Re. 20521 - jexster - Please learn what habeas corpus is before posting on the subject.
Thank you TD, I've practiced law for 30 years. When I want your legal advice, I'll be sure and ask for it
I guess Harry Reid is a good man , etc. but he makes such a weak impression when he speaks. I wish they had a better speaker as Maj.Leader of the Senate.
No, polls say Jimmuh Cahtuh was the worst president ever. He came in at about 22% for a while during his presiduncy.
Re. 20539 - When the Republicans controlled Congress, Democrats used the filibuster without restraint. Why is this guy crying about it now?
Re. 20537 - Never 'puffed a peter' in my life.
I never indulged in anal sex of any sort, either. Now jexster knows.
If the Democrats used the filibuster "without restraint" why are the Republicans using it THREE TIMES more than any other Congress in History? That was before yesterday's astonishing THREE Flush the Turd Blossoms Nixon Yellow, Bush RED,Raygun Blue
waste of time to argue about points of fact.
jex, you beat me. Of course my response was far more genteel.
Brings back memories. We had a ton back in the day 73-78 But then men were men not bathroom sex queens. When they filibustered I had a ton of work to do covering the floor because filibusters, used as a vehicle as much to force changes as kill bills. would go on and on and compromises come and go and they'd even filibuster amendments to bills being filibustered..once at least as I recall - involves sandbagging unanimous consent Those were the days of men not BushLeague bitches
Sad thing is, that the Worst President in US History is making 60% approval Bill look like Abraham Lincoln or some such Longing for Bill is the foundation of Brunehilde's support
Don't worry. Jimmuh Cahtuh is long gone from office. Wrt the Pantload, he was earning approval points from Democrats for the same behavior that got him impeached.
Abraham Lincoln (or more accurately, his policies) were quite unpopular for much of his first term in office, btw.
And Xlowntoon accomplished very little in office, so nobody who doesn't have shit for brains is in danger of comparing him to Lincoln.
From what I've seen, the Senate Republicans are justified in at least most of their filbustering. The 'Rats are trying to pass a lot of thoughtless, garbage legislation without attempting to reach any accommodations with the other side of the aisle first.
...typo....filibustering...
Glad you think they're justified...this from a crackpot who's not 5 messages back was proved a liar once again. Why bother with the facts, when you can make shit up Worst congress ever Defy the will of the people...Save Bush? Feel their pain..watch them sinking to their watery grave Grand Old PilesofPigshit in the Larry Craig toilet bowl of corruption Bush's stairway to paradise Hoping that history will somehow vindicate him, the president has entered a phase of decadent perversity. By Sidney Blumenthal Bush is a classic insecure authoritarian who imposes humiliating tests of obedience on others in order to prove his superiority and their inferiority. In 1999, according to Draper, at a meeting of economic experts at the Texas governor's mansion, Bush interrupted Rove when he joined in the discussion, saying, "Karl, hang up my jacket." In front of other aides, Bush joked repeatedly that he would fire Rove. (Laura Bush's attitude toward Rove was pointedly disdainful. She nicknamed him "Pigpen," for wallowing in dirty politics. He was staff, not family -- certainly not people like them.) ... Bush grasps at the straws of his own disinformation as he casts himself deeper into the abyss. The more profound and compounded his blunders, and the more he redoubles his certainty in ultimate victory, the greater his indifference to failure. He has entered a phase of decadent perversity, where he accelerates his errors to vindicate his folly. As the sands of time run down, he has decided that no matter what he does, history will finally judge him as heroic. The greater the chaos, the more he reinforces and rigidifies his views. The more havoc he wreaks, the more he insists he is succeeding. His intensified struggle for self-control is matched by his increased denial of responsibility. Hence Petraeus. Bush's ever-inflating self-confidence hides his gaping fear of failure. His obsession with deference demands exercises of humiliation that never satisfy him. His unwavering resolve is maintained by his adamant refusal to wade into the waters of ambiguity. "You can't talk me out of thinking freedom's a good thing!" he protests to his biographer. For Bush, even when he is long out of office, presiding at his planned library's Freedom Institute -- "I would like to build a Hoover Institute" -- victory will always be just around the corner. Bush grasps at the straws of his own disinformation as he casts himself deeper into the abyss. The more profound and compounded his blunders, and the more he redoubles his certainty in ultimate victory, the greater his indifference to failure. He has entered a phase of decadent perversity, where he accelerates his errors to vindicate his folly. As the sands of time run down, he has decided that no matter what he does, history will finally judge him as heroic.
Rather pathetic character for Republicans to sacrifice their political careers for Those around him have learned how to manipulate him through the art of flattery. Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld played Bush like a Stradivarius, exploiting his grandiosity. "Rumsfeld would later tell his lieutenants that if you wanted the president's support for an initiative, it was always best to frame it as a 'Big New Thing.'" Other aides played on Bush's self-conception as "the Decider." "To sell him on an idea," writes Draper, "aides were now learning, the best approach was to tell the president, This is going to be a really tough decision." But flattery always requires deference. Every morning, Josh Bolten, the chief of staff, greets Bush with the same words: "Thank you for the privilege of serving today." (according to the Draper Bio)
Re. 20567 - That's because Republicans can appreciate the advantages of having a do-nothing moron-led Democrat Congress and so aren't nearly as wound up as the squinch-brained BDS addled Left.
I heard the President's proposal for SChip described as an "increase" on the radio today. Perhaps, but only in the most literal sense. The Bush budget would spend $30 billion on SChip in the next five years, as compared to $25 billion in the last five. With increases in population and the cost of medical care, the amount Bush has budgeted for 2007-2012 would remove coverage from children who would receive coverage under the 2002-2007 budget. It's reminiscent of the "slowing of the rate of increase" for Medicare proposed by Newt Gingrich and fellow Repubs in the 90's, legislation that would have reduced services and increased co-pays of Medicare recipients - but "It's not a 'cut'!"
Not too long ago, I heard someone ask the question, "In fifty years, will we consider George W. Bush the worst president ever?" Many punchlines are available, of course. Mine was, "I sure as hell hope so - if not, that means that someone worse is coming up!"
HAHAHAHA! How long ago was it now that the Republicans wanted to do away with the filibuster? Too bad they didn't get their way!
Also, in 1952, even Gallup had Truman at a whopping 22% approval rating. Suck on that one, jexster.
So, maybe Truman and Cahtuh should share the distinction of being the co-equal worst presidents in the 20th Century.
Bush is at 29 right now in the Gallup poll and while the Worst President Ever is, obviously, not the same as the Most Unpopular President Ever, Bush wins that one too for while there have been lower numbers, no President has had such high disapproval numbers for as long as George W. Bush It ain't the trifecta but it is the Daily Double
20601 . jexster - 9/21/2007 2:11:53 PM
Yikes! The President is scared of horses? So says the former President of Mexico. --David Kurtz Only steers and queers come from Texas
20602 . jexster - 9/21/2007 2:15:54 PM
And now that the Feds are onto the Bug Meister, Allah only knows how many GOP cockroaches will fall with him
20603 . jexster - 9/21/2007 2:35:53 PM
And the Krony Kapitalist Korruption just keeps on keeping on Most people think that the United States is the lead partner in Bush's bullshit "coalition of the willing" Not so. 180,000 mercenary troops in Iraq are. The holy troops that the GOP hypocrites whine about supporting and then grind them into the sand....only 160,000 The infamous Blackwater is now under Congressional investigation. Now even the State Department is looking into the sewer Needless to say, Blackwater Inc are major Bush supporters
20604 . jexster - 9/21/2007 2:36:53 PM
Those RNC talking points about the Worst Congress ever? You be sure and keep whining TD
20605 . jexster - 9/21/2007 6:45:04 PM
Chaos at the NRCC - Gives Dems a Boner! GOP House leader John Boehner -- last seen saying that the loss of American lives in Iraq is a "small price" to pay for realizing Bush's vision in Iraq -- is upset with the "mismanagement" of the NRCC and is locked in a struggle for control over it with NRCC chief Tom Cole, according to a new report. The Politico's John Bresnahan and Patrick O'Connor have the story. It's a good yarn, complete with shouting matches and hissy fits. The story is a reminder of just how bleak the 2008 electoral landscape looks for the GOP -- and the depth of denial about this that's reigning at the NRCC right now..... GrandOldPigpile in the toilet....
20606 . jexster - 9/21/2007 8:20:00 PM
Hey TD..that new job of yours wouldn't happen to be with the NRCC??
Inside-the-Beltway Republicans have grown frustrated with the NRCC for its unrealistically rosy assessments of an ever-eroding landscape for congressional Republicans. Lawmakers are frustrated with Cole and his top aides for casting their net too wide by targeting Democratic-controlled seats that Republicans have little chance of picking up next year. Just thought I'd ask. These are the same nut jobs who think Bush is winning in Iraq - the Hanoi John "No Surrender" crowd20607 . jexster - 9/21/2007 9:19:08 PM
The Grand Old PigPile is flushed Smit Smites GOP
20608 . jexster - 9/21/2007 10:13:21 PM
The New Political Correctness: Fatuous Fatwahs of the Crackpot Conservatives
The constant calls for political candidates to prove their bona fides by condemning or denouncing something somebody else said or to renounce a person's support or to return her tainted money are a tiresome new tic in American politics. They're turning politics into a game of "Mother, May I?" Did you say "Here is my plan for health-care reform"? Uh-oh, you were supposed to say "I condemn MoveOn.org's comments on General Petraeus, and here is my plan for health-care reform." All this drawing of uncrossable lines and issuing of fatuous fatwas is supposed to be a bad habit of the left. When right-wingers are attacking this habit rather than practicing it, they call it political correctness. The problem with political correctness is that it turns discussions of substance into arguments over etiquette. The last thing that supporters of the war want to talk about at this point is the war. They'd far rather talk about this insult to General Petraeus. It just isn't done in polite society, it seems, to criticize a general in the middle of a war. How Dare You! Michael Kinsley20609 . jexster - 9/22/2007 12:53:43 PM
Breakout the cots, order up the pizza Message # 20554 Beat the New York Times to it In Search of Manly Men: Let the GOP Filibuster
20610 . jexster - 9/23/2007 10:58:22 AM
Here's one TD and I both can get behind! so to speak Pardon Poor Old Larry Craig
20611 . judithathome - 9/23/2007 1:12:49 PM
Video from Rachel Maddow, covering the "Value Voters" debate: YouTube link Please listen to her reamrks on what would have happened had the Dems changed the words to "God Bless America" and had it performed by a choir before a debate...of course, they wouldn't be batshit crazy enough to do that but the main stream media would have been all over it...unlike they were with the Values Candidates.
20612 . jexster - 9/23/2007 2:29:28 PM
Huckabee don't need to come to ya Judith Huckabee's with ya Arky I heart Huckabees Free Larry Craig
20613 . jexster - 9/23/2007 6:31:32 PM
Not ANOTHER do-over! This is turning into some kind of Reality TV show The Hillary Rod Ham Experience #1 - Sponsor Great Health Care Debacle 1993 WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday defended her plan for universal health care and insisted she won't repeat the mistakes that doomed her earlier effort to cover millions of people when she was first lady.
Fools say that they learn by experience. I prefer to profit by others' experience. Otto von Bismarck 20614 . jexster - 9/23/2007 8:40:11 PM
Just in time for a Crimmus recess filibuster This time, keep em talking til Santa comes to town Bush to Ask for Another $195 Billion for War And veto child health coverage to pay for it or about 1/2 day of it
20615 . concerned - 9/24/2007 11:16:46 AM
More BDS on parade: Boston Globe Fifth Columnist accuses GWB of 'desecrating' 9/11 site
20616 . jexster - 9/24/2007 11:31:54 AM
Old news He climbed on the bodies so everyone could hear his BushWar lies...he's desecrated the site since 9/12 at least once a year
20617 . jexster - 9/24/2007 11:32:59 AM
HUELGA! UAW strikes to save Wonk's benefits
20618 . jexster - 9/24/2007 12:11:49 PM
Grand Old Pigpile About to Pay the Piper for Decades of Race Baiting
20619 . concerned - 9/24/2007 12:22:12 PM
Re. 20616 - Who are those people next to him, jexster?
20620 . jexster - 9/24/2007 12:25:48 PM
Those are the rescue workers he and Rudy fuckt. Used them too..used you! They'll use anything Ahmadinejad, It Turns Out, Is Just Like Us; Welcome To Your America With all the media attention being paid to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's visit to America, it's surprising that no one has pointed out the many curious similarities that should make him feel right at home. Note that all quotes come from Wikipedia. * • Ahmadeinjad has said that "I will only accept something as truth if I am actually convinced of it." When President Bush heard that, he said "Wait a minute, that's my line!" • In a secret report specifically investigating whether or not Ahmadinejad was involved in hostage-taking at the American Embassy, the CIA declared this identification "Not proven." Here, Ahmadinejad has much in common with the many Americans who've been investigated by the CIA, and about whom the agency hasn't been able to prove anything, either. • Ahmadinejad believes that wealthy Jews run the world. Billionaire Mayor and potential presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg was at the synagogue and unable to comment • Even though he is "the highest directly elected official in Iran, he has less power than the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khameni." Our highest directly elected official, President Bush, also must kiss the ass of religious extremists.'' • In August 2007, Ahmadinejad gave his approval for Oliver Stone to make a biopic film of him. Not to be outdone, President Bush has greenlighted an authorized film of his life to be directed by Quentin Tarrantino. • Even after his election, "Ahmadinejad continued living in a simple apartment flat and eating meals brought from home, to his office. Both of these traits contributed to his widespread support amongst the poorer classes." Similarly, John Edwards has promised to continue to bring his $400 haircuts to his office even after his election. • His campaign motto when he ran for President was "It's possible and we can do it," displaying the same desperate lack of imagination as American presidential candidates. • "His critics include some of the conservatives who helped him win the 2005 presidential elections." Arlen Specter, Chuck Hagel, John Warner and Susan Collins refused to comment. • "In his blog, Ahmadinejad described his reaction to the incident {when he requested that student protestors not be questioned or disturbed} as "a feeling of joy" because of the freedom that people enjoyed after the revolution." Note that Ahmadinejad, like millions of Americans, actually has a blog, in which he has also blamed his unhealthy fixation on Jessica Alba on the five-member United Nations Security Council. • "Some critics have alleged that President Ahmadinejad is becoming increasingly unpopular at home for spending too much time criticizing the United States and not enough time reforming the nation's stagnant economy." See. Tehran and D.C. are closer than anybody thought.
20621 . jexster - 9/24/2007 12:30:21 PM
Death Bed Conversion McCain a Babdiss??? for votes in the deep South, John McCain dismisses his lifelong Episcopal background and declares himself a Baptist. Why? I wonder Rt. Rev. Eugene Robinson, first openly gay Anglican bishop
20622 . jexster - 9/24/2007 1:00:12 PM
Bush: Obama a Lazy Negro As you can see in our feature story over on the right , the White House's new line is that Barack Obama may be too "intellectually lazy" to run a serious presidential campaign let alone be President of the United States. And don't think this was a stray comment. The RNC just shot off an email building on the slur. With the headline "Razzle Dazzle", the email continues the theme that Obama is just another black fancy-pants with a slick smile and nice turn of phrase but either without the candle-power or stick-to-it-iveness to actually get things done. "Chicago Star Obama Continues His All Show, No Substance Campaign With Event On Broadway," the email begins. What to expect next out of the RNC? Obama would be a better singer and tap dancer than president. --Josh Marshall Not only can he tap dance, he's pretty fair with a basketball too
20623 . jexster - 9/24/2007 1:50:36 PM
Conquering Hero! Mahmoud got a rousing welcome at Columbia. Bush would too I'm sure. He should try it
20624 . jexster - 9/24/2007 2:56:21 PM
Rudy Giuliani - Betrayal of Trust
20625 . Max Macks - 9/24/2007 3:25:14 PM
Re Iranian Pres. Ahmadinejad typically most of the protest comes from the Jewish persecutors of Palestinians. this is what he said, I wonder how or even IF it will be rported in the Press Protesters also assembled at Columbia, where President Lee Bollinger promised to grill Ahmadinejad on subjects such as human rights, the Holocaust and Iran's disputed nuclear program. The Iranian leader previously has called the Holocaust ``a myth'' and called for Israel to be ``wiped off the map.'' He told the National Press Club that his questioning of the Holocaust was based on his concern that it was used to justify Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. ``Granted that the Holocaust is a reality ... Why is it that the Palestinian people should be displaced?'' he said. ``Why are they paying the damage by giving up their land?'' At Columbia,
20626 . jexster - 9/24/2007 3:34:27 PM
The guy's a mess but you can be damn sure of one thing...He's got more balls than all of Bushville combined
20627 . jexster - 9/24/2007 5:06:29 PM
Juan Cole Turning Ahmadinejad into public enemy No. 1 Demonizing the Iranian president and making his visit to New York seem controversial are all part of the neoconservative push for yet another war. And Hillary plays right along. Learn from her experience folks. She co-sponsored the Iraq Debacle for four years. That is before her experience told her she couldn't win the nomination without a "do-over"
20628 . jexster - 9/24/2007 7:11:25 PM
"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country. We do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who told you that we have it." None in the GrandOldPigpile either
20629 . Max Macks - 9/24/2007 7:41:27 PM
thanks for that link to Juan Cole I just saw on CN Ahmadinejad at some US Press club. he was well spoken ( via translation) and had a nice smile >L>>I was surprised .
20630 . jexster - 9/24/2007 8:46:23 PM
He didn't have horns? And he rid Iran of all the homosexuals!
20631 . concerned - 9/24/2007 10:32:39 PM
Re. 20629 - He was picked for his nice smile and well spokenness. I'm sure the Iranian Mullahs will be glad to learn you were suitably impressed.
20632 . jexster - 9/24/2007 11:07:24 PM
When's Bush going to speak at Columbia?
20633 . robertjayb - 9/24/2007 11:08:36 PM
Bush fullfills Mencken's prophecy---Joe Galloway0 On July 26, 1920, the acerbic and cranky scribe wrote in The Baltimore Sun: " . . . all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily (and) adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." My late good buddy Leon Daniel, a wire service legend for 40 years at United Press International, dredged up that Mencken quote several years ago and found that it was a perfect fit for George W. Bush, The Decider. MSNBC's Keith Olberman highlighted the same quote this week. A tip of the hat to both of them, and to Mencken.
20634 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/24/2007 11:57:33 PM
In that case I deserve a tip of the hat too because I posted that Mencken quote on my website and in this very thread three weeks ago. Why do I bother with this place? TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/6/2007 9:44:52 PM Message # 20344 in thread 155
20635 . winstonsmith - 9/25/2007 12:37:27 AM
I am sorry to say that it is really looking like Hillary will win the primary. If this comes to pass, is there any way Obama would accept the VP spot on her ticket? It's not what I want but I think the ticket would be more palatable with him on it.
20636 . jexster - 9/25/2007 7:25:33 AM
I don't know Wiz..You said it was Mark Twain! Tip of the hat nonetheless...we got what we deserved after all! Where's mine now???
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H. L. Mencken I feel your pain Wiz but look on the bright side. We could be Moronic Legionnaires like TD..they're in pretty sorry shape20637 . jexster - 9/25/2007 7:31:53 AM
Don't believe it Winston. Sure Hillary's the favorite but Obama has more money and more rank and file excitement. He's also stronger with independents and in most states, the Dem primary is where those voters are headed (in CA it is the only place - Republicans don't allow it) I ain't predicting the outcome but remember that delegates are awarded proportionately to every candidate carrying 15% or so or better by congressional district. Hillary stuck at 40% or so four months before 2/5 is beatable, and a brokered convention is not out of the question (though given her edge among party hacks, she probably has the advantage there!) Hillary wants you to think she's unbeatable - that's why she gins up these media blitzes. Obama isn't running for VP....
20638 . jexster - 9/25/2007 7:53:53 AM
You don't always get what you want... This is getting scary. I find myself agreeing with Pat Buchanan almost all the time. I've said this for years now Of course, I just didn't come up with it out of thin air. Readily available crackpots like Concerned bring the point home oh so...well pointedly Infantile Nation by Patrick J. Buchanan Does this generation possess the gravitas to lead the world? Considering the hysteria that greeted the request of Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to lay a wreath at Ground Zero, the answer is no. Hillary bellowed and blustered - how predictable. But Obama he promised to tell you what you need not what you want to hear. He reiterated his commitment to meet with Ahmadinejad as President
20639 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/25/2007 9:10:20 AM
20636. jexster - 9/25/2007 7:25:33 AM I don't know Wiz..You said it was Mark Twain! Tip of the hat nonetheless...we got what we deserved after all! Where's mine now??? I self-corrected the Twain misquote instantly and if there had been an edit function, it would't have mattered. Your obcession with these gangsters has been prescient quite often, but what good does it do with so many apathetic sheep in this country? Nevertheless . . .
20640 . concerned - 9/25/2007 10:44:21 AM
jexster, the consummate treasonous whackjob, is projecting here when he refers to me.
20641 . jexster - 9/25/2007 11:18:19 AM
baa..baa..baa..baa
20642 . concerned - 9/25/2007 11:40:21 AM
I'm sorry. I should have said 'seditious', not 'treasonous'. I'm not some whackjob.
20643 . jexster - 9/25/2007 11:53:12 AM
Now there we can agree!
20644 . jexster - 9/25/2007 12:23:19 PM
Worst Congress Ever! GOP expects to lose more House seats By: JOSH KRAUSHAAR GOP braces for repercussions of wave of retirements, ongoing scandals and gloomy fundraising forecasts.
20645 . Max Macks - 9/25/2007 2:43:14 PM
Hillary will never get elected can't the Demorats realize that they seem to pick nice folks but not those who will win an election.
20646 . jexster - 9/25/2007 3:37:01 PM
Obama Rumored Over $30 Million for Third Quarter
20647 . jexster - 9/25/2007 3:58:26 PM
The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy Chapter One John Mearsheimer, Steven Walt
20648 . jexster - 9/25/2007 4:16:15 PM
Hey Max..You see that article in the Chron this am about how Bush tried to kill California's Climate Law? The Truth Comes Out just as Bush is trying to con world leaders at the UN that he is serious about climate control Getting harder and harder to keep the lies straight Just ask Concerned
20649 . jexster - 9/25/2007 4:18:58 PM
Hillary might make it Max - especially if she picks Evan Bayh as running mate Secret death democratic death wish or secret plan? I mean that would be the most boring ticket since Gore/Mentum
20650 . jexster - 9/25/2007 4:48:47 PM
Worst Congress Ever! Grim and Grimmer for the Pigpile People
When you look at what’s going on in the House, the prospects for getting back on track are pretty dim at the moment. Ray the Hood (R-IL) Live by the Bush Burn with the Bush20651 . jexster - 9/25/2007 4:52:57 PM
The rest of em might as well be free too Join Larry Craig in the nearest public toilet
20652 . jexster - 9/25/2007 5:22:07 PM
Be there Max or be square! Obama For America Northern California Headquarters Opening The HQ opening party will be this Sunday, September 30th at 1:00 PM. WHERE: 436 14th Street, 3rd Floor - directly in front of the 14th Street exit of the Oakland City Center BART station, between Broadway and Franklin.
20653 . jexster - 9/25/2007 5:38:19 PM
Cunnilingus Rice and The Great Emancipator NEW YORK - Slain al-Qaida in Iraq chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a "diabolically brilliant" war tactician, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, likening the terror commander to Civil War generals Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant. I think they're drinking big time in the Bush House...or maybe Bush has taken to crack cocaine.
20654 . jexster - 9/25/2007 5:50:38 PM
The Mencken Prophecy NEW YORK (Reuters) - How do you keep a leader as verbally gaffe-prone as U.S. President George W. Bush from making even more slips of the tongue? When Bush addressed the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday, the White House inadvertently showed exactly how -- with a phonetic pronunciation guide on the teleprompter to get him past troublesome names of countries and world leaders. The White House was left scrambling to explain after a marked-up draft of Bush's speech popped up briefly on the U.N. Web site as he delivered his remarks, giving a rare glimpse of the special guidance he gets for major addresses. It included phonetic spellings for French President Nicolas Sarkozy (sar-KO-zee), a friend, and Zimbabwe leader Robert Mugabe (moo-GAH-bee), a target of U.S. human rights criticism.
20655 . robertjayb - 9/25/2007 6:32:19 PM
V-22 Osprey deployed to Iraq... WASHINGTON — The first combat squadron of tilt-rotor V-22 Ospreys has been quietly deployed to Iraq, ushering a new form of aerial technology into 21st Century warfare. A Marine Corps aviation squadron and 10 Ospreys left for Iraq on Monday aboard the U.S.S. Wasp, a small Navy aircraft carrier known as an amphibious assault ship, said Marine Corps spokesman Maj. Eric Dent.
20656 . jexster - 9/25/2007 7:17:44 PM
That'll make all the difference! Meanwhile back on planet Earth, the man who led the design team for the US Military's assault rifle the M-16, says that if he had a son in Iraq, he'd give him an AK-47 (ak-74 upgrade)
20657 . jexster - 9/25/2007 7:26:31 PM
Stop in the Name of Love! Cunnilingus Rice Attempted to Obstruct Investigation into Iraq Corruption
20658 . jexster - 9/25/2007 7:30:36 PM
AK-74
20659 . jexster - 9/25/2007 8:06:31 PM
Hitting the White Powder Again??? Olbermann reports that Bush followed up his RodHam Victory Memo, sending backchannel advice to Brunhilde on how to stay in Iraq. I think he's off the wagon and hitting the white powder again but at least he was lucid enough to choose his Debacle Co-sponsor
20660 . winstonsmith - 9/25/2007 10:17:48 PM
re 20637 Thanks Jex, I continue to support Obama and am about to send him some more money. I still fear that the Dems may make a stupid choice in the primary.
20661 . jexster - 9/26/2007 12:20:28 PM
Me too! The Clinton Machine is powerful, awesome even
20662 . jexster - 9/26/2007 12:22:22 PM
Rumors about that Obama's raised 30 million this quarter. Some think it could be Dillary Disinformation designed to inflate the expectation but it is reasonable...Hell the Oprah weekend between SF Portland Santa Barbara he raised 5 million in 2 days
20663 . jexster - 9/26/2007 12:23:42 PM
US Soldier to Return Iraq Medals in Protest
20664 . concerned - 9/26/2007 12:34:00 PM
From OneCosmos: The Patterned Irrationality of the Left In the unconscious mind, where symmetrical logic rules the night, the stronger the emotion one is feeling, the more "symmetrical deductions" are likely to occur. For example, as Bomford writes, on a deep unconscious level, "one who hates has to believe that his or her hatred is returned." Note that this is a logical operation, only based upon a different sort of logic. This logic is no doubt the source of the psychotic fear of Israel in the Islamic world. Their unconscious hatred is so profound that it simultaneously reverses the relation, so that they can't help perceiving that Israel hates them. But Israelis just want to shop, raise their families, or read the Torah. They couldn't care less about Muslims, except to the extent that bloodthirsty Muslim barbarians harbor murderous rage toward them. It's fine to hate evil, but in the Islamic world, what is hated is transformed into evil. Something is not hated because it is evil, but evil because it is hated. One could say the same of the left, which habitually fears what it eternally hates. The left cannot be comprehended unless one appreciates the extent of their unbound hatred. Once this is grasped, what seems illogical is suddenly seen to obey the dictates of symmetrical logic. For example, the unconscious feeling that I hate America and want us to lose in Iraq is transformed to General Petraeus is a traitor, or I am a racist becomes America is racist, or I am unbearably envious becomes the wealthy are engaged in class warfare against me! Another characteristic of the unconscious is that it is timeless, in the sense that it can reverse temporal relations. For example, in the unconscious mind, if A is the cause of B, B can also be the cause of A. Thus, "before" and "after" become meaningless. Therefore, although we were inexcusably attacked by Islamists on 9-11, within minutes, leftists were saying that the real reason for the attack was that we had done something to offend Muslims. Likewise, throughout the Cold War, leftist scholars wrote "revisionist" histories, in which the United States was the cause of the Cold War, or at least equally responsible for it. You will notice that there are no conservative revisionists who write, for example, that blacks were the cause of their own lynching, or that Japanese Americans were the cause of their own internment. You can only think in this manner if you are pathologically under the sway of unconscious symmetrical logic. Also in the unconscious mind, there is no distinction between the memory of something that actually occurred vs. the memory of a fantasy. Here we can understand how and why the left is so prone to mythologizing the past, as their fantasies are mingled with reality. Thus, no amount of reality and asymmetrical logic will ever convince them that FDR made the Great Depression worse, not better, or that the black family only began to disintegrate after the imposition of all the "Great Society" programs of the mid to late '60s. No amount of logic could convince a leftist that his policies harm the "little guy," since his ruling myth, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, is that he is here to rescue the hapless little guy (for whom the leftist always feels rich contempt in the unconscious mind, contempt which only seeps out everywhere). One thing you will notice about the left is that they are passionate. Because the left is guided by feelings and intentions, they are blind to the results of their actions. If their feelings are infinitely good, then in the unconscious mind, the results must also be infinitely good. As I have written before, this is a religious passion in the absence of religion, so it has no traditional means to structure and channel it. Just as religion partakes of symmetrical logic in an adaptive way (i.e., the meek shall inherit the earth, the Golden Rule, humans are made in the image of the Creator, etc.), leftists do so in a terribly unhealthy way. That is, because of the intensity of their feelings, these feelings reach way down into the symmetrical realm, with no way to structure or make sense of them. This is why you always see so much highly charged, "unfiltered" unconscious material coming out of the left. To borrow a metaphor from someone, reading dailykos or huffington post is like taking a ride through a sewer in a glass bottom boat. As Bomford writes, the dictates of symmetrical logic mean that deductions "do not follow the path of fact, but of feeling or emotion." And although this inevitably leads to "crazy" deductions based upon a chain of feelings, in a sense, it is much more "free" than asymmetrical, Aristotelian logic. For example, the latter "has a deterministic feel. That is to say, it never delivers a new truth, though it may deliver truths that had not been clear before. Everything is already 'there' in the premises." Not so symmetrical logic, which has considerably more freedom to "deduce." It can easily arrive at patent falsehoods while still obeying its own logic. For example, the knuckleheads at Columbia University believe that having a genocidal sociopath speak on their campus is an instance of defending "freedom of speech." I would agree, but only in a psychotically cluelessidal way, rooted in symmetrical logic. By the standards of normal logic, it makes no sense whatsoever. It's crazy. One of the most fascinating aspects of unconscious logic is the way it can shift attributes from agent to agent. For example, as mentioned above, it is the work of a moment for a leftist to turn a perpetrator into a victim and a victim into a perpetrator, based upon the emotional needs of the day. For example, the standard leftist logic would be Larry Craig --> Homosexual --> Ultimate Victim. But place an "R" after the name, and the overriding logic becomes Republican --> Homophobic Victimizer --> Burn him! Likewise, the normal train of leftist logic would be ROTC --> Don't ask, Don't tell policy --> Homophobia --> Get off our campus, fascists! But Ahmadinejad -- whose government's policy toward homosexuals is "don't tell, because we'll bury you alive" -- is given a pass because he shares the left's passionate hatred of America and of President Bush. Their interests converge in the deep, symmetrical unconscious. Ironically, it is obvious that Ahmadinejad is much more conscious of this than the left to which his manipulative talking points are tailored. You might say that he is consciously speaking to the left's unconscious, pushing every one of their happy buttons he can think of. Don't believe me? Daily Kos: 45% Want Ahmadinejad As US President jexster: the poster child of LW irrationality
20665 . jexster - 9/26/2007 12:45:17 PM
Kareem Ramadan to you Must make you feel about two feet tall...humiliated that a bunch of uncivilized wretched Muslims with AK47's have defeated the WarLord Bush - who hasn't got the balls to speak at Columbia! - in each of the five wars he has started during his disastrous reign Worse still, he has totally wrecked US ground armies to the point where he couldn't invade Qatar if Osama built a villa there
20666 . jexster - 9/26/2007 12:47:09 PM
Don't blame me Look in the mirror Night of Power comes October 9 Introduction This surat is titled Surat Al-Qadr meaning 'The night of power'. It is the 97th surat from the 114 contained in the Holy Quraan. Said to be revealed in Makkah, some hold the opinion that it was revealed in Madinah. The subject-matter is the Night of Power (or Honour), in which Revelation came down to the Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon him for the first through the Angel Jibrail (Gabriel) Back "We have indeed revealed this in the 'Night of Power'" One of the most meritous aspects of Islam fall in one of the last 5 odd nights of the Holy month of Ramadhan. It is the most blessed night of the year. Reference here is made to the fact that on this special night the Holy Quraan was revealed. One reason this night is referred to as the Night of Power is due to the increase in the amount of reward gained by worship performed on this particular night in comparison to any other throughout the whole year. Back "And what will explain to you what the night of power is?" The question being asked here is: "Have you any knowledge as to how great and important this night is, and to the favours and bounties which are placed within the Night of Power"? Back "The Night of Power is better than a thousand months" This verse means that the worship performed in this night brings more reward than the worship performed in a thousand months, but how much more better? Allah is such a great being that anything is possible from his behalf. "A thousand" must be taken in an indefinite sense; meaning a very long period of time. This does not refer to our ideas of time, but to "timeless Time". Back "Therein come down The Angels and the Spirit By Allah's permission, on every errand" The Angels descend by Allah's permission and the Spirit mentioned here is usually understood to be the angel Gabriel Back "Peace!...This until the rise of Morn!" When the Night of spiritual darkness is dissipated by the glory of Allah, a wonderful peace and sense of security arise in the soul, and this lasts on until this life closes, and the glorious day of the new world dawns, when everything will be on a different plane, and the chequered nights and days of this world will be even less than a dream.
20667 . concerned - 9/26/2007 1:00:47 PM
Re. 20665 - Another good example of the Left's patterned irrationality in this post.
20668 . jexster - 9/26/2007 1:36:41 PM
Let's make it simple so even you can understand "You Bush and what army" gonna fight your crusade
20669 . jexster - 9/26/2007 1:36:55 PM
Irrational You bet
20670 . jexster - 9/26/2007 1:38:24 PM
There she goes again Brunehilde Votes YES on Lieberman/Kyl Iran Resolution She Co-Sponsored the Greatest Strategic Disaster in US History and supported Bush for four years until she decided to run for president Clinton is a charter member of the Democratic Wing of the War Party and of this there can be no doubt Let this race be about the experience of the Democratic Candidates
20671 . jexster - 9/26/2007 1:59:31 PM
Give Em Hell Larry! Craig Now Refuses to Say Whether He'll Resign
20672 . Max Macks - 9/26/2007 2:21:15 PM
Thanks for that post about how Bush gets his speeches in phonetic notes have wondered in the few mintues that I can tolerate seeing his jerky facial movments and voice on Lehr News hour how he could speak as coherently as he seemed to sure would like to see a copy of the teleprompter speech.
20673 . concerned - 9/26/2007 2:46:05 PM
Another good passage from OneCosmos about the Leftist mentality: I think we can see this same dynamic in the dysfunctional relationship between the left -- which is so obviously like a child or hysterical (the operative word is hysterical) female -- and the right, which too often deals with the left as if mere logic will satisfy them. It doesn't work and it won't work, as anyone who's tried to have a rational conversation with a leftist knows. In their shrill paranoia, narcissism, and hysteria, it's as if the left is crying out in pain, so that their literal words are completely unimportant. If it were a micro-relationship, we'd know how to deal with them. But in the macro realm, how does one respond to a whole psychoclass of histrionic girly men? (And please keep in mind that we are specifically talking about a form of dysfunctional feminized consciousness, not the normal or healthy variety. A radical feminist is not a normal woman, any more than Dennis Kucinich is a normal man.) In fact, to be fair, the left is mainly composed of hysterical women (of both sexes) and of adolescent boys and girls. In both cases, there is a developmental arrest, the failure to become a proper man or woman. Indeed, this is one of the premises of leftism, which rejects any concept of a spiritual telos to human psychological growth. Rather, all is relative, so that no way of living or being is superior to any other.
20674 . jexster - 9/26/2007 3:34:40 PM
Pretty authoritative there TD. [I think he's lost his mind - what little there was of it] Feel his pain
20675 . jexster - 9/26/2007 3:35:54 PM
Bush Promised Democracy, Freedom, Peace, Flowers and Candy Myanmar, Somalia, and the Nation formerly known as Iraq Top Most Corrupt Countries List
20676 . jexster - 9/26/2007 3:37:42 PM
Worst Congress Ever Another GOP Congressmen Retires
20677 . jexster - 9/26/2007 3:39:56 PM
I think we need Wizzer here I think we need a virtual intervention I fear that if we do not act soon, the police will find TD on some sleazy street corner blubbering incoherently about Klowntoon, Kucinich, Sharpton and nefarious Lefties
20678 . jexster - 9/26/2007 3:48:53 PM
Wounded Iraq War Vets Still Getting Treated Like Shit
20679 . concerned - 9/26/2007 4:02:15 PM
jexster needs a new private name for Iraq. Any suggestions?
20680 . jexster - 9/26/2007 5:21:59 PM
Mess-O-Potamia
20681 . jexster - 9/26/2007 6:42:55 PM
Maybe he should move to Iran CheneyBushDumbsfeld darling Gen Peter Pan Pace Says Homosexuality is "Immoral" America love it or leave it
20682 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/26/2007 11:17:59 PM
When it comes to Pavlov's Dopes, like connie, you're on your own, jexster.
20683 . jexster - 9/27/2007 6:11:45 AM
Conspiracy to Wage Agressive War: Bush Rice Anza Caught on Tape Spanish Newspaper Publishes Transcript
20684 . jexster - 9/27/2007 6:31:56 AM
Hillary Can be Stopped Peaking Now? Real Clear Politics
20685 . Max Macks - 9/27/2007 1:15:51 PM
anyone see Paul Solomon on Lehr news about the fautls of the M-16/ M4 rife American troops are still using which mis fire often and are inferior to the AK-47 and governemnet contractors?
20686 . jexster - 9/27/2007 1:25:49 PM
Yeah linked above there Max!!! El Pais, Spain's number 1 daily newspaper, has a scoop a transcript of a meeting between Bush and Jose Maria Aznar proving that Bush lied us into war. The Aznar Tapes
20687 . jexster - 9/27/2007 2:53:18 PM
Chicken Shit Litte Ass Kisser Same as he ever was
Roots of Iraq weapon probes date to 2004 By RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press Writer 48 minutes ago As President Bush and Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry clashed in late 2004 over the direction of the Iraq war, a rising Army star joined the debate. Then-Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, head of a new command overseeing the training and equipping of Iraq's security forces, said headway was being made. Tens of thousands of rifles, pistols, body armor, vehicles, and radios, along with millions of ammunition rounds, had been delivered to Iraqis over a three-month period, he wrote in a commentary for The Washington Post six weeks before the presidential election. The weapons and countless pieces of other gear, paid for with tens of millions of U.S. tax dollars, were indeed flowing — but as it turns out, not always to the right places or into the right hands. In the rush to arm Iraqi forces against a violent insurgency, U.S. military officials did not keep good records. About 190,000 weapons weren't fully accounted for, according to one audit. 20688 . jexster - 9/27/2007 4:20:13 PM
Is This the Best Robert and Judith Can Come Up With? Manuel is headed for France last I heard TX-SEN Sep 27 Research 2000 Cornyn (R) 51%, Noriega (D) 35% That man is the second dumbest Texican I've ever seen. Won't be too soon, the day we return that flat wasteland of phonies and martial misfits back to Mexico
20689 . jexster - 9/27/2007 5:05:53 PM
Bush Krony Kapitalism in Action Led to Bush's Little Stalingrad - Fallujah Bush's crony butchers - Blackwater USA
WASHINGTON - Blackwater USA triggered a major battle in the Iraq war by sending an unprepared team of security guards into an insurgent stronghold, a move that led to their horrific deaths and a violent response by U.S. forces, according to a congressional investigation released Thursday. And you paid at least 4 times what you're paying the holy troops So just give him 200 billion more and veto health care for kids20690 . jexster - 9/27/2007 6:00:55 PM
No Child Left Behind Childrens Do Learn Shouldn't that be "chirrens"?
20691 . jexster - 9/27/2007 6:15:39 PM
In his first appearance as Army chief of staff, Casey told the House Armed Services Committee that the Army is "out of balance" and "the current demand for our forces exceeds the sustainable supply. We are consumed with meeting the demands of the current fight and are unable to provide ready forces as rapidly as necessary for other potential contingencies." The Army Bush Broke
20692 . jexster - 9/27/2007 6:33:24 PM
Worst Congress Ever Doolittle and 5 Aides Received Grand Jury Subpoenas in Abramoff Probe
20693 . jexster - 9/27/2007 9:33:32 PM
24,000 in Washington Square
20694 . jexster - 9/28/2007 1:09:56 PM
Bout sums it up From BushVille's perspective, the problem is - BUSH Stop the friggin presses WASHINGTON - A small group of Republicans facing election fights next year have rallied around war legislation they think could unite the GOP: call for an end to U.S. combat in Iraq, but wait until President Bush is out of office. The legislation was deemed essentially a nonstarter by Democrats Friday and underscored the difficulty Congress has in striking a bipartisan compromise on the war. What attracts Democrats has repelled Republicans and vice versa, making it impossible so far to find a middle ground
20695 . jexster - 9/28/2007 1:26:38 PM
O! Army Invades Billary Hill 24,000 Hear Obama Draw Sharp Distinction's on Brunehilde's Turf And I can report that California is getting ready to rumble. We've set up the first statewide organization outside the early states and are opening our NoCali office on Sunday. In our district alone we have over 8,000 volunteer contacts, over 100,000 Statewide Held our first CD8 Campaign Council meeting last night..Pretty nifty shit
20696 . jexster - 9/28/2007 6:32:31 PM
Sunday we're having our headquarters opening party Sunday two hours later right outside our window, Shrillary's going to be shrieking
20697 . jexster - 9/29/2007 8:38:07 PM
The Way of the Whigs??? Leading indicators point down for GOP John we will rule forever Mike DeNunzio Chairman SF County GOP November 2004 Proving once again that two years is an eternity in politics
20698 . jexster - 9/29/2007 10:02:00 PM
Get ready. We've been watching this one develop for a while. Five wars, five losses. Karzai wants to put the Taliban in the government and Iraq - well it no longer exists. So what oh what is a War Party to do??? Just what they did with their Vietnam disaster. What they always do when they lose a war. Five wars Five Losses The Coming Dolchstoss Campaign Having exposed their country to the ignominy of certain defeat in Iraq, the Bush Administration and its neoconservative allies are seeking to salvage their crumbling reputations by blaming their critics for the catastrophe their policies have wrought. We are witnessing the foundation for a post-Iraq "stab in the back" campaign.
20699 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 9/29/2007 11:29:49 PM
Mario Cuomo on Hardball: Let’s not do what we did before and wind up apologizing for our resolutions and saying we’re sorry. Now remember, the Founding Fathers gave the powers to declare war to the Congress. That power cannot be delegated to the President. You can’t adopt a resolution and say well, the Founding Fathers wanted us to do it, but it’s too heavy a lift for us, so we empower you, Mr. President, if you feel like doing it, to do it. And my goodness, the President you’re talking about is the president who started a war with a mistaken context-assuming he was telling the truth, and I will-he was wrong about the reason for it, he was wrong about complicity, he was wrong about how many troops we needed, he was wrong about how we would be greeted when we got there, he was wrong about the civil war, wrong about how much it would cost, wrong about how long it would last and now you’re saying maybe he can start another war. It’s a mistake; this an opportunity for Democrats to show real leadership. And the presidential candidates should lead the way. And if they don’t, then the question is going to be when it comes to improvident war-making, why are you any better than Bush?
20700 . jexster - 9/30/2007 10:11:54 AM
The Bums Rush Back to the Future Is Hillary Clinton the New Old Al Gore? By FRANK RICH THE Democrats can't lose the White House in 2008, can they? Some 13 months before Election Day, the race's dynamic seems immutable. Americans can't wait to evict the unpopular president and end his disastrous war. As the campaign's poll-tested phrasemaking constantly reminds us, voters crave change above all else. That means nearly any Democrat might do, even if the nominee isn't the first woman, black or Hispanic to lead a major party's ticket. The Republican field of aging white guys, meanwhile, gets flakier by the day. The front-runner has taken to cooing to his third wife over a cellphone in the middle of campaign speeches. His hottest challenger, the new "new Reagan," may have learned his lines for "Law & Order," but clearly needs cue cards on the stump. In Florida, even the most rudimentary details of red-hot local issues (drilling in the Everglades, Terri Schiavo) eluded him. The party's fund-raising is anemic. Its snubs of Hispanic and African-American voters kissed off essential swing states in the Sun Belt and moderate swing voters farther north. So nothing can go wrong for the Democrats. Can it? Of course it can, and not just because of the party's perennial penchant for cutting off its nose to spite its face. ....
20701 . Max Macks - 9/30/2007 2:42:34 PM
Just read that that ass hole John Boltn is in England drummig up support for bombing Iran didn't know tht clown was still around
20702 . jexster - 9/30/2007 2:43:14 PM
There's so much red meat on Millary my arteries clog just thinking about it. The Nepotism Tango By MAUREEN DOWD Maybe it’s fitting that a woman who first sashayed into the national consciousness with an equation — “two for the price of one” — may have her fate determined by the arithmetic of dynasty. The town is divided into two camps: those who think that, after 16 years of Hillary pushing herself forward, the public will get worn out and reject her, and those who think that, after 16 years of Hillary pushing herself forward, the public will get worn down and give in to her I'll have to take up tofu
20703 . jexster - 9/30/2007 6:27:28 PM
Bolton's freelancing for the War Party whackos. He had concerned cackling about Syria's nuclear program They want a little Iran shock and awe but time's running out for the scum
20704 . jexster - 9/30/2007 6:28:45 PM
Quotoe of 2007
[Brunehilde’s] never going to get out of our faces. ... She’s like some hellish housewife who has seen something that she really, really wants and won’t stop nagging you about it until finally you say, fine, take it, be the damn president, just leave me alone. Maureen Dowd quoting TNR literary editor Leon Wieseltier 20705 . jexster - 9/30/2007 8:42:54 PM
She's full o venom today!
Without nepotism, Hillary would be running for the president of Vassar. But then, without nepotism, W. would be pumping gas in Midland — and not out of the ground. 20706 . jexster - 9/30/2007 9:16:53 PM
Little Georgie's hittin the white powder again. I am sure he's drinking. Have you listened to any of his recent speeches Now Sy Hersh confirms that he wants a little fireworks show before he returns to the life of a simple cowboy...Going out with a bang..he's going to bomb Iran but not the non-existent nookolars..just whatever don't matter Sy Hersh:
At a White House meeting with Cheney this summer, according to a former senior intelligence official, it was agreed that, if limited strikes on Iran were carried out, the Administration could fend off criticism by arguing that they were a defensive action to save soldiers in Iraq. If Democrats objected, the Administration could say, “Bill Clinton did the same thing; he conducted limited strikes in Afghanistan, the Sudan, and in Baghdad to protect American lives.” The former intelligence official added, “There is a desperate effort by Cheney et al. to bring military action to Iran as soon as possible. Meanwhile, the politicians are saying, ‘You can’t do it, because every Republican is going to be defeated, and we’re only one fact from going over the cliff in Iraq.’ But Cheney doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the Republican worries, and neither does the President.” 20707 . thoughtful - 10/1/2007 1:02:18 PM
This could make richard mellon scaife look like a piker. It's not bad enough that many people are so easily swayed by the likes of fox news and talk radio...now they're going to get "Freedom Watch". Founded this summer by a dozen wealthy conservatives, the nonprofit group is set apart from most advocacy groups by the immense wealth of its core group of benefactors, its intention to far outspend its rivals and its ambition to pursue a wide-ranging agenda. Its next target: Iran policy. Remember how bush sr got us into somalia just before he left office leaving the mess for wjc to clean up? How much you wanna make a bet that W will do the same for the next pres with iran...
20708 . jexster - 10/1/2007 3:33:20 PM
Not a bet I'd take. The NeoCons are out beating the war drums big time. Time's running out for the scumbags
20709 . jexster - 10/1/2007 3:46:28 PM
Chorus of Bush Advisers Seek Iran War
20710 . jexster - 10/1/2007 4:03:32 PM
Israel Bush Poised for War on Iran A respected American paper posted a scoop this week: Vice President Dick Cheney, the King of Hawks, has thought up a Machiavellian scheme for an attack on Iran. Its main point: Israel will start by bombing an Iranian nuclear installation, Iran will respond by launching missiles at Israel, and this will serve as a pretext for an American attack on Iran. Far-fetched? Not really. It is rather like what happened in 1956.
20711 . arkymalarky - 10/1/2007 6:17:46 PM
Why has Hillary not revealed what she raised this quarter?
20712 . jexster - 10/1/2007 7:15:00 PM
I dunno..sandbagging? And what have you done for the Cause Arky? Say I know where you can find a major Caltrans dump of roadkill for that roadkill stew you like so much
20713 . jexster - 10/1/2007 9:22:33 PM
Bush Hits Bottom Public Favors Democrats on Iraq Most Americans oppose fully funding Bush's $190 billion request for war, and majority support expansion of children's health insurance bill. And Congress approval is 4 points lower than Bush! TD should look at it this way. When you hit bottom, there's no place else to go but up. I'm serious. Stay out of Iran. Pray the Dems go with Shrillary, and the GOPigpile might have a half decent chance next year
20714 . arkymalarky - 10/1/2007 10:51:45 PM
Hey, I'm in southern AR, but I'm not that close to Louisiana.
20715 . concerned - 10/3/2007 12:39:27 AM
Senate Moronity Leader and full time phony Harry Reid blatantly mischaracterized Rush Limbaugh's calling Left Wing flake Jesse Macbeth a 'phony soldier'. After Reid the Rat's ridiculous 'million Iraqi death' gaffe, this is only further proof that he either has little conception of what reality is or no respect for it and his constituents.
20716 . concerned - 10/3/2007 12:40:45 AM
constituents
20717 . concerned - 10/3/2007 12:44:25 AM
And let us not forget 'phony war hero' Harkin.
20718 . concerned - 10/3/2007 12:49:54 AM
Reid the 'Rat, Peloser and Harkin are the stuff of which single digit Congressional approval ratings are made.
20719 . concerned - 10/3/2007 12:53:41 AM
Reid the 'Rat shows how much class he has (none) by lying about Rush Limbaugh.
20720 . jexster - 10/3/2007 1:26:29 AM
I heard Limbaugh. "Phony soldier!" his words listen for yourself And for those who didn't get it the first time, his comment on this Vet's tv spot "Somebody strapped a suicide vest on him" His injuries were from a suicide bombing. But you're right. This is petty GOP stuff. The people want the Dems to end this war not pass stupid resolutions about nothing. Worst Congress ever - GOP Congressional approval - 27% Dems - 38% Listen for yourself Fat sack of shit. Talk about phony! He even cut out the colloquy from his Armed Forces Radio Net broadcast.
20721 . jexster - 10/3/2007 1:32:05 AM
Phony Soldier Maj Gen John Batiste on the Phat Phony
20722 . jexster - 10/3/2007 1:33:43 AM
20723 . concerned - 10/3/2007 1:46:30 AM
The phony soldier was convicted for lying about his war record. That good enough for you, jexster?
20724 . concerned - 10/3/2007 1:47:08 AM
The phony soldier was convicted for lying about his war record. That good enough for you, jexster?
20725 . concerned - 10/3/2007 1:48:27 AM
It would be, except that you're a liar too.
20726 . jexster - 10/3/2007 2:07:10 AM
Bullshit "Phony soldiers" The ones that oppose dying for nothing In his own words ...right up thread
20727 . jexster - 10/3/2007 2:15:10 AM
Media Matters During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers." He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, "Mike from Chicago," who said he "used to be military," and "believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq." Limbaugh told the second caller, whom he identified as "Mike, this one from Olympia, Washington," that "[t]here's a lot" that people who favor U.S. withdrawal "don't understand" and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, " 'Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.' ... 'Save the -- keeps the troops safe' or whatever," adding, "[I]t's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people." "Mike" from Olympia replied, "No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media." Limbaugh interjected, "The phony soldiers." The caller, who had earlier said, "I am a serving American military, in the Army," agreed, replying, "The phony soldiers." As you can see, Limbaugh responded to the firestorm on his website 1)by editing the transcript 2) Adding a totally superfluous diatribe about MacBeth which was not the subject at all. He made that up after the fact. CALLER: The phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country. RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq. RUSH: It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
20728 . jexster - 10/3/2007 2:17:56 AM
So what else is new? These cockroaches have been doing the same thing for 6 years now. Anyone who dares to say Bush has lost five wars and fathered the greatest strategic debacle in US history get the bums rush ..."Sedition!" "Traitor" Same old farts from a the same old GrandOldPigpile of gas bags and the Limbaugh Legion
20729 . jexster - 10/3/2007 2:27:58 AM
The Phony Soldiers Transcript
LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello. CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today? LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you. CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war? LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of -- who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement? CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but -- LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically. CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses. LIMBAUGH: Well, you -- you -- CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong. LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I'm not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have -- CALLER 1: Oh, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything like that, but, you know -- LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are. CALLER 1: No, I'm not. LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is -- the truth is the truth, Mike. CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country -- LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord. [...] CALLER 1: How long is it gonna -- how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that? LIMBAUGH: Mike -- CALLER 1: How long -- you know -- what is it? LIMBAUGH: Mike -- CALLER 1: What is it? LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican. CALLER 1: I am. LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are -- CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican. LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are -- CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican. LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat. CALLER 1: No, but -- LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question -- CALLER 1: -- seriously, how long do we have to stay there -- LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! CALLER 1: -- to win it? How long? LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious. CALLER 1: And that is what? LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long -- just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously. CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever -- LIMBAUGH: I -- it won't -- CALLER 1: -- because that's what it'll take. LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike -- I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas. CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican. LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah. CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but -- LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know. CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take. LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon! CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there? LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up. [...] LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello. CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call. LIMBAUGH: You bet. CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly. LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir. CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And -- LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home." CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what -- LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people. CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media. LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers. CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country. LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined -- CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah. LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere. CALLER 2: Exactly, sir. 20730 . jexster - 10/3/2007 2:30:23 AM
January 25th ..referred to Vietnam Vet and war opponent Chuck Hagel as "Senator Betrayus" Limbaugh: VoteVets lied to soldier in ad, "strapp[ed] those lies to his belt," then sent him out "to walk into as many people" as he can (10/02/2007)
20731 . jexster - 10/3/2007 6:47:57 AM
fter Reid the Rat's ridiculous 'million Iraqi death' gaffe, this is only further proof that he either has little conception of what reality is or no respect for it and his constituents. The Truth is a gaffe to the Moron Mind. A million dead in Iraq is as good an estimate as you will find. Iraqis aren't surprised. Polls work as well in Iraq as they do here. That's why there are 4 million refugees..about 1/6 of the population that can afford to leave has left Clinton +33, &+7 Obama's got to be relentless in the attack. Measured but relentless. The Clinton Machine is too formidable to run a polite campaign against them and have a chance of winning
20732 . jexster - 10/3/2007 7:14:01 AM
Killary's Kackle 8 years of that voice and that laugh.....people be stickin pins in their eardrums
20733 . robertjayb - 10/3/2007 10:55:29 AM
* hides to veto child health bill WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush, in a confrontation with Congress, on Wednesday vetoed a bipartisan bill that would have dramatically expanded children's health insurance. .................................................... The White House sought as little attention as possible, with the president wielding his veto behind closed doors without any fanfare or news coverage.
20734 . concerned - 10/3/2007 11:14:32 AM
If another jackass said that he conducted a poll that said 2 million Iraqis died because of the Iraq war, jexster would be braying the same lie in an instant, claiming that it's "as good an estimate as you will find". Moron.
20735 . concerned - 10/3/2007 11:17:20 AM
This has to be the self referential quote of the year from the demented jexster: The Truth is a gaffe to the Moron Mind.
20736 . concerned - 10/3/2007 11:43:57 AM
I woke up the water cooler crowd yesterday when somebody mentioned slavery reparations. I said that Democrats should pay any such reparations because they're the ones who owned the slaves in the first place. Fair's fair.
20737 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2007 12:40:03 PM
Concerned- you and Rush Limbaugh make a lovely couple . . . of liars . . .
20738 . jexster - 10/3/2007 12:51:30 PM
They aren't "jackasses" any more than Gallup are jackasses. They didn't report 2 million dead, they reported 1.2 million dead. They didn't report results that Bush liked, so instead of embracing the findings as Bush has done in the past They didn't make shit up. Bush and you make shit up. Why just like Limbaugh trying to rewrite his transcript after the fact of his big fat fart Phony soldiers of the Ole Gorey belong in a toilet with Larry Craig
20739 . concerned - 10/3/2007 12:52:47 PM
'Course, you can't recall anything I actually 'lied' about, but you never let that stop your cheap shots before.
20740 . jexster - 10/3/2007 12:52:48 PM
I agree. You oughta hear my "back to Africa" rant. But I won't share because people have threatened to report me to the Obama Campaign pohlees
20741 . concerned - 10/3/2007 12:57:39 PM
Re. 20738 - Yes, they are 'jackasses'. They are also liars and idiots. Your problem is that you don't even know the difference. I'm a bit afriad you might hurt yourself given your diminished perception of reality. Maybe you should have your meds adjusted.
20742 . concerned - 10/3/2007 1:10:55 PM
20739 was meant for Whipper of Cheapshots.
20743 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2007 2:43:08 PM
Concern'd- Let me tell you how you lie. Like Limbaugh, you're only concerned with right vs. left and with right thinking vs. wrong (left) thinking , rather than the discernable consequences of bad patterns of thought and behavior. You overlook and never acknowledge the countless blunders and the horrifying outcomes of the Bush Administration's arrogant policies and ineptitude of everything that isn't political propaganda. These are the reflexive earmarks of a primitive and narrow-minded mentality--a mentality that flourishes on a self-deceit and delusion. Eric Hoffer once said: "it is not only more sensible but more humane to base social practice on the assumption that all motives are questionable and that in the long run social improvement is attained more readily by a concern with the quality of results than with the purity of motives." So, connie, I say this with no malice and no cheap shot in mind: You and Limbaugh lie about everything because you deceive yourselves with your misguided motivations and think you can't be wrong. If you really allowed yourselves to look at just the effect on America from all of those awful decisions and blunders, you couldn't live with it. Stop lying to yourself and wake up to the truth!
20744 . thoughtful - 10/3/2007 2:54:27 PM
cognitive dissonance...too disturbing to some to open their eyes and see the facts.
20745 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2007 3:21:57 PM
In a term, yes, bullseye!
20746 . thoughtful - 10/3/2007 3:59:09 PM
I see a lot of that among my goper friends.
20747 . concerned - 10/3/2007 4:03:51 PM
I think one of the worst things to happen to American society during the last 50 years is the breakup of the black family structure by Left Wing welfare policies. Another one of the worst things to happen to American society during the last 50 years was our do-nothing Left Wing directed HIV control policy. Result: 40,000,000 dead and counting worldwide. The idea that the AIDS virus was going to be the first virus ever to be curable by medication was totally ludicrous and could only have resulted from total ideological blindness and willful medical ignorance. And how about the Korean and Vietnam Wars, the worst US debacles in US history by far. Yep. Started by your fellow Democrats. These were not *just* awful decisions and blunders. They were among the worst decisions of any made during this time frame. I'm posting this in response to two of the biggest sufferers of cognitive dissonance in the Mote.
20748 . concerned - 10/3/2007 4:08:18 PM
Let's not forget the Worst Congress in History and the Jimmuh Cahtuh, the worst president of the 20th Century. The Left Wing Signature Accomplishment in most any area one might check is things really going to hell.
20749 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/3/2007 5:20:00 PM
Concerned, you haven't even the awareness to be embarrassed for your barbaric mentality--but thank you for proving me so perceptive with your latest troglodyte spittle.
20750 . jexster - 10/3/2007 5:25:26 PM
I hope that all Republicans have their heads as far up their asses as TD! We'll get a veto proof Senate, add 30 seats in the House and might even be condemned to 8 years of the Shrieking Shrew and her Cackle
20751 . jexster - 10/3/2007 5:25:44 PM
Dear john, I normally ignore Rush Limbaugh, but his comments last Wednesday went too far for me to remain silent. It's one thing to call me "Dingy Harry" -- it's another to insult our men and women in uniform, calling those who oppose the war "phony soldiers" as Rush did during his September 26 broadcast. Of course, Rush continued his tirade Monday by denying he had said anything wrong and attacking John Murtha, who served 37 years in the Marines. This week, 41 Democrats signed a letter to Clear Channel CEO Mark Mays, demanding that Rush apologize. You can send your own letter to Mays by visiting: http://giveemhellharry.com/rush In December 2006, a poll run by the Military Times found that only 35 percent of service members approved of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq. Would Rush consider every other Soldier, Sailor, Airman and Marine to be phony? What about General John Batiste who retired from active duty in order to speak out against this war? Rush has the courage to sit behind a microphone and lash out at those who oppose George Bush's misadventure in Iraq -- yet when it was his time to serve, he received a deferment and has never worn a uniform. Limbaugh's show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, and therefore service members around the world heard his insults. It's time for Clear Channel to make Rush apologize. Demand that Clear Channel CEO Mark Mays take action by visiting: http://giveemhellharry.com/rush Rush certainly has the right to say whatever he wants -- but we have an obligation to speak out when he goes too far. Thank you, Harry Reid 20752 . jexster - 10/3/2007 5:29:56 PM
'Course, you can't recall anything I actually 'lied' about, but you never let that stop your cheap shots before. Try going up thread for starters Then I think you will find in Lies or Conflict(should rename Debacle) in theME...a compendium of archival evidence refuting your lie about your "reluctant" war support Shit I could be here for a month and still not complete the list. The better, easier task...list the times you've told the truth
20754 . jexster - 10/3/2007 5:54:59 PM
If the Dems didn't have Bush and GOP lackey limbaugh brained dolts like TD, they'd have to rely on their own wits and they'd be up Larry Craig's crapper without a paddle Bush Veto Strategy Threatens Republicans
20755 . concerned - 10/3/2007 6:43:32 PM
Looks like jexster fucked up the page formatting again. Way to go, jexster. Re. 20749 - 'Barbaric'...? You sound like some effete dumbshit who's scared of being bitch slapped by reality. Confucius say: Lefty who goes with gut barf all over himself.
20756 . concerned - 10/3/2007 7:11:35 PM
Re. 20751 - Just shows where the 'Rat's tiny heads are at. They don't have a worthwhile legislative agenda so they mug talk show hosts they don't like.
20757 . concerned - 10/3/2007 7:30:23 PM
Rush Limbaugh ought to visit Congress and explain the First Amendment to the Constitution to slow learners like Hairy Reid the 'Rat.
20758 . jexster - 10/3/2007 7:39:27 PM
The Limbaugh Lectures in Constitutional Law! Sounds like a plan! I say we Imus the fat fuck
20759 . thoughtful - 10/4/2007 4:22:32 PM
what happened to the margins on this page???
20760 . concerned - 10/4/2007 4:24:10 PM
They were jexstered.
20761 . thoughtful - 10/4/2007 4:24:40 PM
From froomkin about the revelation that torture continues and has even been expanded to this day under the bush administration: Georgetown University law professor Marty Lederman blogs: "I am increasingly confident that when the history of the Bush Administration is written, this systematic violation of statutory and treaty-based law concerning fundamental war crimes and other horrific offenses will be seen as the blackest mark in our nation's recent history -- not only because of what was done, but because the programs were routinely sanctioned, on an ongoing basis, by numerous esteemed professionals -- lawyers, doctors, psychologists and government officers -- without whose approval such a systematized torture regime could not be sustained." That was also true about the nazis...that administration was run and sanctioned by the educated and the professional. Just further proof that brains and morals are not necessarily correlated.
20762 . concerned - 10/4/2007 4:36:12 PM
Why does the Left love jerking themselves off so much by inappropriately comparing their political opponents to the Nazis (who were Left Wing Socialists)?
20763 . arkymalarky - 10/4/2007 5:50:24 PM
Yeow! Not only are the margins crazy, but I read the last post and thought I'd mistakenly gone to the archives.
20764 . concerned - 10/4/2007 8:18:33 PM
Phony Soldiers and Phony Senators Recently, at least 41 Democratic Senators, joined by a howling mob including George Soros’ Media Matters, sought to silence Rush Limbaugh because of his reference to “phony” anti war soldiers. Limbaugh’s comments, taken in context, referred to Jesse Macbeth, a confessed and convicted phony, whose faked but graphic war crimes confessions received far wider media notice than his later confession. He had been discharged in boot camp after 40 days of service. Macbeth follows a grand tradition of fake soldiers whose “war crimes” confessions have been used by the Left to slander the service of our troops. For example, Micah Ian Wright, author of the 2003 anti war best seller "You Back the Attack," was an Army Ranger and Combat veteran feted at USC’s Annenberg School and in media like the Washington Post until he was finally “outed” as a complete fake. Many similar examples of phony “soldiers” used by the Left for war crimes confessions are documented in B.G. Burkett’s bestseller Stolen Valor. Indeed, the problem was so endemic that a Republican Congress in 2005, at the urging of many veterans, passed “The Stolen Valor Act” finally criminalizing activities such as those of Macbeth. There is no one more injured by phony war crimes charges lodged by phony veterans than veterans themselves whose service is dishonored by the slander. I know. In 1971, in addition to listening to John Kerry from our unit falsely compare our forces in Viet Nam to “the Army of Jhengiz Khan,” I heard Al Hubbard, the president of Kerry’s VVAW, appearing with Kerry in forums such as Meet the Press and Congress confess to war crimes such as bombing innocent villages. Hubbard was an Air Force pilot, who appeared on national television wearing the Distinguished Flying Cross and many other medals while confessing our guilt in Viet Nam. Except he was none of these things, having left the Air Force as a Sergeant, never serving in Viet Nam at all. Military personnel all over the world thank God for Rush Limbaugh’s stout defense of our military from these fakes. In 1971, there was no one to defend us from the John Kerrys and the Al Hubbards. Indeed, it is the U.S. Senate that is a Potemkin Village. It is a body whose failure to condemn Hubbard’s and Kerry’s 1971 libels is deafening. It is also a place on whose floor active duty soldiers have been compared to the assassins of the Khmer Rouge (Senator Deck Durbin); people who terrorize women and children (Senator Kerry); and (in close proximity) cold blooded murderers (Rep. John Murtha). Hypocrisy and cowardice are terms too kind for those who demean our soldiers without regard to the consequences to them. This conduct when coupled with the effort to silence Limbaugh a stout defender of the troops, can be best described with two words: What phonies.
20765 . wonkers2 - 10/4/2007 9:30:49 PM
Torture in the Bush Administartion--Heroes and Villains
20766 . jexster - 10/4/2007 10:09:04 PM
Seems concerned has a problem understanding the English language. Either that or he is a pathological liar. There are no other explanation for 20764 Sorry Arky. I blew the margins. Concerned blew Larry Craig
20767 . concerned - 10/5/2007 11:11:39 AM
I think the Left's obsession with 'fake but accurate', 'fake but graphic' et al is what is pathological. Lefties keep falling for the same lies and then demonize others for not being as gullible as they are.
20768 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/5/2007 12:05:14 PM
20769 . jexster - 10/5/2007 12:16:03 PM
HA Wizzer! Conservatives Are Such Jokers . The dress like girls and stick cats up their asses. In 1960, John F. Kennedy, who had been shocked by the hunger he saw in West Virginia, made the fight against hunger a theme of his presidential campaign. After his election he created the modern food stamp program, which today helps millions of Americans get enough to eat. But Ronald Reagan thought the issue of hunger in the world’s richest nation was nothing but a big joke. Here’s what Reagan said in his famous 1964 speech “A Time for Choosing,” which made him a national political figure: “We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry each night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet.” Today’s leading conservatives are Reagan’s heirs. If you’re poor, if you don’t have health insurance, if you’re sick — well, they don’t think it’s a serious issue. In fact, they think it’s funny.
20770 . concerned - 10/5/2007 1:27:39 PM
More cheap ad-hominems from a homo and a hominoid. So what crawled up the peanut galleries' ass and died this time?
20771 . jexster - 10/5/2007 2:24:10 PM
The margins are back.. I think all Republicans should be required to register as sex offenders. What do you think TD? I mean really..do you cruise bathrooms with a cat up your ass and a plumber's helper in hand?
20772 . jexster - 10/5/2007 2:24:48 PM
Larry Craig IS FREE! Larry you GO GIRL
20773 . jexster - 10/5/2007 2:28:17 PM
New Military Leaders Question Iraq Mission Washington - Four and a half years after the nation's top military leaders saluted and fell in behind President Bush's pre-emptive invasion of Iraq, their replacements are beginning to question the mission and sound alarms about the toll the war is taking on the Army and the Marine Corps. The change at the Pentagon is striking but little-noticed, in part because Defense Secretary Robert Gates, a longtime veteran of the CIA, is quiet where his predecessor Donald H. Rumsfeld was not. "It's part of a sea change," said Loren Thompson, a military analyst at the Lexington Institute, a national-security research center in Washington. "The ideologues have been replaced by managers who view Iraq not as a cause, but a problem to be solved." Gates, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, Undersecretary for Intelligence Gen. James Clapper and other top officials also are concerned that the war may be crippling the military's ability to respond to other crises. They have allies in the congressional Democratic leadership - particularly House Armed Services Committee Chairman Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri - who've been speaking out about that for months.
20774 . concerned - 10/5/2007 2:31:07 PM
jexster - Did you know that 'WoW' really stands for 'Wiper of Wildcats'? That's purely his brainstorm, considering where his brain is.
20775 . jexster - 10/5/2007 2:35:31 PM
The choice is between one loss and two and given what has been happening in Afghanistan and the Talibanization of Pakistan, I doubt there's even any choice at all Bush has lost two wars and broken the army in the process Mounting evidence, in a variety of official reports in recent weeks, that Iraqi forces won't be prepared to take over from American troops in significant numbers until late next year at the earliest, and that Iraqis have made little progress toward political reconciliation. "Barring that, no amount of troops and no amount of time will make much of a difference," Joint Chiefs Chairman Mullen told the Senate Armed Services Committee. Heckuva job
Our military is low on parts, pay and morale. If called on by the commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have to report ... Not ready for duty, sir. This administration had its moment. They had their chance. They have not led. We will. 20776 . jexster - 10/5/2007 2:36:22 PM
Wizzer you rock..now only Al Davis were about, my day would be complete!
20777 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/5/2007 2:40:55 PM
20778 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/5/2007 2:51:56 PM
20779 . jexster - 10/5/2007 3:44:13 PM
Ain't it rich TD! Larry "Mr. Morals" Craig gets nailed for dick hunting without a license while Rush "These Colors Don't Run" Limbaugh takes a big public shit on the Troops. The only thing missing... a bottle of oxycontin and a desperate cat
20780 . jexster - 10/5/2007 3:53:49 PM
So Arky when you gonna stop talking the talk and fix up a mes o Roadkill stew for the troops? What troops? MY TROOPS! This is what we do..This is what I am doing as one of the CA CD8 Field Operations Teams We sure could use some grits n possum! The Politico.com - Obama Understands what Iowa (and SC, and CA and AR - not Texas) is all about
20781 . jexster - 10/5/2007 3:54:33 PM
"as coordinator"
20782 . concerned - 10/5/2007 4:58:20 PM
jexster - You trying to say you're going to vote for a real man for president in '08?
20783 . jexster - 10/5/2007 7:13:35 PM
Jim Webb's not running..
20784 . jexster - 10/5/2007 7:39:21 PM
I am pissed that more DemoFags aren't standin tall with Larry. Some GOP hairball is tearing into Larry as some sort of Traitor to the Cause right now on "Hardball" "I am only interested in the values of my Party and the good of my country..." To which, his interlocutor replied..zip, zap I am jealous: "That's exactly why he shouldn't resign!"
20785 . jexster - 10/5/2007 9:39:57 PM
Damn he was on PBS 2nite. Great interview. The more I see of the Man from Hope, the more I heart Huckabee
20786 . jexster - 10/6/2007 12:18:02 PM
Fags,they're so fickle The War Criminal by Andrew Sullivan After reading the full investigative piece in the NYT today on how this administration decided on breaking America's historic ban on torture and then pursued a long, corrupting policy of ensuring that the interpretation of the law was politicized to keep torture alive, it is hard to disagree with Marty Lederman:
Between this and Jane Mayer's explosive article in August about the CIA black sites, I am increasingly confident that when the history of the Bush Administration is written, this systematic violation of statutory and treaty-based law concerning fundamental war crimes and other horrific offenses will be seen as the blackest mark in our nation's recent history -- not only because of what was done, but because the programs were routinely sanctioned, on an ongoing basis, by numerous esteemed professionals -- lawyers, doctors, psychologists and government officers -- without whose approval such a systematized torture regime could not be sustained. 20787 . jexster - 10/6/2007 12:23:01 PM
There is no doubt - no doubt at all - that these tactics are torture and subject to prosecution as war crimes. We know this because the law is very clear when you don't have war criminals like AEI's John Yoo rewriting it to give one man unchecked power. We know this because the very same techniques - hypothermia, long-time standing, beating - and even the very same term "enhanced interrogation techniques" - "verschaerfte Vernehmung" in the original German - were once prosecuted by American forces as war crimes. The perpetrators were the Gestapo. The penalty was death. You can verify the history here.
20788 . robertjayb - 10/6/2007 8:40:03 PM
Huge new U.S. embassy a mess... Is Condi not minding the store? (McClatchy) WASHINGTON — The latest problem with the trouble-plagued new U.S. embassy complex in Iraq is that the sprinkler systems meant to contain a fire do not work, according to officials in Congress and the State Department. ................................................. The embassy complex, being built by First Kuwaiti General Trade and Contracting Co., has been marred by repeated problems. In May, when kitchen facilities at a guard camp that is part of the embassy complex were tested, the electrical system malfunctioned and wires melted. A subsequent inquiry showed that First Kuwaiti had used counterfeit electrical wiring that did not meet specifications, according to testimony at a congressional hearing in July.
20789 . jexster - 10/6/2007 8:43:47 PM
That's what you get for using slave labor Can't do it right without some ass-kickin overseers right Robt?
20790 . arkymalarky - 10/6/2007 10:34:18 PM
Slate's "Trailhead" speculated several days ago about a handwritten Hillary note on her website. Inquiring about whether she actually wrote the note resulted in deflection and still no response. I thought it interesting and tried to go into the Fray to see what if any discussion there was about it, and it was harder than ever to even look at. More importantly, though, they seem to have dropped the question and I haven't seen it raised anywhere else. This Blackwater/union issue with her top advisor may, though. I'll be very interested to see how the shady stuff is covered in the MSM between now and the Iowa caucus.
20791 . jexster - 10/7/2007 11:28:14 AM
The Clinton's manipulate the MSM as well as Bush does. TPMElection Central should be called and I do call it HRCEC I posted that Blackwater story right in the middle of one of their intermidable "Hillar's ahead in the polls" posts cause that's all there is there anymore. They may have posted it later on but I was first....
20792 . jexster - 10/7/2007 11:28:50 AM
If you feel like the Clinton's are giving you the bums rush...that's because they are
20793 . jexster - 10/7/2007 11:39:28 AM
CA Democrats Play Hardball to Kill GOP Electoral College Theft Attempt
20794 . arkymalarky - 10/7/2007 11:42:42 AM
I can't function in that place. I agree about the Clinton machine--for now--but I wonder what it will be like in December-January. Obama needs to get on the stick nationally, imo, but I noticed in Huffingtonpost that Gates gave to him and not Hillary. If Obama's not working the national media more effectively by the first of November I'm going to begin to get nervous. Bob was watching Edwards on MTP, whom he wants to support, but said he got bored and changed the channel. Obama's the only one who has a chance of stopping Hillary. Dems need some good 523's of their own to counter the VRWC to get Hillary nominated. She's taken "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" to new heights.
20795 . jexster - 10/7/2007 12:18:22 PM
Obama is starting to kick some ass, and Hillary's givin us the bums rush now for a reason, which is what I think you are sayign Interesting intel from the Campaign...THere was a poll of house/senate races that is bothering the hell out of Tester and Webb. They're afraid Hillary will lose the congress. And I was listening to Webb on Hardball a couple days before I heard this and thought to myself he sure was going out of his way to take a shot at RodHam on Iran..Now I know why But listen to what the MSM is saying about the polls. You'd think that Hillary was skyrocketing. But look at the trend lines of all polls on ThePollster - Hillary's actually slipped a bit over the past two weeks Bums rush
20796 . jexster - 10/7/2007 12:19:11 PM
Worst President Ever? Bush Staffers Flee, Worry About Legacy
20797 . arkymalarky - 10/7/2007 12:39:20 PM
Obama is starting to kick some ass This is the part I'm not seeing. I keep telling people here to wait until Iowa, and right now they're dubious--they're on the "foregone conclusion" bandwagon.
20798 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/7/2007 1:44:57 PM
arky- I made a post in T&S that I think you might enjoy and benefit from.
20799 . arkymalarky - 10/7/2007 3:09:21 PM
Thanks! I'll go look.
20800 . wonkers2 - 10/7/2007 4:51:38 PM
A Nation of Christians Is Not a Christian Nation
20801 . wonkers2 - 10/7/2007 4:52:14 PM
I wish Kucinich would start kicking some ass!
20802 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/7/2007 5:19:18 PM
I've decided to vote for Kucinch. He's the only real Democrat in the feild.
20803 . jexster - 10/7/2007 8:34:18 PM
They can have Lieberman Worst Congress Ever - Democrats Set to Boost Senate Majority Democrats are positioned to bolster their Senate majority in next year's elections, which would give them more clout regardless who succeeds President George W. Bush in the White House. With Republicans dogged by retirements, scandals and the Iraq war, there's an outside chance Democrats will gain as many as nine seats in the 100-member Senate in the November 2008 elections, which would give them a pivotal 60. That is the number of votes needed to clear Republican procedural roadblocks, which have been used to thwart the Democrats' efforts to force a change in Bush's policy on the Iraq war, particularly plans to withdraw U.S. troops. The last time Democrats had an overriding majority in the Senate was in the 1977-1979 congressional session, when they held 61 seats. "Sixty is not outside the realm of possibility," said Jennifer Duffy, who tracks Senate races for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.
20804 . judithathome - 10/8/2007 2:16:10 AM
This is an excellent rant: John Cole on Republican Decline For starters, people got tired of being associated with these drooling retards. Then, when they realized that these drooling retards had ideological allies running the show in the Bush administration and then began to experience their idiotic policies, they moved from disgusted to outright hostile. Like me. It had nothing to do with Burke, and everything to do with what the party had become. A bunch of bedwetting, loudmouth, corrupt, hypocritical, and incompetent boobs with a mean streak a mile long and no sense of fair play or proportion. Seriously- what does the current Republican party stand for? Permanent war, fear, the nanny state, big spending, torture, execution on demand, complete paranoia regarding the media, control over your body, denial of evolution and outright rejection of science, AND ZOMG THEY ARE GONNA MAKE US WEAR BURKHAS, all the while demanding that in order to be a good American I have to spend most of every damned day condemning half my fellow Americans as terrorist appeasers. And that isn’t even getting into the COMPLETE and TOTAL corruption of our political processes at every level. The shit is really going to hit the fan after we vote these jackasses out of power in 2008. Screw them. I got out. They can have their party. I will vote for Democrats and little L libertarians and isolationists until the crazy people aren’t running the GOP. The threat of higher taxes in the short term isn’t enough to keep me from voting out crazy people and voting for sane people with whom I merely disagree regarding policy. Hillarycare doesn’t scare me as much as Frank Gaffney having a line to the person with the nuclear football or Dobson and company crafting domestic policy. That is why the Republican party is in shambles. The majority of us have decided that the movers and shakers in the GOP and the blogospheric right are certified lunatics who, in a decent and sane society, we would have in controlled environments in rocking chairs under shade trees for most of the day, wheeled in at night for tapioca pudding and some karaoke.
20805 . jexster - 10/8/2007 12:01:49 PM
Daniel Levy on The Israel Lobby
20806 . jexster - 10/8/2007 12:03:13 PM
You gotta wonder Judith whether the Dems have spiked RNC water with some of that famous suicide juice they've been drinking for decades
20807 . thoughtful - 10/8/2007 1:33:21 PM
actually the op ed of the nyt this week was a real winner. I think it's no longer behind the select stuff so it's worth checking out. friedman on through the looking glass with dana perino frank rich and mo dowd trashing justice thomas wonks posted above about a xtian nation
20808 . jexster - 10/8/2007 3:06:43 PM
How anti-war is Hillary? by kos
20809 . jexster - 10/8/2007 4:44:15 PM
As TD drinks his KoolAid, the Grand Old Pigpilians prepare to drink James Jones flavor Worst Congress Ever! As Campaign Nears, GOP Lawmakers Increasingly Unnerved Over IraQ
20810 . jexster - 10/8/2007 6:29:49 PM
Finding a Job for the First Laddie Financial Times
20811 . jexster - 10/8/2007 9:42:57 PM
Manly Man of Virginia Castrates John Scarborough
20812 . jexster - 10/9/2007 12:23:50 PM
Baby steps...
Republican Id That's great. Racist candidate Tancredo says that border towns that are against his nutso border fence idea should be made part of Mexico. --Josh Marshall Then Tejas!20813 . jexster - 10/9/2007 1:14:53 PM
5 Wars 5 Defeats One Broken Army Worst Congress Ever Democrats Shooting for 60 Senate Seats - Roll Call
20814 . jexster - 10/9/2007 1:30:04 PM
Bush's Illegal War What the Constitution Says About Iraq Mario Cuomo Most Americans want the war in Iraq ended, but it continues and Americans are killed, mutilated or wounded every day, as the Democratic majorities in Congress struggle to produce legislation that will take our forces out of harm’s way. Meanwhile, President Bush continues to insist that as commander in chief, he has the constitutional power to go to war and decide when to end it, unilaterally. At the same time, another possible disaster emerges from the shadows: Bush appears to be considering a military assault on Iran, again apparently without Congress declaring war first. How did we get to this point and what, if anything, can we do now? The war happened because when Bush first indicated his intention to go to war against Iraq, Congress refused to insist on enforcement of Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. For more than 200 years, this article has spelled out that Congress — not the president — shall have “the power to declare war.” Because the Constitution cannot be amended by persistent evasion, this constitutional mandate was not erased by the actions of timid Congresses since World War II that allowed eager presidents to start wars in Vietnam and elsewhere without a “declaration” by Congress. Nor were the feeble, post-factum congressional resolutions of support of the Iraq invasion — in 2001 and 2002 — adequate substitutes for the formal declaration of war demanded by the founding fathers. What can be done now?
20815 . concerned - 10/9/2007 2:43:44 PM
What can be done now? The Left can endlessly whine about it, apparently.
20816 . jexster - 10/9/2007 4:39:15 PM
Need those 60 seats Worst Congress ever
20817 . jexster - 10/9/2007 4:42:09 PM
The Same Old Pigpil Krugman
20818 . jexster - 10/9/2007 4:46:57 PM
Now, as they survey the wreckage of their cause, conservatives may ask themselves: “Well, how did we get here?” They may tell themselves: “This is not my beautiful Right.” They may ask themselves: “My God, what have we done?” But their movement is the same as it ever was. And Mr. Bush is movement conservatism’s true, loyal heir.
20819 . jexster - 10/9/2007 6:28:11 PM
Bartlett on GOP Field: They Suck
20820 . wonkers2 - 10/9/2007 6:48:24 PM
How about Hagel or Bloomberg?
20821 . jexster - 10/9/2007 6:51:58 PM
HA! That was last summer's pipe dream How about Michigan! The rest of the field called Billary on that scam. Now don't seat the fucking delegation!
20822 . jexster - 10/9/2007 7:59:47 PM
They must think we all have cats up our asses.... WH Denies that Leak Helped AlQaeda
20823 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/9/2007 10:12:36 PM
20824 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/9/2007 10:14:26 PM
Underneath the diaper is a cat!
20825 . arkymalarky - 10/9/2007 10:25:51 PM
What effect will Hillary staying on Michigan's ballot have on the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries?
20826 . jexster - 10/9/2007 10:38:35 PM
It hurts her and most to my liking hurts that Hillary Huckster wonkers.. God I loathe that woman...but I am more interested in Dan Bartlett's favorite candidate and mine too! Didn't particularly appreciate the comment about a "hick name" (where's the outrage Arky?) Good long shot bet...my favorite republican, the Man from Hope
20827 . jexster - 10/9/2007 10:42:57 PM
More than just Iowa or NH, the Michigan primary was just a big bogus Billary fraud. Lined up all those scum sucking Michigan machine pols and tried to pull a fast one. Should it come down to a tight convention, the forces of the People will move to deny credentials to the entire lot of rust suckers
20828 . robertjayb - 10/9/2007 10:50:59 PM
...a sample of Garrison Keillor from Salon; The gang of Republicans running for president is hoping to induce amnesia -- Old Fred and the cross-dressing thrice-married ex-mayor and the bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran man, the handsome one with the 43 grandparents, the Southern gov who lost all that weight, Sen. Brownbutt, and others -- they need some miracle to make people forget what happened the past seven years. They are out there bloviating about personal responsibility, the sanctity of marriage, the need for balanced budgets, the bravery of our men in uniform, the treachery of Democrats, and meanwhile there are huge steaming heaps of elephant dung in the room that they studiously ignore. Their party inflicted on this country an idiot for a president (remember Harriet Miers?) and a monumentally corrupt Congress that abandoned its constitutional responsibilities, and now they hope for a miracle, some huge distraction, like maybe a married gay couple driving a Volvo with Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers and a suitcase full of liquids and gels and enough hairspray to blow up Grant's Tomb -- something dramatic.
20829 . jexster - 10/9/2007 11:10:57 PM
That deserves an award The Imperial Tejas Turd Blossom
20830 . arkymalarky - 10/9/2007 11:14:11 PM
God I loathe that woman I dislike her, and as I said, more than a littls is from her AR political history, but my feelings are visceral and I don't get them, but I also don't get people who do claim to like her. My populist wish is some version of Obama and Edwards. Either way, though, I can't read her at this point as inevitable, and I know I'm biased, but there was a good article online in Time about that. It was linked in Huffingtonpost. There was also a story there about her pulling her "baby bonds" idea in response to GOP criticism. I've watched this woman for almost my entire adult life, and I think people who support her now will not be happy with her as president. No one will be happier than I will if I turn out to be wrong, but I don't think a leopard spot change is likely after 25 years.
20831 . jexster - 10/9/2007 11:28:21 PM
Baby bonds, IRA payolas...I would not have sex with that woman either But I am serious about Hucks....hard core conservative, southerner, compassionate new face, not associated with Bushville, not a heretic, not an actor, not a drag queen with 3 wives, and not a racist For a party that looks for the world to be headed to the bottom of the toilet bowl next year, if I were a Republican, I'd take a hard look at the Huck
20832 . arkymalarky - 10/9/2007 11:46:15 PM
Note how deftly I've ignored your gigging about him! ;-) Again, though, if you were in AR you would know a much different side of him. He's vindictive and intolerant of any opposition. He got so personally ugly with a legislator who was hesitant to support his education bill (which consolidated almost all control over education to the executive) that he made scandalous accusations about him having used his influence to get a relative out of trouble with the law. That's just one of many examples. I'd still like to know why he disintegrated the state computers before he left. I worked far more closely in politics with him as governor than I did when Clinton was in charge and Hillary was over education--I was a fairly new teacher then. Look at www.mikehuckabee.com and you'll see a sampling. It's also telling that he's not getting the GOP support even in his own state. You have to be around him for a while, but he can't help himself--eventually he'll show an ugly, catty side, especially if he's ever challenged or crossed.
20833 . arkymalarky - 10/9/2007 11:46:45 PM
Note how deftly I've ignored your gigging about him! ;-) Again, though, if you were in AR you would know a much different side of him. He's vindictive and intolerant of any opposition. He got so personally ugly with a legislator who was hesitant to support his education bill (which consolidated almost all control over education to the executive) that he made scandalous accusations about him having used his influence to get a relative out of trouble with the law. That's just one of many examples. I'd still like to know why he disintegrated the state computers before he left. I worked far more closely in politics with him as governor than I did when Clinton was in charge and Hillary was over education--I was a fairly new teacher then. Look at www.mikehuckabee.com and you'll see a sampling. Or look at the Arkansas Times. It's also telling that he's not getting the GOP support even in his own state. You have to be around him for a while, but he can't help himself--eventually he'll show an ugly, catty side, especially if he's ever challenged or crossed.
20834 . arkymalarky - 10/9/2007 11:47:57 PM
Sorry about the double. And while I'm at it, I agree with you. At first, and even second and third glance, it seems amazing that Huckabee hasn't caught fire. But I believe it's because party insiders know him better than what the general public does.
20835 . jexster - 10/10/2007 12:33:36 PM
Caught by the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy, Hillary rattled... Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran
20836 . jexster - 10/10/2007 12:52:08 PM
But he seems so ...well pastor-al..Like some memory from Sunday School!
20837 . jexster - 10/10/2007 2:16:30 PM
The Rudy Apocalypse - Mullah Dobson Wacks Three Pussies
20838 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/10/2007 3:40:15 PM
20839 . jexster - 10/10/2007 4:26:11 PM
HA! I bet concerned will have a gay old time
20840 . jexster - 10/10/2007 10:38:38 PM
New Obama ad on Energy dependence and the idiots in Deetroit Running in NH
20841 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/10/2007 11:22:45 PM
20842 . arkymalarky - 10/11/2007 12:32:44 AM
I don't read Kausfiles much, but the headline got me curious. how shitty is this? And when I clicked the Huffpo link it was a nothing article. If Mickey Kaus is an ignorant jerk, shouldn't his readership know about it?
20843 . wonkers2 - 10/11/2007 10:23:25 AM
Kaus is one of the most irritating bloggers on Slate.
20844 . wonkers2 - 10/11/2007 10:28:59 AM
There is a scary article in the Oct 8 New Yorker by Seymour Hersh about Cheney's ongoing campaign to bomb Iran. Apparently the latest plan is to launch "surgical" strikes on Revolutionary Guard training camps and facilities followed up by quick ground incursions by Special Forces. Hersh claims that Gordon Brown supports the plan. Hillary's vote helped enable Bush's invasion of Iraq and her recent vote labeling the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization is a step toward enabling Bush to widen the war to include Iran. When will they ever learn?
20845 . jexster - 10/11/2007 1:07:43 PM
Thank you! Mo Dowd nailed that one: Hillary calls it "her experience" edge. I call it total triangulated bullshit
If you know the dingbat vice president is agitating for a conflict with Iran, if you know that Condi is chasing after Cheney with a butterfly net on Iran and Syria, if you know you can’t believe anything this administration says, why vote to give them more backing on their dysfunctional Middle East policy? ....When Hillary voted to let W. use force in Iraq, she didn’t even read the intelligence estimate. She wasn’t trying to do the right thing. She was trying to do the opportunistic thing. She felt she could not run for president, as a woman, if she played the peacenik. ... But maybe she knows that Rudy will hurl thunderbolts at her, as he did in the debate yesterday, suggesting that she doesn’t have the guts to use a military option to stop Iran from going nuclear. Voters seem more concerned with Hillary’s political expediency — which the vote underscored — than with her ability to be manly. Her camp seems to think her vote was a safe one because W. and Cheney do not have the time or support to bomb Iran, and that Bob Gates can stop it. But she may be underestimating W. and Cheney. She should be at least as paranoid about that pair as she was about an Iowa Democrat. 20846 . Max Macks - 10/11/2007 3:09:28 PM
wonkers , ya I read that article by Seymour Hersha made me think of Dr. Stranglove an Cheney Do you think Bush could bomb Iran without Congress approval? btw, Willthe Democrats nominate yet another person in this case Hillary who will not get elected.???
20847 . jexster - 10/11/2007 4:38:38 PM
I think Bush can do whatever Bush wants, and SHillary'd be left with "if I only knew then what I know now" And we'd be stuck with Villary A beautiful take down of the mental masturbation of the BushVille Punditocracy Obama: The Rock Star Can't Win for Losing
20848 . jexster - 10/11/2007 4:44:14 PM
The Likud Wing of the Grand Old War Party Rudy Three Pussies Corners the Market on NeoCon Whackadoos
20849 . jexster - 10/11/2007 7:43:47 PM
Worst Congress Ever Yet another GOP retirement: Rep. Regula (R-OH) If TD didn't like this congress, just wait for the next one
20850 . wonkers2 - 10/11/2007 7:48:01 PM
The pundits are jumping on Mitt Romney about his "check with the lawyers" response to Chris Matthews's question about what he would do if we faced a threat from Iran. If my memory serves me George Romney's campaign was derailed by a similar ill-considered remark to the effect that he had "been brainwashed." Does anybody remember what this was about? I'll try to look it up.
20851 . wonkers2 - 10/11/2007 7:55:40 PM
Romney reversed him on his support of the Vietnam war with the remark "When I came back from Vietnam (in Nov. 1965)I'd just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get." This remark cost him the lead to Richard Nixon in the race for the GOP nomination. Some said that the President should be too smart to be brainwashed. And the fact that the Manchurian Candidate had been a big hit not long before didn't help. (per wikipedia)
20852 . wonkers2 - 10/11/2007 8:09:23 PM
Here's Obama's op-ed today in the Vermont Union Leader NEWS Animals Business Crime Education Environment Health Obituaries Politics Public safety Religion Roads and Travel War on terror Sports Top 10 stories PHOTO GALLERY On assignment Great Places Scene Setters Monarchs Full Page Reprints CLASSIFIEDS Place an ad Cars Jobs Homes LOCAL VOICES Granite Status State House Dome City Hall John Clayton Publisher's Notes Drew Cline's blog OUTDOORS John Harrigan Stacey Cole Dick Pinney NEWHAMPSHIRE.COM Concerts Nightlife Arts, theater LISTINGS Places to visit Things to do Personals SPECIAL REPORTS ?Primary '08 The Briggs murder Parental notification Sex offenders ?Manchester school bus routes CUSTOMER CARE ?Home delivery ?Easy Charge ?One-time payment Electronic edition Company store Cooking school Sponsorships ADVERTISING Public notices Rate card SERVICES NewsBank archives Engagements, weddings, births Union Leader jobs Sponsorships RSS feed About RSS News tips & feedbackSen. Barack Obama: Five years after Iraq war vote, we're still foolishly rattling our sabers By SEN. BARACK OBAMA 19 hours, 1 minute ago ON THE FIFTH anniversary of the Senate's vote to authorize an open-ended war in Iraq, we should resolve to never repeat the terrible mistake of launching a misguided war. But unfortunately, the Senate risked doing exactly that when it recently opened the door to an extension and escalation of the ongoing war in Iraq to include military action against Iran. There is no doubt that Iran poses a threat. It has armed terrorists beyond its borders, maintains an illicit nuclear program, and its leaders have issued belligerent threats that are a concern to us all. But our first and most important avenue to contain Iranian aggression is to try the tough and direct diplomacy that the Bush administration has too often disdained. Instead of encouraging that diplomacy, an amendment passed last month by the Senate could be used by the President as justification to strike Iran under the authority granted to him by the 2002 Iraq war resolution. The amendment, offered by Sens. Joe Lieberman and Jon Kyl, directly links the ongoing war in Iraq -- including our troop presence -- to checking the threat from Iran. The amendment opens with 17 findings that highlight Iranian influence within Iraq. It then states that we have to "transition(s) and structure" our "military presence in Iraq" to counter the threat from Iran, and states that it is "a critical national interest of the United States" to prevent the Iranian government from exerting influence inside Iraq. Why is this so dangerous? The Bush administration could use language like this to justify a continued troop presence in Iraq as long as it perceives a threat from Iran. Even worse, the Bush administration could use the language in Lieberman-Kyl to justify an attack on Iran as a part of the ongoing war in Iraq. As my colleague Sen. Joe Biden, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said in opposing the amendment, "I do not want to give the President and his lawyers any argument that Congress has somehow authorized military actions." He is exactly right. Because as we learned with the original authorization of the Iraq war -- when you give this President a blank check, you can't be surprised when he cashes it. I strongly differ with Sen. Hillary Clinton, who was the only Democratic presidential candidate to support this reckless amendment. We do need to tighten sanctions on the Iranian regime, particularly on Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which sponsors terrorism far beyond Iran's borders. But this must be done separately from any unnecessary saber-rattling about checking Iranian influence with our "military presence in Iraq." Above all, it must be done through tough and direct diplomacy with Iran, which I have supported, and which Sen. Clinton has called "naive and irresponsible." Sen. Clinton says she was merely voting for more diplomacy, not war with Iran. If this has a familiar ring, it should. Five years after the original vote for war in Iraq, Sen. Clinton has argued that her vote was not for war -- it was for diplomacy, or inspections. But all of us knew what the Senate was debating in 2002. John Edwards has renounced his own vote for the war, and he should be applauded for his candor. After all, we didn't need to authorize a war in order to have United Nations weapons inspections. No one thought Congress was debating diplomacy. No newspaper headlines ran on Oct. 12, 2002, reading, "Congress authorizes diplomacy." This was a vote to authorize war, and without that vote, there would have been no war. America needs a leader who will make the right judgments about matters as grave as war and peace, and America needs a leader who will be straight with them. When I spoke out against going to war in Iraq in 2002, I knew that I was putting my political career on the line. Going to war was popular; so was President Bush. But I felt strongly that a war in Iraq would lead to an open-ended and destructive occupation of Iraq, and weaken us in the fight against al-Qaida in Afghanistan. And I felt a responsibility to say so. Now, the Senate has once again voted for an amendment that goes out of its way to draw connections between distinct threats, and that replaces judicious policy-making with unnecessary saber-rattling. And once again, we hear that it is not really a vote for more war, it is a vote for more diplomacy. But the way to support diplomacy is to actually pursue it, which is what I have called for in this campaign. Not the ad hoc Bush-Cheney diplomacy of not talking to people we don't like, but real, direct, and sustained diplomacy that exhausts all of our options instead of rushing to war. In choosing their next President, the American people need to look at the judgments each of the candidates has made on war in the past, and at who has clearly learned the lessons of this disastrous war going forward. This is not a debate about 2002; it's about the future, and in that debate I can run on, and not from, my record. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is running for the Democratic nomination for President. ?For updates from New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation primary, sign up for our morning headlines and news alerts YOUR COMMENTS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The voices of UnionLeader
20853 . wonkers2 - 10/11/2007 8:11:40 PM
It was a big, possibly fatal, mistake for Hillary to cast her lot with Bush, Lieberman and John Kyl. Obama is absolutely right on this one!
20854 . jexster - 10/11/2007 8:18:11 PM
Some like her triangulated experience Hillary's Policies Not Much Different from Bush's Fox News
20855 . jexster - 10/11/2007 8:19:17 PM
Gee wonkers I appreciate your enthusiasm but how bout selecting some of the garbage for deletion next time! What do you think this is, Woodward Ave?
20856 . jexster - 10/11/2007 8:22:05 PM
Obama: Blank Check
20857 . wonkers2 - 10/11/2007 8:34:58 PM
Sorry! I'm a tech idiot.
20858 . jexster - 10/11/2007 9:18:28 PM
That's cause you're from MICHIGAN! I heard that UMich just lost one of its top genetic scientists to California because of your embryonic stem cell ban Can't even play decent football up there any more!
20859 . jexster - 10/11/2007 9:19:26 PM
20860 . arkymalarky - 10/11/2007 10:19:23 PM
Hey, Wonk, I'm glad to see the article with the extra stuff in it! I missed that today, and it's some of what I've been waiting for wrt Obama. (wonder if Jex will make MY post bold!?)
20861 . jexster - 10/11/2007 10:29:36 PM
For Thanksgivin right Wonk!!! Fri, Nov 23 Arkansas 3:30 pm --
20862 . jexster - 10/11/2007 11:19:43 PM
Obama Addresses The Aggression Question
20863 . jexster - 10/11/2007 11:58:18 PM
When the much ballyhoo'ed "Hillary Surges" WaPo poll came out last week, I reported my hunch that when the regression had been done, it would prove to be an outlier The Regression has been done As I noted at the time, if anything Hillary has lost support and is certainly not "surging" no matter how many times you hear it from BushVille Media Inc
20864 . jexster - 10/12/2007 12:07:57 PM
GORE WINS!
20865 . jexster - 10/12/2007 1:14:04 PM
Like I said Arky, hands down the best choice for real Republicans next year. The alarums from antiwar.com's conservative libertarian wing are all the endorsement any loyal War Party republican need have The Huckabee Horror: Justin Raimondo Screw JewLiani and his moral bankruptcies...Huck's the only GOP candidate who makes GOP sense
20866 . jexster - 10/12/2007 3:05:10 PM
Worst Congreff Ever! Grand Jury Subpoenas Aide to GOP Leader, Rep Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
20867 . wonkers2 - 10/12/2007 3:26:17 PM
The link doesn't work (20866).
20868 . jexster - 10/12/2007 3:40:00 PM
That's cause I am a tech idiot! A Huck of Horrors - He'd Shred the Constitution in a Heart Beat
20869 . arkymalarky - 10/12/2007 6:26:20 PM
It amazes me how transparent the GOP is about wanting Hillary as the nominee and how hard they're pushing it. I told you he's scary. He has an ego and a dead certainty about everything he wants that's completely unwavering. I've never seen him back down from or compromise on anything he wanted. Never.
20870 . arkymalarky - 10/12/2007 6:28:57 PM
BTW, I notice he's finally bought his name back off the internet. Too bad. I hope the guy gives himself a great vacation with the money he got. Heh heh.
20871 . jexster - 10/12/2007 7:39:13 PM
You want scary? Lou Dobbs on BushWar on the middle class "I don't care what Bush calls himself - compassionate conservative, republican or abject fool"
20872 . jexster - 10/12/2007 7:49:12 PM
"I would engage in negotiations with Iran, with no conditions because we don't really understand how Iran works," Brunehilde the Experienced
20873 . jexster - 10/12/2007 8:49:53 PM
Worst Congress Ever! Craig ethics complaint backfires on GOP Larry who? Now that scandal-tinged Idaho Sen. Larry Craig has reneged on a pledge to resign this fall, his fellow Republican senators act as though they hardly know him. They want voters to forget him, too. But they privately acknowledge that an earlier strategy to drive Craig from office has backfired, sticking them with an open-ended ethics investigation likely to keep the issue before the public for months. Senate Republicans demanded the Ethics Committee inquiry into his sex-sting conviction last summer in hopes of forcing Craig to resign. He essentially called their bluff this month when he reversed his decision to resign Sept. 30 unless a court let him drop his guilty plea. Now Republicans are powerless to stop a process almost certain to do more political damage to the party in general than to a retiring senator. "I think they were a little fanciful" in urging the Senate's Select Committee on Ethics to take up the matter, said Stanley Brand, a Washington lawyer for Craig. He called the strong-arm strategy "ethical waterboarding," referring to the controversial interrogation technique.
20874 . arkymalarky - 10/12/2007 9:35:51 PM
"I would engage in negotiations with Iran, with no conditions because we don't really understand how Iran works," I thought that was fairly stupid and was sort of puzzled no one else mentioned that. And she said "not the leaders, but the country," which I didn't understand at all, and instead of picking up on that TPM and Fox used it as "evidence" she didn't contradict herself. I'm not following anyone's line of reasoning on that flap--except Obama's and Edwards'.
20875 . jexster - 10/12/2007 10:19:53 PM
TPMElection Central is a charter member of We Shill for Hill 2008 I make it a point to run at least one drive by every day or two They're awful and so is Olbermann The Clintons were powerful in 2000 when they screwed Gore and instead of standing tall against the outrages of the past 8 years big bill became Poppy's best friend, and wifeee underwrote Georgie's little wars. Instead of standing tall, the Clintons laid in the weeds growing their campaign machine and fine tuning their Comeback Kid III strategy. Case in point of their power - Rep John Lewis endorsed Hillary today. In March he had been counted an Obama supporter and it was reported that he was about to endorse at the Montgomery-Selma thing when big Bill intervened to get a postponement Well over the months they worked his ass as well as Oaktown Mayor and former Rep Ron Dellums They've lined up media shills from TPM to Olbermann (checkout his marshmallow interview yesterday) and they're calling in the chits from the black power elite
20876 . jexster - 10/12/2007 10:20:28 PM
Hill and Bill are going for the Big Kill by December.
20877 . jexster - 10/12/2007 10:22:05 PM
But the Tigers..they eat on November 23 in Death Valley The House That Huey Built
20878 . jexster - 10/13/2007 12:04:46 AM
Republican Rats Scramble to Take Over Sinking Ship Times of London
20879 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/13/2007 12:14:38 PM
I have to laugh--I thought that link title was made up, but it's the actual title of the piece.
20880 . jexster - 10/13/2007 2:07:41 PM
Tim Russert Wakes Up, Smells Coffee I've been preaching for six months the Gospel of Hillary Clinton's Fraudulent Experience. At last Tim Russert picked it up:
I don't understand why the her opponents don't focus on Hillary Clinton's experience - her failed National Health Care plan and her vote for the Iraq War I put it a bit more harshly than that Russert paraphrase - 1. Sponsor Great Health Care debacle of 1993 2. Co-Sponsor Greatest Strategic Disaster in US History 2002-2006 (FOUR YEARS until she realized that her initial triangulation - the war would be over by the time she planned to run for president - was DOA) 3. Shady fundraising practices which she continues unabashedly to this very day. 20881 . wonkers2 - 10/14/2007 11:47:40 AM
The ‘Good Germans’ Among Us By FRANK RICH Published: October 14, 2007 “BUSH lies” doesn’t cut it anymore. It’s time to confront the darker reality that we are lying to ourselves. Ten days ago The Times unearthed yet another round of secret Department of Justice memos countenancing torture. President Bush gave his standard response: “This government does not torture people.” Of course, it all depends on what the meaning of “torture” is. The whole point of these memos is to repeatedly recalibrate the definition so Mr. Bush can keep pleading innocent. By any legal standards except those rubber-stamped by Alberto Gonzales, we are practicing torture, and we have known we are doing so ever since photographic proof emerged from Abu Ghraib more than three years ago. As Andrew Sullivan, once a Bush cheerleader, observed last weekend in The Sunday Times of London, America’s “enhanced interrogation” techniques have a grotesque provenance: “Verschärfte Vernehmung, enhanced or intensified interrogation, was the exact term innovated by the Gestapo to describe what became known as the ‘third degree.’ Still, the drill remains the same. The administration gives its alibi (Abu Ghraib was just a few bad apples). A few members of Congress squawk. The debate is labeled “politics.” We turn the page. There has been scarcely more response to the similarly recurrent story of apparent war crimes committed by our contractors in Iraq. Call me cynical, but when Laura Bush spoke up last week about the human rights atrocities in Burma, it seemed less an act of selfless humanitarianism than another administration maneuver to change the subject from its own abuses. As Mrs. Bush spoke, two women, both Armenian Christians, were gunned down in Baghdad by contractors underwritten by American taxpayers. On this matter, the White House has been silent. That incident followed the Sept. 16 massacre in Baghdad’s Nisour Square, where 17 Iraqis were killed by security forces from Blackwater USA, which had already been implicated in nearly 200 other shooting incidents since 2005. There has been no accountability. The State Department, Blackwater’s sugar daddy for most of its billion dollars in contracts, won’t even share its investigative findings with the United States military and the Iraqi government, both of which have deemed the killings criminal. The gunmen who mowed down the two Christian women worked for a Dubai-based company managed by Australians, registered in Singapore and enlisted as a subcontractor by an American contractor headquartered in North Carolina. This is a plot out of “Syriana” by way of “Chinatown.” There will be no trial. We will never find out what happened. A new bill passed by the House to regulate contractor behavior will have little effect, even if it becomes law in its current form. We can continue to blame the Bush administration for the horrors of Iraq — and should. Paul Bremer, our post-invasion viceroy and the recipient of a Presidential Medal of Freedom for his efforts, issued the order that allows contractors to elude Iraqi law, a folly second only to his disbanding of the Iraqi Army. But we must also examine our own responsibility for the hideous acts committed in our name in a war where we have now fought longer than we did in the one that put Verschärfte Vernehmung on the map. I have always maintained that the American public was the least culpable of the players during the run-up to Iraq. The war was sold by a brilliant and fear-fueled White House propaganda campaign designed to stampede a nation still shellshocked by 9/11. Both Congress and the press — the powerful institutions that should have provided the checks, balances and due diligence of the administration’s case — failed to do their job. Had they done so, more Americans might have raised more objections. This perfect storm of democratic failure began at the top. As the war has dragged on, it is hard to give Americans en masse a pass. We are too slow to notice, let alone protest, the calamities that have followed the original sin. We first learned of the use of contractors as mercenaries when four Blackwater employees were strung up in Falluja in March 2004, just weeks before the first torture photos emerged from Abu Ghraib. We asked few questions. When reports surfaced early this summer that our contractors in Iraq (180,000, of whom some 48,000 are believed to be security personnel) now outnumber our postsurge troop strength, we yawned. Contractor casualties and contractor-inflicted casualties are kept off the books. It was always the White House’s plan to coax us into a blissful ignorance about the war. Part of this was achieved with the usual Bush-Cheney secretiveness, from the torture memos to the prohibition of photos of military coffins. But the administration also invited our passive complicity by requiring no shared sacrifice. A country that knows there’s no such thing as a free lunch was all too easily persuaded there could be a free war. Instead of taxing us for Iraq, the White House bought us off with tax cuts. Instead of mobilizing the needed troops, it kept a draft off the table by quietly purchasing its auxiliary army of contractors to finesse the overstretched military’s holes. With the war’s entire weight falling on a small voluntary force, amounting to less than 1 percent of the population, the rest of us were free to look the other way at whatever went down in Iraq. We ignored the contractor scandal to our own peril. Ever since Falluja this auxiliary army has been a leading indicator of every element of the war’s failure: not only our inadequate troop strength but also our alienation of Iraqi hearts and minds and our rampant outsourcing to contractors rife with Bush-Cheney cronies and campaign contributors.... Last week Paul Rieckhoff, an Iraq war combat veteran who directs Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, sketched for me the apocalypse to come. Should Baghdad implode, our contractors, not having to answer to the military chain of command, can simply “drop their guns and go home.” Vulnerable American troops could be deserted by those “who deliver their bullets and beans.” This potential scenario is just one example of why it’s in our national self-interest to attend to Iraq policy the White House counts on us to ignore. Our national character is on the line too. The extralegal contractors are both a slap at the sovereignty of...Iraq we supposedly support and an insult to those in uniform receiving as little as one-sixth the pay.... ... Even now, despite his repeated declaration that “America will not abandon the Iraqi people,” he (Bush) has yet to address or intervene decisively in the tragedy of four million-plus Iraqi refugees, a disproportionate number of them children. He feels no pressure from the American public to do so, but hey, he pays lip service to Darfur. Our moral trajectory over the Bush years could not be better dramatized than it was by a reunion of an elite group of two dozen World War II veterans in Washington this month. They were participants in a top-secret operation to interrogate some 4,000 Nazi prisoners of war. Until now, they have kept silent, but America’s recent record prompted them to talk to The Washington Post. “We got more information out of a German general with a game of chess or Ping-Pong than they do today, with their torture,” said Henry Kolm, 90, an M.I.T. physicist whose interrogation of Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s deputy, took place over a chessboard. George Frenkel, 87, recalled that he “never laid hands on anyone” in his many interrogations, adding, “I’m proud to say I never compromised my humanity.” Our humanity has been compromised by those who use Gestapo tactics in our war. The longer we stand idly by while they do so, the more we resemble those “good Germans” who professed ignorance of their own Gestapo. It’s up to us to wake up our somnambulant Congress to challenge administration policy every day. Let the war’s last supporters filibuster all night if they want to. There is nothing left to lose except whatever remains of our country’s good name.
20882 . jexster - 10/14/2007 2:34:20 PM
Worst Congress EVER! More GOP Congresspersons Voice Unease "Unease"= understatement
20883 . jexster - 10/14/2007 3:05:09 PM
I am an OpEd Columist So Can You Steven Colbert New York Times
20884 . arkymalarky - 10/14/2007 3:35:40 PM
I just love that man.
20885 . jexster - 10/14/2007 8:55:45 PM
Not nearly as snarky as Frank Rich but along the same lines Just Brainless, Mr. Bush Financial Times
20886 . jexster - 10/14/2007 10:34:02 PM
Damn ANOTHER House Republican retired TD!
20887 . Max Macks - 10/15/2007 4:55:16 PM
If I thought Bush and Cheney had made a mess in Iraq but could it get any worse then I saw something on the TV about the Embassy that is being built in Bagdad. How come there has not been more in the news about this stick in the eye of the Iraqi who still can get clean water and gasoline for their cars or medical treatment for the wounded ./ discusting seems to mild a word for this Embassy . unfuckingbelievable
20888 . arkymalarky - 10/15/2007 8:21:26 PM
Where can you get stats on polls this time last presidential election?
20889 . arkymalarky - 10/15/2007 8:33:12 PM
Nevermind. This is a good Alterman piece from Huffpost for some perspective and links to past polls: Alterman
20890 . jexster - 10/15/2007 9:07:30 PM
Well the uppity nigrah done done it Obama Just Says No to the Great Triangulator Oh my ears! The heresy! TPMElectionClinton shills are positively hyperventillating with hysteria
20891 . jexster - 10/16/2007 10:45:32 AM
Stop Her Before She Triangulates Again
20892 . Max Macks - 10/16/2007 1:39:24 PM
Great title jex Brunehilde the Bold
20893 . jexster - 10/16/2007 10:15:57 PM
Top 10 Reasons Hillary Could Tank
20894 . jexster - 10/17/2007 1:13:33 PM
Clinton/Giuliani - The War Hawks Juan Cole Salon
20895 . jexster - 10/17/2007 3:50:27 PM
Though he's not formally endorsing anyone, KOS supports either Dodd or Obama..in that order
20896 . jexster - 10/17/2007 10:16:23 PM
Worst President Ever Bush's approval at new low in Reuters: 24 percent
20897 . concerned - 10/18/2007 12:43:16 PM
Not as low as some Democrat presidents I can think off, like Cahtuh and Truman - the real worst presidents ever. Still more than twice the Worst Congress Ever's approval rating, too.
20898 . concerned - 10/18/2007 12:44:26 PM
Air America Fails to Pull Off Tawana Brawley Lite Hoax
20899 . jexster - 10/18/2007 12:53:03 PM
Only president lower was NIXON at 23% I have pointed this out before with graphs and tables...three times is enuf
20900 . jexster - 10/18/2007 12:53:46 PM
20897 How many GOP congresspersons announced their retirement this week?
20901 . jexster - 10/18/2007 1:02:28 PM
Out of the corn fields, the Stealth Campaign is SURGING! Republicans: Romney 27% Giuliani 13% Huckabee 12% Thompson 10% McCain 5%
20902 . jexster - 10/18/2007 4:31:43 PM
Guess He Didn't Think Much of Concerned's Memo Hastert to Leave House Before End of Term TD- Did you remember to include the Kool-Aid - "Worst Congress Ever"flavor?
20903 . jexster - 10/18/2007 4:40:11 PM
Spineocrat A Spinal Growth Supplement for Democrat
20904 . jexster - 10/18/2007 8:57:12 PM
In the Worst Congress Ever House Republicans Attack Dems from "the Fetal Position" The Politico I am going to do a partial birth abortion on concerned
20905 . jexster - 10/18/2007 9:42:19 PM
This just in... 2008 Election Canceled Penn says Clinton already beat Giuliani Clinton's chief strategist says that Clinton can beat Giuliani—and that, in fact, she already has.
20906 . wonkers2 - 10/19/2007 12:34:40 PM
Master Liquidity Enhancement Conduit
20907 . wonkers2 - 10/19/2007 12:37:48 PM
Are U.S. Taxes Too High?
20908 . wonkers2 - 10/19/2007 1:23:33 PM
The Clinton Surprise Deal with it Jexter!
20909 . judithathome - 10/19/2007 1:29:20 PM
The “we” world of Tucker Carlson knew what they knew about Hillary Clinton — right up until about this week, I think — because they spend an awful lot of time talking to, socializing with and interviewing one another. What they don’t do all that much is venture outside of a certain set of zip codes to get a feel for the way most people are actually living. They don’t sign up for adjustable rate mortgages, visit emergency rooms to get their primary health care, leave their children in unlicensed day care or lose their jobs because they have to drive their mothers home from the hospital after hip replacement surgery. Hillary Clinton’s supporters, it turns out, do. I've been saying this all along...the Republicans saw Hillary as their dream candidate because they were convinced she could never win...they salivated at the idea of the stupid Democrats making her the nominee...they hungered for it! And you know what they are going to have to do now? They are going to have to get used to addressing Hilary as Madam President.
20910 . wonkers2 - 10/19/2007 1:41:23 PM
Got that, Jexter?
20911 . jexster - 10/19/2007 2:11:06 PM
Smell that smell Wonk? The Clinton Stench is Back
Here’s an example of the sort of thing that makes you wonder: yesterday ABC News reported on its Web site that the Clinton campaign is holding a “Rural Americans for Hillary” lunch and campaign briefing — at the offices of the Troutman Sanders Public Affairs Group, which lobbies for the agribusiness and biotech giant Monsanto. You don’t have to be a Naderite to feel uncomfortable about the implied closeness. I’d put it this way: many progressives, myself included, hope that the next president will be another F.D.R. But we worry that he or she will turn out to be another Grover Cleveland instead — better-intentioned and much more competent than the current occupant of the White House, but too dependent on lobbyists’ money to seriously confront the excesses of our new Gilded Age. Krugman Sorry wonk..the Clinton Bums Rush works only well...on bums20912 . jexster - 10/19/2007 2:15:06 PM
The Clinton Experience
1. Sponsor Great Health Care Debacle 1993 2. Co-Sponsor Greatest Strategic Disaster in US History 2002-2006 3. Madam, Lincoln Bedroom 1993-2001 An unlikely treasure-trove of donors for Clinton Los Angeles Times The candidate's unparalleled fundraising success relies largely on the least-affluent residents of New York's Chinatown -- some of whom can't be tracked down. >> She'll do it without my vote Got that Wonk?20913 . jexster - 10/19/2007 2:16:25 PM
Hillary's hoping the Clinton Surprise lasts longer than Wonk's Imus boycott The Left Wing of the Booboisie
20914 . jexster - 10/19/2007 2:25:07 PM
Mrs. Bill Rakes in Cash from Arms Industry Villary's entire inevitability campaign depends on Democratic hunger for shadenfreude but as Obama so trenchantly puts it, she offers nothing of substance - just more of the same, more or less competently done as Krugman also says. If the Dems can get over their obsession with Comeback Kid III, then we can really kick ass and change this country. If not, the GOP will have the answer to their prayers and their best, if forlorn, hope to save their sorry asses
20915 . arkymalarky - 10/19/2007 2:50:00 PM
I still believe it's very likely if she's nominated she'll lose. People will come out to vote against her. Look at her donors. And if Huckabee does get the nomination he has a good chance of winning a general election against her, and then we will see what political manipulation of one party over the nominee of the other gets us all (Watergate without the illegalities). It won't be pretty. I think they ought to go back to making you vote in your own party's primary.
20916 . arkymalarky - 10/19/2007 3:00:56 PM
WRT political parties, Congress is more interesting. The presidential manipulation is going to end up with a sucky president either way, if it works. I won't assume it's working at least until after Iowa. I won't give it success until after February. At that point I'm simply along for the ride like the rest of America if she's the nominee, no matter who the Republican is. But I will say this: Democrats who consider themselves educated and competent to select a good leader had better inform themselves in more detail than they're used to, with both past and present information, or assume responsibility for the results of willful ignorance. "Follow the money." Like I said in another context way back, "I told you so" is one of my favorite phrases when it applies--it's the only consolation prize for losing, and it takes a while to cash it in at times. If I'm wrong, great. People can use it right back.
20917 . jexster - 10/19/2007 3:01:54 PM
You gotta set Judith straight Arky. I'll take care of Wonkers...you can bet the cat in concerned's ass on that
20918 . arkymalarky - 10/19/2007 3:02:58 PM
Judith knows--she's saying that if the Republican strategy works Hillary could very well end up president, which is very true.
20919 . jexster - 10/19/2007 3:03:48 PM
There's a better than 50-50 chance that if Hillary is the nominee I will not vote the Pres election ..first time in 36 years that I haven't voted Democratic I'll try to hold my nose but the stench is just too much
20920 . jexster - 10/19/2007 3:04:51 PM
OK then I misunderestimated. Wonk's question threw me off but that's ok....I'll take care of that nappy headed ho
20921 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/19/2007 3:05:41 PM
There's always drugs . . .
20922 . arkymalarky - 10/19/2007 3:08:14 PM
I'll try to hold my nose but the stench is just too much (pat pat pat ) I know, I know, but you gotta. Especially if Huckabee is the Republican nominee.
20923 . arkymalarky - 10/19/2007 3:19:24 PM
From TPM on the FISA bill: Earlier today Chris Dodd said he'd put a hold on the bill, raising questions about where the other Senator-candidates would come down on this. We now have Obama's answer -- against. No statement yet from Hillary on this.
20924 . jexster - 10/19/2007 3:32:50 PM
If the Man from Hope wins all bets are off! I heart him and word up that he's running a stealth campaign throughout flyover country.. The Huck is a dark horse favorite and mine...on those days I am not a Fred Head
20925 . jexster - 10/19/2007 3:34:57 PM
How do you think I survived Nixon Wiz?
20926 . jexster - 10/19/2007 4:31:57 PM
The Man from Hope The first thing you notice about Mike Huckabee is that he has a Mayberry name and a Jim Nabors face. But it’s quickly clear that Huckabee is as good a campaigner as anybody running for president this year. And before too long it becomes easy to come up with reasons why he might have a realistic shot at winning the Republican nomination David Brooks
20927 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/19/2007 4:36:45 PM
0925. jexster - 10/19/2007 3:34:57 PM How do you think I survived Nixon Wiz?
20928 . judithathome - 10/19/2007 6:10:01 PM
Jex, I will lose every shred of respect I have for you if you vote for a feebe like Huckabee...that guy is a weasel.
20929 . wonkers2 - 10/19/2007 6:15:29 PM
Me too!
20930 . jexster - 10/19/2007 6:57:52 PM
I would NEVER vote for a Republican. I just won't vote. Though Hucks is tempting....specially compared to the Vile Miss Shrill How could anyone stand that voice for four years
20931 . wonkers2 - 10/19/2007 7:01:49 PM
For Jexter
20932 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/19/2007 7:10:45 PM
[Hoping this makes arky's day . . . ]
20933 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/19/2007 7:10:59 PM
[Hoping this makes arky's day . . . ]
20934 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/19/2007 7:11:49 PM
[hiccup!]
20935 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/19/2007 7:12:03 PM
[hiccup!]
20936 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/19/2007 7:12:15 PM
?????
20937 . jexster - 10/19/2007 7:20:19 PM
You Yankees jus luv funnin on Southerners right Arky? That's real leadership ability there Wonk...sheesh what a scam she am...haven't we had enough fakery
20938 . arkymalarky - 10/19/2007 10:54:20 PM
HAHAHA!! It certainly does, Wiz!! I'm going to print it and put it on my fridge with the magnet Bro gave me with a picture of Bush: "Like a rock. Only dumber."
20939 . arkymalarky - 10/19/2007 10:56:33 PM
Jexthro--fits perfectly.
20940 . Max Macks - 10/20/2007 2:00:45 PM
I dont think Hillary can get elected even when it would seem that ANY Dem would win. Will the Dems loose again as they did with Kerry , and Gore and Dukakis
20941 . judithathome - 10/20/2007 3:46:27 PM
Hide and watch, Max...hide and watch!
20942 . jexster - 10/20/2007 10:52:00 PM
Fred was a HUGE disappointment and I was depressed for a time. But life goes on, and so there came the Man from Hope!!!
Here’s what it says. It says that you have social conservatives that are ready to embrace {Hucks} and he’s ready to embrace them. That speech he made on Saturday was electric. I was there. I saw the crowd. They ate it up. See more on Huckabee's speech here. But let’s call a spade a spade. You have Evangelical leaders that are reluctant to back him because he’s having a hard time raising money and putting what they see as a top notch organization in place. He needs their support. He’s going to have to earn it. If social conservatives really want Huckabee so bad, then they'll need to put their money where their mouths are. Hillary Central The First played the sax 20943 . jexster - 10/21/2007 12:39:33 PM
Marketing Mrs. Bill
When Bill explains why Hillary should be president, his subtext is clear: We owe it to her for all she put up with from me. Cougars, Archers, Snipers By MAUREEN DOWD 20944 . jexster - 10/21/2007 12:59:16 PM
The pollster is so used to dicing data into bite-sized pieces that the big picture may have eluded him: History shows that leaders’ personalities and policies are inextricably, and sometimes tragically, entwined. L.B.J.’s DNA led to Vietnam as Nixon’s led to Watergate as Reagan’s led to Iran-contra as Bill’s led to Monica as Hillary’s led to her health care fiasco as W.’s led to the Iraq imbroglio. Bill Clinton elevated his neuroses into a management style, running a chaotic White House that took its tempo from his adolescent indulgences and from his volatile marriage. The West Wing weather was determined by the Clintons’ strange emotional and political co-dependence. In her acid flashback of a new book, “For Love of Politics,” Sally Bedell Smith describes how First Lady Hillary routinely unmanned Bill and his aides, and engaged in sharp spurts of temper that sparked his temper. “Hillary’s anger was bound up in the intricacies of her marital bargain, which engendered rivalry and resentment along with mutual dependence,” Ms. Smith writes. Political power was her reward for his marital infidelity. When Bill explains why Hillary should be president, his subtext is clear: We owe it to her for all she put up with from me. At the breakfast, a reporter asked Mr. Penn if the campaign has polled to figure out how to proceed if Bill’s personal foibles once more take Hillaryland hostage. The pollster who believes that data trumps DNA brushed off the question, complimenting the former president as “a tremendous asset.” But if you think that Hillary doesn’t have connubial contingency plans in place, you’re disregarding his DNA — and hers.
20945 . jexster - 10/21/2007 8:33:54 PM
Rudy eats Temple Thong Hours later, however, when the votes in a straw poll were counted, Giuliani had received less than 2 percent. The clear preference of those in attendance at the Values Voter Summit was former Arkansas Gov. (and ordained Baptist minister) Mike Huckabee, who finished second overall but a strong first among those casting their votes on-site. Giuliani, meanwhile, finished second in a diferent tally. He trailed only Hillary Clinton among contenders of both parties as the "least acceptable" candidate. Salon
20946 . jexster - 10/21/2007 9:04:46 PM
20947 . arkymalarky - 10/21/2007 10:04:44 PM
Jex, if you don't put a sock in it wrt the Huckabee stuff I'm going to start plastering Hillary pictures all over this thread--yes, I would punish myself that much to counter a Huckabee media dump.
20948 . arkymalarky - 10/21/2007 10:15:11 PM
20949 . wonkers2 - 10/22/2007 9:40:27 AM
Nice teeth!
20950 . jexster - 10/22/2007 10:28:04 AM
I'd rather listen to Huckabee for four years than Shrillary that's for sure. Like fingernails on a blackboard
20951 . alistairconnor - 10/22/2007 10:54:13 AM
OK Jex, what's the story on this Jindal dude? I sense you're about as keen to talk about him as I am about Sarko...
20952 . jexster - 10/22/2007 11:31:59 AM
Bush Ties Record Low Of 25% In New Poll By Greg Sargent - October 22, 2007, 10:26AM Yet another poll finds that only a quarter of the electorate approves of the job Bush is doing as President. The new American Research Group survey finds Bush's approval rating at 25% -- matching his low point in ARG polling. Bush's numbers are also sagging (relatively, at least) among Republicans. His approval among GOPers has dropped to 67%, down from 80% last month
20953 . judithathome - 10/22/2007 12:25:07 PM
His approval among GOPers has dropped to 67%, down from 80% last month It's staggering enough that 67% approve of him now but it's gobsmackingly astounding that 80% approved of him prior to this! I rub elbows with people who think like this! I need to start watching my back...no telling what these loons might do.
20954 . jexster - 10/22/2007 1:48:47 PM
Jindal's a smart, probably honest, but exceedingly goofy looking obsequious, groveling low life Macacan Another humiliation for Louisiana and just when I was so proud of the National Noose Movement!
20955 . jexster - 10/22/2007 4:18:21 PM
THIS Republican is even funnier! President Bush makes a statement about the $46 Billion Iraq War Supplemental, Monday, Oct. 22, 2007, in the Roosevelt Room in the White House in Washington.
20956 . jexster - 10/22/2007 4:26:01 PM
What if Huckabee Wins Iowa?
20957 . arkymalarky - 10/22/2007 6:10:52 PM
I saw that. It's very possible. I'm not making any assumptions about anything until after Iowa, at least. I posted this in NYT in response to Hillary being the main subject of last night's GOP debate--I just couldn't resist: Focusing on Hillary serves three purposes for Republicans. They promote the candidate they most want Democrats to nominate while building up the interest of their base, and they avoid scrutiny and having to defend the current administration. So far it's working like a charm with the media, and of course Hillary's loving it as well. If it doesn't work in the actual primaries, and a less polarizing and more popular Democrat is nominated, it will be interesting to see whether there's a contingency plan on the part of the Republicans. It's the same strategy Republican operatives have used successfully since Watergate, and Democrats fall for it pretty consistently. Frankly, I think many corporate Republicans would be okay with Hillary as president, so it's a win/win for them if she's nominated.
20958 . jexster - 10/22/2007 6:11:46 PM
The idea that Hillary Clinton's qualified because of her WH internship is ridiculous Rudy
20959 . jexster - 10/22/2007 6:14:26 PM
Sorry..that was Smit, Disciple of the Angel Moroni
That skill, that experience is essential. Hillary Clinton wants to run the largest enterprise in the world, the government of the United States. It employs millions of people, trillions of dollars in revenue. ROMNEY: She hasn't run a corner store. She hasn't run a state. She hasn't run a city. She has never run anything. And the idea that she could learn to be president, you know, as an internship just doesn't make any sense. 20960 . jexster - 10/22/2007 10:35:36 PM
There's nothing funny about a president Hillary Clinton The Man from Hope 20961 . concerned - 10/23/2007 12:42:46 AM
Re. 20952 - jexster admits that the polls he cites underrepresent Republicans. Example: If Republicans give GWB a 67% approval rating, and Democrats give him a 10% rating, with approximate parity, GWB's overall approval rating would be 38-39%. For GWB to show a 25% approval rating, twice as many Democrats as Republicans would have to be polled, a far cry from the approximately 50/50 split among the general population.
20962 . concerned - 10/23/2007 12:49:26 AM
I rub elbows with people who think like this! I need to start watching my back...no telling what these loons might do. Considering that you probably make Madeline Albright look like Angelina Jolie, I wouldn't be too concerned unless you verbally assault strangers in public.
20963 . alistairConnor - 10/23/2007 3:52:36 AM
Con, I think you've picked the wrong argument. You should be saying : the figures for Republicans are statistically unreliable, because the number of people prepared to admit to being Republicans is so small. Judith : Remember to disinfect your elbows.
20964 . jexster - 10/23/2007 11:28:23 AM
That's two polls in as many weeks at the same number
20965 . jexster - 10/23/2007 11:31:03 AM
Last June the New York Review of Books published an essay entitled Bush's Amazing Achievement, in which Jonathan Freedland discussed books by Chalmers Johnson, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Dennis Ross:
One of the few foreign policy achievements of the Bush administration has been the creation of a near consensus among those who study international affairs, a shared view that stretches, however improbably, from Noam Chomsky to Brent Scowcroft, from the antiwar protesters on the streets of San Francisco to the well-upholstered office of former secretary of state James Baker. This new consensus holds that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a calamity, that the presidency of George W. Bush has reduced America's standing in the world and made the United States less, not more, secure, leaving its enemies emboldened and its friends alienated. Paid-up members of the nation's foreign policy establishment, those who have held some of the most senior offices in the land, speak in a language once confined to the T-shirts of placard-wielding demonstrators. They rail against deception and dishonesty, imperialism and corruption. The only dispute between them is over the size and depth of the hole into which Bush has led the country he pledged to serve. Harpers 20966 . jexster - 10/23/2007 11:34:26 AM
First of all there isn't a 50/50 split. Most polls now show something like 30% Republican and 70% Demo or independent Soorry TD Try again
20967 . jexster - 10/23/2007 11:45:47 AM
Gallup 2007
An average of all national Gallup polling in 2006, consisting of interviews with more than 30,000 adult Americans, finds 34% of Americans identifying as Democrats, 30% as Republicans, and 34% as independents. The parties had been relatively even in terms of national strength since 2001. The most recent figures represent the largest Democratic advantage since the Clinton presidency.(...) The increasing Democratic advantage is mainly due to declining Republican identification, rather than increasing Democratic identification. From 2004-2006, Republican identification declined from 34% to 30%, while Democratic identification increased by less than a percentage point (33.6% to 34.3%). During the last three years, the percentage of Americans identifying as independents increased from 31% to 34%. The Democrats' advantage expands when taking into account the "leanings" of independents. In 2006, 50% of Americans identified as Democrats or were independents who said they leaned toward the Democratic Party. Forty percent identified as Republicans or leaned to the Republican Party. That 10-point advantage more than doubled the Democrats' 4-point advantage in 2005, and is the largest gap Gallup has measured in any year for either party since it regularly began tracking leaned party identification in 1991. This is the first time since 1991 that a party's support reached the 50% level. 20968 . jexster - 10/23/2007 12:51:30 PM
Happy IslamoFascist Awareness Week TD!!
20969 . jexster - 10/23/2007 1:06:45 PM
My alma mater Tulane gets ANNE COULTER! Islamofascism Awareness week at SF State presented by * Brian Sussman – 24th, 12pm, Jack Adams Hall Former KPIX 5 Weatherman
20970 . jexster - 10/23/2007 1:14:24 PM
Worst Congress Ever Set for Improvement
Davis Packing It In Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) is apparently pulling out of the Virginia senate contest. That leaves embarrassingly failed presidential candidate and former Gov. Jim Gilmore as the probable Republican challenger. And unless I'm missing something that comes close to guaranteeing Sen. Warner (D). --Josh Marshall 20971 . Magoseph - 10/23/2007 2:58:29 PM
Candidate Hillary: the GOP's dream A campaign against Sen. Clinton may give Republicans the best shot at running as the party of change. Jonah Goldberg October 23, 2007 The most interesting thing to come out of the umpteenth Republican debate Sunday is confirmation that the GOP is dying to run against Hillary Clinton. Like Don Rickles flaying a heckler, each candidate whacked at Clinton as if she were a pants-suited piñata. When they were done with their one-liners, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee deadpanned: "Look, I like to be funny. There's nothing funny about Hillary Clinton being president." No, but there's something deeply advantageous about having her as an opponent. So far, the commentary about the Republican offensive against Hillary has focused mostly on how it reflects poorly on the GOP (those Clinton-hating wing nuts are at it again!). What's not been fully grasped is how Hillary gives the GOP its best chance at being the party of change. Newt Gingrich, for one, has been pointing this out for months, using the electoral triumph of Nicolas Sarkozy in France last spring as an example. A Cabinet minister for the unpopular Jacques Chirac, who'd served in office for a biblically long term of 12 years, Sarkozy ran against his own incumbent party's complaisance as well as his Socialist opponent, Segolene Royal, arguing that she merely represented a return to a failed past and "more of the same." America -- obviously -- isn't France, but Democrats may be misreading America nonetheless. It seems incandescently clear that voters want a change, and, up to now, change meant little more than Democratic victory and no more President Bush. But Democrats got a significant victory in 2006, when they took control of both houses of Congress. And now Congress is even less popular than Bush. In other words, the clamor for change in Washington is much bigger than Bush. Besides, Bush is leaving no matter what. And unlike every other election since the 1920s, there's no White House-approved candidate in the race. Any Republican will start with 40% to 45% of the vote in his pocket once he gets the nomination. The question that remains is whether the critical 5% to 10% of swing voters will think Hillary Clinton represents the sort of change they want. What most independents and swing voters want is an end to the acrimony and bitterness in Washington -- and a candidate they like. Whether that's right or not is irrelevant. That's what they want. Which Democratic candidate would be most likely to give those voters what they want? Not Hillary, it's safe to say. Right now, during the primaries, she can get away with boasting about her tenure in the Clinton administration. Party activists are drunk with Clinton nostalgia. On the stump in Iowa, Bill Clinton responded to the claim that Hillary was "yesterday's news" by saying, yeah, but "yesterday's news was pretty good." In the general election, audiences will remember Whitewater, travelgate, illegal fundraising, bimbo eruptions and impeachment. If they don't, you can be sure Republicans will remind them. Fair or not, the Republicans' intense dislike of Hillary will underscore the idea that a vote for her is a vote for more of the same rancor. Hence the irony of the Clinton candidacy. Liberal activists keep saying that they want a candidate who is pure, who speaks from the heart and refuses to "triangulate" on core principles the way Bill Clinton did. But Hillary Clinton is Clintonian in more than just name. On national security in particular, she has been alternating between reflexive anti-Bushism to bouts of outright hawkishness on Iran. Desperate to win, Democrats have been willing to overlook that -- so far. But such shifting costs her credibility and passion. It's all deeply reminiscent of how John Kerry wound up as the nominee in 2004. Once Howard Dean, the conviction candidate, experienced the political equivalent of spontaneous human combustion, Democrats immediately cast about not for another principled politician but one they deemed electable. Bizarrely, they settled on the left-wing senator from Massachusetts who synthesized Ted Kennedy's politics with Michael Dukakis' charisma while bragging about his service in a war he built a career denouncing. If Democrats could get out of their bubble, it might dawn on them that virtually all of their other candidates are better positioned to run as champions of change. Hillary Clinton has shrewdly tried to trim the differences between her and the competition by claiming that any of them would be better than George W. Bush. From a liberal perspective, that's obviously true. But that perspective won't necessarily dominate come next fall, particularly if conditions in Iraq continue to improve. Is it really so obvious that, say, Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney represent "change" less than the ultimate Clinton retread, complete with Bill as "first gentleman?" That's how Democrats are betting right now, and they may be bitterly disappointed -- again -- when it comes time to collect. jgoldberg@latimescolumnists.com
20972 . jexster - 10/23/2007 3:46:13 PM
We hate her
20973 . jexster - 10/23/2007 3:46:39 PM
Not you Mago....check your msg at the Cafe
20974 . Magoseph - 10/23/2007 5:21:52 PM
I did--Thanks, now check mine!
20975 . jexster - 10/23/2007 5:30:40 PM
Kentucky Going Blue Poll: Fletcher Down By 20, With Two Weeks To Go By Eric Kleefeld - October 23, 2007, 12:46PM With only two weeks to go until Election Day in Kentucky, a new SurveyUSA poll shows Governor Ernie Fletcher (R) on his way to a landslide defeat. Democratic candidate Steve Beshear is ahead of Fletcher by a 58%-38% margin. This is statistically unchanged from a SurveyUSA poll two weeks ago, which had Beshear ahead 56%-40%. The incumbent has been consistently unable to exceed 40% in the polls since the May primary.
20976 . jexster - 10/23/2007 7:16:02 PM
Worst President in History The Army Bush Destroyed Wants Answers FORT SILL, Okla. - Army captains who represent the military's future pelted the new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff with blunt questions Tuesday about the strain of long Iraq deployments. They also asked about recruiting pressures that could leave them supervising more soldiers with discipline problems. At times technical and other times very personal, the officers reflected the worries of a military struggling to fight two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without exhausting troops, alienating their families or driving soldiers away. Shit out of luck soldiers
20977 . wonkers2 - 10/23/2007 8:49:59 PM
The Corporate Welfare Congress
20978 . wonkers2 - 10/24/2007 11:46:57 AM
John Edwards
20979 . wonkers2 - 10/24/2007 11:49:48 AM
A Message from Carl Levin
20980 . jexster - 10/24/2007 12:17:45 PM
What a weenie BushWars Could Cost 2.4 Trillion - CBO
20981 . jexster - 10/24/2007 12:18:46 PM
But the new picture's an improvement Wonk. Geaux!
20982 . jexster - 10/24/2007 3:03:52 PM
Huckabee - Strongest GOP Candidate KOS Interview
20983 . wonkers2 - 10/24/2007 8:49:08 PM
Maureen bites Dick's balls
20984 . jexster - 10/24/2007 9:09:13 PM
He may not be able to persuade Congress so easily anymore - except for Hillary - to issue warlike resolutions.
20985 . wonkers2 - 10/24/2007 9:16:47 PM
He was crazy even before the heart attacks and strokes. Now only a few neocons take him seriously.
20986 . wonkers2 - 10/25/2007 10:12:52 AM
Is Rudy a neocon?
20987 . jexster - 10/25/2007 11:38:53 AM
Time to Hug it Out America!!! DES MOINES, Iowa - Mike Huckabee, who strums a bass guitar and cracks jokes at campaign stops, is quietly establishing himself with Iowa voters as a serious candidate for the Republican presidential nomination. "I think he's the sleeper candidate this year," said Steve Roberts, a Des Moines lawyer who sits on the Republican National Committee. "He makes a very positive impression in his public appearances and in the debates."
20988 . jexster - 10/25/2007 2:03:33 PM
Cheney's Treason, Iran and Napoleon Juan Cole on Amy Goodman's Democracy Now - PT 1
20989 . jexster - 10/25/2007 2:26:35 PM
Turkduquen
One would question why America has come to Iraq from thousands of miles away. We have a disturbance. What kind of disturbance did the United States have with Iraq? Right now, the United States, as our strategic ally, is in a position to act along with us. We acted along with them in Afghanistan. Recep Tayyip Erdogan One would, wouldn't one?20990 . Max Macks - 10/25/2007 3:22:36 PM
Did anyone see that short clip on the Lehr News hour when Cunni Rice was testifiy about something and a code pink woman with "blood" on her hands got in from of Rice and said you have blood on your hands from Iraq.?>? I hope someone recorded that and that it can be see on U tube or whatever those videos are called. What a collection , Cheney , Rumsfeld, and Rice! barf
20991 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/25/2007 5:30:15 PM
I didn't realize how many people were bodily thrown out during that protest . . .
20992 . jexster - 10/25/2007 5:50:19 PM
Dems: Cunnilingus Rice is a Nappy Headed Ho
20993 . wonkers2 - 10/26/2007 12:31:10 PM
"World War IV"?
20994 . jexster - 10/26/2007 1:13:01 PM
Ms. Bill's Bums Rush
Granted, there is a prophet-in-the-wilderness futility built into any effort to rail against the national polls. Virtually everyone connected with politics has a vested interest in hyping their significance. The leading co-conspirators include the front-running campaigns (who love the whiff of victory), political reporters (who crave "objective" data), major media organizations (which ballyhoo their own polls), and political junkies (who pepper their e-mails with overwrought analyses of why some candidate dropped 2 percent in the latest Rasmussen survey). It is easy to dismiss all of this poll-position prattle as a harmless way to while away the days until somebody, somewhere, actually caucuses or votes. But national polls also punish candidates whose strength is in the early states (like John Edwards, Mitt Romney and up-and-coming Mike Huckabee) and contenders who have just not broken through to a cross-country audience. By guiding the press coverage and heavily influencing political donors, these national polls have the capacity to become self-fulfilling prophesies. Walter Shapiro,Salon 20995 . jexster - 10/26/2007 1:13:55 PM
This just in Obama Slashes Clinton Lead in Half in Less Than a Week! (Fox News Poll)
20996 . jexster - 10/26/2007 3:13:16 PM
20993 I hear Cheney fell asleep during a cabinet meeting on the SoCali wildfires Guess he has bigger fish to fry..like covering the tracks of his treason War with Iran would be, in the best case, disastrous. The Road to War, Part II With new unilateral U.S. sanctions announced Thursday, America and Iran may now be headed for unavoidable hostilities. By Michael Hirsh Newsweek Web Exclusive
20997 . arkymalarky - 10/26/2007 6:28:51 PM
With new unilateral U.S. sanctions announced Thursday, America and Iran may now be headed for unavoidable hostilities. As soon as that resolution was passed Bush/Cheney ramped up wrt Iran. If Hillary doesn't lose the primaries in that eventuality the Dems are hopelessly stupid. I read a good article in Real Clear Politics about national polls as well. I need some confirmation of your post other than Fox, Jex. Sounds too good to be true.
20998 . jexster - 10/26/2007 6:39:00 PM
It's all BS Ark...which was my point! TPM Election Central has all the polls..that's where I got it
20999 . arkymalarky - 10/26/2007 7:28:09 PM
When is
21000 . arkymalarky - 10/26/2007 7:28:24 PM
Super Tuesday?
21001 . arkymalarky - 10/26/2007 7:32:18 PM
Nevermind.
21002 . jexster - 10/26/2007 7:38:06 PM
Apples to apples, Fox to Fox Obama cut Hillary's lead 17% in 14 days. I was using Fox to LAT just to be facetious You wouldn't know it from listening to MSNBC and I never listen to Fox ..so here's KOS The damned thing is though, the more Bush fucks up (esp if he tries the Mutha of All FuckUps in Iran), the better it may be for Hillary. Perversely, I hear more and more from fence sitters "Well Hillary couldn't be as bad as what we have now"
21003 . jexster - 10/26/2007 9:01:17 PM
The Way of the Whigs? Death Wish: GOPigpile in Grips of Inquisition Ron Brownstein
21004 . arkymalarky - 10/26/2007 10:38:52 PM
fence sitters "Well Hillary couldn't be as bad as what we have now" I'm hearing it too, from my dad and daughter no less, and what a dumb shit reason to vote somebody as the nominee.
21005 . arkymalarky - 10/26/2007 10:41:11 PM
People are too chicken to vote on principle, when it comes down to it, so GOP propaganda scares them into voting for their weakest nominees every time because they don't have the courage to go for someone more true to their own values. Of course this year the GOP is stuck in the same situation, but Dems aren't (fill in your own adjective) enough to play the same game with them.
21006 . jexster - 10/27/2007 12:46:29 PM
To me it isn't a question of principle. It is an objective question of a failed political system. The NeoCon who came in from the cold... America's Self-defeating Hegemony Francis Fukyama
21007 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/27/2007 1:30:02 PM
The system is failing because it's been corrupted by greedy and ruthless gangsters--most Americans ignore their civic responsibilities with pleasurable distractions that are sold to them by greedy and ruthless corporations. It's a visious cycle that promotes hegemony and destroys civilization. Our kids (and their children) will have to pay the bill. My nieces and nephews, thier spouses and children are all oblivious to the real workings of our corrupted government--and if you say anything to them they roll their eyes. Here's a fixed bad link . . . to jexster's article.
21008 . jexster - 10/27/2007 2:23:13 PM
Thanks Wiz! Hillary's at it again on IraN. Tim Russert and Andrea Mitchell laid her low today on MSNBC. She's done exactly what she did in 2002
21009 . jexster - 10/27/2007 2:24:50 PM
We'd see this every night during Vietnam..This is what an airstrike looks like Petraeus Throws Out the Book, Launches Airstrikes That guy's a total piece of shit. Just like the man who hired him
21010 . jexster - 10/27/2007 2:58:37 PM
Haven't been waiting for this for two months have I? COLUMBUS, Ohio, Oct. 27 — Senator Barack Obama said he would start confronting Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton more directly and forcefully, saying Friday that she had not been candid in describing her views on critical policy issues, as he tries to address mounting alarm among supporters that his lack of assertiveness so far has allowed her to dominate the presidential race. Time to Call the Bitch a Bitch
21011 . jexster - 10/27/2007 3:12:22 PM
Worst Congress Ever Rasmussen (Concerned? probably oversampled Democrats)
21012 . wonkers2 - 10/27/2007 4:10:54 PM
Interesting! Hope the Dems don't find away to throw away their opportunity.
21013 . jexster - 10/27/2007 9:08:02 PM
The Des Moines Register says his "campaign is on a roll" and he is "rocking out" Arky
21014 . arkymalarky - 10/27/2007 10:05:49 PM
Huckabee or Obama?
21015 . jexster - 10/27/2007 10:19:50 PM
Great article in the NYT magazine. Seems War opposition is growing where you least expect it. The Evangelical Crack Up There is a God after all. Even in Wichita mega churches
21016 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/28/2007 1:00:16 AM
21017 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/28/2007 1:26:10 PM
21018 . jexster - 10/28/2007 1:50:38 PM
21014 And his website announces that he's finally raising money...850,000 since October 1 Course Obama ran a special appeal against that Lieberman Lickin Bitch featured in Wizzer's wet dreams a week or so ago Raised 2.1 million in about 10 days on line
21019 . jexster - 10/28/2007 1:58:39 PM
Speaking of Ms Bill, seems that Cat Joe Mentum's got her triangluated tongue. Can't see to say the words "Palestinian State"
21020 . jexster - 10/28/2007 2:06:52 PM
Manly Man Seen as Potential 2008 Veep Nominee I think he's more valuable in the Senate than presiding over it and am not entirely comfortable with all the bad karma of talk about hatched chickens a year early..knock wood...still he might be able to check Villary's vile connections to the Jizzrael Lobby and Lieberman Amen corner in check Probably do a better job of that in the Senate tho What do you think Wiz? Hillary seems to have quite a taste for Mentum's Kosher meat
21021 . jexster - 10/28/2007 2:07:34 PM
Manly Man 2008 I think he's more valuable in the Senate than presiding over it and am not entirely comfortable with all the bad karma of talk about hatched chickens a year early..knock wood...still he might be able to check Villary's vile connections to the Jizzrael Lobby and Lieberman Amen corner in check Probably do a better job of that in the Senate tho What do you think Wiz? Hillary seems to have quite a taste for Mentum's Kosher meat
21022 . jexster - 10/28/2007 2:13:43 PM
How much money did she raise for Mentum on that bus tour of the Nutmeg State back in '06?
21023 . jexster - 10/28/2007 4:24:37 PM
Deja Vu all over agin Hillary votes for the Lieberman-Kyl Iran War amendment claiming she just wants Bush to engage in diplomacy No Evidence of Iran Making Nukes - El Baradei Learn from Her Experience
in the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, .. President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible. And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue ... So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed. Thank you, Mr. President. 21024 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/28/2007 5:33:32 PM
I'm getting fed up with Hillary and The Wizard may start to apply his trade on her duplicitous fat ass if she continues.
21025 . jexster - 10/28/2007 7:02:40 PM
Come with me to the Dark Side!! Huckabee told me that he welcomed a broadening of the evangelical political agenda. “You can’t just say ‘respect life’ exclusively in the gestation period,” he said, repeating a campaign theme. But the leaders of the Christian conservative movement have not rallied to him. Many say he cannot win because he has not raised enough money. Perkins and others have criticized Huckabee for taking too soft an approach to the Middle East. Others worry that his record on taxes will anger allies on the right. And some Christian conservatives take his “gestation period” line as a slight to their movement. “They finally have the soldier they have been waiting for, and they shouldn’t send me out into the battlefield without supplies,” Huckabee told me in exasperation. He argued that the movement’s leaders would “become irrelevant” if they started putting political viability or low taxes ahead of their principles about abortion and marriage. “In biblical terms, it is like the salt losing its flavor; it’s sand,” Huckabee said. “Some of them have spent too long in Washington. . . . I think they are going to have a hard time going out into the pews and saying tax policy is what Jesus is about, that he said, ‘Come unto me all you who are overtaxed and I will give you rest.’ ”
21026 . wonkers2 - 10/29/2007 12:42:54 PM
Straws in the Wind
21027 . jexster - 10/29/2007 1:04:53 PM
New University of Iowa poll shows Clinton/Obama in dead heat with Edwards sinking Huck's charging hard Arky. I like his chances. Send money
21028 . jexster - 10/29/2007 1:14:26 PM
Worst Congress Ever Another Republican retires. Tom Tancredo
21029 . wonkers2 - 10/29/2007 1:22:03 PM
Another asshole retires.
21030 . jexster - 10/29/2007 3:24:54 PM
I look for Bush to bomb Iran sometime next year between end of primaries and start of conventions. Horde gasoline Eurabia for Eurabians! Fearing Fear Itself By PAUL KRUGMAN In America’s darkest hour, Franklin Delano Roosevelt urged the nation not to succumb to “nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror.” But that was then. Today, many of the men who hope to be the next president — including all of the candidates with a significant chance of receiving the Republican nomination — have made unreasoning, unjustified terror the centerpiece of their campaigns. Consider, for a moment, the implications of the fact that Rudy Giuliani is taking foreign policy advice from Norman Podhoretz, who wants us to start bombing Iran “as soon as it is logistically possible.” Mr. Podhoretz, the editor of Commentary and a founding neoconservative, tells us that Iran is the “main center of the Islamofascist ideology against which we have been fighting since 9/11.” The Islamofascists, he tells us, are well on their way toward creating a world “shaped by their will and tailored to their wishes.” Indeed, “Already, some observers are warning that by the end of the 21st century the whole of Europe will be transformed into a place to which they give the name Eurabia.”
21031 . jexster - 10/29/2007 3:57:55 PM
Spot on John Edwards on Monday cast Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and her ties to lobbyists as part of a corrupt Washington system that voters should reject in the presidential election. Edwards railed against the "bankruptcy of our political leadership," an approach that his campaign said would be a major thrust of his efforts in the two months before the first nomination voting. With Clinton appearing to gain strength with every poll, Edwards seemed less to target Republican President Bush's leadership than to cast fellow Democrat Clinton as the insider whom voters should reject "This corruption did not begin yesterday — and it did not even begin with George Bush, although Lord knows it's been present while George Bush has been president," the 2004 vice presidential nominee said in a speech at St. Anselm College. "It has been building for decades until it now threatens literally the life of our democracy." "Senator Clinton's road to the middle class takes a major detour right through the deep canyon of corporate lobbyists and the hidden bidding of K Street in Washington," he said. "And history tells us that when that bus stops there, it is the middle class that loses."
21032 . wonkers2 - 10/29/2007 4:59:33 PM
U.S. government expenditures as a percentage of GDP 1950-2075. Congressional Budget Office projections
21033 . judithathome - 10/29/2007 7:08:21 PM
Horde gasoline And how the hell are we supposed to do THAT? Your advice is that of one who doesn't own a car and lives in a city with decent public transportation. Obviously.
21034 . jexster - 10/29/2007 7:15:00 PM
How about a septic tank in the back yard! 3-4 in the lower forty
21035 . wonkers2 - 10/29/2007 7:31:12 PM
The raving lunatic neocon Norman Podhoretz was on the Lehrer News hour tonight debating Fareed Zakaria over his recommendation that we strike Iran. He predicted that Bush will bomb Iran before he leaves office. Zakaria expressed doubt that Bush will strike Iran. He pointed to our successful policy of containment and deterance. Podhoretz compared Amadinejad to Hitler and Zakaria, et al, to Neville Chamberlain. Zakaria could have scored more points by mentioning that the GDP of Iran is about the same as that of Connecticut.
21036 . jexster - 10/29/2007 7:42:31 PM
Forget Podhoretz. Forget Jewliani. Forget Bush 2 dead bang indicators: 1. Putin waving the red flag at Bush 2. Hillary's triangulating again
21037 . jexster - 10/29/2007 9:00:07 PM
Banned by the Media Hillary Uncensored!
21038 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/30/2007 11:43:48 AM
"What I Stand For . . . in under 30 seconds . . ."
21039 . jexster - 10/30/2007 4:59:44 PM
Time to call a corrupt CWord a Corrupt CWord Edwars Focuses on Clinton's Lack of Integrity
21040 . jexster - 10/30/2007 8:29:08 PM
The Surge goes on GOP Official: Huck Has a 30% Chance of Winning Iowa I like the cut of his jib
21041 . jexster - 10/30/2007 9:28:46 PM
Democracy Corps Memo: National Pessism Worse Than 1992 Wait til the recession hits next year
21042 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/31/2007 1:25:54 AM
Happy Halloween!
21043 . Magoseph - 10/31/2007 5:58:25 AM
October 31, 2007--By David Ehrenstein: Obama's gospel mistake He can't have it both ways on gay issues in the black community.
21044 . jexster - 10/31/2007 12:49:50 PM
I didn't watch but did catch a bit of the debate in the corner store last night. A line from Biden Rudy Guiliani is the most unqualified person to run for President since George Bush. I mean listen to the man. A Guiliani sentence consists of a noun a verb and "911"
21045 . TheWizardOfWhimsy - 10/31/2007 12:51:26 PM
Kucinich's call for Bush's impeachment was another high point.
21046 . wonkers2 - 10/31/2007 1:02:25 PM
Kucinich is da man! Great Biden quote. I missed the debate.
21047 . Magoseph - 10/31/2007 1:08:02 PM
Talking about strong disapproval of Bush's tenure, how about this one? Rosa Brooks: Straitjacket Bush The president's warmongering r