3001. theDiva - 11/28/2000 3:11:26 PM
oh, geez. That's two I missed. I need to go home.
3002. Fraaankster - 11/28/2000 3:13:48 PM
Now !!!
3003. Fraaankster - 11/28/2000 3:14:36 PM
Oops! What happened to my post ?
3004. Fraaankster - 11/28/2000 3:16:09 PM
I nailed it ! Hee-hee-hee!
Wow, funny you should ask. I did get a new queen size fitted sheet the other day as a kinda late birthday treat, along with the new Beatles Anthology book -- the book looks a bit disappointing I must say.
...what else did I have in mind besides the sheets ?
3005. theDiva - 11/28/2000 3:20:03 PM
You were talking about getting some CDs. I just got Lyle Lovett's 'Joshua Judges Ruth' and it is fantastic. A nice reminder of just how closely related are the blues and true country music. Oh, and this morning on my way in I heard two which I know you'd appreciate....Stylistics' 'You Make Me Feel Brand New' and Wilson Pickett's 'Land of a Thousand Dances', which had the people in the car next to me staring because I was singing at the top of my lungs and dancing in my seat.
3006. Fraaankster - 11/28/2000 3:32:01 PM
The Stylistics had a few I enjoyed back then, and still do today.'Betcha by Golly Wow' and 'Stoned in Love With You'. I liked Pickett's version of that song, but I enjoyed the version by Cannibal and the Headhunters even better. It sounded as if they did one take on it, and that gave that song a very raw edge to it.
(yawn)
3007. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 4:31:31 PM
JJ:
I had longed for a Jag since I was 9 years old and last year, my husband got me one for our wedding annivesary. I adore it! Except when we have to visit the mechanic....groan.
Diva:
Did you read my review upthread of the play Cowgirls ? The premise of that play was on the relation of classical music to country music...most enjoyable scene wherein they segue into existing country songs from classical pieces.
3008. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 4:34:26 PM
Fraankster!!!
Congrats on your millennial!
And that's Etta James, Sarah Vaughn, and Nina Simone to you, fella....and yes, they are indeed very big in the music business; have been and will be for a long, long time.
3009. labwabbit - 11/28/2000 6:23:41 PM
J@H
she is singing background to an ad for Jaguar
Forgive my apparent lack of culture. If Etta sings for Jag...With my voice, the most I can muster is to hum a ditty about a Yugo. :>
And I think all that time in the frozen north has dulled your normally acute sensibilities. The Who, indeed.
Hey watch-it lady! I resemble that remark. If you can feel "dotty"(?), why can't I? Besides, when it comes to maturity in musical taste, I refuse to go quietly into that night, and prefer the 'it's better to burn-out than to fade away' creativity of rock-n-roll baby!
However between you an' me, when nobody's looking, I do really enjoy Count Basey, The Duke, TommyD, Glenn Miller, Woody Herman, Porter, Hammerstein, Gershwin, Fats Waller, and of course Benny.
And *looks around*, I really enjoy the classics. (shhhhh)
But, to the public-eye...I'm hard core rock and roller ...my my, hey-hey.
3010. theDiva - 11/28/2000 6:36:07 PM
That was me in the second quote, not Judith. And I have no doubt that you have better musical taste than you will admit. I'm just giving you a hard time.
3011. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 6:38:30 PM
Diva:
I think he knew that....cause I wasn't feelin' dotty. I feel groovy.;-)
3012. labwabbit - 11/28/2000 6:40:17 PM
Diva...sorry.
I knew that and it WAS for you Hon.
3013. labwabbit - 11/28/2000 6:40:49 PM
Who else could possibly feel "dotty"?
3014. labwabbit - 11/28/2000 6:42:37 PM
J@H
Ya feelin' groovy! That's what it is!
S&G oh ya.
3015. theDiva - 11/28/2000 6:43:55 PM
oh God, I am losing it. I need a nap.
3016. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 6:44:09 PM
Diva,Judith,
Seven years ago a business acquaintance played a "rare" song of Ella Fitzgerald for me called "Always". Ever heard of it? Is it rare? I've never been able to find it, it was just beautiful.
3017. theDiva - 11/28/2000 6:47:42 PM
'Always' is not really rare, except in terms of beauty! It's a standard, by Irving Berlin, that has been recorded over 450 times by various artists. In Ella's case, it was probably on her 'Irving Berlin Songbook', which was recorded in the late '50s. Very often in jazz, the artists will take a standard or a Tin Pan Alley tune and record it because the melodies lent themselves to improvisation.
3018. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 6:50:19 PM
Diva...is that the one that starts "I'll be loving you....always"?
3019. theDiva - 11/28/2000 6:51:44 PM
with a love that's true, always....
when the things you've planned
need a helping hand...
yeah, that's the one. My college roomie and her husband used it for their first dance at their wedding.
3020. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 6:55:42 PM
Frank asked me if I could sing like anyone who would it be, and all I could think about was that song.
3021. theDiva - 11/28/2000 6:56:37 PM
Jen
You could do a lot worse. The woman has the most gorgeous voice I've ever heard.
3022. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 6:59:47 PM
You know whose voice I also like? Lisa Stansfield. I don't like all of her songs, but she sings with such passion and range, I really like her.
3023. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 6:59:49 PM
You know whose voice I also like? Lisa Stansfield. I don't like all of her songs, but she sings with such passion and range, I really like her.
3024. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 7:00:37 PM
I'm a little trigger happy today. Probably because my dissertation is due Friday and I'M SICK OF WORKING ON IT!!!
3025. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:03:05 PM
yes, she has a nice voice, very smoky r&b feel to it.
3026. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 7:06:41 PM
I love her rendition of Barry White's "Never Gonna Give You Up"!!
3027. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:07:49 PM
yeah, that's a nice one.
3028. Electric Slide - 11/28/2000 7:12:36 PM
New CD purchases today at lunch.
Sade Lovers Rock because of a terrific review in the New York Times. BTW, correct pronounciation of the band's name is sharDAY. $12.99
And on sale for $21.99 is three-record boxset of all of Simon & Garfunkel's records, entitled Old Friends.
The b&W cover studio picture is pure PC Stalin-liberalism in that the cigarette in Paul Simon's hand has been airbrushed out. Too bad they can't be honest about their habits.
It's another example of the lieberman-azation going on in the culture business.
3029. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 7:14:14 PM
I love Sade.
3030. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 7:14:43 PM
Slide:
Even I know Sade is a pereson, not a band.
3031. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:15:02 PM
"BTW, correct pronounciation of the band's name is sharDAY."
You bama, where ya been livin, in a cave? Everyone knows this.
3032. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 7:15:12 PM
...and she's a PERSON, too.
3033. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:15:44 PM
And the band is Sade, not just the singer. I think her name is Helen Folasade Adu. I'd have to check AllMusic, though.
3034. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:16:57 PM
Folsade, not Folasade.
3035. Electric Slide - 11/28/2000 7:19:50 PM
Thanks for not ignoring me in this thread.
3036. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 7:21:41 PM
Well, in the review I heard on NPR (not quite the rave Slide was talking about) they kept referring to Sade, and her work and her songs and her derivative new album which wasn't as good as her last one so I got the idea Sade was a person. I have only liked one or two of her songs, anyhow....
3037. Electric Slide - 11/28/2000 7:23:16 PM
You can't believe anything you hear on government radio.
3038. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:24:59 PM
Judith
Both she and the band go by that name.
3039. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 7:25:25 PM
Well, I heard cuts from the album on government radio and that was enough for me.
Are you suggesting they played FAKE cuts? You're too much...
3040. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 7:25:57 PM
She's a beauty and what a voice!
3041. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 7:26:26 PM
I thought about having "Kiss of Life" in my wedding reception.
3042. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:27:55 PM
have I missed an announcement?!!?!
3043. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 7:30:06 PM
Not yet!;-)
3044. Jenerator - 11/28/2000 7:30:38 PM
We're just waitin' for things to slow down after the quads are born.
3045. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:31:28 PM
don't even joke.
3046. Electric Slide - 11/28/2000 7:31:41 PM
I know why LuCY doesn't like her music. Problems with the old man, right?
From the NYTimes piece:
Sade's gentle, husky singing voice is one of the more distinctive in pop. The heart of her range is a good deal lower than that of most female vocalists, a sultry purr that has made her songs perennial slow-jam favorities. (Other stars rule the dance floor, but Sade long ago staked a claim to that final musicial frontier of a night on the town: the bedroom). Over the years, Sade's voice has become a more agile instrument...
3047. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 7:41:08 PM
Oh god....Slide is a true Republican, worried about what's going on in MY bedroom while his own needs the help of sultry music and imagination. Too rich!!
3048. theDiva - 11/28/2000 7:43:50 PM
Sade is indeed good bedroom music. I also like 'Kind of Blue' and anything slow by Buddy Guy, or funky by James Brown, although lately James is a bit lively for me.
3049. Electric Slide - 11/28/2000 7:49:51 PM
To get into the mood, I bet lUCy and her 5th husband listen to the Firesign Theatre in her basement lair.
3050. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 7:52:18 PM
Okay Slide, you are stretching now. Before you were just not funny but now you're pathetically less than funny...you are dull.
Your wife must feel so special....knowing what a misogynist you are.
3051. Electric Slide - 11/28/2000 7:55:50 PM
D
3052. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 8:00:00 PM
G.....
You would've killed to be where we were last night, Slide.....at the home of a very influential man in this town. He had pictures all over his house of him with Colin Powell, GW Bush, all the biggies in Texas politics. We had a wonderful time and he just adored my husband; we've been invited back over the holidays.
3053. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 8:02:58 PM
And before I leave for the afternoon, yes, we there as invited guests.
3054. Electric Slide - 11/28/2000 8:09:33 PM
I've come back from my work computer to apologize to you, Judith@home. I'm sorry.
3055. Fraaankster - 11/28/2000 11:21:10 PM
Judith,
( Where did I read your post on Jaquars ? )
The old line on Jags, was that an owner should have two -- one to keep on the driveway, and another with the mechanic. Those things were crap at one time. In this case, a merger was actually good for the product being acquired. The quality of Jaquars has improved immensely since Ford bought Jag out several years back.
...If I had the money, one "liberty" I would take with my wealth, would be to buy one of those new XJ8's, and mount it in my friggin' livingroom. What a thing of beauty!
3056. JudithAtHome - 11/28/2000 11:57:18 PM
Frank:
Every time I see my mechanics girlfriend, I check out her new jewelry because I know I paid for most of it.
3057. Fraaankster - 11/29/2000 12:03:11 AM
Judith,
Ouch! I hope you're not making a trip to that mechanic that often ?
...Is there a bit of snickering going on from her once you turn around and part ways ?
3058. JudithAtHome - 11/29/2000 12:08:03 AM
Frank:
It isn't so much a matter of how often as simply when. Any repairs are frightfully expensive and even service (oil changes, tune-ups, etc.) are fairly dear, too. And she's a nice girl; likes me a lot....ha!
3059. JudithAtHome - 11/29/2000 2:26:38 AM
Last night, I was thisclose to a genuine Utrillo...and it wasn't in a museum. I almost choked.
3060. Fraaankster - 11/29/2000 2:39:28 AM
Judith,
What ?! No mass transit where you live, and what's a Utrillo ? If you used mass transit, you would only have to use your car for destinations where the subway didn't service, but you wouldn't have to possibly need to service that Jag so often ... Oops, nevermind. I forgot what country it is we live in, and thus its "priorities" when it concerns trivial matters such as good urban planning and viable, flexible mass transit systems that wouldn't contribute noxious fumes to mom earth.
... San Diego freeways will become one giant parking lot in a few years if they don't start planning for it soon.
( Back to thread topic at hand ) I've been listening to some of my pop CDs the last two hours, and I've come up with a short list of songs with the sharpest beginnings. Y'all know, the ones with memorable "hooks" that kick them off ? I'm sure I'll come up with more later.
1 ) Heard it though the Grapevine: Only Gladys Knight and the Pips version will do here. Hit the dance floor iow!
2 ) White China: Ultravox. A good combination of techno meeting a speedy drum set.
3 ) That's Entertainment: The Jam. I've been meaning to go out and buy an acoustic guitar because of its opening rif. They make it seem easy.
4 ) Honky Tonk Woman: The Stones. That lazy opening cowbell does it for me.
5 ) Do it Again: The Beach Boys. Yes, never let it be said that dysfunctional families can't breed geniuses. Deliberately slow, but it grabs.
6 ) Some Like it Hot: The Power Station. This drummer plays the drums like Al Gore plays legal avenues. If the beginning doesn't grab you, you're comatose! :-(
7 ) Take me to the River: Al Green. Classic Green at his finest.
8 ) I feel Fine: The "Super-group". The opening rif and feedback put it in a league of its own.
...Let's see, what else is out there ?
3061. Fraaankster - 11/29/2000 2:45:11 AM
There should be an "and" after service.
Proof read, Frank!
3062. EricCartman - 11/29/2000 7:48:58 AM
Anomieme Message # 2991:
With a field of 100, seems they could include just about everyone and then just rank them.
Yeah, that's about what I figured too. But I didn't see the entire 100, just the top 50 or so. And all the usual suspects were there. I had the top 5 pegged well before they showed up (except for the exact order). I was pleased to see that Black Sabbath got their props (#2) -- for better or worse, almost every single guitar-based rock band of the past 15-20 years owes them a huge debt.
The thing about all those bands is, they actually do influence people to do something constructive and fun. Millions of kids made themselves learn how to play guitar after hearing Eddie Van Halen or Tony Iommi. 40 million people bought Thriller, but who the hell was inspired to do anything but flit around in a damned sequined glove and keep a chimp for a pet?
As far as who was left out, offhand I'd pick Thin Lizzy, UFO, Blue Öyster Cult, King's X, maybe Budgie just for their cult value. King Crimson, too -- they're usually thought of as "progressive", but a lot of their power-trio-era stuff (Red, USA, etc.) was pretty beefy. And Robert Fripp, bless his pointy little head, was the first guy to record that two-hand tapping shit that Van Halen later popularized (21st Century Schizoid Man).
I draw a blank on ommissions except for one-hit wonders: Moby Grape, The Seeds, The Trogs. But maybe these were before your time.
Heard of them, but yeah, I go back to early Deep Purple, Absolutely Free-era Zappa, and that's pretty much it.
3063. JudithAtHome - 11/29/2000 2:09:59 PM
Frank:
Maurice Utrillo was a painter who did beautiful works early in the 20th century. He was in Paris during the time of Picasso and all those guys, though his work is less avant garde than theirs.
The picture I was standing in front of was in our hosts "long hall", a room the length of his house that is a sort of gallery for his art. The Utrillo was a scene of a Paris street in the winter, swathed in fog and cold light, very muted and crisp at the same time. It gave a sense of place and of temperature...it was just there on an easel, at the end of the room...I was transfixed. He had other works of art, a lot of Oriental stuff that was quality but I fell for the Utrillo. Sigh...must be nice to see it every day...
3064. Jenerator - 11/29/2000 5:43:04 PM
Judith,
#4 on your list (Honky Tonk Woman) is one of my all time favorites. Also, you picked the best single by Power Station. I always thought of the drummer as a black version of Tommy Lee.
I'm a vintage jaguar fan, myself. Someday, I'd love to own a 66 or 67. My ultimate fave vintage car is the 67 Dino Ferrari Berlinetta, though.
Eric,
Didn't Geddy Lee come out with a new solo album yesterday?
3065. JudithAtHome - 11/29/2000 6:36:06 PM
Jen:
You have me confused with Fraaankster...it's his list. Although, I like the Stones a lot. My fave is Miss You ...I just love that line, "What's a matter wityouBOY!?" I like how he runs those 3 words together...
3066. JJBiener - 11/29/2000 8:01:21 PM
Diva - Very often in jazz, the artists will take a standard or a Tin Pan Alley tune and record it because the melodies lent themselves to improvisation.
Actually, I think it is the harmonic content that attracts them rather than the melody. It is difficult to improvise over a simple D Major chord. It is easier to improvise over a Dm7-9 or a Dmaj7sus4.
3067. JJBiener - 11/29/2000 8:08:49 PM
Fraaank - This drummer plays the drums like Al Gore plays legal avenues.
Ham-handed and awkward?
3068. EricCartman - 11/29/2000 10:29:01 PM
Jen:
Yes, I believe Geddy Lee's solo album finally hit the stands this week. I've only heard one track from it; sounds like Rush, basically. VH1 interviewed him in a segment right after that Top 100 list I was talking about. It sounds like Lee is tired of waiting around for Rush to do something. That may not happen for a while yet, if at all -- Peart is apparently not in any hurry to get back into things, which is understandable.
I saw Rush on their last tour (in '95 or '96), and they were tuned down to D, which is usually a signal that the singer's voice is shot. So I'm a bit surprised to see Geddy Lee still plugging along, but I imagine he now writes stuff that's more within his current range.
3069. JJBiener - 11/29/2000 10:44:08 PM
Cart - Billy Joel has his backup singer sing all of the high parts for him these days. Also he has the band so loud you can't hear him flub his piano parts. When I saw him last year, they would occasionally show a shot of his hands on the screens over the stage and I could watch him flub notes. To top it off he was so drunk he mumbled incoherently between songs. Terrible show.
3070. theDiva - 11/29/2000 10:44:17 PM
JJ
Showoff.q
3071. Fraaankster - 11/29/2000 10:51:50 PM
JJ,
LOL !!! You know what I mean. I should have used "manipulates" the drums as Al Gore blah, blah, blah ...
3072. JudithAtHome - 11/29/2000 10:56:13 PM
Fraaankster:
Did you read Message # 3063 ?
3073. Fraaankster - 11/29/2000 10:58:23 PM
Judith,
Yes.Thank you, now I better get back to work.
Talk to you later, okay ?
3074. CharlieL - 11/29/2000 11:11:25 PM
You're the only bozo on this bus...
3075. CharlieL - 11/29/2000 11:12:24 PM
That was to "ElectricSlide" and his Firesign reference, not to Fraaaaaaaank.
3076. Electric Slide - 11/29/2000 11:25:49 PM
As if anyone cares, loser.
3077. EricCartman - 11/29/2000 11:42:19 PM
Biener Message # 3069:
Hey, give the guy a break. If you looked like Billy Joel, and Christie Brinkley finally kicked your monkey ass to the curb, you'd probably get sauced too.
But yeah, there's yet another reason I'll never catch that guy live....
3078. JJBiener - 11/29/2000 11:49:38 PM
Carts - I saw Joel a couple of times back in the 80's and the guy just kicked ass. These were when he was still with Brinkley and he was trying to make up for the money his manager had stolen from him. He was hungery and eager and he really threw himself into his shows. he toured constantly for about a year and a half. I caught him at both the beginning and end of the tour. He was great both times, but he was obviously tired at the second show. When I saw him last year, he was fat, lazy and drunk (which as we know is no way to go through life). He barely dragged his ass off of the piano bench.
Neil Young said it is better to burn out, than it is to rust. Joel is rusting. Young is still burning.
3079. Electric Slide - 11/30/2000 12:04:58 AM
I once carried Neil Young's guitar case in from a car to a folk club in Providence, RI, (near Brown) when he went solo (after leaving the Springfield).
He did "Oh, to live on Sugar Mountain..." and I sang that song for years.
3080. theDiva - 11/30/2000 12:10:19 AM
WRT Billy Joel...did youse see when he sang the National Anthem before Game 1 of the WS? What a pathetic wreck. I didn't recognize him at first and I thought, what they pulled some guy off the subway to sing this? And he sure sounded that way.
3081. Fraaankster - 11/30/2000 12:13:08 AM
Hi, Chuck!
... Neil Young shares my birthday. :-)
3082. JJBiener - 11/30/2000 12:19:05 AM
Diva - did youse see when he sang the National Anthem before Game 1 of the WS?
No, I didn't watch any of the WS this year. A subway series has little to offer a midwestern boy like me. I am glad I missed Joel's performance. It is embarassing when a fading star doesn't know when to leave the stage.
3083. anomieme - 11/30/2000 2:35:32 AM
Eric,
"As far as who was left out, offhand I'd pick Thin Lizzy, UFO, Blue Öyster Cult, King's X, maybe Budgie just for their cult value. King Crimson, too -- they're usually thought of as "progressive", but a lot of their power-trio-era stuff (Red, USA, etc.) was pretty beefy. And Robert Fripp, bless his pointy little head, was the first guy to record that two-hand tapping shit that Van Halen later popularized (21st Century Schizoid Man). "
Here's the list. Apologies for not linking. Most of your guys made it.
I missed some of these folks in my younger days, but watching the show gave me some impetus to check out a few of these groups. Notably Korn, Thin Lizzy, and Alice in Chains.
VH1 List
Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
Jimi Hendrix
AC/DC
Metallica
Nirvana
Van Halen
The Who
Guns N' Roses
KISS
Aerosmith
The Sex Pistols
Queen
Soundgarden
Pink Floyd
Cream
The Ramones
Ozzy Osbourne
The Clash
Alice Cooper
Pearl Jam
Deep Purple
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
Cheap Trick
Motorhead
Iggy Pop/ The Stooges
Rush
Motley Crue
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Def Leppard
The Doors
Rage Against The Machine
Alice in Chains
Jane's Addiction
Frank Zappa
Yardbirds
MC5
Neil Young & Crazy Horse
Stone Temple Pilots
Ted Nugent
The Kinks
Nine Inch Nails
ZZ Top
Pantera
Scorpions
The Rollins Band/ Black Flag
Janis Joplin
Smashing Pumpkins
Slayer
Thin Lizzy
Faith No More
Korn
3084. anomieme - 11/30/2000 2:36:45 AM
Korn
Sonic Youth
Blue Oyster Cult
White Zombie/ Rob Zombie
Heart
Anthrax
Bad Company
The New York Dolls
Jethro Tull
Ministry
Boston
Steppenwolf
The Cult
Joan Jett and the Blackhearts
Rolling Stones
Husker Du
Megadeth
Living Colour
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Foo Fighters
Twisted Sister
Pat Benatar
Spinal Tap
Bon Jovi
Hole
Marilyn Manson
Ratt
Green Day
Pixies
Queensryche
King's X
UFO
Whitesnake
Foreigner
King Crimson
Tool
Lita Ford
Rainbow
The Misfits
The Black Crowes
Lenny Kravitz
Yes
Fugazi
Meat Loaf
Primus
Mountain
Bad Brains
Quiet Riot
3085. Indiana Jones - 11/30/2000 4:49:08 PM
"Wait'll they get a load of me!"
3086. Electric Slide - 11/30/2000 5:41:09 PM
I've loved much of Michael Jackson's music. And I've always wondered what would happen to his face as he aged after all that plastic surgery.
BTW, who is the woman with him?
3087. Indiana Jones - 11/30/2000 6:23:41 PM
Slide: Denise Rich, founder of the G & P Foundation for Cancer Research
I think he looks a lot like this WTO protestor:
3088. theDiva - 11/30/2000 7:12:19 PM
God. And Michael used to be such a little hottie, too.
3089. Indiana Jones - 11/30/2000 7:30:09 PM
Diva: I saw a videotape of him as a little boy with the Jackson 5 and it makes you feel positively sad.
Not only the physical change but that he was such a normal, joyful kid.
3090. theDiva - 11/30/2000 7:38:49 PM
A cautionary tale for anyone wanting to push a kid into show biz too early.
3091. ScottLoar - 12/1/2000 12:34:09 AM
I well remember the Sex Pistols. In the 70's my sister returned from England with albums of what were called "punk rock", especially the Sex Pistols who had a cut titled "God Bless Martin Bormann". I wonder now, who among their current devotees can even place Martin Bormann?
3092. Electric Slide - 12/1/2000 2:49:09 AM
We're listening to the Beach Boys' Pet Sounds on our new 30-watt Altec Lansing speakers (with inde box subwoofer) in our new Micron computer system. Never new music from the computer could sound so good.
Love Brian's bass...!
3093. Electric Slide - 12/1/2000 2:50:27 AM
new=knew
3094. joezan - 12/1/2000 3:19:35 AM
Do you think Michael Jackson's mom ever dreamed that someday people would look at a photo of her son and think, "Boy - Mike's looking pretty pasty these days!...?
3095. Electric Slide - 12/1/2000 3:25:02 AM
Joe: Jackson claims he has some sort of rare disease that's causing him to turn white.
3096. joezan - 12/1/2000 3:30:00 AM
Well, apparently one of the treatments for this disease is having a vacuum hose stuck up his butt and turning it on full blast.
The man's face is getting sucked into his head.
3097. Jenerator - 12/1/2000 3:59:43 AM
I can't believe that Slayer made it on to the VH1 list. That's a band with no redeemable qualities.
3098. EricCartman - 12/1/2000 7:28:11 AM
Jesus Christ. That picture of Michael Jackson is making me want to adjust my monitor settings. Seriously, it's awful.
Slide, the disease MJ supposedly has is called vitiligo, and it's a real disease. But it affects people in irregular splotches and blotches. Jackson's even discoloration is clearly makeup, and probably chemical peels. Whatever it is, it makes my skin crawl. By the time he's 50, he'll make Keith Richards look like one of those little poster boys from N*Stink.
BTW, Slide, good call on God Only Knows. My all-time favorite Beach Boys song. How can someone who has such decent taste in music be so goofy politically? The mind wobbles....
3099. EricCartman - 12/1/2000 7:32:32 AM
Anomieme Message # 3083:
Thanks for posting the entire list; I guess my offhand guesses were correct after all, except for Budgie, who really were notable only for their excellent riffs and bizarre song titles. Glad to see UFO on there after all; Michael Schenker is a truly exceptional guitarist.
Pat Benatar, Yes, and Foreigner don't strike me as hard rock, but they're interesting choices. There are some other ones on there that make me slap my forehead and say, "Duh! Of course!", like Rainbow. Dio-era Rainbow, anyway.
Even though it's kind of a narrow spectrum musically, it's still interesting to contrast the viability of that list with the Rolling Stoned list, which seemed almost designed to leave one flabbergasted. There's not much to argue with at all on the VH1 list, except maybe the order. It seems pretty clear to me that the interviewed musicians had significant input on the actual list.
And if it gets someone to check out King's X or UFO's Lights Out or whatever, so much the better.
3100. EricCartman - 12/1/2000 7:37:32 AM
BTW, Anomieme, Thin Lizzy was a '70s band. (They still tour the casino circuit with guitarist Scott Gorham as leader, but Phil Lynott was the heart and soul of the band, and died back in '84 or '85). So nothing too grindy or heavy there -- actually, much of their stuff was an odd mix of bar-band boogie and Irish modalities. Dedication and Live and Dangerous are good ones to check out.
3101. Fraaankster - 12/1/2000 7:43:16 AM
Eric,
Good call on that Beach Boy song. Best Beach Boy songs ?
Hmmmmmm. How about:
1 ) God Only Knows
2 ) In My Room
3 ) Do it Again
4 ) I Can Hear Music
5 ) Don't Worry Baby
And, if Jackson is destined to look like Kieth Richards one day, I just hope he isn't in Richard's condition on the inside, you know, a phlegm factory ?
( Hmmmm, the night's still early...Should I go out for a drink ? )
3102. EricCartman - 12/1/2000 7:54:48 AM
Fraaank:
Gotta have Wouldn't It Be Nice on there somewhere. You never think about the somewhat poignant subtext beneath the happy-go-lucky melody until you watch Roger & Me, I guess. But it's a great song.
As for MJ, I'm sure he's healthy as a horse on the inside -- an anemic, ectoplasmic, never-been-out-in-the-sunshine-to-play-some-damned-ball! horse, that is. Keith Richards, OTOH, is bulletproof, and will probably outlive us all, just so long as those guys in Switzerland keep changing his oil for him every so often.
(A drink sounds good. I'm going to get a beer. Anyone need anything while I'm up?)
3103. Fraaankster - 12/1/2000 8:32:06 AM
Eric,
( Yeah, I think I will go out and have that beer ... some Buffalo wings sonud good at the moment too! )
Hmmmmm. You've piqued my curiosity about Wouldn't It Be Nice. So it's a poignant wolf in sheep's clothing ? I'm gonna have to look those lyrics up because it's been years since I've last seen Roger and Me to remeber what context it was placed in.
...Heck, speaking of Roger, I keep missing, The Awful Truth with him on the Bravo Network because of their inconsistent, unstable program schedule.Sheesh!
One more thing on Jackson: We can argue back and forth about the merits of this disease he supposedly is inflicted with and his response to it, but how does that answer that hideous nose job ? It's one thing to paint oneself in some light earth tone to cover up uneven blotches, but that nose -- Yech !!!
3104. EricCartman - 12/1/2000 8:43:19 AM
Fraaank:
The song is at the very end of the movie, right after the juxtaposed scenes of Roger Smith (he of the $2 million bonus) at the GM X-mas party, and the family getting evicted on X-mas Eve. Heartwarming stuff.
I was reading something in the sports section the other day about Broncos' offensive lineman Mark Schlereth going in for his 29th operation. They're talking about it like it's some kind of record, and I'm thinking, "Wait a minute! What about Michael Jackson and Cher?! Those two have enough plastic in them to build a Corvette!"
Someone once asked Chuck D who he thought was more of a "down brother", Michael Jordan or Michael Jackson. Of course Chuck picked Jordan, and followed up with a remark about Jackson to the effect that "motherfuckers don't like somebody who don't respect what God gave him."
Considering the extreme that Chuck's referring to specifically here, I think he's right -- it's very creepy and offputting, which makes MJ's disco-mania even less appealing to me.
3105. arkymalarky - 12/2/2000 10:10:30 PM
My brother has vitiligo, and since he's fairly light-skinned and he doesn't have an extreme case of it, it's not that noticeable, but I've seen darker-skinned people with it and really is hard to cover up. I don't know if MJ has it and covers over to make one shade of white or if it's even true, but it seems like he could work the makeup the other way to a better effect.
3106. Fielding - 12/4/2000 12:09:08 AM
I saw the new Wendy Wasserstein, Old Money. It was a big disappointment. Instead of characters, she created cartoons. She grossly ripped off the structure and some of the themes from the Tom Stoppard play Arcadia. Instead of real drama, Wasserstein used gimmicks, like having characters sing and dance.
The biggest problem was that the play simply wasn't very funny.
I loved her other work, but this one really left me cold.
3107. theDiva - 12/4/2000 6:18:55 PM
3108. rubberducky - 12/4/2000 6:40:15 PM
while i understand i'll probably be scoffed at (like that's a 1st time) for mentioning it, has anyone seen the new music video for Everclear's new video AM Radio? it is one of the wittiest and outright hilarious videos i've seen in a long while.
they take the faces of the 3 band members and superimpose them over the likes of stars from brady bunch & Hawaii 5-0. it is hysterical - especially seeing the lead singer's face on the youngest Brady girl with the pig-tails. catch it if you can - it isn't played nearly enough.
3109. JudithAtHome - 12/7/2000 3:32:02 PM
This morning on NPR I heard an interview with the original drummer from the Crickets. I didn't catch his name as I tuned in late but he was talking about how they had been surprised at the first concert where the kids started jumping out of their seats and dancing to their music.
I can remember in the 50s being rebellious and playing Buddy Holly records over and over and driving my mom nuts...I can also remember going to a concert and feeling the new excitement of that music, something our parents were sure came from Hell. This morning, listening to snippets of their music, I got a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes.
And I can tell you something really funny: you can go to West Texas, and in almost any small to medium sized town near Lubbock, there will be many, many women of a certain age who will swear that Buddy Holly wrote Peggy Sue about her but he changed the name because it scanned better.
3110. Electric Slide - 12/7/2000 3:39:17 PM
Jerry Allison was the original drummer for the Crickets.
3111. JudithAtHome - 12/7/2000 3:40:32 PM
Thanks, Slide...I missed the intro.
3112. Electric Slide - 12/7/2000 3:42:39 PM
Call me Electric.
And, no I won't marry you. My cyber heart belongs to Arky.
3113. JudithAtHome - 12/7/2000 3:44:41 PM
I'm so crushed...my sympathies to Arky.
3114. glendajean - 12/7/2000 3:47:15 PM
Judith -- I heard that story too and enjoyed it.
3115. Electric Slide - 12/7/2000 8:50:31 PM
As a treat for my wife, I'm going to buy her Prince's new greatest hits CD before I get home tonight. I just saw it in my favorite record store yesterday.
Then we're going to embarrass our kids by dancing the weekend away.
3116. Fraaankster - 12/7/2000 8:56:19 PM
Slide,
With a moniker like that, you can't dance ? ;-)
(Before I sign off for now )
I remember it so clear. I was driving home around 9:15 approaching I-94 after an evening English class when a Deejay, voice cracking and barely audible, mentioned the following after the completion of a song,...Tonight is a very sad night in music history, as we have experienced the loss of a great man and musician -- John Lennon. John lennon was assasinated tonight upon entering his home at the Dakota....
I couldn't believe it. Arriving home, I received a call. It was my best friend asking me if I had just heard what Howard Cossell had just announced over the Monday Night Football telecast ? What an awful night it was, just awful. My parents, who aren't even proficient in English, were stunned. As if they had lost a family member ... I must have cried for a solid two weeks after that. My hero was gone.
I can't help but wonder if Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, or Duke Ellington would ever record anything from the slop that the,teen-pop automatons and grunting rap-metal heads(1) which populate the airwaves today produce, as they did of Beatle songs, or if any of these current artists would parley their fame or money for good and leave their cushy pathetic existences -- even for one interview -- to question and protest our involvement in Columbia ? Ya think ?
It was 20 years ago today that we were all robbed of a true artist and humanitarian -- my hero, John Lennon.
(1)From an article in yesterday's local entertainment section.
3117. Electric Slide - 12/7/2000 8:58:04 PM
Yoko Ono killed John Lennon. And she's still at it.
3118. Electric Slide - 12/7/2000 8:58:30 PM
make me big. make me big
3119. rubberducky - 12/7/2000 8:59:34 PM
idiot
3120. JJBiener - 12/7/2000 8:59:46 PM
Toys?
3121. rubberducky - 12/7/2000 9:00:08 PM
(sorry, that was tacky)
3122. Electric Slide - 12/7/2000 9:03:22 PM
your middle name, ducky?
3123. Fraaankster - 12/7/2000 9:06:00 PM
Sorry, guys !
Toys
Toys
Toys
Jugetes
Jugetes
Jugetes
3124. theDiva - 12/7/2000 9:31:30 PM
I'll never forget where I was when I heard the news.
Dorm room, my senior year, just coming out of the shower, and my roommate screaming...there on channel 7, someone saying John had been shot. It was so bizarre to think of...who'd do such a thing, we kept saying, and why? Bewildering. Sad.
3125. arkymalarky - 12/8/2000 12:16:29 AM
"And, no I won't marry you. My cyber heart belongs to Arky."
Looks like Mel. Demented humor. Rebel without a Cause of the Mote. What more could I want?
Dec. 8 is my best friend's birthday, and a year ago today I ran over my Chili Dog. It's one of the few dates I note outside close family birthdays and anniversaries.
3126. arkymalarky - 12/8/2000 12:17:00 AM
Hey, ES, you never said what you thought of that Garcia/Dawg album.
3127. JudithAtHome - 12/8/2000 4:30:35 AM
Arky:
:-(
Sniff....
Sorry about the anniversary.
3128. Electric Slide - 12/8/2000 5:12:55 AM
I couldn't go through with it.
I wanted to buy my queen Prince's Greatest Hits CD, bottles of wine, to twist and shout all evening, celebrate the end of it. But the news was bad and the old lady didn't want to dance, and guys can't dance by themselves. Especially when their kids are watching...and worrying.
Can we? No, we can't
I'm sick of the neverending-election battle and bummed out over the state of the state of the sunshine state.
I was feeling black and blue, white-man Elmore James's sad.
So, instead of the funky, sexy Prince, I bought heavy-handed, Eric Clapton's "From the Cradle..."
Songs on the single CD: Blues Before Sunrise; Third Degree; Reconsider Baby, Hoochie Coochie Man; Five Long Years; I'm Tore Down; How Long Blues; Goin' Away Baby; Blues Leave Me Alone; Sinner's Prayer; Motherless Child; It Hurts Me Too; Someday After a While; Standin' Round Crying; Driftin'; and Groaning The Blues.
The album is a live studio recording with no overdubs or edits. I like it. It reminds me of the John Mayall and the Bluebreakers band, way back in 1968.
Blues can be good for you. I guess.
Arky: I'm in a lot of pain tonight. And you pissed me off complaining about Jimmy Baker and his so-called "whining." That's no whining. That's primal screaming and it had to be said.
Give me some space and time to find my "Old & In the Way" CD with Jerry Garcia, Peter Rowan, Vasser Clements and David Grisman.
3129. arkymalarky - 12/8/2000 5:50:47 AM
I swear, when I read Jimmy Baker I was thinking Jim and Tammy Faye, and that yes, he was quite a blubberer, but I was unable to recall having discussed him in here lately.
My mother just loves Peter Rowan.
3130. arkymalarky - 12/8/2000 5:52:01 AM
BTW, thanks, Judith. I was one broken-down lump of misery this time of the day on this day last year.
3131. JJBiener - 12/8/2000 6:56:51 AM
Arky - My mother just loves Peter Rowan.
I think Dick Martin was the real star in that act. (G)
3132. Electric Slide - 12/8/2000 3:00:03 PM
U2 2 b on SNL 2night...
...promoting Algore's new theme
"All That You Can't Leave Behind."
3133. JudithAtHome - 12/8/2000 3:38:37 PM
At least Al Gore doesn't think a "Big Billy Bass" is art to be displayed on the wall. Your guy is a real card, Slide.
3134. Electric Slide - 12/8/2000 3:48:42 PM
What a goron you are, LuCY. Really.
The only thing I know about that talking-bass "art" toy (pretty cool if you ask me) was that bubba Bill Clinton gave one to Al Gore last summer on his birthday. I remember the story when Gore showed it to the traveling press corps on his plane.
3135. JudithAtHome - 12/8/2000 3:57:38 PM
Yeah, it makes a great gag gift but I seriously doubt Gore hung it in the VP house....we'll have to ask LIEBERMAN if it's still there!
3136. joezan - 12/9/2000 2:53:57 PM
Emmylou's on NBC right now - sounds great as ever.
3137. Electric Slide - 12/11/2000 8:11:39 PM
Top 10 Albums of the Year, according to AOL/TimesWarner
1. D'Angelo "Voodoo" (Virgin)
2. RadioHead "Kid A" (Capitol)
3. Sinead O'Connor "Faith and Courage" (Atlantic)
4. The Emerson Quartet "Shostakovich String Quartets" (DGG)
5. Sade "Lovers Rock" (Epic)
6. Shelby Lynne "I am Shelby Lynne" (Island)
7. Sarah Harmer "You Were Here" (Zoe)
8. Maria Schneider "Allegresse" (Enja)
9. James Carter "Chasin' the Gypsy" (Atlantic)
10. Wyclef Jean "The Ecleftic: 2 Sides II a Book" (Columbia)
(I only own Sade's CD.)
3138. PelleNilsson - 12/11/2000 10:14:17 PM
Jazzy tips for Christmas gifts from the Economist and a bit of jazz history:
Everyone would agree that jazz's full artistic potential was first proclaimed by Louis Armstrong in the 1920s, with the groups known as his Hot Five and Hot Seven. The shock of his genius is still manifest in these recordings, all of which have been handsomely collected in a 4-CD set from Sony (Columbia Legacy C4K 63527). Every track bursts with Satchmo's creativity, from the stop-time choruses of "Cornet Shop Suey" and "Potato Head Blues" to the exuberant scat singing of "Heebie Jeebies" and the majesty of "West End Blues".
Some critics, however, detected a decline in his later work, complaining of his formulaic routines with undistinguished big bands and the endless touring of his All-Stars. But a 3-CD set from Verve covering Armstrong's career right through to the late 1960s shows that his trumpet playing remained amazing, his singing irresistible-even on "Hello Dolly". Still, connoisseurs will object to the choice of an inferior version of his ecstatic high-note showcase, "Swing that Music".
3139. PelleNilsson - 12/11/2000 10:16:08 PM
Any listener will be intrigued by the commemoration of a historic event-the "From Spirituals to Swing" concerts presented at Carnegie Hall in 1938-39, now enshrined on three Vanguard CDs (3VCD 169/71-2). These were pioneering efforts to give the African-American artist serious concert exposure, from gospel groups to blues men (and women) to the then brand-new Count Basie band in full cry. The excitement is palpable both in musical and political terms, admirably framed by text and illustrations.
One of the stars of those concerts was Count Basie's great tenor saxophonist Lester Young. Shy and soft-spoken, he was regarded as an eccentric, but his lithe, agile attack and endlessly inventive ideas were revolutionary. A 4-CD set on Properbox (Properbox 8) charts his career from its astonishing beginning-his 1936 solo on "Lady Be Good" was an instant classic-to 1949, when alcohol and a cataclysmic spell in the army initiated a decline. But the myriad wonders here include Basie evergreens and marvellous examples of Lester's musical love affair with Billie Holiday.
3140. PelleNilsson - 12/11/2000 10:18:31 PM
Young's pervasive influence powerfully attracted a genius of the alto saxophone, Charlie Parker. In his teens, the budding master of bebop memorised Lester's solos, before bursting on the scene with a style of boggling complexity and fluency which virtually created modern jazz. His recordings of the 1940s convey the same effortless brilliance as Louis Armstrong's Hot Five and Sevens, and are collected on 8 dazzling CDs from MCI (BirdBox001). The virtuoso daring of the likes of "Koko" and "Parker's Mood" is still astonishing and this set offers every note from the sessions, false starts, second thoughts and all.
MCI's collection also presents a giant in the making: Miles Davis, a sideman with Charlie Parker, would come to dominate jazz soon after the saxophonist's death in 1955. And he in turn formed a historic partnership, which is documented in the 6-CD Sony Jazz collection "Miles Davis with John Coltrane: The Complete Columbia Recordings" (C6K 65833). Coltrane's mesmerising saxophone would be the most influential sound of the 1960s, and his recordings with Davis include such landmarks as "Kind of Blue", probably the most popular of all modern jazz albums. Again, alternate takes let the listener trace the evolution of classic performances, and of Coltrane's individual voice.
3141. PelleNilsson - 12/11/2000 10:19:39 PM
Coltrane's only peer on saxophone in the late 1950s was Sonny Rollins, whose style combined irony, power, speed and a capacity to transmute a single theme into a many-angled extended whole. A 5-CD set from Riverside ("Sonny Rollins, The Freelance Years": 5RCD-4427-2) conveys the characteristic breadth of his invention, tackling old chestnuts and venturesome originals with the same protean intelligence.
Mr Rollins, happily, is still alive, but much of the current state of jazz is being shaped by a 39-year-old Young Turk trumpeter and composer, Wynton Marsalis. Though he has in the past been criticised for his outspoken insistence on the formal values of jazz-and for the power he wields as head of jazz at New York's prestigious Lincoln Centre-a new 8-CD set (Sony Jazz 4976472) shows the talented Mr Marsalis doing what he loves most: playing jazz with his septet before a loud and enthusiastic audience, in this case at New York's Village Vanguard. Mr Marsalis's own description of that experience could well stand for the great riches that are to be found in all of these boxes-"pure, full of love and plenty of fun". Who could really disagree?
(END)
3142. PelleNilsson - 12/11/2000 10:29:20 PM
He himself:
3143. Electric Slide - 12/12/2000 9:29:30 PM
Just bought my little lady a Christmas present. It's Emmylou Harris' Red Dirt Girl. According to what I've read, all the songs on it were penned by Harris. That's a first. Producer is Malcolm Burn, who plays bass on it. Daniel Lanois is credited with giving her the push to actually write her own songs, not just do covers.
Too bad that I can't open it until Miss Vermont does on the 25th.
Tough love.
3144. theDiva - 12/13/2000 7:30:07 PM
Nice stuff, Pelle. Can't say as I agree with those who dismissed Pops' later work...but it sure is nice to read praise of Wynton. These days the 'cognoscenti' are into trashing him. It's rather tiresome and the main reason I no longer visit one particular jazz board.
Speaking of Wynton and Pops, there was a wonderful 'Live at Lincoln Center' broadcast last evening which featured the LCJO doing Pops-era work. Those 'cognoscenti' who say Wynton and LCJO can't swing probably have lead in their shoes. The first half of the concert was devoted to small group stuff, with a semi-traditional New Orleans band featuring Wynton, pianist Farrid Barron, Wycliffe Gordon and Lucien Barbaren on trombone (Wycliffe occasionally on tuba), the incredible Herlin Riley on drums, Rodney Whittaker on bass, and Lord help me I can't remember the names of the two other traditional New Orleans musicians on banjo and clarinet. Though faithful to the spirit of New Orleans in their renditions of 'St James Infirmary', 'Tight Like This', and other classics, they nonetheless played with the enthusiasm and force of late 20th century musicians who have been listening to all of jazz. The entire orchestra, which Greg and I saw last summer, did the second half of the show. The most enjoyable part of the second half was listening to three high school students whom Wynton brought out to solo on trumpet.
Amazingly, each of these young men, ages 17, 17, and 14, had already developed their own voice on horn in addition to their formidable chops. Listening to them was nearly as much fun as watching the older, seasoned musicians enjoying what the kids were doing.
Great, great stuff.
3145. mgleason - 12/15/2000 10:04:23 AM
We picked up some CDs for the car tonight:
The Best of Tom Paxton
Showbiz Kids: The Steely Dan Story 1972-1980
Come Dancing with the Kinks: The Best of the Kinks 1977-1986
Meatloaf - Bat out of Hell
Loudon Wainwright III - Career Moves
We also bought Eagles - Selected Works 1972-1999.
3146. Electric Slide - 12/15/2000 10:21:12 AM
Meatloaf? Get outta here...
3147. mgleason - 12/15/2000 10:24:40 AM
Yep; I had a yen...
3148. Electric Slide - 12/15/2000 10:32:45 AM
I'm a big fan of folky Wainwright--but can' stand the over-produced sound of Meatloaf. I saw a VH1 cable special on him a few years back and I understood exactly why he had had a nerve breakdown.
It's almost 4:30 am est here in the East and I'm getting water for one of my kids, who has a fever. Good night.
3149. Electric Slide - 12/15/2000 10:33:24 AM
nervous
3150. mgleason - 12/15/2000 10:38:21 AM
Hey, I hope your son or daughter is OK, ES.
(As for me, I had a sudden desire for 'Paradise by the Dashboard Light.' My husband is of the same opinion as you, and couldn't figure out how I could allow Paxton & Wainwright to become contaminated by Meat.)
3151. Fielding - 12/18/2000 8:14:46 PM
I don't know if this is the right place, but someone's got to say it.
Brevity is the Sol Lewitt.
3152. marjoribanks - 12/18/2000 8:24:22 PM
I bought a new album a couple of days ago, and it has instantly become my feel-good album of the year. I've listened to it at least 20 times already and the place it takes me to is indescribable. Well, maybe I'll try and describe it in a few days.
The album?
David Benoit's 'Here's to you, Charlie Brown'.
3153. janjon - 12/18/2000 10:40:03 PM
marj - that must be some album. Either that or somehow I get a whiff of something else that might be helping take you to that indescribable place.
3154. marjoribanks - 12/19/2000 5:28:50 PM
Janjon,
Charlie Brown, in a strange way, was America to me before I actually stepped off the plane. Along with Archie and various other comic-books, it colored my perception of the country quite vividly. Then, soon after I did get off the plane I saw all of the Charlie Brown movies and they described a place that I started to be immersed in - the pristine and bizarre American suburb. For instance, when I visted my cousin in Virginia, I saw a world exactly like the one Shultz drew and it was both unbelievably bizarre and desirable to this boy from Bombay. I loved the CB movies, and even now I will watch one with immense pleasure because it is an America within that perhaps has never existed entirely but one that I love and yearned to be part of and admired. The music was a big part, and the accents too actually. So ineffable American.
Thus, when an excellent but dutiful jazz piano album is released with scrupulous but soulful versions of the Charlie Brown standards it takes me to a strange and probably still indescribable place. Suffice it to say, 'Linus and Lucy' as per Benoit is somehow transcendent music. It generates a cosy well-being. I am so glad he did this album.
Final note: I've bought six copies for Christmas gifts and I know they'll be appreciated.
3155. marjoribanks - 12/19/2000 5:31:33 PM
Edit, I really need to start editing my stream of consciousness reams.
Mote New Year's Resolution: I will check for dust and read my contributions to the mote every time I post.
3156. theDiva - 12/19/2000 5:37:37 PM
Banks
Dig this:
Wynton and Ellis Marsalis do Joe Cool's Blues
3157. marjoribanks - 12/19/2000 5:42:56 PM
Bad link.
3158. theDiva - 12/19/2000 5:44:10 PM
dagnabit! Sorry, I'll try again.
3159. glendajean - 12/19/2000 5:46:50 PM
Diva -- there was a long story in the NY Times Arts section yesterday about the new National Jazz Museum in Harlam. Tucked away in the recent budget bill passed by Congress was a rider funding the museum.
3160. theDiva - 12/19/2000 5:47:48 PM
Good old Borders. Bad old CDNOW. In any case, Joe Cool's Blues
3161. theDiva - 12/19/2000 5:49:12 PM
Glenda
gosh, that's great! I'd read on the jazz board, back over the summer, they were trying to get funding. And what a good place for it, too.
3162. theDiva - 12/19/2000 5:50:37 PM
Banks
And here is Cyrus Chestnut doing a Charlie Brown Christmas
3163. marjoribanks - 12/19/2000 5:53:35 PM
Damn, that is such a cool-sounding album. I'm ordering it NOW.
Thanks, Diva.
3164. theDiva - 12/19/2000 5:57:41 PM
Banks
You're welcome. I figured you'd like it. There are two mistakes in their writeup - one, they spelled Victor Goines' name incorrectly, and two, it is Ellis doing interpretations of his own compositions, not Wynton. A minor quibble. And I've decided that Herlin Riley is probably one of the finest, most creative drummers I've ever heard. Did you happen to catch the LCJO Pops special? It was broadcast here last week.
3165. marjoribanks - 12/19/2000 6:12:36 PM
Missed that one, Diva. I've been too busy watching the many re-broadcasts of the Three Tenors. I've decided that I too want to become a girthy vocal fabulist. In fact, my new party trick is a 3 Tenor-like version of 'I've got a loverly bunch of Coconuts'. It cracks my crowd up every time.
3166. theDiva - 12/20/2000 3:40:35 PM
3167. Indiana Jones - 12/21/2000 3:13:23 AM
Diva: I heard an excellent interview with Hinton on NPR yesterday that had been recorded 12 years ago but was being replayed because of his death. He had some real stories to tell, including a couple about his association with Al Capone during his youth.
I'm likely telling you things you already know and that I just discovered, but apparently Hinton was quite an amateur photographer as well. During the interview he talked about some shots he took of Billy Holiday near her death.
Maybe this book would make a good last-minute Christmas present to you from yourself!
Another Hinton link.
JJ: While researching Hinton, I came across this site, which you might want to add to the butter bar.
3168. JJBiener - 12/21/2000 6:16:15 AM
Diva - Thanks for the link. It is now on the bar.
3169. Electric Slide - 12/22/2000 5:35:48 AM
Sad news in today's NYTimes Obit page if you love music.
Pops Staples died Tuesday. He was 85, the father of Mavis Staples.
The Staple Singers were one of my favorite gospel groups and I always dug the dad playing the guitar with his daughters. Remember their hits? "I'll Take You There," "Respect Yourself," and "Let's Do It Again."
"With his high, pensive, admonitory voice and his pointed guitar picking, Mr. Staples was a link between the Delta blues and the thoughful soul songs of Curtis Mayfield," Jon Pareles writes in the Times' obit. "The Staples blended gospel, blues and soul to create visions of racial harmony."
3170. Fraaankster - 12/22/2000 5:49:52 AM
Slide,
I was wondering why his death wasn't posted earlier in here ? I saw the Staples Singers here about five years ago, but Mavis Staples just couldn't carry a note that night. Her voice went out after the first song. The music was dead on, but the vocals were obviously lacking big time, so the show sucked. :-(
...You know, you're okay when it comes to music. I can understand the moniker now.
It's those political views that suck! (g)
3171. Electric Slide - 12/22/2000 6:11:44 AM
I recently saw a special on The Band where Robbie Robertson and Levom Helms talked about how much the Staples influenced their music, especially the harmonies.
I never saw them live but I have seen Ray Charles three times. (g)
And, yeah, my politics can suck. Bill Clinton and his people really brought out the poison in me. I think Bush is going to calm a lot of us down. Actually I grew up in a Democratic family and still like people like Bill Bradley and Bob Kerrey.
Merry Christmas. We're in and out the next 24 hours and then leaving for a vacation.
3172. Fraaankster - 12/22/2000 6:54:44 AM
Slide,
Have a safe trip, and if you're flying, be sure to pack a ton of patience, will yuh ?!
Did The Band record a song titled Buy for me the Rain ? I love that song but can never seem to find it. Do you know ? I guess I could look it up.
I have no trouble with a politician having his feet placed on the fire, be them on the right or left. But the daily vilification of this president -- the most right-wing democrat to ever occupy the White House -- not only perplexed me, but also went to a level that was unjustly warranted. All three of the Clintons deserve a standing ovation for what they went through in those eight years. I doubt Dubya has the make-up to take one-tenth the shit the Clintons put up with from Conservative firebrands, be them in Congress or on the radio talk show circuit. Unfortunately, we'll never know because there is no left-wing Limbaugh ( apparatus ) to put Dubya in a like hotseat day in and day out...Can you imagine what they would have done if there had been a real Liberal in power ?
Hey, what's good for the goose is also good for the gander, right ?
My big question is, who will all these right-wing talk show nuts focus their filth and venom on now ? They need to find a new cashcow to make their living off once more.
Merry Christmas to you also! I'm outta here!
3173. Electric Slide - 12/22/2000 2:11:26 PM
Santa's Christmas Stocking Stuffers for wife and kids:
1. Moby: Play
2. Emmylou Harris: Red Dirt Girl
3. The Jackson 5: The Ulimate Collection
4. The Monkees: Greatest Hits
5. Sublime: Greatest Hits
6. Lauryn Hill: The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
3174. Cellar Door - 12/22/2000 5:40:55 PM
"I think Bush is going to calm a lot of us down."
Well then I'll do my best to stir you all up again. My newfound fame at FreeRepublic has made my day!
3175. JudithAtHome - 12/23/2000 1:36:32 AM
Victor Borge.....RIP
3176. RustlerPike - 12/26/2000 10:56:42 AM
Minogue and Williams' 'Kids' is a good song. Minogue has a good butt too, though if she were my kid I wouldn't like the way she sticks it into the camera.
I'll probably forget I posted this and may never live to see any responses. Then again, I may remember.
3177. stostosto - 12/26/2000 6:59:06 PM
Judith already noted it, but I thought I'd post this here as well as in International:
"Anytwo four elevennis?"
A great, great internationalist, and a countryman of Rustler's, mine, and the American Moties as well, passed away on Dec. 23.
Click on image to see a website Tribute to Victor Borge.
3178. theDiva - 12/26/2000 7:11:21 PM
JJ
The link is Indy's, not mine...thanks for putting it up.
Indy
Hinton was indeed a fine photographer...one of my favorites of Lady was taken by him. I tried to find it online but couldn't, daggone it.
3179. theDiva - 12/26/2000 10:49:13 PM
JJ
Incidentally, if I never have before, I want to thank you now for turning me on to Diana Krall. Though I'd not gotten around to picking up any of her CDs, I caught her on TV whenever I could...about two weeks ago I caught her on 'Sessions at West 54th' and thought 'okay, that's going on the Christmas list'...Sure enough, Greg came through and got me 'Love Scenes'. Gosh, but this woman is terrific. My new favorite song is 'Peel Me A Grape'.
3180. cmboyce - 12/27/2000 12:39:26 AM
Here, from the NY Rev. of Books, is a nice article on the Beatles, if y'like.
(Indeed, it's there even if you don't.)
3181. RustlerPike - 12/28/2000 4:12:06 PM
A Flash story by me.
3182. Ripley - 12/28/2000 10:08:01 PM
Hello all! I just wanted to give everyone a little tidbit of information i just heard on VH1. This is for all those people out there that think these boy bands could use a slap back into reality and off the charts!
The top grossing tour of 2000, who beat out Nsync, was Tina Turner with 80 plus million in ticket sales!!! Isnt she 60 some years old! Now that is what i am talking about! It just goes to show that talent is timeless!
U go Tina, show those pedofiles how it is done!
3183. JJBiener - 12/28/2000 11:25:28 PM
Ripley - I have been in love with Tina Turner since I was 12. Even at her age she still has the best legs in Rock & Roll. I am thrilled at her success. After all the shit Ike put her through, she deserves it.
3184. JJBiener - 12/28/2000 11:27:44 PM
Diva - I don't know if you check these things, but Diana Krall has been burning up the Billboard Jazz charts. Her last couple of albums have done spectacularly well. "Peel Me a Grape" is one of my favs of hers as well. She is a very talented lady.
3185. Electric Slide - 12/31/2000 8:05:10 PM
Just returned from Starbucks where they're giving away the Viewer's Guide of Ken Burns's new 10-part documentary on JAZZ.
"It is America's music--born out of a million American negotiations: between having and not having; between happy and sad; country and city. Between black and white, and men and women; between the Old Africa and the Old Europe--that could only have happened in an entirely New World." --Ken Burns
Burns did an excellent series on the Civil War for PBS. Another on Baseball that was only so-so. The new one starts airing on PBS January 8 thru 31. Let's share our thoughts about it as it's happening.
The bootlet was published by www.hearmusic.com
3186. Electric Slide - 1/1/2001 4:36:40 AM
I just heard Robert Downey Jr sing Joni Mitchell's "River." Nice voice. It sounds like he means it.
It's on a Christmas CD of Ally McBeal music that a school chum gave my old daughter.
3187. Electric Slide - 1/1/2001 4:37:41 AM
...oldest daughter, the beautiful Kathryn Marie.
3188. don s. - 1/1/2001 5:25:42 AM
good articles on Ken Burns' "Jazz" in the current Atlantic and last week's(?) New Yorker... biggest complaints: Burns is too much in the thrall of Wynton Marsalis and his crowd; and he short-shrifts the last 40 years' worth of jazz by glossing over it lightly in the last segment.
BTW, Diana Krall is a bit of a hack (leading Billboard's charts is a tip-off -- anyone who thinks record sales = good jazz is an idiot), but I'm glad people derive enjoyment from her.
Um, happy new year!
3189. mgleason - 1/1/2001 5:38:49 AM
Happy New Year!
I just bought 'Ella Fitzgerald sings the Cole Porter song book;' it's de-lovely. (Always True to You in My Fashion is playing now.)
3190. mgleason - 1/1/2001 6:13:31 AM
Disc One:
All Through the Night
Anything Goes
Miss Otis Regrets
Too Darn Hot
In the Still of the Night
I Get a Kick out of You
Do I Love You
I’m Always True to You in My Fashion
Let's Do It (Let's Fall in Love)
Just One of Those Things
Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye
All of You
Begin the Beguine
Get out of Town
I Am in Love
From This Moment On
Disc Two:
I Love Paris
You Do Something to Me
Ridin' High
Easy to Love
It's All Right with Me
Why Can't You Behave?
What Is This Thing Called Love?
You're the Top
Love for Sale
It's De-Lovely
Night and Day
Ace in the Hole
So in Love
I've Got You Under My Skin
I Concentrate On You
Don't Fence Me In
You're the Top (alternate take)
I Concentrate on You (alternate take)
Let's Do It (Let's Fall in Love) (alternate take)
3191. Fraaankster - 1/1/2001 6:21:04 AM
Maria,
Hey, talk about how much the Mote can consume our thinking at times ...
The other night I was channel surfing on my bedroom TV and happen to stumble on Blondie singing Maria. Although I know other Marias, the only one that came to mind, was not the cute girl that lives across from me, or the one I work with, but you, the one in the Mote. Some of your recent postings began to just flash through my head. Weird, huh ?
Okay, I better hit the sack. That drive home ate me up.
PS: The Deev send me a Jobim CD with Ella on one cut...You are also welcomed to send me one anytime you'd like. ;-)
3192. mgleason - 1/1/2001 6:25:30 AM
I'll have to think of a suitable CD, Frank.
That's so funny that you thought of me - it must be a subliminable thing, as our soon-to-be fearless leader would say.
3193. Fraaankster - 1/1/2001 6:50:19 AM
send= sent
Maria,
I'll lay odds that after his first two or three press conferences, Dubya will challenge Reagan for the least amount of press conferences during his four year term...There must be railroad ties out there with not only more presence, but also with better skills at enunciating. ;-)
I was just kidding on the CD, but hey, if you're made out of money ..?
(yawn) Okay, that's it. G'night!
3194. theDiva - 1/1/2001 2:52:47 PM
JJ
I don't pay any attention to Billboard...but it doesn't surprise me she's doing well. Her label has packaged her as a 'sexy' act, and so she sells...kind of sad, when you think of it, that this is what it takes to make jazz recordings move.
Don
Generally you and I are one on music, but we're just going to have to disagree on La Krall. She's got a lovely voice and plays very well. The only criticism I have is that her studio recordings don't quite have the energy she displays live.
WRT KB Jazz, the main complaint I encountered about the series, even before the damned thing was made (!), was that Burns would be largely dependent on Marsalis, Crouch, etc., and wouldn't pay a whole lot of attention to free jazz, avant, etc. So I sort of have to wonder how valid those comments are...we'll see.
IAC, it's nice to see you back here.
3195. glendajean - 1/1/2001 3:04:08 PM
I heard a piano piece on my statellite "jazz heritage" channel the other night by Stephen Scott. It was the "I Love Lucy" theme song from a cd called "The Beautiful Thing."
Lovely riffs. Ever heard of him?
3196. glendajean - 1/1/2001 3:05:13 PM
From what I've heard, Burns series only goes to 1960.
3197. theDiva - 1/1/2001 3:10:30 PM
hello doll! Happy new year!
Never heard of Stephen Scott. Will keep my ears open.
WRT the Burns series, the measure of quality, for me, will be how he treats the female singers, especially Billie, and how he deals with Mingus/Monk. Billie, IMO, has never, in any jazz documentary I've seen, been given fair treatment. Too much is made of her addictions and troubles, and not enough attention is paid to her musicianship and the profound influence she has had on jazz and on singing as a whole. To a certain extent, this is also true of Monk and Mingus...even 'Straight, No Chaser', which had some fine footage of Monk live, and rather intelligent commentary, was too exploitive of his illness.
3198. glendajean - 1/1/2001 3:16:28 PM
Here's his bio from Amazon. Unfortunately, The Beautiful Thing cd isn't listed by them.
Stephen Scott
Biography
b. Queens, New York, 13 March 1969.
Having taken up piano at the age of five and been introduced to jazz in high school, Stephen Scott later took private lessons at the Juilliard School before winning the Young Talent Award from the National Association of Jazz Educators in 1986. A year later, he was part of talent-spotter supreme Betty Carter's trio, learning to "be honest", rather than "playing like my idols Wynton Kelly, Thelonious Monk, Kenny Kirkland and Mulgrew Miller", in his words. Work with Joe Henderson (Lush Life, 1992; Verve), Roy Hargrove (Parker's Mood, 1995; Verve), Sonny Rollins (+3, 1995; Milestone, Global Warming, 1998; Milestone) and the likes of Bobby Watson, Craig Handy, Victor Lewis and the Harper Brothers firmly established him as one of the music's brightest young stars), but his own albums (four for Verve: 1991's Something To Consider, 1992's Amina's Dream, 1994's Renaissance Suite, and The Beautiful Thing from the following year, plus Vision Quest - see below) demonstrate most clearly just why Carter called him "a genius". His own writing is imbued with myriad influences of his Queens childhood: reggae, salsa and soul as well as jazz, but he claims: "Monk is the foundation of most of my musical concept - clusters, and space, and all that stuff. And I like Wynton Kelly's swing feel, his ideas and how he deals with the beat." [CP] © Rough Guides
3199. theDiva - 1/1/2001 3:21:37 PM
hm....he's just a baby! But what fine taste he has in idols. I will definitely have to keep my ears peeled. Thanks!
3200. don s. - 1/1/2001 4:36:45 PM
I have two of those Stephen Scott albums, but I haven't listened to 'em in a while (the most recent is the one from 1994). I remember liking Aminah's Dream, though.
3201. JJBiener - 1/1/2001 6:48:42 PM
Maria - One of my favorite recordings is Ella's live recording of Mack the Knife. She forgets the words halfway through, but she just keeps on singing making it up as she goes. It is a fine example of a musician of her stature having a great time and not taking herself too seriously.
3202. theDiva - 1/1/2001 6:49:27 PM
Oh, yeah, on Ella in Berlin. I love that! Riv gave that to me for my birthday...just so happens I brought it with me today.
3203. labwabbit - 1/1/2001 7:16:30 PM
I believe I mentioned a young group out of Canada called Barrage earlier.
I ordered the DVD and it arrived Saturday. I had a chance to watch it yesterday. They are truly a gifted and talented group. I will not be surprised when international fame and recognition catch up to these fine young musicians.
3204. don s. - 1/2/2001 5:05:07 AM
on the subject of Billboard’s idea of jazz divas, here’s an interesting article on the phenomenon (i.e., Jane Monheit) from last Sunday’s New York Times Magazine.
(NYTimes.com registration required)
3205. don s. - 1/2/2001 5:09:16 AM
and on the subject of bona-fide soul divas, I finally got around to picking up the new Erykah Badu, and it's amazing.
3206. rubberducky - 1/2/2001 10:07:42 PM
Grammy Award Nominations Announced
i thought the most interesting category was album of the year:
Competing with Eminem for album of the year: Beck for ``Midnite Vultures,'' Radiohead for ``Kid A,'' Paul Simon for ``You're The One'' and Steely Dan for ``Two Against Nature.''
3207. JJBiener - 1/2/2001 10:35:02 PM
I can't believe that a racist, sexist, homophobic asshole like Eminem could be nominated for album of the year.
3208. theDiva - 1/2/2001 10:36:31 PM
JJ
Sadly, I can.
3209. JJBiener - 1/2/2001 10:40:14 PM
Diva - I was invited to join NARAS a couple of years ago, but since I wasn't actively involved in the business at the point I never followed up. Now I am not sure that I would even want to be assiciated with them. Ick!
3210. glendajean - 1/2/2001 11:29:56 PM
Good news! I found a cheap copy of Stephen Scott's The Beautiful Thing on e-bay's www.half.com.
I'll get it next week.
3211. JudithAtHome - 1/2/2001 11:37:10 PM
GJ:
I am loving The Soloist. Great travling companion.
3212. Electric Slide - 1/3/2001 1:12:43 AM
trolling travling trailing trialing
3213. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 1:17:21 AM
Slide:
Read it as it's spelled: trav-ling. You knew what I meant. But it's fun being corrected on my spelling by you of all people. Mr. I-Look-So-Good-In-My-Cloths.
3214. Uzmakk - 1/3/2001 1:21:07 AM
Take it to the Inferno, youse idiots.
3215. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 1:27:13 AM
Hey, we're allowed one defensive comeback! He started it!
3216. Uzmakk - 1/3/2001 1:29:32 AM
Sorry, Judith, I had forgotten the defensive comeback rule. Why don't you join me over in the Cafe?
3217. Uzmakk - 1/3/2001 1:31:48 AM
I am going to pour myself a drink in the hopes that you will join me.
3218. arkymalarky - 1/3/2001 2:33:31 AM
I'm not going to defend Eminem's personal views (except to say he's definitely not racist), but the Marshall Mathers LP is very intense and very good. And this is from a non-hip-hop fan.
3219. EricCartman - 1/3/2001 7:44:28 AM
As much of a punk as Eminem is, I'll take a hundred more like him rather than another one of these pukey pre-fab no-talent dancin'-fool boy bands.
That's what NARAS really oughta be ashamed of -- helping to pimp canned gutless hokey moony-eyed prom-night tripe like N*Stink.
I cannot believe that Aerosmith is sharing a stage with those hose monkeys come Super Bowl Sunday (when the Raiders shall smite the Vikings, once again). Steven Tyler, thy name is sellout!
Offensive trumps boring any day of the week.
3220. Electric Slide - 1/3/2001 8:31:56 PM
I hope Eminem wins for Album of the Year, but I wouldn't bet on it. He's made too many powerful enemies in the music industry. I hated his 2nd CD when it first came out but after many months of dealing with my son on the subject, I've come to appreciate it. Very honest anger.
Just used my credit card to buy another CD. At Starbucks, no kidding.
The Best of Ken Burns JAZZ
1. Star Dust (Louis Armstrong and His Orchestra)
2. Dead Man Blues (Jelly Roll Morton's Red Hot Peppers)
3. Dear Old Southland (Noble Sissle and His Orchestra featuring Sidney Bechet)
4. Singin' the Blues (Frankie Trumbauer and His Orchestra featuring Bix Beiderbecke
5. St. Louis Blues (Louis Armstrong and His Orchestra)
6. The Mooche (Duke Ellington and His Orchestra)
7. Hotter Than 'Ell (Fletcher Henderson and His Orchestra)
8. King Porter Stomp (Benny Goodman and His Orchestra)
9. Begin the Beguine (Artie Shaw and His Orchestra)
10. Cotton Tail (Duke Elllington and His Orchestra)
11. Jumpin' At the Woodside (Count Basie and His Orchestra)
12. Solitude (Billie Holiday with Eddie Hewwood and His Orchestra)
13. Groovin' High (Dizzy Gillespie Sextet featuring Charlie Parker)
14. Straight, No Chaser (Thelonious Monk)
15. They Can't Take Away from Me (Sarah Vaughan and Her Trio)
16. Take Five--45-RPM Version (The Dave Brubeck Quartet)
17. Doodlin' (Horace Silver and The Jazz Messengers)
18. Giant Steps (John Coltrane Quartet)
19. So What (Miles Davis Sextet)
20. Take The "A" Train (The Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra)
A 1/3 of the material I've never heard. But I love "Take 5" and "So What"
3221. glendajean - 1/3/2001 9:05:39 PM
Judith -- I just saw your post. You should play cello music while you are reading it.
3222. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 9:10:46 PM
GJ:
Yo!
3223. glendajean - 1/3/2001 9:24:27 PM
Back to you.
3224. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 9:59:42 PM
Yo....
3225. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 10:00:42 PM
Ma....word, that man can play!
3226. Electric Slide - 1/3/2001 10:05:10 PM
Gosh, darn it, blue rondo a la Turk. Can't you birds chatter in another thread?
This one's for us jazz heads!!!
3227. JudithAtHome - 1/3/2001 10:09:01 PM
It says Arts and Music....are you denying that Yo Yo Ma plays music or do you think we're discussing toys?
3228. JJBiener - 1/4/2001 4:47:52 AM
Judith - Do you have the CD Yo Yo Ma did with Bobby McFerrin? It is one of my favorites.
3229. anise - 1/4/2001 10:09:13 AM
~Hi JJBiener~
Just stopped in to see if anyone here has ever discussed Pre-Raphealite art in this thread. It's my favorite and I can actually say more about it than just "Ooooh, pretty picture". If it has already been discussed I will not mention it again.
3230. joezan - 1/5/2001 6:24:07 AM
Anise:
Even though I can't say that's something that would interest me, I think you might generate some latent interest among others (maybe even me) if you post some of the art you want to discuss.
It's not that hard - read the HTML Hints for Images.
Get something going!
3231. JJBiener - 1/5/2001 7:06:40 AM
anise - We have had some discussion of early art forms, but none in quite some time. I imagine there are a few people who join in.
Go for it.
3232. EricCartman - 1/5/2001 8:39:59 AM
Biener:
I meant to ask you yesterday -- what sort of new recording equipment have you acquired? Have you gone digital yet?
3233. Electric Slide - 1/5/2001 5:10:26 PM
ALBUMS OF THE YEAR
1. Silver & Gold, Neil Young
2. All That You Can Leave Behind, U2
3. Play, Moby
4. Fly, Dixie Chicks
5. Riding with the King, B.B. King & Eric Clapton
3234. JudithAtHome - 1/6/2001 12:02:45 AM
anise:
...ever discussed Pre-Raphealite art
That's one of my favorite periods...Burne-Jones and all those intense young men.
3235. JJBiener - 1/6/2001 1:57:28 AM
Cartman - My studio is now at least partially digital. I bought a new computer, 900 MHz Pentium III, 128M RAM, 40G Disk, CD-RW, DVD. I also bought an Echo Gina24 sound card/breakout box. The Gina can do 8 tracks of ADAT I/O plus 2/8 analog I/O simultaneously. Since I have an Alesis QS7.1 I can connect to its ADAT port and record directly. Also the band has access to two ADATs that we can use for recording. I am still looking at software tools.
My intention is to record the band to ADAT. Import the tracks into my computer to process them and mix them down to stereo. Push the stereo tracks back to ADAT and record vocals on the 6 remaining tracks. Take those back to the computer and mix down to stereo again. From there I can produce a red book CD. This way once I have the tracks down, I can stay in the digital realm. Needless to say, I am still learning how all this works.
For the live stuff, Mars Music had a closeout sale last weekend. I picked up a stereo 15 band EQ and a Alesis Nanocompressor. I am going to use them to punch up our vocals a bit and bring them out front more in the mix. Our singer is very good, but when the band starts rocking he has to strain sometimes to be heard. The rest of us need all the help we can get.
3236. Fraaankster - 1/6/2001 4:18:01 AM
Anyone in here a Don McClean(sp?) fan ?
Is me memory going bad, or did he actually put out two versions of Castles in the Air during the mid 70s ala the Beatle's two versions of Revolution, that is, a slow one and a peppier version ? I would like the speedy version -- the one I heard first -- if I can find it.
3237. JJBiener - 1/6/2001 5:11:17 AM
Sorry, Fraaaank. I am only familiar with one version of the Castles in the Air. I think I may have it on vinyl somewhere.
3238. JJBiener - 1/6/2001 5:13:54 AM
Fraaank - As I think about it, Don McClean did perform Castles in the Air a bit more up-tempo live. You may have heard him on television or on a live recording.
3239. arkymalarky - 1/6/2001 6:00:00 AM
Hey Frank!
The slow Castles in the Air was on the B side of a 45, I think maybe Starry Night, but I don't recall.
3240. cmboyce - 1/6/2001 6:13:27 AM
Speaking of Yo Yo Ma, I just got (for Christmas) his new (I presume) album, "Appalachian Journey", with Edgar Meyer and Mark O'Connor, whoever they be. Also with James Taylor and Alison Krauss, for one cut each.
And, lord yes, that man can play!
Anise, I'm not a terrific fan of the Brotherhood's art—I find them rather fussy, and I don't care much for their sense of the medieval either—but nevertheless, I like it that they were there. A salubrious phenomenon, they were. On thinking of it, though, I must say I haven't seen much pre-Raph work, lately—and possibly it'd be fair to say, not much ever. Their colleagues across the Channel always took my attention. Try to convert me!
3241. arkymalarky - 1/6/2001 6:21:30 AM
Mark O'Connor is a great flat picking guitarist.
3244. JJBiener - 1/7/2001 8:55:31 PM
Two posts have been deleted for inappropriate content. The poster may repost the information in less offensive terms if he so chooses.
3245. JJBiener - 1/7/2001 9:01:48 PM
Someone recently recommended David Benoit's Here's to You Charlie Brown. I want to thank him for that recommendation. I am listening to it right now, and I am enjoying it immensely. Thank you from the bottom of my ears.
3246. ChristinO - 1/8/2001 12:53:24 AM
Anise,
I'd love to see some and hear whatever anyone has to say about Pre-Raphaelite art. I think it's beautiful and find that it's a standard of beauty that I appreciate in modern real life as well-----think Gillian Anderson or Charlie Boorman from The Emerald Forest
3247. Electric Slide - 1/8/2001 3:25:35 AM
Sorry Ms. Jackson, ooooooh!
I am for real.
Never meant to make your daughter cry.
I apologize a zillion times.
3248. theDiva - 1/8/2001 2:30:45 PM
Who watched Jazz last night? Comments?
3249. PelleNilsson - 1/8/2001 5:24:32 PM
R.I.P. Les Brown.
3250. Electric Slide - 1/8/2001 5:29:14 PM
Did not. Jazz was up against the American Music Awards and Britney Spears. Burn's documentary will be on over and over again this week on PBS, and next ten.
Plastic music on ABC but fun dancing segments.
3251. lisajolie - 1/8/2001 5:32:02 PM
I was quite disappointed with the opening segment of Jazz. It's not a very encouraging start.
3252. theDiva - 1/8/2001 6:07:34 PM
Slide
I think WETA is running episode one again tonight, unless there was a misprint in the Post (a shocking possibility, I know.)
Lisa
What about it disappointed you?
3253. lisajolie - 1/8/2001 6:29:17 PM
Diva
Several things disappointed me. If you are a fan of jazz, you are aware that there are several schools, or movements, of jazz. It appears that Wynton Marsalis is going to be our guide through this series and he is quite dismissive of the 1960s avant garde and 1970s fusion movements. I fear we are in for a one-sided look at what is a rich and multi-layered history.
Stanley Crouch is a curious choice to provide commentary. His jazz writings are eccentric and sometimes bizarre. But he enjoys a relationship with Wynton Marsalis.
While Storyville is unquestionably the Mecca of Jazz, Ken Burns did little to explain the migration of jazz to the rest of the US. It is almost as if he believes that jazz started in New Orleans and migrated to Harlem. This is almost the Cliff's Notes version of the history of jazz.
I'd have liked to see a deeper examination of the influence of Acadian (Creole) music on jazz. Burns too briefly mentioned the influence of blues and only mentioned the Creole influence in passing. Both are influences which would provide a deeper understanding of jazz.
3254. theDiva - 1/8/2001 10:39:17 PM
Lisa
Yes, I'm a jazz fan and I know there are a number of phases in its history. I say the jury is still out on the rest of the show until I actually see it.
Unfortunate that no documentary mechanisms existed at that time. I'd have enjoyed complete performances by Jelly Roll and Bechet. We'll see what tonight's ep brings WRT Pops.
3255. CalGal - 1/8/2001 10:39:31 PM
I posted this in TV; should have realized there would be a discussion in this thread.
I found it much more interesting and compelling than Burns' previous effort ("Baseball"), although I don't know if it will outdo The Civil War, which had the advantage of covering a relatively short period in time.
I thought the music selections superbly demonstrated the transition and integration of various music forms into jazz. The commentary was fantastic--I was originally a bit irritated to see Ossie Davis again since, while I love the guy, it often seems as if he is intended to the the Great Granddaddy Spokesperson of All Things Black. But he spoke knowledgeably and with great enthusiasm, proving that if he is the GGSATB, it's for a damn good reason.
But this is Wynton's show. Lovely to see him getting such a well-deserved turn in the sun.
3256. theDiva - 1/8/2001 10:44:02 PM
I think the show is mainly geared towards people who aren't completely familiar with the music. It would be well nigh impossible to make a comprehensive documentary about the music because the book is still being written; and, there are limits to depth of detail you might provide - there is always the risk of losing the audience. There are also several schools of thought, as Lisa pointed out, many of which do not agree as to what is important and vital in jazz.
But as a general education piece, something to get people started, I think it served its purpose. I didn't see or hear anything new last night, but I'm certain others did.
3257. CalGal - 1/8/2001 10:44:08 PM
Now, onto Lisajolie's comments:
My assessment is as someone who enjoys listening to jazz on occasion, but I'm not knowledgeable at all. I have read more than one review that echoes your complaint about Marsalis's bias. Also, I've heard that in later episodes that white jazz musicians are given very short shrift (possibly for the same reason). From what I understand, Louis Armstrong is crowned king of jazz.
It's odd what you say about the spread of jazz, however--that was information I gleaned from last nights ep that I hadn't known before. I thought the travelling bands, along with the major impact of the first jazz recording, was how it spread from New Orleans. I figure there will be more information in upcoming episodes.
3258. CalGal - 1/8/2001 10:44:56 PM
Ha. Crosspost with da Deev.
3259. theDiva - 1/8/2001 10:45:18 PM
So what else is new?
3260. JudithAtHome - 1/9/2001 3:28:16 PM
I have a request: does anyone know the words to In The Still of The Night ? I am going crazy trying to straighten out these lines:
Or will this love of mine fade out of sight,
Like the moon? wind? ?? going down,
On the rim? bend? ?? of the hill
In the chill, still of the night.
I'm going off to work all day (gack!!!!) at the antique mall but will check in this evening...it is driving me batty. And thanks in advance!
3261. cmboyce - 1/9/2001 3:39:10 PM
Like the moon
going dim
on the rim
of a hill
in the still...
chill...
of the niiiight
3262. cmboyce - 1/9/2001 3:40:05 PM
I can do it in falsetto, too.
3263. JudithAtHome - 1/9/2001 3:46:25 PM
Oh, thanks so much, CM...I have been playing that over and over in my head and just wasn't scanning those lines properly. I woke up at 1:55am and it was running in my head; woke up again at 6:00am and it was still there. I'm so relieved now...ha!!
3264. cmboyce - 1/9/2001 3:49:59 PM
Your welcome, Judith.
Are you sure you shouldn't - ah - see someone about this - er - fixation?
3265. JudithAtHome - 1/9/2001 3:52:23 PM
Oh, it's harmless...and only happens with "good" lyrics so I'm not too worried about it. I'll book an hour with someone when I start obsessing on rap or C&W lyrics!
3266. theDiva - 1/9/2001 3:52:41 PM
cmboyce, ladies and gentlemen, LIVE in the Mote! Give him a big hand!
3267. JudithAtHome - 1/9/2001 3:54:42 PM
Deev:
YoYoMa just did music from the Crouching Tiger movie on GMA...haunting!
3268. theDiva - 1/9/2001 3:59:19 PM
ooohhhhhhh.....I love him. And the music from that movie was just lovely.
Which reminds me...a long time ago my dad made a tape for me - Pablo Casals doing Bach cello suites unaccompanied. I listened to it so much the tape stretched and now squeaks when I try to play it. Better go find the CD, huh?
3269. cmboyce - 1/9/2001 4:05:44 PM
Thank ya, Diva!
BTW, I was reminded of you when I learned this morning that WKC‰ radio here has on a midnight-to-midnight Max Roach fest. Very nice stuff. It is just astonishing the number of people he played with. Miles is on, currently, the two of 'em blasting away with everybody else out for a smoke, it seems. (Well, here comes somebody's sax.) Neat stuff. I'll be away most of the day, so I hope I don't miss Ben Webster, of whom I think there will be a lot.
3270. cmboyce - 1/9/2001 4:06:21 PM
WKCR
3271. cmboyce - 1/9/2001 4:12:30 PM
I stand corrected. It wasn't Miles; I didn't catch the name. It was Roach's own band, at Newport in 1958. The guy really did Miles' rapid-fire upper register very nicely. There was also what I took to be a trombone in its lowest register with a mute, but it turned out to be Ray Draper on the tuba! (I think we spoke of him once briefly on the old F-place.)
Now it's a ballad, with two horns and Max just barely there, but very distinctively, underneath.
A nice day on the radio.
3272. CalGal - 1/9/2001 4:20:03 PM
Deev,
YoYo Ma has a CD out of the unaccompanied suites. The most famous of those suites (the first) was also heavily featured in You Can Count on Me, a very good movie that you might still be able to catch in the theaters. It was also in a recent West Wing. Odd, for a piece I hadn't heard in years.
Do you know someone called Nina Simone, I think?
3273. lisajolie - 1/9/2001 4:25:01 PM
Nina Simone's Sinnerman is featured in the most recent The Thomas Crown Affair.
3274. Rosetta Stone - 1/9/2001 4:26:33 PM
For the record, "Heebie Jeebies" would be a good moniker for TT but it's already taken.
Still I could use "...and his Hot Five."
I saw part of JAZZ on PBS last night and loved it. Especially when those white boys from the suburbs of Chicago started hanging out with Papa Joe Oliver and Little Louie to learn all about King Oliver Creole Jazz Band.
Louis Armstrong was a gift from heaven and we're lucky to have his music to listen to.
3275. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/9/2001 4:40:13 PM
“Do you know someone called Nina Simone, I think?”
EGADS!!!
An decent review of JAZZ that talks about Crouse & Marsalis. . . [I take issue with the writer’s annoyance at giving so much credit to Louis Armstrong. ]
3276. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/9/2001 4:41:10 PM
An=A
3277. marjoribanks - 1/9/2001 5:18:49 PM
I'm enjoying the Jazz/Burns shows, with some reservations. More interesting (so far) in many ways was the Charlie Rose interview with Burns and Marsalis.
Re: In the still of the night
I have an absolutely sublime version of that song sung by, of all people, Aaron Neville. His always ethereal voice completely takes flight on it. The cut and other surprising versions of Cole Porter's songs can be found on 'Red Hot and Blue', a for-charity album put out about a decade ago.
Full disclosure: I've always really liked the neville brothers
3278. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 7:10:57 PM
WoW,
Thanks for the link to the review of Jazz. I think the reviewer looks at Burns' series from the perspective of its intended audience. While I personally agree with you about Pops, the reviewer's criticisms are generally more fair than some of the over reactions I've read other places.
I've enjoyed the first two episodes of Jazz and intend to watch the other eight. I understand the negative reactions some reviewers have had to his reliance on the Wynton Marsalis/Stanley Crouch perspective. But frankly, as a relative novice to jazz history, I appreciate the focused perspective and am intelligent enough to be able to weigh it against other perspectives as I become familiar with them.
I am as well read in Civil War history as I am not in jazz history. The Burns Civil War series did not teach me anything new, but it still held my interest because of the good job he did bringing the history to life. I suspect, especially after watching the first two episodes, that Jazz will do the same thing.
3279. theDiva - 1/9/2001 7:29:44 PM
I do believe Cal's tongue was planted firmly in her cheek when she asked me about Nina Simone.
Must read the piece the Wiz posted.
3280. CalGal - 1/9/2001 7:33:04 PM
Wuz not.
3281. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 7:36:36 PM
Diva,
Wiz's link worked for me the first time, but now it won't. Don't know why.
3282. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 7:40:14 PM
Recently tried to see Nina here in LA but the show sold out immediately and we couldn't even get tickets at the door on the night of. We even crossed a riotous picket-line to make the attempt. The best I could do was name my dog after her which would probably NOT amuse the lady.....but you never know. My dog is very cool.
3283. theDiva - 1/9/2001 7:45:36 PM
"A hybrid opus like this - one that's sure to omit some connoisseur's pet player or all-time favorite solo - has already aroused jazz elitists to take up arms against "Jazz." Burns has been scorched for what they have perceived as his failure to measure up to their own Platonic ideal of the perfect jazz documentary."
Riv
What'd I tell ya? Oh, and try the link one more time, I had no problem with it.
3284. lisajolie - 1/9/2001 7:51:06 PM
Burn's Civil War series was a fine documentary because the narration and commentary was provided by the actual words of participants and Civil War historians. It captured the essence of the conflict from the "big picture" down to the effect on the common man and woman.
Baseball was a disappointment in that Burns tended to use commentary from laypersons who have little or no connection to the game. This was a real lost opportunity since many of the actual participants and witnesses to events are still alive. I like Billy Crystal and Stephen Jay Gould but I'd rather hear from a Ralph Branca as to what pitch he threw to Bobby Thompson. I'd rather hear from stories from Babe Ruth's teammate than a sportscaster who was born after Ruth had died. It also suffered from a lack of attention to the state of baseball today.
Jazz might serve as an introduction to those who are not fans. But it is a rather simple and condescending introduction. After two episodes, one is no closer to answering the question, 'What is jazz?'
3285. theDiva - 1/9/2001 7:52:31 PM
Lisa
Remember what Pops said in answer to that question? 'Man, if you have to ask, you'll never know.'
3286. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:02:08 PM
Lisa,
Simple is a fair description. And it can be a weakness or a strength depending on how you cut it. I don't get "condescending" however.
Diva,
The still does not work for me. But thassok - got to read the review the first time it worked.
3287. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:03:11 PM
IAC, WRT my impression of the second episode....
again, disappointed at the lack of actual live performances. I do love that Wynton is there and able to demonstrate what he is talking about in terms of trumpet sounds/effect.
***DISCLAIMER***
I am a huge Wynton Marsalis fan, both the musician and the man, but particularly the man. Without going into details, he once did a very great kindness for someone I love very much, and for that he earned my lifetime devotion.
***END DISCLAIMER***
okay, so anyway. Painful to see the lynching pictures....and I wish, wish, wish there were more performances (I said that already). Nice to see Lester Bowie in there, hope it's not the last time.
3288. lisajolie - 1/9/2001 8:03:18 PM
theDiva
Precisely. We got a similar answer from Marsalis in the first installment. Crouch intimated that jazz was merely a state of bliss which the black man used to take his mind off the injustices of the day.
Jazz is a complex subject. But it deserves a better explanation than a wink and a grin.
3289. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:03:59 PM
Make that, The link still does not work for me.
3290. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:05:36 PM
Riv
How about now?
3291. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:05:50 PM
I may be naive in assuming this, but perhaps the definition of jazz is going to be developed over the course of the series rather than distilled down into a few sentences.
3292. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:08:36 PM
Diva,
Won't load from your link either. Maybe my server is ignoring their server. Musta forgotten a birthday.
3293. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:08:37 PM
Lisa
Diva is okay, nobody uses my title. Anyway, we'll see what the conclusion is at the end of the series, I suppose. I'm just happy the topic is getting this much attention from PBS during a non-pledge drive season.
3294. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:08:55 PM
Riv
Sigh.
3295. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 8:11:59 PM
I've been expanding my pitifully small knowledge of Jazz listening to the local public jazz station. On Saturday mornings I get about 40 minutes of Nancy Wilson's show featuring a different jazz artist every week. It's great to hear the interviews with all of these old musicians who talk about playing back in the day or working with Louis Armstrong etc.
Sundays is Riverwalk from San Antonio and then all week long its various and sundry constant jazz with a couple of blues hours.
I'm starting to get a feel for what I like and don't like but I don't know enough yet to be able to name much of it or even always tell you what era it's from or how old.
3296. lisajolie - 1/9/2001 8:12:23 PM
theDiva
Please don't misconstrue my disappointment with Jazz as being a condemnation of Marsalis. He is arguably the best horn since Davis and he has worked tirelessly to make jazz more accessible, particularly to children.
When Marsalis first came on the jazz scene, he was over-rated and more of an adequate interpreter than an innovator. That is no longer the case as he has matured and found his own voice and style.
I do find the rigidity of Marsalis to be irritating but that is more of a political issue. His talent as a musician and artist should not be questioned.
lisajolie
3297. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:13:10 PM
cm
Didn't mean to ignore your post WRT KCR and Max. Two comments:
1. One of the few things I miss about living in NY is WKCR. Years ago, before Gracie was born, I taped a parts of their 24-hour long Billie special. Great stuff, still have it. Wish my RealPlayer worked a bit better, I'd tune in over the web.
2. I love Max Roach. Two recommendations for your library, if you don't already have them - 'Money Jungle' and 'Jazz at Massey Hall'. On the former he plays with Duke and Mingus; the latter, with Bud Powell, Bird, Diz, and Mingus. Must-haves.
3298. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 8:13:33 PM
Oh, just curious, does anyone know if they ever choreographed a ballet to Duke Ellington's Nutcracker and if it might be on video somewhere?
3299. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:17:23 PM
Lisa
Oh, I'm not at all. I just figured it would be sporting of me to mention since we've just met...Riv already knows, we are fellow jazz junkies from way back (cyberspace-wise). And you are spot-on as to his strengths. What most people, such as you, see as rigidity I happen to love, but that's just me being a J and agreeing with him, too.
Christin
You've made a good start, and you know what you like. Given what you've told me you enjoy, I'd say you've got good ears.
3300. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:27:12 PM
Wynton Marsalis' rigidity would not irritate some people so much if it was coming from a person with less talent and, just as important, less knowledge. The strength of the negative reactions some have to him is a testament to his importance.
Lisa, the fact that you acknowledge his talent and his efforts to encourage young musicians puts you several steps ahead of most others who are irritated, or downright annoyed, at his rigidity.
3301. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:31:07 PM
Riv
"Lisa, the fact that you acknowledge his talent and his efforts to encourage young musicians puts you several steps ahead of most others who are irritated, or downright annoyed, at his rigidity."
You got that right. Downright refreshing, ain't it?
3302. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 8:33:56 PM
Deev,
I think I'm going to have a problem with "fusion". Maybe I haven't heard the right artists but something I was reading recently listed Pat Metheny and Kenny G as fusion jazz artists and while Metheny is certainly not deserving of the AutoSlap™, his stuff can still sound a bit.....well....cheesy or lounge-lizardy to me sometimes.
3303. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:38:25 PM
Diva,
Refreshing, yes.
I can't remember if Wynton said this last night or if I read it somewhere, but one of his standards for judging what is jazz and what is not is: If it swings, it could be jazz. If it doesn't swing, it can't.
I know that definition requires more explanation, but I've always found it helpful.
3304. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:39:26 PM
Christin
I'm going to be an elitist jazz snob here and say that Kenny G. may be a musician but he is not a jazz musician. No matter what his dumb-ass record label says. And I don't know all that much about fusion so I can't comment on Metheny other than to say I've heard some nice work from him (don't have any of his recordings, though)...and he wrote a very long article excoriating Mr. Gorelick for his presumptuous appropriation of Pops' work. I think I posted it here about 6 months ago.
3305. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:39:36 PM
The only thing fusion about KG should be his lips shut.
3306. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:41:38 PM
Riv
Well, yeah. And it's amazing what swings...your ears get tuned to it. I suppose I am lucky in a way, having listened to this music all my life I am never unsure as to whether I am hearing jazz. If that makes sense, gramatically and otherwise.
3307. theDiva - 1/9/2001 8:42:34 PM
I'll borrow from Eddie Condon to comment on Mr. Gorelick:
He really makes his horn talk...mostly it says 'please put me back in my case.'
3308. Rivendell - 1/9/2001 8:51:02 PM
Diva,
I mentioned it because it explains, for me at least, why he doesn't consider fusion to be jazz. Apparently even Miles did not consider it jazz. (I realize you already know these things, I'm just explaining my comments.)
I dug out the copy you gave me of Sweet Swing Blues on the Road. There is a transcript of a conversation he had with a group of students about "what is jazz" that could be worthwhile commentary on what we've said in here.
And I'll cop to being an elitist snob WRT KG too. (could you guess??)
3309. theDiva - 1/9/2001 9:09:50 PM
oh, I love that part of the book!
And I've been accused more than once of being a jazz snob because I don't like Kenny G. Oh well.
3310. rubberducky - 1/9/2001 9:21:34 PM
from the gawd-go-away-department:
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pop superstar Michael Jackson will perform with his brothers on an upcoming reunion album, the first collection of new material by the singing siblings in more than a decade, his publicist says.
The self-proclaimed "King of Pop" will appear on two or three tracks of the album but has not yet gone into the studio for the project, spokeswoman Cheri Fein told Reuters.
...
Jackson, who will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist in March, currently is working on a new solo album for Epic Records, his first since the two-disc "HIStory" release in 1995, she said.
That release is expected out later this year, according to an Epic spokeswoman.
No details of the as-yet untitled Jackson reunion project were immediately available.
3311. CalGal - 1/9/2001 9:23:49 PM
So I'm not supposed to know who Nina Simone is?
I got a compilation of blues songs from my sister, and she sings "Trouble in Mind", which I quite liked. I was just wondering where she is in the scheme of things.
Our PBS station showed a special on Ella right after the first night of the Jazz series. I've always thought she had the most glorious voice in the world.
3312. janjon - 1/9/2001 9:24:38 PM
how could anyone be accused of being a snob because they don't "like" KennyG.
His so-called music is like milk that has gone beyond curdling.
3313. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 9:25:42 PM
I don't like him either. To think that Kenny G and "The Wave" nearly made me think I just couldn't get a handle on jazz. The Wave is LA's modern light jazz station. Some of the stuff is okay but mostly it sounds like musak to me.
I'm having a great time with this station. I think you can even find it on the web at KLON.org although I don't think you can listen to it online....maybe you can. I can't believe I haven't checked.
Ooooh! I can play something! Check it out:
www.klon.org
3314. PsychProf - 1/9/2001 9:29:03 PM
Barry Manilow, Kenny G, Mitch Miller, maybe Ray Conniff for a change....oatmeal to PP. It's all I listen to...over and over and over...
3315. theDiva - 1/9/2001 9:30:23 PM
Cal
Seriously you didn't know about Nina Simone? I'm sorry, I thought you were joking. I think Christin is more knowledgeable about her than I am....IAC, she's still working, became active in the 50s as a jazz/R&B artist a la Dinah Washington, and in the 60s became very active politically as did her music. She's got a fine smoky contralto. I quite like her.
3316. theDiva - 1/9/2001 9:34:05 PM
oh, and that Ella special is wonderful. Just what I like in a jazz documentary, tons and tons of live performance.
3317. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 9:49:26 PM
Cal,
Nina Simone is bad-ass. I often refer to her as the angriest black woman in the world.
She's from Tryon, North Carolina where my grandparents had a home. My dad took piano lessons from her instructor. Mrs. Mazursky or something like that. My grandfather actually bought the piano that she played as a student there for my father to practice on.
At any rate she trained at Julliard as a Classical pianist and has some of the best arrangements of standards around. She felt that she got a really raw deal with a lot of the tunes she cut because they were actually made famous by white guy bands. The Animals in particular made it big with a couple of her tunes that hadn't been picked up.
I forget when exactly it was but she eventually became disgusted with America and her reception here and relocated to France where she was much better appreciated.
Some of her signature tunes are
Pirate Jenny from Brecht/Weil's Three Penny Opera
Wild is the Wind
N'Me Quitte Pas
Mississippi Goddamn
Love Me Or Leave Me
Four Women
Black is the Color of My True Love's Hair
I Hold No Grudge
Her voice is powerful but she often doesn't have a good control of it and will go flat if she sings too hard. It's sometimes manly and her vibrato can be huge but it's an incredibly expressive and passionate voice. Her artistry as a pianist and arranger are sublime. She's not ever been a peaceful woman but I think her music would have suffered for it had she been less firey.
3318. theDiva - 1/9/2001 9:52:27 PM
Man, I love Mississippi Goddamn. But my favorite is Drop A Little Sugar in My Bowl.
3319. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 9:56:56 PM
Oh my yes!
I'm also fond of In the Dark, My Man's Gone Now and her rendition of Strange Fruit.
3320. lisajolie - 1/9/2001 10:05:31 PM
I mentioned it because it explains, for me at least, why he doesn't
consider fusion to be jazz. Apparently even Miles did not consider it
jazz.
I'm curious as to why you think this, Rivendell.
Bitches Brew, Big Fun, Get Up With It are all examples of fusion. Some of the bigger names in fusion (McLaughlin, Zawinul, Cobham, etc.) were sidemen for Miles Davis on these albums.
lisajolie
3321. CalGal - 1/9/2001 10:30:58 PM
Christin,
Thank you kindly. Exactly what I was looking for.
Deev,
My knowledge of jazz is spotty, albeit deep in certain areas. My father listens to a lot, but he has little interest in history and wouldn't be much interested in Nina Simone.
3322. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/9/2001 10:32:22 PM
Riv & Deev - Here is a new link to The Hartford Courant / CT-NOW
Click on “The Arts” in the left-hand margin and look for: “The Music As A Life-Force In American History By OWEN McNALLY
The Hartford Courant.” Owen is a good friend of Jackie McLean who heads the Jazz Program at the university here.
FWIW DEPT: I adore Louis Armstrong and I still would pick him for THE MAN of the Twentieth Century if for nothing other than the pure joy he brought into existence and how it has affected and healed countless moments in countless lives.
As far as Nina Simone and an earlier mention of Diana Krall, I didn’t like Diana Krall at first because I couldn’t get used to her timing, but the more I listened, the more I became impressed with her individuality and musicianship. Her Let’s Face The Music And Dance is flawlessly arranged and executed. She was featured at a local jazz festival here and she seemed pretty mellow (in a drugged up, Billie Holiday kind of way), but her work didn’t suffer at all.
As far as pure joy, (and sadness for that matter) only Satchmo could equal Nina’s versions of My Baby Just Cares For Me, Exactly Like You and on a sad note, I Loves You Porgy.
I have trouble with the self-indulgent and overly discordant post-bebop elements of jazz. I’m looking forward to seeing how Burns & Company handle it. In the visual art world I refer to it as post-audience art.
As if Hitler or Einstein could come close!
3323. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/9/2001 10:35:46 PM
” As if Hitler or Einstein could come close! ” was intended to be after “The Man of the Twentieth Century.”
3324. ChristinO - 1/9/2001 10:43:11 PM
Wiz,
The last line of Four Women where Simone screams out "My name is Peaches!" can bring tears to my eyes every time. The rawness of suffering that she imparts, the hard edge of fury, the wry cynicism none of which impedes her tenderness in such songs as Little Girl Blue or the joy of My Baby Just Cares for me, all just astound me with the range and versatility of her expression. I think it's one of the reasons she didn't hit bigger than she did --- hard to label her and find a marketing niche. It should be a crime that we limit the sucess of our artists in such a manner. I just hope I get another chance to see her perform live.
3325. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/9/2001 11:19:55 PM
Alas Christin, the world is run by labelmakers — unfamiliar with the wine inside!
3326. Rosetta Stone - 1/9/2001 11:22:19 PM
I'm in heaven. I'm listening to James Taylor sing "The Water is Wide" from his most excellent CD "New Moon Shine."
3327. don s. - 1/10/2001 2:55:34 AM
Apple's new iTunes software is pretty cool. It serves as a control panel for playing audio CDs on your computer, searches the CDDB for track info, lets you rip MP3s from your CDs, plays MP3s, lets you convert MP3s back into CD audio tracks ... it has replaced four different apps I used to use.
The first thing it did when I started it was search all of my hard drives for MP3s — it found a ton, some of which I had forgotten I had.
And it's FREE! Of course, you need a Mac running OS 9.0.4 or later. AND if you happen to have one of the new Macs with a built-in CD-RW, it will burn audio CDs for you. (Soon, Apple promises it will work with most 3rd-party CD burners.)
Currently it's running thru some of my MP3s. For some reason a few months ago I downloaded all of The Doors' first LP from Napster, and I was just treated to "Back Door Man." It garners my nomination for Most Unconvincing Blues Ever Recorded.
3328. CalGal - 1/10/2001 2:57:39 AM
I don't like New Moon Shine much--haven't liked a Taylor CD in a long time. But his version of Water is Wide is lovely, and I like that Lucy song.
3329. don s. - 1/10/2001 2:58:58 AM
Ooh, now iTunes is playing my cache of Elis Regina MP3s.
God bless Napster!
3330. Fraaankster - 1/10/2001 3:51:38 AM
Don,
What was it that Steven Jobs introduced yesterday ? MSNBC teased me all late afternoon about it, and at the end, gave me nothing.
... Oops. I forgot what the "MS" stood for. Nevermind.
What to do, what to do ? Buy a new MAC, or go to Paris for a well needed vacation ?
3331. don s. - 1/10/2001 4:02:41 AM
The major things Jobs announced (we were watching the satellite feed at work):
1. Speed-bumped single-processor G4s (up to 733 MHz). Jobs did the perfunctory Photoshop speed test against a 1.5 GHz Pentium 4-equipped PC. The Mac smoked the Pentium machine. Like there was any suspense on the stage at MacWorld.
2. The 733 MHz G4 will come equipped with a "Superdrive," which will play Audio CDs and Video DVDs (as well as use CDs and DVDs for data retrieval, as well, of course) and write data and audio CDs, AND (here's the amazing bit) write data and video DVDs -- i.e., DVDs that you can pop into your basic DVD movie player.
3. This G4 will also come bundled with basic DVD authoring software. Or you can buy their new "professional" DVD authoring software for $995. The 733MHz G4 costs $3,499. I don't want to tell you what our Dept. just spent on DVD authoring software and hardware, but it was a lot more than $4,500. Yeesh.
4. A new 1-inch thick G4 Powerbook with a titanium case. It's the smallest, lightest, most powerful Powerbook yet.
Do I sound like an Apple flack? Heheh. Most of this stuff is Apple playing catch-up, but the DVD authoring stuff is truly revolutionary.
3332. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 4:41:57 AM
Don S. - I am glad you are so happy about the Apple announcement. To me the $3500 price tag is a bit on the steep side. I just bought a pentium based system for doing audio production for less that half of that. I suppose if you need to do DVD production the G4 would be the choice. I just don't know anyone who needs that.
3333. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 4:42:12 AM
Threes please
3334. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 5:01:21 AM
lisajolie,
You said, I'm curious as to why you think this, Rivendell.
Bitches Brew, Big Fun, Get Up With It are all examples of fusion. Some of the bigger names in fusion (McLaughlin, Zawinul, Cobham, etc.) were sidemen for Miles Davis on these albums.
If by "this" you mean why do I think Miles Davis did not consider fusion to be jazz, then first - the thought is not mine. I was paraphrasing Wynton Marsalis. I mentioned, in a previous post, a book Marsalis has written called Sweet Swing Blues on the Road. If you will pardon some cuttings from the book then Marsalis can explain it for himself. What follows are my chosen selections of a longer transcript of Marsalis’ conversation with a group of students.
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How can I start listening to real jazz?
Buy these CDs. Jelly Roll Morton, The Pearls. Louis Armstrong, Hot Five and Hot Seven. Count Basie, The Complete Decca Recordings. John Coltrane, Crescent. Charlie Parker, The Complete Dial Recordings. Miles Davis, Kind of Blue. Thelonious Monk, It’s Monk’s Time. Duke Ellington, Far East Suite. Ornette Coleman, The Shape of Jazz to Come.
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3335. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 5:02:10 AM
What do you think about European jazz?
If it’s swinging and has some blues in it, I love it.
No, I mean the free style of improvisation.
Many musics have improvisation, so it is possible for musicians to improvise without playing jazz. Are they trying to swing?
No, but it’s not always necessary to swing.
In jazz it is always necessary to be able to swing consistently and at different tempos. You cannot develop jazz by not playing it, not swinging or playing the blues. Today’s jazz criticism celebrates as innovation forms of music that don’t address the fundamentals of the music. But no one will create a new style of jazz by evading its inherent difficulties.
Who determines what jazz is?
Those who can best articulate its identity on bandstands.
So all the avant-garde musicians and critics are wrong and you’re right, huh?
No, the musicians are right, they know they’re not playing jazz. Anthony Braxton, Cecil Taylor, Art Ensemble of Chicago, Steve Coleman, David Sanborn, Miles Davis - when he was still with us - have all said, repeatedly, that they don’t play jazz and don’t want to. It’s the critics who insist that their music is jazz.
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3336. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 5:02:51 AM
Your definition of jazz is too narrow.
Who isn’t included in it?
Lester Bowie, electric Miles Davis, [by this I assume the student was referring specifically to works like Bitches Brew], M-Base.
All those gentlemen have said they don’t play jazz. Why disrespect their wishes by insisting that they’re wrong?
Oh.
Do you still think my definition is too narrow?
Yes
Why?
Everybody says so.
Oh.
You said there was no such thing as European jazz.
I said you can’t form a branch of a tree by ignoring the trunk.
3337. theDiva - 1/10/2001 3:40:49 PM
My favorite moment in last evening's installment:
The story of Sidney Bechet's peccadillo over chord changes. I nearly fell off the bed laughing (well, except the part where the innocent bystanders got hit.) Wynton - 'he was gonna shoot somebody over some chord changes!'
My least favorite moment:
When the narration persisted over Ethel Water's 'Am I Blue'. I wish there was more attribution of the tunes being played, and less use of the tunes as background.
Most resonant moment:
When Artie Shaw talked about playing jazz and hitting that groove where the feeling is better than anything, even better than sex. I've been fortunate enough to feel that a few times as a weekend warrior singer (Riv, remember my 'Ride On, King Jesus' Palm Sunday story?)...Shaw's comments brought into sharper focus why so many jazz musicians persisted (and still do) against the hugest of odds.
3338. lisajolie - 1/10/2001 5:23:46 PM
Poor Artie. You have to feel sorry for anyone who says that something is better than sex.
Rivendell
Thank you for Marsalis interview. I must respectfully disagree with Marsalis. So much ego in those double-breasted suits; he really ought to stick to being an artist.
3339. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 6:11:57 PM
lisajolie,
You're welcome. Interesting, I have the exact opposite reaction to him. IOW, he doesn't seem, to me, overbearingly egotistical at all. At least not any more so than any other talented successful performer. But then, I don't know him personally and so my emotional response to his personality is worth what it is worth.
What I find useful about his definition is the clearly defined standard he articulates. It helps me to understand those who disagree and it helps me to form my own opinion.
In my native art form I find that while I mostly disagree with everything Bertolt Brecht said about how/why theatre works I still appreciate Brecht's willingness to stick his neck out and be specific.
3340. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 6:14:05 PM
Diva,
I remember your story and know what you mean. I haven't been fortunate enough to have that experience performing music. Came close while running a light board a few times, but don't know if that is close to the same thing.
3341. lisajolie - 1/10/2001 6:20:41 PM
Rivendell
The artistry of Marsalis is immense and I respect his gift.
However, I think that is condescending pronouncements as to what and what isn't jazz is overbearing. Particularly when he seems to be incapable of defining it except in analogies.
In the case of Brecht; he certainly is thought-provoking but he isn't making judgements as to what is and isn't theater.
3342. theDiva - 1/10/2001 6:28:38 PM
Lisa
No, not at all, poor Artie! I understood completely what he was saying (plus, he was married five times, so his romantic life probably gave him more hell than his music ever did.)
There is a certain feeling you get, as a musician, when everything you are trying to say comes out just right, and the other musicians around you are doing the same thing, and it all comes together to create the most perfect, transcendent moment imaginable. I've had it only a few times as a singer, and as I remarked to Riv in an e-mail recounting one particular incident, I felt as though I needed a cigarette after (and I quit smoking 16 years ago). The only way I can describe it is to say it is matchless exhiliration and almost like the most perfect orgasm you ever had.
And don't ever tell my husband I said that.
3343. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 6:34:57 PM
Lisa - How can you say 'poor Artie'? What a gift to be able to experience something even better than sex. That is something very few people ever experience.
3344. theDiva - 1/10/2001 6:35:49 PM
JJ
Do you understand what I'm saying? Has this happened to you at all?
3345. seadate - 1/10/2001 6:39:31 PM
Reminds me ...... I had a friend's wife tell me my Banana's Foster is better than sex -
haha
3346. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 6:40:20 PM
lisajolie,
As with any analogy, it isn't perfect. I was referring to Brecht's willingess to be specific, my nearly complete disagreement with him, and how that helps me clarify my own thinking. Whether or not he was saying what is and is not theatre is irrelevant to the analogy. It is relevant to why you think Marsalis is overbearing.
3347. theDiva - 1/10/2001 6:42:02 PM
Wiz
Thanks for that link.
I can't possibly quibble with what you've said about Pops. Love him to death.
WRT Billie...she wasn't always torchy and mellow. Check out her 'Songs for Distingue Lovers', recorded in 1957, or any of the stuff from the 30s. Her voice is firmer in the 30s recordings, of course, because she was younger and healthier...there's this incredible youthful exuberance to them. 'Songs' has a nice swing and bounce to it. You can hear the maturity of her craft in every number even though her voice, never very strong, has deteriorated a touch. Ben Webster and Sweets Edison are on this record, and they sound great with her (can't remember the rest of the personnel.)
3348. theDiva - 1/10/2001 6:43:00 PM
seadate
sounds like your pal has Relationship Issues.
3349. lisajolie - 1/10/2001 6:44:13 PM
At the risk of being snippy, "better than sex" is a cliche.
lisajolie
3350. seadate - 1/10/2001 6:47:37 PM
Diva - no doubt about it!
We were cooking for a party of 30-40, so a lot of people heard her keep verbalizing her preference to this dessert ... he was there and was laughing as hard as anyone - maybe they just can't cook.
3351. lisajolie - 1/10/2001 6:49:36 PM
Rivendell
If I surmise correctly, you have experience in the theater? If so, you can surely provide a reasonable definition of theater.
Can you define jazz?
lisajolie
3352. theDiva - 1/10/2001 6:50:28 PM
anyway, time for my next meeting. Later.
3353. theDiva - 1/10/2001 6:51:23 PM
p.s. Riv, are you at home or at work?
3354. seadate - 1/10/2001 6:52:24 PM
Hell, there have been mornings that waking alone has been far better than sex 'cause I didn't have to deal w/ the associated baggage .... of course, the other prospective participant may agree (g)
3355. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 7:09:14 PM
lisajolie,
Yes, but I also think theatre or, to be specific, live performance of a dramatic work, just happens to have some clear cut lines that make it easy to define the difference between it and a movie - the form that is superficially very similar.
It would be much more difficult for me to define performance art (and am not even sure I would want to try).
So I am assuming, perhaps naively, that defining jazz is not as easy as defining the difference between live theatre and a movie.
3356. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 7:59:56 PM
Diva - Do you understand what I'm saying? Has this happened to you at all?
Yes, absolutely and yes, on occasion. It is similar to what people describe as being in the zone. It is that moment when everything is working just right for the band and the audience, and everyone is just consumed by the music. When this happens musicians discover that passages that were difficult to perform suddenly flow effortlessly. The people in the audience feel like the beat of the music is the beating of their own hearts. It is awesome and powerful and far, far too rare.
3357. theDiva - 1/10/2001 8:04:04 PM
JJ
Exactly. Exactly.
3358. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 8:06:30 PM
lisa - Can you define jazz?
FWIW, I can't adequately describe love or beauty but I know what they are. I can't describe jazz, but I know what it is. I agree with you that for Marsalis to be making comments about what is and isn't Jazz is a little silly. AFAIC, fusion is Jazz every bit as much as bebop, cool, modern, avant guarde, or even Dixieland. Kenny G is not Jazz. He is pop and not very good pop at that. He is to Jazz what John Tesh is to death metal.
3359. seadate - 1/10/2001 8:09:06 PM
Big Kenny G fans liked "Survivor".
3360. lisajolie - 1/10/2001 8:12:52 PM
JJBiener
I agree that Kenny G and John Tesh are abominations to music in general. However, I think jazz is a definable musical form. I think Burn's Jazz does a disservice to its viewers by treating the definition as an inside secret.
It is complex but if you recognize it, you can define it.
3361. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 8:27:02 PM
Lisa - You may be right. Someone may eventually be able to define Jazz, but I haven't heard a workable definition yet. I saw an old jazz player talking about it one time. He said, "It's simple. Jazz is music that has swing." The interviewer said, "What is 'swing'?" "Well, if you have to ask that you won't understand." You see the problem.
I have read a lot of books on Jazz and seen a lot of attempts to define it, but they all fall short. While I don't particularly care for Burns' approach to Jazz in the mini-series, I can't fault him for trying to define Jazz by example.
3362. JudithAtHome - 1/10/2001 8:29:24 PM
I may not be able to define but I know it when I hear it.
3363. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 8:29:57 PM
Speaking of performance art, I had a new experience last night. A friend of mine asked me to come with her to support a friend of hers in a dance/talent competition. The catch is that the competition is for Nude Showgirl of the Year. Yep, full nude, exotic dancing. I'd never even been to a topless bar before, but we gathered our group together and off we went.
I'm not a prude by any means but I did expect to be a bit uncomfortable. I was quite surprised by the club itself----very well maintained, clean and with plenty of staff to protect the girls should that be necessary. They serve no alcohol because it's against the law to have full nudity and alcohol so at least they don't have to worry about drunks. Anyone who drinks is going to be tanked before they get there and barred from admittance.
There were 15 contestants in all and they started off with an evening gown competition followed by swimsuit and then their performance. I learned that you cannot judge the ability of the dancer by how well she walks in her shoes. There were only four girls who handled the Platform Shoes of Death with grace and seeming comfort and only two of them could dance. On the other hand there were other girls who didn't walk well in the shoes but danced tolerably well or even very well.
cont.
3364. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 8:31:18 PM
cont.
There were really only three girls who's performances are worth mentioning in detail. The first started off slowly with some langorous Geisha routine and a fan which she didn't handle all that well. Once she got out of the movement confining robe she was a very good dancer and I was amazed at her acrobatic skills on the pole. I don't mean lewd bump and grind stuff but true body-sculpture kinds of poses suspended in the air. It was quite beautiful although I was a little taken aback by some of the poses which are occasionally gynecological in nature. Apparently it's a necessary part of the performance since the patrons have sacrificed their booze.
Then followed two incredibly boring girls who didn't do much other than prance around and roll on the floor.
cont.
3365. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 8:32:46 PM
cont.
The fourth girl's set was a fire hydrant and a dog dish and she popped out of a gift-wrapped Christmas box body-painted to look like a Dalmation puppy. Of course she danced to "Who Let the Dogs Out" which was a hit with the crowd, but on top of that she was fantastically atheletic. Walkovers and flips and hand-stands and this wild butt-thing that I'm still in awe of. You know how male body-builders make their pecs dance? She could do that with her butt muscles. It was really funky looking because she had a hand-print painted on each cheek so it made it look like her butt was waving. Her most amazing feat yet though was a phenomenal death drop that she did on the pole. She climbed up about 15 feet into the air, turned up-side down, spread her arms and swan-dived face-first at the stage stopping her fall with her legs when her face was less than six inches from the floor. Honest to god everybody in the joint stopped breathing because they thought she was really going to miss. Anyway she ended her routine and exited the stage to riotous applause.
Then followed five incredibly boring girls that we wished we could Gong but had to suffer through. One of them went for the "pour water over my silicone body" routine but she just couldn't move and she wasn't entertaining. Two of them looked like they were on 'ludes and all of them had too much fondness for 80's rock a la Eddie Money and Loverboy.
Then came the girl we were there to support. She had a fairly elaborate set-up and entered dressed as a wizard. Her dance was choreographed to evoke the casting of a spell and she actually did her strip-tease while suspending herself from the pole. It was quite a feat. At the end of the spell she triggered a fall of glitter and a brief scrim drop behind which she turned into a dragon.
cont.
3366. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 8:33:14 PM
cont.
She reappeared wearing a magnificent set of wings and proceeded to do dragon dance. She ended her routine in a full layout on the pole perpendicular to the stage-floor which was a really stunning look with the lights she'd had designed.
Then followed three incredibly boring girls etc. etc. We didn't stay until the very end having given our loudest cheers as we were meant to do and pretty sure that we'd seen the best that there was to see. The odds weren't good that any of the last three girls would be so fabulous we'd be sad we missed them.
I'm waiting for my friend to call me today and let me know who won. The first girl we saw was hands down the sexiest mover and her pole work was the most elegant and beautiful. The Dalmation girl was far and away the most spectacular performer as far as energy and athleticism. Not really sexy at all but an incredible dancer. The Dragon was inarguably the best concept and the most theatrical. She was the most expressive with her movement and the show she presented was sensual if not exactly sexy.
Looking over at the judges---all young men----I wondered what they'd be looking for and how they would judge. I think my friends and I would make great judges, but who knows? Maybe we don't look for the same stuff guys look for although the guys who were with us agreed with out choices for who was the best. Maybe they were humoring us, though. You never know exactly in a situation like this.
3367. theDiva - 1/10/2001 8:38:07 PM
my my. I wonder if any of those girls would say performing 'in the zone' can be better than sex.
3368. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 8:43:32 PM
Christin - That was some description. I suppose now would be the time for the off-color remarks and crude jokes, but since we already know them all, I hope we can just skip that part. I have been in a couple of nude bars, but I never saw anything like what you described. I am sure it was interesting.
3369. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 8:45:07 PM
Unfortunately, for many girls in that business, performing "in the zone" IS sex. Most of the really good talents don't appear to rely on that kind of thing. They tend to be involved in other kinds of dance and exhibition contests like fitness and bodybuilding rather than prostitution, but the lure of the money can be very strong.
3370. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 8:49:01 PM
JJ,
Oh, I don't mind the off color remarks. You know my mind skates merrily along the kerb waiting to jump to the gutter at the first opportunity!
It really was an interesting experience and I don't mean interesting in a weird uncomfortable way. I never really felt uncomfortable last night. Granted we were not sitting particularly close to the stage, but unlike most movie strip clubs I've seen there was not a lot of whooping and hollaring and lewd talk from the slavering male audience. There was honest crowd appreciation and it certainly wasn't a family show, but there was a pride of performance and presentation from the girls and a certain amount of respect for that from the audience members that I hadn't expected.
3371. theDiva - 1/10/2001 8:51:10 PM
Chris
It does sound interesting. I wonder how she did that butt-wave thang. Flexing I guess.
3372. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 8:56:01 PM
Yep, the girl could flex all right. It was like her butt cheeks weren't even attached to her body. She had one of those big round bubble butts but it was all muscle underneath so she got a lot of movement out of it. I think she was likely a gymnast at some point in her life.
3373. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 8:59:43 PM
She'd be a big hit on a Mardi Gras float.
3374. JudithAtHome - 1/10/2001 9:01:31 PM
I watched some of G-String Divas on HBO and one of them could do that flexing thing...she was verrrrry physically fit!
3375. Rivendell - 1/10/2001 9:03:52 PM
lisajolie,
At some point you are going to have to stop toying with our emotions and give your definition of jazz.
I'll pass on the attempt since my command of the vocabulary of music is akin to the proverbial tourist who knows enough of the native language to order lunch and get his face slapped. My musical knowledge is limited to being able to read a vocal score (or my kids' piano lessons) and to occasionally playing the harmonica when I want to annoy the neighbor's cat.
3376. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 9:15:03 PM
Judith - I may not be able to define but I know it when I hear it.
I was trying to avoid that quote because of its negative connotations. It is essentially true of Jazz.
Of course, we would never be so presumptuous as to make laws on that basis.
3377. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 9:20:32 PM
Chirstin - Oh, I don't mind the off color remarks.
I generally keep my off color remarks in private where they can have the desired effect and I don't get my face slapped.
You know my mind skates merrily along the kerb waiting to jump to the gutter at the first opportunity!
Well, when you do just look before you leap in case I'm there ahead of you.
I can't imagine what that would have been like for you. I know I would not have a good time at a male strip club.
FWIW, a good friend of mine is dating a stripper. I told him I would like to meet her, but the only condition is that I not meet her where she works. That would be just too weird for me.
3378. theDiva - 1/10/2001 9:38:42 PM
to occasionally playing the harmonica when I want to annoy the neighbor's cat
you really have got to stop tormenting your brother-in-law. Or are we talking about the guy whose cows walk across the front yard?
3379. JJBiener - 1/10/2001 9:43:28 PM
Riv - She'd be a big hit on a Mardi Gras float.
It sounds like she'd be a Mardi Gras float all by herself.
BTW, you up for lunch in the next week or two?
3380. theDiva - 1/10/2001 9:49:43 PM
i wanna go.
3381. PsychProf - 1/10/2001 9:51:23 PM
They'll be playin Kenny G stuff, ya know...
3382. theDiva - 1/10/2001 9:53:56 PM
don't EVEN.
3383. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 10:31:01 PM
JJ,
I was actually far more comfortable at this club last night than the joint we went to for another friend's bachelorette party. It was far less raucus---lack of alcohol--- and despite the nudity it was actually less crude overall. I wasn't embarassed for most of the women performing last night, nor was I embarassed for the audience members. Watching the Hollywood Men I was both. I think this is due mainly to the club's atmosphere and the tenor of the show but it may also be because I don't expect to become sexually interested in watching naked women prance around so I feel less vulnerable than if I were watching men.
As for your friend's new flame you may be right, but I'd be just the opposite. If I thought I was ever going to be in the position of having to see her at work I'd rather have that be my first exposure to her rather than getting to know her and then having her take her clothes off. It's one thing to become friends with a stripper, it's another thing entirely to watch your friend or your friend's girlfriend strip if you catch the difference I'm trying to make.
3384. Rosetta Stone - 1/10/2001 11:12:52 PM
Since my loyal readers want to know what I'm listening to, here goes: Just one CD in the car, coming and going. Traffic jams are no problem today.
"Solid Air" by John Martyn. (Island Masters)
He wrote "May You Never" and "Go Down Easy." I just love his voice and acoustic jazzy guitar. A heavy drinker/drug user, he never became a star but this album is a keeper.
3385. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/10/2001 11:17:59 PM
3347. theDiva
Thanks for the “edjugkayshun” Deev — I’ll check her out. Do you have the CD compilation of Armstong & Holiday? If so, what’s your opinion of it?
BTW, I’M now dancing in a women’s strip club . . .
3386. ChristinO - 1/10/2001 11:31:12 PM
Ooh-la-la!
3387. Rosetta Stone - 1/10/2001 11:47:18 PM
I protest to the host. Please remove WoW political graphic(s) to the political threads.
3388. Jenerator - 1/10/2001 11:53:24 PM
I've been in a greatest-hits mood lately. In my car at the moment:
Thompson Twins greatest hits
Duran Duran " "
Barry White " "
Sade " "
Patsy Cline " "
The Cult " "
Book of Love " "
Michael Jackson " "
3389. seadate - 1/11/2001 12:02:52 AM
Sting
Allman Bros
J Buffett (Lost count how many)
Stan Getz
Gilberto
Basia
Stevie Ray
Chet Atkins and Mark Knopfler (sp?)
Dan Fogelberg
Collective Soul
Andrew Lloyd Weber tunes
Lotsa Tchaikovsky
3390. JJBiener - 1/11/2001 12:03:00 AM
Jenerator - Your lists demonstrates how relative the term "greatest" really is.
3391. Jenerator - 1/11/2001 12:15:00 AM
JJ,
Duran Duran has been around since the early 80s, they're legends by now!;-)
3392. Rivendell - 1/11/2001 12:27:04 AM
JJ,
Sorry about not responding sooner. I'm working at home today and so have to get on and off our only phone line.
Yes, lunch in the next week or so would be great. It'll have to be after next week though. I will be out of town from mid-week until Saturday, 1/20. Do you still have my office phone number?
Diva,
Wish you could come too. In your honor we could go to the sushi bar. The last time we were there the background music was Mr. Gorelick's interpretations of soundtracks from ninja movies. Or we could go someplace where they have deep fried ravioli abominations for appetizers.
BTW - nothing annoys the neighbor with the cows. But I'll keep trying.
And if you think my brother-in-law, or his cat, can hear me playing through those thick walls of his house then I need to talk to you about a bridge I'm selling.
3393. JJBiener - 1/11/2001 12:30:36 AM
Jenerator - Ah, the legend of Duran Duran. It's funny. I remember their videos more than I remember their songs. I think it is interesting that the phrase "greatest hits" can be applied to Duran Duran and Patsy Cline and have it mean such different things.
3394. Jenerator - 1/11/2001 12:33:37 AM
To me, they're one in the same. If "Girls on Film" has sold five million copies and "Crazy" has sold four million copies, why not call them both a greatest hit?
3395. JJBiener - 1/11/2001 12:37:33 AM
Riv - I just checked, I do have your office number handy. Let's shoot for the week of the 22nd. I'll let you choose the place.
BTW, the band is playing out on the 20th and the 27th. We are at the Corner Bar in St. Charles on the 20th and Porky's Backyard in Maplewood on the 27th. If the gig at Porky's goes well, we will likely play there a couple of times in Feb. as well. If you and your lovely wife would like to come out, we would love to see you there.
3396. JJBiener - 1/11/2001 12:40:47 AM
Jen - You can call them both "greatest hits" but it is only relative to their own material. I don't think in 40 years you will find Hungry Like a Wolf covered 47 times by other artists. It was just that disconnect that I was commenting on.
3397. theDiva - 1/11/2001 2:01:34 PM
Wiz
Don't have the Billie-Pops thing, though I do have her complete Decca which includes them doing You Can't Lose A Broken Heart and My Sweet Hunk O' Trash. Sublime.
Riv
Well, I figgered sound traveled far out there in the sticks. (Jim has a cat?)
3398. glendajean - 1/11/2001 3:19:56 PM
Alas, I've missed all the "Jazz" programs. There was an interesting opinion piece in today's NY Times from the president of Nonesuch Records about how jazz audiences are built.
And I did receive my cd of "Beautiful Thing" by Stephen Scott (see last week). I wish I could share snippets of it here.
3399. JJBiener - 1/11/2001 9:45:04 PM
Deev - I am listening to John Pizzarelli, Kisses in the Rain. His voice is so-so, but he plays guitar well. The CD has Ray Kennedy on piano. That man know how to play. I don't think I would recommend it if Ray weren't there, but with Ray it is definitely worth a listen.
3400. Fraaankster - 1/11/2001 9:59:43 PM
( Frank starts to listen to Duran Duran's A View to a Kill from the Decade CD after reading JJ's post on Duran Duran )
...You can call them both "greatest hits" but it is only relative to their own material. I don't think in 40 years you will find Hungry Like a Wolf covered 47 times by other artists. It was just that disconnect that I was commenting on.
JJ,
Duran Duran was/is one of many bands of that era that refuse to be relugated to the scrapheap of "has beens". A lot of those early 80 bands still command a great deal of airplay on many stations across the country along with their songs finding new life in compilation CDs. Many bands have reunited, and I would greatly suspect that their return to the stage has a great deal to do with their music's popularity. After all, would you pay to see the Captain and Tenille on tour ?
Along with their colorful, sexually risque videos to anchor their catchy rifs, Duran Duran had something many pop bands lack today -- creativity and originality. You might not see their songs covered by many artists in 40 years, but I'll bet the house they will outlast anything InSync, The BackStreet Boys, or the Dixie Chicks contribute to the music scene...I don't know what it might say, but I can actually sing or hum many of Duran Duran's songs. I don't know if I can say that about anything from those other three ?
Incidently, place Girls on Film on my ever growing list of catchiest intros. That speedy camera powerwinder(?) in the beginning is da bomb. :-)
Is There Something I should Know ?
...Mouth is alive,juices like wine
and I'm hungry like a wolf...
That doesn't do anything for you, JJ ?
3401. Fraaankster - 1/11/2001 10:01:26 PM
This is planet earth
ba,ba, ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-bop...
3402. JJBiener - 1/11/2001 10:18:15 PM
Fraaank - After all, would you pay to see the Captain and Tenille on tour?
Just for the record, you couldn't pay me to see Captain and Tenille.
You might not see [Duran Duran] songs covered by many artists in 40 years, but I'll bet the house they will outlast anything InSync, The BackStreet Boys, or the Dixie Chicks contribute to the music scene
You don't set your sights very high, do you? I don't see much difference between Duran Duran and any other homogenized, pasturized, generic pop band. They may have had a couple of catchy tunes, but there was no real meat there.
I am not trying to be a music snob (but I'm probably being one anyway). If you like their music and you enjoy listening, more power to you. Any music is better than no music at all.
3403. Fraaankster - 1/11/2001 10:31:06 PM
I wasn't trying to convert you, JJ. I envy and respect your wide range of music knowledge, but I think you missed it -- Duran Duran was/is not anything like the pre-fabrications that exist today ! Even as the music novice that I am, I can see the vast difference twixt that of a Duran Duran tune, and one fron any of those aforementioned examples I used. If melodic tunes are the bench test for a good tune, then Duran Duran has those bands beat by long way, particularly in durability.
And, no, you're not being a snob.
Woman you want me, give me a sign
And catch my breathing even closer behind...
3404. JJBiener - 1/11/2001 10:43:07 PM
Fraaank - You may be right re Duran*2. I just haven't seen it.
3405. Fraaankster - 1/11/2001 11:05:05 PM
JJ,
I remember talking to a Miles Davis fan friend of mine once about his trumpet playing, and I still remember him distinctly mentioning something about listening for something that isn't there, or to expect the unexpected in his playing.
As I listen to A View To A Kill for the umpteenth(sp?) time in the last hour, and key on the drumming of that particular song, I can't help but wonder if that's what he meant when he was refering to Miles Davis -- listen for the unconventional, the unexpected change of gears or tempo, so to speak. Not owning anything by Miles Davis, I wouldn't know for sure if that's what's going on here, but this drummer knows his shit. Just like the original drummer of Sly and the Family Stone, or the one of Three Dog Night, this guy's drumming piques my curiousity. I don't think any of those "bands" I previously mentioned have that kind of talent -- I don't.
...Don't pay any attention to me. I don't know what I'm trying to say or convey.:-(
3406. ChristinO - 1/11/2001 11:20:48 PM
I can think of several great bands/performers who don't get covered by other artists:
Steely Dan
The Beach Boys
Crosby Stills & Nash
Fleetwood Mac
Frank Zappa
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
Michael Jackson
They certainly have no limit of multiplatinum recordings, but for whatever reason their tunes remain theirs. You might hear a cover version at a live venue somewhere, but you don't hear other big name artists covering their tunes on albums. It's got less to do with the quality of the music or the band than the flavor of the tune. Some tunes are just meant to be spread around. It's why they become standards. I don't think that only standards are great music, however, or that only those who made a standard popular or happened to write the standard are great musicians.
While you may not care for the style of Duran Duran I think it's certainly worth recognizing that they've been around and actively producing music for over 20 years. They were a cutting edge band in the 80's New Wave scene but unlike most of the bands from that era they didn't quit evolving when day-glow got old. They lack the versatility of a band like U2 but they've more than paid their dues when compared to such corporate phenoms as NSync or Britney Spears who don't even write their own songs.
3407. seadate - 1/11/2001 11:32:22 PM
Heart
Fogelberg
Neil Diamond
Joe Walsh
Allman Brothers
Jimmy Buffett :)
Sting
3408. ChristinO - 1/11/2001 11:46:44 PM
Seadate,
Nobody but nobody sings like Nancy Wilson from Heart.
3409. Rosetta Stone - 1/12/2001 12:09:42 AM
CD Heard in my Car This Morning:::"The Definitive Sarah Vaughan" from Ken Burn's Jazz collection.
"The way you hold your knife. The way we danced to three. The way you changed my life. No, no they can't take that away from me..."
3410. arkymalarky - 1/12/2001 3:22:47 AM
Speaking of who gets redone by other artists, I grimaced when I heard Hootie and the Blowfish redo the great "Use Me Up," but when it came on the radio as we began our commute this morning I told Mose to watch Bob's reaction, and I was right. We should have put the barf bag in the car.
3411. Jenerator - 1/12/2001 8:03:49 PM
ChristinO,
Slayer came out with a killer Beach Boys album remmake. Good stuff. Also, Tony Bennett covers all of Aerosmith's hits.
You'll need to borrow these awesome cd's from Bubba.
P.s. Frank, I agree with everything in #3400!
3412. Rosetta Stone - 1/12/2001 10:33:56 PM
For Christmas my son was given a $25 Tower Records gift certificate from his uncle. Today he used it to purchase the latest Green Day CD. (ugh)
Because I let him drive to the store (he now has his drivers' permit) he gave me the extra $10 on the plastic credit cart certificate to get anything I wanted.
I picked Joni Mitchell's "For the Roses" at $9.49. To me, it's part of the trinity of classic Joni Mitchell CDs.
We already own the other two:
1. Blue
2. Court and Spark
3. For the Roses
3413. Fraaankster - 1/12/2001 11:44:53 PM
Jen,
Well, I'm glad we agree on something...I think ?
Since we're discussing recent music purchases for the moment, I just came back from Music Trader a few minutes ago with three new additions to my ever expanding and eclectic CD collection. I bought Jay & The Americans Greatest Hits, Wild Thing( A compilation CD of 20 60s hits), and last but not least, Herb Alpert and The Tijuana Brass Foursider
Here's a simple little uplifting diddy from Jay for those still in search of that special someone ( A couple of sexist lines in it, but considering when it was written and released ..?):
I want her
I need her
And someday, someway, I'll meet her
She'll be kinda shy,
and real good looking too
And I'll be certain she's my girl by the things she'll like to do
Like walking in the rain,
and wishing on the stars up above
And being so in love
When she's near me,
I'll kiss her
And when she leaves me
I'll miss her
Though sometimes we'll fight
I won't really care
I know she's gonna be alright,
cause we've got so much to share
Like walking in the rain,
and wishing on the stars up above and being so in love
(Joanie)
No, no, she'll never do
(Peggy)
No, it isn't her too
They would never (never)
No they'd never (never)
Never, ever, lo-o-o-o-o-ve walking in the rain
And wishing under stars, or being so in love
Walking in the rain
(snif)
3414. arkymalarky - 1/13/2001 2:27:47 AM
Rose,
I never developed the fondness for Joni that my husband has, but Miles of Aisles is probably his favorite album ever, and early in our relationship we listened to it many times.
3415. joezan - 1/13/2001 3:13:38 PM
3416. arkymalarky - 1/13/2001 5:46:58 PM
You can argue about whether Eminem's music is any good, and you can look at that issue within the broad spectrum of music as a whole, or the narrow spectrum of his particular genre. But the value of music isn't based on the content either way, and neither he nor any other artist of any stripe has any obligation whatsoever to be a role model for anybody.
As far as the racial argument put forth in that particular article, it's ridiculous. It's kind of interesting, though, that this is a white artist under a label owned by a black man instead of the other way around.
3417. joezan - 1/14/2001 12:11:24 AM
Arkymalarky: world's oldest Eminem fan.
3418. Rosetta Stone - 1/14/2001 12:31:28 AM
I love it when a NEA teacher calls M&M "an artist." It explains so much about the union maiden mindset.
This is an age in which one cannot find common sense without a search warrant.
3419. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 1/14/2001 1:16:31 AM
> But the value of music
isn't based on the content either way
Eh?
3420. Rosetta Stone - 1/14/2001 1:16:40 AM
Dixie Chicks' special on NBC right now.
Everyone get happy!!!
3421. joezan - 1/14/2001 1:19:13 AM
XTC:
No value judgments allowed.
Good Music is whatever anyone decides it is...blah, blah, blah blah.
Get used to it.
3422. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 1/14/2001 1:23:37 AM
Barfical nonsense.
3423. joezan - 1/14/2001 1:43:07 AM
See - here's what rots my socks.
If a couple of White kids - heck...a couple of Black kids - were to go out and beat a gay guy to death, and they happened to be devout fans of Mr. Em, just let someone assert that it was very possible that listening to Mr. Em's homophobic lyrics over and over again played a role in the crime, and people like Arky'd be coming out of the woodwork to defend Mr. Em's right to foment hate in the name of "artistic expression".
But if the murderers happened to belong to a conservative Christian church, and it was discovered that at one time they heard their minister say that homosexuality was a sin...
3424. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 1:46:41 AM
That's not what I said. The content of the lyrics (as in controversial, offensive, etc.) has nothing to do with the quality of the music. That's like saying the end of Ulysses is bad literature.
Marj likes Eminem--ask him why he likes him. If you haven't actually listened, it's hard to understand any defense of the music, but I didn't just run across Eminem while I was trying to increase my hip-hop collection. I saw his first videos, which piqued my curiosity about him, especially "Role Model." Then I heard "Stan" (a great song, and I don't just say it for the title), and "What I Am," and bought the Marshall Mathers LP, and it has some really great stuff and he has some interesting perspectives in addition to that.
And Joe, you and Rose really know how to hurt a gal.
And PS, you hush up anyway, Rose, because you like him too.
Mose doesn't listen to him, though she has been somewhat exposed through friends, but I agree with MM on one thing, that parents should keep more of a tab on what their kids are doing rather than expecting the world to change because their kids happen to live in it.
3425. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 1:49:20 AM
"and people like Arky'd be coming out of the woodwork to defend Mr. Em's right to foment hate in the name of "artistic expression"."
Conservatives oversimplify everything. Could it be because they are overly simple?
You have me wrong there, Joe, because I don't believe in censorship and I don't believe in trying to shuck individual responsibility onto anyone else.
3426. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 1:50:59 AM
Dadgumit, I was so agitated I copied the wrong part.
3427. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 1:55:12 AM
PS--one can appreciate the artistic value (or argue the lack of it) and still find some of the author's personal beliefs abhorrent. The misogny I don't know about--some of it's obviously satire, and some of it's obviously directed personally at the women in his life. His homophobia is indefensible and in every way real, in addition to his apparent misconnection of homosexuality and pedophilia.
3428. joezan - 1/14/2001 1:58:22 AM
It has nothing to do with individual responsibility.
The youth culture is saturated with this kind of crap, and one might as well sift water as try and make sure one's kids are not exposed to it. The kids who are most exposed to Mr. Mathers' "music" are those who, curiously enough, are supposed to be protected from it by the mighty content warning sticker.
Past the age of 16, his appeal wanes dramatically.
(Uh - no offense intended, Arky and Marj).
3429. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 2:03:46 AM
Yes, but that doesn't impart any responsibility on him for making the music he wants to make.
3430. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 2:06:38 AM
And fwiw, he's not a Marilyn Manson type who's looking for new gimmics to shock people with. He's sincere and serious about what he does, and part of what he does is let those who are closer to my age see a product of society that's scarier than any Marilyn Manson idiot and a lot more pervasive.
3431. joezan - 1/14/2001 2:08:05 AM
Oh no. None at all. No one should ever be expected to act like a responsible adult. His right to make the music he wants - and his company's right to market it - trumps all else.
Just like gun manufacturers - who make and market their product with no intent that their product ever be used to unnecessarily harm anyone.
3432. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 2:15:38 AM
Look Joe, we're talking about art here (and I would agree that the quality is debatable). I do not believe an artist, performer, athlete, or anyone else with a talent who exercises expression of it, has any moral obligation to anyone regarding content.
3433. joezan - 1/14/2001 2:19:12 AM
Fair enough.
That's why you're a liberal, God help you.
3434. joezan - 1/14/2001 2:21:32 AM
Oh - and now that I think of it...
What in the world is the significance of this:
Marj likes Eminem--ask him why he likes him....???
Marj still smokes pot, so I'm sure he just listens to eminem to annoy his parents.
3435. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 2:22:30 AM
Ofercryinoutloud. Per your example above, do you think Christian anti-gay groups should be responsible for the violent actions of those who listen to them?
3436. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 2:23:21 AM
The point of that was that there is at least one other reasonable adult in this forum who finds something of value in the music.
3437. joezan - 1/14/2001 2:33:36 AM
Certainly... if it can be shown that a person committing a crime was directly influenced by some such group.
But here's the reality:
When Matthew Shepard was murdered, I saw Katie Couric, with my own two eyes, suggest - no - assert that his murderers had committed the crime because Christian fundamentalists such as Jerry Falwell (who is admittedly an idiot, but never even came close to suggesting - not even in a "fantasy" rap song - that anyone do any harm to them) had been on TV a lot lately talking up the Marriage Defense Act and talking down gays in the military.
Imagine - just imagine - the outrage, were she to suggest that such a crime was influenced by a gangsta rapper.
Now, aside from my point, the point the article I linked to was making was that eminem presents just such a target - because he's White.
And I think even you would have a tough time disputing that - like his music or not.
3438. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 2:47:04 AM
"Certainly... if it can be shown that a person committing a crime was directly influenced by some such group."
Why?
Regarding the article's point, Eminem himself says basically the same thing, but he's also selling a lot more records and getting a lot more attention from MTV, etc. But the criticism of black rappers has been around a long time, and NWA and Public Enemy did get a lot of attention for their lyrics.
3439. joezan - 1/14/2001 2:55:51 AM
arky:
NWA and PE received nothing like the attention Em is getting for his lyrics. In fact, if anything, the controversy over even Ice T's "Cop Killa" opus was presented, more often than not, as a free-speech issue, whereas with eminem, the overwhelming opinion is that he's just some punk cashing in.
And as for this: He's sincere and serious about what he does... - I suggest you ask his mom, whom he has portrayed in his songs as a crack ho, but who calls him a liar.
3440. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 3:01:20 AM
I know--and I think his hatred of his mother is sincere, and his hostility toward his wife.
WRT NWA and PE, they didn't get near the play-time that Eminem's gotten. The radios and MTV find ways to play him, though sometimes it's kind of reminiscent of the old Martin Mull "Mmm-mmm" song, where he replaced every bad word and reference with humming, until of course by the end the song was nothing but a long hum with a few interesting context words in it.
3441. joezan - 1/14/2001 3:07:00 AM
So...he's a sincere liar?
Conservatives oversimplify everything. Could it be because they are overly simple?
And liberals try to make brain surgery out of everything - including rap music - which is about as moronically simple as it gets.
Could it be because they are overly anal?
3442. joezan - 1/14/2001 3:08:01 AM
WRT NWA and PE, they didn't get near the play-time that Eminem's gotten.
Nonsense.
3443. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 3:12:54 AM
What do you mean nonsense? They didn't get played on the radio like Eminem, at least not here (which occurs to me might be very different from where you live, but still....)
And who says he's a liar besides his mother? Even if he is it's irrelevant to my point.
3444. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 3:48:41 AM
If you don't like Eminem, then you won't feel any guilt about listening to one of his songs off of Napster. If you listen to "Who Knew" it sums up his view on his music about as well as anything--that and "The Way I Am."
3445. joezan - 1/14/2001 4:14:16 AM
I'm talking here, MTV, everywhere.
When I was more directly involved with juveniles, I tortured myself watching MTV all the time. After about 1988, rap was a mainstay; by a couple of years later, gangsta rap was all over MTV and the radio. Sure - the swearwords were bleeped out, but that only made kids even more intent on getting the CDs.
And the point about his lying is just that - how sincere can you believe someone to be who makes up horrid stuff about his mom (and his stories have been disproved - just like Vanilli Ice). He's a wannabe, and all this crap about his terrible upbringing is meant to give him street cred.
The whole thing reminds me of a couple of speakers I spent half a day listening to at a conference in Lansing about 7 years ago, during the height of the gang craze. Father and son team - the son (by then 20 and, according to him, out of the gang) claiming to be the only white kid ever allowed into some notorious Detroit street gang, and the father a 25-year Genessee County Sheriff Dept. veteran who, through dogged determination and underground contacts, finally manages to rip his son from the hell of gang life. But not before the son is hunted down for a year, and finally agrees to submit to a ritual beating, possibly to the death, by several members of the gang, in exchange for his freedom. Had several law enforcement types in the audience sniffling, they did, while I - and every Black cop in the audience smirked along, but politely kept our mouths shut.
I happened to be sitting with several Detroit probation officers, who had never seen or heard of the kid, and who claimed to know every one of the members of the gang he claimed to belong to, and further said that there was about as much chance of a White kid being allowed into that gang as there was of a Black guy being allowed into the mafia.
Heh - "street cred". Gimme a break.
3446. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 4:22:41 AM
"(and his stories have been disproved - just like Vanilli Ice). He's a wannabe, and all this crap about his terrible upbringing is meant to give him street cred."
Do you have a cite for that? Your post is the first I've ever read to that effect at all.
3447. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 4:23:16 AM
Again, though, that's irrelevant to his music.
3448. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 4:26:14 AM
And besides all that, his backers in the business would refute the argument that he's a wannabe. I don't know anything about him having been in a gang.
3449. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 4:27:05 AM
Until you actually listen to him specifically, it's all going to be about generalizations anyway.
3450. joezan - 1/14/2001 4:43:58 AM
Time magazine - I dunno...three months ago? - said there is no evidence his mother was a drug addict, or that she abused him, etc.
Again, though, that's irrelevant to his music.
But very relevant as a response to your assertion that He's sincere and serious about what he does, and part of what he does is let those who are closer to my age see a product of society that's scarier than any Marilyn Manson idiot and a lot more pervasive.
It may never be proven, but I believe the guy is just plain fullacrap. Sure - there are White kids growing up on the streets. Sure - some of them are in gangs. But contrary to what you see on TV and in the movies, there are no integrated gangs out there. Eminem is singing strictly about what he believes to be the Black reality - but no one's gonna buy gangsta rap from an outsider. The difference between Vannilli Ice and Eminem is their management - VI was making money for a white record company, and so presented a threat to the "real" rap establishment - so he was attacked by them with the same arguments I'm making against Em.
Eminem is a puppet, not a prophet.
3451. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 4:48:44 AM
Again, listen to him--until then you're only looking at background and generalizations from the critics. In the first place, his rap isn't gangsta rap.
3452. joezan - 1/14/2001 5:07:25 AM
That is where his music, for the most part, gets pigeonholed. Probably because he talks so much about killing women and stuff, I dunno.
And yes, I have heard him. Not a lot, but more than I care to hear. And I'm sorry, but he inspires in me not a whiff of the revelatory thrall you seem to be under. What part of the seamier underbelly of the human condition is it that you were unaware of before the distinguished, highly gifted Mr. Em opened your eyes?
3453. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 5:20:28 AM
"And I'm sorry, but he inspires in me not a whiff of the revelatory thrall you seem to be under."
Oh Pish. Just because I can defend his talent doesn't mean I'm enthralled. Listen to the two songs I mentioned and see what you think. Bob hates rap of any sort, and I'm no fan myself at all, but he thought some of his music was intense and good, as well.
"What part of the seamier underbelly of the human condition is it that you were unaware of before the distinguished, highly gifted Mr. Em opened your eyes?"
It's more what I recognize, and it's also an appreciation of some of the characters and different aspects of his own character that he reflects in his music, even if it's unpleasant. Besides, you ought to like him for his view of Clinton and his "activities," if nothing else.
3454. joezan - 1/14/2001 5:26:52 AM
Well, I've always said that even in the scummiest of the scum, there is some flicker of goodness and decency.
3455. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 5:32:40 AM
Hahaha! The first step toward conversion. I knew the Clinton reference would get to you.
3456. joezan - 1/14/2001 5:40:31 AM
Ok - I'm sold.
Maybe I can convince him to write a song about killing Hillary in time for the '04 primary.
3457. joezan - 1/14/2001 5:41:31 AM
That's a joke, btw.
3458. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 5:51:46 AM
Riiiight--that's exactly what eminem says. Actually he's already sung about ripping Hillary's "f'ng tonsils out."
3459. joezan - 1/14/2001 6:05:48 AM
Freakin' media - that's why they hate this poor guy!
3460. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 6:21:16 AM
See? I tried to tell you he was just misunderstood, and you go calling me a liberal and all.
PS--I'm not defending his expressed views on politics or social positions at all, in case anyone misunderstood me.
3461. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/14/2001 5:42:55 PM
Diva- Thanks for response above.
I’ve gotten hooked on a Cape Verdean artist, called Boy Gé Mendes. His latest CD is called “Noite de Morabeza” and there isn’t a bad cut on it — soulful, haunting Afro-jazz — very danceable and very sexy as well.
3462. Jenerator - 1/14/2001 6:02:14 PM
I was actually watching Mtv yesterday.
Anyway, there was a special on about women in videos and a lot of attention was given to Brittney Spears. People on the street were asked what they thought of her new skimpy clothes/stripper persona. Half liked it, the other didn't. Those who didn't were concerned with the influence she has had on the younger girls. Which I can definitely attest to as fairly bad. Unless of course you want your nine year old to wear thongs.
Then they asked music personalities what they thought of her.
*EMINEM* said that he didn't like his daughter watching her because she was giving the wrong message.
????
3463. JudithAtHome - 1/14/2001 6:09:33 PM
Well, he's right even if you think he's doing the same thing. I see little Britney-sluts every day...and I don't think they're a "good" thing.
3464. Jenerator - 1/14/2001 6:18:30 PM
Judith,
Oh, I definitely agree. I have seen the effects of Ms Spears on my soon to be nine year old step daughter (and all of her friends), but I just think it's hypocritical and weird for Eminem to be worried about her, when he's such a source of negativity!
3465. JudithAtHome - 1/14/2001 6:21:20 PM
I know nothing about the guy but he's still a father and entitled to be worried about his kid...even Michael Irving worries about his kid, I would guess.
3466. arkymalarky - 1/14/2001 7:04:23 PM
I do a number of things I don't want Mose doing. It's not hypocritical to parent your child, and part of that is realizing that some things aren't for kids even though you as an adult engage in them.
As long as I controlled the money I controlled what Mose was exposed to, and it wasn't hard to make MTV or Brittney Spears (I guess Madonna would be more accurate for Mose's childhood) or anything else just unavailable. That's a parent's job (and decision), imo, and I'm sorry some kids don't have parents or have bad parents and it's convenient to hang their social problems on the times and mores instead of--or even in addition to--where it rightly belongs; but those who moan about what's out there while letting their kids buy the stuff and watch it and listen to it don't have much grounds for complaints. As far as trends go, that's always an issue when children interact with other kids.
Mose is sixteen now, and she's gone through phases of musical interest, but never anything that I felt was a bad social influence on her (musical influence is another matter entirely), and if she had her music collection would have been pretty slim since I wouldn't have funded it. Her tastes are growing much better as she matures because she's a musician herself, but I never griped about what was out there for her to listen to when she was younger.
3467. Rosetta Stone - 1/15/2001 12:12:45 AM
Mote has an exclusive. A world exclusive. Big time. JJ's thread doesn't deserve it but, hey, I've got a big heart.
Here are the lyrics of Andrew Weber's gift to America. A song for the Inauguration that my daughter's choir will help sing Thursday evening at the Lincoln Memorial to President Bush and Vice President Cheney. She's going to get out of school tomorrow and Wednesday to go to the Kennedy Center to rehearse with the other performers. She already acting like a diva. Why, you ask? I've got to buy her more clothes.
It's an Irish melody, she tells me, having listened to a tape of it. The lead singer is coming in from England tomorrow to practice with the kids. (BTW, second daughter is not allowed to join the group.)
From her notes, these are the lyrics:
LET US LOVE IN PEACE
Dream about a day when we'll be
Calm, serene, completely care-free
Just for fun_____think of one____ordinary day.
Ask yourself what it would feel like.
Dream the dream with all of your might.
Close your eyes___visualize___just one normal day
(Chorus)
Time to find out who we are
Time to find our lucky star.
Time for all our pain to cease
We'll love in peace.
Just imagine no more violence.
No more bombs, the sound of silence.
Time to be___you and me, __time to love in peace.
Days of hope so calm and tranquil
Private moments to be thankful
On our own___left alone___free to love in peace.
Time to simply sit and breathe
Time to learn how to believe.
And give thanks for our release____to love in peace.
3468. ChristinO - 1/15/2001 12:32:41 AM
Arky,
It seems like there's a whole nation of parents out there sending their kids alone to the grocery store who then want to turn around and sue Hostess, Inc. because the kids are dying of malnourishment from subsiting on Twinkies.
If they're too lazy or too stupid to parent their own children then what in the world makes them think they're qualified to parent me and my children by telling us what we can and can't listen to or see or read?
Where's my bullwhip?
3469. JJBiener - 1/15/2001 12:41:20 AM
Christin - Put down the bullwhip. We play nice in here. . . . Wait a minute, you aren't dressed in a leather mini-skirt, spike heels and fishnets, are you. No, don't tell me. It will only lead to disappointment.
Ahem, We always paid strict attention to what our daughter watched and listened to. She was not allowed any R-rated movies (unless we saw it first and approved it) or any parental advisory CD (same conditions). Once she turned 16 and showed that she could be responsible picking her own entertainment we allowed her to make her own decisions.
She hates Eminem. A lot of her friends listen to him, but she won't. The thing that convinced her was one of his songs putting down gays. Her favorite uncle is gay, so she takes those insults personally.
3470. arkymalarky - 1/15/2001 12:43:46 AM
Exactly.
3471. arkymalarky - 1/15/2001 12:45:37 AM
Woops! That was to Christin's post, of course.
3472. arkymalarky - 1/15/2001 12:47:51 AM
Well, Exactly to JJ's post too, except the first paragraph. Not that Christin wouldn't look great in that getup.
3473. ChristinO - 1/15/2001 12:49:31 AM
JJ,
Sorry, thought I was in the inferno for a minute there.
(deep breathing
iiiiiinnnnnn.......
ooouuuuuut......
iiiiiinnnnn.......
ooouuuuuut........)
okay, much better.
I went to see Save the Last Dance the other day and while it's not super mature there were still kids in their with their parents that I thought were too young for the film. It says PG-13 for a reason folks. 3 or 5 or 9 isn't 13. Granted there is a minimal amount of swearing and no nudity but there are mature themes and there is more violence in it than I feel appropriate for young children. I just don't understand people sometimes.
3474. Fraaankster - 1/15/2001 12:54:18 AM
How's this or a role-model ? The other day I witnessed a woman to be about in her mid 30s with a seven(?) year old in tote nearby, push a whole cart load of baby formula ( Hot black market item here, and I would suspect in other regions also ) out a grocery store without paying for it. The daughter noticing this asked her frantic mom, Mom, we haven'tpaidfor it...
I wonder if she shields her daughter from Eminem ? Ya think ?
3475. ChristinO - 1/15/2001 12:56:13 AM
Just goes to show you that "morality" means to many people "whatever suits my mood at this particular moment".
3476. Fraaankster - 1/15/2001 1:03:57 AM
...or pocketbook.
That kid's got a great future lined up for her I tell ya...
3477. don s. - 1/16/2001 5:34:53 AM
I'm currently listening to Eminem downloaded from Napster ... next I will share it with the neighborhood children.
I call that the Biener trifecta.
3478. joezan - 1/16/2001 5:52:41 AM
See what I mean?
Don S. still smokes pot, too.
3479. don s. - 1/16/2001 4:16:50 PM
I never inhaled.
3480. lisajolie - 1/16/2001 4:53:21 PM
Does anyone share an interest in .mp3? I'd like to see advice on sites other than Napster as well as where to find the best prices on flash memory.
lisajolie
3481. Rosetta Stone - 1/16/2001 4:58:39 PM
"I am Shelby Lynnes"
After nine years in Nashville living off bar tips, a star is born.
3482. Fraaankster - 1/16/2001 6:46:27 PM
In keeping with posting my latest music purchases, the other day while browsing around Borders, I found a CD of a band which I had previously thought never warranted enough sales to warrant CD status. It's a San Francisco band from the early 80s named,Wire Train. It should arrive today.
There's just two songs -- TWO -- from the early 80s that I cannot find, in either vinyl or CD which are causing me to pull my hair out -- Damn it, I know they exist. Somewhere ?
Psss, Deev. You were right. Borders is generally less expensive than CDNOW.
3483. theDiva - 1/16/2001 6:55:39 PM
Better customer service, too.
3484. ChristinO - 1/16/2001 7:05:28 PM
Frank,
Wire Train was a very cool band. What songs are you looking for that you can't find?
3485. Fraaankster - 1/16/2001 7:27:11 PM
Chris,
I looked for them in a couple of used record stores in both London and Paris, and came up with zilch the last time I was there. Someone might have it on Napster or MP3, but knowing nothing about that technology yet, and resisting as much as I can, I wouldn't know how to access them if they were there.
Band:Maurice and the Cliches
Song:Hardsell, Softcore(?) Not too sure on the title, but I'm certain of the band. Only the long version beginning with the young woman speaking in French will do.
Band:Industry. Early 80s techno band not to be confused wih another later band by the same name.
Song:State of the Nation.
That's them. :-)
Name your price if they are in good quality, particularly the first one.
3486. rubberducky - 1/16/2001 7:34:34 PM
Yet Another Band Understands and Accepts Napster
Dave Matthews Band's Napster Jam
They did it (or perhaps more accurately, their label let them do it). The Dave Matthews Band has officially crashed into Napster.
The jam rockers have become the first band to post a song on Napster with permission from their label, RCA Records. Although the band's new album, Everyday, won't hit stores until February 27, Napster began promoting the new song, "I Did It," last week, alongside links to the band's official Website.
Before you start wondering what RCA execs were smoking at the last Matthews concert, know that RCA Records is owned by Bertelsmann Music Group--the German entertainment goliath that agreed last October to join forces with the controversial song-swapping service.
Thus, the Dave Matthews Band is BMG's first cross-promotional experiment. Fans can go to Napster to search for the new single, or they can simply click to www.davematthewsband.com for an "official" version of the song. The group's management created the MP3 file on its site so fans can download a version that "sounds as the band intended."
Observers note that the promotion will help Napster tout itself as a label- and artist-friendly environment and perhaps encourage the other major labels currently suing the company to drop their lawsuits and build alliances. BMG also has announced that it plans to expand its retail digital-music offerings to include more than 2,900 tracks from artists like Matthews, TLC and OutKast.
having just listened to it - i can't wait to get the CD.
3487. lisajolie - 1/16/2001 7:40:21 PM
What direction is Napster going in? I heard that they were going toward a fee for service arrangement.
lisajolie
3488. ChristinO - 1/16/2001 7:48:12 PM
Frank,
You can set up a shrine to me in the corner of your living room. Email me your snail-mail address.
3489. Fraaankster - 1/16/2001 7:53:55 PM
What ?
My address is on its way!
( Hmmmmm. What's she talking about ?)
3490. ChristinO - 1/16/2001 7:55:50 PM
I have them both!
3491. ChristinO - 1/16/2001 7:57:17 PM
If you tell me some of your other fave's from the era I can put them all on a disk for you together. Or you can just be surprised by whatever I happen to choose and throw on it for you.
3492. ChristinO - 1/16/2001 7:58:09 PM
did I really put an apostrophe in faves?
good gracious lord I need a nap.
3493. rubberducky - 1/16/2001 8:05:33 PM
lisajolie:
that's what i heard about Napster as well, but i assume they are still fighting the lawsuits and the pay-per-download option was just a way to get out of them.
we'll see how it goes, i guess. hopefully a judge will end this insanity and allow Napster to continue as is.
3494. ChristinO - 1/16/2001 8:12:38 PM
I just listened to the new Dave Matthews tune there and everything seems to be the same as it ever was as far as I can tell.
3495. rubberducky - 1/16/2001 8:14:43 PM
CO:
oh of course dollbabe
they have fans to please. but, seriously, i think the CD will be great - they have such a wonderful track record of turning out good music by and large.
3496. lisajolie - 1/16/2001 8:14:51 PM
Yes, rubberducky. Let us pray. BTW, thanks for using my name.
lisajolie
3497. ChristinO - 1/16/2001 8:26:35 PM
Ducks,
Oh, sorry, not a comment on the song which I really liked. I love the Dave Matthews Band. I meant everything seems to be business as usual at Napster. They haven't changed anything that I can see.
3498. joezan - 1/17/2001 5:56:05 AM
Fraaank:
Band:Industry. Early 80s techno band not to be confused wih another later band by the same name. Song:State of the Nation.
You remember them???
The lead guitarist, Rudy Perrone, grew up 2 houses from me. He dated my sister for quite a while in HS - and his brother Vinny (who dated my cousin) played drums in my brother's band for a couple of years.
Gimme your e-mail - I know my brother's got the CD, and he'd burn one for you.
3499. don s. - 1/17/2001 5:58:20 AM
What do you think?
Eminem and the Grammys
3500. Fraaankster - 1/17/2001 8:08:49 AM
Christin, Joe:
Wow, what an offer by the both of youse. You guys actually know of these bands and their sound ? Although they did receive plenty of airplay on alternative radio stations when they first came out, they were basically one-hit wonders of their genre.
Christin,
You actually have access to both of these songs, with the long version of the tune by Maurice and the Cliches ?
Joe,
What a small world if we're talking about the same band. Are you sure we are talking about the same Industry ? This was a true techno-pop band -- kinda a cross twixt OMD and Flock of Seagulls in their style. Their sound sounded as if they were from an English band. They weren't, you're telling me ?
Their song, State of the Nation was a catchy little anti-war tune. It starts with the following two lines:
I see them marching off to war
They're looking so heroic ...
I will be eternally grateful for anything either of you can do. After all, it will be almost 20 years that I have been searching for both of these particular tunes. As Christin put it to me so aptly once, they were my buddies during a very trying time. It will be great to be reunited with them once more. :-)
My e-mail address is me_palani@yahoo.com, by the way.
You guys have made my month, by the way. :-)
3501. joezan - 1/17/2001 4:04:21 PM
Fraaank:
Sure I'm sure - Rudy's bro told us months in advance that the album would be released, and we all watched the premiere on MTV. The video was shot on the USS Intrepid, which had just opened at the South Street Seaport as the Intrepid Air/Sea/Space Museum. My brother and Rudy are still nominally in touch - they are both still very active in the NY music scene and their paths cross every now and then.
...but I've just seen Christin's very gracious offer (which I passed right over in my excitement that someone actually remembered Industry). I already e-mailed my brother, so you might end up with both.
3502. joezan - 1/17/2001 4:31:52 PM
Fraaank:
Well, lo and behold, my brother's response arrived just after my last post.
...it's the ALBUM he has - remember those? And he doesn't even own a turntable anymore. So it seems Christin's your last, best hope.
Anyway...here's some interesting (?) Industry trivia....
Jon Carin, the Singer/Keyboard player from Industry, ultimately became the second keyboard player in Pink Floyd. He even has writing credits on a few albums.
My brother informs me "...they were huge in Europe back in the early 80s. I mean HUGE!"
Until that album was released, Rudy Perrone was known as a hard rock guitar virtuoso. When we were in HS, he even grew his hair down to his shoulder blades, pumped iron, and would frequently wear a suede, frilled vest with no shirt underneath - and tie a leather strap around his well-defined biceps, just like his hero, Mark Farner, from Grand Funk. He hated the New Wave/Techno stuff, but hated the 80's version of the heavy metal scenen even more.
Now, he's somewhat of a troubador - just him and his 12-string acoustic, playing small clubs in and around NYC.
3503. Rosetta Stone - 1/17/2001 6:47:43 PM
Albums (two because I know there is going to be heavy traffic) in Car CD today.
The Definitive JOHN COLTRANE/The Definitive SARAH VAUGHAN
Verve Music. From Ken Burn's JAZZ collection. $6.95 at Sams' Club
3504. Fraaankster - 1/17/2001 10:16:11 PM
Joe,
Are you sure we are talking about the same band ? Your physical description of the lead guitarist just doesn't fit my image of what the band looked or sounded like. This song is purely techno-pop, and I don't even remember a guitar riff in it.
Thank you for your offer and the history tidbit anyway. You da man!
Christin,
Check your e-mail. And if you come through for me, I will be eternally grateful...I will also make a special trip today to Home Depot for the materials needed for your shrine.
Once again, Moties are the best!
3505. joezan - 1/18/2001 12:06:48 AM
Frank:
Absolutely, positively. He got the requisite blow cut for the band, was stilted in any effort to inject some good ol' rock-n-roll, and promptly quit.
3506. Fraaankster - 1/18/2001 12:21:03 AM
Joe,
I don't know if the song would have worked with a guitar, but then we'll never know. The mold has been cast.
I still think of their sound being European in origin. No wonder I couldn't find it in London when I was there.
...If only Rhino Records would look into adding this song into one of their 80s compilation CDs they put out so often. I think it would sell. It is still highly requested here at a local alternative radio station.
3507. joezan - 1/18/2001 12:31:35 AM
Fraaank:
Rudy is playing a guitar/synthesizer throughout that entire song.
It sounds nothing like a guitar, but - hey....
3508. joezan - 1/18/2001 12:39:15 AM
...and, not that you're ever likely to see that video again - but if you do, you'll notice that Rudy (who was 28 or 29 at the time) was much older than anyone else in the band - I think the oldest of the remaining members was 21.
3509. Fraaankster - 1/18/2001 12:44:28 AM
Joe,
I thought the song came out right before the big video craze that bands jumped into as the MTV era was being ushered in ? When was the song actually released ?
It would be cool to see that video, thought. That one, and Spandua Ballet's Lifeline (If one exists of the song ?) would be nice to see.
...Yes, it does sound like that of a young band.
3510. joezan - 1/18/2001 3:45:56 AM
Fraank:
I'd have to check with my bro to be sure, but it was '83 or '84... maybe even '85 - MTV started in '80.
3511. JudithAtHome - 1/18/2001 5:51:39 PM
We're going tonight to the opening of a play by Conor McPherson called The Weir . This play won a Laurence Olivier Best Play award, which is the London Tony. It's an emsemble piece with 5 players and I'm really looking forward to it because it has 2 of my fave local guys in it.
Next Friday, we're going to see The Most Fabulous Story Ever Told by Paul Rudnik. This play looks at the Bible and spirituality from a gay perspective. I was called yesterday by the director and he warned me it is pretty "offensive"...I laughed and told him I couldn't wait!
3512. Rosetta Stone - 1/18/2001 5:59:57 PM
The director is calling his audience? Sounds pretty private.
3513. JudithAtHome - 1/18/2001 6:02:33 PM
The director is also the theater owner and we are friends. And yes, it's pretty private, all right...a sold out theater full of about 200 people.
3514. Fraaankster - 1/18/2001 7:41:24 PM
Joe,
I thought MTV blasted off in 1981 or'82, with many bands prior to that and during its introduction, missing the boat on the video marketing aspect of it all.
Anyone,
Is there a definitive,tell all book on the Beach Boys ? It would save me wading through all the trash that I'm sure exists out there on them. Leave to me to want to read about dysphunctional families, particularly those with geniuses ( Brian Wilson ) amid the progeny. ;-)
3515. Fraaankster - 1/19/2001 6:43:49 AM
Joe,
Any chance you might have also grown up with anyone connected with either of the two following bands: Figures On The Beach or maybe, Translator ?
I was surfing around some places a few minutes ago, only to find their CDs are currently out of print. I thought I would try you anyway.(g)
3516. rubberducky - 1/22/2001 4:45:38 PM
Bolton must pay:
Jan. 22, 2001 | WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. Supreme Court refused Monday to get involved in pop singer Michael Bolton's long battle to avoid a $5.4 million judgment for allegedly stealing a 1960s Isley Brothers tune.
The court, without comment, let stand a federal appeals court ruling that Bolton must pay. His lawyers had asked the justices to consider whether a California court erred in sending the case to a jury in 1994.
Bolton denied lifting his 1991 hit "Love is a Wonderful Thing" from a 1966 Isley Brothers release of the same name, and testified at trial that he had never heard of the earlier song.
instead of the cash, they shoulda just settled for a promise from Bolton to leave the music bidness.
3517. Dr.XavierTColtrane - 1/22/2001 4:47:24 PM
Next time, make sure the artist is dead, like Otis Redding.
3518. don s. - 1/22/2001 5:56:02 PM
Last week on cable radio (just got digital cable installed at the house), I caught a bit of a song by someone named "Musiq Soulchild": garden-variety retro soul à la D'Angelo, et al., but nice. So I looked up the album tracks from Amazon and downloaded a bunch of them from Napster to get a better listen.
It's a new world.
BTW, I actually purchased two CDs last weekend based on hearing selections downloaded from Napster: Jason Moran Facing Left and At the Drive-in Relationship of Command. I had downloaded all of the latter, but the CD was budget-priced at $7.99, so I figured, why not get the packaging, too? [More recent acquisitions.]
3519. JudithAtHome - 1/22/2001 8:03:33 PM
Here's a review of the play we went to see Friday night. It was written by my friend, Perry.
Ensemble gives depth to `The Weir'
By Perry Stewart
Star-Telegram Theater Critic
FORT WORTH -- A weir is a low dam built to contain a river. In `The Weir' it is the flow of emotions that are alternately restrained and unleashed.
Irish playwright Conor McPherson accomplishes this in such an artfully round-the- barn manner that you may find yourself thinking that there's not much to his play but a lot of pub prattle. Indeed, `The Weir' might well come across as shallow in the hands of actors less gifted than the ensemble director Jerry Russell has assembled for Allied Theatre Group's regional premiere at Stage West.
The setting is a remote bar in rural Ireland, where three local men wait to check out the Dublin woman who has bought a house nearby. Idle chatter turns to local ghost stories after it is revealed that the newcomer's house sits in the middle of a "fairy road."
Theater folk do love their subtext, and McPherson has plenty of meat between these lines. You don't realize how much until the fierce row between Jack, a garage owner, and Finbar, a former resident turned prosperous and pretentious. He sold Valerie, the Dubliner, her home and is introducing her to local color.
Jim Covault, as Jack, opens the play and signals his commitment to realism by downing a bottle of stout. (Yep, it's the real thing. You can tell by the foamy head.) Later, this actor caps off a superb portrayal with a poignant epilogue.
(cont.)
3520. JudithAtHome - 1/22/2001 8:05:02 PM
(cont.)
R. Bruce Elliott's Finbar is the swaggering catalyst, a home boyo returning to lord it over the locals. This rankles Jack, but his assistant, Jim, (Joe Alberti, an impressive newcomer) opts for a more stoic route. Jakie Cabe, as the pub operator, tends to his various duties of referee, counselor and just maybe suitor to Valerie.
Russell's prowess as an actor's director is showcased brilliantly. There's only a discreet lilt to the west Ireland brogues of the natives. By contrast, Holly Hickman's "Doob- lin" dialect is more musical. The accents and the vernacular may be confusing to some ears. So don't get hung up on this aspect. Roll with the flow of McPherson's ornate phrasing and savor the performances.
3521. don s. - 1/22/2001 8:08:07 PM
I saw The Wier in NYC a couple of years ago. I'm sure it was good and all, but I couldn't stay awake.
3522. don s. - 1/22/2001 8:08:39 PM
toys?
3523. JudithAtHome - 1/22/2001 8:19:00 PM
Sorry about not closing the tag....
Well, maybe here in the sticks, we're more easily entertained. Keoni and I were mesmerized by the play and the performances...
3524. don s. - 1/22/2001 8:26:27 PM
It was probably just me.
3525. PelleNilsson - 1/22/2001 8:26:46 PM
Yesterday, the Polar Music Prize (founded by ABBA manager Stickan Andersson) was awarded. It likes to promote itself as "the Nobel prize for music" but it is of course much less known.
This years prize went to Karlheinz Stockhausen, Burt Bacharach and Robert Moog of synthesizer fame. I didn't know that Moog's device was a development of the theremin invented in 1920 by the Russian physicist Leon Theremin.
3526. don s. - 1/22/2001 8:29:48 PM
Woo-hoo! Another opportunity to point out that Stockhausen and I have the same birthday.
3527. joezan - 1/23/2001 7:42:05 AM
Arrived home tonight from 5 days in Nashville. Great, weird city - it's like a theme park - with the theme of course being music.
Neither my wife nor I had ever been there, and when we arrived at the Opryland Hotel (a truly wondrous place - Vegas without the casinos) and drove around Music City Circle a bit, I was kind of disappointed - there was The Grand Old Opry (where we saw Martina McBride the first night - barely an hour after we arrived), and out on Briley Parkway there were a few honky tonks...but it was all so hokey.
So the next night - Saturday - the wife suggests we head into Nashville proper.
Ahhhhh...there it was!
Nashville is to music what Paris is to food (but the people are nicer, they speak a passable version of English, and there is no dog crap on the sidewalks).
We walked for blocks, checking out the different clubs. And nearly every other business was a bar, with a band playing inches from the sidewalk.
Great place....we're going back this summer.
3528. joezan - 1/23/2001 8:20:31 AM
3529. joezan - 1/23/2001 8:27:12 AM
Ok...this is pretty slow-loading, but it's worth it. It's stitched together using the Olympus software from 4 different photos...
3530. joezan - 1/23/2001 8:34:49 AM
...as is this one:
3531. JudithAtHome - 1/23/2001 4:39:25 PM
I've just seen the latest sop to pedophiles everywhere...a "girl group" called Dream. Four little female N'Syncs...about 12 years old, singing together and moving like strippers on the prowl.
3532. JudithAtHome - 1/23/2001 4:41:23 PM
Great photos, joezan!!
3533. joezan - 1/23/2001 7:56:39 PM
Judith:
I had despaired of anyone ever even seeing the photos - as I can't get but the first one to load in less than 2 minutes.
Thanks for your patience and praise.
The top photo, btw, is of my wife and daughter on our way to the Wild Horse Saloon. Quite a place - every night is amateur night, and up to 30 performers per evening get to go up on the big stage and "show what they got" for the audience of hundreds hanging off the balconies and boot-scootin' on the huge dance floor. posters in the front windows boast of all the recording stars who got their starts there. We got to see seven acts - all of which were very good - before we left.
Our main reason for going there was my daughter wanted line dancing lessons, and that was a hoot. She was doing pretty well till things sped up a bit - her new boots tripped her up a couple of times, so she boot-scooted off the floor before she ended up killing someone.
3534. JudithAtHome - 1/23/2001 8:00:31 PM
joezan:
That hotel looks really huge...is that where you stayed?
One of my good friends from high school is or at least, was, some big wig in ASCAP and lives in Nashville...maybe I should give him a call. That hotel looks stupendous!
3535. joezan - 1/23/2001 8:40:31 PM
Judith:
Yes - but my job paid for the room - which was really not that pricey (at the corporate rate) considering the amenities. It is really too big - everyone you run into in the hallways, malls and atria is lost. Even the staff cannot properly direct you without consulting a map. For the first 2 days I was late for everything despite giving myself extra time (as was everyone - for instance, we made it just in time to the awards banquet, and the hall wasn't even half-full yet. Everything ran late out of necessity). It is, as the Mayor of Nashville boasted at our luncheon, the largest hotel without a casino in the country.
I may post another photo later of one of the atria at ground level. The plantings are beautiful, and both have rivers running through them, full of the biggest, fattest channel catfish and bass you ever saw. They even offer boat rides!
3536. JudithAtHome - 1/23/2001 8:43:45 PM
Joez:
Just imagine how late everyone would've been had the been a casino inside!
3537. JudithAtHome - 1/23/2001 8:44:28 PM
...there been...
3538. joezan - 1/23/2001 10:22:31 PM
..hope this won't slow the thread down too much...
3539. JudithAtHome - 1/23/2001 11:05:19 PM
This is all inside, right?
3540. joezan - 1/23/2001 11:53:46 PM
Yup.
3541. arkymalarky - 1/24/2001 4:05:00 AM
Cool Joe. I love the pictures.
Bro worked at Opryland two summers and we went, but I don't remember much but the downtown at night and Whatchamacallit Alley. I have a t-shirt but I'd have to dig it up. I thought downtown was sort of scary at night, but that's been probably 15 years ago...no, longer, since it was before I was married. We went to see Jackson's plantation---can't remember any names tonight...and another really nice one. The hotel is really nice and huge. Bro and his "friends" who played the same show used to hang around in it a lot.
3542. joezan - 1/24/2001 7:10:12 AM
Arky:
Yea..."Printer's Alley" - looked like the perfect place to be found with a broken bottle sticking out of your throat. And why do they call it that? Every street it crossed, I'd look down the alley as we passed on foot or in the car, and all I saw were strip joints, peep shows, and adult book stores.
3543. arkymalarky - 1/25/2001 1:45:23 AM
Yeah, that was it. A lot of famous Nashville people got their start there, from what I recall, but I don't remember any of them. It seems several were not what people associate with Nashville.
3544. cmboyce - 1/25/2001 1:55:27 AM
Jackson's plantation is the Hermitage. I understand it is an elaborate and very well-done restoration, with, in particular and atypically for such places, a strong display on slave life. I saw it once, in, I think, 1968, before the restoration, and it was pretty rundown, but (or and, really) quite impressive.
3545. arkymalarky - 1/25/2001 2:01:01 AM
That's right. I don't know what it is with me and names the last few days. The other mansion we saw was called Belle Meade, I think.
3546. Cellar Door - 1/25/2001 6:54:24 PM
hey Deev,here's aparody by John Grabowskithat's been making the ne rounds:
"Presenting Ken Burns' 144-hour Extremely Important documentary, "Jazz."
Fade up on a grainy old photograph of a man in a three-piece suit,
holding a cornet. Or a bicycle horn, it's hard to tell.
Narrator: Skunkbucket LeFunke was born in 1876 and died in 1901. No
one who heard him is alive today. The grandchildren of the people who
heard him are not alive today. The great-grandchildren of the people
who heard him are not alive today. He was never recorded.
Wynton Marsalis: I'll tell you what Skunkbucket LeFunke sounded like.
He had this big rippling sound, and he always phrased off the beat, and
he slurred his notes. And when the Creole bands were still playing
De-bah-de-bah-ta-da-tah, he was already playing
Bo-dap-da-lete-do-do-do-bah! He was just like gumbo, ahead of his time.
Announcer: LeFunke was a cornet player, gambler, card shark, pool
hustler, pimp, male prostitute, Kelly Girl, computer programmer, brain
surgeon and he invented the internet.
Stanley Crouch: When people listened to Skunkbucket LeFunke, they heard
Do-do-dee-bwap-da-dee-dee-de-da-da-doop-doop-dap. And they knew even
then
how deeply profound that was.
Announcer: It didn't take LeFunke long to advance the art of jazz past
its humble beginnings in New Orleans whoredom with the addition of a
bold and sassy beat.
3547. Cellar Door - 1/25/2001 6:55:38 PM
Wynton: Let me tell you about the Big Four. Before the Big Four, jazz
> drumming sounded like BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick. But now they had
> the Big Four, which was so powerful some said it felt like a Six.
> A few visiting musicians even swore they were in an Eight.
>
> Stanley: It was smooth and responsive, and there was no knocking and
> pinging, even on 87 octane.
>
> Wynton: Even on gumbo.
>
> Announcer: When any musician in the world heard Louis Armstrong for the
> first time, they gnawed their arm off with envy, then said the angels
> probably wanted to sound like Louis. When you consider a bunch of
> angels talking in gruff voices and singing "Hello Dolly," you realize
> what a stupid aspiration that is.
>
> Gary Giddy: Louis changed jazz because he was the only cat going
> Do-da-dep-do-wah-be-be, while everyone else was doing
> Do-de-dap-dit-dit-dee.
>
> Stanley: And that was very profound.
3548. Cellar Door - 1/25/2001 6:57:03 PM
> Marsalis: Like gumbo.
>
> Stanley: Uh-huh.
>
> Matt Glaser: I always have this fantasy that when Louis performed in
> Belgium, Heisenberg was in the audience and he was blown away and that's
> where he got the idea for his Uncertainty Principle.
>
> Marsalis: Because the Uncertainty Principle, applied to jazz, means you
> never know if a cat is going to go Dap-da-de-do-ba-ta-bah or
> Dap-da-de-do-bip-de-beep.
>
> Wynton: Louis was the first one to realize that.
>
> Stanley: And that can be very profound.
>
> Stanley: I thought it was a box of chocolates...
>
> Announcer: The Savoy Ballroom brought people of all races colors and
> political persuasions together to get sweaty as Europe moved closer and
> closer to the brink of World War II.
> Savoy Dancer: We didn't care what color you were at the Savoy. We only
> cared if you were wearing deodorant.
>
> Stanley: Wynton always wears deodorant.
>
> Glaser: I'll bet Arthur Murray was on the dance floor and he was
> thinking about Louis and that's where he got the idea to open a bunch of
> dance schools.
>
> Stanley: And that was very profound.
>
> Giddy: Let's talk about Louis some more. We've wasted three minutes of
> this 57-part documentary not talking about Louis.
3549. Cellar Door - 1/25/2001 6:58:02 PM
> Wynton: He was an angel, a genius, much better than Cats.
>
> Stanley: He invented the word "Cats."
>
> Wynton: He invented swing, he invented jazz, he invented the telephone,
> the automobile and the polio vaccine.
>
> Stanley: And the internet.
>
> Wynton: Very profound.
>
> Announcer: Louis Armstrong turned commercial in the 1930s and didn't
> make any more breakthrough contributions to jazz. But it's not PC to
> point that out, so we'll be showing him in every segment of this series
> to come, even if he's just doing the same things as the last time you
> saw him.
>
> Glaser: I'll bet Chuck Yeager was in the audience when Louis was hitting
> those high Cs at the Earle Theater in Philadelphia, and that's what made
> him decide to break the sound barrier.
>
> Stanley: And from there go to Pluto.
>
> Wynton: I'm going to make some gumbo-
>
> Stanley: BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-BOOM-chick-A-A
>
> Giddy: Do-yap-do-wee-bah-scoot-scoot-dap-dap...That's what all the cats
> were saying back then.
3550. Cellar Door - 1/25/2001 6:58:52 PM
> Announcer: In 1964, John Coltrane was at his peak, Eric Doolphy was in
> Europe, where he would eventually die, the Modern Jazz Quartet was
> making breakthrough recordings in the field of Third Stream Music, Mile=
> s
> Davis was breaking new barrier with his second great quintet, and
> Charlie Mingus was extending jazz composition to new levels of
> complexity. But we're going to talk about Louis singing "Hello Dolly"
> instead.
>
> Stanley: Louis went,
> Ba-ba-yaba-do-do-dee-da-bebin-doo-wap-deet-deet-do-da-da.
>
> Wynton: Sweets went,
> Scoop-doop-shalaba-yaba-mokey-hokey-bwap-bwap-tee-tee-dee.
>
> Giddy: I go, Da-da-shoobie-doobie-det-det-det-bap-bap-baaaaa...
>
> Announcer: The rest of the history of jazz will be shown in fast forward
> and will occupy exactly seven seconds.
> --There, that was it. Now here are some scenes from Ken Burns' next
> documentary, a 97-part epic about the Empire State Building, titled "The
> Empire State Building."
>
> "It is tall and majestic. It is America's building. It is the Empire
> State Building. Dozens of workers gave their lives in the construction
> of this building."
>
> Matt Glaser: I'll bet that they were thinking of Louis as they were
> falling to their deaths. I have this fantasy that his high notes
> inspired the immenseness of the Empire State Building.
>
> Wynton Marsalis: I'll bet most people who'd fall off the Empire State
> Building would go "Aaaaaahhhh!" But these cats went
> "Dee-dee-daba-da-da-bop-bop-de-dop-shewap-splat!"
>
> "That's next time on PBS"
3551. PelleNilsson - 1/25/2001 8:39:17 PM
Cellar
That was funny. We have people like that here too.
3552. Rosetta Stone - 1/27/2001 3:41:38 PM
Ken Burns' JAZZ documentary last night on Charlie "Birdland" Parker was excellent. I didn't know much about him, other than he was the father of Re-Bop and a drug addict.
With the help of his wife and friends, Burns' docu on PBS looks at his life and after a brilliant start, his problems.
He died at age 34. (And the doctors who examined his body, not knowing his age, thought he was in his mid-50s.)
So sad, especially about how he learned about the death in NYC of his baby girl while performing in California and the series of telegrams he sent his wife.
3553. Cellar Door - 1/27/2001 5:05:13 PM
Clint Eastwood's "Bird" is underrated. It's just out on DVD.
3554. theDiva - 1/28/2001 2:54:11 PM
Cellar
Cute parody!
Stone
Not to be didactic or pedantic or anything, but it's Bird or Yardbird - so named because of his love for chicken, and bebop (he hated the label.)
3555. Rosetta Stone - 1/29/2001 5:32:47 PM
SINGING IN THE COLD RAIN: Warm Inauguration 2001 Celebration Memories by KT
Jan. 15: Even though school was closed because of Rev. Martin Luther King holiday, I go there to learn the song by composer Andrew Lloyd Webber that we'll sing at the Lincoln Memorial for the new President and Vice President of the United States.
Not only will President-elect George W. Bush and Vice President-elect Richard Cheney be there, but so will thousands of people who want to celebrate the Inauguration of the President.
The name of the new song is "Let Us Love in Peace" and it has a beautiful melody. But it's the lyrics that really touched me. I really liked the soloist's voice. She is from Ireland and has a Gaelic accent.
It was hard work standing all that time but we kept getting better and better. With practice, I knew that it would sound really good in the end. At home I sang the song over and over again on my tape recorder. My dad says that I'll be part of history and a soul singer.
Jan. 16: School is cool because everyone knows what we're doing and during third period we got a call on the PA system to go to the Chorus Room to "warm-up" and meet Mr. Lee. He is a musician from London, England, who tels us we need to make our singing "come from our heart."
Mr. Lee, who wears a cape, said he wanted it to sound "dreamy and beautiful." Singing the song really makes me wish we lived in a world free of terrorism. It's sad how the people in Northern Ireland are afraid all the time. I hope that the song changes a lot of peoples' lives for the better.
Jan. 17: We got out of school early and go to the Kennedy Center to have a big rehearsal with the other musicians. When we got there, we find out that Jessica Simpson is going to be the star soloist. I have one of her CDs so I know who she is. But I'm sorry that the original singer won't do it.
3557. Rosetta Stone - 1/29/2001 5:58:19 PM
Jessica is one of my favorite singers. We meet her mother. We're all in a picture with her. After working hard for about two hours we go to the Lincoln Memorial for a stage rehearsal. It's dark and cold but we practiced the way we're walk on and off the stage. Also, "the loving expressions" on our faces that our teachers tell us they want us to do while singing. It's important to show a love for each other while we're singing since the TV cameras are going to do closeups on some of us. But we don't know who!!
We meet another soloist, Josie Walker who is a star of a play in London and she's going to sing another song with us on stage. We don't have to sing. Just look at her. She is from Northern Ireland and really made a powerful impression on us when she told us that many people have died in her country. She asks us to be good when she sings and act like we really want the civil war in Ireland to end.
Afterwards we get back on the warm buses and go to Popeye's to eat. We all have coupons and can eat as much as we want. Some of the kids get sick from the spicy chicken. It's late but our parents meet us there and we're very excited. Everything is happening so fast.
Jan 18: Tonight is the big event. I'm soooo nervous. Everyone wonders if we'll be on TV. Larry King is going to introduce us. The whole day I've been singing the song in my head, trying to memorize the lyrics. I don't want to be the one to make mistakes!!
We went to the lunch room at 11 and practice the looks on our faces that we need to do while singing. We want to make them look perfect. Afterward we practiced the song for another 45 minutes. A nice lady comes in and talks about what is going on in Northern Ireland. She talked about how the Catholics and the Prostestants always fight.
3558. Rosetta Stone - 1/29/2001 6:12:39 PM
(continued)
She told one really sad story about a young teenage girl who was just talking a walk in the city and a car bomb filled with nails blew up near her and killed her. The woman from Ireland said she knew the family of the girl. The story made me cry. And from that moment on I really wanted our song to come "from my heart."
At 12:30, we meet in the school's Chorus Room and put on our patriotic uniforms and do warm-ups. All the kids in school think we're cool. Time is flying and it is soon time to get on the bus and go to the concert at the Lincoln Memorial. It's cold and it is raining but that's not going to stop us.
When we get to the Lincoln Memorial we have to go through electronic security like you see at airports. The police are very nice to us but we're not allowed to bring in Walkmans or Game Boys. Some of the boys tried to sneak them in but they end up back on the bus. Teachers are mad at them. I think they call the police "Secret Service" because they don't smile or talk to us.
Then we go to the heated tent. As we get ready, we watch the other "stars" perform on TV. Then Ricky Martin came in to say hello. Everyone screams. He is a hunk and what a smile!!! He has two red flashlights and give me one. Later I lost it on stage. But he did give it to me. Everyone saw it.
It is now time to perform. I have butterflys in my stomach.
When I get on the stage I know there is no turning back. The bright lights are in my face and I just think about all those people out there listening to us sing our special song. We really sang it "from our hearts" and we did a great job.
I don't think I'll ever forget that moment. Thank you Herbert Hoover for giving me that memory.
3559. don s. - 1/29/2001 6:13:51 PM
God how I miss Popeye's chicken.
3560. theDiva - 1/29/2001 6:38:21 PM
Stone
Very nice essay by your girl. You must be very proud.
3561. Rosetta Stone - 1/29/2001 9:58:34 PM
Thank you diva. I'm hoping those most excellent posts can be moved to the Inauguration 2001 thread.
(The one that I pleaded with mote management to keep up until my kids' journals were finished.)
But Judithesnitch wanted it buried, and she has the ear of our masters.
3562. janjon - 1/29/2001 10:03:20 PM
She wasn't the only one who wanted that travesty pulled, Stone.
Indeed, she was just one of a chorus.
(Now, I realize that giving you attention by reacting to your little inane rants is playing your game, but with you it is irresistable.)
Loser.
3563. theDiva - 1/29/2001 10:03:29 PM
oh stop. What did you think of last night's ep of Jazz, if you happened to catch it?
3564. Rosetta Stone - 1/29/2001 10:06:48 PM
I loved it. Especially the section on Ornette Coleman and his bassist.
The story of conductor Lenny Bernstein up on the bar stage with his ear to the stand-up bass was priceless.
The CBS "jazz" video with Billie Holliday was also terrific.
3565. theDiva - 1/29/2001 10:11:31 PM
I have that CBS show on tape, and it is incredible. You can get a copy through the Jazz Store website...just be prepared to wait three weeks, their delivery is not the best.
I'm sort of surprised Mingus didn't rate more than a passing mention in last night's ep...they must be saving him for tomorrow. Three other things stuck out - in the discussion of hard bop, they didn't even give it the proper name (this was the section where they talked about the meshing of jazz and soul music, with 'Cornbread' etc. mentioned); they didn't say word one about Cannonball Adderley; and when discussing the Jazz Messengers, didn't interview Benny Golson, who is an amazing, interesting, brilliant storyteller. Very odd choices.
3566. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/30/2001 5:13:28 PM
Deev— I wondered what the criteria was for selecting speakers also — and who had Burn's ear, ultimately.
Lavano was a surprise — especially for how little he contributed.
I was also surprised when they kept the Branford Marsalis “Motherfucker” line — without getting bleeped.
And what about Stan Getz? I know the guy was a prick, but he made some significant contributions.
And what about Antonio Carlos Jobim’s contributions to “American Jazz?”
3567. theDiva - 1/30/2001 5:24:14 PM
Wiz
God, I must have been in the bathroom when Branford said that! And it's funny, I was just thinking that very same thing this morning about Jobim.
I absolutely loved the sequence about Pops and his reaction to the integration problems in Little Rock.
It seems that it is as I suspected - this series is a general introduction to the music. Overall I think he has done a decent job, especially if it sends people on deeper explorations of the music.
3568. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 1/30/2001 5:50:51 PM
Oh, I agree Deev — it’s been a wonderful series. Armstrong was an angel and I still think he was THE greatest and purist spirit of the Twentieth Century.
That Lester Young/Billie Holiday spot was heart-wrenchingly precious.
I’m eager for tonight’s final take. The fragmentation and dissolution of purity is endemic to all of the arts, I suppose. After the greats of the Rennaisance, all their imitators could do, was self-consciously quote them in overly elaborate and contrived ways.
It wasn’t until Carravagio came along that the game changed.
I wonder if any “predictions” will be made tonight?
3569. Cellar Door - 1/30/2001 5:53:28 PM
Well I wish it would, Deev. But in this culture people look to figures like Ken Burns to explain it all to them. There's a profound lack of curiosity about the past, on every level.
Right now I'm reading a book called "Intimate Companions" by David Leddick. It's about George Platt Lynes, Paul Cadmus,Lincoln Kirsten and their circle of friends -- and boyfriends. To say it's an eye-opener is putting it mildly. I'm only halfway through and already its completely reconfigured my ideas about that group and what they were up to. The trouble is most people have no idea who Lincoln Kirsten was,or his significance to dance and the arts in general over the last 3/4 of the century. Today the arts are debased beyond measure. It's all about what sells, to a degree that's almost ridiculous.
3570. theDiva - 1/30/2001 5:59:57 PM
Oh, that Pres-Billie clip never fails to give me chills.
"It's all about what sells, to a degree that's almost ridiculous."
Interesting you should say that, we were talking the other night about the fact that at the height of its popularity, jazz recordings accounted for something like 75% of all records sold, where now it's about 3-4% (maybe I even read that here?) The thing is, I don't think jazz is so inaccessible or difficult to understand - either it resonates with you or it doesn't...but I think the problem is, as you say, what sells. Joshua Redman and Regina Carter aren't hip-thrusting on MTV, and unless you're already into the music or know someone who will turn you on to it, how will you ever discover them? If we as parents/mentors don't turn our kids on to this stuff early on, what are the chances of them discovering it? It's very, very sad.
3571. arkymalarky - 1/31/2001 12:53:04 AM
Mose has been exposed to jazz and classical since she was itty bitty (not so much from us as from my parents), but lost what little interest she had in it in favor of popular music. Now that she's in jazz band and back into piano she's listening to it with enthusiasm for the first time. Her jazz band director is really good about getting the kids connected with great music.
3572. joezan - 1/31/2001 7:04:46 AM
Hey, Stone! Great essay by your daughter - pretty good little speller, too.
Are you sure you're the father?
(g)
3573. Rosetta Stone - 2/1/2001 6:00:41 PM
In conclusion:
K, and the other chorus singers, each received a care package, including cover letter, from the White House yesterday thanking her, on behalf of President George W. Bush and Vice-President Richard B. Cheney, for her "excellent performance at the Opening Ceremony of the 54th President Inauguration."
Included in the package were a copy of Bush's most excellent Jan. 20th speech (called the best in the last forty years by the New Yorker magazine), other booklets on the Inauguration, photographs of the President and VP on the Lincoln Memorial stage with the kids, and authographed publicity photos of Larry King, Jessica Simpson and Ricky Martin and...
And, most importantly, another heavy-duty, red Mimi Maglite custom flashlight with the tagline:
The 54th Presidential Inaugural:
"Celebrating America's Spirit Together"
3574. joezan - 2/1/2001 6:32:14 PM
That truly is great, Rosie.
Last week in Nashville, my wife and 9 y.o. daughter aggressively pursued MLK III down the escape path after he was finished addressing our convention (momentarily alarming his entourage), in their quest for an autograph and handshake.
Well, he gave the handshake, but one of his handlers growled NO autographs!
In her report of the event for school, my daughter wrote Martin Luther King jr. jr. wanted to sign my program, but some man wouldn't let him. But he shook my hand. I was the only kid who got to shake his hand.
3575. theDiva - 2/1/2001 6:42:00 PM
Gosh, youse guys, this is all so neat. Good memories for the kids. And MLK3 is probably used to women chasing him, that is one fine-looking man.
3576. joezan - 2/2/2001 3:50:03 AM
Uhhhh...
...let's just say the years have been a bit too good to Junior, Deev.
(BTW - this is where he was shaking my daughter's hand. I totally screwed the shot. Daughter was not happy.)
3577. theDiva - 2/2/2001 1:05:56 PM
my, my, red beans and rice didn't miss him....maybe I'm thinking of one of the younger sons!
3578. Cellar Door - 2/3/2001 6:23:18 PM
Ken Burns again. Don't he NEVER sleep?
3579. JudithAtHome - 2/3/2001 7:10:40 PM
Cellar:
Was that the link you wanted? It's a Rush&Malloy column...no mention of Ken Burns that I read.
Or is this "code" for Barry Dillers faux marriage?
3580. Cellar Door - 2/3/2001 7:18:19 PM
Ken Burns was one of the wedding guests.
3581. JudithAtHome - 2/3/2001 7:22:28 PM
Sorry...I was looking for a mention of some new project that would entail months of work.
3582. Cellar Door - 2/3/2001 7:47:32 PM
Well he could turn Diane's like into a PBS series.
3583. JudithAtHome - 2/3/2001 8:03:02 PM
I met her once back in the 70s...she was appearing on a show that Charlie Rose had locally and he asked me to come early to meet her. She made mince meat outta Charlie and showed him up as the ass he really is.
3584. robertjayb - 2/3/2001 8:07:04 PM
.
This Austin Chronicle profile of James Cotton amounts to a mini-retrospective of postwar blues. I enjoyed it.
To say that James Cotton has the blues coursing through his veins is to overstate the obvious. The reason for such hyperbole is simple: James Cotton was born with the blues in his blood. He grew up alongside Highway 61, Old Man River just to the west and Memphis less than an hour across the Tennessee border. It's a legacy he carries with pride and energy, and at 65, he's not letting anything get in his way.
"I've always been a bluesman and I guess I always will be," the man sometimes called Mr. Superharp states unequivocally.
3585. Cellar Door - 2/3/2001 8:25:03 PM
"She made mince meat outta Charlie and showed him up as the ass he really is."
Well that's on par with shooting fish in a barrel. Frankly it's a toss-up between Larry King and Charlie Rose on the Stupid-o-meter.
More than anyhting I can think of, these "expert"interviews -- with no knowledge of anything -- embody the rabid anti-intellectualism of our culture more than any other thing I can think of.
3586. JudithAtHome - 2/3/2001 8:36:12 PM
Boy, you certainly pegged Charlie with this: with no knowledge of anything -- !
3587. PelleNilsson - 2/4/2001 11:32:21 AM
These three books received good reviews in the Economist:
THE OXFORD COMPANION TO JAZZ.
Edited by Bill Kirchner.
Oxford University Press; 864 pages; $49.95 and £30.
JAZZ: A HISTORY OF AMERICA’S MUSIC.
By Geoffrey C. Ward and Ken Burns.
Knopf; 512 pages; $65.
THE MAKING OF “KIND OF BLUE”: MILES DAVIS AND HIS
MASTERPIECE.
By Eric Nisenson.
St Martin’s Press; 256 pages; $22.95
3588. jexster - 2/4/2001 6:08:28 PM
A friend, an outrageously handsome 26 year old French canadian boy now San Diego gay surfer dude, has invited me to this year's Burning Man Festival in Nevada.
I dunno much about it...there are all sorts of wild costumes, sculptures, naked people, music, sex, drugs and oh yeah 107 degree heat and choking dust.
He's all excited and well, when you get to be my age, its a good thing to pay attention to hot, excited young thangs....their appearances become fewer and farther between.
3589. JudithAtHome - 2/4/2001 6:16:35 PM
jex:
You should go...I know some people with similar interests and, except for the heat, which they swear you get used to, they wouldn't miss it for anything. These guys are pretty shrewd and except for this little foray each year seem fairly sane.
3590. PelleNilsson - 2/4/2001 6:27:28 PM
with similar interests
That's a nice, discreet way of putting it.
3591. JJBiener - 2/4/2001 6:38:44 PM
Pelle - Judith is the soul of discretion.
3592. JudithAtHome - 2/4/2001 7:17:09 PM
Well, I could've meant desert flora and fauna for all you guys know. :-)
3593. JudithAtHome - 2/4/2001 7:17:53 PM
Darn...nothing worse than a Picasso emoticon...
3594. JJBiener - 2/4/2001 7:54:01 PM
Judith - Don't Flora and Fauna have a strip show at the Roxy? Somthing to do with vegetables and a snake, I believe. Somehow I don't Jex's group is interested in them.
3595. Rosetta Stone - 2/5/2001 4:32:27 AM
"JAZZ": An End Note by Jonathan Yardley
3596. Rivendell - 2/5/2001 5:47:15 PM
JJ,
Check your Yahoo e-mail before noon today.
Stone,
Read the Yardley link. Don't agree with all of it but it was interesting.
3597. theDiva - 2/5/2001 7:17:59 PM
Yardley's contentions WRT the treatment of white musicians, both in jazz and Jazz, are a crock of shit.
As WM pointed out, musicians don't care what color you are, if you've got fresh ideas or an interesting sound, they are going to listen and learn. Hell, Pres' favorite musician was Frankie Trumbauer, a white man. Pops loved, respected, and jammed with Bix. The list goes on.
As far as Burns' documentary is concerned, one of my gripes was the inordinate amount of time he spent on Benny Goodman and Artie Shaw who, while arguably jazz musicians and certainly integral to the spread of big band (kindly note phrase employed) music, were not nearly as important to the music itself as Count Basie, say, on whom Burns spent not as much time as he should have. Hell, he even spent more time on Dave Brubeck than he did on Charles Mingus, who got five minutes and a very broad brush treatment as an 'angry young man', which completely downplays Mingus' brilliance as a musician, composer, and teacher.
Geez.
3598. theDiva - 2/5/2001 7:18:55 PM
phew. Now my blood's pumping. Guess I'll go write those agenda items now.
3599. Wombat - 2/5/2001 8:29:40 PM
I'm glad Burns spent a lot of time on Coltrane.
3600. theDiva - 2/5/2001 8:35:44 PM
I agree. Well deserved, I thought. And did you know there is/was a Church of St. John Coltrane? I have to go find their website.
3601. Rosetta Stone - 2/5/2001 10:09:19 PM
I'm glad that I learned the story of Lester Young. I had never heard of him before the program.
3602. theDiva - 2/5/2001 10:14:16 PM
Seriously? Oh, he is absolutely wonderful, isn't he? You must watch 'Round Midnight...bits of the main character (played by Dexter Gordon, speaking of sublime tenor men) are based on Pres. And of course the music is out of this world.
Pick up either/both 'The Quintessential Billie Holiday, Volume 5, 1937-1938' or 'Lady Day's 25 Greatest, 1933-1944' to hear some incredible work he does with Lady. I have two other recordings to recommend to you, where Pres is the main attraction, but they're at home and I don't want to give you the wrong titles. I'll post them tomorrow.
3603. OhioSTOPAS - 2/5/2001 10:30:46 PM
Women just can't resist musicians:
3604. OhioSTOPAS - 2/5/2001 10:39:15 PM
There SHOULD be a picture there . . .
Hmm, just when I thought I was approaching computer literacy. I'll slink back to "Try the Mote".
3605. theDiva - 2/5/2001 10:39:49 PM
no, it's there. Patience, young grasshopper.
3606. OhioSTOPAS - 2/5/2001 10:42:35 PM
Thank you, thank you for calling me "young"!
3607. theDiva - 2/5/2001 10:50:34 PM
we aims to please.
3608. OhioSTOPAS - 2/5/2001 10:53:31 PM
And Lucy and Schroeder appeared, just like you said.
3609. theDiva - 2/5/2001 10:54:01 PM
It's MAGIC.
3610. don s. - 2/6/2001 5:01:02 AM
been getting caught up with (two senses) Francisco Céspedes, thanks to my BF
and thanks to Napster! (like they say, ¡escucha antes de comprar! ... and comprar I will!)
(to anyone wishing to try some, I suggest starting with “Quedate Más” mmm ... soo-blee-may)
3611. Cellar Door - 2/6/2001 5:13:10 AM
BF?
SPILL!
3612. don s. - 2/6/2001 5:22:27 AM
...De esta vida loca,loca,loca
con su loca realidad
que se havuelto loca,loca,loca
por buscar otro lugar
pero le provoca
este sufrimiento
y no me abandona
porque ami me toca
esta vida loca.
Well, anyway, I think that answers your question.
3613. Frankster - 2/6/2001 6:10:47 AM
Qu'est-ce que vous chanter, Don ? Qual cancion es esa ?
( Pardon all the bad spelling )
3614. theDiva - 2/6/2001 4:19:41 PM
Stone
Here's the two CDs I mentioned yesterday
Lester Young - The Super Sessions
I think this one is an import. It's great - Pres with the Nat Cole trio; with his own quartet; and with the KC Seven, Basie alumna all - Basie, Buck Clayton, Freddie Green, Jo Jones, Dicky Wells, Rodney Richardson. Good stuff.
Pres and Teddy - The Lester Young-Teddy Wilson Quartet.
Sublime. This one's on Verve.
If you have Realjukebox, and you're interested, I'll send you a couple of tunes.
3615. KuligintheHooligan - 2/6/2001 4:30:27 PM
I am really having a lot of fun with my CD burner. Here's two CDs I recently made of "Easy Listening music" my favorites:
Easy Listening 1
1 - Streets of Philadelphia, Bruce Springsteen, 3:56
2 - Rosanna, Toto, 5:35
3 - Africa, Toto, 5:01
4 - Sister Golden Hair Surprise, America, 3:21
5 - She’s Got a Way, Billy Joel, 3:02
6 - In Your Eyes, Peter Gabriel, 5:31
7 - Fire & Rain, James Taylor, 3:27
8 - Your Song, Elton John, 4:04
9 - Southern Cross, Crosby, Stills, & Nash, 4:39
10 - Easy, Commodores, 4:25
11 - Nobody Does It Better, Carly Simon, 3:32
12 - Up on a Roof, James Taylor, 4:21
13 - Your Smiling Face, James Taylor, 2:48
14 - Too Hot, Kool & the Gang, 5:05
15 - Still, Commodores, 3:44
16 - Hello, Lionel Richie, 4:11
17 - Listen to Your Heart, Roxette, 5:09
Easy Listening 2
1 - Yellow Brick Road, Elton John, 3:14
2 - Telephone Line, ELO, 4:38
3 - Longer, Dan Fogelberg, 3:13
4 - All by Myself, Eric Carmen, 4:55
5 - After the Love Is Gone, Earth, Wind & Fire, 4:27
6 - I Want to Know what Love Is, Foreigner, 5:02
7 - Hole Hearted, Extreme, 3:39
8 - Remember the Feeling, Chicago, 4:30
9 - If You Could Read My Mind, Gordon Lightfoot, 3:48
10 - Faithfully, Journey, 4:26
11 - Desperato, Eagles, 3:34
12 - Goodbye, Night Ranger, 4:18
13 - You Could Have Been with Me, Sheena Easton, 3:45
14 - Nothing Compares to You, Sinead O’Connor, 5:13
15 - Forgiveness, Don Henley, 5:14
16 - Lift Me Up, Jeff Lynne, 3:38
17 - The Winner Takes It All, Abba, 4:55
3616. don s. - 2/6/2001 4:32:53 PM
Fraaaaaank,
That's from “Vida Loca” by Francisco Céspedes. Not be confused with that other vida loca song... eurgh.
3617. Rosetta Stone - 2/6/2001 11:34:53 PM
Thanks, but no thanks, diva. I'm not into downloading music from the internet.
Nothing but problems last time I did it. And my kid had hundreds of Napster songs downloaded but when his computer caught a virus, we had to delete them all to clean up his hard drive.
I see from the promotion that Ken Burn's JAZZ has a Lester Young CD for sale and eventuallly I'll buy it.
Speaking of buying stuff, on a whim, I just purchased David Gray's "White Ladder."
I saw him singing Babylon in concert on VH-1 and liked the video (isn't that terrible). But after two listens, I think the CD sucks.
And so it goes...
3618. Rosetta Stone - 2/6/2001 11:43:08 PM
But...one interesting piece of music on David Gray's album is at the end of his totally forgetable tune called "Say Hello Wave Goodbye. He goes into a vocal/wooden guitar riff of "Into the Mystic" and "Madam George" by Van Morrison. It was so good that it got me to looking for my "Van the Man" albums.
BTW, Van Morrison is going to be in New Orleans soon to celebrate Louis Armstrong's 100th birthday celebration.
3619. arkymalarky - 2/7/2001 2:08:36 AM
Great pictures, Ohio! You can tell she really did a good job from the expressions and gestures captured in them. I know you've got to be really proud.
3620. joezan - 2/7/2001 5:07:53 AM
Great looking kid, Ohio.
(now, that other kid...)
3621. theDiva - 2/7/2001 3:22:46 PM
Stone
This isn't Napster or anything like it, it's recordings I've made of my own CDs. But if you're not interested, that's okay. Just make sure you get you some Pres.
3622. rubberducky - 2/7/2001 8:16:01 PM
picked up NickelBack's The State CD and i am really liking it. good solid rock that's just shy of headache inducing - loud, a little obnoxious, but very entertaining and i enjoy listening to it.
it you have listened to rock radio lately, then you've most likely heard Leader of Men, which is a fantastic song. there's also an acoustic version on the CD which is a nice change of pace.
in short, if you liked Leader of Men, you'll like the CD and worth a pickup
3623. labwabbit - 2/10/2001 1:46:58 AM
Aint it foggy outside,
All the planes have been
grounded,
There's a fire inside,
Let's all go gather
round it,
Funny, I've been there,
And you'd been here,
We aint had no time,
to drink that beer.
'Cause I understand,
You've been runnin' from a man,
Who goes by the name
of the sandman.
He rides the sky,
like an eagle in the eye,
of a hurricane
that's abandoned.
3624. joezan - 2/10/2001 5:36:39 AM
America - one of the most under-rated '70s bands. It always amazed me that the same guys who did that song (and Horse With No Name - both great mood pieces), also did Sister Golden Hair, one of my favorite pop songs of the era, and Muskrat Love.
There is, btw, a new Christian rocker, name of Andrew Peterson, who writes and sounds uncannily like America.
3625. labwabbit - 2/10/2001 9:57:14 PM
America - one of the most under-rated '70s bands. It always amazed me that the same guys who did that song (and Horse With No Name - both great mood pieces), also did Sister Golden Hair, one of my favorite pop songs of the era, and Muskrat Love.
joe
Spent many a courtin' day listening to America's balladeerings. Spent several evenings in subsequent years with them playing in the background. I do agree with the "under-rated" assessment. However, the Muskrat Love one didn't cut it with me.
3626. arkymalarky - 2/10/2001 10:04:42 PM
Not even the Captain and Tennille version?
3627. labwabbit - 2/11/2001 12:09:53 AM
Not even the Captain and Tennille version?
Hahahahaha....the Captain and Ten-ills? Do you realize you just blew many hours of therapy I underwent to forget that version???
3628. arkymalarky - 2/11/2001 12:27:07 AM
Oh darn. I hate that.
One of Bob's favorite things to do to irritate is try to remember my most hated songs from way back, the kind that get stuck in my head for days at a time when I hear them, and whistle them.
3629. labwabbit - 2/11/2001 12:35:43 AM
I really thought it was kinda strange to be imagining what little Suzy and Sammy muskrat were up to inside that lodge.
...and that infernal "chi-chi-chi" at the end.
Arrrrgh.
*I am now forced to put in a Jimi Hendrix cd so that the healing process can begin....once again. ;->
3630. Rosetta Stone - 2/11/2001 3:47:37 AM
3631. arkymalarky - 2/11/2001 4:54:52 AM
3632. joezan - 2/11/2001 4:55:20 AM
Just for the record, even *I* did not like Muskrat Love - it's the striking contrast in styles I meant to illustrate.
And I swear - for the life of me I cannot remember any Cap'n & Tenille version. Was it a hit? Maybe regional? Or was it so putrid I've erased it from my memory?
3633. arkymalarky - 2/11/2001 4:57:35 AM
The latter, I'm sure.
3634. CalGal - 2/11/2001 7:11:48 PM
Injunction against Napster was partially upheld.
Napster is liable if they specifically knew that infringement occurred (which seems like a pretty big loophole). The case was sent back to federal court.
3635. rubberducky - 2/11/2001 7:19:41 PM
well, that's a reasonable decision
3636. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 8:45:19 PM
3637. rubberducky - 2/11/2001 8:56:17 PM
that the new band?
3638. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:00:07 PM
Most of 'em. We're missing two more horn players who couldn't come that day and a new guy we added yesterday who plays guitar AND keyboards. We don't play with all five....er....six horn players all the time, but we have a roster of guys who switch out depending on who's available.
3639. labwabbit - 2/11/2001 9:02:39 PM
My pixel-fairy is acting up CO. Are you in that pic?
3640. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:14:31 PM
Yep, right in the center standing over the slap-head in the striped shirt. That's me and the other back-up singer---she's the short-haired one.
3641. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:15:40 PM
And, yes, I'm leaning over a little bit. I'm short, but I'm not THAT short.
3642. labwabbit - 2/11/2001 9:17:15 PM
Damn...
I wish my resolution was better.
"Slap-head"? Hahaha.
3643. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:19:56 PM
That's what the singer calls him because of his shaved head. Then we got a bassist who also shaves his head and he said "Why don't you put your heads together and make an ass of yourselves". We're considering that pic for the website when we put it up.
3644. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:21:31 PM
L'wabbit,
Is your hotmail account still working? I can email the file to you if you want. I didn't post full size here because I didn't want to mess up the margins.
3645. labwabbit - 2/11/2001 9:22:32 PM
Christin
Yes,
...and COOL.
3646. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:25:48 PM
Incoming!
3647. rubberducky - 2/11/2001 9:36:24 PM
looks good dollbabe!
all ya need now is someone playin' the juice-harp
3648. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:41:49 PM
Funny you should say that. There are only five memebers of the band that aren't Jewish. It's the big joke when we audition new players. Slaphead, the drummer, says "We like the way you play and you've got a great vibe. We'd like you to join us, but there's just one thing: Will you convert?"
3649. JJBiener - 2/11/2001 9:44:33 PM
Christin - What a babe! I don't know how we did it, but we have managed to attract some of the best looking women to this site. I would love to watch you guys perform. Do you do Kid Charlemagne?
3650. JJBiener - 2/11/2001 9:46:49 PM
Christin - I am Jewish. Can I play keys for you guys?
3651. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 9:52:36 PM
JJ,
We'd love to have you!
This is our set list for the upcoming show:
Set I
Green Earrings
Deacon Blues
Don't Take Me Alive
Home At Last
Third World Man
Pretzel Logic
Babylon Sister
Kid Charlemagne
Set II
Josie
Black Cow
Rikki Don't Lose That Number
Black Friday
FM (No Static At All)
Peg
Night by Night
Dr. Wu
My Old School
Songs we know but aren't playing this time around:
Dirty Work
Chain Lightning
Any Major Dude
Sign in Stranger----I'm really pushing for this to go back in the set. It's a great tune.
3652. JJBiener - 2/11/2001 10:08:47 PM
Chirstin - Nice set list. Now all I have to do is find an excuse to come out to LA.
3653. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 10:12:59 PM
Bring the whole family!
3654. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 10:14:52 PM
Bring 'em to see the Mouse and the Beach and Hollywood. My place is too small to house you, but I'm good for a home-cooked meal anytime!
3655. JJBiener - 2/11/2001 10:22:25 PM
Christin - I make it a firm policy to never stay with friends. I don't even like to stay with family. The meal I may take you up on.
I have written a song which I am going to actively push to get recorded. That may give me an excuse to come to LA. We'll have to see how that works out.
3656. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 10:27:19 PM
How exciting! Definitely let me know if you're coming to town! I'll keep my fingers crossed about the song AND your trip.
3657. JJBiener - 2/11/2001 10:36:06 PM
Christin - Everyone I have played the song to has gone nuts over it. Of course they are all friends and family, so I am going to play it at the NSAI meeting tonight. I'll see what kind of reaction it gets from other songwriters. NSAI has a song plugging service that will help me get it recorded.
SuzyQ gave me the title and the basic idea. I took it from there. Obviously I am giving her a cowriting credit. I have written a lot of songs, but this one is probably my best.
3658. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 10:38:50 PM
JJ,
You're able to record it locally, right? You'd just bring it to LA to shop it around or what exactly? I'm so new to all of this I really don't know anything. Why LA rather than Nashville or Memphis?
3659. JJBiener - 2/11/2001 10:51:25 PM
Christin - I can record extremely locally. My basement to be specific. I have created a small computer-based digital studio in a corner of my basement. Between that and the equipment I use for my band, I can make a relatively professional sounding demo.
I will do the marketing via phone, mail, email, web etc. However, once it is placed and an artist is gong to record it, I will likely have to meet with the appropriate parties in person. That generally means New York, Nashville or LA. Most deals are done in one of those three cities. There are smaller places that have gained prominence in the last few years like Austin and Memphis, but the vast majority are still in the big three. Besides, I will have to come to LA to accept my Grammy. (G) No one will accuse me of thinking small, will they?
3660. ChristinO - 2/11/2001 11:01:40 PM
Right on!!!
3661. JJBiener - 2/11/2001 11:47:05 PM
Christin - When your band's web site is ready, mail me the URL and I will put it the butter bar.
3662. ChristinO - 2/12/2001 1:00:28 AM
Will do, JJ.
We had a site for about 30 seconds but it was created by a guy who dropped out of the band. We recently aquired the domain name from him but I think I'm the only person in the band with any HTML skills at all. Which means that the site won't be much to look at for at least a week. I'm verrrrry sloooow with this stuff because I don't do it very often. I still have to look stuff up at Webmonkey and in my Books all the time.
Ah, well, practice makes......better!
3663. arkymalarky - 2/12/2001 2:07:01 AM
Great looking band, Chris! I love Steely Dan. Is there a particular reason y'all do so much of their music?
3664. ChristinO - 2/12/2001 2:09:27 AM
The Drummer and the Keyboard player are huge fans of Steely Dan. They got together with the guitarist and just started learning and playing a bunch of the music and finally put together a whole band. I had no idea there was any market for a Steely Dan tribute band, but apparently there is.
3665. arkymalarky - 2/12/2001 2:16:22 AM
It's great music. I've been to at least two concerts where they played Steely Dan before any performers came out--one concert was Pat Metheny, and I can't remember who the other was, but I want to think it was a modern jazz-type performer, too.
3666. ChristinO - 2/12/2001 2:21:19 AM
I had no idea how many songs of theirs I already knew and loved. I tend to be fonder of their older stuff than the newer---It's all great, but the old stuff is what really gets me going.
3667. joezan - 2/13/2001 5:07:41 AM
Two great, but largely-forgotten, later-era Steely Dan tunes:
Century's End, from the movie Bright Lights, Big City (late 80's)...never did buy that soundtrack, and now can't find it. Come to think of it, that's Fagen solo, but still great.
Kamakiriad, title track ('94?). Another "future vision" song, in the vein of IGY (a Fagen solo effort from The Nightfly). Beautifully crafted, as is the entire album.
3668. joezan - 2/13/2001 5:14:58 AM
Christin:
You are brave souls, tackling a full menu of Steely Dan songs - I don't think I've ever heard more than one or two cover bands that would try even one. Sounds like you have the personnel, though - SD's horns just do not sound right played on a synth. I'd love to hear you guys sometime.
3669. Indiana Jones - 2/13/2001 10:59:03 PM
Good news: Lopez may be available. Bad news: her ex has some bad-ass homeys.
3670. msgreer - 2/14/2001 8:34:46 AM
JJ
When you win your first Grammy you'll have a huge audience of Motie fans cheering you on.
3671. rubberducky - 2/14/2001 4:21:18 PM
i hope he gets a black lesbian judge...
Feb. 14, 2001 | MOUNT CLEMENS, Mich. --
Rap superstar Eminem, who is nominated for four awards at next week's Grammys, has agreed to plead guilty to a charge of carrying a concealed weapon, prosecutors announced Wednesday.
Eminem faces up to five years in prison when he is sentenced on April 10. However, a publicist for the controversial rapper, whose real name is Marshall Mathers III, said Eminem will seek probation.
"Marshall is looking forward to putting this matter behind him," Dennis Dennehey said.
In return for the plea, Macomb County assistant prosecutor David Portuesi said a charge of assault with a dangerous weapon was dropped. The rapper's sentence will be left up to the judge.
3672. labwabbit - 2/17/2001 1:06:09 AM
i hope he gets a black lesbian judge...
Are you saying that this particular type of justice is prone to bias more than other ethnic-orientation?
3673. wabbit - 2/18/2001 2:30:12 AM
Balthazar Klossowski de Rola, 1908-2001
The Mountain, 1937
3674. MsIvoryTower - 2/18/2001 2:40:43 AM
My God that's beautiful, Wabbit.
3675. Cellar Door - 2/18/2001 5:02:02 PM
3676. rubberducky - 2/18/2001 5:10:05 PM
Re: Message # 3672, labwabbit.
Are you saying that this particular type of justice is prone to bias more than other ethnic-orientation?
nope. i'm saying that if he gets a (unlikely) lengthy sentence, i'd like to see someone of the group(s) he has bashed meter out the punishment
otoh, if it is what i am expecting - i'd like for him to get leniency from the group(s) and not a het white male judge
3677. labwabbit - 2/18/2001 6:34:37 PM
ducks...
Just yankin' yer chain there guy.
3678. Cellar Door - 2/23/2001 1:22:01 AM
Dear Friends;
It is with this letter that we, the Fans Of Real Music (FORM), officially
denounce and protest the selection of Steely Dan "Two Against Nature" as the
Grammy Award's Record Of The Year.
We, the loving fans of Eminem, Madonna, Brittany Spears, Coolio, N'sync,
Christina Aguilara, The Backstreet Boys, Dr. Dre, Metallica, Limp Biscuit,
Snoop Doggy Dog and The Deftones urge you to boycott ALL music that utilizes
ANY of the following musical elements: Melody, harmony, phrasing, dynamics,
arrangement, good intonation, tonality, modulation, improvisation, real
instrumentation, more than two sections and lyrics we understand.
We also ask you not to listen to any music that DOES NOT contain acceptable
subject matter.
Acceptable subject matter would include ONLY the following: Death, gang
rape, mayhem, gender changing, bigotry, masturbation, public defecation,
penile implants, John Rocker, and school bombings.
We are profoundly convinced that Mr. Dan is either a communist or an agent
of Napster as his covert actions against the Great Recording Industry are
obviously an attempt to take food out of the mouths of our country's most
loved artists.
We urge you to not purchase or see any music that is "jazz based" or has
"jazz influence" as it undermines the purpose of music in America.
We ask you to write your local representative as Steely Dan's attempts to
destroy the Great Recording Industry can not go unnoticed.
Now for the good stuff.
Please forward this email to 15 of your closest friends and you will
receive:
A) A $20 gift certificate to Tower Records will pop up on your
screen!
B) A FREE automatic Napster download of Milli Vannelli singing
"My Funny Valentine"
C) Advance jpeg files from Hustler's upcoming spread on "The
Dixie Chicks"
3679. Cellar Door - 2/23/2001 1:40:16 AM
This just in from Alan Eichler, a friend of Bill's:
"Last night I brought Joni James to the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award dinner
for Barbra Streisand, where she was a surprise guest performer. The whole
thing was hush-hush from the beginning and a true surprise to everyone but
the staff. (The other surprise guest was Phyllis Diller, who had headlined
with Streisand at the Bon Soir in Greenwich Village back in the early 60's.)
Streisand sat a dais in the middle of the Beverly Hilton grand ballroom with
the Bergmans, her husband and son, and other close friend, with various
stars and industry bigwigs scattered throughout the room. A big screen was
at the side of the stage showing the clips. This year's show had a taped
interview with Streisand discussing her entire career that was shown
throughout the show in addition to the many clips and when talking about her
early life, she mentioned how she loved Joni James, especially "Have You
Heard," when she was growing up in Brooklyn (it was also her first audition
song)...Later in the show, when they got to "The Way We Were," clips from
the film were followed by Marvin Hamlisch at the piano talking about writing
the song with the Bergmans and as he started to play, Joni's voice was heard
singing offstage. She entered as Hamlisch announced "Joni James" to a
surprised gasp from the audience and lots of applause. Joni looked smashing
in a black-fringed French designer Tuxedo-style dress.
3680. Cellar Door - 2/23/2001 1:40:51 AM
In the middle of the
song she did a nice recitation about coming through all these years to
finally meet Barbra and then went back into the bridge ("if we had to do it
all again--would we, could we..." It was really a special moment and it was
just her and Hamlisch, no orchestra. This should put an end to people
thinking she's just a studio singer. Her voice may be erratic at times, but
she scores a bullseye when it comes to true heartfelt emotion, and this
evening was a triple bullseye. The only downer was that her 90-year-old
husband, four-star Gen. Bernard A. Schriever (the father of the entire
aerospace program) was rushed to the hospital by paramedics at the end of
the show and I rode in the ambulance with he and Joni and sat with them til
about 5 in the morning at the UCLA emergancy room. A few hours earlier, I
had been in the green room with Elizabeth Taylor, Sidney Poitier, Dustin
Hoffman, Clint Eastwood, Lauren Bacall, Anjelica Huston, and others of that
ilk and then was abruptly in the ER with patients with DT's being wheeled
around and urine being mopped off the floor! That's showbiz! Incidentally,
Liz Taylor sat down to rest after coming offstage and had a really sweet
conversation with Joni, the Gen. and I in the Green Room before leaving. I'm
not sure if she knew who Joni was or not, but you'd never know. She acted
like it was a dear old friend. I think she just wanted to talk and rest
before having to walk again. Her back is really bad...The show was almost
four hours long, so don't know what will air--it's sometime in May on
Fox--more later....."
3681. PelleNilsson - 2/23/2001 11:06:38 PM
I just heard, on the radio, two versions of How Great Thou Art: Mahalia Jackson and Elvis Presley. What I didn't know is that the song is Swedish, composed in a small provincial town towards the end of the 19th century and brought to the US by emigrants.
3682. Jamie R - 2/25/2001 4:40:42 AM
I just got back from Chicago, where I had a chance to see The Last Pancake Breakfast. It's an amusing painting, but unfortunately pretty crudely executed. It looks as though the artist liked the gimmick but beyond that didn't much want to be bothered with the work of making the actual painting. I would think that if you're going to play off of the great masters, then mimmicking their technique is at least half the joke.
And whoever is responsible for the prevalence of "artist's statements" in galleries has unleashed a great evil on the world.
Aside from that (okay, in part because of that) the show was fun. If you're in the area it's worth the three bucks.
3683. joezan - 2/25/2001 5:20:18 AM
Pelle:
That is by far my favorite hymn. Our church closes its annual Easter Pageant with a sort of How Great../Hallelujah Chorus medley, with a 200-voice choir and orchestra, which is the most beautiful rendition I've ever heard.
BTW - I've been told its syntactical oddness is just a dramatic device. But could it be the result of the Swed. - Eng. translation?
O Lord my God,
When I in awesome wonder
Consider all
The works Thy Hand hath made,
I see the stars,
I hear the mighty thunder,
Thy pow'r throughout
The universe displayed;
Refrain:
Then sings my soul,
My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art!
How great Thou art!
When through the woods
And forest glades I wander
I hear the birds
Sing sweetly in the trees;
When I look down
From lofty mountain grandeur
And hear the brook
And feel the gentle breeze;
Refrain:
But when I think
That God, his Son not sparing,
Sent Him to die,
I scarce can take it in,
That on the cross
My burden gladly bearing
He bled and died
To take away my sin;
Refrain:
When Christ shall come,
With shouts of acclamation,
And take me home,
What joy shall fill my heart!
Then I shall bow
In humble adoration
And there proclaim,
"My God, how great Thou art!"
Refrain:
3684. Frankster - 2/27/2001 4:49:10 PM
JJ,
As a musician maybe you can answer this for me: A couple of days ago, I pulled out a box of old vinyl in search of a particular artist and their respective song. I couldn't help take a few minutes to peruse some liner notes of some favorite techno pop bands of the early 80s and noticed that many mentioned the names of the types of synthesizers they had employed in their album. Is this just crass marketing at work here, or are there substantial differences in their sound ? I thought synthesizers could pretty much do anything, including emulating another synthesizer...Is there a big difference twixt what a Roland MC8, a Korg 770, or a Casio VLT 1 can do ? Why do they place synthesizers in "lights" ?
After all, you rarely see a guitarist plug his Gibson or Rickenbacher(sp?). What's going on here ?
3685. JJBiener - 2/27/2001 5:32:38 PM
Fraaank - First of all, a good guitarist can often tell what guitar is being used on a recording by the sound. Even I can usually tell the difference between a Fender Strat and a Fender Telecaster or between a Fender and a Gibson.
To your question, it is important to remember that you are talking about the early 80's. Synths were still relatively new and the technology was advancing rapidly. There was a certain amount of status involved in having the absolutely latest equipment. Techno-pop bands often had a geekier-than-thou attitude about their equipment.
The synths used in the early 80's were still analog. As a result each synth had a unique set of sounds. For example it would have been extremely difficult to make an Oberheim sound like a Sequential Circuits Prophet or a Roland Juno.
One more thing. Techno pop bands often built their "sound" around the sounds their keyboards produced. Spandau Ballet sounded the way they did because of the choices they made in keyboards. Since that was so much of their sound, it made sense to highlight it.
That is my take anyway. FWIW.
3686. Frankster - 2/27/2001 5:46:31 PM
Thanks, JJ!
I just pulled out Erasure's Pop 20 Hitsfrom my collection, and in their liner notes, they list no less than 17 different synthesizers which they have used to make their sound.
I love the techno sounds that they can produce, but I draw the line when a band uses them in place of what should be strings.
3687. JJBiener - 2/27/2001 5:49:10 PM
Frank - To give you an idea of the change in technology, I can probably duplicate their sound including all 17 different synths entirely inside my computer. That makes this a wonderful time to be a musician.
3688. Frankster - 2/27/2001 6:04:07 PM
(sigh) I wish I could play the keyboards. After listening to Kraftwerk some 24 years ago (Autobahn), I've been entralled by some of the sounds and music they can produce. It's amazing what some can sound like.
Thanks again, JJ.
By the way, what became of the Vox name ? You know, what came before Marshall, et all ?
3689. theDiva - 2/28/2001 12:54:24 AM
what can anyone tell me about this group called the Barenaked Ladies?
3690. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 12:58:45 AM
Diva - They aren't bare. They aren't naked (thank God). They aren't ladies. They are a pop/hip-hop group who have done reasonably well on the pop charts. I know their CDs have a Parental Advisory label on them. I think it is primarily for some bad language. I don't think there is anything too serious in their stuff.
3691. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 1:00:00 AM
Fraank - I am not sure what happened to Vox.
BTW, pick up Kraftwerk's greatest hits CD. You won't be sorry.
3692. theDiva - 2/28/2001 1:02:11 AM
JJ
Thanks...how bad language, do you know? The reason I ask is that Gracie has recently started listening to pop radio and pointed out two songs of theirs which she liked...they were reasonably catchy and rather amusing lyrically. I thought maybe I'd pick up a CD for her but I wanted to be sure.
3693. Frankster - 2/28/2001 7:04:42 AM
JJ,
I went to an Erasure link where the discussion in their page turns to analog versus digital. You mentioned that also. What's the difference ? Here's the link in case you want read what they say : Techno pop at its best! :-)
Speaking of Erasure: From the CD, The Circus(1987) :
Sometimes
It's not the way you lead me by the hand into the bedroom
It's not the way you throw your clothes upon the bathroom floor
Been thinkin' about you,
I just couldn't wait to see
Fling my arms around you as we fall in ecstasy
Ooh sometimes
The truth is harder than the pain inside
Ooh sometimes
It's the broken heart that decides
It's not the way you caress me, toy with my affection
It's not my sense of emptiness you fill with your desire
Climb in bed beside me
We can lock the world outside
Touch me satisfy me, warm your body next to mine
Ooh sometimes
The truth is harder than the pain inside
Ooh sometimes
It's the broken heart that decides
I love this song, and It's amazing how those keyboards are able to duplicate the sound of a trumpet -- wow!
3694. Frankster - 2/28/2001 7:08:38 AM
Deev,
Oops, I forgot to address your post. I've heard of them, but I'll ask my most current lunch dates and see what they know about them.
... You see, my lunch dates have been rather young of late. (g)
3695. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 6:06:50 PM
Diva - how bad language, do you know?
I don't know for sure, but the impression I get from the group is that they can't be too bad. TeenAngel confirms that impression. I think Gracie would be fine with it. She is smart enough to skip over any songs that bother her.
You can always get the CD and listen to it first. Make your own judgement.
3696. Uterine Fury - 2/28/2001 6:09:17 PM
urk! Spend money on a - shudder - POP CD?
The mind reels. I may go into labor right now.
3697. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 8:26:27 PM
Diva - It could be worse. It could be Brittney Spears or the Backstreet Boys. There are places where you can listen to BNL on the web, but I would never advocate something like that.
3698. Uzmakk - 2/28/2001 10:24:17 PM
Biener:
Just read back about 50 posts. Haven't visited Art and Music for a dog's age. Very exciting about the song. Surely you know of the Mote, Beardsley, Uzmakk World Book Tour. Disappointed that you didn't ask to be put on my list?
3699. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 10:35:01 PM
Uzmakk - I will try to explain. I would very much like to see your book. I have a great love of books. Your book sounds like an amazing specimen. As much as I would like to see it, I don't want to be responsible for it. If something were to happen to it while it was in my care I would feel absolutely terrible. It is for that reason that I chose not to participate. I think it is incredibly generous of you to offer it as you have. I admire you for doing so. I hope you understand my decision.
3700. Uzmakk - 2/28/2001 10:48:44 PM
I certainly understand, you chicken. If I am brave enough to send the thing out you should certainly have the courage to recieve it. Goodness what a dense little pile of tripe.
3701. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 10:51:41 PM
Uzmakk - Of course if you insist, I could sign up and put it in my cat's litter box for a week.
3702. Uzmakk - 2/28/2001 10:55:47 PM
Well, I never...
3703. Uzmakk - 2/28/2001 10:56:25 PM
I am sputtering.
3704. Uzmakk - 2/28/2001 10:56:54 PM
I am beside myself.
3705. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 10:57:15 PM
Uz - (G)
3706. Uzmakk - 2/28/2001 10:59:16 PM
(G)
3707. Uzmakk - 2/28/2001 11:11:20 PM
But honestly, Biener, I think your cowardice could be contagious. Nanny nanny nanny I'm afraid of what might happen and I would feel bad. (The truth ofcourse being that you are simply not interested) Were you indeed fearful The Lord of the Steppe could teach you much; I am never afraid of what might happen and I am never sorry.
At any rate, I would appreciate it if you would please delete all of these posts immediately before you start a panic among my recipients which will eventually lead to the crash of the stock market.
3708. JJBiener - 2/28/2001 11:27:40 PM
Ok, put me on the list. I was wavering anyway.
3709. Uzmakk - 3/1/2001 12:01:59 AM
Done. But relax, it won't be reaching you for a couple of months. I thank you, America thanks you, Wall Street thanks you.
3710. JJBiener - 3/1/2001 12:19:06 AM
I feel almost . . . patriotic.
3711. JJBiener - 3/1/2001 6:15:59 AM
Fraaaank - You asked about the difference between analog and digital synths. You weren't specific so I will answer in a couple of ways.
Physically the technology between the two is very difference. Analog equipment operates off control voltages, digital equipement deals with numbers which represent sound. Analog equipment was prone to problems. They would drift out of tune, they were difficult to program and they were not terribly reliable. Digital equipment didn't have these problems but they just didn't have the same sound.
That brings us to the second difference, sound. Analog equipment had a unique sound. It was fat and warm and wonderfully unpredictable. Digital equipment especially at first tended to sound thin and sterile. Initially digital was the rage because it solved so many of the problems with analog. After a while musicians began to miss that fat sound and they started going back and pulling their analog gear out of the closet.
That led us to where we are now. Computing technology has advanced to point to where a computer can produce complex and interesting sounds. Programmers create models of instruments on the computer and then those models produce the digital information that is converted into sound. One of the most popular uses of this is to model the old analog equipement and reproduce its sounds without the difficulties involved with the old technology.
I am not sure if this answers your question. If not I will try to elaborate.
3712. JJBiener - 3/1/2001 7:05:25 PM
I received this from Sun Studios. I thought someone here might find it interesting.
MALCOLM YELVINGTON
Dear Friends,
Just writing to tell you we've lost another of the original "Greats" who invented Rock N' Roll here at Sun Studio. We're saddened he's not here drinking coffee with us this morning...
Malcolm Yelvington was born in Tipton County in West Tennessee on September 14, 1918. He grew up in Covington and remained there until moving to Memphis as a young man.
Malcolm's first professional performance was as a solo act at the Gem Theatre in Covington in 1943. He sang and accompanied himself on guitar. Later, Malcolm met keyboard player and composer Reece Fleming and steel guitar player Red Wynn and formed a group, The Tennesseans, which played dances and honky tonks around West Tennessee. Eventually bassist Jake Ryles and lead guitarist Gordan Mashburn joined the group and they changed the name of the band to Malcolm Yelvington and The Star Rhythm Boys.
In 1954, the band went into Sam Phillips' Sun Studio and recorded Drinkin' Wine Spodeeodee, a cover of a Sticks Mcgee song. Sticks was the brother of blues great Brownie Mcgee. The song was released on the Sun Record label as single # 211. The song released just before Drinkin' Wine Spodeeodee was Sun single # 210, Good Rockin' Tonight, by a young man named Elvis Presley.
3713. JJBiener - 3/1/2001 7:05:49 PM
Malcolm's version of Drinkin' Wine Spodeeodee was put on the backburner of Sun Records and became a minor hit while Elvis Presley's Good Rockin' Tonight became a nationwide success. Still under contract to Sam Phillips at Sun, but all of the studio time going to Elvis, Malcolm recorded the hit single Yakety - Yak for the Meteor label.
Malcolm spent about thirty years out of the music business, only continuing with his musical career after retiring. In 1988, Malcolm toured England and Holland playing to sold out houses every time he performed. Like many seminal American artists, Malcolm's biggest musical following is in Europe where it seems many American musical treasures are honored and revered while being virtually ignored in their own country. Malcolm returned to Sun Studio for his final musical release - Malcolm Yelvington: There's A Little Life Left In This Ole Boy Yet.
For the past ten years Malcolm has been a regular feature here at his Sun Studio home. He'd visit us almost daily, and we'd all share a cup of coffee and "sit at Malcolm's knee" listening to the fascinating stories and reminisces of the old days and all of the great artists who shared this place with Malcolm. Many of you met him. Malcolm passed away peacefully at approximately 10:30 pm on February 21, 2001. We will miss him dearly.
Sun Studio
"The Birthplace of Rock N' Roll!"
http://www.sunstudio.com
3714. ChristinO - 3/4/2001 9:07:25 PM
I was driving around with Billietta the DangerHound yesterday in the pouring rain. We'd been to the dog park and then to the Car Wash-----we like to go to the car wash on rainy days because there are no lines and you can save quarters on the rinse if it's coming down hard enough. Anyway for no reason at all mainly just because we happened to be passing by we stopped at a little indie music store called the Record Rover. They've got both new and used CDs but also a ton of vinyl and one of the best selections of Jazz and Blues in town.
I didn't have anything in mind that I wanted particularly and really just stopped on a whim but the music gods must've been guiding my hand because I found an amazing thing:
Frankly A Capella: The Persuasions Sing Zappa
That's right folks don't touch that dial!
The Persuasions sing such Zappa Favorites as Lumpy Gravy(ordinarily completely instrmental), Electric Aunt Jemima, The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing, You Are What You Is, Hot-Plate Heaven at the Green Hotel, and Harder Than Your Husband.
I've listened to this CD all the way through probably ten times since I bought it yesterday. I am in ecstacy!!! The link above just has clips, the title "Duodenum" is part of Lumpy Gravy.
Caress me Aunt Jemima!
3715. Frankster - 3/6/2001 9:24:56 PM
JJ,
Thank you for the explanation on analog versus digital keyboards earlier. Yes, you answered my question quite well.
...If one listened to as much stuff as I do from the techno pop sounds of the early and mid 80s, I think one's curiousity would naturally be piqued as to what the differences were.
Thanks again. You da man!
3716. JJBiener - 3/6/2001 11:52:57 PM
Fraaank - If you have any other questions, let me know. If I don't know the answer, I can point you in the right direction.
3717. bloodnfire - 3/7/2001 12:17:18 AM
Does anyone know where I can find the lyrics to the old song..."And Let The Rest Of The World Go By" ? Thanks.
3718. SnowOwl - 3/7/2001 2:03:22 AM
You probably mean this song, bloodnfire. It was one of my grandmother's favourites.
Is the struggle and strife,
we find in this life,
Really worthwhile after all?
I've been wishing today,
I could just run away,
out where the west winds call.
With someone like you.
A pal good and true
I'd like to leave it all behind,
and go and find
Some place that's known,
to God alone
Just a spot to call our own.
We'll find perfect peace,
where joys never cease
Out there beneath the kindly sky.
We'll build a sweet little nest,
somewhere in the west
And let the rest of the world go by
Is the future to hold,
just struggles for gold.
While the real world waits outside,
Away out on the breast
of the wonderful west,
Across the great Divide
With someone like you,
a pal good and true
I'd like to leave it all behind,
and go and find
Some place that's known to God alone
Just a spot to call our own.
We'll find perfect peace,
where joys never cease
Out there beneath the kindly sky.
We'll build a sweet little nest,
somewhere in the west
And let the rest of the world go by.
3719. RosettaStone - 3/7/2001 10:03:43 PM
I know it sounds crazy for me to write this but...
I had a dream last night that I was asked to perform with U2 in concert.
The one they're doing next summer.
At the rehearsal, The Edge was particularly impressed with my guitar work in "Where the Streets have No Name" and Bono's enjoyed my second harmony to his lead singing in "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For."
The fact that I'm Irish and buddies with Brian Eno had something to do with the contact.
3720. PelleNilsson - 3/7/2001 10:15:24 PM
Did you know that Johnnie B. Goode was a real person? He is due to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on March 19.
3721. bloodnfire - 3/7/2001 11:30:35 PM
Thanks so much, SnowOwl. Right on the money. I truly appreciate it.
3722. anomieme - 3/9/2001 5:50:07 AM
JJ,
Thanks for the invite. My experience was the typical garage band lead singer of the mid to late sixties and early seventies...high school dances...battle of the bands...a few paying gigs...shlepping equipment around in borrowed station wagons...scrounging pieces of PA systems. And trying to find a place to practice.
Over the years I picked up enough guitar from the other guys to hold my own with simple stuff. ...Played in a guitar duo for several years in bars.
YES I sang "FEELINGS" about a million times. Tease me now, but it was a great tip song.
So, when you're playing every night, it can be very hard to gather energy at 9PM on Wednesday night to play til 2AM and work the next day. But you're right. About three songs in, energy kicks in from somewhere.
3723. anomieme - 3/9/2001 5:52:42 AM
I still have a very old Gibson SG. It's gotta be from the early sixties. I bought it used for 200 dollars in 75. Anyone know where I could check the value? It is in poor cosmetic condition, but it is still very playable and holds a tune well.
3724. JJBiener - 3/9/2001 6:07:11 AM
anomieme - I think you are a bit older than I. I was in high school in the late 70's. I was in a band called Mariah. We played a few parties and dances. We did mostly rock and country rock like Pure Prairie League, Poco, REO, etc. The band broke up in college when the lead singer wanted to do a duo, him and his ego.
As you may have gathered from the health thread, I lost most of my 20's to illness. I didn't start playing keyboards again until I was in my 30's. I started putting Just Water together about 3 years ago. We stick to playing weekends because almost all of us have day jobs and families which take priority.
The success we have had over the past year has been a surprise to us. We expected to play for family and friends because they love us and would be willing to indulge us. We didn't really expect to get good. Apparently we have exceeded our expectations because we have bookings through May and we have no trouble filling any date we want to play.
Here is our temporary web site if you want to hear what we sound like.
3725. JJBiener - 3/9/2001 6:09:42 AM
anomieme - When in doubt, I go to Harmony Central. Either they have the info I am looking for or they have a link for it.
3726. anomieme - 3/9/2001 6:12:07 AM
JJ,
I forgot to say, I enjoy reading about your band and what some of the others are doing - Christino. It brings back memories. Sometimes I wish I'd have stuck to it. Now if I'd known Mick Jagger would still be rock'n at 50-something....
3727. anomieme - 3/9/2001 6:19:50 AM
JJ,
Thanks for those links. I'll check them in the morning. I was just signing off. I think I'm breaking a record for the amount of time I've spent on-line, due to the pleasure of communicating with you.
But now I've had it. The computer screen is melting in the dark...all the sweet green pixels pooring down. Ha!
Thanks JJ. Later.
3728. JJBiener - 3/9/2001 6:23:10 AM
Anomieme - Hey, none of us thought Mick would still be rockin' at the turn of the century. It is a shock to all of us. James Taylor looks like a middle-aged accountant. Paul McCartney (Sir) looks like a elementary school principal.
If you have the desire, pick up your axe and start practicing. Once you start getting your licks back, put up an ad on your local music store bulletin board and find some guys to play with. It worked for us.
3729. JJBiener - 3/9/2001 6:25:32 AM
Anomieme - Thanks for coming by. I will be out of town for the next few days so I won't be online. I'll be back next Friday so hopefully I will talk to you then.
3730. anomieme - 3/9/2001 6:25:50 AM
JJ,
(I can't stop)
Keyboards? If I knew what was gonna happen to keyboards, I'd still be in the business. It was almost impossible to find a good "organ" player back then, and when we did, we didn't know what to do with him most of the time. So we did Light My Fire with guitar.
But anyway, later when cheap synth keyboards hit big, you had it made if you played keyboards. You coluld just about pick your band.
Bottom line: Smart choice you made. Night.
3731. anomieme - 3/9/2001 4:41:34 PM
JJ,
I can't open those songs on the website. I get an error notice. Something about the path.
When you get back, maybe you can check it out. I'd like to hear them.
3732. Cellar Door - 3/9/2001 5:52:51 PM
3733. RosettaStone - 3/9/2001 6:13:06 PM
Sorry to read it. The Village People's music is wonderful.
"...after a long illness."
Does that mean HIV/AIDS?
3734. JudithAtHome - 3/9/2001 6:28:19 PM
Not necessarily.
3735. JudithAtHome - 3/9/2001 6:49:41 PM
We are going to a performance of Streetcar Named Desire at one of our local theatres this afternoon. It should be interesting because the director has never seen a stage performance of the play nor has he seen the movie. It will be interesting to see this play done without any influence from other performances...although presumably, the actors might have seen it done previously.
3736. Frankster - 3/9/2001 8:59:10 PM
Bloodnfire's query ( 3717 ) has inspired me to ask a similar question about a tune I remember as a small child. It's not the lyrics I want because it doesn't have any. It's a melancholic instrumental from the early 60s ( 1960 or '61 would be my guess ), and I believe that it might have been the theme to a movie or play. It is occasionally played on the local big band/standards station, and I believe the title had the words like "winter", "evening" and/or possibly "snow".
Does that ring a bell with any of you youngins ?
3737. anomieme - 3/10/2001 1:52:18 AM
Frank,
Was there a prominent instrument? Sax? Guitar?
I'm trying to remember the name of a melancholy sax tune from back then.
3738. Frankster - 3/10/2001 2:43:58 AM
anomieme,
No, there was no prominent instrument to speak of. A lot of strings and a little piano comes to mind. It sounded Percy Faith/Henry Mancini like, but I don't think it was from either of them.
A melancholic sax tune ? Hmmmmmmm, I don't know. My first thought on your query from that era was "Strangers on the Shore" by Mr. Harry Ackerbilt, but his instrument of choice was the clarinet. Hmmmmm, you got me thinking on that one.
3739. anomieme - 3/10/2001 3:26:11 AM
Strangers on the Shore! Bingo. Was gonna be my reply to your question.
A beautiful melody.
Thanks
3740. anomieme - 3/10/2001 3:27:39 AM
Clarinet? You don't say. Does to show how our memory fades.
3741. JudithAtHome - 3/11/2001 4:30:29 PM
The play we saw on Saturday, Streetcar Named Desire was excellent...it seemed like a fresh approach, and since the director hadn't seem the movie or another version of the play, he brought some newness to it that worked. It helped that the actors playing Blanche and Stanley were good enough to cause you to forget Leigh and Brando.
3742. JudithAtHome - 3/11/2001 4:31:20 PM
hadn't seeN
jeez....
3743. rubberducky - 3/11/2001 4:52:50 PM
wtf happened to Dave Mattews?
their new CD sucks ass. they have lost everything that made them what they are. frickin' corporate sellouts.
3744. anomieme - 3/12/2001 2:51:58 PM
JJ,
Hope you're enjoying Nawlins. I listened to a jazz trio there once at 8am before hitting the road as I was driving cross country, so I passed on the booze. But jazz for breakfast was nice.
Note to you in Health about playing guitar.
Have a safe trip.
3745. RosettaStone - 3/12/2001 8:26:52 PM
O mio babbino caroGianni Schicchi
3746. RustlerPike - 3/13/2001 12:23:46 PM
Ever wish you could look right through people?
3747. RosettaStone - 3/13/2001 2:27:47 PM
There's something very perverted at looking at a naked cartoon of a woman, Mr. Pike. Maybe you really need to learn how to use your own automatic weapon.
But, real reason for posting:
Elvis Costello, Britney Spears and No Doubt's Gwen Stefani are among those who voted for VH1's "Greatest Albums of Rock & Roll."
Here's the Top-10.
1. Revolver, the Beatles
2. Nevermind, Nirvana
3. Pet Sounds, the Beach Boys
4. What's Going On?, Marvin Gaye
5. Are You Experienced? Jimi Hendrix Experience
6. Rubber Soul, the Beatles
7. Songs in the Key of Life, Stevie Wonder
8. Abbey Road, the Beatles
9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan
10. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, the Beatles
edit note: Where is "Let it Bleed" or "Exile on Main Street" by the Rolling Stones?
3748. JudithAtHome - 3/13/2001 2:51:29 PM
edit note: Where is "Let it Bleed" or "Exile on Main Street" by the Rolling Stones?
Elvis Costello, Britney Spears and No Doubt's Gwen Stefani are among those who voted for VH1's "Greatest Albums of Rock & Roll."
Asked and answered.
3749. RosettaStone - 3/13/2001 3:39:26 PM
Wrong again, pancake mix.
Spears just recycled on her new album the Rolling Stones' "Satisfaction" (destroying it, of course) but at least getting lille girls to listen to it for the first time.
Elvis Costello has excellent taste in rock music and I trust his judgement.
And the No Doubt gal is one of the rock stars of this generation who did come up the hard way playing bars and beer halls for years before being discovered.
3750. JudithAtHome - 3/13/2001 4:01:11 PM
You attach way too much importance on the thinking of rock stars, Rose. Grow up.
3751. RustlerPike - 3/13/2001 4:07:26 PM
Make money Moting!!! 15% commission for whoever gets me a client!
3752. Uzmakk - 3/13/2001 4:30:29 PM
Hi, Moties:
This is a
throw away
edition of
Tales of
Brothers
Grimm
3753. JudithAtHome - 3/13/2001 4:34:01 PM
Uz:
What's up with your post...my mouse won't let me click on the link!
3754. Uzmakk - 3/13/2001 4:34:23 PM
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, but I needed that label for a work in progress. Carry on.
3755. Uzmakk - 3/13/2001 4:37:13 PM
Ha ha, Judith. It is not hypertext. I attempted to print it out so that I could stick it on a work in progress and scan it and show it to you, but I find that I can no longer print out Mote posts. Yes? A change in management?
3756. JudithAtHome - 3/13/2001 4:39:45 PM
I don't know, Uz...I rarely print out anything from here.
Not that there is nothing worthy; just that I try not to stack up too much ephemera.
3757. Uzmakk - 3/13/2001 7:41:45 PM
Me too. Almost never. But I can't do it now whereas it was doable before.
3758. Uzmakk - 3/13/2001 7:43:25 PM
Pike:
I guess I will have to have my computer revamped so I can read your web pages.
3759. PelleNilsson - 3/13/2001 8:19:08 PM
Rustler
That's damned clever.
3760. RustlerPike - 3/14/2001 8:09:22 AM
Pelle:
Thx. I'm trying to figure out how to make the spotlight move along with the user's mouse. There's a way but I don't know it yet.
3761. RustlerPike - 3/14/2001 8:10:22 AM
Pelle: oh, you were referring to the commando thing, not the naked lady?
3762. RustlerPike - 3/14/2001 8:13:12 AM
Rosetta Message # 3747:
There's something very perverted at looking at a naked cartoon of a woman, Mr. Pike.
Is it OK if I disagree?
3763. JudithAtHome - 3/14/2001 2:48:54 PM
Has anyone seen The Menmory of Water and if so, could you tell me something about it? We're going to see it a week from Saturday and our friends want to know if their teenagers might like it. (These are kids very interested in theatre and are rather sophisticated for their age.)
3764. SnowOwl - 3/15/2001 3:23:39 AM
Help please. Would someone explain to me what kick drums are.
3765. SnowOwl - 3/15/2001 3:41:25 AM
Never mind, figured it out myself.
3766. ScottLoar - 3/15/2001 3:44:05 AM
I've discovered a new toy.
3767. ScottLoar - 3/15/2001 3:46:56 AM
3768. seadate - 3/15/2001 7:41:24 PM
This may be common knowledge, but this is such a cool site. I love jazz and have found all sorts of good music from artists I've never heard of.
Sonicnet
3769. JudithAtHome - 3/15/2001 7:43:49 PM
Nicely done, ScottL.
3770. PelleNilsson - 3/15/2001 11:13:20 PM
I just heard Amazing Grace played by a lone bag piper. It always gives me the shivers.
3771. JJBiener - 3/15/2001 11:27:43 PM
Seadate - Thanks for the input, but if you check the butter bar you will find there is already a link to Sonicnet.
3772. ScottLoar - 3/16/2001 6:57:22 PM
Fill this space.
3774. wabbit - 3/17/2001 10:18:18 PM
From BBC: Singer and songwriter John Phillips, of The Mamas and The Papas, has died aged 65 in a Los Angeles hospital. His producer Harvey Goldberg said he had died of heart failure on Sunday morning.
3775. CalGal - 3/17/2001 10:25:26 PM
Wow. Once he'd survived as long as he had, I didn't think the wreckage would ever catch up to him.
3776. wabbit - 3/17/2001 10:35:57 PM
There doesn't seem to be much left of the Buddist statues in Afghanistan.
3777. joezan - 3/17/2001 10:39:29 PM
65?(!)
So, that means he was well along into his 30's when The M's & P's were hot, and Papa John was indulging so heavily, hanging out with Charlie and all that.
It always surprises me to hear stuff like this, because it kind of ruins this image you have that many of these folks were just kids when they were caught up in that idiotic hippy-dippy shit.
What an idiot.
3778. joezan - 3/17/2001 10:43:08 PM
Well, that's certainly different.
3779. wabbit - 3/17/2001 10:46:41 PM
A repost of Scott Loar's 3773:
From the Kiowa Target Record Book drawings
3780. Frankster - 3/17/2001 10:58:13 PM
There were some great harmonies produced from such pop groups as Spanky and our Gang, and The Association, along with so many others that don't come to mind at the moment, but The Mamas and the Papas were simply the best imo. What a sound, and despite his self destructive lifestyle, truly the work of a genius -- John Phillips.
3781. joezan - 3/18/2001 4:54:58 AM
Frank:
True...but at the age of 30-something (and GADS!... I just remembered that Michelle was only 16 or 17 when she joined The M's & P's, so he was a cradle robber, too) he should've known better than to get mixed up in the stuff he did, and no doubt influenced the others into.
BTW...I can remember my mom dancing around the livingroom to The Mamas and the Papas, holding a framed picture of my dad, when he was in Nam. She still listens to them all the time.
3782. Frankster - 3/18/2001 5:14:20 AM
Joe,
Don't get me wrong. I'm certainly not condoning what he did when he went after "toddler" Michelle while still married to his first wife ( This was the promiscuous 60s after all ), but it doesn't take away from that classic sound those like he produced which still sounds good today.
...He was a true craftsman that John Phillips.
3783. JJBiener - 3/18/2001 5:19:58 AM
Joezan - If John Phillips was 65, he was born circa 1936. That would make put him in his late 20's and early 30's during 1963-68 when the M & P was formed and popular. He had been a struggling musician before that period. There was about 10 years difference between him and Michelle.
3784. grannypatsy - 3/18/2001 5:20:36 AM
Scott Lohr and Wabbitt, beautiful space filling....On the other hand I want to cry over the statues: When I was in China I made tentative arrangements with the guide to see the silk road. Only deterent has been the ungodly number of air hourts.I am in total confusion as to who's making this wreckage Got out my magnifying glass to read the New Yorker article but still don't understand. I don't undersstand any of this stuff beginning with the llibrary at Alexandria. Sigh
3785. grannypatsy - 3/18/2001 5:22:16 AM
Music news was I was given two tickets to Tosca at LAOC in June for my birthdday.
3786. joezan - 3/18/2001 5:26:14 AM
JJ:
More like 14 or 15 years difference.
Michelle was not an original member - she joined in '66, I believe, when he was 31 or 32.
3787. joezan - 3/18/2001 5:38:46 AM
Excuse me - a quick search reveals that Michelle joined in '65, the same year the band was formed from remnants of the Mugwumps (Cass and Denny) and the Journeymen (John).
So, 12 or 13 years difference.
Still, I think the Age of Aquarius was also the age of Svengali, and a very good time for hucksters and cradle robbers.
3788. Cellar Door - 3/18/2001 5:45:34 AM
Michelle has done quite well for herself.
Can't say the same of Genevieve Waite, though her daughter, Bijou Phillips, has a just-now-blossoming acting career.
3789. JudithAtHome - 3/18/2001 2:40:43 PM
and no doubt influenced the others into.
Like his children...MacKenzie has stated she was smoking pot with her dad at an extremely young age, like 11 or 12.
3790. RosettaStone - 3/18/2001 3:13:11 PM
I heard Michelle Phillips tell a funny story on VH1.
Late night in 1964 in a motel room, when John Phillips was writing "Monday Monday" or "California Dreaming" (I can't remember which one), he asked her to write down his lyrics down while he was playing guitar.
He was singing them but she wrote the words down on paper and made small changes.
For that, airhead Michelle got 50% writing credits on his song. After their breakup, he tried to get them back to his sole ownership but it was TOOOOOOO LATEEEEE!
3791. RosettaStone - 3/18/2001 3:14:40 PM
Oops. One two many "down" in graf 2.
3792. Frankster - 3/18/2001 9:05:48 PM
Monday, Monday
Monday, Monday
So good to me
Monday morning
It was all I hoped it would be
Oh, Monday morning
Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still
Be here with me
Monday, Monday
Can't trust that day
Monday, Monday
Sometimes it just turns out that way
Oh, Monday morning you gave me no warning
Of what was to be
Oh, Monday, Monday
How could you leave and not take me
Every other day
Every other day
Every other day of the week is fine (fine), yeah
But whenever Monday comes
But whenever Monday comes
You can find me crying all of the time
Monday, Monday
So good to me
Monday morning
It was all I hoped it would be
But, Monday morning
Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still
Be here with me
Monday, Monday
Can't trust that day
Monday, Monday
It just turns out that way
Oh, Monday, Monday
Won't go away
Monday, Monday
It's here to stay
Oh, Monday, Monday
Thank you, John!
3793. joezan - 3/19/2001 4:44:23 AM
Our daughter's favorite program is "So Weird", kind of a cross between an up-dated Partridge Family, and The X Files. This rock-n-roll family travels around in a bus (a real tour bus, and without the groovy paint job), and run into all sorts of para-normal situations. Pretty good, for pre-teen fare.
Anyway, MacKenzie Phillips plays the lead (the mom). And actually, though still not a pretty woman, she is a lot better looking than you'd have expected, looking back on her One Day at a Time days.
3794. Fielding - 3/19/2001 4:48:18 AM
Maybe John Philips was an asshole. Who cares? So was Frank Sinatra. So was Richard Wagner. All that matters is the music.
3795. JJBiener - 3/19/2001 4:55:41 AM
Michelle was not exactly an innocent when she met John. She had been around the music scene for a couple of years before they got together. It is funny that we are talking about this. VH-1 had their Behind the Music episode about the M & P on earlier today.
3796. joezan - 3/19/2001 4:56:03 AM
Yeah...and?
I agree - no one's gonna remember John Phillips for corrupting little girls and supporting Charles Manson.
Just commenting how it blew me away that he was in his 30's while doing this kind of crap, and should've known better.
3797. joezan - 3/19/2001 4:57:03 AM
...above to Fielding.
3798. Frankster - 3/19/2001 5:01:49 AM
Assholesin show business ? Geez, that's a thread in itself. Cellar could probably come through big time with some beauties there.
Let's see ... off the top of my head:
Diana Ross : During her heyday with the Supremes, word is that she would not permit anyone to look her directly in the eye ... Jennifer Lopez apparently doesn't like it when someone looks her in the eyes also -- a recent thing with her.
Madonna : Need I say anything about this diva ? Did anyone hear what she did when U-2 top her offering for record of the year at the Grammys ? What a stuck up, arrogant bitch!
Johnny Carson: This guy would go into orbit anytime the papparazi would attempt to take his picture. Like many in his field, they want all that fame affords them, just not the trappings associated with it. Get a clue, dude. You're a fuckin' public figure.
Hmmmmm, who else is there ?
3799. JJBiener - 3/19/2001 5:09:12 AM
Joezan - no one's gonna remember John Phillips for corrupting little girls
As I said above, Michele was not a little girl in any sense of the word, and John certainly didn't corrupt her.
Just commenting how it blew me away that he was in his 30's while doing this kind of crap, and should've known better.
Do you really think John was the only guy in his late 20's/early 30's into the music/drug scene in the 60's? I think you have a very unrealistic view of that era.
3800. joezan - 3/19/2001 5:45:07 AM
No, of course not. I was commenting that I was surprised that he, John Phillips, was one of those assholes. And as far as corrupting little girls, I was referring as much to his giving his own daughters drugs, at least one of whom developed a very nasty habit of her own.
3801. anomieme - 3/19/2001 5:57:40 AM
JJ,annot open 'http://www.angelfire.com/myband/justwater/music/ColdWomanBlues.mp3'. Please verify that the path and filename are correct and try again.
I get to the web site and then get the message above when I click on the song.
Not sure what anyone else gets.
FYI
3802. JJBiener - 3/19/2001 6:13:32 AM
anom - I don't know what the problem is. I am listening to it right now.
3803. JudithAtHome - 3/19/2001 6:25:27 AM
As I said above, Michele was not a little girl in any sense of the word, and John certainly didn't corrupt her.
JJ, I agree with Joezan: the guy may not have corrupted Michele but how can you give him a pass on smoking dope with his own daughter who was barely out of childhood? If that were to be brought to light on a regular Joe Blow, he'd be thrown in jail so quickly, it would make your head spin and yet, because John was an artiste , he gets nothing but praise for being some sort of paragon of talent? No way...the guy was warped.
3804. JJBiener - 3/19/2001 7:20:31 AM
Judith - I don't condone John Phillips smoking dope with his daughter. However, I do understand what the times were like and how little was known about the effects of pot. A large portion of the population thought pot was harmless and there was little hard evidence to prove otherwise. Should he have done it? No, of course not. But he certainly wasn't alone. When I was in highschool 10 years later there were still parents snoking pot with their kids.
We have to be careful about judging someone's actions 35 years ago based on what we believe today. His actions have to be considered in the context in which they occurred. At the time, what he did wasn't warped or even that far out of the mainstream.
3805. JudithAtHome - 3/19/2001 7:52:08 AM
JJ:
I was a mother at that time and believe me, it was warped for parents to smoke dope with their 11 year old children. I may not have been mainstream but I think I know something about the period.
We have to be careful about judging someone's actions 35 years ago based on what we believe today.
I agree...keep that in mind in a couple of decades or so when the history of this time period is written. I'll leave it to you because I probably won't be cognizant if indeed I'm still here by then.
3806. ScottLoar - 3/19/2001 2:47:17 PM
A respite from bickering:
3807. anomieme - 3/19/2001 2:53:52 PM
JJ, Must be my end. I'll try it from a different computer later on. Thanks.
3808. RosettaStone - 3/20/2001 12:37:30 AM
Funny how times have changed. My kids are so down on grass, it's ridiculous. They recently found a picture of me at a party in college with long hair playing the guitar--and they had a hoot calling me a hippie.
According to a recent issue of Q magazine, Phillips was about to release an unfinished acoustic blues album of the Rolling Stones performing in his L.A. mansion in the late 1960s. When he was moving from one house to another they found the master tapes in his garage, they wrote.
In the story it said that Jagger had hit up on Phillips' daughter during the sessions, which pissed off the Papa.
3809. arkymalarky - 3/20/2001 5:20:22 AM
That is absolutely gorgeous, Scott.
3810. joezan - 3/20/2001 1:23:58 PM
Rosetta:
I swear, I saw MacKenzie (on Letterman?) relating the following story about how Mick did get into her pants.
They were at a big party at John's apartment in LA, snorting coke, when Mick started hitting on her. In order to get her alone, Mick told her he just had to have a tuna sandwich, and suggested they go up to his aprtment and make some. But John, probably sensing something was up, followed them.
When they got there, Mick tricked Papa John into leaving the apartment to get some mayo for the sandwiches, and then seduced the teenaged MacKenzie as soon as John left, telling her he'd wanted to do her ever since she's reached puberty. When John returned a few minutes later with the mayo, they were already going at it, and ignored his pounding.
"Just don't hurt her, ok?", pleaded John from the other side of the door.
Can you imagine a kid being produced from that coupling?
...it'd be all lips and knees.
3811. JudithAtHome - 3/20/2001 2:10:21 PM
"Just don't hurt her, ok?", pleaded John from the other side of the door
Caring words from a concerned father, huh? Rather than breaking down the door and beating that pedophile to a bloody pulp, John merely continues to make tuna on rye and wait for them to finish.
What a paragon of fatherhood...the guy is a total sleaze. And so is Jagger.
Please don't argue that these two are different because they are artists, because they are rich, because of the times, because of anything beyond the bounds of total sleazehood.
3812. joezan - 3/20/2001 2:50:40 PM
Judith:
Exactly.
And the fact that many of John's contemporaries and good friends (Paul McCartney comes immediately to mind) who chose to indulge themselves in this wasteful "lifestyle", nevertheless mangaged to raise some pretty well-adjusted kids, demolishes the argument that they were "products of the times".
The key words there are "indulged themselves".
Anyone with any sense, even then, realized that giving their kids pot, or any other drug, was a stupid, selfish thing to do. My guess (and from experience with friends who also thought it was a-ok) is that they liked the nice, mellow mood drugs produced.
...in their kids.
3813. JudithAtHome - 3/20/2001 4:06:27 PM
joezan:
No kidding...pre-Ritalin, so to speak.
3814. JJBiener - 3/20/2001 5:55:55 PM
Pre-Ritalin indeed.
3815. ScottLoar - 3/21/2001 11:34:21 PM
3816. CalGal - 3/21/2001 11:52:34 PM
Beautiful pictures, Scott.
While Phillips was certainly a lousy parent, it is far more likely that his daughter's addiction problems were genetic than due to any lousy parenting on his part.
How old was Mackenzie when Jagger hit on her?
3817. joezan - 3/22/2001 12:16:27 AM
I don't remember her saying, Cal - only that it was clear she was still a teen.
And, genetic-schmenetic. While genetics may substantially increase the risk of passing the dependency along, sharing your addiction outright with the little ones will guarantee its being passed along. Every time.
3818. CalGal - 3/22/2001 12:23:52 AM
sharing your addiction outright with the little ones will guarantee its being passed along
No, it won't. Clearly, drug usage alone doesn't turn you into an addict. Neither does early usage, and neither does a wild party life. Lots of kids do all of this and escape unscathed. Likewise, lots of kids who never touch the stuff until 18 become addicts--or even later.
So nothing guarantees addiction except some switch being flipped. I am reasonably convinced it's genetic, but in any event it is not environment.
If she was a late teen, doing drugs and willingly having sex with Jagger, then I hardly think breaking the door down and "rescuing" her would be appropriate behavior.
3819. joezan - 3/22/2001 12:32:33 AM
Right, Cal.
One's parents have so little influence these days, that doing drugs with them at 12, 13 y.o. would have hardly any effect at all, as far as their attitudes toward drug usage.
I mean, hell - we should all do it. At least we could be sure they weren't selling their bodies to get it, or buying bad shit.
3820. CalGal - 3/22/2001 12:47:17 AM
One's parents have so little influence these days, that doing drugs with them at 12, 13 y.o. would have hardly any effect at all, as far as their attitudes toward drug usage.
Kids like this would have all sorts of problems: school, behavior, control, discipline, and the like. But it has nothing to do with whether or not they are addicts.
As I said, he was a lousy parent. But her addiction is probably inherited--from him. After all, it's easy enough to portray him as a self-indulgent louse--which he was. But he was also an addict who demonstrates very nicely that you don't need parents who use with you in order to become physiologically dependent on drugs.
3821. JJBiener - 3/22/2001 1:04:12 AM
I think this discussion has passed the point of being relevant to this thread. If you want to discuss John Phillips' parenting skills, take it to Parenting. If you want to talk about drug usage in children, take it to health. If you want to talk about his music, you can stay here. Thank you for your cooperation.
3822. wabbit - 3/22/2001 12:36:05 PM
3823. Frankster - 3/22/2001 5:26:01 PM
Thank you, Wabbit. I meant to post some link on him last night when I heard about his death. A true American institution!
...Who in here has not been captivated by some or all of his work ... What redblooded American hasn't played on the grounds of Jellystone Park while whiffing along to the aroma of a "picanik basket", traveled the stars with Space Ghost, pad their imagination with the Jetsons, or want to play with their own Dino in their own Bedrock ? He's definitely up there with the Schlesingers and Fleichers of the animated world imo.
The cartoons today, just like so many other things are done so cheaply.
Yikes! How could I leave out Tom and Jerry ?
3824. ScottLoar - 3/22/2001 8:30:49 PM
With, perhaps, the exception of Tom and Jerry Hanna and Barbera dumbed down the American cartoon, coarsening the backgrounds, stilting the animation, with the same crude and tedious stock of characters mouthing dialogue that wasn't even funny to any age. Opposite The Jetsons, Yogi Bear and The Flintstones (same mirthless slides of stock characters with different names, different locations) televised at the same time were Rocky and Bullwinkle, and Wily Coyote sans narration, and occasionally Bugs Bunny, as opposite as doodles to art. Hanna and Barbera's work qualify as animation but barely as cartoons because they fail to meet the purpose of the American television cartoon - humour.
I do recall that the television in neighborhood bars in and around Chicago were always turned to The Flintstones at 6:00; this obscenity in the very birthplace of Bozo. Well, popularity does not good taste make.
I further recall Frazier Thomas' Garfield Goose Show, a local special, only learning years later that the wonderful, carefully crafted, colour animations of fabulous myths and legends were made in the USSR. Those series made the show. The stuff was fabulous to any age, as jewels compared to the turds offered by Hanna and Barbera.
3825. Uzmakk - 3/22/2001 8:40:40 PM
Ha! There was a cartoon that used to show in the Philadelphia area perhaps early in the morning. I seem to recall that it took place in the middle east?, Morocco? Two boys were the protagonists? They had odd voices. Animation was of a style all its own. "Sinister" describes the atmosphere of the whole series.
Also, does anyone recall Walt Disney's "The Snow Queen"?
3826. Frankster - 3/22/2001 8:49:09 PM
Scott,
What would you call what the Fleischer studio put out in the 30s and 40s ? Not all of it was to provide humor if I'm not mistaken.
You might be correct in likening the Hanna-Barbera offerings as the fastfood of their ilk, but they did provide humor. At least, I think they did. Rocky and Bullwinkle were totally different animals (no pun intended ), as I would put that cartoon in a totally different category. That was satire, which was made to also be consumed by any adult that might have been watching it at the time.
Favorite Flintstone childhood memory: When Fred and Barney decide to build and share a pool in between their back yards. The party afterwards was extremely funny as the music bounces an irritated neighbor attempting to get some sleep off his stone slab.
Oh mah darlin'
oh mah darlin'
oh mah darlin', Clementine ...
Huckleberry Hound
3827. CalGal - 3/22/2001 9:17:03 PM
Hanna and Barbera were the Rogers & Hammerstein of the cartoon world. They were often derivative and not very funny, but very tuned into the public zeitgeist, for lack of a better word. Others were far more talented, but I doubt you will find any other cartoonists who contributed as much to pop culture.
"Yabadabadoo"
"Hey Booboo!"
"Muttlleeeeeyy!" "heeheehee"
"Rutro"
"Oh my darlin', oh my darlin, oh my darlin Clementinoooooo"
And that's just one per cartoon. Speaking only of their TV work, obviously. Tom & Jerry were in a class by themselves, back when they did movies at MGM.
Their theme songs alone guarantee them pop culture standing. I bet most people here can recite all the words to Scooby Dooby Do, The Jetsons and The Flintstones, and many can probably remember the theme to even a lesser cartoon like Josie and the Pusseycats (whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh) but my personal favorite was "Top Cat! The most effectual Top Cat"...ahem. Moving on.
They cast their voices very well and I think that is the primary reason for their appeal. Fred, Wilma, Barney, Betty, Huckleberry, Yogi, Boo Boo, Shaggy, George, Martha, Elroy, Dick Dastardley--and that's just for starters. Their non-verbal characters were some of their most memorable communicators: Pebbles' coo, Dino's yelp, Muttley's snicker.
They also were the first to really understand the importance of adults to the success of television prime time cartoons. The Flintstones might have been corny, but never forget the direct line drawn from Fred to Homer, Wilma to Marge.
Popular, timeless entertainment should never be completely dismissed. If it were easy to capture the public's fancy and keep it year after year for millions of dollars, I'm sure everyone would do it.
3828. ScottLoar - 3/22/2001 9:46:03 PM
Hanna and Barbera's work is crap.
There. I've said it.
3829. CalGal - 3/22/2001 10:46:10 PM
Yes, you have.
But I must dispute you in one sense: anyone could create crap. Creating popular mass entertainment requires talent of some sort. I agree that it isn't cutting edge or even necessarily artistic. But I don't think it can be dismissed.
3830. elzbieta - 3/23/2001 3:55:15 AM
Hanna and Barbera may not be cartoon art in the true sense. I don't know enough about the form to argue that one way or 'tother. But I know this: they created some of the only cartoons I distinctly remember watching as a child, and the only ones that would make my boyfriend and I sing this morning when portions were broadcast during NPR's obituary on Hanna.
Perhaps a childhood fondness isn't reason enough to sanctify something. Perhaps even the fact that almost every American under 40 remembers watching and liking Tom & Jerry, The Flintstones, and Scooby Doo, doesn't do that. But, as CalGal said, it's not something that can be dismissed.
3831. JJBiener - 3/23/2001 4:52:02 AM
elzbieta - Hanna and Barbera may not be cartoon art in the true sense.
If nothing else, you have to admire the sheer volume of work they produced on a regular basis.
Perhaps a childhood fondness isn't reason enough to sanctify something.
It is as good as any. Hanna and Barbera did a lot more that just the Flintstones and the Jetsons. They did some of my childhood favorites like Johnny Quest, Space Ghost and Fantastic Four.
Here is a link to a list of their shows.
3832. anomieme - 3/23/2001 5:15:53 AM
JJ,
Just a note about your web site. I need an MP3 player, I guess. I couldn't get to your songs from work or my other computer at home. They all have "Media Player".
I'll download one (MP3) tomorrow. Got a recommendation on a download? Thanks.
3833. JJBiener - 3/23/2001 6:11:57 AM
Anomieme - I use RealPlayer and RealJukebox. Go to the RealAudio link on the butter bar to download the free version. There are dozens if not hundreds of mp3 players out there. The Real products work well enough for my purposes.
3834. Frankster - 3/23/2001 7:42:26 AM
Duuuuuh, how could I omit Jonny Quest ? I would pay top dollar to see an orchestra play its theme music live. I grew up on those same three cartons you mentioned, JJ.
3835. ScottLoar - 3/23/2001 2:07:39 PM
Another theme song guaranteeing pop culture status: the jingle from the Mr. Clean commercial. And, no, it can't be dismissed.
I fear that on the very edge of my last conscious moment of this life he'll appear - Mr. Clean, Mr. Clean, Mr. Clean.
3836. ScottLoar - 3/23/2001 2:09:29 PM
As to those under forty I pity you that Hanna-Barbera's work is your constant cartoon memory. It could have been much better.
3837. arkymalarky - 3/23/2001 3:04:34 PM
I'd rather see Mr. Clean than Mr. Whipple. I couldn't believe they brought that coot out of mothballs a few years ago and redid those commercials. But I must admit that when I saw one I did feel more a twinge of nostalgia than the old urge to throw something at the tv.
I remember Hanna-Barbera and I'm over 40. I liked Yogi Bear and all, but Looney-Toons was much better, and of course Bullwinkle, who's already been mentioned.
3838. Jenerator - 3/23/2001 3:10:09 PM
I love the cartoons of my youth. Tom & Jerry, Pink Panther, Tazmanian Devil, Pepy La Peu, etc. If anything, I feel that the people who lived prior to 1940 were cheated.
I quit watching cartoon when I was around 12, and it was coincidentally at that time, a lot of the Japanese cheap anime came out.
The cartoons these days are less appealing. The movie "Hercules" looked like a recruiting camapign for ADD.
3839. Cellar Door - 3/23/2001 4:03:38 PM
Saw Jackie De Shannon last night at McCabe's. Flat-out amazing. This woamn hasn't performed live on stage for at least 25 years (possibly more) and she was a fresh as a daisy. She worked with a six-pice group of young guys. Songs from her new album, plus hits of her own and others in brand new arrnagements. Most important her entire demanor was completely relaxed and ingratiating. Highlights: "Don't Think Twice" and "Can't Find My Way Home."
3840. anomieme - 3/23/2001 4:10:44 PM
JJ, Thanks again. (I really should look at these butterbars occasionally)
Celler: Jackie De Shannon, is she from the 60's? Name reings a bell but I don't recognize those songs.
3841. Cellar Door - 3/23/2001 4:59:41 PM
She's from the 60's and her biggest hit was "What the World Needs Now is Love."
3842. Cellar Door - 3/23/2001 5:00:33 PM
"Don't Think Twice" is a Bob Dylan son, and "Can't Find My Way Home" was by Blind Faith.
3843. arkymalarky - 3/23/2001 5:23:57 PM
Both great songs, too. Hard to imagine the same voice singing "What the World Needs Now" singing those particular two songs, but I like her voice.
3844. Cellar Door - 3/23/2001 5:33:56 PM
Her voice is slightly deeper, but she's the same body weight and her features -- while lined -- are the same. She hasn't been plasticized or anything. She's in her early 50's. What's great about her as a performer (and I've never seen her live before) is her ingratialing spirit. She loves to sing, and loves her audience.
3845. anomieme - 3/24/2001 1:05:01 AM
Celler, Thank you. I should have known that. I need a Bacerach fix now and then. How could I have forgotten.
3846. anomieme - 3/24/2001 1:09:34 AM
JJ, Very, very bluesy. I'm impressed. I avoid going to Scott AFB as much as possible, but If I have to go, I'll hope you're playing somewhere. And now I have MP3 capability, the sky's the limit.
I have some wav files of me practicing years ago. I wonder if I could convert them to MP3. I think you'd get a kick. "Feeeeelingsss"
Thanks, JJ
3847. Cellar Door - 3/24/2001 1:21:10 AM
Listening right now to the original cast CD of "Taking A Chance On Love," the revue of the life and career of John LaTouche. Great stuff, especially a really obscure cabaret number called "The Surrealist" and "Four Little Misfits" from "The Vamp" -- a famous flop that starred Carol Channing. Nice versions of his more famous numbers from "Cabin in the Sky," "The Golden Apple," and "Candide." Plus a number from an unfinished musical whose lyric goes "Where's the guy that I was saving for a rainy day?"
Indeed!
3848. Cellar Door - 3/24/2001 1:37:19 AM
Neato! Lots of stuff about Touche's life. Even a picture of him with Kenward Elmslie. And "Lazy Afternoon" is sung as a duet for two guys!
3849. ScottLoar - 3/24/2001 5:59:22 PM
Celadon Jar with Semi-carved Lotus Scroll Design
- Korean, Koryo dynasty, 12th century
3850. CalGal - 3/24/2001 10:30:59 PM
Scott, those pictures really brighten up the place.
Whether you like Hanna Barbera or not, this piece is a hoot.
I'd have to go with this as my favorite:
QUICKDRAW McGRAW:It's true, the cartoons we did were cheaper. Over at Warner Bros., they worked those characters until they were exhausted -- day and night. Sure, you could go work for Chuck Jones, and a lucky few got on the Disney gravy train, but sooner or later you would be strung out. Bugs, Daffy, Wile E. -- I'd bump into them at the Brown Derby or somewhere around town and they looked awful, just completely wasted, taking one pill to get out of bed and another pill so they could get an anvil in the head. Sad, is what it was.
This is what I liked about Bill: He knew the value of the nine-hour workday. His thinking was "Why do something in 500 drawings when you can do it in 150?" That's why we all lasted so long. We weren't drawn to death.
3851. JJBiener - 3/24/2001 10:53:02 PM
Thanks, Cal. That piece is perfect.
3852. ScottLoar - 3/25/2001 12:03:53 AM
Which is exactly why the subtle, detailed, story book animation that was the very hallmark of Disney's work gave way to the stilted characters against a dead background every Saturday on tv that was the essence of Hanna-Barbera. The detailing was farmed out to Asian subcontractors, until the computerized animation of Beauty and The Beast revived the medium as a cinematic feature.
3853. ScottLoar - 3/25/2001 12:10:37 AM
And the point still remains - content! Hanna-Barbera's stuff is dumb, just comic slapstick. Yabadaba-doo! At least Curly, Moe and Larry followed some story line without the prompting of canned laughter, but I couln't then and can't now stand their shtick.
3854. ScottLoar - 3/25/2001 12:11:08 AM
Yes, canned laughter was created for television. Yes.
3855. ScottLoar - 3/26/2001 2:39:26 AM
Illuminated page from a Koran
3856. CalGal - 3/26/2001 7:45:00 PM
About 11 years ago, I went to an art show with my mother on a whim. I can't stress enough how rare it is that I acquiesced in this decision--I am sure that I'll be busted as a member of the great unwashed at art shows, so I don't risk it.
But the show was lovely, and the artist had some of his older works on sale, too. One of them was gorgeous and very nearly affordable, at $800. At the time, this was a lot of money for me. But a very nearly affordable piece of original art that was also something I loved was a whim I figured I could give in to, especially since the artist told me that he'd be happy to let me buy it on four installment payments of $200 each.
Last November, I finally got another chance to attend his annual art show--with our old Mote friend TrialShark, as it happens.
I didn't see any of his original work that was both affordable and something I really wanted, but he was selling prints as well so I bought one of my favorites. He had to frame it and then we both got busy doing other things, so it wasn't until today that he came by with the print.
3857. CalGal - 3/26/2001 7:45:59 PM
I showed him the first piece I'd bought all those years ago, and he was fascinated--he'd forgotten he'd painted it! It is now worth over three times what I paid for it, based on other work from that period.
"But you are hanging it way too high!" he said, and asked me for a hammer. He rehung it some 9" lower on the spot, all the while lecturing me cheerfully on the right technique for hanging and lighting paintings.
It did look much better lower, and I am most pleased. He was about to leave and noticed a whole slew of prints and other framed work leaning against the wall in a corner.
"What's all that?" he said.
"Oh, that's all my other stuff. I had my apartment painted 8 months ago and just haven't gotten around to hanging things up. Hanging pictures is a hell of a lot of work for me, it sometimes takes me a year to get around to it."
He looked at his painting, on the wall, and looked back to me in inquiry.
"Well, yours is important. It always gets hung up as quickly as I can manage it, no matter what. Even if it's too high. I like looking at it."
He was much complimented--but then admonished me not to leave his print unhung for a year, that he'd be back to check.
So everyone remind me to get this print hung before, say, August.
3858. JudithAtHome - 3/29/2001 10:58:56 PM
Tomorrow we're going to Spring Gallery Night; this time last year, the night after we attended, the tornado hit and wiped out a few of the galleries, went right down the street where we'd been 24 hours before. I hope it's less exciting this year.
Our friend is unveiling his latest bronze at the gallery which sells his work; it's called Grand Old Pachyderm and he said it is a dancing elephant. He knows his audience, that's for sure...lots of rich conservatives in this town.
3859. RosettaStone - 3/29/2001 11:06:41 PM
Nirvana!
I just purchased Harry Smith's Anthology of American Folk Music, Volume Four (Revenant) for $15.98. (2 Cds, 28 songs and a 96 page hardbound book.) Sound quality is excellent.
From its promotional packaging:
"Harry Smith was a true polymath--avant-garde filmmaker, alchemist, folklorist, painter, magician, archivist and expert on string figures, paper airplanes and Ukrainian painted eggs--but is perhaps best known for his pioneering three-volume Anthology of American Folk Music, orinially released in 1952 and reissued to great acclaim in 1997 by Smithsonian/Folkways.
Compiled by Harry Smith contemporaneously with the first three volumns, Volume 4 of Harry historic Anthology went unissued for almost 50 years.
"Today it is impossible to overstate the historic worth, sociocultural impact and undiminished vitality of Harry's Smith's Anthology and Smith's idiosyncratic scholarship and instinctive wisdom"--Rolling Stone
3860. iiibbb - 3/30/2001 12:42:46 AM
What happens when a country band from Austin does a cover of Snoop Dogg's "Gin & Juice"? Snoop likes it and sings along.
thanks to memepool's mrbill
3861. Cellar Door - 3/30/2001 3:35:05 AM
I knew Harry Smith, Rosie.
NOT a pretty story.
3862. RosettaStone - 3/30/2001 12:02:27 PM
SOMEDAY EVERYONE WILL HAVE HIS OWN HOME PAGE
3863. JudithAtHome - 3/30/2001 3:10:17 PM
I can't believe you'd use your real name on that page, Rosetta. Lookin'....weird.
3864. RosettaStone - 3/30/2001 3:20:20 PM
Hot link the butterfly, buttercup.
By the way, in France they kiss on main street.
3865. JudithAtHome - 3/30/2001 3:44:02 PM
You have zero sense of humor, ragweed.
3866. Cellar Door - 3/30/2001 4:30:24 PM
The amazing thing about Harry was the fact that despite his rather alarming appearance and manner (never saw him less than half drunk) he was able to bad any preppy college youth that caught his fancy. Back in the mid-60's when I was working for the Filmmaker's Cinematheque, showings of Harry animated films would find many of these wayward sons of the rich and well-connected, stumbling about after him in a daze, with many of them often confiding in me: "Never interested in other guys before, you know. But Harry's got me hooked on blow-jobs."
3867. RosettaStone - 3/30/2001 8:50:12 PM
Somehow I knew it was going there, CD.
By "knew," you really mean "knew," right.
Do all homosexulas end up looking like HS?
Great bio of pothead Harry Smith by Ed Sanders, formerly of the Fugs, in the package. In reading it, a whole new world has opened up to me.
3868. JudithAtHome - 3/30/2001 8:54:49 PM
Well, don't bogart that joint, Rosie.
3869. PsychProf - 3/30/2001 8:58:29 PM
3870. Cellar Door - 3/30/2001 9:00:10 PM
No Rosie, I did NOT do the deed with Harry Smith. (EEEWWWWW!!!)
And all the best homosexuals end up looking like THIS.
3871. RosettaStone - 3/30/2001 9:59:22 PM
Excellent picture, CD. BTW, your web-page design looks better and better. You should demand that the missing-in-action moderatorJJ link it to the butterscotch bar of this thread.
Not that it matters, but does your gentleman friend still have his own teeth?
3872. arkymalarky - 3/30/2001 10:02:31 PM
What kind of a question is that?
3873. Cellar Door - 3/30/2001 10:12:14 PM
A dental question.
3874. arkymalarky - 3/30/2001 10:12:49 PM
Oh.
3875. Cellar Door - 3/30/2001 10:13:29 PM
Rosie's looking for a gumb-job!
3876. JJBiener - 4/1/2001 1:28:18 AM
The host of this thread is not missing in action. I was just away on business for a few days.
As entertaining as this discussion has been, I would like to see it get back to the topic.
Thank you for your cooperation.
3877. marjoribanks - 4/1/2001 1:48:50 AM
Spectacular Kandinsky.
His paintings are fast moving to the very top of my "I wish I could steal this" list.
3878. RosettaStone - 4/2/2001 1:28:05 PM
Olu Dara
Take it from me, this guy is very good. And his guitar/singing sound is unique.
(from the most recent Rolling Stone magazine)
IT MIGHT'VE TAKEN Olu Dara a while to get his brand of uptown cool down on record--he released his first album only three years ago, when he was well into his fifties--but he's been perfecting it for decades.
Dara's played trumpet and cornet with jazz greats like Art Blakey and Cassandra Wilson. He's guested on the track "Life's a Bitch," by his rapper son, Nas ("I've alays done freestyling onstage," Dara says, "so I've never felt separated from hip-hop"). And he's a man Renaissance enough to collaborate with play-wright August Wilson and avant-jazz composer Henry Threadgill and still make a porkpie hat look good.
Still, record company execs (and Nas) had to beg the Mississippi-born, Harlem-based musician to record. "I was perfectly happy doing live theater, live dance, writing plays of my own," he says. "The record business, I've been in it three years and I've made less money than I ever had. You have to pay everybody! Before this, I could write a play and then take three months off." Still, things could be worse. "Worse I think of how old I am," Dara says, "and I think about the attention I'm getting, I feel like I'm just starting out."
3879. PsychProf - 4/2/2001 9:56:46 PM
3880. Cellar Door - 4/3/2001 6:25:33 AM
Check out this wonderful website!
3881. JJBiener - 4/3/2001 7:16:44 AM
Cellar - Thank you. That site is excellent. I am putting it the butter bar. If you object I will take it off, but I doubt you would object.
3882. JJBiener - 4/3/2001 7:20:05 AM
If anyone else has art or music sites they would like on the butter bar, please let me know.
Thank you.
3884. ScottLoar - 4/3/2001 2:00:12 PM
#3883 should be deleted.
3885. RickNelson - 4/3/2001 7:26:49 PM
I agree with Scott.
3886. JJBiener - 4/3/2001 8:15:22 PM
Post #3883 was moved to the Inferno.
3887. RosettaStone - 4/3/2001 8:28:26 PM
I keep a close watch on this mote of mine. I keep my eyes wide open all the time. I keep the ends out for the tie that binds. Because you're mine. I walk the line.
3888. JJBiener - 4/3/2001 8:30:32 PM
Rose - If you walk the line, you can stay. Cross it and I toast your posts.
3889. Cellar Door - 4/5/2001 2:46:29 AM
Hip-Hop Homosexual.
The Story Marshall Mathers Doesn't Want You to Read.
3890. Cellar Door - 4/5/2001 6:19:32 AM
3891. EricCartman - 4/5/2001 7:43:57 AM
....victory lap....
3892. jonesatlaw - 4/5/2001 7:46:06 AM
Edward Hopper- Room in New York.
I love the light in this. I can just hear her distractedly picking out some small melody while she's thinking.
3893. mgleason - 4/5/2001 7:48:37 AM
That's one of my favorite paintings; I used to have a framed poster of it in my dorm room.
3894. jonesatlaw - 4/5/2001 7:59:50 AM
I had the origninal three blocks from my dorm room!
3895. Cellar Door - 4/5/2001 4:50:59 PM
3896. Indiana Jones - 4/5/2001 5:00:42 PM
94? I had no idea he was that old.
3897. Cellar Door - 4/5/2001 5:01:49 PM
Isn't that something?
3898. Indiana Jones - 4/5/2001 5:05:15 PM
Well, it makes me feel older because it means it was so long ago when I used to see him on Letterman.
BTW, your CZJ pic puts me in Ace's "Envy Cellar" Club. At least for the time being.
3899. Cellar Door - 4/5/2001 7:13:11 PM
(gloat! gloat! gloat!)
3900. Cellar Door - 4/5/2001 7:14:49 PM
She's really very charming in person. Like all true pros she doesn't need special handling to work a room. I think she's got a long career ahead of her.
3901. Dusty - 4/10/2001 4:38:52 PM
I need to report on a great band I heard recently. I caught them in a small bar in an out-of-the-way place, the kind of place you expect to hear bad music over-shadowed by cranking up the volume. You know, you hear the opening chords of a favorite tune, and prepare for a fond memory; then the voice cuts in and you wonder if it really is the same song you had loved. But not this time.
I was blown away.
The vocals, usually the downfall of a band playing the music of others, were great. I heard a Joe Cocker tune, and while no one can copy that distinctive voice, it was an excellent rendition.
The band played a mixture of classic rock and blues, starting with classic rock and transitioning to more blues. I didn't recognize the blues songs (my deficient musical upbringing) but they sounded great, particularly one with a strong keyboard.
I had trouble keeping my beer refilled, but that was because the bar owner was spending more time dancing to the band than watching her customers.
It must have been to much for one of the patrons, as I realized when the ambulance, fire truck and police car pulled up, but after a brief respite to cut back the audience by one, the band played on.
Oh, I should mention the band's name.
Just Water.
With keyboards by none other than our own JJ.
Don't miss them.
3902. JJBiener - 4/10/2001 7:44:37 PM
Dusty - Thank you. I appreciate the feedback. I agree with you that Rich has an excellent voice. The band wouldn't be the same without him.
3903. iiibbb - 4/15/2001 3:40:25 AM
Joey Ramone is dead.
3904. joezan - 4/15/2001 3:42:38 AM
3905. joezan - 4/15/2001 3:43:17 AM
X-Post.
3906. vonKreedon - 4/15/2001 6:31:23 PM
Man, I just heard that Joey died. Shit, I hate it when rock stars die and prevent reunions. At least he was still older than I am. It's really going to get to me when rock stars die who are younger than me.
3907. AceofSpades - 4/16/2001 12:03:10 AM
So sad about Joey Ramone.
Tribue album with covers of "I wanna be sedated" by Celine Dion and "Blitzkrieg Bop" by 'N Sync within three months, unfortunately.
3909. JJBiener - 4/21/2001 11:37:50 PM
#3908 was deleted for inappropriate content.
3911. JJBiener - 4/22/2001 12:28:03 AM
#3910 was also deleted for inappropriate content.
3912. CalGal - 4/22/2001 12:30:03 AM
JJ, did you see that I landed a contract that will have me in KC fairly often? Hopefully I can arrange a sidetrip to St. Louis one weekend.
Has anyone read the reviews for The Producers? It's great when the reality matches the buzz.
3913. Cellar Door - 4/22/2001 2:59:42 AM
My friend Steven Bradford saw it last night. He said it lived up to all the reviews and the audience was practically levitating.
3918. JJBiener - 4/22/2001 4:36:43 AM
#3914-3917 were moved to the Inferno.
3919. JJBiener - 4/22/2001 4:37:55 AM
CalGal - I saw you post about the contract. Congratulations. If you want to come to St Louis, we can try to schedule it for a weekend when the band is playing out.
3920. JJBiener - 4/22/2001 4:39:46 AM
Cal - I have heard raves about The Producers. I would love to see it. It will probably be years before a road company makes it out to the Gateway City though.
3921. RosettaStone - 4/22/2001 4:42:10 AM
But, the question is, why were those moved to Inferno, but the first ones deleted? Any consistency that we should know about?
Instead of just moving anything that bothers you, Jj, why don't you bring this thread back to life --or give it to someone who will.
You seem to know something about blues. Share it.
Look at the differences between TT's Music folder and this one.
3922. RosettaStone - 4/22/2001 4:43:57 AM
Oh, I see. A pickup line is "appropriate material" for this thread--but constructive criticism isn't.
3923. JJBiener - 4/22/2001 4:44:30 AM
Rosie - Please see my post to you in the Inferno.
3924. rubberducky - 4/22/2001 5:03:15 PM
more horseshit from the 'big five'
LONDON--Free online music took its toll on global music sales last year, according to an industry group that has been policing the exchange of copyrighted songs online.
World music sales sagged 1.3 percent in value terms to $36.9 billion in 2000, as fans in the world's biggest market, the United States, flocked to Napster and other sites, snubbing old-style formats such as singles and cassettes, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) said. The fall comes despite overall improved album sales and a more upbeat performance from Europe, according to the group.
"Last year was a mixed picture for the global recording industry," IFPI Chairman Jay Berman said in a statement. "We saw the first evidence of the impact of free online music, as well as the damage being done by unauthorized CD copying."
The IFPI has been tracking individuals suspected of trading music files illegally. It has said it is taking action against people who make large amounts of digital music files available online. The European group also has been working with the Recording Industry Association of America to send legal notices to overseas Internet service providers believed to be hosting file-trading servers.
yes, yes
it is all Napster's fault.
it COULDN'T be that most current and popular music is pre-fab crap that no one wants to buy.
Dave Matthews
Destiny’s Child
hell, even J Lopez
all have shitty fucking songs out on the radio right now and i have no doubt the rest of the CD is just as bad (case in point: the new Matthews CD)
there's just so much O-ChristinaN'SpearsDegreeBoys that people will put up with.
3925. marjoribanks - 4/22/2001 5:14:31 PM
I'll tell ya, though, it's nice to see a real frothy pop talent like Nelly Furtado rise through to the surface once in a while.
The girl can really sing, has a great sweet sensibility and songwriting talent, and she will be around for a long time.
3926. rubberducky - 4/22/2001 5:26:43 PM
eh, she can sing but i hate the drippiness of that 'bird' song
3927. marjoribanks - 4/22/2001 5:31:00 PM
The radio mix is a bit drippy, agreed. But I've heard her sing it a couple of times on TV with just a piano and it's really very good.
Of course, it is early summer and the warmth does get me in a pop mood.
3928. JJBiener - 4/22/2001 6:43:01 PM
Ducky - There is no way you can claim that millions of people trading music for free doesn't affect the recording industry. As for 90% if the music today being pre-fab crap, 90% of music has always been pre-fab crap. Fortunately most of it find its way into the dustbun of history and we never hear it again.
3929. rubberducky - 4/22/2001 9:25:05 PM
Re: Message # 3928, JJBiener.
Ducky - There is no way you can claim that millions of people trading music for free doesn't affect the recording industry.
certainly i can. just as easily as you claim that all the free songs out there hurt record sales, i can claim that the free songs spur on demand and thus balance out any 'harm' done the 'Big 5'.
you see, neither side has any claim to merit based on facts. i don’t think there are people waiting outside of Best Buy asking 'why didn't you buy a CD today?'
so, who knows why sales are down? not the 'Big 5' that's for sure. as i said before, i don't trust known price-fixers to tell me the truth about their business.
maybe it is because of free music. maybe, like Hollywood, they are mass producing shit that appeals to an ever-dwindling amount of people. maybe it's the economy. maybe people are pissed 'Puffy' has changed his name to 'P. Diddly'
i, myself, don't think it's Napster.
As for 90% if the music today being pre-fab crap, 90% of music has always been pre-fab crap. Fortunately most of it find its way into the dustbun of history and we never hear it again.
eh, yeah well. i still have to rant about it every few months.
3930. JudithAtHome - 4/22/2001 10:46:16 PM
Has anyone heard the newest tenor sensation? Russell Watson.
3931. Cellar Door - 4/22/2001 11:37:46 PM
This just in from Bill's chatlist "Songbirds":
Here's an excerpt from this morning's message from the legendary Ralph Burns, who attended the tribute to Liza in Florida this weekend--enjoy!
"dear mark-just to let u know 4 the grapevine--last nite in front of 2000 florida decorators escorting maybe 30 women--without rehearsal or plan--Liza sang and I played 4 her--I am not kidding--her voice was impeccable--and I was too--her--no rasp--so clear voice thrilled all in the ballroom--it was a first 4 her and a first 4 me in 5 years and the audience was entranced--just
like mama Judy her power of recovery was amazing and I am so happy to be part of her recovery=====hallelujah----rburns"
3932. JJBiener - 4/22/2001 11:40:13 PM
Judith - I have heard the name in passing. Do you have any details?
3933. JudithAtHome - 4/22/2001 11:49:49 PM
JJ:
Here's a little bit about the lad and a chance to hear some of his stuff...
Russell Watson: The Voice
3934. JudithAtHome - 4/22/2001 11:53:28 PM
In fact, I just used my own link to go back and order the CD...I heard him last week on one of the morning shows and when I saw that "Caruso" was listed as one of the tracks, I decided to get it...
3935. JudithAtHome - 4/22/2001 11:55:01 PM
Hmmmmm.....JJ, does that link hook up to my membership page by any chance? If it does, could you please delete it? I don't know how that actually works...
3936. JJBiener - 4/23/2001 12:15:50 AM
Judith - I doesn't seem to. I think that is controlled through cookies on your machine. When I use the link it has my information, not yours.
3937. JudithAtHome - 4/23/2001 12:17:23 AM
Great...thanks!
They didn't link the best parts of "Caruso" but I got a small taste of it, anyhow. Did you listen to any of his stuff?
3938. JJBiener - 4/23/2001 12:22:03 AM
Judith - Not yet. The firewall at work screens out audio files.
3939. Fielding - 4/23/2001 3:17:14 PM
Got my Producers tix - in December!
3940. JudithAtHome - 4/23/2001 3:18:25 PM
You DOG!!!
3941. marjoribanks - 4/23/2001 3:21:23 PM
I saw the very charming movie High Fidelity last night. In some ways, it's the story of part of my life.
But I want to know which Dylan song it was that played towards the end when the protagonists get together after the funeral. Does anyone know or remember? How can I find out?
3942. Fielding - 4/23/2001 3:27:54 PM
You can get info like this from imdb.
imdb lists three Bob Dylan songs in High Fidelity:
* Tonight I'll Be Staying Here Wth You.
* Most Of The Time
* Shooting Star
Based on the "licensing" credits for the other two, I would guess that it is "Most Of The Time".
I saw the movie a year ago and disliked it. I don't remember which song they played when.
3943. Fielding - 4/23/2001 3:28:31 PM
Rrrf!
3944. marjoribanks - 4/23/2001 3:32:20 PM
Thanks Fielding. I found it someplace the at the same time. It's off the 1989 No Mercy album which I don't own but will soon. Excellent song.
3945. Fielding - 4/23/2001 3:37:59 PM
I have Oh Mercy. It is Dylan's attempt to play New Orleans-style gospel. Not one of Dylan's best, but an interesting and solid effort.
3946. marjoribanks - 4/23/2001 4:09:25 PM
I divested myself of all albums after Blonde on Blonde during the CD switchover. In fact, I rarely listen to Dylan anymore if at all. I'm hoping that one day my kid will discover the albums and I'll go through a Dylan listening period again. That's exactly what happened with my father and me.
However, I'll get Oh Mercy the next time I'm ordering stuff from BMG which will be fairly soon.
3947. Fielding - 4/23/2001 4:15:13 PM
IMO, Blood On The Tracks is as good as any early Dylan album.
3948. marjoribanks - 4/23/2001 4:18:57 PM
Yes, Blood on the Tracks is a great great album. However, I'll wait the 15+ years it'll take for my son to get into that kind of music before I buy it on CD.
Too many other items on the agenda till then.
BTW, I forgot about the one Dylan album I do play regularly though not more often than once every three weeks or so - Nashville Skyline.
3949. JJBiener - 4/23/2001 4:56:23 PM
I was always a big Dylan fan. Growing up I think I bought more of his stuff that any other artist. Blood on the Tracks is a favorite as is Planet Waves, Desire and Before the Flood
3950. JJBiener - 4/23/2001 4:59:32 PM
My daughter and I were in the car and "I Only Want to Be With You" by Hootie and the Blowfish came on the radio. In the song he talks about listening to a little Dylan. I handed my daughter Blood on the Tracks and told her, that's what Darius was listening to when he wrote that song.
3951. marjoribanks - 4/24/2001 10:01:57 PM
I'm running this awesome scam on BMG music clubs.
See, if you're a member and you refer someone else who joins (great deal of 12 CD's for the price of 1) you get 5 free CD's. So I referred my 14-month old son and my wife (using free e-mail accounts). Despite the fact that I've paid for everything with the same credit card and that the address is the same for all, BMG doesn't seem to care.
So another 7 free arrived today.
Salif Keita: Manso of Mali
Bob Marley: Exodus
Caetano Veloso: Orfeu Soundtrack
Yo Yo Ma: Appalachian Journey
Joshua Redman: Timeless Tales
Irakere: The Best of Irakere
Don Evans: Live at the Village Vanguard
Awesome.
3952. don s. - 4/24/2001 11:01:18 PM
Would be interested in your take on the Joshua Redman, Marj. Have I mentioned that my very good friends Neil and Patty share a backyard wall with Joshua Redman in Sleepy Hollow, NY? They wrote that they often hear him practicing. How I hate them.
3953. marjoribanks - 4/24/2001 11:07:53 PM
I'll review it tomorrow, don. I absolutely love Beyond, which is the only Redman album I own to date.
I assume you have every album he's done (4? 5?). I'd appreciate recommendations to follow up on this purchase.
Actually, I very psyched to hear his versions on this album, and what a quirky delightful bunch they are. Eleanor Rigby. The Times They Are A-Changin. You got to love a man who can put tracks written originally by Stevie Wonder, Cole Porter and Rogers and Hammerstein on the same album. I had to have it the moment I heard of it.
And your friends are absurdly lucky. I hope they deserve such good fortune.
3954. JJBiener - 4/24/2001 11:10:39 PM
Don - How I hate them
You hate them with good reason. The man is definitely talented.
3955. RosettaStone - 4/24/2001 11:42:16 PM
3956. JJBiener - 4/25/2001 12:04:56 AM
Rosie - Interesting list. I have a couple of problems with it. Don McLean is not a one hit wonder. He charted several times with Dredyl, Vincent, Castles in the Air, and a remake of Roy Orbison's Crying.
Also it is a little early to be calling Natalie Imbrulia a one hit wonder. She is still young at it has only been a few years since she charted with Torn.
Chumbawumba and Vanilla Ice in the top 10? I don't think so.
3957. Ms. No - 4/25/2001 12:25:04 AM
JJ,
You took some of the words right out of my mouth. Mainly regarding Don McLean and Natalie Imbruglia who, btw, had two hits although only Torn reached the top 10.
A-ha also had two hits rather than one.
It's a verrrry strange list. I didn't read how they decided on those artists.
3958. JJBiener - 4/25/2001 11:31:27 PM
Ms. No - How is the band doing? Are you guys playing out?
3959. JudithAtHome - 4/25/2001 11:43:01 PM
JJ:
Got the new tenors CD in the mail today...not bad.
3960. JJBiener - 4/25/2001 11:59:53 PM
Judith - Does it have anything interesting on it? Anything written in the last 100 years?
3961. Frankster - 4/26/2001 12:02:11 AM
Rosie -- Who compiled THAT list ? With the exception of Zager and Evans, Dexy's Midnight Runners, and Norman Greenbaum, the rest just don't cut the mustard. Not only does a "one hit wonder" spike their own respective genre, but it also must cross over into the pop mainstream airwaves. They also stand the test of time with durability. "In the Year 2525", "Spirit in the Sky" and "Come on Eileen" can almost be considered anthems. Who's out there singing or humming "Baby Got Back" ?
I second what JJ and Christin said.
3962. JudithAtHome - 4/26/2001 12:11:08 AM
Yes, for some strange reason he does Bridge Over Troubled Water .
But my favorite "modern" song is Caruso which I believe was written by Andrea Bocelli, the blind tenor. No, wait...I just checked my Bocelli CD and it credits someone named L. Dalla with writing it...anyhow, Bocelli recorded it first. Really beautiful, haunting song.
3963. JJBiener - 4/26/2001 12:23:23 AM
My mother is a big opera fan, especially tenors. I may pick that CD up for her for Mother's Day. BOTW is one of her favorite songs. Thanks for the info.
3964. JudithAtHome - 4/26/2001 4:02:07 PM
JJ:
If you do nothing else in May, make sure you buy your mom this CD! I am listening to it right now for the first time and I am astonished...I have chills hearing this guy. I know he is "unfinished" and nowhere in the league of the Big Three but let me predict: we're gonna hear from him.
He does the Freddie Mercury tune Barcelona as well as La Donna e Mobile and Nessun Dorma ....not bad for an untrained 27 year old mechanic from Northern England.
3965. marjoribanks - 4/26/2001 4:21:00 PM
Joshua Redman's 'Timeless Tales (for Changing Times)' is a delightfully quirky list of remade standards from all kinds of musical genres. From 'Summertime' to 'Eleanor Rigby' to 'Times they are a Changin'.
I've listened through the album only once, and frankly have to say I'm a little disappointed. It's beautifully made, and the musicianship is impeccable, and Redman does lead the way admirably.
But the innovativeness and intelligence of his original music (I'm judging by the one I have - Beyond) is missing to some extent. All in all, it is a fine low-level introduction to this extremely talented and likeable young jazzman, but the album is best seen in the context of Redman's orignial work.
Four stars out of five.
3966. marjoribanks - 4/26/2001 4:27:56 PM
Over the last few months, I've generally gravitated towards what could probably be called "quiet music." This doesn't refer to the volume but the style. So, I listen to very muted guitar music like that of Segovia, or to the pared-down sounds of Ali Farka Toure.
Being in this mood has naturally drawn me back to some of the very minimalist Brazilian music I've got in my collection. Caetano Veloso's tropicalia, Jobim and Gilberto's bossa nova. And now I've bought Joao Gilberto's daughter's album.
Bebel Gilberto's 'tanto tempo' gets five stars out of five, particularly because of the mood i've said I'm in. It's so quiet and moody one could imagine you're hearing muffled rythyms from next door. Just right for very late night meals, eaten in candlelight and contented silence, with only the occasional additional musical accompaniment of a knife on a plate or a glass set down again.
Great, great, album.
3967. Fielding - 4/26/2001 4:30:41 PM
Banks:
I'm surprised. I had you pegged as a Mahler fan.
3968. marjoribanks - 4/26/2001 4:41:04 PM
Eh, I had my fill of most classical music as a child.
For at least a decade I've listened mostly to Jazz and music that fits into that absurd "category" 'World Music'.
3969. JJBiener - 4/26/2001 4:46:17 PM
Banks - I get in those moods from time to time. Usually when I am completely stressed out at work. Come to think of it, when am I not stressed out at work?
I have been on a Bonnie Raitt kick lately. I have always been a big Bonnie fan going all the way back to her first albums when nobody knew who she was. In my car I have been rotating through Luck of the Draw, Nick of Time and Fundamental. All three are very fine recordings. No one plays slide guitar like Bonnie. It is one of my professional goals to have her record a song of mine.
3970. arkymalarky - 4/27/2001 4:22:31 AM
Bob listened to Street Lights a lot when we first began seeing eachother, and I think it's a great album. What a voice.
3971. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 4:49:53 AM
Arky - Bonnie has a voice that just resonates with me. It always has. Street Lights is a great album. I need to get that on CD. I first saw her on television after her first album was released. I think I fell in love with her then and have stayed that way ever since.
3972. msgreer - 4/27/2001 10:40:17 AM
JJ
"It is one of my professional goals to have her record a song of mine." And so she will, JJ.
I believe it will happen. You have been talking about Bonnie for awhile so I picked up the CD you have. I am thorougly enjoying it. Thanks.
3973. RosettaStone - 4/27/2001 2:07:38 PM
I just noticed that you don't have a link to NAPSTER in your butterscotch bar, JJ.
Professional reasons?
3974. wabbit - 4/27/2001 2:51:35 PM
I heard a live recording of Bonnie Raitt singing Clapton's Can't Find My Way Home and have hoped for years that the Boston radio station that has it would release it on a disc, but so far, nada. Just Bonnie and a guitar, fabulous.
I've never used Napster, or any of the clones for that matter. Does anyone have any favorites?
3975. JJBiener - 4/27/2001 4:40:09 PM
Rosie - I will not promote the theft of an artists work.
3976. Cellar Door - 4/27/2001 4:47:04 PM
Napster is virtually dead. In compliance with the judge's ruling they have apparently removed ALL the links to all copyrighted material.
3977. wabbit - 4/27/2001 5:25:17 PM
Future trivia question: who was the first recording artist to release a copy-protected CD?
Charlie Pride
3978. seadate - 4/29/2001 7:32:54 PM
I've been enjoying a Bose Wave Radio/CD Player. Incredible!
3979. JudithAtHome - 4/29/2001 7:40:27 PM
Guess Rush finally got to ya, huh?
3980. marjoribanks - 4/29/2001 7:44:18 PM
Seadate,
I've had one for over a year, and love it. Awesome sound from an astoundingly small package.
I like it so much I got rid of my larger stereo set.
3981. labwabbit - 4/29/2001 7:44:42 PM
I will not promote the theft of an artists work
What is considered a non-artist?
One day I bought a new car.
I have let 152 friends use it whenever that wanted so that they did not need to purchase one.
I copied a recipe from Julia Childs. I created a banquet for thousands as a result.
I bought a PC at a garage sale. Had this neat camera thinga-ma-jiggy. Borrowed the software from my employer who had the same model to make it run.
I heard this really great song. The people loved when I played it for them...for money.
3982. seadate - 4/29/2001 7:48:11 PM
Guess Rush finally got to ya, huh?
You always know what to say to pull at my heartstrings, Judith.
3983. JudithAtHome - 4/29/2001 8:00:05 PM
(Did you read about my party stuff in H&G? You're invited, you know...)
3984. seadate - 4/29/2001 8:02:43 PM
K
3985. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 8:06:35 PM
Lab - I am sure if you search your heart you will be able to discern when you are stealing someone's work and when you aren't.
3986. seadate - 4/29/2001 8:09:25 PM
I'll bet Lab was jokin'.
3987. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 8:19:24 PM
Seadate - If he was, he needs to brush up a bit.
3988. labwabbit - 4/29/2001 8:26:17 PM
Whether a package of gum slipped into one's pocket, or $1 million from a bank, theft is theft and in one's heart it is just as wrong. Steal a half of a sandwhich from a starving person, or a Rolls Royce from a billionaire.
Stealing for mere personal gain, or for the benefit of many.
It's just all so non-sequitur....where the only common denominator, or universal logic is the amount of money one gets, or doesn't get, as a result of the "theft" in arbitrarily applied definition.
Therefore theft isn't theft as defined to itself. It becomes a degree of theft that determines the definition. Sort of like murder a transient, get twenty five to life...murder a cop, get an over-dose.
Bah! I've played Zep and the Who so many times and got 10's of thousands of dollars for doing so...perhaps when people should have been buying tickets to the artists' concerts. I made a living from theft...so does everyone one you or I know to "a degree".
3989. labwabbit - 4/29/2001 8:31:05 PM
Ruh-roh...
How much did ya bet sea?? Hahaha.
JJ: Just wanted to examine the concept of theft and how it was applied. Of course in adabsurdity as usual.
What standards are available on which to develop standards to which becomes "standard"?
(Hey who put that soapbox here?)
3990. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 9:07:16 PM
Lab - Look up fair use in the copyright law. A copyright is called that because only the owner (or his assignee) has the right to copy his work. When you were playing music, you weren't copying music. You or whatever venue you were playing in should have paid performance royalties, but you weren't copying and distributing someone else's music like Napster. Also if you think there is no significant difference between you spinning some Zep albums and seeing Zep live, then I don't know how to deal with your questions.
3991. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 9:12:57 PM
Everybody sing Hallelujah! We've got our new lead guitarist!!!!
Six men enter, five men leave. For the most part they were all good showings. This one poor guy yesterday was just pitiful, though. He came in with a guitar, FOUR amplifiers and TWO foot pedals, opened the BOOK (we had a four song audition that he's known about for nearly three weeks) and proceeded to play out of time, missing half the notes and without once making eye-contact with anyone else in the band.
What's really amazing is that he auditioned two years ago and hasn't gotten any better. He's got a lot of new equipment----all of it he played for only the second time yesterday---but he doesn't seem to have practiced his playing in the last two years.
I felt really bad for him on the one hand, but on the other hand I was kind of irritated that he would be so ill-prepared and still show up for an audition. I can't even imagine what kind of cajones or delusions are necessary for such a move.
Is this sort of thing common? I mean, I can wholly understand not being good enough to make the cut. I've been there many times as a performer, but to really not even be good enough to audition and yet to go ahead and do it just astounds me.
3992. seadate - 4/29/2001 9:17:50 PM
Tonight I'll go to sleep with the satisfaction that I now know the proper spelling of "kahonies".
3993. seadate - 4/29/2001 9:19:05 PM
Ms No,
Maybe he thought it was guitar karaoke.
3994. marjoribanks - 4/29/2001 9:20:21 PM
Re 3392.
You still don't. It's 'cojones'.
3995. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 9:21:50 PM
Ms No - I have noticed something. The more equipment a musician brings to an audition, the worse he is. Our old bass player used to bring a huge bass amp with a built-in eq and the whole works. He sounded like shit. The great bass players brought only what they needed and no more.
There is a guy who hangs out with my band. He has spent a fortune on recording equipment, Alesis ADAT, Mackie 1604, mics, cables, snakes, amps, you name it. He doesn't know how to use any of it. He is also deaf in one ear. I can't imagine what he thinks he is going to do with all that stuff.
3996. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 9:23:25 PM
JJ,
Does Just Water pay royalties on all it's non-original tunes?
The reason I ask is because it's a question that's never come up in our band-room to my knowledge. I mean, we're a tribute band so we play NO original tunes right now. Everything we play is written by Steely Dan or adapted from their live performances. Now, granted we've made less than a grand from performing at this point, but that will change once we start playing out regularly.
I don't know of any bands that pay royalties to cover tunes and yet any band that's playing out and getting paid to do so is essentially making money off of other artists' work.
I know that if you perform a play you must pay the royalty fees or expose yourself to legal action. Even if you're only performing a section of a copyrigted work for a non-profit competition like the Irene Ryans.
3997. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 9:24:43 PM
Marj,
You are correct. I even knew how to spell it and got it wrong.
sheesh.
3998. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 9:30:15 PM
Ms. No - Performance royalties are paid by the clubs, not the performers. I don't know why it works that way but it does. ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and SOCAN are the organizations in the US and Canada that collect and distribute these royalties.
If at some point you record a CD, then you (or your record company if you have one) is responsible for mechanical royalties. These are usually collected and distributed through the Harry Fox Agency.
Both of these royalties go to the songwriter and the publisher.
3999. seadate - 4/29/2001 9:32:18 PM
From Websters ... I cracked up at some of the suggestions:
The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the Dictionary search box to the right.
Suggestions for cojones:
1. cojoins
2. Cajuns
3. Cajans
4. colones
5. cojoin
6. cogons
7. coitions
8. cautions
9. cojoined
10. cogency
11. cogent
4000. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 9:38:48 PM
JJ,
Yeah, that's what our bassist was saying after the guy left. "The minute I saw how much equipment he had I knew we were in trouble."
Yesterday's auditions were kind of funny all around.
The first guy who showed up has been playing with another SD tribute band for the last few months, but they're having a lot of troubles and he lives more than an hour away from where they generally practice and play so he was really eager to come try out with us.
He was a good player and he had the added bonus of knowing all of the tunes already but he had two strikes against him. First of all, he just wasn't as good as the guy who auditioned last week that we've now brought into the band. Secondly he kind of dissed the back-up singers when he came in.
4001. marjoribanks - 4/29/2001 9:39:13 PM
Seadate,
It happens to be a Spanish word.
4002. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 9:39:53 PM
Okay, well more than kind of.
So he comes in and both Kate and I try to introduce ourselves and make him feel welcome and he kind of shakes us off and goes right over to one of the guys and starts ingratiating himself.
Kate and I are like, "Uh, what was THAT about?" Okay, so now we're a bit offended but we figure it's just nerves on his part and shake it off. Then the band starts playing and we go into a tune that his other band plays and it's got some really big vocals in it. We hit the section and I thought he was going to drop his guitar.
Next thing he notices is that the band is taking it's cues from me on where the solos go and when the to go into the ending measures. So he starts to pay a little more attention to us.
After the audition he was commenting to our drummer, the band leader, about how amazing our vocal harmonies are compared to the band he's in blah blah blah and how did he break down the parts. The drummer laughs and tells him "Hell, I don't even read music. Our singers break down the vocal harmonies from the album and rearrange them according to whether we're performing the studio version or the live version of a song."
Oops!
4003. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 9:41:40 PM
I figured that if we could ever convince Indy and Jonesatlaw to host a thread together we could list the host as cojones.
4004. seadate - 4/29/2001 9:43:09 PM
Thanks, Banks. hmmmm, maybe that's why Spanish women like me.
4005. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 9:47:05 PM
Ms No - I think he figured out before he left that wasn't about to get the gig. It is a common tactic for a musician to try to scope out who is in charge and ingratiate himself with that person. It is funny in my band because no one is in charge. Some songs we look at the drummer for the cues, sometimes the lead singer, sometimes one of the guitar players, sometimes they look at me behind the keyboards. It all depends on the song and who is playing what. It has been a bit confusing for a couple of guys first time out.
4006. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 9:59:26 PM
JJ,
We really were seriously considering the guy. If he'd been the better player he would've been our choice. Of course we would've ribbed him about his blunder later, but it was mostly just highly entertaining for Kate and me to see the expression on his face when he finally registered that he'd made a social blunder.
Our drummer is the band leader from a financial standpoint and as the organizer. It was his project to begin with, it's his studio and he's the guy who lines up the auditions and the gigs etc. He's really good at all of that stuff. He's also really great about deferring musical decisions to the more qualified band members.
We've got a really strong horn section that pretty much takes care of itself. The horn guys all read charts, neither the drummer or the bassist do. The keyboard player and our keys/guitar/vocal wunderkind are both great sight readers. I'm the only vocalist who actually reads music at all and I really only read treble clef with any kind of speed.
Because of the sheer size of the band we have to have a single focal point for ending cues. That used to be our lead guitarist who was our musical director. When he left it turned out that I was the person who actually knew all the cues just because I've got a good auditory memory.
I really don't want the job, mainly because I think I look stupid with my fist in the air, so I'm in the process of teaching the cues to our wunderkind and drawing up charts on that so that he can give the cues from now on.
4007. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 10:03:04 PM
Ms No - Did I answer your question about royalties earlier?
4008. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 10:04:49 PM
I think we're only a tough crowd if you disrespect somebody in the group. I'm always amazed at how tightly knit we are for an 11-12 piece band. The chemistry is great and everyone gets along well enough that even when we have disputes there aren't any hard feelings.
I don't mean just pleasant disagreements either. I'm sure you know how heated things can get with all those conflicting artistic visions in the same room. The cool thing is that everyone feels comfortable enough to put forth his or her opinion on things without the fear of being summarily dismissed. There aren't any "half" members of the band with the possible exception of some of our substitute horn players.
4009. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 10:06:42 PM
Yes, on the royalties question. It seems like an odd way to set things up particularly since there are so many venues for bands to perform in that aren't bars or clubs.
Is it an annual fee that the club pays or is it per gig? Are they left to their own discretion on that or do they get audited?
4010. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 10:13:57 PM
Ms No - It does seem a little odd, but any venue that plays music is supposed to pay including restaurants, halls, festivals, etc. The amount is determined by the Performing Rights Organizations like ASCAP based on the number of performances, size of the audience and things like that. It is assessed yearly, I believe. The organizations do audits to ensure that the songwriters and publishers are getting their money.
4011. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 10:15:55 PM
Ms No - I assume that you guys are in this for the fun and are not expecting to make much money. With that many people, it will limit the number of places you can play and the pay will get stretched pretty thin by the time everyone gets their share.
4012. Ms. No - 4/29/2001 10:52:37 PM
No, none of us are in it for the money, but there is money being made at the bar, certainly, that's only being made because folks want to hear live music. If you play for free and nobody's making any money then it's not really an issue, but the majority of bands aren't playing free gigs even if it's not the band that gets the money.
4013. JJBiener - 4/29/2001 10:55:35 PM
Ms No - I just hope that the going rate for bands in LA is a lot better than it is here in StL. We have a 6 piece and we are lucky to $75 a piece.
4014. Ms. No - 4/30/2001 12:55:27 AM
It depends on where you play and what kind of deal you work with the venue.
Some places you actually have to pay them if you want to play. Other places will negotiate payment only after you've guaranteed a certain number of bodies for the show. The Whiskey is like that. They'll pretty much let anyone play but you have to buy 50 tickets from them before hand. If you sell all of those then I think you get a percentage of the door after those first 50 sales. Unless of course you're a name band that they know will sell well.
Most places do a percentage of the door and others are a flat rate. The big money for a lot of bands is private or corporate parties and events. If you sell in the right place it's not uncommon to make a couple grand for a gig like that.
4015. JJBiener - 4/30/2001 4:24:26 AM
Ms No - Most of the clubs gigs around here run in the $300-500 range. Weddings and corporate gigs can run $2000-5000. Those gigs are tough to get and they aren't much fun to play. The clubs don't pay that much but they are a whole lot more fun to play.
There are a couple of places here that do the percentage of the door, but there is so much competition between the clubs, only the best places can charge a cover and still attract customers.
4016. labwabbit - 4/30/2001 4:35:04 AM
The clubs don't pay that much but they are a whole lot more fun to play.
Absolutely. And the parties afterward...well some of memory were quite unique.
4017. JJBiener - 4/30/2001 4:49:07 AM
Labbie - When you play from 9 to 2 or later, there is not much energy left to party.
4018. marjoribanks - 5/1/2001 9:01:58 PM
I've spent some time looking for the lyrics to Caetano Veloso's song 'Soy loco por ti, America' and had no luck.
Any help in finding it would be appreciated.
4019. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/1/2001 11:09:45 PM
ALL his lyrics are supposed to be at his official site, but I haven't checked it out, Marj.
Caetano Veloso
4020. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/1/2001 11:10:44 PM
ALL his lyrics are supposed to be at his official site, but I haven't checked it out, Marj.
Caetano Veloso
4021. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/1/2001 11:19:54 PM
FYI Dept: "Soy loco por ti, América" was written by Gilberto Gil & Capinan.
Sorry for the double post!
4022. labwabbit - 5/1/2001 11:46:57 PM
Labbie - When you play from 9 to 2 or later, there is not much energy left to party.
When I had the full tank of gas of youth, would put in a full day at my 'real' job, then literally drag my butt to wherever we had a gig. Once there, everything was auto pilot (a lot of times) during setup and tune...but once we got to playing it was as if a new day had been started. By the time 12:30 rolled around, we were...pretty much into the spirit of things. The crash&burn in most of the clubs we played was Dazed and Confused, or if it was a mellow/older crowd we would generally end with Helter Skeltor. These were our signature endings as it was impossible to dance to or, on our end, difficult to screw up. We would play it until 1:00 and stop.
But that's when things would get lively. The blood was flowing and so was the wine. What a rebel I was..heh.
4028. JJBiener - 5/2/2001 12:05:51 AM
Several posts were deleted to clean up Labbie's mess.
4029. JJBiener - 5/2/2001 12:06:36 AM
Better clean up!
4030. labwabbit - 5/2/2001 1:42:10 AM
I thought I had cleaned up...took 4 post but hey.
4031. joezan - 5/2/2001 3:34:23 AM
During their hey-day on Long Island (mid-late 80's), my brother's band was grossing over $350,000 a year. Not bad for 5 single guys in their 20's working 3 or 4 nights a week. Of course, their best gigs were the door percentage ones, since that was strictly under the table.
Then, they raised the drinking age to 21. Everyone had to go out and get a day job, and 3 guys quit in short order.
Bro and the singer (they are the founders of the band) are the only originals left. The band plays mostly weddings and colleges (student gigs pay the best - for the shortest gigs. Usually $2 - $3,000 for a couple of hours). For the Millennial they played the NY Athletic Club overlooking Times Square. And last year they had a pretty good running gig playing every 4th Islanders' home game or something like that. And they're having more fun than ever, although bro is the only bachelor left.
Bro is a private piano teacher now. The singer is a CPA with 3 kids, as is the bassist. The drummer is a stock broker. Their last guitarist was a heart surgeon.
Next year will be the 20th anniversary of the band.
I am almost envious...
4032. Webfeet - 5/2/2001 5:46:46 AM
Where in L.I. did they play, joe?
4033. Webfeet - 5/2/2001 5:49:59 AM
Does anyone know that Charlie Chaplin was also a composer? I heard something he wrote announced on WNYC yesterday and was really surprised.
4034. RosettaStone - 5/2/2001 5:51:07 AM
King Harvest has surely come...
Let's start a regular topic on what people are listening to.
I just purchased new copies of two old albums that I've always loved. It's the remasters of MUSIC FROM BIG PINK and The Band's BROWN album.
I consider these to be two of the greatest albums of the last 33 years.
Both CDs include bonus tracks, some of them outtakes from Bob Dylan's Basement Tapes.
Interesting 24-page booklets in each package and the music sounds great.
Does anyone know of any BAND web sites?
4035. JJBiener - 5/2/2001 5:51:10 AM
Webbie - I knew that but I have never heard any of his work. I didn't even realize it had been recorded.
4036. JJBiener - 5/2/2001 5:55:11 AM
Rose - Do you have Before the Flood? That was always one of my favorites. The Band live was really something to experience. I saw them open for CSN, and both bands were in fine form. The Band stole the show IMO.
4037. RosettaStone - 5/2/2001 6:03:15 AM
No, I don't. Although isn't that the music from their concerts with Dylan in 1975? If so, I went to the concert in Washington DC. I was disappointed because we didn't have good seats
I do own ROCK OF AGES and their FAREWELL CONCERT in San Francisco.
4038. joezan - 5/2/2001 6:11:59 AM
Webbie:
In eastern LI they played the OBI East, South, and North, Summer's and a couple of other places in the Hamptons - one was right next door to Summers, but I forget the name.
In western LI they played The Dublin Pub, and some huge place on the water in Freeport - I forget it's name too...but those two places and Summer's were home to them for probably 6 or 7 years - they played all of them at least once a week.
At the Freeport place, they found out the manager - some guido in his early 20's - was pocketing about 1/3 of the door take. They promptly quit (with Dublin Pub already begging them for that night anyway). But it was not to be. No sooner had the word "quit" left bro's mouth, than the manager showed him his gun, and made him an offer he couldn't refuse - the status quo would be maintained.
They also had a pretty good gig for a few years at some big Irish pub in the Bronx - this one's on the tip of my tongue....
4039. Ms. No - 5/2/2001 6:16:34 AM
Rosie,
Go to www.ubl.com and you can search by artist, song, album for info. If you do a search by artist it will give you a bio and then links to a bunch of websites for that band.
I think ubl stands for ultimate band listing or something like that.
4040. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/2/2001 3:43:44 PM
I just heard about Charlie Chaplin once entering a Charlie Chaplin look-alike contest, in Europe somewhere, and he came in third!
4041. JJBiener - 5/2/2001 5:33:02 PM
Wiz - That's funny.
4042. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/2/2001 10:29:55 PM
It is JJ, but what the hell does it say about peoples' perceptions and power of observation?
4043. JJBiener - 5/2/2001 10:36:38 PM
Wiz - Back in the 30's and 40's, Groucho Marx was able to walk around in public without being recognized. Without the greasepaint mustache and eyebrows, no one knew who he was.
4044. Fielding - 5/2/2001 10:38:04 PM
"Does anyone know that Charlie Chaplin was also a composer? I heard something he wrote announced on WNYC yesterday and was really surprised."
He composed the score for several of his films, including Modern Times. The man was a genius.
4045. marjoribanks - 5/2/2001 11:09:13 PM
Wiz,
Hey, thanks for the link. It looks promising, and I'm going to print off a bunch of song lyrics. 'Beleza Pura' is another favorite.
Do you like Veloso too?
BTW, I knew Gil had written the song for his buddy. I even heard him sing it live once, about 10 years ago.
4046. RosettaStone - 5/3/2001 1:57:26 AM
Did you know that Pete Seeger when to Harvard in the same class as John F. Kennedy. But he dropped out to hobo around the country, and sing folk songs.
4047. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/3/2001 4:43:25 PM
JJ, Fielding -- Buster is "Da Man," imo.
4048. JJBiener - 5/3/2001 4:49:11 PM
Wiz - Cool picture.
4049. marjoribanks - 5/3/2001 4:51:20 PM
Wiz,
That veloso site is phenomenal, one of the best music sites I've ever seen - maybe the best.
Sadly, it has lyrics to pretty much every veloso song ever recorded - but not friggin 'Soy loco por ti America."
Bummer, I really want to learn that one.
4050. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/3/2001 4:58:53 PM
Marj- "Do you like Veloso too?"
Yes, I spent some time in Brasil in the seventies and eighties. Bahia is an amazing place.
Are you familiar with the music of his sister, Maria Bethania? . . .Or Jorge Ben, Djavan or the guitarist/singer Toquinho or Baden Powell?
4051. JudithAtHome - 5/3/2001 5:02:56 PM
Wiz...who took that wonderful Keaton photo?
4052. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/3/2001 5:10:59 PM
J@H - I don't know, Judith, but I doctored it a bit with the infinity idea.
4053. marjoribanks - 5/3/2001 5:11:16 PM
Wiz, Brazil in the 70's, how lucky.
Of course I'm familiar with Maria Bethania, Gal Costa, Jorge Ben etc. I love that era of Brazilian music. I'm also familiar with Djavan and Baden Powell but not with Toquinho.
By the way, I have Joao Gilberto's daughter's album 'Tanto Tempo', and it's really great. You should check it out, it's a worthy carrying-of-the-torch.
4054. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/3/2001 5:54:22 PM
Marj- I just heard the Bebel CD yesterday, at Borders, and I liked every cut also.
It seems she inherited Daddy's romanticism -- but not, I hope, his temperamental madness -- which is legendary.
I originally got hooked on the Getz/Gilberto collaborations as well as Jobim/Bonfa along with Vinícius DeMoraes of Black Ofeo fame-- with whom Toquinho eventually teamed up.
There's a bit more of a Brasilian folkloric influence in their work, but just as hunting and sweet as Gilberto -- or any of the others.
One of my favorite albums of his, is on the BMG label, entitled O Melhor de Toquinho (The Best of), but It may be out of print.
Look for these specific songs if you're interested: Tarde em Itapoa (Afternoon at Itapoa Beach and my fav!) a medley entitled: Como Dizia O Poeta / Morena Flor / Samba da volta / Regra três. Oh, and : Lua Cheia / Samba de Orly / Samba pr Vinicius.
You might still be able to get this album which has a lot of traditional cuts.
4055. marjoribanks - 5/3/2001 5:59:06 PM
Wiz,
Will definitely check those out.
I recently boght the Orfeu soundtrack, it's not quite as powerful as I remember from years ago. But worth it.
Since I was a child, Manha de Carnival has been one of my favorite songs. But not quite the version that's on the soundtrack.
4056. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/3/2001 6:48:28 PM
Marj- I agree again.
There are some other Brasilian artists and American collaborators who have done justice to the tradition. Have you heard these albums?:
Gerry Mulligan/Jane Duboc "Paraiso"
[Click Amor Em Paz & Tarde Em Itapoan if you have real audio]
Or this fabulous collaboration where the genius of Ivin Lins is ignored by the record company's publicity machine:
Terence Blanchard The Heart Speaks [Try Meu Pais or Antes Que Seja Tarde.]
And speaking of an underrated, temperamental artist: Kenny Rankin -Here In My Heart This album is addictive and someone connected him up with some really terrific Brasilian songs and musicians. Try any of the Real Audi options -- especially Those Eyes. Some of the best cuts aren't featured however.]
4057. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/3/2001 7:49:14 PM
Addendum: "Since I was a child, Manha de Carnival has been one of my favorite songs. But not quite the version that's on the soundtrack."
Try these:
Luiz Bonfa
Non-Stop To Brazil
Luiz Bonfa
The Bonfa Magic
4058. marjoribanks - 5/3/2001 8:52:50 PM
Awsome referrals, Wiz. Thanks so much. I'm definitely in a mood to check out/hear/acquire more Brazilian stuff.
By the way, I've ordered a CD by one Virginia Rodrigues who is getting rave reviews for her live performance in NYC last week, who was discovered/produced by Caetano Veloso, and whose CD contains a version of Manha de Carnival.
4059. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/3/2001 10:51:31 PM
Rodrigues has a classic voice; she comes out of the Northeast's folk traditions also -- more Samba than Bossa Nova, too.
In that vein (though he's from Cape Verde) you might enjoy Boy Ge Mendes' Noite De Morabeza CD.
Check out the first track ( it's haunting) -- So Doce, So Mel . There isn't a bad cut on this album, btw.
4060. Frankster - 5/4/2001 9:21:45 PM
Ms. No,
Thanks for the great link (4039). I've used it extensively since you posted it.
Four pop CDs -- yes, I said POP -- entered my collection last night ( I was actually shopping for a nephew, but hey, I thought as long as I was there, why not ? ).
They are:
The Very Best of Dusty Springfield. I thought Sergio Mendes did a very good take of The Look of Love, but after listening to her cover of it again, I don't know. Great CD, with most of her biggest hits. What a voice!
Old School Love Songs. Two early 70s songs by The Intruders, and one by Charles Wright & The Watts 103TD Street Rhythm Band sold me on it.
Super Hits of the'70s - Have a Nice Day. Mostly one-hit wonders included in this compilation CD, including one I always wanted -- Venus, by the Shocking Blue.
Jefferson Airplane - Jefferson Starship - Starship.
We built this city on rock and ro-o-o-o-o-oll...
I just liked the Starship in the 80s. Go figure ?
4061. Cellar Door - 5/4/2001 9:25:52 PM
Dusty is a Goddess!
And Caetano Veloso is truly wonderful.
4062. JJBiener - 5/5/2001 12:49:07 AM
It is official. My band Just Water will be opening for BB King and Koko Taylor this August. More details as they become available.
4063. Frankster - 5/5/2001 1:40:57 AM
Congratulations, JJ !!! I'm happy for y'all.
My God, you guys are better than I thought. I thought you guys were still in the splitting the bartender's tips league ? ;-)
4064. joezan - 5/5/2001 1:53:49 AM
Hey JJ, that is great news! Wow - do you know yet where you'll be playing, or is that what you're waiting to hear?
4065. JJBiener - 5/5/2001 2:10:44 AM
Joe - The concert is an outdoor concert at the Casino Queen on riverfront. Technically it is in East St. Louis, but it is right across the river from St. Louis. It is a Miller Beer event. If we go over well, we could have a regular spot at other Miller events.
4066. JJBiener - 5/5/2001 2:15:19 AM
Frank - To be honest, I wasn't sure we were in this league either. We are a bunch of guys with day jobs who love music and love to play. Of course our family and friends told us we were great, but we expected them to whether we were or not. But over the last few months we have developed a fan base of people who only know us through our music. It has begun to occur to us that maybe we are better than we thought. We do it because we love it, and I guess the audience picks up on that. We are just going to have to see where this ride takes us.
4067. joezan - 5/5/2001 2:24:00 AM
Good attitude to have about it, it seems to me.
BTW, Koko Taylor just played here in Grand Haven last week, for the Chili Blues Festival. Even though I don't go to bars anymore, I actually considered breaking form to see him when I first heard he'd be playing. There is a small pub that regularly features blues, country, and bluegrass bands, and I figured that's where he'd be.
Alas, the bar he ended up playing is notorious for fights, under-age drinkers, and all the headaches that go along with them.
4068. JJBiener - 5/5/2001 2:27:50 AM
Joe - Koko is a she. If you saw Blues Brothers 2000 she was the female backing up BB King along with Lou Rawls and couple of other guys at the end of the movie.
4069. joezan - 5/5/2001 2:57:14 AM
Well, I never was that much of a blues fan, but if they're famous, dammit, I wanna see 'em.
...but not in that place.
4070. Uzmakk - 5/5/2001 11:12:18 PM
Just checked in here for the first time in quite a while. Was listening to the Mulligan- Duboc CD this very afternoon. Had it on the "platter" with Gypsophilia(Balkan, Jewish, Gypsy -local Philly group- brother and two sisters) and the Rough(?)Music of the Gypsys.
What was the name of the music that Hashke liked with the mournful, soulful female voice. I am certain that some of this stuff on the Gypsy record would qualify.
4071. Uzmakk - 5/5/2001 11:12:55 PM
Wizard:
You are a banana.
4072. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 5:27:40 AM
Why?
4073. marjoribanks - 5/6/2001 5:04:51 PM
Ooze,
The music that Hashke enjoyed is called 'fado'. Certainly your words "mournful" and "soulful" are appropriate in describing it.
Think deep Iberian blues, with moorish inflections, sung to the pluckings of a single guitarra.
4074. Uzmakk - 5/6/2001 5:15:23 PM
Wiz:
Because I am incapable of deciphering the message that you sent me.
4075. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 7:05:54 PM
Uz- So I'm responsible for that?
What eggzackley is the problem . . .
A.) Cross-platform conflicts (I'm MAC-- you're WIN, etc.) and it was unreadable?
B.) My meaning was unclear and you need clarification?
C.) Banana-hood isn't an insult and it's a good thing?
D.) All of the above?
4076. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 8:01:38 PM
. . .or E.) None of the above.
4077. Uzmakk - 5/6/2001 8:20:32 PM
Wiz:
I received an image with a title, therefore--
B and C with the phrase "may or may not" in the midst of it.
4078. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 9:54:46 PM
Yikes!
Yahoo Email or IE = Banana!
I'll forward the message via Nescape.
4079. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 10:20:24 PM
That's Netscape [. . .said the Banana].
4080. Uzmakk - 5/6/2001 10:46:45 PM
Did everything through Netscape. Much better. I have a PC. You are a good banana.
4081. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 11:06:27 PM
Everything is a matter of perception!
4082. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 11:07:51 PM
Toys!
4083. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 11:08:32 PM
Toys!
4084. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 11:09:00 PM
toys?
4085. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/6/2001 11:09:28 PM
Bananas?
4086. Uzmakk - 5/7/2001 4:06:52 PM
How many bananas would you be exhibiting in the book that you are thinking about?
4087. theDiva - 5/7/2001 4:22:22 PM
JJ
#4062
My God. I am absolutely in awe.
4088. JJBiener - 5/7/2001 5:12:05 PM
Thanks, Diva. We are all incredibly excited about it. Who would have thought when we were in the basement three years ago, we would be opening for BB now? We were just hoping to get a couple of club gigs. Now we can gig whenever we want to, and we are going to open for the big man himself. It has been quite a ride so far, and there is more to come.
4089. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/7/2001 5:12:45 PM
Uz- I have no fixed number and I'm very flexible--besides being far down the road. I usually think in two/three year cycles.
What had you in mind for images of yours?
[Hi Deev!!!]
4090. theDiva - 5/7/2001 5:20:08 PM
Hey Wiz!
JJ, that is so awesome. Wait'll I tell Greg. I knew youse guys were that good. I am so damned happy for you.
4091. wonkers2 - 5/8/2001 1:40:42 AM
Anybody else happen to have run across a private lable CD entitled "SHUT UP, LITTLE MAN"? "Drunken! Crazed! Opening the gates to the all-encompassing void of our empty souls!"
The CD consists of mostly surreptitious live recordings of monologs and dialogs by and between Raymond and Peter by their neighbors Eddie Lee Sausage and Mitchell D. Raymond and Peter are two apparently gay alcoholic roommates in San Francisco's Lower Haight whose basic humanity came through their angry rants and arguments that came through thin walls and open windows.
Copies can be obtained by writing Tedium House P.O. Box 424762, San Francisco CA 94142. Please include a SASE. or
Write Eddie Lee Sausage, P.O. Box 29053, Kettering, Ohio 45429-0053
I've listened to the CD twice in the car on the way to work. It's a riot.
4092. Uzmakk - 5/8/2001 3:05:30 PM
Biener:
Just read back far enough to find out what is going on with your band. I am wearing a happy smile for you.
4093. Uzmakk - 5/8/2001 3:44:04 PM
Wiz:
Picture this--
A knight on a fine horse, all pomped up, takes up the bottom half of the page. His pike runs up the right side of the page, its tip at the top right corner. His standard, attached to the end of the pike, flows back to the top middle of the page.
Across the top of the page is written, "Aware of a moral (standard)"
Between the standard and the knight's head is written, "For myself, I pay great attention to the
Lord
And am free to go my way."
-----------------
(standard) is written upon the standard.
4094. Uzmakk - 5/8/2001 3:47:28 PM
Does it mean anything?
Who the fuck knows?
Juxtapose, juxtapose, juxtapose.
4095. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/8/2001 7:02:27 PM
Uz-
1. Is a pike a lance?
2. Is a standard a flag or a banner-like thing?
3. Do you have any images in mind to base this on?
4. Style of image, ie. Book illustration or Hollywood poster? Graphic - just symbols and words?
4096. Uzmakk - 5/9/2001 4:01:07 PM
1) A pike is a spear with a metal head
2) Banner like thing
3) Images on which to base it? None specifically. I like the one that you have shown: dragon helmet, lots of color. The base of the pike would likely be held in some type of holster near the stirrup.
4) I think book illustration. Perhaps children's book illustration.
Anyway, wiz, this feels quite odd. I did sketch this out in about 15 seconds but I stopped drawing years ago so nothing will ever come of it. I guess I was thinking about "God" at the time. And I can tell you that G.K.Chesterton had something to do with this.
4097. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/9/2001 4:39:07 PM
Does that mean I should fuggedabodit?
"...but now a great thing in the street seems any human nod, where move in strange democracies the million masks of God."
4098. Uzmakk - 5/9/2001 5:13:54 PM
No, wiz, if its easy don't fuggedabodit. Quote-Chesterton?
4099. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/9/2001 11:28:27 PM
Indeed, Uz, my favorite of his.
Can you scan your drawing and send it to me?
4100. Uzmakk - 5/10/2001 2:10:18 PM
Wiz:
Original on newsprint and has since had all sorts of stuff written on it. I will actually sit down for an hour this weekend and try to draw something.
4101. wonkers2 - 5/10/2001 2:22:59 PM
Dylan's 60th by Ann Powers NYT
Bob Dylan is the Devil's Triangle of rock n' roll. Fly into his atmosphere, and you're bound to get fatally lost. First there's the sheer density of his output. More than 40 official releases on Columbia Records float like uprooted trees amid a deluge of live bootlegs, work tapes, planned collaborations and jam sessions, swollen even larger by others' interpretations of his repertory, Dylan's presence is bottomless.
Pull any song out of Dylan's sea and be overwhelmed again: his melodies fuse fragment from every Zone of American music, and his lyrics mix history, fantasy, self-declaration, endless games and jokes. In even his most accesible ballads the spark comes from simplicity rubbing up against convolution. Think of "Blowin' in the Wind": how many seas must that white dove sail before sleeping in the sand? Only Dylan knows.
then there's the public face of the man who created this vortex. He is a protest singer who has expressed disdain for the political, a poet nominated three times for the Nobel PriZe in Literature who has described his process as vomiting, af ounder of confessional songwriting who has gone to paranoid lengths to keep his private life obscured. Dylan's fans treat him as a god, but he is more like the Riddler, that comic-book prankster delighting in people's bewilderment. [The rest of this long article will be of interest to Dylan fans.]
4102. Uzmakk - 5/10/2001 4:47:43 PM
Oh mah goodness. I expect I did a little something for Bob's birthday. But I shall say no more on that point -- in the tradition of Dylanesque secrecy.
4103. marjoribanks - 5/10/2001 4:55:28 PM
Dylan is the man.
There are a couple of interesting books out on Dylan this month. They're reviewed at some length in the New Yorker and the article had some worthy insights.
One is that Dylan has still sold (combined) far far less than many popular musicians who've risen and falled while he keeps plugging away. One such example : The Carpenters.
Maybe I shouldn't have, but I found that quite surprising.
4104. JJBiener - 5/10/2001 5:02:41 PM
Wonk - Can you post a link to that Dylan article?
Banks - Surprising? No. Disturbing? Very!
4105. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 5:48:47 PM
Uz- Not necessary—I‘m just looking for an indefinite conception in the general direction of your yearning.
4106. Uzmakk - 5/10/2001 6:34:22 PM
And do you have it, wiz? The indefinite conception in the general direction of my yearning?
4107. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 7:55:38 PM
No yet; send me the drawing
. . .and I’ll turn it into. . .
4108. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 7:57:19 PM
. . .the general direction of my yearning!
4109. JudithAtHome - 5/10/2001 8:00:06 PM
That is beautiful...did you do that, Wiz? Or am I, by asking that of you, showing my woeful lack of art education?
4110. ScottLoar - 5/10/2001 8:01:48 PM
re Message # 4107: Who drew that?
4111. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 8:08:39 PM
Not to worry Judith, it only exhibits your unassuming humility and I would challenge anyone here to identify the drawing.
4112. ScottLoar - 5/10/2001 8:10:30 PM
Another vision: Japanese kimono, handpainted silk, 19th-20th century
4113. marjoribanks - 5/10/2001 8:56:13 PM
Beautiful images.
Dente, you're looks like a Medieval drawing that has been played with/altered/colored by you. If so, fine job, very nicely done.
I have a great affection for these kinds of altered works, and have several really dramatic ones done by an Indian artist on newsprint, book pages, and magazine ads.
4114. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 10:04:03 PM
Sorry to disappoint, Marj;the drawing was done in the early Eighties and it’s not been altered at all.
4115. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 10:06:14 PM
Dente?
4116. JJBiener - 5/10/2001 10:10:25 PM
Wiz - Would you like the offending post removed?
4117. janjon - 5/10/2001 10:10:30 PM
that kimono is striking. Is the background color black or a very very dark brown?
4118. ScottLoar - 5/10/2001 10:26:26 PM
Black.
I think the Japanese, Polynesians in general and Maori and Hawaiian in particular, Balinese, Tsinglit and Huron to have outstanding aesthetic expression.
4119. ScottLoar - 5/10/2001 10:27:46 PM
re Message # 4107: Again, who drew that?
4120. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 11:27:14 PM
JJ- No it’s okay — thanks though.
Scott- Pazienza per favore.
4121. JJBiener - 5/10/2001 11:28:48 PM
Wiz - Would you like a link to your web site on the butter bar? If you post the link I would be glad to put it up for you.
4122. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/10/2001 11:47:48 PM
Sure, JJ - thanks.
http://www.geocities.com/wizardofwhimsy/weeklywhimsy.html
4123. ScottLoar - 5/11/2001 3:05:06 PM
In remembrance of my absence for a few days:
Sword hilt, Silla dynasty (Korean), 5th - 6th century, Gold
4124. JudithAtHome - 5/11/2001 6:19:19 PM
Entwined dragons...wonderful work!
4125. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/11/2001 11:08:44 PM
4126. wonkers2 - 5/11/2001 11:12:10 PM
Who is the beautiful woman? A Motie, I hope!
4127. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/11/2001 11:48:45 PM
Her name is Linda and this is another view of her . . .
4128. wonkers2 - 5/11/2001 11:55:02 PM
The rest of her is as nice as her face. Cap'n Dirty sez, "She reminds me of CalGal from the back."
4129. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/12/2001 12:03:30 AM
This is a friend of hers . . .
4130. Indiana Jones - 5/12/2001 4:12:09 AM
4131. Cellar Door - 5/12/2001 4:29:56 AM
Perry Como!
A "petit madeleine" the size of the World Trade Center just fell on me.
4132. Cellar Door - 5/12/2001 4:30:27 AM
Please excuse me while I relive my entire childhood in fast motion.
4133. wonkers2 - 5/12/2001 4:46:11 AM
Okay, I give up Linda who is a friend of Perry Como??
4134. CalGal - 5/12/2001 5:39:57 AM
My favorite Como moment is a duet he sang with Dean Martin on an early TV show. He actually got animated for a moment.
He had a lovely voice and a personality to go with it.
4135. JudithAtHome - 5/12/2001 5:53:11 PM
We never missed the Perry Como Show when I was growing up...even in black and white, he was a charmer.
4136. JudithAtHome - 5/12/2001 5:54:37 PM
Wiz:
Lindas friend has eyes like mine...
4137. Cellar Door - 5/12/2001 6:25:10 PM
Perry Como's low-key personality and graciousness were what television was all about in the 50's. Now it's about people screaming at one another.
4138. PelleNilsson - 5/12/2001 8:14:47 PM
The Perry Como show was on here too. In fact I think it was the first regular American program shown on Swedish TV. I remember somebody saying "if he were just a little bit more relaxed he would be dead".
4139. PelleNilsson - 5/12/2001 10:26:02 PM
The Polar Prize, awarded by the Royal Swedish Academy of Music has ambitions yo become the Noble for music. This year's winners are Burt Bacharach, Robert Moog and Carl-Heinz Stockhausen.
4140. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 2:45:06 AM
J@H- Somewhat Arabic? Show me, show me -- I'm looking for models!!!
4141. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 2:53:08 AM
I'm also looking for pouting mouths
4142. Cellar Door - 5/13/2001 3:02:28 AM
Re. Perry Como, someone on Bill's chatlist just e-mailed in the following:
"I don't know if the story is true, or only an urban legend, but supposedly Como was ordered to sing "Happy Birthday" to Louis B. Mayer at the mogul's studio birthday party in 1948 -- Como,
disgusted by the command, finished his rendition with, "Happy Birthday, Mr. Mayer, f*** you!"
Perry was off the lot in 10 minutes, blackballed at all the other studios, as well."
4143. don s. - 5/13/2001 5:08:14 AM
4144. Uzmakk - 5/13/2001 3:12:15 PM
Wizard:
Very impressive.
4145. Uzmakk - 5/13/2001 4:16:38 PM
Wizard:
You are going to like my story --
A Story of Anne: A Tale of the Blades
4146. marjoribanks - 5/13/2001 4:37:51 PM
Wiz,
So those are all your drawings. Wonderful stuff. And admission: I liked the images of the murals you did for some CT institution that you linked in a year or two ago - but I had not thought you were quite so gifted and accomplished. These portraits are truly luminous and sensitive.
Do you execute portraits on commission?
4147. marjoribanks - 5/13/2001 4:38:56 PM
Don S.
Great website. Great collection. I wish I had either the skills or the discipline to do something like that, let alone the music collection.
4148. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 5:00:00 PM
Uz- Where can this story be found?
Marj- Thanks, but I've not specifically said these were my drawings. I don't do commissions, btw.
I'm still waiting for the Mote cognoscente to identify or place them.
Here's another with pen and ink wash over graphite and charcoal.
4149. marjoribanks - 5/13/2001 5:03:51 PM
Wiz,
The only person who may know, and who hasn't seen them already afaik, is wabbit.
Spill the beans already.
4150. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 5:11:46 PM
Here is a self-portrait of the artist . . .
4151. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 5:17:22 PM
"afaik" ?
4152. marjoribanks - 5/13/2001 5:18:42 PM
Very skilled indeed.
Wiz, I assume you are going to tell us who did these at some (insufferably drawn-out) point. Because if you don't I'm going to be seriously pissed.
4153. marjoribanks - 5/13/2001 5:19:05 PM
as far as I know = afaik
4154. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 5:23:25 PM
Hahaha!
4155. marjoribanks - 5/13/2001 5:34:37 PM
Well, Wiz, you really are a fine artist. Good show, good show. Those drawings are unqualifiedly first-rate.
4156. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 5:44:05 PM
I wash dishes in an all night diner, Marj -- some guy pays me to take credit for his efforts!
4157. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 7:09:49 PM
Okay, "The Beans: "
The artist's name is Pietro Annigoni and it was just a ruse to smoke a Wabbit out of her hole. He became famous and "in demand" after a brilliant portrait of a young Queen Elizabeth II in the late forties. He was more renown in Europe than here.
I studied his work and techniques in Italy. I wish there were some examples of his large frescoes (on the web), to share here. His crucifixion murals are incredible (in person.) I was allowed into the monks' quarters at the Basilica di San Antonio in Padova to study his last crucifixion fresco, done in the Eighties.
I'm presently working on some sculptures and drawings of two figures wrapped in lead (a modern version of the Crucifixion and Lazurus), so I dug up some of The Maestro's images for inspiration.
He devoted the last part of his life to large mural commissions after the abuse of painting portraits for the rich and powerful. He loved to paint the homeless of Florence. A rare bird indeed -- generous, mercurial, melancholy and incredibly gifted. Moreover, money didn't motivate him--just truth and beauty. No wonder he's been overlooked by the trendoids who rule the fartgame.
The students he chose for study with him were never charged tuition. Most of his students and followers schlocked out, unfortunately. Here is one: Antonio Ciccone
4158. JudithAtHome - 5/13/2001 8:57:05 PM
Wiz:
Not Arabic, just brown...I think you saw a high school picture of me last year when we posted them in the Cafe.
We went to Padova a few years ago and saw Giotto frescoes in a small chapel there.
4159. JudithAtHome - 5/13/2001 8:57:56 PM
Last post was in reference to my eyes...sorry to seem so cryptic.
4160. JJBiener - 5/13/2001 8:58:45 PM
Judith - I bought that Russell Watson CD you recommended for my mother for Mother's Day. I will let you know how she likes it.
4161. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 9:41:22 PM
Oh the Arena chapel, Judith--I love that place. It's the core of inspiration for the whole Renaissance--every great figurative artist has made a pilgrimage there.
It's about a twenty minute walk from "Il Santo" (Saint Anthony's Basilica and where you can see the ancient relic of his "crimson tongue" which now looks like a Slim Jim™!) Or did you miss that on your trip?
Oh yes, I remember now about your pic, and falling hard for your eyes. You wouldn't recall the post #'s or when that period of time was? I'm bad with dates.
Speaking of portraits and great eyes This is my favorite American portrait of a woman, painted by Thomas Eakins of his long suffering and supportive wife. It's at the Hirshorn in DC and I have a slide of my wife standing next to it in the same pose -- the eyes are eggzacklee the same and it's spooky!
[And yes, you can infer that anyone married to me would be long suffering!]
4162. JudithAtHome - 5/13/2001 9:48:19 PM
We have an Eakins here at the Kimbell...or we did. Maybe it was sold; I don't remember.
Maybe Frank knows when we posted those high school photos; I don't recall the time frame at all.
Yes, we saw the Slim Jim! I think we saw almost every relic in Europe...it's was my first exposure to those sorts of things and I was fascinated by them all...could just imagine the Relic Salesmen tramping across the countryside, hawking their wares.
4163. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/13/2001 10:00:31 PM
HAHAHA!
Cigars! Cigarettes! Saint's Testicles!
4164. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/14/2001 6:17:54 PM
FYI Department:
Blame it on the Bossa Nova
4165. glendajean - 5/14/2001 6:32:56 PM
Judith -- The Amon Carter in Fort Worth owns The Swimming Hole.
There were two Eakins exhibits in DC when I lived there. One was about the swimming hole painting, and it identified the models Eakins used. The other was about his rowing paintings. It was at the National Gallery and included his perspective chart which he had drawn in using for one of those paintings.
4166. marjoribanks - 5/14/2001 6:53:00 PM
Cool article from the Courant, Wiz. It makes some good points and is a nice primer.
Thanks for the link.
4167. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/14/2001 7:00:56 PM
4168. JudithAtHome - 5/14/2001 9:17:44 PM
GJ:
I know that the Kimbell used to own The Swimming Hole but something is nagging at the back of my mind that in the last 2 years it was sold...probably a dream I had after a heavy Italian dinner.
4169. RosettaStone - 5/14/2001 9:56:49 PM
Okay, go sue me.
I just purchased WINGSPAN, Paul McCartney's "Hits and History."
Forty songs for $15 bucks, including my favorites: "Mull of Kintyre," "Helen Wheels," "Bluebird," "Junk," "The Back Seat of My Car," "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey," "Man We Was Lonely" and most of the tunes from "Band on the Run."
Lots of good memories. The last stadium concert I ever went to was to see/hear Wings.
And, no, cute Paulie wasn't my favorite Beatle. I was a John boy.
4170. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/15/2001 4:02:30 PM
4171. janjon - 5/15/2001 10:41:29 PM
I am far from a fuddyduddy when it comes to much of contemporary art.
But - Jeff Koons just doesn't do it for me. Never has and never will. He clearly does it for a lot of people. The inane "Michael Jackson and Bubbles" sold at auction last night for $5.6 million. Here is an article and picture: And, It Can't Be Blamed On All Those Silly Japanese Who Bid Art Prices Out Of The Stratosphere Not Too Many Years Ago, Either
4172. marjoribanks - 5/15/2001 10:48:03 PM
I think Koons' stuff is a ridiculous scam, however I do admit that I developed quite a lot of affection for that flowering puppy that sat in Rockefeller Center most of last summer. It was very kitschy-cool.
4173. marjoribanks - 5/15/2001 11:05:07 PM
Again, I never liked anything I'd ever seen by Koons. But this piece, on its own, has kind of changed my view of his work somewhat. It was wacky, charming, and remains one of the best contemporary outdoor works of art I've seen. The side view was better, by the way.
I visited it a couple of dozen times, it was interesting to see the flowers grow, and the piece was just great in that grandiose setting.
4174. Fielding - 5/15/2001 11:15:56 PM
Koons is a scam artist. Future generations will view Koons as evidence that our generation is filled with idiots.
4175. Ms. No - 5/15/2001 11:16:31 PM
My favorite outdoor art is still the Cattle Drive in downtown Dallas. It's really an amazing work.
The Vaquero
The Back Cutter
4176. Fielding - 5/15/2001 11:19:55 PM
About 15 years ago there was an outstanding outdoor sculpture on 23rd Street and Fifth Avenue, called "Social Progress. It was an ant pulling an ear of corn.
4177. janjon - 5/15/2001 11:27:56 PM
Well, the big dog was amusing indeed. And, it was fun to see it get shaggy and change character in doing so.
But - nobody was trying to pawn it off as profound or worth $5.6 million.
Thinking of dog comparisons, I've always like Claes Oldenberg's stuff, incidentally. Filled with wit and whimsy.
4178. janjon - 5/15/2001 11:41:56 PM
Another comment about the Koons silliness. In comparison to the absurd interest shown in that Jackson monstrosity, a truly wonderful Diebenkorn went for "only" $3.5 million.
On one hand, it is terrific to see an artist like Diebenkorn now getting such stellar prices (I think that Diebenkorn is one of a small handful of the best painters of the 20th century - certainly of the last half.). But, when the Koons "sculpture" (one of four, no less) goes for over $2 more, that is just ridiculous.
4179. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/16/2001 12:44:06 AM
Leonardo da Vinci
The spider and the bunch of grapes . . .
A spider found a bunch of grapes which for its sweetness was much resorted to by bees and various kinds of flies. It seemed that it had found a most convenient spot to spread its net and having settled on its delicate web it entered into its new habitation. Every day, hiding in the spaces between the grapes, it fell like a thief on the many wretched animals that suspected no danger. But after a few days had passed the vintager came, and cut the bunch of grapes and placed it with others that were trodden. Thus, the grapes were a snare and pitfall both for the deceitful spider and the deceived flies.
4180. wonkers2 - 5/16/2001 2:40:14 AM
The Dallas sculptures are great. Lifesize Remingtons.
4181. ScottLoar - 5/16/2001 3:00:37 AM
No, the Dallas sculptures do not have the vitality of Remingtons, and if you stood among them in Dallas you would not think so.
4182. ScottLoar - 5/16/2001 3:01:34 AM
By the way, the longhorns crossing the ford are more interesting than the riders.
4183. wonkers2 - 5/16/2001 3:06:45 AM
My you're porky today. I was just referring to the subject matter and style. I've never seen the sculptures and would be surprised if they measured up to the master of the cowboy and Indian era.
4184. ScottLoar - 5/16/2001 3:25:02 AM
Oh Christ, can't you take a contrary opinion? I've seen the piece many times and have several times walked the entire length (yep, right onto the landscape), and if you'd seen it as well and had occasion to reflect on the work and compare it to Remington's perhaps you'd come to the same conclusion as my comments. Or, maybe not, but at least there'd be grounds for discussion rather than being miffed at my comments which you misunderstood as criticism of your person.
4185. ScottLoar - 5/16/2001 3:26:40 AM
Art, landscapes, architecture, dress arrest me and prompt me to comment. I do wonder what arrests and prompts many of you to wonder.
4186. wonkers2 - 5/16/2001 3:37:58 AM
I was agreeing with your observation that the Dallas sculptures didn't measure up to Remington. We have no disagreement other than your churlishness.
4187. ScottLoar - 5/16/2001 3:44:56 AM
That last comment is true and I did not intend to be disagreeable.
Christ! I'm doin' a lot of explainin' here tonight.
4188. wonkers2 - 5/16/2001 3:58:48 AM
Mostly for inadvertancies, if that's a word. I'm sure I have been much more disagreeable on many occasions. I keep telling myself to light'n up.
4189. RosettaStone - 5/16/2001 9:22:53 PM
Do it soon, or they will be gone.
Columbia has a promotion (at least at Barnes & Noble) where if you buy a Dylan CD, they give you a free Dylan sample CD.
The mini-CD includes: 1. Things Have Changed; 2. Blowin' In the Wind; 3, Blind Willie McTell; and 4. Roving Gambler.
All are live concert audio recording. Excellent audio, especially McTell and Changed
The promotion is part of Columbia hyping the fact that Dylan won the Academy Award song for "Things Have Changed." And his 60th birthday.
I bought three Dylan CDs that I didn't have to get the three freebies. They are: Knocked Out Loaded; Infidels and (a second copy) of Slow Train Coming.
4190. don s. - 5/17/2001 9:17:47 PM
Hey, Rosella, are you turning your daughter onto Dylan by any chance? I think I heard "Slow Train Coming" playing in the background when I called her last night.
4191. Ms. No - 5/21/2001 11:53:11 PM
Hey Frank, try these sites:
In the 80's
Ultimate 80's Songs
Early 80's Song of the Week
Songfile Lyrics Serve
Crawl-It-All Lyric Search Engine
4192. Ms. No - 5/21/2001 11:54:48 PM
4193. Frankster - 5/22/2001 12:06:37 AM
Thanks, Chris! I'll check them out, and possibly bookmark a few. I'm always falling in love with another song from that era. It happens all the time.
Rossetta,
Re:2169
I just purchased WINGSPAN, Paul McCartney's "Hits and History."
I purchased mine about week ago at Fry's, but only paid $9.99 for mine.snicker, snicker, snicker
4194. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/22/2001 3:51:27 PM
Susannah McCorkle, Pop and Jazz Singer, Is Dead at 55 (Suicide)
4195. CalGal - 5/23/2001 7:33:08 PM
That is sad about McCorkle. Dealing with depression is a bitch.
4196. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/23/2001 7:40:58 PM
Yes, and I'm wondering if her employers are feeling a somewhat responsible . . .
4197. CalGal - 5/23/2001 7:46:20 PM
I don't see how. Should no one ever get fired because they might commit suicide?
4198. JJBiener - 5/23/2001 9:59:46 PM
We finally have a date for the BB King gig. My band, Just Water, will be opening for BB King on September 1, 2001 at the Casino Queen Blues Festival.
4199. don s. - 5/23/2001 10:03:20 PM
Spam alert!
4200. Fielding - 5/23/2001 10:04:00 PM
Happy 60th, Zimmie!
4201. Ms. No - 5/23/2001 10:10:27 PM
Congratulations, JJ!!!! Wonderful news!
We rehearsed with the new background vocalist last night for the first time and things are looking (sounding) great! She blends beautifully with the rest of us vocally and she's a real pro about learning all the parts quickly. I can't wait for the rest of the band to hear her!
4202. JJBiener - 5/23/2001 10:14:52 PM
Ms No - Congrats on the new singer. We still haven't quite clicked with our new bass player yet. We were kind of spoiled by previous members at that position. I think he will work out in time.
Last night I went to see a singer-songwriter friend of mine perform. She puts on a good show. She and I are planning on collaborating on some projects in the not too distant future.
4203. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/23/2001 10:36:27 PM
"I don't see how. Should no one ever get fired because they might commit suicide?"
Sorry, that's not what I meant to imply.
I meant that anyone in that position must be wondering if their decision contributed to the suicide. And it may well have, but I wasn't trying to affix blame or responsibility -- in spite of my bad syntax/typing = "a somewhat."
4204. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/23/2001 10:39:07 PM
Congrats JJ -- your news is indeed impressive -- break a leg!
Do you ever watch the Chris Issaks show, btw?
4205. Ms. No - 5/23/2001 10:46:22 PM
Very cool! After vocal rehearsal last night another friend came over who used to be in the band and we just hung out and harmonized to a bunch of Beatles tunes and old standards. We had a really nice Andrews Sisters kind of vibe going with some Sinatra tunes when we weren't laughing too hard to sing.
4206. JJBiener - 5/23/2001 10:52:43 PM
Wiz - I have seen Chris Isaaks show a couple of times. I am not usually around when it is on. I like his music (I have most of his CDs), but his show is a bit on the strange side.
4207. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 5/23/2001 10:55:31 PM
It is strange and I just wondered what a real musician thought of it -- now I know, thanks.
4208. JJBiener - 5/23/2001 10:56:43 PM
Ms No - I wish my vocal ability was up to that kind of harmonizing. Unfortunately, I still have a bit of a problem hitting harmonies. I do start up voice lessons again in June, so I should start making progress again.
4209. Fielding - 5/23/2001 10:57:12 PM
Congrats, JJ!!
4210. JJBiener - 5/23/2001 10:58:03 PM
Thanks, Fielding.
4211. JudithAtHome - 5/23/2001 11:00:12 PM
Yes, I'm late with them but my congrats, too, JJ!
4212. Fielding - 5/23/2001 11:00:17 PM
There's a Bob Dylan Birthday Quiz in the Quiz thread.
4213. JJBiener - 5/23/2001 11:08:31 PM
Thanks, Judith. I wonder if we could get any Moties to come to St Louis for the show. It sounds like a good excuse for a Mote reunion to me.
4214. JudithAtHome - 5/23/2001 11:30:24 PM
Keoni has wanted to come to the little town my folks were from forever...it's about 60 miles notheast of Springfield. I'll ask him if maybe we could make it over a four day weekend but since we'll be going to Hawaii in November, and since that is still part of his busy season, don't hold your breath. I'd love to be able to do it, though, and will use all the wiles at my disposal, promise!
4215. CalGal - 5/24/2001 12:07:53 AM
Congrats, JJ!
4216. joezan - 5/24/2001 2:54:55 AM
Congratulations, JJ.
Wow - BB King is closing for your band!
4217. marjoribanks - 5/29/2001 5:27:24 PM
Why does this thread languish for 5 days at a time? I think someone interested should at least co-host to keep it ticking. What could be of more universal interest than the thread topic?
On a music note, I have recently bought and listened to Radio Tarifa's first album. You may or may not have heard of the group. It's named after the tip of Spain closest to Morocco, and the musicians involved have consciously tried to create a sound that reflects a place neither Spain nor Morocco but something in-between. A musical landscape that contains influences of both, as well as a certain timelessness.
I have written here before of my current fixation on "quiet" music. Well, this album fits the bill in a most capital manner. Quietly grooving along in a quirky Iberio-moorish fashion, its muted strains hit me where I currently most appreciate it. Yes, a couple of the tracks are a bit overly gloomy, but the sheer novelty and expert musicianship on the album as a whole make it easily one of the most interesting listens I've had in quite a long time.
Recommended.
4218. Uzmakk - 5/29/2001 5:43:26 PM
Banks:
I never did get back to you on your Voz y Obra recommendation. I asked you for a recommendation when you disparaged, ever so slightly, the Buena Vista Social Club, Ry Cooder et.al. I asked you because you seemed passionate and knowledgeable. I was only halfway through the Benny More CD on the second listening when I realized that I was listening to something very good. I grant you, great stylist, great artist, but the Buena Vista Social club has more of that down home feel that I like so much.
4219. marjoribanks - 5/29/2001 5:53:44 PM
Ooze,
I do appreciate the fact that you checked out the Benny More.
Please do remember that I put the BVSC disk somewhat into context. It's not that I don't linke it, it is that I find it less than stellar when placed among the offerings of many Cuban musicians over the years. The BVSC is a good primer, a well-packaged introduction, a feel-good happening. The context of Cuban music is extremely rich and diverse and full of (imo) superior and more elemental offerings, of which More is one seminal artist.
Besides, More's music isn't like the big band 'son' of BVSC, but more singularly crafted pop music featuring his voice. I do urge you to try (maybe borrow from the library) some of the samplers I also recommended and I'm sure you will find lots of other Cuban music to compare and contrast with the worthy geezers in BVSC.
4220. marjoribanks - 5/29/2001 6:04:08 PM
And speaking of Cuban music, let me say that I've once again been listening heavily to Silvio Rodriguez.
Again, he's not at all like the folksy Cubans in BVSC. He's a sophisticated singer-songwriter who makes popular albums, kind of like the Caetano Veloso of Cuba, or the Leonard Cohen if you like. He's huge in all of the Spanish-speaking world and has been since the early 70's.
Anyway, I've been playing and replaying his Luaka Bop sampler (Canciones Urgentes) and it is just a brilliant, brilliant, compilation of a musician at the top of his game. Expressive, beautiful, universal to the core. Songs like 'Sueno de una noche de verano' and 'Sueno con serpientes' and 'unicornio' are the kind of songs you listen to and imagine you've heard them all your life, even when you've just put them on for the first time.
Highly, highly, recommended.
4221. Frankster - 5/29/2001 11:22:52 PM
Congratulations, JJ ! Great going, my man.
Well, I guess this is the proper thread for the following:
I was a PFC on a search patrol, hunting Charlie down
It was in the jungle wars of '65
My weapon jammed and I got stuck way out and all alone
And I could hear the enemy moving in close outside
Just then I heard a twig snap and I grabbed my empty gun
And I dug in scared while I counted down my fate
And then a big Marine, a giant, with a pair of friendly eyes
appeared there at my shoulder, and said "Wait!"
When he came in close beside me he said, "Don't worry son, I'm here."
"If Charlie wants to tangle, now they'll have two to dodge"
I said, "Well, thanks a lot" I told him my name and I asked him his,
and he said," The boys just call me 'Camoflage' "
Who-o-oo-o-o-oh, Camoflage. Things are neve quite the way they seem
Who-o-oo-o-o-oh, Camoflage. I was awfully glad to see this big Marine...
... I don't remember the rest of the lyrics. Shit.
Two days late, but nevertheless in deference to some veterans I've known who never wore their war heroics on their sleeve, unlike one asshole congessman we have locally who turns my stomach everytime I see his mug on TV or in the local paper.
Okay, I'm through venting.
4222. RosettaStone - 5/31/2001 2:22:14 AM
New purchase: John Hammond's "Wicked Grin". Music by/and produced by Tom Waits. Can't wait to get home and listen to it.
4223. joezan - 5/31/2001 5:11:57 AM
JJ:
You've probably mentioned it before, but I always wondered how your band got its name?
4224. JJBiener - 5/31/2001 6:54:12 AM
Joe - I told the story at the time we chose the name, but I don't think I have told it recently.
Our original drummer had a bit of a drinking problem. The first time we all got together to jam, he was drinking pretty heavily. He got so drunk, he couldn't play. He was embarassed, so he said, "That's it. From now on it's just water." A couple months later we were trying to come up with a name for the band. We probably went through 200 names. I even solicited names on the Fray. Nothing stuck. Then one day our bass player remembered what the drummer had said and suggested we call the band Just Water. The name stuck. Both the drummer and the bass player have left, but the name remains.
4225. joezan - 5/31/2001 6:58:07 AM
Ahhhh - I thought it might be something along that line.
Catchy name, and not likely to be shared by any other band.
4226. JJBiener - 5/31/2001 7:04:02 AM
Joe - It is funny you should say that. In St Louis there is also a band called Just Add Water. One of the newspapers is always getting our name wrong. There is also a band called Flood Water, but they don't play out much.
4227. joezan - 5/31/2001 7:13:04 AM
No shit?
Well, you'll just have to distinguish yourselves elsewise.
My bro's band has a real catchy name, imo - The Touch - which, when they chose it, I warned him would very likely already be owned by at least 10 other bands.
Amazingly, at the time there were no exact matches in a search their agent did (pre internet) - but there were about 10 named simply Touch.
4228. Uzmakk - 5/31/2001 5:31:31 PM
Beiner:
Are you all booked up for the summer?
4229. JJBiener - 5/31/2001 7:26:26 PM
Uzmakk - Not quite. We are playing June 1, 2, 22, 29, 30 and July 13 at Porky's; July 14 we are playing for a private party; and Sept 1 we open for BB King at the Casino Queen Blues Festival. We also have a potential gig at the Sheldon Concert hall in August. There is a possibility that we will play a benefit for the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation at the Pageant, but that may not be until Fall.
4230. Uzmakk - 5/31/2001 10:11:51 PM
My struggling local blues festival
4231. JJBiener - 5/31/2001 10:55:37 PM
A quick correction to the Just Water schedule. The gig on June 29 is at Pilla's not Porky's.
4232. arkymalarky - 6/1/2001 2:51:03 AM
I told JJ he could have Bob's old band name, The G-String, but he wasn't interested. Hmph.
4233. Cellar Door - 6/1/2001 3:56:06 AM
Interviewed Alan Ball for the piece I'm writing for "Daily Variety." Suprisingly he hadn't seen "The Loved One" until it ran on TCM the other night.He loved it, of course, and was amazed that it was ever made -- especially in 1965.
"Six Feet Under" will deal with all manner of stuff, he says, including religion. The family is Episcopalian. He says it fits perfectly with their devotion to decorum. Rachel Griffiths role will be quite large as the story continues.
We chatted about funerals, on screen and off, and I (needless to say) told him to get ahold of a copy of Those Who Love Me Can Take the Train.
4234. joezan - 6/1/2001 5:51:56 AM
The family and I took in the Grand Rapids Arts and Music Festival today. We chaperoned for our daughter's Honors Choir, which performed a children's musical.
The music was excellent - just about any type of music you could think of was played somewhere downtown.
The event was billed as a celebration of Grand Rapids' diversity. And, lo and behold, the very first band we saw (Name: Like Water, JJ!), performed traditional west African Music, with native instruments, dressed (mostly) in native garb.
Here they are:
4235. joezan - 6/1/2001 5:53:35 AM
There was even a dreadlocked Jamaican, a rare sight indeed for Grand Rapids.
4236. joezan - 6/1/2001 5:55:20 AM
...and where would any Celebration of Diversity be without the ubiquitous Martian delegation:
4237. joezan - 6/1/2001 5:56:26 AM
I mean - with diversity like this, who needs segregation?
4238. joezan - 6/1/2001 5:59:49 AM
OH!
...almost forgot - we even got a close-up celebrity photo. See if you can guess who. (Answer in white font below photo):
4239. don s. - 6/1/2001 8:50:44 AM
That guy's about as Jamaican as I am.
4240. joezan - 6/1/2001 1:59:10 PM
don:
See Message # 4237
...cappiche now?
4241. glendajean - 6/3/2001 5:12:42 PM
I watched the Tonys on PBS and then CBS last night.
The PBS version started with Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick dressed in velvet smoking jackets, sipping tea while sitting in arm chairs.
PBS used a documentary format to preview its awards.
CBS showcased musical numbers. Faith Prince sizzled in her scene from the 1950s revival, Bells are Ringing. The early hype said that The Producers were going to allow a one time only showing of the Springtime for Hitler Busby Berkley type number as a way to boost Tony ratings. But instead, they opted for the ladies in the walkers scene. I wonder if the network was afraid SFH would be too provacative for some? Follies had Polly Bergen doing the I'm Still Here Number. Just hearing the music makes me want to see the show. (There was a nice story about Bergen on CBS Sundy Morning news show yesterday.
There ought to be a rule that takes back all televised awards where more than 3 people are thanked. The best awards are the ones where the speaker actually says something other than thanks to their accountant and their dog walker.
4242. glendajean - 6/3/2001 5:34:34 PM
Dame Edna presented the Tony for best leading actor in a musical (won by Nathan Lane). At one point, she/he put the award between her legs, promising the winner that it would be "personally warmed up."
Then she smacked a big kiss on Lane's forehead, making him look like he had a huge sore across it. The Lane/Broderick shticks were ok, they just seemed to have trouble getting in and out of them. Particularly funny was Broderick's power trip ("I'm king of the universe...the moon fears me...").
4243. wabbit - 6/3/2001 5:44:24 PM
4244. JudithAtHome - 6/3/2001 5:45:20 PM
GJ:
We watched the first hour on PBS and saw that Brooks & Co. were in for the win...so we taped the next 2 hours. I loved the opening montage on the PBS show...
I saw something on CNN in passing the other day about Broadway On TV...a sort of pay per view of plays and musicals for those who can't get to NYC. I know nothing beats being there but one thought was that at least these things will be saved on tape.
And more about the Tonys...I loved seeing all the prep work on the scenery! The Tom Sawyer set was especially impressive, I thought.
4245. glendajean - 6/3/2001 6:20:41 PM
Judith -- yes, the set for Tom Sawyer did look impressive, particularly the cave scene. The show closed shortly after opening, and frankly, I had no interest in seeing it, but did after seeing pictures of the set.
I'm not sure why Broadway continues to do "children" oriented programming. Good Man Charlie Brown (an excellent production, btw) and Sueussical (a not so excellent musical from what I've heard and from hearing the less than impressive cast album) both did poorly at the box office. I guess it is in hopes of creating another Annie.
Jane Eyre didn't look so interesting from the snippets we saw. I would very much like to see the Tom Stoppard play Invention of Love about A.E. Houseman.
The Full Monty cast took off all their clothes, using a policeman's hat at the last minute to cover their genitals. It was nominated for 10 awards and won none.
4246. JudithAtHome - 6/3/2001 6:37:02 PM
I would love to see Invention of Love and Proof ....I have no interest in the kiddie shows at all.
We're watching the taped Tonys tonight...I love seeing all the snips of the plays even though I already know who won.
4247. Cellar Door - 6/5/2001 5:46:24 PM
Went to see Rufus Wainwright at the Virgin musicstore last night. He played a
45 minute set for the customers, then autographed his new CD. Quite a crowd
there. All young. Equally male and female. Just before he started up some
guy in the back started yelling "Rufus!" and waving his arms. Obviously a
boyfriend. "Oh Richard, it's you -- and you're drunk," Rufus said, laughing
and tossing his head about flirtatiously. We all lined up afterwards to get
our CD's signed. I said "Well here I am -- the world's oldest groupie." He
liked that. I gave him my card and told him that I have River Phoenix pics on my
website, which of course pleased him to no end.
4248. JJBiener - 6/5/2001 5:52:44 PM
Cellar - Rufus is Loudon's son, isn't he?
4249. JudithAtHome - 6/5/2001 8:19:16 PM
John Hartford, songwriter and performer...RIP
4250. arkymalarky - 6/6/2001 12:22:50 AM
He did work with and was on the Glen Campbell Show. I always thought he was very strange, but liked him.
4251. JudithAtHome - 6/6/2001 12:27:01 AM
I always loved his music and thought he was good looking in a weird way. He did music on the movie soundtrack of Oh Brother, Where Art Thou.
4252. arkymalarky - 6/6/2001 12:39:29 AM
He did? I'll have to try to catch that. Is it on video yet? I read the positive reviews of it here.
I kind of saw him the same way you did. He was unique.
4253. janjon - 6/6/2001 9:16:37 PM
uh oh.
Here is a critique of the soon-to-be World War Memorial from today's Times: Well, even though it sounds like it is only going to be a rather chaotic and static group of tall columns, at least it won't be massive and "triumphal"
4254. ScottLoar - 6/11/2001 1:09:24 PM
First page of a Ming dynasty annotated edition of the Tao Te Ching
4255. ScottLoar - 6/11/2001 1:18:19 PM
Calligraphy of the Sung Emperor Hui-tsung (1080-1135 A.D.)
4256. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 6:20:01 PM
>I always loved his music and thought he was good looking in a weird way. He did music on the movie soundtrack of Oh Brother, Where Art Thou.
4252. arkymalarky - 6/6/01 11:39:29 PM
He did? I'll have to try to catch that. Is it on video yet? I read the positive reviews of it here.
O Brother came out on video and DVD yesterday- I rented it and it was a fun movie- gonna get the DVD later this week.
4257. RosettaStone - 6/13/2001 6:22:09 PM
I just got the CD, DJ JOE INC.
Great to see that it's in the top 15 CDs, according to Rolling Stone.
4258. CalGal - 6/13/2001 6:23:13 PM
Hi, DJ Joe, and welcome.
Arky, I can't recommend O Brother strongly enough. It was my pick for best film of last year.
4259. JudithAtHome - 6/13/2001 6:24:43 PM
Joe, welcome to the Mote...how are you?
4260. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 6:30:50 PM
I am doing fine- misses Table Talk- so I took you up on your offer to float in the mote.
4261. JudithAtHome - 6/13/2001 6:34:19 PM
I think you'll find a lot of interest here, Joe, and even after TT is back, you're more than welcome to stick around or check back with us at any time.
4262. RosettaStone - 6/13/2001 6:34:26 PM
Anything you can add to mote's musical thread will be appreciated. TT's MUSIC folder is my favorite in Salon. I have four threads going there.
4263. arkymalarky - 6/13/2001 6:44:35 PM
Thanks, Cal. I'll look for it.
Hey, Mr. DJ! Welcome to the Mote!
4264. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 6:46:21 PM
If there are any reggae fans in Virgina- Third World is going to be in concert on June 19 at Peabody's in VA Beach- sorry shameless plug-ok- got that out - I have company over-so I will be swimming away for awhile
4265. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 6:50:03 PM
I fully agree that this thread needs picking up. Even the replacement Music folder for TT in worldcrossing is 100 times more hopping and interesting.
hell, I'm even interested in what people are listening to these days or are buying.
What's on the O Brother... soundtrack?
My current favorite disk is one I've mentioned before, it's called 'Appalachian Journey' and features Yo Yo Ma, Edgar Meyer, and Mark O'Connor playing a lovely blend of classical music and appalachian folk songs. James Taylor sings guest vocals on a particularly fine track, normally I can't stand his music but this song is very heartfelt and good.
4266. arkymalarky - 6/13/2001 6:53:46 PM
You don't like Mudslide Slim?
4267. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 6:56:05 PM
Not familiar with it, Arky. I suppose I should clarify and say I can't stand his greatest hits-type songs which are played on the radio all the time.
If he has done any more rootsy stuff, like this track on the appalachian album i'd check it out. I've a weakness for music like that starting with Woody Guthrie and even Leadbelly.
4268. RosettaStone - 6/13/2001 6:58:33 PM
The problem with this thread is that the host doesn't even post in it anymore.
Let alone link to other sites/sounds.
4269. arkymalarky - 6/13/2001 6:59:56 PM
Me, either, actually. I mentioned that one because it's very early Taylor and very good. He does have that "rootsy" feel to a lot of his early stuff, and that album is especially good.
4270. arkymalarky - 6/13/2001 7:02:01 PM
For some reason, mentioning Mudslide makes me think of Elton John's Tumbleweed Connection. IMHO, he'll never get anywhere close to as good as that again.
4271. JudithAtHome - 6/13/2001 7:02:06 PM
I want that Yo Yo Ma CD...I love the cello and he is just wonderful.
I don't know why more people don't come in here and remark on what they are listening to and watching. I try to bring up plays from time to time and surely there are things to report with art amd music and the theatre...
I think JJ does a good job here but he can't do it all on his own. We need to help with our observations and recommendations.
4272. RosettaStone - 6/13/2001 7:06:58 PM
BS, judith. He's lost interest in it. I've been encouraging him for the last two months to put some energy back into this thread.
Like CharlieL, all he wants to do is hype his band.
4273. arkymalarky - 6/13/2001 7:08:08 PM
And you know how good Rose is at nagging...I mean encouraging...people to do things.
4274. RosettaStone - 6/13/2001 7:10:09 PM
I only nag when I'm ignored, Arky the Angry. And JJ's response to my early civil requests were to delete the posts.
4275. JudithAtHome - 6/13/2001 7:10:43 PM
At least people are willing to post in JJs thread.
4276. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 7:12:07 PM
Arky,
I'll sift through his stuff the next time I'm at the local megastore.
The Ma CD is great, and I recommend it, but nowadays I'm mostly listening to about four CD's of Brazilian and Cuban music. Not the dance or big band stuff, just quiet singer-songwriters like caetano veloso and silvio rodriguez.
i've also touted and discussed the last two quite a lot at the mote, so haven't really got anything much else new to share.
4277. RosettaStone - 6/13/2001 7:13:44 PM
Really? For the last two weeks there have only been eight to 10 odd posts--until DJ JOE came in to inspect the joint.
4278. JudithAtHome - 6/13/2001 7:17:35 PM
Well, Joe is a talented guy and if he stays around, he will enrich this thread quite a bit, I've no doubt.
4279. RosettaStone - 6/13/2001 7:27:32 PM
Are you a Dapper Dan Man?: The music from O BROTHER
4280. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 7:33:15 PM
Well, I think this thread could definitely use some energy, and I'm sure Jj would welcome a co-host at least.
Our old buddy, and hipster, Milton Fazoo is around.
Please Internet gods, allow Milt and this DJ person to realize that this very nice thread is here for them to enjoy and exploit and lead them to make it an interesting place again.
Mondaugen, this is our time of need, you should show too. I know you lurk occasionally.
4281. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 7:33:46 PM
Thanks Stone, i'm interested.
4282. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 8:35:01 PM
Milton is here-cool
4283. CharlieL - 6/13/2001 10:29:13 PM
Judith, I just got a DVD of Mark O'Connor, Edgar Meyer, and Yo-Yo Ma called "Appalachian Journey." It is very good. Edgar Meyer is probably the best double bassist I have heard, he just released a CD of unaccompanied Bach Cello Suites played on the bass. It's incredible.
4284. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 10:32:33 PM
Well I have taken a parttime job as a clerk at a music store-
Anyone here ever work in the music industry as a clerk?musician?promoter?DJ(club or radio)?
Just curious....
or let's flip it over to the other side- tell us about your worst experience with a music industry pro.
4285. JJBiener - 6/13/2001 10:34:37 PM
For some reason Rosie delights in going from thread to thread to bash me. I would go back and delete his off topic posts, but he isn't worth the effort.
4286. JudithAtHome - 6/13/2001 10:36:16 PM
JJ:
Everyone just considers the source...don't worry about it. Meet a new poster; interesting guy, DJ JOE. Joe, meet JJ.
4287. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 10:36:26 PM
CharlieL, i just mentioned that CD upthread and like it a lot too.
--
DJ,
I've never worked in the biz, but have known several musicians socially and have hung out with others casually.
But I do think of all record-store clerks kind of like those guys in Hornby's book 'High Fidelity' and the Cusack movie of the same name. In fact, i've often bought records from guys like that - especially at the now defunct London world music mecca Sterns.
4288. JJBiener - 6/13/2001 10:38:35 PM
DJ - There are a few semi-pro musicians who hang out here from time to time. We have had some good discussions on equipment, the hazards of live performance, etc. I would be interested in a DJ's perspective of the music scene.
4289. JJBiener - 6/13/2001 10:39:37 PM
Thanks, Judith. You're a peach.
4290. CharlieL - 6/13/2001 10:41:04 PM
Hi, JJ. How are you doing? (He asks just as he is leaving the office...)
4291. CharlieL - 6/13/2001 10:41:38 PM
I missed your post, marjoribanks. Sorry for the re-run.
4292. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 10:42:36 PM
High Fidelity is a fun movie- the clerks in that movie are very realisitic- one clerk reminded a friend of mine of his own intern(Radio) and the Jack Black character was a melding of 2 clerk/owners of a local record shop.
I started a thread in Table talk about music and movies- but it was widely ignored. I recently got a great(well actually horrid) DVD from Something Wierd video - it was a double feature of Herschell Gordon Lewis films. One film was called the Blast-Off Girls and followed a manager/pimp as he took a band and made them stars- the kitsch value of the film multiplies when chicken pitchman Col. Harlan Sanders makes a cameo.
4293. CharlieL - 6/13/2001 10:45:18 PM
One cool thing about live performance now, JJ. I'm playing without an amplifier. I run through the PA direct now, and with the small headless bass I am playing (which fits in a Reunion Blues Stratocaster gig bag) and the briefcase with my miscellaneous gear, I am pretty much self contained. It has been great playing at festivals knowing I don't have to drag the Eden 400 watt 2x10 beast around with me. We're quiet enough that when we play auditoriums, I only need my small Ampeg B-100 (one 10" speaker, about 50 watts), and that's only if I can convince the sound man that I don't play "boom bass" and his system can, indeed, handle it.
4294. JJBiener - 6/13/2001 10:47:28 PM
Chuck - I am doing fine. Busy as all hell, but that isn't a bad thing. My band has four gigs over the next three weekends. Last night we were working a female vocalist who is going to sit in with us from time to time.
How are things on your side?
4295. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 10:49:38 PM
I can't think of too many recent film/music combos which have particularly excited me.
Except for Hindi Bollywood movies, of which the soundtracks are often decent even as the movies are unwatchable. Actually, I have to admit that one of my favorite musicians right now is a man called A.R. Rahman and he writes pretty much exclusively for Bollywood pulp.
Some of his stuff is great, but of course I wouldn't expect the average American listener to take to it all.
4296. JJBiener - 6/13/2001 10:50:41 PM
Chuck - We are not a quiet band. A couple of places we played were so small we overwhelmed the place. It seems like we just groove better when we hit a certain volume. If we try to play below that volume, nothing really clicks.
4297. CharlieL - 6/13/2001 10:53:49 PM
We just finished playing the Potomac Celtic Festival, which was a blast, and since it is run bu musicians (Bernard and Barbara from my band), it is wonderful. There is an instrument check-in tent which someone watches at all times, with claim check tags on the instruments so only the musicians and the staff can get to them. When it's time to play in one of the tents, which are widely scattered because the venue is huge (about a third to a half of a mile from end to end), there are motorized carts that deliver the instruments to the tent for the show. When you finish playing, they will take the instruments back to the check-in tent. The carts also act as shuttles which will carry people who have difficulty getting around from place to place. It was very well-run.
No gigs this weekend, but we have one next Sunday, and then we play the next week on Thursday, Friday and Sunday, then no gigs until we go to Massachusetts on July 20th. It can get pretty busy.
4298. CharlieL - 6/13/2001 10:57:36 PM
By the way, JJ, there's a picture of my new bass on the Internet. The guy who made it lives in Portland, Oregon, and I found him through the 'net. Here's the URL for the picture:
http://www.kingbass.com/bassimage/six.jpg
The only thing he's done since the picture was taken is replace the black plastic knobs with wooden knobs made out of maple to match the quilted maple finish. The bass is beautiful, and sounds like a piano followed by thunder when played loud, and like a guitar which happens to have a lower than usual frequency when played quietly. Very nice.
4299. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 11:09:15 PM
>I can't think of too many recent film/music combos which have particularly excited me.
I can totally understand that- but there have been some interesting and funny stuff on the small screen. The MeatLoaf Biopic is the stuff of camp legend- up there with Valley of The Dolls. And I spend too much time watching Vh1's version of rock history.
Actually, I have to admit that one of my favorite musicians right now is a man called A.R. Rahman
getting some of his stuff Morpheus right now.
4300. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 11:12:26 PM
What does that last sentence mean?
He is a film music composer in the Bollywood vein, but world class. The Bombay soundtrack is a favorite, but there are many others where his compositions and arrangements are brilliant.
4301. DJ JOE INC - 6/13/2001 11:17:26 PM
actually that was a screwup- I meant that I was taking your suggestion and going to download some of his music from Morpheus-a Napster type site.
4302. marjoribanks - 6/13/2001 11:26:59 PM
Cool. Hope you like it, even if only a little bit.
I'm off. Glad you're here, by the way, this thread needs more music lovers .
4303. Uzmakk - 6/14/2001 1:40:23 AM
Banks:
I read the several pages in the Ondaatje, Cohen when I got the thing and shall read it through in the next day or two. Gives me courage to criticize some music to which I have been listening. I, ofcourse, am interested in only the best, Banks. I have a triple turntable in the shop and the three recordings which I shall compare and contrast are Randy Newman, BAD LOVE; Steely Dan, TWO AGAINST NATURE; Van Morrison, AVALON SUNSET.
4304. Uzmakk - 6/14/2001 1:58:15 AM
btw, if I forget to continue on this tack, just remind me.
4305. RosettaStone - 6/14/2001 3:02:26 AM
Oh, BTW, DJ Joe, Napster is the other thing that JJ writes about here. But notice it's not included in the butterscotch bar. Hint.
4306. JJBiener - 6/14/2001 3:09:09 AM
I don't condone theft.
4307. Uzmakk - 6/14/2001 3:30:19 AM
Biener:
Does your band do Smoke My Cigarette, Babe?
4308. JJBiener - 6/14/2001 3:50:13 AM
Uzmakk - Uh, well, do you mean do we do the song or is that what we tell our groupies? No, I am not familiar with the song. Who does it?
4309. DJ JOE INC - 6/14/2001 9:27:44 AM
>//Oh, BTW, DJ Joe, Napster is the other thing that JJ writes about here. But notice it's not included in the butterscotch bar. Hint.
4306. JJBiener - 6/15/01 2:09:09 AM
I don't condone theft.///>
of course Napster is theft- my immediate reaction was to ignore it- I did not install Napster for several months - I even debated my bosses and friends about Napster- but for me Napster is a reaction to theft- my idiotic desire to have most songs on CD- the fourth major format in my 32 year existance(vinyl,8-track,cassette,CD) had already cost me thousands in change over-as a DJ I always made my reputation for having a large and diverse collection of songs for whatever format I was working in.Besides my frustration with high cd prices - I have also had several hundred CD's,records and tapes stolen from me- some from my car- others from the venue's I was working at- it is frustrating having to spend money on a third copy of a Limp Bizkit disc for work because the first 2 "disapeared". So finally I downloaded the software- at first I used to find songs that I could not find on CD or record- in it's heyday Napster was the equivalent of the world's greatest record swapmeet.
4310. DJ JOE INC - 6/14/2001 9:49:10 AM
-Napster was a fantasy- as an avid reader of music books,novels and periodicals it eliminated the frustration of reading about a song and not hearing it- it was like my teenage dream of being able to pillage a record store and keep everything insight.I use Napster and now Morpheus as a way to increase my music knowledge- before Napster and Morpheus and CD burners I used to borrow people's records,CD's and tapes and record my favorite songs- Music is a passion for me -so I am always looking for new and good material to listen to-even with Napster I still purchased CDs from aritists that I liked and even some CD's from artists that I had discovered from Napster.Between work and home I still contribute over a thousand dollars a year to the music industry.My favorite component of the new music age is having control over song selection on CD's- even before Napster I had a CD burner and I wou
4311. DJ JOE INC - 6/14/2001 9:50:11 AM
My favorite component of the new music age is having control over song selection on CD's- even before Napster I had a CD burner and I would collect my favori
