36003. concerned - 9/22/2008 10:49:35 PM
The reason for this is simple: Fannie and Freddie became massive providers both of reliable votes among grateful low-income homeowners, and of massive giving to the Democratic Party by grateful investment bankers, both at the two government-sponsored enterprises and on Wall Street.
The result: A huge taxpayer rescue that at last estimate is approaching $700 billion but may go even higher.
It all started, innocently enough, in 1994 with President Clinton's rewrite of the Carter-era Community Reinvestment Act.
Ostensibly intended to help deserving minority families afford homes — a noble idea — it instead led to a reckless surge in mortgage lending that has pushed our financial system to the brink of chaos.
Subprime's Mentors
Fannie and Freddie, the main vehicle for Clinton's multicultural housing policy, drove the explosion of the subprime housing market by buying up literally hundreds of billions of dollars in substandard loans — funding loans that ordinarily wouldn't have been made based on such time-honored notions as putting money down, having sufficient income, and maintaining a payment record indicating creditworthiness.
With all the old rules out the window, Fannie and Freddie gobbled up the market. Using extraordinary leverage, they eventually controlled 90% of the secondary market mortgages. Their total portfolio of loans topped $5.4 trillion — half of all U.S. mortgage lending. They borrowed $1.5 trillion from U.S. capital markets with — wink, wink — an "implicit" government guarantee of the debts.
This created the problem we are having today.
As we noted a week ago, subprime lending surged from around $35 billion in 1994 to nearly $1 trillion last year — for total growth of 2,757% as of last year.
No real market grows that fast for that long without being fixed.
And that's just what Fannie and Freddie were — fixed. They became a government-run, privately owned home finance monopoly.
Fannie and Freddie became huge contributors to Congress, spending millions to influence votes. As we've noted here before, the bulk of the money went to Democrats.
Dollars To Dems
Meanwhile, Fannie and Freddie also became a kind of jobs program for out-of-work Democrats.
Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, the CEOs under whom the worst excesses took place in the late 1990s to mid-2000s, were both high-placed Democratic operatives and advisers to presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Clinton administration official Jamie Gorelick also got taken care of by the Fannie-Freddie circle. So did top Clinton aide Rahm Emanuel, among others.
36004. concerned - 9/22/2008 10:50:32 PM
On the surface, this sounds innocent. Someone has to head the highly political Fannie and Freddie, right?
But this is why crony capitalism is so dangerous. Those in power at Fannie and Freddie, as the sirens began to wail about some of their more egregious practices, began to bully those who opposed them.
That included journalists, like the Wall Street Journal's Paul Gigot, and GOP congressmen, like Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, whom Fannie and Freddie actively lobbied against in his own district. Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., who tried to hold hearings on Fannie's and Freddie's questionable accounting practices in 2004, found himself stripped of responsibility for their oversight by House Speaker Dennis Hastert — a Republican.
Where, you ask, were the regulators?
Congress created a weak regulator to oversee Freddie and Fannie — the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight — which had to go hat in hand each year to Capitol Hill for its budget, unlike other major regulators.
With lax oversight, Fannie and Freddie had a green light to expand their operations at breakneck speed.
Fannie and Freddie had a reliable coterie of supporters in the Senate, especially among Democrats.
"We now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years," wrote economist Kevin Hassett on Bloomberg.com this week.
36005. concerned - 9/22/2008 10:50:47 PM
Buying Friends In High Places
Over the span of his career, Obama ranks No. 2 in campaign donations from Fannie and Freddie, taking over $125,000. Dodd, head of the Senate Banking panel, is tops at $165,000. Clinton, ranked 12th, has collected $75,000.
Meanwhile, Freddie and Fannie opened what were euphemistically called "Partnership Offices" in the districts of key members of Congress to channel millions of dollars in funding and patronage to their supporters.
In the space of a little more than a decade, Fannie and Freddie spent close to $150 million on lobbying efforts. So pervasive were their efforts, they seemed unassailable, even during a Republican administration.
Yet, by 2004, the crony capitalism had gone too far. Even OFHEO issued a report essentially criticizing Fannie and Freddie for Enron-style accounting that let them boost profits in order to pay their politically well-connected executives hefty bonuses.
It emerged that Clinton aide Raines, who took Fannie Mae's helm as CEO in 1999, took in nearly $100 million by the time he left in 2005. Others, including former Clinton Justice Department official Gorelick, took $75 million from the Fannie-Freddie piggy bank.
Even so, Fannie and Freddie were forced to restate their earnings by some $3.5 billion, due to the accounting shenanigans.
As we noted, those who tried to halt this frenzy of activity found themselves hit by a political buzz saw.
President Bush, reviled and criticized by Democrats, tried no fewer than 17 times, by White House count, to raise the issue of Fannie-Freddie reform. A bill cleared the Senate Banking panel in 2005, but stalled due to implacable opposition from Democrats and a critical core of GOP abettors. Rep. Barney Frank, who now runs the powerful House Financial Services Committee, helped spearhead that fight.
Now, with the taxpayer tab approaching $1 trillion or more, we're learning the costs of crony capitalism.
36006. concerned - 9/22/2008 10:55:08 PM
Read the above. IBD does not have a political axe to grind, and it blames Democrats almost exclusively for the subprime mortgage mess we are in.
There is no lie that rejexst can tell that could possibly excuse this malfeasance by his party. GWB has tried at least seventeen times to reform the situation, to be rebuffed on every attempt.
You people really have to be idiots to think Republicans were the primary or even significant culpable party here. And yet you want to increase the damage by voting the Democrat empty suit candidate to the presidency. Overall, you Lefties are too stupid to survive economically. I wish I wasn't subjected to the effects of your idiocy because I want to retire some day.
36007. iiibbb - 9/22/2008 10:56:21 PM
A story
Some important snips:
In 1982, the same year John McCain entered the Senate, a bill was put forward that would substantially deregulate the Savings and Loan industry.
Seven years later, the S&L industry was collapsing. What was the cause? Garn-St. Germain handed the S&Ls a greatly expanded range of capabilities, allowing them to go head to head with full service banks, but it didn't give them the bank's regulations.
In 1985, three years after the deregulation of the S&Ls, the chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board saw that the situation was already looking shaky, with the potential to become much worse. He instituted a rule to limit the amounts and types of investments S&Ls could carry on their books in an effort to head off disaster. However, many savings and loans -- among them Lincoln Savings & Loan Association of Irvine, CA, which was headed by a fellow named Charles Keating -- promptly ignored these rules.
A quintet of senators, among them John McCain, began having meetings with both the management at Lincoln and the regulators at the loan board. ] Alan Greenspan also helped out with a letter to the regulators, asking that Lincoln be exempt from the new rules.
36008. iiibbb - 9/22/2008 10:56:40 PM
Keating and other members of Lincoln's parent company padded McCain's pockets with $112,000 in campaign contributions.
Following the S&L crisis, the Resolution Trust Company was formed to swallow up the debt of Lincoln and 746 other S&Ls gone wild, and taxpayers were left with the $125 billion bill. The resulting budget deficit forced cutbacks in other programs.
by 1999 Phil Gramm -- who had entered the Senate two years after McCain and quickly become the economic guru of the Keating Five maverick -- put forward the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. This Act passed out of the Senate on a party line vote with 100% Republican support, including that of John McCain.
This act repealed part of the Glass-Steagall Act...(which was) put in place in 1933 to control the rampant speculation that had helped cause the collapse of banking at the outset of the depression, and to prevent such consolidation of the banks that the nation had all its eggs in one fiscal basket.
Gramm-Leach-Bliley reversed those rules, allowing not only more bank mergers, but for banks to become directly involved in the stock market, bonds, and insurance. Remember the bit about how S&Ls failed because they didn't have the regulations that protected banks? After Gramm-Leach-Bliley, banks didn't have that protection either.
The next year...he was back with the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which ...greatly expanded the scope of futures trading, created new vehicles for speculation, and sheltered several investments from regulation.
large parts of this bill were written by industry lobbyists. This famously included the "Enron Loophole" that exempted energy trading from regulation and was written by (big suprise) Enron Lobbyists working with Gramm.
The first Act promoted bank buyouts and mergers that reached such an insane pitch that the average consumer could only keep up by tracking the changing names on their checks and credit cards.
Gramm-Leach-Bliley helped ensure that we would have financial entities that were "too big to fail." Rather than choosing to enforce rules that kept these institutions apart, the deregulators chose to create monster bankeragasurances whose downfall (and existence) was enough to threaten the whole system.
But if Gramm-Leach-Bliley removed the limits on size and scope, these new institutions still needed fuel.
For that, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act was a godsend.
36009. iiibbb - 9/22/2008 10:57:06 PM
**IMPORTANT**
Among those instruments which the CFMA sheltered from regulatory scrutiny was something called the "credit default swap." A kind of insurance one bank could exchange with another, credit default swaps supposedly made it safe for banks to take on ever riskier forms of debt. The Act didn't invent these swaps, though they were relatively new. Instead, by placing them in a state where they were not only unregulated but almost perfectly opaque, credit default swaps were turned into the perfect vehicle to fuel a Wall Street revolution. No one had any idea what these things were actually worth, they were traded "over the counter" without being administered by any exchange, and even the SEC could monitor their existence only indirectly.
Greenspan loved credit default swaps. He (thought) such instruments would be the salvation of the industry by spreading around risks. To (him), both their complexity and their lack of transparency were good things, since swaps would only be handled by the big boys who knew how to play with fire.
From the beginning, there were plenty of people in the financial community whose opinion of these unregulated credit swaps was not as rosy as that of Gramm, Greenspan, and McCain. Chief among those speaking in opposition was SEC Chairman, Arthur Levitt.
Credit default swaps did allow the banks to share risks. So much so, that banks raced each other in an effort to find more risks. They made it possible for the down payment on homes to become 3%, 1%, 0%. Skip the credit check, avoid the employment requirements, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! We've got a credit default swap, we can do anything!
36010. iiibbb - 9/22/2008 10:57:12 PM
As the banks piled up crappy mortgages, they heaped on ever more of the credit default swaps -- and they still had no idea how to value the things. Worse, they began to trade the swaps themselves as if they were an investment, treating them like something worth holding instead of a big bundle of cartoon bombs whose fuses were already lit. Since very few loans were falling into default at the time, owning a default swap seemed like a way to collect fees without ever paying out. Banks wanted more, and more, and more.
The unregulated and poorly reported credit default swaps may have actually passed $70 trillion last year, or about $5 trillion more than the GDP of the entire world.
so long as no one actually had to pay off on the swaps, the party went on. Even usually conservative (in the fiscal sense) companies like AIG started to worry that they were being left behind and leapt headlong into the swap pool.
Credit slowed, home prices fell, and the whole snake started to eat itself tail first. Suddenly, credit default swaps were not sources of limitless cash. It turns out that an insurance policy -- even a secret, unregulated policy -- is occasionally expected to pay. Speculators started to look at the paper they were holding and for the first time realized it could all be worthless. Worse, it could (and did) represent a massive debt; one that no one had the funds to cover.
The sub-prime mortgage crisis that has not only come so close to utterly destroying the markets, but has ruined the value of many people's homes and left millions with mortgages they can't pay, was also the outcome of the deregulation created by these men. The very predictable outcome. When taxpayers are left holding the bag for $1 trillion this time around, it's hard to believe it's any sort of accident.
It's bad enough if John McCain didn't know that. It's far worse if he did.
36011. concerned - 9/22/2008 11:00:56 PM
Re. 35984 -
Wombat -
There were several videos and they all contained lies and serious distortions regarding Sarah Palin that would not stand the light of scrutiny, which is why the 0bama campaign ran the biggest smear campaign since Joseph Goebbels was alive via the internet.
You have convinced me that you have no ethical or moral sense, and very little intelligence, Wombat. You're not even smart enough to find anything to criticize about your own party. That's pretty fucking stupid.
36012. concerned - 9/22/2008 11:04:01 PM
Con'd, the Republicans are responsible for the most monumental financial failure in American history since the last one they caused. Say what you want. You'd better pray Obama wins, or we're all toast.
Read the IBD article I posted. Then, if you're honest, you won't waste my time with any more bullshit about the Republicans being responsible for the current economic mess we are in. It's your party, the Democrat Party, that is is almost totally responsible. There is simply no other rational way to interpret what has happened.
36013. concerned - 9/22/2008 11:08:33 PM
Buying Friends In High Places
Over the span of his career, Obama ranks No. 2 in campaign donations from Fannie and Freddie, taking over $125,000. Dodd, head of the Senate Banking panel, is tops at $165,000. Clinton, ranked 12th, has collected $75,000.
Meanwhile, Freddie and Fannie opened what were euphemistically called "Partnership Offices" in the districts of key members of Congress to channel millions of dollars in funding and patronage to their supporters.
In the space of a little more than a decade, Fannie and Freddie spent close to $150 million on lobbying efforts. So pervasive were their efforts, they seemed unassailable, even during a Republican administration.
Yet, by 2004, the crony capitalism had gone too far. Even OFHEO issued a report essentially criticizing Fannie and Freddie for Enron-style accounting that let them boost profits in order to pay their politically well-connected executives hefty bonuses.
It emerged that Clinton aide Raines, who took Fannie Mae's helm as CEO in 1999, took in nearly $100 million by the time he left in 2005. Others, including former Clinton Justice Department official Gorelick, took $75 million from the Fannie-Freddie piggy bank.
Even so, Fannie and Freddie were forced to restate their earnings by some $3.5 billion, due to the accounting shenanigans.
As we noted, those who tried to halt this frenzy of activity found themselves hit by a political buzz saw.
President Bush, reviled and criticized by Democrats, tried no fewer than 17 times, by White House count, to raise the issue of Fannie-Freddie reform. A bill cleared the Senate Banking panel in 2005, but stalled due to implacable opposition from Democrats and a critical core of GOP abettors. Rep. Barney Frank, who now runs the powerful House Financial Services Committee, helped spearhead that fight.
Now, with the taxpayer tab approaching $1 trillion or more, we're learning the costs of crony capitalism.
36014. concerned - 9/22/2008 11:16:39 PM
iiibbb completely fails to recognize the predominant Democrat role in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac disaster.
He is reduced to pointing his finger at two or three pieces of legislation dating back as much as 25 years or more, and making the ridiculous pretense that there is nothing more to the matter than that.
That's a criminally weak defense of the Democrat Party's criminal malfeasance regarding the subprime mortgage situation which is the issue at hand.
36015. concerned - 9/22/2008 11:19:34 PM
iiibbb completely fails to recognize the predominant Democrat role in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac disaster.
He is reduced to pointing his finger at two or three pieces of legislation dating back as much as 25 years or more, and making the ridiculous pretense that there is nothing more to the matter than that.
iiibbb is at least too ashamed to mention that the garbage he cut and pasted was from the Daily Kos, one of the most one sided, blindly partisan, dishonest Left Wing sites in existence. The Daily Kos marketed some of the most indefensible lies and smears against Sarah Palin, in partnership with the 0bama campaign.
That's a criminally weak defense of the Democrat Party's criminal malfeasance regarding the subprime mortgage situation which is the issue at hand.
36016. concerned - 9/22/2008 11:21:25 PM
Anyone who believes that my IBD post is not orders of magnitude more correct and on subject than the Daily Kos post is lost in LW lunatic land.
36017. wonkers2 - 9/23/2008 5:04:40 AM
"IBD doesn't have a political axe to grind." you gotta' be kidding! It's has the most right wing crapola editorial page of any paper I've seen outside of the Daily Worker. iiibbb is clearly on the right track. You are correct that Fannie and Freddie was not a paragon under Clinton and even before. They corrupted both parties and are now getting what they deserved... Well, almost. They all walked away with a bundle. Raines should have gone to jail from what I recall.
36018. iiibbb - 9/23/2008 5:33:21 AM
My track is just to post something the opposite of what Conc'd posted.
The blame honestly goes to both parties. Some are more culpable than others. But at the end of the day, the Republicans had control of the full gov't Executive, Congress, and Judicial... for 6 years. In that time, rather than tackle problems like this (which seem to be so obvious in McCains mind that they should've if they're so smart), they elected to go after gay marriage for points.
That 6 years why I hold the Republicans responsible. They only thing they did right was get that Heller decision through the Surpreme court so that I have something to hang my gun rights hat on this election.
I hate myself for it, but I am a punitive soul.
36019. iiibbb - 9/23/2008 5:34:38 AM
I'm also still mad about the war that's cost us 2 trillion... money that would've covered this mess.
There had to have been a better way to fight terror if WMD's were never in Iraq.
36020. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:20:22 AM
The guy John McCain has chosen to manage his presidential transition was lobbying for Freddie Mac until this month.
And from McCain ...
36021. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:23:31 AM
When I look over the roster of McCain campaign officials, it looks like my staff of lobbyists - Head of Freddie Mac Lobbying Dept
Should
There are 23 of them including the campaign manager who pulled down $2 million
36022. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:24:34 AM
Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- The lobbying firm of the man Republicans say John McCain has chosen to begin planning a presidential transition earned more than a quarter of a million dollars this year representing Freddie Mac, one of the companies McCain blames for the nation's financial crisis.
Timmons & Co., whose founder and chairman emeritus is William Timmons Sr., was registered to lobby for Freddie Mac from 2000 through this month, when the federal government took over both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
36023. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:31:21 AM
McBush's lobbyists have been working furiously to secure a blank check for Paulson and, hopefully, Phil Gramm whose deregulation bill which McStain voted FOR is at the root of the greatest financial collapse since 1929
36024. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:34:31 AM
The Republicans who controlled Congress between 1995-2007 created the deregulation that allowed this to happen and the President for the last 8 years made sure he didn't check the excesses
That's what happens when you put ideologues who's primary article of faith is "government isn't part of the solution, government is the problem" in charge of running the government
9/11
The Iraq War
Katrina
THe George Herbert Hoover McBush Crash of 2008
36025. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:37:31 AM
You can imagine how much worse it will be if a Senile Republican is elected
George F. Will: "McCain loses his head"
36026. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:39:29 AM
36027. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:42:50 AM
36028. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:44:43 AM
Jonathan Alter's with I3
Keating 5 all over again
36029. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:50:21 AM
Looks like Socialism to George Will. If the Government controls capital, by definition, it controls "the means of production"
36030. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:52:08 AM
George Will agrees with me
Unfit for command
The old bag is senile
36031. jexster - 9/23/2008 8:55:38 AM
It’s financial socialism, and it’s un-American,” said Senator Jim Bunning,
Goddamn right!
36032. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:08:05 AM
Gee Wiz Concerned, they are all Republicans!
Learn something new everyday don't you
From left, Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr., Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission Christopher Cox and Director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency James Lockhart III.
36033. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:14:42 AM
McStain Taps Fannie Mae Lobbyist to Head Transition
Timmons is a "Washington Institution"
(Time - SEPTEMBER 12, 2008)
36034. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:16:46 AM
iiibbb completely fails to recognize the predominant Democrat role in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac disaster.
He is reduced to pointing his finger at two or three pieces of legislation dating back as much as 25 years or more, and making the ridiculous pretense that there is nothing more to the matter than that.
Actually 2008-1999 = 9 years using my fingers
36035. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:18:36 AM
Concerned...
No brain, no pain
No brain, no shame
36036. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:19:54 AM
Sen. Obama is saying his spending programs may have to be delayed in light of the massive bailout bill. A few questions though, What about McCain's high income tax cuts that would go to the CEOs who created the mess? Any word on that?
36037. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:24:56 AM
The Crash "will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down"
Like those with 13 cars and 8 homes or 5 yachts
36038. concerned - 9/23/2008 9:28:25 AM
I'm sorry, but anybody who references the Daily Kos, noted for smearing Sarah Palin with lies about her children and all around far Left insanity, for financial analysis, particularly regarding the subprime mortgage meltdown is either stupid, ignorant, an irredeemable partisan hack or some combination of all three.
36039. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:30:08 AM
36040. concerned - 9/23/2008 9:30:54 AM
re. 36035 -
It's Democrat partisan hacks who think like rejexst that cannot be trusted with the nation's laws and finances. The Democrats have given us a sneak preview of what a Hussein 0bama administration would do to us with their subprime mortgage meltdown.
36041. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:31:54 AM
The Wall Street Journal touches on the Keating Five scandal and suggests that McCain may have to answer to it after all:
36042. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:33:58 AM
Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.
George Democratic Hack Will
36043. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:34:44 AM
From Keating to the Krash
McStain's Pattern of Privatization
36044. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:39:10 AM
Funny isn't it that McStain decided to attack Obama for Fannie Mae connections which do not exist but a few days before, named one of Fannie's top lobbyists to head his transition team
36045. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:39:57 AM
Fucking senile old liar who betrayed his country more than a few times over his "career" ..from BIRTH on the government payroll
36046. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:41:53 AM
Let's not forget the Campaign Manager lobbyist who supervised the attacks
Paid 2,000,000 by the very interests he's attacking not for any work he did but for his connections to John McStain
36047. jexster - 9/23/2008 9:58:12 AM
One playing like a pro
The other like he is in a league too high
36048. jexster - 9/23/2008 10:01:30 AM
George Will and Jexie say Forget simpleton sister Sarah, it is john mcsame who unfit for office
36049. jexster - 9/23/2008 10:17:31 AM
IF you don't count McBush's war on Pakistan, the count is 6 wars, 6 defeats.
Foreign policy debate Friday and Most Americans think US is losing "war" on terror
36050. jexster - 9/23/2008 10:42:44 AM
WE WANT BUSH!!!
36051. jexster - 9/23/2008 10:47:45 AM
Media Rebels Over Phony Palin Photo Ops
36052. jexster - 9/23/2008 10:50:19 AM
In August, Obama Donations Shatter Records
By Michael Luo
Senator Barack Obama collected more than $13.7 million in the last four days of August, during a record-shattering month of fund-raising. Donations spiked the day after Mr. Obama accepted the Democratic nomination when Gov. Sarah Palin was named to the Republican ticket, new filings with the Federal Election Commission show.
The closing surge of donations, with Mr. Obama topping $4.7 million on Aug. 29, when Ms. Palin’s selection was announced, and $3.8 million the following day, helped him raise $65 million in August.
The Obama campaign had already announced its August fund-raising haul, which is more than any other presidential candidate in history, but its official filing with the Federal Elections Commission offered the first detailed glimpse at how he did it.
The filing, however, only furnishes a partial picture because the campaign does not have to itemize contributions below $200 for the election cycle.
Mr. Obama received more than $22 million in unitemized contributions, so it is likely that his totals at the end of the month were considerably more than what was revealed in his filing.
36053. jexster - 9/23/2008 10:51:27 AM
22 million in contributions less than 200 bucks..that's about 1/2 of McStain's entire haul from corporations and their lobbyists
36054. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:03:19 AM
Thoughtful rocks my world:
36055. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:20:40 AM
Steve Schmidt on the NYT:
Let me first say we are First Amendment absolutists on this campaign. The press and anybody who wishes to cover this race from a blogosphere perspective or from a media perspective is of course constitutionally protected with regard to writing whatever they want to write.
But let's be clear and be honest with each other about something fundamental to this race, which is this: Whatever the New York Times once was, it is today not by any standard a journalistic organization. It is a pro-Obama advocacy organization that every day attacks the McCain campaign, attacks Sen. McCain, attacks Gov. Palin, and excuses Sen. Obama. There is no level of public vetting with regard to Sen. Obama's record, his background, his past statements. There is no level of outrage directed at his deceitful ads. This is an organization that is completely, totally, 150 percent in the tank for the Democratic candidate, which is their prerogative to be, but let's not be dishonest and call it something other than what it is. Everything that is read in the New York Times that attacks this campaign should be evaluated by the American people from that perspective, that it is an organization that has made a decision to cast aside its journalistic integrity and tradition to advocate for the defeat of one candidate, in this case John McCain, and advocate for the election of the other candidate, Barack Obama.
36056. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:21:13 AM
The Miracle Cure of Deregulation that McStain endorsed just last Friday....
For your HEALTH CARE!
European financial institutions are at risk of sharp losses because of the toxic US securitised products sold to
them; the massive increase in leverage following aggressive risk-taking and domestic securitisation;
Nothing like poison for the sick
36057. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:22:45 AM
That's real great Concerned.
The McWhiners have decided to attack the New York times but as I linked yesterday, have cited the paper in no fewer than SIXTY SIX campaign attack emails
This time, that shit don't flush
36058. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:23:05 AM
Pre-senile dementia?
What's with Biden's talking about FDR going on TV in 1929?
Sarah Palin's the answer.
36059. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:23:28 AM
36060. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:25:04 AM
jexster -
Still spouting your worthless bullshit?
How good are Democrats at economics? They gave us the subprime mortgage crisis with their crony socialism.
36061. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:25:19 AM
CNN Threatens To Pull Plug on Palin
36062. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:28:33 AM
The Politico smelled that latest turd yesterday
36063. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:31:59 AM
Hussein 0bama, the idiot, finally realized that his pipe dream economic plan has gone up in smoke, thanks to his Democrat asshole buddies who brought us the subprime mortgage crisis.
When it comes to waffles, Hussein 0bama wrote the book, got the patent and cornered the market. From Hotair.com:
Obama backtracking on wide range of policyposted at 12:30 pm on September 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Send to a Friend | printer-friendly Why flip-flop on specific policies one at a time, when a candidate can do so much more efficiently by calling a general retreat? Less than 48 hours after telling CNBC that his health-insurance plan was fully funded and would not get affected by a massive government bailout of the credit markets, Obama has reversed himself and put his expensive federal programs on hold. He also criticized his own running mate on the Today show this morning:
36064. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:32:18 AM
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said in an interview aired Tuesday that the cost of the mortgage bailout plan may rein in his ambitious plans for health care, energy, education and infrastructure.
Obama’s comments reflect the possible new constraints on the next president’s ability to expand or start programs or cut taxes. The government financial interventions of the past two weeks could cost more than $1 trillion.
Obama told NBC’s Matt Lauer on the “Today” show that he doesn’t expect the mortgage plan to cost the full $700 billion right away, and all the money won’t be lost.
“Does that mean that I can do everything that I’ve called for in this campaign right away?” Obama said. “Probably not. I think we’re going to have to phase it in. And a lot of it’s going to depend on what our tax revenues look like.”
Now Obama wants us to forget the massive spending that he proposed because the Treasury bailout will pre-empt it. Okay, fair enough. But even before the credit market meltdown, we faced (and still face) an entitlement program meltdown of even larger dimensions. Neither candidate has adequately addressed that, but at least John McCain acknowledges its existence and its size. Obama has campaigned on adding to that burden without the least thought of reform, at least until he belatedly realized that the money simply doesn’t exist now, and it never really did.
36065. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:32:42 AM
The most amazing part of this is that he reached this conclusion not at the start of the current meltdown, but more than a week later. The general parameters of the bailout were widely known on Friday afternoon. Sunday morning, Obama tells John Harwood that it won’t affect his big-spending policies, since they’re “paid for”, in his words. By Tuesday morning, Obama’s hitting reverse. What happened to all that funding? Obama realized that the meltdown will rock the economy, and all of those soak-the-rich tax increases will produce little or no revenue — and imposing them will worsen an economy threatening to go into shock.
That led to Obama’s criticism of his running mate, less than 24 hours after Biden criticized Obama. Obama slammed McCain for initially opposing the bailout and then changing his mind, arguing that McCain should have waited for all of the information to come to him before taking a public position. Matt Lauer then pointed out that Joe Biden had done exactly the same thing:
But Lauer pointed out that Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), had initially said the same thing – on “Today,” no less.
“I think that in that situation, I think Joe should have waited, as well,” Obama said.
It’s very rare for one ticket mate to publicly second-guess the other. But on the “CBS Evening News” on Monday, Biden had chastised his own campaign for a TV ad portraying McCain as a computer illiterate. Biden backed off his criticism of the ad in a statement the campaign released three hours later.
Obama appears to be seriously adrift. Circumstances have forced him out of the entire range of his domestic policies, including a middle-class tax cut, while the two Democrats seem more at war with each other than with Republicans. What argument does he have left for the Presidency — his deep executive and foreign-policy experience?
36066. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:34:39 AM
Why flip-flop on specific policies one at a time, when a candidate can do so much more efficiently by calling a general retreat? Less than 48 hours after telling CNBC that his health-insurance plan was fully funded and would not get affected by a massive government bailout of the credit markets, Obama has reversed himself and put his expensive federal programs on hold.
I don't think they make them any dumber than this. You really picked the shit end of the stick this time, rejexst.
36067. concerned - 9/23/2008 11:35:43 AM
The Hussein 0bama moronathon, featuring the usual Democrat airheaded idiots.
36068. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:43:49 AM
Wonder why he did that Concerned?
Do you have any idea?
36069. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:46:03 AM
Repost from Sunday
36070. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:47:07 AM
Repost from yesterday
36071. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:50:27 AM
Repost from this morning
McCain Loses His Head
By George F. Will
Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.
George Herbert Hoover Bush, the worst president in US history, was the GOP's FIRST choice in 2000
36072. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:51:45 AM
In 2001, the Republicans stole our lock box
Now they want us to give them $1 trillion as a parting gift
36073. jexster - 9/23/2008 11:56:19 AM
Doesn't know where Spain is
Named as his transition chief, Fannie Mae's TOP lobbyist..11 days ago
David's right
He's lucky if he can remember how to tie his shoes
36074. jexster - 9/23/2008 12:09:48 PM
On this I am sure ConJob and I are in 100% agreement
Facing our worst financial crisis since the Big One, our nation needs to hear from Our Leader
Prime time speech to the Nation..tell us why we have to give you a trillion bucks and turn the Good Ole USA into a socialist state
SPEECH! SPEECH!
36075. jexster - 9/23/2008 12:12:26 PM
36055
Joe Klein on Steve Schmidt
36076. concerned - 9/23/2008 1:09:45 PM
I think that it is illegal for one campaign to try to disrupt the events of opposing campaigns. But here are the Hussein 0bama Brownshirts doing exactly that.
36077. thoughtful - 9/23/2008 1:14:26 PM
Wow, con'd...so glad you agree that the gop phone jamming scandal was illegal.
36078. concerned - 9/23/2008 1:20:45 PM
We're talking about two different things. Plus, that was localized to one state. This is, as you can see, featured on the Hussein 0bama campaign website, which is very much more serious.
So, are you looking forward to some indictments and convictions of 0bama campaign staffers, or just hoping they'll get another free pass for breaking the law, justice be damned? I'm betting on the latter.
36079. concerned - 9/23/2008 1:22:39 PM
IMO, Hussein 0bama, besides breaking the law, is trying to incite civil disturbances at Republican campaign stops. I'm surprised that you support such fascist techniques, 'thoughtful'.
36080. Wombat - 9/23/2008 2:07:54 PM
Yes, because organized supporters of the other candidate never, ever appear at a candidate's rallies, and the political parties never ever organize such actions. Get a grip, Concerned. You protest way too much.
36081. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:10:13 PM
In Remarks On Bailout, Obama Sharpens Up Attacks On Bush, CEOs
36082. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:11:00 PM
Gee ..TD discovered Mybo
36083. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:11:36 PM
John McStain - Fundamental Deregulator
36084. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:12:42 PM
This is, as you can see, featured on the Hussein 0bama campaign website, which is very much more serious.
So, are you looking forward to some indictments and convictions of 0bama campaign staffers, or just hoping they'll get another free pass for breaking the law, justice be damned? I'm betting on the latter.
Fucking idiot
36085. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:18:47 PM
Anyone can set up an event.
It is self-policing
The event that ConJob is blathering about was slated for Monday Sept 22.
Here are the current events in and around Media PA
36086. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:19:28 PM
We can all understand why ConJob would like to discuss anything real
36087. thoughtful - 9/23/2008 2:19:33 PM
concerned, are you for real? Or is it that you just don't know when you are being duped by your own goper machine.
Take a look at the website address on the page you posted.
Note that the official obama campaign website is:
http://www.barackobama.com/index.php
try plugging the url in your pic into the net and you'll see no such page exists.
You really need to do more than just keep aping rush.
you do realize that he's an entertainer, yes?
Oh wait, you'll probably say they pulled it once they were called on it. A conspiracy around every corner, eh? Well maybe you ought to spend more time looking in your own back yard.
36088. thoughtful - 9/23/2008 2:22:26 PM
Now wombat, you've forgotten iokiyar....
dems gather, it's inciting civil disturbance
gopers gather, it's exercising their constitutional rights to free speech
iokiyar
36089. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:22:47 PM
If you do a Yahoo News search ...nothing
36090. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:23:56 PM
They probably have a mybo account, as I do
Created an event, as I could
Took a screenshot ...and then either they or the campaign took it down
36091. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:25:15 PM
Anyone have ConJob's address??
Pls email
Trick or Treat
TP for Obama
10/31/08
10 pm til
36092. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:26:53 PM
and for that CONCERNED BLEW THE MARGINS
WAAAAAAAAAAAAABITTTTTTTTTTTTT!
36093. thoughtful - 9/23/2008 2:28:43 PM
GOPers lie like nobody's business.
via krugman.
Paulson's testimony today:
We gave you a simple, three-page legislative outline and I thought it would have been presumptuous for us on that outline to come up with an oversight mechanism. That’s the role of Congress, that’s something we’re going to work on together. So if any of you felt that I didn’t believe that we needed oversight: I believe we need oversight. We need oversight.
Text of the legislative outline:
Sec. 8. Review.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.
How do these guys sleep at night???
36094. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:30:15 PM
Looks like the Great GOP Taxpayer Swindle is DOA
36095. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:31:36 PM
I think George Herbert Hoover McBush should address the Nation...ConJob would be blowing the margins for a month but it would be worth it
36096. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:31:51 PM
Let's get rid of the garbage
36097. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:31:59 PM
There
36098. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:33:00 PM
ConJob's real world address gets you an Obama Event inside 60 seconds
36099. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:37:19 PM
Why I just got another EVENT via Mybo in my email
ConJob should be fined ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS so I can attend in the style to which I am accustomed
36100. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:48:23 PM
36101. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:55:22 PM
By Double Digits Obama Best Suited to Deal with McBush Crash 2008
Pew Poll
36102. judithathome - 9/23/2008 2:56:05 PM
Because he listened to Grover Norquist and didn't understand what he was saying but couldn't pronounce Grover's last name so he just sat back and let it roll.
36103. jexster - 9/23/2008 2:56:49 PM
You Texans are responsible for this
36104. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:10:57 PM
What a joke
36105. arkymalarky - 9/23/2008 3:15:50 PM
What do y'all think congress should do wrt the bailout bill?
36106. arkymalarky - 9/23/2008 3:16:10 PM
I mean specifically, not pass or reject.
36107. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:25:54 PM
REJECT IT...Kill that sucker
Paulson’s plan was not a true solution to the crisis
By Martin Wolf Financial Times
....
What then do I conclude? Yes, there may well be a place for intervention in the market for toxic securities. But this is a costly and ineffective way of meeting today’s deepest challenge. What is needed, still more, is a clear and effective way of deleveraging and recapitalising the financial sector, ideally without using taxpayer funds. If such funds are to be used, they must also be injected in as carefully targeted and controlled a way as possible. Comprehensive action is essential, as Mr Paulson has decided. But let the US take the time to make that comprehensive action right.
*Why Paulson is wrong, www.chicagogsb.edu/igm
martin.wolf@ft.com
36108. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:31:30 PM
Call a special session after November 1 for starters
Financial Times Link
My personal preference..repeatedly stated...Let em fail...stop Republican Naitonal Socialism NOW
Let America see and feel the consequences of Republican War Party greed and lies...
36109. anomie - 9/23/2008 3:31:55 PM
Arky, I don't think Congress should do anything yet except have hearings and bring some facts to light. Losing money inthe market and in uninsured accounts is one way for the rich to lose some of the free money they've made on the backs of working folks through tax cuts and other unregulated business practices and nvestment. Unfortunately it rains on the just along with the unjust, so I think Congress should use a big portion of the 700 Billion to prop up things like private pensions, and individual insurance accounts.
36110. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:41:10 PM
Next thing I'd do is get a map. Find Spain. Invade the suckers and kill every member of the International Spanish Finance Cabal
36111. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:41:55 PM
Then I'd cross the Pyrenees and head to AC's house in time for late dinner
36112. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:45:37 PM
I just heard two of the usual hucksters on Hardball and I switched to the Beverly Hillbillies
One blowhard from CNBC and the other from WaPo Business..these same assholes who've been pumping this bubble of bullshit up our collective asses for the last 20 years forecasting dire consequences - imminent collapse of credit markets....no car loans, no small business loans, cancelled credit cards
The LAST people I'd listen to
So I watched the Clampets
36113. arkymalarky - 9/23/2008 3:54:37 PM
I wonder about retirement plans. They should make sure they're protected first.
36114. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:57:57 PM
I'd liquidate 7 of McCain's 8 houses and 11 of his 13 autombiles..all of The Wonkers Family Sailing Fleet...send the balance due to The Bush Family and every registered Republican....sell Texas to Mexico at fire sale price
36115. jexster - 9/23/2008 3:58:32 PM
The FT guy says make Wall St pay..not a penny of taxpayer money
36116. robertjayb - 9/23/2008 4:03:28 PM
Quote without comment:
We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself."
-- The 2008 Republican Party Platform, adopted earlier this month.
(via Political Wire)
36117. concerned - 9/23/2008 4:05:55 PM
From USN&WR blog, Barney Frank tells rejexst and iiibbb to eat shit and die - he admits he fucked it up with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Get that iiibbb and rejexst - BF says you need to ESAD, now!
Barney Frank 'Fesses Up on Financial Crisis
Over the past few weeks I've been skeptical of claims by Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, that he's been a consistent and leading voice for reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two government-sponsored home-lending giants whose fall is the immediate cause of the current financial turmoil. The Massachusetts Democrat and I went at it here and here and here. Now, finally, Frank acknowledges that he dismissed ample warnings about Fannie and Freddie shenanigans five years ago.
Here's an exchange with CNN's John Roberts yesterday:
ROBERTS: Congressman, you know, a lot—big question that people asking is, how do we get to this point here. And minority leader John Boehner there in the House has pointed fingers at Senator Chris Dodd and you four years ago opposing reform of entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The Wall Street Journal says in the year 2000 when Representative Richard Baker proposed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform you dismissed it. New York Times reports that an administration proposal in 2003 to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was met by response from you where you said, "I do not believe that we're facing any kind of crisis." Were you responsible for the delay—
FRANK: Of course not. Can I make a point here?
ROBERTS: Yes.
FRANK: In 2000 and 2003, who was in control of Congress? The Republicans—Mr. Boehner. The Democrats were in the minority. And yes, I did not think we were facing a crisis in 2003. But that didn't mean we didn't have to have reforms. Here's the deal. ...
Of course, you can't really take the weasel out of the 'Rat - Frank's still trying to point fingers at Republicans for not holding his hand all the time, but basically he confesses to the criticisms that I set forth in the IBD article I posted yesterday.
I'll readily concede that Barney Frank is ten times the man that rejexst and iiibbb are, or the lying slimes at the Daily Kos are, for that matter but that still only makes him 3/5 of a Republican. Frank ought to resign from the House Financial Services Committee at the very least.
36118. concerned - 9/23/2008 4:08:04 PM
rjb -
Good news. You don't need to play moron shithead clown blaming Republicans for everything now. Barney Frank admits his $700 billion fuckup. Read above.
36119. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:13:22 PM
Cue Howard
36120. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:15:48 PM
The Republicans created this mess
Let em feel the pain
Don't let em off the hook
Don't bail them out
Put Bush on TV
36121. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:17:01 PM
When Republicans like Sen Demint of SC say you cannot trust the greedy incompetent liars in Republican administration, you do nothing
You let them clean up their own mess
36122. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:17:50 PM
Why did Bush ruin the country?
36123. anomie - 9/23/2008 4:19:43 PM
36117 just won't do Concerned. I heard some of this desperate crap on the radio yesterday, trying to blame Dem committee chairmen for everything. It's insane. But worse, it won't work. It's too complicated. You need a 2 or 3 word phrase (lie!) that the idiot, one-issue masses can understand. I'm sure the Repubs are working on that as we speak.
36124. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:20:20 PM
When Fannie Mae pays McStain's campaign manager 2 million bucks for access..you do nothing to help them
When McStain names Fannie Mae's top lobbyist to head his transition team..you do nothing to help them
When McStain refuses to rule as SecTreas out his best friend whose deregulation led to this disaster...you do nothing to help them
36125. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:21:09 PM
The last thing you do is pay attention to idiots like ConJob...
FINE HIM WABBIT
36126. anomie - 9/23/2008 4:21:27 PM
"All those pro-abortionist liberals caused the financial collapse" Nope. Too many words.
36127. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:22:40 PM
Why did Bush ruin the country?
Put his ass on TV
36128. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:25:19 PM
And you DO NOT give a fucking DIME to Phil Gramm's UBS Swiss Bankers
36129. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:27:44 PM
Thankfully Barney Frank and Chris Dodd seem to have grown half a spine ..enough to stop the Republican Wall St RipOff
36130. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:31:49 PM
Alaska Republicans Moving to Open Revolt Against McStain-Palin Obstruction of TrooperGate
36131. jexster - 9/23/2008 4:34:37 PM
We begin to clean up Bush's mess on 11/5
It will take years
36132. jexster - 9/23/2008 5:26:13 PM
AMEN Brotha Luigi (Chicago Business Schoo)
Time to Stop Republican War Party National Socialism
36133. jexster - 9/23/2008 5:31:00 PM
First Fear, Then Loathing, Toward Wall Street
Crisis sparks anger over executive salaries, lax regulation.
Three decades of greedy, incompetent, corrupt Republican governance
Let em fail
36134. iiibbb - 9/23/2008 5:53:42 PM
Nice spoof
Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:08 PM
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
To: XXXXXXXX453@gmail.com
Dear Sir or Madam,
I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.
I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion USD. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.
I am working with Mr. Phil Gramm, lobbyist for UBS, who (God willing) will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a former U.S. congressional leader and the architect of the PALIN / McCain Financial Doctrine, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. As such, you can be assured that this transaction is 100% safe.
This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.
Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.
Yours Faithfully,
Minister of Treasury Paulson
36135. jexster - 9/23/2008 5:57:59 PM
The New York Times......
September 24, 2008
McCain Aide’s Firm Was Paid by Freddie Mac
WASHINGTON-- One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said.
36136. jexster - 9/23/2008 5:58:42 PM
ConJob ..FINE HIM WABBIT for excessive use of server space with lies and total bullshit
36137. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:03:05 PM
As president of the Homeownership Alliance, Mr. Davis got $30,000 to $35,000 a month. Mr. Davis, along with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, have characterized the alliance as a coalition of many housing industry and consumer groups to promote homeownership, but numerous current and former officials at both companies say the two mortgage companies created and bankrolled the operation to combat efforts by competitors to rein in their business. They dissolved the group at the end of 2005 as part of cost-cutting in the wake of accounting scandals and, at Freddie Mac, a lobbying scandal that forced out its former top Republican lobbyist.
36138. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:06:04 PM
That lying old scumbag has sold out for the last time
36139. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:07:43 PM
Freddie paid the head of McStain's "transition team" (fat chance now) a quarter million dollars
36140. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:14:50 PM
George Will says McSame's unfit to be president...Good enough for me
36141. magoseph - 9/23/2008 6:29:11 PM
Pew Research Center
23 Sep 08
With public interest in the economy at a 20-year high, by a margin of almost two-to-one Americans think the government is doing the right thing in investing billions of dollars to try to keep financial institutions and markets secure.
36142. arkymalarky - 9/23/2008 6:30:50 PM
I love it, 3i!
36143. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:32:22 PM
Wait a week Mago
36144. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:33:06 PM
And keep away from sharp objects you and that other pluotcrat..the one with the fleet of yachts
36145. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:34:33 PM
I just got an email alert from the Reds at ANSWER...
The Mortgage Bankers are coming to SF for their duck and goose soiree in mid-Oct
I gotta figure out where to get pig's blood
36146. jexster - 9/23/2008 6:46:33 PM
The question whose answer may well sink any fast bailout. You can almost feel the Anger Rising
That Pew poll was taken in the first days of the Bush Bums Rush
Congreff is obviously getting an earful from constituents.
Robert Reich: But Will It Work?
Bailing out Wall Street's bad debts when millions more Americans can't pay their bills is like bailing out a rowboat springing more leaks while the ocean is rising. Many of the average taxpayers being asked to take on Wall Street's bad loans are the same people whose incomes are dropping, which means they're struggling to pay their debts and potentially creating even more bad loans.
36147. jexster - 9/23/2008 7:11:46 PM
36148. jexster - 9/23/2008 7:14:33 PM
Off with Dick's Head
House GOP rises up against Cheney
36149. jexster - 9/23/2008 7:22:07 PM
The FBI has launched an investigation into McStain-bush's Wall St cronies
Watch those poll numbers plummet PLUTOCRATS!
36150. jexster - 9/23/2008 7:24:57 PM
Bought and Paid by Freddie Mac
36151. jexster - 9/23/2008 7:32:46 PM
36152. jexster - 9/23/2008 7:42:10 PM
I’ve been pointing out that the dictatorial powers Paulson has sought would accrue to the next Treasury secretary, who might well be Phil Gramm. I’ve been trying to come up with a liberal-leaning name who might seem equally horrifying to Republicans, and the only one I’ve come up with is … me.
Paul Krugman
36153. robertjayb - 9/23/2008 8:23:39 PM
The post turtle tale belongs to the big dog.
He told it about the same time as the yarn about the advantage of taking a sick dog to a combination veterinarian/taxidermist: you always get your dog back.
36154. magoseph - 9/24/2008 3:16:48 AM
Democrats widen lead in battle for Congress
From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser
Posted: 08:15 PM ET
From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Call it the overlooked election. An intense battle is going on right now for control of Congress, but it's overshadowed in the media by a historic race for the White House.
So which party has the upper hand in the fight for Capitol Hill?
The answer, according to a new national poll, appears to be the Democrats. In a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Tuesday, 56 percent of those questioned are backing the Democratic candidate for Congress, while 42 percent support the Republicans.
That's a change from immediately after the GOP convention, when the Democrats had only a 3-point lead lead over the Republicans, 49 percent to 46 percent.
"The change may simply be due to the convention bounce fading for local Republicans," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "We've seen evidence that the bounce for John McCain and Sarah Palin was not a permanent change in the horse race. Since the Dems have had a double-digit lead in the so-called 'generic ballot' question throughout the year, it's possible that the current numbers are just reverting back to normal levels for 2008."
The "generic ballot" question asked voters to choose between an unnamed Democratic candidate versus an unnamed Republican in the House race in their district. In reality, people vote for specific candidates in the 435 separate district elections for the House of Representatives.
The poll also indicates that most people don't think Congress is doing a good job at all. Only 22 percent approve of how Congress is handling its job, with 78 percent disapproving. The Democrats who currently control both houses of Congress fare better. Forty-four percent of those polled approve of how Democratic congressional leaders are doing their job, up 8 percentage points from July. Fifty-four percent of those polled disapprove.
The Democrats currently control 235 seats in the House to the Republicans 199, with one seat vacant. The Senate is split 49 to 49, with two independents. But both of those independent senators caucus with the Democrats, giving the party the majority in the Senate.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was taken Friday through sunday, with 1,020 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The poll's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points for the overall sample, and plus or minus 4.5 percentage points for the questions on how Congress and its leaders are
handling their jobs.
36155. thoughtful - 9/24/2008 8:12:25 AM
iokiyar
The WSJ has been hammering freddie and fannie viciously for years with such vigor that they completely missed the looming disaster in the housing market, most of which occurred outside of the govt regulated sector. So now that the dems have barely controlled congress for the last 18 mos, they want to blame the entire mess on barney frank. How does this make any sense?
Well "Frannie" are regulated by hud which is under the pervue of the president and he's republican so he can't be blamed, hud is republican so they can't be blamed and prior to this last stint congress was controlled by the gop so they can't be blamed. IOKIYAR is the only thing that makes any sense at all.
Oh, the elimination of glass-steagall which rests on grahm's shoulders as he was a chief proponent and who is a chief adviser to mccain can't be blamed as he's a republican.
No, let's pick on the boisterous gay democrat instead...it MUST be his fault!
36156. David Ehrenstein - 9/24/2008 8:26:08 AM
Latest FaBlog: Albert Brooks Explains It All To You.
36157. jexster - 9/24/2008 8:58:49 AM
Buying McCain/Davis on Layaway
36158. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:16:40 AM
Economic Fears Give Obama Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll
36159. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:19:58 AM
Robert McCarson, a former spokesman for Fannie Mae, criticized the McCain campaign's attack on Obama, given the five years of payments to Davis.
"It's either idiocy or hubris" on the McCain campaign's part, McCarson, a Democrat, said in an interview.
or senility or deceit
Freddie Bought McStain/Davis
36160. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:22:47 AM
The poll found that, among likely voters, Obama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percent. Two weeks ago, in the days immediately following the Republican National Convention, the race was essentially even, with McCain at 49 percent and Obama at 47 percent.
As a point of comparison, neither of the last two Democratic nominees -- John F. Kerry in 2004 or Al Gore in 2000 -- recorded support above 50 percent in a pre-election poll by the Post and ABC News.
36161. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:25:14 AM
Like I said yesterday...Look for support for the Great GOP Wall ST Rip Off to fade fast in the polls
Forty-seven percent said they approve of the steps taken by the Treasury and the Federal Reserve to stabilize the financial markets, while 42 percent said they disapprove
Let em fail
36162. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:35:16 AM
NyT:
36163. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:37:11 AM
If all those bright, innovative folks can't get their tits out of the wringer what makes us think Phil Gramm and the McStain boys can?
36164. concerned - 9/24/2008 9:37:27 AM
Two Texas men indicted in plan to disrupt RNC
A federal indictment accuses the suspects of having weapons to be used against police during convention protests. "It's worth it if an officer gets burned or maimed," one of the suspects allegedly said.
Hussein 0bama Brownshirts at work. How come this isn't in the national news?
36165. concerned - 9/24/2008 9:39:00 AM
Regarding Barney Fife...er, Frank's Seven Hundred Billion Dollar Fuckup, the American Voter wants to know what the Democrats have done with $700 Billion of their money.
36166. concerned - 9/24/2008 9:40:36 AM
The $700 Billion Democrat fuckup - it's bigger than Iraq and ten times as stupid.
36167. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:41:02 AM
This is SCARY
George Will has made good sense to me two columns in a row.
Lemmings In Reverse
Will: Government speed shouldn't vary inversely with its information.
You see the Policy Window for the Bailout is nearly shut. They don't have enough time to pull this off even working 24/7 because public support will or has already evaporated
36168. jexster - 9/24/2008 9:46:42 AM
The Bush Doctrine (Restated)
36169. concerned - 9/24/2008 10:18:22 AM
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 has nothing to do with the home mortgage industry - it was passed to allow commercial and investment banks to consolidate and offer investment and insurance as well as banking services. That's all.
Democrat led legislation from 1977, the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was further modified in 1995, largely due to Clinton administration pressure. Clinton's changes were very controversial from the start due to the increased risk it caused the mortgage industry in the way it substantially increased the number and aggregate amount of loans to small businesses and to low-and moderate-income borrowers for home loans.
The CRA contributed greatly to the current subprime mortgage crisis, which the GLBA could not have possibly done being that the GLBA only had a peripheral relationship to the mortgage industry as a whole.
36170. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:25:49 AM
He is the reason we cannot value the toxic assets. Those are mortgage backed assets not mortgages. These instruments..thank you Phil Gramm
McStain Economic Guru at Heart of Subprime Crisis
The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil.
36171. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:26:59 AM
DEREGULATION PHIL GRAMM, MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN-CO-CHAIR, BANK LOBBYIST
(reposted from US News)
36172. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:27:48 AM
36173. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 10:28:20 AM
It's easier to understand this way
36174. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:28:37 AM
Phil Gramm Hero of Deregulation
36175. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:29:15 AM
36176. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:31:22 AM
36177. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:32:27 AM
McStain Transition Head Lobbied for Freddie Mac Before Takeover
36178. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:36:20 AM
George Will - Thank God for Barney Fag
Before Congress codifies this, it should consult Article I, Section 1 of the Constitution: "All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." But since the federal government was transformed into a regulatory state in the 20th century, Congress has routinely delegated essentially legislative powers to the executive branch and independent agencies. This is one reason conservatives regret the growth of government: It entails supplanting the rule of law -- laws written by elected representatives -- by the rule of rules written in the executive branch.
Rep. Barney Frank, who chairs the House Financial Services Committee, says: "No one in a democracy, unelected, should have $800 billion to spend as he sees fit. . . . That's not the way to run a democracy." Frank is properly punctilious about a fundamental principle of American governance -- legislative control of public funds.
36179. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:39:59 AM
It's Really Minority Homeowners and Democrats' Fault
36180. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:44:29 AM
How soon they forget
Minority homeownership ...not only pushed for 2,000,000 by Rick Davis's Homeowners Alliance..it was a major talking point for Bush-Cheney 2004
The Bush Doctrine (Restated)
There is no education in the second kick of a mule.
George Will
36181. jexster - 9/24/2008 10:49:03 AM
Why did Bush ruin the country?
36182. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:08:10 AM
The FBI fraud investigation of Wall St has one BIG problem
There were no laws regulating the funny money investments at the heart of the George Herbert Hoover McBush Financial Crash
McCain: I’m glad I deregulated Wall Street.»
As the video clip montage yesterday featured speaker after speaker at the RNC calling for taking "a weed whacker" to government regulation.
That was 3 weeks ago
36183. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:11:07 AM
Lousiana GOP lawmaker advocates eugenics: Sterilize poor women, encourage rich to procreate.»
Sweet Home Lurziana!
36184. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:12:51 AM
36185. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:15:14 AM
Bush on TV TONIGHT!!!!
36186. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:17:00 AM
I ghost-wrote letters to the editor for the McCain campaign
I spent a morning in John McCain's Virginia campaign headquarters ghost-writing letters to the editor for McCain supporters to sign. I even pretended to have a son in Iraq.
36187. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:23:31 AM
John McCain campaign manager Rick Davis--under the spotlight because of his work for mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--is skipping a Wednesday lunch with reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.
On Tuesday, word came that McCain political director Mike DuHaime will substitute for Davis because he is "heading out on the trail" today.
Davis is the subject of stories in the New York Times and Newsweek about his work for the failed mortgage market makers. At issue right now: did Davis contradict McCain's statement that he has not been involved with Fannie and Freddie for some time.
Runnin Like a Scalded Dog
36188. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:33:52 AM
Obama adviser Warren Buffet's picking up Goldman-Sach's shares by the dump truck load
36189. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:38:13 AM
McStain Moves Campaign Manager to Undisclosed Location
36190. concerned - 9/24/2008 11:43:52 AM
Yes, it's really the Democrats' fault, and Barney Frank has confessed that he's responsible.
You're completely full of shit regarding George Bush, even more than usual. He tried over a dozen times to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, only to be obstructed by Congressional Democrats.
36191. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:45:18 AM
Yep he's confessed. What an idiot
Who do you think believes you?
36192. concerned - 9/24/2008 11:45:29 AM
Only a brain dead Democrat moron would try to blame George W. Bush for the subprime crisis.
36193. vonKreedon - 9/24/2008 11:45:44 AM
New 419 Scam, it's not just Nigerians anymore!
Dear Sirs,
I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.
I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.
I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.
This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the
funds can be transferred.
Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@... so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to
protect the funds.
Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson
36194. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:46:25 AM
A brain dead democrat and 2/3 of the American people
36195. concerned - 9/24/2008 11:47:01 AM
Yep he's confessed. What an idiot
Who do you think believes you?
Everybody who heard or read Frank confess. It's all over, rejexst. The blame is going to your party for the most massive economic crisis since the Great Depression.
36196. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:47:44 AM
GOOD ONE VK!!!
I have a GOP friend (Obamacan now) who works in Wells Fargo Executive Office (CFO)
I am always sending that spam
VIRALIZED
36197. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:52:45 AM
McCain Campaign Manger's firm being paid by Freddie Mac
Well, now we know why John McCain's campaign has been attacking the messenger particularly hard lately.
36198. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:55:27 AM
Foreclosure Phil
Is McBush Going to Bail Out McStain's Butt Buddy Phil Gramm and UBS??
Tune in this evening
36199. jexster - 9/24/2008 11:57:54 AM
Letting Sarah Palin Answer Questions Is Very, Very Dangerous
36200. concerned - 9/24/2008 11:57:59 AM
rejexst is totally ignorant and too stupid to stop advertising it.
36201. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:00:38 PM
Let em fail!!!
GOP Rep. Wamp: Bailout Is "Political Nitroglycerin"
36202. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:00:48 PM
BOOM!
36203. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:01:31 PM
36200
I even admitted it!!
BOOM!
36204. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:03:46 PM
CBO: It's Impossible to Estimate Cost of McBush Bailout
(financial times)
Why did George Herbert Hoover Bush ruin the country?
36205. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:11:33 PM
36206. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:12:44 PM
McCain Camp Whacks And Misses In Latest NYT Attack
36207. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:16:11 PM
America better hope Barack Obama is the Messiah
The mess is that big
36208. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:18:05 PM
North Korea Plans to Activate Nucular Reactor
Why did George Bush ruin the country?
36209. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:19:21 PM
McStain's pals are too big to fail
The rest of us are too small to matter
36210. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:24:36 PM
McCain Campaign Manager's Firm Paid By Freddie Mac
That Barney Fag..what a MORAN...confessing like he did
36211. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:30:48 PM
Let the Republican National War Party Fail!
36212. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:32:46 PM
36213. jexster - 9/24/2008 12:37:17 PM
If Phil Gramm and the rest of that gang of thieves is so fucking smart, let them get out of their own mess
36214. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 1:04:13 PM
McCain wants to postpone debate.
36215. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:34:27 PM
I TOLD YOU SO
2-3 days ago that McStain's lobbyists and moneybags had to leave the DoubleTalk express to take care of their Wall St Client
He's got nobody left to drive the bus and is suspending his campaign
36216. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:36:12 PM
Fuck him
Let him face the People
36217. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:39:48 PM
I what does he have to add to the crisis. The GOP platform HIS GOP platform adopted just 3 weeks ago say
NO BAILOUTS
36218. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:42:12 PM
Palin In Polling Free-Fall
I'll tell you why the gutless wonder wants to bail on the Friday Debate. He's senile and with his campaign collapsing, he can't handle a foreign policy debate
He'd fall apart
Senile old fraud..can't remember how to tie his shoes much less locate Spain on a map
36219. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:49:34 PM
Some "war hero"! NBC is about to release a poll showing a massive collapse in support for Palin. Obama's up 9 in the WaPo/ABC poll and his campaign is collapsing. McCain was a coward 35 years ago and nothing's change except that he's senile and can't find Spain on a map
36220. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:50:25 PM
Some "war hero"! NBC is about to release a poll showing a massive collapse in support for Palin. Obama's up 9 in the WaPo/ABC poll and his campaign is collapsing. McCain was a coward 35 years ago and nothing's change except that he's senile and can't find Spain on a map
36221. wonkers2 - 9/24/2008 1:51:25 PM
I wonder if McCain gave Obama a courtesy call before announcing he wants to postpone the debate? I think I know the answer.
36222. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:51:41 PM
What more DoubleTalk does he have to add?????
36223. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:52:27 PM
He sold out to the commies because he has always been a coward and a fraud
36224. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 1:53:23 PM
Not sure how people will take it.
Obama does it too and it looks like McCain is the "leader"
Obama refuses and they'll say he doesn't care.
36225. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:53:27 PM
WAR HERO!
36226. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:54:13 PM
Obama says we owe it to the American people to stand before them
36227. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:54:32 PM
Obama says a leader can do two things at once
36228. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:55:05 PM
Obama goes to Ole Miss and sits across from an empty chair
36229. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:55:15 PM
People know a cheap stunt
36230. jexster - 9/24/2008 1:59:50 PM
COWARD
36231. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:00:33 PM
At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details.
36232. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:01:05 PM
Can't he use a computer or the Blackberry he invented?
36233. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:02:39 PM
Early word is that Obama refuses to postpone the debate
Wait ... Wait
36234. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:14:16 PM
Obama's going to stand there staring at an open lectern
Stick a fork in that yellow piece of shit
36235. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:18:24 PM
If McCain can't think under pressure, why is he running for president? If he needs to cancel the debate, he should probably also cancel his campaign.
36236. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 2:19:41 PM
Why not change the topic of the debate?
36237. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:20:15 PM
Harry Reid: The Debate Must Go On
36238. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:31:49 PM
I christen thee
OLD YELLOW STAIN
36239. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:32:59 PM
Hell no
Foreign policy..it's McStain "strong suit"
43 days left...no more fucking around with stoopid politician tricks
No bailout ...let em fail
36240. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:34:29 PM
If McCain can't handle the pressure, he should quit
36241. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:36:35 PM
Old Yellow Stain
36242. concerned - 9/24/2008 2:54:29 PM
McCain has announced that he is suspending his campaign & going to Washington to work on getting the bailout to pass.
In stark contrast, Hussein 0bama is getting his first '3AM call', and it's going on his voice mail.
36243. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:56:44 PM
Obama can put the old geezer away Friday night
COME OUT OLD YELLOW STAIN
36244. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:57:31 PM
"Presidents have to deal with more than one problem at once"
Old Yellow Stain
Unfit for command
Coward from Day 1
36245. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:58:34 PM
He's tanking in the polls and he's afraid of showing the world what a senile old sack of shit he is
War hero my ass
The Commies called him their "Prince" and their "Songbird"
Coward from Day 1...a Nixon lie
36246. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:59:21 PM
Can you say "COWARD"?
STUNT?
The GOP Platform say NO BAILOUTS
36247. concerned - 9/24/2008 2:59:32 PM
Not sure how people will take it.
Bad news for you is that it will help McCain look good to most people.
The 0bama fascist brownshirts are probably planning their latest McCain smear over the bailout even as I post this.
36248. jexster - 9/24/2008 2:59:53 PM
If he can't stand the pressure, quit and leave it to Simple Sister Sarah
36249. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:00:39 PM
Coward.
What's he gonna do..change the GOP Platform?
OLD YELLOW STAIN
36250. concerned - 9/24/2008 3:00:46 PM
Re. 36246 -
You forget that we're talking about the Maverick, not some Left Wing sockpuppet.
36251. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:02:53 PM
SMEAR THIS ConJob
36252. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:03:15 PM
The Maverick's a COWARD
36253. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:03:45 PM
Forget about The Maverick
You can stick a fork in that old sack of shit
SEND IN PALIN if he's too feeble
36254. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:04:57 PM
36255. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:07:15 PM
COWARD
Obama 52
McYellowStain 43
Likely voters
36256. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:09:27 PM
FOX POLL
Obama 45
McYellowStain 39
(That's a 9 point shift)
If he's too frightened, quit
36257. concerned - 9/24/2008 3:10:41 PM
Hey, Hussein 0bama can debate his teleprompter. Of course, he'd lose.
36258. concerned - 9/24/2008 3:15:48 PM
rejexst -
Wouldn't it be a trip if the bailout bill has McCain's name on it?
The bus is leaving and Hussein 0bama is under it.
36259. concerned - 9/24/2008 3:18:11 PM
Hussein 0bama, not checking his voice mail:
“if they need me, they’ll call me.”
36260. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:21:04 PM
43 days left for the Republican National War Party
Old Yellow Stain can run
But he can't hide
36261. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:22:55 PM
Obama: The American people need to see that when they elect a president he can handle more than one thing at a time
Oh is Mahmoud wiping Jizzrael off the map?
Sorry I have to go bailout out my buds on Wall St
36262. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:24:15 PM
Is there some part of the McStain GOP Platform Old Yeller needs to clarify????
They just approved it barely three weeks ago
36263. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:26:08 PM
Somebody wake Ole Yeller
36264. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:27:08 PM
Besides George Herbert Hoover Bush is the fucking president.
Are we getting a refund?
36265. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:28:07 PM
Ready for the Rest Home on Day 1
36266. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:29:50 PM
Jackson MS ..2 hour flight???
Have the debate Friday night..be in DC Saturday AM
Unless McYellowStain's TOO OLD
or TOO YELLOW
36267. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 3:41:52 PM
Obama thinks he's Jesus...
McCain thinks he's Moses... McCain is going to go to Washington and part the "red" sea of debt for us.
36268. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 3:43:10 PM
Jackson to DC would take about 3-4 hrs (on a commercial flight).
McCain does have a private jet.
36269. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:43:59 PM
Hey but wasn't Old Yellow Stain a POW?
McCain at debate=Elder abuse.
36270. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:44:26 PM
They both do...
36271. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 3:44:57 PM
The McCain fawners declaring this the 3am phone call must realize that it was 3am a week ago Monday.... right?
36272. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:45:48 PM
Unless he's too scared or too old or both
He could take his Ambien and catch some ZZZ's on the plane..his wheel chair would be waiting for him at ST Ronald Raygun Airport
36273. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:46:08 PM
I jiss think he's old and yeller
OLD YELLOW STAIN
36274. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:49:12 PM
Why did Bush ruin the country?
Why did we let him?
36275. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:55:08 PM
Hell the old gasbag's apartment isn't 10 minutes from the airport
36276. concerned - 9/24/2008 3:59:04 PM
Re. 36274 -
Somebody take away your pacifier?
Democrats have to explain why they got us into this $700 Billion mess.
36277. jexster - 9/24/2008 3:59:30 PM
Americans Respond to McCain Stunt
SurveyUSA has just completed a snap poll on response to John McCain's request to cancel or postpone the presidential debate.
What to do about debates?
Hold as Scheduled 50%
Hold with Econ Focus 36%
Postpone 10%
36278. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:05:40 PM
As Simple Sister Soulmate Sarah Said - "this isn't rocket science" FOX News shows Obama's taken a 6 point lead (a 9 point swing in a week) It is a 2-3 hour flight to Bushville. The old man lives TEN MINUTES FROM THE AIRPORT (20 by electric wheel chair) C'mon
36279. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:08:26 PM
NO BAILOUTS read the GOP platform
Spare change for an electric wheelchair
OLD YELLOW STAIN
36280. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:09:51 PM
36274
Hey I have an idea!
Let Old Yellow Stain ASK OBAMA on FRIDAY NIGHT
36281. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:11:01 PM
rejexst - is this you in blackface? Sure sounds like you, drool, spittle, racism and all.
From CNN:
Rep. Alcee Hastings told an audience of Jewish Democrats Wednesday that they should be wary of Republican VP nominee Sarah Palin because “anybody toting guns and stripping moose don’t care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks.”
In 1979, Alcee Hastings was appointed a federal judge for the Southern District of Florida by President Jimmy Carter. Two years later, Hastings was indicted on charges of conspiring to solicit a bribe from two defendants awaiting sentencing in his court. Hastings was unanimously acquitted of the charges in 1983. The Judicial Council of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, however, soon launched a separate investigation into the matter which lasted nearly four years. Ultimately, the council (which was led by former Watergate prosecutor John Doar and comprised of the active appeals court judges for that circuit and three U.S. District judges) found that Hastings not only had solicited a bribe, but also repeatedly lied during his trial. Following this report, the House Judiciary Committee approved seventeen articles of impeachment against Hastings. Sixteen dealt with the bribery case, while one centered around Hastings’ improper revelation of sensitive government information obtained through a federal wiretap in 1985. In late 1988, the articles passed the House by a vote of 413-3. The Senate, following a trial by a twelve-member committee, chose to convict Hastings on eight of the articles, but opted not to restrict him from seeking federal elected office in the future (which it had the authority to do). In 1992, a federal judge remanded Hastings’ conviction back to the Senate, arguing that Hastings should have received a trial by the full Senate. The Supreme Court, however, had ruled in a similar case that the courts have no jurisdiction over impeachment proceedings, and Hastings’ conviction was therefore upheld. Later in 1992, Hastings was elected to Congress in Florida’s Twenty-Third Congressional District. In 2006, after being reelected for the seventh time, Hastings was considered to chair the House Intelligence Committee in the 110th Congress. Facing pressure as a result of Hastings’ troubled past, Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) ultimately declined to give Hastings the job, choosing Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) instead
36282. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:11:42 PM
Maybe the second paragraph wasn't from CNN. They wouldn't tell the truth about a sensitive Lefty like Alcee Hastings.
36283. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:11:59 PM
He's a WAR HERO!
36284. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:12:37 PM
I have a BETTER IDEA
If Old Yellow Stain can't make it ...TRY RICK DAVIS..he can be found in the Freddie Mac basement
36285. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:13:24 PM
Why we let ConJob let Bush ruin the country?
36286. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:14:40 PM
We could use the refund on 4 months of Idiot George's salary and buy Old Yellow Stain an electric wheel chair AND a van with a lift so he can get around even faster!
36287. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:15:32 PM
Ultimately, the council (which was led by former Watergate prosecutor John Doar and comprised of the active appeals court judges for that circuit and three U.S. District judges) found that Hastings not only had solicited a bribe, but also repeatedly lied during his trial. Following this report, the House Judiciary Committee approved seventeen articles of impeachment against Hastings. Sixteen dealt with the bribery case, while one centered around Hastings’ improper revelation of sensitive government information obtained through a federal wiretap in 1985. In late 1988, the articles passed the House by a vote of 413-3. The Senate, following a trial by a twelve-member committee, chose to convict Hastings on eight of the articles, but opted not to restrict him from seeking federal elected office in the future (which it had the authority to do).
How about that, rejexst? They let anybody hold office in the Party of Sewage as long as they play the Fascist Brownshirt on command.
36288. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:16:34 PM
Since it is now apparent that Old Yellow Stain is too old, too feeble and TOO YELLER to stand before the American people, why doesn't he just quit?
I am sure Mitt Romney's ready with his Regulatory WeedWhacker
Cheaper than a Hovveround
36289. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:17:34 PM
Rejexst is really raving this time.
36290. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:18:39 PM
Maybe Cindy should get him
36291. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:19:40 PM
We're calling paramedics and your family Sen. McStain
36292. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:22:02 PM
Old Yellow Stain Paid 5500 for "Idol" Makeup Artist
36293. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:22:27 PM
Guess he took my advice first suggested to Arky some months ago
36294. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:24:41 PM
Sully's goin NUTS. Even conservative bloggers aren't buying Old Yellow Stain's stunt
The Wheels Have Come Off
(the Hoverround)
36295. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:33:29 PM
Friday Debate: Demand Old Yellow Stain Release His Medical Records
Or QUIT FOR MITT
36296. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:35:08 PM
From Life News:
Accusations That Gov. Sarah Palin Charged Victims for Rape Kits Proven False
At least since September 8 the extreme left has been pushing a lie that Governor, then Mayor, Sarah Palin "charged rape victims for rape kits" performed upon them in the Alaskan town of Wasilla.
The charge stems from a May 22, 2000 article in the local Wasilla paper The Frontiersman and has been spun from a comment made by the Wasilla Police Chief. This comment was somehow made into a Sarah Palin policy.
Evidence of the incident, though, shows no involvement by Palin at all. Still, many Old Media outlets continue to keep illegitimately linking this rape kit billing claim to Sarah Palin, even though the truth is easily discovered.
As mentioned, first up was The Frontiersman story from 2000.
In that story Police Chief Fannon was quoted as standing against legislation that would force local municipalities to pick up the costs of rape kits being performed. In the interview Fannon said that, upon conviction, he favored the criminals being charged for the costs.
The story mentions that Fannon claimed that at the time Wasilla did have a policy that rape victims' insurance would be charged for the kits being performed but there was no mention that victims themselves were charged and no claim that any ever were.
It should be pointed out that The Frontiersman is the local Wasilla paper, so, consequently, the story did not mention what the policy was in any other Alaskan city outside the area the paper covers other than to say that "most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams." This last phrase has been focused on by Palin's detractors and spun from "some municipalities" into "all" (except Wasilla) and presented as some sort of proof that she hates rape victims.
After Palin was picked to be VP, on September 8, a blog called Americablog found the old story and brought it up as evidence of "a rather nasty window into Sarah Palin." Americablog is run by a man named John Aravosis, a Democratic strategist, sometimes gay activist, and Washington D.C. lawyer who once worked for Alaska Senator Ted Stevens before he, Aravosis, formally switched to the Democratic Party.
Later that day The Daily Kos also picked it up and from here it began to morph even further adding false claims to the story.
36297. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:35:25 PM
In one of those additions to the story, Kos blogger Steven R claimed that Palin hired Police Chief Fannon because he was in favor of charging rape victims for rape kits. Steven R said he was "Pro-Charging Rape Victims for their OWN TESTS!!!" (bold in original). I cannot find this claim anywhere prior to the meme being picked up by the Old Media echoing this Kos diarist.
According to the Uniform Crime Reports for Wasilla, up until 2000 only one rape had been reported to police in Wasilla.
The Kos diarist tried to claim that one rape reported equalled one rape conviction alleging that all the "other" rapes were not convicted. But the report clearly says that it was one rape reported not one rape convicted. The Daily Kos Diarist was trying to make it seem as if there were all sorts of rapes going on that weren't being reported and, presumably, all sorts of victims being charged for rape kits.
In any case, from here the Old Media began to pick up the charge that Palin had put in place or at least agreed with this charging of victims policy. On September 12, for instance, The L.A. Times repeated the charge.
"When Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed sexual assault victims and their insurance companies for the cost of rape kits and forensic examinations."
The L.A. Times also helped further the warped claim that made it seem that the only Alaskan town that charged victims for rape kits was Palin's Wasilla.
"Then-Gov. Tony Knowles said Thursday that Wasilla was unique in the state in charging rape victims for costs incurred by law enforcement in trying to solve the crime."
This charge then began to appear in all sorts of opinion columns, blogs and in the comments sections of many of the Palin stories in papers all across the country.
On September 21, the Chicago Tribune repeated the tale, as well. The Chi Trib tried to spin this tale into one that made Palin notorious in the Alaska State Legislature over the practice.
"While she was mayor of Wasilla, her town was the only one in Alaska that required rape victims to pay for their own forensic tests. Charging victims for the "rape kits" necessary to collect evidence and convict sexual predators was a "cost-cutting" measure that continued until complaints about her administration's policy prompted the Alaska State Legislature to pass a bill that banned this anti-victim practice statewide."
36298. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:35:44 PM
On September 22, it was CNN's turn to highlight the charge. CNN also pushed the false idea that out of all of Alaska's towns only Wasilla insisted on perpetrating this policy quoting former Democratic State Rep. Eric Croft to that effect.
"Former state Rep. Eric Croft, a Democrat, sponsored a state law requiring cities to provide the examinations free of charge to victims. He said the only ongoing resistance he met was from Wasilla, where Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002."
Farther down in the story, CNN does reveal that there are no records and no proof that Palin ever even knew about this charging the victim policy. CNN also finally mentions that Wasilla wasn't the only town in Alaska that had this policy.
Many other papers also mention that Palin charged victims for their own rape kits. Papers such as Denver Daily and Philadelphia Weekly, for instance. There are far more than the few I mention here.
So, the impression all these stories leave us with is that the town of Wasilla was a major impediment to passage of a bill in the state legislature that would end the policy of charging rape victims for their own rape kits being administered.
We are told that "Palin charged rape victims" and we are told that she hired a new police chief because he also wanted to charge victims. One would think that if all this were true, Palin would have been all over Alaska's news in the year 2000 because of it.
But, in reality, none of these charges can be found and Jim Geraghty of NRO has done a little investigative work to prove it.
Geraghty looked to see how often Wasilla and Palin were mentioned in the debates about the rape kit bill. But he finds that there is not one mention of the town of Wasilla in the hearings over the bill. Far from being the mayor that had "complaints about her administration's policy" (as the Chi Trib says) being the one forcing the state legislature to pass the law, Wasilla is not mentioned at all in the debates about the bill.
"The Democratic sponsor of the legislation, Eric Croft, told USA Today recently that “the law was aimed in part at Wasilla, where now-Gov. Sarah Palin was mayor.” Yet in six committee meetings, Wasilla was never mentioned, even when the discussion turned to the specific topic of where victims were being charged."
36299. concerned - 9/24/2008 4:35:50 PM
Geraghty also could not find a single instance of a rape victim ever having been charged for her own rape kit.
"To clarify: In preparation to attend a hearing and support the bill, one of the state’s top law-enforcement officials found no case of a rape victim ever being charged. And roughly a month after 30 Democratic lawyers, investigators, and opposition researchers, not to mention reporters from every major news agency in the country, landed in Alaska, we still have no instances to consider."
Additionally, Geraghty found that it was the hospitals in Alaska, not the police agencies, that were passing the bills on to the victims' insurance companies. And the idea that only Wasilla had such a policy is blasted out of the water by Geraghty who notes that Juneau also had the same policy of charging rape victims for their rape kits.
"In fact, at a Finance Committee hearing, Representative Gail Phillips (R., Homer) “read for the record, a statement from a woman in Juneau who had experienced the charges as indicated.” Compare Juneau (population 30,711 in 2000) to Wasilla (population 5,469)."
On top of all of that, there are no stories prior to Sarah Palin being offered the billet as VP by John McCain that makes the claim that Palin was informed of or involved in this policy of charging rape victims for rape kits. And, since there was only one rape reported in the city between 1996 and 2000 when the story first came to the papers, it's no wonder she wasn't aware of the policy. When would it ever have come up? Does anyone think that any given mayor of any American town is fully cognizant of every single policy or law in their city, especially if it is a law not in use because of a lack of situations to bring it to light?
For her part, Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella has said that the governor "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test."
In the end, it seems that this story is a wild exaggeration about Palin's role in this policy. There is no proof that she ever knew about the policy until long after the situation hit the news, it is untrue that her town was "unique" in blocking the measure, no evidence that she, herself, was notorious for the policy, and no proof that any victims were ever charged for rape kits. In fact, according to the Uniform Crime Report there were only 5 rapes reported in the 6 years she was mayor of Wasilla and four of those happened after the state law in question was passed.
In fact, this whole thing looks like another case where the media has been programmed by the nutroots and Democratic operatives.
Yet, the media still repeatedly bring this false charge up at every possible opportunity. Geraghty is right. The Old Media and the Obama campaign owes Palin an apology.
More of the many many Left Wing lies about Sarah Palin refuted.
36300. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:42:03 PM
Life News!
Try the Anchorage Daily News..
Or have OLD YELLOW STAIN come to the debate
36301. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:42:59 PM
We could clean up all those "media lies" FRIDAY NIGHT
But Old Yellow Stain's Fallen..and he ain't gettin up
36302. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:43:49 PM
Maybe some enterprising supporter could ASK SIMPLETON SISTER why Wasilla charged for rape kits...
But they won't let the press near her
36303. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:45:05 PM
What's see afraid of? Someone might get her DNA? Test it against Bristol's bastard child
Fraid Sarah's just gonna have to wait on that APOLOGY....pigs will fly first
COME OUT COME OUT OLD YELLOW STAIN
36304. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:46:25 PM
Ready for the Rest Home
36305. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:55:32 PM
High-larious
36306. jexster - 9/24/2008 4:59:03 PM
Life Alert - Doomsday Edition
36307. concerned - 9/24/2008 5:00:13 PM
From HotAir:
Reid changes his tune on McCain involvement - and for good Reason
As Allahpundit already noted in an update to his excellent post on John McCain’s suspension of his campaign, Harry Reid went out of his way to tell him, “don’t bother”. However, as John McCormack notes at the Weekly Standard, that’s just a day after Reid’s insistence that McCain return to support the Bush administration’s bailout plan. How soon they forget:
"But yesterday, Reid demanded that the White House made sure the legislation had John McCain’s backing, and Reid floated this bogus piece of news clearly intended to force McCain’s hand: “I got some good news in the last hour or so … it appears that Sen. McCain is going to come out for this.” McCain flatly denied that he had endorsed the plan.
So Harry Reid says that it’s essential that John McCain backs legislation designed to avert the greatest economic meltdown since the Great Depression. And when McCain says the highly problematic legislation, in its current form, is not good enough, Reid tells McCain to stay away from Capitol Hill. Who’s playing politics with economic crisis?"
Well, everyone is, but this gambit from Reid is really transparent. He wanted McCain on the hook so that Reid could blame McCain for the political fallout. When McCain called Reid’s bluff — and that’s what appears to have happened here — Reid did what Reid always does: retreat.
I think Reid fears more than just the idea that McCain will “risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy.” What Reid fears is that McCain will return to lead the Republican effort to reach a compromise, and the Senate and House GOP will let him do it. If McCain takes ownership of the bailout effort and manages to get his suggestions on limiting executive compensation and so on as part of the finished product, he will be able to trot McCain-Dodd on the campaign trail as yet another reform he’s accomplished by working across the aisle. And in a time of crisis, no less.
And what will Obama be able to say? He gave a couple of speeches and raised cash for himself while McCain went to work for the nation.
36308. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:01:52 PM
Well I guess Miss Wasilla won't be telling us why she charged for rape kits
CNN: Palin May Cancel Biden Debate
36309. concerned - 9/24/2008 5:02:09 PM
And what will Obama be able to say? He gave a couple of speeches and raised cash for himself while McCain went to work for the nation.
And that's an essential difference between McCain and 0bama. This episode shows that McCain wants to serve the nation and 0bama wants to serve himself.
36310. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:04:54 PM
Maybe Old Yellow Stain will be available for debate on 11/5
36311. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:05:32 PM
"Hot Air" another crackpot blog
36312. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:08:08 PM
Claiming Credit for a Done Deal
36313. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:10:02 PM
Swampland, TIME
Gimmicks 'R' Us
Posted by Joe Klein
36314. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:11:56 PM
Maybe he needs some assistance pushing his wheelchair from Crystal City to Raygun Airport?
36315. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:12:09 PM
Coward
36316. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:13:31 PM
Or MAYBE he could go to the Senate Floor where he hasn't been in nearly a year and read HIS platform into the record
That shouldn't prove TOO taxing on the Old Coward
36317. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:15:47 PM
Palin: US could face another Great Depression
Come out come out wherever you are
36318. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:18:18 PM
Why did Bush ruin the country?
36319. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:20:27 PM
Late Night Joke
Letterman Mocks McCain For Canceling Appearance Tonight
Olbermann's going to fill in for Old Yellow Stain
36320. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:23:04 PM
Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."
36321. concerned - 9/24/2008 5:24:00 PM
From CNBC, Obama rejects McCain call for debate delay:
Even before Obama said he wanted to go forward with the debate, spokesman Bill Burton issued a statement saying that McCain made his announcement unilaterally moments after agreeing to joint action by both candidates that was initiated by Obama in a personal phone call to McCain early Wednesday.
"At 8:30 this morning, Senator Obama called Senator McCain to ask him if he would join in issuing a joint statement outlining their shared principles and conditions for the Treasury proposal and urging Congress and the White House to act in a bipartisan manner to pass such a proposal. At 2:30 this afternoon, Senator McCain returned Senator Obama's call and agreed to join him in issuing such a statement. The two campaigns are currently working together on the details," Burton's statement said.
McCain spokesman Brian Rogers fired back that Obama did not reach McCain Wednesday morning.
"Senator Obama phoned Senator McCain at 8:30 a.m. this morning but did not reach him," Rogers said in a statement. "The topic of Senator Obama's call to Senator McCain was never discussed. Senator McCain was meeting with economic advisers and talking to leaders in Congress throughout the day prior to calling Senator Obama. At 2:30 p.m., Senator McCain phoned Senator Obama and expressed deep concern that the plan on the table would not pass as it currently stands. He asked Senator Obama to join him in returning to Washington to lead a bipartisan effort to solve this problem."
So Hussein 0bama lied three times. First he lied when he said he talked to McCain early Wednesday. Secondly when he said that McCain agreed to anything in that phone conversation. Thirdly, when he said McCain reneged on the nonexistent 'agreement' from that nonexistent 'phone conversation'.
Hussein 0bama is a low class liar and weasel, and not fit for national office.
I think this is going to blow up in 0bama's face, however. It wouldn't be any surprise to me if this only focuses and sharpens McCain for his debate with Hussein 0bama, and then the Democrats will really have something to whine about when they see their candidate's poll numbers laid to waste.
36322. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:44:21 PM
Old Yellow Stain is still coming to CA next week...RNC fundraiser
36323. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:45:16 PM
WOW ConJob just heard!
Obama has called Old Yellow Stain out
36324. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:46:02 PM
36325. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:50:04 PM
Saving Sarah!
These guys are just digging into such depths of nonsense and desperation that pretty soon they're going to pop out in China, which will be helpful since they can ask the Chinese for the trillion dollars it'll take to bail out McCain's pals on Wall Street for the mess his economics advisor Phil Gramm made possible. Here's the latest attempt to exploit the financial market crisis for political ends (from CNN)...
McCain supporter Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis.
36326. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:52:29 PM
If McStain can't handle the campaign, he can't handle the job
Of course, it is just a stunt because the coward's getting pasted in the polls and Obama would crucify him Friday night
A short time later, Mr. Obama appeared at a news conference in Clearwater, Fla., and said that while he agreed “there are times for politics and there are times to rise above politics and do what’s right, ”
he saw no need to cancel the debate, scheduled for Friday night at the University of Mississippi.
“This is exactly the time when people need to hear from the candidates,” he said.
He added: “Part of the president’s job is to deal with more than one thing at once. In my mind it’s more important than ever.”
36327. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:52:48 PM
This is your "War Hero" folks
36328. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:55:28 PM
Ole Yeller best get his ass back to Bushville...Dems Aim to Slash George Herbert Hoover Bush Wall St. Bailout
36329. jexster - 9/24/2008 5:58:43 PM
CAT FIGHT!
Laura Bush: Palin lacks foreign policy experience (AP)
36330. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:00:25 PM
36331. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:04:09 PM
36332. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:09:18 PM
McStain:
36333. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:10:29 PM
Richard Wolf thinks that some bailout will pass, the GOP platform notwithstanding
36334. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:10:57 PM
McStain knows that a debate Friday night will end the race.
36335. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:12:21 PM
Now McStain's people are saying that if we don't bailout his Wall St. buddies, the country will be in a depression "by Monday"
36336. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:22:11 PM
Why did Bush ruin the country? Obama's going to a meeting at the WH tomorrow
36337. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:23:41 PM
36338. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:26:28 PM
The Debate commission says debate is going forward
STUNT!
36339. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:34:37 PM
There's a new YouTube out of Pastor Muthee, the Assembly of God African witchdoctor turned witch hunter, laying hands on Palin praying that she not be attacked by witches
Glenda the Good Witch
36340. wonkers2 - 9/24/2008 6:35:21 PM
Truth by Repetition
I told them thanks, but no thanks, Palin said. We'd rather pay for it ourselves instead.
But here's a tape on which you clearly say You're for the bridge.
I told them thanks, but no thanks, Palin said. We'd rather pay for it ourselves instead.
You weren't opposed at all until the day That Congress made that project DOA.
I told them thanks, but no thanks, Palin said. We'd rather pay for it ourselves instead.
And then you thought it perfectly OK FOR you to take the money anyway.
I thold them thanks, but no thanks, Palin said. We'd rather pay for it ourselves instead.
But...oh, skip it.
Calvin Trillin, Deadline Poet, in The Nation October 6, 2008
36341. wonkers2 - 9/24/2008 6:37:15 PM
To the Editor
The Nation
Congratulations on your "10 National Security Myths Debunked."
I was especially pleased to read your conclusion that "We cannot allow Afghanistan to become a safe haven for terrorists. We therefore must redouble our military efforts there or face another terrorist attack." is a myth. You might have added that it is a myth apparently accepted by both presidential candidates, nearly all politicians as well as the mainstream media. The futility of what we have been doing in Afghanistan has been apparent for some time but remains unquestioned by the American foreign policy establishment. Believers in the Afghanistan myth should take the time to read Dexter Filkins excellent recent piece in the New York Times Magazine and Norman Solomon's "War Made Easy." They both support The Nation's conclusion--Filkins provides insight on in Afghanistan, and Solomon provides historical perspective on our country's repeated misuse of military power.
W2
36342. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:41:56 PM
"A few moments ago, President Bush called Senator Obama and asked him to attend a meeting in Washington tomorrow, which he agreed to do. Senator Obama has been working all week with leaders in Congress, Secretary Paulsen, and Chairman Bernanke to improve this proposal, and he has said that he will continue to work in a bipartisan spirit and do whatever is necessary to come up with a final solution. He strongly believes the debate should go forward on Friday so that the American people can hear from their next President about how he will lead America forward at this defining moment for our country," said Obama-Biden spokesman Bill Burton.
36343. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:43:13 PM
W2 is trying desperately to distract the American public from his predatory plutocracy
SEIZE THE YACHT FLEET
36344. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:44:34 PM
Obama/McCain have just released an anodyne joint statement to which Obama adds several key points that Old Yellow Stain couldn't accept without checking with his Wall Street and Bloomfield Hills paymasters
36345. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:49:34 PM
Reid To McCain: Stay Away From Washington, Please
Get lost Old Yellow Stain
36346. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:55:14 PM
When the going gets tough
Letterman:
36347. jexster - 9/24/2008 6:59:45 PM
If Old Yellow Stain shows up for the debate Friday night he's finished. If he doesn't, he's dead
36348. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 7:03:36 PM
Concerned... she believes in witches.
36349. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:04:19 PM
Miss MooseTwat - Clueless with Couric
Watch how Katie ties her in knots about Old Yellow Stain's history of deregulation
36350. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:05:30 PM
No wonder they want to cancel the Biden Debate!
36351. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:06:21 PM
i3 COMES THRU!!!
That's Pastor Muthee - Assembly of God Witchdoctor in Wasilla
36352. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:11:48 PM
Pastor Muthee at home
36353. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:13:39 PM
Is anybody hearing me
oonga bunga Pastor Muthee (That's tongues for "You ROCK in the Lord")
36354. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:15:49 PM
Sister Sarah Testifies for the African Witchdoctor
36355. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:23:21 PM
Ole Miss Official: Debate Cancellation Would Be Financially "Devastating"
There WILL be a debate. The Debate Commission's not going for the Stunt and neither is Obama
Call for Old Yellow Stain
36356. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:28:56 PM
Arky will be live blogging if she gets out of the Ft Smith gaol
36357. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:36:32 PM
700 Billion Bucks-
George Herbert Hoover McBush: Pay the Republican National War Party OR ELSE
WASHINGTON - Pressing urgently for a massive financial bailout, President Bush says the nation faces a "long and painful recession" if Congress fails to act. He says "our entire economy is in danger."
I am confused
I thought "the fundamentals of our economy were STRONG" and I thought that the Republican Platform REJECTED any and all bailouts - any time, anywhere
CALL FOR OLD YELLOW STAIN
36358. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:42:17 PM
Lipstick on a pig
36359. jexster - 9/24/2008 7:45:45 PM
Letterman guts an old fish
Hey John, you need a ride to the airport????
36360. arkymalarky - 9/24/2008 7:46:03 PM
Richard Wolf cracked me up with his comparison of McCain's attempt to postpone the debate with "throwing the chessboard in the air."
36361. Wombat - 9/24/2008 7:55:53 PM
McCain's campaign is beginning to resemblea clown show, not a serious campaign. Cyanide for your kool-ade, Concerned?
36362. jexster - 9/24/2008 8:27:05 PM
Letterman almost managed a Howard Beale skewering of the old coward
36363. jexster - 9/24/2008 8:37:43 PM
WSJ: The End of Wall Street
And Palin-McSame too scared to face the American people
Can't blame em but you sure as hell can't vote for em
36364. jexster - 9/24/2008 8:55:05 PM
Great White Hope - Big Fucking Coward
Some "war hero"
36365. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 9:06:09 PM
Quote of the day for me--
"For people who brag about not blinking, they sure are doing a lot of blinking."
36366. David Ehrenstein - 9/24/2008 9:27:20 PM
Dave simply destroyed McCain. No one can recover from that sort of ridicule.
36367. winstonsmith - 9/24/2008 10:52:09 PM
McCain’s ”suspension” makes him appear desperate for attention. I don’t think this ploy will work for him, but who knows, I often can’t predict public reaction
36368. judithathome - 9/24/2008 11:23:52 PM
So Bush started his little read-off tonight by saying the roots of this mess go back a decade...so it really IS Clinton's fault. The he blamed the American public...or that segment which followed his advice after 9/11 and rushed out to spend, spend, spend.
Stupid yahoo blamed every one but his administration...deregulation, my aunt Fannie (Mae).
I think I will spit on the next person I hear whining that if Obama is elected, he will raise taxes. Hell, taxes are going to have to be raised even if they dig up Reagan and elect his corpse.
36369. iiibbb - 9/24/2008 11:36:01 PM
I've asked a lot in my life... what's the difference between raising taxes and deficit spending?
I have come to a realization. I'd often self-described myself as a fiscal conservative. I realize that I'm not one. I confused fiscal responsibility with fiscal conservatism. Their idea of a balanced budget isn't the same as my idea of a balanced budget.
I'm ok with taxes as long as I know what I'm getting for my money... and we can debate what programs to spend on... but the conservative practice of borrowing.
Now more than ever I think we should have some kind of a balanced budget amendment that forces us to live within our means.
36370. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:37:38 AM
Looks like Lefties prefer bolded text . Or else they don't know any better.
Rejexst says he is confused. I agree with him.
36371. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:38:25 AM
Re. 36366 -
I heard him make a few weak jokes. Is that what you're talking about?
36372. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:43:38 AM
Obama [the Kenyan] and DNC Hide Behind Legal Issues
Obama Crimes ^ | 9/24/08 | Philip Berg
Obama & DNC Hide Behind Legal Issues While Betraying Public in not Producing a Certified Copy of Obama’s “Vault” Birth Certificate and Oath of Allegiance
Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis
(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 09/24/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion to Dismiss on the last day to file a response, for the obvious purpose of delaying Court action in the case of Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by delaying the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama was “natural born.” It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.
DNC Chairperson Howard Dean should resign as he has not and is not fulfilling his responsibility of seeing that a “qualified” candidate is on the ballot as the Democratic candidate for President of the United States.
Berg stated that a response will be made in the next few days to their Motion to Dismiss.
Our website obamacrimes.com now has 15.1 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers and radio and TV stations. Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.
* * For copies of all Court Pleadings, go to obamacrimes.com # # #
In the process of discovery (during a court case), each side is required to submit all relevant evidence that will be produced in court ahead of time. This, of course, would include any valid US birth certificate, if it exists, for Hussein 0bama.
It appears that Hussein 0bama simply cannot produce a valid US birth certificate. Because it never existed. Because he is was not born in the United States. Therefore he is constitutionally barred from holding the office of United States President.
36373. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:48:08 AM
If Hussein 0bama should by any chance win the general election, the resulting constitutional crisis would probably force him to resign before inauguration day.
36374. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:49:28 AM
Just the kind of circus the United States doesn't need after the fucking Democrats gave us the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis.
36375. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:51:52 AM
Once again Democrats screwed minority home buyers with their crony socialism and gluttony at the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac troughs. In the process, with their greed and stupidity they're driving the United States as a whole into a deep recession.
36376. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:55:03 AM
Anybody who says George W. Bush didn't do his best to try to prevent the subprime crisis with his many warnings to Congress (which were all ignored, especially by the worst Congress in History Democrats), is a possibly certifiable lunatic, or most likely just a shameless liar and all around moron.
36377. concerned - 9/25/2008 12:57:16 AM
I do believe the Worst Congress in History will continue to obstruct any plan to resolve the subprime crisis for purely political reasons, continuing their policy (whether intentional or due to their general idiocy) of destroying the US economy.
36378. concerned - 9/25/2008 1:14:05 AM
The US continues to take increasing punishment due to the stupidity, greed and partisan intrasigence of the Worst Congress in History:
China banks told to halt lending to US banks-SCMP
I can just see rejexst blaming any US monetary meltdown on GWB. That's who he has blamed for virtually everything for the last seven years, so why change, right?
36379. concerned - 9/25/2008 1:18:21 AM
You Leftist nitwits are worse than pathetic. You've literally exhausted your intellectual resources by cheering Letterman when he jokes about GWB or with playground gibes at McCain. Leftism truly is a mental disease.
36380. concerned - 9/25/2008 1:24:28 AM
Re. 36363 -
All three links are to the same article. More proof that rejexst is a moron.
36381. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:33:34 AM
Jigjaja bugjana!!
Palin once blessed to be free from 'witchcraft'
36382. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:34:51 AM
Anything on old Yellow Stain's whereabouts?
36383. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:40:33 AM
Letterman invited Olbermann as his special guest substitute for Old Yellow Stain but spent the entire 10 minutes to filleting the old fish..
Sunday: McCain Endorses Bailout...
Tuesday: McCain Says He Hasn't Actually Read Bailout Plan...
Wednesday: Obama Leads In Polls, McCain "Suspends" Campaign To Focus Exclusively On Bailout...Then Tapes Interview With Katie Couric...
Wednesday Night: Dems Say They've Already Reached Deal On Bailout
36384. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:41:13 AM
36385. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:42:44 AM
Is That Your Final Answer?
36386. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:43:36 AM
Sam Donaldson asked the question twice last Sunday - Is the man senile?
36387. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:51:50 AM
36388. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:53:46 AM
36368 - GOP Sen Demint said it best - the American people can no longer trust what the Republican regime tells them
McStain's flip flopped 4-5 times in the past 3 weeks. McBush and he have gone from "fundamentally sound" to "depression by Monday"
36389. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:54:06 AM
And Old Yellow Stain hides
36390. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:59:38 AM
Angry Constituents Flood Congress in Opposition to Bush Bailout of Republican War Party Financiers
36391. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:03:36 AM
Since The McYellowStain Campaign is speaking for Alaska State government these days, is their government suspended now too?
36392. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:06:00 AM
When the going got tough, the "war hero" cut and ran
36393. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:13:42 AM
McBush Depression 2008
Foreign Investors on Sidelines
Sovereign wealth funds, which have rescued U.S. firms before, are showing little interest now.
Even the Chicoms and the Muzzies won't touch the rotted old fish
36394. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:23:18 AM
Run John Run
US Will Lose Financial Superpower Status (the Financial Times)
The Eagle Has Crash Landed Wallerstein (2002)
Sounds to ME like we should be hearing our presidential aspirants in a Foreign Policy debate. Why did Bush/McSame ruin our country?
36395. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:11:49 AM
In language that went much further than recent comments by Angela Merkel, Germany’s chancellor, Mr Steinbrück said tougher capital market rules were an urgent necessity.
“Crisis management alone will not rebuild the lost confidence,” he said. “We must civilise financial markets, and not just through moral appeals against excess and speculation. Self-regulation is no longer sufficient.”
The US belief in “laissez-faire capitalism; the notion that markets should be as free as possible from regulation; these arguments were wrong and dangerous,” he said. “This largely under-regulated system is collapsing today.”
36396. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:16:45 AM
36397. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:20:48 AM
WASHINGTON - New home sales tumbled in August to the slowest pace in 17 years, while the average sales price fell by the largest amount on record, demonstrating the depth of the problem that Washington is trying to solve.
The Commerce Department said Thursday that new homes sales fell by 11.5 percent in August to a seasonally adjusted annual sales rate of 460,000 units, the slowest sales pace since January 1991.
36398. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:24:10 AM
Bring it On!
Bring on the Rubber Chicken
36399. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:32:54 AM
Barack Obama, speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative, offered a read on the politics of the bailout that was strikingly at odds with McCain's read earlier this morning
Obama: Congress "Close To A Deal" On Bailout Package
bwakbwak BWAAAAK
36400. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:09:42 AM
VIDEO - Old Yellow Stain admits that as of Tuesday he hadn't read 3 page paulson plan
36401. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:11:51 AM
Gail Collins reminds that once when Rudi's opponent chicken out, he ran around the stage waving a rubber chicken
36402. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:13:31 AM
DOJ Monitoring Michigan GOP Voter Suppression
36403. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:16:27 AM
Suspension????? Here's Yellow Stain Campaign Official on FOX just now
36404. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:22:05 AM
Maybe Americans would like to hear about McBush's worldwide foreign policy disasters and their relationship to this country's collapse as the World's Only Superpower? Maybe folks would like to know how McBush managed to ruin the country in less than 8 years?
36405. concerned - 9/25/2008 10:40:47 AM
What a surprise. Clowntoon and I both agree that Congressional Democrats are to blame for the subprime mortgage crisis.
Fox News Blames Democrats for Financial Crisis, Bill Clinton Agrees
By Noel Sheppard
Going very much against the media meme that the current financial crisis is all George W. Bush and the Republicans' fault, Bill Clinton on Thursday told ABC's Chris Cuomo that Democrats for years have been "resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac"
Whether he knew it or not, Clinton was going against virtually all press outlets that have been pointing fingers at Republicans since this crisis began, and likely much to the dismay of such folk actually agreed with a Fox News segment aired on Tuesday's "Special Report" (video embedded right):
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BRIT HUME, HOST: In the recent spate of government bailouts, buyouts and rescues, the federal takeovers of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are arguably the biggest of them all. And those two firms are also arguably the biggest reason for the credit crisis in the first place. So the question arises -- how did this come to be? Chief Washington correspondent Jim Angle reports.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JIM ANGLE, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): There is one nagging question behind all the debate over how to get out of this mess.
CHRIS DODD (D-CT), SENATE BANKING COMMITTEE CHMN: American taxpayers are angry and they demand to know how we arrived at this moment.
ELIZABETH DOLE (R), NORTH CAROLINA SENATOR: My constituents, and indeed taxpayers across the nation are asking how we arrived at this crisis. It is infuriating.
ANGLE: But Senator Dole and others think they know the answer, and it's something the Senate tried to fix three years ago but was thwarted.
DOLE: To the mismanagement of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which was made possible by weak oversight and little accountability.
MEL MARTINEZ (R), FLORIDA SENATOR: A lot of what we're dealing with today has its origins in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
ANGLE: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, backed by the federal government, buy mortgage loans from the lenders who make them. But four years ago, both were in trouble over shoddy accounting. Fannie Mae Chief Franklin Raines, President Clinton's former budget director, was fired. To placate those in Congress who watched over them, Fannie and Freddie promised to do more to help poor people get mortgages. That led them to buy riskier and riskier home loans from private lenders creating incentives for everyone to make shakier loans.
PETER WALLISON, AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE: The problem is that they encouraged very bad mortgages to be made by banks and other institutions, because Fannie and Freddie would buy them.
36406. concerned - 9/25/2008 10:40:57 AM
ANGLE: Eventually, they bought trillions of dollars worth of mortgages, a substantial portion of them based on poor credit, then resold many of them to financial institutions who thought they were safe because the federal government was behind them.
WALLISON: As a result of this appearance that they were backed by the government, people never paid very much attention to the assets they were acquiring or the risks they were taking.
ANGLE: And so shaky mortgages spread throughout the system. But in 2005, the Senate Banking Committee, then chaired by Republican Richard Shelby, tried to rein in the two organizations bypassing some strong new regulations.
WALLISON: Which would have prevented Fannie and Freddie from acquiring this bad -- these bad mortgages. It actually gave a new regulator for Fannie and Freddie the kinds of powers that a bank regulator had.
ANGLE: All the Republicans voted for it. All the Democrats, including the current chairman, Senator Chris Dodd, voted against it, and that was after Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan had issued a stark warning to senators that Fannie and Freddie were playing with fire. Greenspan said without stronger regulations, "We increase the possibility of insolvency and crisis. Without restrictions on the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, we put at risk our ability to preserve safe and sound financial markets in the United States."
(END VIDEOTAPE)
ANGLE: Which turned out to be exactly right, but because Democrats blocked it, those new regulations never got consideration by the full Senate and died. So that's how we got into this mess, and how we missed a chance to avoid it. Getting out of it now, of course, will be a lot more difficult -- Brit.
HUME: Oh, boy. Thanks, Jim.
Two days later, former President Clinton agreed:
CHRIS CUOMO, ABC NEWS: A little surprising for you to hear the Democrats saying, "This came out of nowhere, this is all about the Republicans. We had nothing to do with this." Nancy Pelosi saying it. She signed the '99 Gramm Bill. She knew what was going on with the SEC. They're all sophisticated people. Is that playing politics in this situation?
BILL CLINTON: Well, maybe everybody does that a little bit. I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Imagine that!
Kudos to Cuomo for asking the question, and kudos to Clinton for being so honest, especially in an election year.
The only question remains whether other news outlets will follow suit and begin telling the American people just how many proposals Republicans have made in the past decade to impose tighter regulations and oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and how such efforts were routinely thwarted by Democrats.
Stay tuned.
36407. concerned - 9/25/2008 10:45:16 AM
Re. 36395 -
That is because Leftists are economic idiots. If they can break an economic structure with their corruption, cronyism and mismanagement, they will.
It can't be both Bush's fault and the fault of the Leftist Congress. jexster incoherently is pointing the finger at both sides, but is too stupid to realize this.
36408. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:48:07 AM
SWEEET! CNN just showed who has the most "missed senate votes this year." Ready folks: 1st- John McCain 412 missed votes-----2nd Tim Johnson of SD (recovering from stroke)----3rd Barack Obama at 295. Last roll call: Obama, July 9 ----McCain, April 8. Ok, so what was McCain saying about doing the work of the people???
36409. concerned - 9/25/2008 10:48:29 AM
Re. 36404 -
No, they don't want to hear your delusional idiot's spew.
36410. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:49:43 AM
If Old Yellow Stain doesn't show, Obama plans to turn the debate forum into an Ole Miss townhall!
36411. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:51:20 AM
The Bush Bailout of Wall St. was 98% finished yesterday. Old Yellow Stain hadn't even read the 3 page paulson proposal ON TUESDAY
McCain Wants To Postpone VP Debate Too...
Obama's going to blow this race wide open
36412. concerned - 9/25/2008 10:51:36 AM
The magnitude of rejexst's partisan delusions reminds me of the Mr. Ishii in Michener's 'Hawaii' who insisted that Japan had won WWII until a relative of his visited Hiroshima and assured him that it had indeed been nuked and that Japan had lost the war.
36413. jexster - 9/25/2008 10:55:38 AM
While Old Yellow Stain Hides
Pakistan Fires On Recon Helicopters, Tensions Mount
36414. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:01:30 AM
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin finally faced more than one reporter today and was asked about her support for the reelection of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) and Rep. Don Young (R-AK):
36415. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:02:51 AM
We're trying to rescue the economy not the McCain campaign
Old Yellow Stain
36416. concerned - 9/25/2008 11:02:52 AM
CHRIS CUOMO, ABC NEWS: A little surprising for you to hear the Democrats saying, "This came out of nowhere, this is all about the Republicans. We had nothing to do with this." Nancy Pelosi saying it. She signed the '99 Gramm Bill. She knew what was going on with the SEC. They're all sophisticated people. Is that playing politics in this situation?
BILL CLINTON: Well, maybe everybody does that a little bit. I think the responsibility the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Read it and weep, Lefty 'hos.
36417. concerned - 9/25/2008 11:04:29 AM
Thanks to McCain, the subprime bailout is rapidly approaching a successful conclusion.
Where's Hussein 0bama? Reading his teleprompter.
36418. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:06:03 AM
36419. concerned - 9/25/2008 11:06:13 AM
Maybe some enterprising supporter could ASK SIMPLETON SISTER why Wasilla charged for rape kits...
But no such thing ever happened. That's another filthy lie concocted by 0bama's shitheads.
36420. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:06:50 AM
Why did Bush ruin the country?
Because enough idiots believed the same old McStained lies
36421. concerned - 9/25/2008 11:07:13 AM
Democrats = Party of Lies. Joseph Goebbels would have been proud of the 0bama brownshirts.
36422. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:08:02 AM
No Suspension
Obama Ad Hammers Bush - Doesn't mention McYellowStain
36423. concerned - 9/25/2008 11:08:25 AM
Re. 36420 -
Why did you fuck your grandmother up the ass?
Because 0bama told you to.
The above makes just as much sense as your drivel about Bush & McCain.
36424. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:09:29 AM
Why Old Yeller Hides
#
MI-Pres
Sep 25 EPIC-MRA
Obama (D) 48%, McCain (R) 38%
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PA-Pres
Sep 25 SurveyUSA
Obama (D) 50%, McCain (R) 44%
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Pres '08
Sep 25 Res. 2000
Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 43%
36425. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:11:27 AM
Tuesday - "I haven't read the Paulson Plan"
If the old shitbag knew how to use the Internets he could see his yellow lying ass on YouTube
36426. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:13:11 AM
Last week "the fundamentals are sound"
Yesterday "the economy is on the brink of depression"
Give the old bastard a double dose of his thorzine
The old fish is about to be gutted along with his porcine "soulmate"
36427. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:13:58 AM
Schmidt: Obama Should Take Ads Down
36428. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:19:01 AM
McCain Rushes Campaign to Nowhere
Why can't Ole Yeller send in Simpleton Sister Sarah? She's all inoculated against witchcraft and ready to go!
36429. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:20:52 AM
African Witchdoctor Exorcises Simpleton Sister Sarah
36430. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:24:04 AM
36431. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:25:39 AM
OOPS
Looks like they didn't need Ole Yeller after all
Bailout Deal May Be Near
Speaker Pelosi voices hope a package can be agreed upon by the end of the day.
36432. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:27:46 AM
We'll see about Witchdoctor Muthee's medicine....put a little Creole gris-gris on the bitch
36433. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:29:39 AM
OXFORD, Miss. - Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour says he expects the first presidential debate to go ahead
36434. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:33:19 AM
Obama Campaign Release on Debate Day History
HIGHLIGHTS OF MAJOR NEWS EVENTS ON DAYS OF PAST PRESIDENTIAL, VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES
36435. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:43:11 AM
Running out of time and places to hide
36436. jexster - 9/25/2008 11:47:43 AM
Now that his lobbyists have done their jobs...BACK ON THE BUS for Old Yeller
Bushville Reaches Agreement on Swindle
36437. thoughtful - 9/25/2008 12:02:58 PM
I can't wait for the vp debate...ground palin anyone?
36438. jexster - 9/25/2008 12:05:59 PM
If Ole Yeller don't show in the Delta on Friday, there's not likely to BE a VP debate
36439. jexster - 9/25/2008 12:19:09 PM
14:07
McCain camp: no change in suspended debate status
13:18
'Fundamental agreement' reached on bailout
36440. jexster - 9/25/2008 12:23:52 PM
He's got those Yellow Stain Blues....
36441. iiibbb - 9/25/2008 12:24:36 PM
The VP debate is interesting. On the one hand you have an incompetent boob... on the other hand you have someone who's prone to overstatement.
I'm pretty sure the boob will loose, but if Biden makes a big enough ass of himself... maybe it will be neutral. I haven't really taken that much of a shine to him yet.
Obama is hands over fists above McCain... I just want him up by 10 points. I can't fathom Palin as president. I was resisting the idea of Canada... but with Palin... I am not so sure anymore.
36442. jexster - 9/25/2008 12:29:24 PM
The Yellow Stain Blues
36443. thoughtful - 9/25/2008 12:31:38 PM
Yes the biggest risk on the vp debate is biden will think it's such a shoo-in that he'll get cocky, overconfident and screw up. The other risk is, people like a winner, except when they win by too much...then they like the underdog. He can look more experienced and brighter than palin, but if it looks like he's trouncing a defenseless woman, he'll lose for sure. He also can't appear condescending which will backfire just as gore's sighing did. so the balance for him will be more delicate than it might appear at first blush.
The other thing is she'll be loaded with one-liners and talking points but be only 1/8" deep...but that's all she has to be esp if they don't allow follow-up questions. What really makes her look dumb is when couric (who actually did pretty well with her) asked her the same question 3 times and revealed clearly that she has not a clue.
36444. jexster - 9/25/2008 12:38:45 PM
The VP debate will not matter unless Old Yellow Stain follows through on his threat to postpone or cancel
He's already fucked himself...will he do it again?
36445. jexster - 9/25/2008 12:53:05 PM
Old Yellow Stain panics when he's losing...Ask Sister Sarah's witchdoctor...Look for more...Sam Donaldson's got it right...TWICE "He's senile"...
36446. jexster - 9/25/2008 1:00:36 PM
Now that his bluff has been called, Obama Camp Predicts Ole Yellow Stain Will Show
36447. jexster - 9/25/2008 1:03:40 PM
Barbour: Calling Old Yellow Stain
36448. jexster - 9/25/2008 1:08:28 PM
Liberal PACs Ready Attack Ad on McCain’s Health
36449. jexster - 9/25/2008 1:14:25 PM
Slipping in the polls? Concerned that Americans may be paying more attention to the declining economy -- and even supporting economic regulation again -- than to your own stellar leadership abilities?
What's a Republican presidential nominee to do?
McCain's Ploy
By Harold Meyerson
36450. jexster - 9/25/2008 1:53:57 PM
Don't mess with Dave
Ask Orpah..he's more relevant than Old Yellow Stain...bigger audience 2
Letterman unloads on McCain for not showing up (AP)
36451. jexster - 9/25/2008 1:55:26 PM
This doesn't smell right," Letterman said. "This is not the way a tested hero behaves. Somebody's putting something in his Metamucil
36452. jexster - 9/25/2008 2:02:23 PM
What DID McCain Suspend?
The Huffington Post called 15 McCain campaign headquarters in various battleground states and could not find a single one that said that it was suspending its operations.
36453. jexster - 9/25/2008 2:12:56 PM
Financial Crisis Offers a Study in Leadership Styles
By Dan Balz, WaPo
What kind of leadership do Americans want in their president?
36454. jexster - 9/25/2008 2:38:43 PM
Call for Sister Sarah
AP
JUNEAU, Alaska - Sarah Palin felt so strongly about the public corruption indictment of a Republican state senator this summer that she urged him to resign — but not strongly enough to return the $1,000 he gave to help elect her governor.
36455. jexster - 9/25/2008 3:02:39 PM
Richard Shelby just torpedoed the Wall Street Swindle!
36456. wonkers2 - 9/25/2008 4:28:18 PM
Shelby is a pious asshole!
36457. jexster - 9/25/2008 4:30:02 PM
McCain's Image as Reformer Takes a Hit
Campaign manager's alleged ties to Freddie Mac call into question the nominee's pledge to curtail lobbying. LAT
36458. jexster - 9/25/2008 4:41:56 PM
Poll: Three-Fourths Say Debate And Campaign Should Go Forward
The Ole Lose/Lose
Ole Yellow Stain shows up he's dead
He doesn't show, he's dead meat
36459. jexster - 9/25/2008 4:49:00 PM
I'd send I'd send Sarah and her Witchdoctor
How about U ConJob? Wanna go to Mississippi...Arky put ya up
36460. jexster - 9/25/2008 4:58:46 PM
Judith needs to bust Arky out of the Foucke Town Gaol
#
AR-Pres
Sep 25 Rasmussen
McCain (R) 51%, Obama (D) 42%
36461. jexster - 9/25/2008 4:59:02 PM
Leave Jen
36462. robertjayb - 9/25/2008 5:00:44 PM
A big, really big number...
...some of the most basic details, including the $700 billion figure Treasury would use to buy up bad debt, are fuzzy.
"It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. "We just wanted to choose a really large number."
36463. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:06:21 PM
I think he really is scared of Obama because he knows that all O has to do is show up and this is over
I also think that Sam Donaldson wasn't just blowing shit when he said TWICE on Sunday that McCain's "age should be an issue" nor when WIll said it sunday and then again in his Monday column
I don't think Josh Marshall's just being snarky either. He enjoys a wide media audience and the above wasn't addressed to me
I have NEVER swallowed Nixon's bs about the War Hero
36464. robertjayb - 9/25/2008 5:13:08 PM
Oh. I was wondering how it worked...
...what does a "suspended" campaign look like? As it turns out, it's eerily similar to a regular ol' campaign.
What have we learned since McCain suspended his presidential campaign?
* McCain campaign offices in battleground states are open and operating, just like yesterday.
* McCain's television ads are on the air, just like yesterday.
* McCain media flacks are all over the news networks, just like yesterday.
* McCain's campaign staffers are working, just like yesterday.
* McCain's campaign website is up, soliciting contributions and promoting McCain's message, just like yesterday.
* For the big White House meeting today, Barack Obama was told not to bring any campaign aides, so he's bringing a legislative assistant from his Senate staff. John McCain is bringing a campaign advisor.
I don't want to alarm anyone, but I get the sinking feeling that maybe, just maybe, the "suspension" announcement was some kind of (gasp!) gimmick, and that nothing has actually changed at McCain Campaign HQ.
(Washington Monthly)
36465. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:27:11 PM
Dems Pound Old Yellow Stain, Even Some Republicans Are Critical
36466. jexster - 9/25/2008 5:38:55 PM
Bad negro
No chicken
McCain: Pressure On Us To Have Debate Tomorrow Is Obama's Fault
John McCain is doing a round of network news interviews tonight (how that gels with the suspension of his campaign is a question for the ages). And in his interview with ABC News' Charlie Gibson, McCain places the blame for the public pressure on them to go through with their debate squarely on...Barack Obama.
From the transcript:
GIBSON: Do we have a debate tomorrow night?
MCCAIN: Well I'm hopeful, very hopeful that we can. I believe that it's very possible that we can get an agreement so that --- in time for me to fly to Mississippi. I understand that there is a lot of attention on this but I also wish Senator Obama had agreed to ten or more town hall meetings that I had asked him to attend with me. Wouldn't be quite that much urgency if he agreed to do that, instead he refused to do it.
Shorter McCain: My latest political stunt would be working better right now if Obama had gone for my earlier political stunt.
Seriously, what will McCain come up with as a justification for showing up tomorrow? No one really expects him not to show, right?
36467. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:06:01 PM
Palin - Couric: Don't know much about geography
36468. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:12:49 PM
60-70,000,000 people will be tuned in to see Old Yeller heel tomorrow night
36469. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:30:17 PM
The exorcism didn't take
Couric Interview Parte Deux: Palin Calls Kissinger Naive
Call for Pastor Muthee
36470. robertjayb - 9/25/2008 6:39:56 PM
Wheels coming off?
WASHINGTON — (AP) - Urgent efforts to lash together a $700 billion rescue plan for the national economy broke apart Thursday night, hours after key lawmakers had declared they had reached a deal.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke sped to Capitol Hill to try to revive or rework the proposal that the administration says must be quickly approved by Congress to stave off economic disaster.
Congressional leaders were to meet with the economic chiefs into the nighy>
36471. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:42:05 PM
Let's hope not. Mago's already in near hysteria.
36472. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:43:26 PM
Howard Fineman was great..."McCain seems to have parachuted into a revolt in his own party. His choice now is to wind up looking silly or sillier"
36473. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:45:48 PM
First Palin, Then Campaign Suspension. What Now?
- Slate predicts McCain's next 10 Hail Mary stunts.
Just so Old Yellow Stain doesn't take his clothes off
36474. jexster - 9/25/2008 6:55:17 PM
David Frum asks:
Is the year that the U.S. government will have its first trillion-dollar budget deficit?
36475. jexster - 9/25/2008 7:10:11 PM
36476. jexster - 9/25/2008 7:12:11 PM
CNN Campbell Brown Holds Paulson, Bush Accountable For Crisis: "Seriously, What Were You Thinking?"
36477. jexster - 9/25/2008 7:16:41 PM
Pat Buchanan gets it -
36478. iiibbb - 9/25/2008 7:29:06 PM
The boss of my boss a few jobs back was an old coot who sold everything after the big drop in 1987.
Very reactionary.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about what's going on. I've been pretty calm all week figuring that we'd see a little leadership. But it seems that Bush, McCain, and Obama don't have the clout. Granted Obama's not trying to push things.
But isn't it Bush and McCain that demanded we do something and do it now? They had a deal this morning that was based on Paulson's original deal... what is the deal?
I'm not a fan of the bailout, but I don't think we need to freeze the markets.
Of course, I may have read something today that said the bonuses for Wall St. added up to 180 billion. If true, let's just start with that money. Fucking reposes it.
36479. jexster - 9/25/2008 7:44:25 PM
Shot out of the sky again
36480. jexster - 9/25/2008 7:45:19 PM
CBS/NyT
Obama +5
36481. jexster - 9/25/2008 7:47:46 PM
Clearly I3 there's going to be a huge drop in the Dow if this thing doesn't pass and a rally if it does....I don't think it much matters either way as far as the Stock Market is concerned. The fundamentals suck....In the long run, the economy is fuckt
36482. arkymalarky - 9/25/2008 7:49:57 PM
I'm not understanding past this move. Borrow money from the in-debt-to-its-ears government so you won't be maxed out in your lending and collapsing and so that you can loan it out??? At some point someone's going to have to come up with some real damned money, right? This makes my head hurt.
I also don't know why they don't move to cover retirement and insurance first and then go from there. And every CEO, according to Bob, should be held personally liable for what happened and have to put in every dime of liquid assets they have to pay this down. A drop in the bucket, yes, but it would send a good message to future CEOs who use questionable practices to circumvent laws and regulations and treat everything like it's part of their personal Monopoly game.
36483. iiibbb - 9/25/2008 7:51:17 PM
Financial crisis timeline
July 12th, 2007
"This is far and away the strongest global economy I've seen in my business lifetime."
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
April 20th, 2007
"I don't see (subprime mortgage market troubles) imposing a serious problem. I think it's going to be largely contained."
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
May 17th, 2007
"Given the fundamental factors in place that should support the demand for housing, we believe the effect of the troubles in the subprime sector on the broader housing market will likely be limited,"
-- Ben Bernanke (Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
August 1st, 2007
"The market has focused on this. There's a wake-up call, and there's an adjustment to this repricing of risk, but I see the underlying economy as being very healthy,"
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
February 28th, 2008
"I'm seeing a series of ideas suggested involving major government intervention in the housing market, and these things are usually presented or sold as a way of helping homeowners stay in their homes. Then when you look at them more carefully what they really amount to is a bailout for financial institutions or Wall Street."
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
March 16th, 2008
"We've got strong financial institutions . . . Our markets are the envy of the world. They're resilient, they're...innovative, they're flexible. I think we move very quickly to address situations in this country, and, as I said, our financial institutions are strong."
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
36484. iiibbb - 9/25/2008 7:51:31 PM
May 7th, 2008
"The worst is likely to be behind us,"
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
May 16th, 2008
"In my judgment, we are closer to the end of the market turmoil than the beginning,"
"I have great, great confidence in our capital markets and financial instituations"
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
May 19th, 2008
"Our policy in this administration is that laws shouldn't bail out lenders, laws shouldn't help out speculators,"
-- George Bush
July 11th, 2008
Indymac seized by federal regulators
July 15th, 2008
"I think the system is basicaly sound, I truly do."
--George Bush
July 20th, 2008
"it's a safe banking system, a sound banking system. Our regulators are on top of it. This is a very manageable situation."
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
September 7th, 2008
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac taken over by federal regulators.
September 7th, 2008
"Nothing about our actions today in any way reflects a changed view of the housing correction or of the strength of other U.S. financial institutions."
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
September 15th, 2008
Lehman Brothers files for bankruptcy
September 16th, 2008
Government takes over AIG (American International Group)
September 19th, 2008
Government bans short selling
September 19th, 2008
"We must now take further, decisive action to fundamentally and comprehensively address the root cause of our financial system's stresses,"
"We're talking hundreds of billions. This needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get at the heart of the problem,"
-- Henry Paulson (US Treasury Secretary)
September 20th, 2008
Bush asks congress for $700 billion to avert catastrophic, economic meltdown.
36485. iiibbb - 9/25/2008 7:51:56 PM
Concerned... Bush sucks
Worst
President
Ever
36486. jexster - 9/25/2008 7:55:30 PM
Good catch!
I just hope the Dems aren't dumb enough to let them off the hook
This won't be any more of a mess in 40 days than today.
36487. arkymalarky - 9/25/2008 8:02:03 PM
Had there been any doubt of that before now, 3i, this event sealed it. Bush trumps them all. Not that this might not have happened to some degree under Kerry because some of these practices started after Bush I's bank failure and through the Clinton years. But it wouldn't have happened at all, I don't believe, had Gore's victory not been overturned by the Supreme Court in 2000.
36488. arkymalarky - 9/25/2008 8:03:59 PM
I can see the Republicans are screaming "crisis!" then sabotaging their own deal with the help of Senator McCain. This is the most pathetic display I've seen in my lifetime. If Con'd continues to think the GOP hasn't set out to ruin this country, he deserves the results of their actions, including no tax cut.
But I don't deserve it!
36489. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:08:19 PM
The Democrats are dumb enough to let them off the hook
Make them support Bush or no deal
36490. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:10:40 PM
Frank - If the House Republicans continue to reject Bush's approach
NO DEAL
Ole Yellow Stain parachuted into another world of shit
3/4 of Americans want his ass in Oxford tomorrow night
36491. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:14:55 PM
Things are falling apart fast..They're worse now than they were before Old Yellow Stain fell from the sky again.
36492. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:21:52 PM
Intrade has Obama at 57, McShameful at 41...this is going to be a slaughter
36493. arkymalarky - 9/25/2008 8:27:33 PM
If it's not, there's only one reason. I won't keep repeating what it is, but there's no way such an incompetent candidate as McCain would be anywhere close in any poll, particularly against a candidate as strong as Obama.
36494. arkymalarky - 9/25/2008 8:28:23 PM
At what point, once the free-market lemings go off the cliff, do they begin to realize they're drowning?
36495. arkymalarky - 9/25/2008 8:28:41 PM
lemmings
36496. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:37:14 PM
Washington Mutual, the giant lender that came to symbolize the excesses of the mortgage boom, was seized by federal regulators on Thursday night, in what is by far the largest bank failure in American history.
The Great Crash
36497. iiibbb - 9/25/2008 8:37:52 PM
I wonder if this is just my past 20 months of bad luck finally leaking into the rest of the world.
36498. iiibbb - 9/25/2008 8:38:14 PM
I might be the antichrist.
36499. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:44:42 PM
I said the same to my bro I3...
Maybe we should split cost of a Witchdoctor
36500. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:46:50 PM
McSame's Crash n Burn
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and ELISABETH BUMILLER
The day’s events raised questions about why Senator John McCain had called for postponing the first debate — and what his own views were about the bailout plan.
36501. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:53:57 PM
The article reports that Lehrer will ask questions about the McBush Financial Crisis
36502. jexster - 9/25/2008 8:54:36 PM
If Old Yellow Stain shows up
36503. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:05:26 PM
36504. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:08:01 PM
Palin Accepted $25,000 in Gifts, Alaska Records Show
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who has made a crackdown on gift-giving to state officials a centerpiece of her ethics reform agenda, has accepted gifts valued at $25,367 from industry executives, municipalities and a cultural center whose board includes officials from some of the largest mining interests in the state, a review of state records shows.
36505. jexster - 9/25/2008 9:10:57 PM
Ivory puffin mask???
There's her problem...She needs another excorcism. That's bad gris-gris
Palin forwarded her ethics proposals to the legislature in January 2007, her first month in office. That month, she accepted three gifts from Calista's chief executive, Matthew Nicolai: a $2,200 ivory puffin mask, a woven grass fan worth $300 and a $150 ivory necklace. Nicolai, who did not return phone calls, runs the large corporation, which profits from a multibillion-dollar gold-mining operation on its land
36506. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 5:24:26 AM
Wonkers has Michigan under control!
36507. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 5:38:53 AM
McCain's ploy raises questions
September 26, 2008
From the Detroit Free Press Editorial page:
As political decisions go, Sen. John McCain's abrupt call to halt his presidential campaign so he can focus exclusively on the nation's financial crisis looks impulsive and ill-advised.
Advertisement
But then, it also looks like John McCain, who is giving voters a glimpse into the way he would do things -- quickly, dramatically, and either boldly or recklessly, probably depending in this case on your politics.
For all the virtue of his straight talk, decisiveness and firm, stalwart demeanor, there has always been a flip side to McCain of haste to get something done. Back in 1994, there was a quick call for bombing North Korea if severe sanctions did not discourage that country's nuclear weapons program. Then the out-loud speculation that the post-9/11 anthrax attacks came from Iraq. And most recently, there was his politically stunning choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate after two meetings six months apart and a telephone conversation.
Once his mind is made up, he will not be deterred.
The decision to stop campaigning -- perhaps intended to shame Democratic hopeful Barack Obama into doing the same -- was as brash and ill thought-out as any of McCain's impulsive moves. It looked insincere coming from a guy who has missed hundreds of votes in the Senate this year so he could keep campaigning. The acknowledgement of an "all hands on deck" crisis seemed even stranger coming from a candidate who just 10 days ago was sounding off about the "fundamentals" of the economy being sound.
Obama suggested those who aspire to the presidency should be able to multitask -- run for office and do their Senate jobs, in this case.
Obama also pointed out that now, when the public is focused on the crisis, is precisely the time for the candidates to engage in a thoughtful, spirited discussion of their economic ideas.
On balance, McCain's showy campaign halt and accompanying call for postponing the first debate looks more like a ploy. It serves mainly to raise questions about how he would conduct himself as president.
36508. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 7:18:29 AM
Bush's bailout sucks. It sucked last week. It sucks this week. They had all of last week to think about it. They wrote a 3-page plan over the weekend. McCain still hadn't read it by Wednesday according to an interview. They have a plan worked out. McCain and Bush show up. And the plan is scuttled.
At one point during the meeting McCain was asked what he thought... and after nearly 2 weeks... he had one non-committal sentence to offer as a leader.
This is leadership?
At one point, several minutes into the session, Obama said it was time to hear from McCain. According to a Republican who was there, “all he said was, ’I support the principles that House Republicans are fighting for.”’
36509. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 7:46:28 AM
Palin said that her administration when faced with a challenge wouldn't blink.
McCain has just blinked.
Or maybe it doesn't count as blinking because his eyes have been shut for so long.
36510. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 7:46:48 AM
Krugman: "Where are the grown-ups?"
36511. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 7:47:04 AM
toys
36512. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 7:57:41 AM
Obama putting our false campaign ads to match McSame I don't like this!
36513. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 8:08:00 AM
One mealy-mouthed fucking sentence.
If I had one micron of hope left for McCain it has been squashed.
If he'd gone ahead and said "We can't bail it out" that would've been better. Probably better for him in the polls... the buyout is wildly unpopular.
Nope... he blinked.
Concerned... where the fuck are you... explain this shit to this independent.
36514. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:19:06 AM
NEW YORK - David Letterman kept up his verbal assault on John McCain, commiserating with Paris Hilton and saying he felt like an "ugly date" because the GOP presidential candidate backed out of an appearance on the "Late Show."
The late night CBS comedian was upset Wednesday when McCain canceled an appearance to deal with the economic crisis. After backing out of the Letterman show, McCain sat for an interview with Katie Couric, then didn't leave New York until Thursday, further angering Letterman.
At first, Letterman said, he felt like a "patriot" to let McCain off.
"Now I'm feeling like an ugly date," Letterman said. "I feel used. I feel cheap. I feel sullied."
36515. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 8:24:04 AM
36516. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:44:08 AM
You are supposed to hold your arms CLOSE TO THE BODY on ejection.
on ejection. If you don't you spend the rest of your life looking like a dork who can't raise his arms
Bush's Bailout Meeting Ends in Disarray; McCain Gets Blame
McClatchy Newspapers
36517. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:45:46 AM
36503..don't make fun of him. Atrios says he has a problem with his eyes which may be due to his malignant metastasized melanoma
36518. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:51:47 AM
Obama's now outside the margin of error in Rasmussen, a poll that is maddening for its stability throughout this cycle
36519. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:55:38 AM
Anyway Old Yellow Stain's trying to flip flop his way to Oxford and I am more concerned that Rocky won't be able to fly in for the funeral than I am over whether I3 remains an independent or that Wonkers self-righteous limo liberal PC feelings are hurt
36520. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:07:53 AM
Learnin Ole Yeller to heel - ***How does McCain justify showing up at tonight's debate even if a bailout plan hasn't passed? Move the bar a bit. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) now says: "What's more important than anything that when we go to Mississippi tonight, both candidates can say that the Congress is working ...
36521. thoughtful - 9/26/2008 9:15:50 AM
Why do gopers always believe that the poor have enough money, but the rich never do???
36522. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:27:07 AM
Wizzer..went viral with Bullwinkle...immediate resp from Obama listserv...except for one guy who's so freaked over the bailout he lashed me for not being sufficiently serious to the state of the nation
36523. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 9:34:38 AM
Looks to me that McSame's cutting and running from the debate in Mississippi and the one over the Bush-Paulson proposal.
36524. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:36:33 AM
Stunt over.
36525. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:39:39 AM
Next stunt - Sarah mud wrestles Witchdoctor Muthee
WASHINGTON - An Associated Press-Knowledge Networks poll shows little public support for President Bush's proposed $700 billion federal bailout of the financial industry.
Only 30 percent say they support Bush's package. The president says the bailout is urgently needed, but it has run aground after House Republicans rebelled. Another 45 percent oppose Bush's plan, while 25 percent are unsure. There is solid opposition among Republicans, Democrats and independents.
The same survey shows little expectation a bailout will work. It also shows most want Friday night's presidential debate to go on as scheduled. Republican candidate John McCain said Friday he would attend, after initially saying he wouldn't unless agreement was reached on a rescue plan
36526. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:44:16 AM
Economists Favor Obama
politicalwire.com — A new poll of economists finds Sen. Barack Obama is overwhelmingly preferred over Sen. John McCain by a 66% to 28% margin.
36527. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:48:18 AM
i3..I have just received word from Concerned via my Limbaugh8000 tin foil unit...
He send regrets..busy on lawsuit to challenge the Birth Certificate and overturn President Obama's election
36528. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:58:03 AM
36529. jexster - 9/26/2008 10:00:31 AM
Thanks for the memories Simple Sister
36530. jexster - 9/26/2008 10:08:27 AM
CQ: Obama Surges in Red States
36531. jexster - 9/26/2008 10:11:21 AM
Letterman's having a field day...or more like field month
He went off on Oprah for 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken
Letterman's Top 10 list was "surprising facts about Sarah Palin," read by citizens of Wasilla, Ala., where she was once mayor.
No. 10: Palin "sometimes calls John McCain grandpa."
36532. jexster - 9/26/2008 10:42:38 AM
No Store for Old Men
Pottery: Barn Rule, Now that McStain Broke the Bailout, He Owns the Bailout
ABC News
36533. jexster - 9/26/2008 10:55:09 AM
Iraq's falling apart.
North Korea's reneged
Russia's still in Georgia, not leaving
Pakistan's shooting at our helicopters
Petraeus says Afghanistan is even a bigger disaster than Iraq
Reports leaked that the US vetoed and Israeli attack on Iran
Katie Couric makes Palin look like a total ditzbrain on "no second guessing Israel because Israel good, Iran Bad"
A comedy tonight
36534. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:11:48 AM
We'll Rebuild the Grand Old Party!
36535. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:13:41 AM
xZDkwNTE=>National Review OnLine - The Palin Problem
36536. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:18:45 AM
Unbroked
National Review OnLine - The Palin Problem
36537. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:21:26 AM
If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.
36538. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:24:38 AM
Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.
No one hates saying that more than I do.
36539. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 11:27:17 AM
My wife is Jewish... even though her grandparents would not have liked me... and are not alive anymore... and weren't in Florida...
36540. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:31:48 AM
That means your children will be Jewish and you can move to Israel if things get too rough over here!
Lucky man
36541. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:32:57 AM
i3 is sorta the male counterpart of the golden shiksa!
36542. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 11:36:52 AM
I'm not sure if they would count as Jews among the more conservative Jews...
The most I had to offer children was a name that sound more Jewish than hers.
36543. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:38:21 AM
New Pastor Problem
Huckabeast Calls McYellowStain Debate Stunt a "Huge Mistake"
36544. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:51:10 AM
I don't think it matters I3
She carries the Blood Curse..different subject entirely..ask Jen
36545. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:52:28 AM
This oughta please the Michigan Marmot
Afghan Elders Warn Next US Pres Against Sending More Troops to Rat Hole
Fuckin Loya JirgOff
36546. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:53:18 AM
Stoopid Ole Dog Tricks
Cillizza: McStain Stunt Didn't Pan Out
That's why WaPo pays him the Big Bucks
36547. jexster - 9/26/2008 12:04:48 PM
Gay or God's Plan?
36548. David Ehrenstein - 9/26/2008 12:17:34 PM
DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU
The "word on the street" (cyber division) is that "terrorist attack" will be staged in order to call the election off.
36549. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 12:27:40 PM
All that will prove is that Bush is a failure at protecting our borders.
The nutjob board I'm on... that's always a "stat" the flaunt... "How many attacks since 9-11?"
36550. concerned - 9/26/2008 12:58:40 PM
Who are you to say that is 'nutjob'?
36551. magoseph - 9/26/2008 12:59:15 PM
Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.
EXCERPT--No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.
Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”
36552. concerned - 9/26/2008 1:01:16 PM
The subprime mortgage crisis explained, with multiple irrefutable references. Pass it around if you respect the intelligence of your friends and associates and have goodwill toward them.
36553. concerned - 9/26/2008 1:05:20 PM
The subprime mortgage crisis explained, with multiple irrefutable references. Pass it around if you respect the intelligence of your friends and associates and have goodwill toward them.
36554. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 1:34:09 PM
Message # 36550
Well... it's the board where the people are supporting a candidate who believes in witchcraft... for one.
...say Concerned... since you're here.... who's the leader of the Republican party right now? I thought it was McCain was, but when he had a chance to "lead", he didn't.
Then I thought maybe it was still Bush who was in charge... but the Republican's aren't behind his plan... and drafted something behind his back.
Maybe they should run the guy who's running things.
36555. jexster - 9/26/2008 1:40:47 PM
Just back from visit to SF Headquarters where precinct work is being organized.
This is the capital of Blue America. The Dem can get 80%+ of the vote without batting an eyelash in a state Obama should carry by 15 or so.
They're ramping up phone banking and precinct walking in every neighborhood.
They are also running a precinct and phone bank operation to Reno/Tahoe
There were 20 volunteers on the phone..weekday
Unbelievable
Unprecedented
Just imagine what's going down in BATTLEGROUND states.
36556. David Ehrenstein - 9/26/2008 1:41:50 PM
Fabulous video of "concerned" 's family!
36557. jexster - 9/26/2008 1:45:22 PM
MSNBC's running the Couric Palin abortion over and over in the regular cycle
36558. concerned - 9/26/2008 1:45:32 PM
Re. 36554 -
Wiccan? Well, that's a bit over the edge.
36559. jexster - 9/26/2008 1:47:49 PM
The National Review
36560. concerned - 9/26/2008 1:48:16 PM
Re. 36554 -
GWB seems to have wanted to do whatever it took to get an agreement out the door asap. I don't know if or why he failed to consult with other Republicans. McCain's presence apparently stimulated Democrats to move faster than they otherwise would have to finalize a proposal.
36561. jexster - 9/26/2008 1:49:58 PM
36562. jexster - 9/26/2008 1:50:43 PM
Pastor Problem: That Old Black Magic
36563. Wombat - 9/26/2008 1:54:28 PM
McCain's campaign seems to have ADHD. Ritalin anyone? Sarah Palin: the gift that keeps on giving. Right Concerned? Can you argue with a straight face that Sarah Palin can run this country?
36564. jexster - 9/26/2008 1:54:57 PM
That Ole Black Magic
36565. jexster - 9/26/2008 1:56:52 PM
The McStain Campaign is falling apart
Remember those stupid talking points ConJob was trying to peddle about how BAD Obama would be in debate? Can't talk without a teleprompter?
Seems the nitwits remembered - RAISE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE OTHER GUY
Now they're frantically attacking Ole Yeller for being a dumb ass
36566. jexster - 9/26/2008 2:05:59 PM
You can't make this shit up
FROM NO-SHOW
TO SELF-DECLARED VICTOR
PREMATURE MCCAIN AD DECLARES HE WON DEBATE
36567. thoughtful - 9/26/2008 2:08:40 PM
More IOKIYAR
Mccain not being called a flip flopper despite his flip flops on yes we can debate, no we can't debate, yes the economy is fine, no the economy is a disaster, yes you're all a bunch of whiners, no you have a lot to whine about....
Can you imagine what the gopers would be saying if a dem did that????
36568. jexster - 9/26/2008 2:13:33 PM
36569. jexster - 9/26/2008 2:18:55 PM
The Republcan line now via my KarlRove9000 Tinfoil Hat and MSNBC - Obama put a gun to Old Yeller's Head
36570. jexster - 9/26/2008 2:26:55 PM
And here I thought ConJob was working on the SCOTUS Partial Birth Abortion Brief....
I understand the nitwit is an electronics genius!
I've an upgrade kit for his DUHbya2000...special price for MORANS
36571. jexster - 9/26/2008 2:43:11 PM
Next stunt - throw Miss Piggy under the DoubleTalk Express??????
36572. jexster - 9/26/2008 3:07:22 PM
I just got an email from a retired friend who does part time work for the Fairfax County VA dept of elections
He reports that Obama Voter Protection Teams are fanning out over the state.
They've been recruiting lawyers
I am to go to Northern NV..If I can figure out the logistics
36573. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 3:07:38 PM
36574. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 3:11:26 PM
Sarah Palin's Alaskan Armageddon . . .
36575. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 3:17:19 PM
Where can I get my Mooselini T-shirt?
36576. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 3:18:17 PM
36577. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 3:20:03 PM
36578. jexster - 9/26/2008 3:22:50 PM
WAAABITTT!
36579. jexster - 9/26/2008 3:23:18 PM
36580. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 3:26:20 PM
Sorry!
36581. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 3:30:45 PM
Wait! I'm confused! Is "wonkers2," Mrs. wonkers?
I put those images there for the Cap'n!
36582. jexster - 9/26/2008 3:46:32 PM
The filthy Old Plutocrat
His wife's a doll
36583. jexster - 9/26/2008 3:51:46 PM
A fun 39 days left
You can't make this up
(WaPo)
"It just proves his campaign is governed by tactics and not ideology," said Republican consultant Craig Shirley, who advised McCain earlier in this cycle. "In the end, he blinked and Obama did not. The 'steady hand in a storm' argument looks now to more favor Obama, not McCain."
Shirley added, "My guess is that plasma units are rushing to the McCain campaign as we speak to replace the blood flowing there from the fights among the staff."
....
36584. jexster - 9/26/2008 4:00:28 PM
The Politico:
A growing number of Republicans are expressing concern about Sarah Palin's uneven -- and sometimes downright awkward -- performances in her limited media appearances.
Conservative columnists Kathleen Parker, a former Palin supporter, says the vice presidential nominee should step aside. Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing on the conservative National Review, says "that's not a crazy suggestion" and that "something's gotta change."
Tony Fabrizio, a GOP strategist, says Palin's recent CBS appearance isn't disqualifying but is certainly alarming. "You can't continue to have interviews like that and not take on water."
36585. robertjayb - 9/26/2008 4:09:52 PM
More to come?
Wachovia has begun preliminary talks with Citigroup about a potential merger, people briefed on the matter said Friday afternoon.
Feelers have also been extended between Wachovia and Wells Fargo and Spain’s Banco Santander, these people said.
These talks are early, however, and no deal may emerge from them. But it appears that Wachovia is seeking out potential alternatives should the financial rescue package being debated in Washington is not quickly passed, or fails to provide enough help.
Wachovia, the big bank headquartered in Charlotte, N.C., has been under increasing pressure in recent weeks amid the turmoil gripping the banking sector.
(NYTimes)
36586. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 4:24:52 PM
Wow. I always thought Wachovia was a stable, conservative bank. I heard two "experts" on Diane Rehm a couple of days ago say that the bank/financial industry had over expanded and that there are too many banks and it would be healthy for the industry and the economy for a whole bunch of them to be allowed to fail.
When I moved to Detroit more years ago than I care to remember there were four car companies and three banks. Now there must be 50 separate, independent banks. There are almost as many bank branches as there are filling stations. I've wondered how there could be enough business for all of them especially since the southern Michigan economy has been declining since the early 1980s. I just learned that my local bank, Charter One, is a subsidiary of the Royal Bank of Scotland. It was a savings and loan when I opened my account there.
36587. wonkers2 - 9/26/2008 4:45:03 PM
A Michigan bank directory lists more than 500 branches of around 50 banks in Oakland County alone. There can't be many more filling stations. I wonder what attracted so many banks to put so many branches in a depressed state like Michigan. Perhaps the subprime mortgage boom??
36588. jexster - 9/26/2008 5:21:52 PM
36589. jexster - 9/26/2008 5:34:09 PM
Cafferty: Palin's a Friggin Embarrassment
36590. jexster - 9/26/2008 5:47:10 PM
made2scream_
9/26/2008 3:09:04 PM
Palin is one scoop short of an eskimo pie.
36591. jexster - 9/26/2008 5:48:15 PM
Main St.'s headed for the crapper and Wonkers is worried about his bancshares.
36592. jexster - 9/26/2008 6:00:47 PM
9/26: Rasmussen VA: Obama 50%, McCain 45%
36593. jexster - 9/26/2008 6:09:48 PM
Just got a listserv email from a woman who is headed to GOTV in Denver thanks to Travel For Change..Obamanoids pool their frequent flier miles and the needy volunteers apply
36594. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2008 6:53:09 PM
Wow! Sarah Pathetic looked like a pretty, (pretty confused) eighth grader, trying to pass an oral civics test she didn't study for or care about. No wonder so many lazy, god-fearing greedy hypocrites, love her --self-love and self-interest wins out in so many RepubliSheeps!
36595. jexster - 9/26/2008 6:53:57 PM
Bush2000 Tin Foil Hat Communication....
TALKING POINT - If McCain looks a little old and tired tonight, it is because he's been putting country first......(Howard Fineman)
36596. jexster - 9/26/2008 6:54:51 PM
Wonkers would clip his bond coupons while drinking her bath water
36597. jexster - 9/26/2008 7:07:44 PM
and I've been around a little while
What's wrong with his arms?
36598. jexster - 9/26/2008 7:11:00 PM
McCain: A lot of us saw this trainwreck coming...
Has he written a letter of resignation like Ike?
36599. jexster - 9/26/2008 7:17:20 PM
Obama's wearing a flag pin
Is Ole Yellow Stain ashamed of Old Glory?
36600. jexster - 9/26/2008 7:35:16 PM
Holy shit..the old man just took a detour to gaga land....Obama's Save 10 billion a month when Iraq has a surplus sends McSenile to energy
36601. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:02:10 PM
Obama might as well suspend his campaign
McSenile: If Obama's plan had been adopted most of our troops would already be home
36602. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:08:05 PM
Vote for me I'm Old
and sing songs about bombing Iran
36603. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:23:01 PM
Obama's waaay to far out on Georgia...should have slammed the loser....wait a minute...now he's going there
McSenile still thinks we're all Georgians
36604. jexster - 9/26/2008 8:34:19 PM
I am old vote for me
36605. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:04:41 PM
Nice he remind us that Sarah would be at his side
36606. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:26:26 PM
But she isn't!!!!
36607. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 9:32:33 PM
Biden is doing a decent follow up.
Obama needs to pick up his punch a little bit... and he needs to not allow McCain to sneak in the last word.
I think they both did okay. I'm not a good judge of how fence-sitters will see it.
The least fair question to both of them is how the bailout will affect programs. The bailout hasn't even been defined yet and we're entering uncharted territory. It's impossible for either one of them to say. I was underwhelmed by McCain's idea of freezing everything. Obama's point about 300 billion in tax cuts is way more than 18 billion in programs was strong, but seemed to get muted.
36608. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 9:32:50 PM
Won't know until the polls.
36609. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 9:33:18 PM
Just to get rid of the penis...
36610. iiibbb - 9/26/2008 9:33:38 PM
one more... thanks for the eyesore Wiz
36611. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:45:36 PM
McCain's got a bad body language problem...
Those arms...
36612. jexster - 9/26/2008 9:49:08 PM
I am experienced..you are a young, naive, whipper snapper who doesn't know what he is talking about..You aren't qualified to be president
That's what McCain wanted viewers to come away with. That was so obviously his standard he had to blurt it out several times so we'd be sure to get it
By that standard, he failed miserably
I can't get past the deformity...those dorky old arms
I don't know whether to laugh or cringe
So I do both
36613. jexster - 9/26/2008 10:27:31 PM
Ask I3 and YHWH will heareth thee
36614. jexster - 9/26/2008 10:35:07 PM
If the public likes the way things are going, Obama's toast
36615. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:10:02 PM
Wonder why people liked Obama so much more??
The old man's got some anger issues
36616. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:16:25 PM
So McSenile thinks Pakistan was a "Failed state" when Musharaff staged his coup?
Does he know where Spain is?
36617. jexster - 9/26/2008 11:17:32 PM
Look out Simpleton Sister..bring witchdoctor
McCain hid Palin post-debate but Biden is smoking
36618. concerned - 9/27/2008 12:11:33 AM
Well, at least Hussein 0bama did not cry, plead for mercy or forget the name of any world leader, so the MSM will probably call the debate a 'tie'.
36619. concerned - 9/27/2008 12:13:05 AM
I'm afraid Palin might have to change Biden's Depends on stage after he experiences a few of her ripostes.
36620. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:13:03 AM
Oh you mean like this
36621. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:13:45 AM
the MSM will probably call the debate a 'tie'.
That's not what the viewers called it
36622. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:15:21 AM
So I guess ConJob isn't going along with the National Review
If BS were money, Palin could bailout Wall St
36623. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:27:03 AM
If you were wasting time watching the post-debate palaver, you may have missed Bill Moyers's interview of conservative historian Andrew Bacevich discussing his new book
Don't
36624. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:39:43 AM
36625. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:45:30 AM
Maybe next time the old war coward will find it in him to look Obama in the eye like a man
36626. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:53:20 AM
SEC Chief Concedes That GOP Lax Regulation Fueled US Financial Collapse
Like Obama's been saying for over a year
He'll be President in 4 months. Then we can begin to clean up their mess
36627. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:56:34 AM
Christopher Cox..His photo reminded me. Now I won't just remember him as the man McStain wanted to fire two days before he didn't.
36628. David Ehrenstein - 9/27/2008 7:43:33 AM
36629. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 7:47:16 AM
I slept on it.
I lean toward a tie on the debate, but feel that Obama exceeded my expectations on foreign policy... McCain took some control during economics. I still think Obama is stronger on economics, but he needs to do a better job explaining the excesses inherent in McCain's plan, and where Obama's investments, pay out as savings in other ways.
Obama needs to link McCain's plan to deregulate the health industry to what just happened in the banking industry.
36630. jexster - 9/27/2008 9:30:26 AM
Obama not only kicked butt with the two snap polls he also kicked ass in the focus groups
This one - I like the guy even though many netroots libs hate him - Frank Luntz.
36631. jexster - 9/27/2008 9:34:03 AM
That likeability wipeout in the CNN poll 61-26 is reflected in both the Luntz and the Democracy Corps focus groups. More important in my view than the tie/w/l score, more important than tie goes to Obama is that likeability number
36632. jexster - 9/27/2008 9:34:39 AM
OOO brainstorm..next stunt - a shoulders lube
36633. jexster - 9/27/2008 9:40:50 AM
John Judis aka i3:
What did Obama have to do? Like Reagan in 1980, he had to reassure voters that he wouldn't bite them. In Obama's case, that mean assuring them he was not a black radical or Muslim and that he had a sufficient command of foreign policy to run the country. He did that. McCain, on the other hand, did reasonably well--he escaped the economic discussion unscathed and showed himself knowledgeable about foreign affairs--but he needed to show Obama up and he didn't. He did well, but not well enough to change the race.
36634. jexster - 9/27/2008 9:51:19 AM
Sister SoulMate MIA
McSame Muzzles Palin After Debate
36635. jexster - 9/27/2008 9:55:52 AM
I still think VP debates matter less than a tinker's dam but this National Review inspired thing that Simpleton Sister is 1 scoop short of an Eskimo Pie if it continues to Thursday gives Biden the opportunity to make a real difference on the question of McSame's judgment in picking someone so "out of her league"
Maybe all he needs to do to accomplish the task is let her talk...did you note how she kept looking down at her notes as she rambled incoherently in answer to Couric's Meltdown question?
That's bad...the one question they could be certain she'd get
Sarah will be burning the midnight oil this week
36636. jexster - 9/27/2008 10:05:15 AM
Oh no, tell me Biden doesn't have to worry about the Giant American Pity Pot
The mood over Sarah Palin is changing. Her political naysayers used to delight in her floundering her way through interviews (okay, that one interview with Charlie Gibson). They enjoyed pointing out her lack of credentials. But her interview with Katie Couric over the past two nights has elicited a different response — like cringing. No longer is there joy in Palin's struggles. Watching her has become like watching one of those hopeless singers trying out for American Idol: First you laugh. Then you laugh some more. Maybe after that you laugh a little bit more. And as the talentless contestant soldiers on, despite the judges' derision, it hits you that this person, despite their best efforts, doesn't even realize that they don't have what it takes. And that makes you kind of sad
36637. arkymalarky - 9/27/2008 10:06:43 AM
I agree with 3i and John Judis. I also think it wouldn't actually have helped Obama if he'd appeared far better than McCain, so I think he played it smart.
36638. arkymalarky - 9/27/2008 10:09:03 AM
Biden needs to be the same with Palin, imo. Let her hang herself with her own performance and don't pile on.
36639. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 10:15:43 AM
So, I still think Obama is stronger on economics, but he needs to do a better job explaining the excesses inherent in McCain's plan, and where Obama's investments, pay out as savings in other ways.
Obama needs to link McCain's plan to deregulate the health industry to what just happened in the banking industry.
Weakest point Obama made was talking about the business tax. McCain said it was the 2nd highest. Obama said it was low because of loopholes, and then seemed to say he was going to close loopholes and/or raise the rate. He needs to do something to spell that out. Does it affect small/medium businesses the way McCain said?
Neither one of them gave a good response to the question about how the bailout will affect their program plans. I don't think that was a fair question. No one knows how this crisis is going to play out. There is no president for it; there isn't even an official plan on the table. How the plan will affect their programs is really unanswerable at the moment it seems to me.
36640. jexster - 9/27/2008 10:20:43 AM
I missed what he said when Obama hit him on the coming War on Spain but KOS posted a clip...twice McGrumpy muttered under his breath - "horseshit"
En espanol? mierdo de caballo????
36641. arkymalarky - 9/27/2008 10:30:07 AM
Haha! Love your typo there, 3i: "There is no president for it...." You can say that again.
36642. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 10:34:38 AM
oops
36643. David Ehrenstein - 9/27/2008 11:14:40 AM
Latest FaBlog: Buckaroo Banzai vs. The World Crime League
36644. jexster - 9/27/2008 12:00:02 PM
I don't disagree with I3 Arky or Judis, I just approach the question of who won differently
McCain is behind and falling further behind in a race that is moving to the point where preferences fix. We're not there yet. We will be in about 2 weeks after the last debate.
But still there are only 38 days left in a race where Obama's got a 6-7 point advantage and McCain has never led outside the MOE and then only briefly.
The country's fuckt and people are angry. Most of the undecideds want to vote against Bush/McCain..they want change.
Why do you think McCain pulled the Palin and Suspension stunts...he knows time is running out on him and that he's going to lose this race
36645. alistairconnor - 9/27/2008 12:48:09 PM
I also think it wouldn't actually have helped Obama if he'd appeared far better than McCain, so I think he played it smart.
Very astute Arky... he has to avoid looking too smart. There are so many pitfalls.
The current economic crisis is to McCain's disadvantage, because it's a complicated thing that requires a nuanced response, and that is what Obama is good at.
The real danger is the October surprise... some diabolical enemy that McCain can heroically stand up to.
Any bets?
36646. jexster - 9/27/2008 1:03:15 PM
Yes I second AC...If Obama had ripped the old man and provoked him - McCain was close to blowing his stack all night..Obama would have "won" the debate on substance but lost the debate because people would have thought him unstable and disrespectful...he has a higher bar on the "CIC comfort test" that's why the likeability thing is most significant.
I have NO idea what stunt McCain will try to pull next. Bush is too weak to be able to help him out, so he'll have to do it all by himself...
Slate's list:
36647. jexster - 9/27/2008 1:11:01 PM
Fresh from grading 23 of them, Hillary's Research Director with 3 Rules for Figuring Out Who Won a Debate:
36648. jexster - 9/27/2008 1:14:05 PM
Jizzrael might help/hurt by bomb..bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran..Probably a Hail Mary that Mentum would stick in the Wailing Wall but that ain't gonna happen because a)the US has already veto'ed it and b) Israel's politics are presently highly unstable
36649. jexster - 9/27/2008 1:15:49 PM
** Palin keeps up with the silly "We shouldn't second guess Israel" talking point, I am convinced, because McMentum wants to send the likudniks a signal on a wing and a prayer
36650. jexster - 9/27/2008 1:25:41 PM
DR Wang..if eRection heRd today
# As of September 27, 12:00PM EDT:
# Obama: 304
# McCain: 234
36651. jexster - 9/27/2008 1:42:25 PM
Nate Silver and I think alike
Cause each of us asks the same question
Likability
Why Voters Think Obama Won
36652. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 2:00:31 PM
HORSESHIT!
36653. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:09:02 PM
I slept like a baby
Maybe that's because having figured out last night at about30 minutes into that Obama had won the debate because he achieved his goal of winning and having NO dreams of being a high school debate judge, I didn't have to sleep on anything but my pillow
Having Slept On It
In my initial reaction last night, I wrote that while I thought the debate was basically a draw, that amounted to a narrow win for Obama since foreign policy is supposed to be John McCain's forte. Now, after half a day, with more time to think about it and the benefit of seeing initial polling data and surveying other people's reactions, I'm only confirmed in that view.
In fact, I think it was a much bigger win for Obama than I was ready to figure last night. And that's for two basic reasons....
(ed.note: For some very acute debate analysis from a very experienced hand, see this post from James Fallows.)
--Josh Marshall
36654. jexster - 9/27/2008 2:14:45 PM
Obama played it SO cool last night. I would have given in to the temptation to savage the senile old fuck but that's why he's going to be President. I hope to see McYellowStain pitch a PTSD fit at some point within the next 38 days before he's retired
36655. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 2:42:34 PM
horseshit
36656. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/27/2008 3:52:48 PM
36657. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/27/2008 4:18:18 PM
36658. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/27/2008 4:39:11 PM
36659. jexster - 9/27/2008 4:59:12 PM
Fareed Zakaria: Palin Is Ready? Please.
I think he's pretty hot ...for a Macaca
36660. jexster - 9/27/2008 7:25:27 PM
Fallows final assessment, my initial
1960, 1980, 1992 ... 2008?
36661. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 8:16:26 PM
Earmarks cost us 18 Billion according to McCain.
Obama tried to compare it to 300 billion in tax cuts...
... what he needs to do is compare it to the cost of Iraq
Iraq costs us 10 billion a month. 2 months of Iraq pays for all of the earmarks... so sure, the government should make sure it's getting value for its dollar and avoid bridges and roads to nowhere (like those in Alaska), but let's try to keep things in perspective.
slam
dunk
36662. jexster - 9/27/2008 8:49:20 PM
He did...3 times
In fact tax cuts/iraq's surplus pretty much a stock answer
36663. jexster - 9/27/2008 8:50:22 PM
Hold the phone
36664. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 8:52:54 PM
What... have his identity stolen by some 14-yr-old?
36665. jexster - 9/27/2008 8:57:12 PM
WaPo reports on how McSame screwed things up at the Big Bailout Meeting and how Bush and the Democrats humiliated him, specifically Barack Obama.
Was McSame steaming because he had been Humiliated???
36666. jexster - 9/27/2008 9:04:56 PM
Brad Delong: Junk Paulson and Nationalize
36667. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 9:36:55 PM
Message # 36665
More of what I respect about Obama. If that doesn't show McCain that Obama knows the difference between tactics and strategy, I don't know what does.
36668. iiibbb - 9/27/2008 9:58:02 PM
Message # 36665
More details on the events of that day.
36669. magoseph - 9/28/2008 12:53:34 AM
To the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate
As economists, we want to express to Congress our great concern for the plan proposed by Treasury Secretary Paulson to deal with the financial crisis. We are well aware of the difficulty of the current financial situation and we agree with the need for bold action to ensure that the financial system continues to function. We see three fatal pitfalls in the currently proposed plan:
1) Its fairness. The plan is a subsidy to investors at taxpayers’ expense. Investors who took risks to earn profits must also bear the losses. Not every business failure carries systemic risk. The government can ensure a well-functioning financial industry, able to make new loans to creditworthy borrowers, without bailing out particular investors and institutions whose choices proved unwise.
2) Its ambiguity. Neither the mission of the new agency nor its oversight are clear. If taxpayers are to buy illiquid and opaque assets from troubled sellers, the terms, occasions, and methods of such purchases must be crystal clear ahead of time and carefully monitored afterwards.
3) Its long-term effects. If the plan is enacted, its effects will be with us for a generation. For all their recent troubles, America's dynamic and innovative private capital markets have brought the nation unparalleled prosperity. Fundamentally weakening those markets in order to calm short-run disruptions is desperately short-sighted.
For these reasons we ask Congress not to rush, to hold appropriate hearings, and to carefully consider the right course of action, and to wisely determine the future of the financial industry and the U.S. economy for years to come.
(signatures follow)
36670. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 9:21:52 AM
I'd like them to take more time... but according to them the credit markets will fold.
I have no idea what the right answer is. Seems like a damned-do, damned-don't Bush politics.
What prevents them from taking action now, holding hearings, and adjusting the response later?
I have no idea what to do, and I doubt anyone could explain it to me well enough to decide.
I have serious doubts about McCain's capability to handle it.
36671. arkymalarky - 9/28/2008 10:02:21 AM
Emergency funds that investment banks must apply for individually and sign agreements to government regulation with strict oversight, not just of the money and its distribution, but of the banks and restriction of their actions would be a good start.
IOW, hit their asses with an NCLB of corporations. Look at how it's applied to "failing" schools and use them as a model. Except don't use corporate welfare to hire other corporations to do the government's job as NCLB does.
36672. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/28/2008 10:03:18 AM
This is a stirring bit of irony . . .
36673. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:21:29 AM
Sixty Percent Still Favor Withdrawal Timetable
36674. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:27:05 AM
I think they should take more time too. I don't know much about all the fancy credit innstruments and investment banking bullshit that got us into this mess and I don't think anyone knows exactly what the unregulated credit markets even look like from the inside.
It could be that if we don't give them at least 350 billion yesterday, we'd face credit lock...and that would be a disaster. But I smell a rat behind all this pressure...Wall St lobbyists are all over this thing Not only their lobbyists but the shill salesmen in the business media talking heads etc.
I think we SHOULD wait for a Special Session of Congress when all these house members have their elections determined and the entire country, congressional committees, experts can focus on the problem better
36675. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:28:58 AM
DeLong's now for the Swedish model - nationalize, reorg.,reprivatize...that's in line with Chicago Business School's analysis and the Swedish model seems to be attracting a great deal of interest in recent days
But the key is RECENT DAYS. I never heard of it until last Tuesday
36676. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:34:33 AM
It seems that McCain Campaign Manager is still effectively on the Davis-Manafort payroll via a complicated, for want of a better term, massive money laundering operation
36677. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/28/2008 10:36:33 AM
This is like forcing someone to cross a busy highway during rush hour to save a baby trapped in the median. How about stopping traffic (on wall street) so saving the baby is done under more favorable conditions.
It also stops these greedy speculators from driving so recklessly.
36678. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:37:43 AM
What prevents them from taking action now, holding hearings, and adjusting the response later?
Veto and filibuster and that's just for starters
It is easier to pass than to undo
What they need is to determine what sort of bridge they'll need and have the authorities expire but then this isn't a short term thing..it may be MORE disruptive to put things on a 60 day time fuse...what business could rely on that?
36679. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:40:03 AM
R2K Tracking..
Yesterday's polling, the first after the debate, was the strongest Obama day picked up by the R2K tracking poll. He led 51-42, and therefore, Obama had a +9 on Sa to go with +5 Th, +7 Fri (MoE +/- 5.1 for individual days.) Sarah Palin's fav/unfav are now -10 (40/50), and Obama is +27 (his improvement is via dropping his unfav to 32.)
36680. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 10:48:12 AM
It is a Damocles sword.
The public is polling unfavorably to the bailout... but they don't want a depression.
36681. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:57:25 AM
That's the Prisoner's dilemma that congress faces!!! Police arrest 3 suspects on a crime. If each keeps silent,they all go free. If one confesses, they all face 20 years. Police go to each and say I'll give you 5 if you rat, 20 if the other guy rats you out.
There is ONE out. IF the House GOP refuses to go along, pull the bill. That way they get blamed but people really won't mind I think because most oppose it and I think most feel as I3 and I do, this is too big and complicated to rush through 37 days before an election
In fact, to me, it's ludicrous that they're even trying
36682. jexster - 9/28/2008 10:57:39 AM
KOS
Here's two more insta-polls. First, from MediaCurves, which along with yesterday's insta-poll and focus group summaries show the public (Dems and indies) thought Obama won the debate. Republicans do not matter, at least by themselves (take note, House Republicans.) 57 million people watched the debate.
One more thing. The Pew poll on foreign intervention, including Iraq, was covered here and was an important part of the debate. Anyone watching CNN (with their live graphs of fav/unfav) saw independent and Dem approval go up when Obama said the war was a mistake, and McCain was wrong about it.
The talking heads don't get it, but the voters do. The Surge™ is not a winning hand.*
as i said Fri night, I thought McSame's line "If we had adopted Sen Obama's plan, most of our combat troops would have been home by last spring" ..was his worst line of the night
36683. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:04:16 AM
Obama thinks the debate was a winner..They were up with an ad yesterday and a fundraising emaill from Plouffe to pay for it. Yesterday's new McStain ad didn't mention the debate
36684. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:07:44 AM
After all that Deal Reached On Bailout
They threw the House GOP a face-saving bone by giving option for some buyers of toxic securities to buy 'Insurance' against default....ridiculous on its face but apparently a footnote provision that won't be used
Still SUCKS and Americans are gonna wanna punish the Republican Regime for this
36685. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:11:03 AM
The ULTIMATE WEAPON
Lawmakers, especially in the House, are also eager to adjourn and return home for the fall campaign season.
When I was 20 something I used to LOVE this time best of all. The workload was mindblowing. Everyone working 16/7..but nothing of this scope not even close
Musta been fun...If you are 25
36686. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:15:31 AM
On CNN this morning, a Gallup representative said that when their new tracking poll is released today, it will show Obama up by 8 points -- a 3-point jump since yesterday. Bear in mind that these tracking polls use a rolling sample -- 1/3 of each days results is the result of new interviews. A 3-point jump in one day is pretty serious. Note also that this is at a point when the majority of Gallup's tracking sample still had not seen the debate. The full debate impact won't be reflected till Tuesday.
36687. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:27:29 AM
Is this NUTS or what???
Conservatives are seriously opposed to the plan because it is socialism
Liberals are seriously opposed to the plan too because it bails out Wall St republicans
Yet everyone is voting for it
36688. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 11:30:05 AM
The should just keep calling it the Bush/Republican bailout.
36689. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:30:59 AM
That'll work
Masterful work from Dodd, Frank, Pelosi and Reid
36690. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 11:31:31 AM
They're voting for it because the credit liquidity is pretty serious... and while the economists are signing letters not to rush things... they're not signing letters to say that we have enough wiggle room to wait.
36691. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:33:33 AM
They got everything they asked for and didn't let the GOP have a free ride to vote against THEIR bailout...apparently punted the question of how taxpayers will get paid back until the next congress....
The Prisoner's dilemma didn't work because Pelosi et al worked things so that potential rats would get the same regardless of whether they sang like McSongbird's or not
36692. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:34:02 AM
I hate the result but am in awe of the leadership
36693. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:40:03 AM
Zero
The Obama Debate Ad
Sent em 10 bucks..better value than HBO
36694. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:49:30 AM
LOok for another stunt soon..the first two didn't work out too well
McCain’s Suspension Bridge to Nowhere
By FRANK RICH
WHAT we learned last week is that the man who always puts his “country first” will take the country down with him if that’s what it takes to get to the White House.
For all the focus on Friday night’s deadlocked debate, it still can’t obscure what preceded it: When John McCain gratuitously parachuted into Washington on Thursday, he didn’t care if his grandstanding might precipitate an even deeper economic collapse. All he cared about was whether he might save his campaign. George Bush put more deliberation into invading Iraq than McCain did into his own reckless invasion of the delicate Congressional negotiations on the bailout plan.
36695. jexster - 9/28/2008 11:53:02 AM
A fifth debate poll
Gallup USA Today - Obama Won
36696. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 11:53:20 AM
I think they'll still be able to add-on. They'll have a strong congress, Obama, and it will still be unpopular. Anyone who tries to prevent improvements on the action will be hung out to dry I'd think.
I'd be surprised if they can't add on the transaction tax mentioned by electoral vote.
How to Bail Out Wall St. at No Cost to the Taxpayers
Thom Hartmann wrote an interesting piece on how to bail out Wall St. without costing the taxpayers a dime. The idea is to create a new government agency to manage the baoilout. The treasury would then loan it money to bail out Wall St. firms that are in trouble. The government would then institute a Securities Turnover Excise Tax of 0.25% on stock trades with revenues going to the new agency. For long-term investors who buy stock in companies they believe in and keep it for years adding a quarter of 1% to the cost hardly matters, and even to speculators it is not huge. It is estimated that such a tax would generate at least $150 billion a year, so the $700 billion load would be paid off in 5 years. The US has had such a tax in the past and used it to finance the Civil War, Spanish-American War, WWI and WWII. Many other countries have a similar tax. This proposal is clearly a viable alternative to either giving Wall St. $700 billion as a freebie or even getting stock in return for the money. Wall St. managers might even prefer it to a plan that limited their future compensation. Mother Jones lists yet five more alternative bailout plans.
36697. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 11:54:00 AM
the unpopular thing being the bailout...
36698. jexster - 9/28/2008 12:02:38 PM
That;s the House GOP alt. and it won't work without nationalizing and reorganizing the firms per Brad DeLong.
This is just like a bankruptcy or should function that way. Firms in trouble should be placed in conservatorships and have their debts restructured forcing junk holders to take equity and less on their investments...then return the firms to private ownership
That's the Swedish model. That's the model the Chicago Business School Goomba Guy is talking about. The trouble is Wall St. is vehemently opposed
36699. jexster - 9/28/2008 12:04:04 PM
Seems there's enough punting in the package to permit revisions in the next Congress..another stroke of genius from the Leadership
I am truly amazed..
36700. jexster - 9/28/2008 12:12:38 PM
McCain Retracts Palin's Agreements With Obama On Pakistan
Appearing today on ABC's This Week, John McCain was forced to disavow Sarah Palin's agreement yesterday with Barack Obama about attacking al-Qaeda within the Pakistani border. McCain criticized the press for picking up on Palin's conversation with a voter on the street in Philadelphia: "Sticking a microphone while conversations are being held, and then all of a sudden that's -- that's a person's position."
Simpleton Sista got whooping cough and she has a debate in 4 days
36701. jexster - 9/28/2008 12:27:23 PM
Poll Tracker
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Pres '08
Sep 28 Gallup
Obama (D) 50%, McCain (R) 42%
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Pres '08
Sep 28 Rasmussen
Obama (D) 50%, McCain (R) 44%
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Pres '08
Sep 28 Res. 2000
Obama (D) 50%, McCain (R) 43%
36702. jexster - 9/28/2008 12:32:01 PM
ET tu Roger Ailes????
Now fox news is saying that the reason Obama won the debate is because they talked about the economy and it was supposed to be about foreign policy.
36703. jexster - 9/28/2008 12:46:30 PM
If there was a winner in the first presidential debate it would have to be Barack Obama, but only because he managed to get in a couple of punches on John McCain without looking like he was picking on Granddad.
Willie Brown Negro of Town's coal black face has been turning green with envy ever since Obama announced......he just can't deal with it...funny
36704. jexster - 9/28/2008 12:58:41 PM
Tina Fey - The Couric Interview
36705. jexster - 9/28/2008 1:13:40 PM
Country First!
McCain Defends Refusal To Look At Obama During Debate
John McCain said on This Week that it was "foolishness" to criticize him for refusing to look at Barack obama during the debate. "I've been in many, many debates," said McCain. "And a lot of the times I don't look at my opponents because I'm focusing on the people and the American people that I'm talking to. That's what the debate's all about."
36706. jexster - 9/28/2008 1:27:26 PM
Krugman has weighs in on the Swedish Plan
Right idea
Politically unfeasible
36707. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 1:31:16 PM
I agree with that article. Whatever congress does, it should be tied around the necks of Bush and the Republicans.
That'll show them what "not blinking" looks like.
36708. jexster - 9/28/2008 1:57:02 PM
That Gallup debate poll is really bad news for McStain. Not only did viewers overwhelmingly favor Obama on the economy ..the two were TIED on National Security/FP ...McSame's favorable didn't change, while Obama's favorables went way up as they did in every snap poll
36709. jexster - 9/28/2008 1:57:58 PM
This is an electorate dying to vote against the McSame Old Party
36710. jexster - 9/28/2008 2:08:58 PM
ConJob's pre-debate talking point - "Obama would be a blithering idiot without a teleprompter" was hardly original to him. The crackpots were all over the net with it, even on the SF Chron's comments sections
Well that one didn't work out too good...the post-debate headline being "Why wasn't McStain man enough to look Obama in the face when he addressed him"
36711. jexster - 9/28/2008 2:16:39 PM
Rumblin bumblin stumblin to the Finish Line: McStain Camp Can't Get Bailout Story Straight
At the same time that Sen. John McCain was saying that he didn't deserve credit for getting an economic bailout package to the brink of completion, his campaign's chief strategist was arguing that the Senator played an integral role.
36712. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 2:56:25 PM
Still a lot of gloom and doom economic Armageddon talk out there in the ether.
I'm trying to sit tight.
36713. jexster - 9/28/2008 3:50:33 PM
Time to break some backs
We've got them on the run
by kos
Throw out all the old polling. Reset your expectations. Because the last two weeks have radically transformed the shape of the race.
You can see it in the epic collapse of the McCain campaign, flailing and panicked, rewarded by ever plummeting poll numbers. You can see it in Palin's treatment among Republicans -- once triumphant, now embarrassed as they stash her away in Cheney's undisclosed location, afraid to let her see the light of day lest people decide that she's an even bigger moron than they already think she is.
....
36714. jexster - 9/28/2008 3:53:02 PM
I predict we will be greeted as Liberators on Jan 21
36715. jexster - 9/28/2008 3:58:09 PM
Tina Fey plays such a deadringer for the Simple Sister, the next stunt may well be a switcheroo on Thurs. nite
36716. jexster - 9/28/2008 4:08:27 PM
Boy have I been had...Back from Obama SF HQ..30 people on phone banks to Nevada and a massive pct walk this weekend ...I picked up my packet only to discover that this really wasn't a Walk for Change at all....Obama is just the teaser....This is a CA DEMO PARTY SCAM -- In addition to O, they give you a choice of propositions...I chose Prop 8 = Vote No, Yes to Adam and Steve...i could have picked Yes On 2 - No Cruelty to animals
The walk scripts reveal the Hidden Gay Agenda
36717. jexster - 9/28/2008 4:14:26 PM
Better to put concerned in a dress and a pair of Tina Fey glasses
AP
36718. jexster - 9/28/2008 4:35:11 PM
Hell this is no surprise
We told you so in 1999
George Herbert Hoover Bush, the CEO President, has left a ginornmous mess every place he's hung his Ten Gallon Hat
Bush binges; We all pay
By JIM VANDEHEI & MIKE ALLEN | Politico
The next president won't have the time or money to make good on campaign promises. He'll be too busy with the costly Bush agenda.
Why did Bush ruin the Country???
36719. jexster - 9/28/2008 4:37:31 PM
The smartest move we could make for ourselves and our grandchildren's children
LIQUIDATE TEXAS
36720. winstonsmith - 9/28/2008 6:30:18 PM
Does anyone know if Biden and Palin will get the debate questions before the debate?
36721. jexster - 9/28/2008 6:33:43 PM
I dun tole y'all...dat Ivory Puffin Mask be dah mean gris-gris cher
Mine Fallout Lingers for Palin
Palin's intervention in dispute may have violated law against state advocacy on ballot measures. (WaPo)
36722. jexster - 9/28/2008 6:57:04 PM
Miss South Carolina Meet Sarah Palin (mashup)
36723. jexster - 9/28/2008 7:40:56 PM
Oh, the Drama! McCain in the Theater of the Absurd
(Time)
36724. robertjayb - 9/28/2008 9:07:34 PM
The urge to merge..
Federal regulators on Sunday night were pressing for the sale of yet another troubled bank — this time, the Wachovia Corporation — in a move that would concentrate power within the nation’s banking industry in the hands of a few giant lenders.
Wachovia, the nation’s fourth-largest bank, was negotiating to sell itself to Wells Fargo or Citigroup. Although the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department were pushing for a sale, the government was resisting pressure to provide financial guarantees to the buyer.
A sale to either Wells Fargo or Citigroup would further concentrate Americans’ bank deposits in the hands of just three banks: Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and whichever bank acquired Wachovia.
36725. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 10:07:47 PM
Rescue bill no longer 700B.
Key provisions of the bill
Doling the money out: The $700 billion would be disbursed in stages, with $250 billion made available immediately for the Treasury's use. Authority to use the money would expire on Dec. 31, 2009, unless Congress certifies a one-year extension.
Protecting taxpayers: The ultimate cost to the taxpayer is not expected to be near the amount the Treasury invests in the program. That's because the government would buy assets that have underlying value.
If the Treasury pays fair market value - which investors have had a hard time determining - taxpayers stand a chance to break even or even make a profit if those assets throw off income or appreciate in value by the time the government sells them. If it overpays for the assets, the government could be left with a net loss but would get something back on the open market for the assets when it eventually sells them.
If it ends up with a net loss, however, the bill says the president must propose legislation to recoup money from the financial industry if the rescue plan results in net losses to taxpayers five years after the plan is enacted.
In addition, Treasury would be allowed to take ownership stakes in participating companies.
36726. lemwalker - 9/28/2008 10:13:05 PM
Jeez! it is all so simple. I know how to swim. Don't need a bailout. Have worked for wages all my life. What do I care about about the imaginary numbers of Wall Street? have nothing want nothing. Wish I could take a couple of dogs and a weapon and head out for the territories. The only problem with democracy is you wind up with the government you deserve. God bless America, she is our only chance.
36727. arkymalarky - 9/28/2008 10:43:11 PM
I predict we will be greeted as Liberators on Jan 21
Okay, that's funny.
Lem,
Dad says every time he watches his retirement fund reap the effects of Wall Street he picks up Thoreau. We're just going to have to plant that garden this spring. But Bob and I are still fighting over getting a generator.
36728. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 10:56:08 PM
I'm basically screwed if the credit market fails. I didn't take a bad loan. I can support my mortgage as long as my job pays... but I am screwed if I can't sell this house.
I'd like to screw over the rich guys in Manhattan if I could, but this one is too close to home.
Basically... for better or for worse... I'm just going to have to trust that Obama is going to lead us through it.
If they tax Wall Street transactions until this thing is paid off, that works ok for me. Can't the gov't sue Wall St. Execs too? I read somewhere they've collected 160 B in bonuses over the years.
36729. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/28/2008 10:56:13 PM
Someone told me today that Bill gates said: "If we gave $270,000 to everyone over eighteen in America, that it would be the equivalent of 700 billion dollars and we would not need to bail out Wall Street."
Can that be true?
36730. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/28/2008 11:02:46 PM
Meanwhile . . .
36731. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 11:08:16 PM
Message # 76329
It doesn't sound right. The population of the US is 300,000,000.
700,000,000,000/300,000,000 = $2333 per person.
If Bill Gates really said that then by his calculation, there are only 2,592,592 over 18 in the US... that can't be right.
No wonder Microsoft sucks.
36732. iiibbb - 9/28/2008 11:08:48 PM
I have no idea how to fix that toy, where ever it came from.
36733. alistairconnor - 9/29/2008 7:15:25 AM
test...
36734. alistairconnor - 9/29/2008 7:17:32 AM
36735. David Ehrenstein - 9/29/2008 7:36:57 AM
36736. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/29/2008 7:58:25 AM
Sorry!
36737. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/29/2008 7:59:57 AM
Thanks iiibbb.
36738. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:00:01 AM
Damn your eyes I3...why do you always screw things up
36739. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:00:37 AM
#
Pres '08
Sep 29 Res. 2000
Obama (D) 51%(50), McCain (R) 42%(43)
36740. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:01:59 AM
Why is the market still dropping?
Those bastards trying to hold us up for MORE?
36741. magoseph - 9/29/2008 9:09:44 AM
What has happened here is spreading abroad, that's why. The solution now requires much more than the US can provide. Fortunately, the rest of the world is cooperating.
36742. magoseph - 9/29/2008 9:16:13 AM
Incidentally, as the oil is collapsing, the US $ is rising. The sponsors of big oil may look foolish before long.
36743. alistairconnor - 9/29/2008 9:26:05 AM
The market is dropping because it had an over-inflated sense of its own worth. I'm not sure why the rest of the world is obliged to help out, insofar as it's essentially an American problem.
36744. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:27:39 AM
That's because you feasted at our table.
Fucking French..now getting all chummy with Hugo
Concerned was right
36745. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:33:24 AM
Highway Robbery I Tell Ya
NEW YORK - The Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 300 points, while demand for safe-haven buying in government debt remained high ahead of a planned House vote on an unpopular $700 billion plan to rescue troubled financial companies and as investors examined a deal for Wachovia Corp.
Wall Street is fearful the government's plan to buy up toxic debt wouldn't be sufficient to resuscitate nearly frozen credit markets
36746. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:37:24 AM
Attorney Firings Scandal: IG Report Urges Special Prosecutor -- Cites Rove et al Obstruction
I am sure President Obama will take the Inspector General's wise counsel
36747. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:54:21 AM
And the worst may be yet to come for Palin; sources say CBS has two more responses on tape that will likely prove embarrassing.
Howard Kurtz
36748. magoseph - 9/29/2008 10:08:54 AM
I'm not sure why the rest of the world is obliged to help out, insofar as it's essentially an American problem.
Who says they should? However, fear is a catching disease.
36749. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 10:10:42 AM
For lack of trusting anyone else. I have to trust Obama.
36750. jexster - 9/29/2008 10:29:36 AM
Word from KY is that Jim Bunning's opposition to the bailout could spell curtains for Mitch McConnell who is already running dead even with the Dem challenger
Kentucky would be a sweet pickup
36751. wonkers2 - 9/29/2008 10:31:46 AM
You want more wars? Vote for McCain!
36752. jexster - 9/29/2008 10:33:37 AM
I dunno why we have to bail the EUROS out. They wanna take a chunk of Lehman and howled when it looked like they'd be denied a place at the Wall St. pig trough.
My Russophillia grows daily
36753. jexster - 9/29/2008 11:04:18 AM
Wasilla Charged for Rape Kits While Sarah Was Mayor
McStain Camp Stonewalls
36754. jexster - 9/29/2008 11:43:01 AM
The Capitalist shills at CNN: "The biggest pressure is coming from the dow where a 250 point drop might well be followed by a 2,000 point crash"
McBush - Wall ST.'s highway robbers
36755. jexster - 9/29/2008 11:51:57 AM
Andrew J. Bacevich: Bush's third war
U.S. attacks inside Pakistan mark an escalation that may bedevil the next president
36756. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 12:56:33 PM
Didn't pass.
36757. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/29/2008 1:02:20 PM
And the music plays on . . .
36758. robertjayb - 9/29/2008 1:37:28 PM
It's all Nancy's fault.
36759. jexster - 9/29/2008 1:45:42 PM
YES!!!!!
36760. jexster - 9/29/2008 1:46:18 PM
Sure am glad McStain put his country first....couldn't bring any Republicans
36761. jexster - 9/29/2008 1:59:26 PM
PA..Obama +7...he's even closed to w/in 10 in Tuhnuhsee
36762. jexster - 9/29/2008 1:59:41 PM
LET EM FAIL!!!
36763. jexster - 9/29/2008 1:59:58 PM
Throw the bums out
36764. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:01:26 PM
Blunt: All the Jews Fault!!!!
36765. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:05:05 PM
I don't know WHY the Dems got so far out in front trying to save the GOP from itself
Better move on those credit card offers!!
36766. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:06:00 PM
GOP Senator Gregg Sunday: "If We Don't Pass It, We Shouldn't Be A Congress"...
36767. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:07:41 PM
They'd better punt until next year....They'll lose even more democrats...
36768. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:23:41 PM
I suspect that they will LOSE Dem votes on a revote
36769. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:29:13 PM
Dear Senator Feinstein:
The Democrats made a HUGE mistake trying to bailout the Republicans. Adjourn sine die
No bailout
36770. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/29/2008 2:36:39 PM
36771. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:40:50 PM
and his idiots were out bragging how he brought the House GOP around
ADJOURN NOW before he fucks things up even more
36772. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:46:33 PM
McSenile Should Have Listened to Harry Reid
From WaPo ...
36773. jexster - 9/29/2008 2:50:41 PM
From CNN's chief DOW 36K talking head
36774. jexster - 9/29/2008 3:10:15 PM
McYellowStain should have listened to Harry Reid
36775. jexster - 9/29/2008 3:19:50 PM
A poster at TPM, handle - "idiotic", got so fed up with Hillary supporters chirping that this and that news item was good news, he started answering every BAD news item with
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS>....For Hillary!
It's an inside joke
36776. David Ehrenstein - 9/29/2008 3:41:59 PM
Babs reads Palin like the telephone directory!
36777. concerned - 9/29/2008 3:59:33 PM
So what happened to that 40% of the 'Rat vote Nine Percent Peloser was supposed to deliver?
36778. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:08:31 PM
36779. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:10:12 PM
Ringleaders of the Worst Congress EVER.
36780. wonkers2 - 9/29/2008 4:17:50 PM
The Dems and enough of the few sentient Republicans will pass the bill withing a week.
36781. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:25:24 PM
Re. 36780 -
We know why the majority of Republicans didn't vote for the bill. What's the Democrats' excuse, wonkers?
36782. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:26:25 PM
Peloser swore she could deliver enough 'Rat votes to pass the bailout. She failed. Why is that?
36783. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:32:22 PM
C'mon wonkers. Tell us.
36784. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 4:35:28 PM
Coc'd... According to McCain, it was McCain's Bill.
36785. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 4:35:50 PM
Bush,
Worst
President
Ever.
36786. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:37:36 PM
Sorry. Rules say that no two term president eligible to be 'worst president ever'. Try again.
36787. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/29/2008 4:40:09 PM
36788. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:40:54 PM
Re. 36784 -
McCain improved the bailout bill. It would have failed by an even larger margin if he had not got involved.
Anyway, iiibbb - since you're so on top of things, tell me why did 40% of House Democrats vote against it? If you can't even explain that, you shouldn't even try to point fingers at Republicans.
36789. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:41:57 PM
Maybe Wiper can tell us why 40% of 'Rats voted against the bailout.
Are all of you Lefties too stupid to figure this out?
36790. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:43:48 PM
Dishonest, ignorant buncha fucks.
36791. concerned - 9/29/2008 4:45:09 PM
Speaking of which, Bloat Pig Moore is squealing that it's all the fault of the Bush Administration. Typical Lefty.
36792. wonkers2 - 9/29/2008 4:49:18 PM
The Dems and a few more GOPers will vote it in within a few days. The Dems are holding back for more GOPers for political cover. They don't want to be left holding a bucket of shit if the plan doesn't work as advertised. It's called bipartisan cooperation to try to do the right thing. But the GOPers were getting too many calls from their knuckle-dragging constituents opposing the plan. And they didn't have the cojones to do the right thing. They stepped on their dicks, IMHO.
36793. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:00:45 PM
Let's not forget the 95 Democrats who stood tall!
36794. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:01:10 PM
McStain couldn't even deliver his own party
36795. Wombat - 9/29/2008 5:01:43 PM
60%of the Democrats in the House supported the bail-out bill, but only 33% of the Republicans did. We can see who is acting responsibly and who is not. Concerned needs new talking points...badly.
36796. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:02:04 PM
Who's going to bail the big bad Bush!
36797. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:04:05 PM
36 days left!
36798. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:05:10 PM
Concerned is such a MORAN
John Boner and John McStain were supposed to deliver REPUBLICAN votes for George Herbert Hoover Bush ..not Nancy Pelosi
36799. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:05:59 PM
Nancy Hurt Their Feelins!
36800. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:07:13 PM
#
PA-Pres
Sep 29 Muhlenberg
Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 42%
#
NC-Pres
Sep 29 PPP (D)
Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 45%
36801. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:07:38 PM
IF you thought Sarah sounded lost in space last week...wait til Thursday!
36802. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:08:56 PM
The Speech That Hurt Their Feewins
36803. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:09:50 PM
SHEILA JACKSON-LEE - VOTED NO
36804. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:13:41 PM
Ole Crash and Burn has lost the Associated Press
Analysis: Obama bolsters his readiness claim
AP
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama bolstered his case that he's ready to be chief executive with a calmly assured response to the economic crisis and a solid debate performance.
36805. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:18:55 PM
Let Em Fail - California's Heros!
CALIFORNIA
Democrats — Baca, N; Becerra, N; Filner, N; Lee, N; Napolitano, N; Roybal-Allard, N; Sanchez, Linda T., N; Sanchez, Loretta, N; Schiff, N; Sherman, N; Solis, N; Speier, Y; Stark, N; Thompson, N; Watson, N; Woolsey, N.
36806. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:21:49 PM
Jump Fuckers!
36807. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:23:39 PM
Congress did the right thing today
by KOS
36808. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:28:11 PM
Proud of those dems who had the guts to stand up to the Spanish International Banking Cabal!
36809. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:28:55 PM
and I would be remiss not to thank Ole Crash and Burn for his leadership of the Republican Party
36810. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:31:58 PM
This is EXCELLENT NEWS! For John McSame!!!
36811. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:34:18 PM
What's left of the GOP has split wide open and ConJob blames Pelosi?
Good job
36812. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:36:03 PM
Hey Concerned!
CNN reports that McStain is preventing Sarah from answering to why she charged for RAPE KITS.
Any comment?
Maybe Gwen Ifil will ask her
36813. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 5:38:41 PM
Anyway, iiibbb - since you're so on top of things, tell me why did 40% of House Democrats vote against it? If you can't even explain that, you shouldn't even try to point fingers at Republicans.
Well there was this tidbit 548 that said the so-called swing districts got cold feet.
Swing District Congressmen Doomed Bailout
This was predictable, I suppose, but it's remarkable to see how strong a relationship there is between today's failed vote on the bailout and the competitive nature of different House races.
Among 38 incumbent congressmen in races rated as "toss-up" or "lean" by Swing State Project, just 8 voted for the bailout as opposed to 30 against: a batting average of .211.
By comparison, the vote among congressmen who don't have as much to worry about was essentially even: 197 for, 198 against.
VULNERABLE GOP = 3 YEAS, 17 NAYS (15%)
OTHER GOP = 62 YEAS, 116 NAYS (35%)
VULNERABLE DEMS = 5 YEAS, 13 NAYS (28%)
OTHER DEMS = 135 YEAS, 82 NAYS (62%)
So based on that... the Democrats came through (62%) more than the Republicans (35%) on a bill that the Republican President asked for. In vulnerable districts, Republicans were 85% chickenshit.
36814. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:40:54 PM
Of course...it's TOXIC
36815. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:46:42 PM
36816. jexster - 9/29/2008 5:50:44 PM
Obama Camp: McSame is "angry and hyper-partisan"
36817. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:03:58 PM
36818. concerned - 9/29/2008 6:04:43 PM
CNN reports that McStain is preventing Sarah from answering to why she charged for RAPE KITS.
Any comment?
How's this? Since I'm such a great guy, I'll let you tell the world why you butt fucked your grandmother any time you want, rejexst.
What? You never butt fucked your grandmother......? How could I ask such a filthy, loaded, ignorant question.....?
Well, Sarah Palin never charged for any rape kits.
There's your answer, moron. Let me know when you figure it out, if ever.
36819. concerned - 9/29/2008 6:06:10 PM
C'mon dimwads. How come 40% of your Congresscritters are 'Rat traitors?
How many times do I have to ask before you morons wise up?
36820. concerned - 9/29/2008 6:06:58 PM
Democrat morons. But I repeat myself.
36821. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:07:26 PM
John McStain hasn't voted since April...If only he'd stayed away
36822. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:10:45 PM
I don't know which is worse....That Wasilla charged for rape kits or that there is a question its mayor didn't know that her police chief was doing it.
36823. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:12:06 PM
Let's go to the VideoTape
36824. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 6:12:43 PM
Conc'd
And 65% of Republicans are Rat traitors?
well... let's get this strait first.
Are you for or against Bush's "bailout" in principle?
36825. concerned - 9/29/2008 6:12:48 PM
I thought you claimed the Democrat A-Team of Paulson, Nine Percent Peloser, Reid, Frank, 0bama and Dodd were all over this, rejexst.
Now you're whining that McCain pissed in their Wheaties so they can't play any more.
You're way beyond pathetic, rejexst, shamelessly painting your Congressional Democrats as having the intellectual capabilities of lower invertebrates. But you're probably right about that. They are totally incompetent whackjobs.
36826. concerned - 9/29/2008 6:13:48 PM
Re. 36824 -
I'll answer only if you don't use my answer against me in any future post.
Sound fair?
36827. concerned - 9/29/2008 6:14:15 PM
Promise, iiibbb?
36828. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:16:41 PM
I understand. She needed the money. She was redecorating her office in bordello motif
Ifil: For six months while you were mayor, the Wasilla police chief led the fight against the bill to prevent the practice. And you are telling us you knew nothing?
36829. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 6:18:22 PM
I promise...
36830. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:18:27 PM
I'm not whining.
I am glad the thing failed.
The question is - next time, will McStain take Harry Reid's advice and stay away?
He is clearly out of his league
What Senator McCain was able to do was to help bring all of the parties to the table, including the House Republicans, whose votes were needed to pass this"
-- Steve Schmidt, NBC's Meet the Press, 9/28/08
Ole Crash n Burn
36831. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:19:39 PM
362=825
I thought they had the House Republicans on board!
That's what I get for believing John McSame
36832. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:20:40 PM
I'll answer only if you don't use my answer against me in any future post.
Sound fair?
Oh sure....
Promise away I3
36833. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:22:59 PM
McSenile didn't appreciate two things:
1. How politics gets done on Capitol Hill
2. That everybody wouldn't realize that he was pulling a cheap political stunt
In other words, that he believed there are more Morans like ConJob around these days than there are...
36834. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:24:39 PM
Not Nancy Pelosi's job to bring republicans around to support George Bush
and it isn't a job that McStain is up to doing obviously
36835. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:25:59 PM
If Biden
1. Let's Sarah speak for herself
2. Keeps turning the questions back on John McSame
The VP debate MAY matter for the first time ever
36836. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:42:27 PM
ConJob may lack the courage of conviction, but I never have
Let me be clear.
Congress, by failing to bail out Bush/McSame's buddies, has struck a MIGHTY blow against US War Capitalism and its International Spaniard backers
36837. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:50:05 PM
For months one of Fournier's fellow AP swingers on the McStain Tire Swing
Analysis: House vote against bailout wounds McCain
By CHARLES BABINGTON,
36838. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:52:41 PM
WASHINGTON - The house always wins, gamblers are warned, and the U.S. House made John McCain pay Monday for his politically risky, high-profile involvement in a financial rescue plan that came crashing down, mainly at the hands of his fellow Republicans.
36839. jexster - 9/29/2008 6:56:29 PM
Couric III - McStain, Palin - Do you support Obama's Pakistan Policy or not???
36840. jexster - 9/29/2008 7:07:02 PM
New York mag has picked up a report from the Times of London that McStain's next stunt may be a Shotgun Wedding
Palin's little whore and the randy Levi Johnston
The couple have decided on Neiman-Marcus Rape Kits for members of the Wedding Party
36841. jexster - 9/29/2008 7:24:36 PM
Krugman on Olbermann...revote Thurs and if it fails, junk the Bush approach write the bill that should have been written
OK We Are a Banana Republic With Nukes
Totally misses the point - 36 days left to a lame duck congress and a bunch of Congressmen, mostly Republican, with their asses out a mile
36842. jexster - 9/29/2008 7:29:04 PM
OUR DEAR LEADER TO ADDRESS THE NATION
7:45 in the morning....4:45 Pacific time
36843. jexster - 9/29/2008 7:42:54 PM
Maybe they should cancel their SF Extravaganza
Mid month...their annual convention right here...Commies are already mobilizing
36844. winstonsmith - 9/29/2008 8:06:38 PM
Uh Oh - From Politico:
"Of concern to McCain's campaign, however, is a remaining and still-undisclosed clip from Palin's interview with Couric last week that has the political world buzzing.
The Palin aide, after first noting how "infuriating" it was for CBS to purportedly leak word about the gaffe, revealed that it came in response to a question about Supreme Court decisions.
After noting Roe vs. Wade, Palin was apparently unable to discuss any major court cases.
There was no verbal fumbling with this particular question as there was with some others, the aide said, but rather silence."
36845. jexster - 9/29/2008 8:24:22 PM
I still can't get thru on Pelosi's District site...
Tell to adjourn NOW...evidently she's put it to McBush - bring you're people along..we're thru playing games with you people
PBS's panel says more banks could fail tomorrow
36846. jexster - 9/29/2008 8:25:20 PM
36844...
Katie I'd like to use one of my lifelines? SNL
36847. jexster - 9/29/2008 8:26:12 PM
You're - UR
Has McCrash suspended his campaign yet????
36848. jexster - 9/29/2008 8:33:39 PM
Finally got thru to my CongressLady
36849. jexster - 9/29/2008 9:19:20 PM
36818 - ConJob is a MORAN and a liar
Sarah Palin and Wasilla’s Rape Kits: Billing the Victims
Rape is a horrible ordeal. Could you imagine, after living through that trauma and then reporting it to your local police station and sitting for a rape kit…the disgust you’d feel after having been charged a fee in order for the rape kit to be processed?
Well, that was the case, in Wasilla, Alaska, when Sarah Palin was its mayor.
Alaska - Nation's No 1 Rape State
36850. wonkers2 - 9/29/2008 9:41:02 PM
It's not as if Alaska needed the money!
36851. concerned - 9/29/2008 9:50:11 PM
They're already calling it the Pelosi Crash of 2008. The miserable little b has had her 15 minutes of fame.
36852. concerned - 9/29/2008 9:53:10 PM
Re. 36949 -
I'll bet a year of your salary, rejexst, that Wasilla never charged anybody for a rape kit while Palin was mayor.
Show me a receipt, or pay me a year of your salary, you lying grandmafucker.
36853. concerned - 9/29/2008 9:59:07 PM
rejexst owes me a year of his salary but is too poor a loser to STFU about it.
36854. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 10:08:13 PM
Pelosi Crash of 2008 yields no Google or Google news results.
36855. arkymalarky - 9/29/2008 10:08:24 PM
Con'd, Pelosi got more than the number and percentage of votes she promised. The GOP is responsible for whatever results from failing to pass this plan, stinky though it may be. But not to worry. Your esteemed pick for two presidential terms will set everything right when he speaks in the morning. Those rogue Republicans will fall in line after hearing what he has to say.
36856. iiibbb - 9/29/2008 10:08:30 PM
at the time of my posting at least.
36857. wonkers2 - 9/29/2008 10:33:22 PM
Very true. My Congressman, Joe "Below Zero" Knollenberg voted against the proposal. It was the first time in eight years, so far as I know, that he voted against anything supported by Bush.
36858. concerned - 9/29/2008 11:32:31 PM
Re. 36855 -
That's impossible, arky. She promised that the bill would pass the House vote Monday.
Then to prove that she didn't need the Republican vote, she made a lying and incontinent attack on the Republicans.
You post that the "Republicans are responsible for whatever results..." This exemplifies your problem, Arky which is that you never think your party is responsible for anything. Pelosi could scream 'Fire!' in a theatre, and you can be counted on to blame somebody else.
36859. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/30/2008 12:53:54 AM
36860. jexster - 9/30/2008 8:44:42 AM
Look on the bright side...AMerican War Capitalism has collapsed An enfeebled economy cannot support America's over-extended military commitments for much longer. Retrenchment is inevitable and it is unlikely to be gradual or well planned. (Guardian)
36861. jexster - 9/30/2008 8:46:51 AM
Nancy's only mistake was trusting John McCain and John Boner
Not her job to deliver Republican votes.
The spin that it is all Nancy's fault because she hurt GOP feelings is absurd and being greeted with appropriate gales of laughter, just as was McStain's campaign suspension stunt
36862. magoseph - 9/30/2008 8:52:08 AM
The only thing that we hear nothing about in the media is a basic need for a high percentage of the population...and that is revenge for what was done to them. Many of them view what's happening as a reward to those who are responsible for their suffering.
They want to hear about prosecution and the recovery of all the stolen money. They hear nothing and that is why they are making themselves heard.
36863. jexster - 9/30/2008 8:58:24 AM
A member of my SanFranciscoForObama listserv was just published in the Guardian UK!!
Steven Guess:
The end of the Reagan Revolution
Republicans killed the $700bn Wall Street bail-out plan, but their vision of laissez-faire capitalism won't survive this crisis
36864. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:18:24 AM
Hey asshole...I resemble that!
Them is fightin words!!
36865. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:21:50 AM
At least he got this part right, though he should have mentioned that Foreclosure Phil's fine work on the CFTC also led directly to the Enron-Manufactured electricity crisis in CA back in 2001
In 1982, Ronald Reagan pushed for the Garn-St Germain Depository Institutions Act, which in Title VIII specifically provided for the very adjustable-rate mortgages that have left consumers struggling to make their payments. They will find that in 1999 it was senator Phil Graham and a veto-proof Republican majority that demanded an overhaul of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 which separated commercial and investment banking. This might have contained this problem to one sector of the lending industry. Investigators will find that in 2000, Republicans and free market ideologues passed the Commodities Futures Modernisation Act which reduced transparency in the derivatives market. As Congress fulfils its oversight role, a picture will emerge of a comprehensive deregulation strategy which led to this crisis.
36866. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:26:28 AM
Pres '08
Sep 30 RasmussenObama (D) 51%, McCain (R) 45%
Pres '08
Sep 30 Res. 2000Obama (D) 51%, McCain (R) 41%
36867. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:33:16 AM
Ole Crash n Burn...Losing Everything
36868. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:44:12 AM
Now that damned Persian Al-Maliki's thumbing his nose at Old Glory telling us we can't stay because we CAN'T AFFORD TO
We can stay 100 years if we want to and leave VICTORIOUS
36869. iiibbb - 9/30/2008 9:48:50 AM
I voted for McCain in 2000... in SC...
This isn't the same guy. Kerry had it right... the John McCain of 2000 wouldn't vote for the John McCain of 2008. Neither will I.
36870. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:51:22 AM
I don't see how you could still be resisting ConJob's Svengali-like powers of persuasion
36871. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:51:40 AM
LIVE SEX ACT WITH SARAH!!!
Analysis: With bailout, McCain reaches dead end AP
WASHINGTON - Republican John McCain has maneuvered himself into a political dead end and has five weeks to find his way out
36872. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:02:25 AM
UPDATE - The continuing lies of a ConJob
Wasilla Stonewalls RapeKitGate
City Officials Refuse to Answer Questions About How Many Victims Palin Charged Prior to State Ban of Practice (Wasilla Frontiersman
36873. iiibbb - 9/30/2008 10:05:07 AM
VOTE MCCAIN
36874. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:05:39 AM
Would YOU buy a used rape kit from Concerned?
36875. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:06:25 AM
Damn you I3
Wiz ..give him the penile implant
36876. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:20:53 AM
The Beginning of the End for John McStained
36877. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:26:20 AM
36878. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:31:54 AM
Lies Have Consequences
"Now we know the truth"
36879. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:35:46 AM
(David Frum) - "I think she has pretty thoroughly -- and probably irretrievably -- proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States"
36880. concerned - 9/30/2008 10:41:25 AM
David Frum has pretty thoroughly -- and probably irretrivably -- proven that he is not up to the job of making a rational comment on Sarah Palin.
36881. concerned - 9/30/2008 10:45:43 AM
From the Boston Herald:
Herald readers put blame on Barney Frank
By Joe Dwinell
When it comes to the Wall Street meltdown, Rep. Barney Frank is considered the engineer of the financial train wreck, a bostonherald.com instant poll shows.
Frank (D-Newton), chairman of the House Financial Services panel, is plastered with blame even more so than President Bush or former fed chief Alan Greenspan.
Some readers argue all you have to do is click over to YouTube and listen to Frank, in the fall of 2003, swear “Fannie and Freddie (are) not in a crisis!” and are “fundamentally sound financially.” Click here to find out more!
Whoops, guess not.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been taken over by the government and are under a grand jury investigation.
More than 5,000 responders to a bostonherald.com poll posted mid-day yesterday are calling for heads to roll:
# 36 percent state Frank is out in front.
# Bush is second with 29 percent for missing red flags.
# Greenspan, now knocked off his guru perch, is third with 19 percent blame.
# Former President Bill Clinton falls next with 12 percent responsibility.
# Barack Obama, 3 percent, and John McCain, 1 percent, escape mostly unscathed, for now.
Btw, cretins, I've been the only one in the Mote with the brains, knowledge and honesty to place the blame where it belongs. But the truth will eventually out, even with the MSM covering like mad for the 'Rat Party.
36882. concerned - 9/30/2008 10:49:53 AM
The only thing that we hear nothing about in the media is a basic need for a high percentage of the population...and that is revenge for what was done to them.
They can get that revenge by voting for McCain/Palin and to get the 'Rat majority out of Congress.
36883. concerned - 9/30/2008 10:52:12 AM
Re. 36872 -
There has not been a single rape kit sold in Wasilla. None. Zero. Not ever. rejexst is telling pure lies.
Btw, he owes me a year of his salary. Assuming he does anything anybody wants to pay him for.
36884. concerned - 9/30/2008 10:53:45 AM
I can promise right now that jexster will never post any kind of documentation or cite for actual documentation that any rape kits were sold in Wasilla, unless, perhaps, he gets Hussein 0bama's birth certificate forger on the job.
36885. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:57:07 AM
That's the WHOLE POINT..We've asked but McStain is covering up
We do know, as the Wasilla Frontiersman reports, that Wasilla charged for rape kits (in their budget) and that for six months Palin's police chief fought publically against efforts in the Alaska legislature to ban the practice.
36886. jexster - 9/30/2008 10:59:55 AM
Wasilla Watch: Palin and the Rape Kits
Like I said...they're hiding now but come Thursday Gwen Ifil should just ask her
36887. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:00:41 AM
Nobody was charged for a rape kit in Wasilla, rejexst. They were in Juneau and other parts of Alaska, but not in Wasilla.
What is your problem with the truth?
36888. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:01:00 AM
David Frum..conservative
Bush's speech writer
If BS were money, Sarah Palin could bailout Wall Street The National Review
36889. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:03:21 AM
Nobody was charged for a rape kit in Wasilla, rejexst. Ever. They were in Juneau and other parts of Alaska, but not in Wasilla.
Furthermore, Sarah Palin never advocated the practice of charging victims for rape kits. Ever.
She is totally blame free and clear in this matter.
What is your problem with the truth? You sound like a really desperate scumbag with your lies and smears.
36890. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:04:14 AM
I have the scumbag's toys to thank for the above bold text.
36891. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:04:17 AM
My problem is the Wasilla Frontiersman's problem..
McStain's campaign is blocking access to the records
Since you won't follow links in order to preserve your wilfull ignorance and deceit....
Rape kit question may go unanswered
By Michael Rovito
Frontiersman
Published on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:39 AM AKDT
36892. David Ehrenstein - 9/30/2008 11:05:55 AM
36893. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:06:01 AM
Any wonder that McStain's campaign is 6-10 points down and sinking???
They've been running on lies, now running on fumes
36894. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:07:57 AM
See the liar writhe. There were never any rape kits sold in Wasilla, and rejexst will never find evidence that there were.
Btw, rejexst is also lying that the McCain campaign is in any way involved here.
Very desperate times for Left Wing scumbags, it is clear.
36895. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:09:45 AM
Friday's headline today....
IF she manages to string two coherent sentences together the pundits will declare "Although Biden may have technically outperformed her, Palin exceed expectations going into the debate
36896. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:09:46 AM
It looks as if, from rejexst's cite, that Palin may have actually passed a law banning the sale of rape kits.
36897. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:11:25 AM
I am neither concerned nor suprised that she is an airhead
Biden's move is to turn every question on McStain and let Tina Fey deal with Simpleton Sister
36898. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:12:24 AM
Stupid as a pack of Palin's...If they never sold rape kits, why don't they just say so
36899. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:12:53 AM
Palin's Police Chief said otherwise
36900. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:14:43 AM
Tony KNOWLES was the GOVERNOR OF ALASKA who PASSED THE LAW BANNING PALIN's SALE OF RAPE KITS
Charlie Fannon was Wasilla’s police chief at the time and expressed disappointment with the new law, saying it would cost the Wasilla Police Department $5,000 to $14,000 a year
36901. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:16:26 AM
CHARLIE FANNON WAS PALIN's POLICE CHIEF
36902. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:18:26 AM
It looks as if, from rejexst's cite, that Palin may have actually passed a law banning the sale of rape kits.
Congratulations on your accomplishment
36903. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:22:52 AM
And rejexst continually confuses Fannon with Palin.
Talk about being 'stuck on stupid'.
36904. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:26:58 AM
The New York Times has this interactive graphic comparing House votes with the latest Cook Political Report
The conclusion is devastating for John McStain.
Strong Republican No Vote = 69%
Strong Dem No Vote = 38%
Clearly John McStain didn't deliver his own party.
The only thing missing is a Mission Accomplished Banner
36905. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:28:35 AM
The Lying Concerned Watch - The Bailout Failure Not Pelosi's Fault - John Shadegg (R-AZ)
36906. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:29:20 AM
Not confused at all
Either Palin didn't know what her police chief was doing or she did
36907. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:30:59 AM
Which was it - was she a stupid bitch or just a bitch?
That's where Gwen Ifil can help out
It shouldn't be hard to recall...it was a major stink in Alaska and in the local papers for nearly a year
Only 6500 people
36908. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:31:48 AM
ConJob caught in another LIE
Wasilla DID sell rape kits while Palin was mayor
Retard a'writhing
36909. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:33:59 AM
I still don't know why Nancy Pelosi is working so hard to save Bush and McStain...
As I urged her last night, she should adjourn NOW and let God sort it out
36910. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:41:26 AM
Alaska's Republican representative didn't even back the Bush-McStain-Palin position on the bailout
The Arizona delegation - four republicans...four no votes
If McStain-Wasilla can't bring their own along, why should Nancy and Barney Fag have to
No ConJob you don't have any "lifelines"
36911. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:47:34 AM
Poll: Public Rejects McCain's Claim That Dems To Blame For Bailout Collapse
By Eric Kleefeld - September 30, 2008, 12:35PM
It looks like the McCain campaign's efforts to pin the failure of the bailout on Barack Obama and Congressional Democrats aren't getting any traction, according to the new ABC/Washington Post poll, the first survey to look at this issue.
The numbers: Among registered voters, 44% blame the Congressional Republicans -- that is, the ones who actually voted against the bailout -- compared to only 21% who blame Congressional Dems, and 17% who blame both equally.
Also, the Democratic arguments over who is to blame for the crisis appear to be winning the day. George W. Bush is seen as the single most important cause of the crisis by 25% of voters, followed by financial institutions with 18%. Congress is blamed by only eight percent.
36912. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:47:53 AM
Re. 36908 -
No, Wasilla didn't sell rape kits while Palin was mayor.
And that's that.
36913. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:48:43 AM
You take it up with Palin's Police Chief
36914. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:48:45 AM
Subprime Mortgage public enemies list:
Frank
Dodd
Schumer
Rubin
Raines
Johnson
Maxine Waters
Reid
Pelosi
Rangel
BJ Xlowntoon
Paulson
36915. concerned - 9/30/2008 11:52:26 AM
Re. 36913 -
Your police chief never said any rape kits were sold in Wasilla during Palin's tenure as mayor. Nobody is saying that any were.
That means that no rape kits were sold in Wasilla while Palin was mayor, idiot.
The only way you can show I'm wrong is present explicit documentation for even one rape kit that was sold to a rape victim in Wasilla while Palin was mayor.
You obviously are unable to do that. You're just a fucking scumbag piece of smeary shit, rejexst.
36916. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:53:16 AM
As he becomes increasingly angy, reckless, and erratic there's a new urgency over McStained's medical health with election nearing
36917. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:54:27 AM
Charlie Fannon was Wasilla’s police chief at the time and expressed disappointment with the new law (prohibiting the sale of rape kits), saying it would cost the Wasilla Police Department $5,000 to $14,000 a year
36918. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:55:52 AM
There must have been quite a few rapes in Wasilla while Sarah was mayor! It was and is the Meth Capital of Alaska according to the State Police...maybe that had something to do with it
Shame she didn't know what her PD was doing..or did she?
36919. jexster - 9/30/2008 11:58:14 AM
I don't see anything wrong with opening up the discussion," said Ronald Bronow, former chief of dermatology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. "What we want to know is, what stage is this melanoma? Particularly with the prospect of the vice president becoming the president... If you are an objective physician, you have to be concerned about this."
Has the malignancy spread to the McBrain???
36920. jexster - 9/30/2008 12:04:31 PM
John McSame - Economic Disaster
36921. jexster - 9/30/2008 12:05:29 PM
He should suspend his campaign for the duration. Give the money to the Republicans to rebuild the wreck
36922. jexster - 9/30/2008 12:10:59 PM
McCrash N Burn: Poll: Obama Grabs The Lead In Florida
By Eric Kleefeld - September 30, 2008, 12:50PM
This could be big news. A new survey of Florida from Public Policy Polling (D) is giving Barack Obama the lead in Florida, where John McCain has led in virtually all the polls up to now.
The numbers: Obama 49%, McCain 46%, with a ±3.2% margin of error. Three weeks ago, PPP gave McCain a lead of 50%-45%, which was about in line with other polls from the time.
36923. jexster - 9/30/2008 1:52:51 PM
McMeltdown2008
McStained Crashes and Burns on Intrade Market
Obama also move out to a whopping 70 to 30 advantage on the IEM winner take all market
36924. alistairconnor - 9/30/2008 2:23:33 PM
Up up and away
The sky's the limit (no, 538's the limit.)
Place your bets. I'd say around 380.
36925. jexster - 9/30/2008 2:25:01 PM
Major League McBoner
Boehner's gamble: Could it cost him his job?
The Politico
No one risked more — for himself and for his party — on the bailout bill than the House GOP leader.
Thursday we shall see how many of the McStained vote YES after they voted NO
Nancy had two choices ...vote or no vote...no vote she walks the plank
Bring it up for a vote THEY do
36926. jexster - 9/30/2008 4:03:47 PM
Mark your calendars...CNN just ran a bit..RUSH LIMBAUGH and I AGREE
Let em fail
36927. jexster - 9/30/2008 4:05:19 PM
A little early for bets AC...unless you're FRENCH in which case the Federal Reserve Banks of USA! USA! has just dumped a portion of the 630 Billion bucks it just gave to FOREIGN BANKS
36928. arkymalarky - 9/30/2008 4:32:31 PM
Tom DeLay is still loathsome.
36929. jexster - 9/30/2008 4:58:01 PM
So's concerned
Their kind could survive a nuclear war
36930. arkymalarky - 9/30/2008 4:59:43 PM
But Con'd is going to vote for Obama.
36931. jexster - 9/30/2008 5:20:58 PM
From TPM's Bailout Burnout page
36932. jexster - 9/30/2008 5:25:19 PM
You HAVE had too much Kool-Aid arky or been in the Fouke city jail too long
36933. wonkers2 - 9/30/2008 5:33:49 PM
The little weenie exterminator from Sugarland.
36934. jexster - 9/30/2008 5:46:05 PM
Katie, I'd like to use one of my lifelines
WATCH: Couric Asks Palin How She Can Swipe At Biden's Age When McCain Is 72
36935. jexster - 9/30/2008 6:51:24 PM
Couric IV: Tina Fey Reads All News Sources
36936. jexster - 9/30/2008 6:54:27 PM
I think Tina is setting the media up for Thursday
Watch Couric's eyes
36937. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/30/2008 7:01:22 PM
Here's Palin in her swimsuit for Miss Alaska . . .
36938. jexster - 9/30/2008 7:06:18 PM
Bush now has the highest disapproval recorded since polling began in 1938
70%
36939. jexster - 9/30/2008 7:18:23 PM
George Will: "Palin is obviously not qualified to be president
36940. jexster - 9/30/2008 7:27:56 PM
Coming attraction....
Couric: Can you name one Supreme Court decision other than Roe v. Wade
Palin: Katie, I'd like to use one of my lifelines
She couldn't name one
Quite likely she didn't know that her Police Dude was peddling rape kits either
36941. jexster - 9/30/2008 7:55:51 PM
Troopergate Witness Flips Against Palin Under Oath
36942. jexster - 9/30/2008 8:02:03 PM
VA-Pres
Sep 30 InsiderAdvantageObama (D) 51%, McCain (R) 45%
36943. iiibbb - 9/30/2008 8:21:11 PM
So what's this simple accounting rule change that I just heard about on Rachael Maddow show?
Surely it can't be that simple.
36944. arkymalarky - 9/30/2008 8:49:00 PM
I was wondering the same thing. And what about the Fed putting $620 billion into the mix? I don't get any of this. Is the game that it's all pretend money, so why not? I'm feeling very existential all of a sudden and it's creeping me out.
36945. iiibbb - 9/30/2008 8:50:15 PM
Ah mark to market.... Enron game apparently
36946. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:05:50 PM
Rape Kits for Sale
Alaska Daily News Exposes Palin Lies and Corruption
36947. arkymalarky - 9/30/2008 9:08:13 PM
But what is it?
36948. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:09:06 PM
Marshall links to some accountants
Bankers love it. Accoutants don't
"Cooking the books" I believe is the term
36949. jexster - 9/30/2008 9:15:14 PM
AC Dr Wang has it 317 to 221
250 Safe for Obama
36950. arkymalarky - 9/30/2008 9:26:56 PM
Okay, but that regulation was just put in place last November. Sounds like the regulation exposed a problem that simply reversing won't cover up now.
36951. iiibbb - 9/30/2008 9:34:42 PM
my thoughts exactly.
36952. iiibbb - 9/30/2008 9:35:33 PM
Rachael may burn him tomorrow.
36953. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/1/2008 9:50:43 AM
36954. jexster - 10/1/2008 9:51:57 AM
WASHINGTON - Recently trailing or tied, Democrat Barack Obama now leads Republican John McCain in a trio of the most critical, vote-rich states five weeks before the election, according to presidential poll results released Wednesday.
The Democrat's support jumped to 50 percent or above in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania in Quinnipiac University surveys taken during the weekend — after the opening presidential debate and during Monday's dramatic stock market plunge as the House rejected a $700 billion financial bailout plan
36955. jexster - 10/1/2008 10:16:59 AM
McStained's up with a new version of GHWB's "don't worry be happy"
INDEPENDENCE, Mo. - Republican presidential candidate John McCain says that tough times have a way of showing what Americans can achieve
A golden oldie
Manufacturing has just slipped into recession per reports today
36956. jexster - 10/1/2008 10:23:24 AM
Nice to wake up to.
Will take that bet AC...5 centimes on Obama, you take what's his name
Pres '08
Oct 1 Pew
Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 42%
Pres '08
Oct 1 Rasmussen
Obama (D) 51%, McCain (R) 45%
PA-Pres
Oct 1 Franklin & Marshall
Obama (D) 48%, McCain (R) 43%
Pres '08
Oct 1 Res. 2000
Obama (D) 51%, McCain (R) 41%
36957. jexster - 10/1/2008 10:26:20 AM
Wasilla - The Walmart of Rape Kits
36958. jexster - 10/1/2008 10:31:40 AM
Four polls show Obama up in FL...Quinnipiac by a large margin
36959. magoseph - 10/1/2008 10:35:48 AM
McCain is going bonkers—he just echoed on TV what Obama plans to do as President —McCain must be rather desperate.
36960. jexster - 10/1/2008 10:51:54 AM
I really think we're in for a show. McStain's already pulled two stunts and it is not entirely because he's reckless and senile. Fundamentally it is because his internal polling is painting a grimmer picture than the public polling
As his time on this earth expires (34 days) and as Obama continues to tweak his temper as he did at the WH last Wed and at the debate, I look for a major public meltdown, maybe as early as the Tuesday "town hall" debate but certainly within the next 2-3 weeks
36961. jexster - 10/1/2008 10:54:01 AM
I am also looking toward a demobilization of the hard right GOP base because of the Palin and financial collapses (bailout vote)...The ABC/WaPo poll already shows a nearly 2 to 1 enthusiasm advantage. Obama GOTV will be infinitely superior and could be decisive in close races
36962. jexster - 10/1/2008 11:38:59 AM
A labor guy says that their polling shows a very fluid race in the battleground states with 15-20% still soft...the low information voters just connecting
That said, it is time for Sarah to call in her Witchdoctor
2 National Polls: Obama Way Up, Palin And Economy Dragging McCain Down
36963. jexster - 10/1/2008 11:49:45 AM
36964. jexster - 10/1/2008 12:02:47 PM
She's better at selling rape kits
CNN: Palin Has Never Seen Russia From Alaska
36965. jexster - 10/1/2008 12:08:31 PM
That GOP congressthing = FROM ILLINOIS
In other ConJob lies
Palins Alakska Approval Ratings Tumble
36966. jexster - 10/1/2008 12:15:58 PM
Wasilla Made Rape Victims Pay
Boston Globe Editorial
36967. jexster - 10/1/2008 12:16:39 PM
Now ConJob should have a sense of what it feels like to have been raped
36968. jexster - 10/1/2008 12:25:46 PM
An ages-old problem that Robert and I are familiar with....
36969. jexster - 10/1/2008 2:15:53 PM
Saw Nate Silver on Olbermann (80% win, 338 EV)....and I do have a weakness for geeky kosher meat..
Nate's Kleefeld Klass!
36970. jexster - 10/1/2008 4:24:02 PM
No wonder ole Crash n Burn's a little testy these days
CNN Poll: Big Gains For Obama In Battlegrounds:
FL +4%, MN +11%, MO + 1%, NV + 4%, VA +9%
36971. jexster - 10/1/2008 4:31:12 PM
GEEK FIGHT!
The eRection year donnybrook between Dr. Wang and Nate Silver continues...
Dr. Wang say:
36972. jexster - 10/1/2008 4:55:06 PM
Several GOP strategists close to McCain's campaign privately fret that his chances for victory are starting to slip away.
These Republicans, speaking on condition of anonymity to avoid angering the campaign, point to several factors: Obama's gains nationally and in traditionally GOP states, no McCain gain from the first debate, McCain's struggles with economic issues as the financial crisis has unfolded and deepening public skepticism about his running mate, Sarah Palin.
They said McCain's options for shaking up the race are essentially limited to game-changing performances in the final presidential debates or in Palin's vice presidential debate with Joe Biden Thursday night. Short of that, they said, McCain can do little but hope Obama stumbles or an outside event breaks the GOP nominee's way.
AP +7
36973. jexster - 10/1/2008 4:55:53 PM
BTW..Dr. Wang's model now show NO probabilies 0 out of 10,000 of a McStain EV win
36974. jexster - 10/1/2008 6:20:48 PM
ANOTHER FL Poll
FL-Pres
Oct 1 Suffolk
Obama (D) 46%, McCain (R) 42%
and one out of Iowa
Obama 55
McStain 39
36975. jexster - 10/1/2008 6:21:16 PM
CBS +9
36976. jexster - 10/1/2008 6:55:17 PM
I was wondering where they'd find someone suitably vacuous
Michigan Governor Granholm Pretending To Be Sarah Palin For Joe Biden
36977. jexster - 10/1/2008 7:14:48 PM
I may never again say that ConJob is a MORAN
36978. jexster - 10/1/2008 7:14:58 PM
Then again...
36979. jexster - 10/1/2008 7:26:58 PM
THE POLL: A South Bend Tribune/WSBT poll of 600 likely voters in the presidential election in Indiana (11 electoral votes).
THE NUMBERS: John McCain 46 percent, Barack Obama 45 percent.
Jeez
36980. jexster - 10/1/2008 7:39:58 PM
Murphy: Republicans See "Stunning Lack of Competence in McCain Campaign"
36981. iiibbb - 10/1/2008 8:09:31 PM
So what happens if Obama votes for this wildly unpopular bill... and McCain surprises us with a "no" vote?
36982. iiibbb - 10/1/2008 9:10:41 PM
Voted yes...
... I have no idea what the right thing to do is. Did they leave themselves room to modify it later?
36983. iiibbb - 10/1/2008 9:30:44 PM
On the one hand there are people I want to trust that are for it. There are people I want to trust against it. There are people that state a reason against it, and when I do follow-up reading they're wrong. There are people that state a reason for it, and when I do follow-up reading they're wrong. My gut says that giving the gov't this much money is a bad thing, my gut is also fearful of the wrong move. I really don't think anyone understands any of this no matter how emphatic they may scream at the internet about it... we need to make a decision quickly, but we need to discuss and debate it thoroughly.
I just hope they left a means to modify this after January. There's no way to get a considered read on this until the election is over with.
Too much shit going on.
For better or for worse, I just don't see how McCain/Palin can be allowed to win.
36984. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 8:48:53 AM
You know... the gov't is how many trillions in debt up from a couple hundred billion since 2000...
...what the fuck did we get for that money anyway?
If I went on a credit card binge... you'd think I'd at least wind up with some cool stuff... new car... some nice toys... infrastructure.
What did we get? A whole lot of nothing.
36985. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:00:25 AM
McCain Says Bailout Bill He Voted For Is "Putting Us On The Brink Of Economic Disaster"
36986. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/2/2008 10:35:00 AM
Greedy America was warned and they still ignore this prophet--please share this . . .
36987. jexster - 10/2/2008 10:39:14 AM
OH-Pres
Oct 1 GQR Obama (D) 49%, McCain (R) 43%
MI-Pres
Oct 2 PPP Obama (D) 51%, McCain (R) 41%
36988. robertjayb - 10/2/2008 10:56:55 AM
Anyone have personal experience with this credit "crisis" or know anyone who has?
36989. jexster - 10/2/2008 10:57:44 AM
Dorgan can smell the rotten gefilte fish
36990. jexster - 10/2/2008 11:03:44 AM
Some of my best friends are you know who's but they are middle merchants, accountants and lawyers
My brother is freaking out because he is the treasurer of his parish church...they went and opened a 1 million line of credit so he's now watching his payments go increasingly toward interest as LIBOR (an ancient Hebrew term?) goes through the roof
Their LOC is expiring next year as is two friends' loan on a commercial property in Berkeley. Both are freaking that they won't get refinanced because of the "credit crunch"
Dr. Doom, Nouriel Roubini it's all a scam of international financiers and bankers
36991. jexster - 10/2/2008 11:05:36 AM
Wizzer and his Gold Coast pals, wonkers and his Yacht club chums are laughing all the way to their investment banks
36992. jexster - 10/2/2008 11:21:43 AM
The Era of Angry Populism
Robert Reich
36993. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/2/2008 11:22:22 AM
My father was a compulsive gambler and owned race horses--I was wised up to speculation at a very young age. When it comes to art and "investments," I'm as conservative as they come.
I have a niece who had to convert to Judaism in order to marry her multi-millionaire developer husband. He and his arrogant father own their own jets and live in Stamford. My niece has become an unhappy pampered asshole and I confess to a certain amount of schadenfreude wrt their anxietyĐand believe me, they aren't laughing.
36994. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 11:28:30 AM
I don't have much of anything but I am not laughing. We got stretched pretty thin because of this move and this past year of stress. I don't have nearly the buffer that I'd like to have...
36995. jexster - 10/2/2008 11:42:17 AM
36993...I KNEW IT
Have some High Holy Days WizzenHeimer
36996. jexster - 10/2/2008 11:52:46 AM
Several hundred banks will have to fail before this is over. Better sooner than later
Nouriel Roubini
BBC HardTalk
36997. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:00:08 PM
Roubini: "The Mother of all bank runs"
(Bloomberg radio)
36998. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:12:12 PM
The recession train has already left the station...the financial collapse train has already left the station Roubini
36999. thoughtful - 10/2/2008 12:16:38 PM
Roubini has been the most pessimistic and unfortunately he's been the most right.
I wish congress would buy his solution which focuses on home owners.
37000. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:17:59 PM
His point isn't rocket science...Congreff has been stampeded into adopting a plan without any input from anyone who knows what she is talking about
37001. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:18:12 PM
Dr. Doom!!!
37002. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:19:06 PM
Another good point...The markets are already coming to realize that the Bailout won't work, and may make things worse
37003. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:20:13 PM
Great interview
37004. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/2/2008 12:20:57 PM
Have some High Holy Days WizzenHeimer
Up yours, San Franciso-Trailer-Trash!
37005. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:34:59 PM
Obama's health plan superior - Analysis
An analysis of the two starkly different approaches to reforming the U.S. health care system offered by John McCain and Barack Obama suggests Obama's plan has the best chance of making health care more affordable, accessible, efficient and higher in quality.
The report, released on Thursday by the Commonwealth Fund, sized up the presidential candidates' plans for dealing with a health care system which has left nearly 46 million people uninsured and many more underinsured.
37006. jexster - 10/2/2008 12:59:13 PM
Simpleton Sister One Stop!
(rape kits not included)
37007. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 1:12:36 PM
McCain just surrendered in Michigan.
37008. jexster - 10/2/2008 1:32:46 PM
David Brooks has joined the growing chorus of conservatives
PALIN IS A MORAN
37009. jexster - 10/2/2008 1:33:39 PM
What does that mean I3?
Is he suspending for the next 33 days of his worthless political life?
37010. jexster - 10/2/2008 1:47:17 PM
I3's so oblique
McCain Pulling out of Palin..err Michigan
37011. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 1:47:31 PM
I assume it means that he's going to throw his efforts into OH or PA. He probably he can't win either if he plays for all three, so he's going to make a play for OH.
538.com gives McCain only a 2% chance of losing OH and winning the election.
37012. David Ehrenstein - 10/2/2008 1:49:45 PM
Latest FaBlog: Fait Diver -- John Sings Randy
37013. jexster - 10/2/2008 1:53:25 PM
He's pulled out of Michigan but he won't pull out of Palin
Dr Wang say if the eRection were held today, McStained's chances of winning would be less than zero
Politico's EV count 353
37014. jexster - 10/2/2008 2:22:20 PM
Roubini's right again...said Monday that there'd be a fools rally in a stock market already wising up to the coming of the Great McBush depression
The Senate passed the McBailout handily
Dow down 350 points
Let a smile be your umbrella...
Dr. Doom
So where's ConJob? Setting up his Wasilla Rape Kit auction on Ebay I bet
37015. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 2:42:50 PM
He's out buying silver
37016. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/2/2008 4:44:35 PM
37017. alistairConnor - 10/2/2008 4:59:08 PM
For light relief : interview Palin yourself!
Computer-generated stream-of-consciousness answers. Amazingly authentic.
37018. jexster - 10/2/2008 5:40:58 PM
Postal
About what I expect as well
37019. jexster - 10/2/2008 5:58:25 PM
NWord takes charge....
Joe Klein: Anger vs. Steadiness in the Crisis
While McCain blusters, Obama is keeping his head. And now he's taking control of the election
37020. jexster - 10/2/2008 6:04:29 PM
McSame's Nosedive: Short Term Tactics, Long Term Problems
"The well of false sanctimony is not a bottomless pit," explains one Republican consultant. "I think they have reached the bottom of the well."
37021. David Ehrenstein - 10/2/2008 6:20:52 PM
37022. jexster - 10/2/2008 6:21:59 PM
AC I am IMPRESSED
Now that Dr. Wang has linked the Palin Interview; told me that it is based on a Markov-chain model, and I have no earthly idea what that is....
37023. jexster - 10/2/2008 6:32:52 PM
37024. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 6:57:22 PM
I am not counting McCain out yet...
37025. jexster - 10/2/2008 6:58:25 PM
37021...I feel ya...Robert does too.
37026. jexster - 10/2/2008 7:37:45 PM
McCain today urged Bush to veto the bailout bill he just voted for.
37027. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:06:05 PM
She went immediately to the hockey rink
37028. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:31:43 PM
What a dingbat
37029. robertjayb - 10/2/2008 8:47:42 PM
Biden should lose the shit-eating grin. Doesn't he realize he is having his nuts cut off? The lady is shallow but swift. And if Ifil is in the tank for Obama it certainly not evident.
37030. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:48:10 PM
Nothing that will change the basic dynamic steady movement toward Obama...Dodgers 0 Cubs 0
37031. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:48:39 PM
HE should lose the grin
37032. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:51:33 PM
McStain health care Ultimate bridge to nowhere..now we see why McCain fought to limit the back and forth...
He waxed McCain on Wall St....but then that's not hard ..that's why she kept changing the subject
37033. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:52:19 PM
Biden's job is to ignore the bitch and he's done very well...
37034. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:56:21 PM
There have been huge blunders (in for policy) in this administration as in every administration...he's the maverick..he will bring reform to Washington
There's plenty to sustain the Palin as imbecile line
37035. jexster - 10/2/2008 8:56:57 PM
My god what an idiot
37036. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:07:16 PM
Too bad people started watching the ball game during the fp portion
37037. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/2/2008 9:07:36 PM
What a snarky fuckette! Cal Gal must adore her.
37038. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:15:08 PM
She's kicking Biden's butt - I love it!
37039. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:23:22 PM
John McCain has been the consummate maverick..we've got to win the wars, save the economy x 30?
37040. magoseph - 10/2/2008 9:23:38 PM
So far, the Uncommitted Ohio Voter Perception-A-Tron on CNN likes Biden best.
37041. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:23:53 PM
what a ditz
37042. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:24:50 PM
We're looking at a major Obama win in 32 days
37043. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:26:03 PM
Lol!
37044. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:26:30 PM
Has Biden started crying yet?
37045. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:26:31 PM
Sure they like Biden best..but that's not the question...it's did he rip McCain for Obama...
He's mostly ignored the airhead who's managed to give the media even more "she's an imbecile" material
Hell she's lost David Brooks, the National Review, George Will and is sinking the ticket
37046. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:28:02 PM
New Hampshire...perfect example
Neck and neck until now
Obama's opened a 12 point lead in the last week
37047. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:28:51 PM
If the election were held today
37048. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:29:49 PM
IOW less than ZERO chance Mcstained would win
37049. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:30:14 PM
What an airhole
37050. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:30:47 PM
McCain just shut down his Michigan campaign
37051. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 9:30:49 PM
She didn't stammer much.
37052. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/2/2008 9:31:13 PM
She's kicking Biden's butt - I love it!
Egads, Jen! She's not answering any of the questions and dodges them with memorized boilerplate that her handlers gave her. She's a beauty-contestant/weather-girl who can regurgitate what's she's been told, but hasn't the presence of mind to respond with genuine personal thoughts.
Wake up woman!!!!
37053. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:31:26 PM
This administration has had some huge failures
Sarah
37054. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:33:13 PM
Dr. Wang is right
They're chop suey
37055. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:34:13 PM
I went to take a shower when Ifil asked her about extending equality to same sex couples in AK
Jen did you get her answer?
37056. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:36:44 PM
Has Biden started crying yet?
37057. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:38:10 PM
Palin kept calling the US commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"
That was the civil war
The man's name is McKiernan
37058. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:38:19 PM
She's a beauty-contestant/weather-girl who can regurgitate what's she's been told, but hasn't the presence of mind to respond with genuine personal thoughts
Nah, she came across as articulate, intelligent and real. She was much less plasticated than Biden - Mr. Joe Washington Hack.
37059. robertjayb - 10/2/2008 9:38:49 PM
Jeezaleezus! She brought the baby.
37060. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:39:20 PM
Bristol's retard???
37061. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:39:37 PM
Jexster,
I liked it when Biden said that Petreus wasn't for a surge, but that he was for more troops.
37062. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:40:18 PM
Why shouldn't she bring her baby?
37063. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:40:41 PM
Much less "plasticated"
One scoop short of an eskimo pie
If BS were money, Sarah Palin could bailout Wall Street
The National Review
37064. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:40:56 PM
That isn't even a word
37065. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:42:08 PM
I liked it when Palin said (twice) that the Bush admin had been a huge failure
BTW...you need to have your hearing checked...didn't happen
37066. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:43:05 PM
It did happen - *I* didn't go 'take a shower', hon.
37067. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 9:43:06 PM
I think they did well.
I was really impressed with Biden. No gaffes either.
I will hand it to her. For someone who's been cramming for this test she'd did pretty well. Her idea about expanding Vice-President's powers was underwhelming.
She dodged more questions than he did.
She seemed more coached... but she had a lot to memorize.
37068. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:43:08 PM
"We're spending $10 billion a month while the Iraqis have a $80 billion surplus. Barack says it's time for them to spend their own money have the 400,000 military we've trained for them begin to take their own responsibility, and gradually over 6 month -- 16 months, withdraw.
John McCain, this is a fundamental difference between us: We will end this war. For John McCain, there is no end in sight to end this war. Fundamental difference: We will end this war."
We haven't got enough money to fight McCain's wars
37069. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 9:43:31 PM
I'd probably score it 60:40 Biden:Palin
37070. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:43:54 PM
Palin did well.
37071. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:44:15 PM
Show me the transcript..I saw the entire FP portion
So what about samesex couples benefits in AK?
37072. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:44:24 PM
I'd score it the opposite - 60/40 Palin/Biden.
37073. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:44:51 PM
So what about samesex couples benefits in AK?
read it in the transcripts!
37074. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:46:04 PM
Biden did his job...he hammered McCain, ignored Palin...the polls will continue to move our way..McCain will lose it publicly at some point in the next 2-3 weeks...goes postal
37075. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:46:41 PM
What did she say Jen?
Or RU ashamed of the answer
37076. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:47:38 PM
All eyes were on Palin and she did well. The problem is SHE is more interesting than McCain and Biden.
37077. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:48:11 PM
Soon after this, people switched to Cubs/Dodgers
Until two weeks ago, it was two Mondays ago, John McCain said at 9 o'clock in the morning that the fundamentals of the economy were strong. Two weeks before that he said we'd made great economic progress under George Bush's policies. Nine o'clock the economy was strong, 11 o'clock that same day two Monday ago, John McCain said that we had an economic crisis. That doesn't make john McCain a bad guy, but it does point out he's out of touch.
37078. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 9:48:17 PM
Palin didn't do badly, but on content she was far behind Biden and he got off the best potential soundbite with the "Bridge to nowhere" comment.
And David Gregory is an idiot.
37079. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:48:34 PM
Jexster - both Biden and Palin are for keeping marriage as defined as 'one man and one woman'.
37080. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 9:49:02 PM
Palin would have impressed me more if she had not fallen into that Shirley Temple "golly-gee-whiz" shtick.
37081. jexster - 10/2/2008 9:49:40 PM
I score it - meaningless except for the boners which the media may or may not use
There have been huge failures in this administration as there have been in every administration
The only line that could possibly pass into the weekend
37082. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:50:09 PM
I liked her jab at him about being a Washington-insider who will basically flip flop on what he stands for.
37083. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:51:10 PM
Re 37081
Oh, I am sure we'll here it from you at least 20 more times just tonight. You love to spam!
37084. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 9:52:03 PM
I actually thought that backfired for two reasons: it sounded like rehash from four years ago, and McCain doesn't want to call attention to the issue of flip-flops after his shifts in the past month, especially.
37085. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:53:07 PM
McCain needs to grow some balls.
37086. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 9:53:26 PM
And the "Washington-insider" had the same effect. In fact, anything she says as a generalization about Biden can be applied to McCain.
37087. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:54:45 PM
Personally, I think this debate didn't change anyone's opinions. Those who were leaning toward Palin or McCain to begin with are most likely still with them. And those who like Obama and Biden probably enjoyed Biden's performance.
SSDD.
37088. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 9:54:57 PM
I know Republicans are going to vote for McCain and that a lot of them don't really like him, but I'm getting the sense in the last week that he doesn't even want to win.
37089. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 9:56:30 PM
McCain seems more interested in trying to win Democrat votes than Republican votes.
I don't like McCain or Obama.
37090. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 9:57:29 PM
Biden does have a tendency to screw up, even though he gets in some good zingers, and David Gergen said it was Biden's best debate performance ever. After seeing tapes of Palin's Alaska debates I knew she was going to be better than we were being led to believe, which leaves me feeling like we've been played. They did that with Bush, as well.
37091. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 9:59:51 PM
A lot of people in AR feel that way. For traditional yellow-dog Democrats I suspect race has a lot to do with it.
37092. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 10:08:07 PM
37082. Jenerator - 10/3/2008 4:50:09 AM
I liked her jab at him about being a Washington-insider who will basically flip flop on what he stands for.
She has her own record of Washington style flip-flopping. She admitted as much when talking about budgets she'd passed... and she was for the bridge before she was against it.
37093. Jenerator - 10/2/2008 10:12:04 PM
"Your plan is a white flag of surrender in Iraq."
37094. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 10:24:38 PM
10 Billion a month in Iraq. For what? We went there under false pretenses. We could've been engaging terror where terror resides. It completely takes away from our ability to address the real front.
Because of Iraq, we've got no flexibility for dealing with the economic crisis as well.
37095. arkymalarky - 10/2/2008 10:29:06 PM
For the first time that I can remember, I'm really fearful about what's coming.
37096. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/2/2008 10:52:30 PM
Regarding: Economy? Election? Planet Earth? Death?
37097. iiibbb - 10/2/2008 11:08:16 PM
The first 2... Economy & Election
Planet earth is still salvageable. Death can happen anytime.
37098. concerned - 10/2/2008 11:35:24 PM
14 Lies from Joe (the Plagiarist) Biden this evening:
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
37099. concerned - 10/2/2008 11:35:38 PM
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
Actually he told a number of other whoppers in addition to the above. If I have time, I'll detail them later.
Considering that and the fact that he spent about 70% of him time going off on GWB instead of presenting anything new to speak of, he's proof that the 0bama campaign represents nothing new, just the same failed policies that American voters have rejected time and again.
Given that, and Palin's overall good debate performance, I have to award her the overall decision for this evening. You simply can't win a debate by lying all the time, and Biden was lying more than a pit with 50 snakes in it.
37100. concerned - 10/2/2008 11:37:26 PM
Never fear, Moties. rejexst will show us that he can outlie Biden or just about anybody else in existence, once again.
37101. concerned - 10/2/2008 11:44:12 PM
Now I understand that c-rapper Pee Didies says Palin 'scares' him.
Pee Didies is scawed of a widdle girl.
Somebody give Pee Didies a pacifier and tuck him into his crib with his widdle dolly before he drops a load...please.
37102. concerned - 10/2/2008 11:46:01 PM
Hitler was a community organizer too, you know. He moved all the German Jews into gas ovens.
37103. winstonsmith - 10/3/2008 12:05:00 AM
Uh-Oh, Palin loses another troopergate battle:
Judge refuses to block state investigation of Gov. Palin
Posted: Oct 2, 2008 05:20 PM
Updated: 5:20 p.m.
by Channel 2 News Staff
Thursday, October 2, 2008
ANCHORAGE, Alaska-- An Alaska judge has refused to block the state investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan this summer.
Anchorage Judge Peter Michalski said in his ruling Thursday that much of what was raised in a lawsuit seeking to halt the probe was business left to the Legislative branch.
Five Republican state legislators asked the judge to order a temporary restraining order last week, claiming the investigation has been tainted by partisan politics.
An independent investigator hired by the Legislative Council, Steve Branchflower is expected to have his report completed by Oct. 10.
37104. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:06:46 AM
"My nose grew this long during my debate with Sarah Palin!"
37105. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:08:44 AM
When winstonsmith stops peeing himself after he sees the pathetic results of this witch hunt, he'll slink away again.
37106. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:13:08 AM
Re. 37088 -
I suspect the same, unfortunately. Like more than one other Republican I can think of, he doesn't want to lower himself to the gutter Democrat level of pigsty politics.
37107. winstonsmith - 10/3/2008 12:13:49 AM
I refuse to stop peeing myself until Obama is sworn in as President. Fortunately, things are looking pretty good for that eventuality.
37108. winstonsmith - 10/3/2008 12:16:59 AM
I agree with Arky that connie is a closet Obama supporter. Theres no shame in it. Come to Obama...
37109. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:21:22 AM
Re. 37103 -
'Independent', rejexst's ass. Branchflower is a bigtime 0bama supporter & probable operative.
37110. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:23:43 AM
I knew she was going to be better than we were being led to believe, which leaves me feeling like we've been played.
'We've been played' translated is: too lazy to do your homework.
37111. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:27:09 AM
Btw, medical researchers now believe the AIDS virus originated near the beginning of the 20th Century.
Damn. Didn't know the CIA was around back then.
37112. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:29:06 AM
Remember the African American mantra which went something like: 'The white racist Republican motherfuckers at the CIA developed the AIDS virus to wipe out black people worldwide'?
I certainly do.
37113. concerned - 10/3/2008 12:31:18 AM
For the first time that I can remember, I'm really fearful about what's coming.
In that case, give me 10% of your gross earned income, and you can live life otherwise just as if 0bama is president, except that you'll be less likely to be randomly assaulted.
37114. judithathome - 10/3/2008 3:31:01 AM
WHAT in the hell does the AIDS virus have to do with the debate, Palin, Obama, McCain OR Obama? Do any of them have it...was it discussed last night?
37115. judithathome - 10/3/2008 3:47:21 AM
Jen, if you call Palin's performance "kicking Biden's butt", you need to get a refund on that fancy degree you obtained.
Maybe you think dodging the question and answering any old way you like..." energy policy" was the answer to almost the entire first half of the debate...and being "folksy" stands for intelligence, then you learned different rules of debate than I did.
She did a credible job, I'll give her that much. Considering so many expected her to come out and drool on the podium, she did pretty well but she hardly kicked anyone's butt. It was so odd...you could tell which lines she regurgitated and which came straight from her gut.
I would think even you would be sick of the cult of "ah shucks" personality we've had running the country for almost 8 years. I can't take another 4 years of "eye-rack" and 'nucular", of all those hecks and gosh-darn-its and "I tell ya"s.
Past IS prologue...those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
That might not hold, however, if your history is only 5 weeks old, as she claimed last night. She seems to be learning from her mistakes...even if she has to lie about some of them. Example: that was not a joke about her not knowing what the Vice President's job is. And you could tell by her answer last night she hasn't yet learned, not even from a 5 week old history.
37116. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:52:23 AM
Couric Moment
37117. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:54:13 AM
Salon saw the same debate I did. Biden v. McCain ..Palin v. Palin
37118. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:59:04 AM
As I said
CNN Poll
37119. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:00:59 AM
Even David Brooks, George WIll, David Frum and the National Review say Palin isn't qualified..not like that's a huge reach for any one
37120. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:04:49 AM
Damn I am good at this. I nailed the snap polls 2 debates in a row
37121. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:09:56 AM
ANd CNN's snap poll of viewers remarkably similar to the ABC predebate poll
37122. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:14:52 AM
CBS Poll: Biden Wins Early numbers from a nationally representative poll of 473 uncommitted voters give Biden a significant edge: 46 percent say he won compared to 21 percent for Palin. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie.
She did manage to break even in the Luntz group but more of the undecideds committed to Obama than to McStained.
37123. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:23:27 AM
you need to get a refund on that fancy degree you obtained.
JAH keeps pickin that Baylor scab but I think I missed the underlying joke
37124. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:39:47 AM
32 days
EAST LANSING, Mich., Oct. 2 -- Sen. John McCain on Thursday officially abandoned his efforts to win in Michigan, deeming it a lost cause after internal polls showed the Republican presidential nominee trailing badly in the economically hard-hit state, according to officials with the campaign and the state party.
37125. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:49:05 AM
Nouriel Roubini's convinced were in the beginning stages of a very long, deep recession, the worst since the Big One
Krugman's coming around to that view as well.
Economy on the Edge of Abyss
37126. judithathome - 10/3/2008 6:48:39 AM
Jex, Jen comes in early in the debate and says Palin is kicking Biden's butt...and she still thinks that is true after the debate, according to posts she made elsewhere.
Ergo, I said she needed a refund on her degree because her cognitive skills don't seem that....honed. To me. I thought that was what they taught in school? Jen used to debate, did she not? In college?
So how could she think some rote remarks and not even answering points that were made was "kicking butt"?
37127. iiibbb - 10/3/2008 8:28:25 AM
37128. iiibbb - 10/3/2008 8:29:46 AM
I basically know now I could never run for office.
My brain has been internetted.
37129. thoughtful - 10/3/2008 8:53:36 AM
Hahaha IsBs...that about captures it!
There were a couple of things I noticed about the debate.
One was I was thankful that other than a few blesseds there was no embarrassing mention of god, jesus, who is your best role-model type stuff where the candidates would've been forced to out 'christ' themselves for political purposes, which I find disgusting. (Though I have to admit I'd have enjoyed hearing sarah answer if she fears witchcraft on a daily basis or how man survived the early days seeing as he was walking the earth with t rex and brontosauri!)
Another thing was the expectations for her performance were set so low that if she put together a coherent sentence, she was a winner...same tactic used by w and team in his first presidential debate.
When it comes to winning personality points, it goes to Sarah. I was glad to see them moderate her beehive somewhat as well. When it comes to cosmetic treatments to make the forehead wrinkles disappear, it's all Joe's.
And for all the brouhaha, mccain was the only debater not to wear an american flag, tho her flag pin was so large and sparkly i guess it more than made up of the lack of his.
The good thing Biden did was actually answer the question. The bad thing he did was actually answer the question and thus not hit back hard enough on the charges she threw at him....especially that bit about the 'white flag' iraq policy. I so wanted him to ask her if she remembered a guy by the name of bush who said, "we'll stand down as they stand up" and with 400,000 trained troops and 'peace' breaking out all over, isn't it time for the gopers to execute their own plan???? and maybe focus on the actual war on terror in afghanistan???
But alas, that was not to be. It was a big mistake for him to let that remark go IMO.
Her answer on the role of the vp was just bizarre. No doubt this woman has never actually read the constitution, which, in her case, is a job description for the position she's applying for. unforgivable.
The other burning question in my mind is, I wonder over the last 3 days, how much time they spent drilling into her head supreme court cases other than roe v wade.
I give the edge to Biden, tho just barely. He proved himself as capable to take over the presidency. She proved herself capable of appealing to the rural masses. And considering who they each are playing to, I doubt they swayed many minds either way.
37130. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:10:31 AM
With the snap polls showing Biden winning handily, the campaign is already out with a new ad from last night's debate
Bridge to Nowhere
37131. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:12:42 AM
It's that you are always raggin her about her Baylor education...is that school like some sort of Tejas joke? My Tejas family went to Rice so I dunno much except everyone else plays better football
37132. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:24:23 AM
37133. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:25:41 AM
I thought Jen studied Babdissism
37134. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:31:31 AM
WHat most pundits, lost in their Beltway confections about Palin, fail to grasp is that, as I said before the debate began, Palin had to debate herself, Biden could deal with McCain and ignore her
That's what happened. That's why Biden "won" in the minds of most who watched it, but most importantly that is why Biden advanced Obama's position and Palin did not.
Dan Balz gets it
37135. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:36:18 AM
37136. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:41:26 AM
Rasmussen
Oct 3
Obama (D) 51% McCain (R) 44%
GWU
Oct 3
Obama (D) 50% McCain (R) 43%
Res. 2000
Oct 3
Obama (D) 51% McCain (R) 40%
37137. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:42:34 AM
37108
I think Winnie's been drinkin to much of Granny Arky's elixir
37138. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:44:29 AM
Krauthammer Gives The Race To Obama
Baby blue
37139. jexster - 10/3/2008 9:57:43 AM
37140. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2008 10:03:09 AM
37141. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2008 10:06:17 AM
37142. jexster - 10/3/2008 10:12:34 AM
37143. jexster - 10/3/2008 10:34:48 AM
The Great George Herber Hoover Bush Depression
Schwarzenegger to U.S.: State may need $7-billion loan
In a letter obtained by The Times, the governor warns that tight credit has dried up funds California routinely relies on and it may have to seek emergency aid within weeks.
37144. jexster - 10/3/2008 10:41:17 AM
37145. jexster - 10/3/2008 10:59:51 AM
Will McStain go quietly, die like a man or like an old bitch in a gasping last minute paroxysm of hysterics and character assassination???
37146. jexster - 10/3/2008 11:22:02 AM
She's even more ridiculous looking on re-runs..Oh yeah..state court threw out McPalin suit to block Independent Investigation of TrooperGate
37147. jexster - 10/3/2008 11:31:20 AM
37148. judithathome - 10/3/2008 11:45:59 AM
Thoughtful, you have to admit that Biden showed great restraint in not correcting her bungling of the commander's name...she repeated it incorrectly twice in her "answer"...when it went back to Biden, he again referred to the "commander in Afghanistan"...he could have corrected her mistake but instead, left that to the pundits and didn't get tagged with beating up on her. Ha!
37149. jexster - 10/3/2008 11:54:21 AM
My personal favorite:
37150. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:03:00 PM
I went to take a shower so here's the DoubleTalk that Jen conveniently forgot..as the National Review said "If BS were money, Palin could bailout Wall Street"
37151. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:11:56 PM
at the conclusion of the Speaker's Speech, the MSNBC Congressional guy wet his pants
"I wish all parents could gather they're children and tell them to remember one of the greatest moments in American History"
Nancy RULZ the GOP
She made them walk the plank
She takes the garlands
37152. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:16:14 PM
And it's all over now, baby blue
37153. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:20:07 PM
He was SO cute when he was young..and I have such a weakness for geeky kosher meats
37154. thoughtful - 10/3/2008 12:25:50 PM
j@h, no doubt Biden could've come across as looking patronizing or dismissive and he didn't. That was good. But that was offset by the fact that she could've come across as looking inarticulate and idiotic and she didn't. So I think both sides avoided the worst of the minefields.
And while I personally preferred biden's fact-based and more direct answers to the questions, the average american judges more on 'likeability' and she came across as fresher and more like someone you'd want to have a beer with ... or go moose hunting with... than he did. He comes across as a rich guy who's never seen a grocery scanner. Not that most politicians don't look like that, but it was sharp contrast to Palin's down-home act. Biden looks like an insider, she does not.
Not how I judge a candidate, but I'm not the only one voting.
37155. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:27:59 PM
.
The vagabond who's rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore.
Strike another match, go start anew
And it's all over now, Baby Blue.
37156. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:30:03 PM
T'fill totally misssed the boat
Palin lost the debate...You fell for the Beltway BS...The people didn't. They didn't give a crap whether she beat the pundit's expectations.
She didn't beat THEIR expectations for a VP
Biden ignored her and in doing so, he kicked ass
37157. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:32:29 PM
The only voters she aroused - Capn Dirty's crowd
Believe me ..I just got back from the corner store...a middle aged married guy, an Obama supporter
"She's a looker eh?"
Nods lustily
Turns up MSNBC rerun
37158. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:33:14 PM
You over think Thoughtful and/or can't think with your crotch like we mens do
37159. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:47:10 PM
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun, Crying like a fire in the sun
Fuckin chop suey Obama 344 McStained 194
37160. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:50:03 PM
Boy they are SCREWING McCain on the House Floor...recalling the words of Obama, the Messiah who led us to salvation
37161. jexster - 10/3/2008 12:51:17 PM
Last week this time, ConJob was cackling about how brilliant he thought McCrash's "suspension" was
Today ConJob is selling Wasilla Rape Kits on EBay
37162. jexster - 10/3/2008 1:10:14 PM
Gee Idiot George bounced out of his Orifice to thank Speaker Pelosi, Boner etc
Didn't even mention the Maverick?
Did you know he was a POW?
37163. jexster - 10/3/2008 1:33:10 PM
That's my girl!
Palin says debate went well as polls favor Biden
37164. thoughtful - 10/3/2008 2:04:55 PM
t'fill missing the boat? this from the guy who thought kerry was a shoo-in?
37165. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2008 2:22:16 PM
Gwen Ifill was such a coward and I'm sure she'll regret her performance for the rest of her life. The right-wingers intimidated her with their usual bullying and threats. They should have unbiased Brit newspeople as moderators.
37166. magoseph - 10/3/2008 2:34:41 PM
37167. David Ehrenstein - 10/3/2008 2:44:40 PM
Here's a very important Palin clip.
37168. jexster - 10/3/2008 2:57:19 PM
T'fill ....you should go get some of Jen's memory pills or R they Mother's Little Helpers?
37169. jexster - 10/3/2008 2:57:54 PM
Maybe ConJob needs some help with his Ebay project
37170. jexster - 10/3/2008 2:59:31 PM
Maybe we get a credit/default swap for ya
37171. jexster - 10/3/2008 3:14:04 PM
Homer Tries to Vote for Obama
37172. judithathome - 10/3/2008 3:17:19 PM
David, thank you so much for that link!
37173. jexster - 10/3/2008 3:21:03 PM
Sarah only gave 1.5% to charity per tax return
That means she doesn't tithe Jen
37174. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:16:12 PM
A majority of House Republicans voted against the bailout this time around, too. Only one of the five AK/AZ GOPers switched
That's not leadership we can believe in.
37175. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:20:13 PM
37167
2006 ..Same Ole Sarah
Not a very good Pentecostal if she doesn't tithe tho
37176. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:41:43 PM
Wolf Blitzer in the situation room....dem/gop talking heads discussing the prospect of holdovers (gates, Paulson) in an Obama admin
Alex Catellanos was close to speaking of McPalin in the past tense
37177. jexster - 10/3/2008 4:52:56 PM
A few hundred billion there a few hundred million of yoru tax dollars are going to private contractors and Iraqi media for propaganda to improve our image in Iraq
What happen to McBush's flowers and candy?
Where's my white flag of surrender
37178. concerned - 10/3/2008 4:59:15 PM
Re. 37173 -
Palin outdonated Biden who has at least ten times as much money as she does.
37179. concerned - 10/3/2008 4:59:47 PM
37180. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:01:13 PM
What's Biden's net worth? I'm guessing $30,000,000.
37181. Jenerator - 10/3/2008 5:04:48 PM
Judith,
Jen, if you call Palin's performance "kicking Biden's butt", you need to get a refund on that fancy degree you obtained.
Oh, I know. Anyone who differs with you is an ignoramus. We're all soooooo beneath you, Judith.
Maybe you think dodging the question and answering any old way you like..." energy policy" was the answer to almost the entire first half of the debate...and being "folksy" stands for intelligence, then you learned different rules of debate than I did.
Actually, she set the tone and the direction for most of the debate. It was quite entertaining.
She did a credible job, I'll give her that much.
How generous of you.
Considering so many expected her to come out and drool on the podium,
Remember what I said about knuckle-dragging mouth breathers? Who on earth thinks Palin would drool? She's arguably more articulate and accomplished than 99% of this forum. Except for you, right?
she did pretty well but she hardly kicked anyone's butt. It was so odd...you could tell which lines she regurgitated and which came straight from her gut.
No, she didn't come across that way at all, but please teach us all which lines were natural and which were rehearsed.
I would think even you would be sick of the cult of "ah shucks" personality we've had running the country for almost 8 years.
She's not a Texan, and she's not a country bumpkin, so there isn't a comparison, IMO.
No, you can't take any Republicans - mever could.
That might not hold, however, if your history is only 5 weeks old, as she claimed last night. She seems to be learning from her mistakes...even if she has to lie about some of them. Example: that was not a joke about her not knowing what the Vice President's job is. And you could tell by her answer last night she hasn't yet learned, not even from a 5 week old history.
You should run for VP, Judith. You clearly are so superior. Just find someone to run for Pres who will ask you.
37182. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:05:40 PM
Re. 37180 -
Guess I was wrong there. More like a few hundred thousand. Guess Biden's lies aren't worth much after all.
37183. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:11:01 PM
Guess what
You guessed wrong
Guess what else
It's all over now baby blue
37184. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:11:37 PM
Guess what else?
Independents and undecided voters went Biden 2 to 1
37185. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:12:36 PM
Guess what else?
We're in the worst recession since Herbert Hoover I
37186. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:13:01 PM
Guess what else
Obama's now leading by 4 in Nevada
37187. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:16:36 PM
We're in the worst recession since Herbert Hoover I
Thanks to Barney Frank and other 'Rat Congresscritters.
37188. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:17:56 PM
You know the 0bama crowd are suffering brain death when they start posting Youtube clips of the Simpsons.
37189. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:17:57 PM
Guess what else?
The McSame campaign didn't even consult Simpleton Sister about pulling out of Michigan. They didn't even tell her
She had to read about it in the newspaper
37190. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:18:34 PM
So what?
37191. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:19:46 PM
Guess what else...John McStained will go postal at some point during the next 2-3 weeks
at the Des Moines Register
37192. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:22:02 PM
Guess what else?
CNN Wolf Blitzer just reported that Palin's claims about Obama's tax votes were lies..so were her health care claims
Like the entire campaign 
37193. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:23:17 PM
re. 37192 -
No, he didn't.
37194. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:23:31 PM
It's all over now Baby Blue..Go sell rape kits to the Eskimos
37195. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:25:27 PM
37196. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:30:47 PM
Time to throw Hussein 0bama under Biden's blunder-bus.
37197. concerned - 10/3/2008 5:31:51 PM
37198. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:34:24 PM
CNN - national and state polls now moving dramatically toward Obama
37199. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:35:39 PM
Who's going to bailout Arnold?
37200. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:37:17 PM
Roubini: Corporate and Finance System in Cardiac Arrest - The Risk of the Mother of All Bank Runs
I hear Simpleton Sister reads the Economist
Then she read that economists overwhelmingly prefer someone who knows what he's doing
Message # 37166
37201. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2008 5:37:33 PM
37202. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:42:48 PM
If BS were money, Sarah could bail out McStain's pals on Wall St
37203. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:51:02 PM
In Florida’s Economic Pain, Obama Gains Ground
Voters across Florida said the debate over how to fix the credit crisis has pushed them from the Republican ticket.
Gee I wonder why? Wait til Ole YellowStain lurches onto the TownHall style debate Tuesday
37204. jexster - 10/3/2008 5:57:51 PM
She looked liked a MORAN because Katie Couric "annoyed" her
37205. jexster - 10/3/2008 6:12:52 PM
We're gonna do our job as administers
Seems Sarah is annoyed when she has to answer the question asked and not something else.
37206. jexster - 10/3/2008 6:19:48 PM
And what new constitutional powers for the office of VP did that nitwit find?
37207. jexster - 10/3/2008 6:21:15 PM
37208. jexster - 10/3/2008 7:34:33 PM
Probably a shrewd move for ConJob to open up a Wasilla Rape Kit franchise because House Minority Leader Boner says ConJob's a liar...We're in a recession
Welcome to the real world dipshit...we've known that for nearly a year now
37209. jexster - 10/3/2008 7:59:38 PM
George Herbert Hoover McBush Depression
Roubini 10/3:
37210. iiibbb - 10/3/2008 9:29:51 PM
37211. iiibbb - 10/3/2008 10:41:25 PM
Family Values (note the leetle gurl).
37212. concerned - 10/3/2008 11:52:35 PM
CNN rated the conceptual complexity of Palin's versus Biden's language structure in their debate last night:
Palin came out ahead at a tenth grade level. Biden at an eighth grade level. For reference, Lincoln's syntax in his famous series of debates with Stephen Douglas before the Civil War was at an eleventh grade level.
rejexst & iiibbb - consider yourselves held back to grade school level intellectually if you prefer what the 0bama/Biden campaign has to offer.
37213. concerned - 10/4/2008 12:33:36 AM
Truthless Joe
In a rational world, the 2008 Democrat ticket would be dead as a dinosaur. In the bizarro Leftist alternate universe, anything that is even slightly correlated with reality is the enemy, so a ticket composed of a congenital liar and an ignorant narcissist is considered something other than lunacy.
Truthless Joe
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Election '08: It's hard choosing the worst in last Thursday's vice presidential debate: Sen. Joe Biden's continual untruths, his certitude in delivering them, or the free pass he got all night long.
In "The Prince of Darkness," his memoir of 50 years as a reporter in Washington, Robert Novak points out that while Jimmy Carter successfully ran for president by acting as "the anti-Washington, anti-government, anti-lawyer candidate telling audiences, 'I'll never lie to you' and setting post-Watergate standards of honesty," behind the smile Carter was actually "a habitual liar who modified the truth to suit his purposes."
But neither Carter nor Bill Clinton, whose twists and turns before a grand jury led to his impeachment, ever stared into the camera and spouted such a string of outright fabrications as if they were gospel truths the way Barack Obama's running mate did last week.
Thankfully, the blogosphere has been having a field day cataloguing Joe's whoppers. First, as InstaPundit's Michael Totten instantly noted after the debate, Biden — the great, seasoned foreign policy expert who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee — falsely claimed France and the U.S. "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon."
Of course, the debate's moderator, Gwen Ifill of PBS' "Washington Week," didn't call Biden on the gaffe; that might not be good for sales of her upcoming book, "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama" (especially if there turns out not to be an Age of Obama).
37214. concerned - 10/4/2008 12:34:19 AM
There was also Biden's accusation that John McCain is soft on regulation, when in fact he tried to beef up regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — an explanation for why he got so little campaign money from Fannie and Freddie over the years — under $22,000 — as opposed to the more than $126,000 Obama received in his short time in the Senate.
Sen. Biden falsely claimed that Obama didn't pledge to meet with Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad; he falsely claimed Gov. Sarah Palin supported a windfall profits tax on oil companies; he said he's always been for clean coal in spite of his record of voting against it in the Senate.
Biden said we have to drill for more of our own oil, easily leading viewers to conclude he and Obama are in favor of more domestic drilling, but as the American Thinker blog's Rick Moran noted in a list of "Biden's Big Lies," "Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to 'raping' the Outer Continental Shelf."
Gov. Palin called Biden on his claim that Gen. David McKiernan in Afghanistan said that the surge could not be applied in Afghanistan; in fact, McKiernan has said that some aspects of Gen. David Petraeus' Iraq strategy could be part of our war efforts in Afghanistan.
And Biden was wrong when he claimed that both McCain and Obama opposed troop funding; McCain simply opposed legislation with a withdrawal deadline.
The Delaware Democrat falsely claimed that McCain's health care plan raises taxes, failing to mention his proposal's offsetting tax credit. And he was untruthful in claiming that under an Obama Administration the middle class will "pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan." Obama, in fact, says he will return income tax rates to the Clinton levels, which were significantly higher than those in effect after tax reform during the Reagan Administration.
National Review's Jim Geraghty noted Biden's claim that "we spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country" and concluded Biden was "off by 2,000%."
Geraghty also found that "Katie's Restaurant" in Wilmington, Del., where good old Joe invited anyone to have a beer with him, apparently hasn't been around for decades. Maybe the senator was too busy conferring with imaginary French liberators of Lebanon to visit his constituency.
But when tall tales are told with a straight face and mock conviction they are, unfortunately, believed by all too many — especially when the media helps peddle the disinformation.
A favorite part was when Biden faked tears. His acting is possibly even more slovenly than Hussein 0bama's, but I'm not nearly the expert in such charlatanism that a Left Winger would be.
37215. concerned - 10/4/2008 12:43:55 AM
Over the last several weeks, I don't believe that I've read anything by anybody with more than a high school education that approves of or even believes that Hussein 0bama and Biden know what they are talking about regarding they are peddling.
37216. concerned - 10/4/2008 12:45:50 AM
To put it another way, if you support Hussein 0bama, you're probably either a scammer, a dupe, stupid or have issues.
37217. concerned - 10/4/2008 12:49:57 AM
Over the last several weeks, I don't believe that I've read anything by anybody with more than a high school education that approves of or even thinks that Hussein 0bama and Biden know what they are talking about regarding what they are peddling.
37218. thoughtful - 10/4/2008 7:39:02 AM
Over the last several weeks, I don't believe that I've read anything by anybody with more than a high school education...
Perhaps it's time to expand your reading list beyond, "The Little Train That Could".
37219. jexster - 10/4/2008 7:47:08 AM
R2K Tracking Poll: Obama 52, McCain 40
Seems McSame's decided to die like a bitch, not a man. I do so hope to see him go postal soon
37220. jexster - 10/4/2008 7:48:20 AM
37221. jexster - 10/4/2008 7:50:10 AM
Say ConJob, is Winnie right? Are you a closet Obamacan or has he been drinkin too much of Granny Arky's rheumatizz medicine?
37222. jexster - 10/4/2008 7:55:34 AM
Latest debate poll
37223. jexster - 10/4/2008 8:07:58 AM
Stagecoach Robs Indians
After Change In Tax Law, Wells Fargo Swoops In
Wells Fargo's deal for Wachovia could cost the federal government billions of dollars in lost revenue as the San Francisco company takes advantage of a new change in federal tax regulations designed to encourage bank mergers.
The change was made Tuesday by the Treasury Department, one day after Wachovia agreed to be rescued by Citigroup, and two days after Wells Fargo walked away from the table, leaving Citigroup as the only bidder.
37224. iiibbb - 10/4/2008 9:03:37 AM
Message # 37212
What 10th grade advanced methods does she specialize in "Jazz" and "Jingoism"?
37225. iiibbb - 10/4/2008 9:08:36 AM
The conservative party has failed me.
Palin is Bush... a governor from a red state who claims that they are a Washington outsider who can break down barriers, reach across party lines, and is in it for the middle class. She even says "nuclear" the same way.
Fool me once... shame on you... fool me twice... shame on me.
She doesn't/can't answer basic questions. Changes the subject. And is currently stonewalling an investigation by ignoring subpoenas... yeah... that makes me feel better.
37226. wonkers2 - 10/4/2008 9:25:14 AM
Stephen Pinker--Everything You Heard is Wrong
37227. Jenerator - 10/4/2008 9:25:21 AM
Obama stands for change! Perhaps the 'fresh' and 'different' Biden can make you feel better.
37228. jexster - 10/4/2008 9:57:30 AM
Indeed he does
He's going to be an excellent VP
37229. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:01:21 AM
CNN rated the conceptual complexity of Palin's versus Biden's language structure in their debate last night:
Palin came out ahead at a tenth grade level. Biden at an eighth grade level. For reference, Lincoln's syntax in his famous series of debates with Stephen Douglas before the Civil War was at an eleventh grade level.
Perhaps that is why CNN also found Biden won (newspapers written at a 6th grade level)
37230. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:03:06 AM
I always try to avoid the passive voice
The analysis by the Austin, Texas-based Global Language Monitor said Palin, governor of Alaska and the GOP vice presidential nominee, used the passive voice in 8 percent of her sentences, far more than the 5 percent used by the Democratic senator from Delaware.
The analysis noted that the "passive voice can be used to deflect responsibility; Biden used active voice when referring to [Vice President Dick] Cheney and [President] Bush; Palin countered with passive deflections."
"It obscures the doer of the action," said Language Monitor President Paul Payack, an independent with no political affiliation.
37231. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:05:21 AM
Palin: What I would do, also, if that were ever to happen, though, is to continue the good work he is so committed to of putting government back on the side of the people and get rid of the greed and corruption on Wall Street and in Washington,"
Then there's the problem she has answering the question asked.
She finds that "annoying"
That's why she's not going on the Sunday Talk shows
37232. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:10:56 AM
Economic Collapse Having Huge Impact on Several States
37233. Jenerator - 10/4/2008 10:17:51 AM
White, privileged, career politician and Washington hack = Obama's 'change'
37234. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:18:21 AM
I have a friend at Wells Fargo..A REPUBLICAN now Obamacan
He came with their Crocker Bank merger 30 years ago and has survived nicely finding himself in the CFO's office. They let him move to Orange County (LagunaBeach) and work from there and bring him up to SF one week a month.
Well this is an outrageous overhead expense in these troubled times and the minute I heard the first Wachovia rumor, I started sending pictues of Charlotte, Remax ads for Gastonia...and on and on
Usually quick with a comeback, he's strangely silent on my my "move it or lose it" "clear out the deadwood" emails
So you can imagine what I do under such circumstances. It is wonderful to have your own Republican banker to kick around believe me. Everyone should have one
37235. David Ehrenstein - 10/4/2008 10:21:00 AM
Latest FaBlog: Fait Diver -- Do You Wanna Funk?
37236. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:21:13 AM
White, privileged, career politician and Washington hack = Obama's 'change'
Ah those "fancy Baylor degrees" must cost a fortune
Don't tell Jen...Obama's a colored man
37237. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:24:28 AM
13 cars
8 homes
37238. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:25:19 AM
1 jet
37239. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:26:57 AM
And DE...don't get me started on his racial and moral admixtures
37240. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:41:54 AM
McSame Health Care - Largest MC Tax Increase Ever
37241. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:47:55 AM
They're all coming around to Roubini's clear eyed view of the George Herbert Hoover McBush Depression 2.0 (Time)
37242. jexster - 10/4/2008 10:51:29 AM
At this point the US, the advanced economies (and now likely even some emerging market economies) will experience an ugly recession and an ugly financial and banking crisis regardless of what we do from now on. What radical policy action can only do is preventing what will now be an ugly and nasty two-year recession and financial crisis from turning into a systemic meltdown and a decade long economic depression. The financial and economic conditions are extreme; thus extreme policy action is needed now to save the global economy from an ugly depression Nouriel Roubini
37243. iiibbb - 10/4/2008 10:55:55 AM
37244. arkymalarky - 10/4/2008 11:36:21 AM
I get the sense that a number of "Republican" pundits I've been hearing will vote Obama.
37245. David Ehrenstein - 10/4/2008 11:51:21 AM
Hey Jex, as for Obama's "admixtures," Here's Cher!
37246. jexster - 10/4/2008 11:53:05 AM
Desperate: McStained Campaign Files Last Minute Appeal to Coverup TrooperGate
37247. jexster - 10/4/2008 12:00:31 PM
Fucking indian squaw
HATE Striesand, Cher, DOOGIE..all them bitches
37248. jexster - 10/4/2008 12:03:08 PM
538 On the Road: McSame Campaign MIA in MO
37249. jexster - 10/4/2008 12:09:26 PM
37250. jexster - 10/4/2008 12:10:04 PM
Palin's First Dude is a half breed too David...just like you
37251. Jenerator - 10/4/2008 12:20:24 PM
I think he's handsome.
37252. Jenerator - 10/4/2008 12:21:21 PM
37253. jexster - 10/4/2008 12:24:38 PM
Franken Pulls Ahead in MN
Dole's going to lose in NC and even in Tejas, the Idiot Manuel Noriega's now within 7 of the Bigger Idiot Cornyn
No wonder GOP strategists fear November disaster
37254. jexster - 10/4/2008 1:14:07 PM
Pres '08
Oct 4 Gallup
Obama (D) 50%, McCain (R) 42%
Pres '08
Oct 4 Hotline/DiageoObama (D) 48%, McCain (R) 41%
Pres '08
Oct 4 RasmussenObama (D) 51%, McCain (R) 45%
Pres '08
Oct 4 Res. 2000Obama (D) 52%, McCain (R) 40%
37255. iiibbb - 10/4/2008 1:49:00 PM
My brother... a fairly reliable Republican vote, has voted Libertarian this year. The fundamental reason is Palin's is completely unqualified, lacking even fundamental 101 level understanding of the issues. Not sure if it will change the state he's in, but it certainly is indicative of certain Republicans mindset. They don't all like Palin.
37256. jexster - 10/4/2008 1:52:15 PM
Early voting starts Monday here. 1/3 of the vote will be cast before Nov 4
31 days and we take out the garbage
37257. jexster - 10/4/2008 2:00:46 PM
The daily tracking poll in PA shows Obama gaining about 1 point every day, now +10
Will McStained pull out of PA before Palin pulls out of him?
37258. jexster - 10/4/2008 2:16:05 PM
Sarah Puts Led in the Old Man's Pencil!
37259. jexster - 10/4/2008 2:23:17 PM
Unleash the Attack Bitch!
Simple Sister's Still Talking About Michigan!
Joe did exactly what he should have - rip McStain and leave Sarah Simpleton to Tina Fey
37260. wonkers2 - 10/4/2008 3:20:11 PM
Here's the best comment on Palin's debate performance:
"What Palin did show was some folksy charm and some energy--qualities that might get her selected for 'Dancing With the Stars,' if not, 'Jeopardy,'...But that's not enough to change the trajectory of this race, especially since nothing that was said in this debate will be remembered , or remarked upon, a week from now."
Joe Klein, Time Magazine reported in the Detroit News 10-4-08
37261. wonkers2 - 10/4/2008 3:26:49 PM
Concerned, FYI Joe Biden's net worth in 2007 was between $100,000 and $150,000. Biden's Net Worth
37262. jexster - 10/4/2008 4:31:19 PM
I heard that Letterman went off on the Simpleton last night
37263. jexster - 10/4/2008 4:34:12 PM
Simpleton Sarah Evaded Federal Taxes
Failed to report per diems AK paid her for living at home
37264. jexster - 10/4/2008 4:54:54 PM
The Led CeiRing
Sam Wang - Obama Neals EV Rimit
37265. jexster - 10/4/2008 5:30:18 PM
37266. jexster - 10/4/2008 6:20:49 PM
Economic Unrest Shifts Electoral Battlegrounds
Barack Obama’s ambitious strategy to make incursions into Republican territory is gaining new force, while John McCain is scaling back his efforts to capture Democratic states.
37267. jexster - 10/4/2008 7:47:14 PM
37268. jexster - 10/4/2008 8:23:41 PM
Politico - GOP Dread: 60 Senate Seats
37269. jexster - 10/4/2008 8:40:36 PM
A top official in the McCain camp told us Sen. Elizabeth Dole is virtually certain to lose in conservative North Carolina.
Tole ConJob that yesterday
Ole Liddy Dole's dead meat my friends
37270. wonkers2 - 10/4/2008 9:26:18 PM
37271. TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/4/2008 11:06:03 PM
He can write!
37272. concerned - 10/4/2008 11:09:27 PM
Some straight talk from John McCain: 0bama a bald faced liar.
McCain Camp Refers to Obama as Bald-Faced Liar
South Korea News.Net
Republican and Democratic opponents have traded insults over American health care.
US Republican presidential candidate John McCain has called his Democratic opponent Barack Obama a bald-faced liar over his promises of reform on health-care issues.
After Barack Obama told a crowd of 18,000 supporters in Virginia that McCain was playing a shell game of “giving you a tax credit with one hand but raising your taxes with the other," Senator McCain's campaign shot back: "Barack Obama is lying to voters. It's a bald-faced lie."
Senator Obama used his rally speech in Virginia to take the focus off the US financial rescue package while concentrating on health-care.
Health insurance is a raw issue with voters, due to nearly fifty million Americans living without coverage and others worried they will lose their own if job cuts kick in.
Senator McCain and Senator Obama will talk in person about health insurance and other issues on Tuesday when they meet for another nationally televised debate in Nashville, Tennessee.
37273. concerned - 10/4/2008 11:20:07 PM
0bama was criticizing a health care tax credit that McCain was promoting. As if Hussein's own tax credits are above criticism. What a fucking hypocrite.
37274. concerned - 10/4/2008 11:24:18 PM
Actually, much of what 0bama is promoting are tax rebates which amount to welfare by the IRS for many of the recipients. Those should be condemned, IMO.
37275. arkymalarky - 10/4/2008 11:26:00 PM
You're being an idiot, Con'd. Obama is offering an insurance plan, not a tax credit. McCain's tax credit is meaningless to most who are uninsured now, and all that will happen is that insurance companies will jack up prices accordingly. And he's doing nothing about the operation of insurance companies, from pre-existing conditions, to denial of coverage, to refusal to pay what they owe the insured.
37276. concerned - 10/4/2008 11:29:18 PM
N.Y. Times whitewashes Obama-Ayers connection
Fails to report key connections, ignores incriminating documents given to paper
By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
JERUSALEM – A prominent article by the New York Times this weekend purporting to investigate the connections between Sen. Barack Obama and former Weathermen radical Bill Ayers omits key associations between the two and in some cases seems to minimize their relationship.
One law professor and blogger who was interviewed for the Times says he provided the newspaper with key documentation showing Ayers was directly involved in the formation of the board of an education organization on which Obama served as chairman.
But the Times did not present that information and instead made the claim Ayers was not involved in the selection of Obama as chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, or CAC, which was founded by Ayers.
The Times article in question was first released online under the title "Obama had met Ayers, but the two are not close." That title was soon changed to, "Obama and the '60's Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths."
The piece purports to present the scope of Obama's relationship with Ayers, an increasingly public point of contention during this campaign season, with Gov. Sarah Palin just yesterday highlighting the controversial relationship.
News reports, archived records, interviews and Ayers' own curriculum vitae document that Ayers was the founder of CAC, which bills itself as a school reform organization. Documentation shows Ayers led the application process to apply for the original grant that funded the CAC.
Ayers served as co-chairman of the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, one of the two operational arms of the CAC, from its formation in 1995 until 2000. In 1995, Obama was appointed as the CAC's first chairman.
The Times, though, does not mention Ayers' role in founding the CAC, documented in several articles in 1994 and 1995 in the Chicago Tribune, which detail Ayers' extensive work to secure the original grant from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg, as well as Ayers' molding of the CAC guidelines.
Many argue it would have been unusual for Ayers not to have been involved in the selection of the chairman of the group he himself founded.
The Times claims that "according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama's appointment (to chair the CAC)."
37277. concerned - 10/4/2008 11:29:39 PM
The newspaper says Obama was suggested as a nominee to lead the CAC board by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, a Chicago-based group whose board Obama, a young lawyer, had joined the previous year.
Reported the Times: "At a lunch with two other foundation heads, Patricia A. Graham of the Spencer Foundation and Adele Simmons of the MacArthur Foundation, Ms. Leff suggested that Mr. Obama would make a good board chairman, she said in an interview. Mr. Ayers was not present and had not suggested Mr. Obama, she said."
The Times did not quote either Leff or Graham as directly stating Ayers was not involved in the selection of Obama, just that Leff originally suggested Obama. The article then continued to other matters.
Steve Diamond, a political science and law professor and a blogger who has posted on Obama, said he was interviewed for the Times piece. He said he provided Times writer Scott Shane with documentation that proves Ayers was directly involved in forming the board and leadership of the CAC.
Among the documents is a letter from November 18, 1994 in which Vartan Gregorian, president of Brown University and a member of Annenberg's selection committee, asked Ayers to compose the governing board and the Collaborative, to engage people who reflect the racial and ethnic diversity of Chicago."
A copy of the letter and Ayers' reply are available on Diamond's blog.
On December 1, 1994, Ayers and Anne Hallett, who co-chaired a CAC branch with Ayers, wrote back to Gregorian:
"Thank you for your letter of November 1
