's War - Calgal
4) Starred ceiling (1/2) - cmboyce
5)
6) Brickwork - cmboyce
7) April (it's the third word) - Angel-five
8) Jane Avril - cmboyce
9)
1658. ScottLoar - 11/16/1999 5:42:52 AM
5) Thomas Cromwell (Earl of Essex), found guilty of treason.
9) Anne Boleyn, second wife of Henry VIII, beheaded.
1659. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 6:16:30 AM
Ace's Movie Death quiz:
25. In "48 Hours", the villian (character's name "Ganz"?) is shot by Nick Nolte in an alley in San Francisco's Chinatown.
1660. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 11:48:45 AM
s who the hell gets trampled by an elephant and then tromped on by a marching band. This is on the tip of my tongue and its pissing me off.
1661. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:00:37 PM
Ohio:
Correct.
Rask:
Think "Nigel" of "Top Secret!"
1662. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:06:44 PM
Answered so far:
1) Expoding Oxygen Tank blows head apart -- JAWS I
2) Discharging compressed-oxygen cartridge inflates body and blows it apart -- KaNanga from Live and Let Die
3) Arm, body, and head Crushed by hydraulic press in automated factory -- The original Terminator
4) Arm and Head crushed by press in NON-automated factory -- The original fly (Rask, you got these two backwards)
5) Slashed across either cheek, stabbed in both arms and both hips, finally run through the heart with sword -- 6 fingered man
6) Decapitated while atop subway by projection hanging from ceiling
7) Stabbed through eye with knitting needle, shot six times, fall from second story -- Hopper in Speed
8) Shot multiple times, propelled backwards out of towering skyscraper (several possibilities)-- OPEN
9) Shot simultaneously by both heroes -- Mr Joshua
10) Ankle handcuffed to car about to explode; given hacksaw and told that the leg will take only five minutes to saw through, while the handcuffs will take ten minutes (NAME, please; not just movie) -- Johnny the Boy, Mad Max
11) Crushed by collison of modified 18-wheeler rig and oncoming vehicle -- Mohawk Guy, Road Warrior
12) Arms cut off while hanging from elevator; then fall to death -- Michael Ironside in Total Recall
13) Sucked out of window of depressurizing-cabin airplane -- Goldfinger
14) Shot with speargun by former love interest -- Largo in Never Say Never
15) Electrocuted due to biting into high-power electric cable -- Jaws II
16) Decapitated by sword on steps of temple -- James Earl Jones in Conan
17) Killed by bomb in car -- OPEN. Jan Michael Vincent in "The Mechanic" has been proposed, but he wasn't really a villain.
18) Killed by the comingling of unlicensed nuclear accelerator beams -- StayPuft Marshmallow man and Zuul in Ghostbusters
1663. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:09:57 PM
1591. AceofSpades - 11/16/99 12:22:08 AM
19) Pulled to death by stone gargoyle tied to leg -- Joker, Batman
20) Killed when someone lights lighter in room filled with gas -- OPEN (unless I missed it)
21) Chopped to death by cocaine-chopping machine -- Benecio Del Toro in License to Kill
22) Throat impaled by long "data-spike" -- Clarence Bodiker in Robocop
23) "Killed" when hero avoids having repressed memories reactivated --Arnie's alter ego McQuaid in Total Recall
24) Impaled by thrown length of steam-piping -- Bennet in Commando
25) Shot to death in San Fransisco Chinatown alley -- Ganz in 48 hrs.
26) Blown out of airlock into space (several apply; name as many as you can) -- Alien I; Alien Queen in Aliens; Alien Abomination in Alien Ressurection (como se dice cliche?); Drax in Moonraker
27) Presumably drowned after being knocked unconscious in underwater bar-room brawl, complete with underwater poker players and an underwater bartender -- Nigel in Top Secret!
28) Falls from height, run over by cars, elephant, marching band -- OPEN
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate -- OPEN. This is easy.
30) Eaten by large lizard -- Velociraptors in Juraissic Park
31) Dropped from helicopter into factory smokestack --Blofeld in FYEO
32) Melted in molten steel -- the T1000 in T2
1664. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:11:14 PM
33) Launched into stratosphere by fighter-plane's missile -- Dude in True Lies
34) Falls from height, eaten by crocodiles -- Mola Ram in Indy 2
35) shot at close range by galleon's cannon -- OPEN
36) Killed by disease -- OPEN (easy!)
37) Head melts (specific, please) -- Toht in Indy I
38) Frozen to death (or presumably frozen to death) by frigid environment (not by liquid nitrogen or mechanical contrivance) (Five villains in three movies apply) -- OPEN! C'mon, two are fucking EASY!
39) Shot; falls from height; chokes on gem-stones -- OPEN
40) Killed when pre-existing molecular structure is re-arranged by gizmo's detonation -- OPEN. This is so easy it hurts.
1665. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 12:12:46 PM
8) Shot multiple times, propelled backwards out of towering skyscraper (several possibilities) Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman) / Die Hard
1666. CalGal - 11/16/1999 12:13:57 PM
Ace--Hopper in Speed is the answer to #6, not #7.
1667. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 12:14:25 PM
39 Ace's quiz- Lawrence Olivier in Marathon Man.
1668. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 12:16:04 PM
40) Killed when pre-existing molecular structure is re-arranged by gizmo's detonation
Khan Noonian Singh in Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan
1669. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:17:15 PM
Hints:
8) Shot multiple times, propelled backwards out of towering skyscraper (several possibilities)-- OPEN. The ones I'm thinking of: An eighties sci-fi flick; an early eighties action-cop flick set in a large southern city
17) Killed by bomb in car -- OPEN. Jan Michael Vincent in "The Mechanic" has been proposed, but he wasn't really a villain. I'm thinking of a a cop-action flick set in San Fran.
20) Killed when someone lights lighter in room filled with gas -- OPEN (unless I missed it) -- The person "killed" by this method was also "killed" by another method in another question.
28) Falls from height, run over by cars, elephant, marching band -- OPEN --
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate -- OPEN. This is easy.
35) shot at close range by galleon's cannon -- OPEN. Well, just think of the very few recent movies in which you have galleons at all.
36) Killed by disease -- OPEN (easy!) -- Classic film.
38) Frozen to death (or presumably frozen to death) by frigid environment (not by liquid nitrogen or mechanical contrivance) (Five villains in three movies apply) -- OPEN! C'mon, two are fucking EASY! One horror; one sci-fi horror; three action adventure.
39) Shot; falls from height; chokes on gem-stones -- OPEN. Cynical action-adventure/thriller.
40) Killed when pre-existing molecular structure is re-arranged by gizmo's detonation -- OPEN. This is so easy it hurts. Sci-Fi.
1670. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:18:16 PM
Cal:
Right.
6) Hopper
7) Michael Myers in Halloween
Jones, JJ:
Correct!
1671. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 12:18:56 PM
Ace - Re 33 - Wasn't the guy killed when the missle destroyed the helicopter after a trip through the building? Or are you referring to another part of the movie?
1672. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:19:15 PM
8) Shot multiple times, propelled backwards out of towering skyscraper (several possibilities) Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman) / Die Hard
Not really. I mean, sort of, but Gruber doesn't fall immediately.
1673. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:21:48 PM
Ace - Re 33 - Wasn't the guy killed when the missle destroyed the helicopter after a trip through the building? Or are you referring to another part of the movie?
I guess you're right. I forgot. I meant the part you're thinking of, I just forgot that the missile was shot at a helicopter.
1674. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 12:23:03 PM
Answers:
2) Frontiers by Journey
3) Mercy Street by Peter Gabriel
4) of course is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin
6)The Mummer's Dance by Loreena McKennitt
7) When the Tigers Broke Free by Pink Floyd
11) We Belong by Pat Benatar
1675. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 12:32:02 PM
28) Falls from height, run over by cars, elephant, marching band -- OPEN --
Bad guy in Naked Gun?
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate --OPEN. This is easy.
35) shot at close range by galleon's cannon -- OPEN. Well, just think of the very few recent movies in which you have galleons at all.
36) Killed by disease -- OPEN (easy!) -- Classic film.
the Martians in War of the Worlds
38) Frozen to death (or presumably frozen to death) by frigid environment (not by liquid nitrogen or mechanical contrivance) (Five villains in three movies apply) -- OPEN! C'mon, two are fucking EASY! One horror; one sci-fi horror; three action adventure.
Jack Torrence in the Shining
1676. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 12:33:30 PM
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate -- OPEN. This is easy.
The original Thing.
35) shot at close range by galleon's cannon -- OPEN. Well, just think of the very few recent movies in which you have galleons at all.
I know this one is Cutthroat Island, so I assume it is Frank Langella, but I am proud to say that I haven't seen the film.
1677. JudithAtHome - 11/16/1999 12:33:34 PM
Ace:
(20.) Dianne Wiest in Independence Day. I know this is wrong but it did happen in that film. Not the one where the White House blew up but the one where Wiest was married to a jerk and she just decided to off herself in her immaculate kitchen. She wasn't a villan, though...
1678. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:39:58 PM
ABUSE SUFFERED BY HEROES/GOOD GUYS...
1) Loses hand
2) Mostly Killed
3) Shot in elbows and knees by "friend"
4) Shot multiple times while purchasing fruit
5) Partially fed to sharks
6) Suffers horrific burns over entire body and face
7) Shot while looking for change
8) Blown up at residence of villain
9) Shot multiple times, including having hand blown off by shotgun and shot right between the eyes
10) Blown up when he lights lighter in room filled with gas (links to death of Villain from previous question)
11) Falls on arrow, which goes through hip
12) Frozen
13) Strangled with rosary necklace
14) Suffers compound fracture of leg (that is, bone punctures skin and protrudes out of body)
15) Loses half of arm in explosion
16) Decapitated by pane of glass
17) Stabbed in gun while immobilized by blade of windmill
18) Killed by flying snake
19) Loses legs, arm, eye in crash
20) Ankle shattered by sledgehammer
1679. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:42:23 PM
28) Falls from height, run over by cars, elephant, marching band -- OPEN --
Bad guy in Naked Gun?
Yes. Riccardo Montalban.
36) Killed by disease -- OPEN (easy!) -- Classic film.
the Martians in War of the Worlds
Yes.
38) Frozen to death (or presumably frozen to death) by frigid environment (not by liquid nitrogen or mechanical contrivance) (Five villains in three movies apply) --OPEN! C'mon, two are fucking EASY! One horror; one sci-fi horror; three action adventure.
Jack Torrence in the Shining
Yes. One down, four to go.
29) Electrocuted in by electried gate -- OPEN. This is easy.
The original Thing.
Not what I'm thinking, so still open (several apply). Mine is so fucking easy.
35) shot at close range by galleon's cannon -- OPEN. Well, just think of the very few recent movies in which you have galleons at all.
I know this one is Cutthroat Island, so I assume it is Frank Langella, but I am proud to say that I haven't seen the film.
Yes. "Dawg Morgan" in Cutthroat Island.
1680. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:44:24 PM
21) Bitten in half
and one more villain death:
41) Head bitten off
1681. dusty - 11/16/1999 12:47:49 PM
38 The Jack London story (has it been made into a movie?)
1682. LadyChaos - 11/16/1999 12:50:45 PM
38) John Carpenter's "The Thing"?
1683. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:50:52 PM
Dusty:
No. Jack London isn't a bad guy, unless you consider Socialist/Utopians bad guys, which maybe you do.
Think, people.
Hints:
One is frozen in Antartica. Three are frozen beneath huge base of operations which is presumably located in Arctic.
1684. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:51:08 PM
LC:
Yuhp.
1685. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:51:51 PM
Three are frozen beneath huge base of operations which is presumably located in Arctic.--
PRESUMABLY FROZEN, I should say. If they freeze to death, they do so off-screen.
1686. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:53:34 PM
SHIT.
"The Thing" wasn't frozen, was he? The whole point was to "heat this place up."
Sorry. The Thing wanted to freeze. But Kurt Russel blew him up.
Sorry. That part of question withdrawn. I fucked up.
1687. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:54:16 PM
Abuse suffered by heroes...
22) Presumably frozen to death by elements
1688. dusty - 11/16/1999 12:56:23 PM
Ice station zebra
1689. dusty - 11/16/1999 12:57:08 PM
Ace, i had forgotten it was supposed to be bad guys, but I like your answer.
1690. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 12:58:22 PM
Never saw "Ice Station Zebra." Don't know. Not what I'm thinking of.
The trio of villains presumably frozen to death in the Artic all wear black vinyl.
1691. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:01:08 PM
...and presumably perish after being exposed to the power of a "molecule chamber."
1692. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 1:04:46 PM
Some answers to Ace's "When Bad Things Happen to Good People" Quiz:
1. Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker in "The Empire Strikes Back"
4. Marlon Brando as Don Corleone in "The Godfather"
20. James Caan as the author (don't know name) in "Misery"
1693. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:07:12 PM
Yuhp to all three.
1694. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 1:12:13 PM
1690: Is the trio of villains the three villains from Krypton in Superman II?
1695. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:15:21 PM
Yes.
I guess that's a tough one, but you gotta assume they just don't set up house beneath the Fortress of Solitude.
1696. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 1:15:50 PM
Decapitated by pane of glass- the Omen
1697. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 1:16:27 PM
More from the "Good Guys Get Gored" quiz:
8. Jeff Daniels in "Speed"
19. Lee Majors, "The Six Million Dollar Man"
1698. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 1:16:58 PM
? I wonder if this is where Lynard Skynard got their name
Leonard Skinnerd (or some variant thereof) was the name of their high school gym teacher.
1699. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 1:17:47 PM
I should have given my answers this way, so people don't have to go back to quiz:
8. Blown up at residence of villain - Jeff Daniels, "Speed"
19. Loses arm, legs, eye - Six Million Dollar Man
1700. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:19:23 PM
Jones, Ohio:
Yes. I think that was David Warner in the Omen, no?
1701. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:24:52 PM
Ace
What is left in the gargantuan quiz?
1702. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 1:27:34 PM
2)Robocop
6) Darkman
12)Han Solo
14) Ron Kovic, Born on Fourth of July
1703. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:29:38 PM
1) Loses hand
Michael Caine
2) Mostly Killed
??
3) Shot in elbows and knees by "friend"
James Caan
4) Shot multiple times while purchasing fruit
Marlon Brando
5) Partially fed to sharks
Felix Lighter
9) Shot multiple times, including having hand blown off by shotgun and shot right between the eyes
Peter Weller
10) Blown up when he lights lighter in room filled with gas (links to death of Villain from previous question)
Donald Pleasance
12) Frozen
Jack Nicholson
16) Decapitated by pane of glass
David Warner
18) Killed by flying snake
Ice Cube
20) Ankle shattered by sledgehammer
James Caan
1704. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:30:38 PM
Yes except to 14, Ron Kovic. Ron Kovic was shot in the foot and then in the neck, severing his spinal column.
I was going to throw Kovic in, but I figured he'd be too obvious. Besides, he's not a "hero" as we're assuming "hero" to be defined, he's just a protagonist. And he was dirty.
1705. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:33:17 PM
1) Loses hand
Michael Caine -- Laugh. No, I wasn't thinking of "The Hand." I meant Luke Skywalker. Besides, he doesn't really lose his hand; it comes back and finds him.
3) Shot in elbows and knees by "friend"
James Caan -- yeah, but movie?
5) Partially fed to sharks
Felix Lighter movie?
9) Shot multiple times, including having hand blown off by shotgun and shot right between the eyes
Peter Weller movie? Already answered though.
10) Blown up when he lights lighter in room filled with gas (links to death of Villain from previous question)
Donald Pleasance Yeahp. Movie?
12) Frozen
Jack Nicholson -- No. He was a villain. Even if you disagree, I asked about him in the Villains section, so there's no point repeating him.
16) Decapitated by pane of glass
David Warner -- yeah.
18) Killed by flying snake
Ice Cube -- huh? Don't know about this. Not what I was thinking of.
1704. AceofSpades
1706. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:35:03 PM
In the villains section, these remain open:
8) Shot multiple times, propelled backwards out of towering skyscraper (several possibilities) (not Hans Gruber; I mean "Falls IMMEDIATELY to death")
29) Electrocuted by electrified gate -- OPEN. This is easy.
1707. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:36:06 PM
Oh, and:
41) Head bitten off (BY SEA CREATURE WHICH IS NOT A SHARK)
1708. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:39:14 PM
3) Shot in elbows and knees by "friend"
James Caan -- yeah, but movie?
The Killer Elite
5) Partially fed to sharks
Felix Lighter movie?
Licence to Kill
9) Shot multiple times, including having hand blown off by shotgun and shot right between the eyes Peter Weller movie? Already answered though.
Robocop.
10) Blown up when he lights lighter in room filled with gas (links to death of Villain from previous question) Donald Pleasance Yeahp. Movie?
Halloween
18) Killed by flying snake
Ice Cube -- huh? Don't know about this. Not what I was thinking of.
Anaconda (it is a guess)
1709. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 1:41:21 PM
5) Partially fed to sharks
Batman (Adam West)
1710. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:41:54 PM
VILLAINS
"29) Electrocuted by electrified gate -- OPEN. This is easy."
Hmmmm. I suppose Robert Shaw in The Taking of Pelham One Two Three won't do.
1711. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:42:05 PM
ABUSE SUFFERED BY HEROES/GOOD GUYS...
1) Loses hand -- Luke Skywalker
2) Mostly Killed -- OPEN
3) Shot in elbows and knees by "friend" -- James Caan, but what movie?
4) Shot multiple times while purchasing fruit-- Don Corleone
5) Partially fed to sharks -- Felix Leiter in License to Kill
6) Suffers horrific burns over entire body and face --Darkman
7) Shot while looking for change -- OPEN. Let me change this to:
7) Shot AFTER having given someone chage
8) Blown up at residence of villain -- Jeff Daniels, SPeed
9) Shot multiple times, including having hand blown off by shotgun and shot right between the eyes --Robocop
10) Blown up when he lights lighter in room filled with gas (links to death of Villain from previous question) -- Donald Pleasance in Halloween. Michael Myers was killed this way in Halloween II. That was the answer to the question in the Villains section.
11) Falls on arrow, which goes through hip -- OPEN
12) Frozen -- OPEN
13) Strangled with rosary necklace -- OPEN
14) Suffers compound fracture of leg (that is, bone punctures skin and protrudes out of body) -- OPEN
15) Loses half of arm in explosion -- OPEN
16) Decapitated by pane of glass -- David Warner, the Omen
17) Stabbed in gun while immobilized by blade of windmill -- OPEN
18) Killed by flying snake -- OPEN
19) Loses legs, arm, eye in crash -- Col. Steve Austin
20) Ankle shattered by sledgehammer -- Caan in Misery
21) Bitten in half-- OPEN
1712. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:44:13 PM
11) Falls on arrow, which goes through hip -- OPEN
14) Suffers compound fracture of leg (that is, bone punctures skin and protrudes out of body) -- OPEN
Hint: These occur in the same film.
13) Strangled with rosary necklace -- OPEN
17) Stabbed in GUT (not gun) while immobilized by blade of windmill -- OPEN
Hint: These occur in the same series of movies.
1713. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 1:44:30 PM
21) Bitten in half
Robert Shaw in Jaws
1714. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:45:14 PM
21) Bitten in half-- OPEN
Robert Shaw - Jaws (though I'm not sure if he was bitten in half or if he was bitten at the half)
1715. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:46:26 PM
Yes, to Killer Elite; no to Anaconda. It used to be that black characters would predictably die in horror films; now it is just as guaranteed that they will survive.
Cube survives in Anaconda.
1716. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:46:46 PM
Shaw correct.
1717. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 1:47:01 PM
11) Falls on arrow, which goes through hip
Lancelot in Excaliber
1718. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:47:34 PM
Let me make this easier:
22) Raped by another man
23) Broken to pieces by rapids
1719. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:47:40 PM
12) Frozen --
Leo Dicaprio
Titanic
1720. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:48:01 PM
11) Falls on arrow, which goes through hip
Lancelot in Excaliber
No, that was his sword.
1721. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:48:18 PM
22) Beatty
23) Cox
Both Deliverance.
1722. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:48:37 PM
12) Yeah, but not what I was thinking. Another person frozen?
1723. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:49:05 PM
Yes to Beatty and Cox; and those are hints to other questions.
1724. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:49:56 PM
11) Falls on arrow, which goes through hip -- OPEN
Burt Reynolds -Deliverance
1725. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:50:37 PM
14) Suffers compound fracture of leg (that is, bone punctures skin and protrudes out of body) -- OPEN
Burt Reynolds - Deliverance
1726. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 1:51:29 PM
12. The monster in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
1727. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:51:31 PM
Burt Reynolds is answer to latter question, not to former.
1728. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:52:11 PM
Okay, I give up. The "HERO" I meant by "Frozen" is Han Solo.
I didn't say he died. I said he was Frozen.
1729. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:52:59 PM
I get credit for Dicaprio.
1730. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 1:55:06 PM
Credit, yeah. For some questions, obviously, there are lots of answers.
Was DiCaprio really a hero, though? Seems to me he was all drool and chomp.
1731. 109109 - 11/16/1999 1:57:33 PM
11) Falls on arrow, which goes through hip -- OPEN
THIS ONE IS DRIVING ME NUTS.
1732. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:05:17 PM
AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON... 1733. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:06:09 PM
Match the horses to their owners/riders
it gets harder as we go...
1 Silver
2 Tornado or Phantom
3 Scout
4 Traveler
5 Topper
6 Champion
7 Diablo
8 Lightning or Widow Maker
9 Buck
10 Isham
Bonus- what's Dudley Do-Rite's horse's name?
1734. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:06:24 PM
1 Silver -- Lone Ranger
2 Tornado or Phantom -- Tonto?
3 Scout --Roy Rogers?
4 Traveler -- Gandalf?
1735. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 2:06:44 PM
2) Mostly Killed -- OPEN
Wesley in Princess Bride
Bitten in half--
Robert Shaw in Jaws
12) Frozen
Kurt Russel in The Thing, Austin Powers, Brion James in 5th Element
1736. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:06:46 PM
Do-Right's Horse-- Horse
1737. CalGal - 11/16/1999 2:06:51 PM
1. Lone Ranger
4. Robert E. Lee
1738. CalGal - 11/16/1999 2:07:36 PM
2. Zorro
1739. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:08:18 PM
Rask:
Yuhp. I added a "Frozen by elements" a while back, which I then forgot about. I meant Russel and the black guy (can't think of his name) at the end of The Thing.
1740. CalGal - 11/16/1999 2:08:34 PM
Dudley Do Right is Horse
7. Diablo--Cisco Kid?
1741. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 2:09:08 PM
I think Dudley only addressed his horse as "Horse".
3. Scout was Tonto's horse
1742. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 2:09:16 PM
1732. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/99 2:05:17 PM
AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON...
Match the horses to their owners/riders
it gets harder as we go...
1 Silver - Lone Ranger
2 Tornado or Phantom - Zorro
3 Scout
4 Traveler
5 Topper
6 Champion
7 Diablo
8 Lightning or Widow Maker - Pecos Bill
9 Buck
10 Isham
Bonus- what's Dudley Do-Rite's horse's name? Horse
1743. CalGal - 11/16/1999 2:09:20 PM
10. Isham--Buffalo Bill, maybe? It's some western guy, anyway.
1744. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:09:24 PM
Silver is the Lone Ranger
Tornado/Phantom is not Tonto
Traveler is Robert E Lee
3 and 4 are wrong.
Bonus- Ace is right!
1745. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 2:09:38 PM
AGAIN beaten by seconds by CalGal!
1746. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 2:10:33 PM
Oops, Ace beat me first.
1747. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:11:08 PM
CalGal gets Zoro
Ohio gets Tonto
Rask gets Pecos Bill and
Cal Gal gets Buffalo Bill Cody
1748. CalGal - 11/16/1999 2:11:28 PM
5. Topper--Hopalong Cassidy?
1749. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:11:48 PM
Sorry, CalGal also gets Cisco Kid-
1750. TrialShark - 11/16/1999 2:11:54 PM
2) Mostly Killed -- Westley, "The Princess Bride"
1751. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:12:37 PM
CalGal-right era, wrong guy.
1752. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:13:52 PM
Left-
Buck
Topper
Champion
1753. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:15:04 PM
Buck and Champion are TV stars
Topper was a Hollywood horse...
1754. CalGal - 11/16/1999 2:16:05 PM
9. Oh, I know--Matt Dillon.
1755. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:17:15 PM
CalGal- Right!
You were so close with Hoppy- and Topper had to listen to a lot of singing
1756. JonesAtLaw - 11/16/1999 2:19:31 PM
Have to go to court- Topper is Gene Autry and Champion is Hopalong Cassidy
1757. CalGal - 11/16/1999 2:20:27 PM
Are you sure I'm wrong about Topper? If so, I'll guess Gene Autry. But I was about to guess Gene Autry for Champion--but I think of Gene Autry as movies, not TV.
1758. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:23:25 PM
THE RIGHT TOOLS FOR THE JOB...
Here are some tools that give heroes/villain their power (or part of their power). Name the hero or villain.
1) Power Ring
2) Ring of Power
3) Eye of Agmotto
4) Sword: "Heartseeker"
5) Dagger: "Cat's Claw"
6) Magic Bracers
7) Bionic/Mechanical Hands
8) Mechanical Arm & Hand
9) Bullet Lodged in Brain
10) Way-Back Machine
11) The Lazarus Pit
12) Retractable hidden Garotte
13) Triple-Bladed Sword (this is a dumb movie)
14) Rapier with retractable dagger hidden in pommel
15) Headjack (several apply)
16) The Skulls of Tortuga
17) Quinjets
18) "The Charm of Making"
1759. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 2:26:33 PM
18. Merlin in Excaliber
1760. TrialShark - 11/16/1999 2:27:09 PM
10) Way-Back Machine -- Mr. Peabody
1761. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 2:27:34 PM
1) Power Ring - Green Lanterb
2) Ring of Power - Sauron
3) Eye of Agmotto - Dr Strange?
4) Sword: "Heartseeker" - Fafhrd
5) Dagger: "Cat's Claw" - Grey Mouser
9) Bullet Lodged in Brain - familiar, but dunno
10) Way-Back Machine - Peabody
11) The Lazarus Pit - Ra's Al Ghul
13) Triple-Bladed Sword (this is a dumb movie)
14) Rapier with retractable dagger hidden in pommel - damn thats familiar
18) "The Charm of Making" -Merlin in Excalibur
1762. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 2:27:45 PM
1. Power Rangers
1763. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:28:19 PM
19) Razor-bladed haberdashery
20) Cybernetic Exoskeleton
1764. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:29:13 PM
Yes to Merlin and Peabody; no to Power Rangers. Or at least I wasn't thinking of them.
And, I'm sorry to say, I believe that I'm sure they don't have Power Rings.
1765. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 2:29:35 PM
19 Oddjob
20 Collosus(sp?)
1766. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:30:20 PM
Rask:
Yes to all but no to Sauron.
Well, I guess "yes" to Sauron. But I was thinking of the "ONE TRUE Ring of Power." I meant Frodo or Bilbo.
1767. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:31:28 PM
Yes to Oddjob; a nitpicky "no" to Collosus. Collusus's steel is a mutant/psychic power; it isn't cybernetic/mechanical.
1768. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 2:31:43 PM
well Sauron got more of his power from the ring than Frodo, for whom the ring was more of a curse. Remember, the destruction of the ring destroyed Sauron. I can see both answers, but Sauron is the better one.
1769. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:32:17 PM
Rask:
Sauron never possessed the Ring.
1770. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 2:32:30 PM
20. Iron Man
1771. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 2:32:30 PM
Triple Bladed sword isn't "Krull" is it?
1772. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 2:33:20 PM
posession wasn't one of your criteria. It was "tools that give heroes/villains their power".
1773. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:33:41 PM
Not Krull, but along those lines. Krull had some stupid flying blade-disc.
As to Sauron:
Well, I guess he DID possess the Ring, but long before the story began. He never had the Ring during the actual stories.
1774. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:34:34 PM
Rask:
Sauron derived no power from the One Ring during the stories. He was trying to GET the ring, so he could get its power.
1775. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 2:35:32 PM
Ace: Sauron got all of his power from the mere existence of the ring. this is why its destruction destroyed him.
Yeesh. You need to re-read your Tolkien.
1776. OhioSTOPAS - 11/16/1999 2:38:26 PM
9 Steel Plate Lodged in Brain - Don Zimmer
1777. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 2:40:28 PM
You need to re-read your Tolkien.
No thanks. I'll take your word for it.
1778. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 3:22:22 PM
By the way, these are fun quizzes.
1779. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:33:22 PM
Some Answers:
Arrow through Hip-- Jon Voigt in Deliverance
Bionic/Mechanical Hands: Dr. No
Mechanical Arm & Hand: Tee Hee in Live and Let Die
Cybernetic Exoskeleton: Just used synonyms for "Powered Armor." Looking for Iron Man, here.
Triple-bladed Sword: Lee horsely in "The Sword and the Sorceror"
Dagger in Rapier's Pommel: D'artagnan in Three Musketeers; Rapier a gift from the Duke of Buckley
Hidden Garrotte: Red Grant, From Russia with Love
Headjack: Several. Keanu Reeves in both Johnny Mnemonic and The Matrix
Skulls of Tortuga: The Phantom
Quinjets: Marvel Comics Avengers. Quinjets are their planes.
Villain, head bitten off by non-shark sea creature: Lou Gossett ("Cloche") in The Deep; sea creature was a big moray eel.
Villain propelled out of towering skyscraper by gunshots: Several. Ronny Cox in Robocop, Henry Silva in Sharkey's Machine
1780. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:34:46 PM
Stabbed in gut while immobilized by windmill blade: Oliver Reed in Three Musketeers. His jacket was caught on the blade.
Strangled with rosary: Raquel Welch in The Four Musketeers, killed by Lady DeWinter (Faye Dunaway)
1781. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:37:03 PM
Electrocuted by electrified gate: Oddjob in Goldfinger. The Gate was electrified when Bond touched a power-cable to it; but it was electrified nonetheless
1782. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:39:04 PM
15) Loses half of arm in explosion -- OPEN
Denzel washington in Virtuosity
Killed by flying snake--
Sandahl Bergman, the blonde chick, killed by a snake which James Earl Jones has turned into a magic arrow in Conan.
1783. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:39:50 PM
Killed after giving someone change:
Sonny Corleone in The Godfather. James Caan took a lot of abuse on this quiz.
1784. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:47:17 PM
Bullet Lodged in Brain: Renard, villain in upcoming Bond movie. Not released yet, but they mention the bullet in his brain in the trailer and some of the commercials.
1785. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:48:04 PM
And that's not a spoiler; that information is supplied in the first briefing with M. Renard is only seen for a second before they tell you about the bullet.
1786. JJBiener - 11/16/1999 4:54:41 PM
Ace - You missed #1770.
1787. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 4:55:16 PM
JJ:
Sorry. You get half-credit.
Just kidding.
1788. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:18:31 PM
Company Men
Identify the Organization in the following films/series:
1) Bond (BONUS: Cover name?)
2) UNCLE's opponent organization Bonus: What does UNCLE stand for?
3) Maxwell Smart's org
4) Maxwell Smart's enemy org
5) Organization in "Marathon Man" (Might only be mentioned in book)
6) Organization in Remo Williams series/movies
7) Bond's RUSSIAN enemy org (Don't say SPECTRE)
8) Steve Austin/Jamie Summers org
9) Hudson & Hicks' org in Aliens (must get it 100% right; two words)
10) Marc-Ange Draco's (Bond's father-in-law) org
11) Nick Fury's org
12) Sergeant Rock's company
13) Lex Luthor's corporation
14) Iron man's Corporation
15) Jim Phelps (Mission Impossible) org (not CIA; or rather, a specifically named division in the CIA)
16) Crying of Lot 49 evil organization
17) Jacques Clouseau org
18) Derek Flynt (James Coburn) org
19) Matt Helm org (I don't know this at the moment; it'll come to me)
20) Alistair Crowley's org
1789. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 5:24:22 PM
1) Bond (BONUS: Cover name?)
Her Majesty's secret service (MI5), "Universal Exports"
2) UNCLE's opponent organization Bonus: What does UNCLE stand for?
C.O.N.T.R.O.L.
3) Maxwell Smart's org
arrgh
4) Maxwell Smart's enemy org
KAOS
5) Organization in "Marathon Man" (Might only be mentioned in book)
6) Organization in Remo Williams series/movies
7) Bond's RUSSIAN enemy org (Don't say SPECTRE)
SMERSH, in the books.
8) Steve Austin/Jamie Summers org
damn.
9) Hudson & Hicks' org in Aliens (must get it 100% right; two words)
Colonial Marines
10) Marc-Ange Draco's (Bond's father-in-law) org
That French Mafia, I forget its name.
11) Nick Fury's org
Shield
12) Sergeant Rock's company
Easy company
13) Lex Luthor's corporation
LexCorp
14) Iron man's Corporation
Stark Industries?
15) Jim Phelps (Mission Impossible) org (not CIA; or rather, a specifically named division in the CIA)
Impossible Mission Force
16) Crying of Lot 49 evil organization
Tristero
17) Jacques Clouseau org
SPECTRE
1790. CalGal - 11/16/1999 5:24:38 PM
4) CHAOS?
1791. CalGal - 11/16/1999 5:26:18 PM
8)I want to say OSI
1792. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:28:24 PM
Rask:
Good, except...
Sgt Rock, I thought, had a different name for his boys. I could be wrong.
And Jacques Clouseau did not work for Spectre. How could you think that?
Cal:
I think it's KAOS.
1793. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:28:43 PM
Cal:
It is OSI.
1794. CalGal - 11/16/1999 5:28:57 PM
I think it's KAOS too, I was proud of remembering the damn sound of it, much less the spelling.
1795. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 5:29:15 PM
6) There was more than one Remo Williams adventure?
20) A A or the Golden Dawn (he had more than one)
1796. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:29:41 PM
Ummm, wait: Smart worked for CONTROL. CONTROL is not UNCLE's enemy.
1797. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:30:06 PM
I was looking for Golden Dawn on Crowely.
1798. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 5:38:33 PM
Remo Williams' organization was CURE.
1799. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 5:39:14 PM
The "SPECTRE" answer was a joke.
I have to learn to telegraph this stuff better.
1800. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:41:57 PM
The Cure, I think, but correct.
Rask:
I thought maybe you were kidding. Wasn't sure.
1801. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 5:42:49 PM
Inspector Clouseau's organization was the Surete.
1802. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:44:46 PM
Now wait a minute.
Can you swear you're not using a search engine? Surete is fucking tough, and you didn't answer right away.
1803. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 5:47:36 PM
Ace: Rock may have had a different, informal, name for his group, and now that you mention it, I think he did (but I can't remember it). But the name of his company was "Easy".
1804. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 5:48:07 PM
Rask:
The "Howling Commandos"?
1805. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 5:49:26 PM
Yes. At first the only thing I could think of is the SDECE.
1806. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 5:55:13 PM
Someone had the Howling Commandos but I think it was the original Nick Fury.
1807. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 5:56:38 PM
It was like a band name, wasn't it? 'Nick Fury and His Howling Commandos'? Though I suppose this Sergeant Rock might have the same band name because I've got no idea who he's supposed to be.
1808. Angel-Five - 11/16/1999 8:22:13 PM
You guys are both screwing it up re: Sauron.
Relatively Easy Tolkien Quiz:
1) Which hobbit started the game of Golf?
2) Who slew the lord Balrog?
3) What was the lord Balrog's name?
4) Who was the twin of Elrond?
5) Galadriel's mate was who?
6) Who was the firstborn of Finwe and what does his name mean?
7) Name the wearers of The One Ring.
8) What is Umbar known for?
9) What was the former name of Mirkwood forest and what darkened it?
10) Name three dragons from Tolkien's Middle Earth stories?
11) What were the fruits of Yavanna?
12) What does Glamdring mean?
13) Name both fortresses of Morgoth.
14) What was the Helcaraxe?
15) What is a Tark?
16) Name all the dwarves in Bilbo's party in The Hobbit.
17) Who was the lord of the Ringwraiths and what was the name of his lieutenant?
18) Who was the last king of Numenor?
19) Who slew Beleg Cuthalion and with what? This weapon had a twin, what was it?
20) What was Grond? (Two possible answers)
21) What was the name of the elves who refused to come to Aman?
22) Who bore the three rings of the Elven kings?
23) Give three other names for Gandalf.
24) Which armies fought upon the Pellenor Fields?
25) Who was the last lord of Nargothrond?
26) Who wrought the Silmarils and what light burned within them?
27) What name did Sauron take in his deceptive manifestation among the Elves?
28) Who was Huan?
29) What is the name of the elven food which Sam and Frodo subsist on?
30) From whom did Sam get his pony?
1809. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 11:22:10 PM
This is revenge for me telling you to re-read Tolkien, isn't it?
1) Which hobbit started the game of Golf?
Can't remember his name - but he was the biggest hobbit in history, before Merry and Pippen, and I think his last name was Brandybuck.
2) Who slew the lord Balrog?
Gandalf
3) What was the lord Balrog's name?
dunno
4) Who was the twin of Elrond?
he chose humanity, and I think his story is in the Silmarillion.
5) Galadriel's mate was who?
Celeborn
6) Who was the firstborn of Finwe and what does his name mean?
dunno
7) Name the wearers of The One Ring.
Sauron, the guy who cut off Sauron's hand, (his son?), Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo, Sam.
8) What is Umbar known for?
The Corsairs.
9) What was the former name of Mirkwood forest and what darkened it?
Sauron darkened it, when he was known as the Necromancer. Can't remember its former name
10) Name three dragons from Tolkien's Middle Earth stories?
Smaug...
11) What were the fruits of Yavanna?
12) What does Glamdring mean?
Orcsbane?
13) Name both fortresses of Morgoth.
Minas Morgul and... Minas Tirith?
14) What was the Helcaraxe?
dunno
15) What is a Tark?
dunno
1810. Raskolnikov - 11/16/1999 11:22:20 PM
16) Name all the dwarves in Bilbo's party in The Hobbit.
Thorin, oin, gloin, fili, kili, balin, dwalin...
17) Who was the lord of the Ringwraiths and what was the name of his lieutenant?
The Witch King of Angmar. Don't remember the Lt.
18) Who was the last king of Numenor?
cant remember
19) Who slew Beleg Cuthalion and with what? This weapon had a twin, what was it?
dunno
20) What was Grond? (Two possible answers)
dunno
21) What was the name of the elves who refused to come to Aman?
dunno
22) Who bore the three rings of the Elven kings?
Elrond, Gandalf, and Galadrial
23) Give three other names for Gandalf.
Mithrander, the grey rider, the white rider
24) Which armies fought upon the Pellenor Fields?
Orcs (goblins), wood elves, humans, dwarves, and Beorn's forest friends
25) Who was the last lord of Nargothrond?
dunno
26) Who wrought the Silmarils and what light burned within them?
cant remember
27) What name did Sauron take in his deceptive manifestation among the Elves?
dunno
28) Who was Huan?
dunno
29) What is the name of the elven food which Sam and Frodo subsist on?
ack
30) From whom did Sam get his pony?
that thug at the inn, who mistreated the pony.
1811. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 11:29:41 PM
1) Which hobbit started the game of Golf?
Bullroarer Took
1812. AceofSpades - 11/16/1999 11:34:07 PM
Glamdring = Goblin Cleaver
1813. alistairconnor - 11/17/1999 12:18:27 AM
4) Elros
7) the guy who cut off Sauron's hand : Elendil. His son: Isildur.
1814. alistairconnor - 11/17/1999 12:20:08 AM
15) Tark : A Man, in Orkish pidgin.
1815. alistairconnor - 11/17/1999 12:22:24 AM
16) ... Bifur, Bofur, Bombur... two more?
1816. cmboyce - 11/17/1999 12:48:36 AM
"Relatively Easy Tolkien Quiz" Hahahaha! Only for those who've reread the thing fairly recently, I'd say.
The only morsels I can confidently contribute are:
(#23) another name for Gandalf: Strider
And (#29) the Elven food was called cram.
1817. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:49:11 AM
it wasn't Beorn's forest friends, it was the eagles. Although I think Beorn joined in.
1818. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:49:39 AM
strider was aragorn, not Gandalf.
1819. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:50:59 AM
I re-read it about three years ago. Now I am just keeping my fingers crossed that the movie won't suck. I have heard promising things, but I have mixed feelings about Peter Jackson's direction.
1820. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:54:59 AM
Alistair, think you can sneak on the movie lot for us, and give us an inside scoop?
1821. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 12:55:19 AM
elven food-- CraN, not cram.
Beorn HIMSELF shows up at the Battle of Five Armies, but no "forest Friends" I know. The Eagles do show up as well.
1822. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 12:56:42 AM
I don't think Beorn had any "forest friends," actually. He had some horses and cows and bees and a wife.
Sort of like Tom Bombadil (Christ, do I hate that idiot).
1823. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:58:08 AM
I can't stand Bombadil either. Jackson is catching flak for eliminating him from the script, but its a damned good call.
1824. cmboyce - 11/17/1999 12:58:43 AM
Ah, yes, Aragorn.
This quiz is sufficiently evocative, I may begin rereading it again TONIGHT.
I can't imagine that the movie could possibly come near the books, if only because when you read the book you provide a far-more-than-cinematic setting, ambiance, history, etc., in your head. Not to mention the sheer typographical pleasures of all those names. And, not least, the books last maybe several hundred times longer.
1825. cmboyce - 11/17/1999 1:02:30 AM
Damn! cran! My two morsels both inedible. Or maybe one inedible, one unpalatable.
I definitely agree on Bombadil. I think Tolkien sometimes had an unfortunate sense of his strengths; his rusticities are wearing. But maybe it's an English thing.
1826. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 1:05:41 AM
Any of you Tolkienites read the Harvard Lampoon satire, Bored of hte Rings? Or is that considered heresy? Just curious.
1827. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 1:07:23 AM
my main worry is that the books have a very old-fashioned quality to them, where the hobbits hug and emote, elves frolic, and men are stoic. I'm not sure how well that can translate to the big screen and not appear comical, particularly in the hands of Peter Jackson, who can't keep a camera still, loves splatter effects, and prefers extreme, distorted close-ups to long shots of horses riding through gorgeous scenery.
Maybe he has more tricks up his sleeve. His American soulmate, Sam Raimi, did a surprisingly good job in A Simple Plan. But I fear that the Rings movies will be fast paced and feel like an action film, rather than go for an epic sweep.
1828. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 1:09:13 AM
I read the Lampoon version back in high school. The only thing that I remember is where the Galadrial character uses her pool to show Frito the future. After showing him the future, it promptly goes on to show Goldwater's Presidential inauguration.
1829. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 1:10:35 AM
Tom Bombadil's Song:
Hey, I'm Tom Bombadil
Dancing 'round the forest
in my big bright yellow boots
Acting like a fucking dipshit
Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadil
Hey Old Oak Tree, what ya knowin
I've come to watch your branches growin
please release that hobbit in your mouth
Or I'll kick your wooden ass with my bright yellow boots
Tom Bobadil Tom Bombadil
Tom Bombadil Tom Bomabadil
Ooooh ooooh Come on and Rock Me Tom Bombadil
Hey silly horses
eating the forest grass
Hey forest grass
being eaten by the horses
Everyone gets along in Tom Bombadil's forest
Except the grass, which gets eaten
But who cares about the grass
Tom Bombadil Tom Bombadil
Check out my big bright yellow boots
Tom Bombadil Tom Bombadil
I'm a fucking retard, I'm too absent minded to be given the Ring
Yeah. Break it down now
1830. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 1:15:51 AM
Check out my wife Goldenrod
Isn't she a dish
I make merry with her in my forest hut
I pretend that she's a tree
Trees give Tom Bombadil wood
Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadil
I like fucking vegetables
Tom Bombadil, Tom Bombadil
I'm horny for flora
1831. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 1:19:42 AM
and prefers extreme, distorted close-ups
I don't know what the hell is wrong with today's directors. If you watch old Bond movies, you'll see plenty of great long shots of Bond walking through HUGE spaces-- a castle's entry hall, the resevoir under a city, whatever.
Today's directors have apparently decided that the long-shot is old-fogeyish. Everything's so fucking up-close; you get no sense of size or space.
I see humans every day of my life. I don't often see castles and mountains and mesas and huge factories. Show them for god's sake.
1832. ChristinO - 11/17/1999 1:19:56 AM
Someone stinks of elderberries.
1833. ChristinO - 11/17/1999 1:22:05 AM
Ace,
Not everyone can be Terry Gilliam.
I just hope there's a little more plot in this Bond than the last one which I found rather diappointing. Or at least lets have better effects than just blowing things up.
"Whoop-dee-fuck, boys! Let's blow us up some more stuff!Yee-haw!"
1834. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 1:24:37 AM
That isn't Jackson's problem. He is a competent director, and does a decent job of establishing space, but he doesn't always seem to have a grasp of the appropriateness of specific camera tricks.
He did use NZ's landscapes to good effect in the "dream" scenes in Heavenly Creatures, and his intrusive camera work in that film worked in its favor. But goddamn was "The Frighteners" a bad movie.
1835. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 1:26:15 AM
The last one was one of the best Bond films in a long time (not saying much, but it was decent). While a lot was blown up, I thought the stunt work, the car chases, and Michelle Yeoh were top notch.
But I sense topic drift. Time for another Bond discussion in the Movies thread...
1836. ChristinO - 11/17/1999 1:27:01 AM
Let's not forget "Darkman"
On second thought........let's.
1837. ChristinO - 11/17/1999 1:29:51 AM
Rask,
Maybe I missed one in there. Was GoldenEye the one before the last one? With the big satellite-dish/swimming pool thing? It's quite possible that I'm forgetting which one the last one actually was, but I don't remember Michelle Yeoh in GoldenEye.
Of course it's late and my brain is half-shut off already.
1838. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 1:31:34 AM
Tommorrow Never Dies was the last one. Goldeneye was before that, and I don't think it was very good either.
Ace: I think it is time for some Bond quizzes.
1839. ChristinO - 11/17/1999 1:37:50 AM
Right! TND was good, I'd just forgotten that I'd seen it. MUCH better than GoldenEye.
Okay, I'm off to slumberland.
Cya!
1840. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 2:38:41 AM
sure, go shead rask
1841. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 11:25:11 AM
Answers to remaining company men questions:
2) UNCLE's opponent organization-- THRUSH Bonus: What does UNCLE stand for? United Network Command Law Enforcement. Might not make grammatical sense, but there you go.
5) Organization in "Marathon Man" (Might only be mentioned in book) --The Division
10) Marc-Ange Draco's (Bond's father-in-law) org -- Union Corse
18) Derek Flynt (James Coburn) org -- ZOWIE. It stands for something absurd like "Zonal Operations World Intelligence Espionage."
19) Matt Helm org (I don't know this at the moment; it'll come to me)--This still hasn't come to me.
1842. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:09:25 PM
was CONTROL Maxwell Smart's organization then?
1843. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 12:10:58 PM
Yes. (I actually said so earlier. First I said you were right, then I realized you'd given "CONTROL" as the answer for UNCLE rather than Get Smart.)
1844. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:14:19 PM
oops. missed that.
1845. JonesAtLaw - 11/17/1999 12:15:31 PM
I would recomend for all Tolkein readers Bored of the Rings- a Harvard Lampoon parody. I'll admit its a bit dated, but funny nonetheless. One of the few books that I have laughed out loud at, in fact I almost lost all control over bodily functions at the description of the riders of Roi-Tan, armed with battlemops and death dealing hangovers.
1846. IrvingSnodgrass - 11/17/1999 12:19:42 PM
I noticed this whle reading back posts:
cmboyce (Message # 1644):
I understand that there are children's counting rhymes in parts of Britain that are thought to preserve, in a seemingly-nonsensical series of syllables the only remnants of Pictish or Brythonic or something.
The rhyme in question is "eeny meeny minie moe." The only source I've come across this in is Bill Bryson's Made in America. Due to the fact that Bryson is a thouroughly disreputable source, I do not consider this as confirmed.
1847. CalGal - 11/17/1999 12:48:04 PM
Irv,
Thanks for closing that off--good to know.
1848. TrialShark - 11/17/1999 12:53:29 PM
Jonesy --
I was particularly fond of the inscription inside the ring:
This ring and no other was made by the elves
Who'd pawn their own mothers to grab it themselves
If broken or busted it cannot be remade
If found send to Sorhed (the postage is prepaid)"
1849. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 12:55:45 PM
I also remember a scene where Aragorn dismisses the faint hearted before attacking Mordor, and the entire army flees. That was one of the problems with the book - it got predictable in its satire.
1850. TrialShark - 11/17/1999 1:02:24 PM
Rask --
That was a nice scene. Predictable, yes, but the same could be said of the original epic.
The map in the frontspiece was good for a few chuckles, as well.
1851. Angel-Five - 11/17/1999 1:14:33 PM
1, 4, 5, 7 in a group effort, 8, half 9, 15, half 17, 22, 23, and 24 in a group effort have all been answered.
1852. JonesAtLaw - 11/17/1999 1:16:07 PM
or
"the boogies are a hairy folk
who like to eat until they choke
and loving all like friend and brother
they hardly ever eat each other"
1853. Angel-Five - 11/17/1999 1:20:09 PM
Bored of the Rings was hilarious.
'Alas', explained Goodgulf.
1854. Angel-Five - 11/17/1999 1:21:05 PM
Anything to ring, I mean drink, with that, sir?
1855. TrialShark - 11/17/1999 2:52:01 PM
Beware, for even the walls have ears, he said, pointing to two huge lobes protruding from behind the mantlepiece.
1856. Angel-Five - 11/17/1999 4:38:58 PM
BTW: 'Orcrist' means 'Goblin Cleaver'.
1857. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 4:40:13 PM
Then Glamdring means "Foe-Hammer."
1858. Angel-Five - 11/17/1999 4:44:27 PM
Right.
1859. arkymalarky - 11/17/1999 6:13:04 PM
Bored of the Rings is a riot, but I haven't read it since high school either. I used to read the trilogy every few years, but haven't in a long time...something about hitting thirty, maybe.
Ace, you crack me up, but so does Rose, so I'm not sure what that means.
1860. JJBiener - 11/17/1999 6:19:41 PM
I could never get through the trilogy. I would get about 70 pages into the first book then lose interest. I tried three times and I always lost it in the same place. A friend of mine in high school had read the trilogy about a dozen times. I never knew what he saw in it.
1861. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 6:22:00 PM
I've read the Hobbit twenty times. I've only read LOTR once, and I BARELY read it that time-- I was skimming like a mental patient. Very often I had only the vaguest idea of what was going on (which wasn't fatal, since nothing much happens in LOTR for hundreds of pages at a clip).
I've tried re-reading it since, and generally only get about 70-100 pages in before giving it up. On occasion I finish the first book. But I never have again gotten more than a chapter into the second book.
BOOOOOORING.
"The Hobbit," on the other hand, kicks ass.
1862. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 6:22:32 PM
JJ: I had the same problem the first time I tried reading it. The first half of the book is pretty damned boring. It slighly picks up when they are being chased by the black riders, and then really picks up once they hit the mines of Moria. After that, I was hooked.
1863. arkymalarky - 11/17/1999 6:23:18 PM
My daughter was the same way. She read about 100 pages into it and just never could get into it. My husband read The Hobbit and hated it, but I didn't like that book either. I spent a lot of my high school class time in the ninth grade reading LotR that would have been better spent paying attention.
1864. arkymalarky - 11/17/1999 6:24:34 PM
Hahaha. No accounting for taste, eh Ace?
1865. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 6:25:05 PM
I think I have read it three or four times.
1866. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 6:28:46 PM
LOTR is largely all foreshadowing and no action, all potential and no payoff. The Dark Riders are *cool* and all, but what do they actually do?
Nothing.
And when Sam and Frodo split up from the group... well, the Sam and Frodo chapters are a waste of space.
"And on the hundredth day, it was even drearier and darker than the last, and the ring weighed even heavier about Frodo's neck than it had on the ninety-ninth day or the ninety-eigth day, and certainly heavier than on the eightieth to ninety-seventh days (inclusive); and Sam mopped Frodo's brow, and then kissed Frodo's brow, and then they walked some more, and it grew darker and drearier, and the Ring was now quite heavy, really heavy, like as heavy as, I don't know, a pitcher of water maybe, or even heavier still.
"And then danger came. In the distance they saw the Dark Riders, and they hid beside some dreary hedges. And then the sweat dripped down Frodo's brow, and Sam wiped his brow, and then kissed his brow again; 'Stop kissing me all the time,' Frodo said, but Sam kissed him three times again anyway.
"And then the Dark Riders passed. Yeahp. That's it. That's all the action you get in this seventy page chapter.
"And then Frodo and Sam began walking again, this time through a dark, dreary swamp, a swamp even darker and drearier than the swamp they walked through in the last chapter, or the chapter before; and now the Ring was REALLY heavy, I mean super-duper heavy, and Frodo struggled to bear its weight, and Sam kissed his brow, just for the hell of it."
Good lord.
1867. JJBiener - 11/17/1999 6:29:59 PM
Arky - By ninth grade puberty had taken hold with a vengence and hobbits really held no interest for me.
Rask - I never made it to the Black Riders. I would get to the point where they met some guy in the forest, then I'd start looking for some Heinlein, Asimov or Ellison to read.
1868. CalGal - 11/17/1999 6:31:13 PM
I read all of them once, thought they were all absurd.
1869. JJBiener - 11/17/1999 6:31:55 PM
Ace - LOL!
1870. arkymalarky - 11/17/1999 6:31:56 PM
"...the Sam and Frodo chapters are a waste of space."
We can agree on that. In fact, your rendition is almost too realistic. My forehead was hitting my keyboard. One thing about a reread is you can skip the parts like that.
1871. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 6:39:58 PM
...meanwhile, SOMETHING seems to be happening in the Galdalf/Elf/Dwarf/Strider chapters, something involving Boromir's brother and wife, and some scheming and plans for war, but I'm skimming so fast I don't know what the hell is going on, and I only slow down for the Elf/Dwarf parts ("Hey! Maybe Dwarves aren't so bad!!!" "You're my BEST friend, Elf! Let's kill some orcs!"), and then Gandalf vanishes, and reappears with a twenty-five page accounting of his activities in the meantime, which of course I skip, so of course I don't know what plotlines were introduced during that span, and then there are songs, songs, songs, songs, and poems, poems, poems, and poems...
...and then I push through to the end, Gollum falls into a pit, Sauron dies, everybody's happy, but now there is, INEXPLICABLY, another hundred and fifty pages after Sauron dies, so I skim those, and gather that Saruman (Don't have any idea who he is, since I skimmed the Gandalf parts) has taken over the Shire, and then I skim more and Saruman dies and Frodo lives happily ever after.
1872. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 6:43:02 PM
Incidentally, no joke:
Tolkein's criticism of LOTR: "It's too short."
He was serious. He felt like he was "rushing" too quickly through the story, and that perhaps it should have been told over another thousand pages-- a five book borefest rather than a trilogy.
1873. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 6:52:20 PM
Tolkein could have learned from PG Wodehouse. Wodehouse described a morning thus: "And the sun peeked over the hills, and the mist of the hills fled down their slopes, and the air warmed, and the sunlight was bright and warmed, and the birds were chirping, and... Anyway, it was morning. You know what morning is like."
1874. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 6:53:03 PM
Bored of the Rings rocks. The introduction of the Ranger, Arrowroot of Arrowshirt, aka Stomper, was hilarious: "That Stomper was a Ranger was rather apparent, by his pearl-handled six-shooter, and the bandoliers of silver bullets which criss-crossed his chest. Also, he wore a mask." Hyuk hyuk hyuk.
Or when Frito and Dildo encounter the vicious Ballhog, where they first enter the Ballhog's lair through a stinky locker room, "hearing ominous noises --Dribble. Dribble. Fake. Shoot. Swish The Ballhog suddenly appears, seven feet tall and coal black, wearing only a tank top on which was written in cruel red runes, Villanova, and brandishing a huge faggot. 'You dieth, GI!' cried the faggot."
OK, now that I've gotten that out of my system, back to your original programming.
1875. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:02:16 PM
Sounds a bit Mad-Magazine-ish.
"Are you the Ring-Bearer?"
"No, you dolt, I'm just..."
1876. arkymalarky - 11/17/1999 7:02:48 PM
Ok, now I'm going to have to find that book somewhere. The friend I borrowed it from in high school insisted on taking it back several years later, selfish wench. I wonder if it's still in print.
1877. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 7:13:09 PM
Yeah, I have a old copy of it somewhere, that I've had since high school. I may have to dig it out. It's a pretty quick read.
Yes, Ace, it's very Mad Magazine-ish, and at times that becomes tiresome. But there's a lot of very funny material in it; I just posted what I recalled of it off the top of my head. I haven't read it in probably 10 years.
I do recall that the poem of Tim Benzedrine was quite a lot like what your poem of Tom Bombadil read like.
1878. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 7:16:37 PM
Remembering A5's reference to BotR in Message # 1853:
"'Alas.' exclaimed Goodgulf. 'Alack. I fear something may be amiss afoot.'"
Decent send-up of Tolkien's overwriting there, I thought.
1879. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:16:58 PM
Cart:
Well, considering the fact that I made up that crap on the spot, I'm not sure I'd be eager to read Bored.
I've heard of it, of course. But a lot of the humor just strikes me as a bit dumb. "Dildo," for example. It's not that it's vulgar or that it's fourth-grade humor; it's just that it's obvious fourth-grade humor.
I liked the "brandishing a huge faggot" joke, but, I mean, that's joking-with-your-friends-spontaneously type funny, not funny-in-a-book type funny.
1880. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 7:22:50 PM
Ace:
It is hit-and-miss, but it's such a quick read you can overlook some of the more strained humor that crops up from time to time. The Ballhog scene is hilarious, really, I just threw it out there as best as I can remember it. Either way, it's only about 180 pages, and small pages at that. You could knock it out in a rainy afternoon.
I never could get into Tolkien. I started the Silmarillion once, but gave up pretty quick. I couldn't see investing so much damned time in reading about midgets on a quest. I'd rather watch Time Bandits and have done with it.
1881. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:25:46 PM
The Hobbit's really good, and only 270 pages or so. Snap reading. One little adventure to the next.
1882. arkymalarky - 11/17/1999 7:27:34 PM
I haven't read BotR since I was in about the 11th grade. I wonder if my sense of humor has changed.
Considering my post Message # 1859, probably not much.
1883. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:32:00 PM
There's a part where giant spiders have poisoned (paralyzed) all the dwarves and netted them in the trees with webbing. Bilbo's the only one awake, and he's got the invisibilty ring. So he starts throwing stones at them, singing as he does to get their attention to draw them away from the paralyzed dwarves. Here's the part I like:
"This is what he sang:
Old fat spider spinning in a tree
Old fat spider can't see me
Attercop! Attercop!
Won't you stop
Stop your spinning and look for me
Old Tomnoddy, big fat body,
Old Tomnoddy can't spy me
Attercop! Attercop!
Down you drop
You'll never catch me up in your tree!
"Not very good, perhaps, but then you must remember that he made it up by himself, on the spur of a very awkward moment. It did what he wanted anyway. As he sang he threw more stones and stamped. Practically all the spiders in the place came after him: some dropped to the ground, some raced along the branches... They were frightfully angry. Quite apart from the stones no spider has ever liked being called 'Attercop,' and 'Tomnoddy' is of course insulting to anybody."
1884. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 7:32:50 PM
Oh, I don't mind long books at all -- I thoroughly enjoyed the recent unabridged version of The Stand, which runs around 1100 pages. But I'm not a terribly fast reader; I go for thoroughness over speed reading, which slows me down a bit. And the LOTR trilogy, plus the Silmarillion, would take a while. So I have to figure -- am I going to be kicking myself for spending 3 weeks reading about Hobbits and rings? Maybe not 15 years ago, when I had more time and was playing Dungeons & Dragons, but nowadays, probably not. Most fiction in general just doesn't appeal that much to me anymore, I have no idea why.
1885. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:33:05 PM
Snappy. Punchy. Quick.
No wandering for days on end through dreary, dark swamps.
1886. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 7:33:50 PM
1884 was to 1881.
1887. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:34:20 PM
Why read the Silmarillion? It's just the myths Tolkein created as background for his writing. The Silmarillion is no more necessary to Tolkein's stories than reading the Bible is necessary to understand Ivanhoe.
1888. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 7:38:47 PM
Ace: Message # 1887:
It just happened that The Silmarillion was given to me a long time ago, as a birthday present or something. I didn't have any of the LOTR books at the time, so yes, that probably threw me right from the start.
On a tangentially related note: Have you heard that there is a D&D movie in development? I believe it's live action, but am not sure. You'd think that idea wouldn't have a chance, after the masterpiece that was The Dungeonmaster.
1889. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:40:20 PM
Yeah, I've heard of it. Jeremy Irons is in it. They're in post-production.
1890. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 7:46:06 PM
Post-production? I thought they'd just started the thing. Doesn't matter, it's not like I'm going to go see it. I just find it curious, because I assumed D&D was hardly even around anymore. After they revised the books about 10-12 years ago, it was kinda fucked up. Plus by then the OG D&Ders (people like you & me) had moved on to beer and women, and not necessarily in that order.
1891. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:48:16 PM
Nah, I think they already shot it, in the Czech Republic.
1892. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 7:49:47 PM
It *does* seem like D&D's time has come and gone; then again, we're past that age as you say. Kids are still playing it; they're still publishing it, and they're putting out a third edition to coincide with the release of the movie.
I don't really have much interest in the movie, myself. LOTR is enough elves and dwarves and wizards for me.
1893. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 8:01:25 PM
See, that's what surprises me, that kids still play it. You certainly never hear anything about it. I figured the kids that were into FRPG were playing a simplified version, like Magic: the Gathering or something.
Even though I haven't played in 15 years, I still have the books. For game books, they're surprisingly well put together, and have a lot of interesting info on medieval weaponry and castle construction. Also, since the old books are long out of print, and totally different (the rules were changed to discourage evil alignments), there may eventually be some collector value to them.
[at a recent anonymous meeting]:
My name is Eric C., and I'm a recovering dork.
Room: Hi, Eric!
1894. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 8:03:00 PM
Cart:
If you have Deities & Demigods (first printing, with the Cthulhu section) in good shape, it could be worth around a hundred bucks or more.
1895. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 8:10:07 PM
Shit. That's one of the few I never got, along with Fiend Folio. I'm pretty sure I have all the others, though. Players' Handbook and DM Guide are pretty early editions. All of them are pretty much immaculate, though PH & DMG have a small amount of wear and tear from use.
A friend of mine had that version of D&D, with the Cthulhu mythos. Why did they take it out, anyway, nervous nellie parents scared sideways by Tom Hanks' compelling turn in Mazes & Monsters?
Maybe I'll have to check out the going rates on eBay. I even have the obscure books like Manual of the Planes and Dungeoneers' Survival Guide.
Good lord. No wonder I hardly ever got laid in high school.
1896. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 8:14:47 PM
They only had permission to print the Cthulhu stuff once. After that, the Cthulhu people gave the license to another company to make the Call of Cthulhu game, and that information was omitted.
1897. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 8:24:09 PM
OK, that's a good reason then. Who owns the Cthulhu stuff by now anyway, Derleth's estate, or did it revert back to Lovecraft's? Those are some pretty good, creepy-ass stories.
1898. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 8:25:12 PM
I don't know. Maybe Derleth. I've seen his name mentioned on the legal page of books.
1899. EricCartman - 11/17/1999 8:33:57 PM
Message # 1898:
Rhetorical question. I didn't actually expect you to know the answer to that one.
If the original Deities is worth that much, though, then the original PH, with the assassin class, and evil alignments, ought to be worth a few bucks too.
1900. AceofSpades - 11/17/1999 8:35:58 PM
I don't know-- there were many more of those sold & bought & in circulation. Scarcity determines price.
I used to have good copies of those too, almost Mint. Wonder where they got to.
1901. Raskolnikov - 11/17/1999 11:46:56 PM
"LOTR is largely all foreshadowing and no action, all potential and no payoff. The Dark Riders are *cool* and all, but what do they actually do? Nothing."
You skipped too much. There is an excellent scene where the riders chase Frodo into Rivendell in the first book, and my favorite scene in the entire trilogy (as a kid) was when Pippen and Eowyn take on the Witch King (the head of the ringwraiths) during the big battle in Gondor. They kill him.
I do generally agree on the Sam/Frodo stuff, although I really like the scenes in Shelob's Lair, and the subsequent escape from the tower.
But I do like the rather mournful final chapters in the Shire.
The LOTR books aren't my favorite fantasy (I liked the Thomas Covenant books better), but I definitely think they are worth reading.
And I prefer the term "recovering geek".
1902. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:06:35 AM
Actually, isn't it Black Riders?
And of course I remember the "Chase" to which you refer. I've read that first book a couple of times. But still-- nothing really happens. There's a brief chase and then suddenly there's some elven magic and that's that.
Which exposes a problem in the Ring trilogy.
Tolkein sets up several heroes-- like Elrond, and most of the first-tier elves, and Tom Bombadil-- who he assures us are powerful enough to beat Sauron. Elrond, for example, has no problem spanking the Black Riders' asses. And yet he keeps offering us rather lame reasons why THOSE persons stay out of the fight-- Tom Bombadil cares only for his forest, Elrond... I don't know, just stays in Rivendell, whatever.
So, you know, we've got these scrub hobbits fighting this big War, when Superman can fly in at any time and save their bacon, if needed.
That's a bit overstated, maybe, but after the Elrond the Elf spanked the Black Riders' asses, I just had no fear of them anymore. How fucking tough could they be? A dorky elf beat them by stirring up a river with some magic.
1903. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:08:33 AM
Gandalf is the same, of course, and was the same in the Hobbit. Gandalf MUST disappear and be off on his travels intermittantly, so that the rest of the heroes can face actual danger.
Because when he's there, you know, he can pretty much handle things.
1904. Raskolnikov - 11/18/1999 12:11:58 AM
heh. The one thing that *did* bug me about LOTR was some of the overdone foreshadowing...
"hush. such things should not be talked about during night"
"we dare not speak that name so close to Mordor"
"I dare not tell you more"
So, I wanted to know, if you say "Sauron" three times in front of mirror, does he suddenly appear and send your soul into eternal torment?
1905. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:14:05 AM
although I really like the scenes in Shelob's Lair
Oh, yeah. Great stuff. And great when Sam is killing Orcs with Sting and the Ring (is that the escape from the Tower?).
But, once again, one chapter of action in an entire half of a six hundred page book. Too much tail, not enough tooth.
1906. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:15:12 AM
Rask, that's conventional. Sauron's the Devil, so yeah, you run the risk of summoning him if you say his name.
1907. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:16:51 AM
...although some of that-- "I dare not tell you more now"-- sounds like a ham-handed way to stall providing information to the reader until a subsequent chapter. Or to break up a huge chunk of exposition into more digestible pieces.
1908. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:19:23 AM
I have high hopes for the LOTR movie, actually. Bad books (sorry, I didn't like it) often make good movies. And there's a lot of good stuff in the trilogy; cutting each book down to two hours screen time might be just what the doctor ordered.
1909. ChristinO - 11/18/1999 12:21:35 AM
Ace,
Could you e-mail me please? Or if you have ICQ you can send a message to UIN 14021875.
1910. TrialShark - 11/18/1999 12:22:35 AM
Black flags were raised in black towers and the gate opened like an angry maw to upchuck its evil spew. Out poured an army the likes of which was never seen. Forth from the gate burst a hundred thousand rabid narcs swinging bicycle chains and tire irons, followed by drooling divisions of pop-eyed changelings, deranged zombies, and distempered werewolves. At their shoulders marched eight score heavily armored griffins, three thousand goose-stepping mummies, and a column of abominable snowmen on motorized bobsleds; at their flanks tramped six companies of slavering ghouls, eighty parched vampires in white tie, and the Phantom of the Opera. Above them the sky was blackened by the dark shapes of vicious pelicans, houseflies the size of two-car garages, and Rodan the Flying Monster. Through the portals streamed more foes of various forms and descriptions, including a six-legged diplodocus, the Loch Ness Monster, King Kong, Godzilla, the Creature from the Black Lagoon, the Beast with 1,000,000 Eyes, the Brain from the Planet Arous, three different subphyla of giant insects, the Thing, It, She, Them, and the Blob. The great tumult of their charge could have waked the dead, were they not already bringing up the rear.
"Lo," warned Stomper. "The enemy approaches."
1911. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:26:14 AM
Christin:
I don't have ICQ, and I don't know your email address.
1912. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:26:41 AM
Trial:
That's pretty funny.
1913. ChristinO - 11/18/1999 12:28:34 AM
bridgeburner99@yahoo.com
sorry, I forget that the link is only in the cafe
1914. TrialShark - 11/18/1999 12:29:09 AM
Ace --
It's a great book.
Nat Lamp's parody of Dune is pretty good, too, but nothing can better BotR's accuracy in spoofing the target.
1915. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:32:16 AM
Trial:
Yeah, but the passage you quoted isn't really funny because it's a "spoof"; it's just generally funny. Its funniness doesn't really have anything to do with LOTR.
Unless characters said obvious things in LOTR like "Lo, the enemy approaches." But I don't remember that.
1916. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:34:38 AM
Call me crazy, but I say hire an editor/rewriter to cut LOTR down to eight hundred pages total and you'd have a big bestseller. (Another bestseller; I know it sells well).
1917. TrialShark - 11/18/1999 12:49:10 AM
Ace --
That particular passage is funny on its own, I'll grant you that. But it's funnier for its riff on JRRT's over-wrought descriptions.
There on the stoop were twenty-three lyre-strumming nymphs in gauzy pants-suits couched in a golden canoe borne on the cool mists of a hundred fire extinguishers and crewed by a dozen tipsy leprechauns uniformed in shimmering middy-blouses and fringed toreador pants. Facing Frito was a twelve-foot spectre shrouded in red sateen, shod in bejeweled riding boots, and mounted on an obese pale-blue unicorn. Around him fluttered winged frogs, miniature Valkyries, and an airborne caduceus. The tall figure offered Frito a six-fingered hand which held a curiously inscribed identification bracelet simply crawling with mysterious portents.
"I understand," said the stranger solemnly, "that you undertake quests."
1918. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 12:55:53 AM
But it's funnier for its riff on JRRT's over-wrought descriptions.
Maybe, but I quickly made it a rule to skip the first paragraph of each new section ("Roseate rays of sun dappled over the forest canopy...") so the spoof is lost on me.
1919. TrialShark - 11/18/1999 1:00:06 AM
Hmmm. Well, I can't say I blame you for skipping 'em.
It's like when Scully does a voice-over at the beginning of an "X-Files" episode: you know she's not going to say anything worth hearing, so it's okay to go get a beer.
1920. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 1:01:47 AM
Yeah. It's sort of like when any actress in a movie talks, you know it's not plot-related and you can go buy some Goobers.
1921. JonesAtLaw - 11/18/1999 1:02:10 AM
Who was it that "raised yaws and goiters for the river trade" that became a catch phrase in college for any god forsaken place.
1922. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 1:07:02 AM
Women in movies talk about four things:
--"You're married to that job! What about us!!!"
--"You've got to learn self control."
--"We need to be cautious here."
--"But what are the ethics of this action?"
The first two, you know the hero will learn self control and will end up a devoted lifemate, so they're irrelevant. The last two are irrelevant because they are NOT going to be cautious, and it doesn't matter what the ethics are, they're going to do it anyway.
Skittles me.
1923. TrialShark - 11/18/1999 1:09:57 AM
"... and you can go buy some Goobers ..."
Oh, yeah. Movies in theaters, that's what you're talking about. I remember going to movies a long time ago ...
1924. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 1:12:25 AM
Movies in theaters, that's what you're talking about.
Movies, videos, plays my daughter is starring in. Whenever a woman, flesh and blood or not, opens her yap, I go on a Twizzlers run.
1925. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 1:14:14 AM
"Daddy, which part of the play did you like best?"
"Oh, sweetie, I liked the part where you said 'blah blah blah boring boring blah blah' and when you sang that song, 'Blah blah blah blah blah.' Just wonderful, honey. Now go away. Daddy needs to think now, and he can't do that with your unending nonsensical prattling."
1926. TrialShark - 11/18/1999 1:14:34 AM
You must eat a lot of junk food.
I'll bet they named a concession stand in your honor.
1927. AceofSpades - 11/18/1999 1:21:44 AM
"Daddy, daddy, I got a gold star on my math test!"
"Shhh, sugar-pumpkin. Daddy's watching an infomercial now and that's much more important than whatever you might have been talking about. And take those braids out of your hair; they make you look like a whore."
1928. EricCartman - 11/18/1999 2:05:14 AM
Ace:
Did I say that you were George Costanza before? My bad. I meant Al Bundy.
Jones Message # 1921:
Who was it that "raised yaws and goiters for the river trade" that became a catch phrase in college for any god forsaken place.
If I remember right, it was the "Naugahydes", the largest and oiliest of the three types of Boggies. "Stools" was one of the other breeds, but I can't remember the third.
Murphy's Law: I can see the Silmarillion sitting on the bookshelf from here, but I can't find BotR anywhere. Figures. Anyway, the passages TrialShark posted are the ones I really liked about the book, just raking Tolkien's prolix prose over the coals. Great dumb fun.
1929. TrialShark - 11/18/1999 3:08:13 AM
Eric --
The Stools were the largest and oiliest boggies, and yes, they were the ones who raised yaws and goiters on the banks of the Anacin River. The Naugahydes were the interior-decorator folk.
The folk of the third breed were known as Clubfoots; they were swarthy, shifty-eyed, and short, and hired out as torpedoes for the dwarves.
1930. EricCartman - 11/18/1999 3:13:27 AM
Shark:
OK, now it's starting to come back to me, little by little. I love those descriptions of the Boggie races, btw.
Shit. I'm going to have to dig that damned book out now.
1931. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 3:36:27 PM
In honor of the Bond film opening today, I thought I would come up with a quiz involving the Bond films.
Identify the Bond babe seduced (or doing the seducing), and the film containing the described seductions...
1) Bond creates a forced choice from a Tarot deck containing only cards of "The Lovers".
2) A roll in the hay leads to a roll in the hay
3) Underwater, hidden by a coral reef
4) With SPECTRE agents hidden behind a two-way mirror
5) Demonstrating the opportunities presented by a zero-g environment
6) They are interrupted by an assassin wielding a buzz-saw yo-yo.
7) Bond snubs Maggie Thatcher to take up an offer of skinny dippy
8) Seduction is interrupted by a revenge-minded dwarf
9) Bond does a two story jump into a swimming pool to prove his affection
1932. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 3:36:34 PM
10) Bond unties their lifeboat from the towing ship
11) Bond discovers that he doesn't mind not always being top
12) A towel is strategically used to block the remote controlled voyeurism of Q.
13) The Bond babe finally decides she would rather screw him than kill him, and puts away her gun.
14) They are interrupted on a boat by a pair of homosexual assassins posing as waiters.
15) unknowingly, they are surrounded by hidden US armed forces
16) While hiding from Blofeld's forces in a barn
17) Bond kicks this piece of jailbait out of his bed.
18) She tackles Bond, who is bearing flowers after her concert
19) Post-coitus, she insists on telling Bond everything that she knows about her husband's plans, even though Bond doesn't wish to involve her.
I may have one or two details wrong, since I am going by memory.
1933. AceofSpades - 11/19/1999 3:39:51 PM
Rask:
I'm not answering, because I know all of them.
Except 19.
1934. CalGal - 11/19/1999 3:46:34 PM
I'm guessing; I don't watch them all that closely.
5) Moonraker
14) Diamonds are Forever
17) For Your Eyes Only
19) Tomorrow Never Dies
1935. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 3:47:47 PM
how about...
20) she mutters "oh James" as their boat drifts off, then the credits roll (name all that apply).
Unfortunately, I doubt I can name every one of them.
1936. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 3:48:24 PM
Cal: have to name the babes too. But the films are right.
1937. OhioSTOPAS - 11/19/1999 3:52:34 PM
1 (Tarot cards) must be Solitaire (Jane Seymour) in "Live and Let Die"
2 (roll in the hay) is, I think, Pussy Galore (don't know actress's name) in . . . "Goldfinger"?
15 (soldiers) is "Goldeneye", but I can't remember the name of the character or the actress who played her.
1938. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 3:59:08 PM
correct on 1 and 2 and half of 3.
1939. CalGal - 11/19/1999 4:09:22 PM
Oh, sorry.
5) Barbara Bach
14) Jill St. John
17) Lynn Holly Johnston
19) Terri Hatch
1940. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 4:11:57 PM
Hatcher, yes.
1941. CalGal - 11/19/1999 4:20:28 PM
Whatever. I thought she had way too much screen time.
1942. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 4:25:06 PM
I didn't. But I think she is a hottie. Looks sort of like my wife.
1943. OhioSTOPAS - 11/19/1999 4:30:33 PM
Well in that case, here's to Mrs. Rask!
1944. OhioSTOPAS - 11/19/1999 4:33:18 PM
"Tomorrow Never Dies": James Bond is told he's got 48 hours to save the world. . . two hours later he's in the sack with Teri Hatcher.
I imagined him thinking, "Well, 47 hours is probably enough."
1945. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 4:40:41 PM
why would the world be worth saving if you had to decline an offer of sex from Teri Hatcher?
1946. OhioSTOPAS - 11/19/1999 4:41:54 PM
Exactly.
And they say Bond movies don't have a "message".
1947. DocBrown - 11/19/1999 5:20:18 PM
6) is Maude Adams playing Octopussy, in the movie by the same name.
8) is also Maude Adams, in The Man With the Golden Gun (Andrea Ander?)
1948. Raskolnikov - 11/19/1999 5:26:46 PM
Yes on 6, but on 8 you have the right movie, but the wrong babe.
1949. Indiana Jones - 11/22/1999 4:19:16 PM
Teri Hatcher was pretty good in her old Lois & Clark days, but then she chopped her hair off and went skinny on us. Doesn't do as much for me anymore.
1950. PsychProf - 11/22/1999 4:27:55 PM
FOR RASK AND JONES 
1951. Raskolnikov - 11/22/1999 4:34:56 PM
wow. They are real, and they are spectacular!
1952. AceofSpades - 11/22/1999 4:40:54 PM
She is naked in "Heaven's Prisoners," and it is not an especially pretty sight.
1953. Raskolnikov - 11/22/1999 4:49:18 PM
I think she had just given birth.
1954. Raskolnikov - 11/22/1999 4:52:01 PM
I stand corrected. she got pregnant soon after.
1955. AceofSpades - 11/22/1999 5:04:36 PM
Rask:
She was pregnant during "Tomorrow Never Dies." She was just a bit unattractive in "Heaven's Prisoners."
Her boobs did appear real, however. Alas.
1956. 109109 - 11/22/1999 5:08:38 PM
Real? Yes.
But they were boobs that Franz Klammer could ski and get a very nice tip jump at the end.
She is cursed with National Geographic breasts.
1957. Indiana Jones - 11/22/1999 5:09:38 PM
Best skin flick for her that I've seen is Cool Surface. It's stinko but she's pretty hot in it.
1958. Indiana Jones - 11/24/1999 11:15:56 AM
I guess everyone went off to rent the video. New quiz, anyone?
1959. arkymalarky - 11/24/1999 3:54:07 PM
My husband thinks she's IT, especially since she has a math degree.
1960. JonesAtLaw - 11/24/1999 4:24:28 PM
Turkey Day is comming, and we all know what that means- watching football while you are as stuffed as the turkey was. Here's a quiz in honor of the day.
1. Who is the only coach to win a Heisman trophy as a player and coach a winner of the trophy?
2. Who has coached the most Heisman winners?
3. What coach has the highest winning percentage of all time?
4. What coach has the most wins in a career?
5. Who is the winningest active coach in percentage?
6. What division I coach never missed a bowl game in his career of 25 years?
7. What was the last team to go unscored upon during the regular season?
8. What college has the most national championships of all time?
9. What college has the most championships since the advent of the AP poll?
10. What college has the most national championships in the last thirty years?
11. What college has the highest average attendence per season?
12. What college has the record for consecutive sell outs at home?
13. What team is the winningest program of the 1990's?
14. What program is amoung the top ten all time in losses, and is in the top ten for winning in the 1990's?
15. What school has the current streak of top ten rankings at the end of the season?
1961. Nostradamus - 11/24/1999 4:38:37 PM
15 Florida State?
11 Michigan?
13 Florida State?
10 Alabama?
5 Bobby Bowden?
1962. JonesAtLaw - 11/24/1999 4:42:33 PM
Nostradamus-
15 FSU is right, 11 Michigan is correct
the rest are wrong.
1963. Dantheman - 11/24/1999 4:43:59 PM
#4 Bear Bryant, until JoePa passess him next year
1964. Dantheman - 11/24/1999 4:44:41 PM
Birth year
1965. Nostradamus - 11/24/1999 4:45:52 PM
I.Q.
1966. JonesAtLaw - 11/24/1999 4:48:09 PM
Correction- FSU is correct for No 13.
1967. JonesAtLaw - 11/24/1999 4:48:53 PM
Bear Bryant is correct for No 4.
1968. marshame - 11/24/1999 5:27:14 PM
Irving, I need you!
Sorry to butt in folks, but in the "Philosophy" thread, Angel Five is accusing me of the most demented/cannibalistic look in a photo that was posted in Irv's long-ago web page. Irving, is it possible for you to resurrect that photo and post it in the "Philosophy" Thread so that all may judge if I, indeed, am the middle-aged female version of Jeffrey Daumer.
Thanks!
1969. marshame - 11/24/1999 5:40:40 PM
Honest Irv, I'm not making this up. Look at his posts #2811, 2821, 2824, and 2830. As you may or may not recall, the picture of me shows me sitting on a couch, holding a baby, and smiling. Angel Five has me looking at the baby as if it were a salami, and I am ready to chomp.
But then, he does allow that I don't look like James Carville. Well that covers a lot of sins, I suppose.
1970. marshame - 11/24/1999 5:49:54 PM
Irv
One last thing. The "Philosophy" thread is now back to being the Spiritual Issues thread. At least for now.
1971. Nostradamus - 11/24/1999 5:56:38 PM
Oh Irv
Marsha has to go to the bathroom, is that okay?
1972. JonesAtLaw - 11/24/1999 6:12:22 PM
Don't know when I'll be on line so this evening I'll post answers hidden style in Try the Mote.
1973. JonesAtLaw - 11/26/1999 1:28:25 AM
Come on folks, those were easy. Here's an even easier follow up
A. The Four Horsement of Notre Dame lost two games in their career. Who did they lose to?
B. What is the oldest continuous rivalry west of the Mississippi River?
C. What do Gayle Sayers, Johnny Rogers and Nile Kinnick have in common?
D. Name a college team that has at least two mascots or nicknames.
E. Name a college football team whose mascot does not end in s or other plural form.
F. Name 5 states with only one Division IA football program.
G. What is the oldest college marching band in the U.S. and has a march written for it by John Phillips Sousa?
1974. Indiana Jones - 11/26/1999 10:43:29 AM
E. Stanford Cardinal, Crimson Tide
1975. Indiana Jones - 11/26/1999 10:47:13 AM
D. I don't know if it's official, but I've heard announcers refer to the Alabama Crimson Tide as the Red Elephants, or something like that.
1976. JudithAtHome - 11/26/1999 10:49:53 AM
B. Texas-OU (What do I know? Hey, my husbands playing golf and I'm bored here.)
1977. JonesAtLaw - 11/26/1999 10:53:43 AM
Indiana- Correct
Nostradamus-Partial credit. I was thinking of another school in the area(hint)
Judith- Close, also a longstanding rivalry. The one I'm thinking of has been so lopsided in the last few years it almost doesn't count as a rivalry anymore.
1978. JudithAtHome - 11/26/1999 11:25:08 AM
Jones:
I know nothing of college foootball; the only rivalries I'm familiar with are Texas-OU and USC-UCLA. And the last time I watched one of those games, John Harmon was a coach for....ha, one of those California schools.
1979. JonesAtLaw - 11/26/1999 12:08:28 PM
Judith- In your area, I understand a lack of fervor in college football akin to canibalism in inviting social disapproval. Next you'll tell me you don't watch high school football on Fridays nor the Cowboys on Sundays!
1980. JudithAtHome - 11/26/1999 1:38:34 PM
Oh no! I've been found out!
1981. JonesAtLaw - 11/27/1999 4:56:44 PM
A. The four horsemen lost to Nebraska in '21 and '22. They won their senior year and won the national championship.
B. I believe that it is Nebraska vs. Kansas which dates back to 1891.
C. All are from Omaha, Nebraska.
D. Auburn Tigers, or War Eagles
E. Green Wave of Tulane, Alabama Crimson Tide (answered correctly along with) Stanford Cardinal, Tulsa Goleden Hurricane.
Collective Singular- ND Fighting Irish, NSC Woolfpack and Nevada Wolf Pack, Marshall Thundering Herd.
F. Hawaii, Nebraska, Wyoming, Missouri
1982. JonesAtLaw - 11/27/1999 5:05:12 PM
F. Cont'd Minnesota Massachusetts New Jersey and Wisconsin.
G. Maching Red of U. Of Nebraska- originally a ROTC unit, JPS wrote a march for the band in his heyday as the March King after seeing them perform.
1983. Indiana Jones - 11/29/1999 5:52:03 PM
A quiz ring--the end of each answer sort of starts the next in the sequence.
1. Ironclad
2. Hitchcock's desire
3. Sinatra standard
4. O'Neill tragedy
5. Wolfe book
6. Man killer
7. Solzhenitsyn novel
8. TV father
9. Survived one psycho
10. Frost line
11. Vehicle for female psycho?
1984. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 12:51:15 PM
Well, I thought #1983 would be really easy, especially once someone got the ball rolling by getting one right. So here are some additional clues for 1, 3, 4, 5, 10, and 11 to jumpstart the sucker (no particular order):
Computerized suicide-cocktail quiz
What a Tilley request!
Distance out of (?) Woods
"Set" in Civil War era. (twice)
Tarantino's second title choice?
By the way, 11 does loop back to 1.
1985. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 1:34:04 PM
Still obscure, Indy.
Stream of consciousness answers for
1)excuse, alibi (this is before the clue after the clue I'm totally lost)
2)Young girls, horror, mystery and his dogs -----no idea
3)My Way, New York, Under My Skin, Summer Wind (after clue no better since the only Tilleys I can think of are Meg and Jennifer)
4)The man didn't write any happy plays but the clue puts me in mind of Desire Under the Elms or Long Day's Journey into Night
5)I'm assuming Thomas Wolfe but he didn't write Civil War novels did he? Unless the clue is for #10------looks like you're missing a clue
6)Cancer
7)Cancer Ward
8)Ward Cleaver
9)Jamie Lee Curtis? No idea
10)No idea there's only
FUCKING EARTHQUAKE!!!!
okay, it's over. no big deal
uh, 10, right?
10) Couldn't even begin to choose without context of other answers
11) Hmmmm can't think of a specifically female word for psycho. Clue didn't help since I couldn't think which film you might've meant.
so I think I got three for sure and I might have happened onto another one early but only because I listed a bunch.
1986. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 1:48:39 PM
ChristinO, thanks for giving it a go. The second set of clues go with the numbered answers, but the order isn't necessarily correct. And the Civil War clue applies to two different ones in the set. But the biggest thing is that you've started the ball rolling, which should make the other answers easier:
1. Ironclad
2. Hitchcock's desire
3. Sinatra standard
4. O'Neill tragedy
5. Wolfe book
6. Man killer [?] cancer
7. Cancer Ward
8. Ward Cleaver
9. Survived one psycho
10. Frost line
11. Vehicle for female psycho?
Also, Meg Tilley is apropos, but the author you're looking for is Tom, not Thomas.
1987. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 1:53:18 PM
I thought that might be it. Okay, I'll go and look again.
Okay, so the earthquake was leetle---only 3.2 but the epicenter is less than five mile from where I'm sitting so it was a bit of a jolt.
1988. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 1:53:21 PM
Guessing:
3. Fly Me to the Moon
4. Moon for the Misbegotten
1989. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 2:14:37 PM
Sorry, Ohio, neither's correct. The correct Sinatra tune hasn't been mentioned yet, but the other clue that goes with it is "Tarantino's second title choice?"
1990. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 2:18:57 PM
Oh, duh, 5 is Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
1991. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 2:23:17 PM
Ohio,
I like your answers though!
1992. Dantheman - 11/30/1999 2:24:50 PM
Making #6 testicular cancer (thanks ChristinO)
1993. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 2:27:29 PM
Then 4 is Mourning Becomes Electra.
1994. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 2:35:35 PM
Then is 3 "Strangers in the Night"? (With "morning" (Mourning) following "Night"?)
1995. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 2:40:22 PM
Which makes #3 Monday Morning Quarterback
1996. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 2:43:27 PM
Correct, Dan and Ohio. Ohio, that's pretty clever, but I didn't get that tricky, so #3 isn't "Strangers in the Night." The way you're thinking should help you get the right answer, though.
Last update for a while--I'm going to have to do some real work.
1. Ironclad
2. Hitchcock's desire
3. Sinatra standard (Tarantino's second title choice?)
4. Mourning Becomes Electra
5. Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
6. Testicular cancer
7. Cancer Ward
8. Ward Cleaver
9. Survived one psycho
10. Frost line
11. Vehicle for female psycho?
Each sort of leads to the next, and 11 leads back to 1.
Remaining clues for 1, 10, 11 (unordered):
What a Tilley request!
Distance out of (?) Woods
"Set" in Civil War era. (This clue also applied to "Mourning Becomes Electra," hence the "twice.")
1997. JJBiener - 11/30/1999 2:44:48 PM
9. Vera Miles?
1998. Dantheman - 11/30/1999 2:45:47 PM
10 Miles to go before I sleep?
1999. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 2:45:53 PM
Although if it's Strangers in the Night then #2 could be Strangers on a Train and #1 could be the Iron Horse.
2000. JJBiener - 11/30/1999 2:46:40 PM
9. Could be Vernon Jordan.
2001. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 2:47:04 PM
9 Vera Miles
10 Miles to go before I sleep
2002. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 2:47:24 PM
Yep, JJ and Dan.
2003. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 2:47:52 PM
Always too slow!
2004. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 2:48:49 PM
#3) Moonlight Becomes You?
2005. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 2:48:55 PM
Missed being first with the right answer AND the millennial!
2006. theDiva - 11/30/1999 2:50:34 PM
Ohio
Wait'll next year!
2007. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 2:51:46 PM
Oh duh, my last answer for #3 doesn't match the clue
2008. JJBiener - 11/30/1999 2:51:52 PM
Ohio - Timing is everything, buddy.
2009. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 3:42:04 PM
Finally (Indiana, your quiz is killing my productivity at work today!), the "Aha!" experience:
1. Merrimac
2. Maguffin
2010. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 3:43:21 PM
Re #2006:
Ahem.
Diva, that's MY line!
2011. JonesAtLaw - 11/30/1999 3:43:27 PM
11.Bloody Mary
2012. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 3:44:39 PM
Correct, Ohio. I thought #2 would be the hardest, so congratulations.
2013. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 3:51:54 PM
1. Merrimac
2. Macguffin
3. Sinatra standard (Tarantino's second title choice?)
4. Mourning Becomes Electra
5. Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test
6. Testicular cancer
7. Cancer Ward
8. Ward Cleaver
9. Vera Miles
10. Miles to go before I sleep
11. Vehicle for female psycho? What a Tilley request!
(Macguffin is the spelling I'm used to for #2)
2014. theDiva - 11/30/1999 3:56:19 PM
3. Strangers in the Night
2015. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 3:57:28 PM
#11 is Sleep With Me
2016. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 3:58:48 PM
Diva and Lawyerin Cuz, it has to start with the ending of the previous and end with the start of the next. So "strangers" and "bloody" won't fit.
2017. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 4:00:41 PM
Correct, Christin(). Meg Tilley was the one dressing up as Norman Bates in Psycho II and was also the object of "Sleep With Me."
2018. theDiva - 11/30/1999 4:01:12 PM
oh prunes.
2019. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 4:03:04 PM
No, that's not right either.
2020. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:03:36 PM
is #3 Mack the Knife? it doesn't really go but at this point I can rationalize anything.
2021. JJBiener - 11/30/1999 4:05:06 PM
#3 is Five Minutes More. A fin is slang for a five dollar bill.
2022. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:05:17 PM
Damn! Okay, back to the drawing board.
2023. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 4:05:46 PM
Well, let's see, that was Bobby Darin, it doesn't start or end with the right letters, okay, we'll give partial credit because I'm sure it relates to Quentin Tarantino somehow. Hee-hee-hee.
2024. theDiva - 11/30/1999 4:05:47 PM
God, am I dumb.
3. In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning.
2025. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:07:31 PM
Sinatra also did it and a Kife is a weapon which could cause mourning. I"m ditsy but there is a method to my madness.
2026. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 4:07:55 PM
Yea, Diva! Which also contains the lyric "from dusk till dawn."
2027. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 4:09:01 PM
Thank you to everyone who played my quiz.
2028. theDiva - 11/30/1999 4:09:23 PM
(bows humbly)
2029. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:10:33 PM
3. Night and Day?
2030. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:11:05 PM
Duh!
Cool Deev! Hooray!!!!
2031. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 4:11:53 PM
Good quiz, IJ!
2032. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:12:22 PM
C'mere Indy I'm going to beat you soundly round the head and shoulders. Great quiz but now I'm bald with no fingernails and have nothing to show for the morning's work!
2033. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:16:54 PM
How 'bout a riddle?
I may have posted this one before. If you know the answer please post with invisible ink so others can play too. It's one of my favorites.
One man makes it and sells it.
Another man buys it but doesn't use it.
A third man uses it but doesn't know it.
What is it?
2034. Indiana Jones - 11/30/1999 4:19:10 PM
tombstone?
2035. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 4:24:34 PM
Indy,
Yes because it fits all the requirements although it wasn't the answer I was looking for. Very very close: coffin-------I don't think one is any better than the other it's just the way I heard it.
end
2036. angel-five - 11/30/1999 5:32:54 PM
Bond quiz. This link may or may not work.
2037. PelleNilsson - 11/30/1999 5:50:31 PM
I made an amusing mistake just now. I wanted to go to amazon.co.uk but typed in amazon.uk.com. And I came up with this: 
What brand of car do you think it is?
2038. angel-five - 11/30/1999 6:58:44 PM
Easy, Easy Lyrics Quiz:
1)Scusi, dove il bar?
se para collo, pouiene toe bar?
s'il vous plait, ou il le bar?
Oi! Where's the fucking bar, John?
2)When the ebbing tide recedes
across the rocky shoreline
it leaves a trail of tidal pools
in a short-lived galaxy
each microcosmic planet
a complete society
a simple kind of mirror
to reflect upon our own
all the busy little creatures
chaising out their destinies
Living in their pools
they soon forget about the sea...
3)Jan lays down and wrestles in her sleep
Moonlight falls on comic books
and superstars in magazines
an old friend calls
and tells us where to meet
her plane takes off from Baltimore
and touches down on Bourbon street.
4)Where's that confounded bridge?
5)Those summer nights
I do remember
from my youth
I do recall
those were the best times
most of all
In the heat with a blue-jeaned girl
burning love comes once in a lifetime...
6)Mr. Reagan says we will protect you
I don't subscribe to that point of view
7)early morning
April 4
shots ring out
in the Memphis sky
free at last
they took your life
but they could not take your pride....
8)But shoot it in the right direction
Make making it your intention-ooh yeah
Live those dreams
Scheme those schemes
Got to hit me
Hit me
Hit me with those laser beams
9)And I need you now tonight, and I need you more than ever
And if you'll only hold me tight, we'll be holding on forever
And we'll only be making it right, 'cause we'll never be wrong
10)Oh, baby I wanna get with ya
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But with that butt you got
Me so horney
Ooh, all of that smooth skin
You say you wanna get in my benz
Well use me use me cuz you aint that average groupy
2039. angel-five - 11/30/1999 6:59:43 PM
11)Man we were killin' time
We were young and restless
We needed to unwind
I guess nothin' can last forever - forever, no
And now the times are changin'
Look at everything that's come and gone
Sometimes when I play that old six-string
I think about ya wonder what went wrong
12)Josie's on a vacation far away
Come around and talk it over
So many things that I'd like to say
You know I like my girls a little bit older
13)You wake up late for school, man you don't wanna go
You ask you mom, "Please?", but she still says, "No!"
You missed two classes, and no homework
But your teacher preaches class like you're some kind of jerk
14)All you got is this moment
The twenty-first century's yesterday
You can care all you want
Everybody does yeah that's okay
So slide over here
And give me a moment
Your moves are so raw
I've got to let you know
15)A man decides after seventy years,
That what he goes there for, is to unlock the door.
While those around him criticize and sleep...
And through a fractal on a breaking wall,
I see you my friend, and touch your face again.
Miracles will happen as we trip.
But we're never gonna survive, unless...
16)For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved
So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No they never taught us what was real
Iron and coal
And chromium steel
17)He saw stars in his eyes, and the very next day
Bought a beat up six-string, in a second-hand store
Didn't know how to play it, but he knew for sure
That one guitar felt good in his hands, didn't take long to understand
Just one guitar, swung way down low
Was a one way ticket, only one way to go
So he started rocking, ain't never gonna stop
Gotta keep on rocking, someday gonna make it to the top
2040. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:03:07 PM
18)Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
19)So cool she was like jazz
On a summer's day
Music high and sweet
Then she just blew away
Now she can't be that warm
With the wind in her arms
20) Up in Memphis the music's like a heatwave
White lightning, bound to drive you wild
Mama's baby's in the heart of every school girl
"Love me tender" leaves 'em cryin' in the aisle
21)Tell me do you think it'd be all right
If I could just crash here tonight
You can see I'm in no shape for driving
And anyway I've got no place to go
And you know it might not be that bad
You were the best I'd ever had
If I hadn't blown the whole thing years ago
I might not be alone
22)It is the night
My body's weak
I'm on the run
No time for sleep
I've got to ride
Ride like the wind
To be free again
And I've got such a long way to go
To make it to the border of Mexico
23)Red light, yellow light, green-a-light go!
Crazy little woman in a one man show
Mirror queen, mannequin, rhythm of love
Sweet dream, saccharine, loosen up
You gotta squeeze a little, squeeze a little
Tease a little more
Easy operator come a knockin' on my door
Sometime, anytime, sugar me sweet
Little miss innocent sugar me, yeah
24)Six o'clock already
I was just in the middle of a dream
I was kissin' Valentino
By a crystal blue Italian stream
But I can't be late
'Cause then I guess I just won't get paid
These are the days
When you wish your bed was already made
25)Hey little sister what have you done
Hey little sister who's the only one
Hey little sister who's your superman
Hey little sister who's the one you want
Hey little sister shotgun
2041. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:17:16 PM
Extra Credit
1)I hate the world today
You're so good to me
I know but I can't change
tried to tell you but you look at me like maybe I'm an angel
underneath
innocent and sweet
Yesterday I cried
You must have been relieved to see the softer side
I can understand how you'd be so confused
I don't envy you
I'm a little bit of everything
all rolled into one
2)I believe in the sand beneather toes
The beach gives a feeling
An earthy feeling
I believe in the faith that grows
And the four right chords can make me cry
When I'm with you I feel like I could die
And that would be all right
All right
3)Must of been mid afternoon
I could tell by how far the child's shadow stretched out and
He walked with a purpose
In his sneakers, down the street
He had many questions
Like children often do
He said
When the plan came in
She said she was crashing
The velvet it rips in the city we tripped
On the urge to feel alive
But now I'm struggling to survive
The days you were wearing
That velvet dress
You're the priestess I must confess
Those little red panties
They pass the test
Slide up around the belly
Face down on the mattress
One
Now you hold me and we're broken
Still it's all that I want to do just a little now
2042. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:24:37 PM
Whoops!
Extra Credit
1)I hate the world today
You're so good to me
I know but I can't change
tried to tell you but you look at me like maybe I'm an angel
underneath
innocent and sweet
Yesterday I cried
You must have been relieved to see the softer side
I can understand how you'd be so confused
I don't envy you
I'm a little bit of everything
all rolled into one
2)I believe in the sand beneather toes
The beach gives a feeling
An earthy feeling
I believe in the faith that grows
And the four right chords can make me cry
When I'm with you I feel like I could die
And that would be all right
All right
When the plan came in
She said she was crashing
The velvet it rips in the city we tripped
On the urge to feel alive
But now I'm struggling to survive
The days you were wearing
That velvet dress
You're the priestess I must confess
Those little red panties
They pass the test
Slide up around the belly
Face down on the mattress
One
Now you hold me and we're broken
Still it's all that I want to do just a little now
3)Must of been mid afternoon
I could tell by how far the child's shadow stretched out and
He walked with a purpose
In his sneakers, down the street
He had many questions
Like children often do
He said
4)I am I am I said I'm not myself, but I'm not dead and I'm not for sale
So keep your bankroll lottery eat your salad day deathbed motorcade
2043. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:27:51 PM
Jaysus! I'm gonna be pissed if someone got here ahead of me!
6) Russians-----Sting
7) Pride/In the name of love------U2
9) Total Eclipse of the Heart-----Bonnie Tyler
10)Baby Got Back-----Mix a lot?
11)Summer of '69---Bryan Adams
14)You're one of my kind-----INXS
15)Crazy----Seal
17)Juke Box Hero-----??
20)Black Velvet-----Alanah Miles
22)Ride Like the Wind-----Christopher Cross
24)Manic Monday----The Bangles
25)White Wedding ----Billy Idol
2044. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:30:28 PM
bonus
1)Bitch ----Meredith Brooks and a favorite karaoke tune of mine
3)Counting Blue Cars-----???
2045. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:34:17 PM
Sorry, #14 is Need You Tonight by INXS
2046. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:35:07 PM
16) Allentown-----Billy Joel
2047. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:35:39 PM
Ms. No:
Right on 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, half 14, 15, half 17, 20, 22, 24, and 25. Extra Credit 1 and half 3.
2048. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:35:56 PM
Juke Box Hero is by Foreingner
2049. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:35:59 PM
14 and 16 all right.
2050. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:36:27 PM
Aaand 17, too.
2051. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:37:49 PM
Oh, 21 is Jealousy by.......crap some flash in the pan whose other songs sounded just like it. Same year as Hootie and the Blowfish got big.
2052. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:37:59 PM
Foreingner? Lou Foreingner? (smile)
2053. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:43:02 PM
Dont cap on my spelling I'm on a roll cupid-boy!
2054. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:47:39 PM
Artist for #3 in the Bonus section is Dishwalla
2055. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:49:21 PM
21) is actually Hey Jealousy by the Ginblossoms
2056. angel-five - 11/30/1999 7:49:41 PM
Yup. And you got half the Hey Jealousy one too, miss Top Forties Miracle.
2057. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:53:56 PM
Can't help it. I have a head for lyrics. It's a part of my brain where I score in the genius levels for all the good that does me. Nobody ever got a Nobel Prize for knowing every lyric to every Styx song ever written.
2058. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 7:55:05 PM
#2 in the Bonus section is something like Fat-Boy Slim or something.
2059. angel-five - 11/30/1999 8:01:54 PM
No. (cackling)
2060. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 8:06:22 PM
The more I thought about that the wronger it felt. It's one of those white-boy-semi-hip-hop bands out of one of the beach towns here.
2061. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 8:06:52 PM
The problem I'm having is that it has a rhythm progression like another song by another band that I can't get out of my head.
2062. angel-five - 11/30/1999 8:07:17 PM
The song, I think, got to #1 on the alternative charts.
2063. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 8:09:54 PM
yeah it did, it wasn't ever one of my favorites though.
2064. angel-five - 11/30/1999 8:18:40 PM
I think it was on a soundtrack, too.
2065. IdiotWind - 11/30/1999 8:20:51 PM
Easy one. What does the "K" number stand for after the title of Mozart's compositions?
2066. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 8:27:47 PM
Angel, probably "Go" or "The Facutly" or "Idle Hands"
2067. IdiotWind - 11/30/1999 8:30:29 PM
Wrong! You're out.
2068. ChristinO - 11/30/1999 8:31:46 PM
dang!
2069. IdiotWind - 11/30/1999 8:33:27 PM
Life is like pizza. Even when it's bad it's good.
2070. OhioSTOPAS - 11/30/1999 9:57:14 PM
12 was a song by a band called the Outfield. "I Don't Want to Lose Your Love Tonight" - was that the title?
2071. angel-five - 11/30/1999 10:07:31 PM
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 18, 19, 23, and 2 and 4 extra credit still need answered. Ohio: Close enough.
2072. angel-five - 11/30/1999 10:07:56 PM
I think the title is 'Your Love'.
2073. JonesAtLaw - 11/30/1999 10:17:30 PM
No 3 is Led Zepplin off of III. But it doesn't connect musically, which is the joke of the lyric. Evil question!
no. 18 is Cult of Personality by In Living Color- (it rocks and should be the Mote's anthem)
2074. JonesAtLaw - 11/30/1999 10:38:26 PM
Idiot wind- k. is for Kirkholt listing- the musical equivalent of a bibilography for Mozart.
2075. mintcar - 11/30/1999 11:19:16 PM
Isn't #3 "Standing Outside A Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand" by Primitive Radio Gods?
2076. IdiotWind - 11/30/1999 11:28:20 PM
Jones: You are correct.
The "K" number placed after the title of Mozart's compositions refers to the 19th-century Austrian scholar Ludwig Kochel (pronounced kur-kel), who listed numerically all Mozart's works in what he believed to be the order of their composition.
According to a paperback bio I have, Dr. Kochel had access to the composer's personal record. The catalog opens (K1) with a harpsichord minuet that Mozart probably wrote in 1761, when he was not yet 6 years old. Last in the catelog is the unfinished Requium Mass (K626)
We just watched Ingmar Bergman's "The Magic Flute" on video last weekend. It was performed in Swedish with English subtitles. Terrible.
2077. Raskolnikov - 12/1/1999 12:07:07 AM
8 is Relax, by Frankie Goes to Hollywood
18 is Cult of Personality, by Living Color
23 Pour Some Sugar on Me by Def Leppard
2078. angel-five - 12/1/1999 12:56:32 AM
Jones gets half 4 and all 18. Mintcar gets 3. Raskolnikov gets 8 and 23. 1, 2, half 4, 5, 13, 19, and 2 and 4 extra credit
still need answered.
2079. wabbit - 12/1/1999 2:42:53 AM
#13 is "Fight For Your Right (To Paaaaaaarrrrrty)", Beastie Boys
#19 is "Valerie", Steve Winwood
xtra c, #2 is "Semi-Charmed Kind of Life", Third Eye Blind
#4 is "Trippin on a Hole in a Paper Heart", STP
2080. JonesAtLaw - 12/1/1999 2:56:51 AM
4 is The Crunge, Led Zepplin, Houses of the Holy
2081. wabbit - 12/1/1999 3:00:28 AM
#1, Pink Floyd?
#2, Rush?
2082. EricCartman - 12/1/1999 3:57:29 AM
Wish I'd gotten in here earlier. Some of these lyrics I was actually thinking of using for a quiz of my own. Weird.
#1 is "Not Now John" by Pink Floyd
#2 is "Natural Science" by Rush
#2 extra credit is "Semi-Charmed Life" by Third Eye Blind
2083. EricCartman - 12/1/1999 3:58:14 AM
Oops, CP wabbit
2084. EricCartman - 12/1/1999 4:00:32 AM
#5 is "Stone In Love" by Journey
2085. angel-five - 12/1/1999 2:51:44 PM
All correct.
1)Love of two is one
Here but now they're gone
Came the last night of sadness
And it was clear she couldn't go on
Then the door was open and the wind appeared
2)And even though I'm full of sin
In the end you'll let me in
You'll let me through, there's nothin' you can do
You need my lovin', don't you know it's true
So if you please get on your knees
There are no bills, there are no fees
Baby, I know what your problem is
The first step of the cure is a kiss
3)How can I just let you walk away
Just let you leave without a trace
When I stand here taking every breath with you
You're the only one who really knew me at all
How can you just walk away from me
When all I can do is watch you leave
'Cause we shared the laughter and the pain
And even shared the tears
You're the only one who really knew me at all
4)Well I'm an axegrinder
Piledriver
Mother says that I never never mind her
Got no brains
I'm insane
Teacher says that I'm one big pain
I'm like a laser
6-streamin' razor
I got a mouth like an alligator
I want it louder
More power
I'm gonna rock ya till it strikes the hour
5)You must have heard the cautionary tales
The dangers hidden on the cul-de-sac trails
From wiser men who have been through it all
And the ghosts of failures spray-canned up on the wall
6)Under the ruins of a walled city
Crumbling towers in beams of yellow light
No flags of truce, no cries of pity
The siege guns had been pounding all through the night
It took a day to build the city
We walked through its streets in the afternoon
2086. angel-five - 12/1/1999 2:52:50 PM
7)The wind blows hard against this mountain side,
across the sea into my soul
It reaches into where I cannot hide,
setting my feet upon the road
My heart is old, it holds my memories,
my body burns a gemlike flame
Somewhere between the soul and soft machine,
is where I find myself again
8)Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still
9)Oh the things that you say
Is it live or
Just to play my worries away
You're all the things I've got to remember
You're shying away
I'll be coming for you anyway
10)Look what you're doing to me
I'm utterly at your whim
All of my defenses down
Your camera looks through me
With its X-ray vision
And all systems run aground
All I can manage to push from my lips
Is a stream of absurdities
Every word I intended to speak
Wind up locked in the circuitry
11)He sat on the stony ground.
And he took a cigarette out.
And everyone else came down to listen.
He said in Winter 1963
It felt like the world would freeze,
With John F. Kennedy and the Beatles.
12)I never will forget those nights
I wonder if it was a dream
Remember how you made me crazy?
Remember how I made you scream
2087. angel-five - 12/1/1999 2:53:27 PM
13)The morning paper and the head-lines read
Danger to the queen
Buckingham Palace better tighten things up
The son of a bitch is mean.
14)Shoppin' at the mall looking for some gear to buy
I saw this girl she cool rocked my world and I had to adjust my fly
She looked at me and smiled and said "You have plans for the night"
I said "Hopefully if things go well I'll be with you tonight"
15)This coming and going
Is driving me nuts
This to-ing and fro-ing
Is hurting my guts
So get off the fence
It's creasing your butt
LIfe is a party
Let's get out and strut
16)My head is full of magic, baby,
And I can't share this with you.
The feel I'm on a cross again, lately,
But there's nothing to do with you.
17)Fly the great big sky
See the great big sea
Kick through continents
Bustin' boundaries
Take it hip to hip rocket through the wilderness
Around the world the trip begins with a kiss
18)Rich girls, they run after me
They break my heart,
you know I fall in love so easily
I always dug the color of your hair
I always loved the clothes you wear
I can't say that you turn me on
But why'd I stay all night long
19)I would swallow my pride
I would choke on the rind
But the lack thereof would leave me empty inside
I would swallow my doubt
Turn it inside out
Find nothing but faith in nothing
20)Grandfather watches the grandfather clock
and the phone hasn't rang for so long
and time flies by like a vulture in the sky
and suddenly he breaks into song
2088. OhioSTOPAS - 12/1/1999 3:08:49 PM
1. "Don't Fear the Reaper", Blue Oyster Cult
3. "Against All Odds", Phil Collins
12. "Boys of Summer", Don Henley
What is this, the 80's station?
2089. ChristinO - 12/1/1999 3:11:18 PM
Okay, I'll post invisibly for now.
1) Don't Fear the Reaper-----Blue Oyster Cult
3) Take a Look at Me Now-----Phil Collins
4) ???????????------Red Hot Chili Peppers
6) Fortress Aound Your Heart----Sting
8) Silent Running-----Mike & the Mechanics
9) Take On Me --------Ah-ha
11)Life in a Northern Town -----Dream Academy
12)Boys of Summer------Don Henley
17)Roam------------B52's
19)Inside Out--------Eve 6
end
2090. ChristinO - 12/1/1999 3:11:50 PM
Oh, good call on #3 Ohio, I got it wrong with a lyric as the title.
2091. Indiana Jones - 12/1/1999 3:12:07 PM
14. "Wild Thang," Ton Loc?
2092. ChristinO - 12/1/1999 3:13:11 PM
#16) is something by Love and Rockets
2093. Jenerator - 12/1/1999 3:13:46 PM
14) Funky Cold Medina
2094. 109109 - 12/1/1999 3:14:32 PM
6) Sting - ?
2095. ChristinO - 12/1/1999 3:15:39 PM
1) Don't Fear the Reaper-----Blue Oyster Cult
3) Take a Look at Me Now-----Phil Collins
4) ???????????------Red Hot Chili Peppers
6) Fortress Aound Your Heart----Sting
8) Silent Running-----Mike & the Mechanics
9) Take On Me --------Ah-ha
11)Life in a Northern Town -----Dream Academy
12)Boys of Summer------Don Henley
17)Roam------------B52's
19)Inside Out--------Eve 6
2096. ChristinO - 12/1/1999 3:22:09 PM
#16) So Alive-----Love & Rockets
2097. angel-five - 12/1/1999 3:35:35 PM
Ohio with 1, 3, and 12. Indiana Jones with 14. The Eighties Mistress with 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 16, 17, and 19.
2098. angel-five - 12/1/1999 3:38:40 PM
2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 13, 15, 18, and 20 are still up for grabs.
2099. angel-five - 12/1/1999 4:05:03 PM
Really Really Hard Bonus questions:
1)Hey Baby! Come over here! I want to borrow you for a while!
2) The car reverses over
the white cliffs of Dover
and into the sea
the sea of Rome
3)and I can tell just by the planet
and I can tell just by the style
I was born to raise your feelings
and I may be here a while --
4)I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well
5)Here I am
my anger and me
temper makes it
hard to see
this situation
I'm in again
everything must come to an end now
6) Gets into your system
when your guard is down
and becomes a ball
that you drag around
to every party
to every function
to give to people
with written instructions
don't try to get away
I'm here to stay
my name is your fate.
2100. EricCartman - 12/1/1999 4:11:21 PM
#4 is "Metal Health" by Quiet Riot
#20 is "Somebody to Shove" by Soul Asylum
#4 extra credit is "Sober" by Tool
2101. angel-five - 12/1/1999 4:27:24 PM
Yes, to all three.
2102. Raskolnikov - 12/1/1999 5:07:40 PM
13) Stranger in Town by Toto?
15) Mixed Emotions by the Stones
2103. angel-five - 12/1/1999 5:10:12 PM
Yes, and yes.
2104. angel-five - 12/1/1999 5:11:28 PM
2, 5, 7, 10, 18 and all but 4 bonus waiting.
2105. Dantheman - 12/1/1999 5:53:10 PM
#10 "Automatic" -- Pointer Sisters
2106. angel-five - 12/1/1999 6:15:52 PM
Yes.
2107. angel-five - 12/2/1999 4:28:46 PM
Hint to 2: There's a monstrous hint in the lyric itself.
Hint to 5: This guy is now suffering badly from deafness, I gather.
Hint to 7: There was an echo in the room when they came up with this band.
Hint to 18: This was a solo effort from a member of a well-known, VERY well-known Brit pop group. The album had a much more guitar-oriented feel to it.
2108. JonesAtLaw - 12/2/1999 6:05:09 PM
Someone tell me that No2 is not a KISS lyric, please!
2109. angel-five - 12/2/1999 9:20:18 PM
Jonze: Say it ain't so.
2) KISS: Calling Dr. Love
5) Pete Townshend: Face The Face
7) Mr. Mister : Kyrie
18) Andy Taylor: Take it Easy
2110. angel-five - 12/2/1999 9:29:37 PM
Bonus answers: (and, no, with the exception of the Tool lyric I didn't expect anyone to get these, I was just being a smartass)
1) (hold onto your hats)
'Planet Girl' by Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction
(a band which in every sense sucked, and I loved them anyway and will never understand why they didn't get huge at the end of the Eighties, ah, pearls before swine and all that)
2) 'Ostia' (The Death of Pasolini) by Coil
3)'Negasonic Teenage Warhead' by Monster Magnet
5)'All Wrong' by God Lives Underwater
6) 'Fait Accompli' by Curve
2111. angel-five - 12/2/1999 9:31:42 PM
Actually, my bad, that was 'Back Seat Education', not 'Planet Girl'.
2112. EricCartman - 12/2/1999 10:02:42 PM
I like these lyric quizzes, A5. Keep it up. I'll have to comb through my CDs for some stuff to stump folks as well.
Plus as a Rush fan I needed an excuse to get post #2112 anyway.
2113. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 1:47:18 AM
Shameless ripp off lyrics quiz
1. If you had a dollar and I had a dime,
I wonder could I borrow yours
as easy as you could mine?
2. And you know that you're over the hill
when your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill.
3. Sunset doesn't last all evening
a mind can blow those clouds away
after all this my love is up and must be leaving
its not always been this grey.
4. And all the leaves on the trees are falling
to the sound of the breezes that blow
and I'm to please to the calling
of your heart-strings that play soft and low
And all the night's magic seems to whisper and hush
and all the soft moonlight seems to shine in your blush.
5. This old engine makes it on time
leave central station at a quarter to nine
hit trouble junction at seveteent to
at a quarter to ten its travelin' again.
6. Pipes and chains and swingin' hands
Who's your Daddy? Yes I am
Fat Cat came to play
Now he can't run fast enough
You had best stay away
when the pushers come to shove.
7. I believe, I believe my time ain't long
I believe, I believe my time ain't long
I ain't gonna leave my baby
and bust up my happy home.
2114. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 1:47:31 AM
8. Psychic spies from China
try to steal your mind's elation
Little girls from Sweeden
dream of silver screen quotations
and if you want these kind of dreams...
9. It the same old thing since 1916,
in your head,
in your head they're still fightin'
with their tanks
in your head they are dyin'...
10. ...don't know if I'm coming up or down
never happy or in misery,
whatever it is
that girl put a spell on me.
bonus questions
A. After the prom,
and I ain't got no scumbag
Saran Wrap!
B. I am gross and preverted
I am obsessed and derranged
I have existed for years
but very little has changed
I'm the tool of the government and industry too
but I am destined to rule and regulate you.
I may be vile and pernicious
but you can't look away
I make you think I delicious
with the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
have you guessed me yet
2115. angel-five - 12/3/1999 2:07:10 AM
Thanks, Cartman, but I think I'm lyric'd out for the while.
The Return of the Dreaded Common Thread Quiz
1)dragon, button, bar
2)circle, district, central
3)free, circuit, easy
4)lost, open, minor
5)flat, fly, flag
6)Stuart, Lee, Pershing (besides the obvious)
7)Knight, Victoria, Iron
8)James Joyce, James Dickey, Ayn Rand (aside from the obvious)
9)tongue, eye, heel
10)air, war, state
11)mercury, Jesus, bread
12)liberty, barber, mercury
13)mine, left, force
14)yard, head, meal
15)tea, black, dog
16)stick, night, split
17)sun, cloud, ground
18)monkey, dog, cock
19)Hannibal, Rommel, Boudicca (besides the obvious)
20)hand, house, division
21)eraser, tiebreaker, boot
22)criminal, stocking, jury
23)human, relay, rat
24)coat, bow, fall
2116. angel-five - 12/3/1999 2:08:09 AM
whoops! I left this on the screen for a while while I was working and missed Jonzey's quiz. His goes first, obviously.
2117. angel-five - 12/3/1999 2:09:50 AM
9) Zombie by the Cranberries
10) Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix
2118. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 2:14:40 AM
A5- correct on both counts.
PS I was afraid that I was going to do the same thing as you when I posted.
2119. ee - 12/3/1999 2:20:06 AM
#5 Casey Jones/The Dead
2120. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 2:20:53 AM
ee, right!
2121. ee - 12/3/1999 2:22:39 AM
a-5 quiz
#11 things that roase
2122. ee - 12/3/1999 2:23:55 AM
a-5 quiz
#11 things that roase
2123. ee - 12/3/1999 2:29:01 AM
22.Hang
23.race
24.Rain
2124. CalGal - 12/3/1999 2:32:28 AM
2. Old Folks Boogie, but I don't know who did it. Some obscure band. Not Little River, but something like that.
5. Casey Jones, Grateful Dead.
8. Californication, Red Hot Chili Peppers
2125. CalGal - 12/3/1999 2:35:14 AM
Oops, didn't see ee's response.
2126. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 2:36:31 AM
CalGal- Old Folks Boogie it is, by Little Feat.
Californication is correct
as is Casey Jones, but ee beat you to that one.
2127. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 2:38:27 AM
ee, you're a cheaterhead, you're going on to A5's fine quiz, which I have not answered because A5 was so gracious as to let mine go first, and besides, you are getting ones that I could have answered leaving me with the ones that are stumping me.
2128. EricCartman - 12/3/1999 3:16:44 AM
B is "I'm the Slime" (on your TV set) by Frank Zappa
2129. EricCartman - 12/3/1999 3:21:29 AM
A5's quiz #12 is old American coins (liberty half-dollar, barber nickel, mercury dime)
#13 is field (mine, left, force)
2130. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 3:26:21 AM
Cartman- Yes! That was really the less obscure of the bonus, I will be impressed if someone comes up with the other.
2131. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 3:27:54 AM
That's it! I'm joining in on A5's while I stil have a chance.
10. -craft
16 shifts
2132. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 3:30:16 AM
a5's
7 crosses
2133. EricCartman - 12/3/1999 3:40:35 AM
Jonesy:
I don't know what A is on your bonus round, but it sounds suspiciously like Ramones. I'd have to see a reference to "Coney Island Whitefish" to be sure. Even then, it could be Aerosmith.
2134. angel-five - 12/3/1999 3:51:31 AM
EE with 11 (rise, EE, things that rise) 22, 23, and 24. Cartman with 7, 12 (actually, they're all dimes) and 13. The honorable, the fair, the nice-guy-finishing-last Jonze gets 10 and 16.
2135. SnowOwl - 12/3/1999 5:18:08 AM
a-5
1. fly
2. lines (London Underground)
3. rider
4. chord
6. tanks
9. shoe
14. bone
2136. SnowOwl - 12/3/1999 5:38:45 AM
19 All committed suicide
2137. angel-five - 12/3/1999 6:55:57 AM
Yes, all correct. They were all American tanks which saw combat in WWII and all three committed suicide by poison.
25)saber, house, finger
26)pan, lead, booster
27)mirrors, ladders, salt
28)market, fall, energy
29)flag, tad, lodge
30)beef, fish, yellow
31)green, black, red (this one is tough)
32)Arkansas, Georgia, Pennsylvania (tougher)
2138. joezan - 12/3/1999 6:58:34 AM
Jones's #4 is Moondance by Van Morrison.
2139. OhioSTOPAS - 12/3/1999 7:53:57 AM
27 is things involved in superstitions.
2140. AceofSpades - 12/3/1999 8:18:01 AM
31)green, black, red (this one is tough) -- colors of a roulette wheel & Table (& numbers)
2141. Indiana Jones - 12/3/1999 8:29:08 AM
28. free____
29. ____pole
2142. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 10:13:47 AM
Joezan- correct!
2143. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 1:22:01 PM
Remaining lyrics and hints
1. If you had a dollar and I had a dime,
I wonder could I borrow yours
as easy as you could mine?
You'd better THINK about this one
3. Sunset doesn't last all evening
a mind can blow those clouds away
after all this my love is up and must be leaving
its not always been this grey.
garden gnomes on the album cover
6. Pipes and chains and swingin' hands
Who's your Daddy? Yes I am
Fat Cat came to play
Now he can't run fast enough
You had best stay away
when the pushers come to shove.
jitterbug everybody!
7. I believe, I believe my time ain't long
I believe, I believe my time ain't long
I ain't gonna leave my baby
and bust up my happy home.
old and dusty
2144. mintcar - 12/3/1999 1:29:17 PM
#6 is "Zoot Suit Riot", by Cherry Poppin' Daddies.
2145. JonesAtLaw - 12/3/1999 1:32:09 PM
Mintcar- right!
BTW, with that handle- what do you drive (or pamper)?
2146. angel-five - 12/3/1999 3:00:10 PM
27, 28, 29 correctly answered. Ace's answer isn't the one I had in mind, so he gets a cookie and provisional credit until someone else answers it correctly. 5, 8, 15, 17, 18, 20, 21, 25, 26, 30, 31, and 32 need answered.
2147. Dantheman - 12/3/1999 3:05:46 PM
A-5
#15 biscuits?
#18 years in Chinese calendar?
2148. angel-five - 12/3/1999 3:09:47 PM
18 is right. What's a black biscuit?
2149. Dantheman - 12/3/1999 3:13:06 PM
A-5,
Not sure, but the others fit and I thought it could have been some type of British food (many of which have equally silly names, like castle pudding and blancmange).
2150. angel-five - 12/3/1999 3:18:09 PM
Yes, actually, when you said it I was thinking 'must be some vile Brit concoction'. But no dice.
2151. mintcar - 12/3/1999 3:59:38 PM
JonesAtLaw:
I'm a student, so I don't yet own a car. Perhaps next year I'll get one when I switch from accumulating human capital to accumulating the real thing.
My handle is actually a song title, which kind of fits with the quiz. I'm sure somebody knows who the song's by?
2152. angel-five - 12/3/1999 4:00:19 PM
The Cure.
2153. Angel-Five - 12/11/1999 5:18:34 PM
Answers:
1)dragon, button, bar -- All are types of fly
2)circle, district, central --lines in the London Underground
3)free, circuit, easy --kinds of 'rider'
4)lost, open, minor -- chords
5)flat, fly, flag --pass patterns in American football
6)Stuart, Lee, Pershing (besides the obvious) --WWII american tanks
7)Knight, Victoria, Iron --kinds of cross award
8)James Joyce, James Dickey, Ayn Rand (aside from the obvious) --all were born on February 2nd
9)tongue, eye, heel --shoe parts
10)air, war, state -- *craft
11)mercury, Jesus, bread --things that rise
12)liberty, barber, mercury --kinds of dime
13)mine, left, force -- *field
14)yard, head, meal --bone*
15)tea, black, dog -- roses
16)stick, night, split --shifts
17)sun, cloud, ground --*burst
18)monkey, dog, cock -- Chinese years
19)Hannibal, Rommel, Boudicca (besides the obvious) -- all drank poison
20)hand, house, division --long*
21)eraser, tiebreaker, boot --all can be called 'rubbers'
22)criminal, stocking, jury --things you hang
23)human, relay, rat --kinds of race
24)coat, bow, fall --rain*
25)saber, house, finger --things that can be light
26)pan, lead, booster --kinds of shot
27)mirrors, ladders, salt --things associated with bad luck
28)market, fall, energy --free*
29)flag, tad, lodge --*pole
30)beef, fish, yellow --kinds of 'cake' ('yellowcake' is a natural uranium ore)
31)green, black, red (this one is tough) --I know this is cheesy. They're three of the knights Beaumains defeats on his mission to gain his knighthood as Sir Gareth.
32)Arkansas, Georgia, Pennsylvania (tougher) Their state abbreviationsdouble as element symbols.
2154. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 5:34:25 PM
I like those lyric quizzes. Here's my shot at it:
2155. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 5:36:42 PM
2156. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 5:37:37 PM
2157. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 5:40:27 PM
Bonus round (these are pretty tough, but not terribly obscure)
2158. Indiana Jones - 12/12/1999 5:42:41 PM
#1 is Jimi Hendrix, but I can't remember the song, "Voodoo Child?"
2159. Indiana Jones - 12/12/1999 5:46:04 PM
3. Bungle in the Jungle? Don't know the group
6. Sound of Silence, Simon & Garfunkel
21. INXS, Devil Inside
2160. angel-five - 12/12/1999 5:58:22 PM
1 Voodoo Child by Jimi
3) The Lion Sleeps Tonight?
4)Bullet the Blue Sky by U2
6)Spirit of Radio by Rush
8) Megadeth, I canb't remember the name of the song
9) Welcome to the Machine by Floyd
17) The Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin
20) Everything Zen by Bush
21) Devil Inside INXS
1) Extended version of Empty Spaces by Pink Floyd (is it called 'What Shall We Do?')
2161. angel-five - 12/12/1999 6:00:45 PM
Peace Sells is the name of the tune.
2162. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 6:12:24 PM
Indiana got 1, 21, and half of 3.
Angel-five got 4, 6, 8, 9, 17, 20 and #1 bonus ("What Shall We Do Now?", appended to "Empty Spaces" in the movie version of The Wall)
2, 5, 7, 10-16, 18 & 19, and bonus 2-5 are left.
2163. alistairConnor - 12/12/1999 6:31:25 PM
No. 5 is Elvis Costello. The sun struggles up, another beautiful day.
Bonus 3 is Frank Zappa, Why does it hurt when I pee?
2164. Indiana Jones - 12/12/1999 6:31:38 PM
Ugh, I quit reading number 6. How embarrassing.
2165. alistairConnor - 12/12/1999 6:32:58 PM
No. 10 is David Bowie - Young Americans (Ha! see the sports thread... I heard the news today oh boy)
2166. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 7:15:47 PM
Connor:
Correct on #5 ("The Other Side of Summer"), #10, and the FZ in bonus #3.
2167. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 8:49:14 PM
Remaining lyrics from quiz:
2. I got to have a shot of what you got is oh so sweet.
You got to make it hot, like a boomerang I need a repeat
7. The candy store paupers lie to the share holders
They're crossing their fingers they pay the truth makers
The balance sheet is breaking up the sky
So I'm caught at the junction still waiting for medicine
The sweat of my brow keeps on feeding the engine
Hope the crumbs in my pocket can keep me for another night
11. My mother was of the sky
My father was of the earth
But I am of the universe
And you know what it’s worth
12. Clean as a whistle
Smellin' like a rose
She got no dirty little fingers
Bloodshot eyes are gone
Tell me I’m wrong
13. So much for the golden future, I can't even start
I've had every promise broken, there's anger in my heart
You don't know what it's like, you don't have a clue
If you did you'd find yourselves doing the same thing too
14. I was bitten by a boar
I was gouged and I was gored
But I pulled on through
Yes, I am a sack of broken eggs
I always have an unmade bed
Don't you?
Well, I hope we're not too messianic
Or a trifle too satanic
We love to play the blues
15. Out here in the fields I fight for my meals
I get my back into my living
I don't need to fight to prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven
16. Another dark and empty night
If I was wrong I wanna make it right
But you are so distant, so far away
Your words like ice fall on the ground
Breaking the silence without a sound
Oh familiar strangers with nothing to say
Searching in the darkness
Fading out of sight
Love was here and gone like a thief in the night...
2168. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 8:50:17 PM
18. Bring a song and a smile for the banjo, better get while the gettin's good
Hitch a ride to the end of the highway where the neons turn to wood.
….
You can ponder perpetual motion, fix your mind on a crystal day,
Always time for a good conversation, there's an ear for what you say.
19. The bigger the cushion the sweeter the pushin’, that's what I said.
The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand, or so I have read.
My baby fits me like a flesh tuxedo. I like to sink her with my pink torpedo.
Bonus:
2. He lives his life, he's living it fast
Don't try to hide when the die has been cast
He rides a whirlwind, that cuts to the bone
Wasted forever, ferociously stoned
4. And all the people that you know
Will turn their heads as you go by
But you’ll be hard to recognize
With the top down and the wind blowin’, blowin’
5. All you know about me is what I've sold you, dumbfuck.
I sold out long before you’d ever even heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit, and then you bought one.
All you read and wear or see and hear on TV
Is a product begging for your fat ass dirty dollar
So shut up and buy, buy, buy my new record
Buy, buy, buy, send more money
Fuck you buddy
2169. AceofSpades - 12/12/1999 9:31:35 PM
19 is big bottom by spinal tap, obviously.
2170. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 9:42:03 PM
Ace:
Yep. I figured that one would go in the first few minutes.
2171. jonesatlaw - 12/12/1999 10:27:40 PM
15 is Teenage Wasteland/Baba O'Reilly by the Who; 14 is the Rolling Stones, ?;
2172. arkymalarky - 12/12/1999 10:29:21 PM
11 is from the Beatles' White Album, not sure of the name of the song. 18 is from CCR, but can't remember the name of that song, either. I need to wipe the dust off my record collection and spin some wax. I'm forgetting everything (not the CCR, though--I never owned one of theirs).
2173. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 10:38:05 PM
Jones Message # 2171:
Correct on #15, half credit on #14. Clue for #14 -- it's in "Goodfellas".
Arky Message # 2172:
Correct on #11 and #18. I'll wait a while, see if you can come up with the titles.
What are these "record" and "wax" things you speak of? They had something before CDs?
Seriously, I should try to shop some of my Mobile Fidelity records on eBay sometime, now that MF has gone out of business.
2174. 109109 - 12/12/1999 10:39:46 PM
14
I'm A Monkey
2175. 109109 - 12/12/1999 10:41:18 PM
19 Sex Farm Woman - Spinal Tap
2176. CalGal - 12/12/1999 10:45:03 PM
11. Across the Universe is the name, I think.
2177. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 11:09:34 PM
Niner:
"Monkey Man", actually. Ace already got the Spinal Tap one --"Big Bottom".
Cal:
It's a Beatles song, but it's not "Across the Universe".
2178. AceofSpades - 12/12/1999 11:11:08 PM
11 is "Yes I'm lonely, Wanna Die."
2179. AceofSpades - 12/12/1999 11:12:22 PM
...which isn't really the title.
It's on the White Album. It's the second or third song.
2180. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/12/1999 11:15:08 PM
3. is "Bungle in the Jungle" by Jethro Tull
18. is "Up around the Bend" (CCR)
I'm only good for half-point answers.
2181. AceofSpades - 12/12/1999 11:16:41 PM
It's like "Earth Mother BLues" or some bullshit.
2182. AceofSpades - 12/12/1999 11:21:49 PM
It also features the line, "I've got blisters on me fingers."
Jesus, it's annoying that I can't think of it.
2183. CalGal - 12/12/1999 11:22:51 PM
Oh, it's Yer Blues or something like that. I remember now. I had the other song on my brain--that one isn't even from the White Album.
2184. EricCartman - 12/12/1999 11:23:16 PM
Ace:
Close. It's "Yer Blues".
Irv:
Correct on both.
OK, let's see -- 2, 7, 12, 13, 16, and 2, 4, and 5 bonus remain. The five non-bonus questions were all at least modest hits; none of 'em are obscure or anything. The bonus questions aren't terribly obscure either, but aren't radio tracks.
2185. EricCartman - 12/14/1999 5:00:19 PM
Remaining Lyric Quiz Answers:
#2 was "Gimme All Your Lovin'" by ZZ Top
#7 was "Blue Sky Mine" by Midnight Oil
#12 was "Twice As Hard" by the Black Crowes
#13 was "Breaking the Law" by Judas Priest
#16 was "Stone Cold" by Rainbow
Bonus Answers:
#2 was "Iron Horse/Born to Lose" by Motörhead
#4 was "Not the Girl You Think You Are" by Crowded House
#5 was "Hooker With a Penis" by Tool
2186. Indiana Jones - 12/14/1999 5:01:45 PM
No offense, but how about a different kind of quiz next go around?
2187. Raskolnikov - 12/14/1999 5:13:02 PM
"I got blisters on me fingers" is the closing lyric to Helter Skelter.
2188. EricCartman - 12/14/1999 5:27:53 PM
Indy:
I agree. We haven't had a real "conventional" quiz (i.e., "What is the capital of Somalia?") in quite a while. A good meat-and-potatoes fact quiz would be cool. Irv's always got good ones along those lines.
2189. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/14/1999 9:53:31 PM
Good idea. Here's a simple one for you.
Btw, the capital of Somalia is Mogadishu.
World Affairs Quiz
1. GW Bush couldn't answer these. Perhaps you can...
Name the leaders of these nations:
a) India
b) Pakistan ("General" is not an acceptable answer, even if that's what you call him)
c) Taiwan (full name, please)
2. What is the capital of the world's newest independent nation? Bonus: what are the two official names for this new nation?
3. Name two nations which have had elections in the past month. Name three more which have had elections this year.
I'll keep this one short. If these kinds of questions are popular, there are more to come..
2190. RickNelson - 12/14/1999 10:00:36 PM
2. Dili
E.Timor and .
2191. RickNelson - 12/14/1999 10:03:03 PM
3. New Zealand and Malaysia
Indonesia,. .
2192. EricCartman - 12/14/1999 10:04:02 PM
1. a. Ajay? Something like that
b. Pervez(sp) Musharraf
c. Lee Teng-hui
What was the other one Bush drew a blank on? Chechnya? Aslan Maskhadov, right?
2. Dili/East Timor (don't know the alternate name)
2193. CalGal - 12/14/1999 10:07:02 PM
3. Rick nabbed New Zealand; I forgot about Malaysia. This year, we had Indonesia and Israel fer sure.
2194. angel-five - 12/14/1999 10:07:36 PM
1)Narayanan (President)
Musharraf (Chief Executive or something like that?)
Lee Teng Hui
Indonesia, the US, and New Zealand have all had elections this year.
2195. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/14/1999 10:31:55 PM
Interesting answers.
1.
a) Nobody has got this yet, but Cartman is on the right track.
b) Cartman got it first
c) Cartman was first again
Yes, Chechnya was the other one Bush whiffed on. I didn’t include it here because it was not a real nation, but I’m awarding special bonus points for Cartman.
2. Rick nabbed it (Dili), but no one has gotten either of the bonus answers. The country does not plan to use the English and colonial-tinted "East Timor." It is still deciding between two other names: Timor Lorosae (from Tetun) and Timor Leste (from Portuguese).
3. I was specifically thinking of NZ and Malaysia for the past month, though there are others -- Namibia, for one. For this year, I was thinking of Israel, Indonesia and South Africa, though there are certainly others as well. I was thinking of general elections, which would rule out the US, though I didn't state it.
So points go to Rick and CalGal.
2196. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/14/1999 11:05:44 PM
Nobody knows the current Prime Minister of India?
I'm shocked. Shocked! This is appalling! Sad, very sad, this ignorance in the USA.
The answer, of course, is Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee,
I know the answer because I looked it up. I had no idea, either.
2197. hashke - 12/15/1999 12:59:14 AM
I didn't know it atal.
2198. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 1:00:42 AM
Here's another quiz, of a different sort.
The following pairs of places share the same name (although occasionally one may have "New" appended to the name). The first in each pair is in the new world, the second in the old world. Identify the place names.
Same Name Quiz
1. Massacusetts city - town in Lincolnshire
2. City in Nebraska - town near Sussex battle-site
3. Cities in Ontario and Texas - major city in France
4. City in Maine - city in North Wales
5. Cities in New York and Minnesota - city in Kent
6. Cities in Ontario and Connecticut - English metropolis
7. State/city name and counties in Ontario and Pennsylvania -city and county in Northern England
8. Seaport in Massachusetts and city in New Jersey - city and county in Western England
9. Town in Ontario and city in Australia - Scottish county seat
10. City in Illinois - city in Egypt
2199. CalGal - 12/15/1999 1:02:24 AM
10. Cairo
2200. CalGal - 12/15/1999 1:03:55 AM
9. Brisbane?
2201. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 1:08:00 AM
Cal:
10 is correct. Try again on 9.
2202. CalGal - 12/15/1999 1:13:22 AM
4. Newport
2203. CalGal - 12/15/1999 1:15:46 AM
6. Well, there's an Erie PA and I think there is an Erie in Ontario. Dunno about England.
2204. CalGal - 12/15/1999 1:17:10 AM
Oh, wait. I combined the first part of 6 with the second part of 7. Jeez, Irv, separate duplicates next time!
2205. EricCartman - 12/15/1999 1:23:44 AM
4. Newport is in South Wales. But there's a Bangor in North Wales.
2206. EricCartman - 12/15/1999 1:26:37 AM
1. Boston?
3. Paris
2207. CalGal - 12/15/1999 1:29:16 AM
My god. They split up Wales into two parts? Is it big enough to warrant such a necessity? What is it--50 people in the North and 125 in the South?
2208. Raskolnikov - 12/15/1999 1:41:47 AM
1. Massacusetts city - town in Lincolnshire
Worcester?
3. Cities in Ontario and Texas - major city in France
Paris
4. City in Maine - city in North Wales
Cywyvwm
5. Cities in New York and Minnesota - city in Kent
Rochester
6. Cities in Ontario and Connecticut - English metropolis
London
7. State/city name and counties in Ontario and Pennsylvania - city and county in Northern England
York (new)
8. Seaport in Massachusetts and city in New Jersey -city and county in Western England
dunno.
9. Town in Ontario and city in Australia - Scottish county seat
dunno.
10. City in Illinois - city in Egypt
Cairo
2209. EricCartman - 12/15/1999 1:50:35 AM
Cal:
I'm not sure why, but they do make the distinction between North and South Wales there, it's all over the road signs. The South is more industrialized, and most of the North is taken up by the Snowdonia National Forest. I don't know if one is more dominated by ethnic Welsh than the other or what. I know the North is far more beautiful.
2210. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 3:40:33 AM
You guys are making this much tougher than it is.
1. Massacusetts city - town in Lincolnshire Boston (Cartman)
3. Cities in Ontario and Texas - major city in France Paris (Cartman)
4. City in Maine - city in North Wales Bangor (Cartman)
5. Cities in New York and Minnesota -city in Kent Rochester (Rask)
6. Cities in Ontario and Connecticut -English metropolis (New) London (Rask)
7. State/city name and counties in Ontario and Pennsylvania - city and county in Northern England (New) York (Rask)
10. City in Illinois - city in Egypt Cairo (CalGal)
That leaves the following:
2. City in Nebraska - town near Sussex battle-site Hint: 1066
8. Seaport in Massachusetts and city in New Jersey - city and county in Western England Hint: whaling
9. Town in Ontario and city in Australia - Scottish county seat Hint: I've been to the Australian one this year
2211. CalGal - 12/15/1999 3:47:43 AM
2. Hastings
2212. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 4:04:51 AM
2 is correct. There's also a town called Hastings in New Zealand, but I thought that would give it away.
2213. CalGal - 12/15/1999 4:15:32 AM
Well, of course. Us Yanks are far more familiar with New Zealand towns than....oh, wait. We don't know all that much about world-altering battles, either.
Never mind.
Is 9 Sydney?
2214. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 4:20:25 AM
Not Sydney.
Well, I'd bet that the Yanks in the Mote know more about NZ than your average Yanks, especially since we have three and a half Kiwis in the Mote.
2215. Dantheman - 12/15/1999 10:15:32 AM
8. Gloucester
2216. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 10:49:46 AM
Dan:
Correct on 8.
That just leaves 9, which I thought would be an easy one. Where are all our Antipodeans?
2217. PelleNilsson - 12/15/1999 2:17:56 PM
9 --- Perth
2218. EricCartman - 12/15/1999 4:23:00 PM
Attention per favore -- Spreads are now up in the Pool Thread. Get 'em while they're hot!
Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
2219. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 8:27:47 PM
Pelle:
Correct on 9. That concludes the quiz.
2220. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 8:30:05 PM
Pelle:
Correct on 9. That concludes the quiz.
2221. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 9:37:44 PM
Things are slow around here. Let's try another quiz. This one is a little more difficult.
General Knowledge Quiz
1. What was the name of the tyrannical Austrian (bailiff of the canton of Uri) whom William Tell is supposed to have defied?
2. In "kith and kin" — what are "kith"?
3. What's particularly unusual about the number you get when you divide 999999 by seven?
4. What is the Capitoline?
5. What, respectively, are a male and a female swan called?
6. By what name was John Sidney Blythe long internationally famous?
7. What's a Keeler polygraph popularly called?
8. For what is Jean Nicot, Sieur de Villemain, remembered?
9. What name is popularly applied to a baby's fontanelle?
10. What is "aqua regia"?
2222. CalGal - 12/15/1999 9:53:50 PM
5. Male is the cob
2223. angel-five - 12/15/1999 9:54:46 PM
Who said that?
1)When a banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where
the money is.
2)The word good has many meanings. For example, if a man were to shoot his grandmother at a range of five hundred yards, I should call him a good shot, but not necessarily a good man.
3)There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly
what the universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another which states that this has already happened.
4)I could not believe in a god that could not dance.
5)Our leaders are low-rent Fascists and our laws are a tangle of mockeries. Recent polls indicate that the only people who feel optimistic about the future are first-year law students who expect to get rich by haggling over the ruins... and they are probably right.
6)Quoting: the act of repeating erroneously the words of another.
7)Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.
8)Ninety percent of everything is crap.
9)Man is certainly stark mad. He cannot even make a worm, and yet he
will be making gods by the dozens.
10)The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by
those who have not got it.
2224. SnowOwl - 12/15/1999 9:54:52 PM
1, Landberger Gessler
5. male is cob.....female, not sure, maybe hen
9. soft spot
2225. CalGal - 12/15/1999 9:58:02 PM
6. That's one of the Barrymores, so I'll guess John
2226. angel-five - 12/15/1999 9:59:42 PM
4) A hill in Rome
10) Used to determine false from true gold
2227. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:00:22 PM
8) nicotine
2228. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:00:50 PM
7) a lie detector
2229. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:01:27 PM
2. Kith are friends and neighbors?
2230. SnowOwl - 12/15/1999 10:02:23 PM
3. If you multiply the answer by any number from 1 to 6 the result is a rotation of the digits which make up the answer.
2231. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 10:02:40 PM
I see we have two quizzes going. For my quiz, here is the update on answers so far:
1. SnowOwl (Gessler)
5. CalGal gets half for cob. SnowOwl needs to change one letter for the female.
6. CalGal (John Barrymore)
9. SnowOwl (soft spot)
2232. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:05:17 PM
Yeah, Ving, I sort of walked on your quiz there.
2233. SnowOwl - 12/15/1999 10:05:35 PM
5. oops, pen
2234. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:06:45 PM
6. Is a female swan a hen or a pen?
2235. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:07:27 PM
On A5's quiz:
8) Theodore Sturgeon
2236. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:08:09 PM
3) Douglas Adams
2237. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:09:16 PM
Yes to both, CalGal.
2238. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:10:23 PM
10) GB Shaw
2239. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:11:14 PM
Irvine: I think 'kith' means 'kin'.
2240. SnowOwl - 12/15/1999 10:11:24 PM
A5..
7. (I'm guessing) L Ron Hubbard
2241. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:12:38 PM
7) L. Ron Hubbard, who did exactly that.
2242. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:12:56 PM
You're both right.
2243. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 10:13:22 PM
2. CalGal (friends and acquaintances)
3. SnowOwl (cool, huh?)
4. A5 (one of Rome's 7 hills)
7. A5 (lie detector)
8. A5 (nicotine, and the plant nicotiana)
10. A5 (a substance which will dissolve gold)
And that concludes my quiz. Well done.
2245. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 10:27:45 PM
Oh yes, The female swan is a pen, and SnowOwl was first with the answer.
2246. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:27:55 PM
2) I'm going to guess Chesterton, in part because there's always a Chesterton entry on any quote quiz, and this is the most likely candidate.
2247. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 10:34:16 PM
I have another General Knowledge quiz, for when we finish (or get completely stumped on) A5's quiz.
2248. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:36:52 PM
Chesterton is correct.
Irv -- Hey, I posted on yours, post on mine. I've gotta get in the habit of checking before I post quizzes, because that's twice now I've done that.
2249. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:39:21 PM
Well, that's all I can get on A5s, so I'm up for a new quiz.
2250. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 10:43:07 PM
Well, mine will probably go quickly, and yours will take longer. With quotations, you either know them or you don't (and Cal already nabbed the only one I knew).
2251. mintcar - 12/15/1999 10:44:42 PM
6.) Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
2252. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:47:03 PM
6 is correct.
2253. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 10:53:08 PM
Another General Knowledge Quiz
1. An old unit of length, one-third of an inch, was called a—what?
2. Part of the boundary between what two nations whas settled by the Webster-Ashburton treaty?
3. Dante was the greatest Italian poet. Dante—who?
4. What's a saltire?
5. Who ferried the dead across the river Styx?
6. Who was the most famous of Mary Ball's six children?
7. Who ruled Judea at the time of Christ's death—Herod Archelaus, Herod Antipas, Herod Philip, Herod Agrippa I, Herod the Great, or Herodias?
8. The first transatlantic flight (May 1919) was made in what Curtis flying boat?
9. What adjective applies most commonly to substances that absorb moisture from the air (even to the point of dissolving in it)?
10. Who were called moujiks (muzhiks, etc.)?
2254. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:55:41 PM
Dante Alighieri (sp?)
2255. CalGal - 12/15/1999 10:56:05 PM
5. Charon
2256. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:56:09 PM
5)Charon
2257. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:56:42 PM
9)dessicants
2258. angel-five - 12/15/1999 10:57:28 PM
2) US/Canada?
2259. CalGal - 12/15/1999 11:03:32 PM
7. Well, Herod the Great was the king when he was born, and Herod Agrippa was the guy in I, Claudius, and I don't recognize the Antipas or Archelaus names. Herodias was a chick. What does that leave? Philip?
2260. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 11:04:21 PM
2. A5 (the border of Maine, specifically)
3. A5 (and spelled correctly, to boot)
5. CalGal (by 4 seconds)
9. Close, A5, but not quite. The correct word sounds similar, but isn't related etymologically.
2261. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 11:07:58 PM
7. CalGal... try one of the names you don't recognize.
2262. angel-five - 12/15/1999 11:09:17 PM
Dessicatives?
2263. alistairConnor - 12/15/1999 11:18:31 PM
9. deliquescent. You're looking for an adjective.
2264. CalGal - 12/15/1999 11:21:01 PM
Oh, good. Quiz is still open (the ISP line I was on went down).
6. Spawn gets credit for this one--George Washington
7. Well, I'll try Antipas
2265. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 11:23:48 PM
Try basing it on Latin liquere "to be fluid"
2266. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 11:26:00 PM
6. Spawn (Mary was George's father's second wife)
7. Cal (Antipas was the uncle and second husband of Herodias, mother of Salome)
9. Alistair (from Latin liquere "to be fluid")
2267. CalGal - 12/15/1999 11:26:48 PM
8. You are thinking of Alcock and Whitten? You want the name of their plane, or is there someone else who was first that I missed?
2268. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 11:28:58 PM
That leaves the following:
1. An old unit of length, one-third of an inch, was called a—what?
4. What's a saltire?
8. The first transatlantic flight (May 1919) was made in what Curtis flying boat?
10. Who were called moujiks (muzhiks, etc.)?
2269. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 11:31:17 PM
Rats, I thought I'd caught 2265 before it went out.
Posting is sure slooow today.
2270. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/15/1999 11:32:44 PM
8. The flight I'm thinking of was a month before Alcock and Brown, who made the first non-stop flight.
2271. CalGal - 12/15/1999 11:34:31 PM
Oh, his name is Whitten Brown, I keep forgetting. And that clears up my confusion, because I could have sworn it was June when they made the crossing.
On the downside, I'm stumped. No clue on that one.
2272. SnowOwl - 12/16/1999 12:02:52 AM
1. a barleycorn
2273. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 12:20:53 AM
1. SnowOwl (barleycorn)
2274. cmboyce - 12/16/1999 12:27:51 AM
A saltire is a cross arranged as an "X", as in the cross St. Andrew (and others, I believe) was crucified on, which accordingly appears in the flag of Scotland (blue w white "x", or argent a saltire azure) and as the white diagonals in the Union Jack.
2275. cmboyce - 12/16/1999 12:28:55 AM
Are moujiks not serfs, in Russia? (I just got here and someone may have already tried this.)
2276. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 2:09:16 AM
cm:
Correct on both. It's sure nice to see you around again. Where have you been? You've been sorely missed.
2277. PelleNilsson - 12/16/1999 2:23:20 AM
The Economist's Christmas Quiz.
2278. stostosto - 12/16/1999 4:49:18 AM
Can anyone explain the thrill of a kiss?
2279. angel-five - 12/16/1999 5:30:13 AM
Humans like doing things with their mouths. Lots of sensitive nerve endings, it's arguably an erogenous zone, and if you believe Desmond Morris, it's evolutionarily important for humans to mate facing each other (don't know about that personally, I can imagine instances where you'd think the opposite would be preferable). An inherited tendency to smooch would facilitate that; smooching being pleasurable woould facilitate the likelihood that any such tendency would be inherited.
Perhaps it's something that is inversely related to the likelihood, within one's society, that one will end up with a potential kissing partner who habitually eats, say, herring.
2280. AceofSpades - 12/16/1999 7:24:58 AM
Nonsense. The entire point of kissing is an evolution-driven instinct to judge the health of a possible mate by checking out the bacteria level in the potential mate's mouth.
Bad breath drives you away.
2282. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 8:53:54 AM
Pelle:
Your link only works for subscribers of the Economist.
All:
The last answer to my quiz above is:
8. The NC-4. Commander Albert C. Read, and a crew of 5.
2283. PelleNilsson - 12/16/1999 9:09:49 AM
Irv
Too bad. It was listed as "free" but this has happened before.
2284. stostosto - 12/16/1999 9:51:46 AM
Driving in my car
Turn on the radio
I'm pulling you close
You just say no
You say you don't like it
I know that you're a liar
'cause when we kiss:
Oo-ooh
Low bacteria level!
2285. stostosto - 12/16/1999 9:56:37 AM
Great come-on line:
Hey, baby, let's do sensitive things with our mouths!
2286. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:02:24 AM
Alan Clarke
Billy Bremner
Peter Lorimar
These have several things in common. Name them.
2287. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 10:03:08 AM
Sto:
Or how about "May I check your bacteria level?"
2288. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:05:50 AM
Just Fontaine
Grzegorz Lato
Jairzinho
Mario Kempes
Paolo Rossi
Davor Suker
What in common?
2289. ButterfieldSwire - 12/16/1999 10:07:24 AM
Animals?
2290. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:10:55 AM
Irv:
How about this slightly more conversational line:
"If you believe Desmond Morris, it's evolutionarily important for humans to mate facing each other. I don't know about that personally. What is your opinion?".
2291. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 10:12:22 AM
Other than being soccer players, I don't know.
2292. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:12:29 AM
ButtWire:
What?
2293. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:14:07 AM
Irv:
Who are you referring to? The 2286 lot or the 2288 lot?
2294. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 10:16:59 AM
sto:
Or, to make a small change:
"If you believe Desmond Morris, it's evolutionarily important for humans to mate facing each other. I don't know about that personally. Would you be interested in testing this theory?"
2295. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:21:25 AM
Irving "Subtle" Snodgrass.
2296. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 10:21:35 AM
The 2288 lot. I don't know the others.
2297. DanDillon - 12/16/1999 10:24:30 AM
DanDillon's Quiz du Jour
1. Who turns 29 on this very day?
2298. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:25:28 AM
Well, you are right. They are "soccer" players. But there is more.
2299. stostosto - 12/16/1999 10:26:44 AM
Congratulations, DanDillon!
2300. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 10:33:35 AM
Happy Birthday, Dan! "Sieze" the day!
Sto:
I don't know the "more" part.
2301. DanDillon - 12/16/1999 10:36:45 AM
Grazei!
Er... grazie.
2302. Dantheman - 12/16/1999 10:38:48 AM
DanDillon,
Or even Gracie and George
Happy birthday!
2303. PelleNilsson - 12/16/1999 11:18:37 AM
sto -- Message # 2288
They were the top goal scorers in successive World Championships.
2304. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 11:50:00 AM
Even I know that Pelle's answer can't be right, since there was a 16-year gap between Rossi's and Suker's scoring titles. Perhaps if the word "successive" is omitted?
2305. stostosto - 12/16/1999 12:27:15 PM
Yep, Pelle & Irv. Together you are right.
They were all top goal scorers at different World Cups. They are not even in chronological order. Can you put the dates on them?
There are gaps, as Irv says. I consciously left out one whom I deemed to be so well-known as to give the quiz away. Who might that be, and which World Cup was that?
2306. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/16/1999 1:21:34 PM
sto:
I can only tell you the scoring champs from the tournaments I've followed (the last 20 years or so):
1978: Kempes
1982: Rossi
1998: Suker
I'm not sure who you omitted. But I checked a list of scoring champs (and saw the remaining answers, which I won't give as I didn't know them from my own experience) and Jairzinho was not listed.
2307. CalGal - 12/16/1999 2:19:11 PM
Happy Day, Dan!
This is also Beethoven's birthday, as well as the 31st anniversary of the day I arrived in Saudi Arabia. I know the last one is weird, but that makes it a touchstone date in the CalGal family of origin.
2308. angel-five - 12/16/1999 3:01:57 PM
You mean all of those aren't common pick-up lines in Scandinavia?
2309. stostosto - 12/16/1999 4:10:58 PM
Irv
You're right about Jairzinho. He was Brazil's top scorer in 1970, but was surpassed by a certain European as top scorer for the total World Cup.
2310. stostosto - 12/16/1999 4:17:22 PM
...and I am surprised, and thrilled that you know any of those at all, Irv. How come? Did your transplant to Indonesia involve an introduction to football (you know, "soccer")? How is Indonesia soccer-wise anyway? Never heard of Indonesian soccer - only badminton. Or is there another explanation?
2311. stostosto - 12/16/1999 5:10:24 PM
The names in 2286, mysteriously unfamiliar to people here, belong to soccer players who played in the glorious Leeds United team of the early 1970s - a team solely consisting of international players. Bremner and Lorimar played for Scotland, Alan Clarke for England.
2312. ChristinO - 12/16/1999 5:15:02 PM
Yeah, all I know about soccer stars is Pele, Mia Hamm and Kenny Cooper
2313. stostosto - 12/16/1999 5:42:04 PM
ChristinO
If you're going to know of only one more soccer star, make it this one: 
2314. Uzmakk - 12/16/1999 6:55:21 PM
What did Lewis Lapham call Rush Limbaugh at Elaine's in NYC? Apparently something nasty. I am wondering if it was clever and creative.
2315. angel-five - 12/16/1999 11:23:39 PM
Is Mia Hamm the one who did the commercial with Jordan or the hottie who took off her shirt on television when her team won the big game?
2316. EricCartman - 12/17/1999 12:39:31 AM
A5:
The former. Brandi Chastain is the one who took her shirt off.
2317. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 8:08:23 AM
Yet Another General Knowledge Quiz
1. What body of sea-water specifically separates Finland from Sweden?
2. The German surrender in World War I, and the French surrender in World War II, were signed in the same railway car—in what forest?
3. How many different time zones does Canada have?
4. What is polyandry?
5. There are only two chemical elements that are liquid at ordinary "room" temperature. One is mercury. What is the other?
6. Her name was Margaretha Geertruida Zelle. By what name is she better remembered by history?
7. What language does Number 6's better-known name come from, and what does it mean?
8. What country is this? 
9. How many faces does an icosahedron have?
10. Who was called Pandemos—goddess of all the people?
2318. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 8:24:13 AM
1. What body of sea-water specifically separates Finland from Sweden?
Gulf of Bothnia
3. How many different time zones does Canada have?
Six, the four US zones, Atlantic, and a half hour later in Newfoundland
4. What is polyandry?
Woman with multiple husbands.
5. There are only two chemical elements that are liquid at ordinary "room" temperature. One is mercury. What is the other?
Lithium?
6. Her name was Margaretha Geertruida Zelle. By what name is she better remembered by history?
Mata Hari?
7. What language does Number 6's better-known name come from, and what does it mean?
No idea what this is about. The Prisoner?
8. What country is this?
Bhutan
9. How many faces does an icosahedron have?
20
10. Who was called Pandemos—goddess of all the people?
Aphrodite, but this was at Thebes, where the Egyptian goddess Hathor also had this attribute.
2319. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 8:34:20 AM
Jay:
You oughta join us for more quizzes.
1. Jay (Gulf of Bothnia)
3. Almost -- try again
4. Jay (Woman with multiple husbands)
5. try again
6. Jay (Mata Hari)
7. try again (A clue: remember where I am)
8. Jay (Bhutan)
9. Jay (20)
10. Jay (Aphrodite)
That only leaves 2, 3, 5 and 7 up for grabs...
2320. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 10:43:02 AM
then is the answer to 3 7 time zones? Is there another one out west for the yukon?
2321. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 10:52:24 AM
Jay:
Exactly. The six you mentioned, plus "Yukon" time.
2322. theDiva - 12/17/1999 10:53:05 AM
Hi Irv.
2323. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 10:54:21 AM
Still remaining:
2. The German surrender in World War I, and the French surrender in World War II, were signed in the same railway car—in what forest?
5. There are only two chemical elements that are liquid at ordinary "room" temperature. One is mercury. What is the other?
7. What language does Mata Hari's name come from, and what does it mean?
2324. theDiva - 12/17/1999 10:54:56 AM
3. Seven
5. Iodine
2325. mintcar - 12/17/1999 10:55:28 AM
The "number 6" in question 7 means the answer to question 6?
I thought Jay's The Prisoner reference was pretty good, though. Maybe the answer is Patrick McGoohan.
2326. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 10:56:07 AM
Diva, as long as you're here, try answering some questions!
2327. mintcar - 12/17/1999 10:56:24 AM
Oops. Well, that clears it up.
2328. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 10:57:03 AM
Well, I had to look it up. (Is that a violation of the spirit of the game?) The other element liquid at room temperature is Francium. Atomic number 87.
2329. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 10:58:26 AM
5. Selenium?
Selenium sounds sort of liquidy.
2330. theDiva - 12/17/1999 10:58:32 AM
Irv
I am beyond pathetic at such quizzes, as you can see.
2331. Dantheman - 12/17/1999 11:00:09 AM
2. I seem to recall Ardennes from history class, but that was a long time ago.
2332. theDiva - 12/17/1999 11:01:27 AM
7. It's Indonesian, and it means Lady Spy. (Wild guess here.)
2333. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:02:05 AM
No, not iodine, francium or selenium. Though Diva gets partial credit because iodine is almost right... it's another of the five halogens (along with chlorine, fluorine, iodine and astatine).
And I repeat my earlier clue for the Mata Hari question: remember where I live.
2334. theDiva - 12/17/1999 11:03:54 AM
Cool, I get partial credit. And it was a science question! I think I'll take myself out to lunch as reward.
2335. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:05:32 AM
Yes, Diva, it's Indonesian (or rather, Malay, since Indonesian didn't even exist as a separate language back then).
And since I can't really expect any of you to know the meaning, it means "sun" (literally "eye of the day").
For #2, not Ardennes (though it's a good guess).
2336. theDiva - 12/17/1999 11:10:01 AM
Two partial credits!!! Cool. I feel so smart.
2337. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:10:18 AM
Questions, Questions:
What are the answers to the following questions posed in movies, tv shows, or books?
1) "What has it got in its pocketses?"
2) "Is it safe?" (Several answers are possible; explain your answer correctly for credit.)
3) "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" (There is, apparently, an answer.)
4) "What was the name of the boy?!!?!" (Think: New Orleans.)
5) "His eyes... what have you done to his eyes?!?!" (No answer, but identify film/context.)
6) "What is Sanctuary?"
7) "Where have the Snowdens of yesteryear gone?" (No answer, but identify book.)
2338. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:10:47 AM
Fluorine.
2339. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:12:51 AM
8) What is the Answer to the Questions of Life, the Universe, and Everything?
9) What is the actual QUESTION of the Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything? (Two are possible; but only one is right.)
2340. Dantheman - 12/17/1999 11:14:38 AM
1. Gollum to Bilbo Baggins in the Hobbit
2341. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:15:20 AM
Dan:
But what's the answer?
When I don't ask for the context, I want the answer, not the source.
2342. Dantheman - 12/17/1999 11:15:42 AM
8. 42, at least if you believe knowing the answer and question are possible in the same universe (from Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy books)
2343. Dantheman - 12/17/1999 11:16:08 AM
1. The ring
2344. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:17:03 AM
Yes to both.
There IS an answer to Nine, however.
2345. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:17:33 AM
I'll wrap up my quiz so you can all devote full attention to Ace's quiz:
2. The German surrender in World War I, and the French surrender in World War II, were signed in the same railway car—in what forest?
Compiègne (not far from where Joan of Arc was captured by the Burgundians).
5. There are only two chemical elements that are liquid at ordinary "room" temperature. One is mercury. What is the other?
Bromine.
2346. Dantheman - 12/17/1999 11:18:34 AM
3. From Heinlein's Friday -- Tape the sound of one hand clapping. Rewind tape. Play tape. (silly answer, but the best I can do).
2347. Dantheman - 12/17/1999 11:19:20 AM
9 The one I recall is what is 6 time 8.
2348. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:19:21 AM
Sorry, Irv, didn't mean to step on toes.
I'll answer "The Ardennes Forest" to your question Number 2.
I know you just gave the answer, and the Ardennes is wrong, but I'll say "Ardennes" anyway, because it's a good answer, or at least the only one I can think of.
2349. Dantheman - 12/17/1999 11:19:38 AM
whoops time = times
2350. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:20:20 AM
Dan:
6 x 8: Close, but wrong.
Tape: No. Not what I'm thinking of.
2351. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:22:28 AM
Ace:
No toes stepped on... my quiz had run its course. Sorry I don't know any answers to your quiz.
And yes, Ardennes was a good answer. Who's ever heard of "Compiègne"?
2352. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 11:25:48 AM
Irv,
This reference (periodic table) lists Francium (FR) as liquid at room temperature with a melting point of 300 Degrees Kelvin. That's 27 degrees Celsius.
2353. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:30:29 AM
Jay:
I'll take your word for it. My source listed bromine as the only other element that is liquid at room temperature. It's an excellent source, but I'm sure it's not infallible.
2354. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:35:47 AM
Maybe Francium isn't naturally occurring, and your source asked about "naturally occurring" elements.
A bunch of those "elements" listed near the bottom of the chart don't occur in nature and must be created in supercolliders and such.
2355. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 11:36:07 AM
1. Gollum's guesses are string, handses, nothing and something else (fish?), but Bilbo actually has the One Ring in his pocket.
3. Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.
2356. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:38:26 AM
Ha, hah. Sorry, Jay, but that rather lengthy parable isn't what I was thinking of.
2357. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 11:41:56 AM
The manufactured elements are all much later in the list than 87. They're called the transuranic elements because they come after uranium.
2358. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 11:43:15 AM
I should have noted that Uranium is atomic number 92.
2359. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:43:31 AM
Jay:
That's the general rule-- all lot of the elements in that separate little two-line box are manufactured. But Francium was "discovered" quite recently. Are you sure it wasn't "discovered" in a supercollider.
2360. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:45:14 AM
Strike "quite" from "quite recently."
It wasn't discovered "quite" recently. It was discovered in the seventies I think.
2361. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 11:45:29 AM
Bromine, like mercury, is liquid at the freezing point of water. Perhaps that's what the reference meant to say.
2362. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:46:19 AM
...or maybe I'm confusing it with Curium or Americanium.
2363. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 11:47:26 AM
(France) Discovered in 1939 by Mlle. Marguerite Perey of the Curie Institute, Paris. Francium, the heaviest known member of the alkali metals series, occurs as a reult of an alpha disintegration of actinium. It can also be made by artificially by bombarding thorium with protons. While it occurs naturally in uranium minerals, there is probably less than an ounce of francium at any time in the total crust of the earth. It has the highest equivalent weight of any element, and is the most unstable of the first 101 elements of the periodic system. Thirty-three isotopes of francium are recognized. The longest lived 223Fr (Ac, K), a daughter of 227Ac, has a half-lilfe of 22 min. This is the only isotope of francium occurring in nature. Because all known isotopes of francium are highly unstable, knowledge of the chemical properties of this element comes from radiochemical techniques. No weighable quantity of the element has been prepared or isolated. The chemical properties of francium most resemble cesium.
2364. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:47:55 AM
Ace:
Actually, my question disn't say "naturally occurring," and Francium certainly fits the question. A check of all the elements in Jay's link shows that there are indeed three which are liquid at RT (Mercury, Bromine and Francium). I have to assume my source was simply wrong.
2365. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:48:41 AM
There you go. I confused it with Curium or Americanium.
2366. JayAckroyd - 12/17/1999 11:48:56 AM
But the spirit of Ace's comment is not far from the mark, although he's wrong in the letter.
2367. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:49:54 AM
Although:
"The longest lived 223Fr (Ac, K), a daughter of 227Ac, has a half-lilfe of 22 min. This is the only isotope of francium occurring in nature. Because all known isotopes of francium are highly unstable, knowledge of the chemical properties of this element comes from radiochemical techniques."
"Naturally occurring," yes, but only for 22 minutes.
2368. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:52:26 AM
Ace:
Right, or naturally occurring, with only less than an ounce at any time in the crust of the earth.
2369. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:52:33 AM
Further:
"Because all known isotopes of francium are highly unstable, knowledge of the chemical properties of this element comes from radiochemical techniques"
Irv's source is therefore right, in an important way. Francium doesn't "exist as a liquid" at room temperature. That's never been proved, as we've never had enough of the stuff to actually test. It barely exists at all.
2370. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 11:54:55 AM
"That's never been proved, as we've never had enough of the stuff to actually test."
In other words, it never HAS existed as a liquid at room temperature, and most likely never will.
It *might* exist as a liquid at room temperature, if we ever actually had more than ten or twelve atoms of it to pool together.
2371. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/17/1999 11:57:23 AM
We get off on some great tangents around here.
2372. angel-five - 12/17/1999 1:02:28 PM
How many roads must a man walk down?
2373. theDiva - 12/17/1999 1:03:49 PM
A5
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
This younger generation. Jaysus.
2374. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 1:04:08 PM
Angel:
That's the invented question. It's an answer, but it's not really the right answer, as the mice simply made that up on the spot.
The real question is supplied by Arthur Dent.
2375. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 1:21:45 PM
#6 - A place for the over-30 crowd.
2376. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 1:22:28 PM
# 9 - "What is six times seven?"
2377. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 1:24:08 PM
No wait, that would be 42 ... and if I remember right, the answer was wrong. Damn. I've got the books somewhere ...
2378. CalGal - 12/17/1999 1:31:02 PM
I thought the answer was "We Apologize for the Inconvenience". Or was that just the Message?
2379. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 1:35:41 PM
Trial:
No and no. You're on the right track but wrong.
2380. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 1:36:22 PM
Cal:
No.
The Question was: "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?"
2381. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 1:46:05 PM
# 6 - Hmmm ... well, as it turned out, Sanctuary was an meat locker, but it was supposed to be a haven for Runners. Odd that the City didn't know about Box.
I don't think D.C. qualifies.
2382. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 1:51:27 PM
"There is no Sanctuary."
Michael York said it like twenty times.
2383. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 1:52:28 PM
Remember, I was asking for the answer to that question. That was the answer.
Although I see now how ambiguous the question was. Oh, well.
2384. CalGal - 12/17/1999 1:56:13 PM
Make like the cow at Milliways, dude.
2385. DocBrown - 12/17/1999 2:54:10 PM
5) When Rosemary first saw her baby, she said "His eyes... what have you done to his eyes?!?!".
I don't know the others, but here's one for you. What's the answer to this question:
"Sir, don't you think we should turn on the runway lights?"
2386. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 3:00:39 PM
"No ... that's exactly what they'll expect us to do."
2387. DocBrown - 12/17/1999 3:05:20 PM
Bingo, Sharky! That was fast!
2388. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 3:07:12 PM
I loved Lloyd Bridges in those movies.
2389. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 3:07:45 PM
Robert Stack was a hoot, too.
2390. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 3:08:11 PM
Doc:
Yeah, you're right.
Too bad I wasn't around for the Airplane question, 'cuz I'd've nailed it.
Here's a few:
"The hospital? What is it?"
"The sun? What is it?"
"What's a 'tad'?"
2391. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 3:08:47 PM
In fact, I sometimes have a hard time distinguishing one from the other. [g]
2392. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 3:08:50 PM
The "Hot Shots" films were classic as well. Lloyd Bridges was hilarious in those.
"Pudding?"
2393. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 3:09:42 PM
one more:
"But what about your landlady?"
2394. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 3:12:08 PM
I never would have pegged Leslie Nielson or Lloyd Bridges as comics from their early work.
Just shows what you can do with a truly off-the-wall script and a deadpan delivery.
2395. AceofSpades - 12/17/1999 3:13:17 PM
not going to answer my questions, TrialShark?
2396. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 3:29:02 PM
Ace --
Didn't know you wanted answers.
"It's a big building with doctors and patients. But that's not important right now."
The second quote is probably from A2, which I only saw once. I'd guess the answer is something along the lines of "It's a big ball of fire in the sky. But that's not important right now."
I'll have to leave the last few for folks who could stand "Hot Shots."
Here's one back at you: what was the repeated scatological reference uttered by Val Kilmer's newfound friends?
2397. angel-five - 12/17/1999 3:33:18 PM
Answers to the quotes quiz:
1)When a banker jumps out of a window, jump after him -- that's where
the money is.
--Robespierre
2)The word good has many meanings. For example, if a man were to shoot his grandmother at a range of five hundred yards, I should call him a good shot, but not necessarily a good man.
--Chesterton
3)There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly
what the universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another which states that this has already happened.
--Doug Adams
4)I could not believe in a god that could not dance.
--Nietzsche
5)Our leaders are low-rent Fascists and our laws are a tangle of mockeries. Recent polls indicate that the only people who feel optimistic about the future are first-year law students who expect to get rich by haggling over the ruins... and they are probably right.
--Hunter Thompson
6)Quoting: the act of repeating erroneously the words of another.
--Ambrose Bierce
7)Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.
-L. Ron Hubbard
8)Ninety percent of everything is crap.
--Theodore Sturgeon
9)Man is certainly stark mad. He cannot even make a worm, and yet he
will be making gods by the dozens.
--Montaigne
10)The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by
those who have not got it.
-George Bernard Shaw
2398. angel-five - 12/17/1999 4:22:13 PM
Military History Quiz
1) Name five prominent Europeans who fought in the American Revolution, on the side of the American patriots.
2) Name the first submarine.
3) What was the first commissioned nuclear submarine and what was it known for doing?
4)How many aircraft carriers did the Japanese navy sink at Pearl Harbor?
5)What elite band of soldiers served as the personal bodyguard to the French Throne for hundreds of years?
6)Name three current military weapons and three obsolete military items/concepts which share the same name. (I'm sure there's a lot more than three.
7)What was the traditional mark of belonging to the German General Staff?
8)Which WWII general though he was the reincarnated spirit of several past military leaders?
9)What's a 'duck's foot'?
10)Name the battle where heavy armored cavalry was first conclusively demonstrated to be obsolete. (It's possible that there's more than one answer for this, so defend your answer)
11)Name three defensive 'lines' built and manned by the Germans during WWII.
12) What Civil War general was known as 'Granny' (at least for a while)?
13)Who led the force sent to capture Pancho Villa?
14)What war saw the battle of Rorke's Drift?
15) What was so special about Cesare Borgia's capture of the city of Urbino?
16) Which two countries fought the War of Jenkins' Ear?
17) What was the name of the band of Irish volunteers who fought for Franco furing the Spanish Civil War?
18)Where and what was Eben Emael?
19)Who won the battle of Arbela?
20)What's notable about the method used to get soldiers to the battlefield at the Battle of the Marne?
2399. EricCartman - 12/17/1999 4:43:21 PM
1. Lafayette, Kosciusko
2. The Turtle
8. Patton
19. Alexander the Great
2400. EricCartman - 12/17/1999 4:47:17 PM
3. The Nautilus, which crossed under the North Pole
13. Black Jack Pershing?
2401. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 4:55:58 PM
#4 - Zero.
2402. angel-five - 12/17/1999 5:11:38 PM
What's the Turtle? I should have said the first military submarine.
Cartman right with 3, 8, 13 and 19. Shark with 4.
2403. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 5:22:29 PM
2 - CSS Hunley is widely regarded as the first military submarine.
2404. TrialShark - 12/17/1999 5:29:20 PM
A5 --
EC's answer is more correct, however. The Turtle was used in the Revolutionary War, though as I recall it never sank anything. CSS Hunley nailed the USS Housatonic, and so usually gets the nod as the first military submarine.
2405. angel-five - 12/17/1999 5:50:51 PM
Hunley was what I was going for. Hell, you both get credit.
2406. AceofSpades - 12/18/1999 1:19:42 AM
Trial:
Right on "sun" and "hospital."
Here are the other two:
from Airplane 2:
"We're sorry, but our captain says we're off course by a tad."
"Excuse me, Stewardress, what exactly is a 'tad'?"
"A 'tad' is an astronomical unit meaning 100 million miles."
From Hotshots:
Man and Woman are coming back from date. They come to the door of Woman's apartment.
Woman: "I'd invite you in, but my landlady is very, very nosy."
(man and woman chat, then they kiss passionately)
Woman: "On second thought, why don't you come in and do me?"
Man: "What about your landlady?"
Woman: "You can do her too."
2407. TrialShark - 12/18/1999 1:53:29 AM
Ace --
I had a landlady like that once.
So are you going to take a shot at the question I posed?
2408. CalGal - 12/18/1999 2:15:08 AM
1) In addition to Cart's two--Von Steuben, and I don't suppose Paine counts? God knows he argued enough, if he didn't technically fight.
14) Don't know the name of the war, but that's what ZULU was all about.
18) I can't remember the specifics, but it has to do with the German invasion of France and Belgium. Paratroopers? Spawn is reading on WWII right now, so dribs and drabs come to me.
2409. CalGal - 12/18/1999 2:32:48 AM
16) England and France? I think it was the French and Indian War.
2410. angel-five - 12/18/1999 2:50:06 AM
1) -- Paine doesn't count.
14) The Zulu war.
2411. CalGal - 12/18/1999 3:02:17 AM
1) Oh, I know another one, but I can't remember his name. Damn it. He was an Englishman--he's known because Washington lost his temper completely when he refused to attack at the Battle of mumble something in New Jersey. Lee? Or am I just thinking that because of Robert E?
2412. SnowOwl - 12/18/1999 4:22:36 AM
5, The Swiss Guards?
10. Agincourt (if not Agincourt it's Crecy)
17. Spain and England
18 General Duffy's Blueshirts
2413. SnowOwl - 12/18/1999 4:23:19 AM
20. Taxis
2414. SnowOwl - 12/18/1999 4:32:46 AM
Oops, make the answer above to 17, to Question 16 (Spain and England), and No. 18 to No. 17 (General Duffy's Blueshirts).
2415. angel-five - 12/18/1999 5:38:40 AM
CalGal: Yes, you're thinking of 'Light Horse Harry' Lee. You get credit if Lee was indeed born elsewhere, but I'm not looking for Brits.
SnowOwl: Right on all but the Swiss Guard. The Swiss Guard serves that function for the Pope.
2416. CalGal - 12/18/1999 1:20:09 PM
Angel,
No, I am thinking of Charles Lee. I went digging for "Founding Father" this morning to see if I could find what I was thinking of.
Charles Lee, an English-man-turned rebel, had been a major in the regular British Army and a major general in the service of the King of Poland.
Then, about the incident (the battle of Monmouth Courthouse:
This battle ended the career of Charles Lee, who had been released in an exchange of prisoners. Lee was assigned to make the first assault but pulled back, believing himself to be outnumbered. ... Washington did not agree. Appearing on the field, he asked Lee the cause of "all this disorder and confusion." Lee stammed; then, according to one account, Washington swore "till the leaves shook on the trees. Charming! Delightful! Never have I enjoyed such swearing before or since. Sir, on that memorable day, he swore like an angel from heaven.
This quote was made by someone who wasn't there, apparently, but it's so much fun that I included it. Anyway, it is the incident that made Washington's temper famous.
Hamilton was a Caribbean immigrant, but I suppose that doesn't count as European? Although I suppose the West Indies were owned by Britain.
2417. Indiana Jones - 12/18/1999 3:19:07 PM
3. Nautilus? I think it sailed under the North Pole
2418. JonesAtLaw - 12/18/1999 3:23:13 PM
Commmodore Berry, (Irish) Baron von Steuben, (Prussian) Teodore (?)Pulaski (Polish)
6.Red Tab insignia
9. Multi-barrel pistol with barrels splayed as if toes in a duck's foot.
10. Agincourt, longbow was strong enough to pierce all but the best plate, heavy knights and armoured horses were mired in swampy land and cut to pieces by English archers behind pikes. Many of the French drowned.
11. Sigfried
2419. angel-five - 12/18/1999 3:57:11 PM
Charles was'Light Horse Harry' Lee, CalGal.
2420. angel-five - 12/18/1999 4:06:38 PM
No, you're actually right. It was a different Lee.
JAL gets 6 and 9.
2421. SnowOwl - 12/18/1999 4:34:24 PM
11, The Gothic Line. Perhaps the West Wall might count as it was heavily fortified in parts.
2422. angel-five - 12/18/1999 4:51:26 PM
We have the Gothic Line and the Westwall (Siegfried Line) which was indeed defended at parts though Allied soldiers just walked across it at other parts.
For Europeans fighting for the Patriots we have Lafayette, Kosciusko, Pulaski, Lee, Berry, Von Steuben, anyone else? Well, that's over five. Others I had in mind were John Paul Jones and Baron De Kalb.
2423. angel-five - 12/18/1999 4:55:38 PM
What's Left:
5)What elite band of soldiers served as the personal
bodyguard to the French Throne for hundreds of years?
6)Name three current military weapons and three
obsolete military items/concepts which share the same
name. (I'm sure there's a lot more than three).
11)Name three defensive 'lines' built and manned by the
Germans during WWII. (one to go)
12) What Civil War general was known as 'Granny' (at
least for a while)?
15) What was so special about Cesare Borgia's capture of
the city of Urbino?
18)Where and what was Eben Emael?
2424. Indiana Jones - 12/18/1999 4:59:32 PM
6. Trident submarine, trident missile, trident like Neptune used
Tomahawk missile, tomahawk
mace spray and knight's mace
2425. angel-five - 12/18/1999 5:02:48 PM
The military uses Mace? Well, maybe some MPs do.
Others: The Claymore (sword, mine) the Phalanx (the weapons system and the pike formation)the Minuteman (missile and partisan). Good enough, IJ.
2426. Indiana Jones - 12/18/1999 5:07:18 PM
Politically incorrect joke ahead:
The military uses mace ever since "Don't ask, don't tell."
2427. angel-five - 12/18/1999 5:40:22 PM
Hint to 5 - The one guess so far wasn't very far off.
To 11) -- There were two defensive lines in Italy alone.
12) -- This nickname -- which suggests timidity and conservative tactics -- didn't last very long and turned out to be ironically as incorrect as you can get.
15) Borgia was known for being really devious and for betraying trust.
18) The one guess so far was on the right track.
2428. angel-five - 12/18/1999 5:41:19 PM
IJ: I don't get it.
2429. Indiana Jones - 12/18/1999 5:42:43 PM
12. Nathan Bedford Forrest?
2430. angel-five - 12/18/1999 5:43:49 PM
12 -- Good guess based on the hint, but I don't think anyone anywhere ever ever accused Forrest of being timid.
2431. angel-five - 12/18/1999 11:01:59 PM
Answers:
5) Scots Guard
11) Gustav Line
12) Believe it or not, this was actually what Robert E. Lee's men called him at the beginning of the war.
15) I get a kick out of this. Borgia actually borrowed the artillery within the city from the Urbino commander, who presumably didn't know what Borgia was about to do. He then used it to sack the city.
18) Eben Emael was a Dutch fortress and the center of defenses within the low lands. It fell to the Nazis early on in the German attack.
2432. AceofSpades - 12/19/1999 11:25:34 PM
11-- Anzio
2433. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 1:52:52 AM
CINE OBSCURA
See if you can answer the questions and provide the name of the movie.
1. What was the repeated scatological reference by Val Kilmer's new friends?
2. Why did Paul Williams believe he could not die?
3. What was the mistake in the lunchroom at Mt. Rushmore?
4. Why did the ape not climb the stack of boxes?
5. What were the names of Bruce Dern's gardeners?
6. Who was uncomfortable with Jewish ritual?
7. What were the last words of the man who fingered the 39 Steps?
8. What was Einstein probably one of?
9. What was Harrison Ford "pretty sure" about?
10. What did George C. Scott want to do to the chaplain?
2434. CalGal - 12/20/1999 1:58:15 AM
3. No bullets in the gun? Or do I have the wrong movie?
5. Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
2435. CalGal - 12/20/1999 1:59:37 AM
7. I'm glad that's off my mind.
2436. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 2:00:31 AM
Cal --
#3 - You're on the right track, but it's an actual blooper.
#5 - Correct, but don't forget to post the name of the flick.
2437. CalGal - 12/20/1999 2:02:33 AM
3. North by Northwest and oh, yes, I know what you mean. Didn't the kid wince or something before the gunshot?
5. Silent Running
2438. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 2:05:50 AM
Cal --
# 3: Partial credit. It's "or something."
2439. angel-five - 12/20/1999 2:08:53 AM
Commander Dietrich (I had to look up the name) in Raider of the Lost Ark was uncomfortable with the Jewish Ritual.
Harrison Ford in IJ and the Last Crusade was pretty sure that the picture in the catacomb/sewer was the Lost Ark.
2440. CalGal - 12/20/1999 2:10:33 AM
3. Plugged his ears.
2441. angel-five - 12/20/1999 2:12:52 AM
BTW: For some reason, here, 'And Dobler. I want plenty of protection.' is a catchphrase, though it refers to a different kind of protection, when speaking of a dodgy date.
2442. angel-five - 12/20/1999 2:14:21 AM
Gobler, that is.
2443. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 2:18:06 AM
A5 -
Right on #6 and #9.
Cal -
Right on # 3. I got them let me into the lunchroom when I was in Rapid City to try a court-martial in 1992, even though it was closed for rennovation. The ranger had a soft spot for North by Northwest fans.
2444. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 2:19:24 AM
"to let me in ... "
And it was the lunchroom that was closed. Though Rapid City could use a little sprucing up, too.
2445. proudnerd - 12/20/1999 2:19:48 AM
A5,
Wasn't Eben Emael a Belgian fort ?
2446. CalGal - 12/20/1999 2:22:01 AM
TS,
Hey, that's cool! Did you see my answer to #7?
10. I am not a Patton worshipper, but that's my first guess for movie.
Proudnerd,
I'm glad you said that--I haven't looked it up yet, but I could have sworn that I heard Spawn mentioning France and Belgium.
2447. angel-five - 12/20/1999 2:22:15 AM
Yes. Oops. What did I say, Dutch?
2448. angel-five - 12/20/1999 2:23:18 AM
Yeesh. Yes, it protected the approaches to the low countries, but was actually in Belgium.
2449. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 2:23:53 AM
Cal --
Right on #7, and I'm sure you know the movie.
#10 - Got the movie, need the answer.
2450. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 11:18:23 AM
CINE OBSCURA
Name the movie and answer the question; remaining questions are reprinted below.
1. What was the repeated scatological reference by Val Kilmer's new friends?
2. Why did Paul Williams believe he could not die?
4. Why did the ape not climb the stack of boxes?
8. What was Einstein probably one of?
10. What did George C. Scott want to do to the chaplain? (Cal got the movie right -- it's Patton. This should make answering the question easy for everyone else)
The entire quiz can be found at Mesage 2433.
2451. DocBrown - 12/20/1999 12:21:48 PM
1) I think the movie is Willow, but I can't remember the reference.
4) The Ape Dr. Zira stacked the boxes but didn't climb them because she loathed bananas in Escape freom the Planet of the Apes.
5) Einstien was probably ". . .one of them" (the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind).
2452. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 12:28:51 PM
Doc --
Right on #4 and #8, but #1 is not from "Willow." That is pretty obscure, though. [g]
2453. OhioSTOPAS - 12/20/1999 12:34:07 PM
Is the answer to #1 from "The Doors"?
2454. DocBrown - 12/20/1999 12:43:46 PM
I know Val Kilmer's character had a funny name in 'Willow,' and I think it drew some wisecracks. I don't remember much more about it, except that I saw it on a date in a pretty empty theater . . .
Maybe the movie was 'The Saint?'
2455. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 12:49:26 PM
Ohio, Doc --
No, and no. Still more obscure.
Here's a hint: Dr. Zhivago.
2456. CalGal - 12/20/1999 1:05:03 PM
Oh, I had known it was Top Secret. I keep forgetting we're supposed to guess the movies, too. I just can't remember the specifics of the damn thing anymore.
2457. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 1:16:27 PM
CINE OBSCURA
Remaining questions:
1. What was the repeated scatological reference by Val Kilmer's new friends? (Cal gets partial credit for identifying the movie -- it's "Top Secret")
2. Why did Paul Williams believe he could not die?
10. What did George C. Scott want to do to the chaplain? (Again, Cal got the movie right -- it's "Patton")
2458. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 2:53:37 PM
Answers to remaining questions from CINE OBSCURA:
#1 - From "Top Secret." The French resistance fighters kept shouting out the name of one of their comrades: "Latrine!"
#2 - From "Phantom of the Paradise." Paul Williams thought he could not die because of his contract with the Devil. Not surprisingly, there was a loophole.
#10 - From "Patton." George C. Scott wanted to decorate the chaplain because the chaplain successfully prayed for good weather.
Kudos to Cal, Doc, and A-5 for nailing the other questions. You guys are good.
2459. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 3:00:33 PM
CINE OBSCURA, PART TWO
Identify the movie and answer the question.
1. How would a cunning linguist seduce Jamie Lee Curtis?
2. What was Sergeant Pinback's secret?
3. Who would have been President if James Farentino's mission succeeded?
4. What should you bring when pursuing Sylvester Stallone in the Pacific Northwest?
5. What was the maximum public relations budget for the government agency opposing Kirk Douglas?
6. Who did Kevin Costner say was great?
7. According to Val Kilmer, what were the last words of Socrates?
8. What did Linda Hamilton recommend in place of Coppertone?
9. What do O.J. Simpson and Anne Francis have in common?
10. To what did Mary Steenburgen threaten to change her name when she left San Francisco?
2460. CalGal - 12/20/1999 3:09:16 PM
7. I drank what?
2461. CalGal - 12/20/1999 3:11:43 PM
7. Real Genius (keep forgetting the movie)
This is a great quiz method, btw.
2462. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 3:16:31 PM
Cal --
Right on #7. Glad you like the format.
2463. CalGal - 12/20/1999 3:55:20 PM
5. Are you referring to ECONCOM?
2464. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 3:59:59 PM
Cal --
No, I don't think so. What movie are you referring to?
I'm looking for an actual cash value in #5.
2465. theDiva - 12/20/1999 4:00:59 PM
1. He'd speak Italian (or another foreign language) to her. A Fish Called Wanda.
2466. CalGal - 12/20/1999 4:01:03 PM
Yeah, I know. In one movie I can think of where Kirk is fighting a government agency, I can't remember any specific cash value. So I mentioned the name to see if I was on the right track. Your response sez no.
2467. theDiva - 12/20/1999 4:03:40 PM
4. A hand-held computer/GPS - Cliffhanger
2468. PelleNilsson - 12/20/1999 4:06:05 PM
1. Cunningulus?
2469. Raskolnikov - 12/20/1999 4:12:04 PM
8. What did Linda Hamilton recommend in place of Coppertone?
"anyone not wearing one million sunblock is going to have a very bad day" - T2
2470. theDiva - 12/20/1999 4:14:54 PM
dagnabit! I shoulda gotten that one.
2471. Raskolnikov - 12/20/1999 4:18:01 PM
Anne Francis and OJ have both acted with Leslie Nielsen - she in Forbidden Planet, he in the Naked Gun films.
2472. DocBrown - 12/20/1999 4:21:20 PM
2. Sergeant Pinback was not really Sergeant Pinback, or so he claimed in 'Dark Star.'
2473. DocBrown - 12/20/1999 4:30:33 PM
I hate to interrupt a quiz, but I have a timely question as a tribute to the recently departed Desmond Llewelyn.
Which two of the main core Albert R. 'Cubby' Broccoli James Bond movies did not feature Desmond Llewelyn as Q?
2474. Raskolnikov - 12/20/1999 4:34:22 PM
Dr No, and Live and Let Die.
2475. CalGal - 12/20/1999 4:46:13 PM
Rats, Rask beat me to it.
2476. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 4:55:05 PM
CINE OBSCURA, PART TWO
The score so far
# 1 Diva -- good. Russian was her preferred language, but any foreign tongue would apparently suffice. Pele -- ba-da-bump!
# 2 Doc -- right. And "Dark Star" is pretty obscure.
# 4 Diva -- no.
# 7 Cal -- she pegged this one right away. Judging from the size of the audience when I saw "Real Genius," this was supposed to be the tough one.
# 8 Rask -- yes.
# 9 Rask --yes. I was going to ask "what do Nordberg and Oscar Goldman have in common," but that would have gotten people wrapped around the murder case. Besides, it would have brought TV into the quiz. *shudder*
That leaves # 3, 4, 5, 6, and 10.
2477. CalGal - 12/20/1999 5:00:31 PM
Darkstar! I knew it was a Carpenter film.
I can't be the only one who can quote reams and reams of Real Genius by heart.
2478. CalGal - 12/20/1999 5:00:56 PM
10. Is this Time after Time?
2479. Raskolnikov - 12/20/1999 5:01:12 PM
"4. What should you bring when pursuing Sylvester Stallone in the Pacific Northwest? "
Deev's early answer had me fixed on Cliffhanger, but it isn't.
Its First Blood, and the answer is a "a supply of body bags".
2480. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 5:05:24 PM
#4 Rask - Very good!
#10 Cal - You got the movie; now let's see if you remember the dialogue.
2481. CalGal - 12/20/1999 5:14:48 PM
3. Oh, is this the movie where they go back to 1941? Final Countdown, or something?
2482. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 5:14:49 PM
CINE OBSCURA, PART TWO
Identify the movie and answer the question.
The following questions remain open:
3. Who would have been President if James Farentino's mission succeeded?
5. What was the maximum public relations budget for the government agency opposing Kirk Douglas?
6. Who did Kevin Costner say was great?
10. To what did Mary Steenburgen threaten to change her name when she left San Francisco? (Cal got the movie -- it's "Time After Time.")
2483. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 5:16:16 PM
# 3 Cal -- you're scary. Yes.
2484. CalGal - 12/20/1999 5:20:25 PM
TS,
I am much better at guessing movies--even ones that I haven't seen--than I am at remembering plots of movies I saw only once or twice.
I think the President was James Farentino, then, wasn't he? Or do I have it backwards?
5. I've racked my brains on this and still the only movie I can think of that qualifies is Seven Days in May.
2485. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 5:27:44 PM
Cal --
# 3 - no, James Farentino was not President.
# 5 -think John Cassavettes with a real bad headache.
2486. CalGal - 12/20/1999 5:32:48 PM
Well, shit. I remember the end of the movie and the guy in the big black limo. Was it Kirk Douglas, then?
Oh, I know the movie. Fury. Don't know the amount, though. I've never seen the movie. I was thinking of Kirk as a military officer--from SDIM, obviously, and couldn't get off of it.
2487. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 5:48:42 PM
Cal --
# 3 - no, that was Farentino, and to be fair, he may have been President -- of Tideman Industries. I meant President of the United States.
You got the movie right on #5.
2488. CalGal - 12/20/1999 5:54:47 PM
3. Okay, then Charles Durning was a Senator or something, so he's my last guess.
5. Never saw the movie, so don't know the amount.
2489. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 6:00:05 PM
Cal --
# 3 - The last guess is the right one. Senator Chapman, played by Charles Durning.
2490. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 6:04:16 PM
Answers to remaining questions from CINE OBSCURA, PART TWO:
#5 -Nine cents. In "The Fury," Kirk Douglas is trying to recover his kidnapped son from "a government agency you've probably never heard of - they don't spend a dime on public relations."
# 6 - Morgan Freeman. "Robin Hood." This was one of many Costner lines in that movie that made me sorry I'd opted for a hot dog instead of pop corn.
# 10 - Susan B. Anthony. The line comes right at the end of "Time After Time, as Malcom McDowell and Mary Steenburgen are about to go back to 19th century England.
2491. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 6:05:49 PM
CINE OBSCURA, PART THREE
1. Why was Denzel Washington under water?
2. Which INF system followed Kelly LeBrock?
3. Who is the actor playing the Sergeant who reluctantly obeys General Bogan?
4. What is it when it's cookin'?
5. Who flies pterodactyls and helps save the world?
6. What is the favorite dessert of paranoid captains?
7. What did John Travolta repeatedly ask people not to shoot at?
8. Who killed Big Red?
9. Who will Peter Sellers have to answer to if he's wrong?
10. What's the bright side of being destroyed in a nuclear explosion in space?
2492. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 6:06:22 PM
Remember, you need to name the movie and answer the question.
2493. CalGal - 12/20/1999 6:07:28 PM
Yes, I figured it was the last line in the movie. I just couldn't pull it up from memory--I only watched it once or twice. Although it is the one movie where McDonald was actually adorable.
2494. CalGal - 12/20/1999 6:08:01 PM
5. John Wood, Wargames
2495. CalGal - 12/20/1999 6:08:27 PM
6. Strawberries?
2496. Raskolnikov - 12/20/1999 6:09:59 PM
Quick answers:
6. What is the favorite dessert of paranoid captains?
Strawberries - Caine Mutiny.
7. What did John Travolta repeatedly ask people not to shoot at?
The thermonuclear weapons -Broken Arrow/
9. Who will Peter Sellers have to answer to if he's wrong?
The Coca-Cola company - Dr Strangelove.
2497. JJBiener - 12/20/1999 6:10:25 PM
6. Strawberries. From the Caine Mutiny.
10. No one can hear you scream. From Alien
2498. CalGal - 12/20/1999 6:10:35 PM
3. Failsafe is the movie, the name will come to me.
2499. CalGal - 12/20/1999 6:11:32 PM
3. Failsafe, Dom DeLuise?
2500. CalGal - 12/20/1999 6:13:12 PM
1. I don't suppose you mean because the Russian nuclear weapons have fallen into the wrong hands, Crimson Tide?
2501. CalGal - 12/20/1999 6:15:42 PM
2. Probably Weird Science is the movie.
2502. JJBiener - 12/20/1999 6:16:48 PM
CalGal - #2501 - That's what I thought.
2503. JJBiener - 12/20/1999 6:21:58 PM
#3 Larry Hagman
2504. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 9:49:59 PM
# 1 - Cal, you're on the right track. Why was Denzel under water?
# 2 - "Weird Science" is the movie. We still need the answer.
# 3 - Cal's right.
# 5 - Cal's right again.
# 6 - Rask is right.
# 7 - Rask, right again.
# 9 - Rask is on a roll.
#10 -JJ, no. It's a more recent movie and the reference is more direct.
2505. CalGal - 12/20/1999 9:53:05 PM
1. Because Gene Hackman's XO was sick, or something?
2506. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 10:40:27 PM
Cal --
Very good. Appendicitis.
2507. JJBiener - 12/20/1999 11:04:55 PM
#10 If the movie is Armageddon, the bright side is that you save the world and your daughter's future husband.
2508. CalGal - 12/20/1999 11:09:09 PM
10. You don't have to pay your debts!!! You can spend a lot of money and not have to worry about it.
2509. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 11:27:21 PM
JJ, Cal --
You're so close! Think of an actual line of dialogue.
2510. TrialShark - 12/20/1999 11:28:56 PM
CINE OBSCURA, PART THREE
The questions remaining are:
2. Which INF system followed Kelly LeBrock?
4. What is it when it's cookin'?
8. Who killed Big Red?
10. What's the bright side of being destroyed in a nuclear explosion in space?
2511. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:30:48 AM
CINE OBSCURA, PART THREE
Answers to the remaining questions:
2. Which INF system followed Kelly LeBrock? A Pershing missile, created by the same process that created Kelly LeBrock's character in "Weird Science."
4. What is it when it's cookin'? It's cookin'. "Wag the Dog."
8. Who killed Big Red? James MacArthur, the hyper-reactive weapons officer of the USS Bedford in "The Bedford Incident."
10. What's the bright side of being destroyed in a nuclear explosion in space? "We'll all have high schools named after us." "Deep Impact."
2512. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:34:30 AM
Do you make these up, or are they in a book somewhere?
2513. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:37:14 AM
A. What's the bright side of being crushed to death in a trash compactor?
B. If you use a nuclear missile to destroy an atmospheric processing plant "with a significant dollar value" attached to it, what can plant's owners do in response?
C. What does "Hillary" mean in French?
D. A Riddle: If OJ Simpson, James Brolin, and Sam Waterston trekked across a desert without water, who would live?
E. Without math, we would have no engineering. But what if we had no lamps?
F. "He's intelligent, but inexperienced. His movements indicate a flaw." What flaw?
G. What has "Black eyes, like a doll's eyes"?
H. What gun carries fifteen in the mag, one in the pipe? (Name movie as well.)
I. What goes really fast and gets really shitty gas mileage?
J. What moves .5 past lightspeed?
K. "He gives them eyes, but they cannot see. And neither can ________."
2514. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:39:58 AM
L. Tough one: Define "bad."
2515. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:41:14 AM
M. What, and how often, do they eat at Gitmo?
2516. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:42:39 AM
Cal --
I made them up.
2517. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:43:10 AM
A. We'll all be a lot thinner.
2518. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:43:38 AM
C. She whose bosoms defy gravity.
2519. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:44:03 AM
D. If Eliot Gould is around to assist, James Brolin.
2520. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:44:38 AM
F. A weakness for fine Corinthian leather. No, wait ... two-dimensional thinking.
2521. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:45:19 AM
I. A big American car.
2522. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:45:48 AM
J. The Millenium Falcon.
2523. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:46:35 AM
Yes to all except I. "A big American car" is correct as far as it goes, but a specific model is suggested and agreed to as an exemplar.
2524. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:47:07 AM
L. Oh, man, the exact quote's gonna be tough. All life in the Universe coming to an end and every atom in your body instantaneously exapnding away from each other at the speed of light.
2525. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:47:59 AM
M. Three squares a day! (said by Noah Wyle)
2526. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:48:06 AM
L. Close enough. "Try to imagine every particle in the universe exploding simultaneously at the speed of light..."
2527. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:48:15 AM
M. I'm thinking lieutenants -- I don't recall how often. I only saw the movie once, coincidentally as I was preparing to court-martial the commanding officer of an Air Force base.
2528. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:48:30 AM
M. Yuhp. Three squares a day.
2529. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:49:24 AM
M. Like I said ...
2530. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:49:25 AM
G. Sharks.
2531. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:50:28 AM
Sharks? Really?
2532. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:50:42 AM
Yuhp. Sharks.
2533. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:51:12 AM
"Jaws." Robert Shaw while describing the sharks attacking after the Indianapolis sunk.
2534. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:51:59 AM
Specifically, the shark that skipped Quint in search of a better-tasting Indianapolis crew-member.
2535. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:52:05 AM
Funny, I never saw "Jaws."
2536. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:53:51 AM
The sharks come cruisin'. So we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know it's... kinda like `ol squares in battle like a, you see on a calendar, like the battle of Waterloo. And the idea was, the shark nearest man and then he'd start poundin' and hollerin' and screamin' and sometimes the shark would go away. Sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometimes that shark, he looks right into you. Right into your eyes. You know the thing about a shark, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, doesn't
seem to be livin'. Until he bites ya and those black eyes roll over white.
And then, ah then you hear that terrible high pitch screamin' and the ocean turns red and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin' they all come in and rip you to pieces.
2537. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:54:19 AM
Really? You must. It is wonderful.
2538. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:54:59 AM
H. Is that from Aliens?
2539. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:55:37 AM
The actual definition of "bad":
Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
2540. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:56:16 AM
h:
No, not from Aliens, but another question is.
2541. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 2:57:27 AM
Cal --
Really. But I saw "Young Sherlock Holmes," another Spielberg effort which features a lead made out of rubber and sporting improbably large teeth.
2542. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:58:07 AM
For "bad," I also would have accepted "Total Protonic Reversal" (Ackroyd adds this after Igon's explanation).
2543. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:58:53 AM
Or you could have said, "What's an important safety tip?"
2544. CalGal - 12/21/1999 2:59:25 AM
b. They can bill me!
2545. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 2:59:42 AM
EGON
There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
PETER
What?
EGON
Don't cross the streams.
PETER
Why?
EGON
It would be bad.
PETER
I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing. What do you mean, bad?
EGON
Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
RAY
Total protonic reversal.
PETER
All right, that's bad, okay. Important safety tip, don't cross the streams. Thanks, Egon. All right. Ray, take the left. Egon, take the right. Okay, Ray. Give me one eye on the outside... Ray!
2546. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:00:03 AM
B, correct. They can bill me.
2547. CalGal - 12/21/1999 3:02:12 AM
Okay, if that's the Aliens one then we are missing a Lethal weapon question. So I'll say:
H. Whatever the hell gun Riggs has.
2548. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:02:16 AM
Trial:
Nice new take on the quiz format. Too bad I wasn't around earlier, because I would have had fun with a lot of your questions.
2549. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:03:35 AM
H. Yes. Very good, Cal. The gun is a 9mm Berreta. they never specify the exact model, but it's probably a Centurion or a 92F or 92FS or whatever the model was called in '87.
2550. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:04:36 AM
Tough question:
N. What are Travis Bickle's four favorite guns?
2551. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 3:06:27 AM
Ace --
Thanks. I was midly surprised at the small number of participants. I mean, it's not like there's a major holiday coming up or anything to distract folks from the all-important Mote.
2552. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:06:30 AM
(Identify as identified in movie. In other words, the movie doesn't say who the manufacturers are for two of the weapons.)
2553. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:11:55 AM
Eh, nobody is going to get the travis bickle question. (I just saw Taxi Driver tonight.) The guns he buys are: a .44 magnum (though I think they say .45 magnum); a "nickle-plated .38 snubnose" -- a "nice little weapon, nice action, you can bang nails with it all day long and it'll still hit dead center after"; a .25 Colt automatic; and a .380 Walther (James Bond's gun, but they don't say that).
2554. CalGal - 12/21/1999 3:14:29 AM
What are the remaining questions?
2555. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 3:15:20 AM
Oh, man, I was just about to say that!
Right after Hell thawed out again.
2556. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:15:43 AM
Open:
I. What goes really fast and gets really shitty gas mileage? More specific than "an American car."
K. "He gives them eyes, but they cannot see. And neither can ________."
2557. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 3:15:48 AM
Er, that last was in reference to the Travis Bickle post.
2558. CalGal - 12/21/1999 3:16:49 AM
Yeah right. You haven't even seen Jaws.
2559. TrialShark - 12/21/1999 3:17:03 AM
I. I want to say a Chrysler, but I really can't be sure.
2560. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 3:18:11 AM
I. A 600 SUX (Robocop).
K. Superman. He gives them eyes, but they cannot see. And neither can Superman-- not through led (Lex Luthor's line).
nite.
2561. CalGal - 12/21/1999 4:31:35 AM
Well, I'll try my hand at it. Answer and movie:
2562. DocBrown - 12/21/1999 10:05:24 AM
You ended it too fast, Ace! I didn't have a chance to answer.
BTW I think the big, fast American car that gets shitty gas mileage was the 6000 SUX, not 600.
2563. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 10:07:15 AM
Doc:
Yes, you're right, that was a typo on my part.
2564. DocBrown - 12/21/1999 10:08:25 AM
Um, Cal, your movies seem a little on the violent side. I take it none of them are chick flicks? ;-)
I don't think I have seen any of them.
2565. AceofSpades - 12/21/1999 10:12:05 AM
One of these four just doesn't belong: Richard Jaeckel, Charles Bronson, Lee Marvin, and John Cassavetes -- Cassavetes. The others live in the Dirty Dozen.
Where did Sheriff Langston's jurisdiction stop today? "Here." John Cleese in Silverado.
2566. CalGal - 12/21/1999 12:03:12 PM
Ace has 5 and 6.
Doc--do I seem like the sort who likes chick flicks?
2567. DocBrown - 12/21/1999 12:28:09 PM
That would be a NO CalGal.
2568. OhioSTOPAS - 12/21/1999 4:11:19 PM
Is #1 from "M*A*S*H"?
2569. Raskolnikov - 12/21/1999 4:14:52 PM
"Why won't Martin kill Bert, according to both him and Grocer?"
Grosse Pointe Blank. Either he is in love with Bert's daughter or he has found a newfound respect for human life.
"Why didn't Mallory kill Anna?"
This is Guns of Navarone, but I forget the reason.
2570. CalGal - 12/21/1999 4:19:51 PM
Ohio has the movie in #1.
Rask has 4, as well as the movie for 8. Rask, you should know the answer to the question as well. God knows I go on and on about this particular point often enough.
2571. Raskolnikov - 12/21/1999 4:22:48 PM
I know I should know the answer, but I forget. I last watched the film two years ago, and my complain has always been that it is pretty boring, so I have trouble remembering the details.
2572. Raskolnikov - 12/21/1999 4:23:11 PM
Whereas I have most of Grosse Pointe Blank memorized.
2573. CalGal - 12/21/1999 4:31:31 PM
2574. CalGal - 12/21/1999 4:32:05 PM
Yes, but what is the part that I always talk about when I bring up the GoN? Every single time?
2575. DocBrown - 12/21/1999 4:42:32 PM
1) Oh, yeah! Duke could be sent home for punching Hawkeye and nailing Hot-Lips if fair was fair.
2) This GoN question is worded to make it difficult. The tricky question would be why does Mallory hesitate to kill Anna. We never find out if he would eventually do it or not. The real reason he doesn't kill her is because Maria beats him to it!
2576. CalGal - 12/21/1999 4:43:17 PM
Bingo! Doc gets 1 and 8!
2577. CalGal - 12/21/1999 4:51:28 PM
And since I'm the queen of obscurity, I'm going to give hints. But I'm not going to match them up. Hints aren't related to the question, only to the movie.
A fervent declaration gets a great answer: "I don't care!"
Apparently, only cops can drive backwards in a narrow alley.
One of Eddie Albert's biggest screen roles.
Who was captain of the Enterprise after Captain Kirk, chronologically speaking?
2578. DocBrown - 12/21/1999 4:51:33 PM
Oops! Guns of Navarone question was #8, not 2.
GoN has a very special place in my heart. My parents tell me that there may be a direct causal relationship between that movie and my birth.
Movie quickie:
Can anyone tell me what marque of car Redford's version of Jay Gatsby drove? You cannot find the answer in the book, nor on the IMDB.
2579. DocBrown - 12/21/1999 4:56:58 PM
I think Will Decker commanded the Enterprise after Kirk, but this does not help me answer the remaining questions. Or was that not a hint but a question unto itself?
2580. CalGal - 12/21/1999 4:58:52 PM
Oh, that was the first time! Bad hint on my part. I am referring to the time that honest to goodness, truly, Kirk retired and they came out with the "new" Enterprise. This is a very obscure hint, but if you think about who played the part of the Captain, then think about other movies he was in, it works as a hint.
The movie, in this case, is very obvious. So I made the questions tougher.
2581. CalGal - 12/22/1999 2:47:08 AM
TS, where are you?
1. "Fair's fair, Colonel...if I punch Hawkeye and nail Hotlips, can I go home too?" (Ohio, DocBrown)
2. Jack and Andre shot Bobby because he was wearing Remy's coat. (The Big Easy.)
3. "Newman, what're you doing?" "I'm thinking." "Well, think me up a cup of coffee and a chocolate doughnut with some of those little sprinkles on top, while you're thinking." (The Fugitive)
4. Why won't Martin kill Bert? Either he is in love with Bert's daughter or he has found a newfound respect for human life. (Raskolnikov)
5. Cassavetes was killed in The Dirty Dozen (Ace)
6. "Today, my jurisdiction stops right here." John Cleese in Silverado (Ace)
7. The loathsome, disgusting, arsonist Unger. (The Longest Yard)
8. In one of the most bitchin' scenes ever, Irene Pappas shoots Gia Scala before Gregory Peck has to. (Rask, Doc Brown)
9. "Fuck ME!" says Keanu, seeing the bomb on the bus. "Oh darn" translates Alan Ruck, the admitted "yokel" on tour.
2582. CalGal - 12/22/1999 2:55:47 AM
Christmas Movie Trivia:
Her mother told this child actress all about the death of her favorite puppy, and all the blood, so that she could effectively emote for one of the most famous Christmas "murder" scenes in movie history.
Name the actress and the movie.
2583. AceofSpades - 12/22/1999 8:56:01 AM
Jude Lockhart, Old Yeller.
2584. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:31:05 AM
Another song lyrics quiz -- this one with comedy songs. Identify artist and song title for the following:
1. He's just as proud as he can be
Of his anatomy
And he's gonna give us a peek.
2. While we're attacking frontally
Watch Brink-e-ley and Hunt-i-ley
Describing contrapunt-i-ly
the cities we have lost.
3. Have a banana
Have a whole bunch
It doesn't matter
What you had for lunch.
4. My new lovers all seem so tame
(They will not let me strangle them).
(extra credit -- the "artist" for this song is the bandleader -- identify the singer)
5. They don't play baseball
They don't wear sweaters
They're not good dancers
They don't play drums.
6. All the counselors hate the waiters
And the lake has alligators
And the Head coach wants no sissies
So he reads to us from something called Ulysses
7. "You're so skittish --who possibly could care if you do?"
"The Un-British Activities Committee --that's who."
8. Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his dram.
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart
"I drink, therefore I am."
2585. DocBrown - 12/22/1999 9:32:49 AM
Ouch, CalGal. It would have taken a while to come to Alan Ruck, or even Generations based on that clue. Nice tie in, though.
No guesses on the big yellow car from The Great Gatsby?
Hint: it's not an obscure, defunct name like Minerva or Peerless. Gatsby's car is still a household name even going into the 21st century.
2586. AceofSpades - 12/22/1999 9:32:54 AM
4: Eat it, Weird Al
8: Philosopher's Song, Monty Python/Neil Innes, Live at the Hollywood Bowl
2587. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:33:57 AM
Ace,
Right on both, although I've also seen 8 called "The Bruces Song."
2588. bubbaette - 12/22/1999 9:34:08 AM
6. -- Camp Granada?
2589. DocBrown - 12/22/1999 9:34:45 AM
1) Ray Stevens, "The Streak!"
3) Wierd Al Yankovich, "Eat It"
2590. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:34:50 AM
bubbaette,
You're thinking of the right song, but that's not the title.
2591. bubbaette - 12/22/1999 9:35:26 AM
Hello mudda, hello fadda?
2592. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:35:40 AM
Doc Brown
1. is right. 3 is right, but I gave credit to Ace. 4 is still open, not 3.
2593. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:36:05 AM
bubbaette
Right title. Who's the artist.
2594. OhioSTOPAS - 12/22/1999 9:36:32 AM
I think 2 is a Tom Lehrer song.
2595. bubbaette - 12/22/1999 9:36:59 AM
Allen Sherman?
2596. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:37:20 AM
Ohio,
It is.
2597. OhioSTOPAS - 12/22/1999 9:37:35 AM
Allan Sherman sang "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah".
2598. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:37:47 AM
bubbaette,
Alan, not Allen, but yes.
2599. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:43:59 AM
Status so far:
1. Ray Stevens, The Streak (DocBrown)
2. Tom Lehrer, ??? (half credit to OhioSTOPAS)
3. Weird Al Yankovic, Eat It (Ace)
4. No answer
5. No answer
6. Alan Sherman, Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah (bubbaette)
7. No answer
8. Monty Python, Australian Philosopher's Song/Bruce's Song (Ace)
2600. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:46:01 AM
Comedy Song lyrics quiz at 2584.
2601. DocBrown - 12/22/1999 9:55:30 AM
2) Could this be Lehrer's WWIII war song, "Goodbye mom, I'm off to drop the bomb"?
2602. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 9:57:14 AM
DocBrown,
Very, very close, but no cigar.
2603. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 9:59:33 AM
That's "So Long, Mom."
2604. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 10:01:04 AM
Irv,
Correct. So Long Mom (I'm Off to Drop the Bomb).
2605. DocBrown - 12/22/1999 10:08:57 AM
5 I know the song is "Fish Heads" but I cannot come up with the artist.
2606. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 10:09:43 AM
DocBrown,
You are correct.
2607. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 10:39:36 AM
Hints on remaining questions (quiz is at 2584):
4. The singer subsequently was the voice of Boris Badenov on Rocky and Bullwinkle. He's imitating Peter Lorre here.
5. The artists are a pair of brothers.
7. The quoted passage is Thomas Jefferson trying to convince Ben Franklin to sign the Declaration of Independence.
2608. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 10:59:30 AM
Dan:
Let me know when you're ready for another quiz. I have one ready to go, but I don't want to step on any toes.
2609. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:02:20 AM
Irv,
I'd like to let it run until at least noon EST (about 1 hour), as I'd like some of the Left Coasters to have a chance. I'll post answers before I go to lunch.
2610. DocBrown - 12/22/1999 11:03:02 AM
I can speed thing up a bit, Irv. Dan's hint on 4 gave it away so much I felt guilty answering. It was "My Old Flame" by Spike Jones. Such genius!
2611. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:04:02 AM
DocBrown,
Correct. Any guess for the extra credit?
2612. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:04:42 AM
Arrgh, Dan, that's 1 AM for me.
Would you mind if I posted it now and we had two quizzes going? Mine is only 5 questions.
2613. bubbaette - 12/22/1999 11:05:24 AM
5. The Smothers Brothers?
2614. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:05:54 AM
Irv,
Go ahead, then. To all. please identify whether your answers are for Irv's quiz or mine.
2615. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:06:15 AM
bubbaette,
No.
2616. AceofSpades - 12/22/1999 11:07:10 AM
Irv:
Label your questions by Letter. A, B, C, etc.
2617. OhioSTOPAS - 12/22/1999 11:09:43 AM
Dan: Is #4 Jay Ward?
2618. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:11:27 AM
Ohio,
No, Jay Ward was the producer of Rocky and Bullwinkle, but was not, to my knowledge, any of the voices.
2619. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:12:11 AM
To take a cue from Dan’s quiz, and give it a seasonal twist, here is a Christmas comedy song quiz...
Christmas Song Quiz
A.
There’s something stuck up in the chimney and I don’t know what it is
But it’s been there all year long
I’ll be waiting up for Santa like I did last year
But my brother says he’s already here
And he’s stuck up in the chimney and he doesn’t say a word
And he’ll be there every Christmas
And we’ll have him every Christmas
B.
All I want for Christmas is more, more, more
More than a duck ever got before
Gimme kaboodles and oodles and oodles
And soon all my loot’ll slide out the door
I hope Santa brings a real truckload
It won’t all fit into his sleigh
This Christmas I want a real duckload
To put the haul in holiday
(This tune also includes the great line “Never look a gift horse in the mouth, especially without a mint to offer.”)
C.
So, let the raucous sleigh bells jingle
Hail our dear old friend Kris Kringle
Driving his reindeer across the sky
Don’t stand underneath when they fly by
D.
Teddy the red-nosed senator
Had a very shiny car
And if you ever saw it
You were probably near a bar
All of the other senators
Wondered how he got his dames
They thought he drank too many
To play in any bedroom games
E.
Hooray for Captain Santa Claus and his reindeer space patrol
His sleigh broke down one Christmas eve as he started from the pole
He said those children’s hearts will break if I don’t make this trip
But Santa’s helpers saved the day when they built a rocket ship
Then with his reindeer space cadets, he took off through the air
And not one chimney did they miss, every stocking got its share
Now children dance with glee around the tree each time they’re told
The tale of Captain Santa Claus and his reindeer space patrol
2620. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:13:09 AM
C. Tom Lehrer's Christmas Carol
2621. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:15:05 AM
I was pretty sure you'd nail that one, Dan. Well done.
2622. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:27:09 AM
Have I stumped everyone? Sheesh... how many singing ducks are there? A and D are by the same artist, though on different albums. E dates back to the 60s, and probably wasted meant to sound as ridiculous as it does today.
2623. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:28:01 AM
"wasn't," not "wasted." It's bedtime.
2624. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:28:45 AM
Irv,
B is certainly Daffy duck, but I don't know the title.
D I was going to guess Capitol Steps, but your hint suggests not.
2625. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:36:55 AM
Dan:
It's Daffy all right, and the title is the obvious "All I Want for Christmas is More, More, More." It's from the "Have Yourself a Looney Tunes Christmas" album, which my kids got a few years ago, but I enjoy more than they do.
2626. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 11:40:00 AM
Reminder -- live comedy song lyrics quiz -- questions at post 2584, hints at 2607.
Remaining questions:
4. Extra credit -- DocBrown idenitfied song as "My Old Flame" by Spike Jones, need singer.
5. DocBrown identified title as Fish Heads, need artist.
7. No answer.
2627. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 12:04:56 PM
Further hint on 7: the artist had a recurring character on the Roseanne TV show.
2628. arkymalarky - 12/22/1999 12:20:09 PM
Must be Martin Mull, then.
2629. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 12:38:25 PM
arky,
No it isn't.
2630. Dantheman - 12/22/1999 12:55:22 PM
Remaining answers:
4. Extra Credit -- Paul Frees.
5. Barnes & Barnes.
7. Stan Freberg, "A Man Can't Be Too Careful What He Signs These Days." (he had a recurring role on Roseanne as a person who kept getting fired from various jobs due to her complaints)
2631. EricCartman - 12/22/1999 5:04:52 PM
Spam alert!
Spreads are up in the Mote Football Pool! Only two weeks left to play in the regular season. There's a Friday game and a Saturday game, so get your picks in!
2633. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:00:05 PM
Looks as if my quiz was just too hard for you people. Or else no one is around these days.
The remaining answers:
A and D are by Bob Rivers (Twisted radio). He has three Christmas albums, which I highly recommend.
E is by Bobby Helms, who is better known for "Jingle Bell Rock."
2634. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/22/1999 11:48:27 PM
Here's another general knowledge quiz, if anyone happens to be around...
Another Quiz
1. Where is the Gulf of Carpentaria?
2. Before "Uncle Sam," "Brother—who?" served to personify the United States?
3. Of what is trachoma a disease?
4. Which is Italy's longest river?
5. What's the salt-water seaport of the Canadian province of Manitoba?
6. Who was the translator (into English) of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam?
7. Where was it that Samson berought the temple down on his captors and himself?
8. One who opposes the veneration of, and destroys, religious images is called—what?
9. Any unfaceted gemstone, with a curved polished convex surface, is called—a what?
10. Fish, believed to have been extinct for countless centuries, have been caught off the coast of Africa. What fish?
2635. CalGal - 12/23/1999 12:04:23 AM
3. The eye--it's like chlymidia of the eye, or something icky.
2636. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/23/1999 12:09:39 AM
CalGal:
Correct on #3. What about all those other questions, just waiting to be answered?
2637. CalGal - 12/23/1999 12:10:56 AM
4. the Po?
2638. CalGal - 12/23/1999 12:14:05 AM
Well, I'm trying to clean up the decorating detritus in my living room at the same time.
7. It was the temple of the Philistines, yes?
2639. CalGal - 12/23/1999 12:15:00 AM
8. Desecrator
2640. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/23/1999 12:17:43 AM
CalGal:
Correct on # 4 (the Po).
For the Samson question, I'm looking for the geographic location.
2641. CalGal - 12/23/1999 12:17:58 AM
1. It's one of those Antipodean places, isn't it? I'll try Australia.
2642. CalGal - 12/23/1999 12:23:50 AM
Gaza, maybe? There are all those little names over in that area.
2643. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/23/1999 12:26:24 AM
No, not desecrator... I'm thinking of a more specific term.
2644. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/23/1999 12:29:30 AM
Well done.
1. It's the enormous indentation in the north coast of Australia between the York Peninsula and Arnhem Land.
7. Gaza (Ghuzzeh).
2645. ScottLoar - 12/23/1999 12:44:41 AM
10. Sounds like ka-ly-o-sinth (second and third vowels long) and spelled like chalyocinth or somesuch. First brought up by fisherman off the deep trench of Madagascar in, I think, 1935.
2646. ScottLoar - 12/23/1999 12:46:25 AM
The answers to your other questions are just outside immediate memory.
2647. ScottLoar - 12/23/1999 12:47:21 AM
Which doesn't count, I know.
2648. TrialShark - 12/23/1999 12:50:07 AM
Scott --
Do you mean coelacanth?
2649. ScottLoar - 12/23/1999 12:53:15 AM
My dictionary says you're right and gives the discovery date as 1938.
2650. TrialShark - 12/23/1999 1:04:16 AM
Easy one. It's my daughter's favorite fish.
BTW, it's pronounced "see-la-kanth."
2651. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/23/1999 1:04:29 AM
I'm going to award the points for that one to ScottLoar, with an assist from TrialShark.
I always thought it was found off the coast of South Africa, but I suppose that's near enough to Madagascar that it could have been either one.
2652. EricCartman - 12/23/1999 1:18:35 AM
8. Iconoclast
2653. AceofSpades - 12/23/1999 1:19:36 AM
8. Iconoclast: Icon, duh, =icon, clast = break/breaker
2654. AceofSpades - 12/23/1999 1:20:18 AM
motherfucker
2655. EricCartman - 12/23/1999 1:20:54 AM
5. Churchill?
6. Fitzgerald
2656. AceofSpades - 12/23/1999 1:22:18 AM
6. Sir Richard Burton?
2657. Indiana Jones - 12/23/1999 1:31:53 AM
6. T.E. Lawrence (of Arabia)
2658. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/23/1999 6:18:18 AM
Quiz recap:
1. CalGal (Australia)
3. CalGal (the eye)
4. CalGal (Po)
5. Cartman (Churchill)
6. Cartman (Edward FitzGerald)
7. CalGal (Gaza)
8. Cartman, beating out Ace by 61 seconds (iconoclast)
10. ScottLoar, with an assist from TrialShark (coelacanth)
Which leaves the following up for grabs:
2. Before "Uncle Sam," "Brother—who?" served to personify the United States?
9. Any unfaceted gemstone, with a curved polished convex surface, is called—a what?
2659. ScottLoar - 12/23/1999 6:29:49 AM
Trialshark: Easy one. It's (coelacanth) my daughter's favorite fish.
What's it taste like?
2660. DanDillon - 12/23/1999 11:20:59 AM
2. Before "Uncle Sam," "Brother—who?" served to personify the United States?
Brother Jonathan
9. Any unfaceted gemstone, with a curved polished convex surface, is called—a what?
Iridescent (a guess)
2661. CalGal - 12/23/1999 11:25:49 AM
Ha! I thought it was her favorite for some sort of dinosaur reason. I never thought you could eat it.
2662. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/23/1999 11:47:06 AM
Dan:
Correct on #2.
#9 is still up for grabs.
2663. DanDillon - 12/23/1999 11:58:48 AM
(I figured you weren't looking for an adjective for #9, given that you prompted answers with "—a what?". My grasp of English syntax should have disqualified my guess and garnered scorn from the quizzer.)
2664. TrialShark - 12/23/1999 1:58:02 PM
Scott --
What's it (coelacanth) taste like?
Oddly enough, it tastes like chicken.
Don't tell me you didn't see that coming.
2665. CalGal - 12/23/1999 2:07:09 PM
Hey, TS--I'm assuming you're going home early today, but if not, email me if you can do lunch (or next week, if you're free). I'm posting because three emails over the past week haven't got to your hotmail account.
Also, there are posts you might want to read in both Current Events and The Mote Cafe.
2666. ScottLoar - 12/23/1999 2:43:46 PM
TrialShark,
I would have thought it tasted somewhat between spotted owl and California condor.
2667. TrialShark - 12/23/1999 3:05:38 PM
Cal --
I'm not going home -- I'm at home. I took a couple of boxes of documents to review. Around Christmas time, no one really minds if you're not in the office. But bottom line is today is not viable. Next week works.
Sorry I haven't checked my Hotmail account lately. I'll do so forthwith.
I assume your comment about the Mote Cafe and Current Events threads was referring to the posts about lawyers. Since this is the Quiz thread, try your luck with this one:
In all human history, how many stories and/or jokes have been invented about lawyers?
2668. CalGal - 12/23/1999 3:21:02 PM
Actually, the one in Mote Cafe was about Mainers and Californians.
I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing One. With a punchline.
2669. TrialShark - 12/23/1999 3:30:21 PM
Cal --
Close, but as the President might have said (or at least should have said), no cigar.
The answer is "none." Everything you've heard is true.
2670. CalGal - 12/23/1999 3:31:49 PM
Well, I got the punchline part right.
And did you see my take on your quiz format? You weren't around for it!
2671. TrialShark - 12/23/1999 5:30:18 PM
Cal --
Sorry I missed it. Mrs Shark's folks are visiting, and my Internet time is rather limited at the moment. I'll look for the next one ... and try to come up with some more "Cine Obscura" questions.
2672. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/24/1999 2:18:03 AM
2673. Candide - 12/27/1999 3:58:35 PM Hoho. That's my country. The abusive government minister was the Minister for Health and he actually telephoned the elderly citizen in order to call him a "nitwit f---ing loser" after the elderly citizen had written him a reasonably abusive letter complaining because he had received a circular for 'senior citizens' from the minister's department assuming he was frail and in need, when in fact he was a rich entrepreneurial bastard and proud of it. 2674. TrialShark - 12/27/1999 6:16:22 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FOUR 2675. OhioSTOPAS - 12/27/1999 7:46:25 PM No. 6: Brother would salute Real Jimmy. George Bailey's brother in "It's a Wonderful Life" was a war hero, but not a high-ranking officer. Real Jimmy Stewart was a WWII pilot, probably at least a Captain. 2676. OhioSTOPAS - 12/27/1999 7:49:36 PM If I were EricCartman (the Motie, that is, not Eric Cartman of "South Park"), I'd answer no. 1 like this: 2677. TrialShark - 12/27/1999 8:02:52 PM 2678. CalGal - 12/27/1999 8:42:19 PM 2. Wesley--The Princess Bride 2679. CalGal - 12/27/1999 9:26:49 PM Phew. Back, and no one has guessed any more. 2680. EricCartman - 12/28/1999 1:09:08 AM Ohio Message # 2676: 2681. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:09:16 AM 2682. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:10:13 AM 2683. CalGal - 12/28/1999 1:15:53 AM 6. Okay, I'll guess the bro. 2684. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:21:08 AM 2685. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:23:13 AM 2686. CalGal - 12/28/1999 1:25:56 AM 4. I have been wracking my brains for the last two hours and then I realized that I was thinking of Hoagie Carmichael. Once I focus on the right guy, I'm still not familiar enough with his movies to know for sure--but I'm gonna guess Gremlins? 2687. EricCartman - 12/28/1999 1:29:07 AM Shark: 2688. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:30:31 AM 2689. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:30:58 AM 2690. CalGal - 12/28/1999 1:31:01 AM ACK!!!! 2691. CalGal - 12/28/1999 1:31:36 AM Plenty O'Toole was the one in Diamonds are Forever, wasn't she? 2692. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:32:38 AM CINE OBSCURA, PART FOUR 2693. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:33:23 AM 2694. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:34:07 AM 2695. EricCartman - 12/28/1999 1:36:19 AM Shark: 2696. EricCartman - 12/28/1999 1:37:28 AM Umm, that should be "Hoyt Axton (#4)". 2697. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:38:02 AM 2698. CalGal - 12/28/1999 1:40:42 AM Oh, I forgot. Hardware Wars. 2699. CalGal - 12/28/1999 1:42:40 AM I am more knowledgeable about Spaceballs, myself. But Spawn always goes around saying "You'll laugh, you'll cry!" and sees what he can substitute for "three bucks" that will incite his mother's ire. 2700. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:42:54 AM 2701. CalGal - 12/28/1999 1:47:15 AM Hell, all I did was type. 2702. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:50:34 AM CINE OBSCURA, PART FOUR 2703. AceofSpades - 12/28/1999 11:33:28 AM 2704. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 11:36:13 AM 2705. AceofSpades - 12/28/1999 11:38:20 AM 2706. AceofSpades - 12/28/1999 11:41:04 AM 2707. AceofSpades - 12/28/1999 11:41:41 AM 2708. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 12:45:06 PM 2709. AceofSpades - 12/28/1999 1:01:37 PM 2710. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 1:31:00 PM 2711. CalGal - 12/28/1999 5:42:22 PM 8. I'm gonna guess The Right Stuff. 2712. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 6:41:16 PM 2713. CalGal - 12/28/1999 6:45:08 PM Ha, ha. 2714. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 7:01:05 PM 2715. CalGal - 12/28/1999 7:06:36 PM Razzer frazzer. Unless it's a trick question, I don't know the answer. 2716. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 7:14:04 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FOUR 2717. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 7:15:24 PM 2718. CalGal - 12/28/1999 7:31:12 PM I give up. You're a cruel man, and you didn't even take my quiz. 2719. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 7:48:44 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FOUR 2720. CalGal - 12/28/1999 7:57:44 PM God damn it. I knew that, too. He stops to listen and they look at him like, who the fuck are you? 2721. TrialShark - 12/28/1999 8:01:13 PM 2722. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 3:12:35 AM CINE OBSCURA, PART FIVE 2723. KuligintheHooligan - 12/29/1999 8:24:57 AM Then I thought to myself, "Why not post in every thread?" 2724. CalGal - 12/29/1999 10:43:09 AM 5. Star Trek V. Because he's not God. 2725. CalGal - 12/29/1999 10:44:38 AM 8. Nothing dirty. Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, and thank you SO much for reminding me. Bleah. 2726. CalGal - 12/29/1999 10:45:24 AM 7. Lou Diamond Phillips. Courage Under Fire. 2727. CalGal - 12/29/1999 10:46:52 AM 9. Because he got nailed by nuclear radiation instead? 2728. CalGal - 12/29/1999 10:48:04 AM 3. 1978, San Francisco. Time After Time. What? Hmm. 2729. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 10:49:12 AM 2730. CalGal - 12/29/1999 10:49:21 AM 10. The same as it costs to rent it. ($2 million, I think?) Clear and Present Danger 2731. CalGal - 12/29/1999 10:53:07 AM 1. Air Force One? 2732. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:04:51 AM 2733. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:09:56 AM 2734. 109109 - 12/29/1999 11:17:08 AM D. "Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish Ladies, farewell and adieu ye fair ladies of Spain." 2735. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:20:26 AM 2736. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:21:28 AM 2737. Dantheman - 12/29/1999 11:21:58 AM S. The Princess Bride -- Miracle Max and Fezzik 2738. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:22:32 AM 2739. Dantheman - 12/29/1999 11:22:54 AM R. Trading Places -- it's being said to Eddie Murphy's character. 2740. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:24:13 AM 2741. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:25:44 AM 2742. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 11:26:54 AM 2743. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:31:56 AM 2744. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:34:35 AM 2745. 109109 - 12/29/1999 11:39:08 AM D. "Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish Ladies, farewell and adieu ye fair ladies of Spain." 2746. 109109 - 12/29/1999 11:40:13 AM Z. "You're dinky dau, man! You're Beaucoups dinky dau!" 2747. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:41:21 AM 2748. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:43:14 AM 2749. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:52:29 AM 2750. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 11:55:04 AM 2751. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 12:14:06 PM 2752. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:28:12 PM 2753. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:28:14 PM I'm here Ace. Give me a minute. 2754. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:28:59 PM 2755. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:30:38 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FIVE 2756. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:32:52 PM A. "Sushi. That's what my wife calls me. Cold fish." 2757. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:34:11 PM Is the "married...married" exchange from Die Hard? The Chauffeur talking to Willis? 2758. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:36:14 PM 2759. 109109 - 12/29/1999 12:37:14 PM 3. What would David Warner start over with and when? 2760. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:37:22 PM O. "It was Burke." 2761. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:39:37 PM 2762. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:41:05 PM 2763. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:42:02 PM 2764. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 12:47:59 PM CINE OBSCURA QUOTES 2765. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 12:48:08 PM 2766. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:51:48 PM 2767. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:52:23 PM 2768. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 12:52:51 PM 2769. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 12:54:19 PM 2770. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:54:50 PM V. --"...but now that your mother has invited me in, I'll be dropping by whenever I like. ...If that's okay with your mother, of course." OPEN. Think: Vampires. 2771. CalGal - 12/29/1999 12:55:55 PM Dammit, these quizzes are too long and hard to read, Ace. 2772. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:56:26 PM T is not from Ferris. Both the Confidence is High line and the Prophylactic line are from the same Brodderick film. 2773. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 12:56:38 PM 2774. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:58:06 PM There must be a line similar in Lost Boys. Then its Chris Sarandon in Fright Night. 2775. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 12:58:56 PM 2776. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:59:12 PM Fright Night rocked. It descended into gore during the last half hour, but prior to that it was terrific. 2777. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 12:59:44 PM 2778. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 12:59:57 PM Hey, *I* got the sushi quote. 2779. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:01:13 PM 2780. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:03:03 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FIVE 2781. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:05:08 PM 2782. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:05:50 PM 2783. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:10:10 PM 2784. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:11:43 PM 2785. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:12:14 PM 2786. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:13:56 PM "Great flick. "Descended to gore"? What a pussy." 2787. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:16:39 PM 2788. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:17:08 PM 2789. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:17:31 PM 2790. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:19:04 PM 2791. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:20:52 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FIVE 2792. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:21:24 PM 2793. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:21:25 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FIVE 2794. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:21:42 PM Ace: I haven't watched either film in over a decade. I may be misusing "gore" for "gross". I remember the vampire deaths as all being pretty icky, and not very scary. This is a common problem with a lot of horror movies, in that they rely on an action movie ending. 2795. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:22:36 PM 2796. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:22:58 PM 2797. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:24:07 PM 2798. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:24:28 PM 2799. Ronski - 12/29/1999 1:24:50 PM The great weakness of Bela Lugosi's Dracula is of course the fact that he is dispatched without a fight. Then again, subsequent films in which the vampire gets to battle the vampire-fighter always make you ask the question why wasn't there better planning on the part of the latter: Did you have to leave for the crypt only ten minutes before sundown? 2800. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:25:47 PM 2801. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:28:33 PM 2802. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:29:35 PM The Lugosi film is also just too campy. The flashlights shining on Lugosi's eyes, for one thing. He is also too damned creepy. I like the vampire films which sexualize the vampire more. Its one thing I liked about Fright Night. 2803. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:31:49 PM 2804. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:32:17 PM "PS: I'm sick of this "Half-Vampire/Full Vampire" bullshit, personally. There's always some stupid way to "reverse" the vampiric condition." 2805. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:32:48 PM 2806. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:33:44 PM You can sexualize the vampire without making him sympathetic. Look at Fright Night. That scene where he seduces the girlfriend was pretty good, as I recall. You get the impression that she isn't completely opposed to getting her neck chomped. 2807. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:33:44 PM 2808. Ronski - 12/29/1999 1:35:10 PM 2809. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:35:32 PM Its the whole "Seductiveness of evil" thing. The Vampire story is perfect for it, and it just annoys me that despite 80 years of vampire films, no film has ever done it justice. 2810. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:36:40 PM 2811. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:37:46 PM CINE OBSCURA, PART FIVE 2812. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:40:52 PM 2813. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:41:31 PM "A lot of vampire films present vampires as misunderstood anti-heroes, blatant symbols of free-sexuality in a society of prudes, and I don't like that. Vampires use sex appeal to achieve their ends, yes. But they are ultimately not sexual mavericks. They're predators/parasites that deserve an injection of oak to the aorta. " 2814. 109109 - 12/29/1999 1:42:50 PM Best vampires. 2815. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:45:23 PM 2816. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:46:19 PM I have only seen "Near Dark" on a shitty VHS rental. I intend to give it another chance in the future. I shut off "Vampire's Kiss" soon after Cage ate the cockroach. I think it was the scene where he stood on the desk and began insulting Maria Conchita Alonzo which finally caused me to roll my eyes and give up. But Jennifer Beals was hot. 2817. CalGal - 12/29/1999 1:46:31 PM Bastard. 2818. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:49:46 PM 2819. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:49:52 PM 2820. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:50:05 PM "Indeed. No matter how well-educated a charming a vampire may be, and no matter how p.c. homoerotic/gay friendly a story may be, vampires are *murderers*, and someone who mistakes them for the "good guys" is a bit daft. " 2821. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:51:40 PM Cal always calls me a bastard when I remind her of the kid in Salem's Lot... 2822. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 1:54:54 PM I liked a lot of the visual techniques Coppola used, but I later discovered that he cribbed his best one (the independently moving shadows) from Dreyer's "Vampyr". 2823. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 1:54:59 PM 2824. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 1:55:13 PM 2825. Raskolnikov - 12/29/1999 2:00:58 PM Ace: Rice was using Vampires as a way to explore the psychology of people who *do* exist - those who have desires that they know are evil. Whether she did a good job or not is an open question (I only realized what she was doing several years after I read the books in high school, so I can't really evaluate how well she does it), but I don't consider it a meaningless, irrelevant, characterization issue. 2826. CalGal - 12/29/1999 2:05:48 PM Rask, 2827. PelleNilsson - 12/29/1999 2:13:15 PM Trend break. 2828. CalGal - 12/29/1999 2:17:15 PM 12. Upper Volta, which is now, dammit dammit dammit! the soup. Pasta fasul, Burkino Faso. Phew. 2829. Ronski - 12/29/1999 2:17:55 PM Two of the better vampire movies were Robert Siodmak's 1943 Son of Dracula, notable for its noir atmosphere and use of romance by Dracula merely as an intended cover for genuine evil (it starred, among others, Lon Chaney, Jr., who did not do too bad a job with the role, though he was not much of an actor, and Louise Albritton who retired from film in the 40s after marrying CBS News correspondent Charles Collingwood)... 2830. CalGal - 12/29/1999 2:18:52 PM 8. Botswana? It's somewhere south of Kenya, I forget all those new places. 2831. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 2:20:26 PM 2832. Ronski - 12/29/1999 3:13:36 PM Karelia, land of the Karels, a people closely related to Finns (Suomi) and less closely to Lapps (Sami), was the sixteenth Soviet Socialist Republic until it was demoted (by Stalin, I believe) to another constituent republic in the Russian Federated Republic, where, without communism, it remains today, despite occasional grumblings about independence. Soviet treatment of the Karels was less harsh than that of the Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, though many Karels fled to Finland and Russians probably outnumer Karels in Karelia nowadays. 2833. Ronski - 12/29/1999 3:14:30 PM 2834. CalGal - 12/29/1999 3:18:38 PM 11. The Oder and Neisse are rivers in Poland. This was a boundary dispute with Russia after WWII. The US and other winners agreed to give some part of Poland to Russia--although why they were entitled to part of Poland I never understood. The US had a different dividing line in mind, but I believe the Soviets won the argument. 2835. AceofSpades - 12/29/1999 3:24:19 PM 2836. Ronski - 12/29/1999 3:24:45 PM Rumelia is an area of southwest Bulgaria once proposed as a separate state, and fought over in the Balkan wars which preceded WWI. 2837. theDiva - 12/29/1999 3:25:12 PM 7. Present-day N'djamena, capital of Chad, was once known as Fort-Lamy. 2838. Ronski - 12/29/1999 3:25:39 PM 2839. theDiva - 12/29/1999 3:26:00 PM 2. Isn't Bessarabia near the Black Sea, and the Ukraine? 2840. Ronski - 12/29/1999 3:40:19 PM The Oder-Neisse line served (and still does) as the border between Germany and Poland following WW2, and was roughly where the Russian troops stopped their march. Churchill would have preferred that the Russians be met far to the East, but FDR said no, perhaps thinking that Stalin was indeed a simple agrarian reformer. 2841. PelleNilsson - 12/29/1999 3:40:50 PM Ougadougo is the capital of Burkina Faso, formerly Upper Volta. Let's give CalGal the benefit of doubt and assume that's what she meant. 2842. CalGal - 12/29/1999 3:44:27 PM Well, of course that is what I meant. I have known that Ouagadougo was the capital of Upper Volta since I was eight years old. It is exactly the sort of capital name that all African countries should have. Very oogabooga. I was quite annoyed when they changed the name of the damn country and I had to reset my memory banks. 2843. Ronski - 12/29/1999 3:44:56 PM Pelle, 2844. PelleNilsson - 12/29/1999 3:47:07 PM I forgot about the Oder-Neisse. CalGal has the location right but not the purpose. 2845. Ronski - 12/29/1999 3:58:28 PM I suppose I should add that Slavonia is the Eastermost portion of Croatia. It figured prominently in the Yugoslav breakup because though historically part of Croatia it has had for some time a large Serbian population, less so lately since many Serbs were driven out by the fighting there. 2846. TrialShark - 12/29/1999 4:14:42 PM 2847. PelleNilsson - 12/29/1999 4:16:17 PM Ronski exels again. The Oder-Neisse line is indeed the present border between Germany and Poland. Poland moved west after WW2 taking over parts of Prussia, including for example the city of Breslau, now Wroclaw. A follow-up of this line of thought will yield the Curzon line as well. 2848. PelleNilsson - 12/29/1999 5:14:36 PM I see that Bunter has finished ironing my silk pyjama so I guess it's time to retire. 2849. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/29/1999 9:01:02 PM How nice to wake up to a Geography quiz. 2850. IrvingSnodgrass - 12/29/1999 9:10:16 PM 1. I don't know where Beagle Sound is, but Darwin, Australia is located on Beagle Gulf. Given your clue, I'll guess Beagle Sound is in the Galapagos Islands, since Darwin's ship was the Beagle, and that was the most important place it visited. 2851. PelleNilsson - 12/30/1999 2:20:12 AM Answers to the quiz: 2852. PelleNilsson - 12/30/1999 2:21:16 AM 9. Karelia 2853. EricCartman - 12/31/1999 4:24:37 AM Ace Message # 2732: 2854. AceofSpades - 1/1/2000 12:27:25 PM 2855. EricCartman - 1/1/2000 6:51:39 PM Ace: 2856. Indiana Jones - 1/8/2000 8:23:31 PM Ring quiz 2857. theDiva - 1/8/2000 8:36:53 PM 2. Yaounde 2858. ScottLoar - 1/8/2000 8:39:48 PM 1. trey 2859. ScottLoar - 1/8/2000 8:48:36 PM 10. Deng Xiaoping (but there are variant romanizations of the name)? Reasoning: Stalin is to Mao - tyrants - as Kruschev is to Deng - successors and defamers of the personality cults. 2860. theDiva - 1/8/2000 8:51:54 PM 8. lute? 2861. ScottLoar - 1/8/2000 8:52:54 PM 3. debut? 2862. ScottLoar - 1/8/2000 8:57:09 PM Even the slightest confirmation that some guesses are correct would be a great help since subsequent answers depend on the accuracy of that preceding. 2863. SnowOwl - 1/8/2000 9:01:43 PM 6. cotton mouth 2864. theDiva - 1/8/2000 9:01:44 PM Scott 2865. ScottLoar - 1/8/2000 9:04:16 PM Very good SnowOwl, very good. 2866. SnowOwl - 1/8/2000 9:23:06 PM Thanks Scott. I'm in the dark about this quiz. I'd go for Richard Nixon for No. 10 though. Reasoning: Kruschev to the West is an architect of detente, similar to Nixon's role in the opening up of China. (I don't think I'm right with the answer, but I like it anyway). 2867. theDiva - 1/8/2000 9:29:14 PM Okay, Jones, posting a nearly impossible quiz and then disappearing for an hour is a pinchable offense. 2868. SnowOwl - 1/8/2000 10:10:16 PM Okay, I'm changing something... 2869. cmboyce - 1/8/2000 11:09:34 PM Then the "..te" of chordate could lead to "Teng Jiao Ping" or however that might be spelled in the Wade-Giles transcription, then "ing" becomes "inglese" at #1, and #3 must designate an Italian. But what the "de" of Yaounde can give in the way of an Italian, I don't know. 2870. cmboyce - 1/8/2000 11:12:56 PM Cornwall's last stop should be "Land's End" or possibly "Isles of Scilly". Though what good that is, is hard to say. 2871. Indiana Jones - 1/8/2000 11:16:53 PM Sheesh. This thread had dropped to last place, I try to liven it up a bit, then get in trouble for taking a break to watch "Walker, Texas Ranger." Okay, here's the status: 2872. Indiana Jones - 1/8/2000 11:17:42 PM Land's End is correct. 2873. cmboyce - 1/8/2000 11:17:50 PM Come to think of it, how the "ese" of "Inglese" could yield "Yaounde" is a bit of a problem, too, isn't it? 2874. Indiana Jones - 1/8/2000 11:19:49 PM 1. English for #3 2875. cmboyce - 1/8/2000 11:20:09 PM #3: De Angela? (But who's that?) 2876. theDiva - 1/8/2000 11:23:23 PM Indy 2877. cmboyce - 1/8/2000 11:23:51 PM Dukakis may be Olympia. Did she play opposite an actor, or character, named Adam? 2878. cmboyce - 1/9/2000 12:47:05 AM Well, it seems no one is doing any better than I at this thing. Indiana, I think you'll have to give us a clue or so. I would personally prefer a clue to ## 1 & 3, since I'm sure the Mote's cinerati will pick up the Dukakis one, if my hunch is right. (Though of course it probably isn't. In which case, the hell with Dukakis. The other one was a too much a schnook to be contemplated at this late date!) 2879. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 10:02:00 AM #1 and #3 is a country. #5 refers to Michael Dukakis. 2880. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 10:03:04 AM Diva, I'll answer you on the Movies/Television thread. 2881. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/9/2000 10:42:32 AM 1. Germany 2882. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 10:44:43 AM Germany and Deutschland are correct, leaving just #5. 2883. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 10:49:30 AM Only one letter is missing from #5. 2884. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/9/2000 10:52:15 AM Endicott 2885. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 10:53:37 AM Correct, Irv. (Except I think it's Endecott, first colonial governor of Mass.) 2886. KuligintheHooligan - 1/9/2000 5:16:04 PM Stupid Trivia: 2887. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/9/2000 5:36:46 PM 1) strengths 2888. OhioSTOPAS - 1/9/2000 5:38:43 PM 3) 80 2889. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 8:00:41 PM 2. Tremendous, stupendous 2890. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 8:00:59 PM hazardous 2891. 109109 - 1/9/2000 8:02:00 PM 4) WalkerTexasRanger 2892. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 8:06:42 PM horrendous 2893. Indiana Jones - 1/9/2000 8:08:00 PM Niner--Haha. 2894. CalGal - 1/9/2000 8:12:11 PM 4. stewardesses 2895. KuligintheHooligan - 1/10/2000 3:25:08 AM Wow, you guys are good! 2896. KuligintheHooligan - 1/10/2000 3:26:51 AM Ohwhattheheck, here's one more. 2897. CalGal - 1/10/2000 3:32:29 AM typewriter 2898. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/10/2000 6:10:47 AM Kuligin: 2899. KuligintheHooligan - 1/10/2000 10:24:09 AM CalGal, you and I must have received the same e-mail!! "typewriter" is indeed the correct answer. 2900. DocBrown - 1/10/2000 3:11:21 PM Kuligin, have you ever been to central Kentucky? The locals pronounce "Louisville" as if it were one syllable. 2901. tmachine - 1/10/2000 6:34:10 PM squelched (9 letters) 2902. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:29:49 AM Doc, actually I have been there (used to live in Huntington, WV)!! 2903. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/11/2000 5:27:41 AM Kuligin: 2904. Dantheman - 1/11/2000 9:01:23 AM Kuligin, 2905. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 1:36:30 PM Thanks Dan and Irv. I pronounce it as one syllable. 2906. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/11/2000 1:41:46 PM Kuligin: 2907. Dantheman - 1/11/2000 1:43:55 PM Actually, Webster's lists an alternate spelling with the l doubled, so squirrelled is apparently a 1-syllable word. 2908. tmachine - 1/11/2000 1:57:30 PM I considered squirreled and rejected it as in British English pronunciation it is definitively two syllables, sadly 2909. Raskolnikov - 1/11/2000 2:33:52 PM Here is a quiz (more of a logic problem, actually), that was e-mailed to me. I can't vouch for the authenticity of its claims of origin, but it did take me an hour to solve. It isn't a trick quiz, so the only solution is bulldoze your way through using brainpower. I have seen other puzzles similar to this, but they have always been much shorter. 2910. theDiva - 1/11/2000 2:58:07 PM this a toughie. Fun stuff. 2911. Indiana Jones - 1/11/2000 3:11:47 PM I know, but won't spoil the fun. 2912. theDiva - 1/11/2000 3:12:04 PM dammit, Rask. 2913. theDiva - 1/11/2000 3:12:18 PM I'm already there. 2914. Raskolnikov - 1/11/2000 3:16:01 PM I used Excel as well. I wasted a half hour trying to do it with a pen and paper, and having to start over when I made a mistake, which soon was compounded enough to make a solution impossible. 2915. theDiva - 1/11/2000 3:16:05 PM bang head here. 2916. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:07:58 PM Well, I love logic puzzles like this one. I got the answer, which looks correct since all the pieces fit, in 22 minutes. 2917. theDiva - 1/11/2000 4:09:00 PM showoff. 2918. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:09:31 PM I did it with pen and paper. After eliminating the obvious ones, which I then scratched entirely from the list, it came down to a 50/50 guess on one clue. I guessed wrongly the first time, then correctly the second time and everything else just flowed from there. 2919. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:09:59 PM Deev, perhaps. :-) 2920. theDiva - 1/11/2000 4:10:12 PM well, aren't WE Mr. SmartyPants? 2921. theDiva - 1/11/2000 4:11:20 PM All joking aside, I'm impressed. Gosh, this was tough. I have about half the answers and I am absolutely stumped. 2922. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:11:59 PM In the GRE I took back in 1988, they had similar problems. One involved a cable with 6 different wires, then the clues like the black wire isn't next to the white one, and the red one is on the far right, and so on. Then came the questions, like which wire is #4. 2923. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:12:55 PM Eliminate all givens, the erase those clues so you don't look at them again Deev. 2924. vonKreedon - 1/11/2000 4:13:01 PM Caz claims to have the answer, but its posted in TT's Mote Cafe. 2925. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:14:07 PM Then you are left with a 50-50 guess on one of the clues. Take a guess and work from there. 2926. Candide - 1/11/2000 4:14:23 PM KuligantheHooligan. 2927. theDiva - 1/11/2000 4:14:36 PM Can't spend any more time on it, I have a MEETING to attend. 2928. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:16:55 PM Candide, no, you can use the same letter more than once. The 10-letter word was already given in this thread, by CalGal. 2929. Raskolnikov - 1/11/2000 4:20:29 PM A tip: focus first on the combination of house order with color. It is the section with the most information, and you can complete it pretty quickly, getting 3 out of the 5. (I think this is what Kuligan is referring to when he talks about making a 50/50 guess - or you can use the other clues to finish that section off, which is what I did.) With that section done, it provides a lot of information about the rest of the sections, which then go much faster. 2930. Raskolnikov - 1/11/2000 4:21:49 PM Kuligan, I remember that section of the GRE. It was the only thing which made it fun. The problems were a lot simpler than this one, though. Its just that there were more of them. 2931. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:27:52 PM Rask 2932. Candide - 1/11/2000 4:28:58 PM KuligintheHooligan 2933. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:29:34 PM The GRE had if I recall correctly 2 analytical sections of 3 problems each. But like you said, they were much less elaborate than this one. 2934. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 4:35:36 PM Candide, now you got me looking for a word to beat EQUITY! 2935. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 5:02:16 PM Well, it is close to midnight here, so I am going to bed. I will probably miss, then, the unfolding of the answers to this logic problem, so I will post what I got below.
A quiz on the events of 1999, with a decidedly Antipodean bias:
50 Questions About 1999
'Diamond Jim' was the late wonderful Senator Jim McClelland whose memorial service I attended. He supervised the Australian case in Britain that demanded the Brits clean up the radioactive garbage at Maralinga left by their nuclear weapons tests. He was also urbane, wise and witty and a great loss. One of the people who spoke at his memorial service (apart from all the ex prime ministers) was an Aboriginal man who had lost his sight as a result of the British nuclear tests. Jim McClelland wrote a weekily newspaper column for years. It was always funny and wise.
Answer the question and identify the movie
1. What Bond girl was named after her father?
2. Who does not believe in large rodents?
3. If you laugh and you cry, how much will it cost you?
4. Why did Hoyt Axton spill his guts?
5. On what day does Paul Williams serve pills for breakfast?
6. Who would salute who: Jimmy Stewart's cinema brother or the real Jimmy Stewart – and why?
7. What foods do cosmonauts confuse when orbiting large planets?
8. Who played the janitor at Pancho's?
9. Where do submarine computers go when they're confused?
10. Who said "wonders must be ceasing?"
Pussy Galore.
Her father was AceofSpades.
Ohio --
No on both.
9. Home to "mama"--The Hunt for Red October
6. Stewart became a Brigadier General in the reserve, was a colonel in the air force. I can't remember what Harry got, but it may have been colonel. He also got the Congressional Medal of Honor, which counts for something.
Good guess; at least, not being much of a Bond fan, Pussy Galore is about the only chick name I know from those movies. Maybe Plenty O'Toole or Holly Goodhead. Hell, maybe there was one called Ida Swallow?
I would have guessed Harvey as the movie from #2, were there not another Jimmy Stewart question at #6.
Cal --
Right on #2 and #9.
So what's your answer on #6?
Eric --
So what's your answer on #1?
Cal --
No. Since it's a binary solution set, you now know that Stewart would have to salute Harry Bailey. You've already posited why -- Harry won the CMoH.
Eric --
Errata on #1 -- the girl wasn't actually named for her father -- it was just one of Bond's snarky remarks about her name.
Sorry if that threw anyone off.
6. I don't know if you'll believe me, but "the bro" answer meant that I was guessing the bro got saluted. I was giving the nod to the CMoH.
I don't know. I'll guess Plenty O'Toole.
Cal --
No on #4.
On #6 -- I believe everything you have ever said or thought in your entire life. More or less.
Eric --
Right on #1. You need the movie, too.
3. THREE BUCKS!!!! I knew that sounded familiar! But I must give credit to Spawn. Good question.
The questions remaining ...
3. If you laugh and you cry, how much will it cost you?
4. Why did Hoyt Axton spill his guts?
5. On what day does Paul Williams serve pills for breakfast?
7. What foods do cosmonauts confuse when orbiting large planets?
8. Who played the janitor at Pancho's?
10. Who said "wonders must be ceasing?"
Eric got half of #1. Cal got #2, 6, and 9.
Cal --
Spawn gets #3, if you supply the movie.
#1 goes to Eric and Cal.
Don't know which Bond movie; I'll take Cal's word on that one.
As for Hoyt Axton (34), didn't he just die a few months ago? I'm guessing the movie you're looking for is Gremlins (I'm really good at this game, aren't I?).
Eric --
Hoyt is dead. But Gremlins is not the movie.
I can't think what the hell else Axton has been in, dammit.
Cal --
Spawn gets #3, with an assist from mom.
The only other movie I can think of with Hoyt Axton is that movie with DeNiro and Penn. Which I'm not sure I ever saw, anyway.
The questions remaining ...
4. Why did Hoyt Axton spill his guts?
5. On what day does Paul Williams serve pills for breakfast?
7. What foods do cosmonauts confuse when orbiting large planets?
8. Who played the janitor at Pancho's?
10. Who said "wonders must be ceasing?"
Eric got #1 an assist from Cal. Cal got #2, 6, and 9. Spawn got #3.
7. What foods do cosmonauts confuse when orbiting large planets?
I don't know, but this is probably from 2010.
Ace --
Good. Still need an answer though. Now that you've got the movie, it shouldn't be very difficult.
Trial:
I have almost zero recollection of the film, other than the fact that Americans hitched a ride on a Russian spacecraft to Jupiter.
I only remember John Lithgow's panting as he spacewalked towards the 2001 probe.
if I had to guess:
1) they confuse sausages with hot dogs
or
2) they confuse Jello with pudding
or
3) jello with Borscht
Plenty O'Toole is from Diamonds are Forever.
Ace --
No on #7. My last post to you contained a pretty broad hint. Must be the Christmas season.
Cal already supplied the movie for #1.
cake and pie
Ace --
Correct on #7.
Cal --
A bold guess. And what's the answer to the question?
I was out at lunch with TS today and said, "The only Pancho I can come up with--apart from several Pancho Villas--is the one in The Right Stuff" and he said, "Why, yes it is!" But I refused to let him tell me the answer. And I'm still wracking my brains to figure out who it is. You do mean the janitor, right? Not Levon Helm?
Cal --
Not Levon Helm.
The questions remaining ...
4. Why did Hoyt Axton spill his guts?
5. On what day does Paul Williams serve pills for breakfast?
8. Who played the janitor at Pancho's?
10. Who said "wonders must be ceasing?"
Eric got #1 an assist from Cal. Cal got #2, 6, and 9. Spawn got #3. Ace got #7.
Cal has correctly surmised that #8 refers to "The Right Stuff."
Hint on #10: there are two acceptable answers, though the line is delivered only once, and in only one voice.
Answers to the questions remaining:
4. Why did Hoyt Axton spill his guts? He was assassinated using a biotoxin that ate away his digestive system and his abdominal wall. "Endangered Species."
5. On what day does Paul Williams serve pills for breakfast? Winslow Leach asks Swan "What day is it?" after finishing his manum opus in "Phantom of the Paradise." Swan, played by Paul Williams, responds "Thursday. Today is Thursday," and, opening a briefcase stuffed with pills, says "Breakfast!"
8. Who played the janitor at Pancho's? Chuck Yeager made this cameo in "The Right Stuff." Look for him pushing a broom when Jeff Goldblum and Harry Shearer show up looking for test pilots to recruit for NASA.
10. Who said "wonders must be ceasing?" In "Magic," Anthony Hopkins plays a ventroliquist whose dummy, Fats, utters this line.
And Harry Shearer asks for Coca-cola -- in a cleanglass.
Answer the question and name the movie
1. What is the original call sign of the aircraft that saves Harrison Ford?
2. What city did Carl Reiner destroy?
3. What would David Warner start over with and when?
4. Why not throw the game to the android?
5. Why does God need a starship?
6. In what city do cockroaches devour the last known living African American?
7. Who killed Meg Ryan while she was wearing green?
8. What isn't going on at Dolly Parton's place?
9. Why doesn't John Cusack get to nail Laura Dern?
10. How much does it cost to rent a helicopter in Columbia?
Trial:
Your questions are becoming a bit too difficult.
3. What would David Warner start over with and when? -- Time Bandits. Start over with the monkeys?
4. Why not throw the game to the android? -- Because droids don't pull people's arms out when they lose. Wookies are known to do that. Star Wars.
10. How much does it cost to rent a helicopter in Columbia? Clear and Present Danger. No idea about cost. 1 million?
CINE OBSCURA QUOTES
Provide name of movie and character speaking quote.
A. "Sushi. That's what my wife calls me. Cold fish."
B. -- "Is she a, you know, android?"
-- "What kind of question is that to ask about a lady?"
(Character names way too tough on this one; i.e., I don't know them myself. Name at least one actor in the exchange.)
C. "In some cultures, the egg is a symbol for the soul."
D. "Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish Ladies, farewell and adieu ye fair ladies of Spain."
E. "I want more life, Fucker."
F. "I think I blasted it."
G. -- "Married?"
-- "Married!"
H. "Two dollars!" (Name character's occupation.)
I. "Is that intense enough for you?"
J. "Nice grouping." (Character name too tough; name occupation or actor.)
K. "It looks good. To me." (Clue: Line spoken on airplane. Identify speaker not by name but by brief description.)
L. "Was that over-the-top? I can never tell."
M. "Well, if it isn't Special Agent Foster Grants."
N. "Do you... like pink?"
Shaw to Dreyfus and Scheider - Jaws
F. "I think I blasted it."
Smith to Lee Jones - MIB
L. "Was that over-the-top? I can never tell."
Arkin to LaPaglia - So I Married an Ax Murderer
M. "Well, if it isn't Special Agent Foster Grants."
DeNiro to Kotto - Midnite Run
O. "It was Burke."
P. "Yeah, this is Jack Walsh? Uhhh, John Wesley Walsh?"
Q. -- "I'm Special Agent Johnson, this is Special Agent Johnson."
-- "No relation."
R. "Commodities include things like milk, butter, orange juice, and bacon... which you might have on a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwhich."
S. -- "Go away or I'll call the Brute Squad."
-- "I am the Brute Squad."
-- "You are a Brute Squad."
T. "Confidence is high, repeat, confidence is high." (Two possible movies-- one quotes the original. Name character in SECOND movie; don't name the character in the first movie.)
U. "An explosion this morning at the prophylactic recycling plant..." (Name speaker's occupation and context of line.)
D. "Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish Ladies, farewell and adieu ye fair ladies of Spain."
Shaw to Dreyfus and Scheider - Jaws Yes
F. "I think I blasted it."
Smith to Lee Jones - MIB No.
L. "Was that over-the-top? I can never tell."
Arkin to LaPaglia - So I Married an Ax Murderer No.
M. "Well, if it isn't Special Agent Foster Grants."
DeNiro to Kotto - Midnite Run Yes.
Yes, to S.
Speaker's names, people. I'll accept just a last name for R.
And Niner:
Your correct answers are incomplete without the character's names, which are pretty damn easy.
Cal --
Right on #5, 7, 8, 9, and 10..
No on 3.
V. --"...but now that your mother has invited me in, I'll be dropping by whenever I like. ...If that's okay with your mother, of course."
-- "Oh, of course."
W. "Oh Brewster, you're so cooooool."
X. "She's a bloodsucker! A vampire! And don't tell me 'that doesn't mean she's not a good person'!"
Y. "I wouldn't dose my worst enemy, man."
Z. "You're dinky dau, man! You're Beaucoups dinky dau!"
Shaw to Dreyfus and Scheider - Jaws Yes
Quint to Hooper and Brody
L. "Was that over-the-top? I can never tell."
Arkin to LaPaglia - So I Married an Ax Murderer.
Actually, yes, but I have no idea as to the character's names.
M. "Well, if it isn't Special Agent Foster Grants."
DeNiro to Kotto - Midnite Run.
Walsh to Moseley
Penn to J. Fox - Casualties of War (no idea as to characters, but I'll guess and say Marschetti to Keaton)
L. "Was that over-the-top? I can never tell."
Arkin to LaPaglia -So I Married an Ax Murderer.
Actually, yes, but I have no idea as to the character's names.
I don't think so. Arkin said something like that, but I doubt he used those words precisely.
The quote in question is exact and was featured in the movie's trailers at the time. It was spoken by a MAJOR star.
Niner:
Good enough on "Casualties of War." Messerve to Erikson.
I only want character names when they're "easy," i.e., I know them myself.
Hints:
Several quotes are from a Future Noir movie set in Los Angeles, 2019.
Several are from a retro-horror film set mainly in New Orleans and environs.
V and W are from the same film. It's an early eighties vamp flick.
Several quotes are from big-budget comic book superhero movies.
There are a few more quotes from Midnight Run.
A couple of quotes are from early eighties movies featuring Brat Packers and/or quasi-Brat Packers.
One quote is from a mid-budget seventies sci-fi flick featuring a famous dead bald man.
YOU PEOPLE SUCK!
HALF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS QUIZ ARE EASY! HELL, ONE'S FROM DIE HARD!
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, YOU RAT-BASTARDS!
Ace --
Yes on #4, no on #3 ... but you're on the right track.
Don't complain that the questions are too hard when you and Cal got half of them right off the bat.
Cal --
Right on #10, wrong on 1, but you're on the right track.
The questions remaining ...
1. What is the original call sign of the aircraft that saves Harrison Ford?
2. What city did Carl Reiner destroy?
3. What would David Warner start over with and when?
6. In what city do cockroaches devour the last known living African American?
Ford in Blade Runner
B. -- "Is she a, you know, android?"
-- "What kind of question is that to ask about a lady?"
Dunno.
(Character names way too tough on this one; i.e., I don't know them myself. Name at least one actor in the exchange.)
C. "In some cultures, the egg is a symbol for the soul."
Dunno.
D. "Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish Ladies, farewell and adieu ye fair ladies of Spain."
Shaw in Jaws.
E. "I want more life, Fucker."
Hauer in Blade Runner
F. "I think I blasted it."
Hammil in Star Wars
G. -- "Married?"
-- "Married!"
Dunno.
H. "Two dollars!" (Name character's occupation.)
Paperboy. Better Off Dead.
I. "Is that intense enough for you?"
Dunno. Repo Man?
J. "Nice grouping." (Character name too tough; name occupation or actor.)
Young Frankenstein. Frankenstein says it to the wooden-armed cop.
K. "It looks good. To me." (Clue: Line spoken on airplane. Identify speaker not by name but by brief description.)
Dunno.
L. "Was that over-the-top? I can never tell."
Riddler in Batman Forever
M. "Well, if it isn't Special Agent Foster Grants."
Midnight Run
N. "Do you... like pink?"
Lois Lane in Superman
Ace --
F. Star Wars, Luke Skywalker.
J. Young Frankenstein, Inspector Kemp.
Killing folks, in 1980s San Francisco.
Ripley in Aliens
P. "Yeah, this is Jack Walsh? Uhhh, John Wesley Walsh?"
Dunno.
Q. -- "I'm Special Agent Johnson, this is Special Agent Johnson."
-- "No relation."
This is the FBI Agents in Die Hard
R. "Commodities include things like milk, butter, orange juice, and bacon... which you might have on a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwhich."
Trading Places. One of the old guys says it to murphy
S. -- "Go away or I'll call the Brute Squad."
-- "I am the Brute Squad."
-- "You are a Brute Squad."
Miracle Max to Andre the Giant in Princess Bride
T. "Confidence is high, repeat, confidence is high." (Two possible movies-- one quotes the original. Name character in SECOND movie; don't name the character in the first movie.)
Top Gun?
U. "An explosion this morning at the prophylactic recycling plant..." (Name speaker's occupation and context of line.)
Sounds like one of the news briefs in Robocop
Ace --
Oh, damn, Rask is right on J.
P. Midnight Run, Marvin Dorfler.
Niner --
No on #3. Ace got the movie right -- it's "Time Bandits."
Provide name of movie and character speaking quote.
A. "Sushi. That's what my wife calls me. Cold fish." OPEN
B. -- "Is she a, you know, android?"
-- "What kind of question is that to ask about a lady?" OPEN
(Character names way too tough on this one; i.e., I don't know them myself. Name at least one actor in the exchange.)
C. "In some cultures, the egg is a symbol for the soul." OPEN
D. "Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish Ladies, farewell and adieu ye fair ladies of Spain." Shaw (Quint) in Jones. Niner correct.
E. "I want more life, Fucker." Hauer (Roy Batty) in Blade Runner. Rask got it.
F. "I think I blasted it." Luke in SW. Rask.
G. -- "Married?"
-- "Married!" OPEN. CLUE: John Hughes.
H. "Two dollars!" (Name character's occupation.) Paperboy, Better Off Dead. Rask got it.
I. "Is that intense enough for you?" OPEN. HINT: Val Kilmer.
J. "Nice grouping." (Character name too tough; name occupation or actor.) Kemp in YF. Rask first, Trial with name.
K. "It looks good. To me." (Clue: Line spoken on airplane. Identify speaker not by name but by brief description.) OPEN. CLUE: Re: false ID.
L. "Was that over-the-top? I can never tell." Riddler in Batman Forever. Rask.
M. "Well, if it isn't Special Agent Foster Grants." Kotto/Moseley in MR. Niner.
N. "Do you... like pink?" Lois in Superman. Rask.
D. "Farewell and adieu, ye fair Spanish Ladies, farewell and adieu ye fair ladies of Spain." Shaw/Quint, Jaws. Niner.
O. "It was Burke." Ripley, Aliens. Rask.
P. "Yeah, this is Jack Walsh? Uhhh, John Wesley Walsh?" Marvin Dorfler in Midnight Run. Trialshark.
Q. -- "I'm Special Agent Johnson, this is Special Agent Johnson."
-- "No relation." Agents Johnson & Johnson, Die Hard. Rask.
R. "Commodities include things like milk, butter, orange juice, and bacon... which you might have on a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwhich." Mortimer Duke, Trading places. Dantheman.
S. -- "Go away or I'll call the Brute Squad."
-- "I am the Brute Squad."
-- "You are a Brute Squad." Dantheman, I think. Fezzik & Miracle Max, PB.
T. "Confidence is high, repeat, confidence is high." (Two possible movies-- one quotes the original. Name character in SECOND movie; don't name the character in the first movie.) OPEN. Think: Matthew Brodderick.
U. "An explosion this morning at the prophylactic recycling plant..." (Name speaker's occupation and context of line.) OPEN. Think: Brodderick again.
V. --"...but now that your mother has invited me in, I'll be dropping by whenever I like. ...If that's okay with your mother, of course." OPEN. Think: Vampires.
-- "Oh, of course."
W. "Oh Brewster, you're so cooooool." OPEN. Think: Vampires.
X. "She's a bloodsucker! A vampire! And don't tell me 'that doesn't mean she's not a good person'!" OPEN. Vampires again.
Y. "I wouldn't dose my worst enemy, man." OPEN. Think: Kiefer Sutherland.
Z. "You're dinky dau, man! You're Beaucoups dinky dau!" Sean Penn in Casulaties of War. Niner.
Ace -- I'm guessing here:
I. "Top Gun," Maverick.
T.
Well, so much for my trypings skills.
T. "FBDO," Ferris.
Arrrgh.
I is from Top Gun, spoken by Iceman (Val Kilmer) TO Maverick. Partial credit. He says this after goose is killed.
T is not from Ferris. Both the Confidence is High line and the Prophylactic line are from the same Brodderick film.
-- "Oh, of course."
Thats the geeky daddy vampire talking to Cory Haim in Lost Boys
W. "Oh Brewster, you're so cooooool." OPEN. Think: Vampires.
Thats the geeky new-made vampire talking to Brewster in Fright Night
X. "She's a bloodsucker! A vampire! And don't tell me 'that doesn't mean she's not a good person'!" OPEN. Vampires again.
Corey Haim to Jason Patric in Lost Boys
t. Wargames
x. Lost Boys
War Games, I assume
And I got the Sushi Quote. Its Deckard in his opening voiceover in the non-DC Blade Runner.
V: Wrong. Nice guess, but it's the OTHER vamp film.
W: Correct.
X. Correct.
Sorry, Trial.
A. Blade Runner, Deckard, opening VO. Trialshark.
Wargames is the film. "Confidence is high" is spoken by a NORAD dude as they go to Defcon 2. Also quoted in American Pie by "The Shermanator."
"Prophylactic recycling plant explosion" is a tv news report in background as Brodderick climbs the stairs to his room. A little background joke.
Rask:
Yes, Chris Sarandon in Fright Night, in an exchange with Brewster's mom, with Brewster thinking, "Don't INVITE him in, Mom!"
The only ones that still remains are:
"It looks good. To me." --Kid on Airplane, said to Jack Walsh, after Jack Walsh shows him the fake Alonzo Mosely ID he's making.
"Is she a, you know, android?" Richard Benjamin in Westworld, to James Brolin.
The questions remaining ...
1. What is the original call sign of the aircraft that saves Harrison Ford?
2. What city did Carl Reiner destroy?
3. What would David Warner start over with and when?
6. In what city do cockroaches devour the last known living African American?
"Welcome to Fright... Night. For real."
Great flick. "Descended to gore"? What a pussy.
6. In what city do cockroaches devour the last known living African American?
Los Angeles, the Omega Man?
Ace --
Ooooh, good. I'll have to include "The Omega Man" in a later quiz. In fact, damn near any Charleton Heston movie would qualify as "obscure."
But #6 is even more obscure. The movie also sucked big-time.
Hint: George Peppard.
Trial:
Damnation Alley?
hmmmm... as for city, I don't remember, but I think they spent some time in New Jersey, of all places. Trenton?
No, just not interesting. Goo and fake blood don't scare me. Lost Boys had the same problem. Both films initially were clever, funny, inventive modern vampire films. But both lost courage when it came to their endings.
But they are still two of the better vampire films. Part of the problem is that there has never been a truly excellent vampire movie (unless Herzog's Nosferatu qualifies - the only major contender I haven't seen). All of them screw it up.
Ace --
Got the movie. It's one of the few I've walked out on. Eeech.
The black guy gets eaten well before the East Coast, though. The city he gets devoured in makes sense, in a weird sort of way. I can't think of another hint that won't give it away.
Rask:
No offense, but you're a dope. I didn't like the ending of Lost Boys because it reverted to broad comedy. The "gore" didn't bother me.
Fright Night had a wonderful ending. A conflict with a vampire must become gory, or at least violent.
And, in fact, there's very little gore in Fright Night. Here's the "gore":
Sarandon rips someone's throat with his vamp talons.
Evil Ed gets staked in the heart. Purely conventional, there, and not gory, although you do see some blood; but that's to be expected when you stake someone in their heart.
The Guardian-dude turns to dust and breaks apart.
The vampire turns to a demon-bat and burns in sunlight.
Am I missing some "gore"?
Philadelphia.
Ace --
No. Here's the hint, but it's a gimme: think religion.
The questions remaining ...
1. What is the original call sign of the aircraft that saves Harrison Ford? HINT: think Philadelphia.
2. What city did Carl Reiner destroy? HINT: Steve Martin once called it "the most boring city in America."
3. What would David Warner start over with and when? Ace has correctly identified the movie as "Time Bandits."
6. In what city do cockroaches devour the last known living African American? Ace has correctly identified the movie as "Damnation Alley."
No idea. Salem, Massachusettes.
It's a guessing game at this point. I saw the movie once during its first run on HBO as a little kid and I don't think I bothered watching it through, because it sucked ass.
The questions remaining ...
1. What is the original call sign of the aircraft that saves Harrison Ford? HINT: think Philadelphia.
2. What city did Carl Reiner destroy? HINT: Steve Martin once called it "the most boring city in America."
3. What would David Warner start over with and when? Ace has correctly identified the movie as "Time Bandits."
6. In what city do cockroaches devour the last known living African American? Ace has correctly identified the movie as "Damnation Alley."
You are right about Lost Boys turning into a comedy. That is another reason why I didn't like the ending.
Did I do that?
Now?
This is too weird. Less-than, slash-i, greater-than, right?
Huh.
Here's what you did: You probably accidentally began AND ended a line with cursor-i-cursor (no backslash), so you had three opening italics and only one closing italics, so you needed two more closing italics.
Fright Night provides an adequate justification for that: They confront the vampire at night because they must kill him before the next sunrise (else Charlie's girlfriend will become a "Full Vampire").
PS: I'm sick of this "Half-Vampire/Full Vampire" bullshit, personally. There's always some stupid way to "reverse" the vampiric condition.
"I like the vampire films which sexualize the vampire more."
What a homo.
I don't like the over-sexualization of vampires, personally. I don't like them being turned into anti-heroes. I like movies that present them as the evil bastards they are.
That's why I liked Fright Night. Sarandon was Evil. He wasn't sympathetic in the least. He was just a predator and parasite that needed to be staked.
That's at least as old as Dracula. Its a decent way to inject some suspense into the story (we must confront the vampire rather than running away in order to save Mina), but it certainly has become overused.
Coppola had a dozen good ideas for his Dracula, but he had even more bad ones. What a disappointing mess that was.
Ace --
That was probably it. I didn't realize the HTML tags were recursive; I though one terminating tag restored the defaults.
Trial:
Nope. You gotta count them up. Endings must equal openings.
I'd view Lugosi as pre-campy.
And then there is, "I do not drink.......vine."
Lovely.
Rask:
Yes, I'm not saying that he wasn't presented as sexual. He was. But as a sexual predator as well as a physical predator.
He wasn't OVER-sexualized, and his "sexiness" did not mitigate his evilness. Plus, he looked ridiculous in early-eighties Chess King duds.
A lot of vampire films present vampires as misunderstood anti-heroes, blatant symbols of free-sexuality in a society of prudes, and I don't like that. Vampires use sex appeal to achieve their ends, yes. But they are ultimately not sexual mavericks. They're predators/parasites that deserve an injection of oak to the aorta.
Answers to the questions remaining ...
1. What is the original call sign of the aircraft that saves Harrison Ford? "Liberty Two Four is now Air Force One!" Air Force One.
2. What city did Carl Reiner destroy? "Well -- *cough, cough* -- at least we got Terre Haute." Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid.
3. What would David Warner start over with and when? "If I were the Supreme Being I wouldn't waste my time with parrots. I'd start with lasers, eight o'clock, day one!" Time Bandits.
6. In what city do cockroaches devour the last known living African American? Salt Lake City. Damnable -- er, Damnation Alley.
Rask:
When screenwriters/directors confuse "The Seductiveness of Evil" for a positive virtue, and forget that vampires are Evil and, yes, obscene murderers (worse than murderers-- victims who succumb willingly are damned to Hell for an eternity), you lose the whole frigging point of a vampire story.
When subtext becomes the story itself, you lose the real story. That was ONE of the myriad problems of Coppola's execrable Dracula.
You must hate the Anne Rice books. Well, all but the first two deserve to be hated, but the first two bear primary responsibility for this anti-hero trend you dislike. I didn't mind it in the Rice books since it was a different take on the subject, but I'll agree with you that I prefer the more classic "evil" take. Sarandon was pretty close to perfect.
Someone could do justice to King's "Salem's Lot". But it also ends poorly, like most King books. I also mention this just as an excuse to say...
"Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanny..."
... to Cal.
"Near Dark" vampires. Blood-lusting fiends. That said, I don't mind a little sex, with the bite near the heaving bosom, and the orgasmic moan of the chick as he sinks his teeth into her.
Second best.
Nicolas Cage in "Vampire's Kiss."
"You must hate the Anne Rice books."
Indeed. No matter how well-educated a charming a vampire may be, and no matter how p.c. homoerotic/gay friendly a story may be, vampires are *murderers*, and someone who mistakes them for the "good guys" is a bit daft.
I'm sure that bears & tigers & sharks & Orcs & Aliens have their reasons/motivations for murdering humans. Call me a specieist, but I'm still going to root for the humans, no matter how romantic-poetic these predators' thoughts may be.
Ace: I think the two central problems with Coppola's film were the turning of the Dracula/Mina relationship into a reincarnated love story, and the horrible casting choices.
"I think the two central problems with Coppola's film were the turning of the Dracula/Mina relationship into a reincarnated love story, and the horrible casting choices."
Those are two central problems, yes. Other problems: A daft, loopy, nonsensical script which mistakes "story confusion/chaos" for "thematic moral ambiguity" and overheated direction, Coppola trying to prove he's just as "edgy" and "innovative" as those brass kids Tarrantino and Rodriguez.
Dracula is what I call a "Funhouse Movie." A Funhouse Movie is a movie in which the producer and director and writer agree that they're not going to make a real movie with a real story, but rather a celluloid Funhouse featuring some special effects and cameos by the Hollywood Hip like Tom Waites.
Cal --
Well said.
What did it mean?
I think you missed the point of the books. They weren't the good guys. Both Louis and Lestat did not have a choice in becoming a vampire, and the theme of "Interview" particularly is about how they deal with the desires that they know are evil. I think that Rice's affinity for homoeroticism obscured the point I think she was making, in comparing the vampires to child molestors (think of the little girl vampire).
floating...
outside the window...
beckoning...
calling...
"Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanny".
Rask --
Oh.
I'll have to file that away for the next time we do lunch. [g]
"I think you missed the point of the books."
I've tried to read both several times, but have never gotten beyond page 100 for either. They're boring. Nothing happens. There is no discernable plot, just disjointed episodes. I don't like whining, I don't like homoeroticism, and I don't much care for murderers as central characters.
Generally, that is.
I did like the murderous Michael Caine in Shock to the System.
I understand Rice was doing something *different,* and I do applaud her for trying. But it's not my cup of tea.
Quite frankly, I don't much care to plumb the psychological consequences of vampirism, because it's fucking silly. There are no vampires; I care not one whit how a hypothetical vampire might deal with his hypothetical vampirism.
The Batman movies explored, ham-handedly, the psychological consequences of being Batman. This is a stupid tact, as Batman does not exist, costumed vigilantes do not exist. I care about Batman's psychology like I care about R2D2's psychology. That is to say, not at all.
But I agree that one of the most annoying aspects about Batman is the way writers explore the consequences of being Batman. Its one reason why I liked Frank Miller's stuff, where he just takes Batman as given, and explores his effect on people around him.
Rotten little putz. Cut that out.
TS,
Bastard.
Geography quiz.
Where are or were these places or features, and, in some cases, why?
1. The Beagle sound
2. Bessarabia
3. The Caprivi strip
4. The Ceuta enclave
5. The Curzon line
6. East Rumelia
7. Fort Lamy
8. Kalahari
9. Karelia
10. Noakchott
11. The Oder-Neisse line
12. Ougadougo
13. Slavonia
14. Transylvania
15. Urga
...and the 1936 Dracula's Daughter, which starred Otto Kruger and the very beautiful and sensual Gloria Holden.
14. Transylvania is in Northeast Romania.
When Czarists of old toasted "all the Russias," flinging a separate glass into the fire after each salutation, Karelia was one of them.
Today, there are fewer shots in this exercise, a step towards moderation probably welcome in Yeltsin's Happy-Hour style of governing.
Transylvania is in Northwest Romania.
I actually meant North West. I just checked the Atlas and confirmed I was right-- it's in the north, to the left. Then I realized "left" is "west."
The name is a diminutive of Romanoi, itself a reference to Greeks (and not to Romanians), once subjects of the Eastern Roman Empire.
Vlad the Impaler may forgive Ace for this error.
And he may not.
The USSR grabbed the Eastern third of Poland (as Poland existed between the World Wars), and the northern half of the German province of East Prussia (and renamed Koenigsberg Kalingrad, after a Stalin croney); it gave the southern half of EAst Prussia to Poland.
Today, Russia retains an oblast on the Baltic, which if they were smart they would sell back to Germany for tons of money.
Fans of German food (I know you're out there) will recall that Koenigsberger kloepse come from this region, and are boiled meatballs served in a custard cream sauce flavored with capers.
I don't know if any particular food comes from the Oder-Neisse border region.
Kalahari also goes to CalGal. Its is a huge desert which is mostly in Botswana but stretches into Namibia.
Ace and Ronski share Transylvania, the Romanian homeland of Dracula, or Vlad the Impaler.
Ronski gets Karelia (straight out of the Britannica, or was it Altavista?). A signficant part belonged to Finland before 1940.
Rumelia too to Ronski.
TheDiva is right about Fort Lamy and on the right track about Bessarabia.
How dare you!(g)
Karelia is ever in my heart.
(I truly know this sort of trivia. I wish I knew something useful.)
#5 - Isn't "the Curzon line" a reference to the Trill who hosted Benajmin Sisco's old friend Dax?
And Slavonia is the eastern part of Croatia, not to be confused with Slovenia or Slovakia.
Current standings:
1. The Beagle sound (open)
2. Bessarabia (Diva on the right track)
3. The Caprivi strip
4. The Ceuta enclave
5. The Curzon line
6. East Rumelia (Bulgaria, Ronski)
7. Fort Lamy (Now N'Djamena in Chad, TheDiva)
8. Kalahari (desert in Botswana, CalGal)
9. Karelia (province in Russia, formerly in Finland, Ronski)
10. Noakchott (open)
11. The Oder-Neisse line (border between Germany and Poland, Ronski)
12. Ougadougo (capital of Burkina Faso, CalGal)
13. Slavonia (eastern Croatia, Ronski)
14. Transylvania (northwestern Rumania, Ace and Ronski)
15. Urga (open)
Who was Bunter?
Some hints.
1. Ship - evolution.
3. Someone we know lives in the country to which the strip is attached.
4. Spain
5. Poland
10. Not Ruritania but ....
15. Former name of central Asian city.
And finally:
"Another damned, thick, square book!" said the duke of Gloucester in 1781 to ????. "Always scribble, scribble, scribble, eh, Mr ????"
3. Namibia
4. A Spanish enclave in Morocco
10. The capital of Mauritania, and the correct spelling is "Nouakchott"
Btw, the correct spelling of #12 is "Ouagadougou"
15. Ulaanbaatar
Bunter was Lord Peter Wimsey's manservant.
The fellow who "scribbled, scribbled, scribbled" was Edward Gibbon
1. The Beagle sound
A passage in the vicinity of Cape Horn, named after the ship Darwin travelled on to the Galapagos islands. Irving on track.
2. Bessarabia
A strip of land between the rivers Prut and Dnjestr which now belongs to the Republic of Moldova. It has changed hands many times. The name derives from the Basarabs, a 14th century family. Diva on the right track.
3. The Caprivi strip
Another strip of land, about 80 km wide, which shoots east from northern Namibia. Its purpose was to give German South-west Africa access to the Zambesi basin. Named after Leo von Caprivi who succeeded Bismarck as Reichkansler in 1890. Irving
4. The Ceuta enclave
One of two Spanish enclaves on Morocco's Mediterranean coast. The other is Mellilla. Irving
5. The Curzon line
Marks the border between Poland and Belarus. First proposed by Lord Curzon (a former vice-roy of India) in 1920 during the now forgotten war between Poland and the Soviet Union. However, Poland won the war. Then resurrected in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Agreed to by the Allies at Yalta.
6. East Rumelia
Eastern Bulgaria. Ronski
7. Fort Lamy
Now N'Djamena, the capital of Chad, Diva
8. Kalahari
Desert in Botswana stretching into Namibia. CalGal
Province in Russia. A large part belonged to Finland before 1940. Ronski
10. Nouakchott
The capital of Mauretania. Irving
11. The Oder-Neisse line
Post-WW2 border between Germany and Poland. Ronski. I forgot to correct Ronski's statement in Message # 2840 that it "was roughly where the Russian troops stopped their march". In fact, the Russians went on to take Berlin.
12. Ougadougo
Capital of Burkina Faso, the former Upper Volta. CalGal
13. Slavonia
Eastern Croatia, formerly inhabited by Serbs. Terrible things happened there during the recent Serbo-Croat war, e.g. the siege and destruction of Vukovar. Ronski
14. Transylvania
Northwestern Rumania, home of Dracula. Ace and Ronski
15. Urga
Former name of Ulaanbaatar, the capital of Mongolia. Irving
G is Long Duk Dong and Jake Something-or-other in Sixteen Candles. And you're right about Fright Night, a very underrated movie, one that actually makes Amanda Bearse look pretty good.
"Sexual" vampire movies are "wack", as the kids say these days. You want a killer vampire flick, go check out the old Hammer ones with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. Blood of Dracula, now that's a fuckin' vampire flick. Interview With the Vampire was way too soapy.
But Fright Night also did a good job of combining the stock horror movie ethos with a little comedy. Coppola's Dracula was ponderous and pretentious, and strayed from the book too much. Vampire's Kiss was just about unwatchable; by the time Cage ate the goddamned cockroach, I was ready to fall asleep. Dumb movie.
Right-oh, Cartman. Long Duk Dong and Jake Ryan in Sixteen Candles.
"Married?"
"Married!"
Yup. There's some really cool lines in that movie. One is where Hall bets Cusack and the other geek buddy that he can get some underpants by the end of the dance, and as he's walking away, the geeks intone in unison, "Girls' underpants!", as Hall skulks away, pained.
Another, even better one, is where Grandpa, calling the cops to find Dong, describes him as "wearing tan slacks, and a red sweater", then angrily replies to the cop, "No, he's not retarded!".
One of the few '80s teen flicks I liked, and I liked it quite a lot.
One or more of the last letters of each entry is the same as one or more of the first letters of the next (#10 loops back to #1):
1. English for #3
2. Capital of Cameroon
3. See #1
4. Cornwall's last stop
5. "Adam" to Dukakis
6. Water moccasin
7. Harmonica
8. Baroque instrument
9. Acorn worm, for one
10. Mao's Khrushchev
This is a tough one, Indy.
7. mouth organ
I think Indy is off somewhere trying to answer his own quiz.
7. change mouth organ to mouth harp
8. Harpsichord
9. chordate (it's really a hemichordate but I can't figure this at all without some licence).
1. English for #3
2. Yaounde
3. See #1
4. Cornwall's last stop
5. "Adam" to Dukakis
6. cotton mouth
7. mouth harp
8. Harpsichord
9. chordate
10. Teng
Shit.
I withdraw all I've said so far. Snow Owl appears to have the only connections.
2. Yaounde
3. See #1
4. Land's End
5. "Adam" to Dukakis
6. cotton mouth
7. mouth harp
8. Harpsichord
9. chordate
10. Teng
was it a good episode at least?
3. Deutchland
Thank you to everyone who played my quiz.
1) Name the longest one-syllable word in the English language.
2) Name the only four words in the English language that end with
-dous
3) How many ridges does a dime have around its edge?
4) What is the longest word in the English language typed entirely with the left hand only?"
Antidisestablishmentarism.
(If you're left-handed and don't know how to type.)
1) Irv gets the point, although the word I had was 'screeched', but Irv's 'strengths' is also just as long.
2) Indiana Jones got all four -dous words!
3) Short of making you guys count, the number of ridges on a dime is 118.
4) Good job CalGal with 'stewardesses.'
OK, one more brainless bit of trivia, what is the longest word in the English language typed entirely with just the upper row of keys (QWERTYUIOP)?
How many dimples on a regulation-size golf ball?
"strengths" has the added bonus of using only on vowel to achieve that length. There are probably other words of that length as well... "stretched" comes to mind.
Irv, yeah, I liked your 'strengths' much better. If someone could come up with a 10-letter word, though, I'd have to abandon you!
tmachine, way to go!!
Here's a stupid question on my part, but the word 'squirrel' is it one or two syllables?
Not a stupid question at all. It can be either, depending upon the dialect or the speaker. Some people say "skwirl" and some say "skwir-ul." Which do you say?
Not a stupid question at all, as The Squirrel (my wife) and I have disputes as to how to pronounce her pet name. I use 1 syllable and she uses 2. I suspect that it's regional differences in pronunciation, as I grew up in Philly, and she grew up in central Pennsylvania.
The reason I asked was because of my earlier question. Can you squirrel away something? Then you could add -ed for the past tense, thus making a one-syllable English word of 10 letters.
OK, enough of this nonsense!!
"Squirreled" (pronounced 'skwirld') works for me.
"There are Five houses (in a row, stretching from left to right) in five different colors. In each house lives a person with a different nationality. These five owners drink a certain drink, smoke a certain cigar, and keep a different pet. No owners have the same pet, smoke the same cigar brand, or drink the same drink. The question is, which person owns the fish (the fifth pet, which isn't mentioned by name in the clues below)?
Clues:
The Brit lives in the Red House
The Swede owns Dogs
The Dane drinks Tea
The green house is on the left of the white house
The green house owner drinks coffee
The person who smokes Pall Malls rears birds
The owner of the Yellow House smokes Dunhills
The man living in the house right in the center drinks milk
The Norwegian lives in the first house
The man who smokes Blends lives next door to the one who keeps cats
The man who keeps horses lives next to the one who smokes Dunhills
The owner who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer
The German smokes Prince
The Norwegian lives next to the Blue house
The man who smokes Blends has a neighbor who drinks water.
Einstein wrote this quiz last century. He said that 98% of the world could not figure it out."
I personally doubt that Einstein had anything to do with this, but good luck.
Excel, anyone?
When it comes time to share answers, I'll do so.
When I took the GRE years ago, they had very similar puzzles in their "analytical" section. I scored a 97% on that part of the exam.
grumble grumble grumble
Another GRE problem involved paintings, 20 of them on a wall in a row, from 4 different centuries. Rules were given again, then the questions.
And all of this had to be done in 30 minutes!! Talk about sweat.
I doubt anybody is reading this other than you at this point. They are probably all working on it!!
I LOVE these kinds of puzzles. Guess that is one of many reasons why I am a geek.
what is the longest word in the
English language typed entirely with just the upper row of keys
(QWERTYUIOP)?
Using each letter only once? I can't get beyond EQUITY. I know it's in there hiding.
I'll check tomorrow.
U R correct. I had all the house colors before I had to make the 50-50 guess, which had to do with a nationality. The pets and smokes came last.
Typewriter?
Damn I got that one but rejected it because of repetition. Our local newspaper has one of those each day but no letter may be used more than once and one letter MUST be included. The trick is to get the maximum possible number of words.
The best I did with the original problem was PRIORITY.
PLEASE NOTE: MY ANSWER TO THE LOGIC PROBLEM IS BELOW, SO DO NOT PEAK!!
2936
Well, well, well, isn't that interesting.
2938. KuligintheHooligan - 1/11/2000 5:06:35 PM
I'll bet by now you all can believe that some dumb schmuck like me really did figure out that problem!! I don't know what happened there, but I apologize for it!!
2939. Raskolnikov - 1/11/2000 5:11:00 PM
Now I eliminated the houses through the use of the white house/green house thing. If the green house is to the left of the white house, it allows you to do a lot of cross-elimination (if the green house can't be house 3, then the white house can't be house 4, etc.).
2940. Candide - 1/11/2000 7:05:50 PM
THE SCREEN HAS GONE WIDE. SOMEBODY HELP!
2941. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/11/2000 9:32:03 PM
The wide screen is Kuligin's work. I'll have to delete it.
We did this same logic problem in the dying days of the old place, and as I recall, ChristinO and I got the correct answer, using similar but different methods.
2942. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/11/2000 9:37:27 PM
"Do not peak?"
And I was feeling like it was my day today, too...
2943. Candide - 1/12/2000 12:03:35 AM
An example of the Sydney Morning Herald word game.
FIT
LiE
ANN
How many words of four letters or more can you make from the letters above here? In making a word each letter must be used once only. The word MUST contain the central letter and there must be at least one nine-letter word. NO PLURALS or verb forms ending with 's'. No words with initial capitals and no words with a hyphen or apostrophe are permitted. Words sourced are from the main body of Chambers 21st Century Dictionary
Today's target 24 words, good; 36 words very good; 47 excellent.
2944. cmboyce - 1/12/2000 2:10:38 AM
Well, I got Kuligan's logic puzzle, but it took me an hour and a half. Good fun. I'll try posting it in white, in case there's anyone else still engaged. (BTW, I tried for HTML assistance, but some screw up threw me all the way off the net, and lost me the first version of the above.)
Anyway, here (perhaps) it is:
House #4 (which is Green and is inhabited by a German who drinks coffee and smokes Prince cigars).
[OK, good.]
2945. cmboyce - 1/12/2000 2:13:58 AM
I'm afraid it's too late for me to take on Candide's game, though it looks like fun. Maybe, if work permits, I can take a shot at it tomorrow. 'Night all.
2946. CalGal - 1/12/2000 11:22:13 AM
CM--are you on Netscape? The HTML hints page is a geocities page still, and every so often certain browsers freak at geocities. I need to convert it and move it to our server. Sorry for the inconvenience.
2947. Thoughtful - 1/12/2000 11:37:24 AM
I had fun doing the logic puzzle last night. BTW, there is no need to guess at anything. All the data you need to solve the puzzle is presented. It's just a matter of being thorough on following through on the clues...if you know that A smokes X and the X smoker drinks Y then you know only A drinks Y and so on. I always enjoy those things. Thanks.
2948. Raskolnikov - 1/12/2000 11:40:34 AM
I didn't guess on it, either. But I think Kuligan was saying that if you make a guess and play with it, and it is proven wrong (proof by contradiction, my HS geometry teacher called it), it might be faster.
2949. tmachine - 1/12/2000 12:00:51 PM
I solved it! now i feel like Einstein. I think it took me about 45 minutes, I kept getting interrupted by tiresome people trying to make me think about work, for heaven's sake. I found that once I'd gotten the house colors and the givens I had to sit back and just move the stuff around in my mind's eye to make it fit--also remembering that some of the clues may describe the same two houses might help.
2950. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 12:49:56 PM
Album-cover quiz
19 of the following 20 album covers have been doctored so as to obliterate the
titles and band/artist names. Identify them, nonetheless. (For bragging
rights: which one appears as is?)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
2951. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/12/2000 12:54:58 PM
Is it just me, or are all the links in Stumbo's quiz not working?
2952. AceofSpades - 1/12/2000 12:59:35 PM
not working for me.
2953. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:00:29 PM
Dang.
They're supposed to be inline images. Try reloading, maybe? I dunno.
2954. CalGal - 1/12/2000 1:08:57 PM
That's really weird. The address on the images works fine, but I can't get the img tag to work either.
2955. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/12/2000 1:10:26 PM
No, reloading doesn't work.
Cool idea, though, Stumbo. The code (to my inexpert eyes) looks ok. Let me try one...
2956. vonKreedon - 1/12/2000 1:11:36 PM
Do you need the " " around the HTTP path to the image?
2957. CalGal - 1/12/2000 1:11:51 PM
Okay, it's definitely something with the pages themselves, although I can't see what would cause it. But I tried the same HTML tag with The Mote image here: 
and it works fine. Substitute Stumbo's image:
2958. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/12/2000 1:12:01 PM
No, that doesn't work, either.
2959. Raskolnikov - 1/12/2000 1:13:45 PM
Its a great idea for a quiz, but it isn't loading for me either.
2960. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:15:29 PM
Well, I see 'em, dammit.
Lemme try a different server, though...
2961. mintcar - 1/12/2000 1:16:50 PM
When I try "open this image" for any of Stumbo's pictures, I get the message:
"Whoops!
You are unable to access this file directly because HomePage.com does not allow files to be served to other sites." Plus some more information. I don't know if this could have something to do with it. Apologies if it's irrelevant.
2962. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 1:16:57 PM
Doesn't work for me either.
I don't agree with the comments about Rask's logic problem. At some point you MUST make a guess, a 50-50 guess. If not, could someone show me why not?
Here's what I did. I went through all the clues that gave me an immediate knowledge of something, like the Norwegian lived in the first house, if the green house is to the left of the white house, then the fifth house cannot be green, and so on.
That left me with clues that related in some way to each other. But even then, you had to make a guess to continue. At that point of guessing, I had all the house colors, I knew where the Norwegian and Brit lived, I knew where the cats and horse were, where the milk and coffee were, and where the Dunhills were smoked.
The Swede had dogs, which left only one of two houses that he could live in. So I guessed and then worked the remainder of the clues from there. The first guess was wrong, but the second one worked everything out fine.
If someone could tell me how that puzzle would be solved without a 50-50 choice at some point, please let me know. Thanks.
2963. CalGal - 1/12/2000 1:20:23 PM
Mint,
Oh, I think that's very relevant, actually. But if you take the URL and just put it into the window, it works fine.
2964. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:20:51 PM
Album-cover quiz (take 2)
19 of the following 20 album covers have been doctored so as to obliterate the titles and band/artist names. Identify them, nonetheless. (For bragging rights: which one appears as is?)
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
2965. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:25:12 PM
(But why does it work for me, even from homepage.com? Could it be that my browser finds cached versions of the pics, and uses those? Oh well -- it should work for everyone, from GeoCities.)
2966. vonKreedon - 1/12/2000 1:26:29 PM
Boy do I feel out of it, the only covers I recognize are the Heads and the Clash. I recognize Baez, but not the cover.
2967. CalGal - 1/12/2000 1:27:19 PM
Is 14 Get a Grip from Aerosmith? But I thought the udder shot was close up.
2968. AceofSpades - 1/12/2000 1:30:38 PM
14 Diver Down Van Halen
2969. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:31:03 PM
vK: specifics, please. (Number, title, band.)
CG: no on 14.
2970. AceofSpades - 1/12/2000 1:31:59 PM
i mean 6
2971. vonKreedon - 1/12/2000 1:32:23 PM
Stumbo - I feel so out of it I'm avoiding such specifics so as to not hinder other, more with it, players.
2972. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:32:35 PM
Ace: yes on 6.
2973. vonKreedon - 1/12/2000 1:34:41 PM
Well, seeing that maybe I'm not such a dweeb, since Spade and Cal have only answered one each:
1: Talking Heads: Speaking in Tongues
15: The Clash: London Calling
2974. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 1:35:26 PM
Didnt' a Pink Floyd album have a cow on it?
2975. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:36:34 PM
vK: yes on 1 and 15.
2976. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 1:36:48 PM
7 is Rush, my favorite group. Moving Pictures.
2977. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:37:19 PM
KtheH: yes on 7.
2978. Dusty - 1/12/2000 1:39:21 PM
What's an album cover?
2979. vonKreedon - 1/12/2000 1:44:38 PM
Ok, I cheated, having recognized Joan I went to Amazon and searched on Baez and then looked at the covers:
9: Joan Baez: Joan Baez Volume 1
2980. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 1:49:20 PM
"What's an album cover?"
Ooooh, that's good Dusty!
2981. Stumbo - 1/12/2000 1:54:54 PM
vK: heh, no probs. Yes on 9.
2982. Thoughtful - 1/12/2000 2:13:23 PM
KtheH,
It's impossible for me to follow all your logical steps, nor at this point could I recreate the ones I took.
I'll try putting this all in white in case others are still playing with the puzzle.
I make a chart with all the possible combinations and permutations, and as I find something definite, I fill in a yes, then x out the rest in the column and row...so that if the first house is yellow, none of the other houses can be yellow and yellow can only be the first house. I then work this information to the next level. So if the German smokes Prince and the guy who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer, the German can't drink beer. By following this through, eventually, you'll get another category where 4 of the 5 are eliminated...like the Norwegian smokes Dunhills.
If I look at the example you gave me where you have all the house colors and positions and Nor& Brit; cats & horse; Milk & coffee; and Dunhills, then you know that Blends must be house #2 as he has a neighbor who drinks water, which must be the Norwegian. Then you know that the one who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer which can't be in the blue house as that owner smokes Blends, so Bluemasters and beer must be in the white house which means the tea drinker has to be in the blue house, which must be the Dane. The German doesn't drink beer, so he must be in the green house, which puts the Swede who owns dogs in the white house. (I never knew Clinton was Swedish!) And so on. Just keep on going and the answer eventually falls out.
Like that.
2983. Raskolnikov - 1/12/2000 2:33:55 PM
Kuligan, here is how I started out. I first looked at house order/ color combinations. We know that the Blue house is #2, since it is next to the Norwegian, who is in #1. We also know that the green house cannot be #3, since we know that the guy in #3 drinks coffee, and the green house owner is a tea drinker. We also know that the Green House owner can't be #1, or #5, since there has to be a white house on his right. So the green house is #4, and the white house is then #5. Since we know the Brit lives in the Red House, this means that house #1, containing the norwegian, is yellow, and house #3 is red.
2984. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 2:37:20 PM
"We also know that the Green House owner can't be #1, or #5, since there has to be a white house on his right."
Why can't the green house be #1? At this point, the white house could have been #2.
Could you give me the post # of the original puzzle Rask? I don't have it anymore. Thanks.
2985. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 2:41:50 PM
Rask, forget what I said about the green house being #1. I just don't have the clues anymore now though, but I recall now why it couldn't be (like you said, because of the Norwegian location).
I'll look for the puzzle.
2986. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 2:44:39 PM
Here it is again:
Here is a quiz (more of a logic problem, actually), that was e-mailed to me. I can't vouch for the authenticity of its claims of origin, but it did take me an hour to solve. It isn't a trick quiz, so the only solution is bulldoze your way through using brainpower. I have seen other puzzles similar to this, but they have always been much shorter.
"There are Five houses (in a row, stretching from left to right) in five different colors. In each house lives a person with a different nationality. These five owners drink a certain drink, smoke a certain cigar, and keep a different pet. No owners have the same pet, smoke the same cigar brand, or drink the same drink. The question is, which person owns the fish (the fifth pet, which isn't mentioned by name in the clues below)?
Clues:
The Brit lives in the Red House
The Swede owns Dogs
The Dane drinks Tea
The green house is on the left of the white house
The green house owner drinks coffee
The person who smokes Pall Malls rears birds
The owner of the Yellow House smokes Dunhills
The man living in the house right in the center drinks milk
The Norwegian lives in the first house
The man who smokes Blends lives next door to the one who keeps cats
The man who keeps horses lives next to the one who smokes Dunhills
The owner who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer
The German smokes Prince
The Norwegian lives next to the Blue house
The man who smokes Blends has a neighbor who drinks water.
2987. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 2:52:13 PM
"The Norwegian lives in the first house"
"The Norwegian lives next to the Blue house"
These two can be eliminated immediately, house 1 has the Norwegian, house 2 is blue.
This also tells us about the green house, which is on the left of the white house, that it can't be #1, #2, or #5. And since it can only be #3 or #4, the white house can only be #4 or #5.
The next easiest clue to eliminate was
"The man living in the house right in the center drinks milk "
2988. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 3:00:38 PM
"The green house owner drinks coffee"
Like Rask already said, this means house #3, the milk drinker, can't be green. So we know that house #4 is green, which makes house #5 white, which leaves us with this clue to use:
"The Brit lives in the Red House"
The only options for the red house are #1 and #3, but because the Norwegian lives in house #1, #3 must be red and hence #1 yellow. So also the Brit we know now is in house #3.
"The green house is on the left of the white house"
This clue was now used, and this one
"The green house owner drinks coffee"
puts coffee in house #4.
"The owner of the Yellow House smokes Dunhills"
is now also eliminated, with Dunhills in house #1.
"The man who keeps horses lives next to the one who smokes Dunhills"
puts the horses in house #2.
2989. Raskolnikov - 1/12/2000 3:04:29 PM
Yep, that is exactly how I proceeded. Once I had solved the house order/house color part, the rest got pretty easy. Most of the time I spent solving the puzzle was spent figuring out that that was the area I should be focusing on. I didn't make the instant connection that house #2 had to be blue, so I was looking at other parts of the puzzle for awhile.
2990. KuligintheHooligan - 1/12/2000 3:05:57 PM
Yes, yes, I have some time on my hands!!
The clues I have left are these:
The Swede owns Dogs
The Dane drinks Tea
The person who smokes Pall Malls rears birds
The man who smokes Blends lives next door to the one who keeps cats
The owner who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer
The German smokes Prince
The man who smokes Blends has a neighbor who drinks water.
At this point I fail to see how you didn't have to take a guess and then work from that guess. The easiest one I thought was to take the top clue, "The Swede owns dogs," which was left to EITHER house #4 or #5, and then work out the other clues based on that guess. I guessed house #4 first but quickly found that it caused problems with other clues. Once I used house #5, though, all the other clues fell neatly into place.
Again, I don't see how a guess isn't at some point necessarily and I would be grateful if someone could show me why I am wrong. Thanks!
2991. Raskolnikov - 1/12/2000 3:21:23 PM
Focus on the drinks. Since the brit is in the middle red house, we know he is the milk drinker, for instance. And since we know that the Norwegian lives in the yellow house, and smokes Dunhills, he can't be the beer drinker, since the beer drinker smokes Bluemaster. So, since the Norwegian can't be drinking Tea (the Dane) milk (the brit), coffee (the green house owner), or beer, by process of elimination he has to be the water drinker.
2992. Raskolnikov - 1/12/2000 3:39:33 PM
And by the way, there is nothing wrong with using a proof by contradiction -assuming one of the options and then seeing whether that assumption conflicts with other deductive steps further on.
2993. DocBrown - 1/12/2000 3:53:06 PM
It is okay to take a guess at this point, Kuligin. You can save time by guessing strategically. Your best bet is to start with the two clues surrounding the Blends smoker, since they relate to his neighbors.
You will see that there are only two possible Blends smokers. Choose one and try fitting both clues into it. Then try to fit another clue somewhere. If you can't fit another clue, you know you guessed wrong on the Blends smoker. Either way you should be done almost instantly.
2994. Thoughtful - 1/12/2000 4:12:51 PM
KtheH... did you not see my post to you with the answers in it? It's in white so just highlight the white space and the letters will magically appear. Obviously, the cat is out of the bag so I can just repeat it here in black....
If I look at the example you gave me where you have all the house colors and positions and Nor& Brit; cats & horse; Milk & coffee; and Dunhills, then you know that Blends must be house #2 as he has a neighbor who drinks water, which must be the Norwegian. Then you know that the one who smokes Bluemasters drinks beer which can't be in the blue house as that owner smokes Blends, so Bluemasters and beer must be in the white house which means the tea drinker has to be in the blue house, which must be the Dane. The German doesn't drink beer, so he must be in the green house, which puts the Swede who owns dogs in the white house. (I never knew Clinton was Swedish!) And so on. Just keep on going and the answer eventually falls out.
2995. Thoughtful - 1/12/2000 4:20:38 PM
What always amazes me about these puzzles is the people who put them together -- stripping down the information to just exactly what is needed and no more.
2996. Raskolnikov - 1/12/2000 4:25:43 PM
I somehow imagine that they do it the same way we do, writing a clue, and seeing how far it can take them before writing another clue.
2997. EricCartman - 1/13/2000 2:03:39 AM
Stumbo quiz Message # 2964:
2 is Fresh Cream
3 is Boy by U2
5 is Them Or Us by Frank Zappa
14 is Atom Heart Mother by Pink Floyd
16 is If You Want Blood You've Got It by AC/DC
18 is Yngwie Malmsteen's first solo album
20 is Who Do We Think We Are! by Deep Purple
2998. EricCartman - 1/13/2000 2:06:51 AM
While I'm here....
2999. EricCartman - 1/13/2000 2:07:05 AM
I'll just take....
3000. EricCartman - 1/13/2000 2:07:22 AM
....the millennial.
3001. Stumbo - 1/13/2000 2:10:37 AM
EC:
I was beginning to fear you were dead, or something. Thanks for finally showing up.
Yes on 2, 5, 14, 16, 18 (Rising Force), and 20. No on 3.
3002. EricCartman - 1/13/2000 2:25:34 AM
Stumbo:
Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated, but not by much. You can see part of what I did over the past week on Win Ben Stein's Money, sometime in mid-April. I will post the exact air date as soon as they let me know.
I was guessing pretty hard on 3, so I'm not surprised I missed it. Rising Force was a pretty good call, though. I'm probably the only person that could have recognized it instantly, as I spent countless hours learning the solos (well, some of them -- there's some remarkably quick stuff on there).
3003. Stumbo - 1/13/2000 2:39:32 AM
EC:
Yay, re Stein. And, yes, I was especially counting on you WRT 18.
What's left:
3 4 8
10 11 12
13 17 19
The bands/artists of 3, 11, and 19 are very well-known; 8 and 10, a bit less so; 12 and 13, a bit less still. 4 and 17 are kinda obscure, esp. the latter.
3004. Stumbo - 1/13/2000 2:44:26 AM
(Mondaugen might be the only person who'd recognize 17, and who knows when he'll surface again.)
3005. KuligintheHooligan - 1/13/2000 2:53:11 AM
Thoughtful, actually, when you said I typed it in white and here it is (and of course there was nothing) I thought you were just joking!! I didn't realize I could actually access the information you posted.
OK, I see now why I didn't have to take a strategic guess. I could have yielded further information by simple elimination.
Which means I could have probably beat my 22 minute mark in completing it!!
Thanks for the help guys.
As for the record albums, I KNEW Pink Floyd had had an album cover with a cow on it, as I already mentioned, but I never would have gotten the actual album title.
3006. Stumbo - 1/13/2000 3:00:25 AM
KtheH:
You could've found it by doing what vK did (#2979). But you get half-credit for that one, anyway.
3007. Stumbo - 1/13/2000 3:09:01 AM
(Of course, the whole point of this quiz was that, here, one can't do a web search completely from scratch, as opposed to the earlier lyrics quizzes; one needs to at least recognize something about a particular cover, first.)
3008. concerned - 1/13/2000 3:19:43 AM
What's the world's worst golfing foursome?
Give up?
It's Ted Kennedy, Clowntoon, OJ Simpson and Monica Lewinsky.
Monica's a hooker, OJ's a slicer, Kennedy can't drive over water & Clowntoon can't remember which hole he played last.
3009. Thoughtful - 1/14/2000 12:25:13 PM
Not a quiz, but fun none the less. A few weeks ago, the Economist mag had an article about "things" that are buried in software -- following certain steps will reveal them, such as a pinball game in MS Word. These things are called Easter Eggs. They gave a web site which also lists and ranks weird facts or mistakes in movies etc. If you want to check it out, go to: www.eeggs.com.
3010. T. Tallis - 1/14/2000 5:44:54 PM
3. Nirvana, "Bleach"?
8. Pixies, "Surfer Rosa"
10. broken .gif
11. The Cure, "?"
12. gotta be PJ Harvey
17. Laibach, "Let it Be"
19. ZZ Top, "?"
3011. T. Tallis - 1/14/2000 5:45:31 PM
oh, there's 10: Bauhaus, "?"
3012. Stumbo - 1/14/2000 6:15:59 PM
TT:
Nice work. To spare you the web-searching, here are the missing album names: 10 is In the Flat Field, 11, Three Imaginary Boys, 12, Dry, and 19, Tres Hombres.
3013. Stumbo - 1/14/2000 6:20:05 PM
That leaves 4 and 13.
4 is by an 80s one-hit wonder; the cover is actually that of the 12" disc of said hit (which itself was a cover! har har), subsequently reused for a best-of collection. 13 is a live album by a 90s band; the barely-visible logo in the top-right corner might give a bit of a hint.
3014. Stumbo - 1/17/2000 3:34:47 PM
OK, to wrap things up, then:
4 was Der Kommissar, by After The Fire.
13 was Roseland NYC Live, by Portishead.
The unaltered cover was that of Atom Heart Mother.
3015. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:05:40 PM
Quick quiz:
Name as many words as possible which end in -ic.
3016. Ronski - 1/18/2000 2:06:18 PM
Thanks for the Easter egg link.
3017. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:06:44 PM
epidemic
pandemic
apopleptic
anemic
ascerbic
endemic
3018. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:07:06 PM
hydrochloric Gallic tantric basic formulaic
3019. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:07:47 PM
sic
3020. Ronski - 1/18/2000 2:07:51 PM
comic, Baltic, psychic, mystic, rustic,
...Is there some sort of time limit?
3021. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:08:02 PM
chic
3022. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:08:19 PM
acidic
moronic
3023. SnowOwl - 1/18/2000 2:08:47 PM
panic ecstatic gigantic emphatic
3024. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:09:03 PM
dramatic
3025. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:09:14 PM
Ronski:
No. And there are lots of them.
A couple of friends and I were drinking a while ago and somehow we ended up doing this.
Hey-- everyone was bored. And pissed off. I thought it might be a good diversion.
balsamic
3026. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:09:32 PM
panegyric
3027. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:10:00 PM
pic
ionic
doric
3028. SnowOwl - 1/18/2000 2:10:18 PM
horrific honorific
3029. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:10:24 PM
euphoric
3030. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:10:51 PM
cataclysmic
3031. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:11:26 PM
rubric passifistic
3032. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:11:43 PM
pacifisitic, I meant
3033. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:12:02 PM
Helenic
3034. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:12:21 PM
Hassidic (hey, if Baltic is fair game)..
lyric
elegiac
3035. theDiva - 1/18/2000 2:12:47 PM
or even pacifistic
3036. Indiana Jones - 1/18/2000 2:12:48 PM
orgasmic
3037. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:12:54 PM
Why go for pacifistic when you've got pacific untaken?
3038. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:13:24 PM
"elegiac" ends in -ac. I was going to say that myself, but then I spelled it out.
copacetic
bombastic
3039. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:13:54 PM
catatonic
3040. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:13:55 PM
tic
Bic
3041. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:14:18 PM
bric (as in -a-brac)
3042. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:14:33 PM
Styptic
3043. Indiana Jones - 1/18/2000 2:14:43 PM
multi-orgasmic
3044. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:15:29 PM
derivative.
Drink.
3045. Indiana Jones - 1/18/2000 2:15:52 PM
Hic
3046. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:15:56 PM
(Derivatives and repetitions require drinking.
Maybe that's why the game seemed fun at the time.)
3047. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:16:21 PM
septic
antibiotic
bionic
robotic
3048. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:17:05 PM
And then there's Atlantic.
3049. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:17:15 PM
electronic
logic
3050. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:17:46 PM
algebraic
geometric
3051. PelleNilsson - 1/18/2000 2:17:55 PM
flegmatic
enigmatic
sporadic
claustrophobic
automatic
The list must be very long.
3052. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:17:57 PM
frantic
Germanic
Arabic
3053. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:18:31 PM
soporific
Very long. We got a night's drinking game out of it.
3054. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:18:48 PM
frenetic
3055. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:19:04 PM
acrobatic
gymnastic
3056. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:19:10 PM
I don't think we've had a repetition yet.
3057. Ronski - 1/18/2000 2:19:15 PM
cyclonic
3058. PelleNilsson - 1/18/2000 2:19:52 PM
Now Ace will compose a Dusty-like (Dustic) table of all words submitted so far and by whom.
3059. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:19:53 PM
Hebraic
3060. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:20:17 PM
cyclonic?
CYCLONIC???
Tonic
3061. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:20:54 PM
nihilistic
altruistic
3062. Ronski - 1/18/2000 2:21:26 PM
colonic
3063. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:21:37 PM
collic
tropic
arctic
antarctic
3064. Ronski - 1/18/2000 2:21:59 PM
As in cyclonic flow, a meteorological term.
3065. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:22:29 PM
as in bullshit
3066. Ronski - 1/18/2000 2:23:00 PM
Nonsense. Visit a weather site.
3067. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:23:06 PM
topic
semantic
frolic
3068. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:24:06 PM
Eat me. Drink.
heroic
3069. Ronski - 1/18/2000 2:24:13 PM
(or a dictionary)
3070. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:24:45 PM
romantic
optimistic
pessimistic
fluoric (etc.)
3071. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:26:22 PM
hydroponic
sonic
3072. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:26:40 PM
phonic
stereophonic
3073. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:27:26 PM
hydraulic
quadrophonic
octophonic
dodecaphonic
3074. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:27:54 PM
bubonic
3075. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:28:31 PM
aphasic
3076. CalGal - 1/18/2000 2:29:10 PM
frenetic
phallic
colic (unless Ace just misspelled it)
3077. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:29:16 PM
epiliptic
narcoleptic
anaphylactic
3078. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:29:45 PM
I think I mispelled it. I meant the disease.
prophylactic.
3079. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:30:07 PM
manic
3080. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:30:26 PM
tragic
comedic
melodramatic
3081. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:31:00 PM
fistic -- I think this is a word.
3082. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:32:04 PM
realistic
pragmatic
paradigmatic
3083. Indiana Jones - 1/18/2000 2:36:16 PM
What say we make this game more challenging and say you can't add a word that comes earlier in the alphabet than any previous word?
zymotic
3084. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:38:40 PM
systemic
spastic
psychosomatic
3085. Thoughtful - 1/18/2000 2:39:04 PM
sic ascorbic photovoltaic sulfuric acetic magnetic electric photographic photogenic hydrochloric hydraulic magic *phobic (too many phobias to name) terrific
3086. AceofSpades - 1/18/2000 2:41:12 PM
Well, it's been copacetic.
3087. Indiana Jones - 1/18/2000 2:45:01 PM
There's only one person I know who uses copacetic.
Mom?
3088. Thoughtful - 1/18/2000 2:47:59 PM
high colonic -- BLECCH!
3089. Indiana Jones - 1/18/2000 3:00:21 PM
Okay, I was reading a newspaper and I've got an idea for a new game. But we need some volunteers. Warning: it is a cruel game in the mode of Japanese game shows. Also, I haven't made up all the rules yet. If you want to play, post here that you want to be included.
There will a 24-hour time limit to indicate interest. If at least a dozen people don't indicate they want in, I'm not going to bother with it.
3090. EricCartman - 1/19/2000 6:30:19 AM
Not 100% sure, but I don't think any of these came up in the -ic quiz (best I could do in a couple minutes):
panic
dyslexic
mosaic
symmetric
plastic
pathetic
æsthetic
pneumatic
micro-/tele-/gyroscopic
static
ecstatic
aspic
syndic
Very Brief Quiz, along the same line: Long ago, I read that there are only four words in the English language which end in -efy. I doubt that that is absolutely definitive, but what are the most obvious four?
3091. ScottLoar - 1/19/2000 7:38:45 AM
Stupefy, liquefy.
3092. ScottLoar - 1/19/2000 7:42:26 AM
Defy.
3093. Indiana Jones - 1/19/2000 8:27:26 AM
putrefy
3094. tmachine - 1/19/2000 10:46:14 AM
antic
cyclic
bulimic
anorexic
eclectic
3095. Indiana Jones - 1/19/2000 12:02:29 PM
Alright. So no one wants to play my game. I guess you'd rather join Ace in another heart-stopping word game like "find words that end in the letters 'ic'."
Well, kiss my ass.
None of you is worthy of my genius!
3096. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/19/2000 12:36:22 PM
Indy:
Tell us what the game is, and we'll probably want to sign on. If others are like me, they're leery of committing to something sight unseen.
3097. Raskolnikov - 1/19/2000 2:00:22 PM
Indy: I'm with Irv. I am not going to commit to a game, particulary one described as "cruel", unless I know enough about it that I am convinced I will enjoy it.
3098. Raskolnikov - 1/19/2000 2:01:44 PM
Also, I have read that there is only word in the English language ending in the letters...
"-califragilisticexpialidocious".
Can anyone guess what the word is?
3099. theDiva - 1/19/2000 2:02:41 PM
Besides, most of the threads in the Mote could be classified as a 'cruel game'. It'd sorta be redundant.
3100. theDiva - 1/19/2000 2:03:18 PM
Rask
Wait - let me launch Excel. I'll have the answer in three or four days.
3101. Indiana Jones - 1/19/2000 2:57:54 PM
Rask and Irv: What do you mean? That approach always works for me on blind dates.
Here's the game I saw described in the newspaper article that I think could be adapted into an online version. It's another "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" ripoff in which a team of contestants is put on a desert island to survive as best they can. On each episode, the team votes out one of the contestants. When it gets down to the last two contestants, the people voted out in turn get to vote on the winner. Pretty simple, but seems to have lots of promise as far as negotiation, diplomacy, etc.
I need to figure out something to take the place of the desert island challenge, though. Some other group project our team could work on that's doable online. Off the top of my head, I thought the gamemaster could come up with a series of puzzles that the team tries to solve.
Anybody else have any suggestions?
3102. Amanda Reckonwyth - 1/20/2000 1:19:37 PM
Already worn out your copy of Myst, have you?
3103. JudithAtHome - 1/20/2000 1:55:42 PM
Indiana:
That sounds more like a "Greed" rip off.
Amanda:
I like your last name. Welcome...
3104. EricCartman - 1/20/2000 5:36:53 PM
Actually, it was a game show in one of the Scandiwegian countries (Sweden, I think). CBS is thinking of producing their own version, called "Survivor".
I'd try it, as long as there was a Mary Ann on the island also.
3105. HCaulfield - 1/20/2000 5:45:06 PM
beefy
3106. janjon - 1/20/2000 5:59:10 PM
Amanda Reckonwyth. That is very funny. Sort of Brooklyn and the UK tied up in one bundle of cyberspace anonymity.
As for Ace's little quiz (??) - did anyone get the one that fits it to a tee? And, to top it off, is one of his favorite words: moronic.
3107. EricCartman - 1/20/2000 6:02:42 PM
Caulfield:
Good one! Loar and Indy got the four I was thinking of pretty quickly, but I was hoping someone could come up with more.
3108. Indiana Jones - 1/20/2000 6:19:32 PM
Yes, that is clever. BTW, I thought Holden was referring to Mary Ann.
3109. cmboyce - 1/21/2000 5:04:43 PM
Here's a quiz, tapped from the web. Some of you may have seen this one, but if you still remember (and wanna be grabby) go ahead.
D: Name the source of these remarks:
1) William tired himself with seeking an epithet for the cuckoo.
2) Men will forgive a man anything except bad prose.
3) A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.
4) Remember that you are a human being with the divine gift of articulate
speech . . . and don't sit there crooning like a bilious pigeon.
5) The true use of speech is not so much to express our wants as to conceal
them.
6) Every quotation contributes something to the stability or enlargement of
the language.
Also: rarefy
3110. CalGal - 1/21/2000 5:57:29 PM
4) Pygmalion
3111. cmboyce - 1/21/2000 10:08:29 PM
Cal gets #4.
(Actually, only the author is necessary. In fact, while "Name the source" is copied from the quiz as I found it, the answers they gave were authors. This is the only one of these where I would even remotely expect anyone to guess the actual work. And this is not to diminish Cal's achievement; it's just that none of the others is even a little familiar, at least to me (though a couple of the authors seem guessable).)
3112. cmboyce - 1/21/2000 10:10:05 PM
Actually, another of them is indeed best known by the source; sorry. In fact, its author is anonymous.
3113. CalGal - 1/21/2000 10:13:14 PM
God, I forgot about this quiz! I answered the first and then had to run off. In truth, #4 is one where I know the source far better than I know the author, but it's GBS.
6 is Twain.
3114. CalGal - 1/21/2000 10:16:58 PM
I think 3 is from the Bible?
3115. cmboyce - 1/21/2000 10:20:43 PM
#3 is indeed from the Bible; extra credit is offered is you can name the book therein. #6, however, is not Twain.
3116. CalGal - 1/21/2000 10:31:45 PM
6 isn't Twain? Lord, I thought I'd seen that in one of those Quote of the Day things just last week.
I have no notion of books in the Bible. Exodus? No. Well, there's Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John but I think they'd then be the author. Genesis? No, too frivolous. Revelations? Is there a book called Revelations?
3117. theDiva - 1/21/2000 10:33:10 PM
3. Proverbs 25:11
3118. theDiva - 1/21/2000 10:34:38 PM
oh, and Proverbs has been attributed to Solomon.
3119. cmboyce - 1/21/2000 10:37:24 PM
Hmmm. I don't think you're going to get the Bible scholarship award for this semester. MML&J would indeed be authors. There is a Revelations, but that ain't it. It's the Apocalypse one. No silvergilt tschatschkas there. (Surely that chachkas there (and here) is misspelled. I love that word, but I can never spell it.)
3120. theDiva - 1/21/2000 10:38:43 PM
tchotchke
and it's Revelation, singular.
3121. cmboyce - 1/21/2000 10:42:35 PM
Very good, Div! Did you look that up? And yes, but that attribution is pretty surely apocryphal.
3119 was of course directed to Cal. You, Diva, do win the Biblical Scholarship award, in the form of eXtra credit!!!
3122. theDiva - 1/21/2000 10:49:44 PM
cmb
well, just the verse....does it still count?
3123. CalGal - 1/21/2000 10:51:52 PM
Yeah, yeah. You read one book, you've read them all.
Okay, if I ignore my faulty view of a Quote of a Day, I'm guessing Johnson for 6.
3124. cmboyce - 1/21/2000 10:57:36 PM
'Course it counts, Deev.
Very good, CalGal! Gets her own rebound and stuffs it. Johnson it is.
That leaves:
1) William tired himself with seeking an epithet for the cuckoo.
2) Men will forgive a man anything except bad prose.
5) The true use of speech is not so much to express our wants as to conceal them.
3125. theDiva - 1/21/2000 10:58:59 PM
2. Marjoribanks
3126. theDiva - 1/21/2000 10:59:39 PM
Seriously, I'm stumped on all of them. 2 sounds familiar but I'm too tired to guess.
3127. HCaulfield - 1/22/2000 12:34:42 AM
1) David Foster Wallace
2) Bret Easton Ellis
5) Roland Barthes
3128. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 9:15:01 AM
Men will forgive a man anything except bad prose. -- Bret Easton Ellis
Oh the irony.
"Bunny showed up at the party with a gayboy but who offered to sell me Xanax if I wanted it. Bunny was on Xanax, Prozac, Demerol, Thorazine, and a Mexican-manufactured fish tranquilizer whose name I didn't catch. Then me, Bunny, and the gayboy went over to Chad's after hours party. Chad was on cocaine, heroin..."
Eeesh.
3129. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:00:47 AM
A lot of these are really easy. It's the two or three obscure ones that make this quiz worthwhile.
British Rockers
Here are the original names of some British rock stars of the 70s and 80s. Give the names they were better known as:
1) Georgios Kyriakos Panayiotou
2) Paul Gadd
3) Peter Lee Stirling
4) Farookh Bulsara
5) David Robert Jones
6) Steven Georgiou (extra credit: what is his name now?)
7) William Broad
8) Gordon Sumner
9) George O'Dowd
10) Marc Field
11) Reginald Dwight
3130. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:08:36 AM
1)1) Georgios Kyriakos Panayiotou -- George Michael
5) David Robert Jones -- David Bowie
8) Gordon Sumner -- Sting
9) George O'Dowd -- Boy George
10) Marc Field -- A guess: Marc Bolan of T Rex?
11) Reginald Dwight -- Elton John
3131. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:10:29 AM
Ace:
All correct... very good on Bolan (that was one of the harder ones).
3132. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:11:01 AM
7) William Broad -- W. Axl Rose?
3133. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:12:37 AM
That was a total guess, based only on "Marc." Damn, I'm good.
For some reason, I'm guessing one of your choices is about the lead singer of Roxy Music, whose name I can't remember, but it's obviously an invented name. The last name has something to do with flowers, or a spice, or something like that.
3134. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:13:49 AM
Like "Clover" or "Ginger."
Almond! Marc Almond.
Oh well, had I thought of Marc Almond, I would have said him for Marc Field.
3135. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:14:59 AM
Ace:
W. Axl Rose (real name: Bill Bailey) is not correct. Is he British?
3136. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:15:48 AM
No, he's American.
3137. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:16:49 AM
I thought Bryan Ferry was the lead singer of Roxy Music.
3138. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:18:22 AM
I thought Rose was American... remember, this is a quiz of British rockers.
3139. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:18:34 AM
Um, yeah, he is.
So who's Marc Almond?
3140. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:19:04 AM
Ohhhhh... I missed the "British" thing.
3141. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:21:02 AM
No idea who Almond is... I've never heard of him. Unless he's one of the "Almond Brothers." (ugh)
3142. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:21:44 AM
The Soft Cell guy?
3143. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:22:20 AM
7) William Broad -- Billy Idol?
3144. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:23:26 AM
I've never heard of Soft Cell, but I looked it up, and there was Marc Almond.
3145. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:24:39 AM
Correct on Broad (Billy Idol).
3146. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:25:12 AM
Soft Cell did "Tainted Love."
3147. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:26:25 AM
Yeah, I saw that when I looked it up. I missed the first half of the 80s, musically.
3148. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:28:11 AM
12) D.P.A. MacManus
3149. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:28:38 AM
Still looking for the following:
British Rockers
Here are the original names of some British rock stars of the 70s and 80s. Give the names they were better known as:
2) Paul Gadd
3) Peter Lee Stirling
4) Farookh Bulsara
6) Steven Georgiou (extra credit: what is his name now?)
I thought #4 was one of the really easy ones.
3150. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:31:34 AM
It probably is, but you've only got one guy playing at the moment.
3151. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:32:08 AM
A clue for #2. This singer had one really big hit in the early seventies... a song which lives on in sports stadiums across America. Recent news reports indicate that he is down and out. He also recorded as Paul Raven and Paul Monday before abandoning the name "Paul."
3152. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:33:15 AM
Well, for one guy playing, you're doing pretty well, Ace.
3153. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:34:47 AM
2) is Garry Glitter.
That hint was far too big.
3154. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:37:20 AM
Ace:
Correct on Glitter. Without the hint, it might never have been answered.
3155. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:41:20 AM
4) A guess: Freddy Mercury. Obviously an invented name, and maybe he looks a little like a "Farookh."
3156. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:43:06 AM
British Rockers
Still up for grabs:
Here are the original names of some British rock stars of the 70s and 80s. Give the names they were better known as:
3) Peter Lee Stirling
4) Farookh Bulsara
6) Steven Georgiou (extra credit: what is his name now?)
Plus an addition from Ace:
12) D.P.A. MacManus
#4 and #6 should be easy, as soon as someone other than Ace shows up. A clue for #3: this one-hit-wonder took his name from a famous American.
3157. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:44:36 AM
3) John Paul Jones? I was acutally going to guess that for "Paul Gadd."
3158. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:44:49 AM
Ace:
Freddie Mercury is correct. He was a Parsee (born in Zanzibar, raised in Bombay). His original stage name was "Larry Lorex." Mercury was a much more inspired choice.
3160. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:46:11 AM
Related question:
What three British rock singers flirted with the idea of touring together under the name, "Lips, Nose, and Teeth"?
3161. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:47:36 AM
No, not John Paul Jones, who, strangely enough, uses his real name.
3162. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:49:48 AM
Ace:
Lips has gotta be Mick Jagger. Nose is maybe Rod Stewart. And I'll guess Freddie Mercury for teeth.
3163. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:50:44 AM
John Paul Jones trivia-- he was the only American commander to score a victory on English soil during the Revolutionary War. (He sailed to England, pursued by the British fleet, and sacked a British town like a pirate).
3164. AceofSpades - 1/22/2000 10:51:00 AM
Irv:
Yeahp.
3165. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 10:53:38 AM
In revenge, the other John Paul Jones has sacked a few American hotel rooms.
3166. OhioSTOPAS - 1/22/2000 11:52:11 AM
6 is probably Cat Stevens.
Cat Stevens has since taken an Islamic name, but I don't know what it is.
3167. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 11:58:01 AM
Ohio:
Correct on Cat Stevens. I'll leave the extra credit part open.
Still remaining:
British Rockers
3) Peter Lee Stirling (this one-hit-wonder took his name from a famous American)
Plus an addition from Ace:
12) D.P.A. MacManus
3168. phillipdavid - 1/22/2000 12:01:53 PM
3) Paul Revere?
3169. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 12:05:55 PM
No, Paul Revere (his real name) was an American.
3170. joezan - 1/22/2000 12:33:03 PM
12. E. Costello?
3171. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/22/2000 12:40:36 PM
Well, I'm going to close off my quiz, since it's bedtime here.
The answer to #3 is Daniel Boone (who had a hit in 1972 with "Beautiful Sunday").
Cat Stevens changed his name in 1979 to "Yusef Islam" when he converted to my religion (about the same time his career tanked).
And I think JoeZan is right about #12, but I'll let Ace confirm it.
3172. cmboyce - 1/22/2000 1:29:49 PM
Here are the unanswered questions of my previous (admittedly less amusing) quiz:
Name the authors of:
1) William tired himself with seeking an epithet for the cuckoo.
2) Men will forgive a man anything except bad prose.
5) The true use of speech is not so much to express our wants as to conceal them.
I'll let them stand for another hour or so, in case anyone's interested.
3173. cmboyce - 1/22/2000 1:32:54 PM
Oh, I should add that HCaulfield's answers (at Message # 3127) were splendid, but incorrect.
3174. PelleNilsson - 1/22/2000 2:46:05 PM
2) Oscar Wilde? If not him somebody from that period I think. Disraeli?
3175. cmboyce - 1/22/2000 2:51:03 PM
Hello, Pelle. Nope. Wrong period (though the lives of Wilde and this guy overlap); Disraeli and this guy have an important thing in common (though their lives do not overlap, I don't think).
3176. PelleNilsson - 1/22/2000 2:53:55 PM
Churchill
3177. cmboyce - 1/22/2000 2:57:40 PM
Very good. (A little too much clue there, perhaps. You're welcome.)
Another clue: At #1, the author and the subject share a name.
3178. Stumbo - 1/22/2000 5:02:49 PM
Speaking of Marc Almond:
Here's a clip (.wav, 1:17, 600k) from a piece he did with J.G. (Foetus) Thirlwell. What well-known musical work is this based on?
(My apologies for the poor sound quality. And, of course, the polyphony works much better in stereo, heh.)
3179. cmboyce - 1/22/2000 8:00:29 PM
I have to go, so I'll post the answers to the two remaining questions of my quiz:
"William tired himself with seeking an epithet for the cuckoo" was written by Dorothy Wordsworth, of her brother, I think in a journal entry, possibly in a letter.
"The true use of speech is not so much to express our wants as to conceal them" was written by Oliver Goldsmith, I know not where.
See y'all later.
3180. EricCartman - 1/23/2000 2:23:36 AM
Irv Message # 3161:
Actually, John Paul Jones was born John Baldwin. The other three Zeps did use their given names, though.
3181. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/23/2000 2:28:04 AM
Cart:
Thanks. My source failed to mention that (it usually lists original names, and had no original name for Jones, so I assumed it was his real name). Which leads to a more important question -- why would a Brit choose "John Paul Jones" for a moniker?
3182. EricCartman - 1/23/2000 3:08:59 AM
Irv:
That's a good question, and I have absolutely no idea what the answer is. I do know he changed it pretty early on, when he was 18 or 19 years old, and started doing session work.
3183. dusty - 1/23/2000 1:06:59 PM
Wonkers posted a list of movie endings in the TV thread. The suggestion was made that they be posted in the Quiz thread, but there was a concern about spoilers.
So here is the list, but you don't have to view it if you don't want to.
Movie Endings
Respond using the Number of the ending.
I'll let Wonkers or CG check the answers.
3184. Indiana Jones - 1/23/2000 5:06:16 PM
2. Tootsie
3. Empire Strikes Back
6. Rosemary's Baby
7. Devil's Advocate
11. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf
17. Murder on the Orient Express
18. Casablanca
19. Midnight Cowboy
20. Titanic
21. Vertigo
25. Manchurian Candidate
26. Charly
27. Bridge over the River Kwai and For Whom the Bell Tolls
28. Thelma and Louise
3185. Indiana Jones - 1/23/2000 5:09:40 PM
Oops, 28 should have been 30.
34. Public Enemy
39. L.A. Confidential
40. Fatal Attraction
42. Planet of the Apes
45 G-II
46. Duel in the Sun, Bonnie & Clyde
49. Invasion of the Body Snatchers
51. Wizard of Oz
59. Citizen Kane
Okay, now I've done all the hard ones; somebody else can do the gimmes.
3186. CalGal - 1/23/2000 5:12:19 PM
2 is The Crying Game, not Tootsie. But I see what you mean.
3187. CalGal - 1/23/2000 5:14:41 PM
31. Laura
32. The Third Man
3188. CalGal - 1/23/2000 5:16:31 PM
35. Pretty in Pink
36. Risky Business
3189. CalGal - 1/23/2000 5:17:30 PM
4. Chinatown
43. Failsafe
3190. CalGal - 1/23/2000 5:20:03 PM
Actually, 32 must be Diabolique.
3191. CalGal - 1/23/2000 5:21:44 PM
Of course, 58 could be the Wizard of Oz, too. And 53 could also be Planet of the Apes.
3192. SnowOwl - 1/23/2000 5:28:34 PM
2. Or Some Like it Hot
3193. CalGal - 1/23/2000 5:34:17 PM
Yeahp! Good call.
The finish line smirking one is plaguing me.
3194. T. Tallis - 1/23/2000 5:57:11 PM
10. Fight Club
12. either Forrest Gump or The Loneliness of the Long-Distance Runner
23. The Fourth Man
24. Don't Look Now
29. Cold Heaven?????
33. Little Big Man
41. Carrie
44. A Simple Plan
3195. wonkers2 - 1/23/2000 10:57:51 PM
13. The Usual Suspects ?
23. Ran
30. Thelma and Louise
50. Blade Runner
3196. Raskolnikov - 1/24/2000 10:12:25 AM
1) Sixth Sense
2) Crying Game
3) Empire Strikes Back
4) Chinatown
5) Psycho
6) Rosemary's Baby
7) Devil's Advocate
8) Dogma
9) Sleuth
*10) Meet Joe Black?
11) Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe?
*12) dunno
13) Usual Suspects
14) Seven
*15) kinda vague
*16) ditto
17) Murder on the Orient Express
18) Casablanca
19) Midnight Cowboy
20) Titanic
21) Vertigo
22) Last Tango in Paris
23) In the Realm of the Senses
24) Don't Look Now
25) Manchurian Candidate
26) Charly
27) Bridge on the River Kwai
*28) dunno
*29) dunno
30) Thelma and Louise
31) Laura
32) The Third Man
*33) Green Mile? or Little Big Man?
34) White Heat (although its a misquote)
35) Pretty in Pink
36) Risky Business
*37) American Gigolo? (haven't seen it)
38) Pretty Woman
39) American Beauty
40) Fatal Attraction
41) Carrie
42) Planet of the Apes
43) Fail Safe
44) Simple Plan
45) Godfather II
46) Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
47) The Wild Bunch
*48) Donnie Brasco?
49) Invasion of the Body Snatchers (v2)
50) Blade Runner
51) Wizard of Oz
52) Airport (x) (although it happens in Terminal Velocity too)
*53) Capricorn 1?
54) Saving Private Ryan
55) Old Yeller
56) Lassie Come Home
57) The Game
*58) Wizard of Oz, Brazil, Jacob's Ladder...
59) Citizen Kane
I asterixed the ones I wasn't sure about.
3197. CalGal - 1/24/2000 10:39:22 AM
Oh, that makes sense for 53. I couldn't see why they had Planet of the Apes on there twice.
It's Airport 75 where Karen Black flies the plane, although I seem to recall Doris Day doing it many moons earlier in one of her bad 60s movies. Plus, she doesn't land the plane, does she? She flies it over a mountain.
3198. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 11:37:23 AM
Here's a follow-up quiz to my quiz on British rockers the other day. I'm splitting this one into two parts, based on the dates the artists were most popular:
American Rockers
Give the names the following artists from the 50s and 60s were best known as. The list includes rock, pop and R&B. Some are easy. Some are, uh, a little tougher.
Part I: The 50s and 60s
1) Thomas Jackson
2) Joachim Krauledat
3) Charles Westover
4) Ellen Naomi Cohen
5) John Ramistella
6) Francis Castellucio
7) Steveland Morris
8) Autry DeWalt II
9) Richard Wayne Penniman
10) Walden Robert Cassotto
11) Charles Hatcher
12) Benjamin Earl Nelson
3199. PsychProf - 1/24/2000 11:42:07 AM
9 little richard
3200. theDiva - 1/24/2000 11:44:41 AM
7. Stevie Wonder
3201. theDiva - 1/24/2000 11:46:37 AM
6. Connie Francis
3202. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 11:51:42 AM
PP is correct on #9, and Diva nailed #7.
Deev, try again on #6, keeping in mind that "Francis" is a man's name ("Frances" is the female version).
3203. theDiva - 1/24/2000 11:54:31 AM
aw, phooey.
3204. rdbrewer - 1/24/2000 11:57:26 AM
Is 3 or 11 Chuck Berry? Is 12 Earl Butz?
3205. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:00:51 PM
6. Frankie Avalon
3206. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:01:41 PM
No, wait, that's wrong, his name was Avallone. Damn!
3207. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:03:43 PM
RD:
Sorry...
Deev:
Well, you got the "Frankie" part right. Keep trying.
3208. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:07:23 PM
A few clues:
• Numbers 7, 8 and 11 all recorded for Motown.
• Number 12 and Number 1 only changed their last names (while fiddling a little with the other names).
3209. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:07:53 PM
Duh.
Frankie Valli. My homie. Jayus.
3210. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:12:33 PM
12 has to be Ben E. King
And didn't I get #7?
3211. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:13:57 PM
8. AHA!!!!!!!!
Junior Walker.
3212. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:33:21 PM
Deev:
I already said you got #7. And Frankie Valli, Ben E. King and Jr. Walker are all correct.
3213. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:34:56 PM
Cool.
That other Motown one is bugging the heck outta me.
One of my aunts dated Bobby Valli. I can't believe I didn't get that one right away.
3214. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:37:04 PM
Still remaining:
American Rockers
Give the names the following artists from the 50s and 60s were best known as. The list includes rock, pop and R&B. Some are easy. Some are, uh, a little tougher.
Part I: The 50s and 60s
1) Thomas Jackson (clue: only the last name was changed)
2) Joachim Krauledat (clue: leader of a rock group)
3) Charles Westover (clue: killed himself a few years ago)
4) Ellen Naomi Cohen (clue: died in 1974)
5) John Ramistella
10) Walden Robert Cassotto
11) Charles Hatcher (clue: recorded for Motown)
3215. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:39:46 PM
OK, Deev, I'll give you a clue for the other Motown one. His biggest hit was also a hit for a major rock singer in the 80s.
3216. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:42:08 PM
Yipes.
80s rock is not my strong suit.
Is 4 Janis Joplin?
3217. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:48:17 PM
And is #3 that wasted looking guy who stares balefully out at you from t-shirts hanging loosely from the angular, consumptive-looking bodies of sullen teenagers? With a scraggly beard. The guy, I mean.
3218. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:50:24 PM
Diva:
Well, the rock star I'm referring to isn't just any rock star. He's the boss.
And no, not Joplin. The artist in #4 was a little larger than life.
3219. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:51:30 PM
Deev:
I don't know the t-shirt you refer to, but I don't think it's the singer in #3.
3220. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:52:27 PM
Bruce, of course. Dang. What Motown song did he cover, I wonder. Allow me to cogitate.
4 couldn't be Mama Cass, could it? Did she really die all that long ago?
3221. JJBiener - 1/24/2000 12:53:09 PM
1. Tom Jones
3222. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:55:30 PM
Kurt Cobain. That's the wasted-looking guy. Is he #3?
3223. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:56:53 PM
Deev:
I think Bruce has only covered one Motown song (and he did it quite well, too).
Yes, Mama Cass is correct.
JJ:
No, not Tom Jones. These are Americans in this here quiz.
3224. theDiva - 1/24/2000 12:57:57 PM
urk.
This is gonna bug me.
3225. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 12:59:13 PM
Deev:
I don't think Kurt Cobain was recording in the 50s or 60s. As a matter of fact, the artist in #3 had his biggest hit in 1961, while is before Kurt Cobain was born.
3226. theDiva - 1/24/2000 1:02:44 PM
Jaysus, that's right. I got fixated on the suicide thing and forgot the theme.
You got me stumped on this Springsteen hint, dagnabit!
3227. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:06:31 PM
Deev:
Ask a co-worker. They'll all know what Motown hit Springsteen covered in 1986.
3228. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:11:56 PM
Still remaining:
American Rockers
Give the names the following artists from the 50s and 60s were best known as. The list includes rock, pop and R&B. Some are easy. Some are, uh, a little tougher.
Part I: The 50s and 60s
1) Thomas Jackson (clue: only the last name was changed, but the first name is a bit different)
2) Joachim Krauledat (clue: leader of a rock group -- his American group also had a German name)
3) Charles Westover (clue: killed himself a few years ago; biggest hit in 1961)
5) John Ramistella (clue: Given his name by DJ Alan Freed in 1958)
10) Walden Robert Cassotto (clue: died in 1973)
11) Charles Hatcher (clue: recorded for Motown; his biggest hit was covered by Springsteen in 1986)
3229. Dantheman - 1/24/2000 1:12:34 PM
2. John Kay (of Steppenwolf).
3230. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:14:20 PM
Dan:
John Kay is corect!
3231. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:14:49 PM
But "corect" is not...
3232. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:31:08 PM
I'm off to bed, so a few more clues...
1) Thomas Jackson
(clues: only the last name was changed, but the first name takes a slightly different form; had his first hit (of many) at age 18 in 1966)
3) Charles Westover
(clues: killed himself a few years ago; biggest hit in 1961; last hit in 1982)
5) John Ramistella
(clue: Given his name by DJ Alan Freed in 1958; big star of 60s and 70s)
10) Walden Robert Cassotto
(clue: died in 1973; biggest hit (of many) was in 1959; nominated for an Oscar; married to a film star)
11) Charles Hatcher
(clue: recorded for Motown; his biggest hit (his only #1 hit) was covered by Springsteen in 1986)
3233. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:32:47 PM
Jeez, I'm practically giving away the answers here...
3234. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 1:34:24 PM
10. Bobby Darin?
3235. Dantheman - 1/24/2000 1:34:49 PM
1. Tommy James?
3236. JJBiener - 1/24/2000 1:36:04 PM
1. Tommy James
11. Charles Brown
3237. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:36:47 PM
Bobby Darin and Tommy James are correct. I knew if I kept adding clues, someone would get the answers.
Still remaining:
3) Charles Westover
(clues: killed himself a few years ago; biggest hit in 1961; last hit in 1982)
5) John Ramistella
(clue: Given his name by DJ Alan Freed in 1958; big star of 60s and 70s)
11) Charles Hatcher
(clues: recorded for Motown; his biggest hit (his only #1 hit) was covered by Springsteen in 1986)
3238. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:38:36 PM
Who is Charles Brown? The artist I'm looking for chose a name with no relation to his real name.
Another clue for #3: his big hit was the theme song for a TV show in the 80s (set in the 60s).
3239. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 1:39:18 PM
11. Chubby Checker?? (I'm making wild-ass guesses now.)
3240. CalGal - 1/24/2000 1:42:47 PM
3) Del Shannon?
3241. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:42:49 PM
Chubby didn't record for Motown.
Ok, another clue: #11's big hit (the one covered by Springsteen) was during Motown's period of "social consciousness" (you know, when the Temptations did "Ball of Confusion" and "Unite the World" and Marvin Gaye did "What's Going On?" and "Inner City Blues.") In fact, #11's song is a Motown protest song.
3242. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:43:48 PM
Del Shannon is correct. I figured the TV reference had a good chance of bringing CalGal out of the woodwork!
3243. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:46:21 PM
Another clue for CalGal and any others with TV knowledge:
#5 also did a TV theme, back in the 60s, and had a big hit with the theme song of the TV series.
3244. JJBiener - 1/24/2000 1:48:00 PM
Irv - My band covers Inner City Blues. It is a great song.
BTW, What was the 80's TV show in #3? I don't remember it.
3245. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 1:48:30 PM
11. Edwin Starr!
3246. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 1:49:58 PM
5. Johnny Rivers
3247. JJBiener - 1/24/2000 1:50:39 PM
#5 John Sebastian?
3248. JJBiener - 1/24/2000 1:51:29 PM
Ohio - Secret Agent Man. I forgot about that one.
3249. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:53:27 PM
Ohio:
Correct! I'm amazed it took so long to get that one.
JJ:
So many of the old Motown songs are excellent.
I'm terrible at remembering the names of TV shows (and it was only on the air here for a few months anyway. It was about mafia types, and took place in Chicago (I think) and then moved to Las Vegas for a few seasons.
Only one left:
5) John Ramistella
(clues: Given his name by DJ Alan Freed in 1958; big star of 60s and 70s; did a TV theme, back in the 60s, and had a big hit with the theme song of the TV series)
3250. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:54:17 PM
Ah, I see Ohio nailed Johnny Rivers.
Well, that's a wrap. I'm off to bed, finally.
3251. theDiva - 1/24/2000 1:55:00 PM
Good quiz, Irv. Good night!
3252. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 1:56:13 PM
For Diva's benefit, the Edwin Starr tune which Springsteen covered was "War."
3253. CalGal - 1/24/2000 2:03:29 PM
Good quiz, Irv!
3254. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 2:16:02 PM
Good quiz, Irv. I'll try one:
What early-to-mid-60's teen idol currently lives in OhioSTOPAS's home town in Connecticut?
3255. theDiva - 1/24/2000 2:18:17 PM
Jaysus.
I can't believe it.
3256. CalGal - 1/24/2000 2:21:30 PM
No, Diva, Jesus wasn't a teen idol. He really didn't hit his stride til the late 20s.
I'll guess Fabian.
3257. theDiva - 1/24/2000 2:21:53 PM
ahahahha!
3258. theDiva - 1/24/2000 2:22:21 PM
No, I meant about the Springsteen cover of War. God, I can't believe I missed that one.
3259. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 2:26:26 PM
No, it's not Fabian.
Another clue: His current residence is not far from his home town.
3260. PsychProf - 1/24/2000 2:27:56 PM
Gene Pitney
3261. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 2:29:44 PM
Way to go, Professor!
My brush with greatness: although I've never met Gene Pitney, I PERSONALLY know someone who's borrowed his golf clubs!
3262. theDiva - 1/24/2000 2:31:49 PM
You run in some pretty heady circles, Ohio.
3263. OhioSTOPAS - 1/24/2000 2:33:04 PM
How true, how true.
3264. PsychProf - 1/24/2000 2:33:17 PM
Very impressive Ohio...now Banks will have to namedrop.
3265. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:06:17 PM
Here's the second part of my earlier quiz.
American Rockers (Part II: The Seventies and Eighties)
Give the names the following artists from the 70s and 80s were best known as. The list includes rock, pop and R&B. Some are easy.
Part II: The 70s and 80s
1) Adrian Donna Gaines
2) Kent Lavoie
3) Hugh Cregg III
4) Anna Mae Bullock
5) Roberta Anderson
6) Marvin Lee Aday
7) Patricia Holt
8) Michael Cassavitis
9) Christopher Geppert
10) Patricia Andrzejewski
11) Leslie Wonderman
12) Baldemar Huerta
13) Edward Mahoney
3266. CalGal - 1/24/2000 10:18:59 PM
13) Eddie Money
3267. CalGal - 1/24/2000 10:20:01 PM
1) Donna Summer?
3268. CalGal - 1/24/2000 10:20:46 PM
10) Pat Benatar
3269. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:25:20 PM
CalGal:
Correct on 1, 10 and 13.
3270. joezan - 1/24/2000 10:26:39 PM
8) George Michael
3271. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:32:49 PM
JoeZan:
Nooo... you may recall that George Michael (real name: Georgios Panayioutou) was on my recent quiz of British rockers.
3272. CalGal - 1/24/2000 10:36:55 PM
4) How'd I miss this the first time? Tina Turner
3273. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:41:09 PM
CalGal:
I was wondering about that... it was the easiest one in the list.
3274. CalGal - 1/24/2000 10:41:13 PM
3) Huey Lewis
7) Patti LaBelle?
3275. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:48:59 PM
Correct on 3 and 7. You're doing great... keep going.
3276. joezan - 1/24/2000 10:50:53 PM
9) Christopher Cross?
3277. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:51:18 PM
Still remaining:
2) Kent Lavoie
5) Roberta Anderson
6) Marvin Lee Aday
8) Michael Cassavitis
9) Christopher Geppert
11) Leslie Wonderman
12) Baldemar Huerta
And I should add that I include "Canadian" in "American Rockers."
3278. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:52:19 PM
Correct on #9, JoeZan.
3279. joezan - 1/24/2000 10:52:58 PM
Is Kent Lavoie the Canadian?
3280. joezan - 1/24/2000 10:55:08 PM
For some reason, I think Leslie Wonderman and Prince pops into my head...
3281. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 10:59:09 PM
JoeZan:
Kent Lavoie is American. Prince (or rather, the artist formerly blah blah blah) was born "Prince Roger Nelson."
3282. CalGal - 1/24/2000 11:01:37 PM
12) The only Hispanic singer I can think of whose name I wouldn't recognize is that guy with the weird hair. Fender? Freddy Fender, maybe.
3283. joezan - 1/24/2000 11:03:51 PM
1) K.C. (as in The Sunshine Band)?
3284. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 11:13:14 PM
CalGal:
Correct on Freddy Fender.
JoeZan:
No, KC's name is "Harry Casey" (probably one I should have included in the Quiz).
3285. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 11:25:07 PM
Still remaining:
2) Kent Lavoie
5) Roberta Anderson
6) Marvin Lee Aday
8) Michael Cassavitis
11) Leslie Wonderman
Clues:
• One is originally Canadian
• One hosted a 70s TV show
• One appeared in several films in the 70s, and continues to be a star in the 90s (three, maybe four) of the five on the list are basically out of the picture these days
• Three were most popular in the 70s (all three started in the 60s), one was most popular in the 80s. The other spans the 70s to 90s.
3286. CalGal - 1/24/2000 11:38:11 PM
6) Meatloaf? He was in movies in the 70s and was just in Fight Club.
3287. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 11:39:54 PM
CalGal:
But which one is Meatloaf?
3288. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 11:40:34 PM
(clue: It's not Roberta Anderson)
3289. CalGal - 1/24/2000 11:41:03 PM
6? I mean, that was my guess.
3290. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/24/2000 11:45:56 PM
6 is correct for Meatloaf. Sorry, I missed the number the first time.
So that leaves the following:
2) Kent Lavoie
5) Roberta Anderson
8) Michael Cassavitis
11) Leslie Wonderman
Clues:
• One is originally Canadian
• One hosted a 70s TV show
• Three were most popular in the 70s (all three started in the 60s), one was most popular in the 80s.
3291. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 6:33:44 AM
Don't everyone answer at once...
3292. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 9:20:20 AM
The silence is disheartening.
Here are some clues, if that will help...
2) Kent Lavoie
(popular in the 70s)
5) Roberta Anderson
(Canadian)
8) Michael Cassavitis
(hosted a TV show in the 70s)
11) Leslie Wonderman
(popular in the 80s)
3293. stostosto - 1/25/2000 9:40:51 AM
Irv
I know them. But I have cheated using Altavista.
3294. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 9:45:28 AM
Good morning, Irv! Another good quiz.
Is #8 Tony Orlando?
3295. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 9:50:18 AM
And if I may add one to Irv's quiz:
14) Leslie Weinstein
clue: performed (with band) at Woodstock (that's the REAL Woodstock, in 1969)
3296. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 9:59:47 AM
Hi, Ohio!
Correct on #8. How about the others?
Leslie Weinstein sounds very familiar. Let me think on that one.
3297. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 10:06:49 AM
I'm guessing now: Is #5 Joni Mitchell?
3298. PsychProf - 1/25/2000 10:14:56 AM
Is Leslie Janis Ian?
3299. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 10:18:17 AM
Leslie Weinstein is not Janis Ian.
3300. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 10:24:59 AM
Ohio:
Correct, #5 is Joni Mitchell.
Is Leslie West "Leslie Weinstein"? Did Mountain play at Woodstock?
3301. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 10:26:34 AM
Yes, and yes.
3302. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 10:27:53 AM
PP:
I'm not sure which question you were answering, but #11 is not Janis Ian, either.
3303. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 10:28:40 AM
(Janis Ian's real name is "Janis Fink"... no wonder she changed it.)
3304. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 10:32:47 AM
Two questions left from my quiz:
2) Kent Lavoie
(popular in the 70s, forgotten today; soft pop sound)
11) Leslie Wonderman
(had a few big hits in the late 80s, but I don't think she's been heard from since)
3305. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 10:36:17 AM
Did #2 have a small movie role as "Charming Guy With Guitar" in a popular late 70's comedy?
3306. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 10:45:26 AM
Hahaha, you're asking the wrong person. I've hardly ever seen any movies.
Here are some clues about #2, which I looked up:
He sold 15 million singles and 3 million albums in the first half of the seventies, and was even more popular overseas than in the USA. His songs are still a mainstay of adult contemporary stations.
3307. PsychProf - 1/25/2000 10:54:40 AM
haha...twice wrong with only one answer.
3308. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 10:57:41 AM
The guy I had in mind for #2 (a guess based solely on the clues "soft pop sound" and "forgotten today") was Stephen Bishop, who had a hit 70's single "On and On" and got his guitar smashed by John Belushi in "Animal House". But from your subsequent clues, it's not him.
3309. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 11:01:22 AM
I remember Stephen Bishop, and I remember Animal House, but I don't remember Stephen Bishop in it... I'll look for him next time I see the movie (my kids have it on video).
Anyway, it's not Stephen Bishop. The guy I'm thinking of was known for unbearably sappy songs. Let me see if I can find some of his lyrics as a clue. I'm sure you hate his music, like most people.
3310. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 11:02:21 AM
And another clue (which may give it away)... he went by one name.
3311. PsychProf - 1/25/2000 11:07:10 AM
I was gonna say Manilow, but now I know...Lobo...
3312. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 11:07:54 AM
(This is going to be painful)
When I saw you standing there,
I 'bout fell off my chair.
And when you moved your mouth to speak,
I felt the blood go to my feet.
3313. PsychProf - 1/25/2000 11:08:41 AM
Sing it Snod...
3314. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 11:09:02 AM
A few seconds earlier, and you would have spared me posting those awful lyrics, PP. Obviously, it is indeed Lobo.
3315. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 11:12:04 AM
Which leaves one more:
11) Leslie Wonderman
(had a few big hits in the late 80s; "I'll Always Love You," "Tell it to My Heart," etc.)
3316. OhioSTOPAS - 1/25/2000 11:45:48 AM
I think you've stumped the panel, Irv.
3317. Indiana Jones - 1/25/2000 11:47:40 AM
Taylor Dayne
3318. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/25/2000 11:58:53 AM
Nobody stumps Indy.
And that's a wrap on the quiz. Thanks to all who joined in.
3319. Stumbo - 1/25/2000 4:02:21 PM
I see my #3178 was ignored. Oh well.
3320. Indiana Jones - 1/25/2000 4:07:20 PM
Stumbo: I listened to it several times and couldn't guess. So contrary to what Irving says, I was stumped.
3321. Indiana Jones - 1/25/2000 10:53:09 PM
New game, "Slow Mote Jeopardy." Here are the rules:
1) First person to post "I want to play," gets to choose first question category and dollar value.
2) I'll post an answer. First person to post the correct question scores said dollar value. That person chooses next category and dollar value.
3) One daily double in first round.
4) Everyone can play except on the daily double. Anyone who posts an answer to the daily double other than the person who selected it will be eliminated from competition.
5) First round categories are from original trival pursuit (Arts & Literature, Sports & Leisure, Geography, History, Entertainment, and Science & Nature.
6) I'll keep track of scores and questions that have been selected. (I'll try to put up a Web page with this stuff on it.)
7. When in doubt, the rules are the same as regular Jeopardy.
8. At the end, we'll have a final jeopardy with everyone having positive scores being eligible.
Winner gets to keep all the "cash" and call himself or herself Mote Jeopardy champion.
Remember to phrase your answer in the form of a question and all decisions of the judge (me) are final!
3322. Indiana Jones - 1/25/2000 11:14:47 PM
Re post 3321: I just thought of an additional rule to speed up Mote Jeopardy (a bit, it'll still be slow as hell.) When you make a guess, you should also specify (assume your guess is correct) your choice for the next category and dollar value. That way, if you're correct, the game won't be held up before the next category is selected.
I'm going to throw out a question to get things started because I'm going to bed:
Geography for $100: "This country was formed when Abu Dhabi and Dubai federated with five other states."
3323. CalGal - 1/25/2000 11:17:29 PM
What is United Arab Emirates?
3324. EricCartman - 1/25/2000 11:18:18 PM
What are the United Arab Emirates?
3325. EricCartman - 1/25/2000 11:18:45 PM
D'oh!
3326. CalGal - 1/25/2000 11:22:32 PM
Hey, at least you got the verb form right.
History for $100, even though it will be tomorrow.
3327. CalGal - 1/25/2000 11:24:07 PM
Inbetween quiz:
What Mote member went to the UAE twice for junior high sports tournaments?
3328. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/26/2000 2:19:01 AM
Must have been you, CalGal.
Cool game, Indy. I take it we'll be playing whenever you're around? (Obviously, due to the time diff, that puts me at a disadvantage.)
3329. CalGal - 1/26/2000 2:29:02 AM
Well, phooey. You could have at least pretended to be excited.
Maybe we should have a morning host and an afternoon host.
3330. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/26/2000 2:31:44 AM
I'm more interested in an all-night host.
3331. CalGal - 1/26/2000 2:37:16 AM
Oh, that's what I meant. Sorry. Hell, maybe we need three hosts--one for evenings, one for mornings, and one for afternoons.
Please note which I put first.
3332. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/26/2000 2:42:15 AM
Or, maybe Indy can post times when he'll be around, and those of us interested in playing can show up at those times.
Oh, and:
You played sports in the UAE??? How cool! What sport did you play?
3333. Stumbo - 1/26/2000 2:44:04 AM
If nobody gets #3178 within a day or two, I'll never post a quiz again. I mean it. Really.
3334. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/26/2000 3:01:37 AM
Stumbo:
With my painfully slow connection speed, I am unable to download wav files... I tried yours anyway and failed.
Please don't stop posting quizzes.
3335. EricCartman - 1/26/2000 3:09:06 AM
Stumbo:
I listened to the clip several times. It sounded vaguely familiar, but I don't have a clue as to which work it would be based on. Honestly, I don't even have a wild guess, though a few bars reminded me of Kreutzer's Violin Sonata #9, which is a fairly decent technical exercise to use on guitar. It was a cool piece of music anyway.
Just so's you know someone gave it a shot.
Cal:
You played in JH sports tournaments in the UAE? How exciting!!! What sport? Let me guess -- it must have had something to do with sand. Beach volleyball? Surfing?
Swimming, right?
3336. CalGal - 1/26/2000 4:15:58 AM
I feel better.
It was basketball and softball--Dubai and Abu Dhabi. One year in Bahrain--is that a UAE country or not? Track and field tournaments were held in Cairo.
3337. CalGal - 1/26/2000 4:17:31 AM
I did swim, Cart, but there was no school teams in swimming in Saudi Arabia. I swam AAU (now USS) and college when I got to California.
3338. CalGal - 1/26/2000 5:07:51 AM
Stumbo,
I know that song very well and was singing along to it. I know everything but the name and the composer. I want to say it's something from Carmen. But if it's not Carmen, it's one of those opera numbers that shows up in movies all the time.
3339. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/26/2000 6:36:36 AM
CalGal:
I know people involved with the expat softball organization in Dubai... I'll bet some of them even umpired your games (I know I've umpired lots of games here when high schoolers from other countries come to visit).
Bahrain is an independent country, not part of the UAE.
I once impressed a visitor from UAE by naming all the Emirates that make up the UAE (or, as they used to be known, the "Trucial States"). What he didn't know was I peeked a look in my almanac before trying to do it. Let's see how well I can do off the top of my head (since this is the quiz thread... I suppose I can give myself a quiz): Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah, Ajman, Ras-al-Khaimah, Fujairah. Yikes, I think there's seven... what's the missing one?
3340. dusty - 1/26/2000 7:12:31 AM
Stumbo
Re Message # 3178
Jesus Christ Superstar?
3341. KULIgintheHOOLIgan - 1/26/2000 8:16:48 AM
OK, here's my quiz for the day. And please, if you already heard this one, don't blurt out the answer until others have had a chance to mull it over.
________________
You commit some ridiculous crime in some monarchical land, and you are punished with execution. But, the king likes brain teasers and is willing to let you off the hook if you can figure this one out.
He brings you to a room. At one wall is a door and in that room is a lightbulb. On the wall, near the door (outside the lightbulb room) are three light switches. One of them works the lightbulb, the other two are duds.
You have to figure out which switch works the lightbulb. There are some rules:
1) you can only look into the lightbulb room ONCE
2) you can choose to look in any time you want to, but once you have looked in, you will not be allowed to look in again
OK, that does it for the rules. Just so you know, you can't see any light through the door or the cracks or whatever.
Now, of course, you could simply guess. But in this brainteaser, you need not guess. You can be 100% sure which switch works the bulb.
3342. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 8:58:41 AM
Assuming you can look in while flipping a switch (the question says "anytime you want to"):
Flip switch 1 on.
Look into the room while flipping switch two.
If the light is on before you flip switch two, then switch 1 is the good switch. If it comes on while you're flipping the switch, switch 2 is the good switch, Otherwise, it's switch three.
3343. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 9:21:45 AM
CalGal scores $100. Here's the board.
As far as when I'll be on, folks, this is Slow Mote Jeopardy. (I think "Mild Peril" might be a better name to avoid copyright infringement.) Hell, I'm the one doing all the work. All you have to do is play when you know the answer.
CalGal chooses history for $100: "This French seer asked to be buried upright."
[Questions will get harder as we move up the board.]
3344. dusty - 1/26/2000 9:23:28 AM
KULIgintheHOOLIgan
I think you have to specify that the light is off when you start.
Also, you said that you can "look" into the room once. I would like to be able to "go" into the room. Will you clarify whether this is allowed?
3345. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 9:27:15 AM
Dusty: I think I see what you're getting at by going into the room, and it's darn clever. I hope that's the right solution.
3346. dusty - 1/26/2000 9:27:43 AM
KULIgintheHOOLIgan
Also, would you clarify whether it is possible to look into the room while flipping a switch? Indiana's clever response exploited that option, but I'm not sure you intended it.
Indiana, you also want Kuligin to clarify that the bulb strats in the "off" position. Your answer relies on it.
3347. dusty - 1/26/2000 9:28:20 AM
starts, not strats.
3348. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 9:31:37 AM
Dusty: I assumed that the switches are conventional (up for on, down for off). If Kuligan agrees to your conditions, here's one solution:
1) Leave switch one alone.
2) Turn switch 2 on for an hour, then turn it off.
3) Turn switch 3 on.
Go into the room. If the bulb is on, it's 3. If it's off, feel of the bulb. Switch 2 is it if the bulb is hot. Otherwise, switch 1.
Is that the solution you were hinting at? Very good!
3349. KULIgintheHOOLIgan - 1/26/2000 9:44:21 AM
Ok, obviously I wasn't clear enough.
Yes, the switches are conventional, up/down switches.
Yes, you can actually GO into the room, not just look into the room.
Actually, Indy's first answer wasn't "allowed" but since my quiz wasn't too clear, that's my fault.
Indy's last response is actually the answer. It relies on the heat of the bulb. Any other solution (when the quiz is given very clear rules) relies on a guess.
Sorry for being so sloppy. The next one will hopefully be clearer.
3350. dusty - 1/26/2000 10:03:57 AM
yes Indy.
Very good, I didn't think that was enough of a hint to give it away.
3351. dusty - 1/26/2000 10:05:00 AM
KULIgintheHOOLIgan
Nice quiz.
3352. CalGal - 1/26/2000 10:06:49 AM
Who is Nostradamus?
3353. dusty - 1/26/2000 10:15:47 AM
A nit perhaps, but I have several switches in my house that are "up/down" switches, but "up" doesn't necessarily mean "on". Two sets of switches control a light. If they both start down and "off", then flipping one up turns in on, but flipping the other one up turns it off. So you cannot tell whether the light is on by the position of the switch. lest someone point out that it is normally possible to tell whether a light is on by, well, the light, one of these lights is the basement light, separate from the basement stairwell which has a 90º turn in the stairwell, and a 180º turn to the lit area.. It isn't obvious that the basement light is on from the top of the stairs.
KULIgintheHOOLIgan
I had heard the question before, so I did't want to answer, but I just realized the version I heard was different. In it, there were three bulbs, and three switches. The goal was to identify which switch goes with which bulb.
Curiously, it sounds like the answer is identical.
3354. KULIgintheHOOLIgan - 1/26/2000 11:56:16 AM
dusty, yes, that was a nit! :-)
As for your quiz, are you still only allowed to go into the room one time? If so, I don't see how the answer to my quiz can possibly be the answer to your 3-switch, 3-bulb quiz.
3355. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 11:57:43 AM
CalGal was correct.
Current board
Next answer: History for $200
This facial feature was the subject of a tax in Russia in 1698.
3356. KULIgintheHOOLIgan - 1/26/2000 12:03:20 PM
smiling
3357. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 12:45:14 PM
Incorrect, Kuligin.
Remember, that like normal Jeopardy, wrong guesses will be minus points. If no one gets the correct response in an arbitrary time limit (varying upon whim), I'll give the question and go on to the next.
3358. Jenerator - 1/26/2000 12:59:21 PM
Teeth.
3359. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 1:03:41 PM
Sorry, Jenerator.
Current answer remains: History for $200
This facial feature was the subject of a tax in Russia in 1698.
3360. DocBrown - 1/26/2000 1:05:21 PM
What is a moustache?
3361. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:12:37 PM
KULIgintheHOOLIgan
As for your quiz, are you still only allowed to go into the room one time? If so, I don't see how the answer to my quiz can possibly be the answer to your 3-switch, 3-bulb quiz.
Mutatis mutandis.
If you label the switches 1,2,3 the goal is to match the switch to the bulb. Turn on #1, for awhile, then off. Turn 2 on and enter the room. The bulb that is on is connected to #2. The bulb that is off, but warm, is connected to #1. The cold bulb is connected to #3.
3362. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 1:14:21 PM
DocBrown: I suppose that's acceptable. Strictly, "what is a beard" was the correct question. It was part of Peter the Great's attempt to Westernize Russia and in so doing get Russians to give up their beards. (The tax may have been based on the length of the beard...I can't remember.) Trebeck probably wouldn't accept it, but we're not giving out real money, either.
New question: History $300
This South American nation nationalized two U.S. copper mines in 1971.
3363. KULIgintheHOOLIgan - 1/26/2000 1:15:42 PM
How could you possibly tax a Russian for having a moustache???
The shame!! The audacity!!
Since I just popped in and didn't know really what was happening, I hope I don't get penalized. I also assume that once a person has guessed wrongly, you can't guess again?
3364. KULIgintheHOOLIgan - 1/26/2000 1:17:39 PM
OK, I see Dusty. Thanks.
3365. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 1:37:03 PM
Kuligin: Well, I just decided no one's score can drop below zero. That gives me fewer to keep up with.
Also, you can guess more than once, but you'll lose points each time. Three misses (total) and we go to the next question.
Current board
Current answer: History $300
This South American nation nationalized two U.S. copper mines in 1971.
Remember if you make a guess, you can specify with your guess what category and value you'd like to go for next.
Gone for a while.
3366. Thoughtful - 1/26/2000 1:42:07 PM
What is Chile -- if it needs it in the form of a question. Otherwise, Chile.
3367. DocBrown - 1/26/2000 1:42:10 PM
Based on the year alone, I'll guess "What is Chile?"
If I'm right I would like Science for $100.
3368. DocBrown - 1/26/2000 1:42:40 PM
Doh! Too slow. Thoughtful beat me.
3369. Thoughtful - 1/26/2000 1:43:23 PM
Hah! Beat you Doc by 3 seconds!
3370. Thoughtful - 1/26/2000 1:44:05 PM
Talk about your cross posts! But I agree on science for $100 -- if we're right.
3371. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:47:02 PM
DocBrown
Typing your request for new category cost you at least 3 seconds. it was a trick!!
3372. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:48:24 PM
What is a laser beam?
3373. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:49:00 PM
Oops, guess I should wait for the question.
3374. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:49:06 PM
What is "Self contained underwater breathing apparatus"?
3375. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:49:38 PM
Who is Michael Collins?
Who is James Clerk Maxwell?
What is a Tesla ring?
3376. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:50:29 PM
What is a proton?
3377. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:51:33 PM
What is H2SO4
3378. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:52:07 PM
What is Tungsten (we also would accept "Wulfram")?
What was the Michelson-Moriarity (?) experiment? (Two M's, that's really all I know).
3379. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:52:53 PM
Who is Louis Pasteur?
3380. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:53:02 PM
What is 93 milion miles?
3381. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:53:22 PM
What is eight minutes?
3382. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:53:52 PM
What is 88 days?
3383. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:53:59 PM
What is "The devil in Miss Jones?"
3384. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:54:29 PM
What is Maxwell's Demon?
What is Schroedinger's Cat?
3385. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:55:11 PM
What is Menlo Park, NJ?
3386. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:55:13 PM
What is Sometimes Pluto, sometimes Neptune
3387. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 1:55:14 PM
Who the fuck is screwing up my game?
3388. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:55:53 PM
What is "occluded"?
3389. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:56:35 PM
What is entropy?
3390. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:57:07 PM
What is IJ not doing?
3391. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 1:57:51 PM
What is jerking off?
3392. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:58:07 PM
Trying to make is easier and quicker.
Now you can ask the question, and we'll just type in the post #
3393. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:58:08 PM
Who is Johannes Kepler?
Who is Howard (?) Doppler?
Who is Neils Bohr?
What is "Curium"?
3394. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:58:36 PM
What is the red shift?
3395. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:58:48 PM
What is "Spooky Action at a Distance"?
3396. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 1:59:16 PM
What is one-sixth?
3397. dusty - 1/26/2000 1:59:28 PM
What is "heliocentricity"?
3398. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:00:13 PM
Who is Chandra?
3399. Thoughtful - 1/26/2000 2:01:31 PM
Dusty, #3394-- no no -- it was a navy blue shift from the Gap! (How soon they forget!)
3400. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:02:02 PM
No, wait. "Chandra" was in 2001: A space Oddyssey.
I meant:
Who is "Chandraskadar"? (sp? something like that. "The chandraskadar constant/number" or something-- it tells you which stars will die in a supernova, which will become neutron stars or brown dwarfs, and which must become black holes)
3401. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:02:42 PM
What is p
3402. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:03:09 PM
Thoughtful gets credit. I'll post a new answer (science $100) when I have more time and Ace and dusty finish writing the question key.
3403. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:03:30 PM
"What is Chandra" works—the X-ray telescope.
3404. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:03:34 PM
Who were "The Pythagoreans"?
Who was Euclid?
Who was Fermat?
3405. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:04:16 PM
Thoughtful
Never could keep that straight.
3406. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:04:36 PM
Dusty:
I think that's Chandraskadar or whatever his name is.
"Dr. Chandra" was HAL's programmer in 2001.
3407. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:04:51 PM
Who was Alan Turing?
3408. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:05:30 PM
What is a "bombe"?
3409. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:05:45 PM
What was UNIVAC?
3410. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:05:46 PM
Who is Donald Knuth?
3411. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:06:05 PM
3412. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:06:06 PM
What was ENIAC?
3413. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:07:08 PM
Dusty:
From your link:
Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar: NASA's premier x-ray observatory was named the Chandra X-ray Observatory in honor of the late Indian-American Nobel laureate, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar. Learn more about The Man Behind the Name
I see they shortened the name to "Chandra."
3414. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:08:07 PM
ENIAC-- I dunno, the first vacuum-tube computer?
3415. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:08:31 PM
Chandrasekhar limit
A limit which mandates that no white dwarf (a collapsed, degenerate star) can be more massive than about 1.4 solar masses. Any degenerate object more massive must inevitably collapse into a neutron star.
3416. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:09:19 PM
Dusty:
Anything bigger than 4 (I think) must collapse into a black hole.
3417. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:10:15 PM
ENIAC
Note that Al Gore invented it. (See "Honorary Celebration Chair" on link.)
3418. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:12:12 PM
Indiana, do you have an ETA for the official question?
3418. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:12:12 PM
Who is John Galt?
3419. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:13:06 PM
Good One.
Thought we were doing science, though, not the Essential Truth of the Universe.
3420. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:13:12 PM
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
How many paths must a man walk down?
What are the endochronic properties of resublimated thiotimoline?
3421. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:14:36 PM
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
3422. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:15:34 PM
How high is up?
3423. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:17:40 PM
Who da man?
3424. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:18:11 PM
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a wooudchuck could chuck wood?
3425. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:18:42 PM
Damn that extra "u."
3426. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:19:54 PM
Who Put The Bomp (In The Bomp, Bomp, Bomp)
3427. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:20:36 PM
Who's Next?
3428. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:21:01 PM
Jeeze, I have never in my life waited so long for ONE FUCKING QUESTION, Indiana.
3429. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:21:14 PM
How much is that doggie in the window?
3430. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:21:58 PM
When did Indiana fall into a coma?
When is he expected to recover?
3431. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:22:26 PM
Why Do Fools Fall In Love?
3432. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:24:38 PM
Why do birds suddenly appear?
3433. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:25:16 PM
You seriously want the question, now.
Cripes, it's always about you, isn't it? When are my needs going to be met?
Okay...
Science for $100: This valuable metal is the best conductor of electricity.
3434. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:26:28 PM
what is gold
3435. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:26:29 PM
Why doesn't 18th Street cross Webster when 17th and 19th both do? (This one is a trick question -- ask Cal).
3436. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:26:37 PM
3437. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:27:24 PM
Ace got it.
Silver's pretty good, but not as good as gold
3438. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:27:30 PM
Buzz.
3439. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:27:41 PM
Oh wait ... we're back to the actual answers now?
Booooo-rrrrrring.
3440. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:27:50 PM
Because there is no 18th street.
Why is west 5th street a more exclusive address than east 5th street?
3441. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:28:45 PM
My source says silver. So let's have an authoritative ruling. If it's gold, Ace gets it. Otherwise, dusty.
3442. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:29:05 PM
Why did Message # 3435 lead to a missed luncheon? Oops, same answer.
3443. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:29:19 PM
It's not gold? Then platinum.
Did you know all the platinum ever ored in the whole world, throughout history, could fit in the average living room?
3444. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:29:50 PM
Ace --
No on 18th Street.
Wouldn't west 5th put you in Central Park?
3445. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:30:48 PM
Indy:
If silver's a better conductor, I'd like to know why audiophiles pay so much for gold speaker wires rather than cheaper silver speaker wires.
3446. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:30:53 PM
Dusty --
You've been keeping track of my social calendar. I'm honored.
3447. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:31:26 PM
Silver
Silver is a white, shiny, heavy metal. Its symbol is Ag, after argentum, aLatin word meaning "white and shining". Silver has been sought after since the earliest times and is regarded as a precious metal, just as gems are precious stones. Yet although silver is known for its precious value, only 16% of all the silver used in the world is used for coins and jewellery, while 40% goes to make photographic film. Much of the rest is used in industry and health services. Mirrors for example,
are mostly made by silvering the back of glass.
Properties of Silver
Forms alloys with copper to give it additional strength
A soft, white metal, chemical symbol Ag
Turns brown slowly (tarnishes) when exposed to polluted air
The best conductor of electricity of any metal
Scarce metal, making only one hundred-millionth of the Earth's crust
The best conductor of heat of any metal
Has no taste
Soft and easily worked
Has no smell
Best natural reflector of light
Melts at 960°C
Atomic number 47, atomic weight about 108
Source
3448. PsychProf - 1/26/2000 2:31:36 PM
Ace...what about all the Visa cards?
3449. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:32:11 PM
Trial:
No, 5th street is way downtown, Central park is uptown.
But w. 5th street doesn't exist. There may be a small park there.
Hell, maybe Washington Sq Park. Point is, it's not there.
3450. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:32:37 PM
Ace
My first reaction. I vaguely recalled that silver was better, then wondered why gold would be used. My guess- silver oxidizes, gold doesn't.
3451. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:32:48 PM
http://www.nooutage.com/electric.htm
"conductor - usually a metallic substance capable of transmitting electricity with little resistance. The best conductor at normal
temperature ranges is silver. The most common is copper. Some other recently discovered substances called super conductors actually
have zero resistance at extremely low temperatures."
Dusty scores.
3452. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:33:30 PM
Ace, trial's question is not NY
3453. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:34:04 PM
Great !
Science for $200
3454. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:36:21 PM
"what about all the Visa cards?"
Huh? Is that a dummy address they use in Visa Card commercials?
3455. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:38:41 PM
Science for $200.
The largest structure on earth resulting from living organisms.
I'm seriously gone for now. TrialShark can provide some entertainment during the commercial break.
3456. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:40:30 PM
Indy --
The Great Barrier Reef.
3457. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 2:41:24 PM
Oh, heck. That wasn't funny.
How 'bout "The mold in a frat house fridge."
Better?
3458. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:42:19 PM
Damn, I know it is some sort of fungus, or something like that. It isn't the whale, or a Sequoia, but I don't want to lose points, so I'll pass, unless it comes to me.
I trust we are on our honor not to use references to find the answer? just to verify?
3459. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:43:02 PM
Ooh good answer TS, I was thinking of a connected single organism, but I read it wrong.
3460. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:43:25 PM
"The largest structure on earth resulting from living organisms."
Ummm, the Great Wall of China qualifies.
3461. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:43:53 PM
Is that bigger than the great barrier reef?
3462. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:44:10 PM
So does the Empire state building, the Petronas Towers, and the Brandenburg Gate.
So do the huge pools of oil under the earth.
3463. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:44:38 PM
Besides, isn't Bill Gates' house bigger?
3464. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:45:17 PM
Bzzzt on calling pools of oil "structures".
3465. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:45:21 PM
Dusty:
Well, I was assuming it was bigger. But now that I look at that assumption, maybe I'm wrong.
But what about oil-pools?
3466. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:45:59 PM
Where are the damn judges?
3467. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:46:59 PM
Oil pools is an exceedingly clever answer. Clever enough to almost overlook the fact that a pool of oil would never be called a structure.
3468. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:47:51 PM
Dusty:
They have a *chemical* structure.
Besides, you are exposing a biological bias in calling biological, solid messes "structures" while claiming that chemical, liquid messes are not "structures."
It all depends on the meaning of the word "structure."
3469. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:48:26 PM
Main Entry: 1struc·ture
Pronunciation: 'str&k-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin structura, from structus, past participle of struere to heap up, build -- more at STREW
Date: 15th century
1 : the action of building : CONSTRUCTION
2 a : something (as a building) that is constructed b : something arranged in a definite pattern of organization
3 : manner of construction : MAKEUP
4 a : the arrangement of particles or parts in a substance or bodyb : organization of parts as dominated by the general character of the whole
5 : the aggregate of elements of an entity in their relationships to each other
3470. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:49:16 PM
Actually, my biological answer was flawed—I misread the question.
3471. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 2:49:41 PM
TrialShark scores. He answered first and with the answer the judges were looking for.
The ultrasonic wail from Jimmy Olsen's wristwatch is sounding more and more imperative.
Up, up, and away!
3472. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:49:45 PM
"largest" is also vague.
Longest? Tallest? Most massive? Embracing the greatest volume?
And if Dusty wants to toss out "oil pools," what about the enormous SOLID sheets of coal shale under the earth?
3473. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:49:57 PM
They have a structure, they are not a structure.
3474. dusty - 1/26/2000 2:50:26 PM
Damn, coal is good.
3475. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 2:50:47 PM
the arrangement of particles or parts in a substance or body b : organization of parts as dominated by the general character of the whole
5 : the aggregate of elements of an entity in their relationships to each other
I'll take it.
And I offer "coal shale."
3476. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 3:04:58 PM
Ace --
Is coal made by living organisms, or by geologic processes working on the remains of dead organisms?
3477. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 3:12:49 PM
Trial:
The question was: "RESULTING from living organisms."
By that phrasing, coal shale should qualify.
3478. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 4:09:03 PM
Ace --
Good point. Of course, by that reasoning, so should the limestone formations in North America or the white cliffs of Dover.
I wonder if any of those are larger than the Great Barrier Reef?
3479. dusty - 1/26/2000 4:11:08 PM
I got a better answer.
The Universe.
And if you don't think it qualifies, take it to the Religion Thread.
3480. dusty - 1/26/2000 4:17:17 PM
This is what I was thinking of when i thought the question was "what is the largest single living organism?"
Once upon a time, California's beautiful General Sherman sequoia (which does enjoy legal protection) was the largest known living thing. Just last month, however, Nature magazine declared a giant 38-acre armillaria bulbosa fungus in
Michigan the world's largest organism.
Now it appears that a Washington state armillaria ostoyae fungus that covers 1,500 acres--over 2.5 square miles--deserves that title. Although most of the fungus lives underground, its surface signs include tree rot and edible
mushrooms. Scientists estimate this huge fungus at somewhere between 400 and 1,000 years old.
3481. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 4:19:04 PM
dusty --
No, no. God is dead. I saw it on the cover of Time a while back.
I hear He had a really nice funeral. Lots of people left flowers at the palace.
Or maybe that was Princess Di ...
3482. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 4:21:06 PM
dusty --
I first thought of the algae blooms that appear periodically in the warmer waters of the Pacific and Atlantic. Some of those suckers are huge.
3483. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 4:23:50 PM
The fungus is regarded as a single, multinucleated organism, whereas each bit of algea is its own individual organism.
3484. DocBrown - 1/26/2000 4:35:49 PM
So has the question been answered or not? Are we waiting for another?
3485. DocBrown - 1/26/2000 4:43:04 PM
I think the "Largest Structure" answer is bogus and should be disqualified.
I would call the United States' highway system the largest structure resulting from living organisms. But I could expand that and say the the world's road system. But then, the telecommunications system is probably even bigger.
I might also count radio and television signals under "structure(s) resulting from living organisms." Then I have one or more structures that are thousands of cubic lightyears in volume. That is seriously big!
3486. dusty - 1/26/2000 4:56:16 PM
DocBrown
The answer is in Message # 3471
We are, of course, free to offer what we think are better answers, but the judges decision is final.
And our host has indicated he is outa here Message # 3455
I don't know the ETA for a return.
3487. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:02:50 PM
"If silver's a better conductor, I'd like to know why audiophiles pay so much for gold speaker wires rather than cheaper silver speaker wires."
Because Audiophiles are one of the most gullible groups of people on the planet.
3488. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:05:24 PM
And the common alternative to gold plated cables is aluminum, I believe, not silver.
3489. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 5:07:48 PM
Ace --
But the question did not postulate a single organism, so the algae bloom could still qualify.
3490. Dantheman - 1/26/2000 5:07:52 PM
I actually thought that speaker wires aren't of silver because silver more easily reacts with other substances than gold does. Not that I have either in my stereo, but...
3492. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:12:15 PM
Oops. Bad link:
Here's the correct one.
3493. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:13:27 PM
what is uranium
3494. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:13:29 PM
Uranium.
3495. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:13:58 PM
slow-ass.
3496. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 5:14:50 PM
Uranium.
3497. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 5:15:56 PM
That's what I get for taking a client call when I should be doing something really important.
3498. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:16:24 PM
history for 400
3499. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:18:30 PM
But the question did not postulate a single organism, so the algae bloom could still qualify.
If you want to count multiple organisms, then you'd have to count NYC during business hours or Times Square on New Year's Eve, etc.
3500. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:19:20 PM
Hell, you could just count the Pacific Ocean. It's just brimming with multiple organisms. Or at least the top three feet of it is.
Quite a "structure," that Pacific Ocean.
3501. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:23:27 PM
Rask scores.
History $400:
The nationality of the first Europeans to set foot on Australia and New Zealand.
3502. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 5:25:09 PM
Ace --
I'm not sure a whole ocean qualifies as a structure. If it does, I vote for the entire planetary biosphere.
3503. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:26:32 PM
What is Dutch
3504. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:27:45 PM
Correct, Rask.
3505. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:28:14 PM
History for 500
3506. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:30:40 PM
History, $500:
Number of Edwards who have ruled England.
3507. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:31:37 PM
Zero.
3508. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:32:18 PM
(a guess. I can't wait till I'm embarassed by the mention of Edwards I ought to remember.)
Wait-- Edward the Sixth?
Six?
3509. dusty - 1/26/2000 5:33:13 PM
DocBrown
Good point
4.2 million cubic light years, to be approximate.
3510. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:33:16 PM
Well that depends. You are probably looking for "what is 8", since Ed VIII was the last of that name, but the numbering of Kings was restarted after the Norman conquest, and if you go back earlier than that, you get more Edwards. And it isn't all that clear of Edward V, the boy killed in the Tower, according to Shakespeare by Richard III, could really be said to have ruled England.
3511. ElliottRW - 1/26/2000 5:33:46 PM
All this talk of multiple organisms makes me think of senix.
3512. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:35:57 PM
Show off. Eight is correct.
BTW, it doesn't hurt to guess...yet, Ace.
$500 more for Rask.
History has been cleared, Rask. Geography starts at $200 and Science starts at $300. Still virgin categories are Arts & Literature, Sports & Leisure, and Entertainment.
3513. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:37:47 PM
Entertainment!
3514. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:37:58 PM
for 100
3515. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:38:01 PM
arts & literature
3516. TrialShark - 1/26/2000 5:38:21 PM
Elliot --
You can take out the "ni" if you like.
3517. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:38:24 PM
urk!
for 100
3518. dusty - 1/26/2000 5:40:20 PM
Dantheman
I actually thought that speaker wires aren't of silver because silver more easily reacts with other substances than gold does. Not that I have either in my stereo, but...
See Message # 3450
You have gold in your computer. Look at the connectors on the cards.
Although there has been a move to tin., at least for memory.
Aluminum is a good conductor, especially for the cost. But it does have an oxidation problem. If properly installed, it works OK, but if not properly installed, it can lead to fires. There was a time when aluminum started to be used for house wiring, but due to subsequent fires, many building codes forbade it.
My recollection is that one must tighten down the connections, then come back and do it again at several times over increasing intervals, lasting perhaps a few weeks. This was a pain for many builders, and they reverted to copper.
3519. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:40:35 PM
Entertainment for $100 (last one before I head home).
This TV series was based on the novel Cyborg.
3520. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:40:41 PM
Fucking Indiana.
Chop chop with the question.
3521. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:41:09 PM
6 million dollar man, what is
3522. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:41:40 PM
ack!!!!!!!
3523. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:41:59 PM
now for $200
3524. dusty - 1/26/2000 5:43:21 PM
Ace, i know you are on a roll, but he said last one
Indiana, can you give us an ETA?
3525. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:43:24 PM
Ace scores. You name the next category while I update the board.
3526. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:43:48 PM
good lord. Are these questions coming 3rd class mail from East Bumfuck, Missori?
3527. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:44:03 PM
what roll? he got one for $100, after losing one for $500.
3528. dusty - 1/26/2000 5:44:26 PM
Ace give 'm a break, he's making them up as he goes along
3529. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:44:40 PM
Oh. Sorry.
I didn't see that.
Oh, well. Good game, Indiana.
3530. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 5:44:43 PM
dusty: I'll try to be on for a short session around 8 p.m. (ET) tonight, but I can't promise.
3531. dusty - 1/26/2000 5:45:18 PM
Oh yeah, rask you are on the roll, he's the hungry one.
3532. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:45:45 PM
Why is he making them up?
There's a Jeopardy cite on the web, somewhere. I figured he was just posting the questions from the on-line game.
3533. dusty - 1/26/2000 5:46:17 PM
Good enough for me. Try to coincide with a UConn time-out if you would
(Do I hafta add the "just kiddin'?)
3534. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:47:23 PM
dammit, I finally figger out what the hell y'all are talking about and then Indy has to LEAVE.
3535. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:48:15 PM
Ace's Jeopardy:
Four Categories:
Clinton Scandals... Hard Core Pornography ... Superheroes ... World War Two
Go.
3536. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:49:34 PM
Superheroes for $100
3537. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:50:38 PM
This stoned superhero's catchphrase is "It's Clobberin' Time!"
3538. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:52:23 PM
Who is The Thing. $200.
3539. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:52:57 PM
The Thing from Fantastic FOur
3540. janjon - 1/26/2000 5:53:18 PM
Do you mean as in James Arness?
3541. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:53:30 PM
DAMN!!!!!!!
3542. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:53:39 PM
Known as "The Star-Spangled Avenger," this superhero is an artist in his civilian guise.
3543. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:53:49 PM
Question, Ace.
Chop, chop.
3544. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:54:06 PM
Capt. aMERICA!
3545. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:54:33 PM
I assume its...
"Who is Captain America"
But I didn't know he was an artist. He does wear stars and stripes, and is in the Avengers, though.
3546. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:54:44 PM
Diva gets $200. Next category & dollar amount?
3547. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:54:55 PM
Shit, I mean, Who is Capt. America.
3548. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:55:10 PM
SuperHeroes, $300
3549. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 5:55:13 PM
Have to stop giving explanations. Throw some DC in here, Ace.
3550. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:55:13 PM
Diva:
Phrase answers in form of a question in the future.
3551. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:55:45 PM
Yes, massa.
3552. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:56:52 PM
Three hundred... hmmm... what's medium difficulty?
How about:
This sledgehammer-wielding member of the Justice League of America was created just after Superman's death.
3553. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:57:14 PM
Who is Thor?
3554. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:57:36 PM
Shit, no!
Who is Steel?
3555. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:57:55 PM
BZZZ.
Diva gets minus $300, bringing her down to minus $100.
3556. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:58:24 PM
aaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!
waaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!
3557. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 5:58:28 PM
Hmmmmm.... how do I handle that? I will call it a wash, and allow Diva to choose again. No points earned, though.
3558. theDiva - 1/26/2000 5:59:14 PM
Thank you, dear.
SuperHeroes for $400.
3559. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:00:43 PM
Assuming Diva picks SH for $400:
This perennial Spiderman foe once took away Spidey's power to stick to walls, once he realized the power was based on the principle of attractive static electricity.
3560. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:02:03 PM
errrr.....
3561. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 6:02:07 PM
So whenever Aunt May "grounded" Spidey he couldn't stick to walls?
3562. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:02:51 PM
Time... any answers before the beep-boop-boop?
3563. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:03:17 PM
I'm stumped.
3564. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 6:03:23 PM
I am pretty sucky at Marvel, anyway. I know very few developments that have occurred since I was 12 years old.
3565. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:04:00 PM
Beep-boop-boop.
The question was, "Who is Electro?" E-lec-tro. "Static electricity" was the clue there.
Diva retains control of the board.
3566. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 6:04:16 PM
give us the $500, so I can go home.
3567. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 6:04:54 PM
I forgot about him. Glad I didn't guess Doc Ock, like I was thinking.
3568. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:05:00 PM
Diva still gets to choose.
3569. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:05:08 PM
Superheroes for $500
The other categories are waaaaaaayyyyyy out in left field AFAIC.
3570. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:06:16 PM
Assuming she picks the $500:
This teenager served as the SECOND "Robin."
3571. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 6:06:26 PM
I might have a chance at WWII, but I'll be home by then.
3572. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 6:06:39 PM
who is jason todd
3573. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:06:49 PM
Who is Jason Todd?
3574. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:07:07 PM
ACK!!!!!!
Rask!
3575. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:07:11 PM
That is correct, Diva.
3576. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:07:27 PM
oops, rask
3577. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:07:41 PM
yeah, but Rask beat me by 10 seconds. Nertz.
3578. Raskolnikov - 1/26/2000 6:08:02 PM
Since I am leaving and won't be around to answer, I may as well waste a category I won't get anyway.
Porn for $500.
3579. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:09:25 PM
Hmmmm... a five hundred dollar porn question? Hmmmmmm...
This lithe, lisping blonde porn actress was formerly a nurse in her "civilian life."
3580. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:09:39 PM
ha!
this oughta be good.
3581. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:10:25 PM
as they say in Red Hook, fuhgeddaboudit.
3582. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:11:04 PM
Deeva:
Well, you know, it WAS a 500 dollar question. I had to ask a toughie.
3583. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:11:39 PM
Time... beep-boop-boop.
The question was, "Who is Nina Hartley?"
3584. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:13:39 PM
Are we done? I guess so.
3585. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:22:00 PM
You done cleared the room, bro.
3586. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:22:21 PM
Good superhero questions, though.
3587. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 6:22:44 PM
Deev:
Rask picked the category, not I.
3588. theDiva - 1/26/2000 6:27:32 PM
Yeah, but there's only two people around here, no wait, three who will actually admit that they know anything about that particular category.
3589. CalGal - 1/26/2000 6:38:18 PM
Nina Hartley is a porn star; she also played William Macy's wife in Boogie Nights.
3590. CalGal - 1/26/2000 6:39:13 PM
Oh, I didn't read back. Sorry. You guys weren't doing Jeopardy for a while, so I didn't realize you'd gotten back to it. I would have known it, too!
3591. Stumbo - 1/26/2000 7:29:03 PM
(BTW, CG: Carmen was correct.)
3592. CalGal - 1/26/2000 8:06:13 PM
Well, good. The only reason I listened to it (I usually don't do musical quizzes on anyone named Foetus) is because you said you wouldn't post any quizzes anymore, so I figured it was worth a shot to save the Mote the loss.
3593. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 10:08:57 PM
Current Jeopardy board
Category is Entertainment for $200.
This hit movie sees its heroes dropping acid in a New Orleans cemetery.
3594. CalGal - 1/26/2000 10:14:29 PM
What is Easy Rider?
3595. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 10:16:09 PM
Correct, CalGal. You have control of the board.
3596. Stumbo - 1/26/2000 10:18:57 PM
(CG: heh. I was just kidding, of course, but the point was to get people to listen to it. Thanks also to all others who did.)
3597. CalGal - 1/26/2000 10:21:37 PM
Entertainment for 300, Alex.
3598. Indiana Jones - 1/26/2000 10:24:39 PM
The winner of the best supporting actor for both Spartacus and Topkapi.
3599. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 10:40:17 PM
Lawrence Olivier?
3600. AceofSpades - 1/26/2000 10:43:09 PM
Okay, I looked up the answer, and it's not Olivier.
3601. CalGal - 1/26/2000 10:44:44 PM
Peter Ustinov
Entertainment for 400, Alex.
3602. Indiana Jones - 1/27/2000 9:11:14 AM
I'm going to be fairly busy today, so if one of the thread hosts wants to run any Jeopardy sessions, I'll update the board to reflect any scoring when I get a chance. I hope to run one tonight at about 8:30 or tomorrow at about 1:30 (ET).
Current board
CalGal has control and chose Entertainment for $400.
I have a specific square in mind for the Daily Double, but if someone else runs a session, he can pick his own square.
Here's how a daily double works (previous rules are hereby amended): If the person choosing is the first to answer the daily double, he or she scores a true daily double--either doubling score or getting $500 ($1000 in Double Jeopardy), whichever is larger. If someone else gets the daily double first, he or she gets $500 or $1000, respectively. Missing a daily double is -$500 or -$1000, regardless of who misses it.
3603. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 9:41:09 AM
So, what's the question, Indy?
3604. Indiana Jones - 1/27/2000 9:50:55 AM
Irv: I can't do it right now. If as a thread host you're willing to, I'll update the board later to reflect any scoring. Unfortunately, you wouldn't be able to play while running it, though.
Sorry!
3605. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 9:53:52 AM
Indy:
I just got my power back after 24 hours sweating in the darkness, and I was hoping to finally have a chance to play.
You can at least ask the next question, yes?
3606. Indiana Jones - 1/27/2000 10:20:09 AM
Alright. Here's entertainment for $400.
The kind of sky (color and implement) beneath which "the world was new," and Frank Sinatra and a love: "sang a song - and strolled on golden sand, two sweethearts, and the summer wind."
3607. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:32:34 AM
What is Blue Umbrella?
Geography for whatever amount is next, please.
3608. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:35:23 AM
That's Geography for $200, I think.
3609. Indiana Jones - 1/27/2000 10:40:46 AM
Irv: Seriously, this is the last one...Ace will accuse me of playing favorites.
Geography $200
Hyphenated French province lost to Germany from 1870 to 1918.
3610. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:43:03 AM
Alsace-Lorraine
3611. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:43:13 AM
What is Alsace-Lorraine?
Geography for $300.
And no hurry on the next question... whenever people are around or you have time.
3612. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:43:41 AM
I'll take Geography for $500. Irva's going down.
3613. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:44:48 AM
Shoot, I shouldn't have taken the time to be courteous... it cost me the 10 seconds where marj slipped in.
Are you going to start insisting on proper question form? That's another time consumer (when every second counts).
3614. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 10:45:15 AM
I can play host for awhile. During my College Bowl days, I wrote enough trivia questions to be able to come up with some decent quickies off the top of my head.
3615. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:47:03 AM
I bet yours will be more difficult, Rask. But no matter, the point is to beat Irva at his own game (geography, that is).
3616. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:48:25 AM
Yeah, Marj, be smug... you only got the last one because you used an incorrect answer form.
3617. Indiana Jones - 1/27/2000 10:48:31 AM
Take her away, Rask.
Jeopardy has started being lax about the question rule...how about for single jeopardy it's okay, but when we get to double jeopardy, no?
3618. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 10:48:49 AM
I'll write them to the room. Trivia is never fun if it just becomes an exercise in having the question writer try to show that he knows more than you do, particularly when he doesn't.
3619. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 10:50:38 AM
The name of this "largest lake in South America" continues to amuse English-speaking junior high school students world wide.
3620. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:51:41 AM
Lake Titicaca
3621. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:51:44 AM
What is Titicaca.
3622. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 10:52:23 AM
Waht is Lake Titicaca?
3623. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:52:25 AM
Shit. I hate it when Irv's hyped up for competition.
3624. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:53:01 AM
Please note that that was the $500 question, as requested by the over-confident marjoribanks.
I'll take geography for $300 next.
Thanks for hosting, Rask!
3625. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:53:15 AM
Rask, that's a baby question. It was for $500 dammit. I demand a do over.
3626. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 10:53:28 AM
correct, pick your category. we still have geog for $400, Ent for $500, science for $400 and $500, and all of Arts and Lit.
3627. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:55:16 AM
We also have Geog for $300, which I just picked.
3628. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 10:56:48 AM
Marj: bite me.
Irv: I assume you mean $400, since $300 was taken.
This body of water consist the northern-most point of the 48 contiguous US states.
3629. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 10:57:33 AM
Lake-of-the-woods
3630. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 10:57:45 AM
Lake of the Woods
3631. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 10:57:45 AM
oops, sorry, you are right on $300 still being available. Your $300 pick didn't count. That last question is for $300.
3632. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:58:02 AM
US geography, no fair.
What is Lake Michigan?
3633. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 10:58:06 AM
Cmboyce gets it. You have the board.
3634. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 10:58:17 AM
Hey, I'm in!
Geography for whatever's left.
3635. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 10:59:19 AM
Phew, thank god for boyce. Irva's lead could have been insurmountable.
3636. Dusty - 1/27/2000 10:59:20 AM
What is that lake in MN?
3637. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:01:09 AM
Geography for $400.
This Northern Ireland landmark consists of thousands of basalt columns rising out of the ocean off North Atrim County.
3638. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:01:56 AM
What is the Devil's Postpile?
3639. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:02:53 AM
boyce: no. -$400 for you.
3640. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:03:31 AM
Damn, I'm hamstrung by a really slow connection tonight.
3641. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 11:04:06 AM
Damn, you're good Boyce.
However, I must submit a formal complaint about the eurocentric elitism of our quizmaster. Nary a subcon question. I ask you, is that the way to conduct a neutral Geography quiz?
3642. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:05:01 AM
Minus $100, no?
Can I try again? Giant's Causeway.
3643. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:05:24 AM
Also, I am used to writing questions for a largely American audience, so I may be a bit off in assessing difficulty levels for you internationalists.
3644. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 11:05:46 AM
Well, well, Yahoo works, the Giant's Causeway.
3645. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:05:53 AM
Hahaha, no problem... a question I don't know anyway.
3646. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 11:06:45 AM
I submit that boyce cannot answer again.
3647. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:07:14 AM
Well, if it's mine to call, I'll take Geography for $500.
3648. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:08:01 AM
Crosspost. Well, I'll submit to Rask's call.
3649. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:08:47 AM
Boyce: correct on Giant's Causeway. Regarding the minuses, on Jeopardy, you lose the question points if you get it wrong. But the end result is a wash since you did get the question right on your second answer. You have the board.
3650. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:09:23 AM
Geography for $500.
3651. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:09:24 AM
Already done, Boyce.
I think the questions are very fair, Rask, even though I didn't know the last one.
And Indy already said participants can answer more than once.
3652. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:10:17 AM
The precedent has been the second guesses are acceptable. I am following that.
Geography is cleared. Pick another category.
Also, I submit that any subcon question I asked would only open the door to *greater* criticism by marj, since he would consider it insultingly easy.
3653. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:10:21 AM
Actually, I meant that having won $300 and lost $400, I shd be down $100. But having recovered, I'm up 7 going for 12.
3654. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 11:10:44 AM
You're quite the tattle-tale aren't you Snodgrass. I believe we shall let Rask decide this pressing issue in his usual fair and reasonable manner.
3655. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:11:27 AM
So wjhat's left? Was science still entirely open? I'll take Science for $100.
3656. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:11:59 AM
Oh, I am not keeping total scores. Indy said he would do that. I am just tallying the points of individual questions to make his job easier.
3657. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:14:30 AM
Science for $400 and $500 are open. This is for $400.
The light from this class of stars varies in brightness in regular periods, making them extremely useful in determining astronomical distances.
3658. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:14:58 AM
What are quasars?
3659. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:15:30 AM
What are cephid variable?
3660. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:15:36 AM
Incorrect, minus 400.
3661. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:15:54 AM
Dusty is correct for $400. You have the board.
3662. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:16:30 AM
Aargh!
3663. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:16:40 AM
(although it is "cephiad"). Science and Entertainment for 500 each are available, and all of Arts and Lit.
3664. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:16:42 AM
Science for 500
3665. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:18:15 AM
Rask... I believe Indy said incorrect answers would be -100, so I think Boyce is right.
And you're quite right about subcon questions, though I know i could stump Marj on one, easily.
3666. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 11:19:18 AM
Ask away, Irv. I'm pretty sure that I'm not getting the Science $500 one and I have to leave in a few minutes anyway.
3667. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:20:30 AM
Science for $500:
This is the genome sequence for the species puffinus puffinus
Just kidding.
Real question:
This is the chemical in onions which causes your eyes to water.
3668. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:21:15 AM
OK, Marj, an easy one, from the Subcon Arts and Lit category:
What was the name of Karna's weapon in the Bharatayudha?
3669. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:21:25 AM
Hmm, don't recall that, although I'm sure I'll recognize it.
3670. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:21:41 AM
I'd've done as well with the puffins.
3671. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:23:55 AM
Boyce:
Puffinus Puffinus is not a puffin. It is the manx Shearwater.
You can look it up.
3672. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:24:30 AM
I was wrong, I don't recognize the answer
3673. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:24:53 AM
I can't believe I out-birded the bird man. That's got to be worth points somewhere.
3674. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:25:09 AM
I knew that it wasn't the puffin, but I remembered the name from the "world's simplest quiz".
3675. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:25:58 AM
How long until we all give up on the Sci question?
Dusty should choose another category.
3676. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:26:01 AM
anyone, anyone, Beuller?
3677. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:26:28 AM
Huh. Well, I believe you, Irv, but how come?. They can't be very closely related, alcids and tubenoses. ???
3678. JayAckroyd - 1/27/2000 11:26:36 AM
Urban Legends list of annoying questions includes some open issues that folks here might have some insight on.
Green check means true
Red X means false
? means investigated but still open
No mark means open and uninvestigated. Some of those are language questions.
And they are interesting in their own right. Kinda cool that they posted it. I was on their mailing list when the list was started, and the investigations began.
3679. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 11:26:45 AM
Irva,
Actually, that's fairly easy I think. It's the Shakti. Now I'm off, thanks for the pleasant interlude folks.
3680. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:26:48 AM
Rask:
Me, too!
3681. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:27:36 AM
Time.
Next category. Still have Entertainment for $500, and all of Arts and Lit, and Sports and Leisue (which I missed earlier).
3682. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:27:52 AM
If no one answers, then on to Entertainment, and I can retire, being clueless in that area.
And assuming the onion question is dead what is ethylsufine
3683. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:28:10 AM
oh. Answer was "sulfuric acid".
3684. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:29:04 AM
Wrong, Marj.
Shakti simply means "power." Karna's weapon was the "Konta," which was a shakti weapon, just like the cakra, the negala, or a hundred other weapons in the epics. I'll give you another chance later with a really easy one.
3685. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:29:07 AM
Dusty: that isn't the answer I was told, but I was going to be pretty accepting of any "sulfur" variant.
3686. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:30:13 AM
Irv: I'm not so birdy as all that; I just like the little chirpers. Here's a nice one: A: Upupa epops (rimshot!)
3687. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:30:30 AM
Boyce:
No idea why, I just know it is.
Jay:
Cool link! I'll check out the questions (I may have something to add) after the quiz.
3688. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:30:44 AM
Entertainment for $500:
This movie featured the only time Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin appeared onscreen together.
3689. marjoribanks - 1/27/2000 11:31:09 AM
Okay I'll take that one, the hoopoe. One of my favorite birds. Now I'm really off.
3690. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:32:32 AM
US Army training film, "The Spirit of the Bayonet".
3691. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:32:49 AM
I probably shouldn't have chosen a question which can easily be determined from the IMDB, but at least people who knew the question off the top of their heads will have a chance to get in first.
3692. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:33:05 AM
Good grab, Marj.
3693. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:34:15 AM
I looked up the Chaplin/Keaton answer... never heard of it (no surprise).
3694. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:34:31 AM
Boyce: interesting answer, but no. Where did that one come from?
3695. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:35:47 AM
I dunno. It just popped into my head, so I let it out. (Would you want something like that in yourhead?)
3696. JayAckroyd - 1/27/2000 11:37:04 AM
Didn't mean to interrupt.
3697. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:37:51 AM
Where are Cal and Cellar when we need them?
tick... tick...
3698. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:38:13 AM
Jay:
There's no such thing as interrupting in the Mote. It's a great link.
3699. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:39:54 AM
Time. The Answer is "Limelight".
Boyce got the last question before Dusty, who has left, so he has the board. Sports/Leisure and Arts/Entertainment are untouched. choose.
3700. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:40:12 AM
Arts/Lit rather.
3701. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:41:53 AM
Wasn't that an "Arts/Entertainment" question?
3702. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:42:29 AM
Jay, thanks, great site.
3703. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:43:50 AM
Oops, sorry, I thought I was out of it. But I don't watch much Jeopardy, so I didn't know the rules.
3704. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:45:28 AM
So choose already, Dusty.
Some of us have a bedtime fast approaching.
3705. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:46:19 AM
I thought cmboyce had been given the board.
Art/lit, if it is my choice
3706. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:49:48 AM
Since you are still around, you have control. I had thought you had left.
Art/Lit for $100:
This was the first children's book written by Dr Seuss.
3707. theDiva - 1/27/2000 11:51:13 AM
Hop on Pop
3708. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:51:32 AM
Diva: no.
3709. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:52:09 AM
Pronounced to rhyme with rejoice
3710. theDiva - 1/27/2000 11:52:16 AM
nertz
3711. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 11:53:00 AM
That's for $100? Tough question! Do I want to risk losing $100 with a guess?
3712. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:53:18 AM
I don't knwo well enough to guess. Has anyone checked out his WWII Hitler stuff? Interesting.
3713. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:54:56 AM
If no one gets this and the board is still mine , proceed on to next in Art/Lit. I have to run shortly.
3714. JayAckroyd - 1/27/2000 11:55:02 AM
Cat in the Hat
3715. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:55:08 AM
The Cat in the Hat
3716. theDiva - 1/27/2000 11:55:17 AM
What was The Cat in the Hat?
(assuming this is not an illegal second suessguess.)
3717. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:55:21 AM
Difficulty level is hard for me to gauge sometimes, since most of my peers grew up on all things Seuss. I'll make it easier.
This story, about how a boy's imagination overacts while he is walking home from school, was Dr Seuss's first children's book.
3718. Dusty - 1/27/2000 11:55:52 AM
Arghh, I almost guessed that, but figured there must be an obscure earlier one. But for $100, I should have known better.
3719. theDiva - 1/27/2000 11:55:54 AM
grumble rumble grumble mumble
3720. JayAckroyd - 1/27/2000 11:57:26 AM
If that means "right" Rask, I'll take Art/Lit for two hundred
3721. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 11:58:11 AM
I don't think we've seen the answer yet. If TCITH is right, Jay got it (while I was reading his link!#@).
3722. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:58:24 AM
Cat in the Hat is wrong.
3723. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 11:58:53 AM
repeat:
"This story, about how a boy's imagination overacts while he is walking home from school, was Dr Seuss's first children's book."
3724. JayAckroyd - 1/27/2000 11:59:06 AM
I'm bailing with a guaranteed last place.
3725. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:00:24 PM
I can even see the picture, but I can't get the title
3726. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:02:13 PM
(I looked it up):
And to Think That I Saw it on Mulberry Street
It's there in white.
3727. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:02:56 PM
Oh yeah. I remember. But I doubt I would have remembered without seeing it.
3728. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:03:56 PM
So it's Dusty's Art/Lit for $200, right?
3729. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:07:43 PM
yep. the answer is "To think that I saw it on Mulberry Street". I guess it was tougher than I thought.
For $200:
This composer's only opera was "Fidelio".
3730. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:08:28 PM
Beethoven
3731. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:08:55 PM
Arts/Lit for $300
3732. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:10:38 PM
This Nigerian novel tells the story of Okonkwo.
3733. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:13:11 PM
Things Fall Apart
3734. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:13:59 PM
Correct. Pick the next question.
3735. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:21:14 PM
Sorry, my connection dropped.
Interesting sidenote: Chinua Achebe was my landlord in college for a semester.
Next Q: Sports for $100.
3736. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:25:03 PM
He was your landlord?? Cool beyond all belief. Did he fix your plumbing or contract out?
Sports & Leisure Question:
This sport, in most non-"professional" versions, also allows points for takedowns, reversals, and near-falls.
3737. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:25:42 PM
What is wrestling
3738. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:25:44 PM
Wrestling
3739. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:26:05 PM
Sports for 200 (if right)
3740. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:28:07 PM
yes. pick the next cat.
3741. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:28:56 PM
wrestling
3742. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:30:33 PM
arrgh, I hate this connection.
Rask:
Achebe was a real jerk. He'd come over and yell at us because the sump pump was broken (like, how do you break a sump pump?) and stuff like that. He wasn't interested in knowing us as people, and never discussed his writing with us.
3743. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:31:48 PM
Good question: S&L for 200:
This is how one breaks a sump pump.
Just kidding. still waiting for Dusty's cat.
3744. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:32:26 PM
3745. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:32:56 PM
He already picked S/L $200 at 3739.
3746. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:32:57 PM
But sports for 200 is the quicker answer
3747. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:33:07 PM
Rask: look at 3739...
3748. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:34:21 PM
d'oh. sorry.
The English, The French, The Ruy Lopez, and The Sicilian are all terms associated with this game.
3749. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:34:35 PM
What is chess
3750. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:34:54 PM
S/L 300
3751. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:35:43 PM
Assuming I'm right of course, and they aren't fencing terms
3752. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:35:49 PM
arrrgh
3753. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:36:54 PM
Irv has a built-in handicap, but that seems fair.
3754. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:37:58 PM
Correct. For $300:
This is the technical name for the scoopy-thing that is used to play Jai Alai.
3755. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:38:42 PM
Arghh, I have a friend who plays and has one.
3756. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:39:06 PM
But my mind is a blank
3757. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:39:33 PM
cesta
3758. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:39:41 PM
Cesta.
3759. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:40:34 PM
Irv gets it. pick.
3760. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:40:54 PM
Yep. The ball is a pelota, but I couldn't remember cesta
3761. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:41:26 PM
ha, I actually got one.
I have one autographed by real jai alai players (a long story)/
3762. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:42:09 PM
ha, I actually got one.
I have one autographed by real jai alai players (a long story)
Sports, for whatever is next...
3763. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:42:19 PM
Good progression of difficulty, but when I fit a regression line, I think $500 will be very tough.
3764. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:43:02 PM
Will look forward to new entry in Stories, Tall and Short
3765. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:43:06 PM
and they play on a fronton... I used to be quite a jai alai fan.
3766. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:44:30 PM
I've been to a fronton, and walked out with more money that when I walked in. One of the few times I've ever bet on anything.
3767. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:45:56 PM
Descriptive trivia:
In American football, if the referee sees that you blocke another player from behind, he will announce your penalty with this body signal.
3768. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:47:07 PM
Hand slapping the back of the thigh,.
3769. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:47:07 PM
clipping... arm moved behind the legs
3770. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:47:13 PM
What a chopping motion near the knee?
3771. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:48:06 PM
Wow, a dead heat. And two different but correct answers, I'd say. Adjudicator?
3772. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:48:11 PM
shit... a fraction of a second.
3773. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:48:54 PM
general descriptions are all correct, Boyce got in first.
3774. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:49:12 PM
I gues maybe mine is rather badly put, so I'll yield to Irv. Take that fiver, Irv!
3775. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:49:40 PM
no, cm... you got it first.
3776. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:49:53 PM
Irv, you may have liteally lost due to the pokiness of light
3777. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:50:10 PM
Boyce. its yours, dammit. pick.
3778. Dusty - 1/27/2000 12:50:18 PM
How about a tie? give it em both
3779. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:50:22 PM
In that case, I'll take it. S/L for 500.
3780. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:51:39 PM
True enough, Dusty... I'm posting from 12,000 miles away.
But the point still belongs to Boyce.
3781. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:52:13 PM
for $500.
This is the total cost of putting hotels on both Boardwalk *and* Park Place in "Monopoly".
3782. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:53:08 PM
What is $2000.
3783. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:53:11 PM
for clarity, that includes the cost of all previous houses. I'll cut some slack if this threw people off.
3784. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:53:36 PM
Boyce again. Pick. We have 2 or 3 lits left.
3785. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 12:53:48 PM
sheesh... my kids would know that one, in a flash.
3786. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:54:24 PM
Lit for 300
3787. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:54:26 PM
what is easy for kids is not always so for adults. Can make for some good trivia.
3788. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:56:23 PM
Its actually lit for 400 (I checked back, 300 was taken). 2nd to last question on the board.
This fictional character chopped up two elderly women with an axe, before falling in love with a pious prostitute, confessing to the police, and being shipped off to prison.
3789. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:57:00 PM
Raskolnikov
3790. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:57:52 PM
Sorry, couldn't resist the vanity question. correct.
3791. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 12:58:42 PM
Final question:
This Shakespeare character says "cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war".
3792. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:59:03 PM
I'll take the last one, then.
(Good timing, too; I shoulda been outa here 20 minutes ago.)
3793. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 12:59:43 PM
Brutus
3794. CalGal - 1/27/2000 1:00:30 PM
That's odd, I thought it was Antony.
3795. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 1:00:47 PM
Boyce rules. That is it for my turn as your host.
3796. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 1:01:00 PM
Shit. Maybe it was. Rask?
3797. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 1:01:17 PM
Almost everyone thinks it is Antony, which is why I love the question.
3798. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 1:01:49 PM
Hey, great! Now I have to run. See y'all later.
3799. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/27/2000 1:03:23 PM
Hey, Rask, thanks for hosting! You did a wonderful job (despite what that whining Marjoribanks had to say).
3800. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 1:07:10 PM
Fuck. It is Antony. Sorry Boyce, I have no idea why I have always thought it was from Brutus' speech.
Julius Caesar, Act 3, Scene 1:
"ANTONY O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
That I am meek and gentle with these butchers! 275
Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
That ever lived in the tide of times.
Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood!
Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,--
Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips, 280
To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue--
A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
Blood and destruction shall be so in use 285
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge, 290
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial."
Cal gets the $500.
3801. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 1:08:25 PM
Its a soliloquiy after the death of Caesar, not in his famous oration.
3802. Indiana Jones - 1/27/2000 1:08:45 PM
Thanks for the superb job, Rask. I'll tally up later.
3803. CalGal - 1/27/2000 1:12:21 PM
That's a relief. I couldn't figure out why I remembered Brando saying Mason's line. It's not like they'd read it the same way.
3804. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 1:14:13 PM
In college bowl, visual questions like the football ones were always a hoot. I always made sure to write one which forced the team to flex the correct muscle, given the medical name, perform a dance step, or act out semaphore.
3805. Raskolnikov - 1/27/2000 1:16:22 PM
It isn't beyond a movie to switch lines between actors, but given the context of the rest of the speech, having Brutus say it wouldn't make any sense.
I have no excuse there anyway. I have never seen a production of the play, but have read it and wrote a term paper comparing Brutus' and Antony's argumentative techniques. But that was 10 years ago, and I fear my mind is going.
3806. CalGal - 1/27/2000 1:19:51 PM
Well, that production of Julius Caesar is quite faithful--it's worth a look. Besides, I did study it in high school, and I was pretty sure it was in the second soliloquy.
3807. cmboyce - 1/27/2000 4:19:12 PM
Well, very good, Cal. I was thinking it was Brutus finally coming in against Antony. I should know better. The Quiz Thread is good for anti-hubris sensitivity training.
3808. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 8:56:54 AM
Current standings and new categories for Double Jeopardy
If anyone thinks a score is wrong, please let me know.
I plan to start DJ at about 1:30 (ET) today. Anyone can participate.
One rule change for DJ: Answering without the proper form won't be counted wrong, but the first person answering in proper form (as a question) gets the points.
(Reminder) daily doubles work as follows: If the person choosing the DD also gets it right (first), that person doubles his or her score or gains $1000, whichever is greater. Anyone else gets $1000. Wrong responses are -$1000, regardless of who attempted it.
Remember also, no dropping below 0.
CalGal has control of the board, but if she doesn't post a question choice between now and then, I'll start with world leaders for $200.
3809. CalGal - 1/28/2000 9:01:02 AM
Pre-90s Pop Music for 200.
3810. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 9:08:00 AM
Indy:
Thanks for putting so much effort into this.. it shows, and it's greatly appreciated.
I have one minor request: since 1:30 EST is 2:30 AM here, would it be possible to start DJ a bit earlier?
Looking at the standings, it's quite impressive that Rask is so high up, as he removed himself from yesterday's competition by filling in as host, a very selfless and highly-appreciated move.
3811. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 9:08:59 AM
Hey, why not start now, since Cal has already picked a category?
3812. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 9:13:07 AM
I can't start now. I do have to work sometimes :-).
I'll try to start at 12:30 ET, but that's the best I can do.
I would say someone else could pitch in, like Rask did yesterday, but it would be nice to give everyone a little warning.
And Irv, it's Friday. Stay up late!
3813. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 9:17:07 AM
Hahaha, Indy, I stay up late every day. I think I can be here at 1:30 AM.
3814. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 12:31:58 PM
Unless I have miscalculated, it should be 12:30 EST in a few minutes...
3815. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 12:33:51 PM
Or, according to the Mote clock, a few minutes ago...
3816. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:45:07 PM
Coming up, Irv. I may have to take a phonecall, though.
Here's $200 for pop music.
Early in her career, Penthouse published nude photos of her with another woman.
3817. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:46:38 PM
Who is Vanessa Williams?
3818. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:48:00 PM
Correct. You have control of the board.
3819. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:48:33 PM
Pre-90s pop, 400
3820. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:48:49 PM
I should also warn everyone that the animal kingdom is not my forte, so it will take longer for me to think of questions on that subject.
3821. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:49:24 PM
Pop music $400: This songwriter who penned "Laura" was born in
Savannah, Georgia in 1909.
3822. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:50:46 PM
Who is Johnny Mercer?
3823. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:51:10 PM
Who is Johnny Mercer? But he only did the lyrics to Laura.
Pop Music for 600.
3824. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:51:30 PM
ahem.....
3825. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:51:40 PM
Ack, Diva beat me to it. Sorry for putting the category, I just was about to be called away and didn't want to hold up the game.
3826. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:52:30 PM
no problem, I'd have chosen it anyway.
3827. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:53:20 PM
Diva is correct and has control of the board.
3828. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:53:53 PM
Okay...
In its heyday, this group was said to be worth more than Volvo to the Swedish economy. $600
3829. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:54:16 PM
Who is Abba?
3830. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 12:54:16 PM
who is abba
3831. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:54:24 PM
Who is Abba?
3832. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 12:54:31 PM
who is abba?
3833. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:54:39 PM
I'm humiliated that I know that.
3834. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:54:48 PM
Wow. A difference of nanoseconds, apparently.
3835. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 12:55:15 PM
but you used proper punctuation, so I can't cry.
3836. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 12:55:19 PM
I can see this connection is going to kill me tonight.
3837. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:55:29 PM
What's really funny is that Pelle probably didn't know that.
3838. CalGal - 1/28/2000 12:55:49 PM
Yeah, that's true. I feel better.
Same category for 800.
3839. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:55:52 PM
Naw, Pelle knows everything.
3840. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 12:55:59 PM
pick your cats, winners. chop chop.
3841. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:57:39 PM
A member of both the Country Music Hall of Fame and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, this performer has stopped touring because of Shy Drager
Syndrome. $800
3842. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 12:58:00 PM
who is johnny cash?
3843. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:58:14 PM
Who is WIllie Nelson?
3844. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 12:58:46 PM
Rask scores...luckily for Diva :-)
3845. theDiva - 1/28/2000 12:59:21 PM
phooey.
3846. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 12:59:39 PM
world leaders for $200.
3847. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:00:18 PM
$200 One translation of the name of this former dictator of Zaire was "the cock who leaves no hen untouched."
3848. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:00:35 PM
who is mobutu
3849. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:01:14 PM
Who is Niner?
3850. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:01:15 PM
Who is Mobutu Sese Seko?
3851. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:01:16 PM
WL for $400.
I fear that Irv is going to be screaming at his connection speed even more in this cat.
3852. CalGal - 1/28/2000 1:01:25 PM
Who is Mobutu?
3853. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:02:10 PM
also, you guys know that there actually is an online version of Jeopardy, right?
3854. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:03:18 PM
speed tip: make the number of posts per page pretty small (like 10), so the page loads faster.
3855. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:03:36 PM
Rask is correct.
His letter to FDR written when he was 14 years old asked Roosevelt for $10 "green American"--or maybe verde americano.
3856. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:04:01 PM
mine's at 8, Rask
3857. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:04:04 PM
Who is Castro?
3858. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:04:11 PM
who is fidel castro?
3859. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:04:40 PM
ok irv: I shouldn't teach grandma to suck eggs.
3860. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:04:53 PM
Diva is correct and has the board.
3861. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:05:03 PM
Who is Castro?
3862. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:05:13 PM
gasp!
Bible for $200
3863. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:05:40 PM
praise the lord.
3864. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:05:57 PM
I shouldn't have made that last post... wasted valuable time
3865. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:06:02 PM
$200 According to Revelations (and varying interpretation), the gross number of Jews who will be saved in the final judgment.
3866. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:06:13 PM
ha! You never know, I may expose my ignorance in this category as well.
3867. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:06:32 PM
What is 144,000?
3868. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:06:33 PM
shit, and me a good Muslim boy...
3869. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:06:59 PM
Ouch. For $200? I am going to go on a limb, assume that the $200 means that it is guessable, and say "zero".
3870. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:07:17 PM
Diva is correct and retains control
3871. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:07:25 PM
Rask!
3872. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:07:40 PM
No kidding?
Bible for $400.
3873. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:07:42 PM
glad I took my time.
3874. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:08:14 PM
#3870
Words to live by.
3875. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:08:44 PM
Rask, sorry, but always underestimate the difficulty of Bible questions. Even the best Jeopardy players miss them quite a bit. I was raised a Baptist, though.
3876. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:09:14 PM
$600 The harlot with a scarlet thread in her window.
3877. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:10:11 PM
Damn! I know this!
I even remember the book, I think it's Kings....
she was a prostitute, she hid those two spies...
DAMN!
3878. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:10:15 PM
I think I'll go get a snack while we're in this discriminatory category.
3879. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:10:27 PM
who is jezebel?
3880. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:10:58 PM
Who is Jael?
3881. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:11:20 PM
Jezebel is wrong.
3882. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:11:26 PM
what is the status of the bible in Islam anyway? I was under the impression that it did have some sort of recognized status.
3883. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:11:38 PM
Jael is wrong.
3884. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:11:55 PM
Then I will correct you, and point out that Diva picked $400, not $600 for the clue.
3885. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:12:33 PM
Dang it, I know this. She's part of Christ's lineage on his mother's side, too.
3886. CalGal - 1/28/2000 1:14:43 PM
Well, you've tagged two of the three prostitutes I know--is it Rahab?
3887. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:15:06 PM
Oops, you're right. We'll count the misses for $400. And consider the $400 question missed. Please choose again, Diva.
3888. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:15:30 PM
That's it!
I was thinking Hagar, and I knew it was wrong. Good going, Cal.
3889. CalGal - 1/28/2000 1:15:42 PM
Not that I know any prostitutes. Or harlots. Nor do I "know" them.
And it occurs to me that Magdalene was a prostitute, too, so I guess I know of four.
3890. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:15:47 PM
CalGal will be credited for the correct answer, as she posted before I did. So she also has control.
3891. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:16:03 PM
Wait, Indy, Cal answered that one. Now what do we do?
3892. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:16:18 PM
never mind.
3893. CalGal - 1/28/2000 1:16:23 PM
Diva,
Hagar the Horrible, not the harlot. Jeez.
3894. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:16:46 PM
The phonecall just came in. I should be able to get back in about 30 minutes.
3895. CalGal - 1/28/2000 1:17:05 PM
I got it? Wow. I'll have to thank my sister for her lectures.
Pre 90s Pop for 800.
3896. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:17:06 PM
Ha!
3897. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:17:16 PM
lunchtime.
3898. Jenerator - 1/28/2000 1:17:22 PM
Didn't she behead the enemy?
3899. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:17:30 PM
yeah, me too.
3900. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:17:55 PM
Jen, yes. Dang it, if I had my bible with me I could have looked it up in a New York minute.
3901. Jenerator - 1/28/2000 1:18:06 PM
Yeah, didn't the harlot and Diva behead the enemy?
3902. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:19:32 PM
sheesh, I got disconnected. But I didn't know the answer anyway.
Rask, to answer your question... the old testament is generally regarded as truth in Islam, though it isn't a holy book. The new testament is regarded to be not the word of God, though Jesus (Isa) is a prophet.
3903. Jenerator - 1/28/2000 1:23:07 PM
Irv,
That's one thing I've never understood about Islam. I've heard that the OT is referred to as a holy book, or as a book of truth, yet it's generally disregarded as untrue or unreliable because someone somewhere tampered with it.
3904. Jenerator - 1/28/2000 1:23:55 PM
It's like: HERE IS A BOOK OF TRUTH, BUT IT'S UNTRUE.
3905. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:26:32 PM
#3901
No, I just gave 'em a good wedgie.
3906. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:27:04 PM
Not at all, Jen. The basis of the religion is the same, and most of the prophets are shared. But Islam feels that only the word of God passed down to Mohamed comprises the full revelation of God.
3907. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:28:19 PM
Wait, Hagar was Abraham's concubine and Ishmael's mother, right?
3908. Jenerator - 1/28/2000 1:29:09 PM
My Muslim friend Mansour told me that he regards the OT with respect, but that when it comes down to its veracity regarding the prophecies of Jesus, and the account of Jacob, it's been tampered with.
3909. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:30:20 PM
Jenerator:
I wouldn't say "tampered with." It's just that it is not considered as the pure word of God.
3910. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:31:56 PM
A good way of looking at it: I'm sure you consider the Bible the true word of God, yes? Is it surprising that Muslims feel the same about their holy writings?
3911. Jenerator - 1/28/2000 1:34:21 PM
Irv,
Not at all, and I am only asking, because I really am curious. How can a book be considered holy truth and disregarded as untrue and unholy at the same time? Is it more of a handbook to go by or a history book of sorts?
3912. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:37:49 PM
Jen:
The Old Testament as you know it is not read by Muslims. I think that's where your misconceptions lie. It is a holy book of another religion which shares some of the same prophets and stories. As such, there is some truth in it. But as a book it has no status whatsoever in Islam.
3913. JayAckroyd - 1/28/2000 1:51:47 PM
As a work of canon, it doesn't, no. But it does describe the words and acts of people holy in the eyes of the Prophet (or, I guess I should say, in the eyes of God while he was dictating).
Jen, the Koran is holy writ in Islam. Other works of religious literature can't be. The Old Testament is filled with irrelevant, and sometimes blasphemous content, to someone who practices Islam.
3914. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:52:17 PM
The next question will be pre-90s pop music for $1000, unless I screwed up again. ($200 Vanessa Williams, $400 Johnny Mercer, $600 Abba, $800 Johnny Cash).
Coming up...
3915. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 1:52:41 PM
Well put, Jay.
3916. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:53:12 PM
Nicknamed "Mr. C," this crooner held the Guiness record for highest paid TV performer (based on per-minute salary) for several years--but not "Till the End of Time." $1000
3917. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:53:44 PM
Who was Nat 'King' Cole?
3918. JayAckroyd - 1/28/2000 1:54:37 PM
Shukran, Irv.
(Just once. Just once. I wanted to do one of those foreign language postings you polyglots are always doing. It's a pity I had to transliterate, but I'll take it.)
3919. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:55:31 PM
Cole is not correct.
3920. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:56:08 PM
Balls.
3921. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:56:27 PM
GOd, what an idiot I am.
Who is Bing Crosby?
3922. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:57:46 PM
Bing Crosy is incorrect.
3923. theDiva - 1/28/2000 1:58:39 PM
Okay, I'm just gonna fall on my sword now.
3924. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 1:59:15 PM
who is perry como?
3925. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:59:34 PM
Hey, you might as well guess again. $2000 down probably knocked you to zero, and there aren't that many possibilities left.
3926. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 1:59:55 PM
Rask scores $1000 and has control.
3927. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:00:22 PM
whatever the next one in "world leaders" is.
3928. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:01:13 PM
My grandmother would be mortified, he is her absolute favorite singer.
3929. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:01:59 PM
World leaders $600--Disguised as a woman he led a 1973 raid on the PLO group responsible for the Munich Olympic murders.
3930. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:06:49 PM
If someone posts "time," I'll kill the question. Otherwise, I'll assume everyone's occupied.
3931. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:07:09 PM
I could make some guesses, but none that I feel confident about enough to make the 50/50 wager.
3932. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:07:30 PM
No, wait! I feel like making an ass of myself.
Who is Binyamin Netanyahu?
3933. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:07:48 PM
Irv might know it. Wait a bit for him to say yes or no.
3934. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:08:36 PM
well, if Deev eliminates a few more, I may feel better guessing, just like in the last one.
3935. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:08:56 PM
It was Barak. No harm, no foul.
That means Rask retains control.
3936. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:09:47 PM
The next WL question.
3937. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:10:03 PM
I thought it might be barak, but I wasn't confident enough to wager $600.
3938. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:10:12 PM
hahahaha!
Glad I could help, rask.
3939. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:11:41 PM
Daily double time. Remember that if Rask scores this, he doubles his score. Otherwise, it's a $1000 question.
The world figure who received Spiro Agnew's official letter of resignation.
3940. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:12:20 PM
remind me on the rules. Do I lose if I don't guess?
3941. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:12:26 PM
Who was Henry Kissinger?
3942. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:13:46 PM
Diva scores.
No, Rask, you don't lose anything except for a wrong answer, which is -$1000. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
3943. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:14:37 PM
I was thinking like Jeopardy, where only the guy who gets the double is eligible to guess.
Evidently not. No biggie. I wouldn't have guessed HK anyway.
3944. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:15:40 PM
No shit?
Wow.
Bible for $800.
3945. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:16:54 PM
When I first was thinking this up, Rask, I was trying to make the DD valuable while not creating a "wait state" in which everyone had to wait on one poster. Not to mention no one can be prevented from answering.
3946. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:17:38 PM
was I not supposed to blurt that out?
3947. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:19:21 PM
Diva has found the other DD. It's a $1000 question for everyone else. If she jumps in first and misses it, she loses $1000. Otherwise she doubles her score or gains $1000, whichever is greater.
Methusaleh apparently died before this man, his father.
3948. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:21:21 PM
Who is Enoch?
3949. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:21:22 PM
Who was Enoch?
3950. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:21:33 PM
damn!@
3951. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:22:02 PM
shit, one second, and a delayed connection wouldn't "take."
3952. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:23:29 PM
Assuming it's correct, computers for 200.
3953. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:23:48 PM
It's correct.
3954. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:26:31 PM
CalGal scores and has control.
Remaining are Bible $600, $1000
fiction, computers, finance
And world leaders $1000
Let's knock off animal kingdom. Somehow I put seven categories up when I was editing the file the second time.
CalGal chooses computers $200:
Unit of computer storage 1000 times as great as a gigabyte.
3955. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:27:52 PM
what is a terabyte
3956. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:28:00 PM
What is a terabyte?
3957. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:28:16 PM
Punctuation cost me that time.
3958. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:28:36 PM
fiction for $200.
3959. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:28:37 PM
Rask scores $200 and has control.
3960. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:29:33 PM
Fiction $200:
Often called the first novel, this Spanish work was also the inspiration of a hit Broadway musical.
3961. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:29:48 PM
what is don quixote
3962. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:30:10 PM
fiction for 4
3963. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:30:23 PM
What is Don Qixote?
3964. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:30:53 PM
arrrgh
3965. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:31:04 PM
Irv
Let's work together. You got the brains, I got the T-1 connection. Call me - you'll give me the answers, and I'll post them.
3966. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:31:26 PM
Rask scores $200
Fiction $400:
Novel that begins "All happy families are alike."
3967. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:31:43 PM
what is anna karenina
3968. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:32:00 PM
fiction for 6
3969. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:32:12 PM
shit, it's one of those Russian novels. Rask is a lock.
3970. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:33:05 PM
Rask scores $400.
Fiction for $600:
19th-century British author generally credited with inventing the cliff-hanger.
3971. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:34:04 PM
ooch.
Who is Dickens?
3972. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:34:08 PM
Who is Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?
3973. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:34:48 PM
Rask scores $600.
3974. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:35:03 PM
Fiction for 8
3975. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:35:09 PM
Sure, Irv, just ignore my generous offer.
3976. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:35:30 PM
Dickens? You're kidding.
3977. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:36:02 PM
Yeah, he wrote those weekly serials. Dammit, I forgot about that.
3978. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:36:07 PM
Fiction for $800: 19th-century novel that features Julien Sorel as the protagonist who struggles to choose between the temptations of French aristocracy and the cloth.
3979. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:36:15 PM
he wrote in serials. Every installment ended with a cliffhanger.
3980. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:36:23 PM
Deev, I can't afford the phone call, at 5 bucks a minute.
3981. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:37:34 PM
What is "The Red and the Black"
3982. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:38:18 PM
Irv
Just think of the rate of return, though!
3983. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:38:21 PM
Rask scores $800, and I assume will want to finish out the category.
This contemporary novel starts out with a butler deciding to take a holiday in his master's car. The film version dropped this frame device.
3984. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:39:16 PM
I don't know this one.
3985. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:40:40 PM
neither do I.
If it wasn't a contemporary novel, and if there wasn't a film, I know of a novel which fits.
3986. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:41:14 PM
What is Remains of the Day?
3987. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:42:10 PM
I bet CalGal would know. The butler's former employer was a British Nazi sympathizer, but he now works for an American.
3988. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:42:42 PM
CalGal scores $1000 and has control of the board.
3989. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:42:49 PM
that does sound like Remains of the Day.
3990. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:43:30 PM
Computers for 400.
3991. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:44:22 PM
Three-letter abbreviation used in early models of Radio Shack PCs.
3992. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:44:40 PM
what is TRS
3993. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:45:15 PM
woo hoo! my former management of a Radio Shack finally proved useful.
3994. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:45:49 PM
(although I actually owned one of their computers as a kid, so I knew it anyway)
Computers for 6
3995. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:45:52 PM
I don't know anything about this category. And it's almost 4 AM. I'm packing it in. Good luck, all. I ended up with zero poinys for the evening.
3996. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/28/2000 2:46:08 PM
points, too.
3997. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:46:32 PM
sorry Irv. Good night!
3998. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:47:08 PM
Might as well pause the game while Cal drives for the millenial...
3999. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:48:00 PM
who...
4000. CalGal - 1/28/2000 2:48:07 PM
me?
4001. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:48:24 PM
Sorry, Irv. Better luck (and connection) next time.
Rask scores $400.
Computers $600:
"Spielberg" name for an SGI workstation that featured a built-in camera.
4002. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:52:43 PM
I don't know this one, in case you haven't guessed by now.
4003. JJBiener - 1/28/2000 2:52:46 PM
HAL?
4004. Indiana Jones - 1/28/2000 2:54:58 PM
Time.
What was the "Indy"?
That was to keep with the time-honored tradition of including one vanity question.
I'm going to stop for now, and maybe try tomorrow night, late (maybe 10 p.m. ET), unless there are objections.
4005. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:55:28 PM
No, I need to get back to work anyway.
4006. theDiva - 1/28/2000 2:55:56 PM
Good questions, Indy. Thanks.
4007. Raskolnikov - 1/28/2000 2:56:00 PM
Nice job Indy!
4008. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 8:42:59 PM
Here's the current Mote Jeopardy board. I'll try to run a session at about 11 p.m. (ET) tonight, if anyone's around.
Please let me know if anyone thinks their score is wrong.
4009. theDiva - 1/29/2000 8:47:55 PM
Mine can't be that high.
4010. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 8:48:36 PM
Start whenever you like, Indy (preferably before anyone with a faster connection shows up). I'm glad to see I'm still in third place after that fiasco the other night (though the remaining categories don't bode well for me).
4011. theDiva - 1/29/2000 8:51:02 PM
Irv (or Oiv, if you prefer)
I'm guessing the playing field will be a bit more level WRT connections....most people are prolly at home tonight.
4012. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 8:54:08 PM
Deev:
But I'm still the only one at home with a third-world connection (though it seems reasonable today).
4013. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:49:01 PM
anyone up for a pop quiz before Jones gets his thing started?
4014. CalGal - 1/29/2000 10:49:27 PM
Sure.
4015. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 10:50:09 PM
go for it, Deev
4016. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:51:47 PM
Okay.
To whom do the following nicknames refer (first and last names, please)? These are all jazz musicians, btw.
1. Bean
2. Little Jazz
3. Prez
4. Yardbird
5. Lady Day
4017. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 10:53:11 PM
Yardbird: Charlie Parker
4018. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:53:35 PM
Correct, Irv!
4019. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 10:53:49 PM
Lady Day: Billie Holiday
4020. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:54:36 PM
Go 'head with your bad self!
Irv has snagged 4 and 5. That leaves 1,2 and 3.
4021. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 10:55:07 PM
That is the extent of my knowledge for this quiz.
4022. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:55:24 PM
And bonus points, btw, if you can tell me the origin of the nickname.
4023. CalGal - 1/29/2000 10:55:28 PM
3. Lester Young
4024. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:56:25 PM
Good, Cal!
1 and 2 still open.
4025. CalGal - 1/29/2000 10:57:11 PM
Lester Young was President of the Tenor Saxophone
4026. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:57:35 PM
still watching the figure skating....that Tara Lipinksi is such a little dollbaby.
4027. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:58:28 PM
Good. Now who christened him?
4028. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 10:59:18 PM
Just for fun, I tried doing a search for the answers I didn't know. When entering "Bean" and "Jazz," I found the following websites (among others, including, I think, the answer):
• Cool sight of Mr. Bean, "Weird Al" Yankovic, Chicago Cubs and the Utah Jazz. Cool pictures and sound files!
• Chaz Air Jazz - vinyl inflatables animals, dinosaurs, insects, globes, beanie babies masks, halloween items, and balloon art.
4029. theDiva - 1/29/2000 10:59:25 PM
Hints on the remaining:
1. Played tenor saxophone
2. Played trumpet
4030. CalGal - 1/29/2000 10:59:33 PM
Is Bean Billie Bean, the jazz guitarist?
4031. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:00:10 PM
No.
4032. CalGal - 1/29/2000 11:01:12 PM
Okay, it must not be.
4033. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:02:46 PM
#2 is pretty tough, actually. He played in the Basie band, and it isn't Buck Clayton.
4034. CalGal - 1/29/2000 11:02:53 PM
Ha, crosspost.
Billie Holliday dubbed Lester Young.
I thought Charlie Parker got Yardbird because he'd been in jail?
4035. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:03:36 PM
No, they called him Yardbird because he loved chicken so much.
4036. CalGal - 1/29/2000 11:05:09 PM
No, wait! It was something to do with chicken. I forget what, though.
4037. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:05:31 PM
er....
4038. CalGal - 1/29/2000 11:05:44 PM
Shit. I should refresh. I remembered it right after I posted, but then Spawn had a question and I got distracted.
4039. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:06:33 PM
That's okay, we'll go easy on the flogging. This time.
4040. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:09:19 PM
Okay, time to start. We'll start with computers for $800:
Three-letter abbreviation for a packet-based alternative to TCP that provides for unreliable transmission.
4041. CalGal - 1/29/2000 11:09:23 PM
Okay, my dad just called and says that "Little Jazz" is a guy named Roy Eldridge.
4042. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:10:13 PM
Correct, Cal. So unless Irv wants to take a stab at #1....
4043. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:12:58 PM
I don't think I'm going to do very well in this computer category.
4044. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:13:18 PM
Beep-boop-boop....
1. Bean is Coleman Hawkins' nickname; christened thus by fellow musicians because he knew so much.
4045. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:13:37 PM
What is MIME?
4046. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:14:27 PM
"MIME" is a three-letter abbreviation?
4047. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:14:56 PM
picky, picky, picky
4048. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:15:39 PM
I'll call time in a minute. BTW, if you folks would prefer "Animal Kingdom" to "Finance," please let me know by selecting it. There's no point in going through the evening with a bunch of questions no one knows the answer to. When I discovered I had an extra category, I chopped animal kingdom because I wasn't sure I could ask good questions for that.
4049. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:17:10 PM
Well, I thought it was MIME but as Irv pointed out, there are four letter in it.
4050. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:17:31 PM
Yes, Animal Kingdom! Please!
4051. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:17:37 PM
And sometimes there are even four letters.....
4052. CalGal - 1/29/2000 11:17:41 PM
What is ATM?
4053. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:17:52 PM
Answer was UDP.
Diva, why don't you pick the next question since Rask isn't here?
4054. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:18:12 PM
Whichever youse want. I don't know jack anyway.
4055. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:18:37 PM
Oh, ok. Bible for $600.
4056. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:19:39 PM
Bible for $600
Generally regarded as Jesus's first miracle, it occurred at a wedding.
4057. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:20:08 PM
What was changing water to wine?
4058. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:21:34 PM
It was in Cana, right?
4059. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:21:41 PM
Diva is correct and retains control.
4060. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:22:21 PM
Whatever the last Bible question is.
4061. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:23:30 PM
Bible for $1000
Mark Twain used this Old Testament leader's apparent forced sacrifice of his daughter as one reason to condemn the Bible and its God.
4062. DanDillon - 1/29/2000 11:24:16 PM
Who is Herod?
4063. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:24:28 PM
gasp!
4064. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:25:01 PM
Herod was in the old testament? I'm learning a lot here!
4065. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:25:24 PM
Who was Lot?
4066. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:25:28 PM
Herod was in the old testament? I'm learning a lot here!
4066. DanDillon - 1/29/2000 11:25:28 PM
Hell, I dunno.
4067. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:25:48 PM
Herod is incorrect. This is a toughie. If Diva (who appears to be the resident Bible expert) doesn't know it, I'll call time.
4068. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:26:16 PM
Irv, were you trying to be clever?
4069. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:26:22 PM
cp, Jones. I am no expert, but all things are relative, I suppose.
4070. DanDillon - 1/29/2000 11:26:33 PM
Operative word being hell....
4071. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:26:45 PM
Irv? Try to be clever?
4072. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:27:17 PM
The answer was Japeth. Diva, please choose from $1000 world leaders, $1000 computers or anything in finance.
If you don't like finance, you can go with animal kingdom instead. (I don't think the finance questions are particularly hard, though.)
4073. DanDillon - 1/29/2000 11:27:48 PM
Is there a Grammar category? I'l take that for a million.
4074. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:28:01 PM
Dusty:
Read back in the thread to find out about my Bible knowledge.
And I don't have to try... I'm already clever.
4075. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:28:25 PM
Well, my question was predicated on Lot being the right answer
4076. DanDillon - 1/29/2000 11:28:32 PM
Spelling, otoh, is my (apparent) weakness.
4077. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:29:00 PM
Also, if anybody can figure out a way for Final Jeopardy to work, please let me know. I haven't been able to come up with anything.
4078. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:29:32 PM
Japheth as in Noah's son?
4079. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:29:47 PM
I can't help. I don't even know how it works on the TV game
4080. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:29:59 PM
Indy:
E-mail?
4081. DanDillon - 1/29/2000 11:30:55 PM
E-mail would work, albeit slowly.
4082. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:31:23 PM
E-mail is a good idea.
4083. DanDillon - 1/29/2000 11:31:27 PM
(Of course, I have shit to wager, so I'm not really a part of the discussion.)
4084. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:31:32 PM
Indy:
You could choose a question and the eligible participants and then give everyone about 10 minutes to send you an e-mail answer.
I say 10 minutes because my e-mail can be very slow.
4085. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:32:11 PM
I think Japeth is in the book of Judges (Another besides Shem, Ham, and Japeth.) He promised to sacrifice whatever met him on his return from battle if God would grant him victory. His daughter met him, and although the Bible isn't crystal clear, it appears she was sacrificed.
Some apologists claim that it "really" meant she had to become celibate. Twain didn't read it that way.
4086. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:32:47 PM
Has Diva picked a category?
Go with Animal Kingdom, Deev.
4087. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:33:51 PM
Oh, okay. You're thinking of Jephthah. Now we're on the same page.
4088. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:34:31 PM
You're right, Diva. That's it. Good thing no one guessed it :-)
4089. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:34:41 PM
I'll take Jazz Singers for $1000, Alex.
Um, never mind. I'll bow to peer pressure.
Animal Kingdom for $200.
4090. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:35:01 PM
Jones, you need a pinch.
4091. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:35:54 PM
Animal kingdom: $200
This mammal lays eggs, and its young "nurse" by lapping at its fur.
4092. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:36:24 PM
What is a platypus
4093. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:36:40 PM
what is a platypus?
4094. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:37:03 PM
dusty is correct for $200 and has control of the board.
4095. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:37:04 PM
um....what is a platypus?
4096. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:37:37 PM
arrrgh
4097. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:37:44 PM
Diva, that's what I said :)
animal next amount
4098. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:38:29 PM
Animals $400:
Because this animal eats mostly eucalyptus leaves, it has a very strong odor that belies its cuddly appearance.
4099. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:38:33 PM
hahaha!
4100. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:38:48 PM
what is a koala bear?
4101. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:38:52 PM
What is a koala bear?
4102. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:39:21 PM
4 seconds, that'll teach me to look for a pic of a platypus
4103. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:39:25 PM
what is a koala?
4104. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:39:26 PM
there's an echo in here.
4105. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:39:31 PM
Diva score $400 and regains control of the board.
4106. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:40:12 PM
Animal kingdom for $600.
4107. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:40:23 PM
technicality... they ain't bears!
and my connection has slowed down to a crawl again.
4108. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:40:55 PM
Well at least it levels the playing field.
4109. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:41:04 PM
Platypus 
4110. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:41:19 PM
Three of the four poisonous snakes indigenous to the U.S.
4111. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:41:57 PM
what are rattlesnake, copperhead, water moccasin
4112. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:42:11 PM
what are rattlesnakes, water mocasssins and coral snakes?
4113. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:42:20 PM
What are the cottonmouth, the copperhead, and the adder?
4114. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:42:21 PM
The other is the one with the stripes and no anti-venom
4115. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:42:40 PM
Just for variety.
4116. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:42:41 PM
shit, my connection is laready bad, and dusty throws in a picture.
4117. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:42:52 PM
yeah coral, why couldn't I think of it
4118. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:42:57 PM
getting
4119. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:43:16 PM
dusty scores $600 and gains control. (Irv named the other one.)
4120. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:43:25 PM
shit, my connection is laready bad, and dusty throws in a picture.
4121. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:43:37 PM
rid of
4122. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:43:46 PM
animals 800
4123. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:44:11 PM
I assume the pic has rolled off now, sorry
4124. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:44:20 PM
Animals for $800
The mammalian order characterized by a pair of gnawing incisor teeth in both the upper and lower jaws.
4125. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:44:33 PM
I assume the pic has rolled off now, sorry
4126. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:44:47 PM
I assume the pic has rolled off now, sorry
4127. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:45:36 PM
what are felines?
4128. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:45:38 PM
the stupid
4129. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:46:08 PM
felines is incorrect
4130. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:46:29 PM
picture.
Dusty, don't do that again... I missed an entire question.
4131. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:46:33 PM
balls.
4132. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:47:47 PM
Animals for $800
The mammalian order characterized by a pair of gnawing incisor teeth
in both the upper and lower jaws.
4133. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:47:55 PM
my connection has slowed down to a 2-minute page load.
arrgh.
I'm switching to another ISP. Be back...
4134. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:48:49 PM
Well, I know I'm not going to guess, but we should wait for Irv to come back
4135. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:49:19 PM
what are rodents?
4136. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:49:39 PM
And I've already blurted out the incorrect answer.
so now what do we do?
anyone want to play poker while we're waiting?
4137. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:49:41 PM
Okay...I'll wait a few before calling time.
4138. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:49:57 PM
this seems a little faster.
and the pic is gone to boot.
4139. CalGal - 1/29/2000 11:50:10 PM
What are gophers?
4140. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:50:12 PM
Rodents is correct for $800 and Irv has control.
4141. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:50:33 PM
Irv has roared back in, connection BLAZING!
4142. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:50:55 PM
World Leaders for $1000
4143. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:52:04 PM
World leaders $1000:
Westerners say he was born in the Soviet Far East, but his government maintains that he "came into the world on sacred Mound Piektu."
4144. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:52:59 PM
Let's just give the 1000 to irv and move on
4145. theDiva - 1/29/2000 11:53:46 PM
For real.
4146. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:54:46 PM
who is Kim in Sung?
4147. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:54:51 PM
il, not in
4148. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:54:58 PM
Should I call time, Irv?
4149. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:55:01 PM
il
4150. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:55:40 PM
I had to reconnect after my browser froze... trying a third (and last) ISP.
4151. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:56:36 PM
Sorry, Irv, it's Kim Jong Il. The present tense should have given it away.
4152. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:56:57 PM
shit, this one is even slower
4153. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:57:25 PM
assuming my answer was correct, animal kingdom for whatever is next.
4154. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:57:44 PM
Rats. Oh well.
4155. dusty - 1/29/2000 11:58:23 PM
I think rats was the answer to the last animal question.
4156. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:58:55 PM
The present tense wouldn't be a clue... if it was the elder Kim, the govt would still be maintaining the myth.
4157. Indiana Jones - 1/29/2000 11:59:16 PM
Irv, if you can provide a source to support your answer, I'll count it as correct because the tense can be read ambigiously.
4158. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/29/2000 11:59:31 PM
"Rats" fits both Kims as well.
4159. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:00:21 AM
No, Indy... it was a guess. I knew it had to be one of the Kims.
4160. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 12:00:39 AM
Okay, here's animal kingdom for $1000...
The classification above "species" in the generally accepted taxonomy of the natural kingdom.
4161. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:01:57 AM
what is genus?
4162. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:02:28 AM
I should have just said "Who is Kim?" for the WL question.
4163. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:02:32 AM
what is genus?
4164. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:02:52 AM
AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
4165. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 12:03:18 AM
Genus is correct. The last question:
Computers: $1000
Technical computer science term used to describe a problem proved to be "thoroughly" unsolvable by computers.
4166. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:03:29 AM
Irv's MoteVersion of a pokerface "gee, my connection is slow...."
4167. dusty - 1/30/2000 12:04:05 AM
What is Godel undecidable?
4168. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:04:35 AM
I'll pass on the computer question.
Unless, of course, someone gives a wrong answer which gives away the real one.
4169. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:05:09 AM
oh, just hush.
4170. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:06:06 AM
hey, I had a fast connection for a couple of minutes... it's back to slow again now.
4171. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:07:49 AM
Missing the Kim question killed me.
But there's always Final Jeopardy.
What are your thoughts on that, Indy?
4172. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 12:08:07 AM
dusty, that's not the term I was looking for, but that sounds in the right realm. I'll look into both your and Irv's answers (Kim Il Sung) to see if either can be counted correct.
The answer I was looking for was NP-complete.
4173. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:08:30 AM
And where do we stand?
4174. dusty - 1/30/2000 12:09:13 AM
well I was going to offer the alternative Godel incomplete, but I confess I don't know for sure.
4175. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:10:35 AM
I looked it up, Indy. Kim Il Sung was born near P'yöngyang. So it's wrong.
4176. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 12:11:29 AM
Okay, here's the Final Jeopardy category: art.
Everyone with a positive score has 24 hours to email me a wager. I'll in turn email you the question back. You can then email me the answer (again within 24 hours). I'll post the winner here after the 48 hours is up.
Of course everyone's on their honor not to use a reference book or search engine, etc.
I'll have the scores updated by tomorrow (noon ET), if you want to wait until then to place your wagers.
4177. dusty - 1/30/2000 12:11:37 AM
I'd also like to challenge your use of NP complete. I think those are problems that can be solved, but let's resolve it offline.
4178. dusty - 1/30/2000 12:12:44 AM
art? How did we get to art? What happened to finance?
4179. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 12:12:54 AM
Everybody thanks for playing. My Mote email is stinky_mcstink@yahoo.com.
4180. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:13:12 AM
Sounds good to me, Indy.
4181. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:13:40 AM
Thanks, Indy. Good questions.
4182. dusty - 1/30/2000 12:13:50 AM
Great job Indy, thanks
4183. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:14:09 AM
Indy:
That's a good way to do Final Jeopardy.
What e-mail address should we use? I want to test it first to see that my e-mail is working (it can be very screwy).
4184. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 12:14:20 AM
I'm pretty sure about NP-Complete, dusty. My finance questions are too easy for Final Jeopardy :-)
See everybody tomorrow. It's past my bedtime.
4185. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:15:09 AM
And thanks for a well-done and most enjoyable game, Indy.
4186. theDiva - 1/30/2000 12:16:59 AM
I'm outta here, too, Sweetie's home. Good night, guys, it's been fun!
4187. mintcar - 1/30/2000 1:24:50 AM
NP-complete problems are in NP and therefore can be solved by a deterministic turing machine in time that is exponential in the size of the representation of the problem*, so NP-complete problems can definitely be solved. It's just that they take an impractical amount of time.
Watching the game has been very entertaining.
*(See Lewis & Papadimitriou, "Elements of the Theory of Computation, Second Edition," pp. 296-297 for proof.)
4188. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 7:25:11 AM
mintcar:
Please join in next time around.
4189. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 10:16:31 AM
Following that exciting round of Jeopardy (and while we wait for Final Jeopardy), here's a very easy General Knowledge quiz...
General Knowledge Quiz
1. What does the word "knife" have in common with the word "debtor," apart from the letter "e"?
2. Who created the character, Mr. Micawber?
3. Hoe much of the light we get from the moon is reflected?
4. What's a cygnet?
5. Most of the standard terms of instruction on music are in what language?
6. What famous old tapestry tells about the Norman Conquest of England?
7. What physical feature was said to be the source of Samson's strength?
8. Give four words that end in "-mb."
9. Which is not a sign of the zodiac—Ares, Cancer, Libra, Virgo, Gemini?
10. In a right triangle, name the side opposite the right angle.
4190. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:32:14 AM
2. Charles Dickens
4191. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:32:32 AM
10. Hypotenuse?
4192. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:32:59 AM
9. Ares is not a sign--it's Aries.
4193. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:34:00 AM
3. All of it?
4194. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:34:16 AM
5. Italian
4195. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:34:34 AM
7. length of hair
4196. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:35:06 AM
4. swan
4197. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:36:35 AM
6. Arggghh, it begins with a b and it's French. Bastogne? Bayeux?
4198. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:37:17 AM
1. They both have a silent letter (k, b)
4199. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 10:37:24 AM
CalGal:
2. correct
3. correct
5. correct
7. Not the length... just the hair. But I'll give you credit for it.
9. Ares is another name for Mars
10. correct
4200. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:38:01 AM
8. dumb, lamb, bomb, comb
4201. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 10:38:37 AM
CalGal:
1. correct
4. More specific, please
6. Bayeux is correct
4202. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:38:38 AM
8. dumb, lamb, bomb, comb
4203. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 10:40:34 AM
8. Correct. There are many (though I don't recommend making it a quiz topic). Others include limb, crumb, numb, rhumb, climb, womb, etc.
4204. CalGal - 1/30/2000 10:42:25 AM
4. Oh, I always get cygnus and cygnet mixed up. Cygnet must be a baby swan.
4205. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 10:45:40 AM
Very good. And that's a wrap. I knew it was an easy quiz, but where is everyone else?
4206. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 11:18:32 AM
Another General Knowledge Quiz
1. Who was created Baron Verulam of Verulam, and then Viscount St. Albans?
2. Where was the original "Dixie land"?
3. Monel metal is basically an allow of (a) two-thirds what, and (b) one-third what?
4. The island of Labuan is off the Northwest coast of what much larger island?
5. "Salonika" (or "Salonica") is our abbreviated form of what?
4207. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 11:19:25 AM
There's a misunderstanding about what NP-complete means. Here's the definition:
"The class of problems for which answers can be checked for correctness by an algorithm whose run time is polynomial in the size of the input (it is NP) and no other NP problem is more than a polynomial factor harder. Informally, a problem is NP-complete if answers can be verified quickly and a quick algorithm to solve this problem can be used to solve all other NP problems quickly."
The important phrase is that "answers can be checked for correctness." That is, a computer can check a correct answer, but it is theoretically impossible for a computer to be programmed with an efficient algorithm for solving this class of problems.
Here's a better link for further clarification: "Any of a class of computational problems for which no efficient solution algorithm has been found."
The argument can be made that no problem is "unsolveable," i.e. how to get a computer to write like Shakespeare: just set it to typing random letters and eventually every work of Shakespeare will be produced. So the question of efficiency of algorithm is significant. Obviously, checking the solution is easier than solving the problem: look at the output and compare it to the (limited) domain of Shakespeare's works.
NP-Complete (as I understand it) are those problems that are "intractable" for computers: "Since no one has been able to find a fast algorithm for any NP complete problem, it is unlikely that all those problems had fast solutions and all those smart people just missed them. So, we assume that no NP complete problem is feasible."
4208. CalGal - 1/30/2000 11:22:10 AM
1. Francis Bacon
4209. lemwalker - 1/30/2000 11:26:55 AM
5. Thessaloniki
4210. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 11:27:34 AM
CalGal:
1. correct
4211. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 11:29:10 AM
Lem:
5. correct
4212. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 11:30:16 AM
A clue for #4... "Labuan" means "port" in Malay.
4213. CalGal - 1/30/2000 11:31:57 AM
2. I'm not sure what you mean by this--the song, "Dixie" was written by a northerner, but there isn't anything specific in the lyrics. Or do you mean Dixieland jazz, from New Orleans?
4214. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 11:37:36 AM
Based on this page, I think dusty's question was a correct response and am crediting him with the $1000. I'll be back with the updated scores in a moment.
4215. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 11:43:48 AM
CalGal:
Well before the song or jazz, there was a "Dixie land." Where was it?
4216. CalGal - 1/30/2000 11:49:31 AM
Oh! I know what you mean. Dixie was originally something to do with 10 in French, which means it must be Louisiana.
4217. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 11:55:10 AM
Excellent guess...
...but wrong.
4218. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 11:55:45 AM
Current standings
I'll email the Final Jeopardy answer to anyone who sends me their wager by midnight (ET) tonight. Your final question needs to be sent in by midnight tomorrow.
As a reminder, the final category is art, and email your wagers to stinky_mcstink@yahoo.com.
Good luck!
4219. PsychProf - 1/30/2000 11:58:26 AM
Dixie land...Chicago?
4220. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:09:48 PM
Sorry, PP, not Chicago.
CalGal was on the right track in that "Dixie" comes from "dix," however, it came from a proper name of a Dutch farmer. Where?
4221. dusty - 1/30/2000 12:10:26 PM
Dutch suggests PA
4222. PsychProf - 1/30/2000 12:14:07 PM
New York
4223. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:18:38 PM
Correct, PP. The original "Dixie land" was a farm in Manhattan, owned by Johaan Dixie. Only later did the term come to signify states south of the Mason-Dixon line.
Still remaining:
3. Monel metal is basically an allow of (a) two-thirds what, and (b) one-third what?
4. The island of Labuan is off the Northwest coast of what much larger island?
4224. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:21:39 PM
Dusty:
There aren't any Dutch settlements in PA, to my knowledge. The original Dutch immigrants settled in New York (they owned it then), and later in Michigan and Minnesota.
The term "Pennsylvania Dutch" refers to Germans, owing to a confusion of the terms "Dutch" and "Deutch." The English term "Dutch" itself is a result of such confusion, as Dutch people refer to themselves as "Hollander" or "Nederlander."
4225. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 12:22:51 PM
Indy:
Please let me know if my e-mail reaches you. I've been having considerable troubles with e-mail lately.
4226. PelleNilsson - 1/30/2000 3:48:34 PM
Irv
What is "monel"? What is "allow" (in this context)?
On the wild guess that you refer to "money alloy" I'd say copper and nickel.
4227. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 3:55:44 PM
Irv: I received and replied to your email.
4228. theDiva - 1/30/2000 9:26:41 PM
Indy
Check your yahoomail, please.
4229. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 9:42:34 PM
Diva, I have your email, too. I was going to send out the answer to everyone at the same time so all would have the same amount of time. But now that I think about it, this isn't something you really need 24 hours for. So I'll start sending out the answer now.
4230. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 9:50:04 PM
Also, to those who I haven't heard from, you have approximately two more hours to get your wagers in. Otherwise, I'll assume you're "standing pat."
Here are the current standings. Please send wagers to stinky_mcstink@yahoo.com.
4231. Indiana Jones - 1/30/2000 10:09:07 PM
I have sent out the final answer to all participants who emailed me, so if you don't get it and you wanted to play, please post here to let me know.
4232. DanDillon - 1/30/2000 10:13:44 PM
4. The island of Labuan is off the Northwest coast of what much larger island?
Borneo
4233. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/30/2000 11:04:15 PM
Pelle:
"Monel" is the correct word. "Allow" is indeed a typo for "alloy." It's a metal which does not rust, and is used for a number of purposes. You have the right two metals, but in the wrong order.
Dan:
Correct.
And that's a wrap on the quiz. Thanks for participating.
4234. cmboyce - 1/31/2000 1:47:18 AM
Irv: How did the name of Farmer Dixie's place get applied to the slave states?
Also, Indy, if it's not now too late, I've just emailed you my request to be included in Final Jeopardy. I was away for the weekend and just returned. (Of course, if it is too late, I'll spectate happily anyway.)
4235. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/31/2000 2:03:18 AM
cm:
Farmer Dixie's name didn't get applied to the south. The term "Dixie" for the south came from "Dixon" (as in "Mason-Dixon"). But farmer Dixie's estate was called "Dixie land" long before the south took the name.
4236. cmboyce - 1/31/2000 2:04:51 AM
Searching (unsuccessfully) for Farmer Dixie, I found that there were two (inconsequential) Dutch settlements in what is now Pennsylvania. One, about where Chester is today, was called Fort Cassimer. It was in or near New Sweden (I have only a map to go on; the book it's in is devoted to the Dutch in upstate and neither settlement is even in the index), but the Swedes in New Sweden were themselves somewhat few in number and doubtless had room to spare. The other Dutch place centered on a fort on Hoogh Island, in the Delaware R. upstream from Philadelphia, about where North Philly is now. The map shows settlement on both banks. There is a "Hawk Island" (Hoogh?) on my road atlas map of Penn., that is apparantly attached to the New Jersey shore, in about the right place. Anyway, they were apparantly of no consequence, just a bit of historical trivia.
4237. cmboyce - 1/31/2000 2:06:58 AM
Message # 4235
Irv, thanks. I guess I should have remembered about Dixon; I must have known that at some point.
4238. Indiana Jones - 1/31/2000 8:44:05 AM
Here's the final jeopardy question and answer (in white) for anyone who wants to try it. No one answered it correctly, so Raskolnikov (who declined the attempt) wins with a score of $5400.
Called by Browning the "faultless painter," this son "of an Italian tailor" has a painting ("Charity") in the Louvre and shares a room with Raphael in the Uffizi.
The direct clues are of course the painting and that he was from the same period as Raphael. The indirect clues are Browning, who wrote a poem about the painter, and "of an Italian tailor," which is the origin of the artist's name: Andrea del Sarto.
4239. Indiana Jones - 1/31/2000 8:45:20 AM
Thanks once again to everyone who played. I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed hosting.
4240. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/31/2000 8:51:19 AM
Thank you, Indy. We should do it again. I'll volunteer to host the next round so you can join in.
4241. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/31/2000 8:53:33 AM
Of course my categories will include "Asian History," "Obscure Languages," "Geography of Places You've Never Heard Of," etc.
4242. theDiva - 1/31/2000 9:03:32 AM
great.
4243. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/31/2000 9:21:19 AM
...and maybe "Jazz Legends" for you, Deev.
4244. theDiva - 1/31/2000 9:22:00 AM
Irv
I do love you.
4245. theDiva - 1/31/2000 10:22:37 AM
Pop quiz:
Name the Otto Preminger film that features a score by what jazz composer.
4246. T. Tallis - 1/31/2000 10:28:42 AM
Anatomy of a Murder, Duke Ellington
4247. theDiva - 1/31/2000 10:30:45 AM
Hot diggity!
You win a grape lollipop, TT.
4248. CalGal - 1/31/2000 10:41:20 AM
Indy,
Great game. Good idea.
4249. T. Tallis - 1/31/2000 10:43:36 AM
mmm...grape.
4250. Raskolnikov - 1/31/2000 11:35:33 AM
Thanks for the game, Indy. I didn't read The Mote over the weekend, so I didn't even know that Final Jeopardy was happening, although I doubt I would have wagered much on an Art category anyway.
4251. IrvingSnodgrass - 1/31/2000 11:38:29 AM
Congrats, Rask.
I wish I hadn't known about Final Jeopardy. I wagered everything, and ended up with $0. I don't know where I would've spent my money if I'd won anyway.
4252. PsychProf - 1/31/2000 11:44:29 AM
How about postage...
4253. Raskolnikov - 1/31/2000 12:48:39 PM
I have no end to ideas about where to expect the money. Indy, when can I expect the check?
4254. Indiana Jones - 1/31/2000 12:52:25 PM
Raskolnikov: I believe twas stipulated that the real prize here was being called Mote Jeopardy champion. Surely that's worth more than silver and gold...
4255. theDiva - 1/31/2000 12:59:37 PM
Sea monkeys would be a nice consolation prize. Or a set of chattering teeth.
4256. Raskolnikov - 1/31/2000 1:19:28 PM
"I believe twas stipulated that the real prize here was being called Mote Jeopardy champion. Surely that's worth more than silver and gold"
No, but 'twill certainly suffice.
Thanks again for hosting.
4258. cmboyce - 2/1/2000 12:35:21 PM
I'm sorry to have missed Final Jeopardy (I knew the answer, too! Damn!), but I'll join the general applause for Indiana's production.
Here's a quickie:
1.) Who introduced the use of the name "Gotham" for NYC, and what does it mean?
2.) What is paktong (one of several, similar, variant spellings)?
3.) Where was Zeugma? (nb: not "What was zeugma?")
4259. cmboyce - 2/2/2000 2:17:10 PM
Good Lord.
Is it dead? Have I ...?
I swear it was an accident! I didn't mean to do anything, I swear! I won't talk without a lawyer! I don't know what happened!!
4260. PelleNilsson - 2/2/2000 2:39:47 PM
cm
Apart from some of the regulars having been tied up with la petit affaire Cazart you need come up with something more basic for us simple-minded morons.
4261. CalGal - 2/2/2000 2:43:31 PM
The one that plagues me is Gotham. I feel like I should know it. The others are unknowns.
4262. PelleNilsson - 2/2/2000 2:57:29 PM
I too feel like that. Dick Tracy?
4263. SnowOwl - 2/2/2000 2:57:49 PM
I do know that Gotham was a legendary village of fools - how this is connected with NYC is not for a mere foreigner to say.
4264. PelleNilsson - 2/2/2000 2:58:03 PM
Or Batman?
4265. cmboyce - 2/2/2000 2:58:23 PM
Pelle, yes, I think you're right. It's a fucked up quiz. After thinking up the first half of the first, I checked my answer and got the second half. Then I decided to do a who/what/where/why/when quiz (but had to leave after three), and I drew it from ref. books. But yes, the last in particular (since I had not even known there was a place name Zeugma until I happened on it) is unfair, and I apologize. (Paktong I know, however, from experience, and I'd think there's at least one Motie, an antique dealer, who will also know.)
Anyway, fucking Zeugma is "... on the right bank of the Euphrates at its chief crossing, between Europus and Samosata. Twin colonies were founded by Seleucus I at this point, which came to be known by the generic name Seugma (‘junction’)… Originally in Commagene, Zeugma was added to the province of Syria in AD 58. As a frontier post and a meeting-place of trade-routes from East and West across the Parthian Empire, it became extremely prosperous. Justinian fortified it against the Sassanids, but in 639, it fell to the Arabs." (Oxford Classical Dictionary)
I'll let the other two, thusly clued, stand til tonight.
Cal, you're very close, I think, at least to the first half--you'll think of it, I think. And as for the second half, it's readable in the name: think Anglo-Saxon.
4266. Greystoke - 2/2/2000 7:57:39 PM
Before today, 02/02/2000, what was the last date in which every digit was an even number?
4267. SnowOwl - 2/2/2000 8:05:06 PM
2/2/800
4268. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/2/2000 8:10:40 PM
2/2/888
4269. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/2/2000 8:12:38 PM
8/28/888
4270. Greystoke - 2/2/2000 8:23:05 PM
Irv
8/28/888 Right-o.
4271. SnowOwl - 2/2/2000 8:42:48 PM
Now that will teach me to think first and type later. Well done, Irving.
4272. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/2/2000 9:27:28 PM
SnowOwl:
Well, at first you had me in a mind set with the "2/2"... until I actually thought about it.
4273. cmboyce - 2/3/2000 1:23:08 AM
Well, all right then. Popular clamor is such that I see I must reveal the secrets of my (ill-considered) quiz:
1. Washington Irving applied the name "Gotham" to NYC, and it means "Goat Town".
2. Paktong (on the other hand) is Chinese nickel silver, an alloy of copper, zinc and nickel. It looks like a pale, silvery brass, and is often employed as hardware on Chinese furniture.
Now aren't you glad you know that?
4274. CalGal - 2/3/2000 1:24:37 AM
Definitely the Irving mention--thanks!
4275. cmboyce - 2/3/2000 1:46:08 AM
Any time, Cal. (Irving, Irving, Irving, Irving...)
Arright there, Boyce, enough of this crapola.
OK, here's a real easy and I hope amusing quiz:
1. Name the Bobbsey Twins.
2. Name Dick and Jane's cat.
3. Name Franklin Roosevelt's dog.
4. Name Robert E. Lee's horse.
5. Name Lee Harvey Oswald's wife.
6. Name the only play in which John Wilkes Booth and his two brothers appeared.
7. What part was taken by the future assassin?
Except the last two, that is.
4276. CalGal - 2/3/2000 1:49:54 AM
1. Flossie (?), Freddie (?), Nan, Bert
4. Traveller
5. Marina
4277. CalGal - 2/3/2000 1:53:36 AM
6. I don't know if it's the only one, but I'm pretty sure I read they were all in Julius Caesar.
7. Marc Antony?
4278. cmboyce - 2/3/2000 2:00:25 AM
Bingo. Five in a row. And spelled the horse correctly.
Booth was regarded as exceptionally handsome, incidentally, which probably accounts for the casting. His brother Edwin, the only one of the three who was seriously acclaimed as an actor, played Brutus. JW was very well known for his portrayals of Richard III, a better prognosticator of his destiny, I guess.
4279. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:11:02 AM
2. Ha! it's PUFF!
4280. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:12:59 AM
It better be, anyway, because I'm really proud of remembering that.
3. I can't remember, but in case this spurs anyone's memory I'm nearly sure it was a terrier. I don't think it's a normal name, either. But that's as much as I remember.
4281. cmboyce - 2/3/2000 2:13:27 AM
Ha ha! Very good! I was sure whoever thought of it would have exactly your reaction.
So what's missing. FDR's dog.
(You know, Cal, you should probably have a handicap in these things.)
4282. cmboyce - 2/3/2000 2:15:00 AM
Yes. Not a normal name. But I don't think it was a terrier. I envision a small black cocker. But that could well be wrong--though I'm pretty sure small and black is right.
4283. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:18:46 AM
Handicap? God, no. I'm not nearly as wellread as most. I just read and remember the most amazingly random things from the most amazingly obscure pop sources. The first time I read about Robert E. Lee's horse was in a little science fiction novel by Connie Willis called "Lincoln's Dreams", can you believe it? Some 15 years ago, I think.
4284. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:19:48 AM
No, I can't remember the dog's name. Small and black sounds right.
4285. cmboyce - 2/3/2000 2:22:05 AM
A clue. A musical phrase (though not rendered as such in speech).
4286. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:28:59 AM
do re me type of phrase? or every good boy does fine?
4287. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:29:18 AM
Oh, I remember. Fala!
4288. cmboyce - 2/3/2000 2:30:53 AM
There ya go. A sweep.
I've got to get to bed. Goodnight. See you later.
4289. Stumbo - 2/3/2000 2:31:56 AM
Which GWB advisor's first name was derived from a musical term?
4290. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:46:28 AM
4291. CalGal - 2/3/2000 2:48:06 AM
Oh, sorry, Stumbo. I didn't see your question. And I don't immediately know the answer, either.
4292. PelleNilsson - 2/3/2000 2:57:32 AM
3. Turkey
4. Finland
5. I don't think there is such a country.
4293. PelleNilsson - 2/3/2000 2:59:35 AM
Wait, wait. Something makes its way up from the recesses of the mind.
5. New Zealand (or possibly Australia)
4294. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:02:10 AM
Pelle gets 3 and 4.
Yes, there is such a country.
4295. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:03:08 AM
New Zealand gave its women the franchise in 1893.
4296. PelleNilsson - 2/3/2000 3:03:52 AM
Check the post before yours.
4297. Stumbo - 2/3/2000 3:05:11 AM
CG:
No probs; mine was just a one-shot q, prompted by #4285.
1) Lady Astor (dunno first name).
4298. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:05:29 AM
I know. I saw it. I suppose I should have said, "Pelle answers 5 as well". I'm not good at this quiz stuff.
4299. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:06:46 AM
Stumbo gets #1, it's Nancy Astor. Apart from several eminently quotable lines and a fabulous exchange with Winston Churchill, what else is she known for that qualifies her for this quiz?
4300. PelleNilsson - 2/3/2000 3:08:35 AM
I believe lady Astor was a suffragette.
4301. Stumbo - 2/3/2000 3:09:14 AM
Lemme go out on a limb here.
She advocated for women's voting rights?
4302. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:12:43 AM
No. However, I just realized I left a question off the quiz that made the "theme" clearer--it's actually several "firsts" in women and politics.
I must be tired.
Ignore the "theme" question and leave it at this: what is Nancy Astor's major claim to fame?
4303. PelleNilsson - 2/3/2000 3:21:03 AM
Well, she most known for her quotability. Some are from parliamentary debates. Could she have been the first female MP? BTW, wasn't she from America?
4304. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:25:05 AM
Pelle,
Yes, she was the first female MP for Britain. And yes, she was American.
That leaves Frances Perkins. I would have asked about the first female Swedish politician, but I couldn't find any sources on it.
4305. SnowOwl - 2/3/2000 3:30:37 AM
I think Frances Perkins was your Secretary for Labour (under Roosevelt??), and she was influential in the development of social welfare, but I don't recall the details.
4306. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:35:23 AM
Yep. Snow finishes it off. Frances Perkins was the first female cabinet secretary in US history and it was indeed Labor. And yes, she was very influential in social reform. She was the chairman of the Committee on Economic Security, which wrote the report that was used to form Social Security.
4307. PelleNilsson - 2/3/2000 3:36:05 AM
Keeping to the "first" theme: was she then the first female minister in the US?
4308. PelleNilsson - 2/3/2000 3:36:46 AM
Cross-post
4309. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:38:40 AM
Good job, folks! Thanks for playing.
4310. SnowOwl - 2/3/2000 3:39:30 AM
Nice quiz, Cal. I'm sorry I didn't arrive until it was almost all answered.
4311. CalGal - 2/3/2000 3:46:43 AM
Well, I chose question 5 just for you and Candide!
Well, not just for you two. It's extremely impressive as well. How many countries have celebrated their hundredth anniversary of women getting the vote? Good work, New Zealand!
I was watching a PBS special on the women's suffrage movement in America (Anthony and Stanton are the US women of note) and while I didn't particularly care for the special, they ended it with interviews of American women who voted in the first election of 1920 and are still alive today, 79 years later.
The pride still glowed in their faces. It was very moving.
4312. SnowOwl - 2/3/2000 3:57:26 AM
Those were the days when we were a fairly socially progressive country. For a time we were known as the social laboratory of the world. I think we're still a bit of a laboratory, but now it's in the area of dismantling all of the existing social support structures rather than erecting new ones.
4313. Dusty - 2/3/2000 8:04:55 AM
Re Women's Suffrage.
Wyoming grated suffrage rights to women, in 1869, predating New Zealand. At that time, Wyoming was a territory, so not a state in the United States.
However, Wyoming became a state in 1890, the first state granting women's suffrage.
This is not to take anything away from New Zealand, which was the first self-governing nation to grant the right to vote to women in all elections, but the pioneering (so to speak) efforts in Wyoming should not go unnoticed.
4314. Dusty - 2/3/2000 8:29:36 AM
grated sb granted.
4315. Uzmakk - 2/3/2000 9:59:54 AM
And the question is--
To whom should Uzmakk send his 5 word print advertising sloca for approval? I hate to embark on an advertising campaign by myself.
4316. CalGal - 2/3/2000 11:13:58 AM
Uz,
I recommend Try the Mote and then mention it in a few threads (the Cafe, Suggestions, Language).
4317. CalGal - 2/3/2000 11:17:24 AM
Dusty,
You know, I was planning on checking out the suffrage years for the individual states last night, but Brittanica was down and I got tired. Thanks for that info.
4318. alistairconnor - 2/3/2000 6:42:09 PM
Quick Question (not really a Quiz, just a genuine question)
- Who is Black Rod, and what is his/her role?
(British Civilisation question)
4319. CalGal - 2/3/2000 7:18:40 PM
Black Rod is the guy who does all the procedural hollering for one of the British Houses--Lords is my first guess.
Somewhat akin to the guy who announces the President at the State of the Union speech, I think.
4320. Candide - 2/3/2000 7:23:43 PM
Alistair
Black Rod: in Britain an officer of the House of Lords (bye bye Black Rod) and of the Order of the Garter whose main duty is summoning the Commons at the opening and proroguing of Parliament.
You can see Black Rod when the Queen opens parliament. Very Gilbert and Sullivan and good for a laugh.
4321. Candide - 2/3/2000 7:25:14 PM
SnowOwl #4312
It's hard not to grieve. It was so hard to build and so worth building.
4322. Candide - 2/3/2000 7:26:01 PM
Dusty
Hats off to Wyoming.
4323. alistairconnor - 2/3/2000 8:49:07 PM
Yes, I thought it was parliamentary (though there was an outside chance he might have been a porn star).
The au pair had that question in her british civilisation assignment - she is also required to state her source and research methodology. I suggested that she could ask that question, and stuff much harder than that, and get quick answers here.
I don't know whether that would give her good marks for source and methodology however.
4324. CalGal - 2/3/2000 9:48:56 PM
Alistair,
I did a search on Google, Yahoo, and Alta Vista and found a few mentions, but nothing that would work for a source cite. Then I went "Duh!" and checked the Brittanica site:
in full GENTLEMAN USHER OF THE BLACK ROD, an office of the British House of Lords, instituted in 1350. Its holder is appointed by royal letters patent, and his title is derived from his staff of office, an ebony stick surmounted with a gold lion. He is a personal attendant of the sovereign in the upper house and there functions as a sergeant at arms; his most prominent duty is the summoning of the members of the House of Commons to the upper house to hear a speech from the throne or the royal assent given to bills. On such occasions the House of Commons closes its doors at the Black Rod's approach, whereupon he must knock three times before being admitted. The origin of this curious ceremony dates from the indignation of the lower house at the famous attempt of Charles I to arrest John Hampden, John Pym, and three other members of the House of Commons in 1642.
That ought to be respectable enough.
4325. CalGal - 2/3/2000 10:51:59 PM
Okay, new quiz. Name the link:
4326. sakonige - 2/3/2000 10:53:52 PM
movies
4327. CalGal - 2/3/2000 10:56:43 PM
That's true. But each set of names has a link.
4328. Stumbo - 2/4/2000 2:19:20 AM
Hint for #4289:
The area of advice is national security / foreign affairs. Gave very hawkish speech at 1992 GOP convention.
4329. EricCartman - 2/4/2000 2:27:37 AM
Stumbo:
Is it Condoleeza Rice (con dolce or something like that was the musical term)?
Cal:
#2 -- I believe Nolte and Howard have each played Thomas Jefferson. Has Waterston also played him in a movie?
4330. CalGal - 2/4/2000 2:30:40 AM
Cart,
No, he didn't play him in a movie, he voiced him in a Ken Burns documentary. But I tossed him in because, well, he's always playing Presidents and I figured the combo of him and Nolte would cue most people who didn't know 1776.
4331. Stumbo - 2/4/2000 2:30:56 AM
EC: correct (con dolcezza). Her mother was a pianist.
4332. DocBrown - 2/4/2000 11:07:38 AM
#1) All three played Abraham Lincoln in the movies.
4333. DocBrown - 2/4/2000 11:10:06 AM
3) I know O'Donnell and York both played D'Artagnan in Musketeers movies, so perhaps Kelly did also.
4334. Dantheman - 2/4/2000 11:11:00 AM
3 They all played d'Artagnon?
4335. Dantheman - 2/4/2000 11:11:24 AM
beat me, DocBrown
4336. CalGal - 2/4/2000 11:13:18 AM
Doc gets 1 and 3, leaving 4 and 5.
4337. DocBrown - 2/4/2000 11:21:19 AM
4) Long shot: Henry Fonda was in the movie The Cheyenne Social Club, James Garner was in the TV show Cheyenne, and Burt Lancaster played Jim Thorpe, who was part Native American.
Was Jim Thorpe from the Cheyenne Tribe? If so I think I found the link.
4338. JJBiener - 2/4/2000 11:26:43 AM
4. They all portrayed MacArthur
4339. CalGal - 2/4/2000 11:43:14 AM
No, the link in #4 is much more obvious than Injuns; they all played the same person. But not MacArthur.
I'll give you a hint: I could have added two more names to #4, but that would have made it too easy.
4340. Raskolnikov - 2/4/2000 12:06:36 PM
I attended the opening of Parliament back in 1990. Black Rod was one of the more memorable characters. He walks slowly and formally down the hall connecting the House of Commons with the House of Lords, until he reaches the Commons. He then lifts his big long stick, knocks three time slowly on the door, which then opens. He then calls out "Mr Speeeeeeeeeeeeaker!" in an impressive baritone, and leads the MPs to the House of Lords (since the Queen can't enter the House of Commons).
One of those weird ceremonial things which brings England's long, stable history into focus.
4341. Raskolnikov - 2/4/2000 12:08:05 PM
5: all were in versions of Les Liasons Dangereuseseseseseues
4342. Cazart - 2/4/2000 12:11:47 PM
Wyatt Earp. Christ.
4343. CalGal - 2/4/2000 12:13:05 PM
Rask got 5, Caz got 4. That wraps it up!
4344. Cazart - 2/4/2000 12:19:38 PM
Damn. Why don't you make the quizes challenging? <br> <br>Example: <br> <br>1) What famous author caused Vance Bourjaily to be evicted from his Manhattan apartment for vomiting in the stairwell? <br>2) What is Gore Vidal's given name? <br>3) What is a 'blue pigeon?' <br>4) Who was the only player to be named Super Bowl MVP from the losing team? <br>5)Name the only hockey player to be killed during a game.
4345. OhioSTOPAS - 2/4/2000 12:22:09 PM
4. Chuck Howley, Dallas Cowboys, 1971 Super Bowl
4346. OhioSTOPAS - 2/4/2000 12:22:40 PM
5. Eddie Shore?
4347. Cazart - 2/4/2000 12:25:20 PM
4 is keerect. 5 is inkeerect.
4348. CalGal - 2/4/2000 12:30:27 PM
2)Eugene Luther Vidal
4349. CalGal - 2/4/2000 12:37:25 PM
1) I'm going to guess Vonnegut
4350. Cazart - 2/4/2000 12:47:16 PM
2 is right, 1 is not.
4351. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/4/2000 1:07:21 PM
3. Blue Pigeon
This probably isn't what you're looking for, but it's worth a try.
4352. Dusty - 2/4/2000 1:14:29 PM
Blue-pigeon Flyer A man who steals the lead off of a house or church. “Bluey” is slang for lead, so called from its colour. To “pigeon” is to gull, cheat, or fub. Hence, blue-pigeon, one who cheats another of his lead, or fubs his lead. “Flyer,” of course, is one who flies off with the stolen lead.
4353. Dusty - 2/4/2000 1:16:45 PM
"The Blue Pigeon" is a cartoon targeted at 10- to 12- year-old children, and graphically depicts sexual intercourse between two children attending a children's picnic.
Purportedly created by UNICEF
4354. Cazart - 2/4/2000 1:41:43 PM
Negative on 3.
4355. Indiana Jones - 2/6/2000 5:34:41 PM
Dang. Now we'll never know the answers.
4356. theDiva - 2/8/2000 11:26:28 AM
Here's a riddle, courtesy of Gracie:
You're at home. You leave and make three lefts. Men in masks are waiting for you. Where are you?
4357. Dantheman - 2/8/2000 11:28:53 AM
Deev,
Between third base and home plate.
4358. theDiva - 2/8/2000 11:29:30 AM
Correct-a-mundo!
4359. KuligintheHooligan - 2/8/2000 12:17:53 PM
OK, I have another brain teaser. It is based on the same premise as the last one:
You have broken some law in the kingdom that demands the death penalty, but since the king gets a kick out of brain teasers, he gives you this one. If you can solve it you are set free.
He places you in a room where there are two closed doors. Behind one door is freedom, behind the other is a ferocious tiger that will rip you little body to shreads.
There are two computers in the room. One computer ALWAYS lies and the other computer ALWAYS tells the truth. Unfortunately, though, you don't know which is which.
You are allowed to ask one question of either of the computers. To be clearer, you can't ask each computer one question, just one question in TOTAL can be asked of either computer A or computer B.
The goal of course is to choose the door of life. Obviously, you can simply guess. It is after all a 50-50 shot. But using the computers you can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN which door is the door of life.
What one question do you ask of one of the computers?
And please, if you already know the answer to this one, allow others to take a stab or two at it first. Thanks.
4360. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/8/2000 12:23:14 PM
I've never heard this puzzle in quite this form, but I think I know the answer. I'll put it in white font so others can enjoy the puzzle:
Ask "What will the other computer tell me?" and then choose the opposite door.
4361. KuligintheHooligan - 2/8/2000 12:26:00 PM
Irv has the correct answer!
Others are of course free to wrestle with this one if they like.
4362. CalGal - 2/8/2000 12:27:36 PM
I'll hide my guess, so other people can try it too:
What door will the other computer tell me to take?
4363. KuligintheHooligan - 2/8/2000 12:33:19 PM
CalGal, you need to be a little more specific as to what you would then do.
4364. Dusty - 2/8/2000 12:39:10 PM
Serious answer:
Ask Computer A what Computer B would answer if I were to ask which is the freedom door. If the compuer answers door 1, chose Door 2. If the computer answers Door 2, choose door 1.
Why? Assume that the freedom door is door 1. Then if computer B is the lying computer, it would answer Door 2. Computer A will truthfully report Door 2. However, if Computer B is the truth-telling computer, it would answer Door 1, and Computer A would lie, reporting that the answer is door 2. So in either case, an asnwer of door 2 means the freedom door is door 1.
4365. Dusty - 2/8/2000 12:45:38 PM
Not so serious answer:
Turing has proved that it is impossible to program a computer that can ALWAYS tell the truth (equivalently, always lie). Either the king is lying about the computer, in which case it doesn't matter which door you choose, or the king is lying about the tiger, and it really doesn't matter which door you choose. In either event, scoff at the computer and march self-assuredly through either door.
4366. Dusty - 2/8/2000 12:46:44 PM
KuligintheHooligan
BTW, congrats on the SOA exam results. Very impressive.
4367. CalGal - 2/8/2000 12:59:52 PM
Kuligin,
Oh, I thought it was obvious. Sorry.
Both computers answer the question by pointing to the wrong door. So you take the other door.
4368. SnowOwl - 2/8/2000 2:32:49 PM
Ask the computer which door the other computer will tell you to choose, then take the other door.
4369. KuligintheHooligan - 2/8/2000 4:42:54 PM
Congratulations to Irv, CalGal, dusty, and SnowOwl for getting the correct answer! I also liked dusty's "not so serious" response as well.
I love this white font business!!
4370. Indiana Jones - 2/8/2000 5:51:08 PM
In the spirit of Dusty's "not so serious answer" and many Star Trek episodes:
Ask the computer, whether the following statement is true:
This statement is false.
Then watch as the computer starts to issue smoke and slowly self destruct. Just as it's about to explode, open the door (hopefully inward) and get behind it, allowing the ensuing inferno to engulf the tiger as it rushes into the room.
At least that's what Indiana Jones (or Capt. Kirk or James Bond) would do.
4371. Angel-Five - 2/8/2000 11:35:17 PM
Series Teasers
(the following questions will be a series of data that are related by a common thread, your job is to guess the pattern and then fill in the blank appropriately. For example, if the series would be J, F, M, A, M, J, ______ , A, S, O, N, D, the series would be the first letter in each month's name and the correct answer would be J for July.)
1)W, A, J, M, M, A, J, ______, H......
2)-2, -1, 1, 5, _____, 29, 61....
3)F, S, T, _____, F, S....
4)A, L, S, K, D, _____, F, H..... (cheesy but absolutely everyone should be able to get this)
5) 13, 17, 19, _____, 27, 29, 31, 37....
6)O, T, ______, T, T, F, H,
7)0, 2, 6, 12, _____, 30, 42, 56...
8)M, V, E, _____, J, S, U.....
9)O, T, T, F, _____, S, S, E, N, T....
10)3, ______, 4, 1, 5, 9
4372. Angel-Five - 2/8/2000 11:36:16 PM
6 has a little bit of a trick in it, I meant to add.
4373. CalGal - 2/8/2000 11:37:27 PM
5) 23
4374. CalGal - 2/8/2000 11:38:14 PM
7) 20
4375. Angel-Five - 2/8/2000 11:42:31 PM
Yes to both. I meant to add that if you feel like it you can give the pattern in white font beneath your answer, or if you like you can give everything in white font but since the trick for most is to figure the pattern seeing the answer won't necessarily spoil it for others.
4376. CalGal - 2/8/2000 11:44:53 PM
Patterns in spoiler font
5 primes
7 increment by even numbers
4377. CalGal - 2/8/2000 11:47:43 PM
Ack. Duh.
9) F/Spoiler: first letters of numbers starting with one
4378. Angel-Five - 2/8/2000 11:48:40 PM
Spoiler for number 7 addendum:
Wow, that works too! The pattern I had in mind was x2 -x.
4379. CalGal - 2/8/2000 11:50:19 PM
3) F/Spoiler: first letter of ordinals? is that the right term? first, second, third
4380. Angel-Five - 2/8/2000 11:50:34 PM
Yes to 9.
4381. Angel-Five - 2/8/2000 11:51:03 PM
Yes, that is the right term.
4382. CalGal - 2/8/2000 11:55:30 PM
Spoiler on 7: you know, that struck me as too easy. Makes sense you had a harder pattern in mind.
4383. CalGal - 2/8/2000 11:58:42 PM
2) 13/Spoiler: increment by whatever the hell you call this sequence--1,2,4,8,16,32
4384. SpenceMirrlees - 2/9/2000 12:05:58 AM
2) 13
10) 1
4385. SpenceMirrlees - 2/9/2000 12:07:38 AM
whoops, didn't see Cal's.
10) first 6 digits of pi
4386. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 12:11:15 AM
Right on 2, Right on 10.
Spoiler 2: That will work. The equation for getting the exact numbers is 2x -3 and the exact term is whatever you want, though the term I use is 'powers of two'.
4387. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 12:12:33 AM
1, 4, 6, and 8 left.
4388. SpenceMirrlees - 2/9/2000 12:13:41 AM
8) M, spoiler: Mars -- list of planets
4389. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 12:14:40 AM
Yes to 8.
4390. CalGal - 2/9/2000 12:23:09 AM
God damn. I can't believe I missed it.
1. vB/SpoilerFirst initial of Presidential last names
4391. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/9/2000 12:23:16 AM
1) VB (Presidents)
4392. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/9/2000 12:24:08 AM
Interesting crosspost. I just saw the quiz and that one jumped out at me.
4393. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 12:26:06 AM
1 is correct. 4) , which once again everyone should be able to answer, and 6), which is admittedly a little tricky, remain.
4394. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 12:26:58 AM
They've gone in pretty much the order I expected, except I figured that 1 would go more quickly than it did.
4395. SpenceMirrlees - 2/9/2000 12:28:13 AM
guess on 6: T
but the series isn't long enough to make it very compelling
4396. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/9/2000 12:29:02 AM
My connection is too slow to page back... it's taking 5 minutes to load a page. If you can repost the ones still up for grabs, I'd appreciate it.
4397. SpenceMirrlees - 2/9/2000 12:31:32 AM
for Irv...
4)A, L, S, K, D, _____, F, H..... (cheesy but absolutely everyone should be able to get this)
6)O, T, ______, T, T, F, H,
4398. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 12:32:31 AM
4 and 6 still up for grabs, Oiving.
4)A, L, S, K, D, _____, F, H.....
6)O, T, ______, T, T, F, H,
4399. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 12:33:03 AM
Crossposting is worse than waiting five minutes for a page to load!
4400. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 3:53:25 AM
A hint for 6) -- The second entry is the tricky one. It's one that commonly wouldn't be grouped in the series the way most people would first draw it up, though it's correct for what I have in mind. In other words, you can drop the second entry and have a simplified version of the series.
4401. Indiana Jones - 2/9/2000 8:45:44 AM
4. J--home keys alternating back and forth with left and right hand on the keyboard
4402. stostosto - 2/9/2000 9:03:54 AM
Pentangeli
Isn't it erroneuous to include 27 in your 5) series?
4403. Dusty - 2/9/2000 10:45:46 AM
Sto3
I think so.
4404. Dusty - 2/9/2000 10:58:56 AM
4405. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 1:59:53 PM
Yes, 27 is indeed an error. Would you believe I looked at that three times before I posted it? I guess I was tired.
4) is correct.
4406. Dusty - 2/9/2000 2:06:15 PM
6 is bugging me.
I look at it and think ~Once, Twice, Three Times a Lady~, but it doesn't fit. And I can't get the damn song out of my head.
4407. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 2:10:13 PM
Second hint for number 6 is a closely related series:
P, N, ____, Q, H, D
4408. Dusty - 2/9/2000 2:20:32 PM
Angel-Five
Unbeleivable.
As I was workign on your puzzle, I thoguht of options that are not on your list. I saved them, and palnned to ask them later. The ninth one on my list is P, N, D , H, _
6. F
4409. Dusty - 2/9/2000 2:22:01 PM
And now for the version in English:
Unbelievable.
As I was working on your puzzle, I thought of options that are not on your list. I saved them, and planned to ask them later. The ninth one on my list is P, N, D , H, _
6. F
4410. Angel-Five - 2/9/2000 2:36:54 PM
Exactly.
That wraps up the quiz. Spoiler for 6: US Currency denominations, One, (Two), Five, Ten, Twenty, Fifty, Hundred...
4411. Dusty - 2/9/2000 3:49:08 PM
Here's another quiz. As a twist, I have added a hint for each one. In each case, the hint is the name of someone who posts here (one exception, but still well-known). I'm a little shaky on #8, because I don't know enough about the subject matter. I don't think many will be difficult, but if any are missed, I'll extend the sequence.
4412. Indiana Jones - 2/9/2000 3:50:31 PM
1. Do ra me fa so la
4413. Dusty - 2/9/2000 3:52:58 PM
yes on 1.
4414. Dantheman - 2/9/2000 3:54:27 PM
4 is 5 Number of letters in word of that number
4415. Dusty - 2/9/2000 3:56:37 PM
White font answers makes it so others can still play.
4416. DocBrown - 2/9/2000 4:32:17 PM
9) Ans: Oh Say, can you see by the . . .
4417. Raskolnikov - 2/9/2000 4:43:23 PM
how do you do white font?
4418. Indiana Jones - 2/9/2000 4:44:53 PM
Rask:
<font color=white>text</font>
4419. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 5:51:53 PM
2 is M; "Oh Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me Now"
4420. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 5:56:35 PM
#8 sure looks like 3. But if so (and even if not) I sure don't understand the hint. 4421. CalGal - 2/9/2000 5:57:20 PM Indy, I keep on forgetting that I can do that. And I'm lazy. 4422. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 5:58:55 PM 4423. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 5:59:39 PM Did I get it? 4424. Raskolnikov - 2/9/2000 6:00:15 PM 3: 4425. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:00:24 PM Yes. Very sorry. A most unpropitious time to make that mistake. 4426. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:04:02 PM Having knocked out Cal's post, it seems unchivalrous to ask her to explain that bit about the ampersand, but I don't get it. Cal? 4427. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:06:33 PM I see that I should add to my answer for #2: Mnemonic for either types of star or cranial nerves. (I forget which!) 4428. CalGal - 2/9/2000 6:07:55 PM
Btw, in the illustrated hypertext, there should be quotation marks around the word "white", after the equal sign and before the right angle bracket (with no spaces).
<font color=white>text</font>
"& lt; remove the space after ampersand, like this: <
Did we cover that in Try the Mote yet?
R - books of the bible
6:
V - letters on a telephone
4429. CalGal - 2/9/2000 6:08:04 PM
4430. Dusty - 2/9/2000 6:21:57 PM
Doc is right on #9
cmboyce is correct on #2 (although if someone looks at his answer,they might not understand what the letters mean—his later post has the right answer, not cranial nerves)
Rask is right on #3 and # 6, although some might not even see his posts.
cmboyce is wrong 0n #8
4431. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:23:29 PM
Cal? Cal? Have I whited you out forever? Come back!
4432. Dusty - 2/9/2000 6:27:23 PM
Status
Answered 1,2,3,6,9
Open 4,5,7,8,10
4433. Dusty - 2/9/2000 6:30:38 PM
cmboyce
BTW, quotes around white are not needed. I read once that it is good practice to put them in, because XML is going to be pickier about syntax, but I can't verify that one way or another.
4434. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:30:41 PM
I can see a sensible pattern to the numbers in ## 4 & 8, but if I'm right, I don't see how I could know what's next, without--uh... local knowledge.
4435. Dusty - 2/9/2000 6:38:35 PM
cmboyce
If you want to demonstrate a particular HTML command, it can be problematic if you want to show the result. One way is to insert spaces, so it doesn't "execute", but this means you need to say things like:
Type < font color="white">text< /font> but remove the extra spaces.
Alternatively, instead of typing in the character < you can type an & followed by lt (think "less than" or & followed by gt (think "greater than") and it will display as the right character, but not get executed as HTML.
Then I can say:
Type <font color="white">text</font>
and it looks exactly like what you want them to type, but it doesn't get "executed".
4436. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:38:51 PM
I can't seem to refresh this page, and my Home Page hasn't changed in well over an hour (including no posts here since 4417. I hope posting will at least get me past whatever has come since my last.
4437. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:42:15 PM
Ah! Thank you, Dusty. I see it.
4438. Dusty - 2/9/2000 6:47:12 PM
cmboyce
#4 doesn't require any local knowledge beyond English at a third grade level.
#8 requires some knowledge that I didn't have until I looked it up.
#4, with two additional values (in white) 3,3,5,4,4,3,5, _,4,3,...
#8, with five additional values (in white)4,5,4,4,3,5,3,_,4,4,4,3,4
4439. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:56:43 PM
Hmm. Test.
4440. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 6:58:51 PM
My machine's screwing up here--and I'm baffled--so I'll be absent a spell, though I'd like to buckle down and 4441. cmboyce - 2/9/2000 7:00:03 PM That's nail 'em. 4442. Indiana Jones - 2/9/2000 7:07:50 PM Dusty: I thought 4 had been answered: 4443. Dusty - 2/9/2000 7:11:11 PM Indiana 4444. Angel-Five - 2/10/2000 1:08:20 AM I missed this quiz. 4445. Angel-Five - 2/10/2000 1:24:37 AM I've guessed what 8 must be but can't find a match. 4446. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/10/2000 2:19:00 AM Thanks, A5. Just the clue I needed. Well, more than a clue, actually. Hey! What happened? 4448. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/10/2000 2:23:55 AM 4449. Angel-Five - 2/10/2000 2:26:48 AM Oh, sure, do it the easy way. 4463. Dusty - 2/10/2000 9:44:01 AM Irv, you are right, although it wouldn't have occurred to me that you could answer it that way. I was thinking of a specific location, in the news recently. 4464. Dusty - 2/10/2000 9:47:10 AM Irv, in 4447, you tried to close a font tag with a right parenthesis. 4465. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/10/2000 9:52:06 AM Dusty: 4466. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/10/2000 9:55:35 AM Dusty: 4467. Dusty - 2/10/2000 10:28:59 AM Irv 4468. Angel-Five - 2/11/2000 6:24:06 AM 5): W for Waite, series is Chief Justices 4469. Dusty - 2/11/2000 7:40:22 AM Yes, Angel-five gets #5 4470. DocBrown - 2/11/2000 1:42:47 PM I am not sure what the cryptic hint means. They're primes, obviously, skipping 11, 23, and 29. 4471. Dusty - 2/11/2000 2:41:41 PM It's been years since I did any rock climbing. I did a 5.8 at the Gunks, but it was a freak occurrence. I realize that isn't much of an accomplishment today, but I did it in 1973 in RR's. Stiff-soled, this was before today's soft-soled boots with sticky soles were invented. 4472. Dusty - 2/11/2000 2:41:56 PM Oops, sorry 4473. ChristinO - 2/11/2000 2:53:46 PM Dusty, 4474. Uzmakk - 2/11/2000 3:40:57 PM In what book was the idea of the" molecular transporter"i.e., Beam me up, Scotty! first seriously introduced. 4475. Indiana Jones - 2/12/2000 8:21:13 PM Uzmakk, I'll take a stab at this since no one else has. What do you mean by "seriously" introduced? Do you mean as non-science fiction? 4476. theDiva - 2/12/2000 8:23:51 PM heeeeeelllllllpppppp meeeeeeeeee........ 4477. Indiana Jones - 2/12/2000 9:54:10 PM Diva: It would sure do me good, to do you some good. 4478. Angel-Five - 2/12/2000 10:44:08 PM I am well, truly, and officially stumped by number 7, so I'm going to throw it open. It's obviously a prime number series where key primes are missing. Either the missing primes are removed according to a mathematical relation or equation, or they are removed according to some significance each number has (or some significance that all the included numbers have but the removed ones do not). If there's an equation, I'm missing it. And if there's a significance to the removed numbers, it's escaping me. Early on I did what Docbrown did but decided that 37 couldn't be the answer because it's the next obvious prime, and since Dusty in another question where the next answer was obvious but the reason was not demanded a reason to accompany the answer -- and he didn't here -- I guessed that 37 couldn't be it. Maybe it's 41, but I don't know why that would be. 4479. Angel-Five - 2/12/2000 10:45:20 PM And the hint might as well be Greek to me. 4480. PelleNilsson - 2/13/2000 4:11:34 AM What are these places in Africa called now? 4481. SnowOwl - 2/13/2000 4:24:05 AM 1. Botswana 4482. EricCartman - 2/13/2000 4:24:42 AM 1. Botswana? 4483. EricCartman - 2/13/2000 4:25:27 AM 6. Maputo? 4484. PelleNilsson - 2/13/2000 4:28:59 AM 1. Botswana (SnowOwl, by half a minute) 4485. EricCartman - 2/13/2000 4:32:17 AM Then 7 must be Zambia, yes? Which would make 8 Malawi then. 4486. PelleNilsson - 2/13/2000 5:22:39 AM Right on 7 and 8 4487. SnowOwl - 2/13/2000 5:31:48 AM Damn, my server goes down and Eric sneaks in with all the answers. 4488. SnowOwl - 2/13/2000 5:35:49 AM I suppose 10 should be Harare. 4489. SnowOwl - 2/13/2000 5:41:23 AM I kow where East London is, but I haven't a clue of its new name. I didn't even know it had one. 4490. PelleNilsson - 2/13/2000 6:04:50 AM 9 and 10 to SnowOwl 4491. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/13/2000 7:23:01 AM How come I miss all the Geography quizzes? I have no idea where Blantyre is/was. 4492. PelleNilsson - 2/13/2000 8:18:15 AM It's a pity Irv. I had hoped you'd be around. Been playing golf? 4493. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/13/2000 8:32:03 AM No, Pelle, I was just spending some family time on a Sunday afternoon. 4494. PelleNilsson - 2/13/2000 12:12:29 PM Blantyre turns out to be a trick question too, to my own surprise. It was formerly the capital of Malawi, but that honour has been transferred to Lilongwe. I honestly thought that Lilongwe = Blantyre. Also the sun has its spots. 4495. dusty - 2/13/2000 12:46:07 PM Angel-Five 4496. cmboyce - 2/13/2000 1:21:19 PM Um... Dusty, I'm afraid that I am not mathematically knowledgeable enough to make more of your answer than of your question. Could you elaborate for an innumerate? 4497. Uzmakk - 2/13/2000 5:05:37 PM 4475IndianaJones: 4498. dusty - 2/13/2000 7:34:03 PM cmboyce 4499. cmboyce - 2/14/2000 10:17:11 AM So the next number in the series is 127? 4500. Dusty - 2/14/2000 10:22:01 AM So the next number in the series is 127? 4501. Dusty - 2/14/2000 10:30:47 AM Here is an excerpt, helping explain the interest in Mersenne primes. 4502. cmboyce - 2/14/2000 10:34:50 AM ?? 4503. cmboyce - 2/14/2000 10:37:24 AM Message # 4501 4504. PelleNilsson - 2/14/2000 10:42:47 AM 767 4505. cmboyce - 2/14/2000 10:47:45 AM Thanks, Pelle. In fact, thanks2. CMB. 4506. Dusty - 2/14/2000 11:09:42 AM cmboyce 4507. cmboyce - 2/14/2000 11:16:53 AM Dusty, 4508. cmboyce - 2/14/2000 11:18:26 AM Rereading, I see that you said that in 4495. I didn't read carefully enough. Sorry 'bout that. 4509. AytchMan - 2/16/2000 3:17:32 AM Hi-- 4510. AytchMan - 2/16/2000 3:26:40 AM Correction to above puzzle: both 'R' names are Robertson, not Robinson. They just need to be the same. Sorry. 4511. AytchMan - 2/16/2000 3:31:14 AM In case someone wants to print it out, the corrected puzzle: 4512. AytchMan - 2/16/2000 3:37:14 AM In case someone wants to print it out, the corrected puzzle: 4513. AytchMan - 2/16/2000 3:44:17 AM In case someone wants to print it out, the corrected puzzle: 4514. CalGal - 2/16/2000 3:55:20 AM You probably hit Refresh, didn't you? It's a "feature". Alistair says so. If you want to refresh, hit the video button. 4515. Angel-Five - 2/16/2000 4:30:52 AM The answer is Stein. 4516. Angel-Five - 2/16/2000 4:38:09 AM (Spoiler)= The navigator lives EXACTLY between Chicago and Detroit, so therefore his closest neighbor cannot be either Mister Robertson (who lives in Detroit) or the executive who lives in Chicago and has the navigator's name. That has to be either Gregg or Stein. So one or the other is the closest neighbor. 4517. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/16/2000 6:38:34 AM I got the same answer as A5, with the same reasoning. 4518. Uzmakk - 2/16/2000 8:07:09 AM The answer to Message # 4474is The Human Use of Human Beings, 1950 by Norbert Weiner, as far as I know. 4519. Angel-Five - 2/16/2000 9:53:24 AM We could always post the Seven Bridges of Koningsberg... 4520. Dusty - 2/16/2000 10:14:46 AM Too easy 4521. PelleNilsson - 2/16/2000 10:24:45 AM Or ask how many 'n' there should be in that city. 4522. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 8:11:12 PM This quiz is from the Official Scrabble Quiz Game Book. Where the question is followed by a number in parentheses, it is the number of letters in the correct answer. These are all from the exercise called "Space." 4523. CalGal - 2/16/2000 8:11:57 PM 7) Cancerian 4524. CalGal - 2/16/2000 8:13:48 PM 1. Jupiter has some 16 satellites 4525. AceofSpades - 2/16/2000 8:14:10 PM 4526. CalGal - 2/16/2000 8:14:11 PM 2. Calisto? Calista? Something like that. 4527. CalGal - 2/16/2000 8:15:56 PM 8. She's Russian, her name is Valentina something. 4528. AceofSpades - 2/16/2000 8:16:56 PM 4529. AceofSpades - 2/16/2000 8:17:09 PM 4530. AceofSpades - 2/16/2000 8:18:32 PM 4531. CalGal - 2/16/2000 8:19:55 PM 3. Uranus has 15 satellites at least; I believe they've discovered some more recently. 4532. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 8:32:59 PM CalGal 4533. CalGal - 2/16/2000 8:34:26 PM It is definitely Valentine or Valentina, and the last name is Teres-something. She is Russian, and it was sometime in 63 or 64. 4534. AceofSpades - 2/16/2000 8:36:51 PM 4535. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 8:38:13 PM CalGal and Ace 4536. AceofSpades - 2/16/2000 8:38:43 PM 4537. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 8:40:37 PM CalGal 4538. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 8:43:43 PM Ace 4539. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 8:46:13 PM Ace 4540. AceofSpades - 2/16/2000 8:52:43 PM 4541. CalGal - 2/16/2000 9:13:23 PM Prof, 4542. CalGal - 2/16/2000 9:14:26 PM Ace, 4543. dusty - 2/16/2000 9:21:00 PM Answer: Stein 4544. dusty - 2/16/2000 9:24:36 PM Hell, Jupiter has a ring. So there are millions of particles orbiting Jupiter. Not sure what the convention is for calling somethin a satellite. 4545. Angel-Five - 2/16/2000 10:07:41 PM Tereshkova. 4546. CalGal - 2/16/2000 10:09:04 PM That's it! 4547. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 11:09:03 PM A-lima and CalGal 4548. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 11:15:07 PM The only remaining question is #6 : a bright double star in the constellation Orion. Five letters starting with R. 4549. Angel-Five - 2/16/2000 11:21:30 PM Rigel. 4550. profemeritus - 2/16/2000 11:53:48 PM A-lima 4551. AytchMan - 2/17/2000 12:46:43 AM Angel-Five and Irv-- 4552. AytchMan - 2/17/2000 1:04:38 AM CalGal et al: 4553. CalGal - 2/17/2000 1:12:30 AM Actually, I think it's the VCR button, or something. 4554. Angel-Five - 2/17/2000 1:21:51 AM Aytchman: MY father loved those puzzles; I've been doing them since I was very, very young, and my brother and I would compete to see who could solve them first. That one only took a few minutes. I couldn't say for sure how many. 4555. AytchMan - 2/17/2000 1:31:03 AM CalGal-- 4556. Dusty - 2/17/2000 10:10:19 AM Moties 4557. Dusty - 2/17/2000 10:14:22 AM More Moties 4558. Dantheman - 2/17/2000 10:54:46 AM dusty, 4559. Raskolnikov - 2/17/2000 11:00:30 AM "I remember that Uranus satellites are all Shakespeare characters. " 4560. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/17/2000 11:14:01 AM AytchMan: 4561. ProfEmeritus - 2/17/2000 7:26:58 PM More on the space quiz. Numbers in parentheses indicate number of letters in the correct answer. 4562. SnowOwl - 2/17/2000 7:35:38 PM 1. Crux 4563. ProfEmeritus - 2/17/2000 7:41:05 PM SnowOwl 4564. ProfEmeritus - 2/17/2000 7:42:11 PM SnowOwl 4565. dusty - 2/17/2000 7:42:37 PM 3. Pleiades? 4566. dusty - 2/17/2000 7:43:26 PM 4. Caspar or Pollux? 4567. ProfEmeritus - 2/17/2000 7:44:14 PM Dusty 4568. dusty - 2/17/2000 7:55:10 PM Arggh. I can't believe I typed "caspar". I won't bore you with what error I was trying to avoid. 4569. ProfEmeritus - 2/17/2000 8:00:31 PM Dusty 4570. AytchMan - 2/18/2000 3:10:01 AM Okay Kids-- 4571. AytchMan - 2/18/2000 3:12:06 AM European Trip Puzzle Part 2. 4572. AytchMan - 2/18/2000 3:13:37 AM European Trip Puzzle Part 3. 4573. Angel-Five - 2/18/2000 4:33:20 AM Well, fuck me. 4574. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/18/2000 11:53:54 AM AytchMan: 4575. AytchMan - 2/19/2000 12:16:40 AM A hip-shooter: 4576. AceofSpades - 2/19/2000 1:04:48 AM 4577. SnowOwl - 2/19/2000 2:01:06 AM Off the top of my head, no. 4578. Indiana Jones - 2/19/2000 11:13:17 AM Here's a quick brainteaser knowns as the Monk's puzzle. If you've heard it before, yada-yada-yada. 4579. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/19/2000 11:29:42 AM Indy: 4580. Indiana Jones - 2/19/2000 11:32:30 AM Correct, of course, Irv. 4581. CalGal - 2/19/2000 11:39:19 AM Indy, 4582. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/19/2000 11:40:01 AM Well, except for the typo. 4583. Indiana Jones - 2/19/2000 11:41:06 AM CalGal: But is he there at the same time? 4584. Indiana Jones - 2/19/2000 11:42:12 AM I have to sign off, but if anyone wants to check an answer, Irv's is right. 4585. CalGal - 2/19/2000 11:56:16 AM Indy, 4586. AytchMan - 2/20/2000 6:16:51 AM Ace and SnowOwl-- 4587. AytchMan - 2/20/2000 6:30:20 AM Indy-- 4588. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/20/2000 7:20:01 AM AytchMan: 4589. AytchMan - 2/20/2000 7:47:00 AM Irv-- 4590. Indiana Jones - 2/20/2000 10:41:33 AM AytchMan: I think the operative words are "at the exact same position on the path." Given that the earth moves around the sun and that galaxies expand, no one is ever probably in the exact same position relative to the universe, either! 4591. AytchMan - 2/21/2000 1:10:53 AM Indy-- 4592. AytchMan - 2/21/2000 1:24:51 AM Indy-- 4593. cmboyce - 2/22/2000 10:53:31 AM Message # 4589 4594. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/22/2000 11:22:41 AM CM: 4595. ProfEmeritus - 2/22/2000 12:57:16 PM Inre the quiz in Message # 4561, three questions remain unanswered. The answers are: 4596. Dusty - 2/22/2000 2:52:13 PM ProfEmeritus 4597. cmboyce - 2/22/2000 9:08:11 PM Irv: good luck to you too. I am just beginning a second try, having discovered an incredibly STUPID error. (I'm now 9 hours behind you, though, and with less experience.) 4598. dusty - 2/22/2000 9:38:51 PM AytchMan 4599. cmboyce - 2/22/2000 10:08:19 PM Irv: good luck to you too. I am just beginning a second try, having discovered an incredibly STUPID error. (I'm now 9 hours behind you, though, and with less experience.) 4600. cmboyce - 2/22/2000 10:12:34 PM I don't know how that re-post happened. I haven't looked at Dusty's answer, because I've decided to find my error and resume play. 4601. dusty - 2/22/2000 10:16:08 PM cmboyce 4602. cmboyce - 2/22/2000 11:52:24 PM I don't know how that re-post happened. I haven't looked at Dusty's answer, because I've decided to find my error and resume play. 4603. cmboyce - 2/22/2000 11:53:29 PM ? 4604. cmboyce - 2/23/2000 12:03:37 AM Something seems wrong with the time at msg 4602, because I know I was more than 1 minute getting stuck again. More like 30. Anyway, I've surrrendered and looked at Dusty's answer, which seems right, and found my sticking point. 4605. cmboyce - 2/23/2000 12:05:13 AM I see about the time. "30 minutes"...HAH! 4606. AytchMan - 2/23/2000 5:00:06 AM Dusty-- 4607. AytchMan - 2/23/2000 6:24:49 AM What means this: 4608. Dusty - 2/23/2000 9:30:32 AM cmboyce 4609. cmboyce - 2/23/2000 9:38:18 AM Dusty 4610. Dusty - 2/23/2000 2:15:53 PM 4611. CharlieL - 2/23/2000 6:00:42 PM Here's one I got through e-mail, and never had time to try, but i kept it just in case: 4612. cmboyce - 2/23/2000 8:11:08 PM I have an answer: 4613. AytchMan - 2/24/2000 1:44:04 AM cmboyce 4609-- 4614. SnowOwl - 2/24/2000 2:55:30 AM I'm working on the idea that 4607 is some sort of code. It's clearly not a simple one to one substitution. I'm trying a 2-digit substitution now but so far I'm getting nowhere. 4615. SnowOwl - 2/24/2000 3:15:07 AM Scrub the above. There are more than 26 different pairs. 4616. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 3:16:11 AM 718274640843024725304707762524633 /// 4617. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 3:17:00 AM Try ascii. 4618. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 3:19:32 AM Scratch that, ascii obviously won't work. 4619. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 3:28:00 AM 0=44 4620. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 3:34:46 AM The problem with a set number substitution is that you obviously have repeating segments. Right? And you can't have a single number for letter substitution. But some of the fragments are even in characters and some are odd -- moreover, some of the fragments are just one character longer than the others. 4621. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 3:37:00 AM There's also in at least one case a different way to break up the repititive fragments I've highlighted, due to overlap. 4622. Dusty - 2/24/2000 8:47:59 AM FYI 4623. Dusty - 2/24/2000 9:22:29 AM I tried to pick up on A-5 comments. It started out nice, but then fell apart. He created 13 distinct segments. I've numbered them 1-13. The table below lists their length in characters: 4624. Dusty - 2/24/2000 1:44:03 PM Here is a potentially interesting observation: The digits in the puzzle contain only one "1". A telephone pad has a "1", but is not associated with numbers. If we treat the "1" as being special (in a way not yet determined) and exclude zeros (perhaps as space characters?), we can then look at the frequency of the remaining digits. 9 is rare. 9 corresponds to w,x, and y on a telephone pad, relatively rare numbers. The following table lists the digits (other than zero and one), lists the frequency they occur in the sequence of digits provided (counting only the 216 digits other than zero and one) and the frequency of letters in the English language. The comparison is less compelling than I would like, but still intriguing. Number Letter Puzzle Frequency English Frequency abc def ghi jkl mno prs tuv wxy 4625. Dusty - 2/24/2000 2:08:18 PM I'm more convinced. 4626. Dusty - 2/24/2000 2:36:12 PM From position 90 on: (In white in case someone else wants to work on it) 4627. Dusty - 2/24/2000 2:48:28 PM The answer: (In white in case someone else wants to work on it) 4628. AytchMan - 2/24/2000 3:30:50 PM Dusty-- 4629. AytchMan - 2/24/2000 3:39:04 PM Compliments to SnowOwl and Angel-Five as well for some of the building blocks. Interesting process. Civilization in general should work so well. 4630. Dusty - 2/24/2000 4:24:38 PM AytchMan 4631. Dusty - 2/24/2000 4:25:02 PM AytchMan 4632. SnowOwl - 2/24/2000 4:35:03 PM Dusty, 4633. CalGal - 2/24/2000 4:35:58 PM Wow, Dusty. Nice job. 4634. Dusty - 2/24/2000 4:45:54 PM Thanks 4635. AytchMan - 2/24/2000 4:51:59 PM Dusty-- 4636. AytchMan - 2/24/2000 5:10:06 PM While I search the archives for more good stuff, here's a simple one: 4637. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 5:50:52 PM Yes, easiest thing in the world. 4638. SnowOwl - 2/24/2000 5:59:17 PM Angel-Five, 4639. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 6:00:09 PM Alternately, you could flip it exhaustively and generate a probability of what side it comes up, then generate each binary by flipping the coin, say, a series of ten times per digit to decide. Series which are inconclusive (i.e. if the probability is .6065 and the main side comes up a 6 out of 10) you flip ten more times to give a more accurate number, and so on. And when your tosses come up over, you choose a 0; otherwise, a 1. 4640. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 6:02:26 PM Snowowl: But if heads are weighted, in your example, head before tail will still come up more often than tail over head. 4641. SnowOwl - 2/24/2000 6:11:49 PM Angel-Five 4642. Indiana Jones - 2/24/2000 6:12:58 PM A5: I think SnowOwl's solution works: 4643. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 7:33:53 PM Yes, you're right. 4644. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 7:39:38 PM Wait, I've got an easier one. Choose an orientation point on either face of the coin. Spin the coin on a flat surface instead of flipping it. Generate your 1 or 0 dependent upon whether or not your orientation point is on the top or bottom half of the exposed face. 4645. Angel-Five - 2/24/2000 8:06:20 PM Hold coin directly in center of large chessboard so that center of gravity is as low as possible, and drop repeatedly, marking a 1 for black and 0 for white. 4646. SnowOwl - 2/24/2000 8:12:19 PM Very good, Angel-Five. I especially like the Schrodinger's coin. 4647. dusty - 2/24/2000 9:25:49 PM AytchMan 4648. dusty - 2/24/2000 9:29:51 PM I've looked back now and see that my method is identical to Snowowl's. 4649. cmboyce - 2/25/2000 12:00:40 AM The barometer problem? 4650. AytchMan - 2/25/2000 12:33:14 AM SnowOwl has the goods on this one. Well done. However, A5 gets the originality award as well as a summons from the Feline Benevolent Association. 4651. AytchMan - 2/25/2000 12:43:51 AM Does anybody have any interest in a group attempt to construct a killer puzzle? Not meaning impossibly hard, rather elegant and difficult as well as accessible to the average Joe (well, the average smart Joe). I think you all (us all) could come up with some good ideas. Yes, no? Buzz off? 4652. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/25/2000 1:02:08 AM AytchMan: 4653. Angel-Five - 2/25/2000 1:19:32 AM If each man’s last name were exchanged with someone else’s, the names of five men would be Abraham Lincoln, Booker T. Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and Martin Luther King. Each man works in a different city (Oakdale, Quincy, Utica, Youngstown, Zenith) than he lives in ( Dawson, Goddard, Innstown, Jackson, Northville), and he gets to and from work in a car pool, an express train, a pickup truck, a streetcar, or a van pool. 4654. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/25/2000 2:37:38 AM A5: 4655. Angel-Five - 2/25/2000 2:50:38 AM No, I grabbed it online. That's the only respectable puzzle from that page, though, otherwise I'd link it. 4656. Angel-Five - 2/25/2000 2:52:19 AM I've a book of Times logic puzzlers somewhere. I will find it one of these days. More than one of them stumped me when I went through the book (I was a teenager then). 4657. Angel-Five - 2/25/2000 2:53:39 AM Aytch: We have enough math people here to do that. 4658. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/25/2000 2:58:40 AM A5: 4659. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/25/2000 3:16:42 AM Is this soon enough? 4660. AytchMan - 2/25/2000 3:47:23 AM A5-- 4661. AytchMan - 2/25/2000 4:08:28 AM A5 and Irv-- 4662. AytchMan - 2/25/2000 4:13:00 AM Submitted for your consideration, A Three-Part Quickie. The following three questions have no tricks to them but anyone who gets all three is pretty durn good. For each question, give a quick answer within fifteen seconds and Your Final Answer within 5 minutes. 4663. SnowOwl - 2/25/2000 5:17:40 AM 1. 5.7 inches 4664. SnowOwl - 2/25/2000 5:19:59 AM Avove post is answer to Aytchman's questions. 4665. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/25/2000 5:38:28 AM AytchMan: 4666. Dusty - 2/25/2000 8:00:40 AM Irv 4667. Dusty - 2/25/2000 8:08:11 AM Answers 4668. Dusty - 2/25/2000 8:22:12 AM Answer 4669. CharlieL - 2/25/2000 8:24:38 AM Irv et al, here's a page that has some pretty nasty cryptic crosswords on it. 4670. Angel-Five - 2/25/2000 10:11:43 AM Irv 4671. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/25/2000 10:14:44 AM Bingo, A5. 4672. SharonSchroeder - 2/25/2000 10:59:20 AM My guesses 4673. SharonSchroeder - 2/25/2000 10:59:54 AM Perhaps #3 is twenty minutes? AAAAHHH!!! 4674. SharonSchroeder - 2/25/2000 11:00:25 AM Am I close? On any of 'em? 4675. Indiana Jones - 2/25/2000 11:06:50 AM Perhaps one of the thread hosts could add this as a link to the butter bar: Logic Puzzles. 4676. Dusty - 2/25/2000 11:13:43 AM Sharon 4677. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/25/2000 12:05:55 PM Sharon: 4678. Thoughtful - 2/25/2000 1:03:19 PM OK, Dusty, I got your answers. I'm always so impressed at how good you are at this stuff. I get there eventually, but it takes me some time and some very odd sketches! 4679. dusty - 2/25/2000 6:18:30 PM AytchMan 4680. dusty - 2/25/2000 6:36:55 PM Other ways to generate binary digits with a biased coin: 4681. dusty - 2/25/2000 6:37:19 PM continued. 4682. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 12:32:24 AM Angel-Five-- 4683. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 12:38:58 AM SnowOwl-- 4684. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 12:45:11 AM Irv-- 4685. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 12:47:26 AM Sharon-- 4686. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/26/2000 12:53:38 AM AytchMan: 4687. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 12:54:42 AM Perth isn't on the coast? Wasn't there a WWII naval base there? 4688. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/26/2000 12:59:51 AM A5: 4689. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 1:09:55 AM Dusty et al-- 4690. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 1:13:18 AM Sounds like text Myst. 4691. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 1:28:51 AM Irv-- 4692. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 1:30:16 AM Lest that comment be taken ambiguously as well, I lovedMyst. 4693. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/26/2000 1:33:52 AM H-Man: 4694. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 1:40:23 AM Angel-Five-- 4695. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 1:45:25 AM Irv-- 4696. SnowOwl - 2/26/2000 2:09:42 AM If it was truly fuzzy logic all the clues could possibly be wrong (or right). You'd have to be very careful. 4697. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 2:26:10 AM But you know what I mean -- using 'probably' and 'very unlikely' and such. In the construction, we'd set it up that a 'very likely' meant an 80% chance that the clue was accurate. Then, we'd use five clues instead of four. One would be wrong. If we kept the number of clues reasonable, I think the solver could make enough assumptions and trials to get through it. We could also make the false clues fairly easy to verify as false. 4698. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 2:32:13 AM From the standpoint of the solver, all of the clues could indeed be wrong or right, at least until the puzzle was solved. But, in reality of course, each clue is constructed to be 100% right or wrong. There's no replayability in the puzzle. Hmm, there's another concept to think about. 4699. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 2:43:18 AM I propose a theme: a murder mystery. And the fuzzy logic... 4700. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 2:51:20 AM On the increasingly likely chance that I've been unclear: let's bag the fuzzy logic term. My suggestion is to construct a puzzle that has a single solution. We construct it in such a way that the solver reads some of the clues as less than 100% certain. However, each clue is either true or false, period. We simply word some of them to indicate that they're more or less likely to be true. On the basis of a specific clue, it's an aid to the solver. In the grand scheme of things, it makes the puzzle more difficult. Naturally, the puzzle must be solvable within the average lifetime. 4701. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 3:17:42 AM A Trivial Example (I've peeked, you'll find it very entertaining). 4702. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 3:27:48 AM Oh, christ, you're going to send me back to my old logic textbook aren't you?
I personally better like the idea of approaching it as a logic puzzle related by several (perhaps unreliable) narrators wherein you have to solve it in pieces and make some educated guesses at each stage to avoid doing an exhaustive amount of proof-work. But your idea sounds interesting, too. 4703. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/26/2000 3:32:56 AM I like A5's idea of a mystery story with several narrators. It could work well. 4704. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 3:33:22 AM I may have found a bigger set that will work. I'll double check it and post it after big snoozy. 4705. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 3:37:12 AM Well, no snoozy quite yet. I also like the murder mystery idea. Any thoughts on how to convey the reliability of each narrator? 4706. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 3:41:19 AM (big smile) 4707. SpenceMirrlees - 2/26/2000 3:41:32 AM a fun follow up to suspending cable around the equator: 4708. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 3:52:31 AM Spence-- 4709. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/26/2000 3:57:35 AM Aytch: 4710. AceofSpades - 2/26/2000 3:58:41 AM 4711. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 4:11:47 AM Irv-- 4712. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 4:12:13 AM circumference equals diameter times pi. 4713. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 4:15:31 AM oops: 4714. SpenceMirrlees - 2/26/2000 4:15:48 AM Consider a circle of circumference x. Let its radius be r, so x = 2pr, or r = x/(2p). 4715. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 4:16:52 AM Blessed rain. It's pouring here in Austin and boy do we need it. 4716. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 4:17:23 AM The one I don't frickin' get is the walking problem; for some reason I can't divine why the speed of the car doesn't matter. 4717. AceofSpades - 2/26/2000 4:20:18 AM 4718. AceofSpades - 2/26/2000 4:21:39 AM 4719. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 4:22:37 AM Jesus, 2000 and 2000.98 feet. 4720. AceofSpades - 2/26/2000 4:22:58 AM 4721. AceofSpades - 2/26/2000 4:28:36 AM 4722. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 4:31:29 AM On the multiple-narrators mystery idea, I think we may have something. We could either fold a single big puzzle into the story with each narrator giving a different subset of clues or have each narrator relate a smaller self-contained subpuzzle. 4723. AceofSpades - 2/26/2000 4:35:48 AM 4724. AceofSpades - 2/26/2000 4:37:17 AM 4725. AytchMan - 2/26/2000 4:39:54 AM Angel-Five 4716-- 4726. dusty - 2/26/2000 11:28:59 AM Message # 4705 4727. joezan - 2/26/2000 12:31:34 PM 4728. Absensia - 2/26/2000 1:00:43 PM I know, I know! But have to figure out how to post it in white! 4729. Absensia - 2/26/2000 1:03:04 PM 4730. arkymalarky - 2/26/2000 1:03:17 PM 4731. arkymalarky - 2/26/2000 1:04:21 PM PS--white font is a great thing for going back and working on these when you have time and energy instead of making it a race. Makes a puzzle/quiz thread fun for a lot more people. 4732. Absensia - 2/26/2000 1:06:25 PM So I am learning. I can't help but look if an answer's visible. 4733. joezan - 2/26/2000 1:06:47 PM 4734. dusty - 2/26/2000 1:12:45 PM Yes, that card trick is great. I've shown it to a number of people who take some time to figure it out. 4735. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 5:20:56 PM Oh, christ. 4736. Angel-Five - 2/26/2000 5:25:38 PM Oh, the card trick is good, too. 4738. dusty - 2/27/2000 12:32:44 PM I love it!! 4739. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/27/2000 12:33:58 PM Here it is, finally... 4740. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/27/2000 12:35:00 PM Hahaha, Dustball, er, Dusty... your post looks out of place since I moved my post to correct the html error! 4741. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/27/2000 12:45:06 PM Indy: 4742. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/27/2000 1:05:01 PM NOTE: 4743. Angel-Five - 2/27/2000 6:14:03 PM I'll take a shot: 4744. Angel-Five - 2/27/2000 6:14:28 PM GOOD puzzle. 4745. SnowOwl - 2/27/2000 8:02:09 PM Well done Angel. I screwed up and had to start again but in the meantime you posted your solution. 4746. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/27/2000 9:02:10 PM A5: Completely correct. Well done. It's nice to know the puzzle works. It's my first attempt. I'm sure I'll get better with practice. 4747. arkymalarky - 2/27/2000 9:13:03 PM How fun, Irv! I'll copy it off and see if I get time to work on it tomorrow. I actually love logic problems and used to buy puzzle books to work them, but I haven't done one in a while. 4748. SnowOwl - 2/27/2000 9:25:15 PM Irving, 4749. SnowOwl - 2/27/2000 9:30:42 PM I should say that the above are not quibbles or criticisms at all. They're just things that struck me when you said you were looking for feedback. 4750. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 12:46:06 AM I'm working on a logic puzzle. It's turning out to be much bigger than I thought it would be and I've never done this sort of thing before but when I get done I'll post it. 4751. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:20:18 AM This is definitely shaggy, and too long. 4752. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:21:52 AM Nevertheless, you observe the town for five days, gathering clues. You’re finding things out in decent order when suddenly word gets out of what you’re up to and the meetings stop – no one comes round on the sixth night. You regretfully call your employers. Furious, the six husbands show up in your office, upset that you were spotted. 4753. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:23:01 AM While driving to Nasty’s Imported Beer and Cigarettes, you observed the Infiniti in the parking lot around seven o clock. You saw one of the men get out of it and go in, but you were too far to tell who he was and by the time you got there he was gone. The cashier didn’t recognize the buyer but said that he’d purchased a pack of Helikons. The cashier said the man was grinning happily, talking on the phone to his girlfriend and telling her he wasn’t going to get beer. When he gets off the phone he hi-fives the cashier, saying that he’d be ‘getting laid within the half hour’. 4754. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:24:03 AM You get hungry around nine and walk into Taco Tonto’s for a burrito and a beer. While you are there you see Tess, who is looking for Furstenbergs in the bottle. The bartender doesn’t have any. Tess gives you a funny look as she leaves. 4755. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:24:35 AM A friend of Beau’s tells you that Beau smokes Marlboros exclusively, but he can’t remember what he drinks. He talks about having seen Beau and Pauline earlier in the week – all three had lunch. When you ask him what kind of car he drives the friend looks at you funny and changes the subject. 4756. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:25:05 AM Around five you spot Oona driving out of an apartment on Shore. She stops at a dumpster along the way and tosses in a garbage bag. After she leaves you check out the bag, trying as hard as you can not to look like a dumpster diver. It contains garbage, empty Dos Equis bottles, and empty Kool packages. 4757. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:25:20 AM You spot Ursula at Al’s Brew and Smokes buying Bass Ale. The cashier there remembered that someone came in and bought Furstenbergs, and drove off in a Nissan. 4758. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:28:26 AM Isuzu = Infiniti. 4759. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/28/2000 5:34:17 AM Sheesh, A5, you've written a book, in your usual inimitable manner. 4760. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:41:34 AM Did you expect a short puzzle? From me? You'd have felt cheated, admit it. I know some information can be pared out of it, too, more's the pity. Anyone who can point out unnecessary clues aside from a few of the car parkings gets bonus points. 4761. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 5:42:15 AM BTW, it may be long, but the puzzle itself isn't terribly hard. 4762. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/28/2000 5:44:49 AM No, A5, your puzzle is true to form. I'll give it a go a bit later. 4763. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/28/2000 1:28:24 PM A5: 4764. OhioSTOPAS - 2/28/2000 5:55:36 PM There's quiz-related news about me in "The Mote Cafe" . . . 4765. Angel-Five - 2/28/2000 6:10:55 PM Yeh, it was sloppy, I should have edited it better. Next time I'll try a smaller puzzle at an earlier hour. 4766. AytchMan - 2/28/2000 11:39:50 PM Wow-- 4767. AytchMan - 2/29/2000 12:02:58 AM Irv-- 4768. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/29/2000 1:09:14 AM AytchMan: 4769. AytchMan - 2/29/2000 1:14:40 AM Irv-- 4770. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/29/2000 1:18:51 AM Aytch: 4771. SnowOwl - 2/29/2000 5:12:37 AM Angel, 4772. Thoughtful - 2/29/2000 6:15:05 PM Here's one if you like geometry. 4773. Thoughtful - 2/29/2000 6:17:42 PM Seeing as I'm around infrequently, I'll post the answer here in white, but I won't post the solution of how to find the answer until maybe tomorrow. 4774. SnowOwl - 3/1/2000 2:01:56 AM I'm interested in seeing your solution, Thoughtful. Mine gives me a different result (Angle xyB =30 degrees). I guess I'll have to brush up on geometry. 4775. SnowOwl - 3/1/2000 2:07:33 AM I'm interested in seeing your solution, Thoughtful. Mine gives me a different result (Angle xyB = 30 degrees). I'm obviously going to have to brush up on geometry. 4776. PelleNilsson - 3/1/2000 2:11:42 AM Why don't I see #4774 and 4775? 4777. SnowOwl - 3/1/2000 2:12:20 AM 4778. PelleNilsson - 3/1/2000 2:16:30 AM What are you doing SnowOwl? A little while ago I saw my own message #4776 but now that has disappeared too and there is nothing after #4773. 4779. SnowOwl - 3/1/2000 2:16:46 AM Pelle, I think Thoughtful forgot to close her white font. I posted and couldn't work out where it had vanished to, so posted again before I figured out what had happened. 4780. SnowOwl - 3/1/2000 2:18:40 AM I see your message 4776. 4781. PelleNilsson - 3/1/2000 2:20:29 AM Yes, that was obviously it. 4782. cmboyce - 3/1/2000 2:56:39 AM There's nothing on my screen between 4773 and 4778. But perhaps no one said anything. (I'll find out tomorrow. 'Night all.) 4783. cmboyce - 3/1/2000 2:57:49 AM Never mind. I found them. 4784. cmboyce - 3/1/2000 2:58:43 AM Hah. And now they're there in black. Good recovery, guys. 4785. Thoughtful - 3/1/2000 7:28:30 AM My apologies for forgetting the off switch on the white font. 4786. Thoughtful - 3/1/2000 7:29:32 AM Would anyone like me to post the solution? 4787. Dusty - 3/1/2000 7:54:53 AM Thoughtful 4788. Thoughtful - 3/1/2000 12:54:33 PM Interesting. I opened up this page in netscape, and my geometry figure doesn't show except as a broken link. It shows fine in IE. Go figure. 4789. Thoughtful - 3/1/2000 12:55:08 PM Just checking for toys. 4790. Angel-Five - 3/1/2000 2:00:29 PM Good puzzle! I constructed, I swear, just about every imaginable line other than that one last night. I've forgotten a lot of geometry but I think I proved about half of it last night again. My notebooks look like I was sketching the Nazca lines. I ended up taking the Dusty route in the end because although I knew right off the bat that the symmetry of isosceles sides was important, I couldn't make it work. More please. 4791. Thoughtful - 3/1/2000 2:16:46 PM Angel-5, glad you enjoyed it. It's from a book of puzzles I have from way back. (Would you believe it has a price on it of 60 cents!) I'll have to look for others in the book, though of the ones I glanced at, none so intriguing as this -- I think it's because there are few puzzles calling for this kind of geometry. If I find one of interest, I'll be sure to post it. 4792. PelleNilsson - 3/1/2000 2:40:21 PM Thoughtful 4793. Thoughtful - 3/1/2000 3:16:33 PM Pelle, I only have paint to convert the figure and save it which does .bmp files. Is there some software I need to make it a .gif or a .jpg? 4794. PelleNilsson - 3/1/2000 3:30:33 PM Thoughtful 4795. Angel-Five - 3/1/2000 3:31:48 PM You can save paint pics as .jpgs. Just click on 'save as' and indicate at the bottom of the dialog box (where it says 'save as type:') that you want to save as a jpeg. 4796. Angel-Five - 3/1/2000 3:33:07 PM Clarification: you can do that in Paint. 4797. Angel-Five - 3/1/2000 3:56:29 PM The wonderful autodidactic journey of computer literacy has many a hairpin curve, apparently. 4798. Thoughtful - 3/1/2000 4:16:35 PM Thanks .... sometimes I think this software stuff is a quiz in itself. I was so dumb as to be drawing the picture in powerpoint and then pulling it into paint! I didn't realize I could save it as a .jpg file directly from powerpoint. 4799. SnowOwl - 3/1/2000 5:20:39 PM Thoughtful, 4800. SnowOwl - 3/1/2000 5:22:29 PM Thanks, Thoughtful. I really enjoyed working on that. 4801. AytchMan - 3/2/2000 1:30:33 AM I've got another puzzle similar to the European Trip thing (Denmark, France, Italy, Spain, remember?). But I don't have the answer for it. Should I post it anyway? 4802. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 1:40:07 AM Go ahead and post Aytchman. I'm sure we can come up with the answer. 4803. AytchMan - 3/2/2000 1:43:53 AM OK. Scannerless, I'll type it up as soon as I can but that probably means tomorrow. 4804. Thoughtful - 3/2/2000 8:36:27 AM Wow! SnowOwl, I'm impressed. I'm going to have to refresh some trig before I'll even be able to understand your solution. But I'll work on it. It's been so long since I needed to do any trig it'll be fun to refresh that stuff. 4805. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 6:42:51 PM SOME EASY ONES AND SOME HARD ONES 4806. CalGal - 3/2/2000 6:45:05 PM 1. Tigris? 4807. CalGal - 3/2/2000 6:46:37 PM 10. Dammit, it's in Venezuela somewhere. Cheriz? Cher-something, anyway. 4808. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 6:48:13 PM 2. Murray-Darling? 4809. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 6:50:34 PM 6. Niagara? 4810. CalGal - 3/2/2000 6:51:25 PM 2. Murphy or Murray is the one I'd heard, but that's not 7 characters. 4811. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 6:52:49 PM Dang. I just realised that the numbers of letters are posted and mine don't match up. 4812. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 6:55:05 PM 9. Mackenzie 4813. CalGal - 3/2/2000 6:55:42 PM 8. Kansas River, near Lawrence, Kansas 4814. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 7:11:31 PM Snow Owl 4815. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 7:14:24 PM Snow Owl 4816. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 7:17:04 PM 10. Churun 4817. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 7:17:19 PM CalGal 4818. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 7:24:15 PM 7/ Trying again. Gironde 4819. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 7:26:28 PM CalGal and Snow Owl 4820. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 7:29:31 PM Snow Owl 4821. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 7:31:11 PM I'm stumped on the others. Nice quiz, prof, thanks. 4822. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 7:51:34 PM Thanks, Snow Owl. CalGal and you almost completely demolished my tough quiz in nothing flat. I am impressed. 4823. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/2/2000 8:21:04 PM Sorry, ProfE... I don't know the answers to those two (although I knew the others, except #7). Geography quizzes always seem to appear while I sleep. 4824. CalGal - 3/2/2000 8:23:52 PM 10. Well, it's Cher something. Cheron? Cherin? Cheril? 4825. Angel-Five - 3/2/2000 8:34:45 PM El rio Churun. 4826. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 8:37:27 PM I've already suggested the Churun, Angel, but profE tells me I'm wrong. 4827. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 8:38:19 PM OK. Since Irv gave up on it, the answers to 4 and 10 are: 4828. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 8:41:20 PM I am shocked that Angel 5 didn't know where his Falls are. 4829. Angel-Five - 3/2/2000 8:43:00 PM The only one which sounds Italian is the Caroni, which is fed by the Churun. But it's actually the Churun which is fed by Angel Falls. 4830. Angel-Five - 3/2/2000 8:43:56 PM There's also the Carrao somewhere, which sounds Portuguese (more understandably). 4831. Angel-Five - 3/2/2000 8:44:20 PM Crosspost. 4832. Angel-Five - 3/2/2000 8:46:37 PM More quizzes! 4833. profemeritus - 3/2/2000 8:53:35 PM Angel 5 4834. Angel-Five - 3/2/2000 11:45:01 PM Common threads: (easy) 4835. sakonige - 3/2/2000 11:48:29 PM 4836. joezan - 3/2/2000 11:49:31 PM 4837. sakonige - 3/2/2000 11:50:14 PM 4838. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 11:51:37 PM 1. dust 4839. sakonige - 3/2/2000 11:55:08 PM 4840. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 11:57:51 PM 11. diamond 4841. joezan - 3/2/2000 11:58:55 PM 4842. SnowOwl - 3/2/2000 11:59:41 PM sakonige, a thread is something that links the three clues. 4843. sakonige - 3/3/2000 12:00:16 AM 4844. sakonige - 3/3/2000 12:00:56 AM 4845. SnowOwl - 3/3/2000 12:00:59 AM 10. card? 4846. Angel-Five - 3/3/2000 12:01:46 AM Zanni with 2, the sort-of 7, 13, and 14. 4847. Angel-Five - 3/3/2000 12:02:05 AM Snowowl with 10. 4848. sakonige - 3/3/2000 12:04:13 AM 4849. joezan - 3/3/2000 12:04:38 AM 4850. SnowOwl - 3/3/2000 12:08:34 AM 3. They're all air to air missiles. 4851. Angel-Five - 3/3/2000 12:10:00 AM A Shrike is not necessarily air-to-air but I'll give you credit. 4852. sakonige - 3/3/2000 12:40:38 AM 4853. SnowOwl - 3/3/2000 12:46:31 AM 12. I'll try cheese. 4854. cmboyce - 3/3/2000 1:03:54 AM 5: they're all "barbarian" tribes of early medieval Europe. 4855. cmboyce - 3/3/2000 1:05:12 AM 8: Nicknames for soldiers 4856. cmboyce - 3/3/2000 1:08:08 AM 10: card 4857. cmboyce - 3/3/2000 1:09:21 AM Oops, I see SnowOwl already got "card". 4858. Angel-Five - 3/3/2000 1:53:06 AM Sno: yes for 12. 4859. SnowOwl - 3/3/2000 2:09:55 AM 4. shield 4860. cmboyce - 3/3/2000 2:13:33 AM Angel, does that mean "Flynt" was your intended answer? 4861. Angel-Five - 3/3/2000 2:17:54 AM Sno: I told you it was easy. Sometimes you gotta be simple to be crafty. 4862. Angel-Five - 3/3/2000 2:18:36 AM 6 and 9 left. 4863. cmboyce - 3/3/2000 2:34:26 AM What's a kite shield? 4864. cmboyce - 3/3/2000 2:36:13 AM Well, I've got to go to bed. But I'll take a passing stab at #9: cops' slang for different sorts of perps? 4865. SnowOwl - 3/3/2000 2:40:37 AM cmboyce, 4866. Angel-Five - 3/3/2000 2:42:59 AM For the ease of CMB's rest: 4867. Thoughtful - 3/3/2000 1:10:54 PM Here's a math puzzle from the same book: 4868. Dusty - 3/3/2000 1:22:34 PM Thoughtful 4869. Dusty - 3/3/2000 1:23:38 PM Whoops, ignore last post. I see. 4870. Dusty - 3/3/2000 1:54:00 PM Thoughtful 4871. Thoughtful - 3/3/2000 6:18:17 PM Dusty, as you can see, you got the right answer. Good job! 4872. Thoughtful - 3/3/2000 6:19:03 PM "I'm no good at packing problems." 4873. dusty - 3/3/2000 6:20:55 PM Nope 4874. Thoughtful - 3/3/2000 6:27:06 PM Did you catch SnowOwl's solution? Talk about nice! It's been too long since I did that kind of trig work. 4875. dusty - 3/3/2000 6:28:58 PM Thoughtful 4876. profemeritus - 3/3/2000 10:43:29 PM Irv 4877. CalGal - 3/3/2000 10:47:39 PM 12. Krakatoa? (or is it only for Irv?) 4878. profemeritus - 3/3/2000 10:50:49 PM CalGal 4879. CalGal - 3/3/2000 10:51:01 PM 4. Crete 4880. CalGal - 3/3/2000 10:51:40 PM Oops. I'll let the rest alone. 4881. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/3/2000 10:52:59 PM 1. Greenland 4882. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/3/2000 10:57:07 PM 1. Greenland 4883. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/3/2000 11:09:54 PM Aargh. I'm having connection problems, and just lost a post full of answers, got cut off and had to restart. 4884. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/3/2000 11:12:10 PM The only one I'm not really sure of is #3... is it Capri? (Of course I might be wrong on #9 as well, in which case it's probably Hokkaido). 4885. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/3/2000 11:14:57 PM I've spent 2/3 of my life on 5 islands. ProfE... can you name them? 4886. profemeritus - 3/3/2000 11:19:40 PM Irv 4887. profemeritus - 3/3/2000 11:23:35 PM No. 3 and No. 7 are open to all who want to guess. No. 7 stumped Irv so be careful. 4888. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/3/2000 11:24:20 PM ProfE: 4889. profemeritus - 3/3/2000 11:27:15 PM Irv 4890. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/3/2000 11:29:08 PM Correct, ProfE. 4891. profemeritus - 3/3/2000 11:33:48 PM CalGal 4895. Angel-Five - 3/4/2000 12:12:33 AM Gee. I can't imagine what 7 could be. 4896. Angel-Five - 3/4/2000 12:33:03 AM Who remembers these? 4897. SnowOwl - 3/4/2000 12:39:59 AM I haven't seen these since I was a kid. 4898. SnowOwl - 3/4/2000 12:41:05 AM Thoughtful, 4899. AytchMan - 3/4/2000 12:57:12 AM From out of the blue, a wild guess: 4900. Angel-Five - 3/4/2000 2:02:59 AM Aytchman: 4901. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/4/2000 2:10:46 AM Aytch: 4902. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/4/2000 2:12:44 AM Sheesh... teach me to reload. A5 was 8 minutes ahead on that. 4903. AytchMan - 3/4/2000 2:46:12 AM Irv-- 4904. lemwalker - 3/5/2000 11:13:04 AM Rats!! too late for the geography quiz. 4905. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 2:16:37 PM lem 4906. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 2:45:34 PM Times Past Quiz 4907. dusty - 3/5/2000 4:07:41 PM 9 Helen 4908. dusty - 3/5/2000 4:09:13 PM 8. Lord Nelson? 4909. dusty - 3/5/2000 4:11:35 PM Ha ha, here I am typing furiously, think I just stumbled into a new quiz, then I looked at the time. 4910. PelleNilsson - 3/5/2000 4:37:24 PM 1. La Meuse 4911. PelleNilsson - 3/5/2000 4:41:35 PM 12. Assur 4912. PelleNilsson - 3/5/2000 4:42:37 PM 3. Villain? 4913. Blue Eyes - 3/5/2000 4:58:35 PM Pelle 4914. Blue Eyes - 3/5/2000 5:01:41 PM Pelle 4915. blue eyes - 3/5/2000 5:17:34 PM Here's a recap: 4916. PelleNilsson - 3/5/2000 5:25:00 PM I defer to Dusty on 9. 4917. PelleNilsson - 3/5/2000 5:25:48 PM Shit! villasin=villain 4918. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 5:26:14 PM Dusty and Pelle 4919. PelleNilsson - 3/5/2000 5:27:52 PM Re kingdom in Ghana: Ashanti works its way up from the recesses of the mind. 4920. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 5:31:23 PM Pelle 4921. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 5:33:27 PM Pelle 4922. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 5:34:01 PM 1. The Somne? 4923. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 5:34:27 PM Pelle 4924. PelleNilsson - 3/5/2000 5:37:36 PM The Somme, SnowOwl. A typo. I should have thought of it. Still, there was a battle of the Meuese, but perhaps later. 4925. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 5:43:48 PM Oops, that was a typo Pelle. 4926. dusty - 3/5/2000 6:13:08 PM Oops, no excuse for the spelling of Engels. 4927. dusty - 3/5/2000 6:14:56 PM At the risk of being picky, is there a reason you didn't give the number of letters for some? Otherwise, Marx would be acceptable for 4 4928. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 6:21:32 PM Snow Owl 4929. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 6:23:49 PM in otherS 4930. dusty - 3/5/2000 7:04:00 PM At the risk of belaboring a minor point, you did not include the number of letters in number 4. If any question needed one, that was it. 4931. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 7:16:06 PM Dusty 4932. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 7:39:27 PM Quiz on the Sixties 4933. theDiva - 3/5/2000 7:46:14 PM 4. Psycho 4934. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 7:49:26 PM 2. Tshombe 4935. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 7:51:47 PM 6. Malta. 4936. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 7:54:13 PM 11. NATO 4937. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 7:55:05 PM Snow Owl 4938. dusty - 3/5/2000 7:56:34 PM I trust Snowowl was referring to 8 and 9, the only ones I knew. 4939. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 7:59:42 PM Snow Owl 4940. CalGal - 3/5/2000 8:00:37 PM 12. Malaysia 4941. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:01:27 PM ProfE 4942. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:01:57 PM CalGal 4943. CalGal - 3/5/2000 8:02:40 PM 13. Obote? 4944. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:04:11 PM CalGal 4945. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:05:43 PM sniffle 4946. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 8:07:08 PM Sorry, I did mean 8 and 9 for Watson and Crick. As a bonus, who was the New Zealander who also won the Nobel along with Watson & Crick? 4947. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:07:40 PM 4. Psycho 4948. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:09:56 PM Snow Owl 4949. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:11:27 PM Diva 4950. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:12:36 PM oh, good. I was beginning to feel a bit dejected. 4951. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:18:45 PM 14. Sartre (?) 4952. Absensia - 3/5/2000 8:22:50 PM #7. France & deGaulle? 4953. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:23:37 PM Diva 4954. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 8:25:17 PM 13. If it's not Obote, who was Prime Minister (I think), it must be the Kabaka....Freddie???? 4955. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:26:48 PM Absensia 4956. Absensia - 3/5/2000 8:27:42 PM As do I, Prof. 4957. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 8:27:57 PM And this is a complete guess 4958. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:29:26 PM Snow Owl 4959. Absensia - 3/5/2000 8:29:30 PM "They are really bad shots." Ahhhh, the Gaullic mastery of understatement! 4960. ProfEmeritus - 3/5/2000 8:32:02 PM Snow Owl 4961. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 8:34:34 PM Prof, 4962. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:37:54 PM Dat's okay, ProfE.....great quiz. Thanks. 4963. Absensia - 3/5/2000 8:37:55 PM Actually, SnowOwl was there, helping Amin. 4964. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:38:43 PM oh man, that's right, DeGaulle! I can't believe I didn't get that, I actually remember it (dimly). 4965. Absensia - 3/5/2000 8:38:53 PM Prof, 4966. SnowOwl - 3/5/2000 8:41:13 PM Careful Abs, I've still got a couple of the boys on my side. And we know where you live! 4967. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:41:26 PM And oddly enough, the numbers help. Must be my crossword puzzlers brain. 4968. Absensia - 3/5/2000 8:43:14 PM Diva, 4969. theDiva - 3/5/2000 8:44:15 PM heh heh heh....youngster! 4970. ProfEmeritus - 3/6/2000 6:46:40 PM THE FIFTIES 4971. ProfEmeritus - 3/6/2000 7:06:55 PM Change #1 to: "Who was Prime Minister of Great Britain in 1950." 4972. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:09:05 PM 7 Vo Nguyen Giap 4973. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:09:59 PM 5 Nasser 4974. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:12:30 PM 2 Abdullah 4975. ProfEmeritus - 3/6/2000 7:13:51 PM Angel5 4976. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:14:21 PM I know 1 and 11 but can't get them off the tip of my tongue. 4977. ProfEmeritus - 3/6/2000 7:15:56 PM Angel5 4978. ChristinO - 3/6/2000 7:16:37 PM holding hands over mouth to keep from making smartypants comment 4979. ProfEmeritus - 3/6/2000 7:18:15 PM ChristenO 4980. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:19:49 PM Bulganin, then. 4981. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:25:42 PM Oh, f#$%, the dog's name. 4982. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:26:22 PM LAIKA. 4983. ProfEmeritus - 3/6/2000 7:27:03 PM A5 4984. ProfEmeritus - 3/6/2000 7:28:23 PM A5 4985. ChristinO - 3/6/2000 7:34:49 PM ProfE, 4986. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 7:35:34 PM Is it? Huh. 4987. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/6/2000 7:55:11 PM 3. Libya? 4988. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/6/2000 7:56:14 PM 10. Kashmir? 4989. profemeritus - 3/6/2000 7:59:27 PM Irv 4990. Angel-Five - 3/6/2000 8:09:52 PM FAST search for Clement Attlee We have a mystery! Prof's spelling definitely seems favored, but it's sort of strange that different encyclopedias list his name differently. I think we may have had this discussion in the Fray. 4991. profemeritus - 3/6/2000 8:14:06 PM A5 4992. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/6/2000 8:34:33 PM I just noticed this question hasn't been answered: 4993. profemeritus - 3/6/2000 8:43:00 PM Irv 4994. SnowOwl - 3/6/2000 9:24:32 PM Darn, I hate finding quizzes late. 4995. profemeritus - 3/6/2000 9:39:52 PM SnowOwl 4996. profemeritus - 3/6/2000 9:41:42 PM # 4 princess who married the Shah in 1951 remains unanswered. 4997. SnowOwl - 3/6/2000 9:44:43 PM 4. Is it Suraya? 4998. profemeritus - 3/6/2000 10:18:18 PM SnowOwl 4999. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/6/2000 10:18:41 PM It's supposed to be 5 letters. I thought it was Farah, but it turns out she was his third wife. 5000. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/6/2000 10:19:21 PM How do you get 5 letters out of Saraya? 5001. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/6/2000 10:20:20 PM Shoot. I misread it. It says six letters. No wonder I was stuck in a mindset. 5002. SnowOwl - 3/6/2000 10:33:11 PM If I'd read the thread more carefully I would have seen the unanswered ones. 5003. profemeritus - 3/6/2000 10:34:23 PM SnowOwl 5004. SnowOwl - 3/6/2000 10:36:09 PM Another fun quiz, Prof, thanks. 5005. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:08:02 PM THE SEVENTIES 5006. SnowOwl - 3/7/2000 7:19:30 PM These are getting a bit after my time, but here are a few guesses. 5007. arkymalarky - 3/7/2000 7:21:08 PM 1)Hendrix 5008. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:22:54 PM SnowOwl 5009. arkymalarky - 3/7/2000 7:23:01 PM 2)Hendrix 5010. arkymalarky - 3/7/2000 7:24:04 PM Dadgum, SnowOwl, you're phenomenal on timing and answers! 5011. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:26:29 PM Arky 5012. arkymalarky - 3/7/2000 7:28:54 PM Is it Tolkien? That doesn't look right. I see something I hit posted #5007, but I don't remember what I hit. 5013. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:30:21 PM SnowOwl 5014. Absensia - 3/7/2000 7:31:18 PM #4 Pakistan? 5015. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:32:57 PM Arky (and SnowOwl) 5016. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:33:59 PM Abs 5017. arkymalarky - 3/7/2000 7:35:50 PM I'm sure you're right, ProfE. I've got a dead head today and there are a couple more I feel like I know but can't call up. 5018. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:37:47 PM Arky 5019. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:40:44 PM If my records are right, the following remain unanswered: 6,7,9,10,12 and 15. 5020. arkymalarky - 3/7/2000 7:43:17 PM Well, I only do it twice a year. Now if I were their coach, I'd burn these quizzes daily! 5021. SnowOwl - 3/7/2000 7:47:30 PM 7. Brandt 5022. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:47:38 PM Arky 5023. ProfEmeritus - 3/7/2000 7:49:27 PM SnowOwl 5024. SnowOwl - 3/7/2000 7:52:25 PM I love quizzes. I dont know if you you guys had the same thing over there, but here there was a period when pubs used to run quiz nights with the proceeds going to charity- you'd enter a team of 4, and there was usually a small prize. Since most of my family have much more general knowledge than I do our team was a real whiz, we cleaned up. 5025. Absensia - 3/7/2000 8:00:54 PM 12. Narayan (sp?) 5026. Absensia - 3/7/2000 8:04:02 PM 10. Monaco? 5027. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:04:28 PM SnowOwl 5028. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:05:47 PM Abs 5029. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:06:53 PM and 5030. Absensia - 3/7/2000 8:07:17 PM Well, I knew Monaco had to be wrong right after I put it in. Must go make dinner now. Thanks though, this is fun. 5031. SnowOwl - 3/7/2000 8:08:12 PM We need Diva here for the jazz questions. 5032. Absensia - 3/7/2000 8:10:48 PM grrr..Five letters for #12..it's Desai. 5033. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:15:47 PM SnowOwl 5034. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:19:16 PM In the Seventies Quiz in Message # 5005, the following remain unanswered: 6, 10 and 15. 5035. SnowOwl - 3/7/2000 8:29:03 PM I'm reduced to wild guesses now. 5036. SnowOwl - 3/7/2000 8:30:58 PM Prof, 5037. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:32:26 PM SnowOwl 5038. EricCartman - 3/7/2000 8:33:15 PM Wild guesses: 5039. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:35:15 PM Eric 5040. SnowOwl - 3/7/2000 8:43:47 PM Working on the theory that it has to be a democratic country, since they voted to abolish the monarchy, and since it isn't Norway or Sweden, I'll take a stab at 5041. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 8:54:14 PM SnowOwl 5042. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2000 8:56:11 PM 6. Skylab 5043. profemeritus - 3/7/2000 10:02:09 PM Indiana 5044. AytchMan - 3/8/2000 3:53:46 AM Finally typed it in, the Fromage University Puzzle. 5045. AytchMan - 3/8/2000 3:57:17 AM Part 2. Xavier needs to reconstruct the locations of the six streets, the location of each of the 16 departments and the professor who heads each department. Can you help my good friend Xavier? We're confident you can. This is all Xavier can recall: 5046. AytchMan - 3/8/2000 3:58:52 AM Part 3. Part 4. 5048. ProfEmeritus - 3/8/2000 7:04:22 PM INDONESIA: All questions refer to Indonesia 5049. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 7:39:37 PM ProfE: 5050. ProfEmeritus - 3/8/2000 7:52:21 PM Irv 5051. profemeritus - 3/8/2000 8:12:10 PM I agree that some of those questions on Indonesia were unreasonable. Here are the answers to the few Irv didn't get: 5052. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:17:44 PM ProfE: 5053. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:20:11 PM ProfE: 5054. profemeritus - 3/8/2000 8:24:34 PM Here is a more reasonable quiz on Recent Times. 5055. AceofSpades - 3/8/2000 8:29:20 PM 5056. AceofSpades - 3/8/2000 8:29:44 PM 5057. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:33:57 PM 5. Smith 5058. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:35:52 PM 1. ETA 5059. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:37:24 PM 4. Chirac 5060. AceofSpades - 3/8/2000 8:39:33 PM 5061. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:39:34 PM That should be "12" for Dubcek. 5062. AceofSpades - 3/8/2000 8:41:07 PM 5063. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:41:53 PM And, while I'm correcting the answers of my eminent co-host, 11 should be "SAVAK." 5064. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:42:30 PM 2. Waite 5065. profemeritus - 3/8/2000 8:43:25 PM Ace 5066. profemeritus - 3/8/2000 8:51:51 PM Irv 5067. AceofSpades - 3/8/2000 8:53:16 PM 5068. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/8/2000 8:54:48 PM Interesting mnemonic device, Ace. 5069. AceofSpades - 3/8/2000 8:58:37 PM 5070. profemeritus - 3/8/2000 9:01:23 PM Remaining: 6, 7, and 13 unless I missed a guess or two. #4 was right, Irv. 5071. Jonesy - 3/8/2000 9:17:50 PM 7. TGV 5072. profemeritus - 3/8/2000 9:57:38 PM Jonesy 5073. Absensia - 3/8/2000 10:09:11 PM 7. TVG 5074. cmboyce - 3/8/2000 10:12:52 PM Message # 5069 5075. Absensia - 3/8/2000 10:14:20 PM 13. Menendez 5076. profemeritus - 3/8/2000 10:43:38 PM Jonesy and Abs 5077. Absensia - 3/9/2000 12:06:10 AM hmm, only other one I can think of is Galtieri for #13 5078. SnowOwl - 3/9/2000 2:18:21 AM 6. CND 5079. profemeritus - 3/9/2000 9:20:09 AM Snow Owl 5080. Dantheman - 3/9/2000 9:21:04 AM 13. Gen. Galtieri 5081. profemeritus - 3/9/2000 10:08:40 AM Dan 5082. profemeritus - 3/9/2000 10:13:03 AM Abs 5083. ProfEmeritus - 3/9/2000 11:40:17 AM EUROPEAN ECONOMIC INTEGRATION: tHE FIRST STAGES 5084. CalGal - 3/9/2000 12:16:31 PM 1. 1958(?) 5085. Indiana Jones - 3/9/2000 12:18:15 PM 10. I think this began to happen after the oil embargo (73-74) because so many U.S. dollars were going into Arab countries. 5086. ProfEmeritus - 3/9/2000 12:22:55 PM Cal Gal 5087. CalGal - 3/9/2000 12:31:54 PM Oh, good. I got called away and I thought more of these would be answered, but they're still here. 5088. Thoughtful - 3/9/2000 12:33:07 PM 10a. Bretton Woods first broke down in 1971 when the US decided to suspend convertibility of $ into gold. The G-10 met in 12/71 at the Smithsonian to ratify the 'Smithsonian Agreement' which allowed for a 10% devaluation of the $ and wider fluctuations instead of par values. 5089. CalGal - 3/9/2000 12:34:56 PM 6. I thought I read there were 15 members, but that seems small. 5090. Thoughtful - 3/9/2000 12:35:37 PM #6. Today's EU: France, Germany, Italy, UK, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain & Sweden 5091. Thoughtful - 3/9/2000 12:43:00 PM Actually, re #1, I thought the EEC was established at the Treaty of Rome on 3/25/57, not 58. 5092. Thoughtful - 3/9/2000 12:45:27 PM #5, 1967. 5093. Thoughtful - 3/9/2000 12:47:55 PM Ooops, I meant EEC became EC in 1967 -- that's #4. 5094. ProfEmeritus - 3/9/2000 12:48:00 PM Cal Gal 5095. Thoughtful - 3/9/2000 1:02:26 PM I think #5 is 1992 with the Treaty on European Union. 5096. Thoughtful - 3/9/2000 1:11:54 PM If I'm understanding the question correctly, #9 is the EMS, the European Monetary System which was created in '79 where they created the ECU European Currency Unit. 5097. ProfEmeritus - 3/9/2000 5:35:18 PM #6: CalGal gives the number correctly and Thoughtful names the countries. 5098. ProfEmeritus - 3/9/2000 5:44:10 PM Questions remaining (I think): 5099. Stumbo - 3/9/2000 11:54:47 PM Re the previous quiz: Honecker wasn't the last East German leader. Egon Krenz was the last Communist one; he was followed by a couple more temps (Manfred Gerlach and Sabine Bergman-Pohl, per Altavista), prior to reunification. 5100. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 12:05:21 AM 5101. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 12:09:41 AM You mean you didn't make it through law school? 5102. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 12:12:01 AM Ya shoulda fuckin memorized the stuff, Ace! 5103. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 12:53:30 AM 5104. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 12:55:56 AM 5105. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:03:23 AM Whoo hoo hoo! 5106. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 1:06:37 AM 5107. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:14:30 AM Who was Cato the Censor, famed legal authority? 5108. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:15:41 AM Nono. "... the Jeopardy Question... 5109. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:16:06 AM Anyway, give up? 5110. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 1:16:45 AM 5111. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:18:56 AM The answer is: 5112. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 1:28:23 AM 5113. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 1:28:45 AM 5114. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:34:57 AM A logic puzzle: 5115. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:36:48 AM Message # 5112 5116. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:37:43 AM 5117. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:40:47 AM Hey Ace, no hard feelings. How about a quiz? 5118. EricCartman - 3/10/2000 1:46:11 AM Mnemonic devices, Boyce? 5119. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 1:48:53 AM 5120. EricCartman - 3/10/2000 1:53:49 AM Heh heh. Hence the frequent allusions to sundresses, eh, Ace? 5121. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 1:55:18 AM 5122. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:56:15 AM Actually, "Oh Be a Good Girl Kiss Me Now" notates a sequence of stars, from Class O to Class N. But what that means I cannot imagine. 5123. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 1:56:53 AM 5124. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 1:59:49 AM Cartman, I should have observed that you are right on 1 & 3. And on "Every Good Boy Does Fine". The obvious variants are much preferable. 5125. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 2:00:40 AM 5126. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 2:01:55 AM 5127. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 2:06:45 AM 5128. EricCartman - 3/10/2000 2:10:28 AM ROY G BIV I remember. Please Excuse....nope. I honestly thought it was some sort of "Aunt Flo"-type of joke from the Redd Foxx archives. 5129. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 2:23:38 AM Yeah, ol' Roy. I wish I'd remembered him for the quizlet above. 5130. Stumbo - 3/10/2000 2:43:11 AM What about the CAST rule? If you don't know that, you don't know shit about math. (Or so I hear.) 5131. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:02:13 AM Great Big Dogs Fight Animals and All Cars Eat Gas was how I learned the bass clef. 5132. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:03:30 AM Is "swag" a common acronym? 5133. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 3:07:04 AM Stumbo: I, at least, don't and don't. 5134. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:08:57 AM 7) Elizabeth I 5135. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 3:09:56 AM Message # 5132 5136. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 3:11:58 AM And, Cal, right on 7. 5137. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:12:29 AM 8) Helen? 5138. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:13:17 AM Silly wild ass guess. It's a consulting term--refers to the usual bidding methodology. 5139. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:14:35 AM 5) Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley 5140. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:16:42 AM 4) Voltaire? 5141. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:18:12 AM 3) Ha! Bill Clinton. 5142. EricCartman - 3/10/2000 4:14:08 AM 2) Either Solomon or Absalom. I'd guess Solomon. 5143. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 9:54:54 AM Pretty good, Cal & Cartman, at least as far as it goes. 5144. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 9:57:44 AM Whoops, sorry Cal. NOT misspelled. I misread. 5145. Thoughtful - 3/10/2000 10:43:24 AM One I can remember is "A rat in the house may eat the ice cream." 5146. Indiana Jones - 3/10/2000 10:44:53 AM 9. John the Baptist 5147. CalGal - 3/10/2000 10:46:53 AM 5148. Thoughtful - 3/10/2000 10:53:32 AM ProfE, if you're still here. I was confused by the questions in your quiz --probably because I don't know enough about the evolution of currency system. There was the 1979 European Council where under efforts of Schmidt and d'Estaing, creating the EMS European Monetary System limiting fluctuations in European currencies with the ECU European Currency Unit. There was the Maastricht Treaty in 2/92 with the goal of creating the single currency, which was expanded by the Amsterdam Treaty in 6/97 which included ERM II. The single currency came into effect on 1/1/99. I don't have the questions now, and don't have the time to scroll back and refigure it all. But anyway, I wasn't sure exactly which of these were being referred to in your questions -- I guess because the answer to subsequent questions depended on correct answers to the prior ones. 5149. Raskolnikov - 3/10/2000 11:00:52 AM 6) Aphrodite, according to Homer (but according to Hesiod, who gave the most common version of Aphrodite's origins, she was born out of the "foam" that arose when Uranus' castrated genitalia were thrown into the sea by his son Cronos). 5150. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 11:45:11 AM Alright, Moties!! Cal got the rest of 8; Indiana got J the B; and Rask got Venus on the half-shell (and thanks for the addendum). There remains only Talleyrand's bastard son, and if no one's addressed it by after-lunch sometime, I'll reveal all. 5151. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 11:48:57 AM Message # 5145 5152. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/10/2000 11:49:56 AM Another mnemonic device. Is anyone familiar with this one? 5153. Indiana Jones - 3/10/2000 11:52:05 AM I was going to guess Josephine for Talleyrand, but if it's a son I guess not. 5154. Raskolnikov - 3/10/2000 12:05:11 PM "HOMES" 5155. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/10/2000 12:08:01 PM Bingo, Rask. 5156. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 12:19:34 PM cranial nerves 5157. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 12:27:02 PM Arteries of the Head and Neck. But don't bother unless you're really interested; it's an immense list. Unmnemonicizable, at least in this form. (How many words have you seen lately with "nmn" in them?) 5158. theDiva - 3/10/2000 12:28:59 PM unmnemonicizable? 5159. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 12:33:47 PM If anyone is interested in teaching themselves medicine (or in looking up stuff), here is a wonderful list of links, apparently assembled by a med student. Everything from genetics to pharmacology. 5160. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 12:35:39 PM Diva, I confess. I made it with my little unmnemonicizer (with which to manufacture unmemorizable and almost useless words 5161. theDiva - 3/10/2000 12:44:47 PM Ha! Actually, I was going to spring that one on Gracie - I give her pop spelling quizzes occasionally. 5162. theDiva - 3/10/2000 12:46:09 PM btw, fabulous link. My Nobel Laureate-in-training will love it. Thanks. 5163. tmachine - 3/10/2000 2:09:37 PM finally found it! 5164. SpenceMirrlees - 3/10/2000 2:45:47 PM Dumb King Philip came over from Greece sailing 5165. Thoughtful - 3/10/2000 2:51:58 PM I didn't think the rat in the house one needed explanation: 5166. Thoughtful - 3/10/2000 2:52:33 PM How 'bout 5167. ProfEmeritus - 3/10/2000 3:06:43 PM Thoughtful 5168. CalGal - 3/10/2000 3:10:05 PM Prof, 5169. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 3:52:15 PM Message # 5162 5170. cmboyce - 3/10/2000 3:57:19 PM Sheesh! All that mucking about in the keyboard figuring out how to make an umlaut, and I made it on the wrong letter. 5171. Thoughtful - 3/10/2000 4:40:06 PM ProfE, and I learned how much I didn't know about European integration....whether it's a female thing or not (some suggest it is) I don't tend to approach the world with a defined timeline. Used to drive a fellow I worked with crazy because every day of the week he'd come in asking, "What was today in history!" Then he'd give clues like it was 1564. I'd have no idea --until he mentioned the event and then I'd know it. Just not by the time line. 5172. tmachine - 3/10/2000 4:48:46 PM cmboyce--there are probably a lot of confused stories out there, the Mme de Staël one being one of them. The suggestion was in the bio of Talleyrand in some French fan site of him I found. He definitely fathered another illegitimate son (Charles de Flahaut, who went on to be an aide to Napoleon and father of some count on the wrong side of the blanket with Queen Hortense). Also may have had a couple of little girls too. The Charles de Flahaut happened while Talleyrand was still Bishop of Autun!!! what a guy. 5173. Thoughtful - 3/10/2000 5:42:58 PM On female vs. male thinking styles, several weeks back, there were some articles criticizing the diversity of contestants, or lack thereof, on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" show. The process for becoming a contestant has to do with dialing in and then being among the first to answer correctly. Many questions require rank ordering events such as putting 4 oscar-winning films in order from earliest to latest. Some suggest that women's reaction time is slower. Some criticized this as, unlike the qualifying rounds, the final round allows the contestant as much time to answer and allows for several choices for help. Others suggest that sequencing is something men tend to be better at. 5174. profemeritus - 3/10/2000 6:46:15 PM Thoughtful 5175. Angel-Five - 3/10/2000 7:15:40 PM King Philip Calmly Obliterated Five German Ships 5176. Angel-Five - 3/10/2000 7:19:50 PM On Old Olypmus's Lofty Tops A Greek and German Brewed Some Hops. 5177. AceofSpades - 3/10/2000 7:23:46 PM 5178. SpenceMirrlees - 3/10/2000 9:01:29 PM The D in dumb is for Domain. 5179. JayAckroyd - 3/11/2000 5:46:24 PM brenschluss is when the rocket goes ballistic--the thrust stops firing. 5180. JayAckroyd - 3/11/2000 5:48:12 PM Forget that last. Implemented bookmarks for the first time, and got terribly confused. 5181. AceofSpades - 3/11/2000 6:20:37 PM 5182. SpenceMirrlees - 3/11/2000 7:21:53 PM what do you mean by "kind"? Lizard, snake, skink...that sort of thing? 5183. SnowOwl - 3/11/2000 7:26:26 PM I have no idea of scientific classifications, but common "kinds" are 5184. Indiana Jones - 3/11/2000 7:26:43 PM Four kinds of amphibians? frogs, toads, newts, and salamanders 5185. Indiana Jones - 3/11/2000 7:29:02 PM Some differences: toads cause warts and sit on toadstools in a faerie ring. Frogs turn into princes when kissed. 5186. SnowOwl - 3/11/2000 7:33:02 PM Hell, I must have been kissing toads by mistake all my life. 5187. AceofSpades - 3/11/2000 7:42:42 PM 5188. AceofSpades - 3/11/2000 7:50:03 PM 5189. Jonesatlaw - 3/14/2000 12:54:55 AM Ace- generally Toads have "warty" skin, and frogs have slick smooth skins. Both frogs and toads have posionous defenses- "poison arrow frogs" from Central and South America are brightly colored little fellows who are highly poisonous. 5190. cmboyce - 3/14/2000 1:27:50 AM What are "tuaturas"? 5191. SpenceMirrlees - 3/14/2000 1:46:05 AM it's tuatara, not tuatura -- they are reptile varmints, maybe a couple feet long, that predate dinosaurs and haven't changed much since the latter's extinction. They live down New Zealand way and look a lot like lizards. 5192. Jonesatlaw - 3/14/2000 1:50:38 AM Sorry Spense- my typing, not the boy wonder's mistake. Tuataras are living fossils- lizard like, but more primitive. I understand that they emerged in the era of the dinosaurs and are still around. 5193. Jonesatlaw - 3/14/2000 1:53:33 AM Here's a star spangled quiz- 5194. cmboyce - 3/14/2000 2:08:04 AM 1. 88 5195. cmboyce - 3/14/2000 2:09:18 AM 5196. cmboyce - 3/14/2000 2:10:17 AM 5195 was supposed to begin as follows: 5197. Jonesatlaw - 3/14/2000 2:17:16 AM Cmboyce- Exactly right! The answer to the last one is tricky, because although Hawaii joined the Union in 1959, the additional star was added on July 4, 1960. Thus, a 39 year old could be born after there were 50 states, but before there were 50 stars. 5198. Angel-Five - 3/14/2000 3:52:21 AM Boyce: The first one is Kingdom Phylum Class.... 5199. cmboyce - 3/14/2000 10:03:27 AM Message # 5197 Wow, Jones, I certainly can't claim to have been thus subtle. I was thinking admission the whole time, thought Hawaii to have been admitted in 1960 (do I understand, then, that Hawaii and Alaska were admitted simultaneously, like AZ and NM? Why, then, the delay in embroidery?) and subtracted. 5200. Thoughtful - 3/14/2000 11:06:16 AM What's a tuatara? I thought that's where Scarlett O'Hara went after Atlanta burned. 5201. ProfEmeritus - 3/14/2000 12:40:37 PM EUROPEAN ECONOMIC INTEGRATION: CONTINUED 5202. PelleNilsson - 3/14/2000 2:28:58 PM ProfE 5203. profemeritus - 3/14/2000 7:30:37 PM Pelle 5204. profemeritus - 3/14/2000 8:06:37 PM Pelle 5205. PelleNilsson - 3/15/2000 1:09:43 AM I beg to disagree on #6. The operative word is ratified. In Denmark ratification was through referendum. 5206. OhioSTOPAS - 3/16/2000 3:50:25 PM The answer is: Moe, Shemp and Curly were brothers. 5207. profemeritus - 3/19/2000 1:16:18 PM Answers to Message # 5201: 5208. CalGal - 3/19/2000 1:22:10 PM Hey, I missed this one. But I think I would only have gotten #5. 5209. theDiva - 3/20/2000 1:53:13 PM Quickie Quiz: 5210. theDiva - 3/20/2000 2:06:47 PM Don't everybody answer at once. 5211. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 3:10:32 PM Well, #1 is "Duke" Ellington. 5212. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:11:37 PM Good going, CM. 5213. AceofSpades - 3/20/2000 3:13:52 PM 5214. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:14:41 PM No, Ace. Trumpet. Trane played sax. 5215. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 3:17:02 PM Dizzy Gillespie? 5216. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:17:29 PM And CM wins the triple crown! 5217. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 3:25:13 PM Yay! Thanks. 5218. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:29:26 PM 1. Cello! Wow. Don't know. 5219. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 3:37:57 PM Very nice, Deev (as is to be expected, of course). 5220. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:39:10 PM 1. Duh. How stupid could I be? Slam Stewart. 5221. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:44:29 PM And given his eclecticism and genius, the Black SAint, too, Charles Mingus. 5222. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 3:55:42 PM I remember Slam Stewart's name, as a bassist. In L. Feather he is not said to have played anything else, and he's not the guy I'm thinking of. 5223. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:57:20 PM Lordy, I give up. Who? And what about the accordion? 5224. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 3:57:49 PM Oh, the accordianist. No, not Jimmy Smith (though I'm sure he could have!) I used to have a Blue Note album of his; I wonder if it's on CD? 5225. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:58:34 PM well, I'm stumped. 5226. theDiva - 3/20/2000 3:58:53 PM My dad would know these. 5227. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 4:17:17 PM The cellist is one Fred Katz (I had to look him up to get his first name), who played with Chico Hamilton (and I just looked him up and got the movie: Jazz on a Summer's Day (1960)). My girlfriend adored Katz because he could both pluck the instrument and bow it, simultaneously. I think. The other cellist is Oscar Pettiford, who plays it on several cuts of at least a couple of discs. 5228. theDiva - 3/20/2000 4:19:31 PM Cool! What neat questions. I really should have known about Oscar Pettiford. I think there was one other jazz accordianist, Tony Gummina, who played with Buddy DeFranco. I just looked it up. 5229. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 4:26:13 PM Maybe Buddy was a polka fan. 5230. theDiva - 3/20/2000 4:29:41 PM I wasn't too surprised to see that he'd used accordians, actually. Lots of Italian-American households of that era had children trained in the use of the accordian. 5231. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 4:41:39 PM Now that you mention it, I do think of the accordian as a quite European phenomenon. BTW, don't you think Tony Gummina's a wonderful name for an Italian accordianist? 5232. theDiva - 3/20/2000 4:43:47 PM Absolutely! 5233. ProfEmeritus - 3/20/2000 4:48:37 PM Times Past#2 5234. CalGal - 3/20/2000 4:52:05 PM 10. Delphi 5235. theDiva - 3/20/2000 4:52:30 PM 3. Rouen 5236. CalGal - 3/20/2000 4:52:35 PM 15. Corday 5237. CalGal - 3/20/2000 4:53:17 PM 4. China? 5238. theDiva - 3/20/2000 4:54:26 PM 5. pogrom 5239. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 4:55:18 PM Wingy Manone, Louis Prima, Dodo Marmoroso (sp?), Red Norvo maybe .... 5240. CalGal - 3/20/2000 4:55:21 PM 14. Rurik? 5241. CalGal - 3/20/2000 4:55:44 PM 7. Octavius 5242. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 4:56:11 PM Whoops! 5243. CalGal - 3/20/2000 4:57:01 PM 11. Wilhelm 5244. theDiva - 3/20/2000 4:57:04 PM CM, you are a seriously cool person. 5245. JJBiener - 3/20/2000 5:00:25 PM 6 Kahn 5246. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 5:00:51 PM 2) Castile 5247. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 5:03:02 PM Why, thank you, Diva. (blush, blush) 5248. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 5:05:29 PM 3) Rouen? 5249. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 5:08:06 PM The Black Death country is a puzzler. I thought it is only known to have come via the Black Sea, but I can't think of a country in 5 letters thereabouts. But maybe Cal's China is it. (I gotta think more expansively!) 5250. Raskolnikov - 3/20/2000 5:08:10 PM 1) Timbuktu 5251. Raskolnikov - 3/20/2000 5:09:28 PM 9) Weimar 5252. cmboyce - 3/20/2000 5:17:15 PM Agh, Weimar! Good one, Rask; I don't see how I missed that. (I wonder how many more of those in my too-hastily assembled list?) 5253. ProfEmeritus - 3/20/2000 5:43:00 PM #12 is the only one left unanswered. 5254. Absensia - 3/20/2000 6:47:03 PM 12. Thebes? 5255. profemeritus - 3/20/2000 7:57:48 PM Absensia 5256. Stumbo - 3/20/2000 8:22:51 PM That defn. of "pogrom" is terrible, BTW. A "purge" is when people are fired from their jobs, or arrested (and then possibly shot), by the state; it's organized and orderly, with little overt violence. A pogrom involves a mob rampaging through a neighborhood or village, looting, smashing, and/or setting fire to homes and stores, and beating and killing the inhabitants. 5257. DanDillon - 3/20/2000 8:25:51 PM You all are way too fast. The quiz was devoured before I even got here! Nice going. 5258. theDiva - 3/21/2000 8:35:33 AM Hold up! I answered #5 in 5238. 5259. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 10:45:54 AM Diva 5260. theDiva - 3/21/2000 10:48:48 AM oh, it's okay. Your son isn't here and I needed someone to tease, so you were next in line. 5261. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 7:35:03 PM Food and Drink 5262. SnowOwl - 3/21/2000 7:42:33 PM 4. Stilton 5263. CalGal - 3/21/2000 7:43:58 PM 2. polenta 5264. SnowOwl - 3/21/2000 7:44:23 PM 1. retsina? 5265. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 7:44:25 PM Snow Owl 5266. CalGal - 3/21/2000 7:44:32 PM Rats, I can't type fast enough. 5267. SnowOwl - 3/21/2000 7:47:33 PM Heavens PP, I've got no idea although I often make it - not to sober up drunks, but because we like it. My recipe is from a South African friend and it seems to be something of a national dish there. 5268. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 7:48:15 PM CalGal 5269. Absensia - 3/21/2000 7:49:46 PM 6. kir 5270. CalGal - 3/21/2000 7:50:25 PM 1. Pernod? 5271. SnowOwl - 3/21/2000 7:50:34 PM Sorry, ProfE, I got my profs mixed up and addressed you wrongly. Please tell me what bobotie means. 5272. Candide - 3/21/2000 7:50:51 PM 1. A Greek liqueur which is flavored with anise.=Ouzo 5273. CalGal - 3/21/2000 7:51:09 PM 1. No, no. Ouzo. What was I thinking? 5274. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 7:51:24 PM Abs 5275. CalGal - 3/21/2000 7:51:48 PM And Candide beat me by 20 seconds. Dammit, I can't believe I missed ouzo. 5276. hashke - 3/21/2000 7:51:55 PM Pak Gurubesar: 5277. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/21/2000 7:55:08 PM 14. Uijtsmijter (or whatever the spelling is). 5278. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 7:59:01 PM Candide 5279. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/21/2000 8:02:38 PM On second thought, I believe the spelling is Uitsmijter. 5280. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 8:02:43 PM Pak hashke 5281. IrvingSnodgrass - 3/21/2000 8:04:17 PM Prof: 5282. ProfEmeritus - 3/21/2000 8:04:39 PM Only #11 remains. Any more guesses? 5283. SnowOwl - 3/21/2000 8:06:24 PM 11. praline? 5284. Candide - 3/21/2000 8:06:38 PM Profemeritus 5285. hashke - 3/21/2000 8:10:04 PM Pak Gurubesar: 5286. Candide - 3/21/2000 8:11:35 PM (11) Praline? 5287. Candide - 3/21/2000 8:14:19 PM SnowOwl got praline too. Two great minds can't be wrong - can they? 5288. profemeritus - 3/21/2000 8:16:46 PM Snow Owl and Candide 5289. Candide - 3/21/2000 8:21:11 PM Profemeritus 5290. Candide - 3/21/2000 8:27:02 PM Thanks profemeritus for the challenge. 5291. profemeritus - 3/21/2000 8:32:23 PM Pak hashke 5292. hashke - 3/21/2000 8:44:51 PM Pak Gurubesar: 5293. SnowOwl - 3/21/2000 9:47:00 PM ProfE, 5294. hashke - 3/21/2000 9:50:06 PM Pak Gurubesar: 5295. Candide - 3/21/2000 10:02:18 PM I feel this is the moment to revive a queasy memory of the 1960s English Debutante's dinner-party menu. It was heart, bowel and mind-clogging consistent from start to finish. 5296. hashke - 3/21/2000 11:26:04 PM Candide: 5297. Candide - 3/22/2000 12:08:33 AM hashke 5298. Candide - 3/22/2000 12:09:39 AM guestS 5299. profemeritus - 3/22/2000 10:27:58 AM Re the Food and Drink quiz: you guys are terrific. You got them all before I could even say uitsmijter. 5300. theDiva - 3/22/2000 3:01:51 PM cm 5301. cmboyce - 3/22/2000 7:34:38 PM Oh yeah! I'd forgotten him too! 5302. ScottLoar - 3/22/2000 8:35:35 PM Flugelhorn? 5303. SnowOwl - 3/22/2000 8:54:28 PM French horn 5304. CalGal - 3/22/2000 9:46:28 PM No, flugelhorn is the weird curled up trumpet, isn't it? With the horn going out at an angle? 5305. CalGal - 3/22/2000 9:53:26 PM 5306. cmboyce - 3/23/2000 2:50:55 AM SnowOwl got the French horn. Do you know the record, SnowOwl? 5307. cmboyce - 3/23/2000 2:54:39 AM The horn going out at an angle is Dizzy Gillespie's particular horn (a cornet, I believe; Diva will know) (though I think some other players now use one like it), that I've read was "designed" when someone sat on his regular horn! It still worked, and he liked it, so .... 5308. theDiva - 3/23/2000 9:13:33 AM I need a copy of Birth of the Cool. That was an interesting period in Miles' career. WRT Diz's trumpet, the bend was indeed an accident. He was jamming after hours and put his horn on a stand (bell down) to go off somewhere. Some horseplay ensued at one point, and the horn bent on the stand. He came back, executed a few runs, decided he liked the sound, and had his horns made that way ever after. 5309. ProfEmeritus - 3/23/2000 7:09:38 PM Ec 1 Quiz (Professional economists should abstain temporarily) 5310. Indiana Jones - 3/23/2000 7:11:28 PM 1. Laffer 5311. Indiana Jones - 3/23/2000 7:13:40 PM 4. Consumer price index 5312. ProfEmeritus - 3/23/2000 7:15:53 PM Indiana 5313. Indiana Jones - 3/23/2000 7:16:24 PM 2. Phillips Curve 5314. Indiana Jones - 3/23/2000 7:19:53 PM 9. M? 5315. ProfEmeritus - 3/23/2000 7:30:16 PM Indiana 5316. Max Macks - 3/26/2000 12:37:07 PM Prof. # 3. every country in Europe, The Czech Rep. 5317. profemeritus - 3/26/2000 1:17:06 PM Max 5318. PelleNilsson - 3/26/2000 2:50:24 PM Dollarization 5319. Thoughtful - 3/26/2000 5:08:53 PM ProfE -- should've clarified IJ's answer in #5. The discount rate is the rate which banks pay to borrow from the Fed's discount window... the Fed funds rate is the overnight rate banks charge each other. They are not the same thing, and the Fed will raise or lower rates without necessarily changing the discount rate, though they usually don't let the two get too far out of range of each other. 5320. Thoughtful - 3/26/2000 5:11:18 PM I don't understand questions 7 & 10... 5321. Max Macks - 3/26/2000 11:16:52 PM 5317 5322. ProfEmeritus - 3/27/2000 2:40:12 PM Pelle 5323. PelleNilsson - 3/27/2000 2:55:47 PM ProfE 5324. Thoughtful - 3/27/2000 3:02:15 PM ProfE, Re #7, My MIT Dictionary of Modern Economics defines fiscal drag as: 5325. Indiana Jones - 3/27/2000 3:11:19 PM If it's precisely opposite, then I guess it's depreciation. I must have misread the question. 5326. profemeritus - 3/27/2000 3:31:43 PM Pelle 5327. profemeritus - 3/27/2000 3:43:06 PM Indiana 5328. PelleNilsson - 3/27/2000 3:43:30 PM Regarding Liberia I said "has been legal tender" and I referred to the period before the civil war. 5329. profemeritus - 3/27/2000 3:56:07 PM Pelle 5330. PelleNilsson - 3/27/2000 4:18:04 PM ProfE 5331. Thoughtful - 3/27/2000 4:33:53 PM Pelle, According to the IMF, there are 37 countries using "Exchange arrangements with no separate legal tender" (which is not necessarily using the US$). They are Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, Panama, San Marino. Also the East Caribbean Common Market (Antigau & Barbud, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts & Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent & the Grenadines), the West African Economic Monetary Union (Benin, Burkina Faso, Cote d'Ivoire, Guinea-Bissau, Mali, Niger, Senegal & Togo) and the Central African Economic and Monetary Community (Cameroon, C. African Rep., Chad, Congo, Equat. Guinea, & Gabon). They list the Euro Area as "Other" as they will still accept local currency until 2002. 5332. PelleNilsson - 3/27/2000 4:41:30 PM thoughtful 5333. ProfEmeritus - 3/27/2000 5:06:54 PM Pelle 5334. Thoughtful - 3/27/2000 5:09:00 PM ProfE, I thought some more about it and, not giving me a warm and fuzzy feeling, is the realization that MIT dictionary must be wrong --that definition is what we commonly call bracket creep, where inflation pushes people into higher tax brackets so they face a higher tax rate without an increase in real incomes. Of course, I accept D&F's definition. 5335. ProfEmeritus - 3/27/2000 5:14:16 PM Thoughtful 5336. Thoughtful - 3/27/2000 5:32:46 PM ProfE, thanks for the link on dollarization. Pelle & ProfE, obviously my ignorance, especially of international economics, is hanging out like a sore thumb (or some other body part). I was thinking of dollarizing -- or francizing -- or what have you as requiring a country to officially forego the use of a local currency...something much more severe than a pegged exchange rate or a currency board. For example, Argentina is already pegged and with a currency board to the $, but are discussing dollarizing. By that, I guess they are talking about officially dollarizing as opposed to how they are doing it now. 5337. profemeritus - 3/27/2000 6:27:37 PM Pelle 5338. ProfEmeritus - 3/28/2000 12:00:48 PM Three questions remain from the quiz posted in Message # 5309: #6,8 and 9. I will give the correct answers tomorrow if no gets them. 5339. Indiana Jones - 3/28/2000 12:03:44 PM ProfE: #6 could be related to the multiplier effect??? 5340. profemeritus - 3/28/2000 12:26:39 PM Indiana 5341. Thoughtful - 3/28/2000 12:51:43 PM Well, I'll nab 8 & 9 since they've been outstanding so long....I-S and L-M curves....which should not be confused with LSMFT. 5342. profemeritus - 3/28/2000 12:55:53 PM Thoughtful 5343. profemeritus - 3/29/2000 12:26:17 PM Pelle 5344. Thoughtful - 3/29/2000 1:04:30 PM See Ecuador story . 5345. profemeritus - 3/29/2000 3:52:50 PM Thoughtful 5346. Thoughtful - 3/31/2000 10:23:23 AM Today I'm celebrating my birthday and thought I'd offer up a "This Day in History" thread -- looking back on those ancient years makes me feel a little younger. 5347. Dantheman - 3/31/2000 10:25:53 AM 1. Spain-- Ferdinand and Isabella 5348. Dantheman - 3/31/2000 10:26:40 AM 7. true --they were called Haydn Seek (g) 5349. Dantheman - 3/31/2000 10:27:08 AM 5. Daylight savings time. 5350. JudithAtHome - 3/31/2000 10:32:49 AM #4. Richard Chamberlain as Dr. Kildare or the guy who played Ben Casey. 5351. Thoughtful - 3/31/2000 10:40:12 AM Dan You got 1, 5 & 7; Judithah, you got 3 out of 4. 5352. Indiana Jones - 3/31/2000 10:50:33 AM 3. Bunsen 5353. Indiana Jones - 3/31/2000 10:52:09 AM 8. Pickwick Papers? (don't know other name) 5354. Indiana Jones - 3/31/2000 10:55:30 AM 6. Based on geography, I'll guess Nepal? And the prize seems recent...1997? 5355. Thoughtful - 3/31/2000 10:59:13 AM IJones, #3is Bunsen -- Robert Wilhelm Eberhard von Bunsen. 5356. Thoughtful - 3/31/2000 1:06:45 PM IJones, sorry not Nepal and wrong year for the prize. Try again. 5357. Dusty - 3/31/2000 1:08:27 PM I thought it was India 5358. SnowOwl - 3/31/2000 1:39:23 PM 6. India, 1989 5359. Thoughtful - 3/31/2000 1:58:55 PM Thanks SnowOwl, and right you are, but Dusty got India first. 5360. Thoughtful - 3/31/2000 2:08:12 PM Charliel in the Cafe nailed #4 actor as Vince Edwards. I saw him in something else years later and he did not age well. 5361. EricCartman - 3/31/2000 5:14:15 PM 2. Kanagawa Treaty 5362. Wombat - 3/31/2000 5:18:10 PM Eiffel also worked on the Statue of Liberty. 5363. Thoughtful - 4/2/2000 9:31:02 AM Eric got the Kanagawa Treaty and I'll give him close-enough credit for the height of the Eiffel tower which is actually 984 feet high. 5364. Indiana Jones - 4/2/2000 10:55:46 AM I know the pseud: Boz. 5365. tmachine - 4/3/2000 10:47:44 AM It's Sketches by Boz 5366. PelleNilsson - 4/3/2000 11:00:31 AM Bob and Alice haven't met for many years. Bob is now married and has three children. 5367. Dantheman - 4/3/2000 11:02:33 AM Pelle, 5368. PelleNilsson - 4/3/2000 11:22:58 AM Good show DanTM! 5369. Thoughtful - 4/3/2000 1:18:47 PM IJ, you got Boz first. On the full name of the Pickwick Papers -- I'm reluctant to disagree with tmach since she knows her stuff, but what I was looking for was, "The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club." 5370. Raskolnikov - 4/3/2000 1:39:28 PM re: 5366 5371. Dantheman - 4/3/2000 1:42:47 PM Rask, 5372. Raskolnikov - 4/3/2000 1:53:47 PM OK, I missed that step in the logic. Still, you have to admit that it is quite possible to have two kids that are both two years old. "Youngest" really doesn't tell you anything, since even with twins, one is always younger than the other, as mothers don't give birth to both babies simultaneously. 5373. Dantheman - 4/3/2000 1:57:40 PM Rask, 5374. janjon - 4/5/2000 1:58:02 PM I have a set of friends who are twins who were born on separate days. Confused the hell out of all of us when we were little since the mother had separate birthday parties for the kids several years. Same decor, same guest list, same everything except the day. Stupid. 5375. cmboyce - 4/5/2000 5:04:11 PM This last New Year's, there was a pair of twins somewhere that were born on different days, months, years, centuries, and millenia. 5376. Raskolnikov - 4/5/2000 5:07:54 PM I think there was more than one pair. I recall a local dad saying "I got the best of both worlds, a tax deduction for 1999 and one of the first babies for 2000!" 5377. PelleNilsson - 4/7/2000 3:42:15 PM Cities sometimes change names because of history. Sometimes they have different names in different languages. The list below includes instances of both. By what names would we normally refer to them? 5378. Dusty - 4/7/2000 3:46:32 PM 5. Stockholm? 5379. PelleNilsson - 4/7/2000 3:53:22 PM Dusty 5380. Dusty - 4/7/2000 3:55:10 PM oops. 5381. CalGal - 4/7/2000 3:59:19 PM 3. Jerusalem? 5382. Dusty - 4/7/2000 4:00:55 PM I assume 10 is some place in Yugoslavia that has changed its name, but I don't have a clue as to the current name. 5383. Dusty - 4/7/2000 4:03:16 PM Smyrna brings back memories, as my first girlfriend was from Smyrna, although not the one you are asking about (Turkey?) 5384. PelleNilsson - 4/7/2000 4:16:39 PM No to Copenhagen. 5385. Wombat - 4/7/2000 4:19:29 PM 1.Adrianople = Edirne 5386. PelleNilsson - 4/7/2000 4:37:27 PM Wombat is in fine form. 5387. Wombat - 4/7/2000 4:39:22 PM Pelle: 5388. Wombat - 4/7/2000 4:41:20 PM Pressburg = Bratislava 5389. Indiana Jones - 4/7/2000 4:43:18 PM "Ykaterinburg...where Yeltsin comes from." 5390. PelleNilsson - 4/7/2000 4:47:41 PM Wombat 5391. Wombat - 4/7/2000 4:54:31 PM Pelle: 5392. Indiana Jones - 4/7/2000 4:58:59 PM 1.Bull Run 5393. Wombat - 4/7/2000 5:07:14 PM Indy: 5394. dusty - 4/8/2000 5:26:34 PM Wombat 5395. Wombat - 4/9/2000 4:02:39 PM 3. Stones River 5396. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 10:15:30 AM 5397. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 10:17:27 AM 5398. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2000 10:24:19 AM 5. Was the Ted Knight vehicle, but it's name was too inocuous for me to remember. Something like "Too Close for Comfort," but I think that was another bad show. 5399. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 10:30:17 AM 5400. Dusty - 4/10/2000 10:33:12 AM I remember that train. I'm happy to say I can't answer any of the questions. 5401. CalGal - 4/10/2000 11:02:01 AM 3) Stunt man and bounty hunter 5402. CalGal - 4/10/2000 11:04:59 AM 9) Is that the one with Richard Benjamin? Can't think of the name. 5403. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 11:20:04 AM 5404. ButterfieldSwire - 4/10/2000 11:27:21 AM Quark 5405. CalGal - 4/10/2000 11:28:04 AM That's it. Quark. 5406. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 11:29:05 AM 5407. ButterfieldSwire - 4/10/2000 11:30:59 AM Simon & Simon, The Associates, The Regal Beagle, Pink Lady and Jeff 5408. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 11:31:43 AM 5409. Indiana Jones - 4/10/2000 11:34:48 AM I'm glad someone came up with Pink Lady & Jeff. I knew it was something like that, but Tony Orlando and Dawn were stored in the same brain cell and wouldn't let it escape. 5410. jonesatlaw - 4/10/2000 4:03:38 PM 15 Silver Streak? 5411. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 4:26:38 PM 5412. OhioSTOPAS - 4/10/2000 5:06:29 PM 15) Supertrain 5413. OhioSTOPAS - 4/10/2000 5:07:12 PM 7) The Duck Factory 5414. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 5:08:54 PM 5415. OhioSTOPAS - 4/10/2000 5:13:11 PM (4) is the show where the main characters are waitresses; Ann Jillian and Susan whatshername (Sullivan? Greg's mother on "Dharma and Greg") starred. It's "It's A Living" or "Making A Living". 5416. AceofSpades - 4/10/2000 5:24:02 PM 5417. OhioSTOPAS - 4/11/2000 5:37:10 PM Inspired by the "F Troop" discussion in the Cafe, here's a quick quiz: 5418. CalGal - 4/11/2000 5:45:32 PM 1. Jane 5419. AceofSpades - 4/11/2000 5:46:25 PM 5420. CalGal - 4/11/2000 5:47:06 PM 4. Fort Courage 5421. CalGal - 4/11/2000 5:51:26 PM I didn't see Maverick all that often; I'm more familiar with Rockford files. 5422. OhioSTOPAS - 4/11/2000 5:52:24 PM 1) Incomplete. It was [something] Jane. 5423. CalGal - 4/11/2000 5:56:27 PM Oh, it's Bulldog Jane, or Badass Jane, or something like that. 5424. OhioSTOPAS - 4/11/2000 6:01:19 PM Any show would benefit by having a character named "Badass Jane", but that's not it. 5425. Fraaankster - 4/11/2000 6:18:56 PM Sheesh, Ohio, why not ask what was the Skipper's real character name ? All I remember about F-Troop was the blond tease, Melody Patterson. What else was there to follow on that show ? 5426. JJBiener - 4/11/2000 6:57:30 PM Frank - Alan Hale played the Skipper whose real name was Jonas Grumby (maybe). 5427. JJBiener - 4/11/2000 6:58:29 PM 3. Bull Run 5428. OhioSTOPAS - 4/11/2000 8:38:19 PM 3. Nope, not Bull Run. 5429. Fraaankster - 4/12/2000 5:19:18 AM I'm about to hit the sack, and just take a guess who I'm gonna possibly be dreaming about tonight? You guessed it! 5430. OhioSTOPAS - 4/12/2000 9:43:55 PM "F Troop" killed the Quiz Thread! 5431. jonesatlaw - 4/13/2000 1:06:44 AM Easy quiz- 5432. jonesatlaw - 4/13/2000 1:11:29 AM 9. L. Ron Hubbard, Marlin Brando, Harold Lloyd 5433. jonesatlaw - 4/13/2000 1:58:33 AM 7 should include "Robert Rauchenberg" 5434. CalGal - 4/13/2000 2:01:58 AM 5. Minnesota 5435. CalGal - 4/13/2000 2:05:24 AM 6. Kansas 5436. EricCartman - 4/13/2000 2:14:46 AM 4. Hawaii 5437. jonesatlaw - 4/13/2000 2:23:47 AM Cal has 6, 8, and 10. Cart has 4 5438. EricCartman - 4/13/2000 2:46:51 AM 2. Minnesota 5439. OhioSTOPAS - 4/13/2000 6:12:13 AM 1. Virginia 5440. jonesatlaw - 4/13/2000 11:36:09 AM Cartman has 2, Ohio has 1. 5441. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/13/2000 12:09:06 PM 5. South Dakota 5442. EricCartman - 4/13/2000 12:19:58 PM Jeez....there's still more than one Dakota? Why??? Like the Carolinas, what's the point? Slap 'em together into one good one, cut the administrative bill in half, and move on. 5443. theDiva - 4/13/2000 12:36:50 PM 3. Iowa 5444. jonesatlaw - 4/13/2000 2:53:30 PM Diva and Irv and correct. 7 and 9 remain. Hint: there are moties "at" each state. 5445. PelleNilsson - 4/14/2000 9:23:51 AM 5446. theDiva - 4/14/2000 9:26:40 AM Irving. 5447. PelleNilsson - 4/14/2000 9:29:25 AM No. 5448. theDiva - 4/14/2000 9:34:19 AM You are so stern. 5449. PelleNilsson - 4/14/2000 9:47:13 AM Diva 5450. theDiva - 4/14/2000 9:49:32 AM Pelle 5451. tmachine - 4/14/2000 11:17:50 AM 7, Texas, 9--California? 5452. tmachine - 4/14/2000 11:19:50 AM no, no, sorry, apparently 9 is--Nebraska! Brando was born in Omaha...no wonder he wanted to get to hollywood 5453. jonesatlaw - 4/14/2000 12:13:28 PM tmachine- right! Watch those cracks about Nebraska- half of California is sunburned Okies Jayhawks and Huskers. 5454. tmachine - 4/14/2000 12:55:30 PM ok, jones, just a mild joke... 5455. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/14/2000 1:02:08 PM tm: 5456. Wombat - 4/14/2000 1:03:46 PM Kansas 5457. jonesatlaw - 4/14/2000 2:05:13 PM tmachine- no problem! My father and uncle lived in California during the great depression for a while, and were prepetually the new kids in school. After the inevitble fight to fit my uncle in the pecking order, he explained what happened to grandma. "He called me an Okie, and I didn't know what that was. Then he called me a sonofabitch, and I knew what that was so I punched him in the nose." 5458. PelleNilsson - 4/14/2000 2:11:17 PM 5459. Dusty - 4/14/2000 2:37:14 PM PelleNilsson 5460. PelleNilsson - 4/14/2000 5:15:31 PM Looks like Dusty killed it. But anyhow: 5461. PelleNilsson - 4/15/2000 8:48:26 AM I'm unlucky with my quizzes. Either they are cleared in one fell swoop as Wombat did with the old names of cities, or they fail to attract interest as this one. 5462. DanDillon - 4/15/2000 10:08:31 AM Before the Reformation, the city of Nidaros was an important pilgrimage place in nothern Europe. Current name? 5463. PelleNilsson - 4/15/2000 10:44:00 AM Right Dan. The cathedral there houses the relics of St Olaf who converted the Norwegians by the sword. He is one of only two Scandinavian saints. The other one is St Birgitta. There is a little, very little, something on her at the end of this piece. 5464. Indiana Jones - 4/15/2000 12:07:08 PM Pelle: It has something to do with hair, so I'll guess a hair obsession. 5465. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/15/2000 12:25:01 PM Pelle: 5466. PelleNilsson - 4/15/2000 2:36:31 PM Indy 5467. PelleNilsson - 4/15/2000 2:38:23 PM Irv 5468. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/15/2000 8:32:36 PM Pelle: 5469. CalGal - 4/15/2000 9:51:55 PM Pelle--trichotillomania is when you compulsively worry and pull at your hair. 5470. theDiva - 4/15/2000 9:53:42 PM and this is unusual because....... 5471. KuligintheHooligan - 4/17/2000 11:25:02 AM Here's a simple quiz. 5472. theDiva - 4/17/2000 11:28:07 AM it'd have to be a palindrome....using the letters w, t, y,u, o, a, h, z,x,v, znc m. 5473. theDiva - 4/17/2000 11:28:59 AM Good Lawd. 5474. KuligintheHooligan - 4/17/2000 11:32:15 AM Just keep in mind, though, that a palindrome like KAYAK doesn't work, because when you turn the paper upside down, ALL the letters don't look like letters anymore! 5475. KuligintheHooligan - 4/17/2000 11:32:44 AM Well, unless you are reading Russian that is! :-) 5476. Dusty - 4/17/2000 11:33:19 AM Diva, I don't think it has to be a palindrome 5477. Dusty - 4/17/2000 11:34:12 AM For example, MOW woirks, but itsn't a palindrome. 5478. Dusty - 4/17/2000 11:34:43 AM err, works 5479. theDiva - 4/17/2000 11:34:47 AM Wait a minnit, 180 degrees as in upside down? 5480. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/17/2000 11:35:03 AM I don't see how it would work unless it's a palindrome. And the only letters I can think of which work are H, I, O and X. 5481. theDiva - 4/17/2000 11:35:47 AM Irv 5482. Indiana Jones - 4/17/2000 11:36:13 AM SWIMS 5483. theDiva - 4/17/2000 11:37:08 AM smarty pants. 5484. Dusty - 4/17/2000 11:39:23 AM Good one IJ 5485. KuligintheHooligan - 4/17/2000 11:43:24 AM Indy, I hate you. :-) 5486. Dusty - 4/17/2000 11:44:44 AM N also works, but I haven't come up with an alternative word. 5487. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/17/2000 11:46:17 AM Kuligin: 5488. Indiana Jones - 4/17/2000 11:56:07 AM Kuligin: I have the scrap paper to prove I worked it out :-) 5489. Dusty - 4/17/2000 11:59:13 AM I'm wondering if there is a longer one. Perhaps something of the form xIOxOIx 5490. KuligintheHooligan - 4/19/2000 1:05:04 PM I heard this on the radio today, so can't vouch for it accuracy, but... 5491. theDiva - 4/19/2000 1:05:43 PM death 5492. KuligintheHooligan - 4/19/2000 1:08:55 PM An excellent guess, 5493. DocBrown - 4/20/2000 10:05:34 AM How about "Story." As in 'Her Love Story' or 'The Love Story' or 'Brain Smasher... A Love Story'? 5494. Dusty - 4/20/2000 10:22:35 AM "Death" sounded like a good guess. 5495. Dusty - 4/20/2000 10:26:03 AM "Affair" is also a possibility 5496. Indiana Jones - 4/20/2000 10:56:50 AM I'll guess "day" or "night." (But I'd be really curious as how they came up with this one.) "Story" is a good guess, too, because I can think of a lot of movies that have that in the title. 5497. DocBrown - 4/20/2000 11:59:09 AM Hey, Indiana Jones! I like 'Titanic'! 5498. KuligintheHooligan - 4/20/2000 12:08:20 PM Well, all of those are good guesses. Personally, I too liked "death" as the best possibility. I suppose, though, that I should give the answer because you will never get it. 5499. Dusty - 4/20/2000 12:34:23 PM KuligintheHooligan 5500. Indiana Jones - 4/20/2000 1:13:01 PM I just picked on Titanic because it would be obvious which movie the word came from. I actually thought it was better than (ugh) The English Patient. 5501. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/20/2000 1:28:10 PM Dusty: 5502. Indiana Jones - 4/20/2000 2:03:34 PM Per IMDB: 5503. Dusty - 4/20/2000 2:47:17 PM IrvingSnodgrass 5504. Dusty - 4/20/2000 2:49:45 PM War - 586 movies 5505. Dusty - 4/20/2000 2:53:24 PM II gets more matches. 488 movies, although I suppose one could argue whether it is a substantive word (or even a word) 5506. Dusty - 4/20/2000 2:56:49 PM I tried "snodgrass". I wasn't surprised when it failed to take first place, but I was surprised that it did get two hits (TV series). I haven't figured out why. 5507. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/20/2000 2:59:48 PM My life story, obviously. 5508. stostosto - 4/20/2000 6:53:10 PM Pelle #5463: 5509. stostosto - 4/20/2000 6:55:03 PM St. Canute IV - yet another Danish saint. 5510. jonesatlaw - 4/21/2000 12:12:34 AM Sto- There is also St. Catherine of Sweeden, and St. Ingrid. 5511. KuligintheHooligan - 4/21/2000 7:53:28 AM Like I said, I couldn't vouch for the accuracy of the question. I had heard it on the radio, and it was a phone-in competition for some stupid event on the coast of Namibia. "Paris" struck me as odd, but I figured I'd ask the question here. I'm glad there are ways to actually test it for accuracy! 5512. AytchMan - 4/24/2000 4:42:27 AM Just resurfacing long enough to share a Geographical Spelling Quiz. Sorry about the format, it looks a lot better on my system. Your mission: spell the names of these places. I'll post the answers in white shortly. Anybody who's around at this ridiculous hour (US) can guess out loud. I'll be here for a little while. 5513. PelleNilsson - 4/24/2000 5:09:14 AM sto 5514. AytchMan - 4/24/2000 5:36:11 AM Just as I suspected -- all the good spellers are at Big Snoozy. 5515. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/24/2000 6:30:37 AM AytchMan: 5516. arkymalarky - 4/24/2000 6:34:36 AM Hey, that's Ouachita! I thought everyone who'd ever set foot on American soil could spell that one! 5517. IrvingSnodgrass - 4/24/2000 6:37:20 AM Arky: 5518. arkymalarky - 4/24/2000 6:43:53 AM Haha. You don't know what you're missing. But Aitch's phonetic spelling sounds like the way a Texan or a Yankee would pronounce it. It's actually pronounced Wash-i-taw. 5519. arkymalarky - 4/24/2000 6:45:59 AM I just noticed it rhymes with Arkansas. I hadn't ever thought of that. 5520. stostosto - 4/24/2000 7:38:28 AM Pelle, regarding saints: 5521. tmachine - 4/24/2000 12:26:04 PM 26. Allegany 5522. AytchMan - 4/24/2000 4:13:37 PM As everybody already knows, all of the answers posted are correct. Irv, 25 out of 25 is pretty impressive. I'm gonna see if I can find a real bear of a puzzle to let loose on you kids. [Whispers to self] Hmm, maybe I'll change one of the clues in a tough logic puzzle so it can't be solved. Yeah, that's it. [Reset whisper flag to 0]. 5523. JayAckroyd - 4/24/2000 4:32:37 PM 4) Who gives birth to Ghanima and Leto? 5524. JayAckroyd - 4/24/2000 4:34:02 PM Argh. 5525. OhioSTOPAS - 4/24/2000 4:36:11 PM Aytchman: Good quiz, but "Worcester" is pronounced "WUSS-tuh". 5526. AytchMan - 4/24/2000 5:09:00 PM Arky and Ohio-- 5527. SpenceMirrlees - 4/26/2000 12:33:58 PM Valparaiso, IN is pronouced Val-puh-ray'-zo, not Val'-puh-rye-zo (or Val-puh-rye'-zo for that matter). I don't care what those guys on ESPN say when the Crusaders make the NCAA tourney. 5528. janjon - 5/2/2000 3:56:37 PM I believe Cairo, Illinois is pronounced KAY-ro, not Care-O. In any event, not K-eye-ro. 5529. AytchMan - 5/4/2000 3:25:26 AM At this point, I suppose that I need to stop hiding like a "wuss-tuh". I promise to make corrections to the quiz before I spring it on any other unsuspecting folks with unsinkable regional pride. Not to mention irremediable regional accents. 5530. AytchMan - 5/4/2000 3:39:40 AM Since things are slow: does anyone know the origins of the phrases "the whole nine yards" and "five-by-five"? Since there is some dispute about both, I'll post my versions in a day or so. 5531. ButterfieldSwire - 5/4/2000 12:54:26 PM I posted this quiz early in this thread, but their seemed to be some malfunction and I never got an answer. 5532. CalGal - 5/4/2000 1:00:57 PM 1. Nick Carraway 5533. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/4/2000 1:01:09 PM Butterfield: 5534. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/4/2000 1:01:55 PM Aaargh. 12 seconds. 5535. CalGal - 5/4/2000 1:04:37 PM 2. Hastings 5536. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:12:59 PM 5537. Raskolnikov - 5/4/2000 1:14:34 PM "Since things are slow: does anyone know the origins of the phrases "the whole nine yards" and "five-by-five"? Since there is some dispute about both, I'll post my versions in a day or so. " 5538. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:24:39 PM 5539. ButterfieldSwire - 5/4/2000 1:24:59 PM CalGal- 5540. theDiva - 5/4/2000 1:25:58 PM The Basie band called Jimmy Rushing 'Mr. Five by Five' because he was short and stout. 5541. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:28:43 PM 5542. theDiva - 5/4/2000 1:29:39 PM Hm. I always thought it referred to a football team going the full distance for a first down. But then that'd be ten yards, wouldn't it? 5543. CalGal - 5/4/2000 1:30:31 PM Butter, 5544. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:31:42 PM 5545. theDiva - 5/4/2000 1:33:14 PM Well, damn, you learn something new every day. 5546. ButterfieldSwire - 5/4/2000 1:37:47 PM CalGal - I can't think of any novel I like more than "The Razor's Edge" and I thought that movie was really great. It's like my trump to the question "What great book has produced a good movie." I'm stunned that you hate it. 5547. SpenceMirrlees - 5/4/2000 1:39:42 PM Another entry: "whole nine yards" refers to cement -- cement mixers (at least used to) have 9 cubic yards capacity. In asking for the whole 9, you were asking for the whole thing. 5548. CalGal - 5/4/2000 1:40:31 PM Well, I have no taste at all, really. Also, I am a navel-gazer of the worst sort, and I always thought Larry was a wannabe. 5549. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:44:24 PM 5550. theDiva - 5/4/2000 1:47:16 PM Depends on whether you're playing a piano or a guitar. 5551. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:48:23 PM 5552. SpenceMirrlees - 5/4/2000 1:48:53 PM hey-o! TheDiva, ladies and gentlemen! At Caesar's Palace all week... 5553. theDiva - 5/4/2000 1:49:50 PM nyuk nyuk 5554. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:51:20 PM Diva: 5555. ButterfieldSwire - 5/4/2000 1:53:11 PM "I always thought Larry was a wannabe." I thought that was the point. Any way, no one knows "On the Road?" 5556. theDiva - 5/4/2000 1:54:32 PM Ace 5557. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 1:56:52 PM 5558. theDiva - 5/4/2000 1:57:47 PM Jeez, Louise. The man feeds a jazzbo a straight line like that and expects her not to take it? 5559. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:00:32 PM in rough measurement, a cord of wood equals two level stacked pick-up truck loads. 5560. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 2:00:47 PM 5561. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:01:35 PM Ace 5562. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:01:57 PM since when does a pick-up load of wood make one a snob, peon? 5563. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 2:02:38 PM 5564. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:02:45 PM no, Bubb, I'm the snob. I'm from the Northeast, I call noodles 'pasta', I like jazz. 5565. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:03:33 PM mind you, the man lives in NYC and makes four times what we do, put together. 5566. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:03:42 PM I ain't no snob, I'm an elitist. 5567. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:04:12 PM Hell, I might even be a commie pinko. I better go check. 5568. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:06:02 PM You're no commie pinko, you're a liberaltarian. 5569. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 2:07:32 PM 5570. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:07:59 PM I am? Jeez, I'm never sure. I'm always failin' these danged litmus tests. No wonder my career is stalled. 5571. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:08:18 PM hahahaha! 5572. ButterfieldSwire - 5/4/2000 2:08:35 PM 3. Nicholas Jenkins 5573. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:10:20 PM It's tough work to carry around a pocketful of chickens. 5574. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:11:16 PM They let you on the subway with those? 5575. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:11:53 PM Hey baby, is that a roaster in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? 5576. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:12:04 PM Not to mention that it's hell making change. 5577. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:12:41 PM try putting a chicken in a coke machine and see what you get. 5578. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:12:43 PM As Frank Perdue would say, parts is parts. 5579. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:13:05 PM RRRRRRWWWWAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!! 5580. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:14:24 PM He really is behind the times. Here in the capitol of the confedracy, we carry tobacco leaves. They fit into a wallet better. 5581. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:14:54 PM And they don't leave an unsightly trail. 5582. AceofSpades - 5/4/2000 2:16:34 PM 5583. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:18:10 PM but you don't have to pluck and gut terbacky. 5584. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:22:52 PM Danged New Yorkers. Always tryin ta shove their citified, sissyfied ways down our throats. 5585. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:24:23 PM Most New Yorkers are more specific than that when thinking about stuffing things down throats. 5586. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:25:26 PM Everrbody knows yore moving back to the Apple just FOR the chickens, JanJon. 5587. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:26:15 PM You got it, kid. 5588. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:32:07 PM pullets, silly 5589. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:33:15 PM pullATs, Bubb. 5590. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:33:18 PM he's tryin ta be all upper crusty. 5591. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:34:51 PM most of us New Yorkers prefer pies without upper crusts, actually. As in tarts. 5592. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:36:26 PM well we know what to do with folks like that down here in the south, I can tell you. First you cover em in warm molasses, then you stick pullet feathers all over and then you ride em outta town on a rail. 5593. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:39:14 PM But you gotta find a working train track for that, Bub. 5594. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:39:33 PM We call it "giving the pullet surprize" 5595. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:40:14 PM dang, and with their own pullet feathers, too. 5596. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:42:35 PM Naw don't y'all city folks know anything? A rail in this case means a fence rail. 5597. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:44:58 PM oh, a terrace enclosure. 5598. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:46:24 PM Terrace. 5599. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:47:21 PM Shoot. I'll bet they even keep their fridgerators inside the house. 5600. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:48:34 PM Bare dirt in New York City is indeed something one tends to stay away from. 5601. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:49:06 PM Terrace. 5602. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:49:47 PM And they got them fancy little shitty dogs with the ribbons in they hair. And take em to a GROOMING PARLOR. 5603. janjon - 5/4/2000 2:50:58 PM and thriving plants. Even....you know the rest. 5604. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:52:25 PM I gots three of 'em now, healthy as big ole heads o collards. 5605. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:54:23 PM And ya can't get a decent barbeque sammich or a quart a shine in the whole damned city. Who the hell'd wanna live in a place like at? 5606. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:56:07 PM hell, I bet they even SMOKE their terbacky up there. 5607. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 2:57:17 PM If dippin and chawin was good enough fer my maw, it's good enough fer me. 5608. theDiva - 5/4/2000 2:58:55 PM Plus which fact, yew don't even need a lighter. Real convenient like. 5609. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 3:00:45 PM You know Diva, I've even heard tell of them New Yorkyfied wimmin spending upwards of $50 for a dress!! 5610. theDiva - 5/4/2000 3:03:02 PM Good Lawd! You can outfit a whole passel o kids plus yer old man for that kinda money down to the WalMart! 5611. theDiva - 5/4/2000 3:03:39 PM (you know, we really ought to move this to our thread.) 5612. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 3:05:47 PM Tell me about it. Jim Bob woulda beat me sensless if Ida spent even $20 on a dress, what with the sales on at the K-Mart n all. I aint even seen a $50 dress in my lifetime. Besides, some of them flour sacks with the print on em sew up real nice. 5613. bubbaette - 5/4/2000 3:06:27 PM (you don't think we've beat it plumb to death yet?) 5614. theDiva - 5/4/2000 3:07:31 PM hell no 5615. AytchMan - 5/5/2000 1:38:05 AM The semi-official answers to the Phrases quasi-quiz: 5616. PelleNilsson - 5/5/2000 2:11:20 AM 5X5 5617. AytchMan - 5/5/2000 2:18:08 AM Pelle-- 5618. PelleNilsson - 5/5/2000 2:42:16 AM I'm fairly sure that English is the official language of Zimbabwe. 5619. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/5/2000 3:08:57 AM AytchMan: 5620. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/5/2000 3:13:38 AM Aytchman: 5621. PelleNilsson - 5/5/2000 7:52:04 AM 5622. AytchMan - 5/5/2000 8:06:42 AM The stars of the Harry and George show. 5623. PelleNilsson - 5/5/2000 8:13:07 AM More famous than that. 5624. Dusty - 5/5/2000 8:16:36 AM More famous than President of the US? 5625. Dusty - 5/5/2000 8:16:54 AM So, movie stars? 5626. AytchMan - 5/5/2000 8:19:01 AM I don't know. Harry was pretty famous, George less so although more recent. 5627. AytchMan - 5/5/2000 8:20:31 AM I don't know. Harry was pretty famous, George less so although more recent. 5628. AytchMan - 5/5/2000 8:21:59 AM Oof, it's getting early. 5629. PelleNilsson - 5/5/2000 8:35:31 AM I misunderstood Aytchman completely. 5630. theDiva - 5/5/2000 11:18:15 AM Gracie laid this one on me last evening. 5631. Dantheman - 5/5/2000 11:40:04 AM Deev, 5632. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/5/2000 11:43:40 AM 56*0 = 60*0 5633. theDiva - 5/5/2000 11:46:19 AM wow, more than one answer. You're both correct! 5634. AytchMan - 5/5/2000 12:01:58 PM 5x6x0=6x0x0 5635. Dantheman - 5/5/2000 12:03:57 PM AytchMan, 5636. AytchMan - 5/6/2000 4:21:07 AM This is an old puzzle but I haven't seen it recently so... 5637. SnowOwl - 5/6/2000 9:23:09 PM John, while James had had "had", had had "had had". "Had had" had had a better effect on the teacher. 5638. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/6/2000 9:37:22 PM In a related question, can anyone come up with a sentence in which the word and appears five times consecutively? 5639. ilyavinarsky - 5/6/2000 10:05:58 PM A digital design book contains the assertions "Although CMOS implementations of 'nand' and 'nor' are easier, when humans are taught Boolean algebra, it is usually presented with operators 'not', 'or' and 'and'," and "'And' and 'or', somuch as they are useful, are implemented in CMOS using the nand gate and inverters." 5640. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/6/2000 11:52:54 PM Ilya: 5641. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 10:17:58 AM Here's an interesting quiz based on a TV quiz I just saw on Indonesian TV. 5642. Indiana Jones - 5/7/2000 10:36:33 AM Irv: Sheer guesswork, but I'll say the horse as fastest (my second guess is the motorcycle). 5643. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 10:46:59 AM Indy: 5644. Indiana Jones - 5/7/2000 10:52:41 AM Irv: I had seen a horse beat a car in a short race before, but the horse was at a full gallop when it reached the starting line, at which time the car began accelerating. 5645. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 10:54:42 AM Indy: 5646. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 10:56:35 AM What the race came down to, actually, was which of the choices accelerates the fastest. 5647. RickNelson - 5/7/2000 11:50:10 AM Irv, 5648. RickNelson - 5/7/2000 11:54:10 AM If we use and and and and and in a sentence we will find it a difficult propostion. 5649. dusty - 5/7/2000 11:58:38 AM It's pretty obvious that the sprinter is fastest, isn't it? Minimum mass? 5650. dusty - 5/7/2000 11:59:14 AM err, "not", not "bot" 5651. dusty - 5/7/2000 12:01:33 PM However, I'm doubtful that the bicycle will be in that order. 5652. CalGal - 5/7/2000 12:05:49 PM I agree that the sprinter is probably first. Then: 5653. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 12:18:48 PM The sprinter was first by about 4 yards (!). In a nice twist, the race organizers had a female sprinter against males on all other modes of racing. 5654. RickNelson - 5/7/2000 12:22:04 PM Cal, the bike is one of the slowest starting mechanical devices created. 5655. RickNelson - 5/7/2000 12:23:49 PM I don't believe the car was the correct style. 5656. RickNelson - 5/7/2000 12:25:56 PM And a bike beating a car!? I that's what I don't believe. 5657. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/7/2000 1:25:26 PM Rick: 5658. AytchMan - 5/7/2000 1:28:32 PM Punctuation quiz. Nailed. By SnowOwl. 5659. dusty - 5/7/2000 2:41:32 PM Good question Irv. I wonder why the horse is an exception? 5660. AytchMan - 5/7/2000 3:14:47 PM What if we add a turtle? What happens to the minimum mass and terminal velocity arguments then? The search for the X factor continues. 5661. PelleNilsson - 5/7/2000 3:25:24 PM Or a hare? 5662. AytchMan - 5/7/2000 3:33:35 PM X factor solved: racing stripes. Obviously, the sprinter had the largest set of racing stripes on her shorts. Since men wear bigger shorts, a man would have finished even faster. 5663. Indiana Jones - 5/7/2000 4:44:03 PM I think under different conditions the horse could win. That is, the runner presumably knew he the race was about to begin and anticipated, whereas I don't know what the conditions were as far as the horse (plus, as Irving says, their was also a "chain of command" as the rider told the horse to move). 5664. dusty - 5/7/2000 6:14:41 PM AytchMan 5665. RickNelson - 5/7/2000 9:12:31 PM Irv, Yeah I suppose. I'm still remembering how fast my Pontiac Ventura with its 350 two barrel could accelerate. I recall a huge burst of speed from the go, but I suppose it could have been beaten at 10 meters. Jeez that car was fast from a stop. And a revved up-popped clutch motorcycle, I thought could wipe out most anything for speed. Just thoughts, I don't know. 5666. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 12:55:35 PM Question 1 -- Are there any English words whose pronunciation is unchanged after four letters are removed? Hint: I probably wouldn't post this if there weren't. 5667. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 12:59:50 PM Question 2 -- What's the next number in this sequence: 5668. Dusty - 5/8/2000 12:59:51 PM through - thru 5669. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 1:02:31 PM Question 3 -- Are there any numbers in English whose letters are in alphabetical order? No hints on this, there may or may not be. 5670. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 1:03:59 PM Good guess, dusty, but as you say, not quite. 5671. OhioSTOPAS - 5/8/2000 1:06:17 PM 5667: The answer is 30. 5672. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 1:09:09 PM Ohio-- Incorrect. What was the rule you used? 5673. Dusty - 5/8/2000 1:14:26 PM if I had to guess, I'd guess 28, then 29, but I don't have a rule yet. 5674. OhioSTOPAS - 5/8/2000 1:26:09 PM 5667: The answer is 28. 5675. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/8/2000 1:27:32 PM Aytch: 5676. Dusty - 5/8/2000 1:28:43 PM That many, huh? 5677. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 1:31:32 PM Irv-- 5678. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 1:34:26 PM On Question 2: Sorry for not stating it but I need the rule for the sequence as well. 5679. OhioSTOPAS - 5/8/2000 1:40:30 PM You mean I can't just keep guessing until I get it right? 5680. Dusty - 5/8/2000 1:42:04 PM Please put guesses in white, so others can still play 5681. OhioSTOPAS - 5/8/2000 1:45:27 PM There's a pattern in the amounts of the intervals when the next number in sequence is not used. 5682. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 1:46:35 PM Ohio-- 5683. OhioSTOPAS - 5/8/2000 1:47:14 PM Sorry, all, Dusty has a good suggestion but I didn't see his post until after posting mine. 5684. Dusty - 5/8/2000 1:53:53 PM Proposed answer: 5685. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 2:02:09 PM Ohio-- 5686. ChristinO - 5/8/2000 2:02:33 PM I just counted. Like this: 5687. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 2:03:56 PM Dusty-- 5688. ChristinO - 5/8/2000 2:05:54 PM Oh duh, don't ask me how I got that 3 and 23 I'm losing my mind between posts. 5689. ChristinO - 5/8/2000 2:06:28 PM Obviously the going with Dusty thing is the right course of action. 5690. Dantheman - 5/8/2000 2:06:55 PM AytchMan, 5691. ChristinO - 5/8/2000 2:08:14 PM Oh, that's a good one Dan! 5692. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 2:12:49 PM ChristinO-- 5693. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 2:18:52 PM Dan-- 5694. Dusty - 5/8/2000 2:20:57 PM Nice try ChristinO 5695. ChristinO - 5/8/2000 2:26:16 PM Aytch, 5696. ChristinO - 5/8/2000 2:27:03 PM Dusty, 5697. AytchMan - 5/8/2000 8:41:06 PM Answer to Question 1: 5698. Dusty - 5/9/2000 9:26:36 AM What about 5699. Indiana Jones - 5/9/2000 9:36:14 AM I thought of a "trick" answer, but like through-thru, it involved only three letters: unchallenged...if you remove the 'lle,' its pronunciation is "unchanged." 5700. Dusty - 5/9/2000 11:33:24 AM Indiana Jones 5701. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 11:40:02 AM Okay, here's another silly quiz from me, and please don't ask me why I think about such trivial things as these! 5702. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/9/2000 11:51:23 AM Kuligin: 5703. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 11:54:21 AM Irv, could you clarify your quiz. Can the word be of any length, or just limited to the con-vow-con combination you were looking for? 5704. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/9/2000 12:09:33 PM Kuligin: 5705. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 12:10:56 PM Ooooh, that's a nice one! Thanks for the clarification. I'll give it some thought. 5706. Dusty - 5/9/2000 12:17:50 PM "ane" arguably has 13, although I expect some disagreement over jane, kane, and zane. 5707. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 12:23:46 PM "jane" could be used properly as a client of a male prostitute, I suppose, but what is zane and kane? No proper nouns are of course allowed. 5708. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 12:25:06 PM bot doesn't work, but I can't figure out the other 3 vowel sound combinations I am missing for Irv's quiz. 5709. Dusty - 5/9/2000 12:28:42 PM "ite" has 11 5710. Dusty - 5/9/2000 12:29:06 PM oops, "quite", not "qite" 5711. jonesatlaw - 5/9/2000 12:30:59 PM "ear" has 14 if you allow a blank: _ear, and a proper noun: Lear 5712. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 12:34:23 PM -ear was the one I came up with for 12 words. What is lear, though, since I didn't have that one in my list? A Lear jet wouldn't be allowed, and to leer at someone doesn't work. 5713. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 12:34:57 PM Oh, I see, you said Lear was a proper noun! Sorry, but that isn't allowed. 5714. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 12:36:31 PM In the Irv quiz, bOIt doesn't work with the B-T combination either, so bOt and bOIt would seem to exclude that combination from using 13 of the 14 vowel sounds. 5715. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/9/2000 12:50:04 PM Kuligin: 5716. KuligintheHooligan - 5/9/2000 12:52:45 PM Well, that was only by mistake, let me tell you. I have no idea why on earth I started with the B-T combination, and I'm sorry for spoiling the fun so quickly! I was actually looking forward to trying later tonight to figure it out! 5717. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/9/2000 1:13:35 PM Kuligin: 5718. ChristinO - 5/9/2000 1:14:44 PM Uh....maybe I'm unclear on this but I got 14 with r-d I think. 5719. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/9/2000 1:47:46 PM Christin: 5720. PelleNilsson - 5/9/2000 1:51:04 PM Irv 5721. Dusty - 5/9/2000 1:52:26 PM Today's, 5722. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/9/2000 1:57:01 PM Pelle: 5723. Dantheman - 5/9/2000 2:15:45 PM dusty, 5724. Dusty - 5/9/2000 2:27:10 PM Dan 5725. Dusty - 5/9/2000 2:37:28 PM Dan 5726. Dusty - 5/9/2000 3:02:46 PM KuligintheHooligan 5727. ChristinO - 5/9/2000 3:04:18 PM Irv, 5728. AytchMan - 5/9/2000 3:04:57 PM Dusty 5698-- 5729. AytchMan - 5/9/2000 3:28:49 PM On Kuligin's quiz, how about 'ill': 5730. Dusty - 5/9/2000 3:41:25 PM M-W also lists nill as a word. 5731. AytchMan - 5/9/2000 9:33:07 PM With summer almost here, a question of considerable practical import: 5732. Indiana Jones - 5/9/2000 10:19:35 PM Aytchman: I'm a little confused by the question. Since none of the containers affect each other, isn't it just a question of whether a 2 oz container at 100 or a 2 oz container at 150 will freeze faster? And that would appear to be the one at 100. 5733. AytchMan - 5/9/2000 10:38:29 PM Indy-- 5734. EricCartman - 5/10/2000 3:31:26 AM Irv: 5735. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/10/2000 4:18:46 AM Cart: 5736. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/10/2000 4:24:21 AM I hate to say this, because CalGal will probably use it as evidence of Californians as trendsetters, but the California pronunciation appears to be spreading in the American West, and will probably eventually become the standard in the USA. 5737. jonesatlaw - 5/10/2000 2:19:52 PM Irv- the right coast challenging our midwestern linguisitic hegemony? My hometown is full of telecommunications companies because of our "lack" of an accent, or its inoffensive nature. I just hope we don't have to start punctuating our sentences with "Dude" and "like." 5738. CalGal - 5/10/2000 2:23:38 PM Cart, 5739. CalGal - 5/10/2000 2:24:20 PM Jones, 5740. CalGal - 5/10/2000 2:42:32 PM Cart, 5741. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/10/2000 2:43:36 PM Jones: 5742. CalGal - 5/10/2000 2:47:24 PM Irv, 5743. CalGal - 5/10/2000 2:50:55 PM I should say, though, that "cool" in the jazz/beatnik sense of the word (with the origin you credit) and "cool" in the 60s sense (which is the way it is used today) aren't quite the same thing, to my mind. The 60s version certainly started with the jazz meaning, but it went from there. 5744. jonesatlaw - 5/10/2000 3:18:44 PM Irv-(blush) left coast it is.... 5745. EricCartman - 5/11/2000 2:06:21 AM Irv: 5746. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/11/2000 2:46:00 AM Cart: 5747. EricCartman - 5/11/2000 3:20:00 AM Irv: 5748. SpenceMirrlees - 5/11/2000 3:31:28 AM 2+2=5 is only a restriction within a given numbering system. In another, equally arbitrary one it's perfectly natural to get a different result. Likewise with letters and different regional 'systems' of pronunciation, into dialects, into different languages entirely. 5749. PelleNilsson - 5/11/2000 9:58:00 AM What is this and where? Californians like to take credit for anything which gains wide popularity. 5751. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/11/2000 10:35:33 AM Cart: 5752. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/11/2000 10:39:30 AM Pelle: 5753. Macnas - 5/11/2000 10:55:49 AM Sherlock Holmes and Moriarity, at the something berg falls. 5754. Dusty - 5/11/2000 12:52:14 PM Macnas is close to right 5755. PelleNilsson - 5/11/2000 3:43:21 PM Big odds on Dusty having peeked at the page source. Not cricket, old chap. 5756. JJBiener - 5/11/2000 3:56:00 PM 2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2. 5757. dusty - 5/11/2000 9:42:32 PM PelleNilsson 5758. EricCartman - 5/12/2000 1:26:33 AM Spence Message # 5748: 5759. EricCartman - 5/12/2000 1:31:00 AM Irv Message # 5751: 5760. PelleNilsson - 5/12/2000 2:13:33 AM Dusty 5761. IrvingSnodgrass - 5/12/2000 2:45:50 AM Cart: 5762. Macnas - 5/12/2000 4:09:33 AM Just a short quiz. 5763. Macnas - 5/12/2000 11:36:45 AM I'm off, and since I won't be on at the weekend, If anyone wants a go at the quiz, I'll reply to answers on Monday. 5764. Macnas - 5/15/2000 3:21:49 AM Yikes! 5765. AytchMan - 5/15/2000 4:13:02 AM Macnas-- 5766. Macnas - 5/15/2000 5:45:06 AM Aytch, 5767. Indiana Jones - 5/15/2000 8:33:18 AM 3. Ulysses? 5768. Macnas - 5/15/2000 11:04:03 AM Well done Indy, 5769. KuligintheHooligan - 5/17/2000 2:45:45 PM Dusty, just so you know I didn't miss your answer to my quiz, yes, I thought of the -ill combination as well. I don't think one can do much better than that and -eat 5770. KuligintheHooligan - 5/17/2000 2:46:34 PM Macnas, I hadn't a clue whatsoever about your quiz! Next time, try something like "See Jane Run" and perhaps I can give it a go! 5771. Macnas - 5/18/2000 9:53:17 AM Vic, I'm surprised, a well read character like yourself?? 5772. Indiana Jones - 5/18/2000 10:50:44 AM #1 did seem familiar, but if I've ever read #2, I've forgotten it. 5773. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 11:16:23 AM WWII quiz 5774. Indiana Jones - 5/18/2000 11:18:21 AM 1. Enola Gay 5775. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 11:20:20 AM Indiana- 1 is correct, and 2 is correct, a midget submarine was beached during the attack. 5776. Indiana Jones - 5/18/2000 11:20:25 AM 3. Petain? 5777. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 11:23:00 AM #3- no. 5778. Indiana Jones - 5/18/2000 11:24:47 AM 4. aircraft carriers? 5779. alistairconnor - 5/18/2000 11:26:46 AM 3 sounds like de Gaulle 5780. JudithAtHome - 5/18/2000 11:27:10 AM Jeez, #1 was the only one I knew....was it built by Convair? (Consolidated/Convair; General Dynamics) 5781. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 11:27:48 AM 4. Yes, the Midway and FDR were built on Iowa hulls. 5782. JudithAtHome - 5/18/2000 11:28:20 AM #3...Joan of Arc :-) 5783. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 11:29:38 AM alistair- 3 partial credit- it was Churchill on DeGalle. 5784. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 11:31:04 AM Judith- I think that B-29 were also built by Consolidated,but they didn't build Enola Gay. 5785. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 1:23:10 PM 5,7,8 9 and 10 remain plus bonus. 5786. Wombat - 5/18/2000 2:00:36 PM 1.What was the nose name of the aircraft that dropped the first atomic 5787. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 2:37:00 PM Wombat- 8- laminar flow wing greatly increased range, althought it was the Merlin engine that gave it the speed at altitude it needed to be successful escort. 5788. Wombat - 5/18/2000 3:19:28 PM Jones: 5789. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 4:26:56 PM Well, the Alaska and Guam were oddities- they were longer than pre-war battleships, and were armed with a lighter main armament than pre-war battleships. They were more protected than classic battlecruisers and didn't pack the 14 or 16 in guns that battleships of the era carried (or battlecruisers such as Hood). They are somewhat like usual American heavy cruisers on steroids. The layout of the armament is very much like the Des Moines class. The placing of catapults amidships is more like pre-war battleships, and their funnel/masting is just plain weird. They were fast enought to keep up with the Iowa class and the carriers though. 5790. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 4:28:57 PM Oh, and by the way- great job on the quiz, all your answers were correct. (Perhaps save for the Alaska issue). 5791. Wombat - 5/18/2000 5:06:08 PM 1) What was the name of the last British battleship built? 5792. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 5:17:55 PM 1. Prince of Wales 5793. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 5:20:46 PM Ark Royal was not sunk by the Japanese. Prince of Wales and Repulse were. 5794. Wombat - 5/18/2000 5:23:29 PM Jones: 5795. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 5:25:02 PM Then how about George VI? 5796. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 5:32:10 PM Well George V was right class. Howe is listed as last commissioned member of the class. 5797. Wombat - 5/18/2000 5:37:01 PM Jones: 5798. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 5:43:54 PM I cheated and looked up the answer to the question- they were converted from the "Tin clads" who were turned into aircraft carriers. 5799. jonesatlaw - 5/18/2000 6:23:45 PM The Courageous bears quite a distinction then, a carrier sunk by naval rifles. 5800. jexster - 5/19/2000 4:00:48 PM 5801. jonesatlaw - 5/19/2000 7:05:36 PM Jexster see Wombats answers above- they are better than my questions. 5802. dusty - 5/19/2000 8:03:53 PM Today's, 5803. jexster - 5/19/2000 10:06:56 PM Yes Wombat knows his shit but I do believe that the Brits had several "pocket battleships" aka Washington Treaty Ships.... 5804. jexster - 5/19/2000 10:22:20 PM Iowa Class Battleships: 5805. jexster - 5/19/2000 10:37:27 PM and I thought that the Nelson Class and King George V class battleships, each limited to 35,000 tons, were pocket battleships built to the requirements of the Washington and London Naval Treaties respectively. 5806. jexster - 5/19/2000 10:40:27 PM HMS Vanguard was the last British battleship. Herewith an history: 5807. jexster - 5/19/2000 10:40:39 PM Vanguard is also unique in that she is the only British Battleship never to have fired her guns in anger. 5808. jexster - 5/19/2000 10:42:43 PM see MY thread for a Kewl pic 5809. Wombat - 5/20/2000 10:24:19 AM Jones: 5810. jexster - 5/21/2000 2:42:00 PM Wombat UR right come to think of it. Those I mentioned are sometimes referred to as "Treaty" battleships. 5811. PelleNilsson - 5/22/2000 5:47:06 AM What do these words have in common: 5812. DocBrown - 5/22/2000 10:52:43 AM What aerodynamic innovation gave the P-51 Mustang its performance edge? 5813. Wombat - 5/22/2000 11:05:39 AM Doc: 5814. DocBrown - 5/22/2000 11:22:57 AM Golly, Wombat, any trivia question is easy if you look up the answer. 5815. Wombat - 5/22/2000 11:29:38 AM Doc: 5816. Wombat - 5/22/2000 11:34:50 AM Oh, and I don't usually have to search for answers, but I had never heard of the XP-75. 5817. PsychProf - 5/23/2000 2:24:18 PM Who wants to be a JEWISH MILLIONAIRE 5818. PsychProf - 5/23/2000 2:24:30 PM cont... 5819. iiibbb - 5/31/2000 4:37:50 PM I think when he says 98%... he means they can't solve it in their head... but perhaps I was just lucky. 5820. iiibbb - 5/31/2000 4:53:34 PM 11) Should read the horse owner lives next door to the dunhill smoker... sorry... 5821. Indiana Jones - 5/31/2000 5:00:24 PM iiibbb: A lot of people may not remember that puzzle, so it's probably worth another go around (especially seeing as this thread is a bit moribund), but it's been posted here before. 5822. theDiva - 5/31/2000 5:05:46 PM dag nab it! 5823. OhioSTOPAS - 5/31/2000 5:07:22 PM "QUESTION: Who drinks Beer?" 5824. Indiana Jones - 5/31/2000 5:10:25 PM Yep, Diva. I'll have to come up with something like that again instead of wasting so much time at TableTalk. Do you know when Ace is coming back? 5825. iiibbb - 5/31/2000 5:11:02 PM well... nevermind then... :) 5826. janjon - 5/31/2000 5:25:39 PM Spoiler: 5827. JudithAtHome - 5/31/2000 5:56:50 PM IJ: 5828. theDiva - 6/1/2000 9:07:37 AM Stopas 5829. Indiana Jones - 6/1/2000 3:46:17 PM Judith: Well, Ace really wanted to participate the last time and missed most of it. I hate to leave him out again. Also, I need a block of time without interruption, which is hard to come by it seems. Someone else could certainly host it (I think Rask pitched in last time...and still won!) 5830. JudithAtHome - 6/1/2000 3:53:59 PM Okay, IJ...we can wait for Ace. I know how it feels to miss out on the game because I did last time and really would've liked to play. See, I'm easy to get along with.... 5831. CalGal - 6/1/2000 7:15:57 PM Identify this beach. You don't need the name--there's a means of identifying it that almost everyone can reference. And I do mean almost everyone. 5832. OhioSTOPAS - 6/1/2000 7:23:34 PM It is of course Toledo Cove on Lake Erie. 5833. DanDillon - 6/1/2000 8:26:40 PM Is it Point Reyes (CA) where the two tides collide and do that nifty whirlpool trick? 5834. CalGal - 6/1/2000 8:32:37 PM Nope. Far more well known than that. And I just came back from vacation, Dan, so check out the URL for more hints. 5835. AceofSpades - 6/1/2000 9:21:20 PM 5836. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/1/2000 9:56:41 PM Cal: 5837. CalGal - 6/1/2000 10:07:35 PM Ha! I saw your post on the thread list and said, "Well, there's no way Irv will get it. He's not a movie guy." 5838. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/1/2000 10:22:39 PM Cal: 5840. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/1/2000 10:26:40 PM Oops... too many open windows. Hey, I can delete the double post. 5841. KuligintheHooligan - 6/5/2000 12:34:36 PM The first photo is a magnificent photo CalGal. Did you take it? 5842. iiibbb - 6/5/2000 7:59:00 PM Answer to Message # 5819 but I appologize for misprints... never done a table before. 5843. CalGal - 6/5/2000 8:08:22 PM Vic, 5844. DocBrown - 6/6/2000 2:58:30 PM All the pictures are very nice, CalGal. Are you absolutely certain that you weren't in Toledo? 5845. CalGal - 6/6/2000 3:06:50 PM There are very few places that I can say, with absolute certainty, that I wasn't actually in Toledo. 5846. DocBrown - 6/6/2000 3:30:48 PM I gotcha, CalGal. Toledo is more than a city, it is a state of mind. When your mind is as far from the Toledo state as it can get, you must be in Hawaii. 5847. theDiva - 6/6/2000 3:38:36 PM and my big yellow banana? 5848. DocBrown - 6/6/2000 3:57:36 PM You're one in a million, Lady Diva! 5849. theDiva - 6/6/2000 3:58:03 PM hahaha 5850. DocBrown - 6/7/2000 10:46:41 AM I can't believe no one knows this silly song. This question is very easy. 5851. theDiva - 6/7/2000 11:02:21 AM a big goofy dog in a red bandanna? 5852. Indiana Jones - 6/7/2000 11:16:42 AM "a dog with a bandana and a bone"? 5853. theDiva - 6/7/2000 11:19:31 AM that don't scan. 5854. MizPhys - 6/7/2000 11:33:54 AM dreams of their faraway home? 5855. DocBrown - 6/7/2000 12:04:00 PM No one has been close yet. 5856. theDiva - 6/7/2000 12:06:01 PM oh. 5857. JJBiener - 6/7/2000 12:07:52 PM Doc, That is a classic? While I am not a big JD fan, I have heard a large percentage of his songs. That one has not crossed my path. 5858. JJBiener - 6/7/2000 12:09:51 PM OK, Doc, how about this: 5859. DocBrown - 6/7/2000 2:32:26 PM Maybe it's only a classic to Ohioans. 5860. JudithAtHome - 6/7/2000 2:34:06 PM Does it make any reference to El Greco and dark paint? 5861. DocBrown - 6/7/2000 2:34:41 PM HINT: The song has s funny rhyme scheme. The missing line does rhymes, but not with Montanna. 5862. theDiva - 6/7/2000 2:37:09 PM aabXcc? 5863. JJBiener - 6/7/2000 3:13:19 PM Doc - So few songs are written about Ohio, the few that are become instant classics there. We have the same problem in Missouri. Let's see, Missouri Waltz, St. Louis Blues, Kansas City, . . . uh . . . 5864. theDiva - 6/7/2000 3:14:11 PM Wait! I know! 5865. DocBrown - 6/7/2000 3:32:06 PM Or fly, apparently? 5866. theDiva - 6/7/2000 3:33:01 PM bwahahahaha! 5867. AytchMan - 6/7/2000 11:08:27 PM Dusty-- 5868. sakonige - 6/8/2000 1:32:49 AM 5869. Dusty - 6/8/2000 8:21:22 AM AytchMan 5870. AytchMan - 6/8/2000 12:36:20 PM What is the exact opposite of: 5871. Indiana Jones - 6/8/2000 12:43:08 PM Aytchman: For each part, I see the opposites as "off bottom", "out", and "apple." But "on top" is on the top of the list, and "in" is in the middle, so I'm thinking the sequence has something to do with it, too. 5872. JudithAtHome - 6/8/2000 12:51:27 PM IJ: 5873. Indiana Jones - 6/8/2000 12:52:47 PM Judith: I'll put it in the Quiz thread and in Notices & Queries. 5874. theDiva - 6/8/2000 12:52:55 PM so what's the answer to Doc's quiz? 5875. AytchMan - 6/8/2000 12:56:42 PM Indy-- 5876. Indiana Jones - 6/8/2000 1:03:32 PM I looked it up, Diva, if you really want to know. Here's a clue (in white): Think Willy Loman and the line rhymes with "alone." 5877. CalGal - 6/8/2000 1:05:35 PM Aytch, 5878. JudithAtHome - 6/8/2000 1:05:38 PM That's cruel, IJ.... 5879. JudithAtHome - 6/8/2000 1:06:26 PM IJ: never mind...it finally showed up. 5880. DocBrown - 6/8/2000 1:15:46 PM Diva, the lyric goes: 5881. theDiva - 6/8/2000 1:20:50 PM Geez, given Indy's clue, I was gonna say 'and Dustin Hoffman on the phone'. What a letdown. John Denver sucks. 5882. AytchMan - 6/8/2000 7:32:38 PM Hint for 5870: 5883. Dusty - 6/9/2000 8:03:28 AM AytchMan 5884. Indiana Jones - 6/9/2000 8:44:31 AM Dusty: I don't think the Foundation series will help. They were trying to locate the second foundation and wondered whether it would be in the same place (if you trace a circle all the way around), in the center (as I recall they were on the periphery), or because the universe was a spiral you could go to the opposite end of the spiral. 5885. DocBrown - 6/9/2000 11:12:28 AM For #3, I believe the opposite of orange is blue (from a photographer's color wheel). 5886. AytchMan - 6/9/2000 12:50:37 PM When I post the answer, I may have to start running. It makes perfect sense to me but then I have to realize I'm in the bigs, here. 5887. AytchMan - 6/9/2000 4:17:47 PM Maybe I'd better post the answer in white and edge toward the door: 5888. theDiva - 6/9/2000 4:29:50 PM dammit, I was gonna say that, too, but I figgered it couldn't be right. 5889. Indiana Jones - 6/10/2000 4:17:46 PM Where are you? 5890. JudithAtHome - 6/10/2000 4:28:13 PM On Mars. 5891. Dusty - 6/10/2000 4:49:10 PM AytchMan 5892. Dusty - 6/10/2000 4:53:55 PM opposite(shallow orange sky me) ->deep blue sea you -> deep blue see you 5893. Indiana Jones - 6/10/2000 4:57:48 PM Judith: Nope. 5894. Dusty - 6/10/2000 4:59:21 PM The opposite of shallow is Deep. The opposite of orange is Purple. "sky" obviously refers to Jimi Hendrix (" 'scuse me while i kiss the sky") and the opposite of Jimi Hendrix is John Denver. The opposite of me is you. 5895. Indiana Jones - 6/10/2000 5:02:58 PM Getting colder, Dusty. 5896. Dusty - 6/10/2000 5:06:36 PM I was also working on sky -> sea -> C 5897. Indiana Jones - 6/10/2000 5:09:25 PM Dusty: Yep. 5898. Dusty - 6/10/2000 5:19:14 PM so 5899. Indiana Jones - 6/10/2000 5:28:41 PM Yes, deep blue sea is part of the answer. And when you get the answer, you'll know it (that is, you won't need me to tell you you're right). 5900. Dusty - 6/10/2000 5:51:19 PM OK, I gotta go for a bike ride, I'll think about while I ride 5901. JudithAtHome - 6/11/2000 7:55:21 AM You're between the Devil and the deep blue sea. 5902. Indiana Jones - 6/11/2000 10:36:28 AM Judith: Right! 5903. Dusty - 6/11/2000 3:21:44 PM Good one Judith...but I'm missing how to get Devil. 5904. JayAckroyd - 6/11/2000 4:29:30 PM Does Archangel help? 5905. Dusty - 6/11/2000 5:22:42 PM Rings a faint bell; guess my religious training was deficient. If it wasn't in Dogma, I probably don't know it. 5906. JudithAtHome - 6/11/2000 5:24:56 PM I wouldn't have guessed it if Dusty hadn't discovered deep blue sea. So I can't take full credit. 5907. Dusty - 6/11/2000 5:29:10 PM JudithAtHome 5908. JudithAtHome - 6/11/2000 5:32:56 PM Dusty: 5909. Dusty - 6/11/2000 6:30:51 PM Al Pacino 5910. JudithAtHome - 6/11/2000 7:03:02 PM It was great...creepy, though. 5911. Dusty - 6/12/2000 1:41:59 PM Geography Quiz 5912. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/12/2000 2:05:25 PM Lithuania 5913. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/12/2000 2:08:31 PM Well, I was close. After checking a source, I see that the Netherlands is slightly larger than Switzerland. 5914. Dusty - 6/12/2000 2:13:32 PM 5915. IrvingSnodgrass - 6/12/2000 2:19:51 PM Dusty: 5916. RickNelson - 6/13/2000 9:03:20 AM Verbal Quint is Keyser Soze! 5917. CalGal - 6/17/2000 11:47:19 AM All right, I'm watching "For All Mankind" right now, so I have some astronaut trivia: 5918. DocBrown - 6/19/2000 1:21:08 PM With no research: 5919. CalGal - 6/19/2000 1:24:17 PM Correct on both. 5920. DocBrown - 6/19/2000 1:30:45 PM 1) Jim Lovell, Gene Cernan, John Young, and (I think) Dave Scott. I can't recall any others. 5921. DocBrown - 6/19/2000 1:35:48 PM I'll try and leave a few for other people. As I recall there were three manned Skylab missions, meaning nine different men worked there. I think two of those had been to the moon, but I'll let someone else give their names. 5922. CalGal - 6/19/2000 2:14:40 PM John Young would be my guess. 5923. DocBrown - 6/19/2000 2:59:10 PM CalGal, John Young is right. 5924. CalGal - 6/19/2000 3:03:55 PM Doc, 5925. DocBrown - 6/20/2000 10:29:44 AM Of course I have, CalGal. A friend gave me the tapes as a birthday present. It is a great show. 5926. DocBrown - 6/20/2000 11:59:15 AM I hate to hog all these questions, but I can't hold back on #3 any longer. I'm so weak willed. 5927. DocBrown - 6/20/2000 1:04:30 PM 4) Had to be either Scott or Irwin from Apollo 15. I remember it was a Falcon feather, in honor of the Apollo 15 Lunar Excursion Module Falcon. I just cannot remember which of them did the demonstration of simultaneously dropping a hammer and a feather in front of the television camera. 5928. CalGal - 6/20/2000 1:10:09 PM Doc, 5929. DocBrown - 6/20/2000 1:40:55 PM Actually, CalGal, there is only one question left and I cannot think of the names of the scandal astronauts. Maybe someone else can. 5930. CalGal - 6/20/2000 3:52:01 PM Doc, 5931. DocBrown - 6/20/2000 5:08:19 PM Apollo 15? Well I'll be doggone. 5932. DocBrown - 6/21/2000 9:06:38 AM Geez, don't all rush up at once! 5933. DocBrown - 6/21/2000 12:23:29 PM Here's a hint on number one: his middle initial is Z. 5934. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 12:31:13 AM 5935. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 12:36:27 AM 3 is "Jump Around" by House of Pain. 5936. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 12:39:30 AM 5937. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 12:45:13 AM Sigh. I had that in mind, which is why I only answered two out of the six I knew. Maybe I should have given it more than 5 minutes, to see if anyone else would jump in. Sorry. 5938. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 12:46:52 AM 5939. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 12:49:54 AM Hahaha! Hey, I prepped for this fair and square -- rote memorization and rehearsal is a skill too, ya know! 5940. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 12:52:27 AM 5) But Scott rejected me, life is unfair, ce' le vie ... (talky part) just you and me... getting jiggy with it... quite pleasant, really 5941. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 12:53:23 AM 5942. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 12:54:54 AM 5943. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 12:55:18 AM Well then, fuck, I don't know! 5944. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 12:56:46 AM So they fucked with a Bill Withers tune also ? ;-) 5945. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 12:58:09 AM 5946. CalGal - 6/22/2000 1:08:33 AM You know, I've noticed before now we have similarly shameful taste in music. I like Will Smith, too. 5947. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:10:38 AM 5948. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:12:04 AM ...He bores me. 5949. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:13:35 AM 5950. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 1:14:22 AM Ace: 5951. CalGal - 6/22/2000 1:16:05 AM I just flipped to the credits of Good Will Hunting and heard "Afternoon Delight" playing and realized, to my horror, that I not only knew the song (and I mean every single fucking word) but I knew the name of the group. 5952. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:16:21 AM Hmmmmm. This is the Quiz thread ... 5953. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:16:29 AM 5954. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:17:24 AM 5955. CalGal - 6/22/2000 1:17:35 AM 5956. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:17:52 AM Starland Vocal Band, Cal ? 5957. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:18:16 AM 5958. CalGal - 6/22/2000 1:18:23 AM What does "dente" mean in reference to pasta ? 5959. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:20:44 AM Starland Vocal Band, Cal ? 5960. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:21:19 AM 5961. CalGal - 6/22/2000 1:21:28 AM And yes, Ace has the definition correct. 5962. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:22:33 AM Fuck ! What am I doing ?! 5963. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:25:26 AM ABBA was one of those groups I didn't really care for in high school, but in time I came to appreciate them. I wish they had reunited a few years ago. :-( 5964. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:26:52 AM 5965. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:35:12 AM 5966. AceofSpades - 6/22/2000 1:41:30 AM 5967. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 1:56:46 AM Ace, 5968. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 1:58:35 AM Ace: 5969. DocBrown - 6/22/2000 9:35:53 AM It looks like Fraaankster wins my quiz, even though all his answers were wrong. For all my Mote friends, read and learn . . . 5970. theDiva - 6/22/2000 9:43:25 AM "Dente means "teeth." 5971. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 11:04:44 AM Here is an interesting quiz on one hit wonders. 5972. theDiva - 6/22/2000 11:13:04 AM "You scored 10! 5973. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 11:17:18 AM Diva - You scored 10? I am so disappointed in you. 5974. theDiva - 6/22/2000 11:21:49 AM You gotta be kidding me. I'm stunned I knew that many. 5975. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 11:59:35 AM Here is something for all the SVB fans. 5976. theDiva - 6/22/2000 12:00:09 PM oh, Mother of God. You shoulda posted a disclaimer. 5977. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 12:01:01 PM (snicker) 5978. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 12:01:33 PM Diva - Behold the power of Cheese! 5979. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 12:02:57 PM You scored 40! 5980. theDiva - 6/22/2000 12:03:42 PM Eric 5981. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 12:32:19 PM Diva: 5982. OhioSTOPAS - 6/22/2000 12:51:41 PM Like Eric, I also "topped the charts" by scoring 40 on the one-hit wonders quiz. 5983. DocBrown - 6/22/2000 1:17:33 PM 5984. theDiva - 6/22/2000 1:18:38 PM well, so whadja score? 5985. DocBrown - 6/22/2000 1:39:03 PM I stunk. Got a ten. But I loved that picture. 5986. theDiva - 6/22/2000 1:39:56 PM Doc! 5987. DocBrown - 6/22/2000 1:54:48 PM Just for you, Diva: Doc Brown having fun last weekend. I ran a rallye. Hey, that gives me an idea for a quiz question! My rallye 5988. theDiva - 6/22/2000 2:29:03 PM Doc 5989. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 4:07:20 PM A Completely Inane Famous Name Quiz 5990. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 4:08:42 PM 6. John Danforth Quayle 5991. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 4:09:35 PM 10. Michael Paul McCartney 5992. JJBiener - 6/22/2000 4:10:36 PM 1. Herbert Ross Perot 5993. AytchMan - 6/22/2000 4:13:32 PM Diva-- 5994. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 4:25:53 PM Biener: 5995. Fraaankster - 6/22/2000 5:30:00 PM JJ, 5996. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 7:38:22 PM Frank: 5997. CalGal - 6/22/2000 7:40:39 PM Henry Ross Perot 5998. CalGal - 6/22/2000 7:43:02 PM Gray is short for Graham, I forget whether his first initial is L or J. Once I figure that out, I should know whether it's Lawrence or one of the major J names. It's common, I'm pretty sure. 5999. CalGal - 6/22/2000 7:44:19 PM Spawn says Steve Young's first name is Jon, without the H. Goddamn geek son I've raised. 6000. CalGal - 6/22/2000 7:48:51 PM Oh, Gray Davis is Joseph, I think. See, that's what comes of focusing on old L. Ron. My brain is recalcitrant, but offers up Joseph instead. 6001. CalGal - 6/22/2000 7:50:17 PM It is an odd name, the L. Ron. I'm pretty sure it was generally unusuable. LaPlante? LeCroix? It's French. 6002. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 7:53:26 PM Cal: 6003. CalGal - 6/22/2000 7:57:07 PM Lafayette! 6004. EricCartman - 6/22/2000 8:10:21 PM Yes, Lafayette. Nice work, Cal. 6005. CalGal - 6/22/2000 8:13:49 PM Hey. I got the millennial. 6006. DocBrown - 6/23/2000 9:21:05 AM AytchMan, good guess, but you would have been closer if you had guessed the largely forgotted President Stanley S. Steel. 6007. theDiva - 6/23/2000 9:27:57 AM Some gams! Woo! 6008. DocBrown - 6/23/2000 11:00:40 AM Ahah! I knew someone would guess Grover Cleveland! 6009. theDiva - 6/23/2000 11:10:58 AM er....Lester Young? 6010. Indiana Jones - 6/23/2000 11:21:49 AM Garfield? 6011. DocBrown - 6/23/2000 11:36:06 AM Bing bing bing! 6012. Fraaankster - 6/23/2000 11:39:03 AM Mornin', guys, 6013. AytchMan - 6/23/2000 1:56:40 PM I'm thinking of a person. 6014. DocBrown - 6/23/2000 3:59:41 PM Wioe that smile off your face, AytchMan! Stop thinking about my wife! 6015. DocBrown - 6/23/2000 3:59:54 PM Wipe 6016. Cellar Door - 6/23/2000 8:16:24 PM Pinocchio Bore: Guilty as hell 6017. iiibbb - 6/24/2000 12:28:32 PM 5 13 17 25 20 12 16 21 20 3 7 4 3 11 12 20 12 19 10 11 12 13 6018. AceofSpades - 6/25/2000 2:08:28 AM Answers to the 6019. Fraaankster - 6/27/2000 4:14:21 PM From a local morning news show Mindbender segment this morning: 6020. theDiva - 6/27/2000 4:20:52 PM fish scales 6021. JJBiener - 6/27/2000 4:21:46 PM Frank - Fish Scales 6022. JJBiener - 6/27/2000 4:22:36 PM Diva - Ya beat me to it. 6023. Fraaankster - 6/27/2000 4:24:48 PM Yes, da both of youse. 6024. theDiva - 6/27/2000 4:25:03 PM nuh-uh! You copied offa me! 6025. EricCartman - 6/27/2000 4:30:53 PM Remaining quiz answers from Message # 6002: 6026. cmboyce - 6/27/2000 4:39:45 PM Well, saline is an adjective, no? So salt is meant? But I can't imagine that lipstick contains something that would make users thirsty. So salt seems out. 6027. cmboyce - 6/27/2000 4:40:39 PM Oops. Much too late. 6028. JJBiener - 6/27/2000 4:42:30 PM CM - Saline is also a noun. It refers to a salt solution of I believe 0.09%. It is used in medicine. 6029. cmboyce - 6/27/2000 4:46:57 PM I thought that was "normal saline solution". But I'm prepared to regard that as merely etymological. Usage determines, etc. 6030. iiibbb - 6/27/2000 5:18:56 PM no one answered my puzzle... no matter...not relevant anymore...heh 6031. Fraaankster - 6/29/2000 4:50:55 PM ( I hope no one is about to eat dinner at this point ? ) 6032. Fraaankster - 6/29/2000 5:21:16 PM Oh, come on,y'all !!! 6033. JJBiener - 6/29/2000 5:37:40 PM Fraaank - Five feet per second 6034. Fraaankster - 6/29/2000 5:49:46 PM JJ, 6035. JJBiener - 6/29/2000 6:19:28 PM Frank - It was simple. I took the distance from the spot where the it started when I turned on the light to the baseboard where it disappeared and divided that by the amount of time it took to cover that distance. 6036. Fraaankster - 6/30/2000 12:07:05 PM JJ, 6037. theDiva - 6/30/2000 12:25:03 PM The Primettes. 6038. theDiva - 6/30/2000 12:25:15 PM And Diana Ross can kiss my ass. 6039. labwabbit - 6/30/2000 1:27:27 PM Diva 6040. Fraaankster - 6/30/2000 3:25:23 PM Deev, 6041. KuligintheHooligan - 6/30/2000 5:44:08 PM "And Diana Ross can kiss my ass." 6042. Slackjaw - 7/2/2000 2:14:56 AM little puzzle: 6043. ButterfieldSwire - 7/2/2000 2:28:56 AM Turn on switch 1 and weight 5 hours. Turn it off. Turn on switch 2. Go upstairs. The light that is on is operated by switch 2. The off light that burns your hand is switch 1 and the cold light is switch 3. 6044. ButterfieldSwire - 7/2/2000 2:29:13 AM Turn on switch 1 and wait 5 hours. Turn it off. Turn on switch 2. Go upstairs. The light that is on is operated by switch 2. The off light that burns your hand is switch 1 and the cold light is switch 3. 6045. CalGal - 7/2/2000 2:42:53 AM Well, I think the answer has to be more elegant than this, but it's the first thing I thought of. White font: 6046. CalGal - 7/2/2000 2:46:14 AM (Note to self: post before you accept your sister's offer to review her children's test scores. (which were, happily, superb). Alternately, refresh before you post.) 6047. Slackjaw - 7/2/2000 2:59:59 AM ha! Very good. Both right. 6048. PelleNilsson - 7/2/2000 7:07:07 AM Just a note on Butter's and CalGal's solutions. 6049. ButterfieldSwire - 7/2/2000 11:38:21 PM Thats nice pops. Now finish your Cream of Wheat like a good chap and you can go sit out in the sun on the porch. 6050. Fraaankster - 7/3/2000 1:36:59 AM Slack got me thinking of an old one I remember as a kid. Let's see if I can remember it in its entirety ? 6051. Slackjaw - 7/3/2000 1:48:44 AM The man was a dwarf and used his umbrella to push the elevator buttons. He was also a little slow, because he didn't realize that he could take his umbrella when the sun shined as well as when it rained. 6052. CalGal - 7/3/2000 4:20:49 AM Slack, 6053. Slackjaw - 7/3/2000 5:11:26 AM That's true, I should have specified that. 6054. CalGal - 7/3/2000 5:17:08 AM Oh, okay. That works. I was going to say that you didn't specify it in your answer, but you did say "he". 6055. Raskolnikov - 7/3/2000 12:57:09 PM I would have thought that Adam would have been identifiable by the fact that he looked about 40 or so. Having been "created" as an adult, he would have looked middle aged by the time he was 21. 6056. DocBrown - 7/6/2000 2:21:06 PM Last time I was in heaven I had a few brews with Adam. He's a very smart guy. Adam told me the same puzzle Frankster used in 6050. He claimed that he made it up himself. 6057. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 3:01:01 PM I haven't done one of these for a while, so I thought it was about time. Name the song and artist for these lyrics. They should be pretty easy, but we'll give it a try. 6058. Dusty - 7/6/2000 3:03:40 PM mama tol' me not to come 6059. Dusty - 7/6/2000 3:04:00 PM Probably not the title, though 6060. Wombat - 7/6/2000 3:05:27 PM JJ: 6061. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 3:08:34 PM Dusty - That is the title. 6062. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 3:09:05 PM Wombat - The year was in fact 1970 6063. Wombat - 7/6/2000 3:09:27 PM Stop (the Love You Save May Be Your Own) 6064. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 3:10:26 PM Wombat - That's the song. 6065. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 3:11:01 PM That leaves #4. Any takers? 6066. theDiva - 7/6/2000 3:13:54 PM 4. Bridge Over Troubled Water 6067. theDiva - 7/6/2000 3:14:22 PM Simon & Garfunkel 6068. Wombat - 7/6/2000 3:14:42 PM JJ: 6069. Wombat - 7/6/2000 3:15:38 PM Diva's right. High harmonies. 6070. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 3:50:36 PM Good Job Diva! 6071. theDiva - 7/6/2000 3:52:40 PM aw come on, JJ. Challenge me next time. Well. I'd not have gotten any other but the J5 tune. 6072. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 4:20:59 PM Let's see if these provide more of a challenge 6073. theDiva - 7/6/2000 4:22:57 PM oh hell. More message rock. I fold. 6074. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 4:25:11 PM Message Rock? Hardly. Well I guess #3 is, but the rest certainly aren't. 6075. Wombat - 7/6/2000 4:59:21 PM 6076. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 5:02:36 PM Wombat 6077. OhioSTOPAS - 7/6/2000 5:30:13 PM 3 is "Dialogue" by Chicago. 6078. OhioSTOPAS - 7/6/2000 5:32:01 PM 1 is a song by Badfinger . . . "Baby Blue"? 6079. JJBiener - 7/6/2000 5:39:15 PM Ohio - 1. Correct. 6080. jonesatlaw - 7/6/2000 11:41:12 PM Is 2 a Led Zepplin song? 6081. CalGal - 7/7/2000 12:20:29 AM My GOD, I can't watch that damn show. I've been ignoring Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, and just stumbled across it tonight. I damn near had a hernia yelling at this man who wasn't sure if who dubbed Audrey's voice in My Fair Lady. 6082. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/7/2000 2:34:09 AM 4. Good Time Charlie's Got the Blues. Singer: Danny O'Keefe? 6083. CalGal - 7/7/2000 2:54:05 AM Hey, Oiv. Good to see you. 6084. angel-five - 7/7/2000 3:13:11 AM Name the movie: "On a f#$%ing Suzuki?" "Hate him back, it works for me." (closing door) "Don't bet on it." 7)"Oh, no, I'm not tense. Well, I did pass out today... and got hit in the head by a baseball... and brushed my teeth with shampoo... then butchered Rimsky- Korsakov in front of 1,500 people, and my clothes fell apart. But I'm not tense." 6085. CalGal - 7/7/2000 3:29:58 AM 2) Shawshank Redemption 6086. CalGal - 7/7/2000 3:31:12 AM Oh, fer chrissakes. If it's Tom Hanks, it has to be the one where he's a violinist. Tall Blond Man. 6087. CalGal - 7/7/2000 3:32:59 AM Ack. And, since Hanks isn't blond, that would be the title of the French original with Richard. Tall Blond Man with One Black Shoe. I don't know what the Hanks version was called; I never saw it. 6088. angel-five - 7/7/2000 3:34:34 AM So how do you know the line's from it? 6089. angel-five - 7/7/2000 3:36:03 AM The name is 'The Man with One Red Shoe', by the way. And that line's indeed from that movie. 6090. CalGal - 7/7/2000 3:59:53 AM Oh, there's only been a thousand or so interview shows on Hanks over the years, where they show clips of all his movies. So lines stick in my head, even if I haven't seen the movie. 6091. Fraaankster - 7/7/2000 4:23:30 AM JJ, 6092. OhioSTOPAS - 7/7/2000 6:10:08 AM (E) is from an awful song called "Reach Out in the Darkness". Was the group called "Friend and Lover"? 6093. theDiva - 7/7/2000 7:54:52 AM JJ 6094. bubbaette - 7/7/2000 9:25:22 AM Is C War? 6095. OhioSTOPAS - 7/7/2000 9:49:46 AM C isn't "War". That lyric sounds familiar, but I just can't place it. 6096. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 11:49:54 AM Recap on my quiz from yesterday. 6097. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 11:54:28 AM Diva - Where did you pick up the word "feh"? 6098. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 11:58:13 AM Cal - I damn near had a hernia yelling at this man who wasn't sure if who dubbed Audrey's voice in My Fair Lady. 6099. theDiva - 7/7/2000 11:58:48 AM JJ 6100. theDiva - 7/7/2000 11:59:12 AM Pick up your toys! Such a schande! 6101. CalGal - 7/7/2000 12:01:31 PM JJ, 6102. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 12:22:00 PM Diva - Sorry about the toys. 6103. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 12:23:20 PM Cal - Even if you don't get to the hot seat, you still get a trip to NYC. From what I understand, you are treated quite well. 6104. theDiva - 7/7/2000 12:27:37 PM JJ 6105. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 12:29:27 PM Diva - I don't think I ever knew where you went to school. 6106. theDiva - 7/7/2000 12:31:09 PM oh. Sorry. NYU. 6107. OhioSTOPAS - 7/7/2000 12:32:46 PM I recommend trying out for "Millionaire". At worst, you get a all-expenses-paid trip to New York City for a minimum of three days. They do take good care of the contestants. 6108. Fraaankster - 7/7/2000 1:30:48 PM Ohio, 6109. theDiva - 7/7/2000 1:33:09 PM Frankus 6110. Fraaankster - 7/7/2000 1:35:19 PM Yes, that TSOP was really big back then. And yes, Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes still sound great today! 6111. theDiva - 7/7/2000 1:36:00 PM You know who has a fine voice a la Teddy, and who I'd like to see do more? Johnny Gill. That young man is one heck of a singer. 6112. Fraaankster - 7/7/2000 1:39:56 PM I've heard of him, but top Teddy ? Really ? Does he have some of those beautiful orchestra arrangements to back him up, also as Teddy did ? 6113. theDiva - 7/7/2000 1:42:24 PM nononono, he doesn't top Teddy. But he's got that gorgeous silky-corduroy baritone. His choice of material has been pretty pedestrian. I'd love to see him stretch himself a bit more, he really has the chops. 6114. Fraaankster - 7/7/2000 1:49:09 PM You've really got me curious about this Gill guy now. I'm gonna keep my ear out for him. 6115. theDiva - 7/7/2000 1:50:08 PM you ain't been nekkid this whole time, have you, boy? 6116. Fraaankster - 7/7/2000 1:54:56 PM Nope, just some Joe Boxer boxer briefs and loafers ( I hope that Don S. isn't around ? ) 6117. theDiva - 7/7/2000 1:55:25 PM I think you need to stop teasin that man already. 6118. Fraaankster - 7/7/2000 2:55:22 PM Okay, I gotta run some errands, so here's what we have left: 6119. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 3:30:26 PM Here we go again. Same rules as before. 6120. angel-five - 7/7/2000 3:32:22 PM Is 2 Billy Joel? That's just a wild assed guess. 6121. JJBiener - 7/7/2000 3:41:12 PM A5 - Nope. Not even close. 6122. theDiva - 7/7/2000 3:42:55 PM oh man. 6123. angel-five - 7/7/2000 6:52:11 PM The rest: 6124. OhioSTOPAS - 7/7/2000 9:05:58 PM JJ is an encyclopedia of one-hit wonders! 6125. OhioSTOPAS - 7/7/2000 9:07:37 PM Is 1 from "Games People Play" by Joe South? (That lyric fits the tune, but I don't remember it.) 6126. CalGal - 7/7/2000 10:49:58 PM Hey, Ohio--where is Dayton? 6127. IrvingSnodgrass - 7/8/2000 2:32:18 AM JJ: 6128. Fraaankster - 7/8/2000 2:51:43 AM I can't believe no one can peg the artists of the song lyrics I have posted in Message # 6118. 6129. PelleNilsson - 7/8/2000 6:04:13 AM 6130. OhioSTOPAS - 7/8/2000 7:24:02 AM Cal: Dayton is on the western side of Ohio, about one-third of the way up from Cincinnati. 6131. Fraaankster - 7/8/2000 10:47:17 AM Okay, that's it. I've got to go out and do some serious gardening today, so here are the final clues to my quiz: 6132. CalGal - 7/8/2000 1:31:41 PM Ohio, 6133. AceofSpades - 7/8/2000 1:39:15 PM 6134. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 1:43:27 PM 1814 Waterloo 6135. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 1:44:20 PM BTW "significant" and "in Europe" would seem to be contradictory. 6136. AceofSpades - 7/8/2000 1:48:33 PM 6137. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 1:49:18 PM 1517 Martin Luther starts the Reformation. 6138. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 1:50:52 PM Ace 6139. AceofSpades - 7/8/2000 1:50:56 PM 6140. AceofSpades - 7/8/2000 1:51:25 PM 6141. CalGal - 7/8/2000 2:06:25 PM Well, hell, I was looking for something they all had in common. I knew the Reformation one and Waterloo. 6142. PelleNilsson - 7/8/2000 2:22:48 PM 1095, the First Crusade, CalGal 6143. AceofSpades - 7/8/2000 2:29:14 PM 6144. AceofSpades - 7/8/2000 2:31:49 PM 6145. PelleNilsson - 7/8/2000 3:34:49 PM I'm terribly sorry about the mis-attribution of 1415. It was Ace an no one else who said the Battle of Agincourt. 6146. CalGal - 7/8/2000 3:42:04 PM Oh, I suppose that would be Charlemagne, then. 6147. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 3:42:52 PM 800 Charlemagne 6148. PelleNilsson - 7/8/2000 3:57:10 PM Yes Greystoke, Charlemagne. 6149. PelleNilsson - 7/8/2000 3:57:42 PM .. begin .. 6150. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 4:03:02 PM Pelle 6151. PelleNilsson - 7/8/2000 4:16:14 PM Momentous stuff, no doubt, but that I know little about. 6152. AceofSpades - 7/8/2000 4:21:15 PM 6153. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 5:33:32 PM Ace 6154. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 5:37:10 PM The "various tribes" link in my previous post is supposed to be this one 6155. Greystoke - 7/8/2000 5:41:46 PM Ace 6156. Wombat - 7/9/2000 11:42:44 AM Pelle: 6157. PelleNilsson - 7/9/2000 1:32:35 PM Wombat 6158. Fraaankster - 7/10/2000 4:18:27 PM Answers to song quiz on post 6131: 6159. CalGal - 7/10/2000 4:22:26 PM Hey. I knew that Tommy James one. 6160. theDiva - 7/10/2000 4:25:31 PM .....'knew'....him? 6161. CalGal - 7/10/2000 4:29:04 PM Not that sense, unless I temporarily took leave of my other senses, 'cause that's the only way that sense would apply. 6162. theDiva - 7/10/2000 4:30:06 PM phew! 6163. theDiva - 7/10/2000 4:30:53 PM oh geez. 6164. Fraaankster - 7/10/2000 4:40:44 PM Sure, Cal, sure. 6165. CalGal - 7/10/2000 4:43:59 PM No, that's because I am really bad at music lyrics in general. I was just surprised that I knew it. 6166. Fraaankster - 7/10/2000 4:50:30 PM 6167. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 12:11:23 PM Congratulations to Ohio and Irv for correctly identifying the songs and artists for the lyrics in #6119. One minor nit, #5 is "Lay Down (Candles in the Rain)". Otherwise, excellent job. 6168. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 12:42:13 PM Here is a new quiz. Same rules. 6169. AytchMan - 7/11/2000 1:02:07 PM JJ-- 6170. theDiva - 7/11/2000 1:13:39 PM 1. Have You Seen Her - Chi-Lites 6171. Wombat - 7/11/2000 1:14:59 PM 5) Trouble Man? Marvin Gaye 6172. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 1:19:13 PM The results so far 6173. Wombat - 7/11/2000 1:21:38 PM What's Goin' On, then. 6174. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 1:22:09 PM Wombat - Nope. 6175. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 1:23:57 PM Here's another hint from #5 6176. theDiva - 7/11/2000 1:27:34 PM oh, crap, I can sing the damned song but I can't remember the title! 6177. Wombat - 7/11/2000 1:36:40 PM Make Me Wanna Holler 6178. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 1:37:50 PM Diva - It was on the band tape you heard at Riv's house. Here's a hint. The title doesn't appear in the lyrics. 6179. theDiva - 7/11/2000 1:38:47 PM JJ 6180. theDiva - 7/11/2000 1:39:56 PM INNER CITY BLUES!!!!! 6181. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 1:42:01 PM Diva - Excellent! Godd Job. I'll have another quiz ready after lunch. 6182. theDiva - 7/11/2000 1:43:18 PM Man, if I blew a Marvin question I'da had to turn in my decoder ring. 6183. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 2:52:33 PM These are easy. 6184. theDiva - 7/11/2000 2:57:06 PM 5. Grazin' In the Grass 6185. DocBrown - 7/11/2000 2:57:31 PM Way too easy 6186. theDiva - 7/11/2000 2:57:37 PM 4. Is that dreadful song by the Guess Who 6187. theDiva - 7/11/2000 2:58:09 PM 1. In the Year 2525 by someone who has fallen in to a richly deserved oblivion 6188. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:05:49 PM 1. Doc Brown 6189. theDiva - 7/11/2000 3:06:38 PM JJ 6190. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:08:17 PM Diva - Don't dis the Guess Who. I liked them as a kid. There weren't many piano-playing frontmen back then. 6191. theDiva - 7/11/2000 3:10:39 PM Well, in pop music, anyway. 6192. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:13:15 PM Diva - When I was 10, I had not yet been exposed to the greats in other genres. I had an AM radio and little access to anything else (other than my dad's Classical and Yiddish Folk records). 6193. theDiva - 7/11/2000 3:13:59 PM JJ 6194. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:18:48 PM Diva - So you can cover up your abysmal knowledge of pop music? (g) 6195. theDiva - 7/11/2000 3:20:32 PM oh, bite me. Wait'll you see the quiz I've got ready. 6196. DocBrown - 7/11/2000 3:21:28 PM These are so easy I can't believe any are still left. I recognize all the songs, but not the artists. 6197. DocBrown - 7/11/2000 3:22:06 PM 4) These Eyes 6198. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:22:55 PM Diva - A couple of years ago TeenAngel asked SuzyQ and I who David Cassidy was. We explained about the Partidge Family and his parents. We then spontaneously broke into "I Think I Love You" and for no reason either of us could figure out, we knew the lyrics to the entire song. We had never consciously thought about the lyrics until that moment, but we knew the nonetheless. It was scary. 6199. theDiva - 7/11/2000 3:23:57 PM So do I. Pathetic. We used to sing it on the way home from school when I was in 5th grade. 6200. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:24:36 PM 1. Doc Brown 6201. DocBrown - 7/11/2000 3:24:44 PM 2) One (is the lonliest number that you'll ever do) 6202. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 3:26:00 PM Brooklyn Bridge for number three. I believe that group had some hits when they were called the Crests in a previous era. 6203. DocBrown - 7/11/2000 3:26:58 PM That's all I know. I love all these songs, but never knew the artists. I am sad to learn that none of them had another hit. I always thought that Zager and Evans showed such promise. 6204. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 3:28:29 PM Is number five Grazin' in the grass ? 6205. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:29:54 PM 1. Doc Brown 6206. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:30:39 PM Fraaank - Diva already got the title for #5. Who was the group? 6207. theDiva - 7/11/2000 3:30:52 PM yes, Frank, I already said that! Work with me, willya. 6208. Wombat - 7/11/2000 3:33:09 PM 2: Three Dog Night 6209. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 3:33:29 PM Friends of Distiction ? 6210. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 3:38:17 PM Good Job Frank, Wombat, Diva and of course Doc. 6211. DocBrown - 7/11/2000 3:41:40 PM Thanks, JJBiener, that was fun. 6212. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 3:43:25 PM JJ, 6213. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:04:33 PM SHITTY SONG QUIZ 6214. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:06:29 PM 1. I am woman Helen Reddy 6215. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:11:52 PM 1. Indy 6216. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:13:47 PM 4. Alone Again (Naturally) 6217. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:13:53 PM Clarence Carter 6218. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:15:05 PM Oh Shit! 6219. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:16:00 PM hahahahaha! 6220. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:16:27 PM cp 6221. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:17:11 PM (Can't believe Diva makes a stinko song list and doesn't include "Patches") 6222. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:18:10 PM What the heck is 'Patches'? 6223. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:19:08 PM It goes something like: 6224. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:19:38 PM oh man. Sounds like a real stinker. 6225. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 4:25:17 PM 2. Daddy Don't You Walk So Fast Wayne Newton. 6226. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:25:29 PM Damn...don't appear to be available online. But I did find a site with both "Patches" and "Having My Baby" in the list of "songs from Hell." 6227. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:26:27 PM 1. Indy 6228. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 4:26:50 PM Diva - Patches is one of those Slit Your Wrist type depressing songs. It is about the son of a sharecropper whose father dies when he is young and he has to support the family. 6229. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:29:32 PM Well, I need to put together a Cole Porter quiz to exorcise these demons. 6230. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:41:01 PM Patches ? 6231. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:42:38 PM ...shovel in his hand ... 6232. theDiva - 7/11/2000 4:45:34 PM Frank 6233. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:49:44 PM More stinkeroos: 6234. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:52:37 PM Deev, 6235. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:54:14 PM Shit! 6236. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:55:07 PM 'Cause you're going be dancing with the Diva, of course. 6237. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:56:23 PM 4.) Paper Lace, The Night Chicago Died ? 6238. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 4:58:11 PM 5.)Seasons in the Sun ? Terry Jacks ? 6239. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:58:45 PM Fraaankster: Correct on #4. 6240. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:59:33 PM #5 has the right first name and title, so it's probably correct for the wall ball of wax. 6241. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 4:59:47 PM wall=whole 6242. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 5:01:48 PM I can't think of them! 6243. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 5:06:31 PM Fraaankster: I'll leave it up a little longer. Thought Diva would be around to make the first one easy. 6244. Fraaankster - 7/11/2000 5:06:48 PM Indy, 6245. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 5:07:17 PM 1. Barry Manilow (King of the Stinkers) Weekend in New England. 6246. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 5:08:48 PM 3. was by Carl Douglas 6247. Indiana Jones - 7/11/2000 5:10:22 PM JJ: Correct on all, though I thought the Manilow song was "When can I hold you again?" Was "Weekend in New England" its proper name? 6248. JJBiener - 7/11/2000 6:00:56 PM Indy - I was pretty sure, so I double checked. When I was in school I played piano at parties and Manilow was always a staple. I usually had several requests for his songs. When a sexy girl asks you to play a song, aesthetics take a back seat. 6249. theDiva - 7/12/2000 7:53:02 AM slut. 6250. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 10:24:02 AM Diva - It is the curse of male hormones. 6251. theDiva - 7/12/2000 12:09:18 PM yes. 6252. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 12:10:26 PM Diva - Ooooooh. Bad pun. 6253. theDiva - 7/12/2000 12:11:29 PM get yer mind outta the gutter. 6254. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 12:13:51 PM Diva - "I can't help it. It's attached to my body" 6255. theDiva - 7/12/2000 12:14:22 PM ummm.....TrouserPilot? 6256. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 12:16:39 PM Diva - Nope. Hint: It is a television character. 6257. theDiva - 7/12/2000 12:20:47 PM Bullwinkle? Ricky Ricardo? Phoebe from the Young and the Restless? 6258. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 12:41:26 PM JJ, 6259. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 12:44:14 PM Fuckin' cache !!! 6260. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 12:45:07 PM The quote comes from a long-running sitcom from the early 70's. 6261. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 12:52:23 PM JJ, 6262. theDiva - 7/12/2000 12:57:35 PM Frankus 6263. theDiva - 7/12/2000 12:58:24 PM urk! I can sing these! 6264. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 1:02:13 PM 5. He's a Rebel by the Crystals 6265. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 1:10:59 PM Shit. I ran to the post office thinking the pickup was at 10.It turned out to be 10:30. Okay where were we ? 6266. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 1:12:23 PM Frank - Is #4 Ike Turner? 6267. theDiva - 7/12/2000 1:13:32 PM no, it's one of those 60's guy groups but I'll be danged if I remember which one. 6268. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 1:15:55 PM Diva - I figured with all the references to violence against women it had be Ike 6269. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 1:18:53 PM Four ? Diva is right, and mama told me never to intrude on another's thought processes. 6270. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 1:25:29 PM I thought the Deev would nail one and three in an instant. After all, she's mentioned both groups in the last two days or so. 6271. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 1:33:24 PM By the way, does anyone how the Phillies are doing this season ? Or how about dem Royals ? I always loved my mama... 6272. theDiva - 7/12/2000 1:39:12 PM THE INTRUDERS!!!! 6273. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 1:44:09 PM I WAS going to breakfast, oh glowing one. Which song ? I've Always Loved My Mama, or Cowboys to Girls ? 6274. theDiva - 7/12/2000 1:44:46 PM I Always Loved My Mama 6275. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 1:46:48 PM There's a station down here that plays an extended version of that song. 6276. theDiva - 7/12/2000 1:50:19 PM yeah, I've heard that version. We used to dance to it every Sunday at the Ice Palace tea dance during my dissolute and misspent youth. 6277. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 1:58:18 PM Okay. That's it. I'm heading out to eat. 6278. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 3:46:36 PM Okay, okay. I give. I'll use this pit-stop for the answers to the extremely difficult lyrics I posted. Here are the artists in order. 6279. theDiva - 7/12/2000 3:48:25 PM dammit, I shoulda know that Kool one. 6280. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 3:53:20 PM You should have known the first one, woman! 6281. JJBiener - 7/12/2000 5:26:16 PM Alright, I've given you guys long enough. The quote was from an early episode of M*A*S*H and the exchange went as follows: 6282. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 6:52:04 PM Hawkeye to a beautiful nurse: Bite your tongue --- or better yet, let me ? 6283. Fraaankster - 7/12/2000 6:52:35 PM 6284. JJBiener - 7/13/2000 1:07:57 PM Fraaaank - Fair? Who said anything about fair? 6285. Fraaankster - 7/13/2000 1:12:27 PM Sidney ? 6286. Fraaankster - 7/13/2000 1:14:25 PM Oops.I didn't mean that. 6287. JJBiener - 7/13/2000 3:13:18 PM Fraaaaank - I don't remember Alan Arbus playing anyone else on the series. I just remember the name change. Harry Morgan played General Steele on one episode before playing Potter. 6288. Fraaankster - 7/13/2000 3:25:29 PM JJ, 6289. JJBiener - 7/13/2000 3:50:44 PM Frank - Arbus only appeared as Dr. Friedman. His first appearance was in the second season. In that episode he was identified as dr. Milton Friedman. I guess the real Milton Friedman objected so they changed his name. 6290. JJBiener - 7/14/2000 12:55:40 PM Here are a few novelty songs to test your wits. 6291. OhioSTOPAS - 7/14/2000 1:12:53 PM 1. "Junk Food Junkie" 6292. EricCartman - 7/14/2000 4:38:58 PM #2 sounds like Kinky Friedman. "Kosher Cowboy", perhaps? 6293. JJBiener - 7/14/2000 4:54:01 PM 1. Title - Ohio 6294. OhioSTOPAS - 7/14/2000 4:57:13 PM Oh, you want the artists too? 6295. JJBiener - 7/14/2000 5:15:12 PM 1. Title - Ohio 6296. arkymalarky - 7/14/2000 5:17:56 PM #5-Wildwood Weed--Jim Can'tthinkofhislastnamerightnow. 6297. arkymalarky - 7/14/2000 5:18:50 PM Stafford 6298. JJBiener - 7/14/2000 5:20:22 PM Very good Arky. 6299. Wombat - 7/14/2000 5:20:45 PM Arky: 6300. arkymalarky - 7/14/2000 5:32:27 PM Thanks, JJ. No, Wombat, though they were both in that nest of Glen Campbell pals back when, if I recall. 6301. dusty - 7/14/2000 6:04:28 PM Stafford did that? I accidentally heard him in concert once. probably heard the song. 6302. JJBiener - 7/18/2000 10:21:04 AM Well, It has been long enough. Here are the missing answers. 6303. Wombat - 7/18/2000 10:52:30 AM "I don't like spiders and snakes..." 6304. DocBrown - 7/18/2000 10:53:44 AM Try to give the names of these three Johnny Horton songs, which are in many ways worse than novelty songs. Sample lyrics are given in ascending order of difficulty: 6305. Wombat - 7/18/2000 11:07:16 AM 1) "Battle of New Orleans?" 6306. DocBrown - 7/18/2000 11:25:41 AM Okay, Wombat, you got the easy ones. 6307. DocBrown - 7/18/2000 11:34:11 AM Since no one is taking a crack at the hard one, I'll post another one that is easy. A very easy one. 6308. JJBiener - 7/18/2000 4:07:21 PM 4. North to Alaska 6309. JJBiener - 7/18/2000 4:13:28 PM #3 Johnny Reb 6310. DocBrown - 7/19/2000 8:34:38 AM JJBiener got #4 correct. #3 is still up for grabs. 6311. AytchMan - 7/19/2000 2:37:42 PM What movie featured (in no particular star order) Edward G. Robinson, Diane Baker, Paul Newman and Elke Sommer? 6312. DocBrown - 7/19/2000 4:07:27 PM Time is up on the Johnny Horton quiz. The only remaining clue: 6313. DocBrown - 7/21/2000 1:54:24 PM About this time last summer my wife and I had a party to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Apollo 11 moon landing. One part was a trivia quiz, where participants had to decide whether events happened in the Apollo Era or not. I thought I posted that quiz here, but perhaps I am thinking of the late, great, Fray. 6314. theDiva - 7/21/2000 1:55:21 PM Doc 6315. DocBrown - 7/21/2000 2:12:35 PM As I suspected, Diva. Those were the final days. 6316. DocBrown - 7/21/2000 2:18:14 PM Apollo Era or not Apollo Era? 6317. jonesatlaw - 7/21/2000 2:26:16 PM Apollo- 2,3,4,6,7,8,10,12,15 6318. DocBrown - 7/24/2000 1:49:53 PM Jonesatlaw has posted 12 correct answers, but three are wrong. Obviously I cannot say which three. 6319. DocBrown - 7/24/2000 4:34:43 PM Answers: 6320. jonesatlaw - 7/24/2000 4:45:31 PM Dammit, I knew Debbie Boone was later, but screwed up on my list. DeGalle and the Beatles had me truly stumped. 6321. DocBrown - 7/24/2000 4:55:36 PM You did really well, Jonesatlaw. Your score of 12 beats all the teams at our party last summer. Their best score was 9. 6322. AytchMan - 7/25/2000 6:43:57 PM Before my quiz question 6311 fades into total oblivion, the answer is The Prize, a mid-sixties Nobel Prize/Cold War thriller. 6323. CalGal - 7/25/2000 6:58:04 PM Hey, I think I read that. Irving Shaw, maybe? 6324. AytchMan - 7/25/2000 7:15:35 PM Don't know who wrote it. But it's an excellent espionage flick. And, should I ever win the Nobel Prize (chances: 1 over national debt cubed), I want Ingelise Andersen (Elke Sommers' character) as my personal liaison. They can keep the money. 6325. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 2:46:44 PM 6326. JJBiener - 7/27/2000 2:49:27 PM 2. The distance light travels in a year. 6327. JJBiener - 7/27/2000 2:50:27 PM 3. measur of distance used in horse racing 6328. JJBiener - 7/27/2000 2:51:22 PM 8. Measure of wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum. 6329. JJBiener - 7/27/2000 2:52:04 PM 4. One pound of sterling silver 6330. AytchMan - 7/27/2000 2:57:45 PM 9. The Beaufort Scale is a measurement of weather intensity for storms. 6331. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 3:07:47 PM JJ 6332. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 3:24:35 PM On consideration, JJ: you did not explain the furlong and the angstrom in more familiar units. 6333. Dusty - 7/27/2000 3:27:22 PM I think a chain is a measure of length used in surveying. Don't know the distance in familiar terms. 6334. Dusty - 7/27/2000 3:28:36 PM A gill is a unit of volume, particularly with distilled spirits I think. Pronounced "jill" if I recall correctly. Dont; recall how many ounces. 6335. JJBiener - 7/27/2000 3:32:24 PM A furlong is 220 yards. 10,000,000,000 angstroms make one meter. I think. 6336. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 3:33:34 PM You got it. 6337. JJBiener - 7/27/2000 3:36:41 PM 7. a unit of liguid measure, I think it refers to a barrel and is around 60 gallons. 6338. JJBiener - 7/27/2000 3:40:25 PM I think a grain is about 1/1000th of an ounce. 6339. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 4:07:43 PM Chain. Dusty is right on what it is used for. 6340. jonesatlaw - 7/27/2000 4:13:29 PM Grains are used in pharmacy and gunpowder weights. 6341. jonesatlaw - 7/27/2000 4:14:30 PM Chain- a measurement of lenght equalling 6 rods. 6342. jonesatlaw - 7/27/2000 4:15:22 PM Hogsheads are used for spirits-wine and whiskey come to mind. 6343. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 4:23:41 PM Jones 6344. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 4:29:38 PM Current standings: 6345. Wombat - 7/27/2000 4:31:57 PM Guinea is (was) a British coin with a value of two pounds (or is it five?) 6346. Wombat - 7/27/2000 4:32:52 PM And how about fathom? 6347. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 5:01:20 PM Wombat 6348. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 5:10:16 PM Fathom is used for sounding. "Mark Twain". But I don't know its measure except that it is more than one yard. We have the equivalent in Swedish "famn" which originally is the distance beteen fingertips on outstretched arms. Cubic "famns" were used as a measure for firewoood. 6349. Wombat - 7/27/2000 5:15:53 PM Pelle: 6350. jonesatlaw - 7/27/2000 5:37:09 PM 10. Kochel listing- ordered system of Mozart compositions. 6351. PelleNilsson - 7/27/2000 5:38:58 PM I'm off to bed now. The post introducing the quiz is Message # 6325. 6352. Fraaankster - 7/28/2000 9:35:01 AM Here are some easier ones courtesy of Mark's Mindbenders of the KTLA Morning news: 6353. Fraaankster - 7/28/2000 9:36:52 AM Wait! One more: 6354. theDiva - 7/28/2000 9:43:55 AM 1. Three quarters back from the screen 6355. Fraaankster - 7/28/2000 9:51:08 AM Deev, 6356. theDiva - 7/28/2000 9:59:43 AM Two was a wild guess. I couldn't get the correct answer without looking it up. 6357. theDiva - 7/28/2000 10:00:31 AM And Goldie makes total sense - WASP-y blonde and all. Clooney and Midler are the children of immigrants, and Carrot Top is an alien. 6358. PelleNilsson - 7/28/2000 10:03:57 AM Four hours to go for the Weights and Measures quiz. Original post in Message # 6325. Current standings in Message # 6344. 6359. Dusty - 7/28/2000 10:18:24 AM I remembered #10, but Jonesatlaw beat me to it. 6360. PelleNilsson - 7/28/2000 2:58:13 PM Answers and comments and results. 6361. PelleNilsson - 7/28/2000 2:58:49 PM 6362. dusty - 7/28/2000 7:58:02 PM PelleNilsson 6363. dusty - 7/28/2000 8:03:32 PM The Erdös Number Project 6364. PelleNilsson - 7/29/2000 2:35:36 AM Dusty 6365. dusty - 7/29/2000 11:03:40 AM Pelle 6366. Wombat - 7/31/2000 3:54:01 PM Time for part one of the "Songs that are so depressing that I want to throw myself under a bus" lyrics quiz. 6367. Jenerator - 8/1/2000 11:21:00 AM Take the Internet Addiction Quiz in the Internet Thread!! 6368. marshame - 8/1/2000 11:53:42 AM 6369. rubberducky - 8/4/2000 9:06:49 AM New Professionalism Test - 6370. Wombat - 8/4/2000 11:06:58 AM Ducky: 6371. CalGal - 8/4/2000 11:11:35 AM Ducky, 6372. AytchMan - 8/4/2000 1:27:52 PM rubberducky-- 6373. rubberducky - 8/4/2000 1:36:01 PM AMan 6374. AytchMan - 8/4/2000 1:58:13 PM rd-- 6375. rubberducky - 8/4/2000 2:14:30 PM um, i don't think so ... i was just posting cuz i was bored 6376. jonesatlaw - 8/4/2000 3:46:54 PM Try holding your arms over your head like a ballerina and spell the word image out loud, then say "lightbulb" 6377. AytchMan - 8/4/2000 3:59:23 PM jones-- 6378. arkymalarky - 8/4/2000 5:52:18 PM I hope you guys aren't trying all this stuff at work. You must be quite the spectacles in the office, if so. 6379. jonesatlaw - 8/4/2000 6:00:18 PM American icon car quiz- 6380. CalGal - 8/4/2000 6:52:32 PM What is a marque and what is an axe? 6381. ArtVandelay - 8/5/2000 1:48:27 AM Answers to #6379. 6382. jonesatlaw - 8/5/2000 2:18:37 PM Art, Correct on #2, close on 3- It was "Eagle" who were remnants of AMC models. Incorrect on the balance. 6383. Jonesatlaw - 8/6/2000 5:40:38 PM Answers to American Car quiz: 6384. DocBrown - 8/7/2000 9:14:27 AM Hey, Jones, you could have given me a chance to answer. I knew a bunch of them, but no one will believe me now. 6385. Jonesatlaw - 8/7/2000 1:01:44 PM Doc- I believe you, and was surprised when the quiz didn't get wiped out immediately. Slow days, and I was too quick to give up. Sorry. 6386. DocBrown - 8/7/2000 1:32:04 PM Believe it or not, the one I would have gotten completely wrong was #6, the 1949 Mercury Coupe in three movies. 6387. Jonesatlaw - 8/7/2000 1:33:26 PM Doc- you are correct sir! 6388. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 2:19:10 PM What European nation is the last surviving constituent part of the Holy Roman Empire? Just for fun, you can guess the nation itself or eliminate three others. 6389. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 2:51:21 PM After the success of the Weights and Measures quiz (>3 answers) we will go for another one. 6390. glendajean - 8/7/2000 2:56:30 PM Aren't horses' height measured in hands? 6391. OhioSTOPAS - 8/7/2000 2:59:26 PM The answer to Pelle's first question is that it is not a coincidence. The length of the meter was intended to be some round fraction (e.g., one-millionth) of the size of the earth (e.g., the radius or diameter or circumference). 6392. OhioSTOPAS - 8/7/2000 3:04:01 PM Duh! Based on Pelle's question, a meter of course must be one 10-millionth of the Earth's radian (1/4 of the circumference). 6393. CalGal - 8/7/2000 3:23:12 PM 6394. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 3:31:04 PM Sorry about the toys. 6395. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 3:37:24 PM Hands is Horses. 6396. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 3:39:04 PM Oops. Didn't see glendajean's post. It's not my fault. I'm a victim of society. 6397. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 3:41:02 PM Aytch 6398. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 3:44:37 PM pelle-- 6399. Jonesatlaw - 8/7/2000 3:44:48 PM horsepower was devised by James Watt to give an rough equivalence of the pumping power of his steam engine to draw water from mines, replacing horses who labored around walk around capstains for this purpose. 6400. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 3:58:16 PM Jones 6401. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 4:02:04 PM All four, I mean. 6402. Jonesatlaw - 8/7/2000 4:14:59 PM Pelle- graciously put- I am missing acceleration in my force equation. 6403. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 4:16:53 PM Current standings: 6404. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 4:32:12 PM Aytch 6405. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 4:39:50 PM pelle-- 6406. Wombat - 8/7/2000 4:40:35 PM Pelle: 6407. DaveM - 8/7/2000 4:46:49 PM Atych - Switzerland? 6408. Wombat - 8/7/2000 4:49:18 PM Pelle: 6409. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 4:49:39 PM Wombat-- 6410. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 4:50:33 PM Neither Switzerland nor Luxembourg. But you're moving in the right direction. 6411. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 4:53:56 PM Wombat 6412. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 4:59:14 PM Since you won't play anymore, I guess Liechtenstein will have to be the correct answer. Good job. 6413. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 5:10:38 PM Aythc 6414. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 5:15:04 PM The Grand Duchy of Liechtenstein is also the answer to: which European country had the highest GNP in 1980? Founded in 1719, territory 157 square klicks, population 27k. 1980 GNP -- US$16440. 6415. Wombat - 8/7/2000 5:17:02 PM Its capital is Vaduz. 6416. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 5:19:28 PM Wombat-- 6417. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 5:19:55 PM I see my quiz has scrolled of the 10-post screen. I'm signing off soon so here it is again; 6418. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 5:20:04 PM Or a better line-- 6419. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 5:23:26 PM pelle-- 6420. KuligintheHooligan - 8/7/2000 5:25:36 PM This from the USAToday website: 6421. KuligintheHooligan - 8/7/2000 5:26:01 PM Sorry, the average is 4.8 not 4.2 6422. AytchMan - 8/7/2000 5:32:08 PM Race car driver. 6423. PelleNilsson - 8/7/2000 5:32:40 PM Kuligin 6424. DaveM - 8/7/2000 5:38:54 PM Pelle - does it refer to water displacement? 6425. Jonesatlaw - 8/7/2000 6:41:28 PM Cheating looking over DaveM's shoulder- registered tons is displacement of water with crew and fuel? 6426. KuligintheHooligan - 8/7/2000 6:51:01 PM OK, not to rock the boat in this thread, I will address any guesses to my occupation quiz in the Employment thread, and will not do so here. 6427. PelleNilsson - 8/8/2000 3:52:06 AM 6428. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 7:24:16 AM This quiz is for non-Europeans only. 6429. Indiana Jones - 8/21/2000 10:18:51 AM Elizabeth II, Windsor, United Kingdom. 6430. Indiana Jones - 8/21/2000 10:20:04 AM Christine is the Queen of Sweden, but I don't know what house. 6431. Indiana Jones - 8/21/2000 10:21:27 AM Prince Ranier, Grimaldi, Monaco 6432. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 12:35:09 PM I had forgotten Monaco. Make that ten monarchies in Europe. 6433. Indiana Jones - 8/21/2000 2:18:25 PM Hmmm.... 6434. theDiva - 8/21/2000 2:19:31 PM Doesn't Denmark have a monarchy? 6435. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 2:23:40 PM Belgium and Denmark are indeed monarchies. 6436. Indiana Jones - 8/21/2000 2:25:40 PM Pelle: I misunderstood about your question and thought we had to name the monarchy, not just the country. The country is a little easier. 6437. theDiva - 8/21/2000 2:26:10 PM I'm gonna say San Marino, Liechtenstein (sp?) and Spain. 6438. theDiva - 8/21/2000 2:26:27 PM nertz. 6439. theDiva - 8/21/2000 2:28:57 PM GREECE! 6440. glendajean - 8/21/2000 2:37:19 PM Nichst on Greece. King Constantine was overthrown by the right-wing junta in the 60s. The Greeks have vote once or twice to deny restoring the royal family. 6441. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 2:38:29 PM UK, Norway and Spain are correct. Juan Carlos too. 6442. theDiva - 8/21/2000 2:42:59 PM aw phooey. 6443. glendajean - 8/21/2000 2:47:06 PM Pelle -- I repeat msg #6440. 6444. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 2:55:39 PM glenda 6445. theDiva - 8/21/2000 2:58:19 PM ah well. 'Twas a shot. 6446. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 3:02:11 PM We now have: 6447. theDiva - 8/21/2000 3:03:04 PM hey, wait a minnit, I got Denmark. 6448. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 3:12:28 PM So you did. Most extraordinarily and awfully sorry. 6449. theDiva - 8/21/2000 3:13:17 PM I think Potter. 6450. JayAckroyd - 8/21/2000 3:31:33 PM Netherlands. 6451. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 3:32:25 PM Holland, or the Netherland if you will. 6452. PelleNilsson - 8/21/2000 3:33:01 PM Netherlands 6453. jonesatlaw - 8/21/2000 8:04:19 PM The Vatican City is a non-hereditary monarchy. 6454. Indiana Jones - 8/21/2000 8:40:43 PM Pelle: Do you know the Royal Houses of any of the others (besides Monaco and UK)? That's what I originally thought you were asking, and I'd be curious. 6455. PelleNilsson - 8/22/2000 12:38:48 AM Indy 6456. Indiana Jones - 8/22/2000 8:52:12 AM Thanks, Pelle. 6457. Indiana Jones - 8/22/2000 9:00:59 AM 6458. alistairconnor - 8/22/2000 9:05:27 AM The Grimaldi family rules in Monaco. A little-known treaty between France and Monaco dictates that Monaco will be attached to the French republic if the Grimaldi (direct male) line should die out. The only son of Prince Rainier and Grace Kelly, Prince Albert, is a "confirmed batchelor". He has been quoted as saying that the question of dynastic succession makes him feel "a heavy pressure on his shoulders". 6459. glendajean - 8/22/2000 11:18:52 AM Alistair -- I know a guy who went to college with Albert and confirms what you said. Still, I wouldn't call this an insurmountable problem. 6460. CalGal - 8/22/2000 11:28:12 AM HE can just close his eyes and think of .... England? At least of Prince Edward, and dream of a world where they can be together. 6461. DocBrown - 8/22/2000 11:49:43 AM Three words: Test Tube Baby. 6462. glendajean - 8/22/2000 11:53:55 AM Perhaps he could think of ... luge rides? 6463. EricCartman - 8/22/2000 3:57:46 PM I thought Prince Albert was acquainted with Michael Jackson. Surely Jacko could teach him some tricks about conception sans "dirty work". 6464. Wombat - 8/22/2000 4:48:44 PM Hell, Edward II of England was able to procreate, why not Prince Albert? He wouldn't have to like it. 6465. glendajean - 8/22/2000 4:51:35 PM Eric -- Albert is balding, for gosh sakes. Way too old for Jocko. 6466. PelleNilsson - 8/23/2000 9:23:06 AM Indy 6467. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 9:28:40 AM Pelle: It's an actual line from a movie. I'll be surprised if no one gets it because the movie isn't very obscure. 6468. theDiva - 8/23/2000 9:34:26 AM Fargo? 6469. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 11:01:30 AM Diva: Nope. 6470. theDiva - 8/23/2000 11:02:27 AM nertz 6471. DocBrown - 8/23/2000 11:03:39 AM What is the line in question? I don't see it. 6472. theDiva - 8/23/2000 11:06:40 AM I believe it is the elegant 'well, fuck me with a chainsaw.' 6473. DocBrown - 8/23/2000 11:08:59 AM 'Reservoir Dogs?' 6474. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 11:27:45 AM Nope, Doc...and the line is... 6475. theDiva - 8/23/2000 11:29:50 AM The English Patient? 6476. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 11:34:48 AM Diva, you're just joshin' with that guess. 6477. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 11:37:16 AM (Well, "bigger things" might not be the right phrase, especially in the case of the male, but he's certainly still around.) 6478. OhioSTOPAS - 8/23/2000 2:23:10 PM Indy: Is it Texas Chainsaw Massacre II (or is it III), featuring the then-unknown Matthew McGoughnahey (spelling not even close, I know) and Renee Zellweger? 6479. glendajean - 8/23/2000 2:24:17 PM Heathers. 6480. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 2:25:33 PM Nope, Ohio. If someone doesn't get it in the next hour, I'll post the answer. 6481. OhioSTOPAS - 8/23/2000 2:25:52 PM I have doubts about my answer since it's hard to see anyone comparing McWhatshisname to Jack Nicholson. 6482. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 2:25:55 PM Oops...glendajean got it. 6483. glendajean - 8/23/2000 4:37:31 PM Indiana -- I always liked Wynona Ryder's last line, someting like I'm just trying to get cool boys like you off my back. 6484. Indiana Jones - 8/23/2000 5:27:23 PM Glendajean: Complete Heathers screenplay 6485. glendajean - 8/23/2000 5:40:36 PM You know what I want, babe? 6486. Cellar Door - 8/24/2000 12:25:27 AM GAYS RULE! 6487. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 5:05:37 AM Here is another quiz for non-Eureopeans only. 6488. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 5:08:10 AM Awfully sorry. I hit the post button by mistake and now the margins are screwed up and the pic's quality is awful. 6489. stostosto - 8/24/2000 5:23:53 AM Pelle 6490. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 5:36:19 AM Hahaha! I'm pretty good at Alaska and Hawaii, but I don't think I'd get more than five of the others. 6491. stostosto - 8/24/2000 6:46:56 AM I once set the goal of learning them by heart, and I think I could still get most of them. 6492. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/24/2000 7:24:06 AM OK, Pelle... you figured out a way to bring me out of the woodwork, albeit with an embarrassingly easy quiz. 6493. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/24/2000 7:28:42 AM I'd be glad to take on any similar quizzes (the states of the USA, Australia or Malaysia, or the provinces of Indonesia, the Philippines or Canada, for example, or the countries of Africa or Latin America). 6494. stostosto - 8/24/2000 7:37:26 AM Hi Irv 6495. stostosto - 8/24/2000 7:45:40 AM Your answers are correct, btw. 6496. alistairconnor - 8/24/2000 7:56:53 AM Moldova was the only one which gave me pause. The names that came to mind were Syldavia and Ruritania, both ficticious countries. 6497. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/24/2000 8:01:42 AM Alistair: 6498. stostosto - 8/24/2000 8:13:03 AM Alistair: 6499. stostosto - 8/24/2000 8:15:48 AM Borduria could also be Bulgaria, I suppose. 6500. alistairconnor - 8/24/2000 8:35:32 AM But Sto, there were occasional references to the Party among the Syldavian traitors... 6501. stostosto - 8/24/2000 9:03:34 AM 6502. stostosto - 8/24/2000 9:03:59 AM Looking for the right answer? 6503. stostosto - 8/24/2000 9:55:38 AM alistair 6504. Wombat - 8/24/2000 9:56:44 AM Wasn't King Ottokhar's Sceptre done before the outbreak of WWII? That would make it more akin to Germany and Czechoslovakia. Note also that the Bordurian fighter plane that Tintin flies into Syldavia bears more than a passing resemblance to an ME-109. 6505. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/24/2000 12:23:34 PM For Pelle and Sto (and any other non-Americans)... let's see how many states you can name in the Eastern USA: 6506. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 12:40:29 PM Irv 6507. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/24/2000 12:53:50 PM Pelle: 6508. theDiva - 8/24/2000 12:55:01 PM could we give him some clues? 6509. Wombat - 8/24/2000 1:19:29 PM Pelle: 6510. theDiva - 8/24/2000 1:22:36 PM hyeah in the South we say 'ign'int'. 6511. CalGal - 8/24/2000 1:23:48 PM Irv, 6512. DocBrown - 8/24/2000 2:02:07 PM I know them all, but then I live near the middle of that map. 6513. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 2:04:59 PM I'm suitably castigated. On the other hand, these are merely administrative units of little import. My quiz concerned countries (most of them smaller than the typical US state, but still) 6514. theDiva - 8/24/2000 2:13:59 PM okay, Pelle, I shall give you some clues. 6515. Indiana Jones - 8/24/2000 2:16:01 PM Mmm...shambling mound formerly known as the incredible Diva...#19 isn't a very good clue for that state. 6516. theDiva - 8/24/2000 2:17:03 PM wait, did I get 18 and 19 reversed? 6517. DocBrown - 8/24/2000 2:18:11 PM 6518. theDiva - 8/24/2000 2:18:44 PM DAGNABIT! 6519. theDiva - 8/24/2000 2:19:47 PM Here it is again: 6520. Indiana Jones - 8/24/2000 2:25:37 PM No problem, Deev. I just hope your sense of humor doesn't also become a victim of biology. 6521. theDiva - 8/24/2000 2:28:09 PM Indy 6522. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 2:34:38 PM 2. Vermont 6523. theDiva - 8/24/2000 2:49:31 PM 2 and 3 are correct 6524. theDiva - 8/24/2000 2:49:58 PM Oh, and Kentucky is on this map and contiguous to my state of residence. 6525. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 3:08:21 PM Diva 6526. glendajean - 8/24/2000 3:14:34 PM I live in #23. 6527. glendajean - 8/24/2000 3:15:55 PM We had a Mote Union recently in #22. It's a serious swing state for the presidential election. Cal visits there quite often these days. 6528. theDiva - 8/24/2000 3:16:34 PM I suppose I should have said that 9 was my birthplace. Where I come from, home state refers to the place where you were born and grew up. 6529. glendajean - 8/24/2000 3:17:43 PM The Motown Sound was created in #24 in its largest city, which is also nicknamed Motor City. 6530. glendajean - 8/24/2000 3:19:40 PM #19 is the home of Delta Blues. Stephen Foster wrote a song that included #18 and the words ...a banjo on my knee. 6531. glendajean - 8/24/2000 3:20:57 PM He also wrote a song about #21. They make a whiskey in that state that shares a name with one of the royal families of Europe. 6532. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 3:22:05 PM 22. Ohio 6533. glendajean - 8/24/2000 3:23:02 PM #20 is where they make Jack Daniels whiskey, and is the home of The Grand Old Opry, and numerous country music record companies. They also have a copy of the Greek Parthenon in that state. 6534. glendajean - 8/24/2000 3:24:52 PM #10 borders the huge Chesapeake Bay. They have elected a woman Senator, and they specialize in crab cakes. It was the only Catholic English colony. 6535. theDiva - 8/24/2000 3:26:11 PM 'my birthplace' and 'the place where I was born' mean the same thing. 6536. theDiva - 8/24/2000 3:26:57 PM IOW, I was born in state #9, and I live in state #13 (or a state of confusion.) 6537. theDiva - 8/24/2000 3:27:17 PM Pelle is going to sic the Lord of the Steppe on me in a minute. 6538. PelleNilsson - 8/24/2000 3:30:38 PM Diva 6539. theDiva - 8/24/2000 3:31:39 PM No, you were wrong about #9. But you were close with your answer to #7. Look there for clues. 6540. PelleNilsson - 8/25/2000 7:19:46 AM 6541. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/25/2000 8:45:27 AM Pelle: 6542. stostosto - 8/25/2000 9:02:55 AM Off-the-cuff, hurried guesswork, whitened. 6543. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/25/2000 9:11:43 AM I am extremely impressed, sto. You did better than 90% of Americans could do. 6544. PelleNilsson - 8/25/2000 9:38:01 AM Irv 6545. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/25/2000 10:00:27 AM Pelle: 6546. stostosto - 8/25/2000 10:28:08 AM Thanks, Irv, you are good at encouraging your students. 6547. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/25/2000 10:36:25 AM Correct, Sto. 6548. PelleNilsson - 8/25/2000 11:27:30 AM Irv 6549. IrvingSnodgrass - 8/25/2000 11:33:15 AM Pelle: 6550. PelleNilsson - 8/25/2000 11:33:57 AM Irv 6551. PelleNilsson - 8/25/2000 11:39:28 AM The pot in question is one for peeing in. I have to stop this Sakonige-like post serialization. 6552. RickNelson - 8/25/2000 11:58:15 AM Anyone wanna try this one? 6553. Jonesatlaw - 8/25/2000 1:11:47 PM One of the companies is the Hudson's Bay company. 6554. PelleNilsson - 8/30/2000 2:30:32 PM 6555. glendajean - 8/30/2000 2:38:52 PM Pelle -- folk wisdom here is that it means "to insure promptness." And I assume that is wrong. 6556. PelleNilsson - 8/30/2000 2:45:54 PM No, according to the Economist it is right. They trace it back to 16th century English taverns which had a box marked "To Insure Promptitude". 6557. glendajean - 8/30/2000 3:10:52 PM Hah! I lucked into that one, Pelle. 6558. cmboyce - 8/31/2000 6:08:07 PM I wonder where the Economist got that etymology. The OED cites the word (the verb) as appearing as early as 1610, but confesses ignorance as to etymology, calling it "rogues' cant" for transferring something to someone else, and tentatively associating it with a much earlier "tip" meaning "to knock over".The new AHD (4th) just throws up its hands, saying "Origin unknown". 6559. stostosto - 8/31/2000 6:26:27 PM I heard the To Insure Promptitude explanation when I last visited London. We went on a so-called London Walk, a guided tour of pubs. I may be hallucinating, but I do think we saw one of those old boxes with T.I.P. written on them. 6560. cmboyce - 8/31/2000 6:47:45 PM Well, it sounds to me as if you've heard a true (ie, proper) false etymology. Aside from the unliklihood (imo) of an acronym entering the language in the 18th century (it seems that some sort of data-processing inclination in the zeitgeist—which came later, with the Industrial Revolution—would be necessary to make ordinary tea-shoppe-going people to take to pronouncing a set of initials), there's the improbability (though perhaps a linguist would not find it so) of that long "e" becoming a short "i" in a matter of a few generations. 6561. stostosto - 8/31/2000 6:52:02 PM But, cm 6562. cmboyce - 8/31/2000 7:33:43 PM Better go back and snap it up! Pre-'80s stuff is getting pretty hot. 6563. cmboyce - 8/31/2000 8:19:35 PM Here's a little miscellany quiz: 6564. jonesatlaw - 8/31/2000 9:02:50 PM 2: Age or era 6565. cmboyce - 8/31/2000 9:17:53 PM Jones: period or epoch in all cases. The eras are "-zoic"; only 4 in number. 6566. cmboyce - 8/31/2000 9:45:57 PM Ha! I just got that age or era answer, Jones! My pardon. You are of course correct. But what I meant was, which period or epoch followed the one named? 6567. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 2:37:03 AM Kwacha is the currency of Zambia, I believe. Ive heard about the Coupon but I don't remember. Probably one of the countries of the former USSR. 6568. stostosto - 9/1/2000 3:56:07 AM I think Ukraine used coupons for a while before changing to hryvnia. 6569. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 4:19:30 AM I cheated and checked on the net. There is no current currency called Coupon. 6570. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/1/2000 7:37:52 AM Am I missing something? Didn't Jones get two answers right in #4 of Boyce's quiz? 6571. cmboyce - 9/1/2000 10:22:33 AM Whoops. Right you are, Irv. (And "hello", btw.) 6572. cmboyce - 9/1/2000 10:26:51 AM Rick, I will agree with jones' "Hudson Bay Company" for your Message # 6552, and I'll guess that the other was John Jacob Astor's firm, whatever it's name was. 6573. cmboyce - 9/1/2000 10:30:56 AM The country with the coupon is not listed in the currency convertor I just looked at, so I still don't know whether or not it's still in use. 6574. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 12:42:23 PM cm 6575. cmboyce - 9/1/2000 12:49:14 PM Well, I'll certainly believe it. It sure sounds improvisatory. And it is or was doubtless so in the country the Gem gives the coupon to (which, to end this, is Georgia). 6576. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 1:02:37 PM Incredibly, Ukraine has to currencies, the Hryvna and the Karbovanet. Source 6577. cmboyce - 9/1/2000 1:54:06 PM I have to leave now for the weekend, so answers will not be forthcoming, insofar as they've not already forthcome, until Monday. 6578. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 4:59:29 PM 6579. Wombat - 9/1/2000 5:41:16 PM Jethro Tull invented the self-cleaning plow (or was that John Deere?) 6580. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 5:56:07 PM Wombat 6581. PelleNilsson - 9/1/2000 5:56:58 PM And of course. 6582. Wombat - 9/1/2000 5:59:43 PM But of course. Good night! 6583. Jonesatlaw - 9/1/2000 6:01:10 PM 3/4 was intended to mean 3/4 of a gallon, which is wrong. I think it is 5 liters instead. 6584. glendajean - 9/1/2000 6:42:06 PM Tull invented the seed drill. 17th Century chap? 6585. glendajean - 9/1/2000 6:42:52 PM That was to further amplify, not answer the quizz 6586. stostosto - 9/1/2000 6:43:34 PM I always thought Jethro Tull was the one with the flute. 6587. PelleNilsson - 9/2/2000 4:10:51 AM Jethro Tull 6588. EricCartman - 9/2/2000 6:43:41 PM Pelle Message # 6578: 6589. CalGal - 9/2/2000 6:45:19 PM I thought his name was Ian something. 6590. arkymalarky - 9/2/2000 6:49:53 PM It is. Anderson, isn't it? But that picture is definitely him. A good friend of mine met him backstage when he was in LR. His ex-wife (does anyone remember the Spin Doctor's song "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong"--one of my all-time favorites? It was based on that woman) got them backstage passes somehow. 6591. PelleNilsson - 9/4/2000 8:32:08 AM Eric 6592. EricCartman - 9/4/2000 3:41:51 PM Pelle: 6593. PelleNilsson - 9/4/2000 4:04:00 PM This is probably close to the device Mr Tull invented: 6594. cmboyce - 9/5/2000 2:46:06 PM Here is the quiz I posted at # 6563, with answers in white. 6595. cmboyce - 9/5/2000 2:46:30 PM toys? 6596. dusty - 9/7/2000 6:09:36 PM Following is an excerpt from "Gadsby" by Ernest Vincent Wright. 6597. Indiana Jones - 9/7/2000 6:11:49 PM Answer: I didn't know it was this novel, but I'd heard of a novel in which the author never used the letter e. Based on the excerpt you've posted, I'm guessing this is it. 6598. dusty - 9/7/2000 7:22:55 PM Indiana is correct. 6599. DocBrown - 9/8/2000 11:04:58 AM TV Sitcom Quiz With a Secret Theme: 6600. Dusty - 9/8/2000 12:49:20 PM I'm looking forward to hearing the answer, but it will be from someone else. I've never watched Drew Carey, or heard of Tony Paco, so I don't have a chance at figuring it out. 6601. theDiva - 9/8/2000 12:55:45 PM 5) What is the secret theme to this quiz? 6602. DocBrown - 9/8/2000 1:35:13 PM 6603. theDiva - 9/8/2000 1:42:09 PM hahahaha! More points than I expected for a smartass remark. 6604. OhioSTOPAS - 9/8/2000 1:59:21 PM #2 Toledo, Ohio 6605. OhioSTOPAS - 9/8/2000 2:00:00 PM #4 KARP 6606. OhioSTOPAS - 9/8/2000 2:01:13 PM No, that's probably wrong. I remembered there was a goofy fish mascot called "the Carp", but that was probably derived from K.R.P. 6607. OhioSTOPAS - 9/8/2000 2:01:50 PM #1 Ironside? 6608. VW - 9/8/2000 2:02:59 PM Wasn't the WKRP rival a giant pig? WKPG? 6609. PelleNilsson - 9/8/2000 3:14:24 PM Being a turnip I haven't a clue about this stuff. Just wanted to say welcome to Volkswagen. 6610. DocBrown - 9/8/2000 4:03:49 PM Ohio STOPAS finally showed up, and gets full credit for #2 and #5. The secret theme to the quiz is Ohio. 6611. OhioSTOPAS - 9/8/2000 4:09:07 PM In fact, isn't it the rule that the call letters for radio and TV stations east of the Mississippi River start with W and those west start with K? 6612. CalGal - 9/8/2000 4:10:29 PM I think so, yes. 6613. OhioSTOPAS - 9/8/2000 4:11:02 PM So #1 isn't Ironside? (A logical guess, though, wasn't it?) 6614. OhioSTOPAS - 9/8/2000 4:12:39 PM And for those wondering about #2, Tony Paco's is a Toledo restaurant recommended by M.A.S.H.'s Corporal Klinger. 6615. DocBrown - 9/8/2000 4:18:28 PM Ironside is wrong, but WPIG is right. OhioSTOPAS has 2, 4 and 5. 6616. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/8/2000 8:44:27 PM About the W and K call letters: Some of the first radio stations, located in Pittsburgh, still have call letters beginning with K (KDKV and KQV), but usually, the breakdown is as described above. In addition, Canadian stations start with "C." 6617. jonesatlaw - 9/8/2000 10:16:00 PM Omaha, which doesn't qualify as a major city, has WOW which was started by the Woodmen of the World Life Insurance fraternity. There is both a TV station and two radio stations with the call letters. 6618. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/9/2000 2:06:02 AM Jones: 6619. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/9/2000 2:07:09 AM By the way, I'm expecting a new participant (and trivia expert) to show up here soon... make yourself known, mystery person! 6620. dusty - 9/9/2000 1:12:21 PM An interesting history of radio call letters: 6621. dusty - 9/9/2000 1:15:55 PM Another excerpt: 6622. DocBrown - 9/9/2000 1:45:18 PM Sitcom questions still available: 6623. cmboyce - 9/12/2000 1:57:48 AM There wasa WJZ-TV in Baltimore in the 50s and 60s—and I think it's still there. Also, I seem to recall that when I and my friends were fascinated with trying to receive far-away radio stations, there was one in Del Rio Texas—highly prized—that was called XREF (though that seems improbable; let's say X-something). 6624. EricCartman - 9/12/2000 2:02:25 AM X is Mexico, isn't it? Back in the day, Wolfman Jack went across the border for a while, to XERB in Tijuana, where they don't have no stinkin' FCC to keep you from broadcasting at 50000 watts. 6625. cmboyce - 9/12/2000 2:08:52 AM Ah, that's doubtless it. Nominally Del Rio, then. Wonder why? Or maybe, purblind teen that I was, I heard Del Rio, discovered there was one in Texas and presumed. And if it wasn't Wolfman Jack we were listening to, it was someone like that. We felt extravagantly knowledgeable!! This was in about 1957. 6626. DocBrown - 9/12/2000 9:01:37 AM Sitcom answers: 6627. Dusty - 9/12/2000 9:32:36 AM EricCartman 6628. Dusty - 9/12/2000 9:34:36 AM DocBrown 6629. DocBrown - 9/12/2000 10:24:55 AM 6630. angel-five - 9/12/2000 10:30:45 AM Doc: Why, exactly, do you remember this? 6631. Dusty - 9/12/2000 10:36:03 AM DocBrown 6632. DocBrown - 9/12/2000 10:50:20 AM 6633. labwabbit - 9/15/2000 7:26:06 PM 9/12/00 6634. labwabbit - 9/19/2000 2:40:04 PM Quiz thread is the first to be to the bottom twice in one week. 6635. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 8:36:45 AM From a recent e-mail: 6636. Wombat - 9/20/2000 9:44:34 AM 5) Georgia 6637. theDiva - 9/20/2000 9:50:09 AM 8. Creole 6638. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 9:54:20 AM 15 REPUBLICAN 6639. mgleason - 9/20/2000 9:58:35 AM Omigod. I only knew 8., 12., and think that 21. is Ellie, played by Elinor Donohue from 'Father Knows Best.' 6640. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 10:03:23 AM here's da stats: 6641. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 10:05:01 AM PP - well, not according to the answers ... 6642. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:06:00 AM Geez, how humiliating is that. Not one wrong. 6643. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/2000 10:08:28 AM 11. The Redneck Riviera is the coastline of the Florida panhandle. 6644. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/2000 10:09:23 AM 21. Thelma Lou? 6645. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:09:56 AM oh, cool! I got Creole wrong! 6646. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 10:10:04 AM 21..Donahue was the initial squeeze for Andy, but "helen" was his regular hearthob for most of the series. Inside NC info I have received suggests that illicit encounters also happened with Aunt Bee and Fife...Goober was a wannabe,and Gomer, well, Gomer had another interest, like the republicans that emanate from the sexual encounters of heifers and steers. 6647. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:11:36 AM I find this information most distressing. I thought people in Mayberry never Did The Deed. 6648. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 10:14:14 AM 11) Ohio - Panama City, FL 6649. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 10:14:50 AM Diva...the giveaway was the followup series...Mayberry RFD..."Repubicans Fornicating Deer"...Mayberry was famous for its pre-wedding Stag parties. 6650. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 10:15:04 AM Re: Message # 6644, OhioSTOPAS. 6651. mgleason - 9/20/2000 10:15:10 AM I think Thelma Lou was Barney's. (And I forgot all about Helen!) 6652. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:16:26 AM HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 6653. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 10:16:39 AM MG: well, i was going for the character's name ... 6654. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 10:17:06 AM Helen and Andy were the fist TV characters to promote safe sex thru abstinance. Thelma Lou and Fife, OTOH, went at it like rabbits. 6655. glendajean - 9/20/2000 10:17:07 AM Yeah, Ellie ran the drug store in the first season (or so). Maria was correct. She ran for city council and all the men almost had a stroke that a woman would do such a thing. 6656. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 10:18:13 AM Ellie ran the drugstore, dispensing condoms and uppers at will. 6657. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:18:59 AM my world is crumbling, crumbling..... 6658. glendajean - 9/20/2000 10:20:07 AM 25 -- Fiddle 6659. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/2000 10:20:30 AM 33. Tobacco 6660. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:21:12 AM Stopas 6661. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/2000 10:25:38 AM My mistake. 6662. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:26:36 AM it's okay, I didn't know either until I moved down here. 6663. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/2000 10:26:49 AM "24) What sport requires 3 legs and a rope?" 6664. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 10:27:11 AM It has long been held that Aunt Bee and Clara had a lesbian encounter or two, but, then ,rumors surround this sex starved community...and of couse FLOYD the Barber was stroking more than hair...and finally Howard Sprague, the living tribute to the Oedipal Complex, further tarnished the fraudelent buccolic image of this hamlet. 6665. Wombat - 9/20/2000 10:27:38 AM Ah did so well 'cause Ah'm from the south part of Noo Yawk City. 6666. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 10:29:54 AM update on quiz posted in Message # 6635 6667. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 10:30:33 AM no one knows 1 & 3?? 6668. theDiva - 9/20/2000 10:34:40 AM oooh. Tasteless, Stopas. 6669. Indiana Jones - 9/20/2000 11:01:09 AM 20. Were the Baldwin Sisters the women on The Waltons who made moonshine? 6670. theDiva - 9/20/2000 11:01:29 AM YES! 6671. mgleason - 9/20/2000 11:04:31 AM I shall say 12 for 1. (even though I know I'm wrong). 6672. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 11:12:38 AM IJ: i'm not a 100% sure. the answer is "The Recipe". is this what you meant? 6673. theDiva - 9/20/2000 11:14:03 AM Oh, yeah, they're stuck on their ends in a circle with one in the center. I'll bet there's 8. 6674. mgleason - 9/20/2000 11:16:41 AM Diva and Ducky, I was gonna guess 8, honest, because I *did* remember the little picture from about 40 years ago, but I thought I was hallucinating. I am totally humiliated now. 6675. theDiva - 9/20/2000 11:17:32 AM no, don't, I shouldn't have blurted out the answer, I have a terrible habit of doing that. 6676. Indiana Jones - 9/20/2000 11:19:54 AM ducky: Yeah, that was their inocuous way of referring to it. 6677. mgleason - 9/20/2000 11:21:03 AM No, Deev, (said with quivering lip). I'll just remember all the times *I* was terribly smart (I'm almost positive I'll come up with something soon, yeah, *positive*). 6678. theDiva - 9/20/2000 11:24:27 AM Shoot, I oughter put together a NYer quiz. You'll ace it. 6679. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 11:24:54 AM Baldwin trivia: 6680. Jonesatlaw - 9/20/2000 11:26:03 AM 2. Number 43- Orange and Light Blue 6681. theDiva - 9/20/2000 11:26:50 AM The Colonel? 6682. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 11:27:54 AM Deev...not the colonel... 6683. theDiva - 9/20/2000 11:29:29 AM aw fish. 6684. Raskolnikov - 9/20/2000 11:30:03 AM "27 When you argue with a fool, what is he doing?" 6685. Jonesatlaw - 9/20/2000 11:30:56 AM 3 Bill Dance is good at fishin' 6686. Indiana Jones - 9/20/2000 11:32:09 AM Sorry, PP, that's as much as I remember. Following up on Diva, I'll guess the General, but I don't remember the beau at all. 6687. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 11:35:43 AM Any nincompoop knows it's The Judge and the beau was Ashley... 6688. theDiva - 9/20/2000 11:39:31 AM Indy, you can follow me any old time, just don't sneeze on the back of my neck. 6689. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/2000 12:25:24 PM ... or at least not just ANY nincompoops. 6690. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 12:38:54 PM diva: actually, 8 is incorrect 6691. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 12:45:20 PM update on quiz posted in Message # 6635 6692. OhioSTOPAS - 9/20/2000 12:59:35 PM 19. The mountaintops look blue in the morning. 6693. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 1:02:11 PM no 6694. CalGal - 9/20/2000 1:06:03 PM I think there are ten Vienna sausages to a can. 6695. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 1:06:23 PM nope - fewer 6696. CalGal - 9/20/2000 1:07:26 PM Hm. I'm visualizing the circle. 7? 6697. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 1:08:07 PM correct 6698. CalGal - 9/20/2000 1:10:00 PM I originally thought it had 4,3,2,1, until I visualized it and realized there was only one circle. 6699. DocBrown - 9/20/2000 4:09:20 PM 6700. DocBrown - 9/20/2000 4:15:37 PM 6701. rubberducky - 9/20/2000 4:26:44 PM Doc 6702. PsychProf - 9/20/2000 4:30:13 PM Doc...Maria was the first to point out Ellie...but you are the only one who has mentioned Helen's last name "Crump"...lotta closet Andy fans around here. Anyone remember the episode that contained Jack Nicholsen? Anyone recall the time Auint Bee was preggers, with Gomer being responsible? Ah, I love campfire talk... 6703. rubberducky - 9/21/2000 9:09:29 AM final tally from quiz posted in Message # 6635 6704. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:14:21 AM Okay, here's another one. Who said what? 6705. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:17:31 AM Come on, this'uns a cakewalk. 6706. Indiana Jones - 9/21/2000 9:26:45 AM 2. Casey Stenghel? 6707. Indiana Jones - 9/21/2000 9:27:57 AM And I'll guess Yogi Berra for all the rest of 'em figuring he has to be right for a few. 6708. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:28:54 AM Is the Blue Ridge blue with rhododendron blossoms? 6709. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:30:45 AM Oops, sorry. I thought I was at the end a page early. 6710. rubberducky - 9/21/2000 9:31:11 AM cmboyce: no idea - i've never been! 6711. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:31:41 AM Indy 6712. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:32:19 AM Ducks 6713. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:33:34 AM Diva, # 5: Ralph Kiner? 6714. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:34:40 AM CM 6715. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:35:43 AM #1: Babe Ruth? 6716. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:36:55 AM #5: Well, it's got to be someone broadcasting a Braves game, and since you spoke earlier of a NY quiz, I'll go on and guess Tim McCarver. 6717. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:37:05 AM 1. No 6718. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:37:24 AM And no on #5. 6719. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:38:25 AM #2: Bo Belinsky? Joe Namath? Don Zimmer? (I'm getting desperate!) 6720. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:38:39 AM Just so's it's visible. 6721. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:39:12 AM I'll give you a hint. He's dead. 6722. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:41:18 AM Is Yogi the answer to more than one of these. If so, I'll take the Yoge for ## 1, 3, & 7. 6723. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:41:50 AM Yes on 1 and 7, no on 3. 6724. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:46:11 AM 1. Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting. Yogi CMBoyce 6725. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:49:46 AM Looks like Indiana definitely had the right idea. 6726. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:52:04 AM actually, that's it on Yogi. You got them all. Here's another hint - the only other person who appears multiple times in this quiz said both #2 and #4. 6727. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:52:52 AM Looks like Indiana definitely had the right idea. 6728. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:53:52 AM wow, you're utterly convinced of it, too. 6729. PsychProf - 9/21/2000 9:53:59 AM 3 & 8 Dizzy Dean 6730. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:54:35 AM Another icon toppled. 6731. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:55:35 AM And that being so, I'll attempt to close it out! 6732. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:56:02 AM 1. Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting. Yogi CMBoyce 6733. theDiva - 9/21/2000 9:56:27 AM CM 6734. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 9:58:24 AM Wow, what a screw up. I was busy writing while you were busy reading my mind. Anyway, I'm glad to hear Dizzy Dean's name, again. 6735. theDiva - 9/21/2000 10:00:12 AM What a dork I am. I don't know why I thought the bold tags would copy over. 6736. theDiva - 9/21/2000 10:00:28 AM shoot, I have to go to a meeting! I fergot. 6737. PsychProf - 9/21/2000 10:01:56 AM My favorite Dizzyism...Young couple sitting in the stands kissing...Dean sez "He's kissing her on the strikes and she's kissin him on the balls"... 6738. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 10:05:32 AM Hahahahaha! That's great, PP! Was Dean a broadcaster, then? (For the Cards, I would assume.) 6739. PsychProf - 9/21/2000 10:22:30 AM He was, and thus taken off the air for that comment, I am told. 6740. Indiana Jones - 9/21/2000 10:29:34 AM I thought for sure #2 was Casey...I've heard it a lot. Thought he said it when he finally retired. 6741. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 10:51:16 AM #8: Ruth? 6742. theDiva - 9/21/2000 11:12:18 AM yeahp. My mistake, sorry, Indy. 6743. theDiva - 9/21/2000 11:13:52 AM 1. Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting. Yogi CMBoyce 6744. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 11:25:46 AM Hmm. The two sex questions remain. 6745. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 11:47:16 AM I have to leave now for the afternoon; I'll try to get back here this evening. In the meantime, let me take a parting shot at Diva's #5: Phil Rizzuto? 6746. theDiva - 9/21/2000 11:47:59 AM 1. Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting. Yogi CMBoyce 6747. theDiva - 9/21/2000 11:48:16 AM Holy Moly! 6748. theDiva - 9/21/2000 11:48:47 AM 6749. Jonesatlaw - 9/21/2000 4:35:59 PM Here's one for Doc Brown and the music fans amongst you. 6750. Indiana Jones - 9/21/2000 4:39:11 PM 2. coupe de'ville 6751. DocBrown - 9/21/2000 4:41:44 PM 5) Little Nash Rambler 6752. DocBrown - 9/21/2000 4:55:19 PM 4) I think papers would describe a "Duece Coupe" as a Ford Model A Five Window Coupe. 6753. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 5:59:28 PM Jones: #9: Two possibilities: "Drive My Car", or "Why Don't We Do It in the Road?" 6754. SnowOwl - 9/21/2000 6:09:06 PM Another posibility for #9. Lovely Rita, Meter Maid 6755. SnowOwl - 9/21/2000 6:13:17 PM boyce, 6756. labwabbit - 9/21/2000 6:14:07 PM (6) 'Bird (Thunder)? 6757. labwabbit - 9/21/2000 6:20:39 PM #3 ...Me Crazy??? 6758. SnowOwl - 9/21/2000 6:25:42 PM boyce 6759. jonesatlaw - 9/21/2000 7:17:12 PM Indy gets 2,3 and 6 6760. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 11:10:08 PM SnowOwl, right on Shakespeare and Hemingway. Very good. And the Shakespeare is indeed fr Hamlet—the young prince harassing Ophelia—and the Hemingway from Death in the Afternoon. 6761. cmboyce - 9/21/2000 11:14:34 PM So, taking a tip from Diva, here's a re-post of the lit-sex quiz (maybe the title will help): 6762. theDiva - 9/22/2000 7:59:38 AM Cm dahling, Keith Olbermann is a baseball broadcaster. 6763. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 9:38:03 AM Well I figured, Deev, but who does he broadcast for? (Or to?) 6764. theDiva - 9/22/2000 9:44:45 AM aw geez, I was afraid you were going to ask that. ESPN or Fox. I catch my Yankee games wherever I can. 6765. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 9:50:14 AM A clue to #4 on the quiz at #6761. The typing is absolutely characteristic. 6766. theDiva - 9/22/2000 9:51:20 AM oh. Silly me. cummings? 6767. RickNelson - 9/22/2000 9:58:45 AM Cheating, I found #4 in Google. 6768. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:04:17 AM Glad to know they have it. 6769. PsychProf - 9/22/2000 10:07:01 AM Keith is with FoxSports. 6770. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:08:11 AM And, no, not cummings. the protagonist has an amanuensis who cannot, for anatomical reasons, use the shift keys. 6771. theDiva - 9/22/2000 10:16:59 AM the METS? 6772. theDiva - 9/22/2000 10:17:22 AM Gawd amighty. T.S. Eliot? 6773. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:19:36 AM Nope to Eliot. And yeahp (nice coinage, btw) to the Metsies. Puts steel in my soul, watching them fuck up. 6774. theDiva - 9/22/2000 10:21:24 AM Sorry, I just don't know what came over me. I cannot fathom an obviously intelligent, cultured individual as yourself preferring the Mets. 6775. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:27:25 AM Well, I grew up in Baltimore—aged nine when the Birds arrived—and was naturally a Yankee-hater. Not only that, before there were Orioles I was a Cardinals fan (my mother's from StL and was one too), and I inherited racial memories of the 1926 series and whatnot. And there's the despicable dh to be considered too. 6776. Indiana Jones - 9/22/2000 10:27:56 AM Archibald MacLeish? 6778. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:31:02 AM No on MacLeish. 6779. Indiana Jones - 9/22/2000 10:31:24 AM No, no, Don Marquis. 6780. Indiana Jones - 9/22/2000 10:33:11 AM And the cat was Mehitabel. 6781. theDiva - 9/22/2000 10:36:08 AM heck, yeah, GO BERNIE! 6782. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:36:29 AM Yeah, there ya go! Ol' archie and mehitabel. 6783. PsychProf - 9/22/2000 10:40:50 AM Hanover musta froze yer brain CM...never root for the Yankee bums. Go METS... 6784. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:42:02 AM Haha! I like that derivation of MacLeish. 6785. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 10:42:49 AM Hanover was so freezing it never reached my baseball consciousness, PP. 6786. theDiva - 9/22/2000 10:56:59 AM Prof, you shoulda been at my house last night. Gracie waxed poetic and philosphical for over 20 minutes on the beauty and metaphysics of baseball, and the complexities of the game of being reflected in the complex geometric layout of the field. I thought I'd pop with pride. 6787. PsychProf - 9/22/2000 11:00:30 AM How nice deev...I bet Gracie and I would be great friends... 6788. RickNelson - 9/22/2000 11:02:04 AM CM if the "yield" poem wasn't written by this poet, they may have known each other. 6789. theDiva - 9/22/2000 11:03:17 AM Prof 6790. theDiva - 9/22/2000 11:03:32 AM Oh, that's Dorothy Parker, Rick. 6791. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 11:03:37 AM Ogden Nash, who also wrote: "Candy is dandy / but liquor is quicker." 6792. theDiva - 9/22/2000 11:05:34 AM uh-oh. Controversy. 6793. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 11:07:27 AM Whoops, Diva might be right. Let me see if I can look it up. ...[googling]... She is. 6794. cmboyce - 9/22/2000 11:08:03 AM I stand corrected. I sit corrected, too. 6795. theDiva - 9/22/2000 11:10:55 AM I know my Dot. 6796. RickNelson - 9/22/2000 11:11:57 AM LOL CM and Diva. 6797. RickNelson - 9/22/2000 11:13:03 AM If I don't drive around the park, 6798. Wombat - 9/22/2000 12:57:09 PM "If all the Vassar girls at a Harvard mixer were laid end-to-end, I wouldn't be suprised." 6799. Jonesatlaw - 9/22/2000 2:38:51 PM Can you imagine all the rapier wit from Dorothy Parker that have been lost? Now there's something to argue in favor of time travel. 6800. DocBrown - 9/25/2000 9:42:22 AM 6801. cmboyce - 9/25/2000 8:04:51 PM Dorothy Parker fans should check the Poetry thread, where several other gems now reside. 6802. cmboyce - 9/27/2000 7:27:16 PM Alright, Goddamit! A quiz: 6803. cmboyce - 9/27/2000 7:32:04 PM St. Pete, Russia, shd the question arise. 6804. lemwalker - 9/27/2000 7:46:35 PM 1. Ike 6805. cmboyce - 9/27/2000 10:23:10 PM Pretty good, Lem. Right on 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 9. 8's wrong (the eponymous Mani lived into the 3d century AD. As for #6, that was a trick question, in that I've seen both declared oldest city in the world, and looking it up just now, it appears, as I suspected, that there's no determining it—both seem to be old beyond the archaeological record. 6806. Stumbo - 9/27/2000 11:52:45 PM From Sunday's "Fun Corner" (in the comics section of one of our local rags): 6807. EricCartman - 9/28/2000 2:08:15 AM Message # 6806: 6808. Stumbo - 9/28/2000 2:35:39 AM No, no, it's "coussn." Correct on "Minnisota," though. 6809. Stumbo - 9/28/2000 3:02:54 AM (My main concern here is for the children, of course. I, sloshed as I was at the time, was merely momentarily perplexed -- but they will be emotionally scarred for the rest of their earthly lives.) 6810. Dusty - 9/28/2000 1:23:43 PM Oh sure, the spelling Nazi's, at it again. 6811. Wombat - 9/28/2000 1:25:44 PM Not to mention the puctuation Nazis.... 6812. Wombat - 9/28/2000 1:26:15 PM That is...punctuation Nazis. 6813. dusty - 9/29/2000 10:17:02 PM What is special about binnenhuisarchitecten? 6814. IrvingSnodgrass - 9/30/2000 7:54:47 AM I believe it's Dutch for an interior decorator, but I couldn't say what is special about it. 6815. dusty - 9/30/2000 12:55:17 PM IrvingSnodgrass 6816. IrvingSnodgrass - 10/1/2000 7:00:19 AM Dusty: 6817. msgreer - 10/4/2000 2:30:00 PM 800-973-2211. Curious? Go to Health Thread. 6818. cmboyce - 10/5/2000 1:06:04 AM Hahaha! Good fucking lord! 6819. AytchMan - 10/5/2000 2:48:24 PM dusty-- 6820. jonesatlaw - 10/5/2000 10:44:30 PM Doc- big bonus points for the 348-409 connection and the Bel-Aire vs Impala distinction. You da man! 6821. IrvingSnodgrass - 10/5/2000 10:49:18 PM (also a btw) Hi Aytch! I owe you an e-mail (along with almost everyone else in the world). 6822. Stumbo - 10/6/2000 2:01:54 AM A coupla extremely pedantic comments... 6823. Stumbo - 10/6/2000 2:12:23 AM Question: 6824. cmboyce - 10/6/2000 2:29:09 AM The answer, or at least an answer, to Stumbo's quiz (in white): In three words, "Winnie, a wife" 6825. Stumbo - 10/6/2000 2:39:51 AM Bingo. 6826. Stumbo - 10/6/2000 2:42:56 AM (That was quite a bit quicker than I expected. Good job.) 6827. IrvingSnodgrass - 10/6/2000 4:51:28 AM Stumbo: 6828. PelleNilsson - 10/6/2000 6:39:10 AM But Nelson is not married to Winnie anymore. 6829. stostosto - 10/6/2000 7:19:48 AM 6830. mgleason - 10/6/2000 8:44:04 AM 6831. theDiva - 10/6/2000 8:47:28 AM sto 6832. PelleNilsson - 10/6/2000 9:54:31 AM Even I knew that. 6833. Dusty - 10/6/2000 10:36:01 AM Stumbo 6834. Stumbo - 10/6/2000 12:20:03 PM Pelle, #6828: 6835. dusty - 10/7/2000 1:37:11 PM That "binnenhuisarchitecten" is the longest Dutch word comprised solely of chemical symbols for elements is just a statement of fact, but you won't hear any politicians reporting said fact. 6836. dusty - 10/7/2000 1:37:48 PM Sorry, wrong thread. 6837. labwabbit - 10/9/2000 11:48:30 AM 6838. dusty - 10/9/2000 2:54:40 PM We had a light switch problem earlier from Slackjaw Message # 6042. Here is a different one: 6839. JJBiener - 10/9/2000 3:17:30 PM Dusty - 6840. dusty - 10/9/2000 3:50:10 PM Bingo! 6841. stostosto - 10/9/2000 4:53:48 PM Arnold Palmer is ---- a golfer?!!! 6842. angel-five - 10/11/2000 7:22:32 PM Son of the Common Threads Quiz: 6843. angel-five - 10/11/2000 7:22:53 PM Oh, hell. Wait for me to finish. 6844. Indiana Jones - 10/11/2000 7:24:34 PM 2. bone 6845. Indiana Jones - 10/11/2000 7:26:38 PM 5. saints or Virgin Islands 6846. angel-five - 10/11/2000 8:36:37 PM 5)Thomas, John, Peter (looking for something not terribly obvious) If this were a series of four related hints the first would be 1948 6847. angel-five - 10/11/2000 8:37:45 PM Indiana is right on both and gets extra credit for getting the one on short clues. 6848. angel-five - 10/11/2000 8:38:15 PM And he gets a healthy drubbing about the head and shoulders for not waiting. 6849. mgleason - 10/11/2000 8:42:42 PM 17 house 6850. mgleason - 10/11/2000 8:43:51 PM 8 astrological signs 6851. mgleason - 10/11/2000 8:44:56 PM 13 class? 6852. angel-five - 10/11/2000 8:45:33 PM All but class. (But then I never had any.) 6853. mgleason - 10/11/2000 8:48:45 PM 7 society? 6854. angel-five - 10/11/2000 8:50:56 PM Nope, not society. I think you're in the right vein of thought, though. 6855. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 8:55:52 PM 7. market 6856. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 8:55:55 PM 7. market 6857. mgleason - 10/11/2000 8:58:30 PM Ah, Snow! I really, really want to say 'perfidious' for 21. 6858. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 8:59:59 PM 1. farm? 6859. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 9:02:04 PM Haha, great minds. So did I! 6860. angel-five - 10/11/2000 9:03:01 PM Snow is right, right, and right. But either my questions are more obscure or else they're slanted toward a US reader because she usually gets like ten right off the bat. 6861. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 9:05:39 PM 18. steel 6862. angel-five - 10/11/2000 9:06:40 PM Yup. 6863. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 9:08:07 PM Go for obscurity, but I'm thinking. Of course that means that I won't get a thing done for the rest of the day because my mind will be full of garbage, trying to make links. 6864. mgleason - 10/11/2000 9:12:13 PM 22 flowers 6865. angel-five - 10/11/2000 9:13:15 PM That might work but it's not what I'm going for. 6866. mgleason - 10/11/2000 9:14:08 PM oh, sure 6867. mgleason - 10/11/2000 9:31:39 PM 21 Wm Blake (this won't be it either, but tough) 6868. mgleason - 10/11/2000 9:38:08 PM 23 Pink Floyd 6869. mgleason - 10/11/2000 9:43:46 PM 15 trans 6870. angel-five - 10/11/2000 9:43:49 PM Both right. 6871. angel-five - 10/11/2000 9:44:17 PM All three right, I should have said. 6872. mgleason - 10/11/2000 9:46:12 PM 14 congress (ahem) 6873. angel-five - 10/11/2000 9:49:20 PM bwahahahaha. No, the Kama Sutra is not the common thread. But it probably ought to be. 6874. mgleason - 10/11/2000 9:52:23 PM I get extra-credit, then, for most imaginative answer. 6875. angel-five - 10/11/2000 9:54:50 PM Sure. I'm just kicking myself for NOT making a Kama Sutra question. 6876. mgleason - 10/11/2000 10:02:03 PM 12 duration? 6877. mgleason - 10/11/2000 10:12:32 PM 6 dual 6878. mgleason - 10/11/2000 10:17:20 PM 16 basketball 6879. angel-five - 10/11/2000 10:22:36 PM Nope, nope, yep. 6880. mgleason - 10/11/2000 10:28:46 PM 6 electron 6881. angel-five - 10/11/2000 10:30:06 PM That works. I was going for 'head'. 6882. mgleason - 10/11/2000 10:35:51 PM God, this debate has done wonders for my concentration! (I've never heard of head stream or stream head, though.) 6883. mgleason - 10/11/2000 10:39:03 PM 9 Gov't. spy programs? 6884. angel-five - 10/11/2000 10:41:16 PM Blame my ecology courses for that one. A headstream is the primary watershed source for a river. CIA code names for projects, yes. 6885. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 10:56:11 PM 1. man 6886. SnowOwl - 10/11/2000 11:01:04 PM that should be: 6887. angel-five - 10/11/2000 11:11:43 PM manage, mango, mandate. Yes. 6888. mgleason - 10/11/2000 11:12:08 PM 10 -ile (thanks, Snow!) 6889. angel-five - 10/11/2000 11:13:34 PM Hostile, gentile, Castile. Correct. 6890. angel-five - 10/11/2000 11:22:20 PM 1)tank, fat, truck -- farms 6891. mgleason - 10/11/2000 11:24:19 PM 13 suit? 6892. angel-five - 10/11/2000 11:26:14 PM yep. 6893. mgleason - 10/11/2000 11:29:48 PM You know, there really is a 'club class.' 6894. angel-five - 10/11/2000 11:33:20 PM Club class? Is that when you know how to dance without spilling your White Russian? 6895. mgleason - 10/11/2000 11:37:55 PM Close, but White Russians are déclassé. It's your Campari that you musn't spill (especially if your name is Dieter). 6896. angel-five - 10/11/2000 11:39:48 PM Campari clashes with my medallions. 6897. mgleason - 10/11/2000 11:42:16 PM Yes. It might even corrode them. 6898. SnowOwl - 10/12/2000 12:07:18 AM 22. gilded (or golden) 6899. mgleason - 10/12/2000 12:13:32 AM 11 missiles (help from Ed) 6900. angel-five - 10/12/2000 12:28:08 AM Snowowl is correct with gilded. The Foxhound's actually a fighter plane -- I was going for NATO designations of Sov weapons systems -- but due to the lateness of the hour I'll award full credit. 6901. mgleason - 10/12/2000 12:37:02 AM Many thanks. Here is what I think is my last attempt: 6902. angel-five - 10/12/2000 12:41:49 AM Actually the more I think about 14) the more I feel like a doofus for putting it up. It's kind of ridiculous. It's totally obscure, a riddle wrapped in an irrelevancy stuffed in a confusion. Even if I offer a hint it's still gonna look lame. But I'll offer a hint: Movies. 6903. angel-five - 10/12/2000 12:43:08 AM And when someone gets it, remember, I told you, it's a lame question. 6904. mgleason - 10/12/2000 12:46:20 AM Aw, jeez. De Niro. (You shoulda stuck with 'congress.') 6905. angel-five - 10/12/2000 1:01:52 AM I warned you... Finishing it out. 3)last three World Cup Final sites 19)last three years in which the Triple Crown was won. 6906. angel-five - 10/12/2000 2:05:59 AM A new game:Word Bridging You are given a beginning, a middle, and an end word. So: Thus, Mall -- SMALLEST -- Set -- MICROCASSETTE -- Cot -- FACTORY -- Fry --REFECTORY -- Roc -- CORROSIVE -- Rose. The competition is, of course, to fill in the blanks using the smallest overall total of letters. 6907. AceofSpades - 10/12/2000 2:33:34 AM 6908. SnowOwl - 10/12/2000 9:13:18 AM 6906 6909. Indiana Jones - 10/12/2000 9:27:04 AM If I understand the rules... 6910. Uterine Fury - 10/12/2000 9:39:45 AM 19)last three years in which the Triple Crown was won. 6911. angel-five - 10/12/2000 1:09:02 PM racing. 6912. angel-five - 10/12/2000 1:11:48 PM Is that a nautical term or a Pauly Shore-ism? 6913. OhioSTOPAS - 10/12/2000 1:12:32 PM Is that what a smoker flies into when his Bic won't work? 6914. mgleason - 10/12/2000 1:22:42 PM (Some of these words are from the OED.) 6915. angel-five - 10/12/2000 1:32:19 PM Some that might be easier: 6916. angel-five - 10/12/2000 1:33:18 PM Never mind, the answers are rolling in. 6917. angel-five - 10/12/2000 1:33:50 PM I'll check up later. 6918. Dusty - 10/12/2000 6:34:57 PM Door ---- Nail ---- Tone 6919. angel-five - 10/12/2000 6:56:11 PM Well, yeah. I originally constructed that as ROOD Nail (chuckle) and then at the last minute said 'well, why use rood? someone'll ask what it means.' And used Door instead and left. Oh, well, that'll happen. 6920. Dusty - 10/12/2000 6:59:03 PM 9) Rule LAURELED Dale PEDESTAL Sept 6921. angel-five - 10/12/2000 8:34:06 PM And some more: 6922. SnowOwl - 10/13/2000 12:39:24 AM 7. tier INSERTIONS sins NOSERINGS gone 6923. angel-five - 10/13/2000 1:01:46 AM There is a way to do that one with two fewer letters. 6924. angel-five - 10/13/2000 1:02:17 AM (Just egging you on.) 6925. SnowOwl - 10/13/2000 1:20:14 AM Hah! I'm sure there is, but I'm in the middle of cooking dinner and I'm having problems remembering the words let alone worrying about how many letters I'm using. 6926. SnowOwl - 10/13/2000 2:08:23 AM 10. salt TAINTLESS sent TRITENESS site 6927. AytchMan - 10/13/2000 11:14:22 PM Hoping that you guys have wrapped up those alphabet soup shenanigans for a bit... 6928. angel-five - 10/15/2000 10:07:42 PM None. 6929. SnowOwl - 10/15/2000 10:42:31 PM Angel 6930. angel-five - 10/15/2000 11:06:46 PM Change in answer and answer to the query Actually my answer is one. I did all that, too. You end up realizing that although -- in order for the problem to actually have some function as a problem -- there has to be a rhyme and reason as to how the envelopes are stuffed, and that this rhyme and reason probably reduces to the ability to make exact change over a wide range of costs, it's all a lot of work. The table at which I stopped trying to brute it out at first was the same as the one you list. My original answer was had through laziness. I tried the same changing table as you at first, gave it up as hopeless, guessed that there was no reason why you'd need a one dollar bill period, and therefore made the wrong guess. It wasn't until I started explaining to you why I guessed 'zero' that the powers of two series leaped out at me. The two-power table which yields the optimum changing capacity. It's also elegant in that it's a nice way to keep track of your running total, as it's exactly twice the last number in the series. 1/2/4/8/16/32/64/128/256/512/1024/2048/4096/8192/and rounding at 8616. Nicely enough envelope 2 (2) 8 (128) and 14 (8192)all dovetail nicely giving us 8322. The answer is therefore one, because there are two dollar bills and only in the case of 128 do you end up with a situation where you save a bill by not using all twos (100, 20, 5, 2, 1, as opposed to 100, 20, 2, 2, 2, 2). 6931. angel-five - 10/15/2000 11:08:59 PM Um, let me rephrase a part of that: I should have said 'there are $2 bills' instead of 'there are two dollar bills.' 6932. angel-five - 10/15/2000 11:21:05 PM Of course, the whole premise is a little shaky. We assume the woman's a rational actor but she takes 25k to a car auction and arranges it in such a manner that she can make exact change for under a hundred dollars but not in the range above the 16k mark. Cars don't tend to cost under a hundred dollars, antique or no, but they DO tend to cost over 16k. Perhaps she was just ignorant of the price of cars and took out 25k because it sounded like a nice round sum, and she has a fondness for powers series. At any rate: I fully expect my Mercedes as soon as the arrangements can be made. 6933. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 3:44:24 AM angel-- 6934. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 3:47:49 AM In what year was the quartz crystal first used for timekeeping? Closest guess gets the Mercedes that we're stiffing Angel-Five on. No fair if you saw this in USA Today recently. 6935. Dusty - 10/16/2000 8:54:20 AM AytchMan 6936. Dusty - 10/16/2000 8:55:29 AM AytchMan 6937. PelleNilsson - 10/16/2000 11:54:02 AM Aythman 6938. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 3:38:17 PM Dusty 6935-- 6939. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 3:41:38 PM Quartz guesses -- 6940. Dusty - 10/16/2000 4:10:02 PM AytchMan 6941. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:17:40 PM Dusty-- 6942. angel-five - 10/16/2000 4:23:37 PM Aytchman: Damn your evasions. I want my Mercedes and I want it right now. If I have to I'll send the boys over to collect it. 6943. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:32:42 PM angel-- 6944. angel-five - 10/16/2000 4:35:43 PM I didn't say I wanted them to make babies, I said I wanted them to get my damn Mercedes. But, you're right. There shouldn't be a problem. (looking around) Say, it'd be a shame if your place had, you know, a bad fire or something. 6945. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:37:58 PM (looking around) Say, it'd be a shame if your place had, you know, a bad fire or something. 6946. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 4:40:33 PM angel-- 6947. dusty - 10/16/2000 9:15:16 PM AytchMan 6948. angel-five - 10/16/2000 9:39:58 PM Dusty: Sorry, I'm with Aytch. The principles are there, inherent in what was said. The simple fact that the post was offered as a brain teaser cues you in. Why's she do the envelopes? If it's totally random then there's no puzzle at all, no applicability WRT an auction and extremely fortuitous that she just happens to get her bid in a manner that exactly matches three of her envelopes. Once again, if she just knew what the total was for those three envelopes and made it her bid, there's no puzzle to solve -- there's no way to tell, the total of ones can be any number between 0 and 3. The fact that it's phrased as a question to which there's a definite answer means that there's some other pattern besides randomness to the envelopes. What's the most likely pattern? One for changing. I guess it's all a matter of taste but it all seemed implicit to me. 6949. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 9:44:23 PM Dusty-- 6950. angel-five - 10/16/2000 9:53:04 PM I'm going to guess 1820 for the crystal. 6951. angel-five - 10/16/2000 9:54:13 PM You talk funny for a man who owes me a car. 6952. AytchMan - 10/16/2000 9:58:11 PM So far, threee guesses on the quartz crystal: 6953. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 12:06:06 AM Quartz crystal answer: 6954. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 4:33:40 PM New puzzle: 6955. CalGal - 10/17/2000 4:41:44 PM I'm assuming that the pirate who makes the proposal gets to vote as well? 6956. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 4:45:29 PM Yes. 6957. Jonesatlaw - 10/17/2000 4:50:48 PM Pirate five should offer 1/3 to the highest two ranking pirates and one third to himself. 6958. Jonesatlaw - 10/17/2000 4:52:30 PM Or if the vote is serial, 1/3 to the first two to vote in favor of his proposal. 6959. Jonesatlaw - 10/17/2000 4:53:03 PM that should be 1/3 each. 6960. CalGal - 10/17/2000 4:53:52 PM Well, I'm probably thinking this through badly, but he should offer money to himself, 3, and 4. The only thing I can't figure out is if he has to offer 3 and 4 any money at all, or if they are better off with him getting all the money and them not being thrown overboard. 6961. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 4:54:38 PM Pirate 5 needs to offer two of the pirates a better proposal than what they will get from Pirate 4, who will need to offer two of the pirates (50/50 isn't a majority) better than what they will get from pirate 3, etc. 6962. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 4:55:16 PM I think he has to sidle up to 3 and 4, rather than 1 and 2. 6963. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 4:56:34 PM My post was in response to Lawyerin' Cuz. I basically agree with Cal. 6964. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 4:58:38 PM Jones-- 6965. DocBrown - 10/17/2000 4:59:21 PM The way I see it, Pirates 1 and 2 have no incentive to accept anything less than half the treasure each. Pirates 1 & 2 will vote against any suggestion that gives any gold to pirate 5. If he is infinitely greedy, pirate five will never make a suggestion that 1 & 2 will like. 6966. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:00:42 PM I don't see Rask's Pirate 4 offer working. Pirate 2 has no reason to accept it. 6967. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:01:21 PM Another option is if the bloodthirstiness overpowers all ties. If so, pirate two is dead anyway if it gets down to him, meaning that pirate three can get his vote for nothing, keeping all to himself. This means pirate four can buy pirates one and two off for a gp each, and pirate five can then buy pirate 3 for 1 gp, and then give either pirate one or two 1 gp, saving 1 gp over my previous scenario. 6968. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:02:20 PM And I think, as a result of my last post, that Pirate 5 would have to offer more to Pirate 3 to make it worthwhile. Pirate 4, if it got to him, would have to offer more to Pirate 2 for the same reason. 6969. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:02:47 PM "I don't see Rask's Pirate 4 offer working. Pirate 2 has no reason to 6970. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 5:04:02 PM As always, it's fascinating to see the different approaches. 6971. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:04:15 PM Rask, 6972. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 5:05:11 PM Aytch: If a proposal ends in a tie vote, is the person thrown overboard or his proposal accepted? 6973. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:05:45 PM He *won't* do as well under pirate 3. Under pirate three he gains one gp. Under pirate four, he gets 2, an improvement of one gp. 6974. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:06:18 PM strictly speaking, a tie vote is not a majority. 6975. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:07:02 PM And, now that I think of it, why would Pirate 4 accept Pirate 5's offer unless it was better than he could do himself by rejecting it and throwing 5 overboard and getting his chance to offer? 6976. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:08:03 PM Yeah, I was assuming a tie is out. 6977. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:08:21 PM "And, now that I think of it, why would Pirate 4 accept Pirate 5's offer unless it was better than he could do himself by rejecting it and throwing 5 overboard and getting his chance to offer?" 6978. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 5:09:19 PM A tie is not a majority. Over he goes. Although Pirate 4 is a female. 6979. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:09:58 PM Okay, I see. 3 is always going to vote against 4's offer and 4 will always vote against 5's, using Rask's layout. 6980. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 5:10:02 PM That helps, Rask. 6981. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:13:23 PM I made a typo in my first proposal. It should read "Pirate Five, then, will offer pirate three one gold piece, pirate one TWO gold pieces, stiff pirates two and four, and keep the rest to himself. 6982. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:15:13 PM Now I can't see why Pirate 1 would vote for 5's though. He does as well with 4. 6983. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 5:15:17 PM If it gets to to 1 and 2, 2 is doomed, so if it gets to 1,2, and 3, 2 will have to support 3. 6984. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:16:17 PM Crosspost. Although it wouldn't have been if I refreshed. 6985. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:16:57 PM "Now I can't see why Pirate 1 would vote for 5's though. He does as 6986. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:17:14 PM No, if 3 keeps it all to himself then 2 has no reason to vote for him. 6987. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 5:18:07 PM Cal: Yes, to save his skin. Better zero money and alive. 6988. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:18:15 PM Rask--yes, I saw it the moment I posted. 6989. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:20:15 PM Indy, 6990. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:20:53 PM "Therefore, 5 has to top that offer. So he offers $2 to 1 and 2 and 6991. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:22:38 PM Thought about it more, whether or not 1 turns 2 into shark food in a tie, Pirate five can handle either scenario by giving pirate three one coin and pirate one two coins, keeping the rest for himself. 6992. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 5:26:16 PM cg-- 6993. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:26:51 PM I wonder if you can construct a scenario where 1 and/or 2 votes against what looks like their interest. 6994. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 5:30:49 PM Rask: I think you're right. 6995. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:31:03 PM I mean, I could see pirate 1 turning down 5 and 4's offer; 2 turning down 3's offer, and then 2 deciding to play for the whole thing by offering it to #1 and voting against the offer, knowing that 1 will also vote against the offer because he'd like death and money. 6996. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 5:37:40 PM Are the hounds prepared to release a definitive answer to the media? 6997. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:40:44 PM Cal: there is an assumption that the bloodthirsty attribute never trumps the greedy attribute. That is, pirates will kill each other given nothing better to do, but that bloodthirstiness can be bought off cheap. 6998. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:40:49 PM Aytch, 6999. PelleNilsson - 10/17/2000 5:41:15 PM I came in late here, but if pirate5 makes these puny offers of one or two gold coins won't the others simply throw him into the sea to teach pirate4 a lesson? 7000. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:41:33 PM Aytch: my final answer is in 6991. 7001. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:42:30 PM Rask, 7002. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:43:50 PM Cal: "bloodthirsty" tells you that they will throw you in given no other reason. That is, you have to offer a pirate a *better* offer than the next proposer in order to get his vote. Without bloodthirsty, you could offer the same amount. 7003. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 5:44:11 PM Actually, maybe he should offer $2 to #2 instead of pirate 1 because pirate 1 has the possibility of doing better in other scenarios, whereas #2 does not. 7004. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:45:27 PM Rask, actually I was thinking very much of the Princess Bride. But by that point you're just down to 1 and 2. 7005. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:46:05 PM The reason I chose 1 over 2 is that I think, given the rules, that 1 *would* chuck two in the sea regardless of 2's offer. 7006. PelleNilsson - 10/17/2000 5:46:34 PM Pirate1, 2 and 3's best option is to vote down 5 and 4 whatever they propose. 7007. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 5:47:17 PM Smart needs to be in there to force you to assume perfect knowledge on everybody's part. Greedy means they want the money. Bloodthirsty means they're willing to accept the death of another pirate (I guess). I didn't add anything to the original puzzle. 7008. PelleNilsson - 10/17/2000 5:47:24 PM Or have I missed something essential here? 7009. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:48:10 PM Cal: Still holds for more than 2 players. Basically, "smart" means that none of the pirates will make a mistake in coming up with the best strategy on their turn, or fail to know what their best strategy is on any given turn. 7010. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:50:29 PM Rask, 7011. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:51:56 PM Aytch, 7012. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 5:52:19 PM "But that only works if 2 doesn't realize that 1 is going to do that." 7013. CalGal - 10/17/2000 5:52:30 PM BTW, Rask, my post to you was before I'd seen 7009. 7014. PelleNilsson - 10/17/2000 5:59:25 PM Now turn this around a bit. Pirate5 needs to ensure that he survives which means he needs three votes. Let him offer 449 coins to each of 1 and 2 and keep 2 coins for himself. 1 and 2 can not hope for a better deal from anyone else. 7015. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 5:59:45 PM Rask is correct in his 6991. 7016. CalGal - 10/17/2000 6:00:07 PM Well, regardless of what 5 will offer, I still say that if I were 3, I'd take the chance that 1 or 2 would reject 4's offer and reject 5. Then I'd offer a big chunk to 2, figuring that 2 would take a sure thing over the risk of playing the odds with 1. 7017. CalGal - 10/17/2000 6:03:02 PM I figured that 5 would keep most of the money. But I did miss out on who he'd offer to--I thought 4 instead of 1, because I couldn't see how 4 could avoid a tie. (I am speaking only of my official answer, which is way back in the first ten posts). 7018. Indiana Jones - 10/17/2000 6:03:51 PM Aytchman: Bwwah-ha-hah. 7019. CalGal - 10/17/2000 6:07:28 PM Great puzzle. Lots of fun. 7020. Raskolnikov - 10/17/2000 6:12:42 PM Thanks Aytch! 7021. AytchMan - 10/17/2000 6:20:43 PM You're welcome, kids. We do it all for you. 7022. Dusty - 10/18/2000 3:18:38 PM Cool puzzle. Sorry I missed it. 7023. AytchMan - 10/23/2000 1:54:07 PM Since there's nothing happening... 7024. Wombat - 10/23/2000 2:06:51 PM Name the players on the Mets and the Yankees that have played for both teams. 7025. Indiana Jones - 10/23/2000 3:18:40 PM David Cone, Dwight Gooden. 7026. Wombat - 10/23/2000 3:27:23 PM Indy: 7027. mgleason - 10/23/2000 3:29:58 PM Vizcaino. 7028. Wombat - 10/23/2000 3:31:48 PM Darryl Strawberry (Indy) 7029. CalGal - 10/23/2000 3:52:06 PM Aytch, 7030. JJBiener - 10/23/2000 3:59:30 PM I finally solved the bishop puzzle. 64 moves. Maybe now I can get some work done. 7031. OhioSTOPAS - 10/23/2000 4:01:48 PM Wombat: The correct answer is: 7032. AytchMan - 10/23/2000 4:09:29 PM Question: I've stumbled across a set of medium-difficulty problems. I can post them one at a time as usual or we could pick a time and have a Bragging Rights competition with four or five of them (with a one hour time limit). 7033. Dusty - 10/23/2000 4:11:29 PM One at a time. Why can't we have bragging rights that way? 7034. CalGal - 10/23/2000 4:26:17 PM I like one at a time, too. 7035. AytchMan - 10/23/2000 4:31:10 PM Okay. 7036. AytchMan - 10/23/2000 4:33:54 PM Throwing them a bone... 7037. mgleason - 10/23/2000 4:37:14 PM UP 7038. CalGal - 10/23/2000 4:44:23 PM Well, for starters, I can't figure out which 72 words you mean. There are more than 72 words in the puzzle. 7039. Dusty - 10/23/2000 4:44:46 PM up 7040. Dusty - 10/23/2000 4:47:27 PM Yeah, that bothered me. I count seventy-seven. I thought perhaps the last two were added by aytchman, but that still leaves too many. If it helps, the answer is the same if you replace "seventy-two" with "seventy-seven" 7041. AytchMan - 10/23/2000 4:48:13 PM msgleason and dusty are correct. 7042. Dusty - 10/23/2000 4:48:25 PM That is, assuming I have the right answer. I agree with mgleason, so that's a good sign. 7043. CalGal - 10/23/2000 4:49:00 PM I'm not correct? I said the same thing that they did. I just put more babble before and after. 7044. AytchMan - 10/23/2000 4:53:48 PM cg is also correct. My motor stalled on the 72-word and 'luck' obstacles. 7045. Fielding - 10/23/2000 5:03:49 PM Al Leiter is the other player. 7046. MsIvoryTower - 10/23/2000 11:05:31 PM Here's one for Irving... 7047. DocBrown - 10/31/2000 10:09:35 AM I see how "up" is the right answer, since the p could be oriented to be a b or a d. 7048. Dusty - 10/31/2000 1:41:20 PM Good one Doc 7049. Angel-Five - 10/31/2000 6:56:30 PM An Expensive Hobby: 7050. Angel-Five - 10/31/2000 7:04:03 PM My first is in rebirth at the end of the day 7051. mgleason - 10/31/2000 7:53:14 PM I consulted with the staff at Misogynists 'R Us, and they claim the answers are 'women' and 'bane,' but that's their response to everything. 7052. Angel-Five - 10/31/2000 7:59:05 PM Hahahaha. That works. I had 'beer' in mind as an 'awhile' answer to 'women'. 7053. Angel-Five - 10/31/2000 7:59:25 PM 7054. Angel-Five - 10/31/2000 11:20:57 PM My first is in feast but not in fright 7055. mgleason - 10/31/2000 11:58:26 PM Very clever. All Saint's Day. I promise to stop answering, truly. 7056. mgleason - 11/3/2000 1:13:57 AM This sentense contains two mistakes. What are the mistakes? 7057. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:28:36 AM mgleason: 7058. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:29:13 AM 7059. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:29:23 AM Cute. 7060. mgleason - 11/3/2000 1:35:16 AM Good for you, Ace. I had the same feeling. 7061. Angel-Five - 11/3/2000 1:36:29 AM The spelling of 'sentence'. The omission of the second mistake. 7062. Angel-Five - 11/3/2000 1:37:20 AM I love finding a way around paradoxes. 7063. CalGal - 11/3/2000 1:38:45 AM Ha! I checked it a while ago, only saw the one, and have been pondering it for the past 20 minutes and all of a sudden said ACK! 7064. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:41:18 AM mgleason: 7065. mgleason - 11/3/2000 1:41:19 AM Correct, Angel. You kids are good. 7066. mgleason - 11/3/2000 1:44:04 AM Ace, I love puzzles, but every once in a while I get caught flat-footed, develop a blind spot, and freeze. No matter what, I just can't get the answer. 7067. CalGal - 11/3/2000 1:44:11 AM There was a question on the SAT prep: Between 0 and 100, how many times does the number 9 occur? 7068. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:48:22 AM 7069. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:48:50 AM 7070. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:49:13 AM 7071. CalGal - 11/3/2000 1:49:44 AM integer. I was operating from memory, not looking at the question. 7072. Angel-Five - 11/3/2000 1:50:51 AM Ace: That's a well known puzzle. The way it works is, I think, that people tend to ignore 'the' when they're scanning. 7073. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:50:52 AM 7074. CalGal - 11/3/2000 1:51:00 AM Yes, but a lot of kids will just go 9,19,29,39,49,59,69,79,89,99. 7075. mgleason - 11/3/2000 1:51:31 AM Ha! I like sneaky questions. 7076. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:52:06 AM Azrael, 7077. CalGal - 11/3/2000 1:52:34 AM Ace, 7078. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:53:42 AM mgleason, 7079. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:54:02 AM 7080. mgleason - 11/3/2000 1:55:36 AM Ace, no and no. 7081. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:55:43 AM "In any event, it is included in the SAT official booklet." 7082. Angel-Five - 11/3/2000 1:57:05 AM You tell them to breed two of the horses, and you get the one that's left. 7083. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:57:55 AM 7084. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:58:43 AM 7085. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 1:59:04 AM Besides, you can't breed a horse in one day. 7086. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:00:14 AM "They break their heads trying to figure out how to do it, can't, and on the twenty-ninth day they hire me to do it, this time for a princely sum. How'd I do it?" 7087. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:00:50 AM Excellent, but it's even simpler than that. I ride in with my mare, add her to the count, divide 'em up, ride back out with the $$$$. I love this puzzle. 7088. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:01:28 AM No, I'm not a horse. 7089. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:02:50 AM 7090. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:04:54 AM 7091. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:05:27 AM It's no manipulation, just a 'fudge factor.' My horse brings the total to 18. 1/2 = 9, 1/3 =6, and 1/9 = 2. That equals 17. My horse is left. 7092. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:06:34 AM 7093. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:08:21 AM Yes, but your way, you'd end up with an extra horse. My way, there's no left-overs. 7094. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:09:18 AM I think that puzzle is missing a rule which would exclude the obvious solutions while allowing your suggested solution. 7095. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:09:51 AM "Yes, but your way, you'd end up with an extra horse. My way, there's no left-overs." 7096. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:11:05 AM Eh, I give up. 7097. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:11:27 AM Good idea, but the way I told it is the way I first heard it many years ago. 7098. Angel-Five - 11/3/2000 2:11:46 AM 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/9 = 17/18. 7099. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:12:44 AM If you sell one horse to buy two, you end up with 18. 9 + 6 + 2 = 17. 7100. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:17:38 AM 7101. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:25:59 AM No rule was suspended, the way I see it. The horses were divided according to the will, and everyone got his share. The 'fudge factor' lies in the fact that the numbers inexorably point to 18 as the magic number necessary, while the fractions themselves only add up to 17. Like the hidden 'E,' though, this is not immediately apparent. This leaves room for the 'trick.' 7102. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:32:56 AM 7103. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:34:20 AM I'll buy you the horse out of my fee! 7104. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 2:40:12 AM Kobyashi-Maru. 7105. mgleason - 11/3/2000 2:48:25 AM Goodnight. 7106. Dusty - 11/3/2000 8:44:44 AM AceofSpades 7107. DocBrown - 11/3/2000 9:19:13 AM Dusty, I think this was intended as a mathematical puzzel, not a law puzzel. If necessary, assume it takes place on an alien planet. The laws there are unknown to you. You might assume that A) it is illegal to write a will in impossible terms and B) some authority approved the will as written. 7108. Indiana Jones - 11/3/2000 9:26:21 AM I don't even see why the extra horse is relevant/needed. You bring it in, you take it out, it doesn't affect anything but appearances. 7109. PelleNilsson - 11/3/2000 12:35:10 PM Dusty 7110. mgleason - 11/3/2000 1:20:22 PM Hey! I don't want to hear any more complaints! The use of fudge factors as instruments of torture and obfuscation is well-established in puzzle lore and I gave fair warning that it was a 'sneaky' puzzle. 7111. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 4:39:59 PM 7112. Raskolnikov - 11/3/2000 4:55:53 PM This is an old chestnut, but I have never seen it here. But if you have seen this before, let others answer. 7113. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 5:00:18 PM 7114. Raskolnikov - 11/3/2000 5:03:10 PM You snooze, you lose. 7115. CalGal - 11/3/2000 5:22:03 PM 7116. JJBiener - 11/3/2000 5:34:37 PM Rask - The dollar didn't go anywhere. Each man ended up paying $9 for a total of $27. $25 went to the hotel, $2 went to the bellboy. 7117. PelleNilsson - 11/3/2000 5:34:47 PM Suppose the mistake was that he charged them $10 each instead of $10 alltogether. He sends the bellboy with $20 and he pockets $2 and gives $6 to each salesman. They have now paid $4 each and $2 is with the bellboy. $16 is "missing". 7118. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 5:38:30 PM 7119. JJBiener - 11/3/2000 5:53:06 PM Ace - I accounted for all of the money. What more do you need to know? The problem comes from mixing up debits and credits. 7120. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 6:00:58 PM 7121. JJBiener - 11/3/2000 6:06:48 PM Ace - The problem comes from adding the $2 to the $27. It should be subtracted. Each man paid $9 for a total of $27. The bellboy and the hotel each received something from the transaction. You can't add receipts to payments. 7122. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 6:15:29 PM 7123. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 6:19:31 PM 7124. Raskolnikov - 11/3/2000 6:24:51 PM I think there is a fairly clear way of describing the problem with the puzzle. And in fact, this is why I like the puzzle, as it is an exercise in how to properly frame the mathematics behind a word problem. 7125. CalGal - 11/3/2000 6:31:08 PM Well, I said the $27 was a distraction, but it's really the 27 + 2 that's the distraction. As JJ says, there's no reason to add them together. 7126. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 6:33:06 PM 7127. Raskolnikov - 11/3/2000 6:42:45 PM Ace: I missed JJ's post. He nails it in number 7121. You can either do the math in terms of receipts, or do it terms of payments. The puzzle, as worded, mixes up the two and adds the bellboy's two dollars instead of subtracting them. 7128. dusty - 11/3/2000 7:38:09 PM DocBrown 7129. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 7:51:05 PM Dusty: 7130. AceofSpades - 11/3/2000 7:57:27 PM "I forget if there are rules of interpreting/constructing a will to save it from a defect which will invalidate the will, or if the will simply fails and results in the decedent's property passing intestate." 7131. dusty - 11/3/2000 8:11:17 PM Ace 7132. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 8:21:42 PM Lyrics Quiz: 7133. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 8:23:05 PM 11)Once was a sweet thang baby 7134. arkymalarky - 11/4/2000 9:18:13 PM I only recognize the first and the last--Boys of Summer by Don Henley and The Confessor by Joe Walsh. I know lots of song lyrics, but for some reason I don't recognize many of them in print, and of course many posted in here I'm not familiar with. I hate it when I should know them though. 7135. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 9:58:22 PM Arky: I know, exactly, what you mean. I hate it when I look at a lyric and something tugs at my mind but I can't figure out what it's from. FWIW only a couple of the songs in the quiz are from the 90s, none from the oughts. 7136. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 9:58:44 PM BTW you were of course right on your picks. 7137. arkymalarky - 11/4/2000 10:15:44 PM "FWIW only a couple of the songs in the quiz are from the 90s, none from the oughts." 7138. arkymalarky - 11/4/2000 10:22:36 PM 3) is Steve Perry "Open Arms" 7139. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 10:26:27 PM Journey, of which Steve Perry was the lead singer. 7140. arkymalarky - 11/4/2000 10:30:42 PM I didn't know if that was with the group or his solo stuff (he has done solo stuff, right?). I knew it from the radio. 7141. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 10:37:59 PM He's done a few solo albums. One wasn't all that long ago, had a good song on it. 7142. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 10:38:23 PM I guess his voice is shot, though, he can't tour anymore. 7143. arkymalarky - 11/4/2000 10:59:50 PM BTW, the Henley song evokes a great mood and image for me, much more poetic than most stuff that gets on the radio. The music and lyrics complement eachother beautifully, and I love the sound of the seagulls and the picture of the empty beach through the eyes of someone who's lost something and doesn't quite get what it was (I thought I knew what love was. What did I know.) and why he lost it. The last verse is really good, imo. 7144. Angel-Five - 11/4/2000 11:43:01 PM Arky: Well, I can't say that Don Henley is one of my favorite artists. Most of his work leaves me indifferent. But Boys of Summer is one of my favorite songs of all time, and for precisely the reasons you give. I'll also say that music videos, as a rule, leave me bored. I haven't watched a video show for years. But every once in a while there's a video that heightens the artistry of the song and the video to Boys of Summer is one of them. 7145. arkymalarky - 11/4/2000 11:48:29 PM I absolutely agree on both Henley and music videos (though there are a few I really love). I'm not a big Eagles fan, either. If I've seen the video to Boys of Summer it was a very long time ago. 7146. Angel-Five - 11/5/2000 1:55:07 AM Bonus: 7147. mgleason - 11/5/2000 4:04:30 AM 7148. Angel-Five - 11/5/2000 4:37:04 AM Yow. All right. 7149. mgleason - 11/5/2000 8:03:29 AM I love to try and guess lyrics. 7150. Angel-Five - 11/5/2000 8:52:47 AM Tears for Fears, Everybody Wants to Rule the world. 7151. Angel-Five - 11/5/2000 8:53:56 AM Billy Joel, L'Etranger. 7152. mgleason - 11/5/2000 9:39:36 AM Mais oui. 7153. arkymalarky - 11/5/2000 11:27:18 AM Dadgum, Maria. I actually only would have known a couple more of the songs from lyrics Angel posted, but don't know them well. Some I haven't heard in years, and some I never heard of at all. 7154. arkymalarky - 11/5/2000 11:32:46 AM When I was in Europe I was watching tv late one night (I had insomnia almost the entire trip) and I saw a special on Lou Reed that was really great. I don't even remember what country, but it was in English. I don't know if it's something that played here, but it had a lot of background on his musical history that I was unfamiliar with. 7155. Dusty - 11/5/2000 12:36:50 PM 7156. mgleason - 11/5/2000 1:57:42 PM Two. BB must be either WW or BW. BW must be either WW or BB. WW must be either BB or BW. Draw two marbles from any jar, and reassign the other possibility. 7157. Angel-Five - 11/5/2000 4:42:44 PM One. 7158. Angel-Five - 11/5/2000 4:44:26 PM Really, though, all you have to do is look in them. You don't have to take any marbles out at all. 7159. Dusty - 11/5/2000 4:48:27 PM Angel-Five 7160. AceofSpades - 11/5/2000 4:55:50 PM That's a very good puzzle, but I think you have to emphasize that all of the jars are definitely mislabed. 7161. Angel-Five - 11/5/2000 5:03:52 PM Still left: 6, 7, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, a, b. 7162. Dusty - 11/5/2000 5:42:41 PM Ace 7163. AceofSpades - 11/5/2000 6:14:37 PM Dusty: 7164. Dusty - 11/5/2000 6:49:26 PM Yes, you did. Thanks (or, thanks to the place I cribbed it from) 7165. mgleason - 11/6/2000 12:29:53 AM Cool puzzle, Dusty. I guess I have to work on my approach shot. 7166. mgleason - 11/6/2000 1:32:37 AM Answers to my lyrics quiz: 7167. Angel-Five - 11/6/2000 3:28:15 AM 6) Type O Negative, Christian Woman. (Really, it's a classic.) 7168. Dusty - 11/6/2000 10:51:57 AM Puzzle 7169. mgleason - 11/6/2000 11:08:25 AM N for ninety (followed by one hundred, one hundred ten...) 7170. Dusty - 11/6/2000 12:50:46 PM mgleason 7171. Dusty - 11/6/2000 12:53:23 PM Puzzle 7172. mgleason - 11/6/2000 2:43:17 PM For those that either studied Latin or are good at leaps of faith: 7173. Wombat - 11/6/2000 2:54:55 PM Mgleason 7174. JJBiener - 11/6/2000 2:57:26 PM mgleason - Excellent puzzle. I just don't have a clue on any of them. 7175. mgleason - 11/6/2000 3:01:56 PM Thanks, JJ. 7176. Dusty - 11/6/2000 3:10:07 PM 4 The best things in life are free? 7177. Dusty - 11/6/2000 3:12:38 PM 18 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder? 7178. Dusty - 11/6/2000 3:13:57 PM 27 Don't cry over spilt milk? 7179. mgleason - 11/6/2000 3:16:39 PM Dusty, 7180. mgleason - 11/6/2000 3:17:28 PM Correct on 27., D. 7181. Wombat - 11/6/2000 3:19:28 PM 15) Do unto others as you would have others do unto you (Golden Rule) 7182. Wombat - 11/6/2000 3:20:24 PM 18) Beauty is only skin deep 7183. Dusty - 11/6/2000 3:20:49 PM 25 Age before beauty? 7184. PelleNilsson - 11/6/2000 3:22:36 PM 12) Easy come, easy go? 7185. mgleason - 11/6/2000 3:33:53 PM Wow, Wombat! (Porta is door or gate) 7186. mgleason - 11/6/2000 3:48:23 PM Still left (nice going, you guys): 7187. Angel-Five - 11/6/2000 4:18:46 PM 6.Here today gone tomorrow. 7188. mgleason - 11/6/2000 4:32:29 PM Very nice, Angel. 7189. dusty - 11/7/2000 5:58:46 PM Puzzle 7190. Angel-Five - 11/7/2000 6:31:00 PM The largest of all one hundred daughters or the largest of the ones he's reviewed? 7191. dusty - 11/7/2000 9:58:37 PM The largest of all 100 7192. DocBrown - 11/8/2000 9:46:07 AM So he is seeking an maximum point in an unknown function, only knowing the current point and the points that have passed before, but unable to select any of those previous points? Only one of the 100 daughters is is the right choice, preselected by the King? 7193. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 1:17:11 PM dusty-- 7194. Dusty - 11/8/2000 1:38:58 PM AytchMan 7195. Raskolnikov - 11/8/2000 1:59:23 PM I can't do the math on this, but my hunch is very similar to Aytch's, except that you reject the first 33 daughters, picking the first dowry that exceeds the highest amount among those 33. 7196. PelleNilsson - 11/8/2000 2:10:14 PM This is a game is it not? Where is Slackjaw with his analytical tools? 7197. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 2:39:02 PM The commoner should establish a residence in Florida, reject all of the daughters and demand a recount. Then he'll know which one to pick. 7198. Dusty - 11/8/2000 3:09:24 PM Raskolnikov 7199. PelleNilsson - 11/8/2000 3:12:15 PM But Dusty, are we seeking a way the commoner can be sure, or a way he can maximize his chance? 7200. Raskolnikov - 11/8/2000 3:13:49 PM Dusty: Please walk us through the math on this when it is finished. 7201. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 3:18:53 PM dusty-- 7202. Dusty - 11/8/2000 3:28:30 PM Pelle 7203. Dusty - 11/8/2000 3:33:15 PM AytchMan 7204. Dusty - 11/8/2000 3:35:18 PM Oops, I have the site bookmarked, btu at home. I'll have to wait until later to post the derivation. 7205. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 3:39:21 PM Interesting puzzle, dusty. That mysterious e thing has a lot of unexpected applications. Although not in my household. 7206. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 3:43:36 PM New quiz-- 7207. Indiana Jones - 11/8/2000 3:45:16 PM tremendous 7208. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 3:47:05 PM indy-- 7209. Indiana Jones - 11/8/2000 3:49:31 PM (Should have used white font on all): horrendous 7210. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 3:54:23 PM Done. That was quick. 7211. PelleNilsson - 11/8/2000 4:20:22 PM What about enormous? 7212. Wombat - 11/8/2000 4:21:43 PM Horrendous 7213. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 4:21:58 PM pelle-- 7214. PelleNilsson - 11/8/2000 4:22:38 PM Or sacrilegous? 7215. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 4:24:49 PM Indy has gotten the four and only four 'dous' words known in this sector of the pangalactic empire. We'd offer that '92 Chevy Vega but there's been some talk of irregularities. 7216. PelleNilsson - 11/8/2000 4:25:16 PM Aytech 7217. Wombat - 11/8/2000 4:26:06 PM No, Indy got three of the four. 7218. Wombat - 11/8/2000 4:27:10 PM Apologies. I didn't read the white font. 7219. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 4:27:47 PM Sequence Puzzle: 7220. Raskolnikov - 11/8/2000 4:38:29 PM Aytch: Sequence. 7221. Raskolnikov - 11/8/2000 4:38:43 PM Oops. 22. 7222. AytchMan - 11/8/2000 4:39:31 PM Correctimundo. 7223. Indiana Jones - 11/8/2000 4:41:12 PM answer: 22 7224. Indiana Jones - 11/8/2000 4:41:46 PM Too late. 7225. Indiana Jones - 11/8/2000 4:42:18 PM 7226. labwabbit - 11/8/2000 10:20:15 PM Directions: Please complete the following problems. You may use a scratch piece of paper for your calculations which must be turned in with your exam. SHOW ALL WORK! Use only a #2 pencil. You have 20 minutes to complete the exam. 7227. AytchMan - 11/10/2000 3:50:43 PM Moving right along... 7228. AytchMan - 11/10/2000 4:58:13 PM I was used by the Greeks. 7229. dusty - 11/10/2000 5:01:28 PM 7230. Angel-Five - 11/10/2000 11:04:32 PM iota 7231. AytchMan - 11/13/2000 12:22:37 PM Right you are, Angel-Five. Over. 7232. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 2:48:20 AM A few days before his Xth birthday, my good friend Xavier Oxnard noticed, quite to his surprise, the following: between them, X^2 and X^3 included all the digits from 0 to 9, with none repeated. How old was he? 7233. CalGal - 11/14/2000 3:00:27 AM 7234. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 3:09:48 AM Nope. 7235. CalGal - 11/14/2000 3:16:06 AM ??? 7236. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 3:21:48 AM CG-- 7237. CalGal - 11/14/2000 3:26:49 AM Oh, I thought of that the first time but for some reason I read it wrong. I should have figured that no matter how I read it, that was the trick. Assuming, that is, I get it now. But if he's not 68, then I'm just too tired and out of it to grok. 7238. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 3:31:29 AM Way to go, California. 7239. Angel-Five - 11/14/2000 6:25:12 AM pop quiz: 7240. mgleason - 11/14/2000 9:00:43 AM Genesis 7241. PelleNilsson - 11/14/2000 12:21:27 PM Narva is a town in present-day Estonia, on the border with Russia. Today, 300 years ago The Swedish army under the 18-year old Karl XII defeated a much larger Russian army there. It was Sweden's apogee as a European power. Since then it has been steadily downhill. 7242. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 12:59:37 PM pelle- 7243. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 3:27:40 PM There's a rather diabolical block-removal puzzle at 7244. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 3:39:16 PM Concerning the above, I'd be interested in hearing strategies for beating the bloody thing. To this point, my scores are, shall we say, modest. 7245. PelleNilsson - 11/14/2000 4:03:26 PM Aytch 7246. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 4:15:13 PM Gregorian versus Julian. I don't believe the far-superior Swimsuit calendar was in wide use yet. 7247. JJBiener - 11/14/2000 4:35:24 PM H - What were your scores? 7248. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 4:45:00 PM JJ-- 7249. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 5:00:39 PM Whether time-based or not, getting to a solvable end-game is, I think, the key. I've tried eliminating one color completely but that's not a sure winner. Then I tried matching up the bottom row in pairs of like colors but that's very difficult to maintain and not a sure winner either. The last couple of times I just blasted through the thing and did pretty well (lucky?) but surely we can do better than that. 7250. PelleNilsson - 11/14/2000 5:21:37 PM Aytch 7251. JJBiener - 11/14/2000 5:25:23 PM H - You are doing better than I am. I am in 1200 range. 7252. AytchMan - 11/14/2000 5:36:27 PM pelle-- 7253. PelleNilsson - 11/14/2000 6:11:25 PM Aytch 7254. Raskolnikov - 11/15/2000 1:52:02 PM Quick movie quote quiz (mostly because I caught this film again last night, and doubled over laughing): "Holy shit! What I dream I had! Louis Armstrong was trying to kill me!" 7255. mgleason - 11/15/2000 1:56:43 PM Throw Momma from the Train! 7256. Raskolnikov - 11/15/2000 2:01:23 PM Got it. I had forgotten just how funny that film was. 7257. mgleason - 11/15/2000 2:07:45 PM I love that movie, Rask. Another guilty pleasure is Serial Mom. 7258. AytchMan - 11/22/2000 4:15:01 PM There is a six-letter English word that starts with 'h', ends with 'n' and contains eight other words within it (without transposing any letters). What are these nine words? 7259. mgleason - 11/22/2000 4:27:22 PM I'm taking a break from my cooking marathon. Answer is below: 7260. AytchMan - 11/22/2000 4:33:22 PM Well done. Amazingly enough, that's not the answer I have. So, there is another answer also. 7261. mgleason - 11/22/2000 4:37:45 PM That's great, Aytch! 'Hatpin' popped into my brain the minute I read your post. Now I'll have to cudgel my brains for the other answer. 7262. mgleason - 11/22/2000 4:52:44 PM Hadean 7263. AytchMan - 11/22/2000 5:04:29 PM msgleason-- 7264. mgleason - 11/22/2000 5:17:15 PM Aytch, I know, but it's a staple of the NYT crossword puzzle as a 'summertime fruit drink,' so I thought it was worth a shot. ;-D 7265. Black Dog Bone - 11/22/2000 5:26:21 PM true or false. the Pilgrims brought their own seeds to America. 7266. mgleason - 11/22/2000 5:38:47 PM My favorite, so far: 7267. Black Dog Bone - 11/22/2000 5:42:02 PM what's going on? black is beautiful. white is hard to read. 7268. AytchMan - 11/22/2000 5:55:44 PM bdb-- 7269. AytchMan - 11/22/2000 5:57:10 PM mgleason-- 7270. mgleason - 11/22/2000 5:59:40 PM The last, I promise: 7271. AytchMan - 11/22/2000 6:03:47 PM Bingo. At this point, I'm still afraid that there are six more. I originally thought one was pretty remarkable. 7272. AytchMan - 11/22/2000 6:09:59 PM black dog bone-- 7273. mgleason - 11/22/2000 6:53:38 PM Aytch, I forgot 're.' 7274. Fielding - 11/29/2000 9:44:50 AM This one may have been done here before. If so forgive me. 7275. theDiva - 11/29/2000 9:45:56 AM facetiously is one. 7276. Fielding - 11/29/2000 9:46:50 AM mg: 7277. Fielding - 11/29/2000 9:48:07 AM Lady Deev: 7278. theDiva - 11/29/2000 9:50:08 AM !!!!!!!! is an indication of shock and surprise. 7279. Indiana Jones - 11/29/2000 9:50:47 AM Or a helluva chess move. 7280. Fielding - 11/29/2000 10:10:33 AM In this case both, I guess. 7281. theDiva - 11/29/2000 11:50:04 AM hmmmmm...... 7282. Raskolnikov - 11/29/2000 11:54:20 AM The other is abstemiously. 7283. Fielding - 11/29/2000 11:54:48 AM 7284. theDiva - 11/29/2000 11:55:18 AM Rask 7285. Raskolnikov - 11/29/2000 4:56:24 PM Ja. Vatch your feet and try und keep up. 7286. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 4:54:59 AM From the World Puzzle Championship: 7287. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 4:56:24 AM AUDI 7290. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 5:06:27 AM 7291. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 5:44:35 AM Major apologies. I've screwed up the columns somehow. 7292. wabbit - 12/22/2000 6:19:18 AM Posts 7288 and 7289 were deleted for formatting reasons. Aytch, please repost the table! 7293. wabbit - 12/22/2000 6:29:33 AM Here is Aytch's table: 7294. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 6:31:09 AM I'll repost the whole puzzle after I get it back from the shop. 7295. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 6:32:55 AM Oh, good job, wabbit. 7296. wabbit - 12/22/2000 4:27:43 PM Okay. 7297. AytchMan - 12/22/2000 5:20:06 PM wabbit-- 7298. wabbit - 12/22/2000 10:29:53 PM Sheesh, stupid typo. Can you believe I almost bought one of these three years ago? Beautiful white Citroën (which, along with Peugeot, didn't make the puzzle list...). 7299. wabbit - 12/26/2000 7:21:14 AM 7300. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 3:43:21 PM Let's play twenty questions: 7301. CalGal - 12/29/2000 3:47:01 PM So what do we do, ask questions to find out who he was? 7302. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 3:50:07 PM Is he bigger than a breadbox? 7303. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 3:51:41 PM I may be going out on a limb here but I'll give you a yes. 7304. CalGal - 12/29/2000 3:53:04 PM Is he a performing artist of some sort? 7305. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 3:54:51 PM cal-- 7306. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 3:57:38 PM Has he won any major international awards? 7307. CalGal - 12/29/2000 3:58:34 PM Aytch, 7308. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 3:58:57 PM No. 7309. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 3:59:29 PM cal-- 7310. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:00:37 PM Is he famous for activities or accomplishments on the European continent? 7311. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:02:07 PM lab-- 7312. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:05:00 PM Should've asked first: What country was he active in? 7313. theDiva - 12/29/2000 4:05:11 PM Did he ever win the Nobel Prize? 7314. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:05:53 PM Nice try, lab. Only yes/no questions. 7315. CalGal - 12/29/2000 4:06:02 PM Aytch, 7316. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:07:02 PM heh-heh 7317. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:07:04 PM diva-- 7318. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:08:27 PM cal-- 7319. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:09:39 PM lab-- 7320. CalGal - 12/29/2000 4:11:01 PM Aytch, 7321. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:11:37 PM Was he noted for doing something first? 7322. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:12:38 PM cal-- 7323. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:15:24 PM lab-- 7324. theDiva - 12/29/2000 4:16:07 PM was he German? 7325. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:16:16 PM Is the country Germany? 7326. CalGal - 12/29/2000 4:16:49 PM Does he have another name or some sort of identifier that we would more readily recognize? 7327. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:17:26 PM AM 7328. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:18:18 PM diva-- 7329. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:18:59 PM lab-- 7330. theDiva - 12/29/2000 4:19:20 PM was he the last of the Nuremberg defendants? 7331. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:19:43 PM diva and lab-- 7332. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:21:54 PM cal-- 7333. CalGal - 12/29/2000 4:22:15 PM Rats, that was on my list, Deev. 7334. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:24:03 PM diva-- 7335. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:25:44 PM My last was a hint but it can be taken two ways. I hope you guess right. 7336. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:26:49 PM Was he active in trying to overthrow a certain gov't...a coup? 7337. theDiva - 12/29/2000 4:28:15 PM aw crap 7338. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:29:14 PM lab-- 7339. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:30:14 PM diva-- 7340. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:32:17 PM Is he a Nazi exile? 7341. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:33:16 PM Shat.. 7342. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:35:15 PM lab-- 7343. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:36:47 PM Was he apolitical figure most notable in East Berlin? 7344. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:37:00 PM lab-- 7345. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:37:22 PM lab-- 7346. labwabbit - 12/29/2000 4:39:07 PM AM...methinks your auto-pilot has shit-the-bed. 7347. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:39:32 PM Oops. 7348. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:42:25 PM I didn't hit the refresh thing. I got some sort of "Info must be resent" message" so, good little camper that I am, I resent it. Much the pity. 7349. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:45:32 PM lab-- 7350. PelleNilsson - 12/29/2000 4:47:37 PM I recognize that name but I cannot place it. Based on questions so far: 7351. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:49:46 PM pelle-- 7352. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 4:57:05 PM Okay, kids. Don't be afraid of using up the last question. Win or lose, let's wrap it up. 7353. PelleNilsson - 12/29/2000 4:58:12 PM 7354. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 5:00:41 PM pelle-- 7355. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 5:03:06 PM Felder was the last surviving member... 7356. PelleNilsson - 12/29/2000 5:07:45 PM 7357. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 5:08:12 PM ...of the German Reichstag to... 7358. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 5:11:08 PM ...vote against Hitler in a free election. The Enabling Act vote in March, 1933. 7359. PelleNilsson - 12/29/2000 5:11:12 PM 7360. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 5:12:27 PM Josef Felder died this year at age 100. 7361. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 5:14:08 PM Good job, Pelle. Just under the gun. 7362. PelleNilsson - 12/29/2000 5:16:08 PM 7363. AytchMan - 12/29/2000 5:22:14 PM Night, Pelle. 7364. dusty - 12/31/2000 10:00:23 PM BTW, Happy New Millennium Pelle!! 7365. MaxMacks - 1/12/2001 5:19:26 PM what is a raindog? 7366. wabbit - 1/12/2001 5:44:49 PM A lost soul. 7367. PelleNilsson - 1/13/2001 3:50:09 PM 7368. Stumbo - 1/13/2001 4:13:18 PM 7369. PelleNilsson - 1/13/2001 4:23:57 PM 7370. Stumbo - 1/13/2001 4:42:47 PM Ah, OK. This wasn't in the first list I found. 7371. Dusty - 1/13/2001 5:00:49 PM PelleNilsson 7372. PelleNilsson - 1/13/2001 5:14:32 PM 7373. Dusty - 1/13/2001 5:18:24 PM No, just lost interest 7374. PelleNilsson - 1/13/2001 5:19:03 PM It happens. 7375. PelleNilsson - 1/13/2001 5:40:15 PM 7376. RickNelson - 1/13/2001 6:59:26 PM Pelle, 7377. PelleNilsson - 1/14/2001 4:19:02 AM Rick 7378. PelleNilsson - 1/15/2001 6:55:23 AM Answer to Message # 7367: marjoribanks 7379. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 11:39:23 AM What does the Marjoribanks tartan look like? 7380. mgleason - 1/15/2001 11:43:48 AM It's the Johnstone tartan: 7381. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 11:50:18 AM Wellobidammed. 7382. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 12:02:57 PM The Marjoribanks site also reminded me of a one-time enthusiasm of mine that can provide the makings of a brief quiz: 7383. mgleason - 1/15/2001 12:04:48 PM Auld John, wrapped in his rug, keeping up his voluminous correspondence for the greater glory of Clan Marjoribanks: 7384. JJBiener - 1/15/2001 12:09:25 PM Sorry, CM, I was never much on heraldry. 7385. JJBiener - 1/15/2001 12:09:59 PM 7386. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 12:14:38 PM Oops, sorry about those toys. 7387. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 12:15:50 PM JJ, I don't imagine anyone is. But I thought I'd punch it up in the name of antiquarian esoterica. 7388. mgleason - 1/15/2001 12:32:17 PM Nice, CMB. 7389. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 12:37:26 PM #1 is right, mg; #3 is almost right. (Were #2 not there, I suppose #3 would be right. Hmmm. Therefore, I suppose it must be right... So, right on all around, mg. (And that should constitute a mighty preposterously big clue on #2, too.)) 7390. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 12:38:04 PM almost not abnost. 7391. mgleason - 1/15/2001 12:45:40 PM Ah, is 2. the Royal Standard? 7392. mgleason - 1/15/2001 12:50:30 PM 4. the royal arms of France? 7393. cmboyce - 1/15/2001 12:59:18 PM Right! mgleason has gotten all the easy ones. 7394. JJBiener - 1/15/2001 3:25:08 PM CM - 5. The flag of the Russian Royal Family? 7395. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 1:01:58 PM Well. Last night I couldn't get to the Mote, and this morning I had an apt. flood to deal with (washing machine hose), so I haven't been able to address the whirlwind of interest in heraldry that my quiz has provoked. 7396. mgleason - 1/16/2001 2:39:35 PM CMB, I thought you might mean the old Danish arms, but those lions are described as passant: 7397. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 5:28:00 PM Oops. You're right, mgleason. Sorry about that. 7398. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 5:29:18 PM BTW, that Luneburg link doesn't seem to work. 7399. mgleason - 1/16/2001 5:33:20 PM I used to be a heraldry buff in my teens. You're right, I can imagine getting interested again, too. 7400. mgleason - 1/16/2001 5:34:21 PM It's working now, at least for me. 7401. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 5:56:57 PM Well, it's still no-go for me, but that's alright. If I wake in the night, Luneburg-mad, I can go dig out my h. books, wherein it surely is (though it's not in the one I keep out and used for "Old Denmark"). 7402. mgleason - 1/16/2001 6:16:06 PM Thanks for posting it, CMB; the words are intoxicating. 7403. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 6:24:43 PM That is indeed a splendid site. Thank you. 7404. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 6:26:49 PM Hey, this time the Luneburg arms is up!! A miracle? Does God take an interest in heraldry? (Better bone up.) 7405. JJBiener - 1/16/2001 6:31:07 PM CM - Does God take an interest in heraldry? 7406. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 6:32:30 PM I thought that was someone trying to wake the herald. 7407. mgleason - 1/16/2001 6:36:33 PM I don't have any professional reasons for using that site, but I occasionally advise friends who are involved with historical re-enactments. 7408. cmboyce - 1/16/2001 6:37:59 PM [low, impressed whistle] 7409. Stumbo - 1/16/2001 10:36:41 PM Pelle: 7410. PelleNilsson - 1/17/2001 2:52:00 AM Stumbo 7411. Dusty - 1/17/2001 10:39:46 AM cmboyce 7412. cmboyce - 1/17/2001 10:44:52 AM Thanks, Dusty. I got 'em. 7413. Stumbo - 1/19/2001 1:26:02 AM Pelle: 7414. Dusty - 1/19/2001 10:00:29 AM "Boss, I have a complaint," said the young investment advisor. 7415. Raskolnikov - 1/19/2001 10:45:55 AM Yes, Jones will make much more money for the company so long as you do the opposite of what he recommends. 7416. Dusty - 1/19/2001 10:47:44 AM Bingo 7417. Raskolnikov - 1/19/2001 10:51:14 AM I tried using that argument once to claim victory in an NFL playoff pool. The inverse of my predictions were better than the predictions of the winner. The argument didn't fly for some reason. 7418. Raskolnikov - 1/19/2001 10:52:26 AM Although I once had a college professor who said that if you got every question wrong on a 100 question multiple choice test, he would give you an A+. 7419. Dusty - 1/19/2001 11:02:52 AM Raskolnikov 7420. Dusty - 1/19/2001 11:05:19 AM 7421. Dusty - 1/19/2001 11:06:17 AM oops sorry 7422. Raskolnikov - 1/19/2001 11:07:54 AM "I'm vaguely recalling that there is some strategy involving two 7423. AytchMan - 1/19/2001 4:02:10 PM dusty-- 7424. Indiana Jones - 1/19/2001 4:07:56 PM AytchMan: Along the same line, I thought about whether Jones was a normal investor and the other guy was a "shorter." If you short a stock, you can only gain the initial price of the stock, even if it goes belly up. 7425. Indiana Jones - 1/19/2001 4:08:58 PM (Also, the possibility for loss is inverse, of course.) 7426. AytchMan - 1/19/2001 4:38:01 PM indy-- 7427. Indiana Jones - 1/19/2001 4:39:37 PM Aytch: I just posted about that in the TV thread. It was JJ who was working on it, but I did indicate an interest. 7428. JJBiener - 1/19/2001 4:47:05 PM H-man - I am indeed working on the Mote Mystery Theater. I was hoping to have it ready by now, but so far it is still in the works. We'll open a separate thread when the time comes. 7429. AytchMan - 1/19/2001 5:01:54 PM jj-- 7430. Indiana Jones - 1/19/2001 5:05:04 PM I think it's been around a year since the last Jeopardy game. I might try that again in late Feb or March. 7431. Dusty - 1/19/2001 5:06:26 PM AytchMan 7432. JJBiener - 1/19/2001 5:09:07 PM H - It will be a traditional murder mystery similar to one I ran when we were still in the Fray. I will post installments in the persona of the detective investigating the murder. Others are free to discuss clues, present theories, ask questions, etc. When someone thinks they have it figured out, they email me their suspect, motive and how the murder was committed. After the mystery is over I will publish the list of who solved it in order. 7433. AytchMan - 1/19/2001 5:14:27 PM indy-- 7434. arkymalarky - 1/19/2001 9:46:26 PM This seems like as much the place to post this as elsewhere since it's quiz and puzzle related. 7435. Stumbo - 1/19/2001 11:41:24 PM Arky: 7436. Dusty - 1/20/2001 8:50:59 AM 7437. Dusty - 1/20/2001 9:02:47 AM Puzzle 7438. arkymalarky - 1/20/2001 1:39:00 PM Thanks Dusty. I'd been milling over Stumbo's since last night. I either see those things almost immediately or not at all. Maria's phenomenal, I've noticed from lurking in here. 7439. Dusty - 1/20/2001 1:40:24 PM arkymalarky 7440. Dusty - 1/20/2001 1:47:47 PM Arky, 7441. Indiana Jones - 1/20/2001 1:51:12 PM A variant answer on 7437: Because her husband is blind. 7442. Indiana Jones - 1/20/2001 2:10:29 PM This is an old puzzle, but maybe it's not been posted here before: 7443. Indiana Jones - 1/20/2001 2:10:59 PM 7444. Indiana Jones - 1/20/2001 2:11:20 PM This is an old puzzle, but maybe it's not been posted here before: 7445. AytchMan - 1/20/2001 7:19:11 PM indy-- 7446. Stumbo - 1/21/2001 12:23:01 AM Dusty, #7437: 7447. Stumbo - 1/21/2001 12:28:25 AM IJ: 7448. Indiana Jones - 1/21/2001 11:00:06 AM Aytch: Your presumption is correct. 7449. Indiana Jones - 1/21/2001 11:01:42 AM (And in case this also wasn't clear, each gets one shot per turn.) 7450. mgleason - 1/22/2001 11:21:23 AM You might find this mythology exam fun: 7451. mgleason - 1/22/2001 11:24:12 AM 14) The sea nymph who was the mother of Achilles was ______. 7452. mgleason - 1/22/2001 11:25:10 AM 29) _____ is Creon's son, who died shortly after Antigone. 7453. mgleason - 1/22/2001 11:25:43 AM 41) There were three of these winged, dragon-like creatures, two of which were immortal. Who were they? 7454. DanDillon - 1/22/2001 11:38:36 AM 4. d 7455. mgleason - 1/22/2001 11:42:51 AM Dan, 7456. DanDillon - 1/22/2001 11:44:04 AM Shitty percentage, that. 7457. mgleason - 1/22/2001 11:54:09 AM I know you know the answer to 20 and 48, and if you concentrate, you'll also get 12, 16, 17, 31, 35, 36, 41, 44, and 49. 7458. Raskolnikov - 1/22/2001 12:14:36 PM 12a, 16a, 17d, 20a, 48a, 31c, 35d, 36c, 41c, 44c (I think), 49a 7459. mgleason - 1/22/2001 12:19:26 PM Excellent, Raskolnikov! Only 44 is incorrect. 7460. Raskolnikov - 1/22/2001 12:41:05 PM As long as I am at it, I'll just go down the list... 7461. mgleason - 1/22/2001 12:52:43 PM Congratulations! All correct save for 3, 7, 8, 11, 19, 24, 29, 46, and 47. (Your second choice for 11 is on the money.) 7462. Wombat - 1/22/2001 3:41:14 PM 9) Aeneas 7463. mgleason - 1/22/2001 3:44:34 PM Correct on 9 (as was Raskolnikov), but no go on 46, Wombat. 7464. JJBiener - 1/22/2001 3:54:05 PM Maria - Good quiz, but there are too many to keep track of. Next time break it down into 4 or 5 smaller quizzes, please. Thanks. 7465. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 3:58:09 PM Well, 46 must be Cerberus, Pegasus being male, I'm pretty sure. (But then, I thought C. was too and so thought Hydra was it. 7466. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 4:14:07 PM I see I misread #46, but I'll have to make the same guess anyway, if it isn't Hydra. 7467. mgleason - 1/22/2001 4:22:39 PM Marvelous, CMB! The only ones you missed were 6, 8, 16, 22, 23, 28, 29, 30, 41, 44, and 46. 7468. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 5:00:23 PM I think, then, that the only ones still out are: 7469. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 5:02:32 PM I'll take second shots at 8 and 29: "d" for each. 7470. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 5:04:00 PM Great quiz, btw! Thanks, Maria (if I may). Fwiw, I rather like the length of it. You get a little immersed, just reading it. 7471. mgleason - 1/22/2001 5:04:25 PM Pegasus sprang full-grown from Medusa's neck when she was killed by Perseus. 7472. mgleason - 1/22/2001 5:05:34 PM Nope on 8 and 29. :-( 7473. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 5:15:04 PM Well then, hmm. Haemon; I don't even remember the name. Though that shouldn't surprise, since I've only read the thing once, and that many years ago. 7474. Dusty - 1/22/2001 5:21:28 PM Message # 7446 Stumbo 7475. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 5:26:12 PM Oddly, OCD3's entry "Lupercalia" does not say, though it rather sounds as though it might have been Faunus. Mgleason will probably have told us before I finish typing this, in any case: 7476. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 5:27:08 PM ". 7477. mgleason - 1/22/2001 5:28:50 PM Yep, it's Faunus. 7478. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 5:39:43 PM "...striking bystanders", of course. This reminds me of a show I saw recently of Tibetan, or maybe Nepalese, masks—big things, virtually costumes—worn in a traditional festival, in which one figure, I think it was the Old White Man (not Causasian, just magical), went around striking the women with some such thing as the Luperci used, the intent being two-fold: 1) it conferred fertility, and 2) it removed the curse applied by any previous of the figures, who were doing the same thing (whipping) malevolently. (I may not have that last part quite right—I can't find the notes I took at the time—but n'less, it resembles this Lupercalian thing, strikingly.) 7479. Indiana Jones - 1/22/2001 10:51:54 PM Answer to 7444: 7480. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 10:59:30 PM Why? Supposing B shoots C (because she's the bigger threat), then it's A's turn again in any case. And if she passes a second time, she's dead meat. It seems to me she'd be better taking her chances and hoping to get lucky on the first crack and that C is having an off day. 7481. Indiana Jones - 1/22/2001 11:12:01 PM cmboyce: 7482. Indiana Jones - 1/22/2001 11:12:27 PM Toy check. 7483. cmboyce - 1/22/2001 11:16:00 PM Aha! Very good, Indiana. I should have seen that. Even with my feeble math, it's pretty obvious. 7484. Stumbo - 1/23/2001 12:54:35 AM Dusty: 7485. Stumbo - 1/27/2001 5:26:14 PM Quick puzzle: 7486. mgleason - 1/27/2001 5:57:58 PM Stupid pet tricks. ;-) 7487. Stumbo - 1/27/2001 6:22:24 PM I can assure you, MG, that my cat has nothing to do with this. 7488. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 5:44:46 AM What is this? 7489. transient1a - 1/29/2001 9:22:55 AM 7488 7490. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 9:45:46 AM transient 7491. Dusty - 1/29/2001 9:51:50 AM 7492. Dusty - 1/29/2001 9:52:30 AM Oops, sorry, meant to use white font, then got caught up trying to clean up toys and forgot. 7493. Dusty - 1/29/2001 9:55:15 AM Pelle 7494. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 9:57:37 AM #2 is perhaps a device for checking on the dissolution process. Once the specimen is in a delectable state of decay, the element on the left penetrates, to provide the connoisseur a sampling of the choicest cut, the foot. 7495. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:01:15 AM Very good, Dusty. 7496. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:02:12 AM cm 7497. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:05:48 AM A device whereby to feed the dissolution process? A lime depository. Very clever, but is there really a need? (These marketeers...) 7498. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:08:04 AM In #1, I presume the "28" refers to the subjects left hand, which is engaged in patting someone else on the back, thereby doubling the efficacy of the device. Humane. 7499. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:09:53 AM 7500. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:09:55 AM ...subject's... 7501. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:10:53 AM 7502. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:15:10 AM Aaah! What the hell?! 7504. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:17:53 AM #7503 was sparked by the sight of the entire butter bar appearing with my post! And now it's gone! This is to the good, of course, but what's with this green? 7505. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:20:58 AM And now I see that my answer in 7501 did not appear! (Poltergeists! Acting on behalf of ... the answer!) 7506. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:21:53 AM 7507. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:25:56 AM (Actually, that would be: acting on behalf of the answer's object.) 7508. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:30:24 AM 7509. Dusty - 1/29/2001 10:36:10 AM 7510. Dusty - 1/29/2001 10:37:47 AM Pelle 7511. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:38:53 AM 7512. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 10:42:17 AM 7513. Wombat - 1/29/2001 1:26:10 PM A device that guards against someone being buried alive? 7514. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 1:47:20 PM You got it, Wombat! Although I dare say cm had nailed it too given the "undead" in white ink. I understand the fear of being buried alive was real fad at the end of the 19th century and a regular feature of the so called gothic novels.This is how the inventor explains its purpose: 7515. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 2:09:08 PM Hey, Pelle: 7516. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 2:10:31 PM The highlighted # should be Message # 7489! 7517. PelleNilsson - 1/29/2001 2:31:27 PM 7518. Stumbo - 1/30/2001 12:27:47 AM Well, dammit, I thought #7485 was gonna be quick... 7519. Stumbo - 1/30/2001 11:37:49 PM Sigh. Here's the answer: 7520. jexster - 2/1/2001 9:55:18 PM Social Statistics - Quiz of the Week 7521. jexster - 2/1/2001 9:56:46 PM Soc 393 Quiz of the Week 1 7522. cmboyce - 2/1/2001 10:22:05 PM Well, let's see, it's a little hard to read (1977-98, right?): It never goes below about 75%; it rises sharply in 1977, peaks in '82, collapses over seven years to a low (nearly back to 75%) in '89, and then repeats the cycle in a smaller pattern over 8 years, the main collapse occuring through 1997. 7523. cmboyce - 2/1/2001 10:24:23 PM Can someone relate the peaks and troughs to Supreme Court decisions? Or terrorist attacks? Or student massacres? One supposes something of the sort must be the key that the Prof thinks will be illuminating. 7524. CalGal - 2/1/2001 10:26:14 PM I don't think that's 1998, is it? Looks like 1990. 7525. cmboyce - 2/1/2001 10:34:10 PM Looks like an 8, here. But it is fucked up. 1977 might be 1972 as well. But supposing that the short near-horizontal near the beginning is one year, it'll work from 77-98 (I think). 7526. cmboyce - 2/1/2001 10:34:56 PM And what's that esoteric notation below the left side of the graph? 7527. CalGal - 2/1/2001 10:38:38 PM I just looked at the original. It is 72 through 98, sorry. 7528. cmboyce - 2/1/2001 10:55:30 PM Well, in that case I can't see how to date anything. Supposing that little horizontal part way down the big incline is one year, 72-98 won't fit. If it's more than one, say two, then it will go beyond '98. 7529. CalGal - 2/1/2001 10:57:02 PM 7530. jexster - 2/1/2001 11:05:12 PM Thanks guys! 7531. jexster - 2/1/2001 11:05:47 PM left side (mystery variable) is it really % approve??????? 7532. cmboyce - 2/1/2001 11:45:21 PM Thanks Cal. That makes it much more readable. It looks as though the peaks are at quarters of a year. Christ, Jex, tell your guy to get his act together. 7533. cmboyce - 2/1/2001 11:47:44 PM It doesn't really seem to have too much to do with ruling political party or prexy. Economic downs and ups? Anyone? 7534. mgleason - 2/2/2001 12:03:06 AM Public support for capital punishment? 7535. JJBiener - 2/2/2001 12:22:21 AM My guess is public support for Roe v Wade. 7536. mgleason - 2/2/2001 12:29:53 AM I don't think so. I remember reading an article saying that support for Roe had peaked at around 55-56% in the early 90s. 7537. cmboyce - 2/2/2001 12:43:15 AM War Powers Act? 7538. cmboyce - 2/2/2001 12:46:31 AM But "social policy" probably means "domestic policy". 7539. joezan - 2/2/2001 12:59:39 AM 7540. AytchMan - 2/2/2001 1:02:09 AM The problem is that the graph emphasizes what is actually a rather small variation -- only 10 points over 18 years. Basically, the public has supported the policy pretty solidly throughout the period. 7541. CalGal - 2/2/2001 1:46:33 AM I don't see support for Roe vs. Wade dropping like that recently. Is energy conservation a social policy? 7542. Indiana Jones - 2/2/2001 9:23:20 AM I agree with AytchMan's comment. If most polls have a margin of error of 3 points, it's not really measuring a whole lot of fluctuation. 7543. cmboyce - 2/2/2001 9:24:03 AM I'll go with capital punishment, also. But as Aytch points out, this is a somewhat silly exercise, there having been fairly little movement in public sentiment about whatever it is. 7544. Indiana Jones - 2/2/2001 9:24:26 AM Marie=Maria (I'm going on memory, so joezan probably remembers better'n I do.) 7545. cmboyce - 2/2/2001 9:26:42 AM I don't think the Equal Rights Amendment ever commanded 75% approval. Unfortunately. 7546. PelleNilsson - 2/2/2001 9:51:08 AM Indy 7547. Indiana Jones - 2/2/2001 9:55:25 AM Pelle: Yep, I agree that dramatic is too strong of a word. But it is (relatively) the most dramatic change. 7548. cmboyce - 2/2/2001 9:59:53 AM Maybe it's support for capital punishment in Texas. 7549. DocBrown - 2/2/2001 10:03:37 AM Cmboyce, actually it looks like one point per year to me. 7550. Dusty - 2/2/2001 10:24:59 AM cmboyce 7551. cmboyce - 2/2/2001 10:30:22 AM Good point, Dusty. And the thing does indeed illustrate that point well. 7552. DocBrown - 2/2/2001 1:57:58 PM 7553. labwabbit - 2/10/2001 7:49:28 PM Not if you use VB. 7554. Indiana Jones - 2/11/2001 7:43:08 PM And the answer is...? 7555. jexster - 2/12/2001 8:32:11 PM 7556. jexster - 2/12/2001 8:33:35 PM Quiz of the Week 7557. jexster - 2/12/2001 8:33:59 PM Answer to last week's quiz: Abortion 7558. Stumbo - 2/13/2001 12:37:30 AM Specifically what about abortion? Personally approve, personally disapprove? Think it should be legal, think it should be illegal? Etc. 7559. Stumbo - 2/13/2001 2:16:45 PM ... There's a quiz over in Books, in case anyone cares. Most questions still open. 7560. jexster - 2/13/2001 5:01:19 PM Also no Margin of Error.. 7561. Stumbo - 2/14/2001 2:13:09 AM Well, we really aren't told anything definite about the samples, not just their size. So, for all we know, the first poll could've been conducted solely among left-handed gay males living in Hoboken, the second solely among red-haired Catholic Libras, and so on. 7562. labwabbit - 2/17/2001 8:21:03 PM 1) "1900" following Oct 86 7563. PelleNilsson - 2/22/2001 3:53:19 PM Who is the well-known Motie who posts in TT under the pen name used by Alexander Hamilton when the Federal Papers were first published? 7564. Indiana Jones - 2/22/2001 4:06:10 PM Too easy: Publius Redux = dusty <-answer 7565. rubberducky - 2/22/2001 4:10:53 PM oh - that's who that is 7566. PelleNilsson - 2/22/2001 4:30:04 PM For you Butch but not for the Quack Kid. 7567. Indiana Jones - 2/22/2001 4:33:18 PM Pelle: "Too easy" was what the mystery poster said in response to my last puzzle. 7568. dusty - 2/23/2001 4:16:11 PM Can I guess? 7569. JJBiener - 2/23/2001 4:18:05 PM Dusty - Are you still planning a trip to STL? 7570. dusty - 2/23/2001 4:27:03 PM JJBiener 7571. JJBiener - 2/23/2001 4:30:50 PM Dusty - If you are interested, my band is playing from 9-1 on the 30th. 7572. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 7:04:50 PM Identify the film: 7573. theDiva - 2/28/2001 7:05:53 PM 10. Poltergeist 7574. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 7:07:54 PM Diva. Yes to #10. 7575. theDiva - 2/28/2001 7:09:06 PM well, I'm folding. That's as far as I can get. 7576. CalGal - 2/28/2001 7:09:59 PM 9. Invasion of the Body Snatchers. 7577. CalGal - 2/28/2001 7:11:24 PM 1. From Here to Eternity? 7578. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 7:12:12 PM Most aren't too hard, Deev. 7579. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 7:12:44 PM Nope--all horror movies. 7580. CalGal - 2/28/2001 7:14:19 PM No! Wait. I think I just spotted the trend. 1 is Willard. 7581. CalGal - 2/28/2001 7:14:42 PM Ack. I hadn't refreshed, obviously. 7582. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 7:15:32 PM Correct on #1. 7583. CalGal - 2/28/2001 7:15:43 PM It was always on the commercial preview, "You made me hate myself!!" said all wacko like. 7584. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 7:19:53 PM Outta here. Will give additional clues tomorrow if for any left open. 7585. vw - 2/28/2001 7:21:06 PM #8 Twilight Zone: The Movie? 7586. theDiva - 2/28/2001 7:22:09 PM Indy 7587. CalGal - 2/28/2001 7:22:32 PM 6 is Stephen King. I never watch movies of Stephen King, but I'm gonna guess The Shining. If not that, Misery. Only King characterse go beserk when they're not allowed to write. 7588. vw - 2/28/2001 7:22:35 PM #7 Alien 7589. vw - 2/28/2001 7:24:25 PM #5 Psycho 7590. CalGal - 2/28/2001 7:24:37 PM Dammit. I kept focusing on Aliens, and completely forgot about the first. 7591. vw - 2/28/2001 7:25:01 PM I think you're right on The Shining Cal. Seems like a Jack thing to say. 7592. vw - 2/28/2001 7:27:28 PM #4 Freaks 7593. vw - 2/28/2001 7:31:48 PM #2 Plan Nine From Outer Space (courtesy of Mr. Wing) 7594. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 11:39:11 PM Wow, you've solved them all but #3. 7595. vw - 2/28/2001 11:48:14 PM 7596. Indiana Jones - 2/28/2001 11:50:45 PM vw: #1. I've not seen any of the others either, but I saw the first in high school. 7597. vw - 2/28/2001 11:54:41 PM (grin) 7598. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 10:51:36 AM During WWII, a mathematician is called in by the RAF to make a recommendation about reinforcing their bombers. The problem is that the bombers are proving too susceptible to antiaircraft fire from the ground. The proposed solution is to reinforce the metal plating on the bottom of the bombers to lessen this susceptibility. 7599. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 12:15:50 PM 7600. ScottLoar - 3/7/2001 12:16:19 PM #6 is The Shining, absolutely. 7601. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 12:17:30 PM 7602. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 12:17:55 PM #4 -- Freaks 7603. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 12:18:24 PM 7604. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 12:20:22 PM 7605. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 12:21:53 PM 7606. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 12:54:53 PM Ace: Flying upside down is incorrect. 7607. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:01:46 PM 7608. Laura C - 3/7/2001 1:01:54 PM Indiana - Armor the crew, not the aircraft? 7609. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:03:41 PM 7610. Francis Urquhart - 3/7/2001 1:04:39 PM 7) you got to do it well, you got to give the other fella' hellllllllllllllll - Wings - Live and Let Die 7611. CalGal - 3/7/2001 1:04:56 PM God, I would know the only schlocky one in the group: 7612. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 1:05:24 PM 2. Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty 7613. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 1:06:39 PM 4. Watchlights fade from every room. 7614. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:07:03 PM IJ, 7615. Francis Urquhart - 3/7/2001 1:07:34 PM 2) . . . but your cryin', your [something] now - Gerry Rafferty, Dunno the song 7616. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:08:06 PM 7617. CalGal - 3/7/2001 1:09:05 PM But you're crying, you're crying now. 7618. Francis Urquhart - 3/7/2001 1:09:33 PM 15) "With every move he makes, another chance he takes..." 7619. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 1:09:51 PM Laura: Nope. 7620. Wombat - 3/7/2001 1:09:56 PM 2) "You used to think that it was so easy, you used to say that it was so easy" 7621. CalGal - 3/7/2001 1:10:35 PM Oh, then it's "trying", not "crying". 7622. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:10:58 PM 7623. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 1:11:40 PM Dang. I love "Secret Agent Man." 7624. Laura C - 3/7/2001 1:12:01 PM 12- kicking down chairs and knocking down tables in a restaurant, in a West End town. 7625. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:12:32 PM 7626. Francis Urquhart - 3/7/2001 1:14:58 PM What's left? 7627. CalGal - 3/7/2001 1:18:09 PM 2,4,7,12, 13, and 15 have been answered. 7628. Francis Urquhart - 3/7/2001 1:19:40 PM Complete the lyric. Identify song & performer. 7629. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:19:47 PM 7630. seadate - 3/7/2001 1:20:20 PM 3. Styx - Mr. Roboto 7631. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:20:43 PM 7632. Francis Urquhart - 3/7/2001 1:21:08 PM Eh. I'm done. I don't know any of these. 7633. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:21:13 PM seadate: 7635. CalGal - 3/7/2001 1:23:45 PM 6) Okay, I know the song and can point to the group but not the next lyric. It is that Waterfall song by the group of three black chicks. 7636. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:24:17 PM 7637. CalGal - 3/7/2001 1:27:44 PM Just on the clue I would guess that 14 is Prince, but that's just because he's the only alternative pop musician who had big hits at that time. 7638. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:28:12 PM 1) "You told me you'd hold me until the day you died..." OPEN -- EASY!!! 7639. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 1:28:44 PM 5) "Romeo and Juliette are together in eternity..." 7640. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:29:28 PM 7641. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 1:30:36 PM 9) "Then I woke up, Mom and Dad are Rolling on couch, rollin over, rockin rollin, ..." 7642. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:31:00 PM 9) "Then I woke up, Mom and Dad are Rolling on couch, rollin over, rockin rollin, ..." 7643. AytchMan - 3/7/2001 1:31:31 PM 5) We can be like they are? 7644. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:32:25 PM 7645. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:34:17 PM 7646. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 1:35:16 PM Ace - I have to run to a meeting. Be back later. 7647. Fielding - 3/7/2001 1:37:23 PM 9) Surender by Cheap Trick 7648. Laura C - 3/7/2001 1:38:20 PM I'm out too. I can hear 8 in my head, but I'll never remember the group. 7649. Wombat - 3/7/2001 1:38:52 PM They repeat Romeo and Juliet, and then 40,000 men and women...something like that. 7650. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:39:49 PM 7651. Wombat - 3/7/2001 1:44:47 PM From my freshman year in college. Also "Magic Man" and "Rhiannon." 7652. Fielding - 3/7/2001 1:47:29 PM Only Ace would describe a song about suicide as "silly". 7653. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:48:04 PM Answers in white (don't look if you're still playing): 7654. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:50:41 PM 7655. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:51:32 PM 7656. vw - 3/7/2001 1:55:34 PM #1 still open? 7657. PsychProf - 3/7/2001 1:57:03 PM Baker Street by Jerry Raftery was in "Good Will Hunting", a PP favorite... 7658. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:57:43 PM 7659. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 1:59:50 PM 7660. vw - 3/7/2001 2:01:03 PM I have teenage daughters I KNOW Alannis tunes. (grin) 7661. Fielding - 3/7/2001 2:05:36 PM Ace: 7662. vw - 3/7/2001 2:12:33 PM Wang Chung's "Dance Hall Days" is responsible for my favorite misheard lyrics of all times. I had a friend that thought it was "Take your baby by the ears, and play upon her doggie spheres." 7663. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 2:12:41 PM 7664. PsychProf - 3/7/2001 2:18:57 PM Ace...this is a geeky Prof yer asking...I don't even know who the Foo Fighters are. As for Wang Chung ya gotta love a song that personally celebrates the vocalists. 7665. Fielding - 3/7/2001 2:29:16 PM PP: 7666. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 2:34:59 PM I think that PsychProf is referring to the song's invitation to "turn on the radio" if you're feeling low. 7667. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 2:59:07 PM A report from 7598, which was buried in the lyrics quiz: 7668. ChristinO - 3/7/2001 3:00:39 PM So the answers are probly all in by now but I had fun with this anyway: 7669. ChristinO - 3/7/2001 3:00:46 PM 9 - "Then I woke up, Mom and Dad are Rolling on couch, Rolling numbers, rock and rolling, got my Kiss records out. 7670. PsychProf - 3/7/2001 3:01:18 PM Isn't it "Everybody Wang Chung Tonite" by Wang Chung?...Chrissakes, I'm in over my head here. 7671. PsychProf - 3/7/2001 3:02:32 PM CO...I actually know most of that stuff...what does that mean? 7672. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:04:41 PM 7673. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:06:47 PM 7674. PsychProf - 3/7/2001 3:10:19 PM 7675. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 3:11:21 PM This one came up this weekend on a ski trip. Apologies if it's an old one around here. I first read it in one of Smullyan's books. 7676. ChristinO - 3/7/2001 3:12:24 PM Is #14 Life During Wartime by the Talking Heads? 7677. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:12:30 PM 7678. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:12:41 PM 7679. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 3:12:51 PM Ace: Maybe it's not a very good puzzle, but I thought the answer was neat because it's unexpected. It reminds me of a story I read about Henry Ford and how he went to the junkyard to examine a bunch of Fords and asked the junkyard man which parts tended to wear out the most on Fords. 7680. Wombat - 3/7/2001 3:13:24 PM Armor the bomb bay doors so a shell doesn't set off the bomb load. 7681. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:14:41 PM 7682. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 3:15:03 PM 24. Devil Went Down to Georgia. Charlie Daniels. 7683. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:15:26 PM 7684. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:16:09 PM 7685. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:16:11 PM Christin - Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler 7686. CalGal - 3/7/2001 3:16:56 PM Jamie, 7687. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 3:17:56 PM 27. Patsy Cline. "Crazy" 7688. Wombat - 3/7/2001 3:18:21 PM The way the question was presented implied that there was no armor on the planes already. 7689. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:20:00 PM 17) The Way, Fastball 7690. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:20:23 PM 7691. AceofSpades - 3/7/2001 3:21:04 PM 7692. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 3:21:22 PM Calgal, at least one of the things you said is not correct, but I'll wait a bit to give things away. 7693. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:26:53 PM 17)They'll never get hungry 7694. ChristinO - 3/7/2001 3:28:07 PM 22 - ...making all of my wishes come true 7695. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:28:26 PM 18)In the shape of an L on her forehead 7696. PsychProf - 3/7/2001 3:30:23 PM CO...Joey Scarbury, believe it or not I knew that. 7697. ChristinO - 3/7/2001 3:30:56 PM 32 - American Girl - Tom Petty 7698. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:31:29 PM 23)If I was young it didn't stop you coming through 7699. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 3:32:37 PM 23. "Video Killed the Radio Star" 7700. Fielding - 3/7/2001 3:33:04 PM 25) Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles 7701. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 3:33:15 PM Beaten by JJ . . . 7702. ChristinO - 3/7/2001 3:33:44 PM 26 - we can beat them forever and ever 7703. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:34:39 PM 18) In the shape of an L on her forehead 7704. Fielding - 3/7/2001 3:35:47 PM 23) I heard you on my wireless back in ’52 7705. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:36:44 PM Beat you to Fielding. Including the trivia question. 7706. Fielding - 3/7/2001 3:37:04 PM 24) The boy said, “My name’s Johnny and it might be a sin 7707. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 3:37:06 PM I think JJ's way ahead of you, Fielding - see 7698. 7708. Fielding - 3/7/2001 3:37:44 PM 26) I, I wish you could swim 7709. Fielding - 3/7/2001 3:38:14 PM 28)He-man drag in a glittering ballroom 7710. Fielding - 3/7/2001 3:40:34 PM Nicely done, JJ. 7711. Fielding - 3/7/2001 3:41:45 PM 30)Just because the record has a groove don’t make in the groove 7712. CalGal - 3/7/2001 3:43:48 PM Hey, JJ, could you check tech when you have a minute? 7713. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 3:53:07 PM 18) In the shape of an L on her forehead 7714. Laura C - 3/7/2001 3:59:12 PM 20/31 - Heart and Soul? 7715. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 4:02:10 PM I have no idea why #7713 decided to show up again. I posted it a half an hour ago and posted several things since then in several different threads. I think it was lost in cyberspace and finally found its way home. 7716. Fielding - 3/7/2001 4:08:55 PM 21) Mirror mirror on the wall 7717. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 4:32:31 PM Ha. This is what I get for posting a math question. Answer in white. 7718. Fielding - 3/7/2001 4:36:25 PM Jamie: 7719. CalGal - 3/7/2001 4:37:34 PM Jamie, 7720. Fielding - 3/7/2001 4:42:18 PM Cecil Adams wrote a nice article on this phenomenon. It basically turns on always selecting a second choice which is a possible winner. 7721. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 4:43:44 PM (I keep losing my Mote connection today.) 7722. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 4:46:42 PM The second box is better because the host didn't choose it and the host has knowledge of which is the correct box (as I recall). 7723. CalGal - 3/7/2001 4:47:24 PM Oh, that makes sense. 7724. CalGal - 3/7/2001 4:47:49 PM Wait. No, it doesn't. The host might know just as well that the box I'm holding might have the money. 7725. CalGal - 3/7/2001 4:48:14 PM Do you plate the section under the pilots? 7726. Laura C - 3/7/2001 4:51:56 PM He is inspecting only the planes that made it back, because the planes that were shot down obviously aren't available? 7727. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 4:52:58 PM Cal: There was a 1/3 chance you picked correctly, and hence a 2/3 chance you picked wrong initially. 7728. Stephanie D. - 3/7/2001 4:53:13 PM The distinction about Video Killed the Radio Star is that it was the first video ever shown on MTV. 7729. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 4:53:34 PM Laura C: Correct! And so...? 7730. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 4:53:45 PM There's a lot of different ways of looking at it, but it basically turns on the fact the the two remaining boxes behave like a weighted coin. 7731. CalGal - 3/7/2001 4:54:35 PM Plate the places that weren't shot up? 7732. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 4:54:38 PM Indiana Jones, thank you. Much more succinct. 7733. CalGal - 3/7/2001 4:55:37 PM Jamie, 7734. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 4:58:49 PM Cal: Right. You plate the parts of the planes that don't have holes because the presumption is that the planes that were shot in those places went down. 7735. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:04:34 PM 7730: "C inherits the 2 in 3 odds of the money being anywhere in that set." 7736. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:06:02 PM Look at it this way: Assuming that one box has the money and two are empty, no matter what our first guess is the magician will be able to show us an empty box among the two we did not pick. So how can we possibly gain information from the fact that the magician showed us an empty box?? 7737. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 5:14:47 PM Ohio - Look at the possibilities 7738. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 5:16:25 PM Ohio: Look at it this way. Suppose we take the three boxes and put two of them in one pile and one in another pile by itself. Then I tell you can choose either pile. Which pile do you think has the greater chance of having the prize? 7739. Fielding - 3/7/2001 5:18:26 PM Nice puzzle, Indy. 7740. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 5:19:45 PM Didn't Elliot lead us through a variant of this puzzle a year or two ago? 7741. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:21:10 PM "Ohio: Look at it this way. Suppose we take the three boxes and put two 7742. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 5:23:48 PM Fielding: Supposedly, Henry Ford liked to go to junk yards and see which parts of his cars weren't wearing out at all and tell his engineers to quit making those parts so well because it was inefficient to have them winding up in junkyards when the rest of the car wore out. My zoology textbook said nature was the same way, and that was why extending the human life span would be a very difficult proposition. Biologically, all our parts are programmed to not last much longer than they do. 7743. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 5:24:58 PM If I know that one of the boxes in the two-box pile is empty, it's an equal chance. 7744. Fielding - 3/7/2001 5:26:35 PM Ohio: 7745. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:28:14 PM JJ: I think your analysis is flawed because you left out the fourth possibility: 7746. Fielding - 3/7/2001 5:28:59 PM Indy: 7747. CalGal - 3/7/2001 5:29:04 PM The odds aren't in your favor to switch. You've already picked. It's just fake manipulation, like that thing with the prisoner who thinks he won't die. 7748. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:29:19 PM Fielding: I think there are four scenarios, not 3. 7749. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 5:30:02 PM But if you only have one shot, what's the difference between random and always? 7750. CalGal - 3/7/2001 5:31:08 PM By definition, "the odds are better" means "if you did it again and again and again this way would give you more successes." 7751. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:32:31 PM Indy (7743): The magician knows which box is empty (or knows that both in the two-box pile are empty) and he shows it to me. Doesn't change anything. 7752. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 5:32:35 PM Ohio: JJ's explanation is clear, but here is another way of thinking about it. What are the odds that the first box you select will have the coin? One in three. Since one of the other two boxes *has* to be empty, revealing an empty box does *not* change the 1 in 3 odds that you chose correctly the first time. So, the chance that the coin is in the *other* unopened box are now 2 in 3. 7753. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 5:35:59 PM Rask: That's pretty much what I said in post 7727. 7754. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 5:36:16 PM Take that to an extreme. Imagine the same game played with 100 boxes, where each time you keep picking one box as the magician shows you one other box which is empty. Eventually, you are down to two boxes: the one you chose the first time, and another box, which has repeatedly been selected to remain in the running. Are the odds even that the coin just happens to be in the box you picked first? 7755. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 5:36:43 PM IJ: I haven't read back that far. 7756. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:37:56 PM No, Rask. You're comparing apples and oranges: The odds that Box A has the cash when you have no information (Box A - 1/3) and the odds that Box C has the cash after you know B is empty. 7757. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 5:39:45 PM Ohio, that's funny. I suggets we play 10,000 rounds at a dollar a round and then settle up. I'll take you to the midway with my winnings and you can buy an elephant ear. 7758. Indiana Jones - 3/7/2001 5:40:40 PM Rask: Ha-ha. We really are thinking alike. I was just about to use the 100 box example myself, but then thought better of it. 7759. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 5:41:36 PM Ohio - I think your analysis is flawed because you left out the fourth possibility: 7760. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:41:53 PM Rask (7754): YES! Once 98 of the 100 boxes are removed, the odds ARE 50-50 that the coin is the box you first chose, as opposed to the remaining box that you didn't choose. 7761. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 5:42:03 PM The 100 box example was how I first convinced myself of it as well. 7762. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 5:42:41 PM test? 7763. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 5:43:21 PM Ohio: "No, Rask. You're comparing apples and oranges: The odds that Box A 7764. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 5:43:49 PM 7765. Dusty - 3/7/2001 5:45:46 PM Jamie R's puzzle is classic, but unless I missed something, no one mentioned that it is the Monte Hall Three Doors problem, popularized by Marilynn vos Savant. 7766. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 5:46:14 PM "Rask (7754): YES! Once 98 of the 100 boxes are removed, the odds 7767. CalGal - 3/7/2001 5:49:56 PM Dusty, 7768. CalGal - 3/7/2001 5:51:41 PM I think the ability to understand this problem comes down to whether or not you think the opening of the box "changes" anything. I'm with Ohio. I see no change in any instance of it. I realize that this is like that prisoner puzzle that makes no sense to me, either. 7769. Dusty - 3/7/2001 5:51:42 PM OhioSTOPAS 7770. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 5:53:28 PM I mentioned that I first read it in a book by Raymond Smullyand, which I am sure must have predated vos Savant's book (early 70's maybe?) 7771. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:54:14 PM Rask (7766): No, I'm saying (and maybe "50-50" wasn't the right way to say it) that the odds that the coin is in the box you first chose are the same as it being in any ONE box of the other 99. 7772. Dusty - 3/7/2001 5:54:22 PM Jamie R 7773. Dusty - 3/7/2001 5:55:27 PM But CG is correct, Fielding did reference Monty Hall, though not vos Savant. 7774. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 5:55:31 PM I'm going home now. Hopefully I won't crash into anybody while I'm thinking about boxes and Monte Hall. 7775. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 5:58:20 PM Cal: the change is that the box rejected was selected non-randomly. It was rejected *because* it didn't have the coin. At the same time, the box you first picked was *exempted* from this selection process. 7776. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 5:58:26 PM Dusty, I didn't think you had. I figured there were some latecomers so I'd plug Smullyan again. 7777. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 6:00:12 PM "Rask (7766): No, I'm saying (and maybe "50-50" wasn't the right way to say it) that the odds that the coin is in the box you first chose are the 7778. Dusty - 3/7/2001 6:00:13 PM The best way to understand the puzzle is to actually play it out with a friend, using paper cups and coins, or whatever. Most people quickly see why the answer works, and if they had reached another answer, they either see why it is wrong, or realize they were making an assumption inconsistent with one of the (usually unstated) assumptions. 7779. CalGal - 3/7/2001 6:02:59 PM Rask, 7780. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 6:05:36 PM I had problems understanding this puzzle the first time I heard it, because Elliot did not state that the box I chose was exempted from rejection. Once the rules of the magician's behavior were made clear, the lightbulb came on. 7781. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 6:08:25 PM Cal: basically, the boxes are being separated into two groups. The first group (that you choose) is left alone. The second group has some Darwinian selection practiced on it, where non-coin holders are ruthlessly purged from the gene pool. As such, the ratio of coins in the first group will not change from the initial ratio in the population, whereas in the second group the probability of a coin will significantly increase. 7782. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 6:09:12 PM I can't remember who initially posed the child gender question. I think it was Dusty or JJ, but as long as we are recycling brainteasers... 7783. Fielding - 3/7/2001 6:09:24 PM BTW, its Marilyn Mach Vos Savant. 7784. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 6:13:31 PM Cal, The odds of you choosing between A and C don't have anything to do with the odds of the $$ being in C. If the money were never in C and always in A, the odds that you'd be right by choosing randomly are still 50-50. But clearly a better strategy would be possible. 7785. Dusty - 3/7/2001 6:14:14 PM Is this a joke? I don't get it. 7786. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 6:18:57 PM You bet the other kid is a girl, yes? 7787. JJBiener - 3/7/2001 6:24:50 PM Jamie - Yes. Use the same technique I used earlier. List the possibilities. 7788. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 6:24:54 PM Gotta go get the kidlet. It's been fun. 7789. Stephanie D. - 3/7/2001 6:34:01 PM You should guess a boy, because a woman who has had one boy already is likely to have a second. 7790. CalGal - 3/7/2001 6:34:22 PM See, that kind of shit just hurts my brain. 7791. Dusty - 3/7/2001 6:44:40 PM et me try this as an attempt to explain the puzzle. 7792. Dusty - 3/7/2001 6:45:02 PM Continued 7793. Dusty - 3/7/2001 6:46:07 PM Damn, wish we could edit. That first post should start with "Let" not "et" 7794. CalGal - 3/7/2001 6:58:15 PM Dusty, 7795. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:01:13 PM Okay, I haven't read any posts since I left. AFter managing to drive home safely with my head spinning, I still think I'm right and Jamie, JJ, Indy, Rask and Fielding (if I understand their position) are wrong. There is no advantage to be gained by switching from your original choice to the box the magician has left you as the alternative, whether you start with 3 boxes or 100, or any number. 7796. Dusty - 3/7/2001 7:04:39 PM OhioSTOPAS 7797. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:09:37 PM Here's an example which I think demonstrates my position and its correctness: 7798. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:14:13 PM This does not mean that there is now a 50% chance that the money is in box A. I described it as "50-50" between box A and C and that is inaccurate in that the odds of each are 1/3, not 1/2. 7799. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:16:30 PM Same thing if there's 100 boxes. When the magician removes 98, there are two remaining boxes, each with equal odds of 1%. There were 100 possibilities where the money could be at the start of the game; by removing 98 boxes the magician has gone through 98 of the 100 possibilities. 7800. Dusty - 3/7/2001 7:17:47 PM One other sidelight. It is critical that the magician will open one of the other two boxes no matter what you choose first. This fact is often implicit, rather than explicit. To see that it matters, consider the following: 7801. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:20:05 PM Now I'm going to look upthread and have Dusty explain it all to me. 7802. Dusty - 3/7/2001 7:21:18 PM OhioSTOPAS 7803. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:30:40 PM What I said in 7797 is correct only if the rules of the game require the magician to open an empty box and make me the offer regardless of whether I've picked the right box or not. 7804. Dusty - 3/7/2001 7:33:38 PM I'd pay the extra $100. 7805. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:38:56 PM Given my stipulation in 7803, that can't be right. 7806. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 7:41:33 PM I'm off to scratch my head some more. 7807. Dusty - 3/7/2001 7:43:43 PM I'll try it again with numbered steps: 7808. Dusty - 3/7/2001 7:44:01 PM continued 7809. Dusty - 3/7/2001 7:46:09 PM I've probably gone through more detail than necessary, but if at some point you disagree, then we can figure out why. 7810. CalGal - 3/7/2001 8:06:02 PM You know what amuses me? I realize what you are saying, Dusty, but to me your walkthrough makes me think that I really shouldn't take the offer of two boxes in the first place. 7811. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 8:15:19 PM Going back to the gender puzzle in Message # 7780 and JJ's answer in Message # 7787, I think there's an inconsistency. The friend says "one of my children is a boy", meaning that at least one is a boy, but then the question presented is "what sex is the OTHER child". Once you've identified one so that the other is the "other child", isn't the odds of the "other child" being a boy or girl going to be 50-50? 7812. CalGal - 3/7/2001 8:18:31 PM Ohio, 7813. Dusty - 3/7/2001 8:29:09 PM CalGal 7814. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 8:30:04 PM Dusty: In 7807-08, I think your example breaks down in step 15. Once the magician has looked at B and C, picked one that is empty (as at least one must be), displayed it as empty, and discarded it, I think the value of B+C has been reduced. 7815. Dusty - 3/7/2001 8:30:18 PM OhioSTOPAS 7816. CalGal - 3/7/2001 8:31:21 PM I think your example breaks down in step 15. Once the magician has looked at B and C, picked one that is empty (as at least one must be), displayed it as empty, and discarded it, I think the value of B+C has been reduced. 7817. Dusty - 3/7/2001 8:33:35 PM OhioSTOPAS 7818. Dusty - 3/7/2001 8:36:36 PM OhioSTOPAS 7819. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 8:36:41 PM "I just flipped two coins. One of them is heads. Is the other one heads or tails?" 7820. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 8:37:45 PM Okay, Dusty. Hope you can break away from your paper to catch UConn beating Syracuse! 7821. CalGal - 3/7/2001 8:37:56 PM Dusty, 7822. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 8:50:29 PM When I first read the three-box problem, my reaction was that the odds of any one box being the "winning box" is equal (1/3). The fact that the magician inevitably will be able to find an empty box among the two I didn't choose, and take it away, doesn't change anything. 7823. OhioSTOPAS - 3/7/2001 8:56:51 PM Now that I have elegantly stated the paradox, the explanation is obvious . .. . or maybe not. 7824. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 8:59:14 PM ""I just flipped two coins. One of them is heads. Is the other one heads or tails?" 7825. Raskolnikov - 3/7/2001 9:01:16 PM Dusty's step by step explanation was pretty damned good. 7826. Jamie R - 3/7/2001 11:43:27 PM Okay, here's a trick a friend of mine did. He had his girlfriend place a random number of coins on a table (the number doesn't matter.) He looked at the coins for a few moments and then walked away. The rule is, his girlfriend gets to turn over as many coins as she wants as many times as she wants (the same coin multiple times if desired) but she must say "turn" everytime she does so, and only when she does so. After she's done turning coins, she covers one up with her thumb. My friend then walks back, looks at the (now changed) coins, and guesses whether the covered coin is a head or a tail. He never misses. How? (This is a cute trick to do for kids, I think. It mostly irritated his girlfriend.) 7827. SnowOwl - 3/8/2001 1:05:07 AM Just count the number of heads on the table originally. Count the number of times "turn" is said. If the number of times "turn" is said is odd then that reverses the parity of the count. If the number is even, parity remains the same. 7828. Stumbo - 3/8/2001 1:12:41 AM Have I (or anyone else) ever brought up the two-envelopes paradox, here? 7829. SnowOwl - 3/8/2001 1:14:57 AM To do the trick: 7830. SnowOwl - 3/8/2001 1:16:51 AM Hah Stumbo, I was about to post that. It's a classic. 7831. Stumbo - 3/8/2001 1:43:46 AM Snow: 7832. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 2:32:39 AM 7833. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 2:41:36 AM 7834. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 2:44:40 AM 25) Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles… 7835. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 6:24:24 AM I concede! 7836. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 6:28:54 AM Here's a way I'm looking at it to get it through my thick skull: 7837. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 6:38:13 AM So my first paragraph in Message # 7822 is wrong, although I'm still not sure why. 7838. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 6:39:38 AM And now, humbled, I will slink away. 7839. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 8:27:06 AM Ace: I think the lyric is "Wondering what in the world did I do?" 7840. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 8:28:29 AM (I knew 19 was Prince, but I couldn't think of the song.) 7841. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 8:48:43 AM Snowowl's solution is the easiest way to solve the problem, but perhaps the reason this works is clearer if you think in terms of a light switch and heads representing flipping the switch. 7842. Dusty - 3/8/2001 9:12:00 AM OhioSTOPAS 7843. Dusty - 3/8/2001 9:20:20 AM Stumbo 7844. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 9:38:08 AM Dusty: My optomisitic prediction that UConn would beat Syracuse was, sadly, one MORE incorrect statement I made in this thread yesterday. 7845. Dusty - 3/8/2001 10:58:50 AM Three people in my office made predictions about the game yesterday. 7846. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:01:41 AM 7847. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:05:33 AM 7848. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:06:22 AM Ace: read Dusty's explanation upthread and state which logical step you disagree with. That will make any discussion easier. 7849. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:08:28 AM Ace: You recognize that whatever box you pick, the magician will be able to open an empty box (among the other two - your selected box is exempted from being open) to show you, yes? 7850. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 11:15:53 AM What is pictured below? 7851. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:18:09 AM But, to all remaining doubters, this is a very easy experiment to duplicate. Duplicate it, and track the results. Just make sure that you understand the rules under which the magician operates: 7852. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:19:37 AM Rask, 7853. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:22:15 AM 7854. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 11:28:09 AM Ace: I think what makes the difference is that the opened box was not opened randomly, but by a person having knowledge of the correct box. 7855. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:29:29 AM 7856. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:31:30 AM 7857. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:31:40 AM "If the odds can change due to changes in the game -- such as boxes being discarded -- why do insist on attributing all those changes to the box I didn't pick, rather than divvy the odds-changes up between ALL boxes? " 7858. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 11:32:07 AM Ace: My conclusion yesterday was the same as yours, although I was persuaded by Dusty's elaboration (summarized in the second paragraph of my Message # 7822) when I finally had to conclude there was no flaw in it. 7859. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:34:18 AM But Ace, don't you recognize that a person who knows where the bullet is can *always* find 998 guns that have empty chambers, no matter which gun you initially choose? 7860. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:35:59 AM I'll repeat. Walk through Dusty's explanation and explain whbich logical step you disagree with. 7861. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:36:40 AM 7862. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 11:38:34 AM Maybe this is how to look at it (we'll call box B the one that is shown to be empty and is removed): The chances of C being EMPTY are reduced because it has been examined and was not revmoved. However, there is not a comparable reduction in the chances of A being empty, since A, unlike C, has not examined by the magician and passed over. 7863. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:38:58 AM 7864. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 11:39:18 AM . . . A, unlike C, has not BEEN examined . . . 7865. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 11:40:49 AM "revmoved"? I can't do probability OR typing. 7866. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:40:50 AM 7867. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:41:44 AM "Yes, I recognize that. I will continue recognizing it. There is no need 7868. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:50:57 AM Here's a way to think about it, which actually tends to prove the Dusty/Rask position. But I'll offer it anyway, because I'm that kind of guy. 7869. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:51:26 AM Think that part through. If you choose gun #3, I can find 998 empty guns to show you. If you choose gun #787, same thing. This is because I know which gun has the bullet. Yet you effectively are saying that whatever gun you pick out of 1000 has a 1 in 2 chance of having the bullet. 7870. Fielding - 3/8/2001 11:52:12 AM Ace: 7871. Stephanie D. - 3/8/2001 11:52:27 AM Indiana Jones #7850: Some kind of tissue sample? 7872. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:52:49 AM 7873. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:53:53 AM Ace: I think you are getting it. Probabilities are not equal when there is non-random selection. 7874. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 11:54:09 AM Maybe it's a picture of Indy. In EXTREME closeup. 7875. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:55:06 AM "And, therefore, since my initial chance of being right remains constant 7876. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:55:37 AM 7877. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 11:56:13 AM How about this for a game, Ace? We'll play it 10 times. 7878. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:56:45 AM Don't blame the messenger. 7879. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:57:25 AM 7880. Raskolnikov - 3/8/2001 11:57:30 AM "I always *did* get it, in the sense that I heard the "answer" and 7881. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 11:57:56 AM 7882. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 11:59:28 AM (Psst, Ohio. BTW, I'm going to split my winnings with you. So make sure Ace is wrong every time.) 7883. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 12:01:46 PM Stephanie: Possibly you could call it that, but there's a simpler answer. 7884. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 12:02:25 PM (Sorry, Ace is giving me 60% to slip HIM the right answer.) 7885. OhioSTOPAS - 3/8/2001 12:02:50 PM (I think I like this game.) 7886. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 12:05:25 PM 7887. AceofSpades - 3/8/2001 12:08:09 PM 7888. Indiana Jones - 3/8/2001 12:28:24 PM Ace: 7889. JJBiener - 3/8/2001 12:39:39 PM Ace - If you don't trust Ohio, I will do the honors. I can even email the problems to a third party before we play. 7890. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 3:50:48 AM good ol' Monty Hall...nothing like a little oppressive math; provided that you accept a couple intuitive definitions it can't be any other way. 7891. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 3:52:36 AM Let "$ blah" be the event that the money's behind door blah. Let "Sh B" be the event that you're shown what's behind door B. Then putting the last 2 paragraphs of prev. post together we have: 7892. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 3:56:42 AM Since that was so much fun here's another, maybe simpler: 7893. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 4:03:41 AM if the technical mumbo jumbo about Monty Hall is considered too far afield then we can take it up in the slow thread. 7894. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 11:46:31 AM Here is another little paradoxical puzzle. A game theorist friend once told it to me, so it is possible that Slack has told this one before, and I missed it. 7895. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 11:56:07 AM I'll also mention again that the results are cumulative. If you get three heads in a row, for instance, you get 2+4+8=14 dollars. 7896. CalGal - 3/9/2001 12:28:58 PM Since P(A|B) = P(A and B)/P(B), and P(B|A) = P(B and A)/P(A), rearrange P(B|A) to get P(B and A) = P(B|A)P(A). 7897. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 1:10:27 PM It looks worse than it is. That part just says 7898. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:21:07 PM 7899. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:22:09 PM That's right. Any time you see a P(), no matter what's inside it, just treat it as a number, same as you do for x in an algebra equation. 7900. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:23:01 PM 7899 is to Jamie R's post. Ace's post is not right. 7901. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:24:37 PM (well, if Ace wants to pay $1 to play it, it can't be wrong.) 7902. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:26:02 PM I guess it's no secret since Rask said it -- the expected value of the game is infinity. Getting out to 10 coin tosses is unlikely, but the payoff if you do exactly cancels the probability of it happening. So you just add up infinitely many 1's. 7903. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 1:27:07 PM I get EV two tosses as $1.50. 7904. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:28:50 PM 7905. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:31:25 PM 7906. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 1:32:04 PM Whoops, you're right Ace, I didn't catch that it was cumulative. 7907. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:32:12 PM Ace: no, the tosses pay off cumulatively. For your second head, you get $4, but you still get the $2 for the first head. 7908. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:33:19 PM Ace: you should be adding up each EV, getting a string of 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1... up to infinity. 7909. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:35:30 PM the expected value of agreeing to play the game again conditional on getting to any one toss is not $1, because of what happens in the .5 probability case that the coin on the next toss is heads. 7910. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:39:50 PM I knew Slack would know more about this than I did, but I thought it was kind of interesting given the puzzles we were playing with over the last few days. 7911. CalGal - 3/9/2001 1:39:59 PM So the trick in that one is that you are risk neutral? What is the real world response, then? Or is that not interesting? 7912. CalGal - 3/9/2001 1:40:45 PM Crosspost. 7913. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:44:15 PM That's interesting Rask. I've heard of real decision makers willing to go as high as ~$30 or so. I've only seen it a couple times but most offer to pay less than $10. 7914. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 1:46:53 PM You are theoretically willing to risk infinity for something that you have a 50% chance of getting no return (tails on the first flip). 7915. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:48:32 PM Well, I haven't checked the math on the $43 figure , and I am still assuming risk neutrality. 7916. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:49:22 PM 7917. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:49:52 PM EV, and more to the point probability, does not have to describe many trials or long run frequency. In fact it really shouldn't though that is the most common notion. You can also think of probability as willingness to bet. That is the only notion of probability that allows us to make sense of a statement like "what's the probability that Honduras has more people than Costa Rica?". 7918. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:49:57 PM Jamie: fair point. But assume that you can play the game only once. You still have an EV of infinity even though you have a 50% of getting nothing on the first toss. 7919. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:50:45 PM "I think my calculation would have worked IF the game took away all 7920. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:51:40 PM 7921. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:51:52 PM Does marginal utility ever factor into this stuff? For instance, the benefit to me of $1 trillion in preference to $1 million, isn't 100,000x 7922. CalGal - 3/9/2001 1:51:55 PM I should stay away from this thread if y'all are going hurt my head. 7923. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:52:20 PM 7924. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:53:50 PM Say there are 2 possible events A and B. You asked how much you will pay for the gamble of winning $1 if A occurs and $0 if B occurs. By definition the probability of A is the amount you are willing to pay to take the bet. No long run frequency required. 7925. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:54:00 PM Slack: Ok, thanks. 7926. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:54:19 PM 7927. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 1:55:13 PM 7928. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 1:55:35 PM As I recall, most $1 lottery tickets in state lotteries have an EV in the neighborhood of 60 cents. Which is why they are used for fundraising. 7929. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 1:55:37 PM mathematician is going to have to make a mathematically-unprovable assumption about how that function operates. 7930. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 2:02:12 PM 7931. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 2:06:45 PM 7932. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 2:07:13 PM Jamie: fair point. But assume that you can play the game only once. You still have an EV of infinity even though you have a 50% of getting nothing on the first toss. 7933. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 2:12:43 PM 7934. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 2:16:04 PM Yup. It's an unfortunate term, IMO. 7935. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 2:17:59 PM 7936. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 2:18:37 PM But on the other hand, it's probably responsible for less hostility than the language that one infinity can be "bigger" than another. I have a couple of friends who reflexively distrust mathematicians on that score alone. 7937. AceofSpades - 3/9/2001 2:20:14 PM I have no problem with that. Not it-- double not it -- infinity not it --double infinity not it -- infinity squared not it. 7938. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 2:23:18 PM Infinity factorial. 7939. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 2:30:21 PM Heads mean you win $2, then every subsequent heads means you double your winnings. 7940. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 2:32:54 PM infinities don't get ranked in that sense, or in the sense that 1 is less than 2. 2 infinity is still just infinity. 7941. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 2:35:57 PM Well, "more" is a little imprecise still. "Is it possible to construct a bijective mapping blah blah blah..." 7942. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 2:41:07 PM Ordinal types are even more fascinating, although it's not something I've done much with. (Hm, that pretty much describes any part of math you care to name, I guess. Oh well.) I love the idea of orderings like 1 < 3 < 5 < 7... < 2 < 4 < 6... I assume there's alot of topology involved in classifying possible types. Anyone know for sure? 7943. Slackjaw - 3/9/2001 3:05:38 PM the answer to the gripping archer problem in Message # 7892: 7944. Raskolnikov - 3/9/2001 3:45:18 PM "Are there more numbers between [0,1] than there are positive integers? That's the sense in which there are multiple infinities." 7945. Jamie R - 3/9/2001 4:33:19 PM Ha. A sensible response. I have a friend who doesn't believe anything but positive rationals are "really" numbers. I think that's tedious semantics. He thinks it's indicative of how full of shit math people are. We don't make much progress with that one. 7946. seadate - 3/9/2001 4:59:30 PM It took me 26 years to wrap my head around infinity, and I was damned if he was going to muddle it up again. 7947. dusty - 3/11/2001 2:07:20 PM Message # 7892 Slackjaw 7948. Indiana Jones - 3/12/2001 1:38:27 AM The answer to post #7850: 7949. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 1:21:09 PM (This isn't original; I'll name the source when we're done.) 7950. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 1:25:44 PM I'm totally fucking stumped, Stumbo. I don't recognize a single phrase. 7951. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 1:53:19 PM Ace: 7952. ScottLoar - 3/12/2001 2:33:01 PM Well, one certain answer is the same mind associated the phrases together. 7953. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 2:46:36 PM Stumbo: I believe they are all answers to questions in song lyrics. 7954. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 2:46:59 PM 4. "Is that all there is?" 7955. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 2:47:21 PM 10. "Who let the dogs out?" 7956. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 2:47:58 PM 8. "Should I stay or should I go?" (The Clash) 7957. CalGal - 3/12/2001 2:48:25 PM Oh, that's it. I had gotten as far as "ridiculous answers to a question", but I had it in mind that it had to be the same question. I'd thought of the SSB for 9. 7958. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 2:48:39 PM Could 1 be "Why don't we do it in the road?" (The Beatles)? 7959. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 2:52:09 PM Ohio: correct on all, so far. 7960. Laura C - 3/12/2001 2:53:12 PM 6 - Will the real Slim Shady please stand up? 7961. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 2:54:58 PM Laura: correct as well. 7962. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 4:32:34 PM Good quiz, Stumbo! 7963. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 4:41:47 PM 1) "Why don't we do it in the road?" 7964. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 4:42:39 PM 7965. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 4:44:04 PM 7966. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 4:55:50 PM 7967. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 4:57:27 PM 7968. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 4:58:43 PM Or it could be the theme from a 1990's thriller starring David Caruso and Linda Fiorentino. 7969. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 5:32:42 PM Ohio: 7970. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 5:41:38 PM 7971. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 5:41:41 PM 7972. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 5:42:04 PM Ohio: 7973. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 5:42:06 PM Yeah, "Do you wanna dance" didn't seem quite right, but I can't think of a song lyric that asks something like "Can I dance with you" or "Can you teach me how to dance". 7974. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 6:05:11 PM Ace: 7975. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 6:05:52 PM Ohio: 7976. AceofSpades - 3/12/2001 6:28:10 PM 1) What's the Theme of the following list of celebrities? 7977. Fielding - 3/12/2001 9:37:04 PM I can think of a few songs that mention these folks: 7978. OhioSTOPAS - 3/12/2001 10:09:48 PM Good work, Fielding! 7979. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 10:30:46 PM Damn. That was one of my theories, too, but I only had 3 examples: Bela Lugosi's Dead (Bauhaus); Garbo: Right Before Your Eyes (America); Brenner: One Night In Bangkok (from Chess). 7980. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 10:34:08 PM BTW, I had forgotten all about GeoCities' new policy when I posted the link in #7974. It can, instead, be accessed from here. 7981. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 10:38:18 PM Last hint on #2 from my quiz: 7982. joezan - 3/12/2001 11:03:23 PM American Pie. 7983. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 11:25:26 PM JoeZ: correct. 7984. Stumbo - 3/12/2001 11:36:16 PM For the record, I stole that quiz from this year's MIT Mystery Hunt. The site contains a shitload more puzzles of various kinds, including two excellent cryptic crosswords. 7985. SnowOwl - 3/13/2001 12:41:01 AM Chasey Lain The Ballad of Chasey Lain,, The Bloodhound Gang 7986. Stumbo - 3/13/2001 1:27:42 AM Er, make that "Brynner," above. 7987. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 10:00:29 AM 7988. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 10:34:09 AM 7989. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 10:45:55 AM 7990. Fielding - 3/13/2001 11:02:33 AM I have a puzzle. It is something that has bothered me for years. 7991. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 11:09:35 AM "Why do they pick four somewhat obscure dead celebrities that have nothing in common except their initials? " 7992. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 11:52:49 AM 7993. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:02:46 PM 7994. Fielding - 3/13/2001 12:07:29 PM Lester Bangs died in 1982. I don't know when that song was written, but it was released many years after Lester Bangs died. 7995. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:08:47 PM 7996. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:09:01 PM 7997. Fielding - 3/13/2001 12:12:16 PM Cream. He is played by Philip Seymour Hoffman in Almost Famous 7998. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:14:00 PM 7999. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:14:14 PM 8000. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:14:22 PM now 8001. Fielding - 3/13/2001 12:14:24 PM Ace: 8002. CalGal - 3/13/2001 12:14:41 PM I'm not sure I'd recognize all of them as bands, much less know what they have in common. 8003. CalGal - 3/13/2001 12:15:08 PM Rats. The only reason I posted was to see if I could snag the millennial. 8004. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:15:50 PM 8005. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:18:12 PM 8006. Fielding - 3/13/2001 12:19:22 PM Nice snag, Ace. Now I'm back to work. 8007. Shannon - 3/13/2001 12:19:25 PM Leonard Bernstein died in 1990, BTW. 8008. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:28:32 PM 8009. OhioSTOPAS - 3/13/2001 12:34:09 PM Wild guess on Ace's quiz: 8010. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:37:01 PM 8011. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:37:33 PM 8012. Dusty - 3/13/2001 12:38:11 PM They all use drums? 8013. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:38:58 PM 8014. seadate - 3/13/2001 12:39:26 PM "Superman, Superman, wish I could fly like superman" - not the kinks? 8015. OhioSTOPAS - 3/13/2001 12:41:08 PM Yes, that's the Kinks. They did that song around 1980. 8016. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:43:34 PM 8017. OhioSTOPAS - 3/13/2001 12:45:52 PM For the Kinks, you could also say Flash ("Preservation"). 8018. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:46:27 PM 8019. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:48:04 PM 8020. seadate - 3/13/2001 12:50:27 PM Queen - Flash Gordon 8021. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:50:49 PM 8022. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 12:51:19 PM 8023. OhioSTOPAS - 3/13/2001 12:52:43 PM Is Seadate a superhero? 8024. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 1:09:42 PM Everclear -- ? 8025. Shannon - 3/13/2001 1:19:55 PM REM has a song called Superman. 8026. DocBrown - 3/13/2001 3:13:16 PM "I am Superman" was used in a commercial. 8027. DocBrown - 3/13/2001 3:27:52 PM The presidents of the United States of America recorded "Cleveland Rocks" for The Drew Carey Show, and Superman was created in Cleveland by Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster. That's gotta be it, right? 8028. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 4:12:05 PM 8029. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 4:16:42 PM 8030. seadate - 3/13/2001 4:22:18 PM Prince did a Batman Theme. 8031. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 4:23:59 PM Thank god! Yes, Prince did the whole Batman soundtrack. 8032. AceofSpades - 3/13/2001 4:31:29 PM 8033. OhioSTOPAS - 3/13/2001 5:28:14 PM If the quizmaster weren't so modest, he would have included Motorhead. 8034. arkymalarky - 3/13/2001 8:04:06 PM I love "Godzilla"--the song. 8035. Fielding - 3/13/2001 8:27:44 PM "Is Seadate a superhero? 8036. Wombat - 3/14/2001 8:21:44 AM The Kinks also played the Batman theme in their "Live at the Kelvin Hall" (1966) album. They also did a song called "King Kong." 8037. Indiana Jones - 3/18/2001 10:54:12 AM Astronomy quiz. Identify the significance of the following (no cheating!): 8038. vw - 3/18/2001 11:34:37 AM (1) Puck - One of Uranus' moons
If not,
5 (number of letters in numbers as you count)
You are doubly right. Your answer is correct and it had been answered. Sorry.
The only one left with my name in it is 10. The answer is O for oxygen and the pattern is first letters of element symbols increasing from the atomic number 1.
Is it a series of pars on some golf course?
8) 4447. IrvingSnodgrass - 2/10/2000 2:22:38 AM
8) 4 (since there are already two par 5s and two par 3s, it has to be a par 4.)
Angel-5 is right on #10
Status
Answered 1,2,3,4,6,9
Open 5,7
Yeah, we figured that out. I moved those posts to your thread, where all the ensuing tests took place as well.
Is #8 supposed to be Pebble Beach? I'm only familiar with the back nine there.
Yes Here
#7 is the only one open. It is arguably obscure, although I think Angel-five could get it.
Here's a cryptic hint: 1000,2000,3000,4000,...
Surely someone has suggested 37 by now?
One possible pattern is: four primes, skip 1, three primes, skip 2, two primes, skip 3 . . . in this case the next number is 37.
Original clue: 2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,_
My interest is more in big mountains. I was part of the 1993 American expedition to Shishapangma reaching a high point of 7.3 K meters.
Check the cafe. I'm soliciting links and CG suggested a table of yours.
Anyway, I'll guess the orginal short story "The Fly." I think it came out in the 50s and was by somebody name George Langley, or Langford, something like that.
1. Bechuanaland
2. Blantyre
3. East London
4. Gold Coast
5. Leopoldville
6. Lourenco Marques
7. North Rhodesia
8. Nyasaland
9. Rio de Oro
10. Salisbury
4. Ghana
5. Kinshasa
7. Zimbabwe
8. Zambia
4. Ghana
5. Kinshasa
6. Maputo
4-6 to Cartman
Current standings:
1. Bechuanaland (Botswana, SnowOwl)
2. Blantyre
3. East London
4. Gold Coast (Ghana, Cartman)
5. Leopoldville (Kinshasa, Cartman)
6. Lourenco Marques (Maputo, Cartman)
7. North Rhodesia (Zambia, Cartman)
8. Nyasaland (Malawi, Cartman)
9. Rio de Oro
10. Salisbury
9. Western Sahara
10. Zimbabwe?
3 too, because it is a trick question. East London (South Africa, south of Durban) is still East London.
This leaves Blantyre.
I was worried it might be too obscure, but I thought my second hint would help. The sequence 1000,2000,3000... has an obvious order, but the terms are also fondly known as millennials here and in the prior place. I decided to spoof the millennial grabbing hysteria, so I looked for another sequence, with the characteristic of having a frequency in the same order of magnitude. Primes are too common, but a special type of primes occurred with roughly the frequency I wanted.
I was participating in GIMPS at the time, so Mersenne Primes seemed like a good choice. (Technically, I am referring to the exponent, the value P in the expression 2P-1)
I congratulated a number of people on achieving Mersennial posts for some time, but I don't recall whether you were actively posting at the time.
Good guess. If The Fly was written in the 50's it would be several years after the "serious" introduction that I have in mind. I'll let this hang for a couple of days and then give the answer.
A Mersenne prime is a prime that can be written in the form 2P-1.
Let P=2
Then 2P-1 is 22-1 which is 4-1=3. Three is a prime, and is called a Mersenne Prime.
Let P=3
Then 2P-1 is 23-1 which is 8-1=7.
Seven is a prime, and is called a Mersenne Prime.
Let P=4
Then 2P-1 is 24-1 which is 16-1=15.
Fifteen is not a prime.
Let P=5
Then 2P-1 is 25-1 which is 32-1=31.
31 is a prime, and is called a Mersenne Prime.
Continue with higher values of P. Someone noticed that the expression 2P-1 seemed to be prime when P was prime, and not otherwise, and they conjected that this might be true. However, it breaks down for p=11. 211-1 is 2048-1=2047, but this is not prime, because it equals 23 times 89.
Marin Mersenne wrote a book on math in which he discussed the values of P for which the expression is a prime number. Despite the fact that his list was wrong (he missed 261-1 which is prime), his name has been associated with this special class of prime numbers.
It is getting harder and harder to find larger Mersenne Primes. Recently, 26972593-1 was found to be prime. This was found by a computer program parceled out to thousands of volunteers, each of whom check a number of possibilities.
The largest known primes tend to be Mersenne Primes.
Btw, if 2P-1 does not always yield primes, and if it fails to yield primes when P is prime, why are Mersenne Primes considered useful (or beautiful) enough to be particularly denominated?
No, after 31 is 61.
Btw, if 2P-1 does not always yield primes, and if it fails to yield primes when P is prime, why are Mersenne Primes considered useful (or beautiful) enough to be particularly denominated?
Good question, one I don't know OTTOMH. I'll do some homework.
2. Perfect Numbers and a Few Theorems
Many ancient cultures were concerned with the relationship of a number with the sum of its divisors, often giving mystic interpretations. Here we are concerned only with one such relationship:
Definition: A positive integer n is called a perfect number if it is equal to the sum of all of its positive divisors, excluding n itself.
For example, 6 is the first perfect number because 6=1+2+3. The next is 28=1+2+4+7+14. The next two are 496 and 8128. These four were all known before the time of Christ. Look at these numbers in the following partially factored form:
2.3, 4.7, 16.31, 64.127.
Do you notice they all have the same form 2n-1(2n-1) (for n = 2, 3, 5, and 7 respectively)? And that in each case 2n-1 was a Mersenne prime? In fact it is easy to show the following theorems:
Theorem One: k is an even perfect number if and only if it has the form 2n-1(2n-1) and 2n-1 is prime. [Proof.]
Theorem Two: If 2n-1 is prime, then so is n. [Proof.]
So the search for Mersennes is also the search for even perfect numbers!
[emphasis added]
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2 to the 5 - 1 [how does one do superscript here?] = 32-1 = 31.
2 to the 6 - 1 = 64-1 = 63 (= 3 x 21) ...no?
(and if so, 2 to the 7 - 1 = 128-1 = 127)
Neato!
76(sup)7(/sup)
Change round brackets to angled ones.
Sorry, I was a bit sloppy in terminology. The sequence I gave (2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,_) is not the Mersenne primes themselves, but the values of P. The first Mersenne Prime is not 2, but 22-1 or 3.
The second Mersenne Prime has a exponent of 3. It is 23-1 or 7.
The eighth Mersenne Prime (the last one displayed in my list) has an exponent of 31. It is 231-1 or 2,147,483,647.
The next value in the sequence is the exponent of the ninth Mersenne prime, which is 61. The actual Mersenne Prime has 19 digits, and I can't show its value. (Goes beyond the precision of Excel, and i don't have any large precision math software handy.)
I have a bad habit of referring to the value of P as the Mersenne Prime, when it is, in fact, the exponent in the expression.
Ah. Thank you.
Are you guys also interested in logic puzzles? If so, I've got a few pretty good ones that I've accumulated over the years. One of the better ones follows -- I'm confident this crowd can handle it. Apologies if someone has already posted it.
Consider:
On an airplane, Stein, Robertson, and Gregg are the pilot, navigator, and flight engineer but not respectively. Also onboard are three Silicon Valley executives who have the same names: a Mr. Stein, a Mr. Robinson, and a Mr. Gregg.
1. Mr. Robertson lives in Detroit.
2. The navigator lives exactly halfway between Chicago and Detroit.
3. Mr. Gregg earns exactly $70,000 a year.
4. The navigator's nearest neighbor, one of the executives, earns exactly three times as much as the navigator.
5. Stein's team routinely beats the pilot's team at volleyball.
6. The executive whose name is the same as the navigator's lives in Chicago.
Who Is The Flight Engineer?
Consider:
On an airplane, Stein, Robertson, and Gregg are the pilot, navigator, and flight engineer but not respectively. Also onboard are three Silicon Valley executives who have the same names: a Mr. Stein, a Mr. Robertson, and a Mr. Gregg.
1. Mr. Robertson lives in Detroit.
2. The navigator lives exactly halfway between Chicago and Detroit.
3. Mr. Gregg earns exactly $70,000 a year.
4. The navigator's nearest neighbor, one of the executives, earns exactly three times as much as the navigator.
5. Stein's team routinely beats the pilot's team at volleyball.
6. The executive whose name is the same as the navigator's lives in Chicago.
Who Is The Flight Engineer?
Consider:
On an airplane, Stein, Robertson, and Gregg are the pilot, navigator, and flight engineer but not respectively. Also onboard are three Silicon Valley executives who have the same names: a Mr. Stein, a Mr. Robertson, and a Mr. Gregg.
1. Mr. Robertson lives in Detroit.
2. The navigator lives exactly halfway between Chicago and Detroit.
3. Mr. Gregg earns exactly $70,000 a year.
4. The navigator's nearest neighbor, one of the executives, earns exactly three times as much as the navigator.
5. Stein's team routinely beats the pilot's team at volleyball.
6. The executive whose name is the same as the navigator's lives in Chicago.
Who Is The Flight Engineer?
Consider:
On an airplane, Stein, Robertson, and Gregg are the pilot, navigator, and flight engineer but not respectively. Also onboard are three Silicon Valley executives who have the same names: a Mr. Stein, a Mr. Robertson, and a Mr. Gregg.
1. Mr. Robertson lives in Detroit.
2. The navigator lives exactly halfway between Chicago and Detroit.
3. Mr. Gregg earns exactly $70,000 a year.
4. The navigator's nearest neighbor, one of the executives, earns exactly three times as much as the navigator.
5. Stein's team routinely beats the pilot's team at volleyball.
6. The executive whose name is the same as the navigator's lives in Chicago.
Who Is The Flight Engineer?
BTW, it's a bit slow tonight, so don't imagine anyone is ignoring you.
And welcome to the Mote!
Gregg makes exactly 70 grand a year, which isn't divisible by 3, so it isn't Gregg. Therefore it's Stein who lives closest by and Gregg who lives in Chicago. Gregg is therefore the navigator's name.
We know that Stein is not the pilot and now we know that he isn't the navigator, so he has to be the flight engineer.
AytchMan, please give us more logic problems. They are always an enjoyable exercise.
To read A5's answer, simply highlight the hidden text.
1. How many well known satellites does Jupiter have?
2. Name 3 of them.
3. How many satellites does Uranus have?
4. Name 3 of them.
5. Name the partner of Pluto. (6)
6. Name the bright double star in the constellation Orion. (5)
7. What is one who is born under the sign of Cancer called? (9)
8. Name the first woman to orbit the earth. (10)
1
2. Ganymede, Io, and arggggggghhhh.
1. How many well known satellites does Jupiter have? Four
2. Name 3 of them. Ganymede, Europa, Io
3. How many satellites does Uranus have? hmmmm... a toughie. Five?
5. Name the partner of Pluto. (6) Charon
7. What is one who is born under the sign of Cancer called? (9) Moon child
8. Name the first woman to orbit the earth. (10) Lenya something.
6. Name the bright double star in the constellation Orion. (5) --
Sirius?
major and minor
or... hmmm... five letters?
Ceres?
4. Oh, it's from Shakespeare. Oberon, Puck, Miranda?
7 is Moonchild, Ace got it right.
1 Yes, Jupiter has 16.
2 You eventually got 3, including Callisto.
Ace
1. It is 16 as CalGal said.
2. Good, those 3 are right.
3. Wrong.
5. Good.
7. Good.
CalGal and Ace
Re #8, I don't know her first name.
Prof:
You asked, in number one, how many WELL KNOWN satellites Jupiter has. This is ambiguous, of course, but the best answer is four-- the four Gallilean satellites whose names have been known since the 1500's.
Wrong on #6.
CalGal
3 Right, 15
4 Good; how did you get those three?
Jupiter's satellite count goes over twenty, depending on who's doing the counting, and what you define as a "satellite" and what you define as a "clump of orbital ice."
You are getting close on #8. Those 5 letters are right.
On #1 you are right. I should have said KNOWN, not WELL known.
If your point is valid, the answer should be at least 16. 16 is the answer from the source I took the quiz from.
Do you want some more quizzes from that source?
Prof:
Yes, I'd like more questions.
As for the answer about 16 satellites-- it appears to be accurate. I just checked.
However, I *thought* they'd discovered even more satellites in the eighties. Apparently not, though. Or perhaps not permanent satellites, just pieces of rock which circled Jupiter for a period but didn't have the momentum to stay in orbit (and crashed into the planet).
A combo of guessing and distant memories. I remember that Uranus satellites are all Shakespeare characters. I knew there were some from Midsummer Night's Dream--and I'm ashamed to say that on the spur of the moment, Oberon and Puck were the only ones I could manage. So then I went on to the person who said "brave new world", figuring she was in there somewhere.
I think you might be confusing Jupiter with Uranus. (Um. Don't say that aloud.) Uranus had a number of satellites discovered recently.
Prof, the quizzes are great.
Reasoning (slightly different than A-5): by (2),(3),(4)If the navigator lives between Chicage and Detroit, and the nearest executive earns exactly three times as much, the nearest neighbor cannot be Mr. Gregg (salary not divisible by 3). Thus, Mr. Gregg does not live between Chicago and Detroit, and must be in one or the other. By (1) Mr Gregg must live in Chicago.
By (6) the navigator must be Gregg.
Consequently Stein is not the navigator.
By (5) Stein is not the pilot, leaving only the flight engineer position for Stein.
Right on.
Good job.
Your answers to the Airplane puzzle are correct. I'll try to post another one in the next day or so. Just out of curiosity, how long did it take you? Some people can get it in as little as five or ten minutes although that's rare. Has anyone ever seen that puzzle (or a variation) before?
As self-appointed Director of Stupid Questions, I'd like to ask:
Where and what is the video button? Is that a Netscape deal or does IE5 have one? What does this say about the public-school education of the guy who just posted a logic puzzle?
Hit this to refresh.
Doh!
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I'm glad you put me slightly off-kilter (diagonal) in your seek and find...
Shakespeare and Alexander Pope.
It took me about 5 minutes. I was a little thrown off because I hadn't come across some of the cluee types before, but I like seeing things done in a new way. I've done logic problems as a hobby for years. Please post more.
1. Another name for the Southern Cross (4).
2. A cluster of stars smaller than a constellation (8).
3. A galactic cluster in the constellation Taurus (8).
4. A bright star in the constellation Gemini (6).
5. The next full moon after Harvest Moon (7).
6. The planet Venus in its appearance as the evening star (8).
7. British astonomer who discovered Uranus (8).
8. Exploding star that suddenly increases its energy output (9).
7. Hershell
8. Supernova?
1. Right
7. Close enough: Herschel
8. Your guess is right
1. Right
7. Close enough: Herschel
8. Your guess is right
3. Pleiades is right
Castor.
4. Both are correct
The European Trip Puzzle (based on a puzzle originally published by Al Perlman).
Consider:
A. Six couples, departing on different flights, took a European tour.
B. The six couples are the Rosens, Quinns, Palmers, Oglethorpes, Newkirks and the Morgans.
C. In no particular order, the wives are Lois, Kate, Jessica, Ingrid, Helen and Glenda.
D. The husbands are Fred, Edward, David, Charles, Bertram and Alan, also in no particular order.
E. The professions of these twelve individuals (in, you guessed it, no particular order) are Photographer, Newspaper Columnist, College Professor, Magazine Editor, High School Principal, Novelist, Professional Golfer, Physician, Television Scriptwriter, Public Relations Director, Fashion Designer and Psychoanalyst.
F. From among six countries -- Denmark, England, France, Italy, Norway and Spain -- each couple visited four and spent exactly one week in each. No two couples visited the same four countries nor spent the same week in any given country.
Part 2 follows.
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1. The first week found Edward in Denmark, the high school principal in England, the fashion designer in France, Ingrid in Italy, the Oglethorpes in Norway and the psychoanalyst in Spain
2. Alan visited England, France, Italy and Spain, not necessarily in that order.
3. Denmark was visited in succession by the photographer, Jessica, Bertram and the college professor.
4. Charles and Helen and the college professor are three of the four people who did not visit England.
5. Glenda was in Norway after the magazine editor had been there but before either the Newkirks or the psychoanalyst.
6. Fred and his wife limited their picture-taking to black-and-white stills; the Rosens shot color slides exclusively; and the magazine editor and spouse took only movies. Ingrid and her husband were the only couple who didn't take at least one camera on the trip.
7. Mr. Palmer and the psychoanalyst and the photographer and Lois all visited Norway, not necessarily in that order. No two were there during the same week.
8. Kate and her husband took both still shots and movies in Denmark. France. Italy and Spain, though they did not necesarily tour the countries in that order.
9. The P.R. director and spouse got a beautiful color shot of Queen Elizabeth leaving Buckingham Palace to address Parliament. The following week, they were so engrossed in further picture-taking that they barely made the flight back to New York.
10. The novelist, golf pro and Fred are three of the four people who did not visit Denmark.
Part 3 follows.
11. The scriptwriter visited Denmark, England, Italy and Norway, though not necessarily in that order.
12. Just before they reached the midpoint of their trip, Helen and her husband finished up the last remaining roll of movie film on the top of the Eiffel Tower, and they had to record the remainder of theitr travels via stills.
13. England was the last counry visited by the novelist and spouse. It had previously been visited, in no particular order, by Mr. Rosen, Glenda and Bertram, all at different times.
14. During the week that the newspaper columnist and spouse were in Norway, Lois was in Denmark and Fred was in Italy.
15. Spain was visited, in no particular order, by Charles, Jessica, Mrs. Morgan and the newspaper columnist, no two of whom were there at the same time.
16. Helen went to Norway the same week that the physician was in France.
17. Mrs. Newkirk and the photographer did not tour Italy.
18. The newspaper columnist, the golf pro and the magazine editor are of the same sex.
19. The novelist and the physician are of the opposite sex.
20. France was the final country on the golf pro's itinerary.
21. The PR director and the high scool principal are of the same sex.
Your mission: match the first and last names of the husbands, match each wife to her husband, name the occupations of all 12 individuals, and name the countries visited by each couple during each of the four weeks.
You have one hour. Your reasoning is not required.
Begin.
I think I'll let someone else do this one.
It's late.
I was working on your puzzle, and thought I had it, but I made a mistake somewhere, so I'll have to start over. Now it's bedtime. I'll give it another try tomorrow.
Give two answers to the question below. First, answer off-the-top-of-your-head within ten seconds. Then, take as long as you want to give a reasoned answer.
The question: Your friend bets even money that you can roll a pair of ordinary dice once and have either a 1 or a 6 come up. Do you take the bet?
off the top of my head: Don't take the bet
realizing this must be a trick question: Take the bet
...1...2...3...4...5...6
1 1,1 1,2 1,3 1,4 1,5 1,6
2 2,1
3
4
5
6
etc.
Unless I've made some gross error, it looks like 20 of the 36 possibilities involve either one or both dice showing a 1 or 6.
Reasoned:
No.
Probability of a 1 or a 6 coming up on one die is 2/6 = 1/3. Therefore the probability of not 1 or 6 coming up on one die is 2/3. Therefore, the probability of not 1 or 6 coming up on both dice is 2/3 x 2/3 = 4/9.
Therefore probability of at least 1 or 6 coming up on either die = 1 - 4/9 = 5/9. Therefore bet has expected value for your friend of 5/9 - 4/9 = 1/9 and expected value for you is -1/9.
A monk who lives at the bottom of a hill in Switzerland decides to visit the wiser monk at the top of the mountain. He sets out from his home at 9 a.m. and starts up the hill. About 1/2 the way up the hill, he stops for about twenty minutes to rest and have a snack. He then continues the rest of his way and arrives at sunset at his destination.
Next morning he sleeps late, due to being tired from his journey, and gets started for the return trip at 10 a.m. Because going down hill is easier than going up hill, he makes it 2/3 of the way down before needing a rest and a snack. He then continues down and makes it home well before sunset.
Question: At any point during the second day is he at the exact same position on the path as he was the previous day at the exact same time. Prove your answer.
Hint: This is a right-brain exercise.
Yes I know that one, it's a good one. Answer below.
Yes. Proof: Do it in one day, with two people. They will obviously met at some point.
Um. Surely he is. He's taking the same path, and all the times and stopping doesn't change that. At any point in the return he's at the same point as on the way up. You didn't say he had to stop at the same place.
Proof? I don't see why it's needed. Which makes me worry that I'm missing the point.
Oh, I see. Yes, he must be. Suppose someone were to leave at 9 from his starting point. The two travellers would meet up, which would prove it.
Answer to Dice Problem: Don't take the bet. As you all calculated, the chances are 5/9 that you will make a winning roll. Since your friend bet that you would, don't take the bet. Good job.
You're gonna hate this answer, right-brain though it may be: No, he can't possibly be in the exact same position because he's walking in a different direction. His footprints will never match any of those in the other direction. Humblest apologies.
Believe it or not, I'm still working on your logic problem from Message # 4570. I had another false start, after spending considerable time on it, so I'll start all over again. I'm not giving up on this one.
Go, team, go. I think you're the only one working on it.
Okay, you win. But I'm still not sure that Irv's argument proves the point. The fact that the monk will cross his previous path at some point doesn't mean that both trips made it there at the exact same time. To exaggerate the difference, suppose he leaves on the first trip at 9 am and takes five minutes. Coming back he leaves at 10 am. He'll cross his old path somewhere but never at the same time of day. I say all this with full knowlege that I'm questioning the answer on a classic problem.
It just occurred to me that perhaps you mean the elapsed time of the trip. If so...never mind.
Cancel 4591. I just reread the problem COMPLETELY.
No, I am. Or am going to. I've just found it and intend to take it on. But I have to leave now for several hours of irl. But Irv, or anyone who gets it, post the answers in white, please. I'll either do it or be done by it, by evening.
Good luck. I had to scrap my third attempt, after once again finding an error, after a few hours' work. I'm not giving up, though. This is definitely the most involved and challenging logic problem I've ever attempted, and I will get it.
2. asterism
5. Hunters
6. Hesperus
"Hunters" rang the expected bell. I thought for sure I would recognize 6 when you revealed it, but "Hesperus" barely registers. (I recognize the name, but I'm not recalling the linkage to Venus, although I know why there were two names.)
I didn't know the term "asterism", although I correctly guessed that the Big Dipper is an example. I'll quibble with your definition, though. The Summer Triangle is definitely larger than Lyra.
Thanks for the quiz. I had hoped to do better, but I hope you'll ask another one.
Possible Answer:
Fred & Glenda Palmer, Principal and Golfer, visited England, Norway, Italy and France
Edward & Helen Newkirk, Photographer and Newspaper Columnist visited Denmark, France, Norway and Spain
David & Jessica Rosen, Public Relations Director and Psychoanalyst, visited Spain,Denmark,England,Norway
Charles & Kate Quinn, Fashion Designer and College Professor visited France, Italy, Spain, Denmark
Bertram & Lois Oglethorpe, Television Scriptwriter and Magazine Editor, visited Norway, England, Denmark, Italy
Alan & Ingrid Morgan, Novelist and Physician, visited Italy, Spain, France, England
It took more than one hour
It's a pain to reach an impossible situation several hours into it, and realize you've made an error. I did that twice. If this past time hadn't panned out, I think I would have given up.
I'll continue in white, in case Irving is going to rise and finish the thing over breakfast.
I had all of Dusty's pairs, but only one surname, Quinn (with Chas and Kate). I had Kate Quinn's professorship, and one or two other professions attached to couples but not which member. I also had most of the couples' visits in their proper places.
But: I failed to see that in item #10 the novelist or the golfer had to be Fred's wife—so I kept eliminating 11 professions for the couple Fred and Glenda, and got stuck there. And was going insane!!
Congratulations. Your brain is first across the finish line. After you guys rest up a little, I'll see if I can find another one along those lines.
718274640843024725304707762524
633046767742530288094280363704
676774253063260460628436284270
843034778078326083773508602767
708430285268420227743302707278
063048702274602026650842807768
330480927046767742530367020783
260837735086027677026984464068
24053770843028526842
There is no meaning implied by the linebreaks. Treat the numbers as one long sequence. Hints will follow if and as required.
Interesting comments
Quinn was the last surname I found. Rosen came early, the others later, but Quinn only by elimination (if I recall correctly—my worksheets are at home).
But: I failed to see that in item #10 the novelist or the golfer had to be Fred's wife
Good insight. I missed that.
Hmm. Interesting indeed. It's amazing how many approaches can lead to (or, as in my case, toward) the same solutions in these things.
AytchMan,
That was a hard but very good puzzle, imo. I hope you have more.
As for the code, if that's what 4607 is, I'm completely out of my element and haven't the foggiest. But I'll lurk with pleasure.
AytchMan re Message # 4607
My first reaction was that it looked like the digits after the decimal point of e. But that fell apart in position 5. And the frequency is wrong. I note the paucity of one's. 5's are relatively rare, but never followed by a 4,5,6,7,8 or 9.
I'm not looking for hints yet. I just wanted you to know that someone is looking at the problem.
The following is a quiz written by Albert Einstein. He said 98% of the people in the world cannot solve the quiz. Are you among the other two percent?
FACTS
1.There are 5 houses in 5 different colors
2.In each house lives a person with a different nationality
3.These 5 owners drink a certain beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar and keep a certain pet
4.No owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar or drink the same drink
HINTS
1.The Brit lives in a red house
2.The Swede keeps dogs as pets
3.The Dane drinks tea
4.The green house is on the left of the white
5.The green house owner drinks coffee
6.The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds
7.The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill
8.The man living in the house right in the center drinks milk
9.The Norwegian lives in the first house
10.The man who smokes blend lives next to the one who keeps cats
11.The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill
12.The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer
13.The German smokes Prince
14.The Norwegian lives next to the Blue House
15.The man who smokes blend has a neighbor who drinks water
THE QUESTION IS:...WHO KEEPS FISH?
The German, living in the Green house (the 4th, reading from left to right), smoking Princes and drinking coffee, keeps fish!
Incidentally, this same quiz, or one differing only in detail, was on the Fray last year about this time. I didn't remember it—no such steel-trap mine—but I did know I'd be able to do it. I'm afraid I must doubt the reliability of your e-mailer's riff about Einstein and difficulty, Charlie. Fun anyway, though. Thanks.
Thanks. It is a good puzzle. I wish I could take credit for it. I have at least one more along the same line but I need to locate the answers. If I can't, I may post it anyway. The Mote will overcome.
On the number puzzle, you should give it a shot. In fact, a cooperative effort might be interesting for everybody -- to see what ideas come out.
also to Dusty-- Glad you're working on it. An interesting first cut. I'd like to hear the various deductions everybody makes (together?). I'll wait a couple of days before dropping any hints. If and when they're appropriate, I'll start with the "obvious" ones and get more directed as we go.
046767742530 ///
2880942803637 ///
046767742530 ///
63260460628436284270843034778 ///
07832608377350860276770 ///
843028526842 ///
0227743302707278063048702274602026650842807768330480927/// 046767742530 ///
36702 ///
07832608377350860276770 ///
2698446406824053 ///
770843028526842 ///
1=1
2=37
3=28
4=31
5=11
6=32
7=44
8=29
9=3
Which leads me to think that if this is really a code (and it has to be a code for something unless we're supposed to visualize a picture from the shape of the characters, or something else odd) then some of the numbers are ciphers -- in the literal sense, they're blanks. Spaces. Or some other form of punctuation.
Now, there's a preponderance of 0 and 7 and a dearth of 1 and 9.
Here is the frequency of digits in the list:
0 44
1 1
2 37
3 28
4 31
5 11
6 32
7 44
8 29
9 3
As A-5 notes, some of the lengths are odd, making a two-digit substitution problematic. I wondered if the rare digits 1 and 9 might be some sort of separator character. I noticed the first segment had one, so it had an even number of digits other than that character. Segment 3 also had an odd number of characters, and a nine in it. Segment eight also has an odd number, and a nine. Both of these would have an even number without the (possibly) special character. Unfortunately, it then fell apart. Segment 12 is already even but has a nine in it. And some others are odd without a one or a nine. Segment Length 1 33 2 12 3 13 4 12 5 29 6 23 7 12 8 55 9 12 10 5 11 23 12 16 13 15
2 17% 11% 3 13% 20% 4 14% 13% 5 5% 4% 6 15% 18% 7 20% 17% 8 13% 13% 9 1% 4%
Type the phrase "that proved it was" on a telephone keypad, using zero for spaces. You get:
842807768330480927
Which is the sequence of digits starting at position 172 (the end of segment 8)
Several other sections convert to english words, but I can't take anymore time now. I'll see if this works later, or someone else can pick up from here.
the sequence starting at position 4707762524633 translates to "is proclaimed"
Several other short segments are "the" "what does" "mean"
the first steam vessel to cross the atlantic carried as part of its cargo a book that proved it was impossible for a steam vessel to cross anything much less the atlantic
Squaring the circle is proclaimed impossible[.] What does impossible mean in mathematics[?] The first steam vessel to cross the atlantic carried as part of its cargo a book that proved it was impossible for a steam vessel to cross anything much less the atlantic
Presumably, the lone "1" is used for "q", as there is no "q" (or "z") on a telephone pad.
Very impressive. I thought that one would take a while longer.
I have just one question: did you, at some point, simply speculate that it might be a telephone pad cypher or did you back into it from the letter distribution?
Whichever, well done.
I first looked at the distribution of the digits. I also created a table of digit pairs and looked at their frequency. I posted the first table. i was going to post the second, but it was fairly long. The two digit pairs lead me down a blind alley . (56 of the possible 99 combinations existed. Too many to correspond to each letter, but half that many is one more than 26. Maybe upper case and lowercase? Plus a space? But the message wouldn't have every upper case letter, so I abandoned it.)
Then I saw A-5's layout, with one sequence repeated three times, and another one twice, and decided it must be a substitution. I highlighted the 9's and 1's and thought I saw a way to create two-digit pairs, but that feel apart.
I went back to the digit distribution and tried to think why 5 and 9 would be low (ironically, I didn't concentrate on the lone 1. It was then that I thought about 9 being the telephone digit corresponding to w,x,y, low frequency letters. Then I looked at 5 with j,k,l, and realized they were relatively low frequency. The highest single frequency is "e" of course. 2 didn't have the highest frequency, but it was high, and the highest frequency corresponded to 7, with three high frequency letters. I now thought I was onto something. I couldn't explain why there was a lone 1, but the low number made sense.
I almost abandoned it.
I used lookup to display the letters next to each number. The start of the sequence is 71, corresponding to p,r, or s, followed by what? an "a" or "I" could stand alone, but not p,r, or s. Luckily, I didn't include 0 in the table, and it returned an error. But this made it stand out as a separator. I looked at a couple two-digit pairs, and saw that I could make an English word. Then I saw that I could make "the" and "was" and I was sure I was on my way. The rest was just puzzling out the possibilities and finally realizing that the "1" stood for "q".
Great puzzle. BTW, is there a story associated with it?
I hope you have more.
Brilliant!! Congratulations! One of my kids suggested your approach but I rather pooh-poohed the idea. Serves me right!
Aytchman,
I'm really enjoying your puzzles. Please keep them coming if you have more.
Don't tempt me. There's no real story behind the puzzle other than that it's very old (20 years or more). But I almost started to weave a tale about a female foreign correspondent, key lime pie and a giraffe. Consider yourself lucky. All of ya.
You have a coin that you believe is unfair -- that is, you are certain that it won't come out 50-50 over a long series of flips. And yet, obstinate cuss that you are, you're determined to generate a series of random binary digits with the blasted thing. Can it be done? If so, how?
On even flips have tails be the 1. On odd flips have heads be the one.
Bob's your uncle.
I don't think your procedure gives a proper random distribution as the probability of 2 heads in a row starting on a given odd numbered flip is x(1 - x), where x is the probability of tossing a head and this is not generally equal to 1/4. Your sequels will not generate enough runs.
My procedure would be as follows. Unfortunately it's quite profligate on the number of wasted tosses.
Toss the coin twice. If the result is 2 heads or 2 tails, ignore. If the result is a head followed by a tail then mark the result down as a head. If it is a tail followed by a head then mark the result as a tail.
I think you're wrong. The probability of a head followed by a tail, where the chances of throwing a head is equal to x is x(1 - x). The probability of a tail followed by a head is equal to (1 -x)x. These are obviously equal. What you might be thinking is that the probability of head followed by tail given that you've already thrown one head will be different from the probability of tail followed by head given an initial tail. You are absolutely correct in this, but it is irrelevant to the procedure. We are merely considering the ab initio odds of the two combinations head followed by tail and tail followed by head.
p(h) x p(t) = p(t) x p(h)
p(h) x p(h) and p(t) x p(t) wash out
DISGIEIM.
Place equal amounts of peanut butter on opposite ends of coin and place in a box. Open side of box and insert laboratory rat. Mark which side rat ate first, and repeat with different rats each time.
Determine center of gravity of coin by attaching a pendulum string of uniform composition and measuring resulting torque around the string. Remove correct amount of mass from the coin in the proper location, and then flip normally.
Choose any number of irrational numbers, writing them down to whatever decimal place you require in terms of the desired length of your random binary. Measure mass of coin out to the same number of decimal places. Compare numbers -- generate a 1 for every decimal place in which the two numbers are in the same half of the digits (i.e. 1-5 or 6-0) and a 0 otherwise.
Place coin, cat, and vial full of cyanide gas attached to a geiger counter in a Schrodinger box. Rig the Geiger counter to the coin, measuring first the radioactivity of the coin and then programming the geiger counter to only turn on long enough that there is exactly a 50/50 chance a particle will be emitted from the coin during that time. Repeat as necessary.
Flip the coin twice. If both are heads, discard. If both are tails, discard. If different, record first value.
(I haven't checked the math to see if this is right. It's a guess at this point.)
But A-5's alternatives are impressive indeed. Reminds me of the barometer problem. I'll have to work on others.
Sure, I'm game. That last logic problem you posted was pretty killer. I haven't tried it again since I found out Dusty nailed it (though I haven't looked at his answer either).
Solve completely.
CLUES.
1)Abraham, who is not in a car pool, and the man who works in Zenith, who is not Lincoln, make up a foursome for golf every two weeks with Harry and Washington.
2)Lincoln and Roosevelt, who don’t live in Innstown, went bowling together last night.
3)The man who rides to work in the van pool has talked with Harry and the man who works in Quincy about going into business together.
4)Booker T., who is thinking about moving to Jackson, has talked it over with Franklin D.
5)The man who lives in Goddard doesn’t work in Oakdale and doesn’t know any of the other four men: Harry, the men who ride to work on the streetcar and in the car pool, and the man who works in Utica.
6)The man who rides the express train passes Youngstown each day on the way to and from the city where he works.
7)Neither Abraham nor Roosevelt lives in Dawson or rides to work in a van pool.
8)King does not live in Innstown.
Here you go. Did you create this one? Good puzzle.
Martin L. Truman, lives in Goddard, works in Youngstown, rides a pickup truck
Abraham King, lives in Jackson, works in Quincy, rides a streetcar
Franklin D. Washington, lives in Innstown, works in Utica, rides a van pool
Harry Lincoln, lives in Dawson, works in Oakdale, rides an express train
Booker T. Roosevelt, lives in Northville, works in Zenith, rides a car pool
I have several books of logic problems here. But I've been too lazy to type them in, and then not even be able to take part in solving them. I'll post one soon.
Homecoming Day
On Homecoming Day at a four-year college, Kalb and four other graduates lined up to buy school pennants. From the following clues, can you find the full name, occupation (one is a banker), graduation year, and place in line of each?
1. Jay, who was first in line, graduated in 1946.
2. Carl, who is not Larsen, graduated five years after the lawyer.
3. Dot graduated four years after Jackson.
4. Irons graduated five years after the engineer.
5. Hollis was ahead of at least two others in line.
6. The teacher, who is not Rose, was fifth in line and graduated in 1956.
7. Sam was not fifth in line, but he was behind the physician.
8. While no two of the five were in the same class or in consecutive classes, every two who stood next to each other in line had been in college together at the same time for at least one year.
I'm not sure I understood your 4657. Did you mean we have the skills in the Quiz crowd, so let's do it or that other math-smart Motators are better-qualified and oughtta do it?
Assuming you meant the former, I think we ought to kick around a few ideas and if something good starts falling into place, then proceed in earnest. By the way, I have no preconceived plan here, just a vague idea. Which is: to build some kind of an elegant, multi-layered thing that requires several different types of inference. A bad example: a cryptogram that, when solved, yields the text of the European Trip puzzle. But not really sequentially. A puzzle that requires solving several inter-related and very different sub-puzzles simultaneously. As I said, a vague idea.
Thanks for the new puzzles. I'm working them. I'm also slow.
Here goes:
1. My good friend in the telecommunications industry, Xavier Oxnard, recently attempted to string fiber-optic cable around the equator (exactly 25,000 miles). Upon completion, he found that he had measured out 25,000 miles and 3 feet of cable. If he decided to suspend the cable (somehow) to take up the slack, about how high off the ground would it be?
2. Xavier's company, Pan-Galactic Communications and Storm Door Installation, has recently acquired a steamship line, Consolidated Cattlebarge. Plying a single route across the Pacific between Port of Fresno and Perth, Consolidated is painfully punctual. Every day at exactly noon GMT, a ship departs POF bound for Perth. As you might expect, a ship departs Perth at exactly the same time, also GMT. The crossing takes exactly seven days. Thus, for each departure, another ship is just arriving from the opposite direction. All ships sail the exact same route in both directions. If Xavier boards a ship at Perth, how many ships does he meet on a one-way trip to Port of Fresno.
3. In order to take over another company, Xavier recently married a total stranger on national TV. As part of the pre-nup, Tandalayo agreed to meet Xavier at the train station after work each day and drive him home. Well, don't you know, the first day Xavier arrives at the station one hour early. He begins walking along the exact route that Tandalayo drives to meet him. She meets him part way and drives him home. Had he waited at the station, she would have met him exactly on time. As it happens, Xavier arrives home twenty minutes early. How long did he walk?
2. 15
3. 50 minutes
I knew the answer to #3 already, and don't have the math skills for #1. So here is #2:
2. Six, if you don't count the ships arriving and leaving at the same time he is leaving and arriving.
Interesting question, also, in that neither Fresno nor Perth are port cities. Fresno isn't even close, and Perth has Freemantle for that purpose.
Are you located in this part of the world? Your posting times make me wonder.
The point of #1 is to make a quick guess, then see how it compares with the right answer. That puzzle, or variations, is very surprising to many people.
#1 6 inches (but I've seen variations before)
#2 13, 14, 0r 15, depending on how you count the ship arriving exactly as you are leaving, and arriving..
#3 I'm sure I can figure it out, but I didn't make a 15 second guess.
#3 50 minutes
This is a good puzzle because it seems like you would need to know the speed of the car, or the distance, or the speed of walking. I've always been intrigued by puzzles where it seems like there isn't enough information.
The clues are very nasty, but they all make sense in the cryptic sort of way.
Jay Hollis, engineer, first in line, graduated 1946.
Rose Jackson, physician, second in line, graduated 1949.
Sam Irons, lawyer, third in line, graduated 1951.
Dot Larsen, banker, fourth in line, graduated 1953.
Carl Kalb, teacher, fifth in line, graduated 1956.
I'm working on a logic problem about the Mote. Expect it soon.
#1: One and a half feet
#2: Seven ships
#3: Ten minutes
#1 Too high
#2 Too low
#3 Too low (although my first guess was this number, till I thought about it more.)
I made the same mistake on #2.
Does anybody have any interest in a group attempt to construct a killer puzzle?
Yes.
As I was working on the other logic puzzle, i was thinking about the fact that the clues are all straightforward, meaning that they only require generally basic knowledge, only getting as sophisticated as needing to know that the Eiffel Tower is in France. I was vaguely thinking that it might be fun to make one where the clues are more cryptic. I say "vague" because I did't come up with any specific ideas.
But I'm game.
1. Trade the coin for one that is not biased. You can argue that the person making the trade is getting the better end of the bargain, because the cash value is identical, but the biased can be used, if one so chooses, to defraud others. Thus, it is Pareto optimal.
Use the unbiased coin in the obvious way.
2. Use the coin to buy a daily newspaper.
Start with any column. Count the letters in a paragraph. If odd, record a "1", if even, record "0".
Go to the next paragraph, and repeat as needed.
3. Chop down nearby tree. Place the edge of the coin at the bottom of the tree, then "walk" the coin, edge over edge, up to the top of the tree, counting the number of turns. If odd, record a "1", if even, record "0".
Go to the next tree, and repeat as needed.
4. Use the coin to rent a math reference book. Any good math reference book will contain a table of random digits. Read each digit. If odd, record a "1", if even, record "0".
5. Find a cyber cafe with coin operated computers. Place coin in slot. Do a Google.com search for random binary digits, and print out the results.
6. If the coin is biased because it is bent, it may not go into the coin slot properly. Do not despair. Jam the coin into the coin slot, get a cappuchino, and sit nearby. As others come by to try to use the computer listen carefully to what they say. Count the swear words. If odd, record a "1", if even, record "0".
7. Walk up to people on the street. Ask if they are left-handed, right-handed, or ambi-dextrous. If they are left- or right-handed, move on. If they are ambi-dextrous, toss the coin up in the air in front of them, taking care to do it exactly in line this their axis of symmetry. Observe which hand they use to catch the coin. If left, record a "1", if right, record "0".
Solved your Presidential puzzle although it took me longer than I thought it would. I ran into what I call the Inference Boundary. This is where you think you should make a connection but you're not sure because you're working a strict logic puzzle. On your puzzle, it involved whether people who didn't actually know each other could bowl together. Eventually, I made the leap. Good puzzle. The whole process triggered an idea for the killer puzzle. I'll explain in a bit.
Your answers to the Three-Parter are all correct.
All--
My requests for quick answers to some puzzles are because everybody here is very good at this stuff. It's just interesting to see what comes right out of the brain pan sometimes.
No, I'm in Austin, Texas. I just keep odd hours. I'm well aware of Fresno's status although I actually thought Perth was on the coast. Freemantle does ring a bell, now that you mention it.
SnowOwl's 4663 has the correct answers.
I too keep odd hours. Perhaps it has to do with the proper mentality for doing puzzles.
You'll be interested to know I'm working on a logic problem with the gang in this thread as the subject... I found a few kinks earlier, so it's not ready yet.
Perth is on the Swan River, some miles inland. The port for Perth is Freemantle. It's all one metropolitan area.
On the Killer Puzzle Project (hereinafter the KPP?), there seems to be enough interest to give it a shot. Again, I suggest we just brainstorm some ideas until we come up with a couple of Cool Beans concepts.
While working Angel-Five's puzzle, I thought of using fuzzy logic. To give a simple example, suppose we have a logic puzzle with just five clues. What we do is add another five clues (all wrong) and assign a couple of different levels of probability (in words) to many or all of the clues. In other words, Clue 1 might say "Sam is almost certainly not living in Boston". Another clue might say "The owner of the Toyota probably lives in Atlanta".
The point of course is to introduce an extra level of deduction. I'm not sure how far we could go because of the combinatorial burden. I'd hate to be responsible for someone's head exploding. Some of our Math heavies might be able to quickly calculate some bounds on what we can do.
Another idea would be to embed several sub-puzzles in a short detective story. The reader would have to solve the sub-puzzles to find out the killer. It's been done, of course, but I haven't seen any in a long time.
Comments and polite brickbats welcome.
>Perhaps it has to do with the proper mentality for doing puzzles.
Yes, of course, you have lurched uncontrollably to the truth.
>You'll be interested to know I'm working on a logic problem with the gang in this thread as the subject... I found a few kinks earlier, so it's not ready yet.
I'm looking forward to it. I'd be very pleased with even a walk-on part.
You're in there.
I like your ideas. I'm a little unsure of using "fuzzy logic," as it could make the problem nearly unsolvable, but I'm willing to see what our math experts have to say.
I do like the idea of working together on a puzzle. The detective story sounds like it could be interesting, as well.
Let's keep the ball rolling.
I did wonder what you meant. I had mixed feelings about Myst. It puzzles me to this day how it sold so many copies.
On the fuzzy stuff, perhaps if we use it sparingly. I think the concept is cool but I do wonder how complex it would get. I may try to gin up a very simple example and spring it on y'all. I've never seen a puzzle with probabilistic clues.
well, the trick is to figure out who's lying a little, who's lying a lot, and who's guilty of killing Mr. Boddy in the conservatory with the candlestick.
First, the straight logic puzzle:
There are two animals, my dog and your cat. Each possesses one of two objects, either fleas or some nerve. The only clue needed:
1. My dog does not have some nerve.
After a picosecond, one realizes that the answer is:
My dog has fleas.
Your cat has some nerve.
The new set of clues:
My dog very likely does not have some nerve.
Your cat...
I don't know what to put. I may have just trashed my own idea. Can anybody figure out what would work? Perhaps the puzzle actually needs a slightly larger set? Oh, the humanity.
if our man is instead encircling the "eqauator" of a basketball rather than the earth with cable, and again has three feet more than needed, the cable will still be suspended 3/(2*pi), about 5.7, inches off the surface.
Quite right. As Dusty (I think) pointed out, the interesting thing about the Earth-sized puzzle is that many people immediately assume the cable will only be microns off the ground. After all, it's only 3 feet distributed over 25,000 miles.
The reliability of the narrators could be conveyed subtly, such as by catching them in a lie, or by the way they speak or act.
Spence and Aytch:
Could you splain to a math-moron like me why the 5.7 inch thing works?
Didn't JJ try the Mystery thing? How did that go?
The 5.7 inch deal--
It comes from the equation for circumference of a circle, c=2(pi)r. Since pi is about 3, that means the circumference of any circle is about 6 times the radius. If you increase any circle by 3 feet, you'll always increase the radius by 1/6 of that or about 6 inches. It has nothing to do with the actual size of the circle.
therefore, circumference + 3 feet = (diameter+ x) * pi.
where x is the increase in overall diameter.
Compare the two equations:
c=pi*d
c +3 = pi*d + pi*3.
The difference between the two equations is 3 feet on one side and x divided by pi on the other; so x has to be 3/pi or .96 feet.
Take half of that as your increase in radius (radius is half the diameter).
Since diameter and circumference cancel out, their magnitude is irrelevant.
for a circumference of 6.28 feet the diameter is 2 feet.
for a circumference of 9.28 feet the diameter is 2.98 feet
for a circumference of 6280 feet the diameter is 200 feet
for a circumference of 6283 fet the diameter is 200.98 feet.
c +3 = pi*d + pi*3.
should be c +3 = pi*d + pi*x.
x divided by pi
should read x times pi.
It's late; you're better off listening to H.
Consider a circle of circumference x + 3. Let its radius be r', so x + 3 = 2pr', or r' = (x + 3)/(2p).
Then r' - r = (x + 3)/(2p) - x/(2p), or 3/(2p).
Reliability of Narrators:
I'm not sure if I understand what you're talking about, but...
in Mysteries, MOST people are reliable about the information they disclose.
Exceptions: People lie for mundane reasons, like to conceal an affair which has nothing to do with a murder. Usually a "reliable person" will lie about such a thing until the detective confronts him. Then he will admit it, and he will be honest about all other matters.
BIG Exception: The murderer is not reliable, of course. Usually the mystery is solved by examining eight or nine contradictory accounts. The trick is to find the ONE account that, when discounted as false, allows all other accounts to be true.
And the one whose story must be false is the murderer, of course.
That's how it works in Agatha Christie locked-room puzzles, at least.
I think it's time for me to go to sleep.
That's how I thought it worked in "Who Killed Cock Robin?" and "Who killed the Robins Family?", too.
Never any good at those kind of puzzles.
Re: 4717
By "reliable person," I mean "non-murderer."
The non-murderers always tell the truth-- or what they think is the truth (Agatha Christie enjoys having the murderer decieve them into giving the murderer a false alibi) -- EXCEPT about mundane matters not having to do with the murder. They will tell lies about affairs, unrelated crimes, their past, etc., but once the detective figures that stuff up, they soon fess up. They don't lie about other matters.
The trick is to separate those who lie for non-murderous reasons-- i.e., it's understandable to lie about an affair; that doesn't make you a murderer-- from those who have no reason to lie except to conceal their complicity in the murder.
"Evil Under the Sun" demonstrates these rules quite well.
I'm not sure how to weave the reliability angle in but I'm very much in favor of the idea. Perhaps one of the narrators is lying and proving it (somehow) removes (or reverses) the one subpuzzle that is conflicting the solution. I don't think that's quite robust enough but it's a start.
"Perhaps one of the narrators is lying and proving it (somehow) removes (or reverses) the one subpuzzle that is conflicting the solution."
That's how it works.
Look at Evil Under the Sun.
The Murderer has an alibi for the time the murder was committed. What's her alibi? A young girl who says, "We went swimming... She asked me to check my watch, and I did. It was 12:35. She couldn't have committed the murder."
Well, there's more to it than that, but what the murderer did was just change the time on the watch to provide a false alibi during the murder.
Once you discount the murderer's false account of events-- plus the various lies which the murderer caused other persons *unwittingly* to tell-- you eliminate all contradictions in the various narratives (accounts) and the puzzle is solved.
"to tell *unwittingly*", I meant.
It's because the puzzle is completely defined in time. (My good friend) Xavier is an hour early at the station. He arrives home 20 minutes early. In a sense, the speed of his walking and Tandalayo's driving adjust to the times. Think of it this way: if Tandalayo drove 10 times as fast, she'd have to leave at a different time or live farther away to meet X at the point that allows them to return home 20 minutes ahead of schedule.
Any thoughts on how to convey the reliability of each narrator?
I shouldn't, but I cannot resist.
We could give the narrators names of Moties.
Hey - check this out!
This card trick is freaking me out!
Give it a try - it only takes a minute...
Get back to me if you figure it out.
None of the original cards are shown again, so of course your card is gone!
I knew somebody would beat me to it! I lurk in here mostly because I'm either too lazy to think or too slow on my keyboard.
None of the cards in the second set are the same as those in the first.
Dang!
You guys are too quick!
I was going to say that it is the best card trick on the interenet. but, to the best of my knowledge, it's the only card trick on the internet. Still, it is pretty good.
Alright, I get it now. That was too simple, too.
The Mote: The Logic Problem
Disclaimer: None of the names or information in this puzzle bears any intended connection with the real life names or personas of any participants in the Mote.
Please post your answers in white font.
The Puzzle:
Yesterday, five participants in the Mote (including LouisianaJones) posted in five different threads (one was International). From the information below, determine the first and last names of the five Moties, their Mote handles, what threads they posted in, and what kind of post they made (one post was a flame).
1. Archie, Fisk, the person who posted a link, and Dustball all posted in different threads, but none posted in Language.
2.Dennis, Hale, and the person who posted a link did not post in the Mote Café.
3. AngelSix did not respond to a post by Grant, and neither they nor SnowFowl posted in the politics thread.
4. Betsy, SnowFowl, and AytchPerson did not post in the same thread as Carlotta, and none of the four asked a question.
5. Neither Innis nor the person who posted in the Mote Café told an anecdote.
6. Carlotta, Ernie, Innis, and the person who posted a link (who wasn't Grant) did not post in Current Events.
7. AytchPerson, Archie, Grant, and Jordan were not the one who posted a joke in Language.
8. Archie sent e-mails to Hale and Ernie anecdote told by another poster.
I finally added a link for the Logic Puzzle page you recommended in Message # 4675. Thanks!
Clue #8 should read:
8. Archie sent e-mails to Hale and Ernie about an anecdote told by another poster.
Archie Innis, aka Snowfowl, flamed in International.
Betsy Jordan, aka Louisiana Jones, linked in Politics.
Carlotta Hale, aka (ahem) Angel-Six, made a joke in Language.
Dennis Fisk, aka Aytchperson, related an anecdote in Current Affairs.
Ernie Grant, aka Dustball, posted a query in the Cafe.
Irving,
Thanks, it's a good and enjoyable puzzle.
SnowOwl:
Please keep trying. I'd like to get as much feedback as possible.
My second attempt gave me the same answers as Angel. Artistically, I think you could have made a couple of changes. In Clue 7 I would have dropped Archie from the clue, as we're already told that Archie did not post in Language in Clue 1. You might have also considered ways to develop the clues without giving away the free pair (joke is in language).
These are minor quibbles only. It was a terrific first attempt at puzzle making and I thoroughly enjoyed working through it.
You are a private investigator working in a rich, decadent community by the name of Port Infidelity, on the Pacific coast. It is well named.
Six wealthy men of the area have as a group bought your services. It seems that all of their wives are being unfaithful to them – each of them has taken a lover and is meeting them for nocturnal trysts in a particular neighborhood of Port Infidelity, informally called Rotten Row, made up of six streets. Their wives go out most nights, ostensibly for several reasons, but usually to meet their lovers in Rotten Row. You are hired to determine who is seeing their wives and where, so the men can seek divorce without losing their shirts.
They give you the following information:
-a list of the lovers (they’re apparently notorious Don Juans, a regular band of them, and they’re all good friends)
-each lover drives the only car of its kind in the community
-each lover drinks a different kind of beer and smokes a different kind of cigarette
-the lovers and wives have an agreement not to acknowledge each other in public
-each wife has secretly rented an apartment for the trysts, and no two of these apartments are on the same street of Rotten Row
none of the wives drink or smoke.
They just don’t know which lover is meeting which wife, and they don’t know where the meetings are taking place.
Moreover, all the lovers look more or less the same, and no one knows who drives what car, smokes what cigarette, or drinks what beer. And the lovers seem to be crafty, because they either park their cars out of sight or else on a different street.
‘Just calm down,’ you say. ‘Let me puzzle this over and I’ll call you each tomorrow, but I think I have all the information I need to tell you who’s been sleeping with your wives and where.’ You pause for a moment and then add, ‘I think I can even tell you who drives what car, drinks which beer, and smokes which cigarette. I should have more than enough information to do all that, in fact.’
Can you?
You know the following:
The names of the lovers are Arthur, Beauregard, Chaz, Dale, Eric, Felix, and George.
They drive, in no particular order, a Hyundai, an Isuzu, a Jaguar, a Kia, a Lamborghini, a Maserati, and a Nissan. No one else in town owns these cars.
They drink, also in no particular order, Amstel, Bass, Corona, Dos Equis, Eggenberger, Furstenburg, and Guinness.
They smoke, again in no meaningful order, Helikons, Imparciales, Juwels, Kools, Lucky Strikes, Marlboros, and Nat Shermans.
The wives’ names are Oona, Pauline, Queenie, Rebecca, Shannon, Tess, and Ursula.
The six streets in Rotten Row are Overlook, Pier, Quarry, Ravine, Shore, Tower and Underhill.
ON THE FIRST NIGHT:
The Hyundai is parked on Tower road.
The Jaguar and the Maserati are parked on Quarry road.
The Nissan is parked on Shore road.
You first go to the police station to try to learn who owns what car but the lieutenant tells you to take a hike – you’re persona non grata to some of the cops, who see you as a meddler.
The night cashier of the In-n-Out liquor mart remembers Oona coming in around eight, dressed to the nines, looking for a kind of beer. The non-domestic section is poorly stocked – out of the six beers, Corona, Guinness, Eggenberger, and Amstel are the only ones carried. Oona made no purchase and left, but while she was there Beauregard came in and the two chatted briefly. Beauregard was going to buy
beer but he’d forgot his wallet.
You observed the Lamborghini roaring out of Rotten Row, and an empty bottle of Bass being tossed out at the stopsign.
ON THE SECOND DAY:
The Kia is parked on Ravine that night.
The Infiniti is parked on Overlook that night.
The Lamborghini is parked on Shore that night; through the tint in the window you can see an empty pack of Imparciales on the dash.
You see Oona with a group of friends in the late afternoon. They are walking down the sidewalk in downtown Port Infidelity when the Infiniti pulls up alongside them and the driver chats with them for a moment. He is once again too far away to tell, but you can definitely tell Oona is one of the ones talking to him. A little later, she bumps into Felix and the two of them also chat. (Oona is very talkative).
At around ten you’re driving down Underhill when you see Rebecca pull into a driveway in front of you.
The driveway pulls around the back of the house through a heavy and tall fence, and when she pulls around you can’t see her car anymore. You spend the next two hours there inconspicuously trying to get a look in the house, but no go. A neighbor calls the police on you and you leave quickly.
You drive back to Nasty’s on a hunch. Sure enough, the night manager saw Felix there, around nine. He hadn’t bought any beer but bought a pack of Juwels. The night manager wasn’t sure what car he’d driven, but was sure it wasn’t a Lamborghini, Maserati, Kia, or a Jag. What’s more, while Felix was there, Shannon came in and the two of them chatted. The manager remembered what car she’d been in – it was a Hyundai with a stick, and Shannon had ground the transmission pretty bad driving in and out of the parking lot. She’d bought Amstel and driven off into Rotten Row.
ON THE THIRD DAY:
The Honda is parked on Shore that night.
The Infiniti is parked on Quarry that night.
The Kia and the Jag are both parked on Underhill that night.
You walk into Al’s Brew and Smokes on Tower Road at around five. While chatting with the manager (who hasn’t seen anyone) Pauline walks in and buys two packs of Nat Shermans and a twelve-pack box of Corona. She asks the manager to double bag the beer for her as she has to carry it partway down Tower Rd. You surreptitiously follow her out and note the apartment that she goes into, but can see nothing from the road.
You spot Eric walking on Pier Road around eight. He walks into an apartment there and pulls the blinds. You watch the apartment and are angling for a better look when the Maserati rolls by. The window rolls down long enough for the driver to flick a cigarette butt out the window, then peels off faster than you can follow, though you spend over a half hour trying to catch up and eventually lose the Maserati. When you get back the blinds are open again and no one is in the house. There is a freshly stubbed out Helikon on the stoop.
The cigarette butt flicked from the Maserati is mangled, but you can tell that it isn’t a Marlboro, a Kool, a Lucky Strike, or a Helikon.
ON THE FOURTH DAY:
The Nissan and the Lamborghini are parked on Quarry.
The Maserati is parked on Shore.
The Honda is parked on Ravine.
You are following the Jag and have seen that Chaz is driving it. He pulls up to the curb to talk to Rebecca and some of her friends. One of them offers him a Nat Sherman, and he turns it down. Chaz elects to park his car to go have a late lunch with them in a reservation-only vegan restaurant. You hang around outside for a while but look conspicuous, so you leave.
A bartender at the Spanked Badger said he saw Arthur, drinking Amstel by himself and chain smoking Lucky Strikes.
While in the same bar you recognize a prominent real estate agent in the area. You chat her up for info and she’s drunk enough to tell you that she rented apartments, on the sly, on Overlook and Pier to two of her classmates, Queenie and Ursula, but she can’t remember which got which. She gives you the address to Overlook. You go to the place and sneak around the back, where you find the Kia parked. You’re trying to get a better look at the house when a very large dog begins to bark close behind you, and you panic and run.
ON DAY FIVE
.
The Kia is parked on Quarry.
The Infiniti is parked on Underhill.
The Lamborghini is parked on Tower; you spotted George getting out of it and jogging off into someone’s back yard, where you lost sight of him.
A friend mentions that he’d seen Eric driving around town that afternoon. He can’t remember what kind of car he was in, but is sure it isn’t a Jag, a Kia, or a Lamborghini.
You head back to the In-n-out to see what’s up. They’ve revamped their imports section, so now out of the six beers it only includes Amstel, Furstenbergs, Corona, and Guinness. Around seven Queenie shows up to buy Guinness. George shows up looking for beer a little later but can’t find what he wants.
There’s, for some odd reason, a manned twenty-four hour manual car wash in Rotten Row. You cruise by hoping to see if any of the distinctive cars had shown up – and you find the car washer happily smoking a Kool and drinking a Dos Equis (obviously not his first). He can’t remember most of the cars that came in that night, confesses he nicked the beer and smokes from one of the cars he’d cleaned that night, but says he’s absolutely sure that he hadn’t cleaned a Maserati that night.
You walk into the Greasy Pig because you thought you saw Eric walk in. When you ask the bartender about Eric, you get a funny look and then the bartender tells you that you ask too many questions.
You decide to get up and leave; as you leave you see the bartender dialing someone on the phone. You figure they’re onto you and head home, mulling over what you’ve learned.
I'll tackle it after siesta time.
SnowOwl:
I had noticed those same things, but decided I'd done enough reworking of the puzzle, and wanted to get it posted. It was my first try. I'm sure they'll get tighter as I get more experience.
Here is my attempt. I say attempt, because some of the street names didn't cross-check, so I'm not sure if I made a mistake or there was an unclear clue. It's too late at night for me to check it all, so I'll post this and you can tell me if I need to try again. I'm pretty sure it's all correct except possibly the streets.
Arthur, Shannon, Quarry, Luckies, Amstel, Hyundai
Beau, Tess, Ravine, Marlboros, Furstenburg, Nissan
Chaz, Oona, Shore, Kools, Dos Equis, Jaguar
Dale, Pauline, Tower, Nat Shermans, Corona, Maserati
Eric, Ursula, Pier, Helikons, Bass, Infiniti
Felix, Queenie, Overlook, Juwels, Guiness, Kia
George, Rebecca, Underhill, Imparciales, Eggenberger, Lamborghini
You might want to correct the references to Honda (or Hyundai) and all the places where you say there are six variables (there are seven).
You're all correct for Dale, Chaz, and Arthur. Eric and George you have one transposed clue (check the last clue for Day One) You want to recheck Felix and Beau.
You kids have been busy. New puzzles, TV quiz show contestants. This is a pretty big pond to swim in.
I got more than a walk-on! Thanks.
Angel-Five--
Is your puzzle related to the discussions on the killer puzzle or were you working on this before? I'm looking forward to it (after Irv's -- first things first).
Good luck on the puzzles, and thank you for introducing us to this activity.
This, for better or worse, is one of the few areas where luck will have nothing to do with it.
Well, I find that luck helps me keep from making dumb errors on occasion when solving problems.
I'm completely useless at this kind of puzzle. I've had a couple of attempts but have screwed up badly both times. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed trying, but I don't think I'm methodical enough to succeed at these very often. Thanks for posting it though, I had fun even when I ended up throwing all my scribbled on sheets of paper across the room. 
Angle ABy=20°; Angle yBC=60°; Angle xCB=50°; Angle ACx=30%
What is the value of Angle xyB?
The answer is:
Angle xyB=20°
I also posted the wrong answer!!! Man, that's what I get for doing things after work when I'm brain dead!
SnowOwl, you did get the right answer in post #4774. You don't need to brush up on your geometry -- I need to brush up on typing skills!
Next time I promise to be more careful.
Please no.
I started working on it. It seemed to flow easily, and I found almost all angles. Except of course, for four. I even had four equations in four unknows, but those didn't seem to resolve. I'd like to take another crack at it first.
Well, I'll post the solution in white (and remember to turn it off!)
Dusty, don't look until you're ready.
SnowOwl, I'd be interested to know if this is how you got the correct answer or if you had an alternate solution.
The solution:
For typing purposes, I'll use ^ to mean angle.
Draw segment Bz such that ^zBC=20° .
(Z will be a point somewhere between C and y.)
Join xz.
Now ^ BzC=180° - ^BCz - ^zBC = 180-80-20=80°
Thus ^BzC=^BCz and segment Bz=BC.
Similarly ^BxC=50=^BCx thus segments Bx=BC=Bz.
^xBz=60° and segments Bx=Bz thus triangle Bxz is
equilateral and segments xz=Bz.
Again, Byz=180° - ^yBC - ^yCB = 40° = ^yBz
Therefore, segments yz=Bz=xz
Therefore ^zxy=^zyx
Now ^yzx=40° therefore ^xyz=70° and ^xyb=30°.
I use Netscape and your figure showed up as a broken link. I think the reason is that NS does not recognise .BMP files, only .JPG and .GIF.
If you want to know what the figure looks like, draw a tall, narrow isoceles triangle and label the top point A, the bottom left B and the bottom right C. Then draw a line from C to point x on line segment AB such that it gives about the right degrees described in the problem. Then draw a line from B to point y on line segment AC such that it gives about the right degrees described in the problem. Then connect points x and y. If done correctly, point y will be higher than point x.
Man, a picture is worth about 1,000 words!
There is format conversion software available on the net. But if you use MS Office you can import a .BMP file into PowerPoint and then save it as .JPG or .GIF.
Here's my solution:
First note that triangle BxC is isosceles with base Cx. This means that Bx and BC are of equal length. Denote this length p. Call length By, m. From triangle CyB an elementary application of the sine law tells us that m/sin80 = p/sin40. Therefore p/m = sin40/sin80.
Now examine triangle xyB. Denote angle xyB as r. Then angle Bxy is 160-r. Again apply the sine law. We have p/sin r= m/sin(160-r).
Rearranging and substituting from the last equality we now know that sin r= (sin40/sin80)(sin(160-r)). For simplicity's sake replace sin(160-r) with sin(20+r), we can do this as they are supplementary . Therefore (sin80/sin40).(sin r) =(sin r+20).
Expanding the right hand side we get
(sin80/sin40).(sin r)=(sin r.cos 20+cos r.sin20).
Grouping terms we get
((sin80/sin40)-cos20)sin r=cos r.sin20.
Divide through by sin20. Square both sides.
(((sin80/sin40)-cos20)/sin20)².sin²r=cos²r=1-sin²r.
Grouping terms
(1+(((sin80/sin40)-cos20)/sin20)²)sin²r=1
Therefore
1/(1+(((sin80/sin40)-cos20)/sin20)²)=sin²r
Thus we can evaluate sin²r, we know r is less than 180 so we can take the positive root to get sin r, and then we know that r is less than 140 so we have a unique solution for r.
We need some life here. (I hope Irv sees this set). Numbers following the quiz item are number of letters in the answer.
1. River flowing to the Euphrates at Basra (6).
2. Longest river in Australia (7).
3. Longest European river (5).
4. Another name for the South River (8).
5. Site of convergence of the Blue Nile and the White Nile (8).
6. River connecting Lake Ontario and Lake Erie (8).
7. Estuary of the Garonne and Dardogne rivers (7).
8. Another name for the Kaw River (6).
9. Northwest Canadian river rising in the Great Slave Lake (9).
10. River containing the Angel Falls (6).
3. Volga
5. Khartoum
7. Camarque?
No. 2: It is Darling, my darling.
Nos. 3,5,6,and 9: Right.
CalGal
No. 8: Right.
No. 2: It is Darling, my darling.
Nos. 3,5,6,and 9: Right.
CalGal
No. 8: Right.
Sorry I missed your guess on No. 1. You were right of course.
No. 10: Cheriz is wrong.
Snow Owl
No. 7: Camarque is wrong.
No. 10 is in Venezuela and it does begin with C. But your guesses are still wrong. The answer in fact sounds Italian to me.
Correct on No. 7.
I am holding off on No. 4 and No. 10 in the hope that Irv will have a go at them.
4. Delaware
10. Caroni (it does sound Italian doesn't it, even though it is in Venezuela)?
I'm an angel, we know these things.
You get full credit for your Falls.
1) bowl, jacket, storm
2) oil, pit, dance
3) sparrow, shrike, phoenix
4) kite, wind, heat
5) norman, scot, frank
6) amber, red, white
7) target, air, water
8) jerry, tommy, johnny
9) hustler, crusader, prowler
10) game, catalog, sharp
11) black, baseball, hope
12) cake, wheel, wire
13) boot, ass, hammer
14) test, inner, flash
What do you mean by "thread"?
2. snake
7. gun
13. Jack
14. tube
4) kite, wind, heat
thread = wind
2. snake
7. pistol
13. jack
14. tube
7) target, air, water
14) test,
9) hustler, crusader, prowler
14)inner,
2) oil, pit, dance
14) flash
11. diamond
5) norman, scot, frank
hehehe
Snowowl with 1, the real 7, and 11.
sounds like a casino
9. Larry Flynt?
13) boot, ass, hammer
Jack or Candide
6: wine
So far, I think the best answer is Joezan's Flynt.
CMB: Yes for 5 and 8 (all first names and names given to European peoples, and slang nicknames for the soldiers of various nation -- Jerry for German, Tommy for Brit, and Johnny for Confederate.)
Re: Flynt;
Yeah, I started it out with 'hustler' for a reason, and that was it.
Dang, Angel. I thought the scot, frank, norman one was too easy to simply be European people. You've had me puzzling for ages as to what else the link could be.
How about "wine" for 6?
That leaves, I think, only 4: kite, wind, heat.
Right on 4.
CMB. No for flynt (it was an intended misdirection) and no for wine.
A kite shield is a shield shaped like a heraldic shield.
amber, red, white: varieties of ale (so close but yet so far)
hustler, crusader, prowler -- Names of US military aircraft
What is the maximum number of cigarettes 3/8 inch in diameter which can be placed in a box, 6 inches long and 3 inches deep so that no part of any cigarette is above the level of the top of the box? The box is as broad as the cigarettes are long.
I'll post the answer here, though not the solution:
140
Just checking toys.
If your dimensions are unambiguous, they are certainly confusing. I assume that the cigarettes are 3 inches long. Is that a fair assumption?
I get 140, with a remaining gap of.0269 inches left between the top row and the top of the box. (But I'm not good at packing problems, so I won't be surprised if I am wrong.)
I take it you're not a member of the NRA, eh?
BTW, good geometry problem. I finally gave up and read the solution. Very nice.
yes, it was nice, although I've always preferred to avoid trig solutions if possible.
Here's one for you. I assume you are not sleeping now.
1. Largest island in the world.
2. Largest of the Greater Sunda islands.
3. Italian island famous for its Blue Grotto.
4. Greek island which was the site of the Minoan civilization.
5. Island comprising Haiti and the Dominican republic.
6. Most southerly of the Windward Islands.
7. Lesser Sunda island immediately east of Java.
8. Formerly known as the Spice Islands.
9. Least populated island of Japan.
10. Island group in the Persian Gilf to the east of Dharan.
11. Largest of the Dodecanese.
12. Volcanic island between Java and Sumatra.
Just for Irv. But I will let you also guess on No. 7. Krakatoa is right.
2. Borneo
12. Krakatau (to correct the spelling CalGal gave)
2. Borneo
12. Krakatau (to correct the spelling CalGal gave)
I don't see why this quiz can't be open to all.
5. Hispañola
6. Trinidad (if it's considered a Windward Island. If not, Grenada)
7. I'll leave this to others
8. Maluku
9. Shikoku
10. Bahrain
11. Rhodes
No. 6. I think Grenada is a Windward Island.
No. 9: I think there is a smaller one in popilation.
You got all the rest except No. 3, which you didn't guess on. And of course No. 7 which is the toughest of all.
For the hoi polloi, I should pont out that No. 8 is more commonly known as the Moluccas rather than by its current Indonesian name of Maluku.
I know Grenada is considered a Windward Island. I just wasn't sure if Trinaidad (immediately south of Grenada) is one also.
Capri and Hokkaido are right.
The answer to your question: Java, Bali, Sumatra, Penang and Luzon.
Now let's see if anyone can get #7.
Thanks for abstaining. Your Crete was of course correct for No. 3. Any guess on No. 7?
My first is in ready, but not in eye;
My second's in steady, but not in sty.
My third is in shameful, but not in blame;
my fourth is in earnest, and also in stern.
My fifth is in graven, but not in game;
My sixth is in vengeance, alas not in learn.
My seventh you'll find not in fresh but in four
My eighth can be found just in moira, not chore
and my ninth you'll discover in scorch and in score.
My whole is a sum which is stored for our needs;
you might call it a body, but it never bleeds.
Answer: reservoir
Thanks. I like trig, but your solution was very elegant indeed.
#7 Timor? If Irv is stumped, this couldn't be right. Just tell me how far off it is.
It's Bali. Irv isn't stumped; trust me.
SnowOwl: You are, as per usual, correct.
Timor is about 3 islands off. And I'm not really stumped. It's where I live.
Bali, huh. Cool beans. I'll have to get you to send me a postcard some day. If I stuff a couple of bucks into the modem, I'm sure it'll convert to the local currency on your end.
If memory serves me Irv prefers peanuts to money. He uses them to throw off amorous elephants or something
You will have to lurk more often if you want to catch my quizzes. There will be another one soon.
NUMBERS IN PARENTHESIS INDICATE NUMBERS OF LETTERS IN THE ANSWERS
1. French river which was the scene of a battle in 1916 (5).
2. Leader of the Falange party in the Spanish civil war.
3. A peasant in feudal England (7).
4. One of the authors of the Communist Manifesto.
5. Builder of the Great pyramid at Giza (6).
6. Bay in the southeast of Australia visited by Captain Cook (6).
7. Former kingdom in central Ghana (7).
8. English naval hero and victor at Trafalgar.
9. Woman abducted by Paris.
10. Ancient city on the north coast of Crete (7).
11. Head of Germany's air force under Hitler.
12. Capital of Hammurabi's kingdom.
4. Marx, Engle or is it Engles?
2. Franco
4. Engels
5. Cheops
9. Helena
11. Göring
Correct on 2, 4, 5 and 11.
Wrong on 1, and 12.
On 3 and 9, can you correct the spelling slightly?
This is ProfEmeritus:
I am on my wife's computer, and I forgot to change her Mote name to mine.
Dusty
Sorry I missed your replies. You were right on 8 and 9. On 4, you will note that Pelle spelled Engels correctly.
Pelle
Note that Dusty spelled 9 correctly: Helen.
Also see 4913 where I erronously posted as Blue Eyes.
I think villasin is OK but I could offer villein as well.
Please note that 4914 and 4915 were written by me.
OK. I will defer to you on villein or villain. Perhaps the linguists will have a comment; they are the final arbiters on spelling.
Good recall on 7: Ashanti is right.
6. Botany
12.Babylon?
Good recall on 7: Ashanti is right.
10. Knossos
Good guesses on 1, 6, 10 and 12. That wraps it up.
Dusty
Yes, in that case it was to distinguish it from Marx. In other, I added numbers to make the guessing easier and to avoid going all over the map.
Yeah, something went wrong there. I meant to add the number 6 after the question. As it stood, Marx would have been OK.
Numbers after the entries indicate number of letters in the correct answer.
1. Famous Russian author who died on May 30, 1960 (9).
2. Who proclaimed Katanga independence? (7)?
3. Tanganyika's first prime minister (7).
4. Hitchcock's classic of 1960 (6).
5. Existentialist who died in a car crash in 1960 (5).
6. Island which gained independence from Great Britain on October 24, 1961 (5).
7. Head of which European country escaped an assassin's bullet on August 22, 1962 (6)? His name (8)?
8. and 9. The two men who won the Nobel prize for their work on DNA (5), (6).
10. Who did Sophia Loren marry in 1962 (5)?
11. Which organization did France quit in 1962 (4)?
12. New Southeast Asian country formed in 1963 (8).
13. The first president of Uganda (6).
14. French writer who turned down a Nobel prize in 1964 (6).
5. Camus
10. Ponti
3. Nyrere
7. Crick and Watson
Right on 2,3 and 6.
Crick and Watson are the answers to 8 and 9, which I am sure you intended.
NATO is right for 11.
#4933?
Malaysia is right.
No on #13.
5. Camus
10. Ponti
(oh well)
Good bonus question.
You did well! No need to sniffle.
Great on #14. Sorry, I thought I had answered your first guesses earlier, but I gather the post didn't go through.
Right on No. 7; it is one of the events I remember from the sixties.
1. Pasternak
I don't know how you do it. Kabaka for #13!
How about #1?
Cross post. Pasternak is right. Again, I don't know how you do it.
In the dim, dark past I took a couple of papers on African history, almost all of which I have forgotten except when a quiz like this starts stirring memories. The courses were taken by a delightful guy who had lived in Nigeria during all the turmoil of the 50s and 60s and actually knew a lot of the big players in the various independence movements, so they were fascinating classes to attend.
Thanks, I really enjoy these quizzes.
Yes, thanks. These are great fun to do.
Although I remember the deGaulle assassination attempt, it is a genetic memory! Hahaha.
(NUMBERS INDICATE THE NUMBER OF LETTERS IN THE ANSWERS)
1. Prime Minister of Great Britain who began in 1950 (6).
2. King of Jordan assassinated in 1951 (8).
3. African nation gaining independence in 1951 (5).
4. Princess who married the Shah of Iran in 1951 (6).
5. First president of the Egyptian Republic (6).
6. Winner of the Portuguese election in 1953 (7).
7. Winning general at the battle of Dien Bien Phu (4).
8. Site of 1954 H-bomb test (6).
9. Became Soviet premier in 1955 (8).
10. State which voted to join India in 1956 (7).
11. Dog that was the first living creature in space (5).
12. First president of Cyprus (8).
8 Bikini
9 Khruschev
#7,#8: correct
#9: wrong
#2: correct
#5: wrong
Are you on the right thread?
If there's only 6 letters in the name I don't know 1 -- I thought it was Atlee.
Bulganin is right and Attlee is spelled with two ts.
Laika is right for #11.
Well, technically yes, but it was one of those low-flying tangent moments. Don't mind me I'm just stumbling around in the dark over here.
Britannia yields searches with both Clement Atlee and Clement Attlee; both refer to the Prime Minister after Win Churchill.
Something iz goofy about all dis.
4. Farah
#3: correct
#4: wrong
#10: correct
The mistaken spelling was so common that Fast Search decided to perpetuate it.
6. Salazar
Right on.
Also, no guess on #12, which I thought was easy.
12. Makarios
Right. His title was Archbishop, right?
There will be more quizzes, so not to worry.
That's close enough. I think the spelling is usually Saraya.
Btw, #5 also remains unanswered: first president of the Egyptian Republic.
5. Naguib
Correct.
NUMBERS IN PARENTHESES INDICATE NUMBER OF LETTERS IN THE CORRECT ANSWER.
1. Breakaway state defeated by Nigerian forces in 1970 (6).
2. Guitarist who died from a drug overdose on September 18, 1970 (7).
3. Became president of Chile on November 3, 1970 (7).
4. Asian country where civil war broke out on March 25, 1971 (8).
5. Nickname of a famous jazz trumpeter who died in 1971 (7).
6. What went into orbit on May 14, 1973 (6)?
7. German statesman who visited Israel in 1976 (6).
8. Famous author of fantasy who died on September 3, 1973 (7).
9. Jazz musician, composer and band leader who died in 1974 (9).
10. Country whoch voted to abolish its monarchy in 1974 (6).
11. King killed by his mad nephew in 1975 (6).
12. Who defeated Gandhi in 1977 (5)?
13. Who became prime minister of Israel in 1977 (5)?
14. Former Italian prime minister kidnapped in 1978 (4).
15. Country with which China signed a friendship treaty in 1978 (5).
1. Biafra
2. hendrix
3. Allende
4. Cambodia
5. Satchmo
6. Spacelab
8. Tolkein
11. Faisal
13. Begin
How did you get here so fast?
All your guesses are right except #4.
Can you correct the spelling slightly on #8 before someone else does?
3)Allende
5)Satchmo
8)Tolkein
13)Begin
14)Moro
#14 is correct.
Sorry, your #6 was wrong: 2 letters too many.
It is Tolkien, or my memory is failing.
Correct on #4.
My school hosted a quiz bowl today and I moderated. That's a good way to get exposed to a lot of info fast.
Yeah, you've had a lot of practise which is more than I can say for myself. Irv and I used to do that in the old days (host quizzes).
I like moderating my own students' games and seeing how much they've retained of what we've had in class. They cut me looks when they know they've screwed up an answer they should know. I'm also proud when we win, and we took the trophy today.
Irv and I had different groups of his students divided into groups with States'names, and the winners used to display their State banners with great panache.
Brandt is right for #7.
I can't believe that anyone has more general knowledge than you. No, I don't think we had that interesting custom anywhere in the US.
Wrong on both 10 1nd 12.
I'll try
9. Ellington
Prof,
My second son, who is the real quiz kid in the family, won several national quiz champtionships when he was young, representing his school. In fact, he won our first computer for us, back in the days when a Commodore 64 was the latest and greatest.
Right on #9. Your son is to be congatulated. I have two sons like that on sports quizzes.
Abs
Right on 12; it helps to look at the numbers.
10. Sweden
15. Japan (Did they ever sign a peace treaty with China after WW2?)
I've seen one of your sons in action on the Sports Thread and admired his knowledge of geography too.
Wrong on 10. You at least check the number of letters in the answer.
Fantastic guess on 15. I believe they did sign a peace treaty.
6. Gemini
10. Norway
Wrong on both, but they are apparently tough after all the experts have missed or avoided them.
10. Greece
And you are right.
You got the last one, Skylab for #6, and a tough one it was.
Senility Alert: I can't find the answer to the puzzle but I did work it myself years ago.
Part 1. My good friend, Xavier Oxnard, needs your help. Xavier is a graduate of the legendary University of Fromage, just outside of Parmesan, Wisconsin. While he enjoyed his seven-year stay at UOF, Xavier is having difficulty remembering the details of the campus. This may have something to do with the reasons for his seven-year stay. At any rate, he needs your assistance. So put your gum under the desk like we taught you and pay close attention.
The UOF campus covers a four-square block area which is bounded or intersected by six streets: Abstract Avenue, Basketweave Boulevard, Switchmajor Street, Cliffsnote Court, Tenure Lane and Dropout Drive. Each block is precisely quartered and contains four buildings. Each of the 16 departments occupies its own building on a corner lot facing two of the six streets. The 16 departments are Abject Grovelling, Bombastics, Cacophonics, Defenestration, Ephemera, Flirting, Grant Requests, Hallucinogenics, Idiometrics, Letters Home For Money, Moronics, Nebulosity, Obfuscation, Pizza Runs, Road Trips, and Selfabsorption.
The cabal of academics administering the 16 departments include Professors Bleu, Brie, Camembert, Cheddar, Edam, Feta, Gorgonzola, Gouda, Kreme, Limburger, Mozzarella, Neufchatel, Provolone, Ricotta, Roquefort and Swiss. Each department offers a one-year course. Each student is required to take three subjects during each of the four years at UOF.
1. Basketweave Boulevard and Dropout Drive are parallel. Tenure Lane and Cliffsnote Court intersect. Abstract Avenue runs north-south.
2. Professor Limburger's course is required for all members of the freshman class. Freshman must also choose either Professor Kreme's class or Selfabsorption. Those opting for Professor Kreme's class must also sign up for either Professor Bleu's course or Grant Requests. Those who choose Selfabsorption are also required to take either Professor Gorgonzola's course or Abject Grovelling. No matter which two of the six potential electives a freshman decides upon, all three of the classes will be on the same street, either Basketweave Boulevard or Cliffsnote Court.
3. All sophomores are required to take Idiometrics. They must then make a choice between Professor Provolone's class and Bombastics. Those deciding on Professor Provolone's course must also take either Professor Mozzarella's class or Hallucinogenics. Those choosing Bombastics must also enroll in either Professor Neufchatel's course or Letters Home For Money. All six potential sophomore electives are on Switchmajor Street.
4. Juniors are required to take Cacophonics. They must also choose two electives that they didn't get around to taking in their freshman year: (a) either Professor Ricotta's class or Obfuscation and (b) either Ephemera or Professor Brie's class.
5. The only subject not open to anyone during the first three years is taught by Professor Cheddar; this course is required for all seniors. Seniors must also catch up on two of the electives they missed during the sophomore year: (a) either Professor Camembert's class or Flirting and (b) either Road Trips or Professor Feta's class.
6. Professor Neufchatel's department, the Selfabsorption building and the Bombastics building are all in the NW corner of their respective blocks.
7. The Letters Home For Money building is on the same block as Professor Limburger's department.
8. The Ephemera building and Professor Edam's department and the Idiometrics building are all on Tenure Lane.
9. Professor Gouda's course and Pizza Runs are offered as electives only during the freshman year.
10. Professor Swiss's department and the Nebulosity building are both north of Basketweave Boulevard and east of Switchmajor Street.
11. If you missed both Professor Kreme's course and Abject Grovelling during your freshman year, you'll be able to take one of them as a junior.
12. If you didn't take Professor Edam's class or Moronics when first offered, you're out of luck.
13. The Letters Home For Money building, the Ephemera building and Professor Swiss's department are all on different blocks but two of them face Dropout Drive.
14. Professor Gouda's and Professor Ricotta's departments are also on Dropout Drive.
15. Professor Bleu's department and the Obfuscation building are both on the same block.
16. The Pizza Runs building and the Cacophonics building are both on Abstract Avenue, though on different blocks.
17. Professor Camembert's department and the Road Trips building are both south of Dropout Drive.
18. Professor Edam's department and the Hallucinogenics building are at the same intersection.
19. Professor Mozzarella, whose department is in the same block as the Abject Grovelling building, has no seniors in his class.
Please, please, help my good friend Xavier Oxnard. And when I say Xavier needs our help, I'm not kidding. I do not have the solution to this puzzle. Fair warning.
1a. City on Mahakam River
b. What Province?
2a. Bay where Peleng Island is looacted.
b. What Province?
3a. Capital of Kabupaten Manggarai.
b. What Province?
4. Location of Doberai Peninsula.
5. Location of Rupat Strait.
6. River flowing through Palembang.
7. Location of Kotabumi.
8. Location of Western Daya Islands.
9. Largest City in Western Daya Islands.
10. Indonesian Island Group closest to the Philippines.
I doubt anyone else here can get any of your questions, and I only know some of them. After all, there are 14,000 islands here.
1. Samarinda, East Kalimantan.
2. Central Sulawesi -- don't know the bay.
3. Ruteng, East Nusatenggara.
6. Musi
7. Lampung
10. Talaud
Good on all of those. The bay in 2 is Tolo.
Yeah. They are pretty tough. I have been to all of those you got except #10, so I didn't realize how difficult they were.
4. Irian Jaya
5. Off Riau
8. North of East Timor
9. Wetar
I've looked up a few of the answers:
4. The Doberai Peninsula is Irian Jaya's famous Bird's Head (there's a language family -- The Bird's Head family -- named after it.
5. Riau
8. I think you mean the Barat Daya Islands, which translates as the "Southwestern Islands" ("Barat Daya" means "Southwest" in Indonesian). These islands are in the southwestern corner of Maluku, with Wetar being the best known and largest. But I don't know of any cities of note there, so I'll have to return to my references to find an answer to #9.
AytchMan:
I will give your puzzle a whirl when I have a spare moment.
I see we cross-posted. Wetar is an island, not a city, as far as I know.
Numbers in parentheses indicate the number of letters in the answers.
1. Basque separatist organization (3).
2. British church official kidnapped in Lebanon (5)
3. Sri Lankan separatist organization (6).
4. Fransois Mitterand's successor (6).
5. Leader of white minority party in Southern Rhodesia (5).
6. Antinuclear organization (3)
7. French high speed train introduced in 1981 (3)
8. Country which held the first Earth summit (6).
9. The last East German leader (8).
10. Tribe involved in civil war in Rwanda and Burundi (5).
11. Iranian secret police prior to the revolution (5).
12. Czechoslovakian leader during the Prague Spring (6).
13. Argentinian military leader during the Falklands War (8).
14. Zulu-based South African movement (7).
11. SAVAT
10. Hutus
8. Brazil
9. Honecker
3. It doesn't fit, but the Tigers of Tamil Eelam
10. Dubcek
7. DMT?
I think 10 is Tutsi... it fits the clue.
14. Inkatha?
Well, Hutus fits too. With the "s."
Eh, it probably is Tutsi. Oh well.
I guess we can give you credit for Hutus in #10, but I was thinking of a singular name on 5 letters. Any guess?
Can you correct the spelling on #11?
Irv
Right on 5, 8, and 9.
Right on 1,2, 3, 10, 12 and 14 and correct spelling of Savak.
Ace
Wrong on # 7
Savak. Savak. That was the Klingon chick on Star Trek.
That's how I got through law school. I learned the exceptions to the hearsay rule by making up an mnemonic based on Rrr'Gngch, the Klingon Code of Honor.
Wrong on #7.
Hahaha!! That's great, Ace. Do you still remember them?
Forgive me. On #7, Jonesy had it right, TGV.
Abs
For #13 Menendez is wrong.
Yes, CND is right for #6.
Only #13 remains.
Right on a difficult one.
I now see that you also got Galtieri in your 5077. In fact, you were first.
1. In what year did the EEC come into existence?
2. With how many countries?
3. What countries?
4. When did EEC become EC?
5. When did EC become EU?
6. How amny countries in EU today?
7. What were the last 3 countries to join? When?
8a. Who authored the first plan to create a monetary union?
8b. When was it ratified?
8c. What was it called?
9a. When were the exchange rates of the EC first linked?
9b. What was the system called?
10a. When did the Bretton Woods system first breakdown?
10b. Why?
11. When did a worldwide shift to floating exchange rates occur?
12. When did the first attempt at European fixed and linked exchange rates (#9) fail?
13. When was a new system of fixed but adjustable exchange rates introduced?
14. What was it called?
15. What was the mutually pegged exchange rate part of this system called?
2. Six
3. France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Holland, Italy (?) and Germany(?)
Right on 1,2 and 3, but let's call Holland the Netherlands.
Indiana
Good guess, but off by quite a period.
8a. Werner? That was the name on the report, I think.
8b. Early 70s--71 or 72?
8c. If I have those two right, then I think you mean the "snake"?
8a: right, the Werner report; 8b:OK, 3-71; 8c: No.
Thoughtful
Yes on 10, in fact with President Nixon's announcement floating the $ in August, 1971. I was consulting in Asia and no one would accept my dollars as there was no established rate. Fortunately, I had just left the Philippines and had a bundle of Filipino pesos which were accepted in Bangkok.
I am off for a couple hours of tennis. Keep the guesses coming.
Thoughtful: #4: 1967 is correct.
#5: Agreed in 1992, came into effect in 1993.
#9: This is not the date or system I was thinking of. How would you answer #13 and #14?
7 (2 parts), 8c, 9 (2 parts), 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Honecker was the last one with an 8-letter name, though. ;-)
"Hahaha!! That's great, Ace. Do you still remember them?"
Cmboyce, you bozo. I was joking.
Get with it, Bozo!
Hey, Bozo. Back off.
THIS IS MY THREAD AND I WILL DELETE BOZOS.
BOZO FILTER IN HIGH EFFECT.
You have been warned, Bozo.
Oh my god I'm weak. It's a shame you couldn't have been this funny in Law School, Ace. An amusing mnemonic might have saved the day.
Oh, boy. Do I feel a spate of deletions coming on.
Excuse me. I'm going to go put on my lucky Deleting Cap.
Okay. Deleting Cap on.
Let's rock. Your move, bozo.
This is a jeopardy answer; the quiz is: What was the jeopardy answer?
Shit.
I have come here to chew bubble gum and delete your ass.
And I'm all out of bubble gum, Bozo.
Bozo the Ace.
(Go ahead, Cato, have at it.)
You Bozo, I'm not really going to delete you.
Whatta schlmeil.
Cato the Censor, in righteous dudgeon, felt constrained to delete or burst. He could not decide how to begin. See if you can help him determine on the most natural course.
1) He could delete one of the following: an Ass; some Bubblegum; a Contradiction; a Dingbat; or an Effluence.
2.) He could delete it with: a Velocipede; a Wave of his wand; an X-ray machine (don't ask how, it's a quiz!); a Yankee corkscrew; or a Zyzygy-disrupting nuclear bomb launched on a Saturn V rocket.
3.) He could perform this exorcism on: Madison Ave; National Public Radio; Oprah; Park Ave; or Queer Street.
4.) He ..... oh no.
Word is just in.
He burst.
Quiz cancelled, that all may find time to pay their respects to the late Censor, who lies in state in the lobby of the Philip Morris Building until Saturday.
Well, hell, I knew that Cato; you tipped your hand.
Schlemiel. Sheeit. Schlemiel to suppose you a clever hand at mnemonics, that's all.
Identify the following:
a) All Cows Eat Grass
b) Oh Be A Good Girl Kiss Me Now
c) FACE
d) PCB (Very difficult and arcane. Possibly insoluble. But it's my favorite and gets me through many a morning.)
A. The four "spaces" in a musical staff in bass clef (bottom to top -- ACEG)
C. The four "spaces" in a musical staff in treble clef (bottom to top)
I recall the Every Good Boy Does Fine one as well, but that was pretty cheesy, so I came up with my own R-rated version.
I give up, Bozo. "FACE" sounds very familiar, but I'm stumped.
In elemenary school I may have heard, "Oh be a good girl kiss me now." From my dad. But that wasn't really a mnemonic.
Yeahp. Daddy made a proper lady outta me.
"Oh be a good girl..." is really familiar, though. Seriously.
PCBs is my morning mantra: Pills, Caffeine, Breakfast.
(I'm quite willing to concede that that's unfair; I just didn't feel like trying to find anymore mnemonics, and 3 seemed a bit chintzy.)
Anyone else have any (real) ones?
Yeahp.
Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally.
and ROY G BIV, of course. One of the stupidest mnemonics around.
I never understood why I was expected to learn THOSE particular colors. Color being a spectrum, there are actually billions of colors, right? So who cares about these seven? What the fuck does it matter?
Maybe there's a REASON that "seven colors" in the visual spectrum are important. If so, they should have taught me that reason, rather than the stupid ROY G BIV.
"Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally"?
Any takers?
It's a real mnemonic.
parenthesis exponents multiplication/division addition/subraction
order of mathematical operations
And: Red Right Returning.
Red sky by night...
I learned the tenor clef by reading it as treble and transposing it down one note. This was odd for a cello player--the standard way was to read it as bass clef and knocking it down a fourth. But that seemed even more unnatural to me (probably because I learned to read music on the piano, rather than the cello).
Here's a fairly easy quiz:
Name the offspring of the following:
1.) Talleyrand & Victoire Oeben _______ [married name omitted]
2.) David & Bathsheba
3.) William Blythe & Virginia Cassidy
4.) Francois Arouet & Marguerite Daumard
5.) William Godwin & Mary Wollstonecraft
6.) Zeus & Dione
7.) Henry VIII & Anne Boleyn
8.) The Swan & Leda
9.) Zechariah & Elizabeth
10.) George Washington & Martha Custis
I've got to go to bed, now. I'll be on again in the morning, with answers, if need be.
Cal: Sealed With A Grimace?
10) Is this a trick question? I didn't think George & Martha had any kids of their own. But she had one or two from a prior marriage, right?
Cartman's right about 2 & the trick question, 10.
Cal got 3, 4, 5 (though misspelled), 7, and, with a qualification, 8. Helen was indeed born of the famous rape, but she was one of 4! There were two eggs; in one was Helen and Polydeuces (I'll just name him; he's known for nothing else), and the other contained a famous pair of twins. So half of #8 is still answerable.
Which leaves, in addition to that half-question:
1.) Talleyrand & Victoire Oeben _______ [married name omitted]
6.) Zeus & Dione
9.) Zechariah & Elizabeth
On #1: as the omission suggests, this is a case of an adulterous liaison (as it was doubtless put at the time), and while never explicitly confirmed, it appears to have been believed in by both the offspring and his world.
I know there's a nasty one to help remember the bones of the skull....something about Oh How I Love to Feel a ... but I don't remember. Just remember my girlfriend telling me about it when she was studying anatomy.
8. Castor and Pollux
Thoughtful, I think I remember the one you mention, about the skull, though like you I don't remember how it goes. But I thought it referred to the cranial arteries or cranial nerves. I was told of it by a med student, a surgery intern at the time.
What does the ice-cream-eating rat refer to?
HOMES
The Great Lakes.
Olfactory, Ocular, Oculomotor, Trochlear, Trigeminal, Abducens, Facial,
Vestibulocochlear, Glossopharyngeal, Vegus, Accessory, Hypoglossal.
Rather a mouthful, any mnemonic derived from that.
I can't find, after a somewhat cursory search, admittedly, any list of cranial arteries, and they may not be considered as such, or there may be too many for pedagogical inclusiveness. Or something.
But here's another, briefer set of cranial nerves
[optic nerve][optic chiasm][trigeminal][facial][auditory]
More promising. Old, Obtuse, Anal, Terminal Fatheads.
Or: The Obvious Adulterer Found Out
I guess the order would matter, but I'll leave it to med students et al.
CM, did you make that word up?
1. Eugène Delacroix (the woman's missing last name is--de Staël!)
it's how you spell ARITHMETIC.
SSSSTDTWSC
It's akin to SWAK.
Glad to see you are around. I want to reply to your Message # 5148.
All told, that WAS sort of a dumb and inexact quiz. I have gotten interested lately in European economic integration. Hence the questions. Incidentally, you probably read that Greece appears to have made the Eurozone team. They announced yesterday that they had met the macro convergence criteria for admission, and it looks like Greece will definitely be admitted at the EU June meeting.
Here are my answers to my quiz:
1. 1958
2. Six
3. Belgium, France, Italy, Luxemburg, Netherlands, West Germany
4. 1967
5. 1993
6. 15
7. Austria, Finland, Sweden, 1995.
8a. Werner
8b. 3-71
8c. Economic and Monetary Union (EMU)
9. 3-72, the Snake
10. 8-71. US floated the $.
11. 3-73
12. 1977
13. 1978/79
14. European Monetary System (EMS)
15. Exchange Rate Mechanism (EMR)
It wasn't a dumb quiz at all; I was pleased to see that I absorb quite a bit of extraneous data on my way to the movie reviews and Dear Abby.
You're welcome, Deev. Try "unmnemonicizable" on her anyway. The challenge of the unknown and all, y'know. The pathologies of the head are too simple and straightforward.
Message # 5163
tmachine! Hello. And congratulations, you have indeed named Talleyrand's illegitimate offspring, closing out the "offspring" quiz.
But I don't know who your "de Stäel" is. The name I omitted was Delacroix. Her maiden name was Oeben (her father, incidentally, was the great, probably the greatest, French ébénist, Jean-François Oeben, as likely a genetic source of ED's genius as Talleyrand), and she died (when the artist was 16) with her husband's name. Maybe Talleyrand slept with the famous Mme.(Anne Louise Germaine Necker) de Stäel (1766-1817), but if so, it had nothing to do with Delacroix.
De Staël, de Staël, de Staël...
The question in my mind is, what is the diversity of the question authors. I've only watched the show a few times, so I'm clearly a bad sample. But of the times I watched, I don't remember a single question about sewing, cooking, child care, fashion or cosmetics, though of course there were sports questions. Even on movie questions I remember Bruce Willis or other action-adventure films, but none about 'chick flicks.' I don't remember any on rap music either.
I don't think it is a female thing at all. I have found many times that women remember dates better than I do - often to my chagrin. I agree that quiz show questions tend to be slanted in favor of more masculine topics. I am sure that statement will leave me open to being called anti-feminist by even suggesting that there are more masculine topics. However, many of my female students have told me I am the original male women's libber.
When Adam Jumped Mary's Mother, Adam Jumped Very Highly, To Prison, To Fill People's Buckets Later.
Queen Nefertiti's Pale Creamy Jugs, Trembling Perfectly, Can Demand Silent Oral Caresses Very Eagerly.
King Phillip Came over From Germany, Sipping VODKA
The "V" gives you Variety.
Wildfire was a bio warfare project in Andromeda Strain
Chani was the mom
Two quizzes:
Couldn't figure out the complete answers to these last night:
What are the five kinds of reptile? (Only can think of four; I think the fifth might be an obscure kind, like "Tuturas.")
Three kinds of amphibians?
What are the differences between frogs & toads?
1. turtles, tuatara, snakes, crocodiles and alligators, lizards.
2. salamanders, frogs and toads, caecilians
Frogs have smooth skin and long legs. Toads have shorter legs and rough skins.
Isn't another difference that frogs have a three-stage life cycle, and toads have a two-stage cylce?
Or am I confusing frogs & toads with butterflies & moths (though I think there it's four stages and three stages).
Toads have very smooth skin, not rough skin.
Think about poisonous toads. They're slick as mirrors.
The five kinds of reptiles are snakes, lizards, crocodilians, tuaturas and turtles.
All of this information is courtesy of a 10 year old who toys with the idea of becoming a herpretologist, my son.
At least how old must an US citizen be if they were born under a flag with 46 stars?
48?
49?
What is the oldest age one can be if one was born while the flag had 50 stars?
2. 41
3. 40
Hey Angel-Five, what are all those things?
Message # 5175:
the second one is presidents
the third one is geologic periods of time starting back from Quaternary
the last one is a menmonic for nerves.
Message # 5198 Thanks, Angel. Those are very nice. I'm gonna write them down and try to impress them upon this aging, increasingly crusty brain. Generate a few new circuits, eh? Like walking around the house with one's eyes closed.
1. 1989 Report that became the basis for future integration.
2. How many stages did that report, like the Werner report, envisage?
3. What was the starting date for Stage I, accepted at Madrid?
4. What important objective did the first stage accomplish?
5. Where was the treaty on European Union, December, 1991, held?
6. How many countries ratified that treaty?
7. What country first rejected but later approved that Treaty?
8. Which country rejected membership in the EU by a 1994 referendum?
9. What important institution was established in Frankfurt on 1-1-94?
10. When did it cease operations?
You will be amazed/shocked/depressed to know that I haven't a clue to most of your questions, but I think:
5. Maastricht
6. This is a bit of a trick question (not intended, I'm sure). Now all member have ratified the treaty although Denmark and the UK have opt-out clauses. When the treaty was concluded Austria, Finland and Sweden were not members, so they ratified it retroactively when they joined. Denmark, although a member did not ratify. So the answer is either 11 or 15 depending on what timeline you prefer.
7. Denmark
8. Switzerland.
9. The European Central Bank.
10. It has not yet ceased operations.
I think your general knowledge without consulting references is very good.
Re your answers:
#5: Maastricht, correct.
#6: We may have a disagreement on this. I think the answer is 12. It was approved (ratified) as a treaty by all 12, and signed by Denmark as well as the 11 others. However, when submitted to Danish voters it was narrowly rejected on June 2, 1991, but subsequently approved in May, 1993.
#7: Denmark, right as noted above.
#8: Switzerland, wrong. How about one of your Scandinavian neighbors?
#9: Wrong
so #10 is also wrong
Make that June 2, 1992 on the narrow rejection by Danish voters.
#8 is Norway of course. I think Switzerland rejected another agreement I don't know the English acronym for. Its purpose was to tie the EFTA countries closer to the Union.
No clue on #9.
Oh, sorry, I mistook this for a quiz I'd have a chance of answering correctly.
1. Delors Report
2. Three
3. July 1, 1990
4. Removal of all restictions on movement of goods, services, capital and labor.
5. Maastricht (Pelle)
6. 12 (Pelle)
7. Denmark (Pelle)
8. Norway
9. European Monetray Institute (EMI)
10. June 1, 1998
Complete the names of these jazz masters and tell me the nicknames by which they were known.
1. Edward Kennedy _________
2. John Birks _____________
3. Julian _______________
#3: Julian "Cannonball" Adderly?
But I can only guess at the other: John Birks "Count" Basie; John Birk "Zoot" Sims? John Birks "Screaming Jay" Hawkins? John Birks "Sun" Ra?
I givvup.
Hint on #2. He plays trumpet.
Coltrane?
Good going!
And another little jazz quiz:
Name one or more well-known jazz players for each of the following instruments:
1) cello
2) flugelhorn
3) violin (at least 2)
4) flute
5) accordian
2. Wynton Marsalis
3. Stephane Grappelli, Joe Venuti, Regina Carter, Stuff Smith
4. Herbie Mann, Yusef Lateef
5. Bela Fleck? No. I think he plays banjo. Got me.
1) There are (at least) 2 cellists; one of them is much better known as a bassist.
2) I was thinking of Miles, but of course WM's good too.
5) There are several (I found, on looking it up to make sure I'd remembered this guy's name right); I know this guy because he was on an LP I used to have of the Buddy De Franco Quartet, from the mid-to-late 50s.
hm, accordian? I want to say Jimmy Smith.
Wow, I'd sure love to hear Mingus play cello, but I'm not thinking of him, either.
My cellist was also known (perhaps better known) as a piano player, an accompanist to biggies like Frankie Laine and Lena Horne. As a cellist, I think maybe he only played with one band, and the only reason I know him is I briefly had a girlfriend who was a (classical) cellist, who talked about him. She had a record of the band, from a movie, but I can't remember the movie.
Wait a minnit.
Dad?
The accordianist is Pete Jolly. But I apologize for the question, which is pretty silly, really. I mean, how well known can a jazz accordianist be, given that hardly anyone likes the instrument, once beyond polka-band fans. There are certainly no others I've heard of. But I guess it is rather like an organ, also improbable but Jimmy Smith's great.
What made me think of Slam Stewart for the cello question was the very thing you mentioned, btw...the ability to bow and pluck at the same time. Slam was known for doing that.
And, I find, Jolly's real name is/was Ceragioli!
(And Buddy's real name? Boniface Ferdinand Leonardo. Well done, Signora and Signore de Franco!)
And of course there's Flip Phillips (Fileppi) and Louis Bellson (Bellasone). There were a number of Italian Americans active in jazz in the early years, chiefly out of New Orleans. There was a fascinating article about this in Ambassador magazine, which is put out by the National Italian American Foundation. It was most illuminating. I had no idea.
(Numbers in parentheses indicate number of letters in the correct answer)
1. City is Mali which was a major trading center in the Middle Ages(8)
2. Former kingdom in central and northern Spain united with Aragon in 1479(7)
3. Town where Joan of Arc was burned to death(5)
4. The country from which the Black death originated(5)
5. Official purge of Jews in Russia(6)
6. Medieval ruler of a Mongol tribe(4)
7. Original name of Augustus(8)
8. Ancient city near Tunis(8)
9. Seat of the German government after 1919(6)
10. Location of the most famous oracle in ancient Greece(6)
11. Last German emperor(7)
12. Ancient city of Boetia(6)
13. Rival of Marius(5)
14. Scandinavian warrior and founder of the Russian state of Novgorod(5)
15. Assassin of Marat during the French Revolution(6)
1) Timbuktu
5) pogrom
6) khan
7) Octavian
8) Carthage
9) Berlin
10) Delphi
11) Wilhelm
13) Sulla
15) Corday
Here are the correct answers and if my records are right, the FIRST person to get each one:
1. Timbuktu (CM)
2. Castile (CM)
3. Rouen (Diva)
4. China (CalGal)
5. pogrom (CM)
6. Khan (CM)
7. Octavian (CM)
8. Carthage (CM)
9. Weimar (CM)
10. Delphi (CalGal)
11. Wilhelm (CM)
12. ????
13. Sulla (CM)
14. Rurik (CalGal)
15. Corday (CalGal)
Good. Thebes is right.
(Pogroms in Russia weren't officially-sanctioned, either, though the authorities often turned a blind eye, or even encouraged them indirectly. Finally, Jews weren't the only victims of pogroms, merely the most popular ones.)
ProfE, you're gonna give me a complex. sob!
You did indeed. My apologies. Next time your name goes first.
1. A Greek liqueur which is flavored with anise.
2. Italian mush made out of cornmeal.
3. Spanish drink made from wine, brandy and fruit juice.
4. English blue-vein cheese.
5. English dessert made from sponge cake, custard, fruit and cream.
6. Drink made by mixing wine and cassis.
7. Herb used to flavor saltimbocca.
8. Greek layered dish containing eggplant.
9. Orange-yellow spice extracted from a crocus plant.
10. Brandy made from cherry juice.
11. Almonds fried in boiling sugar syrup.
12. North African semolina dish.
13. Scottish dish made from ground offal.
14. Dutch egg, meat and bread dish used to sober up drunks.
(Probably only Irv will know this).
5. trifle
7. Sage
8. moussaka
9. saffron
10. kirsch
12. couscous
13. haggis
14. don't really know, but sounds awfully like bobotie to me.
3. Sangria
4. trifle
5. Stilton
8. moussaka
9. saffron
All you guesses are correct. What does bobotie mean?
All your guesses are also correct; Snow Owl got some of them first.
Snow Owl
Wrong on #1.
2. Italian mush made out of cornmeal. =polenta
3. Spanish drink made from wine, brandy and fruit juice.=Sangria
4. English blue-vein cheese.=Stilton
5. English dessert made from sponge cake, custard, fruit and cream.=Trifle
6. Drink made by mixing wine and cassis.=Kir
7. Herb used to flavor saltimbocca.=Sage
8. Greek layered dish containing eggplant.=Moussaka
9. Orange-yellow spice extracted from a crocus plant.=Saffron
10. Brandy made from cherry juice.= Heering
11. Almonds fried in boiling sugar syrup.=sugared almonds (Confetti)
12. North African semolina dish.=Couscous
13. Scottish dish made from ground offal.=Haggis
14. Dutch egg, meat and bread dish used to sober up drunks. =can't helpyer.
(Probably only Irv will know this).
Correct on #6.
#14 would drive me to more drink!
Be sure to tell the story behind the word.
You got Ouzo for #1 first.
I guess cherry heering is also OK for #10, but I was thinking of kirsch.
#11: probably wrong; at least I had something else in mind.
All of the others are correct, but not first. Nevertheless, great job-as usual.
What a nice reply. You would have gotten it if Irv hadn't chimed in.
Irv
Right on #14, of course, and your spelling is correct. We had many of them together at the Art and Curios, if I remember correctly. The story will follow when all the guesses are in, but you could probably tell it better than I can.
No, it's your story... I learned it from you, after all.
And my second attempt is the correct spelling.
(11)"Frying" in boiling sugar was a semantic worry. Sugared almonds "confetti" are, as I'm sure you know, very much part of Italian festivities.
In fact, maddened by the description I looked up several gastronomic dictionaries but was stymied.
Were you thinking "MARZIPAN"? You didn't say ground almonds.
Blame my husband for Heering. I would have put Kirsch.
No way I could have gotten 'uitsmijter'. Sounds like 'getting something out'?
I had praline in mind. I am sure you are right, Candide, in your assertion. Tell your husband I love cherry heering.
SnowOwl beat me by a breath.
Your "getting something out" was getting hot. You would have gotten it eventually, though I am not sure that "uitsmijter" is in Dutch dictionaries.
I was told the story behind uitsmijter by a Dutch friend who introduced me to it during my first visit to Indonesia. The term for the dish may even have originated in Indonesia.
The Dutch colonials in Indonesia had a great passion for booze and frequently drank too much. If it happened at the Harmonie, which was the elite Dutch club, they were given the dish we are discussing to sober them up. They were then escorted out of the club, or if they resisted, they were bounced out. Thus the dish got the name "uitsmijter" which means being tossed out. You see how close you were, Pak hashke.
I recently had a very good uitsmijter at a small Dutch hotel in Vancouver, B.C. It was even listed on the menu in the hotel's small restaurant as uitsmijter. I introduced my granddaughter to it at that Vancouver gourmet restaurant, and she loved it.
That's great!
I related Dutch 'uits' to Deutsch 'aus' and guessed, wrongly, that the rest of the verb referred to a gastronomic upheaval. I didn't mean to insult what sounds like an interesting dish.
That's a nice piece of culinary trivia to add to my collection. Thank you. I went searching for Uitsmijter, but as the only references to it I could find were all in Dutch I didn't learn very much. I did find the English version of a menu from a restaurant in Amsterdam which has it listed as "Bouncers' Bread", which is rather nice I think.
I'm sorry I misread you earlier. Bobotie is a South African dish, consisting of a layer of minced meat, seasoned with a variety of things including curry powder and ground almonds, topped with a thin egg custard layer. It sounds horrible, but is actually very tasty.
Or, better said, a splachnic Kristallnacht.
First course: Cheese soufflé - to show they could and they'd been to France.
Second course: Moussaka - to show they'd heard of it and they might have been to Greece.
Third course: Chocolate mousse - to show they'd been to France and you could make it in advance.
Cheese AFTER dessert.
Then chocolate mints were served with coffee.
Or, among the Russians, Mamashka's , zakuski, Aleksandr Aleksandrovich's maslinitsy, served with bows from the hip, washed back with multiple straight vodka toasts (na zdorovye!) table round, then borshch, meat, cheese, eggs -- or was it meat then borshch? -- next pesnyi, shutki, pobol'she vodki (more vodka), sladki, and whatever in-between. Finally, late on, a game or two of ziggy-zagggery chess (shakhmaty and thence (thence?) to bed.
The next morning cat on the back was supposedly cured, not by the venerable uitsmijte, but by drams of konyak, chugged clean...chem bolish', tem lichish' -- cure yourself with what made you sqiffysick.
The gastronomic world has never been the same.
I once contributed to a communal meal at the house of a politically correct and gastronomically savage friend in what was basically a German household. My contribution was a particularly delicate and wonderful version of tortelli di zucca made laboriously by me. A Ukrainian woman had made pelmeni-equally laboriously. I had asked my friend whether I should bring a large pot. She said "No need".
Anyway, my friend had prepared meat and three veg. Before I could stop her she CRAMMED my tortelli into a tiny saucepan of COLD water and slowly and sadly brought them to a vigorous boil. I believe the same thing happened to the pelmeni. They were served heaped up on a plate with the meat and three veg, which was just as well because they had become a tragedy and a disgrace. The Ukrainian and I exchanged glances. I didn't weep.
The Ukrainian woman's daughter can produce enough food for 100 when she invites two guest-na zdorovye! indeed.
I thought of one more jazz flutist (and I cannot believe this didn't come immediately to mind).....Rahsaan Roland Kirk.
BTW, today I bought a CD of the Birth of the Cool, with both the recording and the club dates, and found another out-of-the-way instrument, played by two different guys (I presume one on each occasion): Junior Collins and Sandy Siegelstein. Can you name the instrument. 
I've been listening to it some, tonight, and I'm damned if I can pick the horn out. I think I hear it and then it seems to be the trombone. Maybe it was only used as part of a brass chorus, or something (the group is six horns, and bass-piano-drums), yhough most everyone else gets at least a brief solo turn. I'll have to try again when the situation's better. (Too much wodka, tonight.)
1. Curve relating tax yields and tax rates.
2. Curve relating inflation rate and unemployment rate.
3. Foreign country using US currency as legal tender.
4. Most widely used price index in US.
5. Interest rate at which banks borrow from each other.
6. Effect of change in investment on GNP.
7. Deflatioinary effects of growing full employment budget surplus.
8. Curve on which investment equals savings.
9. Curve on which money demand equals money supply.
10. Increase in domestic currency price of foreign exchange.
Both 1 and 4 correct.
3. Liberia?
5. Federal funds (discount) rate?
10. appreciation?
That's all I can guess at.
Right on #2 and #5.
My #3 was badly worded. What I meant is what is this phenomenon called? BTW, Liberia doesn't have it.
Wrong on #9 and #10.
and Mexico and probably many others.
As I said in Message # 5315, what is this phenomenon of using US dollars called?
Well, then Professor . ...I call it TRADE.
Dollarization is correct.
Thoughtful
On the Fed funds rate, I let it slide since the guess was pretty good for a (presumed) non-economist.
On #7, the answer is "Fiscal Drag" and I think what I gave is a very standard definition.
On #10, I meant what do we call the rising cost of foreign exchange in domestic currency. Indiana Jones said appreciation, but the correct answer is just the opposite of that.
Although, as far as I know, Liberia is the only country outside the US where the dollar has been legal tender. I think they minted their own one dollar coin, but otherwise it was Fed money.
I may be wrong. Panama in the early days?
"The effect of inflation on average or effective tax rates. Thus under an unindexed progressive income tax system the effective tax rate is increased when money incomes increase even though real incomes may not be increasing. This is because income earners are pushed into income brackets where high marginal rates apply."
The way I read the question, I thought you were referring to the contractionary effects of any shrinking fiscal deficit/rising fiscal surplus on the aggregate economy, which I think is referred to as fiscal restraint.
There are many countries where the US dollar is legal tender. Liberia has its own currency, the Liberian dollar which is fixed at a rate of 1 to 1 with the US dollar. However, the black market is very different, around 25-30 to 1.
Liberia is known as a semi-officially dollarized country, and its monetary system is known as a bimonetary system. It has its own central bank.
Correct on depreciation.
Thoughtful
My understanding is that the full employment budget surplus increase is the basic cause of the phenomena you mention, including the higher tax bracket effect.
Here is a definition of fiscal drag from Dornbusch and Fisher, Macroeconomics:
"The restraining influence on aggregate demand implied by a fixed level of government spending and a given tax structure in a growing economy, and the resultant increase in the full employment surplus, is called FISCAL DRAG." (Fiscal drag is in italics).
What is you understanding of the term "legal tender" and can you name some of the many countries where the US dollar is such?
I was using legal tender in the usual sense, currency which must be legally accepted when tendered. In practice this means the government has declared the US dollar to be legal tender where dollarization occurs.
I will get back to you on the countries as I check for as complete a list as possible.
I look forward to your post but I'm about to retire so possibly I won't read it until tomorrow. In the meantime, my understanding of dollarization entails two scenarios:
1. A market response to hyperinflation. Prices are fixed in dollars and the dollar is normally accepted as payment but it is not legal tender. I saw this in Israel in the mid 80's.
2. Government pegs the exchange rate at 1:1 to the dollar as is the case in Argentina. Again, the dollar is accepted but it is not legal tender.
I'm sure ProfE can shed more light on this as, as I recall, we did not need to exchange US$ in Bermuda.
I fail to see your point. What we are discussing is countries where the US Dollar is legal tender, meaning that shop keepers, government bodies and what have you are obliged by law to accept it as payment.
I might mention that the D-mark is legal tender in Montenegro.
You are right in pointing out that there are many different types and degrees of dollarization. These issues and the countries using different types of dollarization are listed in the source below. Table 2 shows "many" with full dollarization, where dollars or other basic currencies are legal tender.
http://www.senate.gov/~jec/basics.htm
What threw me in your question was your use of the term "deflationary" as the primary effect is on aggregate demand.
Sorry that my wording misled you. We were obviously both in the same ballpark (not the Kingdome).
Also, from your Table 2 in the link, so nice to know that the US is listed as officially dollarized!
Here is the article I referred to earlier, but was too busy (read lazy) to properly link earlier.
Exactly. Good going.
Thanks for finishing the quiz. I thought that those two curves were among the first relationships learned in EcI (Macro).
You can add Ecuador to the list of officially dollarized countries. That just happened recently, too late to be included in the report I linked in 5333 and 5337. You can expect more Latin American countries to follow suit soon.
This is the kind of thing I thought was meant by dollarizing--out with the sucres in with the dollars. ProfE, that link was enlightening. Thanks.
Glad to have my recollection confirmed. I read that news somewhere a few weeks ago, but had forgotten where. So Ecuador is now the most populous fully dollarized country with a population of 12.5 million compared to Panama's 2.8 million.
On this day......
1. In 1492, Jews were expelled by Catholic leaders of this country. Name the Country and its the leaders.
2. In 1854, Commodore Perry opened up Japanese trade with the US by signing this treaty. Name the treaty.
3. In 1811, this fellow was born who would later "set the science world on fire" or shall we say he was "hot stuff" with his invention which was named for him -- something a lot of us were introduced to in science classes.
4. Born in 1935, while no ER or Chicago Hope, he was one of early TV's Docs. Name the actor and the show. Bonus points -- there was a competing Doc show aired that same season...name that actor and that show.
5. Confounding sensible people, who can't see why lopping an inch off one end of a candle and adding it to the other end somehow makes you better off, this was instituted in 1918.
6. In 1959, the Dalai Lama fled Chinese suppression and began his exile. To where did he flee? What year was he given the Nobel Peace prize?
7. In 1732, composer Franz Joseph Haydn was born, called the father of the symphony. True or False .... he even used children's toys as instruments in his compositions.
8. In 1836, the first installment of this Dickens classic was published. What was the complete name of the work and under what name was it published?
9. In 1932, the Ford motor company first revealed this engine design, which is still in production today. Name it.
10. In 1889, the Eiffel Tower was opened to the public. How tall is it? On what other famous landmark did Eiffel consult?
9. V8?
10. Statue of Liberty?
#8 Pickwick Papers is the usual name, still need the full name.
#9 is correct with the V-8 (not the kind you drink, either!)
#10 is the statue of liberty -- still need the height of the tower.
Happy Birthday, Thoughtful
Questions still outstanding:
#2; #4 Actor who played Ben Casey; #8 Full name of Pickwick papers; #10 height of the Eiffel tower.
10. Don't know exactly how tall, but I believe the Eiffel Tower is slightly over 900 feet. I'll say 925 feet tall. Eiffel also consulted on the Panama Canal, I think.
The statue of liberty is the other landmark I had in mind as Eiffel helped design the interior structure of the statue...but that answer was already given by Indiana Jones.
#8 question remains: The full name of the Pickwick Papers....extra credit for Dickens' pseudonym they were published under.
Alice: How old are they?
Bob: If you multiply their ages you get 36.
Alice: I need another clue.
Bob: The sum of their ages is (censored).
Alice: Still another needed.
Bob: The youngest is a boy.
Alice: OK, got it.
How old are the kids?
Answer in white:
6, 6, and 1. The key word is the youngest, as that product and sum combination could also lead to 9, 2, and 2, in which case there'd be no youngest.
The 3/31 in History Quiz is officially closed.
Thanks everyone.
I don't get how you can figure it out without knowing the "censored" sum information. There are several 3 number combinations that have products of 36 with only one lowest age (9,2,2 6,3,2 18,2,1 12,3,1 9,4,1 ...). And of course, since we are obviously using integers, it is quite possible to have two children that are both two years old, even excluding the possibility of twins (siblings that are 3 years, 1 month, and 3 years, 11 months, would both be "3").
While there are several possibilities for the ages, there are 2 which add up to the same total. Since the total by itself was not enough information, the answer must be one of those two.
I suppose, although it's rare after the demise of primogeniture to refer to one twin as being older than the other.
No. And insulting.
Not intentional.
At the risk of digging myself deeper—Copenhagen?
CalGal is right about Jerusalem.
Yes, Smyrna is (was) in Turkey. And you have the right feeling for 10. Clue: Capital of semi-independent part.
2.Aix = Aix-en-Provence
3.Al Quds = Jerusalem
4.Breslau = Wroclaw
5.Christiania = Oslo
6.Karl Marxstadt + Chemnitz
7.Pressburg = Pilsen (?)
8.Smyrna = Izmir
9.Sverdlovsk = Ykaterinburg
10.Titograd = Podgorice
1.Adrianople = Edirne Yes. (Turkey, European part)
2.Aix = Aix-en-Provence No
3.Al Quds = Jerusalem Yes. But CalGal had it first.
4.Breslau = Wroclaw Yes. West Poland which was German pre-WWI
5.Christiania = Oslo Yes
6.Karl Marxstadt = Chemnitz Yes. Former East Germany.
7.Pressburg = Pilsen (?) No
8.Smyrna = Izmir Yes. Turkey, west coast.
9.Sverdlovsk = Ykaterinburg Yes. Russia. Where Yeltsin comes from.
10.Titograd = Podgorice Yes. Montenegro
If you are thinking Aix = Aachen, then it should be Aix-la-Chapelle.
And where the Tsar and his family perished.
Pressburg=Bratislava is right.
Yes I was thinking of Aix=Aachen. In history books (at least the ones I've read) the full name Aix-la-Chapelle is seldom used.
Do you work in a library?
No. Geography was one of my favorite classes in school, and i am fascinated by maps.
Civil War Battles: Alternative Names
1) Manassas
2) Pittsburg Landing
3) Murfreesboro
4) Sharpsburg
2.Shiloh?
?
4.Antietam?
(I may have 2 and 4 reversed)
Correct (as far as it goes).
Very impressive.
Cheese TV:
The following quiz is about TV shows I watched, or didn't watch but heard about, as an adolescent (the eighties). NOTE: Many of these shows were cancelled, quickly. Note also that these shows are largely horrific.
1) Who "didn't come here to lose"?
2) Which TV detectives operated in San Diego, then later in Las Vegas?
3) What was Colt Seavers' DUAL occupation?
4) What tv sitcom featured an obnoxious lounge singer named Sonny?
5) What sitcom featured "Cosmic Cow"?
6) What short-lived sitcom featured Martin Short as a lawyer?
7) On what sitcom did Jim Carrey begin?
8) What NBC sci-fi series featured a lizard fighting other lizards?
9) What NBC comedy sci-fi series featured a plant life-form named Ficus?
10) What was Chrissy's full name on Three's Company?
11) What bar did they frequent on Three's Company?
12) Complete the title of this short-lived series: "The Powers of Matthew _____"
13) Name both cities Laverne and Shirley was set in.
14) Name the collossally embarassing NBC variety show features two Japanese singers and an American stand-up.
15) Name Fred Silverburg's collossal failure featuring an incredibly huge and luxurious train.
Fred Silverman, maybe. Big head-honcho at NBC during the disasterous late seventies and early eighties.
15. Wasn't it "Atomic Train"?
13. Milwaukee was one.
8. V?
2. Starsky and Hutch?
5-- TCFC, right
15 -- no, not atomic train
13 -- right, milwaulkee was one, but not the only. incomplete answer
8 -- yes, V
2 -- no, not S&H
7) He was in one before In Living Color--a cartoonist, or something.
10)Snow
12)Star
13) I think they moved to LA later.
3) Stunt man and bounty hunter -- correct
7) He was in one before In Living Color--a cartoonist, or something. ummm, not an answer
10)Snow --full name-- first and last. incomplete
12)Star -- correct, but I think it was "Starr"
5402. CalGal - 4/10/00 4:04:59 PM
9) Is that the one with Richard Benjamin? Can't think of the name. -- yes, but need name
13) I think they moved to LA later. -- correct
right
Yuhp on all.
Jones--
No. SS was a movie with Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor and Patrick MacGoohan doing his typical wonderful turn as an educated villain.
correct on both.
I should pause here to sarcastically thank the little Ohios for being toddlers in the 80's and causing me to stay home and watch so much bad TV.
yup. It's a Living/retitled Making a Living for reasons I never understood.
1. What is the name of the character played by Melody Patterson? (Asked, but I don't think answered, in the Cafe)
2. What Eastern city is Corporal Agarn's home town?
3. What famous battle did one character repeatedly claim to have participated in?
4. What is the name of the fort?
5. What is the name of the Indian tribe, and what is the derivation of the name?
6. Identify the two landmarks on the trail from the fort to the Indians' camp.
7. What was Captain Parmenter's impressive nickname, at least according to Sergeant O'Rourke?
The answers to my quiz:
1) Who "didn't come here to lose"? According to the theme song of the mid-eighties remake series, "Maverick didn't come here to lose." With James Garner. Surprised Cal didn't get that.
10) What was Chrissy's full name on Three's Company? -- Christmas Snow. Yuhp, that was her name.
5. Hekawi, or something like that.
4) Correct: Fort Courage
5) "Hekawi" (I don't know spelling either, even if name was ever spelled) is correct. What's the derivation? (It's a long, dumb - not even funny dumb, just dumb - joke.)
Gotta go now - I'll check in later to grade your papers.
...I wonder what she looks like today with 35 years tacked on the pretty face ?
And it was Alan Hale, JUNIOR who played the Skipper.
Melody Patterson
... You guys just had to get me to thinkin' bout her,huh ?
She's a must to avoid
A complete impossibility
She's a must to avoid
Better take it from me
You think she's a prize at the start
But take my advice, play it smart
She's nothing buttrouble
better cut out on the double
before she gets into your heart
She's a must to avoid
A complete impossibility
She's a must to avoid
better take it from me
When you stare into herpretty blue eyes
there's no way to see through her disguise
But don't try to love her,
cause you'll quickly discover
you're trap in the web of her lies
She's a must to avoid
a complete impossibility
She's a must to avoid
better take it from me
Herlipslook inviting, it's true
But lots of other guys have felt like you do
She'll build up your hopes, and when you need her the most
that's when she'll say goodbye to you
She's a must to avoid
a complete impossibility
She's a must to avoid
better take it from me ...
G'night !
So we can move on, here are the answers:
1. Wrangler Jane
2. Passaic, New Jersey
3. The Alamo (Duffy: "There we were, me and Davy Crockett. Cannonballs to the left of us. Cannonballs to the right . . .")
4. Fort Courage
5. The Heckowee (phonetic spelling) (Derivation too lame to bother with - I withdraw the question.)
6. 1. Rock that look like bear. 2. Bear that look like rock.
7. "The Scourge of the West"
Everybody has to be from somewhere, so what states claim these sets as their own?
1. Lewis Powell, Sam Snead, Ella Fitzgerald
2. Warren Burger, Sinclair Lewis, Bob Dylan
3. Billy Sunday, Bix Beiderbeck, Herbert Hoover
4. Tia Carrere, Konishiki
5. Hubert Humphrey, Tom Brokaw, Sparky Anderson
6. Walter Chysler, Amelia Earhart, Stan Kenton
7. Tommy Tune, Robert Raucenberg, Alvin Ailey
8. Orson Welles, Georgia O'Keefe, Harry Houdini
10. Humphrey Bogart, Jimmy Cagney, Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Zeppo, and Gummo
10. New York
8. Wisconsin
5. North Dakota
3. New Jersey
3,5,7,and 9 remain.
What, you guys are spooked by odd numbers?
The text reads Et custos et pugnax (A preserver and a champion)
This badge (which is geneuine)has a connection to an oldtime, generally well-liked Motie.
Who?
And pure guess-work will not be recognised, which I should have said from the start.
So: who and how?
Okay, how about some more hints?
I bet Sweetie is stern too. People are just now coming on line. Let's give them a chance. I'm going into siesta mode. When I get back I'll start providing hints if needed.
Heehee. He has to be.
and i'll admit it, i don't know which state jayhawks are from.
A little clue. Dorothy was a Jayhawk.
The text reads Et custos et pugnax (A preserver and a champion)
This badge (which is geneuine)has a connection to an oldtime, generally well-liked Motie.
Heavy Hint No 1
The badge is the insignia of a Scottish clan
Oh, I started to post but got interrupted. I know the answer, but I'll let others guess.
Heavy Hint No 2
This gentleman is an Internationalist but is known to post freely in other threads too.
The badge belongs to the Scottish clan Marjoribanks.
Here is another one:
What is trichotillomania said to afflict 6-8 million women in the US?
And one more for Wombat:
Before the Reformation, the city of Nidaros was an important pilgrimage place in nothern Europe.
Current name?
Trondheim (Trondhjem), Norway?
Here is my favorite Scottish clan crest. 
On the right track but what kind of obsession?
Then this is the site for you.
I've seen that one, and this one as well.
Name the only 5-letter English word with which you can do the following:
In all CAP letters, you can write this word, then turn your paper around 180 degrees, and the word reads the same.
My disclaimer here is that I heard this quiz, and although the answer definitely works, I cannot verify that it is the ONLY word with which one can do this.
Also, no proper nouns and such. This words is a very common English word, 5 letters long.
hm.
znc = and. Hand positio, Diva, hand position.
Never mind.
I think it's Lou Brock.
I figured this one would last a while. I really hope you actually figured it out as opposed to already knowing it from before, because you just ruined my day!
Irv, I was doing the same thing when I heard the question, thinking of H, X, S, I and O. I never thought of M and W.
SWIMS is the answer.
Yeah, for some reason I had it in my head that the letters had to read the same forward and backwards, too. N and Z would also work. I'll bet there are other words which fit.
Considering all movie titles ever made in English, after the word "love," what word is the most frequently used word in movie titles?
And it isn't "the" or "and" or a word like that, but is a "substantive" word.
but unfortunately false.
For odds answers, "love" is a possibility (Love, strange Love, and Love After Love). But I don't think that's it.
"You" is a possibility.
"Money" is a better guess.
Darkhorse nominee: A tie between "police" and "academy."
Some words that indicate a movie probably won't be any good: "blood," "brain," Roman numerals > II, "spit," "Titanic" (jest kiddin').
The secret is to leave the sound turned off and just watch the sets, props, costumes, and special effects. The boiler room is awesome. And the classic Renault is a true museum piece.
All that trite dialogue and tiresome music interferes with a great guy movie.
They said on the radio that the answer was produced from the movie titles of all English-language movies ever made this century. The answer is
drum rol please
"Paris!"
Yes, I know, a bit of a strange answer.
BTW, I liked the movie Titanic very much.
I'm skeptical, but I'm not a movie expert, so perhaps someone can tell me if i did something wrong: I went to the IMDb, and searched for "love" (no jokes, please).
The first time, I got 3800 or so hits. I searched the page for the word "paris" and got zero hits. Now, note that a search only display the first 800 hits. I searched subsequent pages, and got a hit on Love in Paris.
Searching on both words simultaneously also yields "Love in Paris", but nothing else.
What gives?
If you look at Kuligin's original question, he is asking for the second most common word in movie titles, after love (which is the undisputed first place winner).
I went to the IMDb, and searched for "love" (no jokes, please)
I can't resist. You're looking for love in all the wrong places.
Paris = 431 movies (+ 16 tv movies + 6 made for video movies)
day = 655 movies (+ 72 tv movies + 10 made for video movies)
night = 598 movies (+ 63 tv movies + 11 made for video movies)
story = 494 movies (+ 206 tv movies + 9 made for video movies)
Paris is surprisingly high, but doesn't appear to be the winner.
Ouch. I badly misread it. I thought it was looking for a word following love in a movie title. Like, Love in Paris.
But I have good company. DocBrown seemed to interpret it the same way.
I'm shocked it didn't rate higher.
The cathedral there houses the relics of St Olaf who converted the Norwegians by the sword. He is one of only two Scandinavian saints
There is at least one other Scandinavian saint (Denmark is part of Scandinavia, remember?): Nicolaus Steno/Niels Steensen
A remarkable man who got a lousy treatment from his fellow Danes.
I don't know what the IMDB is, so if someone could clue me in, thanks! (Come to think of it, probably something like "International Movie Data Base, which makes me wonder if the data base is limited to English movies or ALL movies of any national origin).
Location and (Pronunciation)
1. City in Arizona (Too' sahn)
2. City in New York (Skuh neck' tuh dee)
3. River in Pennsylvania (Skool' kill)
4. Capital of Florida (Tal uh ha' see)
5. City in Ohio (Sin si nat' ee)
6. City in New Mexico (Al' buh kerr key)
7. City in New York (Puh kip' see)
8. River in Arkansas (Wash i toe)
9. City in Michigan (Ip suh lan' tee)
10. City in Illinois (Care' o)
11. City in New Mexico (Too' kum ka ree)
12. City in Minnesota (Buh midge' ee)
13. City in Massachusetts (Woo' ster)
14. Capital of Iowa (Duh moin')
15. River in Virginia (Rap uh han' uk)
16. City in Iowa (Sue City )
17. City in Pennsylvania (Doo' cane)
18. Capital of South Dakota (Peer)
19. City in Tennessee (Chat uh new' gah)
20. City in Pennsylvania (Brin mar')
21. City in Michigan (Sue Saint Maree)
22. City in Indiana (Val' puh rye zo)
23. City in Iowa (Duh bewk' )
24. Eastern mountain range (Ap uh lay' chin )
25. Mountains in Pennsylvania (Al uh gay' nee)
26. County in New York (Al uh gay' nee)
27. City in Maine (Ca' llus)
28. City in Pennsylvania (Bal a kin' wood)
29. Lake in Idaho (Pon' duh ray')
30. National momument in Arizona (Canyon de Shay)
A total of 20 correct answers is good. 25 or more is super.
I don't think that Nicolaus and Canute are saints in the formal meaning of the word. Check here.
jonesatlaw
Yes, I had forgotten about St Catherine. Her mother, St Bridget, is the more famous one. The status of St Ingrid is doubtful. It seems she was deemed worthy but that the formal canonization never took place.
Answers to Geograpy Spelling Quiz:
1. Tucson
2. Schenectady
3. Schuylkill
4. Tallahassee
5. Cincinnati
6. Albuquerque
7. Poughkeepsie
8. Ouachita
9. Ypsilanti
10. Cairo
11. Tucumcari
12. Bemidji
13. Worcester
14. Des Moines
15. Rappahannock
16. Sioux City
17. Duquesne
18. Pierre
19. Chattanooga
20. Bryn Mawr
21. Sault Saint Marie
22. Valparaiso
23. Dubuque
24. Appalachian
25. Allegheny
26. Allegany
27. Calais
28. Bala Cynwyd
29. Pend Oreille
30. Canyon de Chelly
done.
Good to see you back here again. I wasn't sleeping when you posted your quiz, but working.
Without checking the answers, here are my attempts (incuding 5 I'm not familair with):
1. Tucson
2. Schenectady
3. Schuykill
4. Tallahassee
5. Cincinnati
6. Albuquerque
7. Poughkeepsie
8. ?? - River in Arkansas (Wash i toe)
9. Ypsilanti
10. Cairo
11. ?? - City in New Mexico (Too' kum ka ree)
12. Bemidji
13. Worcester
14. Des Moines
15. Rappahannock
16. Sioux City
17. Duquesne
18. Pierre
19. Chattanooga
20. Bryn Mawr
21. Sault Ste. Marie
22. Valparaiso
23. Dubuque
24. Appalachian
25. Allegheny
26. ?? - County in New York (Al uh gay' nee)
27. Calais
28. ?? - City in Pennsylvania (Bal a kin' wood)
29. Pend Oreille
30. ?? - National momument in Arizona (Canyon de Shay)
It just shows what I've missed by never visiting the cultural center of the USA in Arkansas.
I don't think there is any doubt as to St. Canute's status, even if your link doesn't have him.
"His people having revolted on account of the cruelties of certain tax-collectors, Canute retired to the island of Funen. There, in the church of St. Alban, after due preparation for death, the king, his brother Benedict, and seventeen others were surrounded and slain, 10 July, 1086. His feast is 19 January, translation, 10 July; his emblems, a lance or arrows, in memory of the manner of his death. "
Concerning Steno, ("saintly bishop") I looked him up in a handy lexicon which says that he was beatified in 1988. Normal procedure is to become saint later.
28. Bala Cynwyd
30. Canyon de Chelly
Chani
10) What does 'brenschluss' mean?
Cease firing. Going ballistic.
13) Who is Milo Minderbinder?
Officer in Catch-22
15) Where is the primary setting of Love in the Time of Cholera?
Chile.
18) What was the Wildfire Project?
In Andromeda Strain, it was a biological warfare project.
I just turned on bookmarks, and didn't realize that I was at the top of the thread. Just ignore anything that comes out with my name on it.
And I was beginning to think that network TV had completely stamped out America's regional dialects. For what it's worth, I was born in DC, lived a few years in the South and am now hard at work refining a thin-lipped Texas drawl. Thus, I am eminently qualified to mispronounce anybody's town. So there.
What was the name of the narrator of these stories?
1. The Great Gatsby
2. The Murder on the Links
3. The Military Philosophers
4. On the Road
5. Red Wind
6. The Razors Edge
1) Nick Carraway
6. Maugham?
5. Red Wind -- I think the answer you're looking for is Phillip Marlowe.
I think the story was rewritten later as a marlowe story, but I remember it having a different protagonist originally. It was written before Marlowe was created.
Ooh. I know I have heard where "the whole nine yards" came from. As I recall, it is military, and refers to the amount of ammunition which could be loaded into a machine gun or a bomber, or something.
I am going to guess that "the whole nine yards" is naval jargon referring to letting out the "the whole nine *square* yards" of sail.
Which is occasionally dangerous, and which makes you go fast.
1. Correct. But that was a gimme.
2. Capt. Arthur Hastings is right.
6. Somerset Maugham is right. Have you actually read it or did you just watch the movie with Tyrone Power.
Ace-
5. Phillip Marlowe is correct.
The Whole Nine yards:
Adjusting my guess... either nine square yards or nine linear yards of sail-length on a 27-30 ft mast.
Actually, I can't even stand watching the movie. But I think Herbert Marshall is very cool, and I know that he played Maugham in the 46 version. I couldn't figure what Maugham would be doing in the story other than narrating, so I guessed.
"Hm. I always thought it referred to a football team going the full distance for a first down. But then that'd be ten yards, wouldn't it?"
Yes it would. Going the "whole nine yards" in football is failure. Nine yards gives you a punt.
" cement mixers (at least used to) have 9 cubic yards capacity. In asking for the whole 9, you were asking for the whole thing."
I was thinking a long these lines, but referring to nine cubic yards of WOOD.
How much wood is in a chord, anyway?
Hah, hah. But wood is measured by the "chord," right? I remember my dad buying "chords" of firewood.
'cord', darlin'.
Chord, cord. C'mon. Gimme a break here. Don't sneer at me with your limousine liberal scorn. I'm just a workin' man. A simple man.
Main Entry: 1cord
Pronunciation: 'kord
Function: noun
4 : a unit of wood cut for fuel equal to a stack 4 x 4 x 8 feet or 128 cubic feet 
Incidentally, Diva, according to the dictionary's etymology, "Chord" and "Cord" are essentially the same word; "chord" was corrupted from "cord" in the fifteenth century.
So, looking at it from a certain Medieval point of view, I'm right and you're an idiot.
Snob.
Bite me.
You're such an elitist. You sneer at my poor, simple country-folk ways.
Now maybe I don't know as much about firewood as you fancified cityfolk, but damn it, a man's gots his pride.
Look, I might be jes a poor, humble New Yorker, but I knows the difference betweens rights and wrongs.
And it's wrongs to mock a poor, humble simple man jes because he don't know the grammitikly proper way t' spell "chord."
PS, I don't make four times what you do. Not by a frickin' long shot.
Mainly I gets paid in chickens. That's what we simple New Yorkers do. We don't need your newfangled "money."
A man with a chicken's got somethin' to eat. A man with a pocketful of paper bills gots nothing at all.
4. Sal Paradise.
"try putting a chicken in a coke machine and see what you get."
Snobbery.
Coke Machines take chickens here in New York, for cryin' out loud. Chickens is legal tender.
Tasty tender, too.
(I'll leave now.)
Only we call them poulets.
In Ace's case.
(I hope they don't notice the premature us, but I can't wait to get back.)
As if a patch o bare dirt ain't good enough.
At all costs.
As if a patch o bare dirt ain't good enough.
I 've heard two versions of the origin of "the whole nine yards". Apparently, there are (or were) cement trucks that loaded nine cubic yards of cement (or possibly chickens). But the account going back the farthest is that some World War 2 US fighter planes carried ammunition belts that measured 27 feet long when laid out on the tarmac. So if a pilot used all of his ammo, he fired off the whole nine yards, that is, everything. So, that's the semi-official winner. Semi-official Congratulations to Rask and Spence.
Diva's comment on "five-by-five" opens up a whole 'nother subject. That refers to large humanoids (as in 5 feet tall and 5 feet wide). The "five by five" I had in mind is completely unrelated. It also dates from WW2. Some communications gear in those days used an oscilloscope to judge reception. The displays on the scope contained a grid of lines to measure the signal. The grid looked like a tic-tic-toe board with 25 squares. Perfect reception displayed as a big circle. So you were doing well to get "five-by-five" reception. So "five-by-five" came to mean excellent or A-OK.
Dare I say that I'm pleased to have triggered such an entertaining (?!) exchange afterward. Too fun.
This morning I recall something I should have remembered yesterday. My wife once spent some weeks at a missionary station in southern Zimbabwe. The wife of the pastor there was commonly known as "5X5" due to her body build.
That's funny! Is Zimbabwe an English-speaking country? That is, a former British colony? I'd be amazed if 5x5 crossed over into French or anything else.
Could you drop me a line at this
Oops. Let me try that again. this address.
Who are these people? 
Source 
Punctuate the following statement so that it becomes true:
560 = 600
5:60 = 6:00? (referring to 60 minutes in an hour?)
You can do the same thing with minutes of a degree of angle, but I can't find the degree symbol. That would make it:
5 degrees 60' = 6 degrees 00'
By the same token:
5.6*0=6.0*0
Or any other ones where both are mulitplied by 0.
Punctuate the following sentence:
John while James had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher
I'll post the answer tomorrow.
That works. I had a simpler solution in mind. Imagine a signmaker for a pub called "The Bull and Boar." After the sign is completed, the pub ownner complains "You left too much space between "The Bull" and "and" and "and" and "Boar."
Over a distance of 10 meters (about 11 yards), which of the following is fastest, starting from a complete stop:
a) a sprinter
b) a racing car
c) a racing bicycle
d) a racing motorcycle
e) a rider on horseback
I saw the actual race, and it wasn't even close.
As a bonus, which is slowest (again, by a significant margin)?
And slowest as the bicycle.
All wrong.
That should narrow it down a bit.
I guessed the horse, too, and was surprised at the outcome.
Even in this race, the horse beat the car, from a standstill, but neither won the race.
I think the racing motorcycle should be the winner but at 11 yards the sprinter can probably get it by a nose. The horse doesn't start as fast as a sprinter neither do cars or bicycles.
Bicycles should be the slowest at the start in this race.
It the order as simple as increasing mass? (Bot in general, but in this instance)?
Sprinter
horse
motorcycle
car
bicycle
Motorcycle
Bicycle
Horse
Car
The horse was second.
The bicycle and motorcycle tied for third.
The car had barely got past the starting line when the race finished.
I think Dusty's generalization is basically true, but the horse was an exception.
some street cars can get 0-60 in as little as 6 seconds. The old Chevelle SS comes to mind.
Bikes started in a higher gear take forever to get up to speed.
It was only 10 meters, and the whole thing was over in about 3 seconds. A car takes that long to get moving from a standstill. A bicycle or motorcycle can be pushed off manually to gain immediate momentum.
In a race this short, the most important factor may have been that the sprinter was the only one who didn't have to operate/command a machine or animal, so the reaction time was significantly shortened. The horse, the cars, and the bikes had to be told/made to go. The sprinter skipped that step.
In 10 meters, the relative speed of the runner/horse/vehicle is irrelevant. It's all about acceleration.
Clearly, the space shuttle rocket, a locomotive, and a plane would all be slower than a human, over the first ten meters, but all would have higher terminal velocity.
In fact, a better ordering would be the reverse of terminal velocity. (lest anyone protest, the fastest horse is around 30 mph, based upon yesterday's derby, and bicycles easily get well-beyond that.)
If a horse and a fast human were standing in a field and a predator suddenly appeared, I'd be surprised if the human outsprinted the horse even over the first 10 meters. (And if the predator was a cheetah suddenly accelerating from a nearby hiding place, I bet it could catch a human before he or she had gone 10 meters!)
A turtle certainly throws a monkey wrench into my theory.
Suppose it is only limited to those things intended to go fast.
Despite the fable, I'll bet a hare would beat a human over ten meters. (Actually this doesn't violate the fable, as the message implicitly related to long events.)
A bird would be even faster.
This isn't an arguement per-say. I believe the test results are true.
5, 6, 8, 9, 13, 15, 16, 18, 19, 25, 26...?
Not quite. Only three removed although, to my surprise, MW recognizes "thru".
Are there any numbers in English whose letters are in alphabetical order?
Forty.
Forty is correct and it's the only one.
6 to 8: 2
9 to 13: 4
16 to 18: 2
19 to 25: 6
2,4,2,6, . . .
The next number in this sequence could be 4 (going back to 2 by twos before starting over again) or simply 2.
If it's two, the next number is 26+2, i.e. 28.
Of course you can. But just you.
On the bright side, I'm probably wrong.
28,29,30,31...
Numbers whith an "i" in them
>>The next number in this sequence could be 4 (going back to 2 by twos before starting over again) or simply 2.
Your rule is a little fuzzy but both cases are incorrect.
5, 6, 8, 9, 13
15,16,18,19,23
25,26,...
then I looked back to see what came after the five/six sequence before and it's always the 8 so you get 28 then 29, 33, 35, 36, 38. The only problem would be that we didn't start with 3 which is the first number in the series but I figured that was just to throw things off a bit.
Good job, that's right. Only Question 1 remains.
I may have to go with Dusty on this one.
Question 1 queue?
Even though there's a fudge factor in your answer, it's always interesting to see the creative ideas that pop up as solutions to quiz questions. I actually shortened the sequence by a couple of numbers from the original puzzle because you guys are so good. Now I see why they were in there -- to force only the one solution.
That's correct. There's at least one more but it's not a common word.
I can see that it takes a few more to limit it to one clear answer.
Ironically, I got onto the right track when I was troubled by it starting as high as 5.
Very nice Dan. I got stuck in the "ough" rut, and couldn't get out, so I gave up and looked at your answer.
It's 'cuz I'm lazy. At first I started out counting "Okay, plus one, then plus two, then plus one, then plus four then oh forget this crap what does the pattern just
Semi-Spoiler
I don't know that I ever would have started thinking about how the numbers are spelled even though there was another question about the spelling of numbers.-----The third question isn't really a number quesion. All three questions are spelling things.
I just hate it when I get the right answer for the wrong reason. That makes it no better than guessing!
aitch
I'm kinda partial to that one. I don't know of any others.
Aytch?
Good one. I was trying to come with something along that line, but I was trying to find letters to add to the beginning of the word, and came up empty.
This one deals with four-letter English words. Using the same "root" for the word, but just changing the first letter, what combination of letters provides the most four-letter English words?
Here's what I mean. Take -oot for example. You can get:
Boot
Coot
Foot
Hoot
Loot
Moot
Root
Soot
Toot
That's 9 words.
For this quiz, using 'Qu' will be allowed, so there would be one 5-letter word.
I can currently think of a "root" combination that yields 12 words, but that is the best that I can do. The goal is to find a combination that yields more than 12 words.
I used to do a similar exercise with my English students, but in that one, we tried to find the consonant combination which fit with the most vowel sounds (consonant-vowel-consonant). We actually found one combination which fit with almost every single English vowel and diphthong sound (all but two of the 14 standard vowel/diphthong sounds in English).
I don't mean to step on your quiz, but yours reminded me of this exercise, and I'd be interested to see if anyone can get it. It was a very effective way to teach English vowels (which are generally a major headache, since we use 5 letters (and combinations thereof) to denote 14 distinct sounds (though it's only 13 sounds in California).
Your question is an interesting one, too. I haven't found one with 12 yet.
Sorry for the lack of clarity. The words can be of any length, as long as the sound differs.
For example:
can
cane
kine
kin
con
ken
keen
cone
coin
coon
(10 of 14 vowel sounds fit the K-vowel-N sound combination)
In other words, only the sounds matter, not the spelling.
bane
cane
dane
fane
jane
kane
lane
mane
pane
sane
vane
wane
zane
There was nothing "fuzzy" about the 12-word combination I came up with though.
Just giving a try with Irv's quiz:
bit
boot
bout
bet
bite
bat
bate
beet
boat
but
bite
cite
dite
kite
lite
mite
nite
qite
rite
site
wite
bear, dear, fear, gear, hear, near, pear, rear, sear, tear, wear, and year.
I didn't use -ear by itself in my list either, but that is another interesting angle.
So it still remains, then, does any combination beat -ear?
It still leaves me personally, though, with only figuring out 12 of the 14 vowel sounds. I still can't figure out what two I am missing.
B-V-T is the correct answer.
There is no "bot," but the same sound is found in "bought" (a sound missing in California English).
The other one, which is a bit of a stretch is the "ah" sound (like in "father"), found in the name for the Thai currency, "baht."
The only missing sounds are the short u (as in "put") and (as you pointed out) the "oi" of "boy."
It's not spoiling the fun... it's showing your linguistic acumen!
raid
radical
broad
reed
red
ride
rid
root
rod
rode
rude
ruddy
rudimentary
hemorrhoid
However being originally from the Deep South and having lived in California for the last 13 years my pronunciation might be a bit off.
You've added more letters on either end than the original question allowed, but I guess that's OK.
The problems with your list:
1) "root" is not an r-d word. Plus, the pronunciation which rhymes with "put" is non-standard.
2) rudimentary is not a different vowel sound.
That notwithstanding, you have indeed found one with 13, if you also include "rowdy" (one of the two vowel sounds your list was missing).
Which are the 14 wowel sounds?
Quiz
1,1,3,1,5,3,7,1,9,5,11,3,_
The usual rules, next value and a rule, preferably in white text.
The 14 vowel sounds of Standard American English (using modified IPA symbols):
[i] as in beat
[I] as in bit
[e] as in bait
[E] as in bet
[æ] as in bat
[a] as in baht
[ˆ] as in but
[u] as in boot
[U] as in put
[o] as in boat
[open o] as in bought (not found in California)
[ai] as in bite
[au] as in bout
[oi] as in boil
13. The rule is the largest odd number which divides evenly into the number which is the place in the sequence. Since this is the 13th place, the number is 13
That isn't the rule I was thinking of, but I'll check to see if it produces the same answers.
Yes, your rule gives the same sequence as mine.
Further discussion in white:
I've been watching a stock ticker lately, with quotes changing by 1/32. I note that they reduce the fraction to lowest terms, so a quote at 5 6/32 is reported as 5 3/16. A 1/32 downtick drops the price to 5 5/32. So I decided to look at the fractions 1/32, 2/32, 3/32, 4/32,... reduced to lowest terms, then just take the numerator.
It took me a couple minutes, but I now see that this sequence is identical to yours. Yours is easier to explain.
I propose "ine"
1 bine
2 cine
3 dine
4 fine
5 kine
6 line
7 mine
8 nine
9 pine
10 sine
11 tine
12 vine
13 wine
Possible challenge: "kine" is archaic, but it is in the dictionary.
Interesting, zine is pretty accepted as a word (gets 129,000 hits in Google), but is probably too new for the current edition of the dictionary (I'm using http://www.m-w.com/).
Aine is listed in the dictionary, but listed as a foreign word, so not elibible.
Eine probably occurs far more often in English text than many legitimate English words, but I'll accept it as foreign.
Quine is a proper name, so not eligible.
With the next edition of the dictionary, "ine" should have 14 entries.
Ooops! I'm a dolt. Root should have been RooD same sound as "drool"
The "put" sound comes from rudimentary but maybe that's not a standard pronunciation of rudimentary.
I forgot about the "ow" sound. Thanks!
That's not a word. I looked myself up and I'm not there. I'm here.
bill
dill
fill
gill
hill
kill
mill
pill
quill
rill
sill
till
will
that gets 13.
If the null is allowed, "ill" is certainly a word.
Fill 6 2-oz. containers equally with 12 oz. of warm water (100 degrees). Then fill 8 identical 2-oz containers equally with 16 oz. of hot water (150 degrees). Simultaneously put them all in the freezer. Assume a huge freezer so that each container is independent of all others. Which group will freeze first? Why?
Water loses 1 calorie to lower 1 cc by 1 degree Celsius, so if the answer is more complicated than that (i.e., takes into consideration the relative volume), wouldn't it be the water needing to give up more calories in heat takes longer to cool (that is, convert the units to metric and just plug it into the formula)?
You're taking all the fun out of this. Spoiler--
Yes, your first question is exactly right. I added the math stuff to mislead people a bit -- everybody here is way too sharp. But the answer is: the hot water. Obviously, in a calorie for calorie contest, the warm water will reach freezing first. But what happens is that some of the hot water evaporates into the colder air of the freezer. Thus, the remaining hot water (about half) actually freezes first. Try it some time.
There is no "bot," but the same sound is found in "bought" (a sound missing in California English).
I don't understand what you mean by this (because, of course, I'm a lifelong Californian). Is that the "o" sound roughly "halfway" between the [a] as in baht and the [o] as in boat, or is it the [ô] as in corn?
The first choice is the best description for it. Technically, it is a low back vowel (as opposed to [a], which is a low mid vowel, and [o], which is a mid back vowel). It's the sound most Americans spell "aw," and is found in words like "caught," "saw," and "pawn." British speakers use this sound for words like "lot," "hot" and "not" as well. In California, the sound has merged with the [a] sound.
My description of "bot" was not really appropriate for American English, where it sounds more like "baht" than "bought." Strangely enough, "bot" sounds like "bought" in British English (where both have the "aw" sound) and in California (where both are [a]), but in Standard American English, the two are different.
hahahaha! You should see the many times Irv and I have gone through this. I'll see if I can dig up the last conversation in Language. It is really funny how many different ways other people pronounce the "aw" sound that we use for damn near everything.
Irv,
No, I wouldn't gloat. Californians aren't always trendsetters. I am relieved, though, that I will not have to remember about the cot/caught thing anymore.
You forgot the essential Californian adjective: "cool".
Okay, I found it. Go to 3329 in Language and following. Starts with a discussion of "banal" and Irv says something like "Well, I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that 'all' and 'father' are the same sound."
I'm like "Um. They aren't?" and it goes from there. You'll get a kick out of it.
The northern Great Plains states... specifically your Nebraska, along with South Dakota, are the generally acknowledged home of the most standard dialect of Standard American English. That is also why so many TV and radio announcers and news broadcasters hail from your region.
When you say "right coast," don't you mean "left coast"?
Cal:
Well, language change doesn't happen overnight. You'll be dealing with the cot/caught thing for the rest of your lifetime.
"Cool" was originally an Eastern word, specifically from the argot of urban African-Americans, probably originating in the South. But Californians like to take credit for anything which gains wide popularity.
Actually, in the conversation I reference, I said that I hoped the rest of the world would catch up with us some day. And they are!
As for "cool"--I understand it came from the east originally. But it fell out of fashion for some twenty years or so, after its previous heyday in the 60s. When it came back (sometime in the late 80s?), it first came back as a joke. "Coo-ull!" we'd say. And then we fell into using it naturally ever since. It's still here. I wasn't claiming credit for it, but it is a critical part of our vocabulary.
My guess is that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure brought it back to our awareness and it went from there.
I am thinking "cool cat" for the first and "Cool!" or "he's a really cool dude!" for the second.
....California pronunciation appears to be spreading in the American West, and will probably eventually become the standard in the USA.
Well, if we can break those folks in flyover country of the habit of saying "northren" and "southren", it'll be worth it. I don't recall exactly which state I was in where I kept hearing those, but it drove me up the damned wall. People who want to "ax" me a question trigger that reflex also -- the one where you just grit your teeth and try not to be a jerk and correct their dreadful elocution.
Or the Texan side of my family who "warsh" their clothes before taking a trip to "Warshington". Stuff like that.
Do I qualify for anal-retentive linguist status yet?
Cal:
I do vaguely remember that conversation in Language, the all/father deal. Traitor that I am to the California cause, I knew exactly what Irv meant with that distinction. Pretty funny stuff, though. For some reason, languages were something of a hobby when I was a little kid, and I have retained some of that pronunciation jargon.
Those are regional pronunciations, and they give the language flavor. When all Americans sound the same (a possibility some day) it will be pretty boring. Of course, we'll probably always have some morons pronouncing the "t" in often and otherwise mangling the language.
Those are regional pronunciations, and they give the language flavor.
I tend to disagree, because to me letters are like numbers -- they have specific values, and are supposed to combine for specific results based on their sequences. So pronouncing "ask" as "aks" is just silly; it's like saying 2+2=5. The speaker is thwarting the function of the letter sequence through inattention and error. There is no practical reason for transposition.
When all Americans sound the same (a possibility some day) it will be pretty boring. Of course, we'll probably always have some morons pronouncing the "t" in often and otherwise mangling the language.
Well, I agree that regional accents, inflections, and euphemisms have a particular charm to them. I mean specifically when pronunciation, syntax, and spelling errors somehow find their way into a regionally standardized vernacular. That seems to be a by-product of linguistic laziness, rather than a true evolution of the language. Or do linguists consider it normal evolution when errors are subsumed into the official lexicon? I always thought they considered such things idiomatic, colloquial slang, and hence of little linguistic substance.
Pronouncing the "t" in "often" isn't too terrible; it's at least understandable. Saying "otfen", OTOH, would be a teeth-clencher though, because there's no logical rationale for transposing.
5750. DanDillon - 5/11/2000 10:32:02 AM
Even gubernatorial space cowboys.
letters are like numbers -- they have specific values, and are supposed to combine for specific results based on their sequences.
This, of course, is not true for any language. Language is ever-changing, and spelling and pronunciation diverge over time. Ever heard of the "Great English Vowel Shift"?
If you think pronunciation mirrors spelling, check out your own pronunciation of "comfortable," [kumfterbel] or "vegetable," [vegtubel] or any number of words.
The transposition of sounds is extremely common, in all languages. Where do you think words like "centre" come from?
There's no linguistic reason why "ask" should not become "aks" over time. There are thousands of precedents for such a change.
What is this and where?
Somebody losing a hat; near a waterfall.
Reichenbach Falls
??
Anything's cricket after the answer's been revealed. I wasn't pretending to have figured it out on my own. If you thought that, sorry.
2+2=5 is only a restriction within a given numbering system. In another, equally arbitrary one it's perfectly natural to get a different result. Likewise with letters and different regional 'systems' of pronunciation, into dialects, into different languages entirely.
Yes, I understand that, but I'm talking about when incorrect spellings or pronunciations (according to standardized forms) get subsumed as "variants" within the same language. That the mistake may be common seems irrelevant, to me anyway. It's still a mistake.
No offense, but I can see that this could go in the same direction as the millennium argument you & I had last year, which was rather silly. Obviously we have differing views regarding "convention". This is mine: it seems peculiar (and completely unnecessary) to modify a convention that is grounded in a factual basis, merely due to widespread fallacy or error. That amounts to changing base premises (which didn't need changing) by popular fiat; i.e., establishing convention by fad. Proper instruction in the factual bases of the existing convention would seem to obviate such a circumstance.
Despite how it may sound, I am not saying this from a position of officious certitude; rather, a genuine puzzlement and curiosity that linguists and lexicographers would assimilate what are clearly mistakes into a standardized lexicon. Regular people, maybe. Word scientists, no. Orthographic systems, one would think, would value utility and practicality above all, and not be moved by popular misconceptions.
Ever heard of the "Great English Vowel Shift"?
No. That must have happened last summer, while I was busy campaigning for President. Seriously, no, and a brief explanation or link would be appreciated.
If you think pronunciation mirrors spelling, check out your own pronunciation of "comfortable," [kumfterbel]....
Actually I pronounce it exactly the way it's spelled. But I understand your point, and to an extent I agree with it. I simply don't understand the transposition factor, or the adding of "phantom" sounds, as in "warsh".
There's no linguistic reason why "ask" should not become "aks" over time.
Again, I honestly do not understand why this is so. I mean, you can't get any more straightforward than "ask". A-S-K. How does one look at this short simple word, and think "aks"? And how would such a thing come to be expected by linguists? And even if expected, how and why would it ever rise above the linguistic "rank" of mere phonological error? This is what I am simply unable to grok. It does not make sense to me.
I realize that languages are constantly evolving, but it seems that the most important part of that phase is the addition of contemporaneous words, phrases, and expressions. Not the alteration of spelling and pronunciation due to regional proclivities. That just seems very odd to me, and tends to defeat the purpose of instruction in a standardized orthographic system.
No offense.
I think your questions are very interesting and deserving of a good response, so I will copy your post to the Language thread, where I will reply. I invite all regulars of this thread who may be interested in this topic, especially non-linguists, to join us in the Language thread.
Name the book.
1. "this my people shooting hat"
2. "When first I was put into prison some people advised me to try and forget who I was. It was ruinous advice. It is only by realising what I am that I have found comfort of any kind."
3. "Woodshadows floated silently by through the morning peace from the stairhead seaward where he gazed. Inshore and farther out the mirror of water whitened, spurned by lightshod hurrying feet. White breast of the dim sea. The twining stresses, two by two. A hand plucking the harpstrings merging their twining chords. Wavewhite wedded words shimmering on the dim tide."
All the best.
I see that my quiz has aroused a storm of attention.
Since all of the real smarties are apparently elsewhere, how about a wild guess from a semi-literate?
2. 1984?
Good guess, but no. Actually, this is a bit of a trick question, as it's more a very long essay than a book, but its well known nonetheless.
3. Ulysses, by James Joyce.
Anyway, since it is'nt going at all well, I'll kill the quiz.
Answers are:
1. "Catcher in the rye" by J.B. Salinger
2. "De Profundis" by Oscar Wilde
3. "Ulysses" by James Joyce
1.What was the nose name of the aircraft that dropped the first atomic bomb?
2. What Japanese kind of vessel was captured at Pearl Harbor?
3. Who said "Of all the crosses I bear, the heaviest is the Cross of Lorraine?"
4. The last class of Battleships in the US was the Iowa class, what other US ships were built on the last two hulls started for the Iowa class?
5. What US tank design formed the basis for the Soviet T-34.
6. What auto designer was the German tank nicknamed "Elephant" also named for?
7. What was the first semi automatic rifle to be adopted by a major nation as its main infantry arm?
8. What aerodynamic innovation gave the P-51 Mustang its performance edge?
9. Who, aside from the Germans constructed "pocket battleships" for use in WWII?
10. What was the fastest aircraft actually used in combat in WWII?
Bonus- Who built the aircraft in question 1 and where? Hint- it was the focus of bomber activity during the cold war.
2. submarine?
5. Sherman? (pretty sure this is wrong because I think the T-34 predates it)
6. Benz?
9. Soviet Union?
That's all I can hazard guesses for.
6: Porsche?
No on 5,6, and 9.
6 is correct- It was also known as the Ferdinand.
Hint for bonus- SAC home.
bomb? Enola Gay
2. What Japanese kind of vessel was captured at Pearl Harbor? Midget Sub
3. Who said "Of all the crosses I bear, the heaviest is the Cross of
Lorraine?" Winston Churchill
4. The last class of Battleships in the US was the Iowa class, what
other US ships were built on the last two hulls started for the Iowa
class? I'd like to see a source for this. To my knowledge any unbuilt Iowa class battleships were scrapped.
5. What US tank design formed the basis for the Soviet T-34. I think it was the T-3. The feature that the T-34 adopted so successfully was the Christie type suspension system. The British Crusader and the Soviet BT-7 also used the Christie system before the T-34 was built.
6. What auto designer was the German tank nicknamed "Elephant" also
named for? "Ferdinand" Porsche
7. What was the first semi automatic rifle to be adopted by a major
nation as its main infantry arm? Garand M-1
8. What aerodynamic innovation gave the P-51 Mustang its
performance edge? Don't know about any aerodynamic innovation. Replacing the Allison inline engine with the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine turned the Mustang from a fast ground attack and reconnaisance fighter into a world beater.
9. Who, aside from the Germans constructed "pocket battleships" for
use in WWII? No one, but I would like to hear your answer.
10. What was the fastest aircraft actually used in combat in WWII? ME 163 Komet.
Bonus- Who built the aircraft in question 1 and where? Hint- it was the focus of bomber activity during the cold war. Boeing built it. I don't know who production was subcontracted out to.
4.I may be confused wrt the Midway and FDR, but their hulls are built off Iowa class layout, they may not have been actual Iowa class ships
9. Re pocket battleships- The Alaska class were described as heavy cruisers, battlecruisers etc. They had a main armament of 12 in guns, 3x3, and secondary armament of 5 in in dual turrets much like contemporary American battleships. They were specifically designed to compete with a proposed Japanese class of pocket battleships that were never built. The US navy found out about this too late to cancel them.
Enola Gay was built by Martin at Fort Crook, Nebraska later the home of SAC, as Offut AFB.
The Alaska class were classified as Battle Cruisers (BC 1-3). They were analogous to the Scharnhorst and Gneisnau (German battle cruisers) in speed and armament. The German panzerschiffe (Lutzow, Scheer, and Graf Spee) carried one less main turret than the Alaska and Scharnhorst, and were 5-7 knots slower. Their reason for being was to provide more punch than a heavy cruiser while staying within naval treaty restrictions, which forbade German battleship construction. They were intriguing vessels, but ultimately operational failures.
2) From what World War I warships did this battleship get its main armament (8 x 15" guns)?
3) These guns were available because the above warships no longer needed them. Why not?
4) What happened to the above warships?
2. Battlecruisers- not sure of the names
3. Converted to aircraft carriers- Ark Royal was one?
4. Sunk by Japanese aircraft
1) No
2) No
3) Yes (not the Ark Royal)
4) No
There was one more battleship built after the King George V class.
1) HMS Vanguard
2) Its main armament came from the "light cruisers" Courageous and Glorious (Jackie Fisher's logic taken to its ridiculous conclusion)
3) They were converted to aircraft carriers of the same names.
4) Courageous was torpedoed and sunk in 1939 while on an antisubmarine sweep. Courageous was caught with its planes down off the Norwegian coast by the battlecruisers Scharnhorst and Gneisnau in 1940. Despite suicidal resstance by its two escorting destroyers, Glorious was sunk by naval gunfire.
1.What was the nose name of the aircraft that dropped the first
atomic bomb?
Enola Gay
2. What Japanese kind of vessel was captured at Pearl Harbor?
submarine
3. Who said "Of all the crosses I bear, the heaviest is the Cross of
Lorraine?"
Got me...Marshall Petain????
4. The last class of Battleships in the US was the Iowa class, what
other US ships were built on the last two hulls started for the Iowa
class?
not sure I'd have to look that one up....see warships link on WWII page
5. What US tank design formed the basis for the Soviet T-34.
the tank was built using the Christie chassis
6. What auto designer was the German tank nicknamed "Elephant"
also named for?
The Elephant or Ferdinand was named for Ferdinand Porshe
7. What was the first semi automatic rifle to be adopted by a major
nation as its main infantry arm?
A british enfield I think
8. What aerodynamic innovation gave the P-51 Mustang its
performance edge?
dunno
9. Who, aside from the Germans constructed "pocket battleships" for
use in WWII?
Britain
10. What was the fastest aircraft actually used in combat in WWII?
The Messserschmidt jet was the fastest but I am not sure it was used in combat
Bonus- Who built the aircraft in question 1 and where? Hint- it was
the focus of bomber activity during the cold war.
Boeing
Guess the next value
Quiz
1,2,3,7,8,11,12,13,14,17,...
The last one I gave was too easy. I hope this is a bit more challenging.
USS Iowa
USS New Jersey
USS Missouri
USS Wisconsin
I'll defer to Wombat....
Vanguard is certainly the most powerful British battleship ever built, with a fine balance of protection, firepower, speed and sea worthiness.
Vanguard represented the triumph of battleship design and the end of its importance.
With the outbreak of war the Lion class ships were postponed. Churchill as First Lord expressed an interest in a proposal to build a ship that
would use the four turrets left over from the when Glorious and Courageous were converted to aircraft carriers.
The ship was ordered on 14 March 1941 with the expected completion date set for the end of 1944. Other war construction and priorities would
delay her completion until 1946.
As the war progressed the design of Vanguard changed to reflect the lessons learnt from war experience. The loss of the Prince of Wales lead
to revision of her design,as did the hunt for Bismarck. Vanguard was given a greater range, her watertight subdivisions were improved.
She was the only British battleship with remote control for both the main and secondary armament.
The magazines were placed bellow the shell rooms to improve protection.
The secondaries were 5.25-inch as in the King George V class, but with redesigned gun house and remote control.
One of the features of Vanguard was her exceptional sea qualities. The King George V class were renowned as a wet boats. The lack of any
real shear forward meant that in heavy weather they took a lot of water over the deck. The lack of shear was a design feature to allow the forward
turrets to fire forward at low angle.
Vanguard had a substancial forward shear and her overall design made her the best sea boat of any navy. On exercise in the Altantic in the
company of the USS Iowa during a storm, Vanguard was rolling 13 degrees, Iowa was rolling 26 degrees.
I think at least one escort carrier was sunk by Japanese naval gun fire at Leyte.
Jex:
"Pocket Battleships" were attempts to fit a (reduced) battleship armament on a heavy cruiser hull. All the battleships you mention carried a full complement of heavy cannon (9 x 16" or 10 x 14"). Compare to the Graf Spee's 6 x 11".
hobnob, leapfrog, mountaineer
Laminar flow wings, which put the thickest section near the middle instead of the front edge.
Assuming I am right, here is another WWII aircraft trivia question with a twist from my hometown:
North American's first attempt at making a fighter was the phenomenally successful P-51. It propelled them to the highest level of respect in the military aircraft community.
General Motors thought that they could duplicate North American's success, and set out to design their own revolutionary new fighter. At their B-29 plant here in Cleveland, they created the amazing XP-75.
In addition to being the ugliest fighter plane in the history of aviation, the XP-75 was a dismal failure. It was never deployed into combat.
Like the P-51, a technological innovation was supposed to give the XP-75 an edge over all other fighters. What was the innovation that distinguished the XP-75 from other fighters?
From the pictures, I would say contra-rotating propellors, although the design concept (combining the best features of successful fighter types) appeared to have led to an aerial cockatrice.
In theory, the counter rotating propellers would allow the XP-75 to be just as maneuverable in either direction (unlike its contemporaries, which were constantly pulled to one side by their propellers). The engine was in the rear.
I know about the XP-75 because my local historical society is fighting with Wright-Patterson AFB over custody of the only remaining specimin. Each organization is trying to talk the other one into adopting the forlorn aircraft. Nobody wants it.
The History Channel is fond of presenting shows about the unusual weapons that Germany developed during the war. I wish someone would make a documentary about America's efforts. I'll bet our secret weapons were just as goofy as theirs.
The DO-235 Pfeil had contra-rotating propellors, but the engines were at opposite ends of the fusilage.
* $100
* Which of these names is least likely to be found at temple?
* A. Cohen
* B. Rosenberg
* C. Schwartz
* D. Christensen
* $200
* The term "Bloomies" refers to
* A. Underpants
* B. A wonderful store
* C. Flowers
* D. The British
* $300
* The person your therapist is most likely to hear about is
* A. Your boss
* B. Your roommate
* C. Your mother
* D. Your dog
* $400
* How many Jewish mothers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
* A. One
* B. Four
* C. Three
* D. None, I'll just sit here in the dark.
* $500
* The most disturbing thing about the TV show "Friends" is
* A. Monica needs a meal
* B. Rachel needs a haircut
* C. Joey needs a brain
* D. Ross and Monica are siblings, but Monica is so obviously
gentile and Ross is so obviously Jewish.
* $1,000
* You should call your mother
* A. Every single day
* B. Weekly
* C. Monthly
* D. Annually
* $2,000
* Your son will least likely be
* A. A doctor
* B. A lawyer
* C. A fireman
* D. A rabbi
* $4,000
* Houserobe is to Slippers as Little Black Dress is to
* A. Heels
* B. Sandals
* C. Sneakers
* D. A Nice Pair of Prada Slides
* $8,000
* Murphy Brown's producer was
* A. Miles Silverberg
* B. Simon Goldenstein
* C. Brian Rosengold
* D. David Bergsteiner
* $16,000
* Which of the following comedians is not Jewish but could be?
* A. Jon Stewart
* B. Billy Crystal
* C. Robin Williams
* D. Ben Stiller
* $32,000
* Fill in the blank: During the summer, I go _____ the shore.
* A. Up
* B. To
* C. See
* D. Down
* $50,000
* What popular game is played by many Jewish college students?
* A. Chutzpah and Ladders
* B. Pin the Tallis on the Rabbi
* C. Go Gefilte Fish
* D. Jewish Geography
* $100,000
* Which of the following is not a traditional bagel variety?
* A. Poppy
* B. Sesame
* C. Onion
* D. Asagio Cheese
* $250,000
* Which food is least likely to appear in a Jewish Deli?
* A. A Knish
* B. Matzoh Ball Soup
* C. Corned Beef on Rye
* D. Beef Wellington
* $500,000
* When preparing a meal for a family of five, the actual number of
people you should prepare food for is:
* A. 5
* B. 6
* C. 8
* D. The population of Long Island.
* $1,000,000
* What celebrity told Oprah her favorite present was a mezuzah she
got from her grandmother?
* A. Sally Field
* B. Gwyneth Paltrow
* C. Cameron Diaz
* D. Angelina Jolie
* ARE THESE YOUR FINAL ANSWERS? CHECK THEM AGAINST THE ANSWER KEY
BELOW.
* $100 = D
* $200 = B
* $300 = C
* $400 = D
* $500 = D
* $1,000 = A
* $2,000 = C
* $4,000 = D
* $8,000 = A
* $16,000 = C
* $32,000 = D
* $50,000 = D
* $100,000 = D
* $250, 000 = D
* $500,000 = D
* $1,000,000 = B
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The story that came with this puzzle is that it was written by Einstein in the last century, and that he said that 98% of the people in the world cannot solve it. I have no idea if that story is true or not, but it is a cool puzzle (no tricks or hidden meanings - it is strictly an exercise in logic)
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There are 5 houses in a row, painted 5 different colors. The resident if each house is a different nationality, drinks a different beverage, smokes a different brand of tobacco, and has a different pet.
1. the Brit lives in the Red house
2. the Swede drinks Coffee
3. the Dane has a Horse
4. the Green house is on the left of the White house
5. the Green house resident owns a Dog
6. the Pall Mall smoker drinks Milk
7. the Yellow House resident smokes Dunhill
8. the Center house resident has a Bird
9. the Norwegian lives in the First house
10. the Blend smoker lives next door to the Water drinker
11. the Tea owner lives next door to the Dunhill smoker
12. the Blue Masters smoker has a Fish
13. the German smokes Prince
14. the Norwegian lives next door to the Blue house
15. the Blend smoker has a neighbor who owns a Cat
QUESTION: Who drinks Beer?
And here I was scrolling back for the answer.
We had some good Jeopardy runs this winter, didn't we, Indy?
I do.
That's an awfully easy quiz, ib.
The German. The houses in order from left to right are Yellow, Blue, Red, Green and White. They are lived in, respectively, by the Norwegian, Dane, Brit, German and Swede, who drink water, tea, milk, beer and coffee, respectively. Dunhill, blend, Pall Mall, Prince, and Blue Masters are their respective smokes and they own, in order, a cat, horse, bird, dog and a fish.
You don't have to wait for Ace...let's play Jeopardy!
You are a hoot.
Indy
Haven't a clue, mebbe Monday?
I'd like to think of something new just to avoid a repeat, but the good thing about Jeopardy is almost everyone knows the format/rules. It also needs to be announced a little bit in advance to make sure enough participants are available.
The funny thing about "Survivor" is way up thread I mentioned the show was going to be on down the road and tried to think of a Mote variant on it. Maybe that's a possibility. Let me have a couple of days to think.
Diva: Thanks for the info.
Here are some other angles, in case it helps: 
Diamond Beach.
Only beach I can name in HA.
Is it the beach in "From Here to Eternity"?
But I should have figured you'd put the clues together. Good going!
Ace--I don't know what the name of the beach is right now (didn't look it up), so if Diamond Beach is the From Here to Eternity Beach, then you nailed it too. But I was looking for the movie reference.
I'm not a movie fan, but even I have seen that classic scene (even if I haven't seen the movie). And, knowing the setting of the film, it seemed to fit.
House Yellow Blue Red Green White Nation Norw Dane Brit German Swede Pet Cat Horse Bird Dog Fish Smoke Dunhill Blend Pall Mall Prince Blue M Drink Water Tea Milk Beer Coffee
Yes, I did. Thanks!
Hawaii is one of them.
Looks like a beautiful trip.
Silly quiz. Fill in the blank in this song lyric:
They roll up the sidewalks precisely at ten,
and people who live there are not seen again.
Just two lonely truckers from Great Falls Montanna,
and __________________________________.
All huddled together in downtown Toledo,
to spend their big night all alone.
No, there are no bananas in his John Denver classic.
No wonder I don't know it.
So it must be correct.
The name of the song is Saturday Night in Toledo, Ohio.
two lonely truckers and a steaming bottle of hemlock?
Just two lonely truckers from Great Falls Montanna,
And a hustler named Speedy and a waitress named Hannah.
some nearsighted goofy guy who can't sing?
..18,21,22,23...
You ain't gonna believe this (I wouldn't) but I stumbled onto it right away. The only "method" I can offer is that I always start with non-mathematical solutions because all of the easy math puzzles have been done. So I start looking for things like "numbers that don't contain an 'e'" and suchlike.
Pure luck.
tltltltl
Congratulations on getting it! Even though you got it right away (Challenge to others?), I still think that some people will take some time to figure it out, yet it is reasonably "clean".
If anyone else wants to work on it,
1. On top
2. In
3. Orange
When you get ready to do the Jeopardy Quiz, will you announce it in advance and also, will you announce it in other threads when it is about to start?
Sorry, incorrect.
I can't figure out if the opposite to orange is purple or green. Or if that's the right track, even.
Saturday night in Toledo, Ohio
is like being nowhere at all
All through the day how the hours rush by
You sit in the park
and you watch the grass die!
Ah, but after the sunset, the dusk and the twilight
When shadows of night start to fall
They roll back the sidewalk precisely at ten
And people who live there are not seen again!
Just two lonely truckers from Great Falls, Montana
And a salesman from places unknown
(hold harmony: "-ces unknown")
All huddled together in downtown Toledo
To spend their big night all alone!
etc.
Think back to your Logic 101 class.
The term "opposite" is ambiguous.
One interpretation is the complement; that is, the opposite of X is ~X.
By this rule, the opposite of On Top is ~On Top. The opposite of In would be ~In, and, of Orange, ~Orange. (This was the way I was originally approaching the problem, and it is consistent with logic, but it didn't provide any insights to me. I thought maybe there would be a play on words, but I don't see it.)
In common usage, we usually say that "down" is the opposite of "up", and "off" is the opposite of "on". However, these are not parallel usages. Off is ~on, but it is not the case that down is ~up.
The down vs up is a different sense of the word opposite. Not just the complement set, but a particular member of that set with a particular property. In math, we might define an opposite, but usually in connection with an operation. Thus, -6 is the opposite of 6 is we are discussing addition. The opposite is the value, such that, under the operation, it produces the identify. (1/6 would be the opposite of 6 wrt multiplication)
In my dim memory, I remember that Foundation explored several alternative definitions of "opposite" while trying to unravel the enigmatic "opposite end of the universe"
But I still don't know what you are driving at.
For some reason, I thought about a green traffic light. The green light is at the bottom, the other two lights (red and yellow) make orange. Plus the fact that it's in three parts and has to do with directions. If #2 was "stop," rather than "in," mebbe, but otherwise I just can't make it work.
For #1, the opposite of "on top" must be "on the bottom," at least in terms of the Tunnel of Love/Tower of Lust thread.
Not on top
Not in
Not orange
'Out' is not the exact opposite of 'in' since, together, they don't completely define the set. Since I only vaguely remember my own Logic class, I don't know if Dusty's answer (using the ~) qualifies. Experts?
Let me know when it's safe to return.
Here's a puzzle (or riddle) I got the idea for while trying to figure out AytchMan's, though solving it requires less literal thinking.
You are lost, and the only clue you have is that your position is opposite that of me.
me Michael...shallow orange sky me
Where are you?
~ is the shorthand for "not", so I'll accept my answer (isn't that big of me :)
I was expecting more, some common theme or something else clever, so I was looking for something else.
But you've contributed some nice puzzles and answers in the past, so please stick around.
You are hiding inside a chess computer?
Dusty: You have solved part of it.
So you are in Denver, listening to Deep Purple songs?
(Though I do think the good thing about these puzzles is a chance for some creative answers...)
and me->you->U
But I wasn't coming up with a location ending in CU, or a way to get letters fromt he first two. Should I abandon that line of reasoning?
me Michael, Deep Blue Sea you
Michael was in the deep blue sea, but Michael rowed the boat ashore, so Michael is at the beach?
Seriously, is "deep blue sea" correct?
You're right, Jay...the devil is certainly the opposite of the Archangel Michael. Although in one movie I saw, Michael was the devil.
I think I saw that movie. But I don't pay attention to the names of actors in movies very often. This was the movie with a southern lawyer who goes to work for a firm in NYC?
What's Micahel's last name? I'm sure he is a well-know actor.
That was Al Pacino in The Devils Advocate but the one I'm thinking of was about the war of the angels who fell to earth and starred Christopher Walken. It was called Prophecy .
No wonder I had trouble filling in the blank: Michael _______
Nothing was coming to me.
I didn't see Prophecy 
Place these countries in order of size (land area), starting with the largest. No reference material, and please answer in white, especially Pelle.
Belgium
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Switzerland
Latvia
Estonia
Switzerland
Netherlands
Belgium
Luxembourg
Excellent Irv.
BTW, did you see the sports thread? I think the question has been answered, but it might interest you.
I saw the question, but I didn't have any recommendation for current stats. I tend to be more interested in stats of the past, and the sites I frequent don't have umpires stats.
Estonia
Lithuania
Netherlands
Switzerland
Latvia
Belgium
Luxembourg
Research allowed.
5) Apollo 12, because they accidentally blinded their TV camera by pointing it straight at the sun. After the glorious TV Neil & Buzz sent on Apollo 11, Millions of Americans were disappointed by Apollo 12.
6) Apollo 8 Lovell, Borman, and Anders. Their live Christmas Eve reading from Genesis moved America. Recordings of it still move Doc Brown.
Can anyone tell me who went to the moon and also flew the first Shuttle mission? Hint: The movie Apollo 13 used him as a minor character, althoug in reality he played a major part in saving that crew.
And those are the four astronauts that were on two Apollo missions.
As for Skylab, the two guys in question happened to have been to the moon together.
Have you seen From the EArth to the Moon?
3) Conrad and Bean. I just saw Bean's Skylab Command Module last Friday, when my DeLorean group visited the NASA Glenn Visitor's Center here in Cleveland.
It was Scott, and you are right about Conrad and Bean. Go ahead and answer them--I posted the quiz for you, anyway.
It was (again) Apollo 15, with Dave Scott, Al Worden, and Jim McDivitt.
Following his second mission, Scott was assigned as Backup Commander for Apollo 17, but was eventually removed from flight status for improprieties he and the other Apollo 15 crew members engaged in. The astronauts had taken specially stamped envelopes with them on the Apollo 15 mission and some of the envelopes were later sold by stamp dealers to collectors. As a reprimand, Scott was transferred to a desk job at the Johnson Space Center as Technical Assistant for the remaining Apollo flights.
After last weekend, you can imagine what I have on my mind:
1) Does anyone happen to know John DeLorean's middle name?
2) Neither the DeLorean stainless body nor the Corvette fiberglass body is prone to rust like a conventional steel car body. But what other unique physical characteristic do these bodies share? (hint: it has to do with chemistry/physics).
3) When Speilberg/Zemekis made Back to the Future they modified the DeLorean by dumping all sorts of extra hardware on it. But they also had to modify one stock DeLorean component for the movie. What was that component, and why did they modify it? (hint: I've asked this before).
4) Everyone knows that the DeLorean was made in Ireland, financed by the British taxpayers. But what was the name of the small town in Ireland where the DeLorean factory was located?
5) Name the celebrity who was given a DeLorean sports car as thanks for making a substantial investment, only to have its French alternator break down as he drove the car home.
Heeeeere's a hint on number five.
The What's Ace Downloading From Napster? Quiz:
Identify these songs I'm downloading or have recently downloaded:
1) Now I had heard the WACs recruited Old Maids for the Waaaaaar...
2) Mirror mirror on the wall, tell me mirror what is wrong?
3) I'm the cream the crop, I rise to the top, I never eat a pig because a pig is cop, or better yet a Terminator like Arnold Schwartzenegger, tryin' to play me out as if my name was Sega
4) I had visions I was in the mirror I was lookin' into the mirror to see a little bit clearer the rotteness and evil in me
5) But Scott rejected me, life is unfair, ce' le vie ... (talky part) just you and me... getting jiggy with it... quite pleasant, really
6) She was lookin' kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb in the shape of an "L" on her forehead
7) Ho-o-o-t August night and the leaves hangin' down and the grass on the ground smellin'... sweet
8) Way back, in '67, I was a dandy in Gamma Chi
8 is "Hey Nineteen" by Steely Dan.
Colossally uncool, given that I'd just emailed you the list of songs I've downloaded.
Doofus.
I haven't seen cheating like this since Hillary on Letterman.
Shit. I know this one. Female group, right ?
No, not female.
No one's going to get it anyway, so I'll just tell you: It's Doctor Evill singing Will Smith's update of "just the two of us."
Please don't tell me it's Will Smith ?!
It's very funny, and very catchy. I'm actually something of a (ahem) Will Smith fan.
Yeaahhhp... I also downloaded Wild Wild West. Dig that funky Stevie Wonder keyboard line.
Doc,
1) Zeppo ? ( He-he-he!)
2) They don't corrode -- that's different than rusting, right ?
3) Um...Added a clock ? Seriously though, I think they monkeyed with the fuel system so it could receive fuel additives to give it its needed acceleration.
4) ???
5) ???
Wicky wicky wild
wicky wild
wicky wicky wild wild
West
Jim West
Desperado
Rough-Rider
No you don't want nada
None of this
Gunnin this
Brother Runnin this
Buffalo soldier
Look it's like I told ya
Any damsel in distress
will be out of the dress when she meets Jim West
Eh. *I* like it.
There's a pretty funny South Park version of that Will Smith "Wild Wild West" tune, as sung by Cartman (um, I mean, me -- I think?), available on Napster.
Anyway, only about 45 seconds long, a quick download, and a fairly humorous sendup. Check it out.
I swear I first saw them on HeeHaw, but that can't be right. Please, God, let it not be right.
What does "dente" mean in reference to pasta ?
Yeah, guess what I'm about to have for dinner ?
I'm downloading it.
We should have a fucking Napster thread.
Though that might expose us to lawsuit.
Dave Letterman was the comic/host of the "Starland Vocal Band Variety Show."
True fact.
toycheck
Hmph ! Up to this point I had the hots for you too !
Dente means "teeth."
Al dente means, I think, in (or to) the teeth. Meaning harder, less cooked pasta.
In the immortal words of Jeff Smith: "It means nobody likes soggy spaghetti".
Hmph ! Up to this point I had the hots for you too !
now downloading Eric Cartman singing "I'm too Sexy..."
Fraaaaaank,
It's like that Abba song, "If you change your MIND (take a chance take a chance, take a -- chance chance)". I would have sworn I'd never remembered a word until I heard it some 15 years later and sang the countermelody flawlessly.
Give some people the periodic tables to set to melody, and we'd have a hell of a lot more chemists.
Isn't Afternoon Delight featured on some CD packaged as guaranteed to end any party ? Party Busters, I think it's called, and I beleive one can get it at Rhino.
Thank you for the pasta tip, Cal.
Abba was offered one billion (with a b) dollars to reunite and do a world tour.
They declined.
I know they were offered a ton of money, but one billion dollars ? Are you sure ? I don't think the Beatles combined have that much. I know they were offered 50 mil in '78. Of course, I'm not adding into that figure the $3000.00 SNL offered them around the same time. ;-)
Wow !
Fraank:
Look, that's what I heard, but I was sort of drunk when I heard it.
Looks pretty ludicrous now.
After thinking about it, maybe one billion was a bit low ball. Their melodies and vocals have stood the test of time, so maybe with a close circuit concert, new live CD release, along with the added new boost in sales of their old stuff, maybe one billion is "low" ?
You drunk ? Banish the thought !
I heard the same thing about ABBA being offered a billion bucks. And I'm pretty sure it was US$, not Swedish francs or whatever.
Which proves one thing: them Swedes is on some serious dope. Imagine, getting offered ten figures to go lip-synch some old disco numbers -- and fucking turning it down. Hell, I'll do it for a cool one grand, as long as I get to pick Yanni as my opening act. He's all that and a big bag of chips, as the kids say.
1) Does anyone happen to know John DeLorean's middle name? Zachary
2) Neither the DeLorean stainless body nor the Corvette fiberglass body is prone to rust like a conventional steel car body. But what other unique physical characteristic do these bodies share? (hint: it has to do with chemistry/physics). Like the Corvette fiberglass body, the DeLorean stainless body will not attract magnets. This is a unique charateristic of #304 stainless steel.
3) When Speilberg/Zemekis made Back to the Future they modified the DeLorean by dumping all sorts of extra hardware on it. But they also had to modify one stock DeLorean component for the movie. What was that component, and why did they modify it? They had to modify the speedometer, which could not show the critical 88 miles per hour called for in the script. From 1981 to 1983 cars sold in America were supposed to have speedometers that stopped at 85.
4) Everyone knows that the DeLorean was made in Ireland, financed by the British taxpayers. But what was the name of the small town in Ireland where the DeLorean factory was located? Dunmurry.
5) Name the celebrity who was given a DeLorean sports car as thanks for making a substantial investment, only to have its French alternator break down as he drove the car home.Johnny Carson. I judged Carson's DeLorean in concours competition last Saturday. It took fifth place.
Al dente means, I think, in (or to) the teeth. Meaning harder, less cooked pasta."
Linguistic translation correct, culinary incorrect. Al dente refers to properly cooked pasta.
Quiz
I scored 35 points on it.
In the negative digits to plus 10 points:
Oooh! You’re so young, aren’t you? You’ve never even heard of Billy Vera and the Beaters, much less Hendrix. You’ve got no perspective. When were you born, poor wan soul — 1987?"
SOB!
I'm so proud!
* 30 points or more:
You top the charts, baby! A phonographic memory plus a music-trivia jones. We are so impressed!
Got #5 & 6 wrong. I'm sure my folks would be so proud, if I had the nerve to tell them....
Your last post in Movies had me laughing for 5 solid minutes.
What, the wrestling? I'm not kidding about that, babe -- if I had the dough, I'd gladly start my own foxy wrestling network. Get this -- in the fattest nation on earth, there's a food channel. Like we don't already know how to eat, for Pete's sake. I think the time is ripe to cater to another indulgence/vice.
And if the Foxy Wrestling Network takes off, look for more "vice" channels -- the Gambling Network, the Smoking Network, the Scratching naughty Places in Public Network. Even though I don't smoke or gamble, other folks do, and I understand their needs.
I have a dream. It's not much of a dream, but it's mine. Fortunately, my wife understands this dream, and humors me about it. Someday....
The genuine Game Show Contestants rise to the top.
Thanks, JJBiener. That was a great quiz with excellent graphics. Loved it.
My man!
stopped at a memorial to a U.S. President. Pictured below:
Which President's memorial is shown in this picture?
You can answer this using deduction.
Which one's you?
And is it the Warren G. Harding memorial?
All these famous people, both real and fictional, go by their middle names, or a handy first initial. What are their real first names? (You may use whatever resources are at hand, but then you have to admit what a wuss you are.)
Since all the cars in the picture are the same color, it must be the nearly-forgotten President Light Grey.
Sorry, you're 0 for 3.
I wanted to play your quiz, but the damn thing wouldn't download.
Eric,
3) Stephen ?
10) James Paul McCarthy
(Shit! I should know Chomsky !)
No on #3, yes on #10 (except, of course, Paul uses the last name of McCartney these days)....
Chomsky is a tough one, so don't feel too bad if you don't know it.
James Danforth Quayle
Correct on all those. And Spawn is exactly right on Steve Young.
OK, so here's what we've got left:
4. Montgomery Burns
5. L. Ron Hubbard
7. Roger Waters
8. Noam Chomsky
9. Trey Parker
And that's the last of the ones I know.
Diva, I'm the one with the nice legs, of course. As the Rallyemeister, I am identified by the pink hat. The picture shows me about to pass a cassette tape to the driver. On the tape my wife and I tell stories about our home town to accompany the drive.
Warren G. Harding is a good guess, since his monument is in Ohio just over an hour's drive from me. But at least three other U.S. Presidents have monuments even closer to me. The monument in the picture is one mile from my house.
Okay, so if it ain't Warren G. Harding.....is it Grover Cleveland?
President Cleveland actually practiced law in nearby Buffalo, New York. The memorial in the picture is for a President who actually came from Cleveland. Chronologically, you are in the right ballpark.
Indiana Jones got it. James A. Garfield was born near Cleveland, spent most of his life in Cleveland, and when he was assassinated they buried him in Cleveland down the street from me. John D. Rockefeller is buried very close to Garfield.
A bunch of Presidents came from Ohio. Hayes and McKinley both have very nice memorials in this part of the State.
Doc,
It looks like Fraaankster wins my quiz, even though all his answers were wrong.
Why doesn't the California lottery work that way ?
By the way, we's been talking cars in the H&G thread in case you didn't know it.
Eric,
No on #3, yes on #10 (except, of course, Paul uses the last name of McCartney these days)....
Um ... No.No.No! ... I'm, I'm right. You were refering to the distant nephew of that former neurotic Repug senator from Wisconsin, weren't you ?
( What was I thinking ? A Beatle fan like me missing that one ? )
I'm still working on the Chomsky one ( Frank wrestles with the thought of picking up a nearby Chomsky book with the possible answer )
...Time to jump in the shower
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What's Ace Downloading From Napster? Quiz:
Identify these songs I'm downloading or have recently downloaded:
1) Now I had heard the WACs recruited Old Maids for the Waaaaaar...
Surrender, Cheap Trick
2) Mirror mirror on the wall, tell me mirror what is wrong?
Me Myself & I, De La Soul
3) I'm the cream the crop, I rise to the top, I never eat a pig because a pig is cop, or better yet a Terminator like Arnold Schwartzenegger, tryin' to play me out as if my name was Sega
Jump around, House of Pain
4) I had visions I was in the mirror I was lookin' into the mirror to see a little bit clearer the rotteness and evil in me
Flagpolesittah, Harvey Danger
5) But Scott rejected me, life is unfair, ce' le vie ... (talky part) just you and me... getting jiggy with it... quite pleasant, really
Just the Two of Us, Doctor Evil
6) She was lookin' kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb in the shape of an "L" on her forehead
All-Star, Smashmouth
7) Ho-o-o-t August night and the leaves hangin' down and the grass on the ground smellin'... sweet
Hee, hee, hee. Brother Love's Travelling Salvation SHow, Neil Diamond
8) Way back, in '67, I was a dandy in Gamma Chi
Hey Nineteen, Steely Dan
5935. EricCartman - 6/22/00 5:36:27 AM
3 is "Jump Around" by House of Pain.
8 is "Hey Nineteen" by Steely Dan.
Which following ingredient is frequently found in most lipstick ?
Is it:
1) Hemlock
2) Koolaid
3) Fish scales
4) Saline
( I didn't know this )
Um. Those with prior experience in the cosmetic industry, or going drag on weekends need not play !;-)
I didn't know that.
Hmmmm.The next time I kiss a woman ...
Gotta go.TTFN !
4. Charles
7. George
8. Avram
9. Randolph
Hemlock. Hmm. Poisonous, if the same stuff Socrates drank, but maybe it's something else, something from the tree, like pine tar. (Yumm..) But now I think of it, I've always understood that a key ingredient of lipstick was coal tar, and, supposing that that's quite enough tar for the maintenance of sex appeal, or whatever it is that lipstick is supposed to be doing, I'll rule it out.
Koolaid? Nah.
Fish scales. Likewise. But, otoh, that's so weird that it's being the answer might be the whole point of the question. Yeah. So I'll go with
fish scales.
From our friendly Mindbender section of the local news: How fast can a cockroach travel, is it ?
A) One foot per second
B) Three feet per second
C) Eight feet per second
D) Five feet per second
Among the prizes to be awarded for the correct answer will be a pair of matching gold plated cockroach cufflinks. ;-)
No one knows ? All you have to do is walk over to the basement, turn the light on, and watch them scurry for cover.
Correcto mundo,sir !!! ( How'd you know ?)
I'm out of gold cufflinks, will a gold cockroach tie-clip do ?
Actually, I figured if it were 3 ft/sec I could catch it and squash it. 8 ft/sec seems too fast. I guessed in the middle.
The tie-clip would be fine. Some earings for SuzyQ would be nice also.
Tell SuzyQ the earings are on their way.
Okay, from the Mindbender segment of the KTLA Morning News this morning comes this: What was the original name of the group which later became known as Diana Ross and the Supremes ?
Was it ?
a) The Midtown Trios
b) The Songbirds
c) Diana's Dolls
d) The Gabor Sisters
e) The Primettes
( I threw one more choice in there just to make it more interesting. He-he-he! )
The first one with the correct answer gets to behave as arrogant and self-absorbed as the lead diva of said group ... Remember not to let anyone make eye contact with you now ! ( Diana Ross supposedly would get upset if people would make eye contact with her during their peak in the 60s )
... Speaking of babies,
Baby Love
The Supremes
(Brian Holland/Lamont Dozier/Edward Holland, Jr.)
Ooh baby love, my baby love
I need you, oh how I need you
But all you do is treat me bad
Break my heart and leave me sad
Tell me, what did I do wrong
To make you stay away so long...
I guess I've been in the wrong line all this time.
Heh-heh...
You are correct, oh expecting one ... Okay,you now have my permission to go out now and act as demanding and bitchy as you want. Do your best to get under any and everyone's skin, ya hear !?
And yes, take some comfort in the fact that no matter how rude and obnoxious you might appear to others, you will never, I mean never, surpass that "lovely" diva, Diana.
Shoot, I was hoping to be able to do that!
You are in a house with two stories and presently on the first. On the second story are three light bulbs, each controlled by a different switch (not a dimmer) on the first floor, but you don't know which switch controls which bulb. How can you tell which goes to which? You can only make one trip upstairs and cannot leave the house before making your determination.
Turn on one light for a long time--an hour or more. Then turn it off. Turn on a second light and go upstairs.
One bulb will be hot, one on, and one room temperature.
Here's another one, but it's even easier, and that one clearly wasn't too hard...
You die and wind up in heaven (I know, but just play along -- St. Peter was off or something). Everyone there looks just as they did at age 21. You run across a person you immediately recognize as Adam. How'd you know it was him?
I hear this one is old so don't spoil it if you've heard it.
Place your hand on a lightbulb. Turn the light on. How long before it gets hot? One hour? Five hours? 10 seconds?
There was a man I once knew back in the fifties, who lived in an apartment on the 14th floor of a building downtown. Nothing unsual or strange about this of course, but what was unsual was that he dreaded going home on sunny days. A sunny day meant he would have to climb the stairs to reach his place, if there was no one in the lobby ascending to a higher floor also once he'd arrive. Luckily this inconvenience was not a problem at all during a rainy day. On rainy days he could go up and down the elevator as he pleased without having to depend on anyone.
Why was that ?
If you need clues, they are here in white font in the vaguest of terms:
Height
Panel
Design
(Shit, that's more than enough )
You guys will nail this one easily!
I'd better post the answer to Message # 6047 before I forget about it. Here it is:
Adam's the guy with no belly button.
That was honestly the first thing I thought of, but you didn't mention that everyone was naked. Or is that why they call it heaven?
I figured there must be something else because you couldn't tell it instantly unless everyone was naked, and Eve would also qualify.
Given nudity, however --and I don't mean to be presumptuous here -- you can probably tell the difference between Adam and Eve. "He has a penis" becomes part of the answer.
But nudity must go along with immediately. Otherwise, you could just say, "How would you find Adam?"
Man, I hate it when I get geeklike.
BTW the Adam I met looked nothing like the da Vinci painting. Adam was a black man.
1. The radio is blastin', someone's knockin' at the door
I'm lookin' at my girlfriend - she's passed out on the floor
2. Her weapon were her crystal eyes,
making every man a man.
3. I got more important things to do
Than spend my time growin' old with you
4. Your time has come to shine
All your dreams are on their way
5. When we played tag in grade school
You wanted to be It.
But chasing boys was just a fad
You crossed your heart you'd quit.
Bonus: In what year were all these songs #1?
Momma Told me Not To Come=Three Dog Night (Randy Newman)
Venus=Shocking Blue
American Woman=Guess Who
Don't know
ABC=Jackson 5
1970?
Wombat - 1 Yes
2 yes
3 yes
4
5 right group, wrong song
I have the tune running through my head. I think it is by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young
1. Guess that's all I have to say
Except the feeling just gets stronger, everyday
2. Green fields and rolling hills
Room enough to do what we will
3. When it's time to function
as a feeling human being, will your
Bachelor of Arts help you get by?
4. I got my pills to ease the pain
Can't find a thing to ease the rain
5. Pulled out of San Pedro late one night
The moon and the stars was shinin' bright.
We was drivin' up Grapevine Hill
Passing cars like they was standing still.
1. Feeling Stronger Every Day=Chicago
5. Hot Rod Lincoln=Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen
1. Sorry, good try though
5. Correct
3. Correct.
2&4 remain.
Thank heavens he finally opted for the right answer; I'm not sure my heart could have stood up to the stress otherwise.
1) "God sent him."
2)"Get busy living, or get busy dying. That's god damn right."
3)"Then again, I wouldn't expect you to know the meaning of that word, hog boy."
4)"Why, Garfield? Are you cruising for a piece of ass?"
5)"God hates me, that's what it is."
6)"Maybe you'll find me more interesting with my clothes on!"
8)"Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a f#@% how crazy they are."
9)"To face ourselves - that's the hard thing. The imagination - that's God's gift, to make the act of self-examination bearable."
10)"You know, there's nothing more off-putting in a wedding than a priest with an enormous erection."
5) Lethal Weapon
7) I could swear it's Tom Hanks, and it's bugging me that I don't know which of his mid 80s movies it is.
8) It's not from Lost Boys, so I'm going to guess Dusk til Dawn. (haven't seen it, though)
10) Four Weddings and a Funeral
Right on the other four.
I give up on # 2, and I think Irv nailed number four.
Listed in order of difficulty: The easiest being listed first and so on...
A ) ...But of all these friends and lovers
there is no one compares with you
and these memories lose their meaning...
B ) There is a spark of magic in your eye
Candyland appears each time you smile
Never thought that fairytales came true...
C ) Oh yeah, yesterday my friends were marching out to war
Oh yeah, listen now we ain'ta marching anymore
No we ain't qualified, only God has the right, to decide, who's to live and die...
D ) ... She's the only one that makes me feel so good
Can't believe my luck, so I knock on wood
All my silent fears seem to fly away...
E ) ... I knew a man, that I did not care for
And then one day, this man gave me a call
We sat and talked, about things on our mind ...
F ) ... Pla-a-a-a-a-a-y girl, everyone knows your name
But He-e-e-e-e-e-ey girl, you know I love you just the same
Yeah, someday you will see, how lonely it can be, to be a ...
The first three were very popular bands, but the last three were one-hit wonders. I should delete "F". No one will ever get that one.It peaked at #49 on the charts, and then died a swift death. Five of these should be deciphered by the time I check in tomorrow morning. I have faith in y'all.
...I see your face before me, as I lay on my bed
I kinda get to thinking, of all the things you said... Shit. Now I have all these compilation CD songs in my head.
G'night !
(A) is of course the Beatles.
You ought to know better than to ask me about Chicago. Feh.
Fraaaaaankomatic
b. The Stylistics, Betcha By Golly, Wow!
And f is rattling around in my head, but I'll be danged if I can put my finger on it.
Irv was indeed correct on #4
That leaves #2. The answer is. . . .
Been to Canaan by Carole King
Thanks for playing.
Especially when the other answer was Shirley Jones. I do give him credit for the last question, though.
My wife keeps trying to get me to call them to qualify. As easy as most of the questions are, it is tempting.
You're kidding, right?
My sister says the same thing. It'd be a lot of work, though, and all for nothing if you don't get through the firewall at the end--ordering a group in less time than 10 other people.
Seriously. Where does a nice goyishe girl like you learn Yiddish?
Lots of places. My mother taught arts & crafts at the YMHA when I was a kid, plus her best friend was Jewish. I dated at least a dozen Jewish men, one of whom actually asked me to convert so we could get married. On top of which, have you forgotten where I went to school?
Very good! It was indeed Friend or Lover.The main chorus, of course, goes:
I think it's so groovy now
that people are finally getting together
I think it's wonderful to know
that people are finally getting together
Reach in the darkness
Reach in the darkness
Reach in the darkness
And you may find a friend
I'm really impressed, Ohio.
Deev,
I inserted "B" with you in mind. Very good! It was one of my favorite songs during my high school tenure. That Russell Thompkins Jr. could really belt them, and that city of Philadelphia really churned out some good music back then.
Bubbaette,
Is C War? Nope.
Clue ? I believe the song in question came out in 1967, a few years before War made it big. The front man of this popular 60s band did wear an afro and did resemble the harmonica player for War, though. One of his songs was resurrected in the 80s by one of those teen divas, whose name I can't think of of at the moment. Boire da vin.
I love those Gamble & Huff tunes, and pretty much everything that came out of Philly during those days. Teddy Pendergrass? Lord, Lord.....
The love I lost, was a sweet one
The love I lost...
Was it "sweet" ?
And yes, honey, it was a sweeeeeeeetttttt looooove.....
Oh shit. You got me playing Gamble and Huff tunes in my head now. I wish I had one-hundredth the talent those guys had. What remarkable talents.
Whoops. I got the shower running.Be back in a bit.
I'll never get behind this monitor nekkid. With technology moving as it is, someone might be staring back.
C ) Oh yeah, yesterday my friends were marching out to war
Oh yeah, listen now we ain'ta marching anymore
No we ain't qualified, only God has the right, to decide, who's to live and die...
D ) She's the only one that makes me feel so good
Can't believe my luck, so I knock on wood
All my silent fears seem to fly away ...
More clues ? "D" was a big hit in 1970. It was one of those studio bands put together just to churn out a single with some possible potential. I'm not sure, but I think the lead singer also sang for another studio creation which had a hit with a song titled, Sugar,Sugar around the same time.
"C" ? Well, other than what added info help I gave in # 6108, I don't know what else I could say, except to say that although I mentioned he wore an afro, the lead singer was not African-American, and well, if y'all go out tonight, tomen ese vino ( That's too much of a clue ).
Don't bother with "F". It really wasn't fair of me to include one-hit wonders that obscure.
TTFN
1. You are my whole, babe
My heart and my soul, babe
I'd have nothing to show, babe
If you should go away
2. Well if you want to be a movie star
I'll get a ticket to Hollywood.
But if you want to stay just the way you are
You know I think you really should.
3. I hope this letter finds it's way to you
Forgive me love for the shame I've put you through and all the tears
Hang on love to the memories of those happy years
4. We're no threat, people
We're not dirty, we're not mean
We love everybody but we do as we please
5. We were so close there was no room
We bled inside each other's wounds
We all had caught the same disease
And we all sang the songs of peace
That does it.
I'm posting a song quiz over the weekend. I'm tired of feeling left out.
1)The Commitments
3)Young Guns
4)Highlander
6)Rapid Fire
9)Six Degrees of Separation
2 is "Vehicle" by Ides of March
4 is "In the Summertime" by Mungo Jerry
5 is "Candles in the Rain" by Melanie
(These three were all hits in 1970; were 1 and 3 from that year also?)
1) Which Way You Goin' Billy - The Poppy Family
3) Indiana Wants Me - R. Dean Taylor
Ohio is right that all are from 1970
"C", belonged to an artist and his band which had quite a few pop hits during the mid to late 1960s. "D", despite being a one-hit wonder, continues to get plenty of air play to this day on oldie radio formats. It was a very big hit in 1970.
Are my songs that tough ?
What significant event took place in Europe in
800
1095
1415
1517
1648
1814
1848
None of the event have to do with science or discoveries.
(?? Was that a special one-question quiz rigged for me to win?)
Opening lines to "C", which I erroneously mentioned in an earlier clue ( sorry ) was released in 1967. It was actually a hit in 1969 :
Come on everyone we gotta get together now
Oh yeah, love's the only thing that matters anyhow
And the beauty of life can only survive
Part of the chorus to "D", the 1970 song:
She's got what it takes
And she know how to use it
Next time I'll try such toughies as the following:
MacArthur park is melting in the dark...
or
Hey there, Gorgy girl ...
or
I love you Mo, Mo, Mo, Mony
Sheesh! ;-)
No, I just got a contract--about 90% certain--in Ohio and it occurred to me that you might know more than I about this far off land. I think it's in Dayton--it is NCR.
800 -- errrrr... Arrival of the Stirrup from the east?
1095
1415 -- Battle of Agincourt? Or Crechy? Agincourt. Gotta be agincourt.
1517
1648
1814 -- God, I know this one. But yet I don't.
1848 --Publication of Das Kapital by Marx & Engler
None of the event have to do with science or discoveries.
Ah, Waterloo. How fucking stupid of me.
"How fucking stupid of me."
Oh sure, if I get it, its an easy one.
Oh, God. Another one. "Martin Luther hammers his fifteen theses to the door of the church in Wyrms (?)." Or was the Diet of Wyrms later?
Good lord. You really do get stupider as you get older.
Greystoke:
They were both easy, but I was too stupid to get them.
1648 was the year the 30 years war ended--Treaty of Westphalia, I think?
1095 was the year of the First Crusade--or one of them, anyway.
1415, the Battle of Agincourt,CalGal
1517, Luther posts his 95 articles (at Würtenberg), Greystoke.
1648, the Peace Treaty of Westphalia, CalGal
1814, Waterloo, Greystoke (what I had in mind was the Vienna Congress)
This leaves the first and last year. CalGal is on the right track for 1848 but the wrong work.
Pelle:
You say "Cal" for a couple of answers I got.
1848 must be the Communist Manifesto.
"A spectre is haunting Europe-- the spectre of Communism..."
Ace is also right about 1848 -the Communist Manifesto. The Paris Commune would also have been accepted.
This leaves 800 when someone was confirmed in power.
BTW "significant" and "in Europe" would seem to be contradictory.
So when, in your opinion, did real history befin? 1492 or 1776?
I wondered if you had picked up on that snide remark.
Well, believe it or not, history was occurring in what is now the U.S. even before it was "discovered" by Euro-peons.
"history was occurring in what is now the U.S. even before it was "discovered" by Euro-peons."
Such as?
Please explain precisely what this "history" consisted of.
Some Pre-Columbian cultures in North America:
Aztecs
Iroquois
More Iroquois
Cherokee
Various tribes
More about various tribes
Anasazi
Perhaps I'm not understanding the thrust of your question.
Is it history even though it wasn't recorded (i.e. written down)?
Is it history even if it has no effect on our society today?
I suppose if the answer to either of those questions is "no", then the events in pre-Columbian America are not history.
The Paris Commune was in 1871.
1848 was the year in which regime-threatening rebellions broke out in France, Austria, Hungary, Prussia, lesser German states, Russia. Was also the year of the Chartist petition in Britain. The rebellions in Germany inspired Marx.
Yes. Brain slippage.
"C", was Sweet Cherry Wine, by Tommy James and the Shondells.
"D", was My Baby Loves Lovin', by a one-hit wonder by the name of White Plains.
in what sense?
I thought you'd said
"I knew Tommy James once".
Duh. Sorry.
I gave clues left and right -- even one good one in the Cafe -- and it seems no one bit at them.
Relive your formative ears, Cal
This was my source for those lyrics.
Ohio, I am fascinated by one hit wonders. They make great trivia questions.
1. I know I can’t hide from a memory
´Though day after day I’ve tried
I keep sayin´ she’ll be back
But today again I lied
2. You say you're gonna leave
Gonna take that big white bird
Gonna fly right out of here
Without a single word
3. Lee you haven't loved me in nearly four years
You haven't noticed that I held back my tears
And now you have, but it's really too late
Better find yourself another girl
4. I feel fine I´m talkin´ bout peace of mind
I´m gonna take my time I´m gettin´ the good sign
5. Crime is increasing
Trigger happy policing
Panic is spreading
God knows where we're heading
3. Do You Know What I Mean by Lee Michaels.
5. Eve of Destruction by Barry Somebody?
And I am humiliated that I know these:
2. Don't Pull Your Love - Hamilton, Joe Frank, and Reynolds
4. Draggin' The Line - Tommy James and the Shondells
1. Diva
2. Diva
3. AytchMan
4. Diva
5. Wombat Right artist, wrong song. (My band covers this song. Great tune.)
Make me wanna holler
The way they do my life
This ain't livin', This ain't livin'
No, no baby, this ain't livin'
No, no, no
Diva:
I was doing that with Draggin' the Line.
well, I figgered.
1. Now it's been ten thousand years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what, he never knew
Now man's reign is through
2. It's just no good anymore since you went away
Now I spend my time just making rhymes of yesterday
3. I'll never get married
Never get married, you know that's not my scene
But a girl like you needs to be married
I've known all along you couldn't live forever in between
4. The hurtin's on me, yeah
And I will never be free, no, my baby, no no
You gave a promise to me, yeah
An' you broke it, an' you broke it, oh no
5. Everything here is so clear, you can see it
And everything here is so real, you can feel it
And it's real, so real, so real, so real, so real, so real
Can you dig it?
1) In the Year 2525, Zager and Evans.
2.
3.
4. Title - ? Group - Diva
5. Title - Diva Group - ?
BTW, Diva, #4 is a very good song by the Guess Who.
That's sort of an oxymoron.
You know I gotta give you hell about this stuff.
Just be glad I'm not posting the lyrics from those Yiddish Folk songs or from various operas.
3) The worst that could happen
2.
3. Title - Doc Brown
4. Title - Doc Brown Group -Diva
5. Title - Diva Group - ?
2. Title - Doc Brown
3. Title - Doc Brown Group -Fraaankser
4. Title - Doc Brown Group - Diva
5. Title - Diva Group - ?
The group in #2 is not a one hit wonder.
1. Doc Brown
2. Title - Doc Brown Group - Wombat
3. Title - Doc Brown Group - Fraaankser
4. Title - Doc Brown Group - Diva
5. Title - Diva Group - Fraaaankster
What threw me on throwing up Friends of Distiction as a possibilty is the fact that they sound so much like a couple groups of that era, most notably, The Fifth Dimension.
Give the title and the - I use the term loosely -artist. I suppose I should say culprit.
1. But I'm still an embryo
with a long, long way to go
until I make my brother understand.
2. If only for the sake of my sweet daughter
I had to turn back home right there and then
And try to make a new life with the mother of my child
I couldn't bear to hear those words again
3. You could have swept it from you, girl
But you wouldn't do it.
4. But 65 is old
My mother, God rest her soul
Couldn't understand why the only man
she had ever loved had been taken.
3. Having my baby Paul Anka
4. Patches Dobie Gray
3. Indy
4. Try again
Can't remember who did it.
Gilbert O'Sullivan!
Nice try, Frank, but no. And Indy has the title.
1. Indy
2. OPEN
3. Indy
4. Indy title, OPEN performer
1. Indy
2. OPEN
3. Indy
4. Indy Title, Fraaaaaank Performer
"Patches, I'm depending on ya son."
I'll look up the rest.
2. JJ
3. Indy
4. Indy/Frank
Damn, you guys know some shitty songs.
My poppa was a great ol' man
I can still see him with a shovel I his hand
Education he never had
He did wonders when the times got bad...
Yep, it was depressing. I thought I had that on a compilation CD somewhere ?
I can't play you guys. This thing is moving dreadfully slow today on this end.
And Deev, no, there wouldn't be any cursing and very little rap if I brought anything over...The key is to get people to dance.
The year was 1969, wasn't it ?
I figgered. You just got me kinda nervous with that Biggy Smalls reference.
1. With you there's a heaven, so earth aint so bad.
2. You've still got me and little Tommy, together we'll find a brand new mommy.
3. There was funky Billy Chin and little Sammy Chong. He said, here comes the big boss, let's get it on.
4. There was shouting in the street and the sound of running feet. And I asked someone who said "'Bout a hundred cops are dead!"
5. Together we've climbed hills and trees, learned of love and ABC's, skinned our hearts and skinned our knees.
There are times when I just like to lose myself in the music ( the bass, beat, etc. ), and friggin' cursing and hardcore rap just doesn't provide for that. I want to move, not make gang gestures. I can't stand most of that stuff !
By the way, why would Indy be "seething with envy" ( the ToL thread ) ?
I've just about had it with this thing. Jaysus it's slow !!!
I'm singing three and five, and I just can't peg them.
Indy,
Oh.
BTW, I can remember only the first names (I think) on who made #3 and #5.
#2 I thought of because of "Daddy Don't You Walk so Fast."
And #3 is a perennial "bad" song. Also, pretty sure it was a one-hit wonder.
I'm gonna have to get back to these. I have to go for the time being ... I haven't eaten anything.:-(
2. Elvis Don't Cry Daddy
3. (Everybody was) Kung Fu Fighting
It is heady to wield such power.
(snerk)
Mini-quiz: Name the source of the above quote.
John Holmes ?
( I can't believe I said that )
I am in the process of putting together an R&B quiz...give me a sec.
This thing is taking forever again today! :-(
Deev,
Did you catch post 6234 here last night ? I don't know if you did ?
Sitcom, huh ?
Okay. Name the artist(s), not the song. This is wa-a-a-a-ay too easy.
I'll be right back. I have to run to the post office.
Wake up everybody no more sleepin in bed
No more backward thinkin time for thinkin ahead
The world has changed so very much
From what it used to be so
there is so much hatred war an' poverty...
I love you
Yeah
Babe, I love you so
I want you to know
That I'm going to miss your love
The minute you walk out that door
Conversation is going 'round,
People talkin' bout the girl who's come to town.
Lovely lady, pretty as can be,
no one knows her name, she's just a mistery.
Cowboys to girls
I remember when I used to play shoot em up
(Shoot em up, bang, bang baby)
I remember when I chased the girls and beat em up ...
See the way he walks down the street
Watch the way he shuffles his feet
My, he holds his head up high
When he goes walking by
He's my guy
I have now.
JJ,
Not really considered R&B, but you are correct on number five. Sorry to mislead you on that one.
No more clues. I heading to breakfast. ttfn
( The compilation Cd playing on my carousel is cuurrently on Janis Ian's Society's Child, by the way )
You know, I sing that song to my mother every mother's day. Off-key and loudly and with cockeyed lyrics. She loves it.
Ike and Tina Turner ?! LOL !!!
( By the way, Deev, I was kidding about what song you would sing your mom )
during my dissolute and misspent youth. You are so funny, and yes, I'll try to find a copy of Electric Boogie to bring to your shindig. :-)
I'm so blue on the fact that I've never had some good ol' Kansas City barbeque. I hear it's so, so, so fresh
That's it !!! Youse guys, sheesh!
1.) Harold Melvin and the Bluenotes :Wake up Everybody. My Philly reference.
2.) KC and the Sunshine Band: Please don't go. The only song I haven't tired of from that band as of yet.
3.) Kool and the Gang : Fresh
I still remember their lead singer, JT Taylor, singing this at a Miss America pagent a few years back when it first came out. I like JT and all, but it is not the same horn oriented, funky KatG of the seventies which I was weened on. Those guys kicked ass back then !
4.) The Intruders ( Deev )
5.) The Crystals ( JJ )
TTFN
( I'm really disappointed, oh glowing one! )
You know, once I get over there ...
Well, I've got some shopping (yech!) to do, so TTFN once more.
Hawkeye: "Get your mind out of the gutter."
Trapper John: "I can't help it. It's attached to my body."
Thank you for playing.
B.J. Honeycutt upon opening the door to enter the Swamp : O-o-o-o-ohhh, rats !
Hawkeye : Hey Beeg, what's wrong ?
B.J. Honeycutt: Oh nothing. I just saw some rats.
JJ, M.A.S.H. was loaded with one line zingers. How was I suppose to remember one, out of what had to be hundreds of them ?
Not fair!
Oops!
One of my favorite quotes from M*A*S*H is "Just pull down your pants and slide on the ice" by Dr. Sydney Friedman. Since I don't want to disappoint you, I have a related trivia question. The first time Dr. Friedman appeared he had a different first name. What name did he use?
Wasn't he another character completely ? Just as Col.Potter was in a previous episode while Col.Blake was still in charge ?
Alan Arbus was perfect for the role of Dr.Sidney Friedman. His bedside/couch manner came across as so genuine. I wished he had appeared more during the early run of the series.
I thought he had played a wounded soldier or someone such as that before playing the role of Dr. Friedman.
1. I'm a friend to old Euell Gibbons
And I only eat homegrown spice
I got a John Keats autographed Grecian urn
Filled up with my brown rice
2. He came from the old Bar Mitzvah spread,
Schlepping a salami and pumpernickel bread.
He always followed his mother's wishes,
Even on the range he used two sets of dishes.
3. In the nick of time, a hero arose
A funny-looking dog with a big black nose
4. But you can be happy if you've a mind to
5. We spent the rest of that day and most of that night,
Trying to find my brother, Bill.
Caught up with him, 'bout six o'clock the next morning,
Naked, swinging on the wind mill!
3. "Snoopy versus the Red Baron"
4. "You Can't Roller Skate in a Buffalo Herd"
As Diva said a few days ago, we sure know a lot of shitty songs!
2.
3. Title - Ohio
4. Title - Ohio
5.
#2 predate Kinky by a couple of years.
Is my knowing the titles not shame enough?
3 is the Royal Guardsmen, and 4 is Roger Miller
I'm happy to say I don't know who sang #1 (actually, a pretty funny song).
2.
3. Title - Ohio Artist - Ohio
4. Title - Ohio Artist - Ohio
5.
1. Title - Ohio
2.
3. Title - Ohio Artist -Ohio
4. Title - Ohio Artist - Ohio
5. Title - Arky Artist - Arky
Not Jerry Reed?
#1 The artist was Larry Groce
#2 The song was Big, Bad Irving by Frank Gallop
Thank you for playing.
1) They stepped so high
and they made their bugles ring.
2) The fog was gone the seventh day
and they saw the morning sun.
3) He forgot more about the Indians
than we will ever know.
2) "Sink the Bismark?"
4) Sam crossed the Majestic Mountains
to the Valleys far below
He talked to his team of huskies
as he mushed on through the snow
3) He forgot more about the Indians
than we will ever know.
The answer:
"Jim Bridger" (sometimes called "Let's Drink to Old Jim Bridger")
I just looked through the earliest posts in this thread and could not find that quiz. Unless someone shows me that the quiz (or answers) are still here somewhere I will post it later today for you to ponder over the weekend.
It was in the Fray in the Mindless Palaver™ thread. I'm nearly convinced of it.
I just stumbled upon that old quiz, and it might be fun for this thread. Since none of us seems to know the answer to AytchMan's question, I think I will post my quiz.
Background:
The Gemini Era ended in 1966, signaling the beginning of the Apollo Era. This era ended in December of 1972, when Apollo 17 splashed down. An awful lot happened in those six years.
Below I will post a list of events. Your job is to classify them as Apollo Era or Not Apollo Era ("Apollo" or "Not" is fine). The party game was played in teams who had no outside reference materials. So feel free to ask nearby family or friends for help, but do not search the Internet.
Answers sometime Monday.
For this quiz, assume the Apollo Era ran from
January 1, 1966 until December 31, 1972
1) "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" is a number one smash hit for The Tokens.
2) TV commercials feature The Frito Bandito
3) Premier of the TV show "Room 222"
4) Elvis Presley's "Suspicious Minds" hits number one on the charts.
5) Premier of "The Rockford Files"
6) The 26th Amendment lowers the US voting age from 21 to 18.
7) You Light Up My Life is a number one hit for Debby Boone.
8) Last episode of TV's "Combat"
9) French President Charles de Gaulle resigns.
10) The Beatles second feature film, "Help!" opens in London.
11) "The Godfather" is awarded the Oscar for Best Picture.
12) The Doors "Light my Fire" is a top hit.
13) Premier of TV's "Baretta."
14) South Africa's government sentences Nelson Mandela to life imprisonment.
15) James Bond foils S.P.E.C.T.R.E. in "You Only Live Twice."
No 1,5,9,11,13,14
I will post the whole liest of answers later this afternoon.
1) "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" is a number one smash hit for The Tokens.
Not Apollo era. This Lion was at #1 way back in 1961.
2) TV commercial featuring The Frito Bandito
Apollo era. One ad had him scamming Fritos from astronauts on the moon.
3) Premier of the TV show "Room 222"
Apollo era. It premiered in 1969.
4) Elvis Presley's "Suspicious Minds" hits number one on the charts.
Apollo era. The King had this hit in 1969.
5) Premier of "The Rockford Files"
Not Apollo Era. Rockford first went on the case in 1974.
6) The 26th Amendment lowers the US voting age from 21 to 18.
Apollo era. The amendment lowered the voting age in 1971.
7) You Light Up My Life is a number one hit for Debby Boone.
Not Apollo era. Believe it or not this happened in 1977.
8) Last episode of TV's "Combat"
Apollo era. Combat's last season started in 1966.
9) French President Charles de Gaulle resigns.
Apollo era. De Gaulle resigned in 1969 and died in 1970.
10) The Beatles second feature film, "Help!" opens in London.
Not Apollo era. "Help!" made its London debut July 29, 1965.
11) "The Godfather" is awarded the Oscar for Best Picture.
Not Apollo era. While "The Godfather" was released in 1972; its Oscar was awarded in 1973.
12) The Doors "Light my Fire" is a top hit.
Apollo Era. This Doors fire was blazing in 1967.
13) Premier of TV's "Baretta."
Not Apollo era. Baretta went on the air in 1975.
14) South Africa's government sentences Nelson Mandela to life imprisonment.
Not Apollo era. Mandela was actually sentenced in 1964!
15) James Bond foils S.P.E.C.T.R.E. in "You Only Live Twice."
Apollo Era. Bond was nearly launched into space himself in this 1967 film.
Weights and Measures quiz:
Define the units below in more familiar ones and describe in which field or for what purpose they are (were) used. Most can probably be found on the net somewhere. I rely on you not to take that cheap route.
1. Gill
2. Light year
3. Furlong
4. Guinea
5. Grain
6. Chain
7. Hogshead
8. Angstrom
9. Beaufort
10. Köchel
11. Erdö
The three last is more in the nature of a scale or a series. I don't expect anyone to get the last one, net or no net. And the name is not Swedish just because there is an 'ö' in it. Hint: Hungarian.
Right on 2, 3, and 8. 4 might have been that, but not lately and it's lately (relatively speaking) I'm thinking about.
Aytchman is mainly right. It is a measure of wind based on observations in nature. "Leaves moving", "big branches moving" and so forth.
Gill. Same as above.
Hogshead. JJ is close It is 53 gallons. But it is used for a particular liquid.
Grain. Yes, It is a small weight but not that small. It is 0.002285 ounces. But what was it used for? Hint: Other weights used in these professions: scruples and drams.
Grain. Yes, and also by goldsmiths. Grains, scrupes and drams are all troy weights.
Chain. Wrong multiple. And what is then a rod?
Hogshead. Yes.
1. Gill
Dusty on use. Quantity open.
2. Light year
JJ
3. Furlong
JJ
4. Guinea
Open
5. Grain
JJ on size (almost). Jones on use,
6. Chain
Dusty on use. Quantity open.
7. Hogshead
JJ on quantity. Jones on use.
8. Angstrom
JJ
9. Beaufort
Aytchman
10. Köchel
Open. Hint: composer
11. Erdö
Open. Hint: mathematician.
It was not a coin (at least not in the last 100 years) and it's value was not 2 pounds but you are on the right track.
The measurement from fingertip to fingertip was standardized at six feet (insert pun here).
I'll post the answers towards the end of the day, US time, tomorrow.
1.)According to Sony Corporation,the sound in a movie theater is best in the so-called''sweet spot.'' Where is that?
A. Under the balcony
B. The front row
C. The back row
D. Three quarters back from the screen
E. Next to the left speaker
_______________
2.) Sanskrit proverbs say a woman's sexual desire is four times stronger than a man's is. Proverbs also say a woman has something eight times
greater than a man does. What is it?
A. Appetite
B. Intelligence
C. Bad Luck
D. Water Weight
________________
3.) Which celebrity is a direct descendant of someone who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Goldie Hawn
Bette Midler
George Clooney
Carrot Top
Scapulmancy is a painful method of fortune telling. What does it involve?
A.) Crooked Noses
B.) Body Scars
C.) Cracked Shoulder Bones
D.) Broken Hearts
2. bad luck
3. Goldie Hawn
4. Cracked shoulder bones
All correct, except for number two. How could you miss that one ?
... You want to talk about while I'm out there ?
Yes, can you imagine ? A Laugh In klutz is a decendent of someone who signed the D of I ?
Gill
Quantity: (none)
Purpose (Dusty)
The gill is 1/4 of a pint. In pubs in the UK liquor is served by 1/6 of a gill.
Light year
Quantity: (none, but implicit by JJ: very long distance)
Purpose: (JJ)
The distance travelled by light in one year. Used in astronomy.
Furlong
Quantity: (JJ)
Purpose: (JJ)
220 yards. Used in horse racing.
Guinea
Quantity: (none)
Purpose: (none)
A guinea was 21 shillings. It must once have been a coin, but in modern times it was only a way of displaying prices in snobbish shops on Oxford street. If the proce was 10 guineas you coughed up 10 pounds, 10 shillings (and a bob to the usher)
Grain
Quantity: (JJ was off a bit but knew it was a very small weight)
Purpuse: (JonesAtLaw)
A grain is 0.00285 ounces. It is a "troy and apotecharies weight"
Chain
Quantity: (none)
Purpose: (Dusty)
The chain is 22 yards (1/10 of a furlong) and is used in land surveying.
Hogshead
Quantity: (JJ)
Purpose: (JJ)
A hogshead is 53 gallons. Used for wine. For ale, 9 gallons make up a firkin, and 4 firkins makes a barrel.
angstrom
Quantity: (JJ)
Purpose: (JJ)
An angstrom (named after Swedish scientist Anders Ångström, 1814-74) is 1/10,000,000,000 meter. It is used to denote wavelength in the upper range of electromagnetic spectrum (from infrared and up).
Beaufort
Quantity: (NA)
Purpose: (Dusty)
Scale for wind speed especially at sea. Examples:
Force 3: Gentle breeze, large wavelets (0.6m), crests begin to break
Force 10: Storm, very high waves (9m), heavy sea roll, visibility impaired. Surface generally white.
Köchel
Quantity: (NA)
Purpose: (None)
Ludwig von Köchel (1800-77) was a music historian who ordered and numbered Mozart's works chronologically. Hence Köchel-number.
Erdö
Quantity: (NA)
Purpose: (none)
This is a curious one. Paul Erdö (1913- ) is a famous Hungarian mathematician. Around him has evolved the concept of Erdö-number. A matematician who has published a paper with Erdö has Erdö-1. Someone who has published with someone who has published with Erdö has Erdö-2 and son on.
Nice job.
I'm kicking myself, because I knew about Erdos (it is Erdos, isn't it?) numbers, but I didn't recall it until you mentioned it.
I thought JJ gave the quantity for a light year. If you were looking for more familiar units, it is about 6 trillion miles. In kilometers, in comes out reasonably close to a round number, 10 trillion (maybe three significant digits?)
Who would have guessed that Erwin Schrödinger would have Erdös number 8, while Bill Gates was a 4?
Thank you. Yes it is Erdös, I dropped the final 's'. I got to know about him and the Erdös number from this biography which is nicely written and not overly technical. He must have been a strange man, of no fixed abode, turning up at friends' doorsteps with his old suitcase greeting them with phrases like "assume that C is a complex number with such and such properties". He was obviously inspiring and had a knack for putting the right questions.
By the way, I hope you did not read my post in the Cafe about Kilimanjaro being a long walk as disparaging. I know you are a climber, so what I thought (but didn't write) was "Dusty is a climber, Kilimanjaro is no match for him".
Thanks for your concern. Originally, Kili interested me because I saw it as an opportunity to be on a mountain and take my family along. One of the major drawbacks of serious climbing is the time it takes—anything challenging is at least a month away from family.
This did't work out as I had planned. To my disappointment, my teenagers decided they had better things to do than go on a trek.
So that part did't work out, but the people organizing the trip are good friends from my prior job, so it will be a chance to see them again.
Now, we return you to your irregularly scheduled quizzes.
"When the day goes to sleep and the full moon looks,
And the night is so black that the darkness cooks,
You come creeping around, making me do things I don't want to do..."
"Bruce Berry was a working man, used load that Econoline van,
A sparkle was in his eyes, but his life was in his hands..."
Read this out loud as fast as you can:
This is this cat
This is is cat
This is how cat
This is to cat
This is keep cat
This is a cat
This is dummy cat
This is busy cat
This is for cat
This is forty cat
This is seconds cat
Now go back and read the THIRD word only, in each line from the start.
Ya got me! Now tap your head and repeat the Post Office's abbreviation for the state of Montana
Ha.
I don't get it. I read it through three times so it keep me busy for three or four minutes. What's this 40-second stuff?
it's really a test to see if you read to yourself aloud....
guess you didn't pass
Now I'm intrigued.
First off, I got the joke (really).
But is there supposed to be some difference between reading it aloud and just reading it to yourself? Boy, I hope I'm not gonna feel really dumb now.
It worked. My nose lit up.
1. They had bulges on their front bumpers in the 50's-60's that were nicknamed "Dagmars."
2. The Monkeymobile was a customized version of this 60's muscle car.
3. Daimler-Chrysler is axing the Plymouth nameplate. What was the last marque they axed?
4. GM once had a marque between Buck and Cadilac, what was it?
5. What marque was the last Presidential limo that was neither a Cadilac nor a Lincoln?
6. What automobile was a major feature of these three movies? Cobra, Rebel Without A Cause, and American Grafiti?
7. What American car was first offered with a "Blue Flame 6" for an engine?
8. What marque was known for introducing headlights flared into, and integral with the fenders?
9. What did the "Little Duece Coupe" start its life out as from the factory?
10. What innovation made the 49 Cadilac and the 50 Rocket 88 such a success in the Pan American races?
1. Hudsons
2. GTO
3. AMC
4. Oldsmobile
5. Buick Roadmaster
6. Isetta
7. Ford Fairlane
8. Tucker
9. Corvette
10. Curb feelers
needless too say ,I'm guessing....what the heck
CalGal- a marque is a brand name of automobile- a line of cars. Ford is a marque while Mustang is a model.
1.Cadilacs- the Dagmars were named for a buxom starlet.
3. Eagle was the last line axed by Chrysler, but it was after an aquisition. The last origingal Chrysler line axed was DeSoto.
4. LaSalle.
5. Packard
6. 1949 Mercury Coupe.
8. Pierce-Arrow
9. 1932 Ford Model A coupe.
10.Overhead Valve (pushrod) V-8.
Oooo! Oooo! You didn't give the answer to #7, which is the easiest one!
7. The wimpy six cylinder engine that was given the sexy name "Blue Flame Six" was put in all the original '53 Corvettes.
What I can't answer is why it was considered necessary to replace the yard or the mile as a unit of measure (other than anti-British spite).
toy check
Glenda and Ohio are correct. To be precise a meter was defined as 10-7 of the distance between the pole and the equator. The circumference is a little more than that because the earth is flattened at the poles.
Too late.
The obvious answer to your quation is Austria, but then the obvious is often wrong ...
You are correct, sir. The obvious is wrong.
Pascals are a measure of pressure of a gas- it is the metric measure, but I can't remember the formula- I think it is kg/liter
Newtons are a measure of force.
Carats are a measure standardized to the carob seed, which is remarkably consistent in weight and thus was an early standard in middle eastern trade.
Correct on all three.
But your definition of Pascal reveals - shall we say- a certain umfamiliarity with the metric system. Kg/liter is like pounds/pint, an interesting measure, but mysterious. Newton per square meter is what it is.
The meter was originally defined as 10-7 of the distance between the pole and the equator.Ohio
James Watt jones
The height of horses. Glenda
Pressure, especially in relation to gases.jones
Force jones
The carob seed. Also known as John's bread. jones
You force me to guesswork. Let's see now. The Holy Roman Empire, before it was shattered by Napoleon, ("neither Holy, nor Roman"), was made up by the Hapsburg lands, centered on Austria, bits and pieces of Germany before it becam Germany, and bits and pieces of Italy before it became Italy. Therefore, the answer must be France.
Let me give a hint. I assume that, by "last surviving constituent", the source for the question means that the country still exists and retains its territorial boundaries.
Didn't the Holy Roman Empire first make its appearance under Charlemagne?
Luxembourg?
I'm glad you asked me that question. It arose with the coronation (such as it was) of Otto of Saxony sometime before AD1000.
Yes, that's why I suggested France. Although Charlemagne put up residence in Aix, nowadays known as Aachen, an important railway junction in Germany where I have been shunted around a number of times.
Aytch
My final word on the matter: Liechtenstein.
It's odd. Liechtenstein was my first gut reaction. Must try to trust my instincts more.
I have now exhausted my current resources on Liechtenstein.
You need to get out more.
The meter was originally defined as 10-7 of the distance between the pole and the equator.Ohio
James Watt jones
The height of horses. /Glenda
Pressure, especially in relation to gases.jones
Force jones
The carob seed. Also known as John's bread. jones
Gesundheit.
Does it have to do with the difference between long and short tons? Other than that, I am, how you say, witthout the clue.
What are the most hazardous occupations? The top three, in terms of deaths per 100,000 workers:
#1 -178 deaths
#2 - 157 deaths
#3 - 88 deaths
The average for all jobs is 4.2 deaths per 100,000 workers.
The stats come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
We usually wait out one quiz before starting the next, not to get confused.
Aytch
Hint: the register ton doesn't refer to weight.
The meter was originally defined as 10-7 of the distance between the pole and the equator. Ohio
A horsepower is the force needed to lift 33,000 pounds one foot in one minute. Invented by James Watt jones
The height of horses. Glenda
Pressure, especially in relation to gases. jones
Force. jones
Electrical inductance. Named after American physicist Joseph Henry None
The carob seed. Also known as John's bread. jones
A register ton is a hundred cubic feet. "Net register tons" is less machine room, crew's quarters, etc None (But the volume angle was explored by Dave)
Street vendors got 13 pieces for the price of 12. They could then sell for the same price as in the bakery with the 13th piece making up their profit None.
Thanks to all who participated!
There are nine monarchies in Europe.
Which are they? Bonus point for reigning monarch.
Indy
Right on UK and Monaco. Right on Sweden being a monarchy but wrong on regent. Christina ruled 1632-60.
Does Belgium have a queen named Christine?
Indy is wrong again about Christine. I don't think there is any reigning monarch of that name.
We now have
Sweden, Monaco, Belgium (Indy)
Denmark (Diva)
Six to go!
Norway also has a monarchy, correct?
And we have the UK so that should knock us down to four.
Spain, Juan Carlos.
Luxembourg is a duchy.
Liechtenstein is good, Diva. I have to look up up San Marino. It was not on my list.
Two to go. One more is a mini-state.
Luxembourg is a duchy.
That's OK. We count duchies as monarchies. Liechtenstein is one too.
Diva
On San Marino by the CIA:
chief of state: cochiefs of state Captain Regent Pietro BERTI and Captain Regent Paolo BOLLINI (for the period 1 October 1998-31 March 1999)
head of government: Secretary of State for Foreign and Political Affairs Gabriele GATTI (since NA July 1986)
elections: cochiefs of state (captain regents) elected by the Great and General Council for a six-month term; election last held NA September 1998 (next to be held NA March 1999);
secretary of state for foreign and political affairs elected by the Great and General Council for a five-year term; election last held NA June 1998´
I guess it's not a monarchy.
Indy; Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Monaco, UK, Belgium, Spain (Diva a close second on that one.
Diva: Liechtenstein
glenda: Luxembourg
One to go!
Now between you and me: if I say Beatrix?
Final standings:
Indy: Sweden, Norway Monaco, UK, Belgium, Spain
Diva: Denmark, Liechtenstein (and close second on Spain).
glenda: Luxembourg
Commendations to all. To Indy for getting most of them. To Diva and glenda for getting the mini-states.
Easy enough to look them up, but perhaps you know them off the top of your head (at least for the Scandinavian countries).
The ruling house in Sweden is Bernadotte, in Denmark and Norway, Oldenburg, in Spain Bourbons. These are the ones I know. I think the House of Orange rules in Holland.
jones
Isn't "non-hereditary monarchy" somewhat of an oxymoron?
One can't help smirking at this formula, knowing that Albert is gay...
Or is the bit about Edward just a rumor?
What a story that would be!
Modern technology rescues ancient tradition. Film at eleven.
CalGal -- Edward Windsor is gay? Return the wedding gifts.
Then they could frolic in the petting zoo and ride the carousel, play with Legos, whatever the hell it is that Jacko does in his spare time.
Wombat -- those were simpler times.
I'm not sure I understand the question. Is it a real movie? Otherwise a couple of suggestion.
"Good vibrations"
"When the 13-incher slammed home"
"Sharp blade II"
"A Partner for life"
"I got a kick out of you - and a wooden leg"
"Fuck me gently with a chainsaw."
Additional hint: the film is approximately 10 years old.
It wasn't from Gandhi, either, so don't bother asking.
I think CalGal would know it, but here's the give-away clue: it featured two young actors as the leads, both of whom went onto bigger things. The female lead is surely one of the top 10 female draws, and the male lead has been compared with Jack Nicholson.
A last, drop-dead giveaway clue: the title was a character's name sort of.
J.D.
(crouching)
What?
J.D. snatches up his switchblade and lunges toward VERONICA.
She springs away, causing him to bring the knife down past her
and onto the middle red button, stopping the clock on the bomb
at 00:17.
VERONICA
Cool guys like you out of my life.
How many of these 13 countries can you name without sneaking a glance at a map?
Starting point: The two large, cut-off countries at the top left are Germany and Poland. 
careful... next we'll have a quiz on naming American states. (I'd actually be willing to give it a shot, if you could produce one).
I wonder if Americans can? Are they well-tutored in their country's geography? (I doubt many ordinary Europeans could name the countries in your quiz, btw).
A. Czech Republic
B. Slovakia
C. Austria
D. Slovenia
E. Hungary
F. Romania
G. Moldova
H. Ukraine
I. Croatia
J. Bosnia
K. Yugoslavia (Serbia, Montenegro and Kosovo)
L. Albania
M. Macedonia
N. Bulgaria
Keeping the propeller wet these day, are you?
How about Central Asia or the Caucasus (with or without disputed areas and autonous republics etc.)?
Syldavia was from King Ottokhar' Sceptre, in which Tintin saves the tiny kingdom from being overrun by its evil and communist neighbour, which was not called Serbia -the name slips my mind.
Mini-quiz : what was the name of the would-be invading country?
Bonus question : what country is generally identified as the model for Syldavia?
I always thought Albania was the model, but I may be wrong. It's been years since I read Tintin -- my own kids were never interested in the books.
Sto:
Sure, I'd welcome a Central Asian quiz.
Syldavia's evil neighbour country was Borduria. I am not sufficiently versed in Tintinology to know which countries they are generally reckoned to be modeled over. But Borduria uses the Cyrillic alphabet and has minarets, so I guess it could be Serbia or - better - Bosnia. Or, still better: Macedonia... Only thing is these weren't independent countries when Hergé wrote his stories.
Syldavia looks more like Hungary, I think. The Syldavian guards are sporting rather Hayduk-like attire, I believe.
Incidentally, while it's clearly an authoritarian country with the evil colonel Sponzsj in charge, I don't find it recognisably communist.
The answer I wanted was... Montenegro. Though I may have been influenced by a picture I've seen showing the "current" king of Montenegro (a French dentist) proudly holding a copy of the Tintin book. 
I just checked a Danish Tintin site and it turns out Hergé made King Ottokar's Scepter in 1938-9 which makes it unlikely that Borduria is communist - fascist, or crypto-fascist, is more likely (Hungary, Slovakia, or, perhaps, Croatia (which was part of Yugoslavia at the time, but had a nasty bout of Catholic Nazi regime during the German WWII occupation of Yugoslavia, as you know).
I was wrong about Borduria's alphabet. It's actually the Syldavian one that is Cyrillic.
As evidenced in the 
, or "GENDARMASKAIA" sign, gendarmerie (is there an English word for that?) 
After that impressive show I simply have to find a nit to pick:
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Here are the states I think I know:
17. Florida
16. Georgia
1. Maine
Embarrassing.
Those are correct, but it's a pretty pathetic performance. You don't even recognize New York?
(Hi Irv. I miss you.)
Tsk, tsk. None of your huffing about how ignernt us 'murrikins are for one week, or until you are able to do better on the quiz.
You should add (and Californians) on that list. Damned if I know half those states.
I'm a little disappointed that no one has managed to locate my state, the Mother of Presidents, yet.
Hint: I live in the "Western Reserve" of another state shown on that map.
2 is where Ronski goes to ski
3 is where the first presidential primaries/caucuses take place
4 includes the posh vacation spots of many a president
5 is where PsychProf lives
6 is where a famous jazz festival takes place
7 is where my favorite baseball team makes its home
8 is where DantheMan lives and where Pseudoerasmus went undergrad
9 is my home state
10 has a fried chicken dish named after it
11 was the first state to sign the Declaration of Independence
12 is where there are lots of coal mines
13 is where I live now
14 and 15 have part of their names in common, and their geographic relations to one another as the other part of the names
18 is included in the names of a Thelonious Monk composition and a Nina Simone song
19 is where George Wallace once reigned as governor
Hee-hee-hee.
At least two Moties go by handles that include the names of states on that map.
Pelle, reverse the clues for 18 and 19. Sorry.
and thanks, Indy, for correcting my gaffe.
I'm about due for another butt waxing...
never. And do you know, preggos actually exhibit a leap in cognitive ability in the second trimester? Who knows, I may actually clean Pseudo's clock in an economics debate one of these days.
Now bend over.
3. New Hampshire
7. Is New York in New Jersey?
9. Virginia?
10. Kentucky (I think that it is farther west, but it's the only chicken dish I know)
19. Alabama
7 - no, they are two separate but contiguous states.
9 - no, it's my birthplace, not where I live now.
10 - no, it's where the US Naval Academy is.
19 is actually 18, since I screwed up the clues.
I'm confused.
9 is my home state
13 is where I live now
I said: 9. Virginia.
Diva
You have completely lost me in a semantics quagmire. What's the precise difference between (1) "my birthplace", and (2) "the place where you were born"? (I assume that "you" in (2) in this case refers to you and not to me)
'my birthplace' and 'my home state' mean the same thing.
'my home state' and 'where I live now' in my case, mean two different states.
Clear as mud, huh?
OK, so I was right about 9 in the first place?
We would need the his Lordship to help us with bizarre and inane ideas for the Parade. I wonder where he is.
This is not a quiz although you might want to mull over it for a minute to see how many countries you can identify.
I found it here. There are many maps which can be displayed with or without names and can be downloaded in GIF or PDF format. Looks great for playing geograpichal games.
Here you go. I think I got them all. I was unsure of a couple (the relative position of Rwanda/Burundi and Lesotho/Swaziland) but my instinct seems to have been correct in each case. Though please feel free to find nits to pick (like the fact I didn't include the Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla).
Afica
1. Maine
2. Vermont
3. NH
4.
5. Connecticut
6. Rhode Island
7. New York
8. Pennsylvania
9. NJ
10. Kentucky
11. Wash.DC
12. Virginia
13. N.c.
14. S.C.
15. Georgia
16.
17. Fla.
18. Louisiana (on glenda's tip)
19.
20. Tennessee(?)
21. Missouri
22. Ohio
23. Illinois
24. Michigan
You are incorrect on numbers 10, 11, 12 (Wash DC is not a state) and you are one state too far north on 13, 14 and 15 (though you have the relative placement correct).
18, 21, and 23 are also incorrect, but all the states you missed are only off by one or so, and it is an outstanding performance for a European, putting many Americans to shame.
My only disappointment is that you missed a very important and noteworthy state in #4... one of my personal favorites. Hint: the home of the Kennedys.
To my chagrin I can't find any nits to pick.
Here is one that will make you cringe, I hope. Sorry, about the quality. I had to enlarge the original 
Less accomplished map-maniacs get a bonus point for naming one country.
This was easier than I thought it was going to be. I guess it's not as complex as I had thought. I would have been lost if you had included the Russian autonomous republics.
Central Asia
#4 is Massachusetts, right?
Make no mistake.I looked for the Russian autonomous republics but could not find a nameless maps. So I had to settle for the next best. If you did that without reference (which I presume you did), I'm impressed.
If I need a reference (like for Russian Autonomous Republics), I'll let you know. I'm pretty sure I can identify every country in the world on a map, as well as many cities, lesser political units, and geographical features.
I really wanted "to put you on the rim of the pot", a totally inexplicable Swedish idiom meaning "to make it difficult for you".
Name the two companies which vied for native fur trade out of Canada's main interrior post/s during the 17th century to approx. the end of the 19th century.
Bonus, which one consumed the other when a merger eventually took place? 
Mini-quiz
From where does the words "tip" (purportedly) originate?
Game over.
No, wait. It wasn't T.I.P. It was T.E.P.S. = To Ensure Prompt Service. And it was the tea houses that had them. TEPS was then transmortified into "tips" as time decurred.
The box—the possibility of hallucination aside—was probably made in 1985 by someone who believed in that etymology and thought it would be amusing to evoke the gentility of a bygone age.
It was definitely older than 1985. At least 1979, perhaps even before.
1. Name the country whose currency is:
a: the Kwacha
b: the Pula
c: the Gourde
d: the Coupon
2. What comes after each of these:
a: the Ordovician
b: the Eocene
c: the Holocene
3. a: Approximately how much blood is contained in an adult human male, in gallons?
b: How many red blood cells does the same fellow house, approximately, in trillions?
c: solve for x: "The body destroys about x million old red blood cells every minute."
4. Who or which is the elder:
a: The Venus of Willendorf or the paintings at Lascaux?
b: The Buddha or Zoroaster?
c: The Magna Carta or the accession of Genghis Khan?
d: Hamilton or Robespierre?
5. Name five different kinds of lute.
3. 3/4
4. Lascaux, Zoroaster, Khan, Hamilton
"3/4": Huh?
On #4, you got one right. Details in white: The Venus is much the elder, at c. 32,000-25,000 years BP vs. 15,000-10,000. Zoroaster's birthdate is given (in Chambers Biographical Dictionary)as c. 630 BC, vs. the Buddha's c. [?] 563 BC. And the Magna Carta was in 1215; Genghis' enthronement in 1279. Hamilton, however, was indeed older than Robespierre, though only just (1757 vs. 1758)
And apologies to jones.
Pelle, right on the kwatcha. As to the currency of the currency "coupon", I don't know. My source, the not-unimpeachable-I-would-imagine Collins Gem Encyclopedia, was revised, how thoroughly I know not, in 1995.
(Love the name, though.)
I think sto is right on the Coupon. It was used in Ukraine before they got a proper currency going.
Gem has Ukraine's as the Karbovanets. Sounds like a car.
Happy holidays, all.
Mini quiz
1. Everyone knows who Jethro Tull are. But who was the real Jethro Tull?
2. Waht is the origin of the term 'tarmac'?
Tarmac: I am thinking that it is a macadam roadbed covered with tar. This appears associated mostly with airport runways.
I don't know about the plow. But in any case he was an inventor of agricultural machines. The one I konow of is the sowing machine.
You are right about tarmac too. An of couse you know that MacAdam was a Scotsman who came up with a roadbed constituted (from the bottom up) by progressively smaller stones.
Both of these are late 18th early 19th centuray characters.
It's getting late here.
Click on picture 
Check out Message # 1145, question #2.
Incidentally, Jethro Tull will be performing nearby tomorrow night. Haven't decided whether or not to go; depends on how much beer I drink while football is on.
Haha! I remember the quiz but not that particular question. I see that stumbo nailed it. My post was an off-the-cuff thing prompted by reading Jethro's name in a textbook on economic history.
Heh. I just looked at it one of those "great minds think alike" deals. I didn't go see Tull perform last night, but I did pop in the 25th anniversary edition of Thick as a Brick (much to the chagrin of my wife).
And I remember this variant from my childhood: 
It's a Bickford & Huffman grain drill.
1. Name the country whose currency is:
a: the Kwacha Zambia (Pelle got this one.)
b: the Pula Botswana
c: the Gourde Haiti
d: the Coupon Georgia (& Ukraine; see Message # 6568 et seq.
2. What comes after each of these:
a: the Ordovician the Silurian
b: the Eocene the Oligocene
c: the Holocene the future
3. a: Approximately how much blood is contained in an adult human male, in gallons? one
b: How many red blood cells does the same fellow house, approximately, in trillions? twenty
c: solve for x: "The body destroys about x million old red blood cells every minute." 120
4. Who or which is the elder: (Jones got two of these right; see msg 6565.)
a: The Venus of Willendorf or the paintings at Lascaux? Venus
b: The Buddha or Zoroaster? Zoroaster
c: The Magna Carta or the accession of Genghis Khan? the Magna Carta
d: Hamilton or Robespierre? Hamilton
5. Name five different kinds of lute. Any five of: lute (standard or garden variety); three smaller kinds—mandora, bandola, lutina; three larger kinds—theorbo, archliuto, chitarrone; and, arguably, the vihuela or lute-guitar.
Gadsby was walking back from a visit down in Branton Hills' manufacturing district on a Saturday night. A busy day's traffic had had it's noisy run; and with not many folks in sight, His Honor got along without having to stop to grasp a hand, or talk; for a mayor out of City Hall is a shining mark for any politician. And so, coming to Broadway, a booming bass drum and sounds of singing told of a small Salvation Army unit carrying on amidst Broadway's night shopping crowds. Gadsby, walking toward that group, saw a young girl, back toward him, just finishing a long, soulful oration...
The book was written in protest of F. Scott Fitzgerald's "The Great Gatsby". Wright wanted to counter the negative view put forth by Fitzgerald. Only a few thousand copies were printed and today the book is exceedingly rare (and probably quite valuable). Incidentally, it was supposedly a dreadful novel, literary-wise.
Today's quiz—what else is notable about this novel? (Please answer in white font if you know, so others can play)
1) On The Drew Carey Show, Drew's dog Speedy has a favorite TV show. What is Speedy's favorite show? Why does he like it?
2) Where would you find a restaurant that sells Tony Paco's Hungarian hotdogs?
3) On Family Ties Mallory Keaton dreamed of opening a boutique at a shopping mall. What was the cutsie name she invented for her little dream store?
4) What radio staion was the arch rival to WKRP?
5) What is the secret theme to this quiz?
er......Doc Brown watches too much TV?
Diva gets a half point for #5, though it is not the answer I had in mind. Instead of watching TV I should be at the gym, becoming buff.
#5 The common thread is Ohio
VW is close on #4, but the call letters are wrong. I am surprised that OhioSTOPAS guessed KARP, since very few radio stations in this state begin with a K.
Is #4 WPIG?
Hint: the answer to #1 is a current show on another network, and was mentioned on this week's episode.
My trivia question: what major city features a mix of "W" and "K" stations (14 W and 31 K stations)?
I would guess that Minneapolis- St.Paul is what you're after.
Mpls (even without St. Paul) is the correct answer.
That's interesting about Omaha. I wonder how many other exceptions there are.
United States Call Sign Policies
Excerpt:
The KDKA Anomaly
Showing partiality to vowels, the next major blocks drawn upon for ship stations were four-letter combinations of KI--, KO--, and KU--. After exhausting the vowels, and with KA-- to KC-- not yet assigned to the United States, the first available consonant, KD--, was drafted beginning June 1920. At this point an anomaly occurred. The Bureau, perhaps caught up in a burst of egalitarianism, began assigning the last of the KU--, and the new KD-- calls to most stations, whether land or sea. The result, on October 27, 1920, was that a new Westinghouse station in East Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, KDKA, was sandwiched between the ships Montgomery City (KDJZ) and Eastern Sword (KDKB). The "KD-- for everyone" policy continued until April, 1921, when the original three-letter land station policy was reinstated. This meant that, in May, 1921, when the second Westinghouse broadcast station, WJZ in Newark, New Jersey (now WABC, New York City) was authorized, the original call policy had been restored. Much speculation has been made about the unique status of KDKA's call, but this uniqueness actually is just a fluke, due to the fact that no other surviving broadcaster was licenced during this short anomaly. Had KDKA been licenced a few months earlier or later it most likely would have gotten a three-letter W call like everyone else.
It was only in late January of 1923 that the Mississippi River, the current standard, was adopted as the dividing line. This meant new call grants in North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, and western Minnesota and Louisiana became K's rather than W's. However, existing stations west of the Mississippi were permitted to keep their now non-standard W calls. Thus, pioneer broadcasters such as WKY Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, WOI Ames, Iowa, and WHB Kansas City, Kansas remain as monuments to the period before the boundary change.
In reviewing the stations on the AM band, many people have noticed that some of them have the "wrong" first letter for the side of the Mississippi River on which they are located. In reviewing the last seventy-five years of call letter assignments for AM stations, I came up with six categories of non-conforming stations:
And a related site:
[T]he original government document, Radio Call Letters [C11.2:R115], which reported United States radio station call letter policies, as of May 9, 1913.
1) On The Drew Carey Show, Drew's dog Speedy has a favorite TV show. What is Speedy's favorite show? Why does he like it?
3) On Family Ties Mallory Keaton dreamed of opening a boutique at a shopping mall. What was the cutsie name she invented for her little dream store?
1) The favorite TV show of Drew's dog Speedy is Ally McBeal. Speedy thinks Ally is a bone.
2) Mallory Keaton dreamed of opening a boutique at a shopping mall, which she would name "What's In Store." This was a kind of silly question, whose only purpose was to include a bit more of the Ohio theme.
Big surprise here: OhioSTOPAS won the Ohio sitcom quiz!
X is Mexico, isn't it?
Yes (check out my link in Message # 6620)
Mallory Keaton dreamed of opening a boutique at a shopping mall, which she would name "What's In Store." This was a kind of silly question, whose only purpose was to include a bit more of the Ohio theme.
I had a very vague recollection of her "dream"; I thought the answer would ring a bell, but it didn't. However, I'm missing the tie-in to Ohio.
Dusty: Family Ties was set in Ohio, in an unnamed neighborhood or suburb on the north side of Columbus. If you think hard, you might remember that youngest daughter Jennifer was a huge fan of the Cleveland Indians.
Oh OK. I thought you meant that the store name had a tie-in to Ohio.
Angel, I have no idea why I remember that. Family Ties was just a show my family watched when I was in high school. I identified with Alex because we were about the same age and both had two younger sisters.
I shall try again to scale the heap o creep.
Save its life, its goin' down for the last time...
Test Your Southern knowledge
1) How many Vienna Sausages are in a can?
2) What was the number and color of Richard Petty's cars?
3) Bill Dance is good at what?
4) What university does Bill Dance root for?
5) Where did Herschel Walker play (college) football?
6) After boiling peanuts for an hour you have what?
7) In cubic inches, how big is the smallest 1966 GM small-block V8?
8) A Cajun is likely to speak what furrin' language?
9) What is a chigger?
10) What is scrapple?
11) Where is "The Redneck Riviera"?
12) What's that fuzzy stuff hanging off the oak trees?
13) What follows logically? Johnson, Mercury, _________.
14) What's the common name for a bowfin?
15) If you mated a heifer and a steer, what would you get?
16) Who sang "Your Cheatin' Heart"?
17) What are grits made out of?
18) Who was nicknamed "The Bear"?
19) Why is the Blue Ridge blue?
20) What did The Baldwin Sisters make?
21) Who was Andy Taylor's love interest?
22) What are the radio station call letters that carries "The Grand Ol' Opry"?
23) Where would you find Vidalia County?
24) What sport requires 3 legs and a rope?
25) What instrument did Bill Monroe typically play?
26) How many strings on a banjo? (two possible answers)
27) When you argue with a fool, what is he doing?
28) What is a scuppernong?
29) Do you want the goats to get into the kudzu?
30) Why do you want to eat "high on the hog"?
31) What color is a John Deere?
32) What do you call the offspring of a mule?
33) What will you harvest when you plant "shade"?
will post answers tomorrow if there are no takers.
8) French
10) Is scrapple southern? I thought it was Pennsylvania Dutch. Various pork orts and gobbets, spices, cornmeal, chopped up and made into a loaf. Slice it, fry it up with eggs. Yum!
11) Gulf coast of Alabama.
12) Spanish Moss
13) Evinrude (sp?) (outboard motor)
14) Tuna
15) Nuthin'
16) Hank Williams, Sr.
17) Corn
18) Paul Bryant (Coach of Alabama U. Football for years)
32) Impossible
9. A little teeny bug that gets under your skin and burns and itches like hell
23. Georgia
26. Four or five
28. Grape and wine
29. Yes
30. Cause the closer you get to his butt, the tougher his meat is.
31. Green and yellow
I guess you can take the New Yorker out of New York, but...
1-4 OPEN
5) Wombat - University of Georgia
6-7 OPEN
8) Wombat - French
9) Diva - A redbug (small parasite)
10) Wombat - A sausage-like loaf made out of pig parts
11) OPEN - Sorry, Wombat
12) Wombat - Spanish moss
13) Wombat - Evinrude
14) OPEN - Sorry, Wombat
15) Wombat - Nothing. A steer has been castrated.
16) Wombat - Hank Williams
17) Wombat - Corn
18) Wombat -Paul Bryant
19-22 OPEN
23) Diva - Georgia
24-25 OPEN
26) Diva - 5
27 OPEN
28) Diva - A wild grape
29) Diva -Yes
30) Diva - Because that's where the better cuts of meat are. Rich folks live high on the hog.
31) Diva - Green & Yellow
32) Wombat - Trick animal husbandry question. Mules are generally sterile.
33 OPEN
MG: nope.
21) PP - Helen
21. Thelma Lou?
that was Barney's squeeze
Ducky: She was, too! Ask Prof.
And he did have another love interest in later seasons.
It's spelled 'terbacky'.
I didn't know there were any Southern sports that involved a rope.
Well, not since the Civil Rights Act, anyway.
1 How many Vienna Sausages are in a can?
2 What was the number and color of Richard Petty's cars?
3 Bill Dance is good at what?
4 What university does Bill Dance root for?
5) Wombat -University of Georgia
6 After boiling peanuts for an hour you have what?
7 In cubic inches, how big is the smallest 1966 GM small-block V8?
8) Wombat - French
9) Diva - A redbug (small parasite)
10) Wombat - A sausage-like loaf made out of pig parts
11) Ohio - Panama City, FL
12) Wombat - Spanish moss
13) Wombat - Evinrude
14) What's the common name for a bowfin?
15) Wombat - Nothing. A steer has been castrated.
16) Wombat - Hank Williams
17) Wombat - Corn
18) Wombat -Paul Bryant
19 Why is the Blue Ridge blue?
20 What did The Baldwin Sisters make?
21) PP - Helen
22 What are the radio station call letters that carries "The Grand Ol' Opry"?
23) Diva -Georgia
24 What sport requires 3 legs and a rope?
25) glendajean - Mandolin
26) Diva - 5
27 When you argue with a fool, what is he doing?
28) Diva - A wild grape
29) Diva - Yes
30) Diva - Because that's where the better cuts of meat are. Rich folks live high on the hog.
31) Diva - Green & Yellow
32) Wombat - Trick animal husbandry question. Mules are generally sterile.
33) Ohio - Tobacco (although i prefer diva's spelling)
i am really very surprised at that.
MG: nope. picture the little deviled ham type can and how they are arranged
Father was called The____
Sister(Emily?) had imagined Beau with the name of_____
3. 283. Increasing the bore and stroke of that block in 1966 also produced the 307, and the 327. Later versions were 350's and 400's. It's the Mouse motor, as opposed to the big block 427 and 454's which are Rat motors.
14. Tuna
24. Calf roping
The same thing.
"Why is the Blue Ridge blue? "
fog?
"What sport requires 3 legs and a rope?"
Three-legged race
" What's the common name for a bowfin? "
"After boiling peanuts for an hour you have what?"
boiled peanuts.
4. He's a Vols fan.
Hm. Guess we're not nincompoops.
J@L:
- close enough on 2. (43, blue and red - not orange)
- i assume you meant 283 for number 7, not 3 and you are correct
- you're the 2nd person to answer Tuna - which isn't what the answer i have says
- 24 is Calf roping
-both bill dance answers are correct
Rask:
- 27 is correct - same thing
- 19 is not because of fog, no
- you didn't answer the bowfin question
- the peanuts answer is close, but not quite
1 How many Vienna Sausages are in a can?
2) JonesAtLaw - 43, red and blue
3) JonesAtLaw - Fishin'
4) JonesAtLaw - University of Tennessee
5) Wombat - University of Georgia
6 After boiling peanuts for an hour you have what?
7 JonesAtLaw - 283
8) Wombat - French
9) Diva - A redbug (small parasite)
10) Wombat - A sausage-like loaf made out of pig parts
11) Ohio - Panama City, FL
12) Wombat - Spanish moss
13) Wombat - Evinrude
14) What's the common name for a bowfin?
15) Wombat - Nothing. A steer has been castrated.
16) Wombat - Hank Williams
17) Wombat - Corn
18) Wombat - Paul Bryant
19 Why is the Blue Ridge blue?
20 IJ - "The Recipe"
21) PP - Helen
22 What are the radio station call letters that carries "The Grand Ol' Opry"?
23) Diva - Georgia
24) JonesAtLaw - Calf roping
25) glendajean -Mandolin
26) Diva - 5
27) Rask - the same thing
28) Diva - A wild grape
29) Diva - Yes
30) Diva - Because that's where the better cuts of meat are. Rich folks live high on the hog.
31) Diva - Green & Yellow
32) Wombat - Trick animal husbandry question. Mules are generally sterile.
33) Ohio - Tobacco (although i prefer diva's spelling)
i'll give you a hint - they aren't so blue in the winter
six in the circle and the one in the center
7) Dang it, I missed my shot at a car engine question!
19) The Blue Ridge is the home of Blue Grass.
21) I have a gripe here. Before Helen Crump became Opie's teacher and Andy's main squeeze, Andy dated Ellie Walker. She worked behind the counter at the drugstore in Mayberry. Ellie was played by Elinor Donahue, a much bigger star than the no-name who played Helen.
So there are two correct answers.
when i posted the car engine question, i thought it'd sit there til you answered it. i kinda agree with your 21 answer, but Helen is far and away the more recognizable sweetie by Mayberry-files.
and no on 19, btw
1) CalGal - 7
2) JonesAtLaw - 43, red and blue
3) JonesAtLaw -Fishin'
4) JonesAtLaw - University of Tennessee
5) Wombat - University of Georgia
6 After boiling peanuts for an hour you have what? - Hard peanuts
7) JonesAtLaw - 283
8) Wombat - French
9) Diva - A redbug (small parasite)
10) Wombat - A sausage-like loaf made out of pig parts
11) Ohio - Panama City, FL
12) Wombat - Spanish moss
13) Wombat - Evinrude
14) What's the common name for a bowfin? - Mudfish
15) Wombat - Nothing. A steer has been castrated.
16) Wombat - Hank Williams
17) Wombat - Corn
18) Wombat - Paul Bryant
19 Why is the Blue Ridge blue? - Pollen
20) IJ - "The Recipe"
21) PP - Helen
22 What are the radio station call letters that carries "The Grand Ol' Opry"? - WSM
23) Diva - Georgia
24) JonesAtLaw - Calf roping
25) glendajean - Mandolin
26) Diva - 5
27) Rask - the same thing
28) Diva - A wild grape
29) Diva - Yes
30) Diva - Because that's where the better cuts of meat are. Rich folks live high on the hog.
31) Diva - Green & Yellow
32) Wombat - Trick animal husbandry question. Mules are generally sterile.
33) Ohio - Tobacco
1. Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting.
2. There comes a time in every man's life and I've had many of them.
3. I knew when it went over the fence that it was a home run!
4. Line up in a circle.
5. That's Tom Glavine's sixth strikeout, for those of you scoring at home; or even if you're alone.
6. Great pitching is better than great batting; and vice versa.
7. Predictions are tricky. Especially about the future.
8. I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me.
diva: isn't your quiz sports related? then i haven't a clue
wrong on #2. And you ain't gettin' off that easy with the rest of em, neither.
yeahp. Sorry.
no, sorry.
#6: Yogi?
#7: Stengel?
#8: Michael Jordan?
6. Yes
7. No
8. No
1. Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting.
2. There comes a time in every man's life and I've had many of them.
3. I knew when it went over the fence that it was a home run!
4. Line up in a circle.
5. That's Tom Glavine's sixth strikeout, for those of you scoring at home; or even if you're alone.
6. Great pitching is better than great batting; and vice versa. (Yogi said it, CM got it)
7. Predictions are tricky. Especially about the future.
8. I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me.
(and the theme of the quiz is baseball.)
2. There comes a time in every man's life and I've had many of them.
3. I knew when it went over the fence that it was a home run!
4. Line up in a circle.
5. That's Tom Glavine's sixth strikeout, for those of you scoring at home; or even if you're alone.
6. Great pitching is better than great batting; and vice versa. Yogi CMBoyce
7. Predictions are tricky. Especially about the future. Yogi CMBoyce
8. I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me.
Yes on 3, no on 8.
#2: Yogi Berra
#3: Yogi Berra
#4: Yogi Berra
#5: Yogi Berra
#8: Yogi Berra
2. There comes a time in every man's life and I've had many of them.
3. I knew when it went over the fence that it was a home run! Dizzy Dean PsychProf
4. Line up in a circle.
5. That's Tom Glavine's sixth strikeout, for those of you scoring at home; or even if you're alone.
6. Great pitching is better than great batting; and vice versa. Yogi CMBoyce
7. Predictions are tricky. Especially about the future. Yogi CMBoyce
8. I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me.
WRONG.
And I agree with Indiana re Casey. That sure rings a bell. And #4 would sound right in his mouth as well. Could there have been a mistake back at the beginning, Diva, with you thinking Indiana's answer had been for some other question?
2. There comes a time in every man's life and I've had many of them. Casey Stengel Indy
3. I knew when it went over the fence that it was a home run! Dizzy Dean PsychProf
4. Line up in a circle. Casey Stengel CMBoyce
5. That's Tom Glavine's sixth strikeout, for those of you scoring at home; or even if you're alone.
6. Great pitching is better than great batting; and vice versa. Yogi CMBoyce
7. Predictions are tricky. Especially about the future. Yogi CMBoyce
8. I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me.
In that spirit (and without meaning to close out Diva's quiz, just stimulate the quizzees), here's a small non-baseball quiz.
Who wrote each of the following:
1. "A wise woman never yields by appointment. It should always be an unforeseen happiness."
2. "I have heard of your paintings, too, well enough; God has given you one face, and you make yourselves another."
3. "I know only that what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after."
4. "what in hell have I done to deserve all these kittens"
5. "They were Americans, and they knew how to worship a woman."
2. There comes a time in every man's life and I've had many of them. Casey Stengel Indy
3. I knew when it went over the fence that it was a home run! Dizzy Dean PsychProf
4. Line up in a circle. Casey Stengel CMBoyce
5. That's Tom Glavine's sixth strikeout, for those of you scoring at home; or even if you're alone. Keith Olbermann
6. Great pitching is better than great batting; and vice versa. Yogi CMBoyce
7. Predictions are tricky. Especially about the future. Yogi CMBoyce
8. I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I want all the kids to copulate me. Andre Dawson
Sorry, guys.
1. "She's real fine my 409.." what was she specifically?
2. What was Maybeline riding in?
3. What does Sally drive?
4. What would the registration papers describe a "Duece Coupe" as?
5. Beep, Beep; Beep, beep, who's horn went beep, beep, beep?
6. Son, you must take my word, if there's a God up in heaven, he drives a what?
7. What started to swerve as it headed into Deadman's curve.
8. Come along and ride in my fantastic _____________?
9. What Beatles song would best fit this quiz?
7.
3. Mustang
5. Road Runner or short people
6. Thunderbird?
7) The Jag
I'll answer #1 tomorrow, if it hasn't been taken by then.
#6: I agree with Indiana, just on the strength of the rhyme: Thunderbird
Diva: Who is Keith Olbermann? Great quiz, btw.
#2. Shakespeare (Hamlet, I think)
(9) ...do it in the road...?
*ahem* sorry.
I dimly remember something about #3. Hemingway I think, but I'm only guessing.
Doc gets 5, 7 and 4.
cmboyce gets what I was thinking of, and bonus as well for Why Don't We Do it in the Road?
Who wrote each of the following:
1. "A wise woman never yields by appointment. It should always be an unforeseen happiness."
2. "I have heard of your paintings, too, well enough; God has given you one face, and you make yourselves another." Shakespeare (SnowOwl)
3. "I know only that what is moral is what you feel good after and what is immoral is what you feel bad after." Hemingway (SnowOwl)
4. "what in hell have I done to deserve all these kittens"
5. "They were Americans, and they knew how to worship a woman."
#5 isn't really fair. No one will get it—I wouldn't myself. I found it in the weekly TLS quiz a while ago and was certain it was by Henry James, and for some reason I put it in a notebook, as an instance of something or other. Otherwise I would surely guess James again. The answer is William Dean Howells.
Diva, I guess you can tell I'm a Mets follower, then. I didn't know Keith's name (though I watch them fairly often).
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
(pauses for breath)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
(wipes eyes)
Well, nobody's perfect.
But, that said, it is really impossible not to like this generation of Yanks, I concede. And I do; I root for them against any but those three teams (and maybe the Giants, should it come to that). But my loyalties lie with the NL.
And, Diva, excepting the hated BRAVES! If it's Yanks-Braves in the Series... Go, BERNIE!!
Archie was the cockroach's name.
So for some reason my brain always conflates "Archie & Mehitabel" into "Archibald MacLeish."
(high fives CM)
That leaves only "A wise woman never yields by appointment. It should always be an unforeseen happiness." I'll put the answer in white: Stendhal
There must be others like it....[muses unproductively]... but I can't think of any.
1 Men seldom make passes
2 At girls who wear glasses.
I haven't the answer CM, this is a little quiz. Who wrote the above? Anyone know?
Indeed, and I would like that very much. She is one neat kid.
This gem, too, is hers:
"This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown aside with great force."
Dorothy Parker's poems have a way of uplifting moods. I read her and find it akin to play.
2 I'm pretty sure to make my mark.
3 If I'm in bed each night by ten,
4 I may get back my looks again,
5 If I abstain from fun and such,
6 I'll probably amount to much,
7 But I shall stay the way I am,
8 Because I do not give a damn.
The above is a good example.
1) The legendary 409 was a 348 CID Chevy Engine that was bored and stroked to 409 CID. In the song it was installed in a Chevy Bel Air, although the engine was also available in the Impala. In the 60s, any Bel Air or Impala with that engine installed was referred to as a "409" by young car junkies like The Beach Boys.
Take a stab at:
who is the elder:
1. Eisenhower or Auden?
2. Goethe or Wallstonecroft?
3. Christ or Caligula?
which is the elder:
4. Dublin (Ire.) or Berlin (Ger.)?
5. St. Petersburg or Pittsburgh (Pa.)?
6. Jericho or Benares?
what is the elder:
7. oil painting or gunpowder?
8. Christianity or Manicheaism (sp?)?
9. Sputnik or the Mickey Mouse Club?
I may be gone for a while. I both have to have dinner—with its ancillary acitivities such as putting the kid to bed—and find the answers to this quiz, which is straight off the cuff, but I'll return tonight.
2. ?
3. JC
4. dublin
5. St. Pete
6. Benares
7. gunpowder
8. manichean
9. Mickey
I see the defect in these either/or questions. Once anyone's answer is assessed, the answer is evident to all. Well, that leaves, for anyone who cares, #2, Goethe or Wollstonecraft. (At least I discovered my oft-repeated spelling error, there.) 
and: 
Who Am I? puzzle: cousin
Bride & Groom puzzle: Minnisota (sic) and California
(Don't labor too much on this, but once you learn the answer, it will become useful at cocktail parties.)
It is Dutch. I don't know the translation, but yours sounds fine to me.
Answer in white:
It is the longest word in the Dutch language that can be made from letters which are also elements in the periodic table.
As much as anything it illustrates how much is available on the internet; from the truly useful, to the incredibly obscure.
That is indeed incredibly obscure.
(with ref to binnenhausarchitecten, of course)
Congratulations. That is likely the most obscure quiz answer I've ever run across. Eager as I am to spring it on somebody, I may now wander out into traffic.
btw, hi Irv.
Irv: it sounds more like a plural, to me. (At least, in German, it would.)
Dusty: I don't think "A," "E," "R," or "T" stand for any elements; I assume you meant "that can be made from a concatenation of element symbols." In that case, it does work, as "B I N Ne N H U I S Ar C H I Te C H Te N."
What do Nelson Mandela and Arnold Palmer have in common?
(There are, surely, many possible answers -- but I'm looking for one that can be stated in 3 words, and doesn't apply to most people.)
Indeed, it should be "interior decorators."
Who is Arnold Palmer?
a golfer.
Uh, yeah, of course that's what I meant.
Seriously, good point. To tell you the truth, I stumbled across the reference and didn't check it out myself. If I had I would have stated it more accurately.
Neither is Arnold, actually; his wife died about a year ago.
Generally speaking, politicians quote facts in support of some proposed policy, in opposition to an opponents proposal or for opportunistic reasons. Maybe there are other categories, but none come to mind. 
Four switches can be turned on or off. One is the lightswitch for the incandescent overhead light in the next room, but you don't know which one controls the light. The light is in working order, and the switch is currently in the off position. The other three switches do nothing. From the room with the switches in it, you can't see whether the light in the next room is turned on or off. You may flip the switches as often and as many times as you like, but once you enter the next room to check on the light, you must be able to say which switch controls the light without flipping the switches any further. (And you can't open the door without entering, either!) How can you determine which switch controls the light?
1. Turn on switch 1 & 2
2. Wait 5 minutes
3. Turn off switch 1 and turn on switch 3
4. Enter the room and touch the bulb
If the light is off and warm, switch 1 is correct
If the light is on and warm, switch 2 is correct
If the light is on and cool, switch 3 is correct
If the light is off and cool, switch 4 is correct
And one is expected to know about -- let me get this straight --golfers???!!!!
I mean, golf, ferheavenssake...! GOLF!!!
Sheesh...
1)tank, fat, truck
2)herring, wish, collar
3)Rome, Los Angeles, St. Denis
4)dolly, hook, mug
5)Thomas, John,
6)band, line, stream
7)money,
7)money, open, free
8)bull, ram, crab
9)Jennifer, Pegasus, Oxcart
10)host, gent, cast
11)foxhound, grouse, kingfish
12)age, go, date
13)law, club, leisure
14)bull, deer, dog (You won't get this, don't worry.)
15)atlantic, jordan, caucasus
16)pick, post, press
17)long, chapter, full
18)guitar, drum, band
19)1973, 1977, 1978 (This is a hard one, so if you need a hint it's in white:
20)Amsterdam, Mexico, Guinea
21)Jerusalem, London, Albion
22)domes, lilies, tongues
23)wright, mason, waters
20 new
4. shot
12. man
2)herring, wish, collar -- -bone
3)Rome, Los Angeles, St. Denis -- OPEN
4)dolly, hook, mug -- shot
5)Thomas, John, Peter -- Saints with Virgin Islands named after them.
6)band, line, stream -- head-
7)money, open, free -- market
8)bull, ram, crab --zodiac symbols
9)Jennifer, Pegasus, Oxcart -- CIA projects
10)host, gent, cast -- -ile
11)foxhound, grouse, kingfish -- OPEN
12)age, go, date -- man-
13)law, club, leisure -- OPEN
14)bull, deer, dog (You won't get this, don't worry.) -- OPEN
15)atlantic, jordan, caucasus -- trans-
16)pick, post, press -- basketball
17)long, chapter, full -- house
18)guitar, drum, band -- steel
19)1973, 1977, 1978 (Hint: If this was a series of four the first would be 1948 -- OPEN
20)Amsterdam, Mexico, Guinea -- New
21)Jerusalem, London, Albion -- From the titles of William Blake's poetry
22)domes, lilies, tongues -- OPEN
23)wright, mason, waters -- members of Pink Floyd
14 tick!
Por ejemplo: Mall ----- Fry ----- Rose.
Think of these as foundation words.
Your task is to join them all by filling in the blanks with bridging words. The only criteria for a bridging word is that it has to contain all the letters that the adjoining foundation words contain.
Mall -- GALLIMAUFRY -- Fry -- FORESTRY -- Rose.
Note that the sum total of letters in the adjoining foundation words have to be present --i.e. if it were 'Fall' and 'Fry' gallimaufry wouldn't suffice because it's only got one F in it.
Now, you're allowed to 'sink' as many new 'foundations' as you want to complete the bridge, so long as you stick to the rules --foundations must be connected by bridges which contain all the letters of the adjoining foundations. Foundations must contain at least three letters.
Proper nouns are permissible. Otherwise, if it won't fly in Scrabble, don't use it.
1)Tsar -------- Hit -------- Rage
2)Soil -------- Mat -------- Snag
3)Boot -------- Tug --------Ship
4)Vole -------- Bud -------- Time
5)Sere -------- Bet -------- Rest
Have fun.
13)law, club, leisure -- OPEN
suit?
5) sere--BEERIEST--bet--BETTERS--rest
This is for 15. The closest I can come to getting down to the theoretical minimum of 14 is the very ugly REBESET and I am not happy with that at all.
1. tsar ANTICHRIST hit LIGHTERAGE rage
which Triple Crown, baseball or horseracing?
Lighterage?
NM, just looked it up.
Good word.
Gearshift gets ya one less, though (wink).
Tsar SHIRTTAIL hit THREATENING rage
Soil MASTOIDAL mat MANAGERIALIST snag
Boot OUTBOUGHT tug UPRIGHTS (or SHTUPPING) ship
Vole BOULEVARD bud BITUMENED (or BITUMINATED) time
Sere BRETESSED bet BUTTRESSED rest (I was very silly not to see BETTERS, Snow...)
6) Door ---- Nail ---- Tone
7) Tier ----Sins ---- Gone
8) Airs ---- Moon ---- Poet
9) Rule ---- Dale ---- Sept
10)Salt ---- Sent ---- Site
I feel like I'm missing something, because the first bridge looks too easy:
Door DOORNAIL Nail OCTENNIAL Tone
11)Echo ---- Crime ---- Oust
12)Chic ---- Masts ----Ruin
13)Soul ---- Abhor ---- Arts
14)Sect ---- Queen ---- Lice
15)Mimic ---- Sibyl ---- Poem
An unnamed Motie is in desperate need of a car. To alleviate the enforced pedestrianism, she attends an Antique Car auction. Since all purchases must be paid for in cash, she slides into the local bank and slides out with 25 Large.
For reasons known only to a couple of Sherpas near Katmandu, she places the 25 grand in 15 envelopes, remarkably numbered 1 through 15. Apropos of nothin', each envelope contains the least number of bills possible of any available US currency (i.e. no two tens in place of a twenty).
At the auction, she makes a successful bid of $8322 for a late-model Duesenberg. In payment, she forks over Envelopes numero 2, 8, and 14. After opening the envelopes the auctioneer finds exactly the right amount.
How many ones did the auctioneer find in the envelopes?
The correct answer gets an honorable mention. A noteworthy blast of reasoning gets the Mercedes. White font, SVP.
I've cheated and peeked at your answer. Since I can't come up with a unique answer myself, would you post your reasoning? I'm not sure that I even know the standard American currency denominations, but I've guessed $1, $2, $5, $10, $20.......etc.
Good work. I fully expect to deliver the Mercedes to you as soon as arrangements can be made.
There is, however, the matter of the initial incorrect answer. I shall have to refer this to the judges. I'll let you know at an appropriate time just how I've decided to weasel on the grand prize.
The problem isn't satisfying. I decided the answer could be none, with 83 $100 billion in one envelope, a $20 in the second and a $2 in the third. Or is could be two, with a twenty and a one in the second envelope, and a single in the third.
I think I could come up with other values, but I concluded there was nothing unique, or even interesting about the answers.
Then I read angel's answers, and I see the assumption that the money was arranged in the envelopes so that combinations of envelopes could be used to sum to any particular integer. Where did this come from?
And what is the rationale? You say the purchase must be in cash, but you don't state that exact change is required.
I think you omitted critical parts of the problem.
I'll guess 1956 for the quartz. I have no idea, but, so far, I am closest.
1927.
Please ship car by air.
It's more than an assumption, it's a requirement. Since the women placed the money in the envelopes before attending the auction, she had to cover all of the possibilities.
As far as exact change goes, she controlled her own bidding so she could avoid bids of, say $8000.28. She's a Motie. She's very smart.
So far, an interesting range. I'll post the answer tomorrow. Anybody else?
pelle--
All grand prizes awarded by Cosmic AytchMan Amalgamated are always shipped by air. Hot air.
That just adds a complication. She could always increment to an even number then, and have no need for a one dollar envelope.
Sorry, the requirement that she be able to give exact change with some combination of envelopes was not stated.
But it was: After opening the envelopes the auctioneer finds exactly the right amount.
At least I won't have to pay shipping that way.
Oh, hell, send the boys on over. I'll have my girls waiting for them. There won't be a problem.
You obviously haven't seen my place.
Throttle back your thrusters and take a shot at the quartz crystal question. We'll make it double or nothing on the -- what was it? -- '92 Chevy Vega?
I fear I am dragging this out, but it is too late to change my stripes :)
Three envelopes, one with 83 $100 bills in the first, a $20 in the second, and a $2 in the third meets that requirement.
A5 had the right answer -- eventually.
Do you not accept the reasoning that she had to cover all possibilities since she filled the envelopes before the auction?
It may well be a good idea to state it explicitly in the future but I think it can be inferred without it.
dusty -- 1956
pelle -- 1927
angel-five -- a seemingly shrewd 1820.
First used for timekeeping in 1929. Pelle is closest. Congratulations.
As I understand the judges' ruling, Angel-Five must now ship a Mercedes and a 1992 Chevy Vega to Pelle. I don't think this is just but that's what I've been told.
A pirate ship captures a treasure of 1000 gold coins. The treasure has to be split among 5 pirates: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 in order of rank (1 is highest). The pirates have the following important characteristics:
Infinitely smart.
Bloodthirsty.
Greedy.
Starting with pirate 5, each can make a proposal on how to split up the treasure. The proposal is either accepted or the pirate is thrown to the sharks. A proposal is accepted if and only if a majority of the pirates agrees on it.
The Question: What proposal should pirate 5 make?
So you need to walk through each pirates preferences.
Pirate One gets 100% if down to him.
If down to Pirate two, he will vote 100% to pirate One, or else Pirate one will turn him into shark food.
If down to pirate three, he will offer pirate two 1 gold piece, as that will be a better outcome for pirate two than he will get if pirate two rejects the vote. Pirate three will keep the rest, stiffing pirate one.
If Pirate four, he will offer pirate one one gold piece, pirate two 2 gold pieces, stiff pirate three, and keep the rest to himself.
Pirate Five, then, will offer pirate three one gold piece, pirate one one gold piece, stiff pirates two and four, and keep the rest to himself.
This of course assumes rational actors with the intelligence to figure out everyone else's incentives. I
3 and 4 want his proposal accepted so they won't have to make one.
1 and 2 want to see low numbered people thrown over the side...more for them.
One can assume that the votes on a given proposal are simultaneous and secret.
Incidentally, the 1/3 split was my answer also. Seems like a winner but it's wrong.
Thus Pirate 5 must come up with a proposal that will please Pirates 3 and 4. He should offer 334 coins to each of them and 332 to himself. Pirates 1 & 2 will vote against him, but they will lose the vote.
accept it."
Sure he does. Pirate 2 only gets one gp if pirate three gets to propose, and no gp if he gets to propose. So Pirate 2 is up 1 gp due to pirate four's proposal.
But that is just it. Pirate 2 knows he'll do at least as well with Pirate 3, so why choose Pirate 4's option?
Same with 3.
Hmm.
See, I always do this. I talk myself out of my original answers.
Rask--okay, I misread that. Sorry.
This is why Pirate 5 stiffs pirate 4, going for other votes instead.
$2 for pirate 1
$2 for pirate 2
$996 for himself.
So 2 will have to accept 3 no matter what. Therefore, 3 will vote $1,000 to himself and nothing to anyone else.
Therefore, 4 can vote $1 to both 1 and 2 and $998 to himself. (1 and 2 get more this way than if it gets down to 3 people).
Therefore, 5 has to top that offer. So he offers $2 to 1 and 2 and keeps $996 for himself.
well with 4."
I just corrected that problem.
Because in a two-person vote it will end in a tie and over he goes.
And the bloodthirsty bit must count, too. What was the third attribute?
No, it only ends in a tie if he votes to keep the money himself. If he gives the money to 1 and also votes for it, he's fine.
Oh, wait a minute. He could vote to give the money to 1 and 1 could vote against it. If he's bloodthirsty, he could then have 2's death and the money.
What order do they vote in? Do they know each other's vote?
keeps $996 for himself."
He can buy pirate three's vote for one coin, as three will be stiffed by pirate four.
They vote simultaneously and secretly on any given proposal. The proposals are made, as required, in order from Pirate 5 to 1.
But that's probably too complicated, and it means that 5 can't win, which means there wouldn't be any question.
If you relax that assumption (and in real life tests, in similar game theory situations, players will often vote to screw the greedy player, even if they stand to lose a small amount), there really is no "right" answer.
I'm still trying to figure out why it's relevant that they are bloodthirsty and smart. I mean, go ahead and post the answer--but if Rask's is the correct answer, then were those attributes thrown in just to confuse?
Well, that's what I'm wondering about.
But don't mind me. I'm always distracted by white noise in these sorts of questions.
Smart: think of he Sicilian in Princess Bride ("you know that I know that you know that I know...").
That's quibbling, of course.
But that only works if 2 doesn't realize that 1 is going to do that.
Pelle,
I think it's more that 3 is better off voting against 5. One is only better off voting against 5 if he realizes that 2 will take a chance and vote against 3. But then, 1 doesn't have to vote against 5 if 3 does.
That's all that bloodthirsty means? But good heavens, you don't need to state that if they're throwing each other overboard in the event of a tie.
No, it works regardless.
$997 for Pirate 5. If you think about it, it's an amazingly counter-intuitive result. The lowest guy on the hit list gets all the money. Doesn't seem possible.
Excellent discussion by the way. You guys are worth every penny of the membership fee.
If I were 1, I think I'd vote against everything, because who the hell wants 1 or 2 goldpieces? Take the chance that 2 would turn down 3's offer and then play the odds.
But I'm reasonably sure that this isn't the answer.
But I gotta tell ya, 5 would be dead if I were 1 or 3. And I think 3 had the best opportunity to take it all.
Good puzzle.
For those who have never seen the Bishop Exchange, it's a very difficult puzzle located here:
Bishop Exchange
Is Strawberry on the Yanks at all anymore?
I think he is suspended. There are at least two more.
Dwight Gooden (Indy)
David Cone (Indy)
Jose Vizcaino (mgleason)
One more.
I'm having fun with that bishop quiz; thanks for linking it in.
WHO CARES????
GO RED SOX! WAIT 'TIL NEXT YEAR!
Thoughts?
Incidentally, should we move those two comments to the Tunnel of Love thread?
One of these seventy-two words is the answer to the puzzle. It has an even number of letters, and only one vowel. This is hard! But once you see what I am up to, you will be elated. One letter in the word could be used to identify the person working on this puzzle, but from the author's perspective. Another letter could also be two other letters, if it were oriented a certain way. Good luck!
And then I couldn't figure out what you mean by oriented a certain way. I mean, a "k" could be a "c" and an "l", which would make "luck" a good guess.
But once I got to "u", I saw "up", which seems to make more sense.
cg-- You're right about the 72 words. I copied it directly from the source. That'll teach me.
Who's the youngest hole-in-one golfer? And what country does he hail from?
But to give more weight to the "luck" answer, consider that ". .. Another letter could also be two other letters, if it were oriented a certain way . . ." might mean that k can phonetically be replaced by qu when following a c, as in "back" and "acquire." This only works when the q and u are correctly oriented, so it fits the description.
Good puzzle.
My first is in jewelry glittering bright;
my second in alimony but not in yap.
My third's in money (hope you're not tight!);
my fourth in nubile but (whew) not in clap.
My last in engagement (this is the trap.)
By now you've got all of me in your sight.
This is your downfall. You know i'm right.
But if you answer this, beware of the slap.
my second in escape and also awhile.
My third is in corner, where you stop and stay
and my fourth is in liver which giveth the bile.
I'm often an answer to the query above;
I don't ask for commitment, I don't ask for love;
So wait with me here and pass time in style -
'cos when you get home, you'll wish you got away.
My second's in seance (yes, come to the light!)
In Lammas, not soulless, will you find my third
in chary and Cheiro my voice can be heard.
My fifth hides in talons and lantern as well
my sixth in festival (alas, not in Hell)
and my last, is in Angel, though it's hard to tell.
My whole is a word that it's just hard to say
A practice, a vision, a night and a day.
I know the first one. Please give me the answer. It's driving me crazy.
Oh, I get it. Nevermind.
That's fun.
I've seen puzzles like that where you just can't find the right answer.
Once I was given a paragraph and told to count the number of e's. There were like 25, I thought. I counted and recounted. I counted again. Still 25.
Then they asked, "Everyone who's found more than 28 e's, raise your hand." And I'm thinking, why are these fucking retards raising their hands? There are only 25 e's. I counted three times.
Then the womans says, "Okay, anyone who found 29 e's, keep your hands raised. 30 e's. 31 e's. 32."
It turns out there were 32 e's. I could not fricking believe it.
I always get those sorts of questions, but it will sometimes take me a while. I always skip them and let my brain roll them around for a bit.
Well, taken literally, the number 9 occurs once.
The digit nine appears 19 times.
Or 20. Who's counting?
Anyway, it's a good test question.
That doesn't really seem like an SAT question. It seems more like a mensa-qualifier test question.
Here's another:
A horse breeder with three sons and seventeen very valuable horses dies, and his will specifies that the eldest receive one-half of the horses, the next son, one-third, and the youngest, one-ninth (no partial horses). If they can't figure out how to do it in thirty days, all the horses go to a distant cousin. I offered my services for a modest fee, but they thought they didn't need me. They break their heads trying to figure out how to do it, can't, and on the twenty-ninth day they hire me to do it, this time for a princely sum. How'd I do it?
I know. Like Paris in the the Spring.
I knew that trick, and I concentrated on the's and other blah-words. There were other hidden e's. Not hidden... just ignored. Hiding in plain sight.
Well, SAT and IQ test results correlate pretty closely, don't they? In any event, it is included in the SAT official booklet.
Can I sell a valuable horse and buy two less valuable horses?
Can I kill a number of horses?
It just seems an oddball SAT question. Perhaps it is an illustrative question, meant to teach the lesson that one should make no easy assumptions.
Mgleason,
Well, one half and one third and one ninth do not even sum to equal a whole, so I guess there's a trick.
Though we already knew that.
Azrael,
That is no different than selling one horse and buying a number of others.
Am "I" a horse myself?
mgleason:
But I don't see how that solves the problem. Either I am able to manipulate the number of horses or am not.
All you're saying is that we should manipulate the number of horses through your suggested means, while you suggest that it is against the rules to manipulate the number through other methods.
I mean, even if (white font) "add" my mare to the number of horses... well, one half and one third and one ninth still don't sum to a whole, and I don't get why I'm able to "count" the narrator's horse whereas I can't just buy a fricking extra horse.
Am I missing something?
Yeah, but selling one horse to buy two others accomplishes the same thing.
I guess 1/2 plus 1/3 plus 1/9 does sum to a whole. My bad on that.
Something like, "Divide up all the horses in the YARD..." Which allows someone to bring an extra horse into the yard.
Or something.
I dunno.
How so?
It's too late for this puzzle.
I dunno. It's not a tight puzzle. Why should we be allowed to add your horse in for purposes of dividing up the King's horses? Your horse is not one of his horses.
We could just as easily grab a cow from the barn, paint "Horse" on it, and count that as one of the king's horses, too.
I mean, no matter which way you slice it, your proposed solution only "solves" the problem by changing the terms of the problem, which could be done any thousand different ways.
If I am free to suspend a rule to solve a problem, it's not really much of a problem.
But... but... but...
I realized right away that we needed another damn horse. I wanted to buy one. You told me "No."
Waaaaaah.
Goodnight.
It was only a very small fudge.
You are right. It isn't a "tight" puzzle.
It's a decent puzzle, because one assumes (incorrectly) that the fractions add up to one, and one concentrates on the difficulty of partial horses. The "lending" of a horse solves the division problem, and leaves the additional horse to return to the owner.
However, I see nothing wrong with your plan to buy another horse, except that, if you realize there will be one left over, you should simply borrow it, not buy it.
But as a lawyer, I suspect you could find other problems with the puzzle. The terms specify that one son gets 1/2 the horses. He does not. Now he gets more than half, so he isn't unhappy, but my first question to you is whether the law has anything to say about this. If a will specifies that a certain person will get X, and they get more than X, is there a legal problem?
The second question is related.
The will isn't complete. It specifies how to dispose of some, but not all, of the property. That is, the will disposes of 17/18 of the horses, but is silent as to the disposition of the last 1/18 of a horse. What does the law say about this last piece? I'll be surprised if the law specifies that undistributed property should be distributed in the same proportion as the remainder of the property (although that is what they did). Does it revert to the state? If so, the "clever" answer is cheating the state. Does it get assigned to some other party, or to the sons equally? In either instance, the "clever" answer cheats someone.
In our society that will might be null and void. Perhaps the solution would be a horse time share . . . or visitation rights.
It's just a kludge to disguise the fact that there's nothing to solving the puzzle because the fractions add up to less than a whole.
There is no basis for a claim. Each son gets more than the will specified.
Kwitcherwinin before I post something worse. And I mean it.
The solution does not work, because it "counts" the narrator's horse as a King's Horse during the division-of-property phase, but does not count this horse in either the initial set-up nor the end-result.
It's, I'm sorry to say, nonsense. It is not merely a "kludge."
It counts an extra horse which is not one of the horses to be divided up.
We could just as easily "pretend" there are 18 horses in all, and divide them up on that basis. I mean, that's all we're doing by adding the narrator's horse anyway-- we're pretending that's one of the horses to be divided, so that we can get a product of 2, 3, and 9 for easy division.
If we can pretend that narrator's horse is one of the king's horses, why can't we pretend a non-existant, phantasmal horse is one of his horses?
The problem is that 17 cannot be divided by 2, 3, or 9, and a lesser problem is that 1/2, 1/3, and 1/9 do not sum to a whole, so the problem simply cannot be solved in any real way.
Sure, we can "pretend" there are really 18 horses and divide those 18 up.
In other words, we can "pretend" the puzzle's conditions are other than they really are.
If we want to pretend, we don't need the narrator's horse. We can just pretend and divide up the 17 horses as if there were 18.
"Three salesmen check into a hotel room. The manager charges them $30 for the room. Each man pays $10 cash, and they go up to their room. After the leave, the manager realizes he has made a mistake and they should have been charged only $25. He gives the bellboy 5 one dollar bills to take up the salesmen's room. The bellboy decideds to tip himself in advance, pockets 2 of the five dollars, and gives the other three to the salesmen in the room.
Now, with each salesman getting one dollar back from their $10, they each paid $9 for the room, which adds up to $27. The bellboy kept $2. But the initial amount paid was $30. Where did the other dollar go?
Hey! I was gonna post that question last night, but I didn't have the energy to write it all out!
They should have received $1.66 each in change. Each of them gave .66 in tip apiece to the bellboy. I think the 27 is just a distraction.
rask didn't ask it quite right.
Here's how I would have asked it:
"Now, with each salesman getting one dollar back from their $10, they each paid $9 for the room, which adds up to $27. The bellboy kept $2, which adds up to $29. But the initial amount paid was $30. Where did the other dollar go?"
JJ, you're right, but a complete answer requires a fuller explanation.
JJ,
I dunno. The thing is, when I tell the puzzle, a lot of people just do their own math and come up with no dollar missing. Which is fine, but it doesn't explain why the math presented in the problem is wrong.
I mean, we know there's no dollar missing. We know that. The trick is to explain why the puzzle is wrong to postulate there is a dollar missing.
You're right about debits and credits; but why, specifically, is no dollar missing?
I mean, they paid $27, but the bellboy kept $2, which adds up to $29, but the salesman originally paid $30. $30 minus $29 is one, meaning one dollar is missing. Where did the dollar go?
There's no "one real answer," I guess.
SPOILERS ABOVE
DO NOT READ EXCHANGE BETWEEN ACE AND JJ RE: RASK'S PUZZLE
White font:
Yeah, I guess that's it. See what I mean, though? A lot of people know there's something hinky with the math; but that's obvious. The real answer requires knowing specifically where the hinky operation occurs.
It works better as a spoken puzzle, where you can keep repeating, ad nauseum, "Yes, but $25 plus $2 equals $29 which is a dollar short of $30..." So you keep repeating the bad the mathematics, confusing the listener, until the finally scream, "But you can't ADD the $2 to the $27 to reach $30! You SUBTRACT $2 from the $27 to reach $25, which is the correct 'target number'!"
It's not so much a puzzle as an exercise in frustration for the listener.
The "answer" isn't the key; the key is to just keep pissing off the listener by insisting "But $27 plus $2 equals $29, where did the dollar go? ... Where did the dollar go? ... Where did it go? ... But you're not telling me where the dollar went. But that's irrelevant-- $27 plus $2 equals $29. Where did the dollar go? ... Where did it go, bitch?!"
Cal pretty much has the basics, but doesn't explain why the numbers add up differently.
Rask:
Please give a clear answer, in white font.
I believe I know the answer, but perhaps I'm fuzzy on it. Perhaps you can give me a clearer way to say it.
Dusty, I think this was intended as a mathematical puzzel, not a law puzzel.
I know. I've seen it hundreds of times. But given that a lawyer was discussing it, I thought it would be interesting to look at it from a legal point of view.
Curiously though, Ace didn't respond to any of my legal questions.
I didn't respond because I don't really know.
It is not necessary for a will to dispose of all of a testator's property. Any property which is not disposed of in a will passes through the rules concerning dying intestate, without a will. Undisposed property would most likely simply be divided equally among the three heirs, share and share alike. Unless there's a wife around.
I don't know what to make of the main problem: The main problem is that the only way to divide up the horses evenly is to violate the terms of the will. You can't divide 17 living horses into 1/2, 1/3, and 1/9 chunks without dealing in partial horses. It's impossible.
I forget the main rule in this situation. I forget if there are rules of interpreting/constructing a will to save it from a defect which will invalidate the will, or if the will simply fails and results in the decedent's property passing intestate. I think more the latter than the former, but I just don't know. And I just don't know how a real court -- not an imaginary court -- would deal with the question.
A real court *could* make the common sense ruling that the dollar VALUE of all the horses should be divided up per the decedent's wishes, with the 1/9 unaccounted for passing intestate. But on the other hand, if the will specifies that the horses themselves, and not their dollar value, will be divvied up, then I must think the will actually fails, for it is impossible to carry out the will of the decendent. Once again, 17 cannot be divided by 2, 3, or 9.
The decedent has created an impossible will which the state cannot execute. I think -- think -- this will will fail, and property will pass intestate, each brother getting one-third of the dude's property.
Eh, to clarify: I'm sure there are such rules. I seem to remember such rules.
But there's a limit to how much fudging a probate court will do. There are lots of cases of a testator fucking up, making his will impossible to execute, which results in the will failing and the property passing through the rules of intestate descent. Often, of course, the rules of intestate descent are 100% opposite of the testator's desire-- but if his will fails, that's what happens.
For example, if you have a wife, and your will doesn't give her the minimum share that state law dictates, your will might fail. Some states might provide that the widow may elect to take the widow's statutory share, usually 1/3, and that all remaining property passes according to the will (minus the 1/3 which goes to the widow); but other states' probate courts might just rule the will fails entirely.
I seem to remember that the plot of Body Heat relies upon this. And it's a real law -- in some jurisdictions, at least.
Thanks for your discussion.
It isn't my intention to disparage the question posed by mgleason; it actually is on my short list of decent puzzles.
But your commentary emphasized that there is a flaw in it, and I thought it would be interesting to look at it through different eyes.
1) I thought I knew what love was, what did I know
Those days are gone forever, I should just let them go
2)I could be a rambler from the Seven Dials
I don't pay taxes 'cause I never file
I don't do business that don't make me smile --
3)Living without you, living alone
This empty house seems so cold
Wanting to hold you, wanting you near
How much I wanted you home
4)When I first met you, didn't realize,
I can't forget you or your surprise
You introduced me to my mind
5)A crowd has gathered in black and white
Arms entwined, the chosen few
The newspapers says, says
Say it's true it's true...
And we can break through
6)For her lust
She'll burn in hell
Her soul done medium well
All through mass manual stimulation
Salvation
7)i am governor jerry brown
my aura smiles and never frowns
soon i will be president...
carter power will soon go away
i will be führer one day
i will command all of you
your kids will meditate in school
8)At the still point of destruction
At the center of the fury
All the angels all the devils
All around us can't you see
9)Coming out the woodwork, thru the open door
pushing from above and below
shadows but no substance, in the shape of men
round and down and sideways they go
10)In the twilight's last gleaming
This is open season
But you won't get too far
We know you've got to blame someone
For your own confusion
But we're on guard this time
Against your final solution
Held out her lovin' in our hands
Now I reach to kiss your lips
The touch don't mean a thing
12) Somewhere in the distance I hear the bells ring
Darkness settles on the town as the children start to sing
The lady 'cross the street she shuts out the night
There's a cast of thousands waiting as she turns out the light
13)Listen mama, Put on your mornin' gown'
Put in your nightshirt Mama we gonna shake 'em down
Must I holler? Must I shake 'em on down?
14)And even now part of me flies
over Dresden at angels one five
Though they'll never fathom it
behind my sarcasm
desperate memories lie
15)Chloe danced the tables
in the french quarter
she's always been given
so I can't always make her laugh
but I'm proud to say
and I won't forget
time spent laying by her side
16)The writer stare with glassy eyes ‹
Defies the empty page
His beard is white, his face is lined
And streaked with tears of rage.
Thirty years ago, how the words would flow
With passion and precision,
But now his mind is dark and dulled
By sickness and indecision
17)I am the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
18) I really do appreciate the fact you're sittin' here
Your voice sounds so wonderful
But yer face don't look too clear
19)We are gathered here today to get through this thing called life
Electric word life, it means forever and that's a mighty long time
20)If you look at your reflection in the bottom of a well,
What you see is only on the surface.
When you try to see the meaning, hidden underneath,
The measure of the depth can be deceiving.
That makes it worse, because now I feel like I really should know at least several of them. I'm going to have to go downstairs and grab a beer so I can chew on some of them a little. Usually, though, if I don't get them right off I don't recognize them until someone else guesses them.
a)you've had enough of two hand touch
you want it rough you're out of bounds
I want you smothered want you covered
like my waffle house hash bounds
comin' quicker than fed ex never reach an apex
just like cocacola stock you are inclined
to make me rise an hour early
just like daylight savings time
b)So here I am up on Bainbridge Avenue
Still in one piece but glad I'm alive
Drinkin' dirty big glasses of porter
Playin' me jigs and me reels and me slides
Think of you, Bridie, whenever I'm sober --
Which isn't too often, I have to confess --
c)Check it, since 1516 minds attacked and overseen
Now crawl amidst the ruins of this empty dream
With their borders and boots on top of us
Pulling knobs on the floor of their toxic metropolis
But how you gonna get what you need to get?
The gut eaters, blood drenched get offensive like Tet
The fifth sun sets get back reclaim
The spirit of Cuatemoc alive and untamed
d)now that the smoke's gone
and the air is all clear
those who were right there
got a new kind of fear
you'd fight and you were right
but they were just to strong
they'd stick it in your face
and let you smell what they consider wrong.
e)Heaven holds a sense of wonder
And I wanted to believe
That I'd get caught up
When the rage in me subsides
In this white wave
I am sinking
In this silence
In this white wave
In this silence
I believe
f)And the darkness still has work to do
The knotted chord's untying
The heated and the holy
Oh they're sitting there on high
So secure with everything they're buying
2. Treetop Flyer – Stephen Stills
4. Sweet Leaf – Black Sabbath
5. New Year’s Day – U2
8. Love is the Seventh Wave - Sting
9. Home by the Sea - Genesis
11. Cold Shot – Stevie Ray Vaughn
13. Hats Off to Harper – Led Zeppelin
14. The Hero’s Return – Pink Floyd
17. I’m the Slime – Frank Zappa
19. Let’s Go Crazy - Prince
c. People of the Sun - Rage Against the Machine
d. Hey Man Nice Shot – Filter
e. Silence – Sarah Mclachlan
f. Blood of Eden – Peter Gabriel
We had a party yesterday, and now I'm cleaning up and listening to some of the same tunes:
It's my own remorse
Help me to decide
Help make the most
Of freedom and of pleasure
Nothing ever lasts forever
Down comes the night
Run in the shadows
Damn your love
Damn your lies
Break the silence
Damn the dark
Damn the light
Tomorrow looks unsure
Don't leave your destiny to chance
What are you waiting for?
So tired of all the darkness in our lives
With no more angry words to say
Can come alive
Get into a car and drive
To the other side
Everyone goes south
Every now and then
You've done it why can't
Someone else?
You should know by now
You've been there yourself
I've been strung out here all night
I've been waiting for the taste
You said you'd bring to me
Biscayne Bay
Where the Cuban gentlemen sleep all day
I went searching for the song
You used to sing to me
Silkworm, Chain.
Joe "I can't believe you made me remember this crappy song" Jackson, Stepping Out
Not a fan of Joe's? Now it'll get stuck in your head unless you listen to Slade at full volume.
The Velvet Underground's playing now; Heroin.
Puzzle
There are three colored jars, each containing two marbles. One jar contains two black marbles, another contains one black marble and one white marble, and the last jar contains two white marbles. The jars are labeled BB, BW and WW, but all of them are mislabeled. What is the smallest number of marbles you must remove in order to determine the correct content of the jars?
All are mislabeled. Draw from WB. Whichever color you draw is its solid color. You will have WW and BB left. Say you've drawn black and know that WB is BB'. You know that WW cannot be WW' and it cannot be BB' so it must be WB'. That means BB must be WW'.
Bingo!
mgleason
Too high
Angel-Five
Good point. Should have been clearer that you cannot see them without removing them.
Personally, I just sort of assumed they *may* be mislabed.
all of them are mislabeled
is ambiguous?
No, it's not ambiguous. Not literally ambiguous.
It's "ambiguous" in the sense that sometimes people like me read things more loosely than their literal interpretation.
I said it was a good puzzle, didn't I?
That wasn't supposed to come across as a strident "how could you be so stupid", but as a "it seems clear to me; do you really think it should be worded differently, or did you just read it too quickly"
3. Breakout - Swing Out Sister; 6. Dr. Wu - Steely Dan
7) Dead Kennedys, California Uber Alles
10) Red Rider, Lunatic Fringe
12) Def Leppard, Too Late for Love
15) Mother Love Bone, Chloe Dancer
16) Rush, Losing It
18) Jimmy Buffett, Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw
a) The Bloodhound Gang, The Bad Touch (probably better known to most people as 'that song about the Discovery Channel')
b) Black '47, Funky Ceili (Bridie's Song)
Can you identify the missing letter in the sequence?
And provide an explanation. (I think it is possible to identify the missing letter without having the right reason.)
T T T F F S S E _ O O O O O O O ...
Bingo!
Which letter is most like a landing?
(Warning: this one doesn't measure up to the last two I asked)
Identify the following English proverbs.
1. Grandiores veniunt duriores cadunt.
2. Sanguis aqua densior est.
3. Pueri erunt pueri.
4. Optima in vita libera sunt.
5. Pluvia Aprilia flores Maios generant.
6. Hic hodie cras itum.
7. Quaeque nubes argenteum saepimentum habet.
8. Malum cottidianum medicum propulsat.
9. Semper negotium numquam otium facit Iacobum puerum obtusum.
10. Absentia cor amantior fit.
11. Facta clariore voce quam verba loquuntur.
12. Facile ventum facile itum.
13. Omnes viae Romam ferunt.
14. Omnia quae nitent aurea non sunt.
15. Fac aliis sicut tibi alios facere velis. (Lex Aurea)
16. Ullus portus in tempestate.
17. Suus latratus peior morsu est.
18. Pulchritudo est modo tam alta quam cutis.
19. Mature obdormire oriri mature facit hominem sanum et ditem et sapientem.
20. Melius tarde quam numquam.
21. Avis matura vermem capit.
22. Avis in manu duarum in frutice aestimatur.
23. Aves pennae convolant.
24. Ne iudices librum tecto.
25. Negotium ante voluptatem.
26. Quandocumque feles aberit mures ludent.
27. Noli lacrimare de lacte effuso.
28. Noli numerare pullos antequam nascuntur.
29. Hoc in mundo nil certumst praeter mortem vectigaliaque.
30. Quisque canis suum diem habet.
1) The bigger they are, the harder they fall
2) Blood is thicker than water
3) Boys will be boys
4)
5) April showers bring May flowers
6)
7) Every cloud has a silver lining
8)
9)
10) absence makes the heart grow fonder
11)
12)
13) All roads lead to Rome
Excellent, Wombat!
Correct on 4.; close on 18. Nice!
16) Any port in a storm. (Isn't portus a door or gate?)
22) A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
28) Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.
30) Every dog has his day.
Gotta try again on 25., Dusty.
Correct on 12., Pelle.
6. Hic hodie cras itum.
8. Malum cottidianum medicum propulsat.
9. Semper negotium numquam otium facit Iacobum puerum obtusum.
11. Facta clariore voce quam verba loquuntur.
14. Omnia quae nitent aurea non sunt.
17. Suus latratus peior morsu est.
19. Mature obdormire oriri mature facit hominem sanum et ditem et sapientem.
20. Melius tarde quam numquam.
21. Avis matura vermem capit.
23. Aves pennae convolant.
24. Ne iudices librum tecto.
25. Negotium ante voluptatem.
26. Quandocumque feles aberit mures ludent.
29. Hoc in mundo nil certumst praeter mortem vectigaliaque.
8. An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
9. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
10. Absence makes the heart grow fond.
11. The facts speak for themselves.
13. All roads lead to Rome.
14. All that glitters is not gold.
16. Any port in a storm.
17. His bark is worse than his bite.
19. Early to bed and early to rise makes a man happy and healthy and wise.
20. Better late than never.
21. The early bird gets the worm.
23. Birds of a feather flock together.
24. Don't judge a book by its cover.
25. Biz before pleasure.
26. When the cat's away the mice will play.
27. Don't cry over spilt milk.
29. Nothing's sure but death and taxes.
I believe that wraps it up, everyone. I hope you had as much fun as I did when I found this little quiz (with no answers!).
A king decides to let a commoner marry one of his hundred daughters. The lucky fellow will see each of the daughters, one at a time. When each daughter is presented, the commoner will be told the amount of the daughter's dowry. The commoner has to decide to accept or reject each daughter; he cannot pick a previously rejected daughter. But, if after choosing, the dowry of the selected daughter is not the largest, the commoner does not get the daughter or the dowry.
What is the best strategy for selecting, assuming he knows nothing about the amounts of the dowries, except that all are different amounts?
If the commoner can get more information (perhaps from the daughters) he has a shot. But the puzzle seemed to imply that no more information is possible.
No matter how he struggles with the dowry, he only has a 1% chance of being right. His best strategy is to ignore the dowry, and reject daughters based strictly on his interviews with them. As soon as he finds a daughter with whom he can have a happy marriage he should select her, and hope she is the right one.
This couldn't be the right answer but maybe it'll point somebody else in the right direction:
Review the first fifty daughters and reject them all but note the highest dowry. Then, in the second fifty, accept the first dowry that exceeds the previously noted high. This will give him a non-trivial chance (under fifty-fifty but well over 1%) of finding the highest dowry.
It isn't the right answer.
It is in the right direction.
And you are right, the optimal strategy has well over a 1% chance of succeeding.
Damn close.
Both you and the aytchman have the right algorithm, and you've bracketed the answer.
Is it related to that goofy e function of which mathematicians are so fond? Something like 1-e that rejects the first 37% of the daughters and then picks the next higher dowry?
Certainty is not possible; maixmization is the goal.
Your percentage is correct. (37%).
Meaning, reject the first 37, then pick the first one higher than the highest observed so far.
Interestingly, the probability of being successful is also 37%.
1/e is .3679 or 37%.
I hadn't noticed that, but I'll be surprised if it is a coincidence.
When i saw the answer, it didn't mention e, but the 37% must have hit me subliminally.
Rask, I don't have the precise math; I'll copy the answer as I found it, then perhaps we can verify the linkage to e.
How many words in the English language end in 'dous'? Name it or them.
stupendous
hazardous
I think there's one more, but can't remember it.
Good work. There's one more.
Dous, not ous
Are you sure you are asking about the English language rather than the American variant of it?
Sorry. Even sorrendous.
A worker for the MIA (Motational Intelligence Agency, not Missing In Action) is translating information into a codebook, so that competitors who might steal the information will not be able to make use of it. The worker is currently translating a word that you can find somewhere in this problem into this code. What number completes this word: 8 22 10 6 22 13 24 ?
1.) A menstrual cycle has three wheels. [True] or [False]
2.) Asphalt describes rectal problems. [True] or [False]
3.) Spread Eagle is an extinct bird. [True] or [False]
4.) Vagina is a medical term used to describe a Heart Attack. [True] or [False]
5.) The clitoris is a type of flower. [True] or [False]
6.) A G-string is part of a fiddle. [True] or [False]
7.) Semen is a term for sailors. [True] or [False]
8.) Anus is a Latin term for yearly. [True] or [False]
9.) Testicles are found on an Octopus. [True] or [False]
10.) A pubic hair is a wild rabbit. [True] or [False]
11.) KOTEX is a radio station in Cincinnati. [True] or [False]
12.) Masturbate is used to catch large fish. [True] or [False]
13.) Coitus is a musical instrument. [True] or [False]
14.) Fetus is a character on Gunsmoke. [True] or [False]
15.) An umbilical cord is part of a parachute. [True] or [False]
16.) A condom is a large apartment complex. [True] or [False]
17.) An orgasm is a person who accompanies a church choir. [True] or [False]
18.) A diaphragm is a drawing in geometry. [True] or [False]
19.) A dildo is a variety of sweet pickle. [True] or [False]
20.) An erection is when Japanese people vote. [True] or [False]
21.) A lesbian is a person from the Middle East. [True] or [False]
22.) Sodomy is a special land of fast growing grass. [True] or [False]
23.) Pornography is the business of making records. [True] or [False]
24.) Genitals are people of non-Jewish origin. [True] or [False]
25.) Douche is the French word for "twelve." [True] or [False]
Here's an ancient puzzle I haven't seen for a while. What happened to the missing man? The answer is linked from the puzzle page.
Leprechauns
A descendant of my first half was a hero in Greek Mythology.
I am very small.
My second and last are both vowels.
Who or what am I?
AytchMan
Nice one, looks like a variation on the Sam Loyd classic. Actually, this one looks better.
Where did the leprechaun go?:Nowhere.
69?
24 has 1-8, btw.
4761
328509
rearranged
0123456789
I'm off to bed anyway--I assume I must have misunderstood the question.
Read the question very closely.
Who sang:
Images of sorrow
pictures of delight
things that go to make up a life-
endless days of summer
lonely nights of gloom
just waiting for the morning light-
Quiz:
I should have written "On today's date 300 years ago...."
Why?
Different calendar?
btw, just as with the Italians, the Swedes are too civilized to be a major military power.
Clever Media
If you've got a half-hour to kill, it'll make you crazy. You'll also need a fairly powerful mochine (at least 350Mhz) for the graphics.
Yes, but what calendars?
I'm only getting up to about 2000. Sometimes I get past the first level, sometimes not. But I've just discovered that it's (apparently) time-based as well. So, sitting there thinking grand strategy may not be such a good idea.
Things that make you go Hmmm.
Yes. sweden was the lasy country in Europe to adopt the Gregorian calendar. It was long seen as a Popish plot. And why not? Eleven days just disappeared.
I thought Russia was the last, around the time of the First World War. I remember seeing dates expressed under both calendars. Was Sweden after that?
You are right about Russia. Sometimes we equate "Europe" with "Western Europe". But the church there, as all Greek-Orthodox churches, still operate according to the Julian calendar.
hatpin
ha
hat
pin
a
at
pi
i
in
ha
had
hade
dean
a
ad
ade
an
I'm unsure how to call this one. My dictionary only lists 'ade' as a suffix, not as a full word. However, it seems good to me personally. Maybe we can get a judgment from one of the heavyweight scholars lurking about.
At any rate, there is still another answer.
heroon
he
her
hero
roo (Australian colloquialism)
roon
o
on
e (as in e, the irrational number 2.71828)
er
That's nine!
We often use white font to avoid giving away guesses and answers to late arrivals who may want to play.
I think we can take this out of white font at this point.
Heroon works although we're getting a little esoteric for my taste. I should have stated common English words. My bad. There's still one left.
he
her
here
in
ere
er
e
i
rein
Nine!
You're dangerous and bear watching.
I'll, er, bite on your question: True.
And welcome. I don't think we've met.
(I feel like Byron, sans club-foot: 'Mad, bad, and dangerous to know.')
What are the two words in the English Language that contain all six vowels (including "Y") in alphabetical order?
"(I feel like Byron, sans club-foot: 'Mad, bad, and dangerous to know.')"
Better than "Nasty, brutish and short". :)
Good work, and fast.
btw, what does "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" mean?
We have our winners!!
Victory polka?
Find the following 20 names of automobile marques in the grid of letters shown. Each name reads in a straight line horizontally, vertically, or diagonally. The central 16 letters in the grid have been removed and are for you to determine.
Identify the 16 missing letters in order, reading from left to right, starting with the top line, then the second, then the third, and finally the fourth.
(more)
AUSTIN
CADILLAC
FIAT
FORD
HUDSON
HYUNDAI
ISUZU
LADA
MASERATI
MAZDA
OPEL
PONTIAC
RENAULT
REO
SAAB
SUBARU
TALBOT
TRIUMPH
YUGO
(more)
I G T N S A A B O F L E P O U Z U S I R H E O S B T I A H C Y E T C F A U I S O E D N H P T A I D L E T D L A T N N E R S U A L I E O G U Y A O L A R P A D Z A M S N C
Please post answers in white font.
E A L T H R L A M U I R A T D A
Sorry, that's not correct. You're going to shoot yourself. Or somebody.
sigh.
Josef Felder died earlier this year. Who was he? No fair looking it up.
19 to go.
No.
18 to go.
Is he a political figure?
17.
Yes, he was.
16.
Yes.
15.
Had he served in a political capacity within the last ten years?
Is he most active in Balkan politics?
No.
14 to go.
No.
13.
No to Balkan politics.
12.
Is he someone of historic interest, rather than current?
Nobel is a major international award...*g*
Yes.
11.
No, not noted for doing something first. It won't help you much but he is noted as the last.
10.
Count TheDeev's and mine as one yes.
Yes, he was German.
9.
Yes, Germany.
8
Fair enough. Still 9.
No. No special title or psuedonym or whatever.
8.
No to Nuremberg. Muchas wrongas.
7.
was he a famous nazi hunter?
No.
6.
No.
5.
Scratch that last question...if not too late.
Question scratched. Restocking fee charged.
4.98 to go.
Question scratched. Restocking fee charged.
4.98 to go.
Question scratched. Restocking fee charged.
4.98 to go.
I can interpret your question several ways. Please restate.
In opposition to the Nazis pre-war?
Yes.
4 to go. Restocking fee waived on international questions.
Communist?
No, I don't think so. But it's not relevant to his claim to fame.
3.
Well, I'm at wit's end. I guess he must have spoken out against Hitler in some kind of official capacity in order to be remembered now. High civil servant or army officer? Or perhaps he was a well-known intellectual, now forgotten. But I doubt that. I'm pretty well read on German intellectuals between the wars.
Last surviving member of the German Reichstag to vote against the Nazi take-over?
An inspired guess for once. It's 11 pm here. Thanks for the quiz and good night.
Two Moties have adopted Scottish clan names.
The one is Francis Urquhart.
Who is the other?
* Elliot / Elliot803 (I forget whether they're the same person or not)
* JudithAtHome (heh heh)
Possibly, but not the one I thought of.
Marjoribanks
Irving Snodgrass?
No, but it's nice to see you again Dusty. Travelling again or extended holiday break?
Logging off. Keep guessing.
Why it's got to be Alistair Connor
No. 
Read about Clan Marjoribanks
That link is amusing, and I found especially amusing this:
"In addition to the sources named in the text I should like to thank especially John Marjoribanks of Harare, who has supplied me with the vast majority of the unattributed facts and references of which I have made use and has helped enormously to clarify my ideas..."
I have a strong mental image of old John, in his study in Harare, dividing his attention between the deterioration in local politics (!) and his ancestors.
Identify the following escutscheons:
1) Pally argent and gules, a chief azure seme of mullets of the first.
2) Quarterly: first and fourth, gules three lions rampant or; second, or a lion rampant gules tongued and armed azure within a double tressure flory counterflory gules; third, vert a harp or.
3) St. George charged with St. Andrew charged with St. Patrick.
4) Azure, three fleurs-de-lys or
5) Or seme of hearts gules, three lions rampant azure tongued and armed of the second.
("What the fuck are you talking about" is of course a perfectly legitimate response. Wrong, but legitimate.) 
Nice pic, mgleason. Fits my image perfectly.
1. USA
3. UK
#5's a right oddity, but there are several Moties who might recognize it.
I'll be gone for a few hours now. See y'all later.
JJ, no. Nice guess, though. Russia would be something like "Or a double-headed eagle armed or bearing in dexter proper a sceptre in sinister proper an orb, tounged gules, charged with an escutcheon gules a mounted figure [St. Andrew, I believe] argent [with (to revert to English, my command of heraldic language being quite limited) a blue cape, trampling a diminutive dragon] or winged azure".
No. 5 is "Old Denmark"; that is to say, the House of Estrid, the first of whom, Sweyn II, was the nephew of Canute, King of (inter alia) Britain. "Old Denmark" figures as the first and fourth quarters of the arms of the present Queen of Denmark, Margaret, which were too complex for my command of heraldic language. (At least, I think she's the present monarch; she acceded in 1972 and was born in 1940.)
There now. Aren't you happy to know all that? 
The arms of the old Duchy of Luneburg, on the other hand, show a rampant lion: 
I take it you are a heraldry buff as well. (Actually, I am more properly a former heraldry buff, but I can imagine getting back into it. For me it was more the words than the images, but what's not to like about a good-looking shield, too.)
(I dunno what's up with the Luneburg link; sometimes it works.)
I used to make poems of the stuff, in my mercifully brief "concrete" period. The only one I've retained is here (a poem I was pleased to regard as a 3-liner):
Making sail westward
An ensign: barry, Gules and Argent; a canton Azure, seme of stars Argent.
Flying jib, jib, fore topmast staysail. Fore skysail, fore royal, fore topgallant, upper foretopsail, lower foretopsail, foresail.
Fore-royal studding-sail, fore-topgallant studding-sail, fore-topmast studding-sail. Main-royal staysail, main-topgallant staysail,
maintopmast staysail, main staysail. Main skysail, main royal, main topgallent, upper main topsail, lower main topsail, mainsail.
Main-royal studding-sail, main-topgallant studding-sail, main-topmast studding-sail. Mizzen-royal staysail, mizzen-topgallant staysail,
mizzen-topmast staysail, mizzen staysail. Mizzen skysail, mizzen royal, mizzen topgallant, upper mizzen topsail, lower mizzen topsail,
crossjack, spanker.
The banner: gules bezanty Or; a chief Or, seme of blood.
If you do become Luneburg-mad in the night, go to Héraldique européenne and click on 'Allemagne' on the interactive map. Then click on 'Royaumes et Principautés Germaniques,' and scroll down and click on 'Lunebourg.'
I've found Héraldique européenne to be a very helpful site.
But what do you mean by helpful? Do you have a professional reason to find the Luneburg arms?
By the way, I'm quite amazed and appreciative of the fact that you went and found the same imagery as "Old Denmark" differently arranged. Did you recognize Luneburg's motif when you saw it? If so, you are clearly far more armigerous-minded than I ever was!
Of course, that why he has angels dedicated to heraldry. You know the song, "Hark, the herald angels sing."
I recognized the Luneburg motif because it's part of the House of Hanover's armorial bearings.
You must've missed #7370...
Indeed. I apologise.
Official announcement: Stumbo is the winner in the one-question Scottish clan name quiz.
This may be too late (if you've already made the replacement), but there are washing machine hoses with a wire reinforcement. Reduces the chances of a failure.
Apology accepted. I'm (officially) tickled tartan.
"Jones and I were hired at the same time and both of us have
handled about the same number of assignments. They've all been worth about the same, and each required a "yes-or-no" decision. Now I have been keeping track of our recommendations, and I've been doing pretty well. I have been right about 70% of the time. Jones however knows nothing about investments, he hasn't made the right recommendations more than 10% of the time. Yet you gave him a promotion and raise, while turning me down. How come?"
Does the boss have any valid reason for his action?
That is supposed to be harder than it sounds, but I wonder? I'd accept it quickly is it was true/false, but with multiple choice, there often is an answer that is clearly wrong.
The odds of getting every answer wrong in a multiple choice test (assume 20 questions, five choices per question):
Raskolnikov
I've participated in pools where the worst score got their money back.
I'm vaguely recalling that there is some strategy involving two entries, where one is the exact opposite of the other. I don't recall whether it works in a standard pool, or whether it has to be a pool with the money back option.
Fixed?
entries, where one is the exact opposite of the other. I don't
recall whether it works in a standard pool, or whether it has to be a pool with the money back option."
Doesn't look like much of a strategy to me. Both picks could easily end up very close to .500
There is another solution (probably unintentional): even though each investment was worth about the same, if the 10% guy's winners made a fortune while his losses were minimal, he could still be doing better than the 70% guy.
A slight rewording would eliminate this.
But a straight investment has theoretically infinite potential.
I didn't post this answer, though, because I assumed the correct answer was more elegant. Which it was.
Yeah, once one accepts the possibility of unequal results from a given investment, lots of solutions open up.
But we're being picky. The original answer is the best one.
Separate issue: you once mentioned (I think) some sort of mystery game or quiz for the Mote. What was it? Any progress?
Can you give us any details? A quiz? Game? A weight-reduction scam?
yes, I was originally working on an assumption that the investments were in, say a VC fund, in which a 10% hit ratio could be excellent. But if the other guy hit on 70%, it should be even better. I finally realized that the simpler answer was more elegant. But there probably could be a better wording (Average gains or losses were roughly comparable, or something along that line) to make it even cleaner.
Cool.
dusty--
Cool.
jj--
Cool.
Bob has two really low-achieving groups of math students this semester, and they have the requisite discipline problems, short attention spans, lack of motivation, etc. One thing he does with them occasionally when they have a few minutes at the end of the period is brain teasers.
He was having them figure out patterns of letters the other day and they weren't doing very well. Finally, after going through a few, Bob showed them one which he told them was one of the first things they ever learned about math in school, O T T F F S S E N T E..., and after giving several hints, finally explained to them what it was.
One of the boys looked up and said, "If I'd known how it worked I'd have gotten every damned one of them." The whole class (a very small one) turned and looked at the kid, and then looked at Bob, and one of the kids said, "Don't pay attention to So-and-so. He's from _____ ______," (a very small, rural, backward, poor community several miles from the school).
That seemed to be enough explanation for everyone, including Bob, and they went on with class.
I equally like the reciprocal... "On what basis is the sequence 8 5 4 9 1 7 6 3 2 0 ordered?"
Stumbo
Cool!! I don't recall seeing that before.
I've only given this a few seconds thought, but I think there is a fundamental difference between yours and Arky's. Hers automatically extends indefinitely, but yours stops after 0. It can be extended, to any arbitrary length, but not infinitely. Am I right?
Arky - a classic. See Message # 7168 for a slight variation.
Professor Yasunaga and his wife were shopping at a department store. While she stopped to look at the newest hats she noticed that her husband had wandered off. She was about to go look for him when she recalled a lecture he had given that had demonstrated if two people were separated it was more efficient for one of them to stay put while the other looked. So she decided to stay put till her husband should find her.
Although her recollection regarding the efficiencies of searches was correct, it turned out that her strategy was unwise. Why?
Answers in white font, please.
As an aside, is the supposition correct? It doesn't seem so, even after correcting for the problem associated with the answer to the puzzle.
My stab at 7437:
Because her husband, having been the one to give her the advice, would be doing the same thing?
Bingo!
And I agree about Maria - she's awesome.
Take this as a hint for Stumbo's problem, or ignore it if it doesn't help. It is (arguably) harder than Stumbo's, but I contend that, together, they are easier to solve:
8,18,11,15,5,4,14,9,19,1,7,17,6,16,10,13,3,12,2,0
Suppose three gunslingers are going to take turns shooting at one another. Arabella is the worst shot; she kills her target with 0.3 probability. Bertha is the best: she never misses and uses cyanide-laced bullets that kill instantly. Clymenestra is in between the two, and her victims have a 0.5 probability of death each time she takes aim.
The three will shoot in alphabetical order until only one Annie Oakley is left standing. What is Arabella's best strategy for making it of this good-bad-ugly predicament alive?
Suppose three gunslingers are going to take turns shooting at one another. Arabella is the worst shot; she kills her target with 0.3 probability. Bertha is the best: she never misses and uses cyanide-laced bullets that kill instantly. Clymenestra is in between the two, and her victims have a 0.5 probability of death each time she takes aim.
The three will shoot in alphabetical order until only one Annie Oakley is left standing. What is Arabella's best strategy for making it of this good-bad-ugly predicament alive?
Presumably, all of the gunslingers possess complete knowledge of the situation and are intelligent, yes?
I'm not up on stochastics, so I dunno which method would be better. But it doesn't seem implausible that even if the one-person-stays-put method might take longer, it wouldn't take twice as long -- hence, it's more efficient (by some definition of that term), since its costs (in terms of the energy it takes to move around) are half the other method's.
BTW: I followed the link to #7168, and then noticed the 100-daughters problem. Did you ever post a proof, for that? I mean, it's very easy to show that if one's strategy is to wait out a certain proportion of the total and then pick the first candidate that beats the best so far, that proportion should be 1/e. But I don't see why the best strategy is necessarily of that form.
I've seen this one.
1) According to Ovid, Jupiter finally decided to destroy the human race by _____.
a. lightning bolts b. fire c. flood d. burial with earth
2) After Jupiter destroyed humanity, what were used to repopulate the planet?
a. stones b. Lycaon's children c. snakes d. Gaia's kneecaps
3) What did Apollo kill to establish himself as a master of Delphi?
a. a sphinx b. a griffin c. a chimera d. a python
4) With which of the following is Artemis NOT generally associated?
a. prophecy b. the moon c. animals d. chastity
5) Which of the following does Jason NOT have to accomplish in order to acquire the golden fleece?
a. wrestle a giant b. yoke bulls c. sow dragon's teeth d. plow a field
6) Who was the Roman god of fire?
a. Vulcan b. Saturn c. Mars d. Ignis
7) Early Roman temples were divided into three portions: for the triad of Jupiter, Juno, and _____.
a. Neptune b. Diana c. Mercury d. Minerva
8) In honor of what god was the Festival of Lupercalia?
a. Faunus b. Jupiter c. Apollo d. Cupid
9) Who was the Trojan who survived to found the Roman race?
a. Antenor b. Aeneas c. Priam d. Hector
10) The youth Hyacinthus was killed with a discus by his friend Apollo. Whom do some believe caused the discus to hit Hyacinthus out of jealousy for his friendship?
a. Aeolus b. Notus c. Eurus d. Zephyr
11) All of the following were nymphs except _____.
a. naiads b. bareads c. oreads d. dryads
12) Who wore a lion skin and carried a club?
a. Hercules b. Aeneas c. Mars d. Vulcan
13) What is the magical herb which Hermes gave Odysseus against the power of Circe?
a. nectar b. lotus c. ambrosia d. moly
(Cont'd.)
a. Peleus b. Thetis c. Ariadne d. Aphrodite
15) Who was the Cyclops who terrorized the men of Odysseus?
a. Poseidon b. Nausicaa c. Polyphemus d. Antinous
(Cont'd.)
16) Who was the father of Jupiter?
a. Saturn b. Atlas c. Uranus d. Apollo
17) _____ guided souls to the underworld and carried the caduceus.
a. Jupiter b. Mars c. Hercules d. Mercury
18) Who was the father of Aeneas?
a. Alcestis b. Anchises c. Antinoos d. Ascanius
19) Dido, the queen of Carthage, had a nickname. What was it?
a. Carissima b. Regina c. Elissa d. Lavinia
20) ____ flew too close to the sun.
a. Icarus b. Phaethon c. Theseus d. Daedalus
21) Whom did Aurora turn into a grasshopper because he grew older and older, shriveling up, but could not die?
a. Tithonus b. Cephalus c. Memnon d. Sisyphus
22) Riding Pegasus, who killed the chimera?
a. Perseus b. Glaucus c. Bellerophon d. Polyidus
23) In which labor did Hercules acquire the poisoned arrows?
a. Nemean lion b. Cerberus c. Lernean hydra d. Stymphalian birds
24) _____ was Hercules' second wife, who unintentionally caused his death.
a. Megara b. Hebe c. Deianira d. Omphale
25) Who changed Odysseus' men to pigs?
a. Alcinous b. Circe c. Aeolus d. Calypso
26) Whose song was irresistible?
a. the Planctae b. the Sirens c. the Parcae d. Circe
27) Charon was _____.
a. the King of Hades b. a ferryman in Hades c. a judge in Hades d. a river in Hades
28) Oedipus is best known to us from a play by _____.
a. Sophocles b. Aeschylus c. Euripides d. Aristophanes
(Cont'd.)
a. Menoeceus b. Haemon c. Agamemnon d. Tydeus
30) Cadmus and Jason share what in their legends?
a. bulls b. Harpies c. doves d. dragon's teeth
31) Jupiter visited Leda in the form of a(n) ______.
a. bull b. eagle c. swan d. rainstorm
32) What was Sibyl's fate?
a. to grow old endlessly b. to turn ugly c. not to be believed d. to die suddenly
33) Zeus snatched _____ and placed her in the stars after an enraged Hera had turned her into a bear.
a. Artemis b. Callisto c. Hero d. Amalthea
34) The _____ river is also known as the River of Forgetfulness.
a. Styx b. Lethe c. Phlegethon d. Acheron
35) Arachne lost what kind of a contest?
a. singing b. flute playing c. running d. weaving
36) Athena was born _____.
a. from Hephaestus' head b. from Hera alone c. from Zeus' head d. on the ocean
37) By trade Pygmalion was a _____.
a. fisherman b. shepherd c. sculptor d. huntsman
38) A peal of thunder by Jupiter signalled the transformation of ants into humans, known as the _____.
a. Pales b. Myrmidons c. Gyges d. Bacchantes
39) Who was the goddess of the crossroads?
a. Hecate b. Niobe c. Selene d. Hecuba
40) The Furies, also known as the _____ were described by Vergil as living in the
underworld, where they punished evildoers.
a. Sileni b. Manes c. Larvae d. Erinyes
(Cont'd.)
a. Graiae b. Parcae c. Gorgons d. Chimerae
42) Phineus, given the gift of prophecy by Apollo, had displeased Zeus, who inflicted a terrible punishment. Whenever Phineus was about to dine, these "hounds of Zeus" swooped down and defiled his food.
a. Sirens b. Harpies c. Scyllas d. Graiae
43) For the most part, the half-man, half-horse Centaurs were savage creatures. However, _____ was known everywhere for his goodness and wisdom.
a. Creon b. Charon c. Chiron d. Chios
44) What sort of nymph is a nereid?
a. sea b. tree c. stream d. grove
45) Which goddess was bid by Juno to travel to the house of Somnus, God of Sleep, and request that he send a dream to Alcyone telling of the fate of her husband Ceyx?
a. Hebe b. Eris c. Iris d. Selene
46) Whose mother was Medusa?
a. Pegasus b. Cerberus c. Poseidon d. Hydra
47) Who were the Penates?
a. musicians b. household protectors c. protectors of travelers d. craftsmen
48) The Muses function as _____.
a. patronesses of Literature & Arts b. fertility deities c. controllers of man's life thread d. attendants
49) Apollo bestowed upon _____ the art of prophecy, but when she did not return his love, he made it so that no one would ever believe her visions.
a. Cassandra b. Castalia c. Venus d. Teiresias
50) _____ was cursed by Juno to repeat whatever was last said to her.
a. Io b. Europa c. Leda d. Echo
6. d (?)
25. d
26. b
27. b
28. a
34. a
46. d
50. d
Correct on 26, 27, 28, 50.
1) c
2)a
3) a
4) a
5) a
6) a
7) no clue. guess a
8) no clue. guess c
9) b
10)d, I think
11) I'll guess c. If I am wrong, it is b.
12) a
13) d
14) b
15) c
16) a
17)d
18) b, I think
19) I have to read Aeniad one of these days. d?
20) a
21) a?
22) c
23) c
24)Don't recall, I think hebe was his devine wife, so on the off chance that Disney got something right, I'll say a.
25) b
26) b
27) b
28) a
29) dunno. Been a long time since I read Antigone. a?
30) d
31) c
32) a?
33) b, I think
34) b
35) d
36) c
37) c
38)b
39)a, I think.
40) d
41) c
42) b
43) c
44) already guessed. Must be a.
45) c is the logical guess.
46) have to guess c.
47> a?
48)a
49)a
50) d
46) Hydra
I just got here and I'm going to go through the whole thing w/o reading the answers so far.
Here are my answers:
1. c
2. a
3. d
4. a
5. a
6. d
7. d
8. c
9. b
10. d
11. b
12. a
13. d
14. b
15. c
16. c
17. d
18. b
19. c
20. a
21. a
22. a
23. d
24. c
25. b
26. b
27. b
28. c
29. d
30. a
31. c
32. a
33. b
34. b
35. d
36. c
37. c
38. b
39. a
40. d
41. d
42. b
43. c
44. c
45. c
46. b
47. b
48. a
49. a
50. d
8) In honor of what god was the Festival of Lupercalia?
a. Faunus b. Jupiter c. Apollo d. Cupid
[8c was already eliminated by me and Raskolnikov
29) _____ is Creon's son, who died shortly after Antigone.
a. Menoeceus b. Haemon c. Agamemnon d. Tydeus
[29 a & c have both been guessed already]
and
46) Whose mother was Medusa?
a. Pegasus b. Cerberus c. Poseidon d. Hydra
[Hmm. I see a is the only one left, thanks to me, Rask and Wombat. A horse from Medusa? Who was the father?]
8, then. I'm gonna look it up. (But before I do, I'll guess Jupiter, just because it seems too well known to have been for a minor leaguer like Faunus.
BTW: I followed the link to #7168, and then noticed the 100-daughters problem. Did you ever post a proof, for that?
No.
The site where I found the puzzle posted the answer, but no proof.
"L., a Roman festival (15 February) conducted by the association (sodalitas) of Luperci (cf. lupus, 'wolf'). It included odd rites: goats and a dog were sacrificed at the Lupercal (a cave at the foot of the Palatine where a she-wolf reared Romulus and Remus; the blood was smeared with a knife on the foreheads of two youths (who were obliged to laugh), and wiped with wool dipped in milk; then the Luperci, naked except for girdles from the skin of sacrificial goats, ran (probably) around the Palatine, strkiking bystanders, especially women, with goat-skin thongs (a favorite scene in the iconography of Roman months). The rite combined purificatory lustration and fertility magic, but no interpretation is fully satisfactory. It was at the Lupercalia that Antony, consul and Lupercus, offered a royal diadem to Caesar (44 BC). The festival survived until at least AD 494 when Gelasius I, the bishop of Rome, perhaps banned Christian participation and transformed it into the feast of Purification of the Virgin.
Arabella should fire into the air (i.e., intentionally miss).
If A shoots at C and hits, then B will shoot at A and surely kill A. So obviously A doesn't want to shoot at C.
Now, if A shoots at B and hits, then C gets first shot at A. C will have a 0.5 chance of killing A with that first shot. Then, it becomes a cycle of C and A shooting at one another. If you work out the probability it is approximately a .23:.77 chance that A will win this exchange versus C winning it overall (I think I've done the math correctly, but if I haven't, I still remember the correct answer and reasoning from the first time I saw the puzzle--just not the exact ratio).
OTOH, if A shoots into the air, then, as you said, B will shoot C as the greater threat. But in this case, A gets first crack at B, which is of course just one shot, as B will surely kill A the next time.
But that one shot has a 0.3 chance of success, which is higher than the probability A will defeat C in the exchange described above.
"The site where I found the puzzle posted the answer, but no proof."
Damn. How cruel of them.
Well, here's what little I can do:
Let q be the proportion of candidates that we wait out; p(q), the probability that this method will yield the desired result; and assume that the number of candidates is large enough to justify using calc. Let x be the relative position of the best candidate; x is uniformly distributed over the interval [0,1]. If x < q, p(q, x) is 0; if x > q, p(q, x) is the probability that the best candidate in the interval [0,x) is in [0,q], i.e. q/x. Thus, overall, we get
p(q) = Integral [x = q..1] q/x dx = - q * ln(q) + C
and p'(q) = - (1 + ln(q)), which equals 0 for q = 1/e.
(By setting q = 1 in the equation above, we get C = 0; hence p(1/e), the maximum value of p(q), happens to be 1/e, also.)
But, of course, I still haven't the foggiest how to prove that the optimal strategy must be of this form (if it's even true at all).
What do the following audio clips have in common?
1 2 3
(#1 and #2 fit the theme perfectly; #3, sorta. #1 is somewhat more obscure than #2 and #3.) 
And this? 
>
A back scratcher.
Probably never sold.
2
"Rumors of my death have much exaggerated."
Probably sold reasonably in a society where numerous urban legends and tales of horror dwelt on cases of premature burial.<
Wrong on the first one.
Possibly right on the second one although I wouldn't be too sure, but that's not the answer.
Pelle
Is the first one a device to give yourself a pat on the back?
On the second,I would have guessed the same as transient1a:
Looks like a way to signal if you have been buried inadvertantly.
RALPH R. PIRO
Patented Sep. 2, 1986
BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
This invention relates to an apparatus which is useful for providing a self-administered pat-on-the-back or a congratulatory gesture.
More particularly, this invention relates to an easily disassembled, portable and body mounted device which may be used for amusement or for a needed psychological lift. In this connection, an arrangement of easily manufactured pieces is assembled in tinker-toy fashion to set up a mechanical apparatus which employs either gravity or a spring biased mechanism to retract a simulated hand mounted on an arm from a body contacting position after urging to such a position by a ribbon or rope connection pulled by the user.
No. You should rather think in the opposite direction.
No,no, the opposite of dissolution.
I posted.
(in white)
7503. cmboyce - 1/29/2001 10:16:05 AM
But dauntless the slug-horn to my lips I set, and blew:
A VAMPIRE SLAYER!!
There is nothing in white, however.
I think I need another cuppa.
With perhaps a little schnapps. Pelle, really, that was a shocking vision to induce so early in the morning. But wait, aha!, for you it's somewhere near dawn, I daresay, the hour at which the undead must retreat to their lairs. Good lord, Pelle, you don't mean to say.... you couldn't be... could you???
Your are on track. Let's see if somebody spells it out before I reveal all in a few hours.
Toy check?
Is that a prism on the stick?
Directing light into the coffin?
Note: The mysterious picture we are discussing is in Message # 7488.
No prism.
WILLIAM H. WHITE
Patented December 22, 1891
To all whom it may concern:
Be it known that I, WILLIAM H. WHITE of Topeka Shawnee county, Kansas, have invented certain new and useful Improvements in Annunciators for the Supposed Dead, of which the following is a full, clear, description, reference being had to the accompanying drawings, forming a part hereof.
My invention relates to an improvement in grave-annunciators; and it consists in the peculiar combination and arrangement of devices, as will be fully hereinafter specified, and particularly pointed out in the claims.
The object of my invention is to provide a means whereby the supposed cadaver (buried before life is extinct) on regaining animation may sound an alarm through the annunciator located at the superintendent's office or other suitable place, by which a signal of life may be imparted and also immediate rescue rendered to the recuperating body by means of fresh air until the said body is disinterred and medical aid summoned.
transientla had it in Message # 7589 and Dusty seconded it in 7493. That's why us other poor mortals were reduced to more or less ludicrous conclusions (such as my vampire slayer, a device to drive a stake... well, never mind).
My God! I didn't see all of transient's white font text. Belated honours to him! And my apologies. I think it's the second time I make the same mistake. Stumbo was the earlier victim.
Mote regulars' theme songs (at least, the three that I could think of).
#1: "Stumbo" (by Wiseblood)
#2: "Ace Of Spades" (by Motorhead)
#3: "California Girls" (DLR version)
Too bad EC wasn't around for this...
Just got back from Sociology Stats...the computer lab geeks have created a course page - lectures, data sets, homework, practice quizes, model answers etc.
To get people to use it and learn something the instructor added a "quiz of the week" feature...the class is supposed to brainstorm answers and if we get 6 out of 10 the instructor gives everyone 1pt. and he'll shave his head....
I'll try and post each week's quiz. Let's get those clippers ready for Chris Bettinger!
So it rises in the first half of the Carter admin., flags a bit but gets a second wind in the first half of Reagan's first administration, then grows continually less popular (though still very popular, NB) throughout the Reagan years and into Bush's admin.; rises again through Clinton's election, then drops the second time, after his reelection.
It would be nice to know how this relates to the previous history. If popularity ranged from 70% to 75% for 20 years before 1977, then this sequence carries a different meaning than if it was "normally" at 82%, or 40%.
What does this mean? I don't fucking know? Waddya yooz think?
That horizontal is 1/2 inch long, on my screen. The whole graph is 5 1/2 inches. That would make 21 years. I think it must be 77-98.
All of Message # 7522 is predicated on that assumption, anyway.
Now where's that oil for my clippers...as a shavie head myself, I can hardly wait to convert Chris!
Wait a minute!! Mystery variable?? I hope this just means that the mystery is what's popularity is being measured. Shit, one can't guess some arbitrarily designed thingy, here! If it's percent of the statistics that are available on the pop. of the pol., then fuck it.
But I don't think it is.
So I'll take another stab at the preliminaries. Popularity of the mystery policy rose precipitously from an already sturdy 75% in 1973 and through the 2d quarter of '75 (per my little ruler), that is, most of Nixon's 2d term, dithering a little before achieving a high (at 83%+) in the 1st quarter of 1979, about half-way through Carter's term. Then, it's popularity diminshed again fairly rapidly (but only to about 75%, again—this is basically popular stuff that for a while excited greater enthusiasm) by the end of 87 (near the end of Reagan years). Then it's increased popularity has a reprise, achieveing about 1/2 its previous height, in Bush's last year, retreating to its earlier (norm?) c. 75% by 1998.
Go figure.
I'm with Maria - Cap. Pun.
I think Marie's guess is a good one, or perhaps keeping drugs illegal.
Since the graph begins in 1972 and shows the most dramatic change in the next couple of years, something significant must have happened then.
Another guess: An equal rights amendment for women?
There is no dramatic change. The scale is misleading. I'm thinking about gun control. Support for registration perhaps?
Normally, I'd try to use jexster's psychology to think about what this might be, but since it's an assignment from his class, he didn't necessarily choose it.
I checked Gallup and it looks a little high to be support for capital punishment, but that's fairly close.
Considering the scale, most of the fluctuations must be noise in the data. The only points we can really use for reference are rapid and dramatic changes.
Based on the upswing between 72 and 73 I would say that it has something to do with racial equality. I would say the policy was Affirmatice action based on the shape, but the scale makes that impossible. I don't think AA ever enjoyed 75%+ support from adult Americans!
Legalization of marijuana? *g*
I think aytch is right also, but I disagree that it is a silly exercise. Remember, it is a stats class. The issue is a discussion of the meaning of the data, not a discussion of the underlying social policy.
I suspect it is intended to be an example of a misleading presentation of data. When the "natural" scale is 0 to 100%, showing only a portion of the scale exaggerates the movement. The values range over only 8 percentage points, not a particularly large range. While such restrictions are common, they have to be interpreted with care. And as Indiana points out, if it really is a poll, statistical noise is almost as large as the apparent "signal".
I have to wonder if it is a random walk.
That graph may be deceptive, but it would be much more deceptive if it were a bar chart. The default setting on Microsoft Excel create bar charts which do not originate at zero, and so automatically exaggerate the differences between data points.
Above is a graph from the Gallop organization showing public confidence in the US Supreme Court. Respondents were asked the following question: "I am going to read you a list of institutions in American society. Please tell me how much confidence you, yourself, have in each one--a great deal, quite a lot, some, or very little?" In this case, the institution was the US Supreme Court. The bars represent the percentage of responses that were either "great deal" or "quite a lot." This graph, while generally quite good, has at least two significant flaws. What are they?
The graph in #7555 is obviously flawed because (1) the x-axis isn't uniform; and (2) we aren't told what other institutions the respondents were asked about, or in what order -- so the list, and/or the order, could've varied from poll to poll.
Last week's quiz, a graph of fluctuating (mostly downward) for abortion...
The x-axis is also important above because you'll note the 2 October entries....that's the October Term when announcements of decisions could affect things similarly the June Term...
Nor do we know on what days of the week or during what hours of the day these polls were conducted, what medium/media was/were used, etc.
So, <CYA> I pointed out the two flaws that were explicitly specific to this particular graph (or this particular series of polls), rather than any similar one. </CYA>
2)Representation of % by year versus by month. Rendering the analytical value, beyond vague generality, useless.
Answers in white please.
Yes, I am although my plans are changing someone what. I was going to bring my daughter, but she has a conflict. My current plans are to bring my wife, although it isn't settled, and I don't have plane reservations yet. I was planning to do that tomorrow.
Correct on 9, Cal.
I'd say #1 is the only less than famous film.
Not a horror movie watcher, I. Betcha Ace gets a bunch of 'em.
Man, #3 is killing me here.
The additional clue for #3 is "Looseiana whores" were close by.
And one more clue in white font that ought to make it a gimme: Wheel-chair-bound Franklin wanted to keep the flashlight.
Aha! Okay it has to be one of the Texas Chainsaw Massacres, but I have no clue which one of them it is (hey, I like horror flicks but I'm not that pathetic).
I probably shouldn't say I saw it twice.
I have no idea which one I saw. What’s worse is I can’t remember why I was watching it. But I do recall that after a couple of Killian Reds parts of it are hysterically funny.
Unfortunately, putting extra plating on all parts of the bombers will make them too heavy and slow. So the engineers wish to reinforce the bottoms as efficiently as possible and add plating only where it will do the most good.
The RAF provides the mathematician with several samples of their bombers that have been exposed to anti-aircraft fire and are thus pock-marked with holes. He carefully examines all their bottoms and then makes an unexpected recommendation.
What does he recommend?
Fly upside down.
#2 -- "You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!" Plan 9 From Outer Space
8 -- Twillight Zone, The Movie
Eh, I see these have already been gotten. The "typing" one was so obvious I didn't bother answering, figuring it had been answered (it had). The Poltergeist one was pretty easy, too.
#11 -- "Hellllo, lover."
#12 -- "Good, bad. I'm the guy with the gun."
(alternate take: "I ain't *that* good.)
What two famous villains had eyes decribed as "black, like a dolls' eyes"?
Bonnie and Clyde?
Complete the lyric. Identify song & performer.
1) "You told me you'd hold me until the day you died..."
2) "You used to think it was so easy, you used to say it was so easy, ..."
3) "You're wondering what I am, machine or mannikan, ..."
(Mannikin forced to sort-of rhyme with "am.)
4) "Drink down the gathering gloom..."
5) "Romeo and Juliette are together in eternity..." (Tough one. You certainly know the song, and you know this lyric, but you probably have no idea what the hell is said next. NO CHEATING.)
6) "One day he goes and takes a glimpse in the mirror, and he doesn't recognize his own face, his health is fading and he doesn't know why..."
7) "What does it matter to ya? When you gotta job to do, ..."
8) "I'd drive a million miles to be with you tonight, so if you're feeling low,..."
9) "Then I woke up, Mom and Dad are Rolling on couch, rollin over, rockin rollin, ..."
10) "I had visions, I was in them, ..."
11) "Oh it's been gettin' so hard, livin' with the things you do to me, things are getting so strange, ..."
12) "Sometimes you're better off dead, there's a gun in your hand and it's pointed at your head, you think you're mad, too unstable, ..."
13) "And I need you now tonight, and I need your more than ever, and if you only hold me tight,.."
14) "Gangland slaying underground, new identity must be found, on the Left Bank for a while, ..."
15) "With every move he makes, another chance he takes..."
IJ:
The villains aren't in the same movie, but their eyes are described in very similar ways.
Actually, I've got to retract the question entirely. It's wrong.
Quint describes a shark's eyes as "black, like a doll's eyes," but he's not specifically referring to Jaws, which is what makes this question bogus.
Donald Pleasance also describes Michael Myers' eyes as black and like a doll's.
13) "And if you'll only hold me tight, we'll be holding on forever." Bonnie Tyler, Total Eclipse of the Heart
4. Nights in White Satin - Moody Blues
2. Something like "But you're crying, you're crying now."
Complete the lyric, too, if you can.
Cal & Dipshit are both right. I put those in there for them. Like you let a child win at checkers. Unless you want to teach him a lesson in futility, defeat, and despair.
IJ:
Close. The "Crying" lines are in the next verse.
The actual lyric rhymes with "crying," and makes sense when compared to "You used to think it was so easy."
I could hear the voice; I hate that voice.
Secret Agent Man - Johnny Rivers
Baker Street, Gerry Rafferty
4) "Drink down the gathering gloom..."
Knights in White Satin, Moody Blues
7) "What does it matter to ya? When you gotta job to do, ..." you gotta do it well; you gotta give other fella helllll!"
Paul MaCartney, Live and Let Die.
15)"With every move he makes, another chance he takes..." "Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow"
Johnny Rivers, Secret Agent Man
Baker Street gotten by IJ (my call). Correct lyrics:
"You used to think it was so easy, you used to say it was so easy, but you're trying, you're trying now
"Another year and you would be happy , one more year and you would be happy, but you're crying, you're crying now."
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow.
West End Girls - Pet Shop boys.
Well, I would tally up who's gotten these, but it's too complicated, since some people are completing lyrics and other people are identifying the song.
You know who you are.
Everyone's right so far.
1) "You told me you'd hold me until the day you died..."
3) "You're wondering what I am, machine or mannikan, ..."
(Mannikin forced to sort-of rhyme with "am.)
5) "Romeo and Juliette are together in eternity..." (Tough one. You certainly know the song, and you know this lyric, but you probably have no idea what the hell is said next. NO CHEATING.)
6) "One day he goes and takes a glimpse in the mirror, and he doesn't recognize his own face, his health is fading and he doesn't know why..."
8) "I'd drive a million miles to be with you tonight, so if you're feeling low, ..."
9) "Then I woke up, Mom and Dad are Rolling on couch, rollin over, rockin rollin, ..."
10) "I had visions, I was in them, ..."
11) "Oh it's been gettin' so hard, livin' with the things you do to me, things are getting so strange, ..."
14) "Gangland slaying underground, new identity must be found, on the Left Bank for a while, ..."
What's left:
1) "You told me you'd hold me until the day you died..." OPEN -- EASY!!!
2) "You used to think it was so easy, you used to say it was so easy, ..." CLOSED. Gerry Rafferty, Baker street
3) "You're wondering what I am, machine or mannikan, ..."
(Mannikin forced to sort-of rhyme with "am.)
OPEN -- EASY! Big silly rock hit of the late seventies or early eighties. Maybe 1980.
4) "Drink down the gathering gloom..." Closed. Moody Blues. Knights in White Satin
5) "Romeo and Juliette are together in eternity..." (Tough one. You certainly know the song, and you know this lyric, but you probably have no idea what the hell is said next. NO CHEATING.)
OPEN -- BIG, BIG Rock hit of the early eighties. A very silly song-- warning: CONTAINS COWBELL.
6) "One day he goes and takes a glimpse in the mirror, and he doesn't recognize his own face, his health is fading and he doesn't know why..."
OPEN: HUGE POP/R&B hit of 1995 or so.
7) "What does it matter to ya? When you gotta job to do, ..." CLOSED.
8) "I'd drive a million miles to be with you tonight, so if you're feeling low, ..." OPEN. Big MTV hit of early eighties.
7. McCartney & Wings (later Guns 'N Roses) -Live and let Die
9) "Then I woke up, Mom and Dad are Rolling on couch, rollin over, rockin rollin, ..."
OPEN-- Huge rock hit of 1980 or so.
10) "I had visions, I was in them, ..." OPEN. Tough. Alternate rock/pop hit of 1998 or so.
11) "Oh it's been gettin' so hard, livin' with the things you do to me, things are getting so strange, ..."
OPEN. Big rock hit of late seventies.
12) "Sometimes you're better off dead, there's a gun in your hand and it's pointed at your head, you think you're mad, too unstable, ..." CLOSED. WEG, PSB
13) "And I need you now tonight, and I need your more than ever, and if you only hold me tight,.."
CLOSED. BOnnie Tyler, TEOTH
14) "Gangland slaying underground, new identity must be found, on the Left Bank for a while, ..."
OPEN. Very tough. Alternative pop radio hit from around 1984.
15) "With every move he makes, another chance he takes..." CLOSED. Secret Agent Man, Johnny Rivers
Correct on performer & song; also complete lyric.
Cal,
Yes.
Clue:
another lyric: "An older version of me, is she perverted like me?"
Don't Fear the Reaper, Blue Oyster Cult
JJ:
Right. Can you complete the very-hard-to-understand lyric?
(I can't believe that one hung out there this long.)
Surrender, Cheap Trick
OPEN-- Huge rock hit of 1980 or so.
another lyric: "Father says you're Mommy's right, she's really up on things, before we married Mommy served as a WAC in the Phillipines."
A true fucking classic.
Right, JJ. But complete the lyric if you know it.
Cal,
There is no prince on the list. #14 is extremely difficult, and a song no one is likely to get. I just threw it on there to get to an even fifteen questions.
Aytch:
Hee, hee. No. "We can be like they are" follows "The Seasons don't fear the Reaper," earlier in the song. (I just listened to it. I would have chosen that lyric, except it contains the word "Reaper," which is sort of a giveaway.)
Nice one, Ace.
Wombat,
That's right. Nice. "Forty thousand men and women every day, forty thousand men and women every day, we can join them."
1) You told me you'd hold me until the day you died... But you're still alive. Alanis Morrisette, You Oughtta Know.
3) You're wondering what I am, machine or mannikan, with parts made in Japan. Can't believe no one got that.
6) "One day he goes and takes a glimpse in the mirror, and he doesn't recognize his own face, his health is fading and he doesn't know why, three letters took him to his final resting place. (HIV reference) Waterfalls, TLC
8) "I'd drive a million miles to be with you tonight, so if you're feeling low, turn on the radio. Wang Chung, Everybody have fun tonight
9) "Then I woke up, Mom and Dad are Rolling on couch, rollin over, rockin rollin, Got my KISS records onnnnnnnn...
10) "I had visions, I was in them, I was looking into the mirror. A bad question on my part, thrown in to round out the list. Harvey Danger, Flagpolesittah
11) "Oh it's been gettin' so hard, livin' with the things you do to me, things are getting so strange, I'd like to show you everything I see. Ballroom Blitz, by The Sweet. Jeeze, I put this song into every song quiz I do.
14) "Gangland slaying underground, new identity must be found, on the Left Bank for a while, insanity Bohemian style. E-MC2, Big Audio Dynamite.
Don't fear the Reaper is about suicide? A lover's leap, I guess?
I never picked up on that.
"40,000 men and women everyday" refers to suicide victims?
Geeze! I figured it was the number of marriages per day!
I guess I really missed the meaning of that song.
Does she know how you told me you'd hold me
until you died, 'till you died, but you're still alive.
Angry White Chick Angst Queen Alannis Morrisette from Oughta Know off of the Jagged Little Pill album
VW,
Yes, correct. I guess I botched the opening line.
PP,
But was Gerry Rafferty or the Foo Fighters covering it?
#8 is definitely Wang Chung’s Everybody have fun tonight but I can’t remember if the next line is “turn on the radio” or “turn up the radio” or “turn the radio on”. It was something to do with the damn radio.
I assuming you're kidding with me, but if you're not, Don't Fear The Reaper is about a guy trying to convince his girlfriend to kill herself with him.
The Reaper is death. 40,000 people die each day. Romeo and Juliette killed themselves. We can be like they were.
Correct Lyrics:
Take your baby by the ears, and play upon her darkest fears
Fielding,
You must understand that when I listened to the song as a kid, I was wholly incapable of understanding lyrics. Not the metaphoric meaning, mind you; I didn't even understand the words.
As I've gotten older, once unintelligible lyrics are suddenlyh clear as day to me. I heard the "40,000 men and women everyday" a thousand times as a kid, and I only heard it as "ffff-ty fumphy deedee everyday." I just listened to it today and *finally* made out the actual words.
This is sort of why I like posting lyrics in the first place. It amuses me that I can now hear "Mommy served as a WAC in the Phillipines" clear as day now, but fifteen years ago I only heard "Mmmmm serf ain't it wack in the dee-dee-dee."
As soon as you said the song was about suicide, it all made perfect sense: The 40,ooo men and women line, the R & J line, the title. But I never even pondered it before, because I never understood anything *but* the title and a few snippets of the chorus.
"Wang" is the sound a guitar makes if its strummed in one direction. "Chung" is the sound it makes if it is strummed in the other direction.
In other words: We will make you happy.
During WWII, a mathematician is called in by the RAF to make a recommendation about reinforcing their bombers. The problem is that the bombers are proving too susceptible to being shot down by antiaircraft fire from the ground. The proposed solution is to reinforce the metal plating on the bottom of the bombers to lessen this susceptibility.
Unfortunately, putting extra plating on all parts of the bombers will
make them too heavy and slow. So the engineers wish to reinforce the
bottoms as efficiently as possible and add plating only where it will do the most good.
The RAF provides the mathematician with several samples of their
bombers that have been exposed to anti-aircraft fire and are thus
pock-marked with holes. He carefully examines all their bottoms and
then makes an unexpected recommendation.
What does he recommend?
Previous wrong guesses have included flying upside down or armor-plating the pilot.
Note: This is a reasonably straightforward problem, meaning the answer addresses the information contained in the puzzle, rather than pulling an answer out of thin air.
1 - "You told me you'd hold me until the day you died" but you're still alive and I'm here to remind you of the mess you made when you went away"
You Oughtta Know - Alanis Morrisette
2 - "You used to think that it was so easy, you used to say that it was so easy, but you're trying, you're crying now."
unknown
3 - "You're wondering what I am, machine or mannikan, with parts made in Japan I am the modren man. I'm Kilroy"
Mr. Roboto - Styx
4 -"Drink down the gathering gloom..." I always thought it was "Breathe deep the gathering gloom"
Knights in White Satin - Moody Blues
5 - "Romeo and Juliette are together in eternityromeo and juliet
(40 million men and women everyday) romeo and juliet"
Don't Fear the Reaper by Blue Oyster Cult
6 - ?
7 - ?
8 - ?
Surrender by Cheap Trick
10 - ?
11 -?
12 - "Sometimes you're better off dead, there's a gun in your hand and it's pointed at your head, you think you're mad, too unstable, knocking down doors and kicking in tables in a restaurant in a West End town, call the police there's a madman around..."
West End Girls by The Pet Shop Boys
13 - "And I need you now tonight, and I need your more than ever, and if you only hold me tight, we'll be holding on forever. And we'll only be making it right cuz we'll never be wrong together we can take it to the end of the line where love is like a shadow on us all of the time
Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler
which I occasionally perform at karaoke.....how embarassing is that?
14 - ?
15 - ?
PP,
Jeeze, that didn't even occur to me.
Christin O:
Right on everything. I botched the lyric for Knights in White Satin; but you are wrong about Baker Street's "You're trying, you're crying now." It's "you're trying, you're trying now."
You're crying comes later, after a line about "Another year and you would be happy."
IJ:
I dunno. Armor only the fronts of the planes?
You're playing a game with a magician. He has three closed boxes, A,B and C, one of which contains $1000. You choose a box (say A). The magician now opens one of the remaining boxes (say B) and shows you that it is empty. At this point you have the choice of trading the box you first picked for the box remaining C. Should you trade, keep your first choice, or does it not matter? If one way is better, what are the odds?
16) I remember when you were down
you would always come running to me
I never denied you and I would guide you
...
17) Anyone can see the road that they walk on is paved in gold
It’s always summer they’ll never grow cold
...
18) Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me
I ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed
She was lookin’ kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb
...
19) Your face is jammin’
your body’s heck-a-slammin’
if love is good
...
20) Something in the moonlight catches my eye
the shadow of a lover goes dancing by
lookin for a little bit of love to grow
...
21) Mirror mirror on the wall
Tell me mirror what is wrong?
Can it be by de la clothes
...
22)Just like the light of a new day
It hit me from out of the blue
Breaking me out of the spell I was in
...
23) I heard you on my wireless back in ’52
lying awake intent on tuning in on you
...
24) The boy said, “My name’s Johnny and it might be a sin
But I’ll take your bet and you’re gonna regret
Because I’m the best there’s ever been.
25) Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles
...
26) I, I wish you could swim
Like dolphins, like dolphins can swim
No nothing, nothing can keep us together
...
27) I knew you’d love me as long as you wanted
and then someday you’d leave me for somebody knew
worry why do I let myself worry
...
28)He-man drag in a glittering ballroom
...
29)This monkey can’t stand to see you black & blue
I give you something sweet
...
30)Just because the record has a groove don’t make in the groove
...
31) Something in the moonlight catches my eye
the shadow of a lover goes dancing by
looking for a little bit of love to grow
...
32) She couldn’t help thinkin’ that death
was a little more life somewhere else
after all it was a great big world
with lots of places to run to
yet if she had to die try-in’
...
Ford used that information to do something. In this case, the logic is basically the inverse. And that's about as big a hint as I can give without revealing the answer.
(Incidentally, the Ford story was in my college zoology textbook and was used as an example of how evolution designs living things.)
Shit. I posted the whole lyric for #24.
CO,
#14 is not Talking Heads. I actually posted the answer a page or two back, all in white font.
"He played Fire on the Mountain, run boy run,"
Something like that.
IJ,
Strip off the armor, fly higher.
I was actually going to guess that earlier, but it didn't seem right. It seemed to "real world" a solution, rather than a cute logic-puzzle-answer.
which I occasionally perform at karaoke.....how embarassing is that?
Slightly less than doing Margaritaville at karaoke.
When you make the first choice, you have a one in three chance of it being right. But now C has a one in two chance of being right. But so does the box you have. So I never got that damn question.
It shouldn't make any difference. But I bet there's going to be some weird way that it does.
I'm crazy for trying, crazy for crying, and crazy for loving you.
IJ,
It is crazy, but the following lyric is actually "Wonderin' what in the while (?) did I do."
JJ,
Yes, but lyric missing.
They'll never get old and grey
Believe it or Not by somebody.
Theme song for the TV show Greatest American Hero
Country Grammar, Nelly?
My daughter listens to it.
never can hear the lyrics right because the phrasing is so freakin' strange. It's a bitch to sing even when you've got the words in front of you
Video Killed the Radio Star, Buggles
The first video ever played on MTV.
Hey Bulldog, The Beatles. (Love that song, especially John's maniacal laughter at the end).
(I didn't know the next line, anyway)
are you sure you didn't skip something?
Heroes - David Bowie later covered by the Wallflowers
lying awake intent on tuning in on you
Video Killed The Radio Star by The Buggles
What important distinction does this song have?
But I’ll take your bet and you’re gonna regret Because I’m the best there’s ever been.
The Night the Devil Went Down TO Georgia (or something like that) The Charlie Daniels Band.
Like dolphins, like dolphins can swim
No nothing, nothing can keep us together
Heroes by David Bowie
5:15, The Who
I think that this is
Stayin Alive, The Bee-Gees
Tell me mirror what is wrong?
Can it be by de la clothes
Is this that song by Berry Gordy's nephew that had Michael Jackson singing in the background? I think it was called "(I always feel like) Somebody's Watching Me".
It is definitely better to switch boxes, twice as good as keeping the one you first chose.
Threads always have a lot of traffic when the host changes. :)
Why? I mean, that was my guess, because I've read it before. But why is it true?
The bomber puzzle: Everyone appears to have ignored the part of the puzzle where the mathematician inspected the shot-up bombers. What is significant about those planes, in reality?
If you picked wrongly the first time, then the box is the one the host didn't choose, 100 percent of the time.
So you have a 2/3 chance of being right if you now pick that one.
It is 1 in 3 that the money was in box A. It is 2 in 3 that the money was in box B or C. But it doesn't matter which of B or C it was, because the magician is going to toss out the empty one regardless. So choosing C is the same as choosing the set "B and C." C inherits the 2 in 3 odds of the money being anywhere in that set.
So if you choose to stick with your first choice always, it's 1 in 3 you win. If you ignore all your info and choose randomly between A and C, it's 1 in 2 that you win. If you choose to always switch it's 2 in 3 that you win.
But if you only have one shot, what's the difference between random and always?
I'm sure that's not right. The odds have changed now that we know the contents (or lack thereof) of one of the boxes.
In your example, I think there is no advantage to be gained or lost by changing your selection from box A to box C.
1)A-E, B-E, C-C
2)A-E, B-C, C-E
3)A-C, B-E, C-E
You select A. In case 1, the person would show you B. In case 2, the person would show you C. In case 3, the person could show you either one, we'll assume C. That leaves us with
1)A-E, C-C
2)A-E, B-C
3)A-C, B-E
You can see that in 2 out of the 3 possibilities, the coin is in the other box. The odds are in your favor to switch.
The two-box pile, but the problem is, you still would have to guess between those two as to which had the prize. By opening the one box, the magician has eliminated that problem.
of them in one pile and one in another pile by itself. Then I tell you can
choose either pile. Which pile do you think has the greater chance of
having the prize?"
If I know that one of the boxes in the two-box pile is empty, it's an equal chance.
Ohio: But that's true even before the magician opens one. They can't both have something in them.
I think JJ's description is the easiest to follow. The coin must be in one of the three boxes to start. After being shown one of the boxes, two of the scenarios favor the switch, and only one doesn't.
BTW, I've seen this referred to as the "Monty Hall" paradox.
4) A-$, C-E
That leaves a 50-50 chance.
If A is empty, the magician has only one choice to demonstrate an empty box. So you have the first two possibilities, (1) C has $, magician shows B and (2) B has $, magician shows C.
If A has the cash, the magician has two choices: show C (your possibility #(3)) or show D (the possibility #(4) that you left out).
Henry Ford was a champion of planned obsolesence.
It does get confusing, because the language is defined in terms of many events but used to describe "the" probability of particular instances. By definition, "the odds are better" means "if you did it again and again and again this way would give you more successes." In any instance, of course, once you fix the money it either is or is not in box C and there are no "odds" about it (or the odds are 1 in 1, to be completely pedantic.)
Right. But I don't see how that means anything in one case. Because the odds of you having chosen the box with the money is always the same.
(Although I don't think anything's different if the magician doesn't know where the money is, opens a box at random, and finds it's empty and you're still in the game.)
Jamie, Indy, JJ, Fielding, Rask - stay away from carnival midways.
Have to go y'all.
4) A-$, C-E
There are only 3 possibilities. Your #4 is the same as #3. There is one coin, three boxes. There are only 3 possibilities of where that coin can be.
Like the three-box example, of COURSE a person who knows where the coin is will be able to remove the 98 empty boxes. By going ahead and doing so, he changes NOTHING.
has the cash when you have no information (Box A - 1/3) and the odds
that Box C has the cash after you know B is empty. "
But when you chose box A, you *knew* that either B or C (if not both) had to be empty. He has a 100% chance of revealing an empty box no matter where the coin is. As such, the odds that coin is in the box that you happened to pick first are still one in three.
But obviously math isn't convincing you. Why don't you empirically try this with a friend, and track the results. It is a very easy experiment to duplicate.
ARE 50-50 that the coin is the box you first chose, as opposed to the
remaining box that you didn't choose. "
But this scenario is the same no matter what box you chose first. So what you are saying is that you have a 50/50 chance of picking the one box with a coin out of 100 boxes, on your very first try.
I think Fielding did.
(Although I don't think anything's different if the magician doesn't know where the money is, opens a box at random, and finds it's empty and you're still in the game.)
Nope. Surprising, this is a different game.
In fact, some of the confusion over the Monte Hall problem is that the standard setup doesn't explicitly state that Monte Hall:
If one makes different assumptions about Monte hall/magician - the probabilities will differ.
I once seriously considered developing a web page to explore some of these issues. The problem is surprisingly rich given how simple it appears to be.
But you've got me scratching my head.
I didn't disagree with you.
same as it being in any ONE box of the other 99. "
Yes, of course. But following the selection process, with your chosen box being exempted from removal, its chances of holding the coin are *still* one in 100, whereas the chances for the other boxes increase due to non-random selection.
I often find that Rask's approach -extending from three to some larger number, helps the light come on, but not always. In those cases where it does not, it usually means that the person isn't distinguishing the "random pick of an empty box" from the "deliberate pick of one of the empty boxes".
I do understand what you are saying. I just don't "get" it. I can't understand how in any one instance it changes, since the odds of you choosing either A or C are the same.
It was also paired with a similar puzzle. You meet a friend you haven't seen for awhile. You ask him if he has any kids. He says "two". You ask their genders. He mischievously says "one of them is a boy, do you wish to bet on the gender of the other child?".
What should you guess as the gender of the other child?
But I am out of ways to explain this. If you doubt, try it yourself with a friend.
1) B-B
2) B-G
3) G-B
4) G-G
Since one of the childen is a boy, that eliminates #4. Of the remaining possibilities, the other child is twice as likely to be a girl.
Unless of course the man is genetically disposed to producing boys, but there was no mention of that in the puzzle.
On second thought, that only works if you know that the first-born child is a boy.
As usual, there is money in one box.
The three boxes are labeled A,B,C
You pick one. Let's say you pick A.
Me: What are the odds that you have the cash in box A?
You: One in three.
Me: Suppose I said you could have boxes B and C. Would you take both of them in exchange for A?
You: I'm not sure. Maybe you would only make that offer if I picked the right box first.
Me: Fair observation. OK, I promise that, no matter whether you initially pick the box with money, or an empty box, I'll make the offer.
You: In that case, I'd prefer B and C to A.
Me: That sounds like a smart choice, as the odds are two in three that the money in in B or C. However, suppose I told you that at least one of B or C is empty.
You: Well, duh [important! If this isn't obvious, ask]
Me: So if I tell you that B or C is empty, you still prefer B and C?
You: Yes, I'd prefer B and C over A.
Me: But, I can tell you than one of those two boxes is empty.
You: I know. One of those two has to be empty, because two of the three are empty.
Me: Suppose I point to B or C, and tell you it is empty. Does that change your answer?
You: No, I know you can do that. The odds are two in three that it is either B or C. I'm sure that (at least) one of those two is empty, so I'm not surprised that you can point to one of them and tell me it is empty.
Me: I go even further. I'll not just point to one of them, I'll open one of them. Does that change your answer?
You: No. If I know that one of them is empty and you can point to it, opening it doesn't change the probability.
Me: Finally, if you choose B and C, and I then open one of them and show you it is empty, you won't get the empty one, only the other one.
You: I can live with that, it still has a 2/3 chance of being the one with money.
Me: Do you see that this is now identical to the stated situation? You Pick A. I open one of B or C and ask if you want to trade?
You" (Hopefully) Yes! Now I do.
My attempt is to walk through it with intermediate steps to show that accepting the trade is equivalent to getting what is in either B or C, which has probability 2 in 3 of containing the cash.
That's a great explanation. I now understand why it is clear to everyone else. I am not sure, however, that once he opened one up I would take the other.
You are wrong, but that doesn't mean you are wrong (does that get your head spinning?)
My guess is that you are implicitly making an assumption that turens out to be incorrect. I'd urge you to read my two posts. I probably should have numbered the steps.
I trust you will agree with the first step, but disagree with the last (unless it turns on the light). If you can identify where you switch from agreement to disagreement, we can focus on the "problem".
The magician (more like a barker, but in the original problem he's called a magician) offers you a bet: You pay $300 and pick one of three boxes, A, B and C. One of the three has $1000 in it. Assuming that the game is fair, and that you have 100% confidence that the game is fair, that's a good bet since your expected average return is $333.33. So you pay the magician $300 and pick box A.
But before opening box A, the magician says "Let me show you something" and shows you box B is empty. Now, the magician says, "If you pay me another $100, I'll let you switch your choice to box C."
If I understand Jamie et al correctly, they would pay the $100 and switch. I think they would be world-class suckers to do so. They would then be paying $400 for a $333.33 expected return.
To put it another way, after the magician removes box B I would not make a side bet that the money was in box A unless I got at least 2 to 1 odds.
The Malevolent Magician—you pick one of the boxes. The Magician knows whether it contains money. The Malevolent Magician will open one of the other two boxes and offer to trade only if your original pick is the box with money. The Malevolent Magician hopes you will switch. If you have the Malevolent Magician, and he offers you the switch, say no, because you are certain to have the money in your selected box.
The Benevolent Magician—you pick one of the boxes. The Benevolent Magician will open on e of the other two boxes only if you start with the empty box. If you have the Benevolent Magician, and you are asked if you want to switch say yes, because the odds are 100% that you will get the money. If the benevolent Magician doesn't ask, then don't switch, and you have 100% odds of getting the money.
Of course, you can't tell the Benevolent Magician from the malevolent Magician by looking at him. Oh well.
But the Magician in the puzzle is neither the Benevolent nor the Malevolent one. The one in the puzzle will open an empty box no matter which box you choose.
To put it in the terms I just outlined, are you assuming that the barker is Malevolent? A fair assumption at a fair (so to speak). I wouldn't switch in the situation you outlined, because I assume that the barker will try to get me to switch if he knows my initial choice was the box with money.
1. Setup: Three boxes, labeled A, B, C. Precisely one has $1000 in it. Two are empty. The Magician agrees that, no matter which box you choose, he will open one of the other two boxes, and ask if you want to switch.
2. You pay $300 and pick A. If you keep A, the odds are 1/3 that you get the money, because there is a 1/3 change it is in A, 1/3 in B and 1/3 in C
3. Restating above the odds are 1/3 that it is in A, and 2/3 that it is in B or C
4. If asked "Is A empty", your correct answer is "I don't know. It could be empty or not.
5. If asked "Is B empty", your correct answer is "I don't know. It could be empty or not.
6. If asked "Is C empty", your correct answer is "I don't know. It could be empty or not.
7. If asked, "Is one of B or C empty", you can now say, "at least one of them is empty"
8. The magician asks, "Do you agree that, of the two boxes, B and C, at least one of them must be empty?. You answer, "yes"
9. The magician says he will flip a coin to choose whether to open B or C. Is it certain that the opened box will be empty. You answer, "No, it is not certain. The money might be in B or C, so flipping a coin to choose which box to open might open a box with money in it.
10. Note: The odds are still A 1/3 BC 2/3
11. The magician asks, "If I get to look in B and C, without letting you see, will I be able to identify one of the two boxes as empty? You respond, of course. Does this change the odds from A 1/3 BC 2/3? The correct answer is NO.
12. The magician says, for an extra $100, would you want both B and C? Your answer should be yes.
13. The magician peers in box B, and box C. Then says, would you still pay $100 to have both B and C. Your answer should be yes.
14. The magician peers in box B, and box C, and declares "at least one of these is empty" You respond, "I know". Then says, would you still pay $100 to have both B and C. Your answer should be yes.
15. The magician peers in box B, and box C, and declares "at least one of these is empty" and opens one of them. Then says, would you still pay $100 to have both B and C. Your answer should be yes.
16. The magician peers in box B, and box C, and declares "at least one of these is empty" and opens one of them. Then says, would you still pay $100 to have the one I haven't opened. Your answer should be yes.
I think it is math run amok, I really do.
Why?
Until step 15, I would of course pay the extra $100 to get B+C; but once I've actually seen one of B or C empty, I wouldn't want to.
But since it is inevitable that the magician will be able to do this, I can't put my finger on why picking the "survivor" would be different from picking B+C unopened in the first place, which of course would have been twice as good as picking A in the first place. But even though I can't figure out why, my answer in step 15 would be a definite No.
Once you've identified one so that the other is the "other child", isn't the odds of the "other child" being a boy or girl going to be 50-50?
No.
Actually, I think this problem is harder to grok than the three doors or three boxes problem.
Yes, this is how I see it, too.
I'm not sure whether this will shed light or confusion, but if the person say, I have two kids, and the older one is a boy, the odds are 50/50 that the other is a boy.
I mention this because it relates to your concept of identifying one. In my example I identified one, by referring to the older one. (It would work the same if I said younger, or taller, or smarter.). But my identification of one is different that your identification, (in ways I can't exactly put my finger on, but I know its different.)
Well, on the one hand, this is progress, because you've identified a step where you think things change. OTOH, we have a problem, because if I try to tell you things haven't changed, you'll say that you already agree that you don't see a difference.
But I should be working on a paper, so I'll leave it for now, and maybe later I will look into whether I can expand the steps or explain them better.
50-50, right? Unless there's a way to construe "the other one" that does not mean one identified coin.
No, I think both Ohio and I get the steps. I found them very helpful.
Dusty's elaboration in 7807-08 comes at it from the other direction: the odds that the "winning box" is among the two I DIDN'T pick are double the odds that it's the one I picked (2/3), and the fact that the magician inevitably will be able to find an empty box among the two I didn't choose, and take it away, doesn't change anything.
I think I'll go watch basketball. That only involves counting by small numbers.
50-50, right? Unless there's a way to construe "the other one" that does not mean one identified coin."
I may have goofed in the telling. I should have said "at least one of the children is a boy", to avoid this sort of confusion.
Count the number of heads on the table. Add the number of times "turn" is said. Add the number of heads on the table once turning has stopped.
If the sum is even, the coin under the thumb is a tail. If the sum is odd, the coin is a head.
Do you know of a reasonable resolution thereto?
I've thought of a couple, and have seen some similar ones -- but they're all very lame.
Answers to lyric quiz:
16) I remember when you were down
you would always come running to me
I never denied you and I would guide
you through all of your difficulties
-- Kinks, Catch Me Now I'm Falling (Captain America Calling)
17) Anyone can see the road that they walk on is paved in gold
It’s always summer they’ll never grow cold
Never get hungry, never get old and gray
The Way, Fastball. JJ got it.
187+ )Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me
I ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed
She was lookin’ kind of dumb with her finger and her thumb
in the shape of an “L” on her forehead
A couple of people got this. It's Smashmouth, All-Star
19) Your face is jammin’
your body’s heck-a-slammin’
if love is good
let’s get to rammin’
Prince, U Got The Look
20) Something in the moonlight catches my eye
the shadow of a lover goes dancing by
lookin for a little bit of love to grow
so give me love, give me heart and soul
Heart & Soul, T'Pau. I think CO got the song and band, but not the lyric.
21) Mirror mirror on the wall
Tell me mirror what is wrong?
Can it be by de la clothes
or is it just my de la soul?
De La Soul, Me Myself & I
22) Just like the light of a new day
It hit me from out of the blue
Breaking me out of the spell I was in
Making all of my wishes come true.
Joey Scarbury, Believe it or Not. I think CO got this one first, but a couple of people got it.
23) I heard you on my wireless back in ’52
lying awake intent on tuning in on you
If I was young it didn’t stop you coming through
Video Killed the Radio Star, Buggles. JJ.
24)The boy said, “My name’s Johnny and it might be a sin
But I’ll take your bet and you’re gonna regret
Because I’m the best there’s ever been.
Devil went down to Georgia, Charlie Daniels. Indy got it.
What makes you think you’re special when you smile?
Hey Bulldog, Beatles. Fielding got the song, but never completed the lyric.
26) I, I wish you could swim
Like dolphins, like dolphins can swim
No nothing, nothing can keep us together
we can beat them forever and ever
Heroes, Bowie. CO got it, I think. No, I didn't miss a lyric. But I'm listening to the Wallflowers' cover; maybe Bowie sneaks in another lyric that the Wallflowers cut out.
27) I knew you’d love me as long as you wanted
and then someday you’d leave me for somebody knew
worry why do I let myself worry
wonderin’ what in the while did I do
Patsy Cline, Crazy. IJ got it. Obviously, that last lyric isn't quite right, but it sure sounds like she's singing that.
28) He man drag in a glittering ballroom
Greatly outrageous in my high-heeled shoes
Who, 5:15. JJ got this, I think, but not the lyric.
29) This monkey can’t stand to see you black & blue
I give you something sweet
each time you come inside my Jungle Book
Well is it just too good?
Don’t say you’ll stay because then you’ll go away
Sophie B. Hawkins, Damn! I Wish I was Your Lover. No one got this.
30)Just because the record has a groove don’t make in the groove
You can tell right away it’s got to play when people start to move
Stevie Wonder, Sir Duke. No one got it.
31) Well she was an American girl
raised on promises
She couldn’t help thinkin’ that death
was a little more life somewhere else
after all it was a great big world
with lots of places to run to
yet if she had to die try-in’
she had one little promise she was gonna keep
Petty, American Girl. CO got the song. No one got the lyric.
Jamie, JJ, Rask, Indy, Fielding, and Dusty - right
Me - wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
Dusty's explanation, and some reading I did this morning on the "Monty Hall problem", persuaded me.
Suppose after you pick A, the magician asks if you want to switch to B OR C. Of course, there's no reason to switch.
He asks if you want to switch to the B + C group, of course the answer's yes. But what if the condition is you have to pick one of the B + C group; now there's no reason to switch anymore. But if your choice among the two in the B + C group is made easier by discarding one box that is definitely not the winner, then yes you want the B + C group.
But I see how my initial take on the problem in Message # 7736 was wrong: I was wrong to say we gain no information from seeing an empty box - to the contrary, we gain information that helps us pick between B and C, the rivals to A.
If you watch someone flip a light switch several times, you know what position it will wind up in. Looking at the initial table set up is equivalent to watching the person flip the switch once for every heads.
The part in which the coins are flipped without your looking still works the same way, because either a head is being turned to a tail (meaning you have to "undo" one of the previous flips of the switch, which is the same as flipping it) or a tail is being turned to a head (meaning the switch is being flipped once more).
Then looking at the rest of the coins is again like watching the switch being flipped once for every head. So the problem is akin to flipping a switch several times in front of someone, then putting your hand over the switch for one second, and then revealing the switch and asking, "While your back was turned, did I flip the switch or not?"
In Snowowl's solution, "odd" is equivalent to having the switch on, and "even" to having the switch off.
Success!!!!!
I confess I was a bit worried. I agreed with every word in Message # 7822, but that message sounded like evidence you should switch.
Glad to see that yuo see it.
Although the Syracuse message was cruel :)
I will add that your formulation - pay $300 for chance at $1000, then possible extra $100 to switch is an improvement to the puzzle. For those that think the odds become 50/50, it doesn't matter whether you switch or not, and your approach means they have a financial incentive to do it right.
The two envelopes problem is a classic. I spent some time on it with my son earlier this week.
I would prefer that you hold off posting it. My reasons are entirely selfish. I am badly behind; shouldn't even be posting here this minute. I have a 10,000 word paper due tomorrow - a long way from done. I have a presentation on Securitization to give in Las Vegas Monday. I promised to write an article for the European-American Journal of something or other, and they want that on the seventh (yes, yesterday), and I have another column due soon.
I would love to talk about the two envelope problem, but I cannot justify it until the end of next week at the earliest.
Unfortunately, I was the only one to be correct. Small consolation.
Dusty,
I don't believe your answer. I heard this riddle a long time ago, and I disagreed then as I disagree now.
Monty Hall opens box C, revealing no prize. You say this means that there is now a 66% chance that the prize is in B (the unopened box I did not pick).
Why does the 33% from C magically jump into Box B? Why doesn't it jump into Box A (the box I picked)?
It doesn't "jump" anywhere. When Box C is opened, there is now a 50% chance of the prize being in A, and a 50% chance of it being in B.
Another way to think of it:
The mistake comes when you assume that, because I eliminate Box C, that means the odds of the prize being in Box B must continue adding up to 100% - [Chance of prize being in Box A], or 66.6%.
In other words, the initial odds are one in three for each box. Once I open C and show no prize, you think I have to increase the numerator in B's chances, up to 2 in 3. That way, the odds still add up to 3 out of three (one in three for A, two in three for B).
But that's silly.
You don't increase B's numerator. You simply decrease A and B's denominator. So, after you open Box C, there is a 1 in 2 chance of the prize being in A, and a 1 in 2 chance of the prize bein in B.
It's that simple.
That being the case, there is still just a one in three chance that the box you first chose is going to contain the coin. 
1) He knows where the coin is.
2) He only opens one of the two boxes you *don't* select.
3) He only opens an empty box. If only one of the two remaining boxes are empty, that is the one he opens.
4) If both remaining boxes are empty, he selects one of them randomly to be opened. (He can always flip a coin after you select, ignoring the result if only one box is empty, but using the result if the both boxes are empty).
Dusty is right, in that a lot of the confusion about this puzzle lies in not specifying the rules for the magician clearly.
I know all that.
"That being the case, there is still just a one in three chance that the box you first chose is going to contain the coin."
Why do you insist on keeping the odds of MY box containing the coin static (always one in three), while you gleefully up the odds of the coin being in the other box?
If the odds can change due to changes in the game -- such as boxes being discarded -- why do insist on attributing all those changes to the box I didn't pick, rather than divvy the odds-changes up between ALL boxes?
I have three. I ask you to pick the one with the coin.
You pick one. You don't open it.
I open an empty box. I ask you if you'd like to change your pick.
You claim that the unopened box you didn't pick now has a 66% chance of containing the coin. Well, how on earth did that happen? Well, you say, now that I have opened one empty box, the odds of the coin being in box B "inherit" all of Box C's odds of containing the coin.
Why is it that only Box B magically inherits this 33%? The only difference between Box A and Box B is that I have my hand on Box A; do the Probability Gods know which box I have my hand on?
Why should they "prefer" Box B to Box A?
A: They don't. Opening one box changes the game. It is no longer a one in three game; it is a one in two game. But the odds do not remain static for one box while dynamically reflecting the new game for the other box. The odds for both boxes change: The odds are now 1 in 2 for either.
This is a simple problem, which people have erroneously turned into a "difficult" one. "Authorities" are cited to "prove" that the counterintuitive answer is correct.
It is not correct.
The simple answer is correct in this case.
Suppose there were 1,000 pistols lying on a table, 999 of them loaded and one not. You are forced to pick one to put to your head and pull the trigger.
You pick one (#777) but before you pull the trigger, the person who loaded the guns comes along and says, "Wait, let me show you something."
He then opens all the cylinders for the remaining pistols except for pistol #483 and shows you that they're all empty. Would you still think the same way about the relative probability of #777 and #483 having a bullet in it?
Indy:
Yes.
It is now a two-pistol game. Odds are 50/50.
It doesn't matter what the game was. That game is over. It was a 1 in 1000 game; it is, now, a 1 in 2 game.
Because the opened box is not selected randomly (and it won't be if the coin is under one of the two unselected boxes). This is the key. If the magician randomly selected an empty box, and included your selected box in the pool, *then* there would be a 50/50 chance for each box in the second round.
Here is another way of thinking of it, using an example from evolutionary biology. Imagine there 100 sheep, 50% of whom are white, and 50% are black. The sheep are randomly put into two groups. You are asked to choose one group, in which the sheep are not slaughtered. In the other group, 20 white sheep are slaughtered.
Now, what is the probability that a randomly selected sheep from each group will be black?
This is essentially the same as the Monty Hall puzzle, except that we have a larger sample size, a different initial distribution (1 in 2 chance of being white instead of a 1 in 3 chance of containing a coin), and a magician who is removing empty boxes from the unselected group instead of slaughtering sheep.
I can't articulate it, but I think the fact that the removal of an empty box B or C is not random is why the Jamie-Indy-JJ-Rask-Fielding-Dusty solution (you double your chances by switching from A to the "survivor" of B and C) is correct.
The selection of is non-random, which is why the probabilities don't stay equal.
Or try this at home. I have to point out that Indy's gun experiment is also easy to duplicate at home.
Ohio,
I've heard all that before. I heard this puzzle five years ago, from a friend who was interviewing with consulting firms (it was the hot puzzle back then, apparently).
I've read mathematicians arguing about it (you can look it up on the web; there are long, long arguments about it).
People claim that there are Monte Carlo experiments that prove the "accepted" answer; but then, no one ever seems to link to these experiments.
I think . . .
Hell, I don't know.
"But Ace, don't you recognize that a person who knows where the bullet is can *always* find 998 guns that have empty chambers, no matter which gun you initially choose?"
Yes, I recognize that. I will continue recognizing it. There is no need to keep assaulting me with information I already know.
What can I say? I agree with Ohio's old position. When I came in here last night and saw him concede, I nearly screamed at him to remain stalwart; but I was tired, so I didn't bother.
to keep assaulting me with information I already know. "
But if he can always open 998 empty guns, no matter what gun you initially choose, why do you seem to think that the 1 gun you chose out of 1000 has a 1 in 2 chance of containing a bullet?
Let's work the game backwards.
let's say I have two boxes. One contains one thousand dollars; one contains a pile of dogshit.
I put my hand on one. Let's call it "Box A."
Now, Monty Haul adds 98 MORE BOXES -- all empty. He mixes up the box I didn't pick ("Box B") into the 98 other empty boxes.
He now asks me: "Do you want to switch your box, or not?"
Well! I would say "No thank you sir!" Because I would still have a 50% chance of holding the right box. If I pick any of the other boxes at random, then my odds drop down to 1 in 100.
Even were he to offer me $100 to pick from the other boxes, I wouldn't do it, since the expected value of the box I hold is $500.
"Monty Hall opens box C, revealing no prize. You say this means that there is now a 66% chance that the prize is in B (the unopened box I did not pick).
Why does the 33% from C magically jump into Box B? Why doesn't it jump into Box A (the box I picked)?
It doesn't "jump" anywhere. When Box C is opened, there is now a 50% chance of the prize being in A, and a 50% chance of it being in B."
The problem with your analysis is that Monty opening box "C" is not a random event. Monty will never open the box with the money in it. The odds only change if the event is random. What Monty is doing is giving you more information.
And, therefore, since my initial chance of being right remains constant when I *add* empty boxes, it seems that my initial chance of being right should likewise remain constant when I *subtract* empty boxes as well.
when I *add* empty boxes, it seems that my initial chance of being
right should likewise remain constant when I *subtract* empty boxes
as well. "
Exactly! And your initial chance of being right in the Monty Haul puzzle is one in three.
Rask,
I always *did* get it, in the sense that I heard the "answer" and understood it. I just disagreed.
You're terribly annoying. I feel sorry for your wife.
Ohio will choose a number from 1 to 3. You try to guess the number. After you guess, Ohio will announce one of the two remaining numbers as wrong and say which one it is. I'm forced to take the third number as my guess.
Each time you guess correctly, I owe you $5. Each time my number is correct, you owe me $5.
Does that sound like a fair game?
Ohio will deliberately screw me. He's a liberal and a liar.
understood it. I just disagreed. "
And you wonder why I consider you almost impervious to logical argument.
Don't blame the messenger.
The messenger is a tedious fool.
"Does that sound like a fair game?"
To be honest, one must be very suspicious of intuition when dealing with probability.
One must also be very suspicious of mathematics, because slip-ups -- completely inobvious slip-ups -- lead to absurd conclusions.
Would anything be gained by actually playing the game 30 or so times?
Ace: Let's assume we play it 30 times and you pick #1 every single time. By probability it will come up 10 times, so you'll win 1/3 of the time. What happens the other times?
2 comes up 10 times. Ohio says 3 is wrong, so I get 2.
3 comes up 10 times. Ohio says 2 is wrong so I get 3.
I win 20 times. (On the times you won, Ohio just chooses randomly which he will announce as wrong, since both 2 and 3 are wrong.)
On the off chance someone might find it helpful here is the derivation of the answer, and the formula used to get it, from very first principles; mostly all you need to know is simple algebra. Really thinking about the formula directly used to obtain the answer (Bayes's theorem) can actually highlight the intuition, if you think about it and don't just view it as some mechanical formula. The symbols are just shorthand; always think instead of what they represent.
The problem is fundamentally about the probability of one thing, given some other thing. Well the Probability of A given B is: Probability of A AND B, divided by the probability of B. Example: Probability a car is red given that it's a sports car is (number of red sports cars)/(number of sports cars). Divide the top and bottom by (total number of cars) and you have the definition given. For short, write "probability of A given B" as P(A|B).
Since P(A|B) = P(A and B)/P(B), and P(B|A) = P(B and A)/P(A), rearrange P(B|A) to get P(B and A) = P(B|A)P(A). But P(A and B) is the exact same thing as P(B and A), so substituting into P(A|B) we have P(A|B) = [P(B|A)P(A)]/P(B).
Now P(B) itself is just P(B|A)P(A) + P(B|not A)P(not A). This is just Prob. of A and B, plus the probability of something else besides A and B, which self evidently is just the probability of B.
P($A|Sh B) = [P(Sh B|$A)P($A)]/[P(Sh B|$A)P($A) + P(Sh B|$ not A)P($ not A)]
(That's just: probability the money's behind A, given that you're shown B, etc...)
For the Monty Hall game, the left hand side is: the probability the money's behind A given that you're shown B. In the game P(A) = P(B) = P(C) = 1/3, the probability before you choose that the money's behind any one door. On the right hand side "$ not A" is the same as C, because that's the only other possibility besides A, given that you're shown B.
P(B|A) = 1/2 -- the probability you're shown B given that the money's behind A.
P(B|C) = 1 -- the probability that you're shown B given that the money's behind C.
Then cancelling 1/3's on the top and bottom of the right hand side, P(A|B) = .5/(.5 + 1) = 1/3.
voila.
(Since Dusty tried long intuitive explanations, and the extention to 100 doors didn't fly, it seemed that the actual math couldn't hurt.)
an archer hits a target with either probability 1/2 or probability 2/3, depending on whether he's high while shooting (if so then 1/2 is his chance of hitting on each shot). He shoots 300 times and hits the target 175 times. What is the probability that he's high?
(Presumably, if he's high, you expect about 150 hits; if not, you expect about 200 hits.)
A carnival worker offers you the chance to play a coin-flipping game, where you get the following exponential pay-off for each head that you get in a row. Any time you get a tail, the game ends, and you get any winnings you have earned.
For the first head, you get $2. For the second, you get $4. For the 3rd, $8, For the 4th, $16, etc.
Assuming you are risk neutral, and that there is no limit to the payoff, the question is, how much would you be willing to pay to play the game?
See, this shit hurts my head and it's frustrating, because I stopped studying for the GMAT because I can't understand it.
x = y / z can be rearranged as xz = y.
One coin toss: EV = $1
Two: EV = $1
Three: EV = $1
etc.
You should not pay more than a dollar to play the game.
the carnival game rask mentioned is called the St. Petersburg paradox, and was discussed by some Bernoulli or other very early in the histor of probability. It was what first led to the formalization of risk aversion.
You're calculating wrong, Jamie. You're adding $2 to $4 to get six then dividing by four.
But rask said: You'd get $4 for your second successful toss, not $6.
EV of second toss = (chance of making it to the second toss, and winning that toss, or .25) x (payoff, or $4.00) = $1.00
EV of third toss (chance of making it to the third toss, and winning that toss, or 0.125) x (total payoff for third toss, or $8.00)
It goes like this indefinitely.
the EV of the millionth toss will be (1/n to the millionth power) X (n to the millionth power), better known as n to the millionth divided by n to the millionth, better known as $1.
Slack is right, and that is where the paradox lies. You are theoretically willing to risk infinity for something that you have a 50% chance of getting no return (tails on the first flip).
What was interesting to me, however, is how much the bet changes once you start putting realistic thresholds on the pay-off. According to some calculations I did in my head on the way to work this morning, if the maximum pay-off is the entire annual GDP of the planet, you shouldn't pay more than around $43 to play the game.
I don't see how that follows. EV describes an average over many trials. If I had an infinite amount of capital to eat up in trial after trial, I'd play with no paradoxical feeling at all. (Except the paradox inherent in having an infinite quantity to begin with, of course.)
Does marginal utility ever factor into this stuff? For instance, the benefit to me of $1 trillion in preference to $1 million, isn't 100,000x.
Okay, I see.
I think my calculation would have worked IF the game took away all winnings on a tail, yes?
But in the given game, we keep what we've won up that point.
winnings on a tail, yes? "
Not sure, but it would have been right if you only got the winnings from your *last* successful toss.
"Does marginal utility ever factor into this stuff? For instance, the benefit to me of $1 trillion in preference to $1 million, isn't 100,000x."
Not in purely mathematical terms, because that's subjective. You need a human being to arbitrarily assign this variable a number.
You can construct a formula which includes a marginal utility function, so it'll be completely mathematical in that sense. But the mathematician is going to have to make a mathematically-improvable assumption about how that function operates.
yes, in fact that is exactly the same idea behind risk aversion. The utility function curves as in diminishing marginal utility.
EV, and more to the point probability, does not have to describe many trials or long run frequency. In fact it really shouldn't though that is the most common notion. You can also think of probability as willingness to bet.
That almost makes sense, but in any one instance, how does that work?
improvable = unprovable
Cal,
EV is just your chance of winning times the payoff.
If we flip a coin once, $10 for a head, the expected value of the coin toss is $5 -- 1/2 times $10.
If a lottery will pay out $1 million, but there's only a 1 in ten million chance of winning, the EV is 10 cents, or 1/(10 million) times 1 million.
That's the definition of a bad bet -- when the EV is less than the cost of playing. Which is the case in all lotteries.
yes
And marginal utility works the other way too, because $1 isn't "really" worth $1. It's worth bubkiss, so people don't mind plunking down a buck for EV 50 cents lottery ticket.
I mean, rationally, I know that $1 is worth more than a lottery ticket. But I still pick lottery tickets up a couple of times a year.
Here's a game. Flip a coin. Heads mean you win $2, then every subsequent heads means you double your winnings.
10 coin flips total.
Any tail means you lose all winnings.
Now, the EV of *this* game is $1, right?
Ten heads = 1/2 to the tenth probability
payout = 2 to the tenth
EV = $1
Correct?
I agree, and I think it's a neat problem. But if I were to use it in a class, the moral would be: be very careful using the language of probability. Expected value is a technical term. It doesn't mean what you should "expect" to get in any one instance (which implies in casual language that you should be surprised if you don't in fact get it.)
JR,
"Expected value" is what you can expect to NEVER get, in most cases.
EV is just a weighted average of winning scenarios and losing scenarios.
But you almost never get that EV. You either win or lose. You either get $2 or $0; you never get $1. But $1 is the expected value of a two dollars you win, zero you lose coin flip.
It comes from, as you hinted, the expected value of some very large number of trials.
If I ran a thousand trials of the head=$2 tails = $0 game, I would expect to win somewhere in the vicinity of $1000. Which would mean that each game, on average, carried an EV of $1.
But you don't actually need to run all those trials to calculate EV.
There is obviously, then, a ranking of infinities. Ask any six year old.
Ten heads = 1/2 to the tenth probability
payout = 2 to the tenth
It sounds from your description like you make more than 210 when there are 10 heads in a row. That's your payoff from the 10th head, but it sounds like you get to keep everything before that. If not then yes EV = $1.
Are there more numbers between [0,1] than there are positive integers? That's the sense in which there are multiple infinities.
It's about 40% more likely that he's high. Consider any one sequence of 175 hits and 125 misses -- if he's high this has probability (1/2)175(1/2)125; if he's not high this has probability (2/3)175(1/3)125.
Divide these: the ratio is [1/(2300)]/[(2175)/(3300)] = (3300)/(2475) = 1.403229. The probability that 1/2 is his probability of hitting the target is 1.4 times the probability that it's 2/3.
When my mathematician room-mate in Grad School told me this, I punched him. It took me 26 years to wrap my head around infinity, and I was damned if he was going to muddle it up again.
HAHAHAHAHA
Interesting choice of analogy. Here's an excerpt from a prize winning paper intended to illustrate the concept of Bayesian credibility (not surprisingly, this is linked to Bayes theorem.)
CREDIBILITY AND MARKSMANSHIP
“And now for something completely different.”
-Monty Python
In this section an example will be presented, somewhat removed from the world of insurance, but one that I hope will give an insight into credibility. Consider the following situation. One of four people-A, B, C and D-will be chosen at random. The person chosen, whose identity will be unknown to you, will fire a gun at a target some distance away. Your task is to provide the best
estimate of the location on the target which will be hit by his next shot after observing the location of the shot.
cantaloupe
(Drag cursor above to see.)
a) What do the following phrases have in common?
b) Identify each.
1. Because the asphalt would chafe.
2. Sure, it's easy; just put your arms around me and sway back and forth a little in time to the music.
3. None of the above. Cheer him up, be quiet, don't say a word about love, and hide how you feel.
4. No, there's more.
5. No, I prefer hardcovers.
6. Sure, but that won't help unless you can persuade all the impostors to remain seated.
7. Non, je suis réveillé.
8. I guess you ought to go, since it'll only cause half as much trouble.
9. Actually, since it's inside the Smithsonian, it doesn't really wave anymore.
10. Maybe someone who wanted to help them escape from Cruella De Vil.
I would guess they're all movie lines. Perhaps lines that occur in war movies. But I am so stumped it's silly.
Silly.
It's a bit more indirect than that.
(BTW, I take it you didn't try #7485 at all?)
9. "Oh say does that star spangled banner still wave . . . ?"
5. "Dear Sir or Madam, will you read my book?" (The Beatles, Paperback Writer)
7 - Frere Jacques, Frere Jacques, dormez-vous?
2 might be "Do You Wanna Dance?"
3. "Should I bring him down, should I scream and shout, should I speak of love, let my feelings out?" ("I Don't Know How to Love Him", Jesus Christ Superstar)
6) "Will the Real Slim Shady Please Stand up?"
Good puzzle.
Stumbo,
I've got two of the three. I don't recognize number one, but at this moment I am running down the list of possibilities to give it a name.
I would guess that #3 is the theme of a 1980's French thriller about a man who sells bootleg recordings of a famous operatist.
Correct on 3. 2 is slightly more specific; perhaps it might help to insert "you" in front of "just."
Ace:
Heh. Good guesses, both.
(I posted the answers in #7519.)
Stumbo,
Never in my wildest imaginings did I expect "Stumbo" to be the name of a song.
Stumbo,
Never in my wildest imaginings did I expect "Stumbo" to be the name of a song.
... and perhaps replace "a little" with "very, very softly."
(If JJBiener were here, he'd know!)
Here's a slightly longer clip.
Add in the hint from #7972.
2) For each celebrity, explain why they're on the list.
Jeanie Shrimpton
Joe Piscopo
Bela Lugosi
Jerry Lewis
Greta Garbo
Yul Brenner
Lucy Liu
Steve Reeves
Troy Donahue
Lenny Bruce
Michael J. Fox
Chasey Lain
Jeannie Shrimpton, Behind a Wall of Sleep
Lenny Bruce, Its the End of the World as we Know it (and I Feel Fine)
Michael J. Fox, Elvis is Everywhere
Greta Garbo, Celluloid Heroes
Steve Reeves, Sweet Transvestite
Joe Piscopo is mentioned in "You're Jamming Me" by Tom Petty.
(The other theory was: spokespeople for various ailments. Lewis, muscular dystrophy; Reeves, spinal-cord injuries; Brenner, "Just don't smoke"; Fox, Parkinson's; etc.)
It's from a lengthy pop song the lyrics of which have been analysed to death (probably more so than any other's).
(...and
can you teach me
how to dance
real slooowwww...)
Stumbo,
To answer a question you asked some time ago, I don't have any reasonable resolution to the 2 envelopes paradox. I'd be interested to see what you have.
Snow:
I have the usual crap: there's a lower limit on amounts that can be expressed in actually-minted currency; and, conversely, there's an upper limit on amounts that could be redeemable, on planet Earth.
But the paradox seems, to me, to be too theoretically/psychologically valid to be derailed by mere practical considerations. Some key piece of insight must still be lacking.
(And it's not enough to say that the probability space isn't well-defined. So what? That doesn't identify an actual flaw, so it doesn't change the psychological impact.)
You got my quiz. I was actually thinking of Bette Davis Eyes for Greta Garbo. I knew Celluloid Heroes mentioned a few celebrities, but I couldn't remember which ones, apart from "Marilyn" (no last name, so I didn't want to use it).
"Troy Donahue" is mentioned in Look at Me, I'm Sandra Dee.
1) What do these bands have in common?
2) What, specifically, puts each of these bands on the list?
Presidents of the United States of America
The Kinks
Will Smith
Blue Oyster Cult
Black Sabbath
Prince
The Ramones
Donovan
Queen
Crash Test Dummies
Manowar
REM
Jimmy Buffet
Ooops. Ignore that last list. I left a couple off. THIS is the list.
1) What do these bands have in common?
2) What, specifically, puts each of these bands on the list?
Everclear
The Kinks
Will Smith
Presidents of the United States of America
Blue Oyster Cult
Black Sabbath
Prince
The Ramones
Donovan
Queen
Crash Test Dummies
Manowar
REM
Jimmy Buffet
Spin Doctors
The REM song that Ace mentions (The End Of The World As We Know It (and I feel fine)) mentions several celebrities. Each has the same intials (Lester Bangs, Lenny Bruce, Leonid Brezhnev, Leonard Bernstein).
What the fuck?!! Why do they pick four somewhat obscure dead celebrities that have nothing in common except their initials? Does anybody have a clue?
Lester Bangs was not dead at the time the song was written (I'm pretty darn sure).
I don't why they picked those people.
Just bumping this thread to the top. Check out my quiz three posts above.
Still no takers?
Leonard Bernstein died in 1990, BTW.
Oh. Perhaps I confused him with the lead singer from the Dead Boys.
Lester Bangs-- RS writer, yes?
Aren't you going to try my quiz? You nailed the last one.
RS or Cream.
Oh. How interesting.
Stealth is my friend.
Would Jim Carroll belong on your list?
If not, I don't know the answer. :)
repost...
1) What do these bands have in common?
2) What, specifically, puts each of these bands on the list?
Everclear
The Kinks
Will Smith
Presidents of the United States of America
Blue Oyster Cult
Black Sabbath
Prince
The Ramones
Donovan
Queen
Crash Test Dummies
Manowar
REM
Jimmy Buffet
Spin Doctors
Would Jim Carroll belong on your list?
I don't know. It has nothing to do with dead people, or drug-takers, or dudes that sell themselves for gay sex.
|Oh, re: my last quiz:
Jerry Lewis is mentioned by the Beastie Boys in Hold it Now Hit it! Lucy Liu is mentioned in Destiny Child's Independent Woman Part 1 (the lead single from Charlie's Angels).
Then he wasn't dead when the song was released, which was 1987.
I have no idea what those bands have in common.
All right. A hint is in order.
The bands don't have anything in common. Rather, they all perform songs with something in common.
I'll guess that each artist has a song, lyrics or album title containing a reference to a comic book superhero (or at least the name of one). For example:
Kinks - Superman
Blue Oyster Cult - Godzilla? (well, maybe that's not it)
Black Sabbath - Iron Man
Donovan - Superman and Green Lantern ("Sunshine Superman")
Spin Doctors - album, "Kryptonite In My Pocket"
and maybe the band who does the recent song with the lyric ". . . you can call me Superman" is on Ace's list too.
Maybe, Ohio. Maybe.
The Kinks don't do a "Superman" song I am aware of, though.
And the Spin Doctors have a *song* that actually mentions a comic book character.
Hah. Yeah, they all use drums. Guitars, too.
No, Ohio has the general theme.
Okay, I guess they do a Superman song. They also do a Captain America song.
"Godzilla" was the BOC song I was thinking of. Sort of a reach, but then, Godzilla was in fact a Marvel Comics character for long stretches of time in the 70's.
Wow. The Kinks like comic book heroes almost as much as I do.
Buffett - Captain America
1) What do these bands have in common?
2) What, specifically, puts each of these bands on the list?
Everclear -- ?
The Kinks -- Superman, Captain America Calling
Will Smith -- ?
Presidents of the United States of America -- ?
Blue Oyster Cult -- Godzilla
Black Sabbath -- Iron man
Prince -- ?
The Ramones -- ?
Donovan -- Sunshine Superman ("Superman and Green Lantern...")
Queen -- ?
Crash Test Dummies -- ?
Manowar -- ?
REM -- ?
Jimmy Buffet -- ?
Spin Doctors -- ?
Seadate, Correct.
Then the answer to the Ramones is "I Wanna Be Seadated".
The Kinks -- Superman, Captain America Calling-- OHIO
Will Smith -- ?
Presidents of the United States of America -- ?
Blue Oyster Cult -- Godzilla -- OHIO
Black Sabbath -- Iron man -- OHIO
Prince -- ?
The Ramones -- ?
Donovan -- Sunshine Superman ("Superman and Green Lantern...") -- OHIO
Queen -- Flash Gordon -- SEADATE
Crash Test Dummies -- ?
Manowar -- ?
REM -- ?
Jimmy Buffet -- Captain America -- SEADATE
Spin Doctors -- ?
Methinks the Mote is onto something.
Oh yeah, PUSA also did a song about Speed Racer, or the Mach 5, or something like that. I consider Speed to be a Superhero. Maybe that's it?
Right, Shannon. Right, Doc.
Everclear -- ?
The Kinks -- Superman, Captain America Calling-- OHIO
Will Smith -- ?
Presidents of the United States of America -- Mach 5 -- DOC BROWN
Blue Oyster Cult -- Godzilla -- OHIO
Black Sabbath -- Iron man -- OHIO
Prince -- ?
The Ramones -- ?
Donovan -- Sunshine Superman ("Superman and Green Lantern...") -- OHIO
Queen -- Flash Gordon -- SEADATE
Crash Test Dummies -- ?
Manowar -- ?
REM -- I am Superman -- SHANNON
Jimmy Buffet -- Captain America -- SEADATE
Spin Doctors -- ?
Two of the remaining answers are so obvious I can't stand it.
Think, people. Think.
Will Smith - does Wild Wild West count?
No, Wild Wild West doesn't count. But you're on the right track.
Everclear -- ?
The Kinks -- Superman, Captain America Calling-- OHIO
Will Smith -- ?
Presidents of the United States of America -- Mach 5 -- DOC BROWN
Blue Oyster Cult -- Godzilla -- OHIO
Black Sabbath -- Iron man -- OHIO
Prince -- Bat-Dance ("I like Bat-man"); Partyman (all about the Joker) -- SEADATE
The Ramones -- ?
Donovan -- Sunshine Superman ("Superman and Green Lantern...") -- OHIO
Queen -- Flash Gordon --SEADATE
Crash Test Dummies -- ?
Manowar -- ?
REM -- I am Superman -- SHANNON
Jimmy Buffet -- Captain America -- SEADATE
Spin Doctors -- ?
Well, Let's wrap this up:
Everclear -- SPEED RACER (cover)
The Kinks -- Superman, Captain America Calling-- OHIO
Will Smith -- MEN IN BLACK (yes, it was a Marvel Comic before becoming a movie)
Presidents of the United States of America -- Mach 5 -- DOC BROWN
Blue Oyster Cult -- Godzilla -- OHIO
Black Sabbath -- Iron man -- OHIO
Prince -- Bat-Dance ("I like Bat-man"); Partyman (all about the Joker) -- SEADATE
The Ramones -- SPIDERMAN THEME (cover)
Donovan -- Sunshine Superman ("Superman and Green Lantern...") -- OHIO
Queen --Flash Gordon -- SEADATE
Crash Test Dummies -- THE SUPERMAN SONG (actually mentions Superman, Lois Lane, Tarzan, Jane, and the obscure Supe-villain Solomon Grundy)
Manowar -- THOR (okay, okay... I did a Napster search on "Thor" and it came up with Manowar. I never heard of it either)
REM -- I am Superman -- SHANNON
Jimmy Buffet -- Captain America -- SEADATE
Spin Doctors -- JIMMY OLSEN'S BLUES (Jimmy Olsen is Superman's pal, of course)
Then the answer to the Ramones is "I Wanna Be Seadated"."
Very nice, Ohio.
(3) 3,259 light years = kiloparsec (kpc) = 1,000 parsecs
(5) Kohoutek - comet, which was just at perihelion in Feb.
(6) iron and stony – base materials for asteroids? As opposed to comets which are mostly icey material? (guessing)
(7) Arecibo, Puerto Rico – Location of the largest radiotelescope on earth, the Arecibo Observatory. It appeared in the movie Contact and one of the James Bond films(?).
(8) May 5, 2000 – date that Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn will be (more or less) aligned with the Sun
(9) blue event horizon – Besides being part of the title of a Fredrick Pohl novel in the HeeChee series? Ya got me.
(10) 248 years - # of years it takes Pluto to orbit the Sun. Because of its very elliptical orbit, Pluto distance from the sun varies. For 20 years out of every 248 years it swings inside Neptune’s orbit and becomes the 2nd furthest planet from the Sun. I think it swung back